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Game of Thrones Season 7 Trailer Released: The Great War Is (Finally) Here!

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The wait is finally over. In March we got a few teasers, with no real footage from season seven to speak of. In April, a batch of promotional photographs arrived, giving us an official early look at what’s coming. Just this week we saw what a big boy Drogon is now, and the definitive poster was revealed. But all that was just preamble. We were waiting for the real thing —aside from the show, that is: the trailer. And it’s finally here!

With the show returning for its seventh season in two months, a trailer had to come any day now. Traditionally, a first look would be released three months before the premiere, but that time is long past. Would we have to wait another month, like last year? Or would it be something in-between? Luckily, it turns out it was the latter. Here it is, folks!

Game of Thrones will not be back to our screens for another 53 days, so we still have plenty of time to scrutinize each frame of this trailer (We all do that, right? Riiight.) Naturally, you can expect our own shot-by-shot analysis of the trailer real soon!

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  8. Yara and Ellaria kissing- what?!

    I’m sincerely hoping those Arya shots are right before she sees Nymeria again. A girl can dream.

  11. Is that Jon grabbing Littlefinger’s throat in the crypts? And the Unsullied in Casterly Rock?

  12. UGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

    I was hoping we wouldn’t get one because I am not sure I want to watch! HAHA
    I want to be fully surprisedddddddddd
    ENJOY ALL.

    MAN I AM SO EXCITED

  13. The hype is real! Great trailer!

    I still have 29 episodes to rewatch. I hope I will manage to finish it in time!

  14. Dothraki invading casterly rock it looks like, Ellaria and Asha making out, Jon smashing Littlefinger against the wall of the crypt, Missandei and Greyworm!!!! So much info crammed in such a little space I love it!!!

  15. Finally.It looks great but as always with trailers I am a bit overwhelmed.Can’t wait to break it down.

  18. Dolorous Bread:
    Yara and Ellaria kissing- what?!

    Right???
    I guess sh realized if she didnT get someone on her side quick Tyrion would kill her For Myrcella…

  20. Opening the Castle Black wall gate for Bran, maybe? Love the adrenaline within the trailer!

  21. So hyped! Love that they use the “White Walker” theme instead of some indie music this time. Makes it seem that much bleaker.

    Can. Not. Wait.

  26. Yesss! finally! I’m amazed by all Dany related footage. Dragons look amazing, Dragonstone looks amazing, Tyrion looks amazing, Dothraki looks amazing.

  27. Lord Parramandas:
    GeekFurious,

    Well, then I’m glad I didn’t read the leaks.

    Yeah, but it is important some people did and can confirm the accuracy because you KNOW some troll will go around spoiling the season for people now.

  28. *gasp*

    This made my day! 🙂 The rest of the day and evening will be spent analyzing every micro-second. Life is good!

  30. GeekFurious

    Well, I never discuss GoT outside this page and the FB group I joined a week ago. So I now know I need to stay away from public sites. (FB official page, Youtube)

  31. GeekFurious,

    You essentially know how this season will play out. There, I corrected it for you.

    I kept myself away of big spoilers. It’s easy to do if you really try.

  33. Yaaaas! Trailer. So excited!

    I really can’t wait for that whole Jon scene in the crypt. All Jon scenes, really, but that one looks like it will be particularly good.

  36. FINALLY!!! Most action-heavy trailer we’ve ever gotten! Looks epic! Love the music! (I really need to calm down.) Enjoy, everyone!

  39. Melissa,

    Yes, I know. I’m not that much on this year as I try to be unspoiled and there is another (non-GoT) fansite where I’m an admin and it takes me a lot of my free time. When the show airs, I will be surely back to write my reviews and I occasionally check in to keep my hype up.

  40. Love the full-size map of Westeros on Cersei’s floor.

    [Leaks discussion]

    Well, that shot of Jon attacking Littlefinger would seem to bolster the cause of the supposed Lads2, who said that was going to be what the scene in the crypts was.

  42. Wow!!! Amazing! I have stayed away from news about production so this was just so wonderful to see…especially since I’m stuck at the airport with a delayed flight. Definitely changed the mood!

  44. HOLY HELL FIRE, DROGON!!!
    *FAN GIRL SQUUEEE*
    So damn HYPE!!! I don’t know where to start!!!
    I’m completely mind blown!!!
    Loving this trailer… one of the best ones imo!!!.. and I absolutely love Dany’s new thrown!!! Gahh!!
    What is the red woman looking down on?. Ayra exhales out the ‘cold mist’ and that makes me nervous. I think Tyrion is a Lannister who “still counts” and will prove it this season too! Love Jons, “the great war” commentary…. mmm. Huurryy uppp GoT!!! The wait is Killer!!!

    Damn, this just made my day, hell, WEEK!!! Thanks WotW!!!

    I screamed when I saw this, but that didn’t work well with Laryngitis!!! Lol

  47. Sean C.: Love the full-size map of Westeros on Cersei’s floor.

    Yeah, straight from the Lands of Ice & Fire map collection!

    Cersei’s east/west/north/south speech is similar in tone to Dany’s “break the wheel” speech from S5. Cersei the player!

  49. First those photographs, and then the night king poster, and now this trailer? Best week EVER!!!

  50. The trailer feels a bit short. Maybe it is because of all the anticipation and the long wait, but I feel a bit underwhelmed. There was not a lot of Jon and Tyrion or any White Walkers within this trailer.

    I do wonder why Jon grabs Littlefinger around the throat, within the crypts.

    Funny to see Ellaria and Yara kissing. An interesting shot was the wight hand reaching through a peephole.

    That wight hand is obviously from a wight within in a crate, it is the wight that Jon and co captures for the Dragonpit.

  51. Wow didn’t expect the Ellaria and Sansa scene near the end, or is that Yara? Probably Yara more realistically.

  52. Selena:
    Jon making Littlefinger his bitch is life right now…i am gonna loooove that scene

    TOTALLY agree with you on that one!!!!

  53. AAAA! I’m so hyped! It all just looks so great! And Dany finally touching Westeros! My favourite part is Jon slamming LF against the wall just like Ned did in season 1. The feels, the joy!

    But the biggest mystery for me is what the hell is Arya doing peeking under a bed or something? What is she looking for? 😀

  54. For those with better eyesight than me, at 1:23 someone throws a Lannister piece on a wooden table (Tyrion in Dragonstone?) before the two persons drop into the water. Is that “CAS” carved in front of the piece?

  56. Interesting that they feature The Night King on the poster, but nowhere in the trailer. It’s a very ominous feeling.

  58. Why is Ellaria Sand kissing Yara Greyjoy, shoving her hand down her pants?

  59. I don’t mind it being a short trailer because I don’t want to be spoiled (anymore than I already am). I watched the clip on YouTube before coming here and there were already some naysayers. Still, as they say you can never please all the people all of the time.

  62. The Dragon Demands continues the pattern of posting only complaints in the comments…

  64. The hype is fucking real. Snow grabbing littlefinger and slamming his head down in the crypts…omg!!

  65. Sean C.:

    Well, that shot of Jon attacking Littlefinger would seem to bolster the cause of the supposed Lads2, who said that was going to be what the scene in the crypts was.
    Lads2 is a complete joke, he/ she has been contradicted with many of the actual leaks and other information. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

  66. Now I/we just need a screen play by play bc rewatching over and over makes it hard to focus on the minor details, locations, backgrounds etc…..

  68. GET HYPE!!!!!!!!!

    BOOOOOOOOOOOM

    So good that trailer!!

    – Davos talking to Cersei and Jamie at the start?
    – JS chokehold on LF
    – Yara and Ellaria xxx
    – Lannisters getting pummeled in many a scene then the lion getting knocked over
    – is that jorah’s hand reaching through hatch?

    Looks to be some epic battles at Sea and on Land – no wights though and need to know what the plan is for Arya

    Brilliant!!

  71. The amount of people lumping in together Lads’ leaks and the info from WOTW as if it all came from him… Really annoying.

  72. Great trailer, I’m really pleased. Happy to see Mel! Davis always gets such great lines. I want a map on my floor. Whoooo.

  74. Nice! Looking forward to the breakdown.

    Where’s Bran and the White Walkers though?

  76. What was the scene just before littlefinger and Jon (The King In The North) looks like people running in an alley at night.

  77. LEAKS:

    We saw the big ship Battle
    Dany landing on Dragonstone for the first time
    The field of Fire 2
    The epic Weight Hunt beyond the wall with the Fellowship 2.0 XD
    Mel at dragons tone
    Arya probably before she meets Her Wolf again
    Some sweet yara/sand snake action
    Jon vs Little finger
    Sacking casterly Rock
    The Mountain in his new armor…..

    God can this show stop looking so fukin brilliant, it looks more Beautiful then last season!!!!!
    I can see the budget didn’t go to waste 🙂

  78. Ha!!!!
    I was right, I kept saying a Trailer would appear on the week of my Birthday!!!
    But they released it when I was on a crowded train underground……
    The God’s of cruel…….

  79. OMG….It looks like Littlefinger knew about Jon’s true parentage. Could it be the reason why Jon attacks him in the crypt in front of Lyanna Statue?

  82. I going to watch this about a hundred more times…..
    And Now our Watch begins my friends.

  88. Ryan,

    The new giant black armored knight is… the old giant golden armored knight.

    The Kingsguard are sporting a new black and silver armor this year.

  89. WAH!!!!!!! I’ve been lurking since the airing of s6 episode 1 just waiting for this trailer to finally come out.. Now it’s here!!! SO FUCKIN FANTASTIC!!!

  90. Cersei has changed as much as Jamie has changed…

    in opposite directions…

    Cersie more evil than ever and Jamie is more stable

  91. When she says enemies to the west is that Eurons ship and enemies to the south who is sharpening the sword?

  93. Ryan:
    Who is the new giant black armored knight?????

    Ser Gregor has emerged a new man (?) after his night with Septa Unella.

  94. I am impressed with all the work D&D and company put into making Game of Thrones beyond Epic

  95. At 1:05, I think that is Gendry to the right with the warhammer that he was using in the leaked photos, he’s apart of the wight hunt squad!

  96. Boudica,

    Do you mean the arm that reaches out of the wooden door’s little window?

    I don’t think that is a wight. It looks way more like greyscale. Im pretty sure it’s Jorah’s arm and he’s locked in a jail cell (quarantined at the citadel?).

  98. Sean C.:

    Well he was right twice in this trailer, both the Jon and Littlefinger scene and Yara/Ellaria.
    Wasn’t the whole Yara and Ellaria thing also said by someone else? I think was another leaker at the same time as lads from 4chan who said something about it. But generally this was very, very, very predictable Ellaria bisexual and Yara is a lesbian, of course this was going to happen if the spent time together. Lads2 might have heard some things, but a lot of his/her stuff were also completely farfetched, and contradicted Lads1.

  101. I think Littlefinger is the one who is standing in front of Cersei and Jaime in the throneroom

  103. HyberNate:

    I don’t think that is a wight. It looks way more like greyscale. Im pretty sure it’s Jorah’s arm and he’s locked in a jail cell (quarantined at the citadel?).
    Yes it could also be greyscale. It could be Jorah under quarantine, that would also make a lot of sense. To me it looked like the flesh was rotting off the arm, but I did not look at it that intensely so it might be the greyscale.

