Comprehensive breakdown of the Game of Thrones season 6 trailer

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Holy Mother of Dragons, it’s here. After weeks of looking at the lifeless faces of beloved (and not-so-beloved) characters, we finally have a full-length trailer. And it does not disappoint!

Below is a screen cap breakdown of the trailer along with our speculation, so beware of potential spoilers.

As “Wicked Game” performed by James Vincent McMorrow plays, the trailer opens at the Wall, where we see Jon exactly where we left him: bleeding in the snow. Davos assures us on voiceover, “He’s gone.” (Still trying to convince us, HBO? Alright.)

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We then get a shot of a Martell ship sailing towards King’s Landing, most likely the one bearing Myrcella’s body and Jaime home.

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Jaime comforts Cersei by telling her, “We’re the only ones who matter and everything they’ve taken from us we’re going to take back and more” (I’m assuming he’s not referring to Myrcella, here.)

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Cersei scrutinizes whatever’s before her (based on a later clip, it’s probably Lancel) and closes her eyes.

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Ramsay and Roose share a father-son moment as the naturalized Bolton boy turns towards his father. To be fair, he’s lost his two human playthings – his bride and his Reek – as well as his girlfriend. He’s probably not feeling too hot.

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We see a burning, flayed corpse strapped into the position of the Bolton sigil burning. Though there are no identifiable physical features to draw upon, the body might be Stannis’ as that does seem like a Boltonesque thing to do to one’s conquered enemy. Also, Melisandre’s following line begins as a voiceover on this image.

All of these Northern battle images look to be from the same huge battle, which was filmed in Saintfield, Northern Ireland. For more extensive spoilers, check out this previous post.

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An emotional Melisandre tells Davos, “The great victory I saw in the flames … all of it was a lie.” Aw, Mel.

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Jorah and Daario arrive on horseback to the site of Dany’s abduction and of course Jorah finds the ring that she dropped at the end of season 5.

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Daenerys is walking (not riding – a good indication of how her Dothraki captors are treating her) to Vaes Dothrak.

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“Every one of us is poor and powerless, yet we can overthrow an empire,” the High Sparrow says, as we already heard (albeit with a different delivery) in the House Lannister promo. It’s a good line, though. I understand why they’re capitalizing on it.

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Book-readers will know what this gathering of Ironborn men is, on the coast in the Iron Islands. We received spoilers about the filming of this big scene back in September.

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Sansa appears to have acquired shelter and a fur coat since her jump, though the tear rolling down her cheek indicates that she’s still less than cheerful. Perhaps she’s at the Wall learning of Jon Snow’s demise?

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“You’re in the great game, now. And the great game is terrifying,” Tyrion says. I’m guessing he says this to Missandei and/or Grey Worm (though, for the record, the editing makes it look like he’s speaking to Sansa, which is sort of cool).

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Here we have Drogon (unless Viserion or Rhaegal managed to escape) apparently not rescuing his mother…

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Lancel tells Cersei, “Order your man to step aside or there will be violence.”

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… to which Cersei answers, “I choose violence.” This leads us to a quick-cut montage of ass-kicking, slicing and battling.

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Also, this is not going to work out well for Lancel and his creepy boyband.

Six men unsheathe their swords. Given how Eddard-like the man in the front looks, plus the setting that matches the terrain outside Castillo de Zafra, Spain, there’s no doubt this is a Tower of Joy flashback.

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Alliser Thorne and Bowen Marsh break through a tunnel.

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Based on the editing (which might be misleading) Tommen and Cersei approach one another (with her pet Kingsguard trailing Cersei).

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Horses in a battle …

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Ships in a stormy sea. We can’t see the sigil on the sails. They may an Ironborn fleet or perhaps the ship that Gilly and Sam are on. Or perhaps something else altogether.

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The Waif slaps Arya across the face. So we’re playing this game again? Also , can we get a light in the House of Black and White?

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Petyr Baelish. Just … standing there. Unfazed. As he does.

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Margaery huddles in her dungeon, more or less as we saw her last in season 5.

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A rider runs down someone on foot. (Hmm probably not a free-moving ball of fire as I’d first thought.) It looks like a ball of fire attached to a chain. An unusual choice of weapon for attacking.

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Archers (wearing Bolton-styled helmets, though the sigil on their flag isn’t clear) release their arrows.

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There appears to be an explosion. Given the doors we can see and the color scheme, this looks like the room atop the pyramid Daenerys prefers to use in Meereen. With her away, Tyrion, Missandei and the others are likely using it now to rule the city.

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We get a brief shot of Theon looking distressed as usual, as men with dogs (presumably sent by Ramsay) appear to have caught up with him.

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We get our first look at a notably eyepatchless Euron Greyjoy (played by Pilou Asbæk) being baptized in the way of the Iron Islanders, which involves drowning. Behind him stands a white-haired Drowned priest that is most likely Aeron Greyjoy, his brother.

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Apparently whatever Jaime said to Cersei has rekindled their passion.

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Brienne kills a soldier (unambiguously and onscreen, I might add). Given the snowy forest backdrop and similar lighting to the shot of Theon, it’s reasonable to suspect that she’s taking out one of the Bolton men in pursuit of Sansa and Theon.

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A hand (possibly Melisandre’s) before a fire.

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A shot of the Hall of Faces. In case we had forgotten what it looked like.

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Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.

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Jon Snow, still dead. Definitely not coming back. *Ahem*

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Arya leaps from a building in Braavos. Several spoilers out of Girona, Spain provided more details as to this scene. Head on over to an earlier post for spoilers!

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Bolton soldiers prepare for battle. With so many shots of this battle, it’s looking to be a massive one for season six.

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Yara Greyjoy kisses a woman.

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Oh, boy. Euron Greyjoy de-hoods atop a rope bridge. On a stormy night! *claps hands with jubilation*

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A Targaryen-armored knight fights two men whose faces we don’t see. The one on the left wears Northern Stark leathers. Given the terrain and situation, this looks to be part of the Tower of Joy scene as well. There’s still a question as to why we’d see a knight in Targaryen armor and not white Kingsguard armor, as we expected.

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Tormund Giantsbane turns around dramatically in the midst of battle, with the limb of the Bolton’s flayed-man sigil behind him. Most likely from the same big fight scene we’re looking forward to for episode nine in season six.

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In the heat of battle, we see a black-haired man fighting who looks awfully familiar … hmm …

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Could it be?

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Margaery kneels before the High Sparrow, much the way Cersei did for her confession last season.

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Filthy women stand in what looks vaguely like a crypt

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Blind Arya provides more nightmare fuel.

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Tyrell soldiers and Jaime Lannister on a white horse confront the Faith Militant on the steps of the Great Sept of Baelor. For more details and spoilers on this scene, visit this post.

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Sansa runs through what is probably the same forest that Theon and Brienne were in. It’s reasonable to guess that she’s running from the same men who have Theon cornered and whom Brienne is slicing up.

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Dothraki warriors charge (though the editing makes it look like they’re chasing Sansa…)

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Wildling men, likewise, charge into battle

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It all builds up to a shot of Bran (who’s standing so this is a vision), turning around to see …

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Is the Night’s King seeing Bran, or is he seeing though him (more likely) to the other people in the vision, victims of the White Walkers as they move further south? We can see a White Walker standing just behind the Night’s King’s arm.

Finally, by the still-lifeless body of Jon Snow, Davos grabs Longclaw and says, “I’ve never been much of a fighter. Apologies for what you’re about to see.” He unsheathes it as two brothers of the Night’s Watch advance towards him. It certainly looks like he plans to steal Jon Snow’s body.

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So, what do you think of the new trailer? Which characters were you most excited to see and which ones were you disappointed not to see? Tell us below.

937 Comments

  1. It’s a stretch but what if the dark hooded figure in the horse with the ball of fire is Coldhands aka Benjen Stark?

  2. The hooded person on the horse running down someone with a fireball is too big to be a Child of the forest. And i think thats a wight hes hitting and thats Meera on the right. Like in the Inside GoT season 6 video.

    Benjen Stark or Coldhands, maybe???

  3. Melisandre:
    The great victory I saw in the flames … all of it was a lie.”

    Nope: it was ironic! 😀

  4. Lyannaes: SANSA !!!

    Um, Hodor has an H. And and O. Then a D, another O and and R. Congratulations: you failed to get a single letter correct!

    (With apologies to Black Adder….. 😀 )

  5. About the last shot, those Night’s Watch brothers are the ones loyal to Jon Snow, and as Davos unsheathes Longclaw they do as well, readying their swords to fight Thorne and his mutineers after they breakdown the door. I have a feeling Edd is in the same room as them.

  6. I think the one with Cersei crying is not her looking at Lancel but looking or waiting for Jaime to return at the dock, maybe she’s even looking at him rowing in with Myrcella’s body.

  7. You could be wrong about the “Filthy women stand in what looks vaguely like a crypt” scene.

    That may be Varys’ birds stabbing Kevan.
  8. Robles,

    Coldhands is not Benjen Stark, that’s been confirmed by GRRM.

    The picture of Cersei crying is most likely her awaiting Jamie and Myrcella’s arrival and seeing her corpse covered with a golden shroud, just like in one of the pictures they released.
    Oh and that is Ghost guarding Jon’s body in the last pic btw

  9. Two things,
    1. The flags in the shot of men drawing arrows with helmets “that resemble those of the Boltons” is a red backdrop with a chain in and X patter, representative of house Umbrr which we’ve seen a few times in season 1.
    2. Allistor Thorne and the Night’s Watch are bot walking into a tunnel. Infact, you can tell that they are on an elevated platform with the courtyard of castle black right behind them. It seems as if they are breaking into one of the rooms, interestingly enough, the door that they break down is strikeingly similar to the one we see behing Davos in the last shot.

  10. That hand. That ring.

    Doesn’t that look like the ring Dany in the meadow at the end of season 5? Someone grabbing a metal brazier full of fire better not be too sensitive to heat. I think Dany lights someone or something up on her own, trying to escape with help from Jorah + Daario.

  11. Great job focusing down on the dark haired rider in the battle with some serious flow going on…

    but it can’t be… he’s DEAD… right HBO?

    would be really funny if they unintentionally spoiled themselves by adding a shot of Tormund which accidentally has Jon Snow/Stark/Targ/AA/PTWP in the background

  12. SerbMaster,

    I think you’re right, the Umbers are supposed to be fighting alongside the Boltons, and we do see the Bolton banner flying just behind that one.

  13. Excellent breakdown. It us a great trailer. It starts slowly and subdued, but crescendos around halfway through to a thrilling second half.

    I was very disappointed with the teaser we got last month, but this just about makes up for it. In a way it was nice for it to come out of the blue and was a lovely surprise.

  14. I think they decided to put the Targaryen symbol on the armor to emphasize just who this knight is fighting for. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they never did establish that the Kingsguard is supposed to wear wear white armor, they just wore white cloaks. Then again, if a king or queen wanted them to wear something different then they would have to abide by their wishes to the best of their ability.

    I said it awhile ago but I’m sure that knight is Arthur Dayne. He doesn’t have any special sword here so maybe I’m wrong or maybe they just didn’t give him one. (Considering how much information from the books they can’t relate to the audience because of time, it is certainly possible).

  15. The shot of the horses riding into battle. The white horse that is the focus looks like the same horse that possibly Jon(?) is riding in the later shot.

  16. The screen shot of a Bolton shield wall: looks like the Wildlings are about to be on the receiving end of those spears; they’re on foot, some of their coats are in the patched-style the Wildlings wear, and one of them is wielding an ax. I get the feeling the Wildlings are going to be severely overmatched in that battle. 🙁

    Damn, I’ve never seen Melisandre look so devastated and defeated.

    That burning man on the Bolton cross is the stuff of nightmares. The Boltons are some seriously sick bastards.

  17. That Bran+NK still… maybe it’s Bran seeing what’s going on (or was going on) at Hardhome? Maybe not, but worth a shot. Also, interesting that the Three-Eyed Raven isn’t with him.

    About Brienne, Sansa and Theon: any chance Brienne returns to the Riverlands to tell Jaime that she found Sansa and has sent her somewhere safe, like he required? And, doesn’t blind Arya look just like a wight? *shivers*

  18. Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
    Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
    2 White Harbor
    3 The Mummers Dragon
    4 My Lord
    5 The Last Heir
    6 Winds of Winter
    7 Crows Eye
    8 Warriors of Light
    9The Long Night
    10 Valonqar

    Admin Edit: This list is fake. It’s a fake that has been going around for months. Stop spreading it. -Sue the Fury

  19. For the last picture where Davos draws his sword, it seems like ghost is next to Jon… Have the mutineers killed him also, or is he just sleeping/guarding him.

    Also let’s bring back Nymeria into the story. \o/

  20. I don’t think that’s someone throwing fireballs. It looks more like someone swinging a torch in big circles, or a container with something burning in it at the end of a rope, like a priest swinging a censer.

  21. I really think (or at least really want to believe) that the Arya picture with the white eyes is her warging… exploring/growing that ability would add a lot of range to her character arc

  22. Wait, Melissandre confess to Davos that she didn’t tell the whole truth or that she had been lied to by the flames/religion?

  23. robohodor:
    Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
    Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
    2 White Harbor
    3 The Mummers Dragon
    4 My Lord
    5 The Last Heir
    6 Winds of Winter
    7 Crows Eye
    8 Warriors of Light
    9The Long Night
    10 Valonqar

    What??? Where did you get these??

  24. robohodor:
    Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
    Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
    2 White Harbor
    3 The Mummers Dragon
    4 My Lord
    5 The Last Heir
    6 Winds of Winter
    7 Crows Eye
    8 Warriors of Light
    9The Long Night
    10 Valonqar

    Proof that they’re official?

  25. Robles,

    George already said that Benjen was not Cold Hands. In the books, Cold Hands kills the mutineers at Caster’s Keep and leads Bran and company to the 3 Eyed Raven.

  26. Rich Gimbert:
    Robles,

    George already said that Benjen was not Cold Hands.In the books, Cold Hands kills the mutineers at Caster’s Keep and leads Bran and company to the 3 Eyed Raven.

    Really wish they added him to the show. Any reason why they didn’t?

  27. A thought occurs: Yara is prone to messing with people, this is a woman who let her long-lost brother feel her up purely so she could mock him for unknowing incestuous action later.

    So if the shot is of her kissing another woman, maybe she’s just messing with a crowd of ironborn warriors – you know, kissing the prostitute they’re passing around to get them excited and stuff. Scene might be taken out of context.

  28. robohodor:
    Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
    Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
    2 White Harbor
    3 The Mummers Dragon
    4 My Lord
    5 The Last Heir
    6 Winds of Winter
    7 Crows Eye
    8 Warriors of Light
    9The Long Night
    10 Valonqar

    These have been out there since last summer. Fake.

  29. It’s seems to me the question, it Davos is in a room full of enemies who could he be talking to when saying “I am not a very good fighter I apologize for what your about to see” maybe Ghost??

  30. As much as the fantastic shot of Bran and the Night’s King was chilling when I first watched it, I can only giggle at Bran’s expression now. Hee hee!

  31. We book people often forget how important costume is to film for conveying instant visual cues to the audience. In a fight there are distinct uniforms so you instantly know who is fighting for whom.

    From that point of view I’m saying there is know way the Targaryen Kingsguard in the ToJ flashback wear the same outfits the Baratheon/Lannister KG wear in the show. Yes careful viewers would know that the same organization that Jamie and Sir Grandfather served in under the Mad King is the one serving Tommen today and even 20 years ago they could have the same style armor. Doesn’t matter, the logic of costuming dictates that if you are showing a different faction in a different time period you don’t use the same look.

    Heck, even stormtroopers serving the Old Republic, the Empire, and the First Order don’t have identical armor. Same reason, you have to show the time shift visually.

  32. robohodor:
    Oppp….smore spoilers below, the official list….
    Episode 1, TBA for obvious reasons
    2 White Harbor
    3 The Mummers Dragon
    4 My Lord
    5 The Last Heir
    6 Winds of Winter
    7 Crows Eye
    8 Warriors of Light
    9The Long Night
    10 Valonqar

    Lol, “The Mummer’s Dragon” should tell you right away that this is a fake.

  33. “We’re the only ones who matter and everything they’ve taken from us we’re going to take back and more” (I’m assuming he’s not referring to Myrcella, here.)

    Will they bring back Myrcella, Robert-Strong style?

    Davos stands alone by a pile of wood and ash- perhaps the site of Shireen’s burning?

    The way his cloak blows from the bottom, I got the impression he could be at the top of the wall.

    We do know that the Children of the Forest are returning in season 6, since Bran and the Three-Eyed Raven are back in play. And as we saw in season 4, outside the Three-Eyed Raven’s cave, the Children use balls of fire.

    The CotF used magic balls of fire they threw, not fireballs that swing around on a chain. And, as others have said, the rider seems large.

    A hand (possibly Melisandre’s) before a fire.

    Given her lack of rings, I lean toward Dany – a cleaned-up version, as others have said.

    In the heat of battle, we see a black-haired man fighting who looks awfully familiar … hmm …

    In possibly a different clash, we see Tormond (and no, that one charging horseman in the background is not the character you think it might be). –http://www.ew.com/article/2016/03/08/game-thrones-season-6-trailer-questions

  34. That snapshot with Sansa looking sad, along with Tyrion’s voice in the background strongly reminded me of this quote from Storm:
    “Her hair was a rich autumn auburn, her eyes a deep Tully blue. Grief had given her a haunted, vulnerable look; if anything, it had only made her more beautiful.”

  35. I GUARANTEE the Littlefinger & Sansa running scenes are together.

    I GUARANTEE the Davos with Longclaw & the breaking down of the door scenes are together.

  36. Aren’t those ships IB? The weather and lighting match up with Euron taking his hood off.

  37. A hand (possibly Melisandre’s) before a fire.

    The hand is Daenerys’s – it’s her mother’s ring.

    I explain this in the Costumes article on Daenerys: http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Costumes%3A_Major_Characters#Daenerys_Targaryen

    This isn’t in the novels, and never explained on-screen, but once Emilia Clarke explained in an interview is that an idea they came up with is that despite ALL of the costume changes Daenerys goes through, the one constant is that she always wears this one ring – because it belonged to her mother, Queen Rhaella. Even if they had to sell her mother’s crown, they hung onto one of her ring. And indeed, she has been wearing this ring since the series premiere at her wedding to Drogo.

    Melisandre doesn’t even wear rings.

    I’ve never had a very clear closeup of the ring before, but she wears it on her index finger, not her ring finger. It isn’t the one she drops in the hope her followers will find it — in the next shot you can see she still has another ring on her index finger.

  38. the fan breakdown in the comment section of the trailer post is actually more accurate, you just need to have enough patience to filter through the misunderstandings

  39. Davos always is precise on his words. What could possibly be THAT weird to make him say ‘apologies for what you are about to see’? What if instead of preparing to fight against Alliser Thorne and co, Davos is doing something with that sword, and with Jon’s corpse, and maybe with Ghost, resulting in something completely out of this world? hurting Jon’s body to show a certain reaction, or a connection between him and Ghost, or with the sword?

  40. Mi,

    Yes, that looks like the scene and the outfit she was wearing when Jaime and Myrcella return. We saw some pics of the filming with the Mountain in the background. She has tears in her eyes. I imagine she is looking at the boat with Myrcella’s covered body coming towards the shore.

    I think that is Jaime on the ship’s deck…looking towards King’s Landing. We have also gotten a still of him looking handsome on deck.

    It also looks like Roose just told Ramsey something he didn’t like to hear. The look on his face when he turns back towards his father… Yeah…something is up.

    I hope that isn’t Davos next to Shireen’s funeral pyre. If he reaches down and picks up a burnt, wooden stag, I will lose it! Will he be traveling back that direction or will he stay at the wall? Hmmm.

  41. They spoiled the Jon twist by showing Tormund and other wildlings fighting the Bolton army. No way would they be doing that for anyone but Jon or Tormund who’s following Jon’s lead.

  42. Love the sexytime going on in it, but I have to wonder… where exactly is Yara in that shot? That clearly isn’t the Iron Islands. I’ll assume she leaves Pyke per the books, but she’s obviously not gonna be Stannis’s prisoner. Could she take Vic’s role from the books and head to Meereen, and could that other girl be the Dusky Woman or some equivalent character?

  43. Connor,

    Agreed. It’s not magical fire. It’s like a flaming ball and chain. It would be nice to start learning where some of the MIA are, especially since Benjen was invoked last season.

  44. In the screengrab of the man on the horse plus fireball, are there figures on the ground to the right? I can’t tell if its a pile of rocks or someone slumped in the snow …. if it’s the latter it could be Meera or Hodor or Bran? They’re on their last legs when someone comes in and saves them…

    This could be Coldhands (or a version of Coldhands), belatedly introduced. Now whether that’s Benjen or not, who knows. GRMM’s draft note (“no”) seemed to nix that theory. It’s possible, however, that the show is combining Coldhands and Benjen into one anyway, since we know they like to condense characters. I can’t think who else it would be so far north since the figure is too large to be a child of the forest.

    edit: Just saw people don’t think this is a fireball … just a fight then?

  45. The rider with the fire on chain/rope is dressed in black. If that is meera on the right, then I really can’t think of anyone else that would fit the bill other than Benjen.

    Also, if Davos steals Jon’s body to be resurected or whatever they are going to do with it…where would he take it? Nightfort?

  46. Ginevra,

    Davos can’t be atop the Wall because plants don’t grow from the ice on 700 ft high up in the air. See the plant stalks on the left side of the picture? That is likely the pyre site where Shireen was burned.

  47. Who is the person to the right of Davos? The hand is all I can make out and it looks feminine.

  48. Oh, boy. Euron Greyjoy de-hoods atop a rope bridge. On a stormy night! *claps hands with jubilation*

    Seinfeld joke:

    “Will you tell the jury how you would describe Euron Greyjoy’s reaction when he was informed of his brother’s death?”