  106. wait is finally over…trailer itself is so fast paced…epic
    and btw not a single scene of BRAN, the three-eyed-raven…he holds key to so many things

  109. Amazing trailer!!! So hyped!!

    Is that a wight hand or Jorahs?

    Also- no Bran/Meera/Brienne/Pod/Euron/Sam/Gilly/Sandor/Jorah or the WWs.

    There must be an even longer trailer yet to come surely?

    Can’t wait for the screencap breakdown 😊

  111. Oh my god!! Help help help !

    I love this show. Drogon <3
    Guys look how many Dothraki woahhh wtf wow help help

  118. Jenns:
    Interesting that they feature The Night King on the poster, but nowhere in the trailer.It’s a very ominous feeling.

    This are exactly my thoughts, and why I think that the marketing should have been more focused on Dany sailing to Westeros than on the Night king.

  119. Love the trailer! The Dothraki, especially, were looking good to me.

    I adore Cersei. Yeah, enemies all around, and may she win for a little while, anyway, and may her winning seem more believable than perfunctory.

    I love Arya, alone, as Cersei’s enemy to the north. Hope she finds her wolf and goes her own way a while before heading to Winterfell.

    Cersei with Tyrion looking at map…interesting.

    Why is Jon attacking Littlefinger? Can’t be because he found out what he did to Ned, or he’d just run him through.

    …and which castle is being attacked first? It’s got the Lannister lion, but I can’t recognize it. Also who are the men attacking it? Very cool helmets.

    Whose forearm-hand? I’d say Jorah, but that’s not what greyscale looks like. I think.

  121. Connor:
    Apollo,

    You can see Jorah’s greyscale arm at 1:19, you can also see Brienne on Jon’s left at :51.

    Yup! what do you think Jorah is trying to reach? that shot got me intrigued

  122. The look of this season is different than previous seasons, not a bad thing at all, it looks amazing!

  124. Lord Parramandas: When the show airs, I will be surely back to write my reviews and I occasionally check in to keep my hype up.

    Glad to hear that, Lord. You have offered some good insights into things. Nice to know you will be here.

    I haven’t been on here regularly because of a lot of personal stuff, but check in at least once daily to see if the trailer had dropped … what a good day today will be. This one really raised goose-bumps of anticipation. OMG can’t wait for one of this wonderful group of fans to go frame by frame and tell me wtf I just saw. There is so MUCH! I missed the Yara kiss, got to go back to see that. I KNEW Melisandre would be back, one way or another. That lady isn’t going softly into any good night, or Good Knight as the case may be. She’s full throttle until the day she does actually die. The King in the North – YAY Jon, knock some sense into these people. And, for those who think that Cersei isn’t going to last, I don’t know, she looks pretty level-headed and even more determined, if that’s possible. HOORAH!

  125. That’s a guest appearance by Jorah’s arm, it’s blackened/cracked up the forearm and that is his hand. Hi, babe! 😂

    Props to random dead Lannister soldier at 0:47 Who can now claim to his buddies that he was in the trailer.

  127. Sean C.:

    [Leaks discussion]

    Leaks:

    oh no god please no!! I have no hopes from the next season if Lads2 turns out to be legit

  129. We will no doubt have another trailer soon, maybe mid-june, and we might get a shot of the Night King, I wonder if the guy from Season 6 is playing the Night King again this season.

  130. Greenjones: ABYSS! I SUMMON THEE AND THY GIF-MAKING PROWESS!

    Is that how it’s done? I need that break-down, there was so much to take in.
    Well then:
    ABYSS! I SUMMON THEE AND THY GIF-MAKING PROWESS!

  131. I’m kind of disappointed. Too much Cersei, not enough Jon Snow. Hopefully they’ll make another, longer one that’s more thrilling.

  132. …oh, also love the Night King on the poster, with the battles among humans in the trailer, juxtaposed against Davos’s wise words.

  133. SO excited to see Mel at Dragonstone! Hopefully she can stay out of Jon’s sight. I can’t wait to see what Dany thinks of her.

  135. Connor: I have no idea, but I am intrigued as well!

    Also, pretty excited to know what is Arya up to! I don’t know anything about her plot this season (I just readed the film spoilers, not the leak)

  136. Littlefinger is no doubt talking to Jon in this trailer, not Sansa, like it’s trying to convince us. Trying to get on his good side but clearly backfires lmao.

  137. ghost of winterfell:

    oh no god please no!! I have no hopes from the next season if Lads2 turns out to be legit
    Lads2 might have some information or made some guesses. Some things like Ellaria and Yara was very obvious.

    But if Lads2 is 100% right then this whole story/ show would be completely fucked over.

  138. I just realized we got no Bran. 🙁 Poor thing, he never gets heavily featured on promotion…

  139. maria: Why is Jon attacking Littlefinger? Can’t be because he found out what he did to Ned, or he’d just run him through.

    My bet is that LF probably made some snide comment about Jon being KitN. Maybe Sansa told Jon about how LF is trying to turn her, or how LF wants to be king. Or Jon is still amazingly pissed about LF selling Sansa to the Boltons. Or just because he doesn’t like LF’s smirking face. Any of the above will do, don’t you think?

  141. Pretty sure That’s Euron with his hostages behind him standing in front of Cersei and Jaime. Cersei’s reaction is what I’d expect from seeing

    Myrcella’s murderers.

  142. Boudica,

    Leaks:

    I don’t know how anyone could have correctly guessed Jon confronting LF in the crypts. I think this proves he is legit. And I now have no more hopes from Season 7.

  143. Connor:
    Littlefinger is no doubt talking to Jon in this trailer, not Sansa, like it’s trying to convince us. Trying to get on his good side but clearly backfires lmao.

    Pretty sure you’re right!

  144. Vincent Stark: I just realized we got no Bran. 🙁 Poor thing, he never gets heavily featured on promotion…

    Season 6 trailer was the : The past is already written, the ink is dry. The very last pic was of Bran going into a trance. But yeah, I’m wondering why he’s not in this one. I can’t remember if the “ink is dry” trailer was the first or last of the trailers, so maybe there IS going to be a more detailed one, showing some of the MIA, especially Bran.

    But this one, OMG >>> this trailer ramped up my expectations, just when they were getting dangerously low and wistfulness was about to set in. So Thank Goodness and HBO and WotW for this today.

  145. I suspect this site is going to be busy this evening!

    My first reaction was underwhelemed, it’s almost all stuff f from the spoilers and a fair chunk I assume from episode 1. such as Dany on Dragonstone and the Winterfell/Kings Landing discussions

  147. Lord Parramandas,

    awww thanks
    I guess I wanted o be surprised in what I see… but I think I may cave and watch. will see how long I last lol

    I have so much emotions these days with the nhl playoffs and all this teasing GOT has done… insanity – there is only so much my heart can handle hahaha

    I think I a should limit the amount of comments I read, feel like people are talking spoilers freely.

  148. ghost of winterfell:

    I don’t know how anyone could have correctly guessed Jon confronting LF in the crypts. I think this proves he is legit. And I now have no more hopes from Season 7.
    It wouldn’t just ruin season 7, it would ruin the whole story. As I said Lads2 might know some things but I also recall that there were some contradictions with Lads1,
    although I cant recall exactly what they were.

  150. The trailer was really awesome, showed a lot, but also didn’t give a lot away.
    a lot to get hyped about, hope we see some new Valryrian steel swords in season 7 😀

  152. of course people have to talk about those leaks in here
    my idiot self included, even though I was only stupid enough to mention the spoilers and not block it XD
    the Leak talks got annoying over the long wait last year.

  153. This was everything I wanted in a trailer. Exciting, enticing, intriguing, doesn’t give much away, and spectacular. Good work HBO.

  154. Hodors Bastard: Ser Gregor has emerged a new man (?) after his night with Septa Unella.

    Speaking of did you see her nasty looking arm coming thru the hole in the door? Or at least it would seem that is her arm.

  155. Sweeeeeeet. Very exciting, high energy initial trailer. Jorah’s petrifying hand! Arya lookin all wintery. Mel casting a melancholy shadow. July will be here in no time.

    Now I better go watch a few more times….

    STOKED

  157. I thought the arm was Edmure but I’ll need to wait for the stills.

    When I saw the gate at the wall open I assumed Bran’s arrival.

  159. Dee Stark,

    It’s mostly action scenes and characters saying lines. If you stayed away from spoilers, I think this trailer cannot spoil anything for you. I was away for most of the time and I’m in dark as well. And in my case, watching the trailer keeps my hype up. I’m already more of a mess this year when it comes to GoT…

  162. The Dragon Demands,

    ‘Cause kinky lesbian shit between the allied forces is exactly the sort of thing D&D would throw in. People are gonna love it, I’m sure. I just hope the dialogue for Ellaria isn’t too cringey this year. In any case, Gemma Whelan could make sexual tension with anyone believable.

  163. Dee Stark:
    Matthew The Dragon knight,

    Do we know if they can still make Valyrian steel swords?

    #nospoilers

    The secrets to making valryrian steel are lost, but i’m hoping sam finds more info out while studying 🙂
    besides there are a ton of Valryrian steel in Westeros, most of the Great houses have them 🙂

  164. Dee Stark,

    Haha, and maybe we should make a forum thread for us who’ve been kept in dark for all year. (Although I see the forums are down at the moment).

  166. Finally going to get a good look at Casterly Rock and Dragonstone. So ready for this!

    The North Remembers!!

  168. ghost of winterfell,

    We should prepare ourselves. This is what I’ve been doing since

    those lads2 leaks/script pages came out. RIP Jon, Bran and Arya’s character development.

    Jack Bauer 24,

    Maybe…. It has to be some iron born ship, since the Iron Islands are in the west. Hopefully we’ll get a better look at the ship in the second trailer.

  170. I was excited by everything, but that Grey Worm-Missandei take is like Yeaaaahhhh

  172. Lord Parramandas,

    Okay good to know. I think I will cave soon.

    haha we do need our own thread, one where we can discuss the trailer without discussing spoilers.. so almost like the unsullied recap thread. @ozofthrones

  173. Dee Stark,

    No. There are people who know how to reforge it, as you saw in season 4 episode 1. But the secret to making VS is lost.

  175. Surprised the servers are handling the traffic. Mods must have worked hard <3

  177. Sweet Jesus, the goosebumps I got from this will stick with me for the rest of the day!

  180. Apollo,

    We see Brienne and Pod in the room with Jon snow after they say ‘King in the North’ also that’s 100% Jorah’s arm with greyscale on it.

  184. Apollo,

    Brienne was in the corner of one of the shots with Sansa and Jon in the Winterell hall! So I guess Brienne gets back quickly before Jon goes on other adventures. Which is great

  185. Arya Serious: speaking of did you see her nasty looking arm coming thru the hole in the door? Or at least it would seem that is her arm.

    I can hardly imagine what the “Ser Gregor treatment” must have been like for our favorite show-Septa. Ugghh. But I’m with others here in thinking that we have seen Jorah’s diseased arm. Is it reaching for something or is it going to be treated?

  187. ElEisandFire,

    Same. They just won’t let go of those two will they. Let us all remember that Grey Worm x Missandei began in Season 4. It’s basically the longest running romance in the series at this point. Let’s all let that sink in for a moment.

  191. Markus Stark:
    ElEisandFire,

    Same. They just won’t let go of those two will they. Let us all remember that Grey Worm x Missandei began in Season 4. It’s basically the longest running romance in the series at this point. Let’s all let that sink in for a moment.

    Sam and Gilly would object to that statement.

  192. Dee Stark,

    Also, Dee. It’s more than a month and a half till S7. If you watch the trailer now, I feel it would give you enough hype for it and unless you keep rewatching it, you probably wont’ remember every single shot.

  194. Anyone else agree that the cinematography and production value looks to be at an all time high? So many striking images stuffed into one trailer. I’m suddenly glad they reduced the episode count this season.

    Also very disappointed to hear that the leaks are apparently true. I was unfortunately accidentally spoiled regarding a few big things already then.

  201. Brennan,

    Yeah, the production values are off the charts. I have no clue how they can afford it, even with the shortened season. It’s crazy.

    Agree about the leaks. I was basically spoiled on most significant events right up to the finale. The trailer does appear to confirm some of those leaks. I’m still holding out hope that there will be a few surprises, and in any case I’ll enjoy seeing it play out, just as I enjoyed the previous seasons despite being a book reader.

    For the final season though, I think I’m just going to completely avoid any and all GoT related sites, forums, and YouTube channels. It’ll be extremely hard, but desperate times require desperate measures. I really want to enjoy at least one season without knowing the outcome.

  202. This trailer is SO AMAZING..probably the best one yet, everything is epic!

    “I WAS BORN TO RULE THE SEVEN KINGDONS..AND I WILL”. The battle scene looks iconic, i’m already shaking

    i’m so ready to Arya and Nymeria reunion i will cry my balls out..

    also, yes jon, kick the LF snake ass!!

  205. Flayed Potatoes,

    Maybe Casterly Rock, since the Unsullied will probably attack using Tyrion’s knowledge of the secret tunnels. But they don’t look like Unsullied, so it might be people trying to escape?

  207. Back after a long absence for this trailer.
    WOW! I’m really impatient for this season!
    Things I freaked out about the most
    Jon pushing LF IN THE CRYPTS
    “Enemies to the North” Just Arya on screen when Cersei says this. Still clinging to my gut feeling that Arya is going to finish her list.
    Seriously who the heck is Ellaria kissing, and I hope it’s in the first episode right before someone kills her because I’m not a sand snake fan.
    GENDRY!!! (or his hammer-but still counts)
    Also Davos, once again saying what everyone is thinking about it not mattering whose skeleton sits on the iron throne if people don’t get their sh*t together.

    Hoping for reunions of
    Arya and Gendry
    Arya and Nymeria
    Arya and the Hound
    Hound and Sansa
    Jon and Tyrion
    Dany and Jorah
    (also hoping that this will finally be the season Jaime remembers his character arc and quits his crazy sister to join the great war with Brienne and Jon and that Meera finally gets a warm place to sleep and some stew or something-because she’s a hero.)

  209. Saw some screen grabs on twitter, it looks like Dany’s hair is silveryish/whiter like it was in earlier seasons?

  210. Apollo,

    For sure. I think at least 1 more full trailer in june, and a few more teasers in the beginning of July.

  211. I’m really hoping that the shot of Arya at 1:03 is her feeling/sensing/connecting with Nymeria. In a split second it’s hard to tell but her horse in the background looks like it’s upset like it could be smelling wolves. <– Well no, it doesn’t really but that's my hopeful thinking anyway. 🙂

  213. Apollo:
    Amazing trailer!!! So hyped!!

    Is that a wight hand or Jorahs?

    Also- no Bran/Meera/Brienne/Pod/Euron/Sam/Gilly/Sandor/Jorah or the WWs.

    There must be an even longer trailer yet to come surely?

    Can’t wait for the screencap breakdown 😊

    Brienne is in the KitN scene and Euron is standing in from of Cersei and Jaime in one scene.

  214. Dee Stark,

    I always took it(from the books side) u needed dragon fire to forge it and dragons were lost to the world. New dragons who knows..?

  216. WOW WOW WOW!

    How sick do the dothraki look going into battle????
    Seriously, did everyone note the way they’re going into standing position on their horses?!

    Also, it’s fitting that Cersei would be standin atop of the world 🙂

  219. Thronetender,

    Very true. btw the Vale army is still North, and is (I think) the only viable army left up there. Who is keeping them there? Littlefinger? Sansa? Not Jon; he’s a kitten, not king of the Vale.

  220. ramses,

    Bloody Awesome
    “Only a Fool would meet Dothraki in open Combat”
    Everything they’ve ever hyped us up about is coming true.

  221. Soooo exciting! I just loved the scene where the Dothraki jumped and stood atop their horses. Brilliant! And Arya, so good to have her back in Westeros. I hope the song she hears in the inn (Ed Sheeran’s song) is about the new king, the White Wolf. And Melissandre back at Dragonstone! Why wouldn’t she go there, it is so obvious in hindsight. She’ll be meeting Dany and then Davos might chase her off again 🙂
    Caterly Rock invaded by unsullied. Yesss, this is great! I feel very satisfied and can concentrate on exams and wait for episode one now 🙂

  222. Matthew The Dragon knight,

    Anon,

    I think the most we’ve seen of the Dothraki riding into battle was last season when they attacked the Sons of the Harpy.

    Judging from these few shots I think we can expect a lot more intense Dothraki warfare!! All the better they won’t be led by Daario 2.0 this time 🙂

  223. I think the two people in the water are someone and Dany. In one frame you can see her long silver braid.

  227. Also think that the scene at 1:16 is people running down a gangplank onto a ship. John and Davos maybe? You can see the water under them.

  228. ramses:
    Matthew The Dragon knight,

    “Only a Fool would meet Dothraki in open Combat”
    …

    Whoever said it, I’m not sure if it still works. On Essos they were incapable of dealing with walled cities, fortresses. On Westeros, they are allied with traditional armies, and led by people familiar with all those things. Also, using walls as defense is useless, with Dany’s dragons backing them.

    Dany is unbeatable at this point. Only ones who can keep her from winning immediately are Dany and her advisers.

  229. ramses,

    I think it was Jorah
    Robert said
    If the Targaryen boy invades with an Army of Dothraki, we won’t be able to stop them”
    I think, i’ll look for a video, just to make sure XD

  231. Also Gendry at 1:05 in the Trailer, he’s in the circle with the War hammer.

  233. I don’t think that’s completely true. There is not a “ton” of Valyrian steel in Westeros nor do most great houses have one. The Lannisters didn’t even get theirs until they melted down Ned’s.

    The show references 5 total (Oathbreaker, Widow’s Wail, Longclaw, Heartsbane, and the dagger used by Bran’s would-be assassin) and it is always noted how rare they are.

    Matthew The Dragon knight: The secrets to making valryrian steel are lost, but i’m hoping sam finds more info out while studying 🙂
    besides there are a ton of Valryrian steel in Westeros, most of the Great houses have them 🙂

  235. That’s Jorah’s arm coming through the door as it’s covered in grey scale.

    Also watching the trailer in slow mo I see the following:
    * Dany arriving at Dragonstone and Mel watching her arrival, this must be episode 1 so we can discount an Arya/Mel meet or murder.
    * Lannisters are talking with Tycho as reported by this site (not in the spoilers)
    * Jon grabbing Littlefinger, which wasn’t in the spoilers either.
    * Yara and Ellaria kissing
    * There is a scene of a battle at sea where people are boarding another ship, there is a shield on the ship being boarded which looks like a Kraken but I could be wrong, anyone confirm the sidual?

    No Sam, Gilly, Varys, Bronn or Bran in the trailer…

  236. Shh, some of us have managed to elude the leaks so far ;).

    GeekFurious:
    Every believable leak confirmed. We essentially know how this season will play out.

  241. Markus Stark,
    And Robert was just talking about 40,000 Dothraki “screamers,” not ALL of the Dothraki warriors, and an army of Unsullied and three large dragons. As we all discussed after last season ended, realistically Cersei would have zero chance even with Euron (especially with book numbers adhered to). They had to come up with some way to make it more of an even fight. I have a feeling they’ll do that in some fashion. I imagine fans such as myself that just want to see Cersei crushed are going to get frustrated at times.

  243. So much hype!!!!! Awsome trailer!

    Jon grabbing Littlefinger by the throat mirrors the season 1 episode 3 scene where Ned grabs LF at the entrance of his brothel. This scene brings me a strange amount of pleasure.
    I am very intrigued by the two people falling in the water towards the end, I dont know why I feel they are Jon & Dany.

  244. Summer Child,

    Maybe it’s not that complicated. Maybe LF just says Sansa is the only trueborn Stark alive and should be the Queen in the north. I guess Bran will do the reveal, something has to happen with Bran discovering things.

  246. Jon Snowed,

    OH What a good catch! I was wondering who Cersei was talking to in the throne room that made her so angry.. it’s def Tycho or someone from the Iron Bank.

  247. I watched it in slomo and it’s not a tunnel but a bridge between ships, someone is forcibly boarding another – there is a sigil on one of the shields which I think is Iron Born but I’m not 100%.

  248. I cringed so badly at that Dany line, just like breaking the wheel one, we all know she will never rule the seven kingdoms but they are going over kill to set up the disappointment.

  250. Alexis,

    You are correct in that there isn’t “a ton” of Valyrian steel in Westeros, but incorrect in your assertion that most great houses don’t have a greatsword. The Lannisters are actually notable for not having one; theirs was lost during one of the rebellions far predating what we see on screen.

    This comes up in the books, but has never been explained on the show. In the books it’s one of the things that really grates on Tywin: There are far smaller and less wealthy houses that have greatswords, and they’re so loath to part with them that Tywin can’t even buy one from a lesser house.

  251. Wolfish,

    I know one of the houses In the vale has one Lady Forlorn, so would be fun if it gets a mention in the show.

  254. Flayed Potatoes,

    it`s not a tunnel. look at the water around them. and I`m sure that I saw a Greyjoy shield in the right
    also another weird thing! I think I see black fish in that scene. running with other soldiers. notice the armor and color of his hair. anyone agrees? It`s really crazy I know that :))

  258. LadySnow,

    Yes, I know. I was simply clarifying that it was untrue that the Lannisters had never had a greatsword before the reforging of Ice.

  259. LadySnow:
    Boudica,

    No I think it’s Jorahs hand! Look closer, you can see the greyscale.

    Yes, I looked at it again and it is the greyscale. It looks pretty bad.

  260. Wolfish,

    I believe Ned Brought it back to starfall, Valyrian steel is really important in the show. SO I really hope we learn a lot about it this season, maybe even see some new blades.

  262. Yeah, its fucking spectacular! I wouldn’t have expected anything less 😀

    Drogon flying over the battle scene is awesome and love Ser Davos’ comment “It doesn’t matter whose skeleton is sitting on the Iron Throne!”

    Nothing much more really to say at this time, only that I can see some serious ‘Ass kicking’ coming up in S7 and it will be probably be Cersei’s butt 😉

  263. I’m wondering if Jorah will get the Victarion cure? That greyscale looks blackened.

    One of the shots of Arya building the fire approaching from behind her… looks like the POV of a wolf (pleasepleaseplease)

  264. I really like when Cersei says “enemies to the north” and it doesn’t show Jon or the northmen or something else to signify them, but simply Arya riding a horse.