    “I would best describe it as ‘restrained jubiliation’…”

  49. Abyss,

    And I will thank you for them, again (although I won’t repost the “Thank You” video I posted for you on the other thread). 🙂

  50. “Wicked Game” performed by James Vincent McMurrow plays,

    Please correct the singer’s name,it’s James Vincent McMorrow

  51. The Ghost and Jon picture is similar to a cross with jon perpendicular to ghost. The visual symbolism seems sacrificial from a ‘christian’ context. Ghost I think is being sacrificed.

  52. Abyss,

    OMG I almost pissed myself at Shit is On and Shit is On Even More titles. Loved also the I Fucked Up and Bros on a Search too. Extremely accurate.

    Thanks!

  53. msd,

    That is Meera because we see her in that Behind the Scenes video that was recently released in that exact position, by a tree, except it was filmed in daylight so that is a camera filter or post-editing to make it seem like nighttime.
    If that is Benjen coming to the rescue, then I guess he just found a horse somewhere, because last we saw in season 1, his horse returned to Castle Black.

  54. The hands resting on Jon’s body & over his eyes are Sansa. The black fur matches the fur she is wearing in the picture where she seems sad. And I recognize her hands.
    She’s made it to castle Black only to find Jon dead (cough).

    Davos & men – & Ghost are guarding Jon’s body from Thorne etc who are about to break through the door. Ghost very much alive and standing ready to launch – which I cannot wait for!

    I agree it looks like Daeny’s hand near the fire – about to prove she is heat tolerant? Wondering where her bouncing baby boy is?

  55. Thomas Sandstone: I think they decided to put the Targaryen symbol on the armor to emphasize just who this knight is fighting for. Correct me if I’m wrong, but they never did establish that the Kingsguard is supposed to wear wear white armor, they just wore white cloaks.

    Exactly, I don’t recall the show ever saying the Kingsguard wear white armor. White cloaks are different, and this Knight would have taken off his cloak while fighting. Visually, it’s nice to have the Targaryen sigil on the armor to signify a different time in history when Targs were in charge.

    Robb Snow: where exactly is Yara in that shot? That clearly isn’t the Iron Islands.

    Wasn’t there some rumor that Yara and Theon end up somewhere in Essos at the end of Season 6? Or am I misremembering? I assumed Yara was in some brothel, somewhere in Essos. A Volantis brothel again, like season 5?

  56. dred,

    No, I disagree. When Davos draws Longclaw he is looking past Ghost at the door being beaten down. I think the NW men with him are Jon loyalists getting ready to defend his body.

  57. Wimsey: Nope: it was ironic!

    Amir:
    It’s seems to me the question, it Davos is in a room full of enemies who could he be talking to when saying “I am not a very good fighter I apologize for what your about to see”maybe Ghost??

    Those are the Nights watch brothers who are loyal to Jon, he is saying it to them before Thorne and his fellow mutineers break down the door

  58. Darjan,

    Yes I thought of that pic too http://watchersonthewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Meera.jpg

    The trailer scene could be the same one, shot day for night. The location sure looks right. I don’t know about horses, I suppose you could find a horse after a few years wandering? If only it was an elk. 🙂 Benjen (merged with Coldhands or not) may be wishful thinking but I just can’t think who else it could be riding to the rescue in the forest like that.

  59. I love the idea the Benjen trick was used last season because we’ll be seeing him this season. I wouldn’t mind it being Coldhands, either.

    Although that sure doesn’t look like a ginourmous elk he’s riding. 😉
  60. Well, if the Nights Watch in the room with Davos were anti-Jon, they probably wouldn’t even let Davos even grab that sword.

    Second…he draws it and doesn’t go into immediate defense and neither do any of the other NW when the start to draw their swords. So they are probably doing a one for all all for one thing.

    Jon is blue as blue can be…lol…like, they are making a point to say, “see, he’s dead…we told you he’s dead”. Hilarious.

  61. I’m calling it now. The last scene of the first episode will be the resurrection of Jon Snow in a nod to the last scene of the first episode in season one. One Stark falls and one

    rises! Epic!

  62. Harrenhal Creep,

    My guess is that “filthy” woman is Lyanna Stark in a Flashblack scene. That is how I imagined her at least, but I cannot make out the other person opposite her to confirm. Any thoughts?

  63. Darjan:
    Ginevra,

    Davos can’t be atop the Wall because plants don’t grow from the ice on 700 ft high up in the air. See the plant stalks on the left side of the picture? That is likely the pyre site where Shireen was burned.

    But if blue roses do… No, I agree. This must be a different spot, possibly Shireen’s spot. It still seems as if he is standing on the edge of a great precipice.

  64. I wonder why Alisser and the mutineers care about Jon’s dead body after they left his corpse to rot in the snow? Or are they after Ghost?

    The Sword(s) Of The Morning looks great, but book fans should get used to the idea that there is no Dawn, and if there is, it won’t be pale as milk.

    Euron on the rope bridge…GAH!!! I don’t care about the lack of eyepatch, Pilou looks menacing!

  65. phantomstrife:
    They spoiled the Jon twist by showing Tormund and other wildlings fighting the Bolton army. No way would they be doing that for anyone but Jon or Tormund who’s following Jon’s lead.

    I think the Boltons are attacking the wildlings because they’re in Bolton territory and want them dead. Then Jon shows up and saves them! I hope Tormund and Wun Wun don’t die though. This is what I’m thinking.

  66. Lord Snow,

    When I did a frame by frame of Arya there it indeed looks like here eyes are normal then she looks up and they are white … much like Bran when he wargs. I have my fingers crossed here 🙂

    after all she does start getting really good at warging while she is blind and is able to best the Kindly Man/Jaqen by warging into a cat
  67. “Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.”

    Hmmmm, food for thought right there.

  68. All you people got me worried about Ghost now in that last frame of the trailer.

    He can’t be dead, he would be sideways.

    It looks like Jon should be laying on a table, like the same kind of table in the background but he looks like his body is just floating there.

    Ghost’s lack of reaction/movement with everyone drawing their swords is a bit odd and unnatural so human eyes pick it up and react by thinking Ghost is dead, the only logical explanation for zero reaction.

    It is probably just bad CGI in regards to CGI interface with environment.

    When everyone draws their swords Ghost should lift his head and draw his teeth or something.

    I think I am just being hyper critical because my expectations are so high that I unfairly pick apart everything.

    After all, the frame is only like 1.5 seconds.

    Perhaps right after that Ghost reacts like a living being and not a dead stage prop.

  69. Kay,

    I do remember reading about that now that you mention it. The Greyjoys will have an interesting storyline this season, it seems.

  70. Arthur: Ghost’s lack of reaction/movement when everyone drawing their swords is a bit odd and unnatural so human eyes pick it up and react by thinking Ghost is dead.

    That isn’t unnatural at all. Predatory animals are amazingly good at keeping completely still in situations of danger or fighting. I would not be surprised if the final edit has Ghost growling the way that a threatened canine would growl: but those often are among the last things added.

    Onion Knight: Tyrion is in the dungeons looking for his Dragon

    That has a ring to it somehow……

    Connor: Really wish they added him to the show. Any reason why they didn’t?

    Simple: the plotting was perfectly smooth without him.

    Lord Snow: I really think (or at least really want to believe) that the Arya picture with the white eyes is her warging… exploring/growing that ability would add a lot of range to her character arc

    When they have shown people warging, they have had white eyes, not milky blue, and they also have had the actors roll their eyes to the top of their eye sockets. This looks like what they showed last year when Arya was blind.

    That written, they’ve only done the white-out, roll-up when a warg is consciously jumping to an animal: I think that Bran’s eyes were still normal when he awoke from wolf-dreams. So, maybe Arya will have waking wolf-dreams due to her blindness.

  71. Firannion: I don’t think that’s someone throwing fireballs

    I would rather it be fireballs! So far, they have been good about avoiding the ridiculous fantasy cliche of having undead be more flammable than gasoline. It is particularly laughable for the wights: it’s hard enough to burn a corpse at room temperature after you drain the blood; you would need a flamethrower to ignite a frozen corpse!

    (And, yes, this is something that the viewers know: everyone who ever has spent any time outdoors knows how hard it is to get cold wet wood burning.)

  72. Ginevra,

    He could if he was sufficiently possessed.

    Ginevra,

    Hmmm. OK, anybody want to positively id the hands as Daenyrs? 😀

    Seriously, I agree: it’s almost certainly a NW member; I’d bet on a loyalist like Edd. (Geez, Edd is Jon’s only friend left at the Wall, isn’t he?)

  73. Kargaryen,

    Thank you! Yes! I thought the same thing when I was reading the commentary-that’s not Mel, it’s Dany. Mel looks into fire, Dany touches it.

  74. Ginevra,

    I thought they were Mel’s hands…and then I thought they were a man’s hands…and then I thought they were Mel’s hands again….
    I’ve settled on Mel because the fabric on the sleeves resembles the fabric on her outfit as she is undressing and I think the lighter color above her arms is her always bare chest.

    Am I over-thinking this and every other little detail in every other picture? Yes! Yes, I am! 🙂

    I do still wonder about that round mark on the back of the left hand.

  75. That explosion near Dany’s Meereen HQ…R&V are on the loose! Barbeque Harpy on the menu tonight!

  76. Thomas Sandstone,

    I agree. If they are simply using the ToJ flashback to sequence to establish the parentage of a certain someone, they would not need to include Dawn or the return of Dawn to the family.

  77. Wow, this is very well done! Here are a few of my thoughts.

    It makes a lot of sense that Davos is at Shireen’s pyre. And it would be a lovely nod to their sweet relationship.

    “Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.”

    I would much rather this than necrophilia, lol. But seriously, it makes a lot of sense! And with Davos having had Long Claw I’m betting it will become the real lightbringer. Hmm, so this could be the end of Mel?

    In respect to Davos’ apology and readying Long Claw, I feel its simply him stating a “I’m a lover nit a fighter” though in his case it would be smuggler instead of lover, and he’s simply saying sorry for the not-pretty style of fighting he’s about to to. As in having no finesse, even though he’s essentially a Knight.

    The figure on a horse doesn’t even have to be Coldhands. I would love for a “The Return of Benjen Stark” theme and like someone else pointed out, D&D have melded two characters into one before so perhaps this may be the case with Benjen and the Coldhands character. Who knows.

    It does seem to me that Theon helps Sansa escape the Bolton boys and “girls” by staying behind as she flees into the woods where somehow, someway she comes upon Littlefinger.

    And I’m pretty sure the flying dragon is Viserion because of the light colouring of its body. It also didn’t seem as big as Drogon and it isn’t supposed to be as big as Rhaegal either.

    Those are some of the thoughts I had about some scenes but as my boy Preston Jacobs says “I’m probably wrong about half of them.” 🙂

  78. When I first watched the trailer, I also thought Tyrion was talking to Sansa and I did a fist pump.

  79. Brendon,

    I don’t either.

    Also, I really don’t think that one shot is Jon. The hair doesn’t look right. We know that

    Jon is wearing a man-bun on the battlefield, so his hair wouldn’t be flying all over the place like that, haha.
  80. scififantasygirl: “Melisandre begins to undress. Given the look on her face, it might be for a reason other than the usual. Though this is total conjecture, I can’t help being reminded of Nissa Nissa baring her breast for Azor Ahai.”

    There might also be a literal and figurative component: literal and figurative uncloaking of Melisandre.

    (I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never pulled off a miracle while wearing clothes…. 😉 )

  81. VisceralVarys,

    That would make sense. Perhaps Davos is even speaking to Sansa. I’m not sure who else he’d be apologizing to for what they’re about to see. It would seem strange to say that to people you’re about to attack, if not convoluted.

  82. Wimsey: Seriously, I agree: it’s almost certainly a NW member; I’d bet on a loyalist like Edd. (Geez, Edd is Jon’s only friend left at the Wall, isn’t he?)

    Yeah, the only surviving Night’s Watch members left at Castle Black who have names and aren’t extras or one-scene characters are Alliser Thorne, Olly, Othell Yarwyck, Bowen Marsh, and Dolorous Edd. Out of that crew, Edd is the only one who didn’t take part in the mutiny.

    If Davos is holed up in a room with Jon’s body and a few loyal members of the Night’s Watch, it makes sense that Edd would be there to serve as their voice, and that he would be the one putting his hand over Jon’s eyes, saying goodbye to his friend. Maybe he helps provide a distraction that enables Davos to smuggle Jon’s body out of Castle Black.

  83. Darjan: If that is Benjen coming to the rescue, then I guess he just found a horse somewhere, because last we saw in season 1, his horse returned to Castle Black.

    How long do horses last, anyway? It could well be dead of old-age by now, as it’s been close to 4 years on the show since then!

    Hey, maybe it’s Thoros having ridden north of the Wall because…. um… er… that reason.

    But regarding Coldhands, I doubt that they would add him now. It is quite possible that his contribution to the plot is done, and anything he might contribute could be done by someone else.

  84. not that I am disagreeing to the young Ned Stark/Tower of Joy theory, but that is a lefty and based on Ned/Jaime dual (S01e05), Ned favours his right hand…

  85. Wow.

    Just like nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition… this trailer came out of nowhere!
    Long time lurker, long time reader, listener of GOO here…

    I’ve read (and it kinda looks evident to me) that the Nights King looks different from the previous season and I concur wholeheartedly.

    However, this show and the books being what they are… after giving it further thought and adding further context to it from the many discussions read around the fandom, and the official GRRM canon that’s out there.

    (I won’t mention the approximately 6 thousand people I called today yelling like a little girl to have them to STOP WHAT THEY WERE DOING IMMEDIATELY TO WATCH THIS TRAILER.)

    I propose that this particular vision that Bran is in is not of events of the present, (because HBO gave us that in the form of the trailer today…/RIMSHOT.. See what I did there.. two shows nightly folks, I’m here all week)

    I think Bran and Bloodraven are instead seeing the events of the first long night and this is the Nights King from then?

    Hadn’t both GRRM (and D&B) mentioned that the Nights King we saw in Hardhome wasn’t the same one from the original long night?

    Although, if you compare the Nights King that we saw change Craster’s baby into a White Walker at that altar in season 4 (I wanna say episode 2?) he looks nothing like the one we saw in Hardhome or this one.

    I’m still a bit confused about the Nights King to begin with… There was the 13th Lord commander who had a relationship with what seems to be a night walker queen… was this the same Night’s king who was the one who fought the children of the forest the first long night? Or was he just running things at the wall, a little north and south of it doing his white walkery thing for some years not bothering anyone.

    I’d assume since the King of the North and the King Beyond the wall banded together to get rid of him, he was trouble with a capital T.

    That would make 3 different Night Kings?

    Must.
    Stop.
    Thinking.
    Now.
    Head.
    Exploding.

    @GOO Peeps, maybe you’ve had some discussion regarding this?

  86. Jared: Maybe he helps provide a distraction that enables Davos to smuggle Jon’s body out of Castle Black.

    Well, remember that Melisandre is there herself, and there is no reason why she cannot revive Jon there: as we saw with Thoros and Beric, it is not involved. However, at that point they probably will have to flee Castle Black: I kind of doubt that Jon’s going to win many popularity contests there any time soon. Hopefully not too many of the Wildlings are about to get slaughtered: that would seem just damn depressing after all they’ve been through.

  87. tiny direwolf,

    The figure on the horse is a strong fighter and rider who seems experienced in killing wights with fire. Not likely to be Hodor or Bran.

    Agree with others that Davos is apologising for being a scrappy sword fighter just as he and the NWs who’re loyal to Jon prepare to fight Alliser and co. I assume they want to get in to burn Jon’s body, although it’s possible they got wind of a resurrection plan and are trying to prevent it.

  88. The Old Brown Wookiee: Although, if you compare the Nights King that we saw change Craster’s baby into a White Walker at that altar in season 4 (I wanna say episode 2?) he looks nothing like the one we saw in Hardhome or this one.

    Really? I noticed no difference! Richard Brake played the Night’s King the two prior times, and that looks like him there, too.

  89. msd: although it’s possible they got wind of a resurrection plan and are trying to prevent it.

    How would there be a plan of which to get wind? The only person who knows that Jon can be revived is Melisandre, and there is no reason why she would tell anyone else. (There is no indication on the show that this ability is well-known outside of the Red Church or that anybody else can do such a thing.) Still, the Nationalists might be trying to prevent the Loyalists from absconding with Jon’s body, which would be the same for all intents and purposes.

    Given that Mel could probably blast her way past a few swordsman, I wonder if she’ll just turn up and do things on her own. Still, we have to ask: why is Davos there? What is Jon to him? But would he do this for Mel? He’s not a fan, and their mutual friend is now dead.

    Riddles in the dark….

  90. It doesn’t need to be that they are explicitly trying to stop a resurrection. They do know to burn the dead, and anyone trying to prevent that would immediately be suspicious.

  91. Kilgore Tully,

    True: and as I noted, for all intents and purposes, it would be the same thing.

    What I wonder about more is: what is happening near Castle Black? How are the Nationalists handling the Wildlings?

  92. The Old Brown Wookiee:
    Wow.

    Just like nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition…this trailer came out of nowhere!
    Long time lurker, long time reader, listener of GOO here…

    I’ve read (and it kinda looks evident to me) that the Nights King looks different from the previous season and I concur wholeheartedly.

    However, this show and the books being what they are… after giving it further thought and adding further context to it from the many discussions read around the fandom, and the official GRRM canon that’s out there.

    (I won’t mention the approximately 6 thousand people I called today yelling like a little girl to have them to STOP WHAT THEY WERE DOING IMMEDIATELY TO WATCH THIS TRAILER.)

    I propose that this particular vision that Bran is in is not of events of the present, (because HBO gave us that in the form of the trailer today…/RIMSHOT.. See what I did there.. two shows nightly folks, I’m here all week)

    I think Bran and Bloodraven are instead seeing the events of the first long night and this is the Nights King from then?

    Hadn’t both GRRM (and D&B) mentioned that the Nights King we saw in Hardhome wasn’t the same one from the original long night?

    Although, if you compare the Nights King that we saw change Craster’s baby into a White Walker at that altar in season 4 (I wanna say episode 2?) he looks nothing like the one we saw in Hardhome or this one.

    I’m still a bit confused about the Nights King to begin with… There was the 13th Lord commander who had a relationship with what seems to be a night walker queen… was this the same Night’s king who was the one who fought the children of the forest the first long night? Or was he just running things at the wall, a little north and south of it doing his white walkery thing for some years not bothering anyone.

    I’d assume since the King of the North and the King Beyond the wall banded together to get rid of him, he was trouble with a capital T.

    That would make 3 different Night Kings?

    Must.
    Stop.
    Thinking.
    Now.
    Head.
    Exploding.

    @GOO Peeps, maybe you’ve had some discussion regarding this?

    It’s the present NK. They just alter his look each season slightly since his screen time continues to grow as does the budget.

  93. weirwood,

    True but if you look in the other shot with the Kingsguard/Arthur Dayne, the person that is probably Ned is holding a shield in the left hand and I’m guessing a sword in the right.

  94. Wimsey: How long do horses last, anyway?It could well be dead of old-age by now, as it’s been close to 4 years on the show since then!

    Hey, maybe it’s Thoros having ridden north of the Wall because…. um… er… that reason.

    But regarding Coldhands, I doubt that they would add him now.It is quite possible that his contribution to the plot is done, and anything he might contribute could be done by someone else.

    I doubt it’s him, otherwise he would be riding a great elk, unless they decided to just go with a horse. But I’m hoping it’s Benjen. Gotta be.

  95. In the last picture, that is Ghost near Jon’s head right? I hope Ghost isn’t dead as well! But then why does he seem to be lying down?

  96. Shruti:
    In the last picture, that is Ghost near Jon’s head right? I hope Ghost isn’t dead as well! But then why does he seem to be lying down?

    Because he’s sad/sleeping. Direwolves lay down.

  97. Wimsey: Really?I noticed no difference!Richard Brake played the Night’s King the two prior times, and that looks like him there, too.

    His nose looks bigger. Idk, must be the way it was shot or something. I’m hoping it’s Richard Brake still.

  98. Repeating a thought from the other thread, I think Bran and the Night’s King are bumping into each other in the weirnet. Or maybe Bran tries some spying but the Night’s King can “see” him because he knows how to use it, too. Either way, I think the look on the Night’s King’s face is saying, “Oh shit, they’ve got a greenseer!?”

    It would be really cool if Bran parallels Jon with the psychic version of the Hardhome staredown, only this time the good guy gets the “How you like me now?” moment.

    Also, who cares if the Night’s King looks a bit different? Maybe his horns grow and he’s got a huge closet and the first time we saw him he had just gotten a chemical peel. When you look at how much the human [and dragon, and wolf] characters have changed over the seasons, it would just be weird to trot out the exact same look for a major villain.

  99. The Old Brown Wookiee,

    Best comment. I think there might be two Night King’s, one being the ex-Lord Commander, and the current Night King, who may or may not have been the Night King during the Long Night. Remember the Long Night took place before the ex-Lord Commander defected and became the Night King.

    Here’s my theory. The Night King is a title passed down through a royal bloodline, similar to how the major Houses of Westeros pass down their titles, particularly the Targaryens. This goes more into the Ice VS Fire. The royal family of Ice VS the royal family of Fire.

    Down the line the title passed to the maid (who is most likely an Other), she had a child with the current Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch to continue the line. Either due to prophesy or male preference in titles.

    It would be spooky if a prophesy stated an Other must mate with one of the First Men, possibly as part of some deal/treaty of Versailles at the end of the Long Night. That their line would lead to the White Walker Prince that was promised to fight Azor Ahai, since that the Great Other is the opposing God to the Red God.