  265. Matthew The Dragon knight,

    Oh, yes. I am really, really, really looking forward to seeing new blades! Jorah and the Hound both need some Valyrian steel, dammit.

    I knew Ned had returned Ser Arthur’s remains to Ashara at Starfall, but know about nothing else beyond her suicide. Is anyone even there, or is Starfall falling into ruin? (I just got A World of Ice and Fire, but I haven’t read it yet and don’t know if there are any “current-day” references in it.)

    On another note… My only real disappointment with the trailer is the lack of Bran. I can understand why they didn’t show (or clearly show) a number of characters including Varys, Jorah, Brienne, and the Hound, but it seems odd to not show Bran.

  267. Boy! Well Carice van Houten is the one who posts enigmatic pics, but this year no sneaky peaks and she stayed off the Belfast streets. Just a fluke or they wanted this to be a surprise? Not sure why.

  268. Busy watching the Europa League Final (congrats United), so only just seen this, but absolutely love it!!! Everything looks so cinematic and brilliant. I had a feeling HBO were setting up something with the promotional pictures and the poster, but I thought we would be waiting another week until the trailer, so this is a pleasant surprise.

    I’m just going to ignore the tedious moaning (of all sorts) from the usual suspects. This trailer is what we have all been waiting for the past few months; now the real wait begins for the premiere!

  269. Clob,

    “I really like when Cersei says “enemies to the north” and it doesn’t show Jon or the northmen or something else to signify them, but simply Arya riding a horse.”

    Yeah. They’re really needling us with that one.

  270. Yep, that was pretty good.

    I see why D&D needed all those extra millions from HBO! LOL

    Without a doubt, even with the reduced episode count, seasons 7 & 8 will likely be the most expensive seasons in the History of television production.

    Kudos to whomever cut that trailer; that was very well put together.

    Can’t wait!
    Yep, Jon. The Great War is here (almost).

  273. Who do you guys think will be the new standout Director of the Season ?

  274. All of this talk from Dany about being born to rule and about being rightful ruler, is going to be very interesting when they discover that Jon is actually the rightful ruler.

  275. Boojam,

    Maybe it’s because Carice just had a baby. I don’t think she has filmed a lot this year, probably only some crucial scenes.

  278. By the Old Gods and the New, that was a surprise! I’m happy we’ve got a trailer and a good one! I’m hoping to see it dissected frame by frame soon.
    And, of course, Abyss, I summon thee!
    And happy birthday, people who celebrate this week! Good present, isn’t it?

  280. Arya setting up camp. Then she breathes off some steam and has a surprised look on her face… You just know Nymeria is approaching… This is definitely gonna be an epic season.

    Also is that Littlefinger lurking in the shadows??? Is it the Winterfell crypts? Is it the same scene with Jon?

  282. Boudica:

    I fully expect the leaks to be 100% accurate. Everything that we know has confirmed them so far, and they came out well before we had a single photograph or video from the season, so I see no reason to doubt them. As Nicolaj himself said: “It’s all out there”
    If you don’t like them…well…That’s too bad, I guess.

  284. F Stark:
    Flayed Potatoes,

    it`s not a tunnel. look at the water around them. and I`m sure that I saw a Greyjoy shield in the right
    also another weird thing! I think I see black fish in that scene. running with other soldiers. notice the armor and color of his hair. anyone agrees? It`s really crazy I know that :))

    Blackfish is dead?

  285. Can someone tell me about this Jon & Littlefinger leak? I don’t remember that one. Thanks in advance.

  286. The leaks seem to be mostly right, the trailer and cinematography look amazing…I just can’t wait.

  287. Great Trailer :o)

    … Slowing it down, I got intrigued by that tattered hand coming thru the portal and rather than putting it down to a wight’s appendage… It looks more like a case of severe “Greyscale” !! ??

    … I wondering if a Greyscale epidemic is an important event/worry in this season..???

  288. Clob:
    Markus Stark,
    And Robert was just talking about 40,000 Dothraki “screamers,” not ALL of the Dothraki warriors, and an army of Unsullied and three large dragons.As we all discussed after last season ended, realistically Cersei would have zero chance even with Euron (especially with book numbers adhered to).

    And the armies of Dorne and Highgarden, plus some fraction of the Greyjoy fleet, and whatever portion of the Volantene soldiers might have stuck with them after the slavers were defeated.

    The only realistic way the Lannisters and their remaining armies aren’t totally slaughtered within a few weeks is some combination of Cersei threatening to nuke King’s Landing using the remaining planted wildfire and Jon/Davos convincing Daenerys and Tyrion they badly need all the humans they can get for the Great War and can’t afford to be killing each other.

  289. Dee Stark,

    Yes it is, you can tell in the long walk promo as well how much more closer to silver it is. Obviously the bigger budget helped them get Dany a amazing wig.
    I actually heard that the designers were putting a yellow chemical in her hair in past seasons to show the dessert was damaging her hairfor more realism lol

  291. I am unhappy about the leaks. There is one part in particular that makes zero sense to me that seems to be shown in the trailer:

    when they go on a wight hunt. I mean… why? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they were trying to grab that dragon glass Jon dropped or if the wall had fallen down and that was actually ruined Winterfell.. I mean all of those make more sense than hunting for a wight. And the whole dragonpit seems dumb too.

    I am hoping that Lads just was a got employee purposely leading people off course

  294. Gina,

    Oh, you don’t need to apologize to me. (But thank you!)

    Just trying to keep Dee Stark safely Unsullied. 😉

  295. Finally watched the trailer I just woke up in Australia finding out the trailer had been released hours ago lol.
    The Trailer was awesome, I wanted more.
    That scene with the Dothraki Horde running and Drogon flying above was pretty damn epic.
    Dany looks so good, it was a pleasant surprise that the dark colors actually make her eyes stand out more. When she touched the ground with that tender expression it was so emotional, she finally has a home. I have my fingers crossed for more tender Dany moments as they are my favorite of hers.
    I was a little disappointed with Ellaria and Yara making out, after the hot as sin chemistry I saw last season between Dany and Yara I was hoping they would hook up.
    Everyone looks so amazing, Jon once again showing how much like Ned he is I love it. Arya looked incredible, Whenever I see Sansa though I just see that wig 🙁
    I think this sight might be right about Grey Worm and the Unsullied taking Casterly Rock which means there is a good chance Grey Worm won’t die this season but perhaps have a bit of a absence.

  296. Tiny Direwolf:
    I’m wondering if Jorah will get the Victarion cure? That greyscale looks blackened.

    One of the shots of Arya building the fire approaching from behind her… looks like the POV of a wolf (pleasepleaseplease)

    I’ve been wondering if he’d be Joraconningtarion for awhile now, since he already did the Tyrion-saving/greyscale-contracting part of Jon Connington, but the Victarion cure involved red magic, so hmmm. Provided he’s cured, I’m ok either way! 😉

  298. Mel,

    “I actually heard that the designers were putting a yellow chemical in her hair in past seasons to show the dessert was damaging her hairfor more realism lol”

    I want this to be true! This sort of attention to detail fulfills me.

  299. Pigeon: I’ve been wondering if he’d be Joraconningtarion for awhile now 😉

    Joraconningtarion…LOL

    Well…he might be, actually.

  302. Cersei poses a problem for me this season.

    She is clearly a good villain and probably the only one left – the Night King is more of a thing than a flesh and blood villain.

    The problem is that no matter how you shake things up, The Lannister/ Euron alliance is massively outgunned. Yes, they could pull a few surprises out of the bag I’m sure, but in the end, they are surrounded on all sides by hostiles who have more reason to work together against her than against her.

    In the absence of a ‘thing’ (dragonbinders – which might show its face but I’m having my doubts now) then you risk sacrificing credibility for fan service. Small victories at sea, hostage taking, etc etc, are all very impressive in the end. I hear we’ll see the Lannister employ and scorpion to even the odds with the dragons but this itself either seems implausible or downright insulting when you consider the sheer power these animals are supposed to have. Remember, in the history of Westeros, only one dragon was brought down by a stray scorpion bolt and that one had already laid waste to most of Westeros and would have faced such weapons already.

    The other dragons were either killed by other dragons or they were slaughtered while chained up in an enclosed space – and even then they brought the building down on everyone.

    History tells us that these creatures were so powerful they took on Ghis – then the largest and most powerful land army in history – and made kindle out it.

    The show is stuck with dragons really. The history sort of makes them too powerful and Cersei is simply not a convincing obstacle – even the young ones, but if you don’t make them powerful then they fail to live up to that history and feel slightly underwhelming.

  303. Boudica,

    Though we should bear in mind that unless Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, Jon is still a bastard. A Targaryen bastard, but a bastard nonetheless, and therefore not the rightful ruler.

    Of course, it is entirely possible that R & L were married, there are obviously plenty of theories regarding where the ceremony might have happened, but nothing is confirmed yet, so we shouldn’t assume that anyone will be acknowledging Jon as the rightful ruler.

  304. Gee, bury yourself in writing for a couple of weeks, and look what happens! Still, that looks fun. Of course, the people who make trailers excel at making silk purses from material ranging from the finest silk to sows ears, so that does not mean too much.

    Still, it’s nice to see lots of Lannister asses getting kicked. The fanboy in me has wanted to see that since Bill Clinton was president.

  305. Violator,

    Yeah I think all her tough talk in this trailer is like episode 1… good luck to her though! I am hoping she goes out with a bang!

  306. Dee Stark:
    Lord Parramandas,

    Okay good to know. I think I will cave soon.

    haha we do need our own thread, one where we can discuss the trailer without discussing spoilers.. so almost like the unsullied recap thread. @ozofthrones

    Hey, DeeStark and Lord P, nice to have you both back. I admire your flinty determination to stay leak-proof. I happened to ask in another thread if the mods could get the Forums back up. That would give everyone a place to natter about their favourite ideas and questions and protect unsullied. I’m sure Sue et al currently have a lot on their plate. Creating troll-safe Forums might be time-consuming or technically impossible, but one can hope.

    Clob:
    I’m really hoping that the shot of Arya at 1:03 is her feeling/sensing/connecting with Nymeria.In a split second it’s hard to tell but her horse in the background looks like it’s upset like it could be smelling wolves. <– Well no, it doesn’t really but that’s my hopeful thinking anyway. 🙂

    The poor horse is probably thinking, “That damn director! Doesn’t he know I don’t even have a saddle or blanket on and it’s bloody cold and we’re in the middle of nowhere!” But I hope and think you’re right about Arya. Come on, Nymeria. Baby Stark looks so lonely here, especially letting out that sigh. I just want to cuddle her. She’d respond better to a wolf-cuddle instead.

  307. Hodors Bastard: But I’m with others here in thinking that we have seen Jorah’s diseased arm. Is it reaching for something or is it going to be treated?

    Huh, my thought was that it was probably a caged wight. However, that makes sense, too.

    Joel: It is Jorah getting cured with fire the same way Victarion Greyjoy was cured in the books I think?