    I dunno, it does my head in.

  100. Wimsey,

    “Got wind” as in Mel outright says she can bring him back, which provokes a confrontation. Or they just want to get in and burn his body.

    Davos had a conversation with Jon last season where he said Stannis “saw something” special in him. Stannis’ view of Jon would be enough for Davos, I think, with or without Mel saying something else. His loyalty doesn’t seem weird to me.

  101. Yeah, I’m pretty sure Davos is with friendly people, Jon’s supporters, in that scene, or else Ghost would destroy him.

    EDIT: Also, they did a good job of picking an actor that looks a lot like Theon as Euron Greyjoy.

  102. The Game of thrones trailer on YouTube, from their official page is at 3,753,068 views and is trending on youtube 🙂

  103. Wimsey: There might also be a literal and figurative component: literal and figurative uncloaking of Melisandre.

    (I mean, I don’t know about you, but I’ve never pulled off a miracle while wearing clothes…. )

    HBO would never allow any miracle to be peformed fully clothed, lol. But that would be visually captivating if Jon’s sword plunged into her naked chest becoming Lightbringer. A great throwback to the original AA 🙂

  104. I keep staring at the Night’s King wondering what it is that looks so different. It finally hit me that he’s showing teeth! He doesn’t look as menacing with his mouth open & slight buck teeth.

    About the Alliser and company breaking down the door to get to Jon’s corpse: what I’m curious about is why did they leave his corpse out in the snow to begin with? If they were so keen on burning him upon death, why leave him out there long enough for Davos to get his hands on him. Did Alliser & Co go get a bite to eat before returning for Jon’s body? Did they not think someone might stumble upon his body while they left it unattended. These mutineers aren’t very smart.

  105. Kilgore Tully:
    It doesn’t need to be that they are explicitly trying to stop a resurrection. They do know to burn the dead, and anyone trying to prevent that would immediately be suspicious.

    That’s a great point and makes a lot of sense!

  106. Shruti:
    In the last picture, that is Ghost near Jon’s head right? I hope Ghost isn’t dead as well! But then why does he seem to be lying down?

    I don’t think Ghost is lying down. Jon is on a table. You can see it in a previous image where someone is closing Jon’s eyes. His head is right at the edge of the table. In the last image of the trailer, Ghost is standing at the edge of that table/next to Jon’s head. If Ghost were lying down we wouldn’t be able to see so much of his body. He’s standing, IMO, and he’s just so damn tall now that he’s the same height as that table. And if he’s standing then he can’t be dead.

  107. They’re probably eager to burn Jon so he doesn’t come back as a wight. In fact after what I’ve seen, I think that’s gonna be the angle of the resurrection scene: there will be a sense of urgency to burn his remains so he doesn’t return as a wight, and an initial sense of fear and apprehension when he finally does get up… before revealing that he’s completely fine.

  108. dred,

    I agree. Maybe he gets sacrificed so that Jon can live?

    OMG I just can’t wait to see what they will do. I’ve been done the books since Dance with Dragons came out, so I’m thinking anything is possible!

  109. House Applebee:
    The Old Brown Wookiee,

    Best comment. I think there might be two Night King’s, one being the ex-Lord Commander, and the current Night King, who may or may not have been the Night King during the Long Night. Remember the Long Night took place before the ex-Lord Commander defected and became the Night King.

    Here’s my theory. The Night King is a title passed down through a royal bloodline, similar to how the major Houses of Westeros pass down their titles, particularly the Targaryens. This goes more into the Ice VS Fire. The royal family of Ice VS the royal family of Fire.

    Down the line the title passed to the maid (who is most likely an Other), she had a child with the current Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch to continue the line. Either due to prophesy or male preference in titles.

    It would be spooky if a prophesy stated an Other must mate with one of the First Men, possibly as part of some deal/treaty of Versailles at the end of the Long Night. That their line would lead to the White Walker Prince that was promised to fight Azor Ahai, since that the Great Other is the opposing God to the Red God.

    I dunno, it does my head in.

    Definitely food for thought.

  110. House Applebee:
    The Old Brown Wookiee,

    Best comment. I think there might be two Night King’s, one being the ex-Lord Commander, and the current Night King, who may or may not have been the Night King during the Long Night. Remember the Long Night took place before the ex-Lord Commander defected and became the Night King.


    Here’s my theory. The Night King is a title passed down through a royal bloodline, similar to how the major Houses of Westeros pass down their titles, particularly the Targaryens. This goes more into the Ice VS Fire. The royal family of Ice VS the royal family of Fire.

    Down the line the title passed to the maid (who is most likely an Other), she had a child with the current Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch to continue the line. Either due to prophesy or male preference in titles.

    It would be spooky if a prophesy stated an Other must mate with one of the First Men, possibly as part of some deal/treaty of Versailles at the end of the Long Night. That their line would lead to the White Walker Prince that was promised to fight Azor Ahai, since that the Great Other is the opposing God to the Red God.

    I dunno, it does my head in.

    Greeeeeaaat… That’s something I hadn’t thought about at all!!! Phenomenal theory there!! Think that made my day more so than the trailer!!

    Look at how little we know about the Others, this would be an amazing reveal and a nice parallel to the recurring theme of different forms of Ice and Fire.
    (Lyanna and Rhaegar’s Union/relationship/romp being another I can come up with offhand.)
    (Maybe the thing with that Jon Snow guy that we no nothing about)

    In the entire time I’ve been reading these books and all the material I’ve come across I can’t say that I ever thought of a royal lineage to the Other bloodline. Very exciting if something like that gets revealed. Crasters children could play some part in this as well. Perhaps his bloodline, which must contain some of the First Men’s, is part of that treaty and the Other’s hierarchy.

    It’s hiding in plain sight really.
    It’s the other side of the coin.

    Of course there has to be someone on the Others side to be the one to give the warrior of fire a run for their money. Like you said It is a song of Ice and Fire. The important underlying thing of this entire story is the bigger conflict brewing and not the war of the kings that’s basically been filler.

    The slow build up of the magic elements peppered throughout the TV series and the books… It’s the first game in a double header. The main game is about to begin with the Others and the Red God.

    The reality of this world that people are oblivious to is about to turn all of the petty squandering going on everywhere on Planetos on its ass.

    I don’t think it’ll happen this season, but in the next two I’d love to see all the proverbial sh*t hit the fan.

    I picked the wrong day to quit smoking.
    And Sniffing glue.

    My mind is now blown again for the 30th time today. Great reply House Applebee!!

    In retrospect I should’ve called you first before I did the 6000! Although, in your defense, the scream would’ve probably been my loudest one of the day. I may or may not have been coherent.

  111. Robb Snow:
    They’re probably eager to burn Jon so he doesn’t come back as a wight. In fact after what I’ve seen, I think that’s gonna be the angle of the resurrection scene: there will be a sense of urgency to burn his remains so he doesn’t return as a wight, and an initial sense of fear and apprehension when he finally does get up… before revealing that he’s completely fine.

    Doesn’t look too urgent at the beginning of the trailer. He’s bleeding out with not a soul in sight.

  112. Brendon,

    First mark below her right eye is a skin blemish, second one might be a tear but the picture isn’t sharp enough to tell for sure.

  113. Quick question does any1 know how I can download the trailer to my iPhone it’s iOS 9

  114. VisceralVarys,

    Not Sansa, that person is wearing leather, also I went over Sansa scene in normal mode in you tube, and it’s not a tear it’s a skin blemish (2) under her right eye folks.

  115. grailking,

    Went over the Sansa fur scene in normal speed and the quality is better then the stills, not a tear, she has 2 skin blemishes below her right eye.

  116. Thanks ladies for the great breakdown!
    Finally managed to see Ghost near Jon.

    Great thing to start the day with.

    However I am profoundly suprised how noone has not been complaing yet on SIX Stark soldiers at TOJ ( there are 7 of them in the books goddamit!) – #NOONEUNDERSTAAAAAAAANDS

    ………

    (just joking 😉

  117. I’ve been through all the above comments and no one mentions the burning man. Comments near the image mention Stannis. Come on. Forgotten already? Brienne took his head off with Oathkeeper.
    Presuming the corpse was found, would either Bolton go to all the trouble of sewing Stannis’ head back on? Pause for a moment, and go look at the image. Do you see flames and how they are? Even if the head is sewn back, considering the intensity of fire, wouldn’t the head separate away before this stage?
    How can it be Stannis?

    So, who is it? How about LF & Sansa? (It’d be fakes, right.) What if it’s Roose? Now that would be something Ramsey would do! Who would be about the same build as Sansa? There’s a use for a dead girl dressed in black, would you not say?

  118. Not convinced that guy is the Night’s King at all. Probably just one of his subordinates, from the 13.

    Lennie. Let’s call him Lennie.

  119. Looper,

    Not sure the timeline would work for Sansa to get there. Though I guess with Davos going to see Shireen’s corpse, he could run into her and Theon. But they would have to come up with a good reason why the NW lets Jon’s body lie about so long.

  120. Selina:
    Darjan,

    If that is Meera, I’m worried about her, what is she doing alone outside?

    Don’t worry too much about Meera. Just before the shot of Brienne killing Boltons (at 1:10) we see a second person slitting someone’s throat from behind with a knife. And in the stills we can clearly see their brown curly hair. Smaller, shorter than Brienne, different armour. And sneaking up from behind and slitting someone’s throat with a knife is a Meera favourite move. Just ask Osha. So I’m guessing Meera is taking care of things.

  121. Jack Bauer 24,

    Well there’s clearly a “grace period” of sorts since they didn’t burn all of their dead immediately after the battle at the Wall in Season 4. But I’d think after a short while they’re gonna want to take care of business before ol’ blue eyes gets up.

    Also, if Thorne and co. are trying to cover their tracks at all, it’d be awfully suspicious if they just dragged Jon’s body off to burn immediately after death. They’re gonna wanna try to make it look as “natural” as possible with all the ceremony due a dead member of the Watch in order to sell the idea that someone else killed him (probably some Wildling or maybe even Olly).

    Nor can they quickly dispose of the corpse and clean up the blood and just say Jon deserted the Watch. No, there’s gonna have to be a bit of theater involved for this.

  122. To me the most interesting part of the whole trailer (beside the way Bran is standing next to the Night’s King of course) is Littlefinger standing in forest covered in snow. Like, where the hell he is? Last time we saw him in KL. So unless winter has come to KL, he’s where? The North to meet again with Sansa? The Vale to get Sweetrobin or to hide there? Or is LF the Azor Ahai and he’s beyond the Wall to fight the Others? 😉

  123. Wow. Why did I never think of Tommen as being the Valonquar? But it does look like it’s Tommen vs Cersei in that trailer.

  124. I hope …..The show keeps nonsense coincidences to a minimum ….absolute minimum. ..like …sansa running in the forest and suddenly littlefinger appears out of no where ……..

    and jorah finding danys ring is a major case of this …i mean what are the odds….of finding a ring in such a large grassland. …

    my other observations/ speculations are positive. ….
    like tyrion is seriously troubled by sons of harpy….They are blowing up stuff….and tyrion needs to release the dragons? ?? ( maybe )))
    ..
    and is arya gonna run away from house of black and white ….coz jaqen is seriously ..punishing her ,…and is she forced to beg in the streets? ?
    and Jon snow will be leading the battle against the Boltons ….With help of umbers. ..

    plus a lot more questions …….it was an awesome trailer. ..

  125. The filthy women are probably hitting Margery with sandals or something after Margery’s confession.

  126. Is Tyroin on his way down to the dungeons to visit the other 2 dragons? It could prove that he is one of the 3 with Danny if they do not crispy fry and eat him!

  127. So a lot of people were predicting Jon being unburnt after a funeral pyre and rising up as AA, but the trailer certainly seems to not point that way at all.

    Also, very excited to see what appears to be Tyrion releasing the dragons lol.

    And could Tyrion’s line about being in the great game be to Dany? Perhaps after they’re reunited and she decides to head to Westeros? Her heading to Westeros would certainly indicate her finally entering the game of thrones.

  128. Thomas Sandstone,

    The part on the armor could be very true. This could also be part of Rhaegars personal guard, as he was not a king and thus not controlling the kingsguard.

  129. EURON HAS NO EYE-PATCH!!!! THANK THE OLD GODS!!
    ok that’s it, I promise.

    I wanted too share a theory I got on why Allister tries too get Jon’s body.
    He isn’t, that’s Sansa he tries to gets too. She arrives there and it’s too her Davos say’s ”he’s gone”.
    Ramsey then finds out she is at CB and sends a revan demending her back, and he threatens too attack the wall if he doesn’t get her.
    Allister and the other traitors, out of fear of being attacked by the Boltons try to get her, so they can send her back too Ramsey.

    So what do you think? I could be totally wrong, and honestly expect to be, but this idea just came too me earlier.

  130. Thomas Sandstone,

    Agree. Dawn would simply look silly on TV. It exists in the books simply for world building, and we’ll probally never even see it in the books at all.

    Alltough we know he gets one sword from someone dead, either another KG or one of the Northeners, so he could have Dawn but it’s smeared in blood and we can’t see it.

    Anyway this is irrellevent too me. I’m more then fine either way.

  131. maester blaster,

    Perfectly said. The TV only said that KG have white capes not white armor.
    So changing the armor too a more ”Targaryan style” too show that the events take place in a different time. It’s basic design.

  132. Also looks like I was right, that Euron and Balon have a scene togheter.
    Again it’s basic adaptation, it would have been a big mistake too not have at least one scene with these 2, too show their relationship and get a bit more info on Euron.

    I did not think it will be the rope-bridge scene, but now that I think about it, it makes perfect sense.

  133. Guys, GOT has the most retarded writing in history of television. I mean how the fuck did jorah and darrio find the ring in the grass? You do realize that is impossible. I mean it is like someone that wins 10 times in row 6/49 lotto. WTF is wrong with these stupid writers?

  134. fasads,

    I can look out the window right now and see 3 metal objects flickiring in the grass, and the grass is preaty big and wasn’t trampled by tens of thousand of Dothraki, in a circle pattern.
    And it’s quite cloudy it would be even easier if it was a sunny summer day.

    Shoo back too Westeros.org little troll, shoo.

  135. The Old Brown Wookiee,

    I know that it’s not a well-regarded site here, and I won’t link to it, but the many “Heresy” threads at a certain other site have featured intensive, if not exhaustive, discussions of the nature of the White Walkers/Others, their origin, their relationship to the Children of the Forest and to the Starks, their motivations (or the motivations of those who may have created them), and the identity of the Night’s Queen and Night’s King. You can find those threads by Googling “Heresy 182” and working back from there. They are focused on the books, but do refer to the show from time to time.

  136. Glad I’m not the only one who thought there was something off with the Night’s King. Doesn’t look like Richard Brake from previous seasons.

  137. Mihnea:
    fasads,

    I can look out the window right now and see 3 metal objects flickiring in the grass, and the grass is preaty big and wasn’t trampled by tens of thousand of Dothraki, in a circle pattern.
    And it’s quite cloudy it would be even easier if it was a sunny summer day.

    Shoo back too Westeros.org little troll, shoo.

    lol…. just lol… you have no idea how life works. Like I said this was the equivalent of me winning 10 times in row 6/49. I won’t discuss further because this is an obvious fact and if you don’t understand how retarded this is, then it’s pointless to have any further discussion. This is by far the most retarded thing in history of all television and movie that i now of. There weren’t anything more stupid than this on a movie or a tv show that I ever seen. And I think I have watched over 300 tv shows and 2000 movies in my 40 years of living.

  138. fasads,

    Hundreds or even thousands of horses traveling anywhere are going to leave very clear trails. They could’ve easily followed the tracks. Add to that that they probably created a very clear circle around Dany when they were riding around her. One ring in the grass, in the middle of a dirt or mud track is not that hard to see.

  139. Or maybe she’s just gay.

    The Dragon Demands:
    A thought occurs: Yara is prone to messing with people, this is a woman who let her long-lost brother feel her up purely so she could mock him for unknowing incestuous action later.

    So if the shot is of her kissing another woman, maybe she’s just messing with a crowd of ironborn warriors – you know, kissing the prostitute they’re passing around to get them excited and stuff. Scene might be taken out of context.

  140. fasads,

    Shh little troll, shh.
    Just leave us retards here alone and go back too Westeros.org, that’s where the enlighten folk live.
    Also Aragorn would like too call out on your bullshit.

  141. cellar door,

    ………. No. He was apologizing ahead of time for being a shite fighter, which could bevtrye it could just be self deprecating Davos.

    You’re reading too much into it there.

  142. El-Bobby,

    They won’t see the ring outright, but if it’s a sunny day, it’s very easy too see it, it shines.

    Like I said, I can see about 2-3 metal objects in the field outside my window. And the grass is preaty big and it’s quite cloudy.

    You don’t need the tracks too find it, you just need to get a glimpse of it shining in the sun.

  143. Kargaryen: Thats not Mel’s hand before the fire though, it’s Dany’s. You can even see the dothraki in the background. She has the same ring from the S5 finally (the one she didn’t drop).

    That’s what I thought, as well. And is she stroking that metalwork? It would have to be scorching hot from a long-burning fire, it must be Dany, after she is rescued it seems.

  144. I love that Euron looks more like S1 Theon than S5 Theon does.

    Also, my favorite moment was seeing the Night’s King standing behind Bran. So quick yet so awesome!

  145. The trailer footage of the Wildlings fighting the Boltons and the flayed man on the Bolton cross are a dead giveaway of Jon’s involvement in the battle.
    Aside from the photographic evidence of Jon in Stark gear on the battlefield set with the Bolton cross visible nearby and the director of episde 9 next to him as well as set leaks that reported about Jon going into the battle with the Wildlings, we can reach that logical conclusion considering facts from the show. They have put emphasis on the Wildlings’ aversion to the possibility of being led by any southern lord or engaging in any southern affairs. They repeatedly refused Stannis’ offers. So the only explanation of their involvement in the Winterfell battle is that they are rallied under Jon, who basically saved their lives, or they’re led by Tormund who also wouldn’t be fighting unless he’s teamed up with Jon.

  146. pras:
    I hope …..The show keeps nonsense coincidences to a minimum ….absolute minimum. ..like …sansa running in the forest and suddenly littlefinger appears out of no where ……..

    and jorah finding danys ring is a major case of this …i mean what are the odds….of finding a ring in such a large grassland. …

    “Nonsincidences” 😛
    Yeah, I generally agree. But for Jorah finding the ring: It’s not impossible. Jorah knows the Dothraki well. If he catches a rumor of Dany and tracks down the Khalasars in the area he can find the spot. And remember how the riders circled around Dany? Right in the middle is her ring. It’s possible that the horse tracks are still visible.

    Anyway, I only care for Benjen 😀 *lalalalalala* can’t express how much I hope you people are right that he might be the fire ball rider!

  147. Gravemaster,

    Nice catch. Very creepy indeed, they do not seem to be in a room where the nobility would live though. Might be that D&D felt that it was too repetitive to have them slain in their own quarters (Tywin and all that).

    Overall, nice trailer and it didn’t give away too much. Hope this is the only one they release. Feels good not knowing what is coming.

  148. Wimsey: How long do horses last, anyway?It could well be dead of old-age by now, as it’s been close to 4 years on the show since then!

    Twenty-five to thirty years is the lifespan of a horse. Unless it’s an ice horse.

  149. i get the feeling that Brienne might not come out of the sansa / theon rescue. I wonder if she’ll be ramsey fodder? Certainly lots of Jon Snow in a trailer for S6 when he’s dead. Mel getting her love jubblies out again made me smile. Azor Ahai confirmed?

  150. Thronetender: That’s what I thought, as well. And is she stroking that metalwork? It would have to be scorching hot from a long-burning fire, it must be Dany, after she is rescued it seems.

    Targaryens aren’t immune to fuck it never mind.

  151. regular jon umber,

    No Targaryans aren’t.

    Dany is heat resistant. As S1 clearly proved, with the dragon egg scene and the bath scene.

    Now is she also fire resistant? That’s open too interpretation, I think she is until more evidence is provided.

    But there is no doubt, in the show at least, she is HEAT resistant.

  152. scififantasygirl,

    No way Sansa escapes to LF. We have seen a photo of her and Theon taking farewell in a shore. LF is still on his way when sansa and theon escape. It goes without saying.

  153. Phil,

    Phil,

    I am not implying that Davos is about to harm Ghost but somehow Ghost will be sacrificed in some manner to save Jon. “Only death can pay for life” or something like that. I agree that Davos is about to give battle against attackers but Ghost is just lying there with Jon in the symbolic ‘christian’ sacrifice, death and resurrection cross position. If attackers are coming (and they are) why is Ghost in such a strange physical position? Ghost is positioned away from the attackers, not even between Jon and his enemies. He is lying supine and perhaps unconscious.

  154. Aethar,

    I think that’s a strong possibility, and his tweets lend a bit more credence to our earlier predictions that Robert Aramayo is Howland Reed and Luke Roberts is Arthur Dayne.

    This duel is gonna be god-tier, Dawn or not. I can just feel it. It’ll put the Hound vs. Beric and Oberyn vs. the Mountain to shame… at least until Cleganebowl happens. IT’S COMING.

    Speaking of amazing fights, I just have to reiterate how badass Davos is in that trailer. Based Davos just up and grabbing Longclaw and ready to lay the beatdown on Thorne and his cronies. I think I’m more excited for that than anything at the moment. That and Robert Strong splitting Sparrows in half.

    What can I say, I have a bit of a bloodlust. Lol

  155. Its a great trailer, a nice tease without spoiling anything really. Its almost like those who made it first looked at this site to see what is already spoiled and included just that.

    I also think Jorah finding that ring is absolutely ridiculous and its totally unnecessary on top of that. He and Dario could easily learn about Dany being taken by Dothrakis by different, way more realistic means.

    I am not so sure about supposed Nissa Nissa moment. I can see why many would prefer that to the alternative of Mel fucking Jon back to life…, but it would not be really a Nissa Nissa like event. All seems to ignore that AA myth is really about a sacrifice of someone loved, about dedication to the Red God and to the great cause of saving humanity. Jon or Davos killling Mel is not really that. Stannis/Shireen was Nissa Nissa like moment, Jon killing Arya would be Nissa Nissa moment (for this reason i dont get why people want Jon to be AA).

  156. In the scene with Ironborn on a cliff – who is the person they’re all looking at? Seems to have long white hair. . .

  157. Prince that was promised turning out to be a prince of White walkers would be an interesting turn of events. After all Rhaegar got at least some parts of that prophecy wrong, possibly this one as well.

  158. After studying the hands laid on Jon they don’t quite appear to be a woman’s hands but they do seem too small/smooth to be, say Edd’s. Could be a younger recruit but then you’d assume it should be someone significant. They do appear to be wearing NW black garb. To be honest, I got a vision of Arya, what with the length and color of the shadow of hair we can see. But she isn’t rumored to be going to castle Black so….

    Gotta love Davos. A man of honor mixed with compassion just like Jon. Speaking of which, seeing the opening with him laying there all alone dead on the cold ground with the words “He’s gone” brought on the feels yet again 🙁

    Sansa looks beautiful. We’re going to be rooting for Cersei this season. Who would have ever guessed that.? Lena’s a terrific actress. I hate to see Tormund die but we know he will dang it.

  159. When Kit Harrington said that he had done his best work as a corpse, he was not kidding… just look how many shots of him laying dead are there in the trailer alone? 😉 😉

  160. Is the shot of Cersei looking onward not her awaiting the return of Jamie from Dorne? I remember in filming we were notified of her filming a scene in Dubrovnik with the Mountain which looked very similar to the backdrop in the still above

  161. dred,

    Supine means to be on one’s back, which Ghost certainly is not. In fact, if we are to assume that is the same table we see Jon on earlier, then there wouldn’t be room for Ghost to be laying down at all (neither supine, nor >prone<), which could only mean that Ghost is standing at Jon's head.
    I do not believe the folks in the room are enemies, given that they allow Davos to casually grab and unsheath Longclaw in close quarters. This, Ghost would have no reason to react. However, when Thorne, Marsh, and Co. come busting through the door-let's assume those scenes are connected-then we can assume Davos and Friends do not intend to go gently into that goodnight. No, they will fight, and Ghost will eat Olly's face while he cries in a corner.
    In all honesty though, I kinda want the traitors-Thorne, especially-to live just long enough to see that Jon was right. I would love to see Thorne's face as the army of the dead marched on the Wall. Then Jon can throw him off!

  162. House Applebee,

    I didn’t realise that White Walkers have a proper biological cycle, that is that they die of natural causes (old age, heart attack, pneumonia etc). I thought they were magic that it lasts as long as somebody else puts an end to it, which if it is true it probably means that the Night’s King we have now is the same as the one since the beginning of the White Walker phenomenon unless there was one ambitious zombie who got a promotion a la GOT style…

  163. VisceralVarys:
    The hands resting on Jon’s body & over his eyes are Sansa. The black fur matches the fur she is wearing in the picture where she seems sad. And I recognize her hands.
    She’s made it to castle Black only to find Jon dead (cough).

    I agree 100% that it’s Sansa because she definitely made it to Castle Black. Look at the screen grab of her in the fur – check out the sun coming through the window. It’s exactly the same as when Jon & Sam are talking in his office when Sam asks Jon to let him go to the Citadel.

    Davos & men – & Ghost are guarding Jon’s body from Thorne etc who are about to break through the door. Ghost very much alive and standing ready to launch – which I cannot wait for!

    I agree it looks like Daeny’s hand near the fire – about to prove she is heat tolerant? Wondering where her bouncing baby boy is?

  164. We’ve had no word of a show Victarion, have we? My money is on D+D giving his story to Yara, she’s kissing a certain dusky lady there and is on her way to Mereen to steal Dany for herself

  165. ghost of winterfell,

    Really not sure. I wonder if she’s proving something to the dothraki by touching the brazier? Does she want to start a fire? Don’t really know…

    Heather Hymn,

    Yup. Other than Dany no one would be able to touche that brazier and don’t burn their hands.

  166. I do have to say that the apparent spontaneous gayness of Yara is unnecessary and disappointing. Really, HBO? Six years in and you’re still going for the sex-shocks?

  167. KG,

    Really. When was Yara’s sexuality defined in the show?
    PS. Its just a picture and has no context.

  168. Sansa makes it to Castle Black – The screen shot of her in the fur with the light coming through the window is identical to the scene when Sam & Jon are sitting at the table talking in Jon’s office and Sam asks Jon to send him to the Citadel.

  169. Depending on what happens in VD, people will start arguing again if dany is immune to fire or not. Most book readers believe she isn’t because GRRM said that in an interview. I’m going to say this again, I’d rather believe what GRRM said in his own book than in an interview.

    In ADWD he says “The fire burned away my hair, but elsewise it did not touch me. It had been the same in Daznak’s Pit.”

    So yeah, for me she is immune even in the books. Her hair is the only thing that can be burned. And everytime there’s a refference in the books about her hands being burned, it’s due to riding, without gloves, and not caused by fire.

  170. There are actually two frames of Theon in the trailer. In the first, he looks surrendered to the soldiers with the hounds, head down, then he suddenly looks toward something (the image shown above). I bet that’s Brienne charging in, Oathkeeper swinging. So the frames a few on of her killing Bolton soldiers would follow immediately after the Theon frames.

  171. Aren’t we going to talk about Arya’s not-so-blind eyes in the shot where the Waif is slapping her??

  172. The screen shot of Davos by himself looks like he’s looking over the hill at something burning below. Notice the light reflecting on the bushes towards the left. I wonder what it could be? Maybe he found a burning bush. Not.

  173. Kargaryen,

    The age-old “fire inmunity” debate.
    No, Drogon did not “set Dany on fire”. This is what happens between Daenerys and Drogon:

    Drogon roared. The sound filled the pit. A furnace wind engulfed her … If I run from him, he will burn me and devour me … Drogon roared full in her face, his breath hot enough to blister skin …

    In the smoldering red pits of Drogon’s eyes, Dany saw her own reflection. How small she looked, how weak and frail and scared. I cannot let him see my fear. She scrabbled in the sand, pushing against the pitmaster’s corpse, and her fingers brushed against the handle of his whip. Touching it made her feel braver. The leather was warm, alive. Drogon roared again, the sound so loud that she almost dropped the whip. His teeth snapped at her.

    Dany hit him. “No,” she screamed, swinging the lash with all the strength that she had in her. The dragon jerked his head back. “No,” she screamed again. “NO!” The barbs raked along his snout. Drogon rose, his wings covering her in shadow. Dany swung the lash at his scaled belly, back and forth until her arm began to ache. His long serpentine neck bent like an archer’s bow. With a hisssssss, he spat black fire down at her. Dany darted underneath the flames, swinging the whip and shouting, “No, no, no. Get DOWN!”

    Daenerys is roared at with very hot breath, and Drogon shoots fire at her, but she avoids the latter. She doesn’t escape uninjured though:

    Her skin was pink and tender, and a pale milky fluid was leaking from her cracked palms, but her burns were healing.

    Her hair also largely burned away, though it’s unclear when that happened in the chaotic sequence of events in the pit. Trying to keep GRRM consistent (unless he himself has changed the rules, which he hasn’t said he has), I would say the breath was hot, very hot, but not burning like fire, and Daenerys’ naturally heightened resistance to heat protected her against Drogon’s breath. Her injured hands almost certainly come from ripping out the red-hot spear from Drogon’s back – proof enough Daenerys is not completely immune to the dangers of extreme heat. In addition, the fact that Daenerys is afraid of being burned seems indicative that the Targaryens do not believe in a blanket fire immunity for themselves.

  174. Tywin of the Hill,

    The debate will continue until she’s seriously injured I guess. While in the books we might not be sure what’s the deal, I believe in the show they made her immune. Well, if the leaked info from Almeria is true.

  175. Ygritte:
    After studying the hands laid on Jon they don’t quite appear to be a woman’s hands but they do seem too small/smooth to be, say Edd’s. Could be a younger recruit but then you’d assume it should be someone significant. They do appear to be wearing NW black garb. To be honest, I got a vision of Arya, what with the length and color of the shadow of hair we can see. But she isn’t rumored to be going to castle Black so…

    You are right, they are not Edd’s hands. The hands are too smooth, which leads me to believe that they belong to a young person. And they are not Mel’s either, which can be seen when you compare this shot with the earlier one of Mel. The only options I can think of are either Sansa or Olly. Again, Sansa seems unlikely as that person seems to be wearing NW blacks. So the only person I can think of is Olly. Or else a new recruit, in which case it would be just a random NW guy, no one important.

  176. Chymeria,

    Well i knew he was “dead” but actually seeing him lying there deceased, in more than one scene, and being pronounced truly dead, on the heels of Kit saying he only appears as a corpse and thats it this season plus everyone stating he wont be the same when and if resurrected, well to me Jon Snow IS dead then. The show wont be the same. I was in love with the bastard Lord commander, not some cold shell of a man that he will likely become.

    Something rubbed me the wrong way with Cersei and Jamie making out ahain. Anyone else feel like thy should have progressed out of that stage at rhis point?

  177. Kargaryen,

    The fire immunity question will have too wait until Dany’s scene in Almeria.

    She is heat resistant tough, in the show at least, this no one can deny.

  178. a few more thoughts this morning after rewatching and looking at these stills..

    -that hand with the ring on it is certainly Dany inside a …tent……with Drogan’s next snack…err Drothraki.. in the background

    -That is mans hands closing Jon’s eyes..most likely whoever it is that finds the body and moves it to that room

    -“He’s gone” is Davos talking to Mel maybe about Stannis and it ties in with her I was wrong speech

    my dream scenario for the Sansa (in fur) shot is this is final episode and she is taking control of Winterfell

  179. Ygritte,

    Ygritte,

    I believe John Snow is dead.

    John Stark will rise….it is the only way to release him from his vows to the watch. John Snow is to honorable to walk way from those vows until ‘his watch has ended’.

  180. fasads:
    Guys, GOT has the most retarded writing in history of television. I mean how the fuck did jorah and darrio find the ring in the grass? You do realize that is impossible. I mean it is like someone that wins 10 times in row 6/49 lotto. WTF is wrong with these stupid writers?

    Right! And they have dragons and blood magic and burning leaches and smokey guys killing people… Fiction sucks! 😉

  181. Vegodread,

    I wouldn’t be so sure hat that is Sansa with her hand on Jon and at Castle Black. It could be Edd or Davos. It looks like man’s hands and Sansa well it could be some stronghold in the North but it could be Castle Black. Impossible to say with certainty.

  182. Skipping most of the comments so I am not spoilt.

    Is that Ghost next to Jon in the first shot of his body?

  183. fasads,

    You’re right. I’m not going to watch the show ever again. Thank you for the advice. I wouldn’t have stopped watching without your help.

  184. fasads,

    Following Drogon’s lead? Jorah lived among the Dothraki so he probably can see a huge khalasar rode in circles near the site Drogon spent time recovering. If I saw that I would canvas the area for hints of what might have happened to Daeny…

  185. KG,

    Goes to show how really progressive our world really is when being a lesbian is still considered shocking in these times . You should be ashamed of yourself especially being a woman .

  186. Redxabi,

    It’s established in the books. I fully support changes that enable the story to be told concisely on the television screen. Random sweeping changes to the characters themselves for no good reason annoys me.

  187. I’m excited Tyrion is going to see Rhaegal and Viserion but I can’t see him freeing them? Except for maybe Dany idk how anyone could do that without being fried, unless they used magic or something (an idea I personally hate). Also Varys is in that scene as well… According to those leaked photos from the set

    it seems like Varys leaves Meereen in the first half of the season

    so not sure how much of a mess Meereen will be when they visit the dragons so idk if they’re visiting R&V to unchain them.

  188. KG,

    No,it’s just clear you have a problem with a specificig sexuality and are only using poor excuses like every bigot homophobe will do .

  189. Speaking of Yara.

    I think she will take Victarion’s role. If they go with the entire

    dragonhorn

    story.

    I don’t mind gay Yara….not at all….

  190. Tyrion the Myrions,

    You jump to the wrong conclusion with all the glee of a monkey joining a shit-fight.

    I would be just as disgusted if the producers made Loras heterosexual for no good reason.

  191. KG,

    Yeah,keep bringing those excuses, you really think this is the first time i had an argument with a racist,homophobe or any other bigot on the internet ? They all use the same lame excuses that you use to cover themselves up . Just in this fandom i know one example of racism,when Lindaaaa of westeros.org bitched about Xaro Xhoan Daxos’s actor being black when his character was white in the books,it’s subtle racism but it’s there .

  192. Tyrion the Myrions,

    And you are assigning subtext where there is none. I reject random changes to established characters when it serves no point regarding the accurate adaptation of the book to the screen.

    I didn’t like the change that turned icky consensual sex between Jaime and Cersei into rape.

    I fully supported the change from Jeyne Poole to Sansa being Ramsay’s unwilling victim.

    I was happy to see them present Loras and Renly as lovers.

    I dislike them changing Yara’s sexuality for no reason.

    It’s pretty simple to understand, once you get your head out of your ass and actually listen to what I’m saying. But that’s probably asking too much from a knee-jerker looking for a fight.

  193. In the scene with Tyrion you can see Varys in the background standing with a torch (safely at a distance). The next shot shows a dragon flying (away), which suggest that Tyrion is in the pyramid to free the dragons.

  194. Tyrion the Myrions,

    There’s no need to use that sort of language. Some people just don’t like changes non-stop, and I’m sure if it was the other way round KG would be equally annoyed.

    Personally I’m willing to give it a chance, because it would be great if we had a strong lesbian character (as long as she isn’t clichéd), and we also do not know the context of the situation but I don’t have a problem with people politely disagreeing with me.

  195. Tyrion the Myrions,

    You mean “You have screamed that someone is bigoted until everyone wandered away to find some peace and quiet.” I am well familiar with THAT style of arguing. It’s the tack taken by two-year olds.

    Won’t work.

  196. KG,

    And how exactly you can define whether there is a reason for changing her sexuality(which hasn’t even been defined in the show btw and this is not like it’s the first time they changed something from the books)when the season hasn’t even aired yet ? Maybe you should get your head out of your homophobe’s ass and stop being paranoid of me looking to argue for no reason, i literally have a 1000 things better to do than have a discussion with you anyway .

  197. Jeb,

    Exactly. I’m not going to not watch the show because of this, and – being an American – I have the right to dislike the choice, and to express my doubts.

  198. KG,

    Aside from Yara allowing Theon to feel her up so she could torment him, there has been no indication of her sexuality, so what makes you think they have changed it for no reason? What makes you think she is not simply manipulating someone? What makes you think anything, since there is no context for you to dislike any arrogantly alleged changes?
    Perhaps you need to pull your head out of your ass, as well.

  199. Jeb,

    Well you sound like a reasonable person, anyway KG is known to be very agressive in this community so that’s why i responded in kind to her .

  200. Jeb,

    Nicely said.

    I like the idea of Yara being gay. Will reserve final judgment when I actoully see more of her, a 0.5 sec scene isn’t enough for me to give a final verdict.
    It’s how they portray her being gay that interests me.
    Why they made her gay, doesn’t matter too me at all.

  201. Tyrion the Myrions,

    Because all we have to go on is the story as published in the books.

    The possibility of Asha getting pregnant from her relationship with Qarl the Maid (and thus producing a legitimate heir to the Iron Islands) is potentially – and I say potentially, because none of us know where the story is going – more vital of a plot point than whatever influence the Dusky Woman is going to have.

    I think it’s an unnecessary change. So … yeah. Disagree with me if you want, but don’t lay your issues at my doorstep.

  202. Tyrion the Myrions,

    I’m aggressive because fanboys freak out like five-year olds every time you raise a point that goes against the groupthink.

    Some days it’s like trying to talk to goldfish in here. GLOOP GLOOP!

  203. This trailer… No words!!! AWESOME, BEAUTIFUL…
    Davos protecting Jon’s body against the men of the Night’s Watch…
    Jon riding?????… Well, APRIL!!!

  204. KG,

    Oh, oh! Here’s the quote I was thinking of. She could be talking about you folks!

    Otters might be easier to rule than men, I grant you. And seals are smarter.

  205. Okay, look guys: It’s not Jon. They won’t let a living Jon slip into a trailer, no matter how cool/brutal that shot of the horses rolling in the mud might look. Also, Jon is wearing a ponytail/man-bun in the leaked picture, and I’d imagine he’d be leading the army, rather than being one of a thousand random soldiers.

  206. KG,

    Oh here we go again with theories that we consider fact….. 9 out of 10 of those will be wrong even in the books. I expect only R+L=J will be true.

    And before you jump on me. If they portray her badly then I will fully agree with you that this change was pointless and bad.

    But I’m sick seeing people rant about changes just because it destroy’s their theories.
    Instead you should think what this change means too that theory..

  207. Deesensfan,

    Like you saw, it isn’t the fact that she is gay that bothered some people, but the fact that her being gay makes a book theory null and void.

  208. Davos and Jon never really had a relationship, so I wonder why Davos is protecting Jons body so much.
    Im not complaining, just wondering.

  209. Deesensfan,

    In the hardcore book forums, some theories became fact.
    Simply by the long time they had too find ”evidence” and years too convince themselves it’s true.

    It happened before AFFC was realesed, it happened before ADWD and it will happen again before TWOW will come out. The show is simply hurrying the inevitable.

  210. Lord Snow:
    I really think (or at least really want to believe) that the Arya picture with the white eyes is her warging… exploring/growing that ability would add a lot of range to her character arc

    Same here

    Nice break down, though I think the Cersei shot is of her awaiting Myrcella at the harbour

  211. Nerevanin:
    To me the most interesting part of the whole trailer (beside the way Bran is standing next to the Night’s King of course) is Littlefinger standing in forest covered in snow. Like, where the hell he is? Last time we saw him in KL. So unless winter has come to KL, he’s where? The North to meet again with Sansa? The Vale to get Sweetrobin or to hide there? Or is LF the Azor Ahai and he’s beyond the Wall to fight the Others?

    LF laid out his plan to invade the North last season, so it’s not really surprising that he’s shown in the North (whether it’s the Godswood, as some have claimed, or just a forest; I can’t really tell the difference based on that one shot).

  212. Deesensfan,

    Too discuss more pleasent things.

    I think he’s preaty fond of Jon. Stannis clearly respected him so Davos probally likes him too.

    Also one thing i’m certain, is that Davos would never support a backstabbing traitor like Thorne.
    And besides….what else can he do? Where would he go now that his king is dead.
    He probally protects Jon’s body from a sense of honor, more then anything else.

  213. My theory on why the Mutineers want to break down the door and burn the body is that they want to keep the mutiny secret, since it is a head-rolling, treasonous offense, after all. They claim Jon ran off to take back Winterfell or is just plain AWOL at the Wall. But they must first destroy all evidence. Then feign ignorance. Then bide their time until a new election when Alliser is sure to be named Lord Commander. I’m not sure what they plan to do to the Wildlings after that, but they’ll have to be clever given that there are a couple hundred men in black and thousands or tens of thousands of Wildlings.

  214. You know, for a dead man, Jon Snow still managed to have a lot of time in this trailer 😉

  215. ooooh, Mel is DEFINITELY wearing a fur cloak in the shot where she tells Davos that her vision is a lie.

    Looks more like the one Sansa is wearing than the NW ones, where are our Red-headed ladies finding these luxurious grey fur cloaks.

    But I am very interested in the fact that she covering herself up, could it be that she is actually cold? A reduction in power? Or just feeling insecure in her abilities?

    As a bisexual woman myself I hope that Yara is kissing her legitmately, they’ve removed a lot of the ladies loving ladies scenes so far. Dany is definitely not straight, she’s slept with at least two of her handmaidens repeatedly. I find it disturbing that people are claiming that they are changing Yara’s sexuality, when it hasn’t been established at all. And as for SHE’S STRAIGHT IN THE BOOKS (first of all Theon’s sister has slept with men in the books, it does not mean she would not sleep with a woman, she definitely seemed appreciative of them) THERE IS NO YARA IN THE GODDAMN BOOKS.

  216. What you mean only Castle Black has windows to let sunlight through? This could be any Northern stronghold. Its certainly some castle as the chandelier gives this away but I can’t see this in any of the Castle Black scenes (specifically in the Great Hall). So theres no evidence this is Castle Black..

    Vegodread:

  217. Ginevra,

    They left the corpse sitting in the middle of the yard for what looks like an extended period, so I don’t think secrecy is the watchword here.

  218. Also even if Yara was completely same-sex only, that does not rule out a pregnancy ever. 2+2=5?

    Homosexuality is not a new thing people, gay people have had to produce heirs in the past.

  219. Sean C.:
    Ginevra,

    They left the corpse sitting in the middle of the yard for what looks like an extended period, so I don’t think secrecy is the watchword here.

    This was my thinking. Why not move the body immediately if they wanted it hush-hush?

  220. Vegodread:
    Sansa makes it to Castle Black – The screen shot of her in the fur with the light coming through the window is identical to the scene when Sam & Jon are sitting at the table talking in Jon’s office and Sam asks Jon to send him to the Citadel.

    Can you provide a screenshot? Castle Black doesn’t have chandeliers that grand….Winterfells are more like this (but not the same).