    The fact that Melisandre never cured Shireen makes that seem implausible: after all, it seems that Mel is unusually strong (or unusually favored) for one of the red-clerics. At any rate, given how prominent the Red Church is, if they were able to cure grayscale, then people like the Maesters would at least have heard about it.

  308. Boudica,

    could be Jorah’s hand being treated it was a left hand with greyscale type hand in a crate to keep his distance in case he gets bad

  309. Hodors Bastard: Opening the Castle Black wall gate for Bran, maybe? Love the adrenaline within the trailer!

    Hmmm…. my bet is that the door is opening either to let someone in, OR…. (wait for it, my reasoning will dazzle you….) let someone out. I don’t know why, but I’ve got a really good feeling that it’s one of those two.

    Oh, and I suppose that it could be Bran. Or Ed. Or Jon & Co. if they are going north of the Wall at some point.

    So, I am going with a definite MAYBE.

  311. Dennai: I kept myself away of big spoilers. It’s easy to do if you really try.

    Actually, all it takes is to not try. It’s sort of zen like that. Even the best adult diaper cannot compare to that for leak proof.

  313. Markus Stark: Of course, it is entirely possible that R & L were married, there are obviously plenty of theories regarding where the ceremony might have happened, but nothing is confirmed yet, so we shouldn’t assume that anyone will be acknowledging Jon as the rightful ruler.

    Indeed! However, I would not be surprised if Sam uncovers the documentation of R&L’s marriage. I know that many think that Sam will be there for plot, but I’m betting that he’ll be there for story.

  315. Right I’ve been lurking for years but this trailer has me so hyped I could no longer remain silent! Wow, I think HBO did an amazing job piecing together just enough snippets to make us all crazy but not enough to give away much. I have to agree the leaks are confirmed, I figured as much as soon as there were rumblings that the actors were unhappy. I do think that if you were to take the prior seasons outlines of a show this detailed, epic and obsessed over out of context without the actual dialogue, scene direction and filming notes, every season prior to this one may have also sounded ridiculous. I have high hopes for it! I’m a Stark based watcher and I think all my Starks were represented well, Sansa looking calculating (against LF I dearly hope), Jon slamming LF against the crypt wall (him just using oxygen is enough reason), Arya looking fierce and anticipatory (of Nymeria coming upon her at the campfire) and the gates of Castle Black opening for the entrance of Bran and Meera (that’s my take anyway.)

  316. Wimsey: Huh, my thought was that it was probably a caged wight.However, that makes sense, too.

    The fact that Melisandre never cured Shireen makes that seem implausible: after all, it seems that Mel is unusually strong (or unusually favored) for one of the red-clerics.At any rate, given how prominent the Red Church is, if they were able to cure grayscale, then people like the Maesters would at least have heard about it.

    That diseased arm looks pretty far gone, a cure would seem implausible – at least not without A LOT of healing time, which the show doesn’t have, so… not sure how that is going to play out

  317. I’m starting to wonder if we’ll get more than the one facial expression out of Sansa during the season. I mean, I’m sure there won’t be a large variation but so far everything has been just the one. 😛

  318. that new “council” scene in WF.. .love seeing davos at Jons right hand ….did anyone esle notice Turmond is there and the red head girl (the one we all thought was sophie’s stand in) and the small boy that we heard about from casting call?

  320. Orys Stark,

    I’m thinking Jon is down in the crypts before he leaves and Lf is down there and Jon show so his strength so LF doesn’t do something to Sansa while he is gone. Chokes him like Ned didn’t in season 1.

    “Starks quick tempers, slow minds”

  321. Jon Dayne The Sword of the Morning,

    [Leaks discussion]

    Per Lads2, Jon is in the crypts when Littlefinger shows up and begins praising him, trying to ingratiate himself with Jon. Eventually Littlefinger starts talking about how much he lurves Sansa, which prompts Jon to slam Littlefinger against the wall (as seen in the trailer), echoing the Ned/Littlefinger scene from the first season.

  323. viki: That diseased arm looks pretty far gone, a cure would seem implausible – at least not without A LOT of healing time, which the show doesn’t have, so… not sure how that is going to play out

    I think that is why I assumed it was a caged wight. However, it could be a really far-gone Jorah, too. Is there any character who has been imprisoned for a long time that might come back? (I cannot recall any, but my memory is imperfect.)

  324. We’ve always heard about the Dothraki being ferocious warriors, but, if you think about it, we really haven’t seen them in action. The only thing that comes to mind is when the Dothraki stormed the Harpies in Mereen, but there really wasn’t much to see there. The trailer makes it look like we’re finally going to see the Dothraki for who they are and why they are feared in battle. Awesome!

  325. ramses: How sick do the dothraki look going into battle????
    Seriously, did everyone note the way they’re going into standing position on their horses?!

    Looks like we’re finally going to see some serious equestrian warfare. I always imagined the Dothraki fighting very low-tech – with minimal saddlery, perhaps even without stirrups – in order to maximize maneuverability while fighting with arakhs and bows.

  328. Gina,

    same, i’m also looking out for Jeremy Podeswa.
    he has directing has been on point in seasons 5 and 6, can’t wait to see what he does for season 7.

  329. “I’m starting to wonder if we’ll get more than the one facial expression out of Sansa during the season. I mean, I’m sure there won’t be a large variation but so far everything has been just the one. 😛”

    HAHA Clob 🙂

    “let Sansa be, Let Sansa beeeeee, let Sansa be, let Sansa beeee,. Speaking words of wisdom I think The Beatles already weighed in on this 🙂

  331. HereBeDragons: … I wondering if a Greyscale epidemic is an important event/worry in this season..???

    That would be a very arbitrary digression. The show needs to focus on whatever the story is: my bet is that we’ll get something that somehow ties in the mentality underlying the war against the Lannisters to conflict with the Witch King.

  334. Firannion: Looks like we’re finally going to see some serious equestrian warfare.I always imagined the Dothraki fighting very low-tech – with minimal saddlery, perhaps even without stirrups – in order to maximize maneuverability while fighting with arakhs and bows.

    LOL, right! It will be interesting to see two different styles of combat fighting each other. Also, they sure procured a lot of horses quickly…

  336. Red Door: Melissandre back at Dragonstone! Why wouldn’t she go there, it is so obvious in hindsight.

    I’d like to see a long tracking shot of her wandering the halls at Dragonstone, with somber music, looking at stuff that she associates with Stannis and Selyse and especially Shireen, and watch it sink in (if it hasn’t already) how mightily she has screwed up.

  337. Wimsey: And that’s just Hodor’s Bastard!

    Dammit! My cat is sleeping on the [F5] key again!
    Hey W, I baked a pie for you. Don’t mind the grisly bits.

  338. maria: Why is Jon attacking Littlefinger? Can’t be because he found out what he did to Ned, or he’d just run him through.

    My bet is that it’s a big brother sort of thing. Of course, if LF is up to his usual shenanigans, then it could relate to those. After the Ides of Marsh, I am betting that Jon is going to be less tolerant of these things.

  340. Matthew The Dragon knight,

    He is good, but unfortunately for him he was on the two seasons competing with Sapochnik which.. you just can’t compete!

    Edit: I also lowkey wish there was a secret extra episode that Sapochnik is directing

  341. Wimsey:
    Is there any character who has been imprisoned for a long time that might come back? (I cannot recall any, but my memory is imperfect.)

    What did Varys do with the sorcerer in the crate? The one who castrated him and burned his manbits? There must be some logical reason Kinvara asked him about the voice in the flames.

  345. Wimsey: I think that is why I assumed it was a caged wight.However, it could be a really far-gone Jorah, too.Is there any character who has been imprisoned for a long time that might come back?(I cannot recall any, but my memory is imperfect.)

    Edmure?

  346. viki: LOL, right! It will be interesting to see two different styles of combat fighting each other.Also, they sure procured a lot of horses quickly…

    They took the horses with them in the S6 finale.

  348. Stargaryen,

    You are correct. I just looked it up on AWOIAF; Dawn was forged from the heart of a fallen star, and is similar to Valyrian steel “in strength and sharpness.”

  349. Stargaryen:
    Matthew The Dragon knight,

    Dawn is not Valyrian steel, someone correct me if I’m wrong but pretty sure it isn’t.

    It isn’t VS – in fact, legend has it that Dawn was forged from a fallen star. Hence, I guess, the sword and star in the Dayne sigil.

  350. Stargaryen:
    Dawn is not Valyrian steel, someone correct me if I’m wrong but pretty sure it isn’t.

    Correctomundo! Good quiz! 🙂

    According to legend, the founder of House Dayne tracked a falling star to the mouth of the Torentine, and Starfall was then constructed where a magical stone was discovered. The greatsword Dawn was forged from the heart of this fallen star and has possibly been wielded by Daynes for ten thousand years. The sigil of the Daynes depicts the white sword and falling star. The blade is as pale as milkglass, unlike dark Valyrian steel, but is similar in strength and sharpness.

    (quote stolen from the dark side)

  351. Wolfish: What did Varys do with the sorcerer in the crate? The one who castrated him and burned his manbits? There must be some logical reason Kinvara asked him about the voice in the flames.

    That showed us (and Varys) that the Red Clerics know a lot of things that one would not expect them to know. It also hints that perhaps the voice in the flame was R’hllor itself. It doesn’t need anything else.

    As for any possible character, it would have to be someone we would recognize on sight: and nobody would remember what Varys’ sorcerer looked like. I was thinking “Edmure” for a moment, but then I remembered that he’s been freed.

    So, I am thinking that the answer to my query is “no.”

  352. Firannion,

    “Looks like we’re finally going to see some serious equestrian warfare. I always imagined the Dothraki fighting very low-tech – with minimal saddlery, perhaps even without stirrups – in order to maximize maneuverability while fighting with arakhs and bows.”

    100% What I’ve imagined their fighting techniques to be. Just, the capability to completely throw off an adversary who has been riding all their life’s as well, but not like the Dothraki.

  353. Matthew The Dragon knight:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    2 million YouTube views, I believe they’re playing catch up.
    YouTube wasn’t updating the views for awhile.

    Season 6 trailer is at 22 million. Well the second trailer because the first one isn’t on their YT page. What do you think this will get to?

  354. I’m so glad, they did not cheese it up with another one of Dany’s corny ass speeches. I’m so dang sick of that BS.

    Great trailer. Can’t wait to see Jon make that wormy weasely LF his bitch, just like Ned.

    The King In The Norf!! 🤘😎🤘

  355. Matthew The Dragon knight: SO I really hope we learn a lot about it this season, maybe even see some new blades.

    What makes Thrones so much different than other fantasy stories is that it does not dwell on these things. Ultimately, the solution to the Walkers is going to be something consistent with the rest of the story, and thus some “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” choice where Jon and Daenerys (and probably Tyrion) are trapped between unpleasant alternatives.

    Having Sam or someone find the recipe for Valyrian steel and then just having the “good guys” stab all of the Walkers would be cringe-worthy Deus ex Machina of the sort that sadly typifies the epic fantasy genre.


  356. Wimsey,

    I really hope that’s not Jorah, as we’ve seen with Shireen though Greyscale can be cured it’s marks don’t heal and I’d hate for Jorah to be stuck with his arm looking like that forever.

  357. Wimsey,

    I didn’t actually think that hand might be the sorcerer’s; I was simply responding to the question about long-term prisoners. Like everyone else, I suspect either Jorah or

    wight-in-a-box

    .

    On that note… Wait, Edmure is free? I’m watching the series again (middle of S5 right now) and might be having a major brain fart, but I thought he was still someone’s prisoner. If memory serves, in the books he’s the Lannisters’ hostage (he and Roslyn have been sent to Casterly Rock), and in the show he’s Walder Frey’s prisoner again. Hence our hopes that Arya will find and free him. Or is my memory failing?

  358. Stargaryen,

    Characters are always being developed and going through things and learning. The story is far from over. I want the characters done justice and not shoved aside and mangled for the sake of it or to prop up others. If that happens, all their prior character development and experiences become meaningless. I don’t know why that is so difficult to understand.

  359. Fantastic surprise; fantastic trailer!

    It’s already been mentioned but I can’t help but reiterate: Damn those Dothraki are impressive! It gave me chills.

    Someone mentioned the POV shot on Arya starting a fire:
    Perhaps that’s a standard wolf’s POV and then BAM! Something knocks that wolf on its ass, and it’s Nymeria?! That would be a cool re-intro!

    Jaime seems to be taking in more of whatever he’s hearing; Cersei, of course, seems arrogantly unconcerned or at least convinced of her invincibility. I hope Arya, in a Faceless Man disguise, gets to cross Cersei off her list.

    Did I mention how utterly bad-ass the Dothraki are in this? Not your momma’s Screamers, that’s for sure.

    I’m so pumped!

  360. That Dothraki horde looks awesome, that fight is gonna be awesome. I kept wondering why we never truly got to see them fight, I guess they were holding out for something special. I noticed in The Drogon picture there were lannister’s dead with arrows in them which means we’ll finally see dothraki’s with bow and arrows something we’ve never really seen on the show before but it’s been talked about how good they are with bows in the books.
    When we see one of the dothraki’s literally stand up on his horse, it’s like you Lannister’s don’t stand a chance.

  363. Clob:
    I’m starting to wonder if we’ll get more than the one facial expression out of Sansa during the season. I mean, I’m sure there won’t be a large variation but so far everything has been just the one. 😛

    Unless she has a crying scene (which will expand the range to 2), we may be Kristin Stewart-ed this year.

  364. Pigeon,

    “Unless she has a crying scene (which will expand the range to 2), we may be Kristin Stewart-ed this year.”

    Killing me. I love this community 😛

  365. I have to ask…. Do any of you read/watch Outlander? I know this series has been mentioned here before; but the actor portraying Jamie dampers the show for me… perhaps, Sansa style? —- I happen to enjoy Sansa books and show!

  366. Did anyone notice the scene of Littlefinger lurking in the shadows at 1:07? Damn it looks very ominous. I can’t tell if it’s the same scene with Jon in the crypts or if it will be a later scene. But certainly looks like he’s up to no good. Could he be planning on getting his own hands personally dirty for once? Looks like he’s creeping up on someone.

  368. Wolfish,

    they actually never said if Edmure was still Freys prisoner. We can assume Frey boys didnt just leave him at Riverrun, but after Arya kill Walder and his sons, she could very well have freed her uncle..soo guess we will see in season 7

  369. Oh wow – the day I needed to stay late for work, and they drop a trailer. Love it Got lots of messages to catch up on…

  370. Mel,

    I agree, and I hope the greyscale doesn’t touch Jorah’s gorgeous face either! I could handle scarring on his arm, but not his face!

  371. Boudica,

    It most likely is correct. I don’t see how it would ruin the story when it only adds more details and makes it more complex, it don’t even contradicts previous info by first awayforthelads.

    Flayed Potatoes,

    I agree with Bran but Jon and Arya lol no. Just because you have a diffrent expectations, doesn’t mean these acrs are bad. 😉

  372. ramses,

    Lol. It definitely is creepy as hell when you really look at it. My gut is telling me that’s gonna be a serious scene. I hope it’s separate from the Jon confrontation in the crypts but it could be that. My hope is it’s a later scene and he may be making a move on Arya or Bran or even Sansa.

    my personal (fanfic) theory is that is Arya wearing his face and she’s getting Sansa to admit that she’s conspired with Littlefinger to assassinate Bran so she can rule Winterfell. Leaving Arya no choice but to execute the turn coat

  373. I’m just amazed at how beautiful my country, Spain, is. It just looks perfect for GOT.

  375. Flayed Potatoes,

    Leaks

    Well except this

    Jon kneeling or pledging himself at the meeting at the dragonit. Weird political move.

    Do you see other blunders or bad aspects of his arc?

  376. Geralt of Rivia,

    Weird and let’s be real it’s purely to pander to fans of a certain character. I don’t know how D&D can justify that dragonpit moment.

    I mean…the show was hyping Jon as king so much (kitn scene, long walk teaser), only for us to barely get to see him act as king (based on the leaks it’s like 1 episode of him ruling) and to have that taken away from him 5-6 episodes later after he’s worked to hard to eliminate the stigma of his bastardy. And in front of everyone at the dragonpit…it’s like they want to humiliate him.

    I am assuming when you ask me about other blunders and bad aspects of his arc, you mean only season 7.

    The show again completely glosses over the Jon/Arya relationship, their warging etc. He doesn’t even talk about her when he meets Gendry. And neither does Gendry, which is weird. There’s no mention if he talks about her with the Hound too.

    Not to keen on that rumor that he offers Longclaw to Jorah. What has Jorah done to deserve it? Jorah disgraced his family. Jon’s can’t have anything he’s earned on this show it seems.

    I’m not too familiar with how the timeline is this season, but it’s kind of annoying that he has to stay in Dragonstone for so long as a prisoner (???) when he can go and bring in some more allies (Riverrun? – Edmure is supposed to take it based on the leaks). I don’t know what exactly he’s supposed to be doing there while the others are gone fighting and doing stuff. This is not really a big complaint…it’s more confusion.

  377. Wolfish: On that note… Wait, Edmure is free? I’m watching the series again (middle of S5 right now) and might be having a major brain fart, but I thought he was still someone’s prisoner.

    Oh, I thought that they left him at Riverrun for some reason. However, now that you mention it, he might be back in chains. The Riverrun stuff tends to numb my brain, so it’s entirely possible that I forgot what happened after that.

    Stark Raven’ Rad:
    Too old hat. She prefers Joe Jonas, gods help us.

    Um, I think that you might be confusing Sophie Turner with Sansa Stark!

  378. Flayed Potatoes,
    Leaks

    Jon and Arya relationship will probably be focused upon in season 8, don’t worry. 😉 Warging for Jon is pointless at this point because it won’t serve in his resurrection. He needs to bond with a dragon, more needed for the war. I’d love to see more of Ghost and Jon together but budget and difficulties with filming with live animals. Agreed with Arya because Nymaria is out there and warging would be neat to use.

    Dragonpit sounds like a very bad political move but there might be a reason for it. Dany made bad moves too. Hear me out. We know Jon is legitimate and have a better claim than Dany. By him kneeling for her, with upcoming reveal it again shifts their dynamic. When in fact she should sould be pledging to him or see him as equal with a legitimate claim. This might all be building it up to this.

    We don’t know all the details which Lads himself said. He don’t know everything but D&D are all about shock value. Much like Brienne never mentioned Sandor to Sansa. Saving it for the last season and shocking reunions.

    I’ve always imagined Jon offering Longclaw to the Mormonts. Many people had this idea while Jon was at Bear Island petition for more men. I think it’s a sweet moment, Jon himself knows how one person can be condemned over one mistake. He was looked upon his whole life even while living as highborn. Either they’ll fight or talk and couple of words will be shared about Jeor.

    Riverlands are not more important than Dany and her forces. He needs dragonglass, her armies and dragons. Sansa can do that or someone else. He’s not a prisoner but more of guest but he has to. We don’t always do what we like. He needs her more than she needs him. Show really overpowered Dany and then they’ll downgrade her strength and overpower Cersei.

  379. Geralt of Rivia,

    I never understood why Brienne didn’t say that Arya was with the Hound. I understand your reasoning (D&D might be saving it for future shock value), and figured that’s why it was written that way; nevertheless, it struck me as… a really un-Brienne thing to do. She’s so direct.

    Then again, I seem to be among a minority who disliked the Hound-and-Brienne fight. I’m re-watching the show with Saner Half (his first viewing), and he didn’t like it either. He really likes both characters, and was confounded by the logic (or lack of) of that encounter.

  380. Wimsey,
    Jorah’s Greyscale began on his left wrist and spread to his forearm. Is he left-handed or right-handed? Either way…

    Greyscale survivor Shireen Baratheon taught Gilly to read. Gilly told her that some of her Craster sisters were afflicted with this disease and ostracized by their father.

    Gun on Wall? As I have theorized here before, in Citadel books that Sam smuggles home, Gilly finds the cure. Perhaps as suggested by spoilers,

    Sam will administer the treatment.

    Leaked photos of Jorah at Dragonstone indicate no evidence of handicap. Furthermore, most speculations agree that he would not rejoin her unless this disease no longer threatened contagion.

    What do YOU think of this scenario?

  381. Alexis:
    I don’t think that’s completely true. There is not a “ton” of Valyrian steel in Westeros nor do most great houses have one. The Lannisters didn’t even get theirs until they melted down Ned’s.

    The show references 5 total (Oathbreaker, Widow’s Wail, Longclaw, Heartsbane, and the dagger used by Bran’s would-be assassin) and it is always noted how rare they are.

    Arya also mentioned Dark Sister (Visenya Targaryen’s sword) during her conversations with Tywin in season 2. It would be cool if Arya ended up finding and wielding it at some point.

  382. Markus Stark: Though we should bear in mind that unless Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, Jon is still a bastard. A Targaryen bastard, but a bastard nonetheless, and therefore not the rightful ruler.

    Of course, it is entirely possible that R & L were married, there are obviously plenty of theories regarding where the ceremony might have happened, but nothing is confirmed yet, so we shouldn’t assume that anyone will be acknowledging Jon as the rightful ruler.

    Leaks:

    It is confirmed in the leaks, that Rhaegar and Lyanna was married and the marriage to Elia was annulled.

    I am not necessarily referring to anyone wanting to take her throne away from her, or fighting for the throne or support for the throne.

    It is more about the idea, and the believe that Dany has in her rights. It is something she has always believed, when she was young and inexperienced she believed that Viserys was the rightful heir. It is a very strong believe, it is the one of thing that really drives her whole character. So what happens when what you have always believed is not true?

  383. Geralt of Rivia: It most likely is correct. I don’t see how it would ruin the story when it only adds more details and makes it more complex, it don’t even contradicts previous info by first awayforthelads.

    Not all of it is terrible, I would have to look at it again, I only looked at it once when it was first “released”.

    Did you read some of that dialogue script? Or stuff like Jon kneels to Dany in Dragonpit without any reason whatsoever in front of everybody? It even pisses Cersei off. The first Lads Said nothing about Jon kneeling in the Dragonpit, he says tells Dany that he would bend the knee if she fights against the White Walkers inprivate on a ship. And he was asked about this specifically. So that is a contridiction.