  221. Tyrion the Myrions,

    I am freaking gay and I had the same reaction KG did, you are going to call me a homophobe too? In the books she is clearly straight and changing that in the show seems either an excuse to put on two women kissing (fetishizing female homosexuality) or a “masculinization” of Yara’s character, as “she is a ship capitain and a tough fighter so she must be lesbian”. Cersei is bi in the books, as are Nym and Margaery, but Asha is not and changing that for pure shock value/fetishizing women kissing/turning strong female characters into manly versions of themselves is simply not right.

  222. dothrakian raven:
    House Applebee,

    I didn’t realise that White Walkers have a proper biological cycle, that is that they die of natural causes (old age, heart attack, pneumonia etc). I thought they were magic that it lasts as long as somebody else puts an end to it, which if it is true it probably means that the Night’s King we have now is the same as the one since the beginning of the White Walker phenomenon unless there was one ambitious zombie who got a promotion a la GOT style…

    GRRM said that his Night’s King lived so long ago that he couldn’t possibly be the one in the show. And they keep needing to use Crastor’s babies as replacements.

  223. Felas: NATIONALIST,

    A clue you have not.

    Wimsey: Nope: it was ironic!

    Could Mel be seriously suffering from “faith doubt” this season? Regardless, if she either recommits or redirects her faith to/from R’hllor, I believe she will end up sacrificing herself to a higher power…for better or worse.

  224. Hmm it could be they change their mind and try to cover it up due to a change in circumstances, could be that Sansa DOES go to the wall, and when Thorne hears of this, wants to dispose of the body fearing eventual retaliation from the Starks (were the Starks not responsible for taking the Watch in hand if it became unruly?).

    But to be honest it seems a little far-fetched, and Sansa would have to get there awful quick (if she gets there at all?).
    Maybe a letter from Ramsay demanding Jon?

    Honestly, I think it’s none of these things but something that we will not be able to figure out until we have more context (but it’s fun trying to guess while we wait).

  225. Jorah could be following the dragon and comes upon the mashed down grass. The ring sparkles in the sunshine.

    Yara kissing a girl……get over yourselves.

  226. KG:
    Tyrion the Myrions,

    You jump to the wrong conclusion with all the glee of a monkey joining a shit-fight.

    I would be just as disgusted if the producers made Loras heterosexual for no good reason.

    Why be disgusted at all? Its an adaption – and you/ we don’t know what arc Yara has in S6. For all we know her arc may get combined with Victarions in some way (would make sense now that Stannis is dead). Its really not a big deal.

  227. Deesensfan,

    Also too cheer you up a bit.

    Pause the trailer at 1:16 right after Tormund appears. Just a fraction before the white horse falls over and look at the rider in centre.

    EDIT: just realized the picture is actoully in the article. I should start reading the articles with more care.

  228. Manderly's Assistant Baker,

    No, Asha likes men – there is zero evidence she does not like women. But AGAIN I must say, THERE IS NO YARA IN THE BOOKS, it’s as simple as that. I find it a strange thing to complain about, when they don’t have the same name, a lot of their actions are different and they’ve has different storylines. They are not the same character.

  229. Mihnea,

    Its hard!! But I will try lol.
    That’s the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Lol.
    Just STFU and watch the damn show. We don’t even know the context of that scene.

  230. Rusted,

    True, I have to agree with you. It’s honesly an awful lot of talking for 0.5 seconds of footage so I’ll wait for the actual episodes to judge it. That being said I do think it will be a random brothel scene in wich she will kiss a prostitute just because and that will be it.

    Deesensfan,

    Sad to hear you think complaining about gay stereotyping in the media is dumb, but it’s your opinion and I respect that.

  231. Connor,

    The more I watched the trailer the more I think you are right. If they were there to fight Davos why would they let him grab a sword?
    Connor,

  232. Manderly’s Assistant Baker,

    tbh, this is probably true.

    It has been frustrating seeing so much of the ladies being presented as straight in the show – Dany isn’t, it’s implied Marg isn’t, Cersei slept with a woman but it seemed to be more about her reliving her experiences with Robert and being able to put herself in the place of power, Nym isn’t, and Sansa seems awful adoring about almost every single woman she’s come into contact with.

    So projecting leads me to hope they are going to do something gross with it, and hopefully they won’t, but it is likely just a fleeting moment that will never be addressed again. Which makes all this arguing rather pointless in the end I suppose.

  233. On a sad but tangentially related note, the man responsible for GRRM using the “R.R.” just died. Sir George Martin retired nearly 20 years ago from producing music, but his legacy is huge. In particular, he was the one who recognized the unthinkable: 20-something guitar-playing kids from Liverpool were actually very talented musicians.

    Martin actually is a really important lesson of how there are many ways to contribute to art. He was an OK musician himself: but he understood music better than did the real musicians (for whom it usually just comes naturally), and as a result he was a really deft “editor” of the Beatles’ and others’ music. He was the guy who would, for example, transcribe and re-arrange an acoustic guitar demo into a string quartet: and make it very much the same tune but sounding like Bach did it!

    To you, Ser George! 🙁

  234. Manderly's Assistant Baker: Cersei is bi in the books, as are Nym and Margaery

    Cersei is not bi in the books. Nor are Maergery or Nym from what I can see in the text. Neither is Dany for that matter. Both Dany and Cersei were clearly in love/ attracted to men. Dany had some fumblings with her handmaiden in bed (which was their purpose, historically) and Cersei had a thing with Taena Merryweather once (maybe a few times). That was more a demonstration of her power as a woman/ desire to have a mans power. Not bisexuality. LOL

  235. Thomas Sandstone,

    SPOILERS BELOW

    You’re right. In Ned’s fever dream it was only said that they had White Cloaks. but it also described the Black Bat of House Whent on Ser Oswald Whent’s helm. So it goes to say that just the cloak signified they were Kingsguard and they still wore their House armor. That would get confusing in the show which is probably why they had special armor for the Kingsguard to make them stand out.
    It would seem weird though, that Arthur Dane would be wearing Targaryen armor if that was the case. Also that he would be wielding two swords. In the fever dream Arthur Dane was the last one to fall to Ned and Howland, and in the leaked footage of the fight that guy wielding two swords was potentially the last guy to fall. Even with that being said, there’s no guarantee that they would introduce a character that epic or even be able to script out the significance of three of the most legendary Kingsguard being at that location. They may just script it as them being Targaryen soldiers. Something else to point out, that guy isn’t wearing a White Cloak signifying him as Kingsguard.

  236. Apollo: Cersei is not bi in the books. Nor are Maergery or Nym from what I can see in the text.Neither is Dany for that matter. Both Dany and Cersei were clearly in love/ attracted to men. Dany had some fumblings with her handmaiden in bed (which wastheir purpose, historically) and Cersei had a thing with Taena Merryweather once (maybe a few times). That was more a demonstration of her power as a woman/ desire to have a mans power. Not bisexuality. LOL

    While I might have to agree about Cersei, and the Marg stuff is definitely just subtext at this point, Dany is definitely bi, you do not sleep(/find physically appealing) with your handmaidens if you’re not(at least two of them, frequently, even after she started sleeping with Daario), and historical evidence points to bi/lesbian women using handmaidens for that purpose if they were to be married to a man.

    edit: also lol – they were in love with men, you do know bi women are attracted to men/fall in love with them, as they do women, that’s why they are called bi, not lesbians. Also, Cersei had Merry in her bed every night. But I am unsure if she was actually attracted to her, it seemed to be her way of working out her PTSD about Robert in a really unhealthy way. But that is for GRRM to say. I just doubt that she could be attracted to anyone but Jaime, her sex with other men was meaningless to her too.

  237. Rusted:

    It has been frustrating seeing so much of the ladies being presented as straight in the show – Dany isn’t, it’s implied Marg isn’t.

    It has been hinted that Margaery isn’t completely straight in the show too.

  238. selena: my dream scenario for the Sansa (in fur) shot is this is final episode and she is taking control of Winterfell

    I must admit that this was my very first thought after I had seen that shot. She looks very stern and also sad, but regal and in charge somehow.

    On another note, I watched that one ToJ scene again where you can see Ned’s face in profile (contour? what’s the right term?) and I think -judging from the chin and his figure- it might actually be Robert Aramayo, not Eddie Eyre. Eddie is much more hunky on the pics we got from Spain…

    Also, I find Ramsay’s look when he turns around quite intriguing. I’m sure I’m reading far too much into it, but to me it looks like “What did you just say to me?” “Are you sure you wanna threaten to disinherit me?” 🙂 …or, you know, something similar…

    Oh, and I also don’t think the supposed Night’s King in Bran’s Vision is Richard Brake. Brake’s face had very distinguished features that I just don’t find here. For I very much liked Brake, I hope this is indeed a flashback to an earlier King or that the WW are ruled by a horny triumvirate and this is just the fellow that is in charge of WWCity until the conquest is done… 😉

  239. Rusted: I find it a strange thing to complain about, when they don’t have the same name, a lot of their actions are different and they’ve has different storylines. They are not the same character.

    The name was changed because “Osha” and “Asha” are indistinguishable in many people’s ears. It is hard enough to distinguish two words separated only by a single vowel when you hear it from someone who speaks like you do: but because the most obvious difference in most accents is how you pronounce vowels, the two would become absolutely indistinguishable.

    As for storylines, they are not different, as Asha/Yara does not have a storyline in either venue: she’s not really a protagonist. Oh, GRRM uses her as a PoV character and sort of attempts to make her one of the protagonists in Crows/Dragons, but it did not really work. The show wisely refrained from adding a bunch of new protagonists in the middle act and left Asha/Yara as an incidental character. That makes her an organic bipedal plot element for the characters with storylines (e.g., Theon).

    But in terms of what character development we have, they seem to be the same. Both are cocky and ambitious, and both seem prone to disregard advice, sound or unsound. Of course, that makes two people the “same” at the level that two pies are the same thing at the level of “pie”: but we don’t know the fillings in either case.

  240. Apollo,

    Good thing you reminded me.

    Cersei fingering Taena wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    Irri doing the same with Dany wasn’t ”pure shock value/fetishizing women” and hell Irri goes too sleep the next second like nothing hapened and Dany never thinks of it again.
    Nym sleeping with 2 twins wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    But somewhat Yara kissing a girl is. So the real problem is again what it always is, it’s different then it is in the books.

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

  241. Robles,

    I know the show doesn’t follow the show exactly, but the hooded figure is riding a horse & not an elk like coldhands

  242. Rusted,

    Speaking as a woman who is not straight, Daenerys does not come across as a woman who is actually into women. Irri is her serving woman who is obligated to pleasure her. It’s a pretty uncomfortable situation. Dany spends the whole time wishing it were Drogo or Daario when she’s with Irri. Sexuality is not about who you have sex with- it’s about your feelings and attractions.

    The jury’s still out on Margaery, we don’t know much about her in the books, truly. Just vague accusations and rumors.

  243. Jon Stark: In Ned’s fever dream it was only said that they had White Cloaks. but it also described the Black Bat of House Whent on Ser Oswald Whent’s helm.

    Ned’s fevered dreams also should not be taken as memories of what was: like all dreams, they are mixes of memories, and thus would include many anachronisms and embellishments. (Dreams are your brain optimizing itself, after all.)

  244. Geralt of Rivia: I wouldn’t be so sure hat that is Sansa with her hand on Jon and at Castle Black. It could be Edd or Davos

    I’m leaning towards Edd. The figure seems to have the same hair lenght…

  245. Deesensfan,

    That’s why I wrote in my next post that I would wait until the season aired to judge it, but analyzing the 0.5 sec we have that is my impression. If it’s actually important for her arc I’ll gladly take it all back.

    Mihnea,

    My point was that among a lot of bi characters they decide to put on Yara, a strong fighter and ship capitain who is either straight or bi, kissing a woman instead of cersei or dany, who are clearly bi in the books (at least for me). That might or might not be justified and, as you said, that’s a lot of assumptions coming from 0.5 sec of footage (but isn’t that the whole point of this post?) so I’ll wait for the actual episodes to form an opinion.

    Rusted,

    Thank you for understanding what I meant! I agree with you.

    Apollo,

    In my view, if you have a same-sex relationship and you enjoy it you are at least bi. But again that’s up to discussion and the books are open to personal interpretation so you might be right, that’s just my two cents.

  246. Mihnea,

    Please don’t bring facts into the debate.

    Occasionally I think it would be better if GRRM doesn’t release any more ASOIAF books. When people’s delusions are shattered they won’t know who to blame any more. They’ll probably still blame D&D for making George rush.

  247. Tywin of the Hill: Trying to keep GRRM consistent (unless he himself has changed the rules, which he hasn’t said he has), I would say the breath was hot, very hot, but not burning like fire, and Daenerys’ naturally heightened resistance to heat protected her against Drogon’s breath. Her injured hands almost certainly come from ripping out the red-hot spear from Drogon’s back – proof enough Daenerys is not completely immune to the dangers of extreme heat.

    Indeed, despite what the Dayneites want to be true, the evidence suggest that Daeny usually is just very heat resistant. The fact that she survived Drogo’s pyre intact (albeit without hair there, too) was unique: but remember that this unique event also got dragon eggs to hatch. The tacit implication is that some combination of human sacrifice (remember, Myry whatevery is burned alive) and other things induced the magic that got the dragons to hatch and preserved Daeny.

    This is the closest thing we have seen to figurative Deus ex Machina in the books. (We have seen literal Deus ex Machina, but as the gods in question were introduced as real things, that’s somewhat different!) The show set it up a lot more by emphasizing how heat resistant Daeny was 3 or 4 times prior to that. But even there, the fact that she comes out with dragons makes it look like a gun hanging of sorts: dragon egg hatching involves powerful and anomalous events. (I write “of sorts” because I doubt that it will ever come up again: this is not preparing us for some plot climax.)

  248. Manderly's Assistant Baker,

    I am not trying to say that you are a homophobe, but it should be noted that gays can indeed be homophobes (some kind of shame response or self-loathing or whatever), just like my grandma was the most bigoted male (or is it anti-female in this case?) chauvinist you can imagine. She grew up in a different time in a little village so it’s kinda understandable.

  249. Sue the Fury:
    Rusted,

    Speaking as a woman who is not straight, Daenerys does not come across as a woman who is actually into women. Irri is her serving woman who is obligated to pleasure her. It’s a pretty uncomfortable situation. Dany spends the whole time wishing it were Drogo or Daario when she’s with Irri. Sexuality is not about who you have sex with- it’s about your feelings and attractions.

    The jury’s still out on Margaery, we don’t know much about her in the books, truly. Just vague accusations and rumors.

    This is what I was trying to go with. Really hadn’t picked up anything relating to Maergery other than the false accusations though.

  250. I really hope that’s Mace Tyrell with the gigantic feather on his helm.

  251. Jeb,

    Oh no.. I want TWOW too come out (ADOS will never come out). I want too see the meltdown.
    AFFC’s meltdown will look like a mild fight compared too what will happen when TWOW comes out.

    After years of insults and rant’s I really want too see the general meltdown.

  252. Sue the Fury,

    Definitely agree about Marg, while I can see why many so choose to read her that way and tbh I do myself, I would have no right to screech ‘that’s not canon’ if GRRM came out and said she was straight, because there’s nothing concrete either way.

    Your description of Dany sums up my feelings on Cersei and Merry. The reason why I didn’t say that about Dany is that I recall Dany thinking contemplating more on it. But I guess you could be right. I’m Bi myself, so it could be projecting.. (it is definitely uncomfortable either way though, and I felt so when reading, I felt like there were too many consent issues and stuff, and pretty grossed out, especially as there’s no evidence her handmaidens are into women in any way at all). (and also GRRM really needs to slow his roll if all these women having sex with women are indeed straight, because it just becomes offensive and comes off as ‘males readers here’s two ladies having sex that you can fantasize about but you don’t have to be grossed out cause they are actually straight’).

  253. Rusted:

    you do know bi women are attracted to men/fall in love with them, as they do women, that’s why they are called bi, not lesbians.

    You raise a valid point there and you are, of course, right on that. 🙂

    I still really don’t think any of them are bi based on what we have read though.

  254. maester blaster,

    I agree with you. I’m sure there will be some sort of recognition that they are the best of the Mad Kings kingsguard. And maybe before the fight they will remove the white cloaks for battle. Or maybe since they know the war is over they are only fighting for the Targ family at that point.

  255. Mihnea:
    Apollo,

    Good thing you reminded me.

    Cersei fingering Taena wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    Irri doing the same with Dany wasn’t ”pure shock value/fetishizing women” and hell Irri goes too sleep the next second like nothing hapened and Dany never thinks of it again.
    Nym sleeping with 2 twins wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    But somewhat Yara kissing a girl is. So the real problem is again what it always is, it’s different then it is in the books.

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

    Wait- Nym slept with two twins? I must’ve missed that. I need to re-read.

    TBH I did feel that in AFFC some of Cersie’s inner reflections, and her fling with Taena came across as a little cheesy and feared it would be the source of allsorts of accusations if it were on the show…Just like Yaras is likely to be (and already is, seemingly/unfortunately). GRRM managed to pull it off though in the text, only just though.

  256. Has Mel’s fur coat been discussed anywhere?
    It is pretty much the only time we’ve seen her in a fur cloak, or am I confusing myself with the books?

    The implications seem big, either that she’s actually cold because she’s had a drain in power, or that she’s feeling insecure in her abilities, ether of which could affect the plot.

    (Then there’s the fact that it does somewhat resemble Sansa’s but there’s no way to tell without a clearer look).

    I’m unsure if Sansa will get to the wall but either way she found out for a reason, either for her to go there – or for Ramsay to ASSUME she went there.

    EDIT; As for those trying to figure out where is is in that shot, I don’t think we will. The WF and Wall interiors are pretty similar, so it’s reasonable to assume that it would be much the same for any Northern interiors.

  257. Wimsey,

    Concur! Sir George was truly a self made man who had a natural ear for music and that talent was happily joined to the “British Invasion.”

    Thanks for the “R R” explanation, didn’t know that.

  258. Wimsey: To you, Ser George!

    What a team they were! Can you imagine Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt Peppers without him? What an amazing combo of musicianship/recording talent!

    RiP George H Martin!

  259. People seem to have a different relationship with Asha/Yara from the books than I do… everyone breathe…

    Asha/Yara was willing to seriously mess with her brother when he came to visit. Do we think she was deeply, sexually attracted to Theon? No.

    She is all about her relationship with her loyal men and if they were passing around a hooker.. she’d totally want to be “one of the boys”. Maybe it was a dare to mock the leader about her lack of a “sword”. We’ve learned nothing deep or profound to do with her actual orientation at the moment – she’s a wild and crazy gal! And if Littlefinger isn’t in KL, how else will we get our 2.3 brothel-type scenes per season? Duh….

    That scene will be rudely interrupted with some depressing news, that her father is dead, or Euron is back, or Theon is back, or a Kingsmoot is happening without her…
  260. Only death can pay for life right – how about Olly? It fits, he has to die soon because his story arc has come to an end. Jon really did care/love him. He makes the perfect sacrifice.

  261. Mihnea:
    Rusted,

    I think it’s the same coat she had last season.

    God, really? Thanks, I might have to go back and catch that.

    As for those trying to figure out where Sansa is in that shot, I don’t think we will. The WF and Wall interiors are pretty similar, so it’s reasonable to assume that it would be much the same for any Northern interiors.

    I’ve seen Sophie, Lena and NCW tweeting about the trailer.
    Lena and Sophie seem pretty excited about this season, which is a relief esp for Sophie, I began to get worried about her S5 arc when she seemed less enthusiastic in the interviews that came out just before the season started.
    I hope we get some big Cersei scenes. And not just cause Lena deserves an Emmy, even though she does, her screen presence is very dominating.

    And though I hated a lot of the S5 Sansa stuff, it was great to see her and Alfie play off of each other, the scene where she finds out about Bran and Rickon was ridiculously intense and arguably their best scene all season.

  262. Ohgod, people had to find something to complain, didn’t they? I suppose it has to be a great trailer if the things are Mel’s boobs, Yara’s sexuality, Euron’s eyepatch and Dayne’s sword(s)…

    I’m extremely happy about the Dany hand over fire thing. Funky Rh’llor visions, here we hopefully come!

  263. Mihnea:
    Deesensfan,

    Also too cheer you up a bit.

    Pause the trailer at 1:16 right after Tormund appears. Just a fraction before the white horse falls over and look at the rider in centre.

    EDIT: just realized the picture is actoully in the article. I should start reading the articles with more care.

    LOL!! This must be very difficult for someone who did not follow the filming spoilery. Hang in there D, not much longer. Fairly soon we will discussing episodes.

  264. Lets just imagine: that scene with Davos and Jons corpse. Ghost is guarding the corpse. Davos is talking to him, while he takes the sword-and cloak and black paint and a sort of wig, trying to look like Jon still alive, then riding in the big battle to encourage the Wildlings army?

  265. Just a thought. Since Theon appears to get caught by the Bolton hunting party … couldn’t that be him, burning? A final punishment for killing the lovely girlfriend and helping Sansa escape?

  266. Just a Guest,

    Only thing I say to that is, Theon has been on a Bolton cross before, he was tall enough for it. The body on that cross is not big enough for it. I am afraid the body on the cross is a boy and it is Rickon. Gods I hope not but Seven Hells that is not an adult body.

  267. The hand on the brazier possibly credited as Melissandre’s…whomever is wearing a very distinct ring (note in the photos following of Mel, she wears no jewelry on her hands). It kind of reminds me of Dany’s ring that Ser Jorah recovered from the field.

    I’d say not Mel’s hand.

  268. Did anyone ever see the old movie “El Cid?” One critical scene shows the Spaniards strapping their dead hero atop a horse and sending him into the battle.

  269. I must mention that I did not expect Euron to be ritually “drowned” by Aeron. Perhaps it is a “returning home”/reaffirmation ritual for the Greyjoys, consistent when Theon originally returned to Pyke in S2/ACoK. I’m interested in how he is being adapted from his original cocky conqueror nature. And yeah, he does look like Theon!

    “Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

  270. I must mention that I did not expect Euron to be ritually “drowned” by Aeron. Perhaps it is a “returning home”/reaffirmation ritual for the Greyjoys, consistent when Theon originally returned to Pyke in S2/ACoK. I’m interested in how he is being adapted from his original cocky conqueror nature. And yeah, he does look like his nephew, Theon!

    “Godless? Why, Aeron, I am the godliest man ever to raise sail! You serve one god, Damphair, but I have served ten thousand. From Ib to Asshai, when men see my sails, they pray.”

  271. Blanche Holstein:
    Did anyone ever see the old movie “El Cid?” One critical scene shows the Spaniards strapping their dead hero atop a horse and sending him into the battle.

    Ewww. Not sure this would work. I would think too much time had passed between the death and the battle.

  272. It looks like the High Sparrow is talking to someone tall and faithful…the _____, perhaps?

  273. Not sure if people already talked about it, but I’m have the impression that the Night’s King can actually see Bran (why else would he be so afraid?), which should be a big deal because I assume in his other visions he can’t be seen by the people in that time period. Or not? 🙂

  274. Connor,

    Because Coldhands is an unimportant character only created to provide safe passage for Bran and Co. to the tree. Nothing else, nothing more.

  275. Bran is probably seeing Night King from 8000 years ago, not the current one. Who said they were immortal ?

    And of course it refers to the GRRM’s words, that “the 6th book takes us so far to the North as never before”

  276. Ygritte,

    I think Myrcella’s death makes Jaime feel sorry for Cersei and ready for revenge, but she’ll make him angry and disappointed soon enough (maybe he finds out about Lancel) for him to leave her. He must follow Brienne, although I don’t expect anything good there either. And Jaime must be the one who kills Cersei, freeing himself from her.
    And Jon… I’m sure will come back eventually. Remember Beric, he didn’t become a monster, although Thoros had resurrected him for many times. He just will be different.

  277. Blanche Holstein: Thanks for the “R R” explanation, didn’t know that.

    It is considered bad form in the entertainment industry to use your “normal” name if someone well-known already is doing so. Of course, it seems implausible that someone would confuse a fantasy writer with a music producer, but everyone knows that all artists really want to do something in a completely different medium! 🙂 Any way, if your name is, say, George Clooney or Phil Specter and you wanted to publish a book, then even though George Clooney and Phil Specter are not authors, your book company would probably insist that you go by George M. Clooney, G.M. Clooney, P.J. Specter, etc. or something like that just to avoid accusations (and potential lawsuits) that you are luring in people to buy your book thinking that you are someone different. Alternatively, go back in time and make your parents give you a name that nobody else made famous yet….

    Hodors Bastard: What a team they were! Can you imagine Rubber Soul, Revolver and Sgt Peppers without him? What an amazing combo of musicianship/recording talent!

    No, I cannot. But even if Martin has only started producing the Beatles at, say, Sgt. Peppers, it would not have been Sgt. Peppers: they learned so much from him in the early days that it made things like that possible. (For his part, Martin supposedly started to become so envious of the Beatles’s compositional skills during Sgt. Peppers that it left him very depressed and angry for a while: but they might have helped bring him around in part by emphasizing that they could not have done it without him.)

    Still, he was in his early 90s and he did a LOT. There will be people who remember him as long as there are people who remember the Beatles: and that will be a while.

  278. I think the valonquor (little brother) that Cercei must beware of is Tommen…..

    It’s not Jaime or Tyrion who will come for her and eventually kill her, but Tommen, little brother to Joff….

  279. Wylie: Not sure if people already talked about it, but I’m have the impression that the Night’s King can actually see Bran (why else would he be so afraid?), which should be a big deal because

    That is possible. However, it is not uncommon in these sorts of tales to have the start of the “Pensieve Trip” set up so that it appears that the person from the past sees the main character initially. Moreover, I would not say that either the Night’s King or Bran look afraid: the scene is too short to gauge emotion.

    At this point, I think that we simply have to allow for a huge number of possibilities, until we get more information that rules out some of them. The fact that Bran is wearing such a odd outfit might mean something: but he seems to have a different outfit in every shot, and it might reflect the when/where, or it might just be some arbitrary thing; again, we do not know the rules as neither book nor show has given them to us yet.

  280. Deesensfan,

    My fear initially, but many posters stated that Ghost is standing near the table and predators can be very still before attacking. I simply can’t accept the idea of Ghost dead (no pun intended).

  281. I still wonder about the motivation for Davos. Why is he sympathetic to Mel? Why does he feel the need to protect Jon’s body? There is something there.

  282. I’m thinking Davos takes Jons body and makes everyone (including us) think he burned it. And we don’t find out until later on that Jon is alive.

  283. There’s a higher quality version of the trailer on HBO GO compared to the YT version.

  284. Just a Guest,

    I mean, what the heck are you saying. There is no indication that he is caught by the Boltons in early episodes only to be flayed for the BoB. Theon and Sansa after the escape and the subsequent hunting by the Bolton soldiers is being saved by Brienne and then Theon departs to the Iron Islands. Where did you get all these connections?

  285. scififantasygirl,

    a couple of notes to state, Littlefinger could easily be nearby winterfell. He already agreed w/ Cersei to have the Vale army take out whichever army remains between Bolton and Stannis. He could easily be in the Wolfswoods and Sansa runs into him and his army.

  286. For those who are interested, I uploaded the updated post-trailer version of my speculative summary of season six, on the forums. Take a look 😉

  287. From the glimpse of an anxious Tyrion in a dark tunnel with a torch, i have a feeling that Tyrion will somehow play Quentyn Martell’s role by making the two chained dragons escape and make fire rain on Meereen.

  288. Jack Bauer 24:
    There’s a higher quality version of the trailer on HBO GO compared to the YT version.

    Hopefully someone uploades it. The Youtube version is not only 720p instead of 1080p but also the compression is awful.

  289. Valyrian Lance: I still wonder about the motivation for Davos. Why is he sympathetic to Mel? Why does he feel the need to protect Jon’s body? There is something there.

    Davos is a pragmatic man. Stannis accepted that the world was in danger from a mythical enemy, and therefore Davos does as well. Jon was killed in large part because he put the threat of that mythical enemy above the threat of the Wildlings, and Davos will deem this a mistake. Moreover, in their short time together, Davos did seem to develop a liking for Jon.

    As for Davos’ sympathy towards Mel, well, Davos can sympathize: Mel is genuinely distraught over Stannis’ death, with which Davos completely sympathizes (particularly if he does not yet know the details of Shireen’s death), and the one thing those two have in common is Stannis.

    Again, many, many scenes will take place this year that fills in these gaps, and the interactions between characters will (as always) keep evolving.

  290. dothrakian raven:
    Just a Guest,

    I mean, what the heck are you saying. There is no indication that he is caught by the Boltons in early episodes only to be flayed for the BoB. Theon and Sansa after the escape and the subsequent hunting by the Bolton soldiers is being saved by Brienne and then Theon departs to the Iron Islands. Where did you get all these connections?

    Maybe Just a Guest did not read the filming spoilers.
    It would make sense to someone completely unsullied.
    Chill.

  291. Also, Jame looks like to be the knight on a white horse trying to negociate with the High Septon on the stairs but i wonder who the man with the fancy helmet leading what appears to be Tyrell’s soldiers might be… maybe Garlan Tyrell, who GRR said at somewhere that he would have some importance in the story at some point ?

  292. Valyrian Lance,

    It’s not so much about motivation. It is about Davos as a character as we have followed him form the start of his presence in the show. He follows the leader who seems to fight for a just cause. Stannis is dead and Davos quickly realises how critical the situation is and sees how hard Jon works to save Westeros from an imminent danger. He does the maths and decides to follow the Jon Snow path. In season 5 the show established a good chemistry for the two reinforced by Stannis’ approval of Jon’s leadership skills. So there are no narrative gaps in all this…

  293. Genna Lannister’s Camp Stool,

    Maybe Garlan coming to rescue his sister ? GRR said Garlan and Wilas will play important parts in the books. Maybe they imported Garlan in the show for the sake of showing some Tyrell’s family concern about Margaery.

  294. Halfman,

    What a puzzle! In neither of these pictures can one see Longclaw and Longclaw is
    quite sizeable in comparison to what this figure seems to hold. Plus the whole man bun thing…

  295. Nero Martell,

    So, it is called tracking. not that difficult, you first follow the same direction the dragon went, easy enough. You come across people look for clues along the way (dragon feces that fell from sky), talk to people to see if they saw a dragon. These guys are smart and can easily find where Drogon finally stopped and ate all of those animals. Once you do that you look around for clues in the settled area that you found. Yes, a small ring is hard to find, but they easily would be in the same vicinity of the ring so not out of the realm of possibility. Her dropping it is a clear sign of danger. They could probably tell there were a lot of horses in that area, which means only one thing, Dothraki. Come on, I know people in these days do not track or even have a clue how to. But for midevil times, easy peasy.

  296. So excited about Davos now. No one can deny he is the best human on the show and that his positive traits haven’t been tarnished by 5 seasons of insanity. Never lies even when it can save his life, never wants the power thrust on him. Never got the Flea-Bottom bowl of brown humility out of his heart and loyalty is literally his only fault. Whether it’s a Nissa reason, some deal with Mel, or in memory of Shireen etc–I’m thrilled he’s a part of such a huge story this year. And Jon is the biggest story–from his origins to his stare down with Night King to coming back from the dead. I don’t think that’s a spoiler lol. If Davos is by Jon’s side I’ll feel better about humanity’s chances in general. (now that I’m saying this I’m terrified he’s going to die lol)

    Also–Pretty sure Tyrion is heading for dragons with that torch. Mereen is all alleys and light–except for that place where Dany kept the dragons.

    Flaming morning star? Is that you Benjen?! Please say yes because that would be epic.

    Only part that bugged me was Jaime. But I’m in love with Season 3 Jaime and feel like he’s seriously regressed since Brienne left KL.

  297. VisceralVarys,

    About it possibly being Sansa’s hand on Jon’s body – the left hand looks to have some symbol on it, like a tattoo maybe? I don’t recall Sansa or Melisandre having any such marking, but I agree the hands look feminine. Then again, maybe it’s just dirt.

  298. Carne,

    You’re right. I’ve been watching House of Cards season 4 the last few days, so I knew I recognised the look from somewhere.

  299. Valyrian Lance:
    I still wonder about the motivation for Davos. Why is he sympathetic to Mel? Why does he feel the need to protect Jon’s body? There is something there.

    I think it is fascinating as well. Perhaps Davos helps Mel connect the dots that the “snow” she sees in her fire is right in front of her at CB, waiting for her faithful words. The Davos factor has me quite excited.

    *Grabbing Longclaw like a boss*!…sort of. 🙂

  300. Luka Nieto:
    For those who are interested, I uploaded the updated post-trailer version of my speculative summary of season six, on the forums. Take a look

    Time spent on this kind of speculative thing is time that could be spent on wiki work, which is why I wait for more substantive stuff.

  301. Wimsey: Moreover, I would not say that either the Night’s King or Bran look afraid: the scene is too short to gauge emotion.

    Pause at 1:21, Bran looks horrified!

    As for the clothes, I’m pretty sure, it is the very same outfit that he wears in the promo picture where he is in Winterfell with Bloodraven. It seems to be his “vision outfit” for Season 6. Also, if he does not feel the temperature of the surrounding in the visions (speculation, of course), his furry “riding outfit” would indicate that he is actually outside the cave and not in a vision.

    I know, I know, if only we had another picture from another vision… Oh well, the 24th can’t be here soon enough (I doubt we’ll get anything else before that…)

  302. Stargaryen,

    I knew from the moment she dropped the ring that this would be a heavily debated subject. That said, I thought Minhea’s idea was pretty good. If they look for clues in the area where she got captured, they could see the reflections of the metal from a distance (although the sky looks a bit cloudy in that shot). However it turns out, I never questioned Aragorns tracking skills and won’t question Joraarios either 🙂

  303. Lord Snow:
    Great job focusing down on the dark haired rider in the battle with some serious flow going on…

    but it can’t be… he’s DEAD… right HBO?

    would be really funny if they unintentionally spoiled themselves by adding a shot of Tormund which accidentally has Jon Snow/Stark/Targ/AA/PTWP in the background

    I really can’t see HBO releasing ANY shot that would give anything away that they didn’t want to give away. I would imagine D&D scrutinizing EVERY shot in that trailer.

  304. fasads,

    Fine, finding the ring is unfathomable. But as I broke down. Jorah and Daario will clearly be able to head in the direction that Drogon and Dany left the city. Not HARD. Come across people who saw the dragon to confirm going in the right direction or clues of the direction he went, Not HARD. Coming across Drogon’s giant buffet when he and Dany stopped, NOT HARD. Noticing that the ground is trampled due to thousands of animal hooves and your in the grassland it is easy to figure, Dothraki. Not HARD since there are no other armies or herds that large. So the smart decision is to follow the Dothraki tracks. tracking was a thing back then. So yes finding the actual ring, sure cheesy, but def. believable that they found Drogon’s little area where he stopped and would survey the area. Pull your head out of your ass.

  305. Hodors Bastard,

    It could be also that Davos uses Mel to get the “job” done while his intentions are not very clear. I am not so sure that his feeling have changed towards her to the extent to show compassion for her as a person and I get the impression that Mel is not very safe this season. Maybe the whole situation makes him realise that he also has to play the game and use some politics in order to achieve results. Always of course from the general good’s perspective. The Mel-Davos game this season will be very interesting and not given…

  306. These discussions devolve so quickly! Finding the ring is not preposterous. It would absolutely happen the way it was set up. The horses created a huge pattern with an untouched patch of grass at its center. Could you not find a ring in a circle of grass at a few feet’s diameter? Dany must have thought it was a long shot dropping that ring, until the Dothraki made that nice pattern. I can imagine her thinking, hey, this ring thing might actually work!

  307. When Cersei said “I choose violence,” I’m pretty sure my vasectomy spontaneously reversed.

  308. Luka Nieto,

    Excellent work Luka. Let’s hope it’s all that and more, because that sounds like an incredible season to me. Some people enjoy reading this type of speculation a lot more than bizarre rants on “independent” wikis.

  309. I wish people would read the goddamn comments before posting. Yes it’s a pain in the ass when there are so many, but there wouldn’t be so many if the same thing wasn’t pointed out or asked 50 times because no one bothers.

    *rant and one more unnecessary post over*

  310. People really don’t know what to gripe about. The ring? Anyone would have found it with the trail of big breadcrumbs that pointed to it, don’t even have to be skilled at tracking. Can’t get them bigger than an army on horseback riding in circles. From that point on, finding Dany will be even easier. Analogous situation to the one in LOTR with Aragorn and co searching for Merry and Pippin.

  311. Connor,

    I think the same thing as well. I thought he was going to go ham until I noticed ghost was lying on Jon’s body and not trying to rip nuts off.

  312. You can almost feel that Lancel will be the one who will reveal what Cersei did with him to Jaime and he’ll turn against her … Also i think Davos is with Jon loyalists in that room and he prepares to take on Thorne and co.

  313. With the Tower of Joy clip, some people are saying that the Kingsguard armor looks different because it was back when the Targaryens ruled. And also, in the very last clip, Ghost is lying at Jon’s head…did they kill him too? Or is he just sad because his best buddy is gone?

  314. Manderly's Assistant Baker:
    Tyrion the Myrions,
    I am freaking gay and I had the same reaction KG did, you are going to call me a homophobe too? In the books she is clearly straight and changing that in the show seems either an excuse to put on two women kissing (fetishizing female homosexuality) or a “masculinization” of Yara’s character, as “she is a ship capitain and a tough fighter so she must be lesbian”. Cersei is bi in the books, as are Nym and Margaery, but Asha is not and changing that for pure shock value/fetishizing women kissing/turning strong female characters into manly versions of themselves is simply not right.

    I’m so glad to hear someone else thought this same thing. I do love George and D&D, but I have real issues with how they handle female sexuality. I wanted to label this picture as WhyDandDAreNotFeminists, since a poster recently complained that they were feminists, but I refrained. Until now.

  315. People complained when she dropped the ring in season 5 episode 10 because it was thought to be dumb/cheesy/unrealistic if the guys actually found it in such a large open outdoor space.

    And now, they found it, and people are complaining.
    This is unrealistic? But dragons are real?

    LOL

  316. As for the ‘they would scrutnize every shot’.

    They didn’t want anyone to find out about Sansa in the North last season last year either, but they gave away her standing in the crypts, something that marketing thought viewers would miss, but they guessed correctly. If they gave away something accidently about a character that was the main focus of the shot, I would assume that they could easily give away something about a character that was in the background of a shot.

    Plus, there’s the fact that D&D have nothing to do with marketing. Cogman didn’t even know when the trailer would even be released, let alone what was in it (and arguably, he’s the one most involved with the show after D&D).

    Edit: There’s no way D&D are not way too busy finishing up the season and making sure there’s no faults. Plus, they’d likely be working on the scripts for next season too.

  317. Not sure if it was posted yet, but this trailer is specifically being called out as “Trailer #1″… so hopefully more to come

  318. plop_plop,

    Perhaps 1 more at the start of April. I suppose that one could show some more of the elements missing in this one e.g. Sam, Dorne. Dany and Tyrion weren’t in this one much either, so it could focus more on them for example. This trailer was KL, II, The North and The Wall, with snippets from other storylines.

  319. Ginevra,

    In total agreement–I could write a thesis on that. (I won’t, but I could)

    But looking from a cable show standpoint it’s clear why they put it in. This is not a big nudity season. Most of the brothels are gone and no romantic couples in sight (not even crazy natural born Bolton couples). There are battles and flashbacks and winter is coming and several losses and painful stories are coming to a head. It’s clear that is some kind of celebration for Ironborn and they decided to stick some girl kissing in there for good measure. It’s so quick that it’s possible Yara just rolls with it cause she’s a boss and a sea captain and she can hang with her men. It’s just visual stimulation for the masses. Same reason I’m sure Dothraki scenes will have a lot of nudity and a sand snake will probably strip. For the night is dark and filled with bloody wars and people covered head to toe in furs. 🙂

  320. The Bran teaser from December has 20 million views. The trailer already has over 8 million in less than 24 hours!

  321. Much excitement! I am so happy this website exists.

    Would like to add:

    What are the chances JS is resting there inside Ghost?

    Didn’t we assume Brienne beheaded Stannis based on her words and the type of swing she was making? If so, Stannis can’t be the burning man unless they sewed his head back on.

    Sansa is in a place with recognizeable chandeliers and blue cast atmosphere. I think she’s doubled back to Winterfell (usually a blue cast atmosphere) or is at the Eyrie (a golden cast atmosphere but blue in the throne room). Winterfell would make sense if she calculated that the Boltons would have gone in search for her. Otherwise she may be found by Brienne or Littlefinger and taken to either place after battles.

    Dany is looking up at the skies and no one else is. Is she calling Drogon in her mind? This situation reminds me of her distressed state on the balcony of the pyramid when Drogon showed up behind her; also in her distress in the fighting pit. Drogon has had time to heal and may be coming for her.

    If we think the dragon shown in the trailer isn’t Drogon, then perhaps the pics of Tyrion and torch show us he makes his way to the crypts to release Drogon’s siblings?

  322. You guys, that is NOT Davos saying “He’s gone” at the beginning of the trailer. It’s Rory McCann.

  323. Dark Lark:
    Anyone note that the Night’s King’s sword is of a golden color?

    Yeah it looks pretty cool. When do you think we’ll finally see the NK actually fight? We haven’t seen him in battle yet.

  324. matty: Please correct the singer’s name,it’s James Vincent McMorrow

    Who gives a fook? The song sucks anyway. They should just stick with scored music instead of crappy cover songs.

  325. Knight of the Walkers (Formerly Jeb):
    plop_plop,

    Perhaps 1 more at the start of April. I suppose that one could show some more of the elements missing in this one e.g. Sam, Dorne. Dany and Tyrion weren’t in this one much either, so it could focus more on them for example. This trailer was KL, II, The North and The Wall, with snippets from other storylines.

    No Tully’s either(Blackfish,Edmure), Frey’s, Rickon, Osha, Shaggydog…

  326. Davos is going to be devastated by the news of Shireen and Stannis. It will take something major to get him to care about Jon’s death, regardless of how Stannis felt about him. There is nothing holding Davos at Castle Black anymore unless Mel convinces him that Jon is the one after all and she needs his help.

    As for the sacrifice to bring back Azor Ahai, it doesn’t HAVE to happen exactly as it did before. Mel sacrificing herself to R’hllor may be enough this time, or maybe it has to happen that way because for all intents and purposes, Azor Ahai (if it IS Jon), is currently dead, and standard rules don’t apply. Or maybe no sacrifice is needed after all because R’hllor decides there’s no time to fool with that.

    Have there been filming sightings of Mel with an alive Jon? I can’t remember. If so, then I can’t see Mel trying to seduce any of the crows. It’s Jon she’s seducing, and she might be scared shitless cause he’s Azor Ahai by then?

  327. The Dragon Demands: Time spent on this kind of speculative thing is time that could be spent on wiki work, which is why I wait for more substantive stuff.

    Yes. I’m sure you are very busy with reverting the edits others made and writing long subjective articles about everything you were annoyed by.

  328. Jack Bauer 24,

    I doubt they’d show Rickon and Osha. Tullys are a possibility, but they aren’t going to be in that much of Season 6 anyway. They will recycle some of this trailer, so it’s not like they have unlimited time to include everyone.