    Some of the Sansa stuff was also dumb but I remember what exactly it was. They have already ruined Tyrion as a character if they ruin Jon as a character as well, the whole story would become superfluous.
    I have to read those leaks again, but I almost don’t want to.

  384. Dee Stark:
    UGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH

    I was hoping we wouldn’t get one because I am not sure I want to watch! HAHA
    I want to be fully surprisedddddddddd
    ENJOY ALL.

    MAN I AM SO EXCITED

    Dee!

    Hello! I’ve been avoiding coming here since filming news started to come in last year for fear of being spoiled. A friend told me over dinner the new trailer is out and I couldn’t resist this time. LOL. It’s a great trailer but good thing I have no idea what’s exactly going on (other than Cersei planning to defeat her enemies and Dany finally arriving in Westeros).

    Oh July 16, why can’t you come sooner?

  386. Geralt of Rivia:

    Jon and Arya relationship will probably be focused upon in season 8, don’t worry. Warging for Jon is pointless at this point because it won’t serve in his resurrection. He needs to bond with a dragon, more needed for the war. I’d love to see more of Ghost and Jon together but budget and difficulties with filming with live animals. Agreed with Arya because Nymaria is out there and warging would be neat to use.
    Dragonpit sounds like a very bad political move but there might be a reason for it. Dany made bad moves too. Hear me out. We know Jon is legitimate and have a better claim than Dany. By him kneeling for her, with upcoming reveal it again shifts their dynamic. When in fact she should sould be pledging to him or see him as equal with a legitimate claim. This might all be building it up to this.
    I can understand why Jon would bend the knee. He will do it to try and save the people of the North or just the realms of men. But even so Jon has never been a very subservient type of character, he has always done things in his own way. Even as a steward in the Nights Watch he did his own thing.
    There is absolutely no sense in Jon suddenly becoming a subservient character in front of the most important people within the realm. Especially if it is not asked of him. Why would he be kneeling and be interested in who is on the throne when his whole fight has always been against the White Walkers? They go to the dragonpit for a wight demonstration, and suddenly he kneels?
    They are destroying Jon’s character, if this happens. How are they going to fix this in season 8, is Dany suddenly going to kneel to him in front of everyone when they find out about his parentage?
    Jon is already pledging himself to Dany, why should he kneel to her twice? That is just ridiculous.

    This is a contradiction from Lads1, Lads1 said nothing about Jon kneeling in the Dragonpit, he said Jon would pledge to Dany in private on the ship. And he was asked about this very specifically.

    Cersei gets a line of credit from the Iron Bron after she makes a payment on some of her debts. Why?
    She only makes a payment because she sacks Highgarden, Dany has dragons, why would the Iron Bank give her even more credit? That would make them very dumb.
    It is not like she can sack Highgarden twice. Jaime is ambushed just after sacking Highgarden, did he send the gold ahead to Cersei?

    Jaime is the Lord of Casterly Rock he commands the Lannister forces. He fought with the Lannister forces. But when he leaves Cersei he does not take any of the Lannister forces with him, he just leaves Cersei. A lone man, who cant really fight anymore, to join the North in the battle against the White Walkers. He alone is of no use to anyone. Why wouldn’t he take the forces that he has commanded within battle to fight the White Walkers?

    From Lads2 Scripts:

    Arya to Sansa: “I was never going to be as good of a Lady as you, so I had to become something else. I could never survive what you have survived.”

    Seriously? That is something that Sansa fans writes on tumblr or something.

    Cersei to Tyrion: “So you brought her here her and her pet Northerner who she convinced to bow down to her. ”
    Tyrion to Cersei: “I didn’t know about that”

    Dany to Jon: “Were are going to destroy this Nights King and his army of dead men. We’ll do it together you have my word.
    Jon sees what so many have seen over the years the force within Dany that enables her to connect with people in her path.
    That is really ridiculous!

    Jon to Dany: “Thank you, Dany. ”

    These are not good or more compelling storytelling, Tyrion’s character is already completely spoiled. There will not be much left to this story if Arya and Jon’s characters are also completely ruined.

  387. Boudica,

    I think we all know for certain that the original Lads is pretty much right on all accounts but I’m a lot more cynical about Lads 2.0 I know it’s definitely not the same person as the way they spoke, wrote things, 2.0 was biased with the characters while the original was neutral and even got the spelling wrong for the characters. The first Lads also I believe was told the outline of The season by someone they know, they never actually held the script in their hands while apparently 2.0 actually had the script even though only the main actors were emailed it and when they got the script the days they were filming they had to hand it back each day. So how they took pictures of it, I have no idea. 2.0 may be right about some things but they mainly expanded and changed/contradicted what original Lads said. Even just the scene of Dany and Jon is a lot different, Lads said Jon visits Dany in her room and she’s near inconsolable and tries to comfort her and kneels to her even though she tells him not to. Lads 2.0 changes it, Dany visits Jon instead and seems upset yes but not inconsolable she even just starts opening up to him, he says he’d kneel to her but he can’t because his injured in bed and in the script presumably naked, she tells him not to and he starts calling her Dany and she opens up to him more suddenly talking about Viserys that she hasn’t really mentioned to anyone but Jorah.
    So yeah, Lads 2.0 definitely contradicts what Lads said in a lot of ways. So while I might keep a open mind about things he brought up that the original Lads didn’t, I wouldn’t really believe anything that contradicts what the original lads said

  388. Wolfish,

    I agree with Brienne being direct in her approach and even calling out Sansa on her lies. It must be for the shock value and surprise of seeing each other because I don’t see any other valid reason to exclude his name from their conversation. When it comes to their fight and other for that matter, if you dissect it carefully, sometimes it does lack a bit logic in the fight. I can understand this sentiment.

    Boudica,

    Leaks

    I’ve read this person’s answers carefully and it only follows from where the original lads left it off. Original lads left a huge holes in the plot and like others almost everyone were sceptical of this newly found awayforthelads person. It turnd out to be legitimate informations.If you thinkTyrion or Jon are being ruined, what about Bran non existent in the leaks, trailer? This much bigger worry. Apparently he’s not talking much, being strange and Meera left him. Serving only to show us Jon’s parentage and put end to LF’s plans.

    We know a lot more details about Dragonstone Jon and Daenerys visiting caves, Citadel Broadbent’s character arc, Reach death of Olenna, why Lannister are attacking it, Ambush battle with Jaime vs Daenerys and by that details, specific lines among other things.

    Do I like it? No, but my personal feelings are irrelevant and while broken clock can be right once a day, these informations about Jon/LF, Yara and Ellaria are too detailed to be made up. Either this person is the luckiest leaker around or he’s right about it.

    Boudica,

    Leaks

    Some of the lines are cringeworthy. This is like “bad pussy” so it shouldn’t be a surprise. D&D are big fans of Daenerys, Cersei and Sansa making them look awesome. Read the script of BotB. Describing Sansa and Dany as two Godesses and forc to be reckong with, perfect characters. Makes you realize why Jon was playing second fiddle , Jaime to Cersei or Tyrion for that matter. I made my piece with it that Jon will be playing second fiddle from now on. I se that thea want to make female character look good and I agree, but not at the expense of men or in general other characters.

    What is hilarious is that Cersei will blowjob Jaime on the screen. I mean next season is quite heavy action Grey Worm/Missandei, Jon/Daenerys and Jaime/Cersei.

    Actually, Dany makes comment that she saw herself rule on the iron throne like Queen of Bel-Air or somehing. Continuation of your line about destroying Night King.

    Iron Bank might see Dany as an unstable ruler and Cersei pointed that out, along with Dothraki. If she has dragons, she can threaten them and this not something they might want to see. Cersei has an army but Lannister always pays their debts blah blah blah. Also, Tywin had a good reputation with them even if Tyrells were paying debts for them and financing the crown’s acitivities.

  389. Firannion,

    Yes, that would be nice. The guilt we saw when she was forced to leave Winterfell. Good thing she was sent away or she would have waited too long to catch Dany arriving. But just maybe they’ll portray her cocky as ever, standing there on the citadel expecting Dany and being all “What took you so long? I’ve been waiting here like forever”;)

  391. Boudica,

    Thank you! You hit the nail on the head.

    Leak

    Those scripts and lines are basically taken from tumblr meta written by Sansa and Dany fans. Way to make everything Jon and Arya went through and their development as meaningless. Not to mention Bran spends the season sitting around at Winterfell doing nothing and ignored until he is of use to Sansa. Arya has her childhood stolen away from her, witnesses the red wedding, gets beaten and stabbed in Braavos and suddenly it’s no big deal. Three important endgame characters set to fight the big war pushed aside and butchered to prop up D&D’s favorite characters.

    Geralt of Rivia,

    Boudica summed up my thoughts and issues above. To add to some of the other things

    I don’t see how there will be enough time to get Jon/Arya in season 8. At most we’ll have a 10 second reunion and then that will get shoved aside. It also makes me worry how Jon’s parentage reveal will be handled.

    So if they are using the dragonpit kneeling to tell us Jon is the rightful heir, how exactly will they do that? No way D&D will have Dany kneel to him in public like he did. There are other ways to reveal Jon’s heritage. He has already pledged in private, which makes the dragonpit kneeling useless when Jon is there to get people to work together. It serves no purpose to tell one side he pledged to their enemy. It just makes it look like the writers want to ruin his character to prop up Dany, just like they did with Tyrion. Jon is basically Daario 2.0 to them at this point.

  392. As this links to spoilers I will cover

    I feel they are setting up the fall/death of Dany with all of this, Jon will pledge allegiance resign as king in the North then find out he is the true heir to the thrown, with the two of them sleeping together it adds more drama to when Jon’s parentage and claim to the throne comes to light. At the end Dany will never rule and will presumably die leaving Jon to reluctantly rule.

  393. Boudica,

    Leaks:

    I am now prepared to see all this on screen lol. I agree it’s bad , Jon and Arya’s characters destroyed to prop up Dany and Sansa and Bran just forgotten.

    Jon kneeling to Dany at the Dragonpit, in front of Cersei is totally ridiculous. It takes political ineptness to a new level

  394. Love all those who are crying foul at D&D favor and prepping up dany at the expanse of other characters..

    One can point out how its not the case and how dany herself is being butchered left and right ..but why bother with it ..it never going to change anyone’s view ..
    So have a nice whiny day

  395. Flayed Potatoes,

    In 10 hours of tv these guys will not find a proper time for Jon and Arya? I don’t believe that. They will find a way and properly adress this relationship, they did that with Sansa and will with Arya. Jon and Bran aswell.

    Dany and Tyrion had separate arcs last season. Dany had to acquire Dothraki and Tyrion was stuck in Meereen. I haven’t seen you questioning their way of handling Dany in Meereen which was an utter boredom for any character. Dany and Tyrion both suffered that.

    Leaks

    It sounds more to me that Jon is pledging to Dany at the dragonpit because in the end Jon is not about titles, the North might be granted to Starks by her and he has no interest in pursuing throne. Timing and place are weird for this, i agree.

    Imagine the irony that the rightful heir is the one who knelt for Daenerys. It entirely shifts their dynamic. I know it sounds really bad but it might look better with more context to each scene. Let’s be honest, if they’re going toscrew Jon, it already happened last season.I’m prepared for any outcome.