    It’s weird, on this day last year we received the second trailer.

  329. Ginevra,

    Yes, especially when if you critique something like this, you’re usually hounded on for being a book purist, even if it’s something you criticized GRRM for.

    There is the fact that they’ve also had Yara, Arya and Brienne ‘the warrior types’, complain about femininity, or use women as an insulting comparison etc.
    When the books at least have Asha laugh at the idea that cunt is something she’s suppose to find demeaning, Arya insists that she’s a girl and Brienne seems to value other women. So having one of the so called ‘boyish ladies’ be the one to kiss another woman is an extension of that. And in the books pretty much every romantic lady chapter was downright uncomfortable and at times even mortifying. So neither is innocent, and it’s naive of people to think them so.

    As for them being feminists, I do find it interesting that there’s quite a few big book women missing from the show, some minor male characters have managed to work their way in. And the one’s brought back as well – Jon (obviously no-one’s disputing that), but the Hound and the Mountain made it back and Cat didn’t?

    And there’s a female presence added in the show when something bad is happening to another woman – the waif is the one that is most antagonistic to Arya, the SHAME woman, Myranda helping Ramsay, Ellaria going after Myrcella.

    Then there’s the rape which gradually adds up, and spending minutes on sex scenes that don’t really add to the story while the camera focuses on the women.

    I think women are more likely (but not always) the ones to notice how all these things build up, I’m not saying they are women hating sexists – more that they simply haven’t taken a minute to reflect on their portrayal of women. This is usually where a female presence comes in handy.

    However if women complain about this stuff, we get accused of being against nudity (I’m not btw), thinking that no rape should ever be done in fiction, I’m not, it can be done very well. But GRRM and D&D have clearly not done their research on rape (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects), or rape in medieval times (frequency, age of victims, status of victims, abusers) people seem to have come to the conclusion that all women were raped back then, and that girls were married off as children and it’s just plain wrong, like I get that GRRM has only researched the big usually popular historical events, and I’ve enjoyed the parallels of those events but if you are going to go back to rape (an issue that is still so serious today) so often at least have your facts right.

    This is also an issue that I take with fandom over historical women, fandom seems to think women had no power “back then”, which is also just plain wrong. Ironically scholars have said that this misconception seems to have come from the media, and is now self-perpetuating.

  330. Mihnea:
    Be wary Luka you woke the Dragon! LOL!

    Mwahahah! I was like, is the Dragon Luka’s mama? Oh, Luka. You are in such big trouble when you get home.

  331. plop_plop:
    Not sure if it was posted yet, but this trailer is specifically being called out as “Trailer #1″… so hopefully more to come

    The official YT channel lists it as the “GoT Season 6 Trailer”. Sounds like this will be it.

  332. The Night’s King that Bran sees has a less developed ice crown than the Night’s King that JS confronts. Mayhaps Bran sees a younger version or a different Night’s King.

    My ‘show spoilers’ button isn’t working, fyi.

  333. Manderly's Assistant Baker,

    Pretty much a no win situation with the extreme social justic warriors of the Internet. I like how you can look at something; not bother asking questions or doing research and just come to these incredibly cynical conclusions all by yourselves. You must be so proud, you’re acting like liberal versions of ol’ Joe McCarthy.

  334. Rusted: use women as an insulting comparison

    I read that as internalized misogyny on Brienne’s part. So maybe the writers wanted to make a point about that.

  335. Melisandre’s state of existential crisis leads me to think she has come to her own end as final sacrifice to resurrect JS, without knowing for certain her magic will work.

    Davos examines a pyre on a cliff. Shireen’s pyre is not on a cliff. I think Davos has burned Melisandre’s corpse and he’s making certain she is gone for good.

    If he is examining Shireen’s pyre, because who knows, he’ll find the little ship model he made for her nearby (because Dany’s ring). All the feels.

  336. I’m confused by Theon. When he crosses the river with Sansa, he has shaggy hair & a beard, but when he appears before the hounds, he’s had a shave & a haircut.

  337. Kit Hairyton:
    Manderly’s Assistant Baker,
    Pretty much a no win situation with the extreme social justic warriors of the Internet. I like how you can look at something; not bother asking questions or doing research and just come to these incredibly cynical conclusions all by yourselves. You must be so proud, you’re acting like liberal versions of ol’ Joe McCarthy.

    How many men are getting themselves naked in the trailer? I count two women, zero men.

    How many men are kissing other men in the trailer? I count two women, zero men.

    In the entire TV series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    In the entire book series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    In the entire TV series, how many naked men do we see compared to the number of naked women? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    That said, I don’t think all of this makes George or D&D bad or evil or anything very different from many of their male peers. I do think that it makes them not feminists. Very few men are.

  338. Please. Not this feminism argument all over again, let it go- you don’t know what her arc will be in S6. Jeez.

    Ginevra: I’m so glad to hear someone else thought this same thing.I do love George and D&D, but I have real issues with how they handle female sexuality.I wanted to label this picture as WhyDandDAreNotFeminists, since a poster recently complained that they were feminists, but I refrained.Until now.

  339. Those aren’t Winterfells chandeliers, I checked earlier. Those in the shot are cast iron with one tier of candles, Winterfells are made of wooden frames consisting of two tiers of candles. It is known.

    Weirwood Nut:
    Much excitement! I am so happy this website exists.

    Would like to add:

    What are the chances JS is resting there inside Ghost?

    Didn’t we assume Brienne beheaded Stannis based on her words and the type of swing she was making? If so, Stannis can’t be the burning man unless they sewed his head back on.

    Sansa is in a place with recognizeable chandeliers and blue cast atmosphere. I think she’s doubled back to Winterfell(usually a blue cast atmosphere) or is at the Eyrie (a golden cast atmosphere but blue in the throne room). Winterfell would make sense if she calculated that the Boltons would have gone in search for her. Otherwise she may be found by Brienne or Littlefinger and taken to either place after battles.

    Dany is looking up at the skies and no one else is. Is she calling Drogon in her mind? This situation reminds me of her distressed state on the balcony of the pyramid when Drogon showed up behind her; also in her distress in the fighting pit. Drogon has had time to heal and may be coming for her.

    If we think the dragon shown in the trailer isn’t Drogon, then perhaps the pics of Tyrion and torch show us he makes his way to the crypts to release Drogon’s siblings?

  340. Wylie: I read that as internalized misogyny on Brienne’s part. So maybe the writers wanted to make a point about that.

    I absoulutely see where you are coming from, but if they were going to make a point – shouldn’t they actually made one, and it’s never been touched on again.

    It’s a tropey trap that male writers seem to fall into, that if women do things that are stereotypically manly, ergo they must hate women. They’ve done it with a FEW of the ladies now, and never pointed it out. And book Brienne was so admiring of the strength of women, esp Cat – it was a refreshing change. I actaully would love to see them do something like that, but they never have.

    I do think it’s important to point out that as a whole, the context isn’t great. People often think women are complaining about nothing when they point this stuff out, but the thing is – I wouldn’t mind most of this stuff in separate contained instances (and would likely brush off anyone who did for being a bit too harsh about a simple line), some of them I would even really LOVE to have (e.g. like you said a woman dealing with her internal misogyny, which I feel GRRM MIGHT have been trying to do with Cersei, but idk).

    I think that overall the way I feel about women in general in GoT, could drastically change if they pull their socks up and just take a second to think about why for some people Sansa’s rape was the straw that broke the (almost broken) camel’s back. I really didn’t want to mention that rape in particular because it tends to derail the conversation but the reason why I do, is because I’m hoping the outcry might have given the writers a second to go ‘wait a minute.. let’s be a bit more conscious on how our treatment of women is coming off’. I had hoped the J/C anger would do it, but alas the Sansa scene (which while I had problems with that whole thing, that rape was the one that was directed was the one that was handled the best) was followed up with the Gilly scene (followed up by her sleeping with Sam ack!).

    So if the next three seasons are a bit more conscious on that front I think that it will drastically affect my feelings on the series as a whole.

  341. My mind, omg I can’t stop it, help me!

    What if

    Melisandre resurrects JS and JS omg plunges his valerian steel sword into Mel: Azor Ahai! [\spoiler].

    O.M.G.

  342. Shy Lady Dragon,

    And maybe it won’t be a change like one from Stephen King’s Pet Semetary as much as Jon changing how he sees things or what he believes in/to be right. Anything can happen at this point.

  343. EwokThisWay,

    I was more commenting on how ridiculous it looks, so it would be vintage Mace. Some more threatening Tyrells are definitely needed, Olenna is intimidating but i don’t think she’ll win many sword fights

  344. Are you actually sitting counting instances of nudity/sex? Come on!

    For one thing… Nobody in that trailer is getting naked (get it right), one is semi naked.

    And there have been plenty of instances of male nudity. Maybe not as many as females but Jesus, we’ve had scenes in brothels, rapes at Crasters keep etc that require (guess what) sex and (guess what) nudity- both male and female. People got naked back then and they got raped. A lot.

    And another matter- the proportion of same sex couples today is WAY less than heterosexuals couples and astronomically less so in medieval times so you cannot possibly even use that as an argument- of course you’ll see less of this from statistical point of view.

    Question- did you complain when you saw Loras and Ollie banging? Did you complain when Dany demanded Daario strip off for her, portraying him as nothing more than on object for her satisfaction? Did you complain when Theon was castrated? Some how I don’t believe you did.

    Ginevra: How many men are getting themselves naked in the trailer?I count two women, zero men.

    How many men are kissing other men in the trailer?I count two women, zero men.

    In the entire TV series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions?I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    In the entire book series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions? I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    In the entire TV series, how many naked men do we see compared to the number of naked women?I don’t need to count to know it is inequitable.

    That said, I don’t think all of this makes George or D&D bad or evil or anything very different from many of their male peers.I do think that it makes them not feminists.Very few men are.

  345. Am having probs with ‘spoiler’ bracket not showing up at beginning of spoiler, gdi. Very sorry everyone. No edit button to be seen.

  346. Apollo,

    HER?
    I take it you think this is about Sansa again. When it clearly is not, it’s about small instances of women in the show in general and how it adds up. If you had actually bothered to read the comments you are complaining about you would know.

  347. Ginevra,

    Get over yourself. You have no right to call them feminists OR anti-feminists. Fucking disgusts me.

    If you want to see the so-called uneven playing field more even, go write a male orgy or whatever the hell would satisfy you. If it’s well written, I will read/watch it. Enough said.

  348. Rygritte:
    I’m confused by Theon. When he crosses the river with Sansa, he has shaggy hair & a beard, but when he appears before the hounds, he’s had a shave & a haircut.

    Maybe he found two bits? (Sorry, I couldn’t resist.)

  349. I knew someone would try to dismiss the talk of how women are treated in the show as either – you hate nudity! you are just a book purist! you’re calling them anti-feminists! this is about Sansa again!

    Nope.nope and nope.

    It’s about how treatment of women in the show adds up. I like nudity, but it’s uncomfortable when it’s weighted so heavily one way (do men not need to get naked to have sex or something?), I respect shows that do their research about rape (esp because there are so many misconceptions, that are most heavily distributed by media in particular) but unfortunately GoT hasn’t.

    All the people I’ve seen in this thread talking about it haven’t said D&D hate women, just that 1 – they are misinformed, 2 – they haven’t reflected on the way they have presented women and 3 – that they don’t hate women but can’t be deemed feminists.

    I tried to address all of these points beforehand, in the hopes that people would actually take that into account before deriding.

  350. Is there any chance that it could be Bloodraven saying “He’s gone” at the very start? I don’t know the voices well enough, but if I recall, there was a similar scene in the books where Bran wanted to try to warn his father about something and BR had to make the point that he couldn’t do that because Ned was dead. It would fit in thematically with the previous Bran teaser.

    This is minor and the result of too much obsessive rewatching, but doesn’t Longclaw have garnets for eyes? As Davos grabs it in that final scene, it looks like it has blue-ish eyes – which I hope is not a foreshadowing of an ultimate blue-eyed fate for Jon.

  351. Huh?? I never mentioned Sansa other than in relation to chandeliers!

    I’m referring to Yara’s arc… you know, the one that everyone is getting their knickers/ boxers/ briefs in a twist over. Who may actually be gay and who may want to do something about by (OMFG) , getting it on with another woman! For nothing…because (as I said quite clearly) nobody knows what her (Yara’s) arc is next season. Its you who needs to read the comments!

    Rusted:
    Apollo,

    HER?
    I take it you think this is about Sansa again. When it clearly is not, it’s about small instances of women in the show in general and how it adds up. If you had actually bothered to read the comments you are complaining about you would know.

  352. Ginevra:
    In the entire TV series, how many men/men makeout sessions occur compared to the number of women/women makeout sessions?

    Actually… correct me if I’m wrong, but among named characters? I’d say there had been more men/men. Loras and Renly, Loras and Olyvar and Oberyn and Olyvar. For the ladies? Only Dany trying out some stuff for Drogo in Season 1, no?

    I could be totally misremembering, but that’s how I remember it.

    Also, honestly, Yara is an auxiliary character in a secondary plot (Theon’s). Why do people care so much?

  353. Ginevra,

    That said, I don’t think all of this makes George or D&D bad or evil or anything very different from many of their male peers. I do think that it makes them not feminists. Very few men are.

    So, feminist writers would have written a series – based on medieval times – that depicts a feminist(perfectly equal) social landscape?

  354. So if Gregor is about to destroy Lancel and the Faith Militant, who will fight him in Cersei’s trial by combat?

  355. Blanche Holstein: Ty again, never too old for learning fascinating new things!

    I should add that I read that many years ago when (somewhat ironically) the question came up of whether GRRM used the “RR” in the middle to remind people of JRR Tolkien. That was viewed as potentially crass. It then was pointed out that there was another George Martin who was pretty well-known: the Beatles’ producer. And even though it might seem like a stretch that a fantasy writer would try to fool people into thinking he was a music producer, but weirder things have happened.

    The upshot? If George RR Martin makes you think of JRR Tolkien and Hobbits, then it was to avoid making you think of George Martin and Beatles.

  356. El-Bobby,

    I concur! My thoughts as well immediately as I heard the line. People were saying maybe he’s talking to Missandei or Greyworm, but that doesn’t make sense to me. And it doesn’t make sense to Varys either.

    Only other option imo is if he’s speaking to the new red witch

  357. Selina,

    Whilst Weirwood and chilling Bran watches the TOJ flashback, he then informs Meera she has to go back to Greywatch and get Howland to send Ravens to all the Lords declaring Jons true identity.

  358. So I’ll ask you the same question as I asked Ginevra:

    Did you complain when you saw Loras and Ollie banging?

    Did you complain when Dany demanded Daario strip off for her, portraying him as nothing more than on object for her satisfaction?

    Did you complain when Theon was castrated?

    I think I know what the answer will be.

    Rusted:

  359. Apollo,

    But the only one that dismissed the Yara thing outright said that she might be wrong, and was going off the context that female sexualitly in GoT has been so far. So I don’t know why you’d argue with that.

    And Ginerva (like I) was speaking more of women’s treatment on the show in general, and how a lot of these small things would be nothing to complain about on their own but that add up quite quickly when put in context in the show as a whole. No-one was still arguing about Yara (the reason why I assumed it was Sansa you were complaining about is because you were also discussing rape on the show – and that seems to be the one everyone argues about) sorry for assuming regardless.

  360. The CGI at Vaes Dothrak looked good. The Dothraki crowd had to have some CGI going on.

  361. Hoping Yara becomes iron born Oberyn. Would make that storyline interesting.

    How should a feminist director approach a decidedly non-feminist world and canon? And one so devoted to the grinding arbitrary unfairness and cruelty of its society? If D&D were feminist, would they have to turn in their card for not taking a red sharpie to the rules of GRRM’s world!

  362. Yaga,

    EXACTLY! I totally forgot about Olyvar and Oberyn (and Obara for that matter). Because its really not important.

  363. Rusted,

    it’s about how treatment of women in the show adds up.

    …”adds up” to what?

    All the people I’ve seen in this thread talking about it haven’t said D&D hate women, just that 1 – they are misinformed,

    D&D is misinformed about what? About rape? About women? How, specifically, are they misinformed?

  364. Hey, in that last scene, with Davos, the man standing to his right – doesn’t that look a lot like Benjen? Also, the scene after Mel strips, the hand on Jon’s face, seems to be someone in leather (not Mel, not Davos). Maybe I’m digging at straws.

  365. fierce as a wolverine,

    I think it’s The Hound, honestly. Now I can’t hear anyone else when I listen to it!

    And if you’re privy to the Gravedigger, you should know that the line – “He’s gone.” – is quite pertinent and applicable to that theory.

  366. Rusted,

    And Ginerva (like I) was speaking more of women’s treatment on the show in general,

    Women are treated badly on the show? Do you mean women actors?

  367. Rusted: Plus, there’s the fact that D&D have nothing to do with marketing. Cogman didn’t even know when the trailer would even be released, let alone what was in it (and arguably, he’s the one most involved with the show after D&D).

    What?!?! Don’t you know that it is “naive” to think that B&W do not have input on and even control of everything?!?!?

    😀

    Seriously, a big reason why we cannot put too much stock in trailers is that the people who put them together are very good at sequencing enticing looking shots and dialog. Sure, they usually know the story: but they know it at the level of “this season is about killing off your inner child and becoming the Man/Woman.” The producers role is limited to providing them with a lot of material to use: which means that they, of course, do not include the equivalent of Gollum falling into Mt. Doom with the Ring or something like that. (We often get material in trailers that winds up cut from the final films, too.)

    That is why, for example, I noted that Melisandre uncloaking right before showing Jon could well be an unintentional foreshadowing of her figurative uncloaking when she plays the vessel of R’hllor for Jon: it’s possible that the people who made this do not know that specific detail. (The obviously know that Jon being dead needs stressing and we have blurry evidence that they know that Jon is going to come riding back into things with a vengance, with Elvis seeming to be riding next to him….)

  368. Anyway….. I don’t wanna get into negativity when I’m so delighted by this amazing trailer.

    What I love is that there are still a few surprises in there that Sue and the team haven’t revealed. Which is great because although I’ve loved getting all these titbits (and huge spoilers) on what’s to come, part of me was worried there’ll be few shocks or surprises for us to enjoy in S6. But look what they’ve given us (and much more to come in April/May)!

    For example Meera’s saviour at 1:06 that we’ve mentioned. My money is on Benjen as there is no casting for Coldhands that we know of…maybe they ‘ll combine elements of the two (I know they are not related in the books).

  369. My quick thoughts (without reading the other comments yet)…

    1. I LOVE THIS. So good!! Bran and The Night’s King OMFG.

    2. I fear for Theon. Hopefully Brienne saves the day.

    3. The ringed hand near the flame might be the new Red Priestess there was talk of.

    4. Tormund better not be flayed! I think the flayed hotdog might be Stannis but who knows… still better not be Tormund.

    5. The Lancel Boy Band member to the right is totally pulling Blue Steel.

  370. Manderly's Assistant Baker: women

    In my mind I’m trying to be like “ok maybe D&D are just trying to be inclusive and this will be a beautiful touching relationship” but historically giving them the benefit of the doubt has led to disappointment. Especially because they have definitely made Brienne and Arya more manly/violent and de-emphasized their emotional development. So it’s probably an effort to make Yara more of a bro. Ugh.

  371. Apollo:
    So I’ll ask you the same question as I asked Ginevra:

    Did you complain when you saw Loras and Ollie banging?

    Did you complain when Dany demanded Daario strip off for her, portraying him as nothing more than on object for her satisfaction?

    Did you complain when Theon was castrated?

    I think I know what the answer will be.

    I doubt it.

    I didn’t complain about Loras and Renly sleeping together because a gay sex scene is not exactly frequent. However I DID complain that they made Loras’ character entirely about him being gay, and a stereotypical one at that (which even that actor has noted ffs).

    I disliked the Daario/Dany scene because she has power over him and the dynamics in her telling him to strip off were a little weird.

    And I absolutley complained about Theon’s castration – for several reasons.
    1 – the weird sex thing before hand was bad, he could not give consent, the whole thing was gross.
    2 – if they decided that they HAD to do it, it could have been subtler.
    3 – I hated that they got a ot of drama and jokes out of it but didn’t really show the affects of it on Theon (if you’re going to do something like that, do your research and damn well do it properly).
    4 – it wasn’t realistic at all, he definitely would have died.

    These are some of the same issues I have with the treatment of women.
    I like nudity, but i does not have to be weighted so heavily one way (THAT is when it begins to become uncomfortable), both people need a certain amount of clothes off, and it has not been that way so far. The camera usually focuses on naked men and women differently.

    There’s been a lot of straight women kissing – not realistic.
    Historically there would be a lot more same-sex relationships and a lot more racial diveristy.

    Medieval girls WERE NOT married off as children and GRRM and D&D like to hide behind historical accuracy when it is blatantly false (as I pointed out above), if they are going to do a lot of rape, they should do their research (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects) and on medieval rape (victims, abusers, status and age of victims etc).

    Fandom has also stood behind ‘women did not have a lot of power in those times’ which is false, and ‘same-sex relations were rare’ which again is false.
    Ironically scholars have said that misconceptions about things like this have primarily come from media – which is why it is so important that they get their facts right.

    They seem to have done enough research on death and violence, why did not they not do enough on these aspects?

  372. I don’t believe that is Jon in the blurry shot of a long haired guy in the battle. James Hibberd pretty much says so, and he has very close access to the show. Plus,

    Jon is wearing his hair pulled back like Ned in S1 during the battle.

    That is the Kingsguard armor that Arthur Dayne is wearing, not just Targaryen guardsman, IMO. In the filming spoilers, there was at least 1 other Kingsguard that was present and wearing the same armor. I believe the fact that they are kingsguard is an important part of the scene.