  396. My understanding of the leaks was – major spoilers –

    Jon refuses to kneel to Dany at first and tries to convince her that the White Walkers are the real threat. After Dany saves Jon at the White Hunt and loses one of her dragons they are on a ship and he volunteers then they have sex. At the same time Jon’s parentage comes to light which changes things.

  397. Geralt of Rivia,

    Tyrion was stuck in Meereen making drinking jokes instead of using his experience building a defense for a city, only to have Dany return pissed off at the state the city was in (pretending like she is not part of the reason things ended up the way they did). Tyrion was never going to be allowed to succeed much in Meereen because that puts Dany in a bad light, which is why we got filler. And then suddenly and magically all the problems were solved with dragon fire and by leaving Daario “fuck the people of Meereen” to oversee things….not realistic at all. Meereen is a clusterfuck and the minute Dany leaves it will go back to being a hellhole…but we can’t have that stain on her on the show now can we.

    Honestly, Meereen was such a boring, infuriating and predictable snorefest. I would rather swallow a scorpion than waste my breath on it even further.

  398. Yeah that’s why D&D say that must be thanking Tyrion for saving the city ..so much for not wanting dany on the bad light ..
    Similar thing was said in regards to Jon and sansa ..imagine the uproar it caused ..

    Everything that happened on meereen was because of tyrion’s plan and he even did all the talking …dany just a puppet who rode dragons and burned a shiplike tyrion said So ..thank god tyrion the wise and saint was there to stop mad queen going full Hitler ..

  401. Sam,

    Good for you. I avoided this place for a while also. Happy to have you back in time for the season. I only started showing up more lately. I still haven’t watched the trailer. Waiting to see how long I can hold out. Scanning the comments to see peoples reactions but not really reading comments that go in to details.

    Im still doing a rewatch of the seasons and im still only on season 2. I haven’t had time to consistently watch and catch up. Still lots of time to go!!!!!!!!!

  402. So sad to see all the leaks discussion. Sad that the whole season got leaked. Honestly.

  403. Dee Stark,

    Trust me, you can watch the trailer! I have read all the spoilers I had found and nothing is disclosed in the trailer. Imo people are sometimes building meaning based on the leaks.
    You won’t get spoiled by watching the trailer, but avoid the comments!

  405. Geralt of Rivia,

    Leaks:

    the problem is not Jon kneeling to Dany. The problem lies in the when and the how. The whole point of going to the Dragonpit (not to forget all that trouble they go through to hunt a wight) was to convince Cersei and Jaime to ally with them. It seems to me the worst way to do this would be to kneel to her rival, right in front of her. And of course Cersei gets pissed. So once again, Jon is shown to be politically naive and woefully inept.

  406. I believe based upon my interpretation that incident happens elsewhere, see my above post.

  407. Dee Stark,

    I admire your strength and self-control! 🙂 I think the trailer is not spoilery. They seemed random scenes to me and I couldn’t make sense of what’s really happening for the most part. I, too, would like to be unsullied this season and experience what I did when I watched season 1. But gosh, this looooong wait is torture!

  408. Dee Stark:
    So sad to see all the leaks discussion. Sad that the whole season got leaked. Honestly.

    Oh no, we better be careful then. I’m appreciative of those covering the leaks. Thanks!!!

  409. Sam,

    thank you!!!
    im more holding off to make the wait a bit easier… kill some time.. stall till I watch hahaha

    watching unsullied is the best! hahaha

  411. Dee Stark,

    Don’t worry too much: I’ve red every possible leak, and was surprised even by the trailer. So, I am sure that the show will surprise me much much more. After all all those leaks were like poorly written Wikipedia text copared to a detailed professional monography. They may reveal the overall course of events, they can mention some particular scenes, but when it comes to consistent story telling/detais/motivations they just raise questions and give no answers. So, all in all they are just an aperitive for those, who like that type of things, nothing more.

  412. My first thought on watching this was “Wonder how many times I’ll have to read the words ‘hype’, ‘hyped’ and ‘yasssss’ on the internet?” Second thought was it was enticing. Hahaha.

  413. ::clears her throat and puts on her best schoolmarm voice::

    Children, play nicely!

    Can we please let go of the ‘one-downsmanship’ discussion of whose favorite character is getting shafted by D & D to prop up another character? It’s tedious and divisive and goes nowhere productive. Nobody gets a trophy for being the biggest victim.

    As they say in the Oscar vote ads in the trade papers, ‘Thank you for your consideration.’

  414. I disagree with that. There was an archmaester who stated that there were ~200(ish) Valyrian blades (not noted to be specifically greatswords or even swords) in all of Westeros. This likely includes references to blades that have been lost (such as the Lannister’s former sword Brightroar) and those that have moved across the sea (e.g. those owned by the Blackfyres).

    I don’t doubt that there is more Valyrian steel on the continent. But “most great houses” having Valyrian steel has not been stated in the books. What you are likely referencing is this from ASOS:

    At long last, Father? Valyrian steel blades were scarce and costly, yet thousands remained in the world, perhaps two hundred in the Seven Kingdoms alone. It had always irked his father that none belonged to House Lannister. The old Kings of the Rock had owned such a weapon, but the greatsword Brightroar had been lost when the second King Tommen carried it back to Valyria on his fool’s quest. He had never returned; nor had Uncle Gery, the youngest and most reckless of his father’s brothers, who had gone seeking after the lost sword some eight years past.
    Thrice at least Lord Tywin had offered to buy Valyrian longswords from impoverished lesser houses, but his advances had always been firmly rebuffed. The little lordlings would gladly part with their daughters should a Lannister come asking, but they cherished their old family swords.

    Tywin considered it a status symbol to own one and was irked when a “lesser” house had what he did not. That does not mean a great house not having one would be considered notable. We don’t hear of one from the Tyrells, Tullys, Arryns, Greyjoys, Martells, etc.

    Wolfish:
    Alexis,

    You are correct in that there isn’t “a ton” of Valyrian steel in Westeros, but incorrect in your assertion that most great houses don’t have a greatsword. The Lannisters are actually notable for not having one; theirs was lost during one of the rebellions far predating what we see on screen.

    This comes up in the books, but has never been explained on the show. In the books it’s one of the things that really grates on Tywin: There are far smaller and less wealthy houses that have greatswords, and they’re so loath to part with them that Tywin can’t even buy one from a lesser house.

  415. Casso:
    Arya also mentioned Dark Sister (Visenya Targaryen’s sword) during her conversations with Tywin in season 2. It would be cool if Arya ended up finding and wielding it at some point.

    The last person known to wield Dark Sister was Brynden Rivers, who became the Three-Eyed Raven. I’ve also wondered where it might be found! Surely he would have taken it with him on his last ranging; does this mean it’s permanently lost in what was the cave of the CotF?

  416. Alexis,

    I concede your point. One must wonder, though, how it’s possible for “impoverished” houses to have Valyrian steel while a number of great houses don’t. I still think it’s likelier that we simply haven’t heard of them, but only GRRM knows for sure…

  417. Wolfish,

    Meera did not have a sword when they entered the 3ER’s cave. She grabbed one near the entrance when the WWs started to come in:

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7zc7KAU0nSHTjhGYlUzNG9vMFE

    After Benjen rescued them, it was leaning against a tree:

    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7zc7KAU0nSHOHJLQ2RNcThDUXM

    She still has it!

    https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/7c/Meera_Reed_Season_7_Promotional_Image.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20170420214141

  418. Lyannabanna: Meera did not have a sword when they entered the 3ER’s cave. She grabbed one near the entrance when the WWs started to come in:

    Ooooo, nice catch! I just assumed that she had picked up one of the CoTF’s dragonglass blades. I hope it is Dark Sister!

  419. Firannion:
    ::clears her throat and puts on her best schoolmarm voice::

    Children, play nicely!

    Can we please let go of the ‘one-downsmanship’ discussion of whose favorite character is getting shafted by D & D to prop up another character? It’s tedious and divisive and goes nowhere productive. Nobody gets a trophy for being the biggest victim.

    As they say in the Oscar vote ads in the trade papers, ‘Thank you for your consideration.’

    Firannion,

    Very well said. It’s a ridiculously tiresome argument that leads to nothing but temper tantrums from fanboys/girls. If you read all of the comments pertaining to which characters are getting shafted the most, one would have to conclude that every single character in this show is being shafted!

  420. My guess is that impoverished houses may have once been great houses that could afford Valyrian steel and just handed it down through the family. And the Lannisters had one… they just lost it.

    I don’t doubt that there are swords in Westeros not known to us. But I personally think it seems more prudent to mine for dragonglass (of which there is an abundance at Dragonstone) than to search for Valyrian steel that could aid in the fight against WW.

    Wolfish:
    Alexis,

    I concede your point. One must wonder, though, how it’s possible for “impoverished” houses to have Valyrian steel while a number of great houses don’t. I still think it’s likelier that we simply haven’t heard of them, but only GRRM knows for sure…

  421. Mr Derp: Firannion,

    Very well said.It’s a ridiculously tiresome argument that leads to nothing but temper tantrums from fanboys/girls.If you read all of the comments pertaining to which characters are getting shafted the most, one would have to conclude that every single character in this show is being shafted!

    yeah, it makes the conversations/comments impossible to read sometimes… I like discussion and when people make there arguments in a thoughtful way, no need to bring one character (or actor) down to pump up another. Whenever I feel the hot urge to reply to something that I strongly disagree with, I have to sit back, rant a little to myself, then remind myself that I’m an adult and it is not worth getting angry about – works most of the time, depends how tired I am 🙂

  422. I wouldn’t put it past D&D to sneak that in, but to be fair… that’s likely just a normal sword. When they first arrive at the cave and follow the children inside, a couple of wight skeletons attempt to follow them. The first wight breaks apart and the sword he’s holding falls right at the entrance.

    5:36 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83EPdpfIYwU

    Lyannabanna:
    Wolfish,

    She still has it!

    https://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/7c/Meera_Reed_Season_7_Promotional_Image.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20170420214141

  423. selena: they actually never said if Edmure was still Freys prisoner.

    Actually, they did. In the scene in 6//10 after Jaime introduces Bronn to two ladies who are ogling the pair, Old Walder sits nexts to Jaime and says to him: “This came together rather well. Your father would be pleased. … Edmure’s back in a cell. Can’t go killing my son-by-law. It wouldn’t be right. Give the family a bad name.”

    So, unless Arya had the presence of mind to go down and free him, or unless Roslyn freed him after Walder’s body was discovered, he’s still in a cell, prisoner of the Freys.

    My apologies if someone has already answered this. I was skimming quickly through the comments but didn’t catch them all.

  426. ghost of winterfell,

    That’s what I wrote and agree with it.

    Flayed Potatoes,

    Leaving Daario and Second Sons basically bunch of sellswords was not a good idea for many of us but it is Dany, so it must be a good idea. Show just wanted to tie up thing quickly and give Tyrion something to do before Dany’s triump with with Dothraki.

    dragonbringer,

    It looks like you’re whining along with us. Butchered left, right and center? There are charaters being butchered or reduced in the story far more than Dany but you have your own bias. You just care for Dany and Dany only. You just can’t stand when someone does not as her in the best of light the way you want it, then you get mad.

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