  373. Here’s my speculation on what might happen with Jon, Davos, etc.:

    Jon wargs into Ghost as he is bleeding out. Then either (1) assuming Ghost was locked up, Ghost/Jon causes a tremendous commotion which alerts Davos, Edd, Mel, etc., or (2) Ghost was not locked up and he goes to Davos’ or Edd’s room and alerts them. Either way, Ghost/Jon leads them to the body which they notice has the warging eyes. Mel recognizes what has happened and informs Davos, etc.. They whisk the body away to a secure room along with Ghost and stand guard over it while Mel figures out what to do. Meanwhile, Thorne and company find out and attempt to get into the room.

    Let me save Wimsey some cutting and pasting – gun has not been hung, can’t warg back after dying, would be bad storytelling.

  374. Anon,

    Funny when people think they know what goes on behind closed doors and in peoples heads and that they are misinformed about something.
    People, for some reason, cannot separate fiction from reality. Yes, the topics discussed are real world problems. But why does a fictional fantasy show need to be overanalyzed about how these real world problems are portrayed or handled. Separate the two. I watch game of thrones and I come here as a hobby and fun thing to do, because it is not the real world. And I am saying this as a woman, who originates from a country where women are still somewhat oppressed in parts of it. I know how to separate reality and fiction.

  375. Anon,

    I’ve pointed this out in a few of my comments in this thread quite recently too.

    They have many misconceptions of what women were like in medieval times, what rape was like in those times, how much power women had in those times and rape in general.

  376. Wimsey,

    That made me laugh. XD

    Oh yeah and of course I’m so excited about the whole Jon/Davos/Mel stuff (wow, that’s a really weird devil’s threeway).

    And I’m pumped for Tyrion possibly releasing the dragons.

    AND The Hound possibly coming back.

    Uhg, how many more days? 46? That’s too long

  377. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/20/AR2010072002941.html

    The human capacity for tracking and navigation is tremendous, but not something that’s easy to teach. Folks who are good at it have built that intuition throughout their lives, and people who didn’t grow up around it aren’t going to understand half of it because it entails seeing the entire world through a specific lens.

    Point is that, yes, it’s quite plausible for Joraragorn to find a bauble in the middle of nowhere, and if you’re skeptical you’re just going to have to accept that some skills are so intuitive that they can’t be explained.

  378. Deesensfan: And I am saying this as a woman, who originates from a country where women are still somewhat oppressed in parts of it. I know how to separate reality and fiction.

    How long did you live in Texas?

    😀

    Seriously, though: most of the highly acclaimed programs and books do wrestle with pressing social issues. One of the reasons why Epic Fantasy is held in such low regard is because it too often looks to be (and too often is) just escapist fun. One reason why SciFi is held in so much higher regard is because so much SciFi actively grapples with analogs of modern issues, and even extensions of them.

    To that end, a big reason why Thrones is defying the norms and getting such rave reviews is because it does show how awful it was for women in something like a medieval European society. (And, no: women basically had almost no rights: they were property of fathers or brothers, and then of husbands, and held in thrall by a religion that equated any independence by women with sin.) You should NOT want to live in Westeros: and if the show made you want to do so, then it would have gone as disastrously wrong as the Shanara series….

  379. Mihnea:
    Apollo,

    Good thing you reminded me.

    Cersei fingering Taena wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    Irri doing the same with Dany wasn’t ”pure shock value/fetishizing women” and hell Irri goes too sleep the next second like nothing hapened and Dany never thinks of it again.
    Nym sleeping with 2 twins wasn’t done for ”pure shock value/fetishizing women”.
    But somewhat Yara kissing a girl is. So the real problem is again what it always is, it’s different then it is in the books.

    The hypocrisy is unbelievable.

    It’s not hypocrisy. It’s different creators, different gaze, different handling of the situation. GRRM generally comes across as exploring the psychology of the interaction while D&D generally come across as making sure the 18-45yo male viewer demographic isn’t tempted to change the channel.

  380. Deesensfan,

    Good point. It definitely looks like they’re on display for taunting purposes though. It’s someone the Bolton’s want to show off to provoke a response for sure. Then again it could be just a random dude… the first of many Stannis soldiers strung up.

    Oh, I just realized I meant the left Lancel Boy Band member in my previous post. Derp.

  381. Ser Roger Sterling:
    The Red Wedding Planner,

    Hey, somebody’s got to tell the rest of the world what Bran learns about Jon’s parentage.

    Jojen could do this during Bran’s dreams, why cannot Bran do it ? Or whisper through the weirwood trees. Or even send the raven-sms himselves, since there are a lot of them there and he can warg into one. Or he can warg into someone to write the massage with their own hands, a lot of possibilities, not just running into White Walkers or send Meera out to die

  382. Wimsey,

    Hahaha! I live in Canada, but I am from Lebanon.

    No, I agree with you.
    It’s still fiction though. Over the top fiction. If its too much for people to handle, they should watch the Shanara series lol

  383. Great – then you can acknowledge that its not one-sided at all. Men get the flack as do women on the show.

    Rusted: I doubt it.

    I didn’t complain about Loras and Renly sleeping together because a gay sex scene is not exactly frequent. However I DID complain that they made Loras’ character entirely about him being gay, and a stereotypical one at that (which even that actor has noted ffs).

    Actually he’s not portrayed as a stereotypical gay man at all. And I am somewhat of an expert on the matter.

    Historically there would be a lot more same-sex relationships and a lot more racial diveristy.

    Really? Where?

    Medieval girls WERE NOT married off as children

    Yes they were- from the age of 12 onwards. It even still goes on today in some countries if you look at the news.

    if they are going to do a lot of rape, they should do their research (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects) and on medieval rape (victims, abusers, status and age of victims etc).

    Well I think it’s just as important that they produce a damn fine entertainment show…not a 100% historically accurate documentary accounting the sociological and psychological implications of all these pretty nasty acts. And guess what-they have.

  384. Wimsey,

    For the show, they would not confuse viewers with multiple night Kings’ actors. But it might definitely be a flash back to an earlier long night. Who says the night king can not be that old (in the tv show anyway)

  385. Thats not Mel standing next to the fire, its Dany. Shes wearing the same ring that jorah finds on the ground in the above pic

  386. I don’t particularly want to talk about this but any time anyone points out that the show is not great in general when it comes to women, people like to argue to the death about it.

    I love the books and the show! If I didn’t I wouldn’t criticize it! There are a lot of amazing interesting women! I enjoy them very much!

    However (I’ve just seen a comment dismissing my hope for realistic treatment of women as silly because it’s a fantasy world) the only reason I bring up the inaccuracies in the FIRST place, is because whenever GRRM, OR D&D are criticized because of the way the show treats women – their defense is ALWAYS we aren’t sexist, we do those things because ‘medieval times’ or ‘historically’.

    Therefore it can be deduced that they only put rape etc in because they think it’s historically accurate/realistic. But they’ve based these off of common misconceptions, and it doesn’t take a lot of research to figure it out.

    I really really love the historical event parallels, they are fascinating. And GRRM has said that he loves the popular historical events, but doesn’t seem to know much outside of that (a point I could argue, he’s got a lot of the food/garments right but alas).

    And just because a woman finds a fault in the overall way that women are represented does not mean that they do not complain about things like gay stereotyping, and what happened to Theon.

    As I’ve said a few times now, that if they start to be a bit more conscious as a team about the representation of women in the next few seasons – I think that would drastically affect my feelings on women in the series as a whole.

  387. Wall Builder: gun has not been hung, can’t warg back after dying, would be bad storytelling.

    3 out of 3! It’d give you stars, but I don’t know the emoticon command for that.

    To this scenario, we can add: it’s not necessary. After all, real dogs do similar things, so why wouldn’t Ghost do that for Jon? (Of course, if something like this does happen, then I suppose that many book-readers will insist that Jon must have warged into Ghost to get it done, even though Bran could not even get Summer to hunt for him when he was warging!)

    That written, your general scenario is quite plausible: Ghost might very well lead Edd or Davos to Jon’s body, much the way dogs have been known to lead people to hurt owners. But this is another case where I think that readers inserting their imaginations is leading them to conclusions about how the audience will react that are incorrect. People will not wonder: “how did the Dire Wolf do that?!?!?” He’s a frickin’ big dog, that’s how: Jon’s stench and his blood would be painfully obvious to Ghost from far, far away. (We primates have horrible senses of smell: but your dog or cat will know which socks are yours and which are someone else’s even if you’ve just bleached them, and entirely by the smell; and if they seem to just “know” when you are coming home, it’s because they smell you from a distance.)

    Similarly, I’ve noticed that people think that if B&W do not show Jon’s mind being stored somewhere else while he is dead, then the audience will wonder how it got downloaded back into his body. However, Beric did not have a USB drive of any sort with him, either. Moreover, why would anyone assume that some sort of “hard drive reformatting” is necessary? Most people know that the mind is in your brain: restart the brain quickly enough, and the mind comes back with it. (Leaving the brain off for any extended time does cause brain damage, however: but if Mel can jumpstart Jon, then that being “healed” will be the least fantastic element.)

    Let’s look at it this way: anything that was not necessary for Beric should not be necessary for Jon.

  388. Rants: For the show, they would not confuse viewers with multiple night Kings’ actors.

    Oh, no, I doubt that they would confuse anyone with less then eidetic memory, and even most of them would not care. Indeed, I would not have noticed, except: I just watched the first episode in which the Night’s King appears! It just looks like the same guy to me. Of course, there have to be lots and lots of people who could be made to look like that with makeup and prosthetics. It could easily be the case that the differences would become obvious in an extended scene. (It’s no different from seeing someone and mistaking them for someone else until you get a good look a them.)

  389. Aryamad:
    If someone doesn’t snatch up that screen name right now I will be so surprised.

    I just copyrighted it, so if you want it, send me a check….

  390. Connor:
    About the last shot, those Night’s Watch brothers are the ones loyal to Jon Snow, and as Davos unsheathes Longclaw they do as well, readying their swords to fight Thorne and his mutineers after they breakdown the door. I have a feeling Edd is in the same room as them.

    Agreed. This is exactly what’s happening. Davos was standing way too close to those other men to have time for a monologue and then start fighting them. But fighting with them, against whomever is on the other side of the door, that makes sense. My guess is that Davos is trying to prevent Jon’s body from being taken and burned by Thorne and co. OR Davos is trying to take Jon’s body away from Thorne, somewhere safe and good for resurrections.

  391. Apollo,

    A stereotypical gay man, as in that is all his character is. The wedding scene for example. There is no depth to his character at all in the show.

    Nope – Medieval women were usually over 20 when married.
    Young girls being married off became more of a thing around 1400’s – a lot of Italian nobles wanted to forge connections with others families, became popular in France and England to secure alliances.

    Due to travel, there was more diversity in Europe than pre-Viking era. Homosexuality was not persecuted very much at all until post 1100’s. Due to the rise of the Catholic Church.

    I don’t think they have to be accurate to history AT ALL tbh. It;s good to explore social issues – which they seem to want to do. The only reason I mention it as inaccurate is because they use accuracy as the reason for including it in the first place.

  392. Thank you for this comprehensive list. After musing it over, I’d suggest the following additions:
    – Drogon. I don’t think it’s a detached and/or mandatory episode of a dragon flying. It seems the animators tried to depict that the dragon is injured and not moving in the usual way. This can be the scene following immediately where we left off Dany, whereas Drogon is escaping due to his injuries, or very likely is ordered by Dany to escape, which leads for the Khalazar to capture her.

    – Cercei. First image is definitely not from the Lancel scene. She is dressed differently. She seems to be looking far ahead, maybe in anticipation of the ship Dorne ship sailing towards the Red Keep. Looks like she is hoping to see her daughter and Jaimie.

    – High Sparrow is certainly talking to a man in armor. Hard to deduce who exactly, but given the likeness to the armor of the Kingsguard, it could in fact be Jaimie, and the scene is probably happeneing before the confrontation at Baelor’s Scept. Notice how Jaimie is at the middle, which could be indicative of him trying to defuse the situation after this conversation with High Sparrow.

    – Sansa. In the image where she is shown crying, she didn’t just gain shelter, but also some furs, in all likelyhood after Brienne saves her. So, probably this is her reacting to whatever Brienne is updating her on, and not a scene at Castle Black, as the background seems to depict a rather run-down construction that would not fit well with Caste Black.

    – Tommen and Cercei scenes may indeed be misleading. In the latter image, she looks triumphant and is actually wearing the same dress as during the encounter with Lancel, but Robert Strong’s armor seems to be dented, so maybe this is the scene following the violent encounter.

    – Littlefinger. Heads will turn, but Littlefinger looks much younger to me in this scene in Godswood. It may be one of Bran’s visions showing his encounter with Catelyn. Could it be that the showrunners are setting up Sansa + Jon with the reveleations of Tower of Joy and this scene in Godswood?

    – Yara. Women kissing, and I bet my last dollar that this is the gift that she received from Euron during/post Kingsmoot. So, without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Dusky Woman. It also makes sense considering that we may not see Vicatarion after all, and Yara could fill in this role.

    – Jon’s Charge. If one looks close enough, colors of the horses that are charging seem to be very closely resembling the ones depicted earlier. So, again, the scene from the battle for Winterfell. The charge is very likely saving Tormund’s day.

    Cheers

  393. teunteulai,

    Good point. We don’t yet know what Bran’s new powers all entail. Then again, Jojen wasn’t contacting just anyone through their dreams. Bran was special.

  394. Jack Bauer 24: How could that be Jon in the battle? Doesn’t he have a man bun now?

    Exactly! It’s like that silly idea that Clark Kent is Superman. Clark Kent wears glasses: duh! Some people just let their hair down too often…..

  395. The part where Melisandre lays her hand over Jon’s body i felt i in my heart that she was reviving him, even though i have always been more of a “Jon wargs into Ghost” guy. But the way Ghost rests by Jon’s body and morns him i think that that’s actully no one but Ghost him self and that Jon is coming back in another way. But he is coming back, we all know this

  396. Apollo:
    Great – then you can acknowledge that its not one-sided at all. Men get the flack as do women on the show.

    Actually he’s not portrayed as a stereotypical gay man at all. And I am somewhat of an expert on the matter.

    Historically there would be a lot more same-sex relationships and a lot more racial diveristy.

    Really? Where?

    Medieval girls WERE NOT married off as children

    Yes they were- from the age of 12 onwards. It even still goes on today in some countries if you look at the news.

    if they are going to do a lot of rape, they should do their research (statistics, biological effects, psychological effects) and on medieval rape (victims, abusers, status and age of victims etc).

    Well I think it’s just as important that they produce a damn fine entertainment show…not a 100% historically accurate documentaryaccounting the sociological and psychological implications of all these pretty nasty acts. And guess what-they have.

    If you think Loras is not portrayed as The Gay Guy in the show, I’m not sure what kind of metric you are working with. Loras’s characterization has been one of the most annoying minor-character issues for me.

    There are a handful of examples of noble under-16’s being married off during medieval times. That doesn’t make it normal practice. Child marriage today is a different issue (i.e. it’s done for different reasons, not because powerful families are determined to make alliances.)

    I’m glad you find irresponsible portrayals of rape and sexuality “damn fine entertainment.” Alas, some of us are bothered by it and it makes the show much harder to enjoy. If the show is going to pretend to grapple with Issues they should, in fact, do more research and not hide behind “historical accuracy” when in fact they are not even doing that.

  397. Aw. Rest in peace Sir George Martin. Some don’t know it, but after a session back in the early 60’s, HE was the one to add and track in the piano and even some of the harmony for the Beatles. He had 90 great years on the planet. Rock n Roll heaven waits for him and he has friends there already.

  398. Wimsey,

    Yes, I think that if the warg thing was going to happen, they would have acknowledged that Jon could do it a while back. Or at least clumsily this season – as they did with the Lyanna talk, which just makes me think it’s even more likely it won’t happen.

    They might to a shortcut to appease book-readers, like having Ghost be protective of the body etc.

    I don’t think they are going to want to wast time with a bunch of exposition on the mechanics of that anyway, on the screen it lessens the dramatic impact.

  399. Jack Bauer 24,

    And he doesn’t seem to hold Longclaw as well, which is a fairly big sword and could be shown clearly in this still but then again nobody can give a clear answer as to the identity of this figure…

  400. Wimsey: To that end, a big reason why Thrones is defying the norms and getting such rave reviews is because it does show how awful it was for women in something like a medieval European society. (And, no: women basically had almost no rights: they were property of fathers or brothers, and then of husbands, and held in thrall by a religion that equated any independence by women with sin.) You should NOT want to live in Westeros: and if the show made you want to do so, then it would have gone as disastrously wrong as the Shanara series….

    Oh Wimsey….don’t even get me started on the Shannara series again. Ugh. Thank goodness there are still the books! I’ll need to read them again to scrub the imagery of tbe first three episodes out of my head.

    And I love what you said about the accurate portrayal of women in the series for the time period. I love the medieval era and can appreciate George’s attention to historical detail and I’m glad D&D have been able to keep that theme strong throughout the series, regardless of the feminist backlash. Feminists need to realize that these kinds of storylines about the characters exhibit what helped birth the movement. We should never forget where and what we came from.

  401. Rusted: Homosexuality was not persecuted very much at all until post 1100’s. Due to the rise of the Catholic Church.

    Actually, it has been argued that the putative “tolerance” of homosexuality by “pagan” religions was propaganda by the Catholic Church: those evil pagans embrace sodomy! After all, the Christians said the same thing about the Muslims at different times. (Amusingly, the Muslims believed the same thing about Christians and Jews!)

    In primitive societies, breeding a lot was very necessary for a variety of reasons. If nothing else, then the survival of clans/tribes/villages frequently came down to numbers of people. Moreover, in those societies, most of the people represented cousins, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins, etc. When animals organize like that, kin selection starts strongly influencing behavior: and in humans, that always manifests itself in morality. That is why the gods hate birth control: they want “us” to outbreed “them” (and take enslave their women and children and take all of their stuff), and we need lots of babies to do that.

    When you get down to it, the difference between most groups of people at that time and most groups of chimpanzees at that time was that the humans could talk about how humans were different.

  402. Blind Beth,

    Thank you. I find it hard to believe that if someone pointed out the inaccuracies to them, that they would go ‘lol we’ll just keep having women raped all the time anyway’, they aren’t sexists, they are trying. They just need to be a bit more responsible. I can’t believe that women hoping for better representation next season dissolved into ‘you hate men’, ‘you’re saying they hate women’, ‘you’re being too picky’.

    It should have been left at that, christ I even argued myself not to automatically assume that the scene between Yara and that women would be inaccurate. I remain positive about it until I see it. But to pretend other women don’t have a good reason to be pessimistic is bordering on obliviousness.

  403. dothrakian raven,

    I went back and compared pictures after your question. It seems the ice crowns are the same.
    The Night’s King Bran sees doesn’t have deep face ice wrinkles; the eyes aren’t glowing blue, as are in the the features in the JS Night’s King.

  404. What a stunning trailer. Thanks for the frame by frame break down. I am not sure that they are all correct in explanation, but certainly many are very close based on all the spoilers we got during the down time.

    For the Davos/Jon/Ghost/Edd and Co. part there, I believe that there is something more that we don’t know yet to happen. Someone up thread said that if the door is about to be broken down by Alisser and Co. and Davos/Ed and Co. have swords drawn to meet them, I believe that Ghost would be facing that way too. Think of any animal that hears a sound…they turn their heads and ears perk up. I would think that at that point Ghost would be on high alert, not just lying there/or standing by the table as the door was being brought down. So yes, there is something that we have yet to know about this whole scenario and I can’t wait to find out.

    I am SO satisfied with the trailer, great job for whomever puts it all together. My wall calendar shows the premier at 45 days from today, including that Sunday…44 if you exclude it. It is getting more and more manageable to take the wait. This was enough for me. What I don’t know already I will learn in those 10 wonderful weeks and I DO think that Season 6 is going to be (hate to use the word, but) epic. Maybe the best season ever!!

  405. scififantasygirl: Feminists need to realize that these kinds of storylines about the characters exhibit what helped birth the movement. We should never forget where and what we came from.

    I agree, but I do know that there is philosophical debate about that. Religious people often argue that it is “natural” for women to be subservient. Too many people felt that the way to undermine that argument was to assert that women as equals was truly natural.

    My view has always been: whether or not it is natural is absolutely irrelevant: knuckle-walking and sleeping in trees used to be “natural” too. 50% of the really smart people in the world are women, and I want really smart people for colleagues, postdocs and grad students (as well as for judges, elected leaders, etc.)

    So, yeah: where we started has no bearing on where we should be, but never forget that is where we started. And for the most part, I like what George does: some women buy into the system or don’t think about it, while others chafe under it.

  406. Rusted,

    Maybe one way they could nod that Jon has warged into Ghost without going into any exposition at all is by having Ghost’s eye color change from red to black (or dark brown?). Super easy and doesn’t take away any screen time.

  407. Grim: Yara. Women kissing, and I bet my last dollar that this is the gift that she received from Euron during/post Kingsmoot. So, without any further ado, ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Dusky Woman. It also makes sense considering that we may not see Vicatarion after all, and Yara could fill in this role.

    Hmm, and here I was thinking it’s ‘Carol the Maid’ … (teehee)

  408. Stargaryen,

    In the world where GPS systems and Google trumps all other forms of search methods, people often forget how tracking works.

    I totally agree! A ring is a small object, but Drogon left quite a mess from his meals, and that location is relatively close to where 100+ horses continuously rode in a circle, which would naturally leave the trampled ground a mess. Dany’s small circle would be untouched– personally, I would find that quite curious. The metal of the ring would stand out from the green grass. Just look at all the random stuff you see driving on the highway that you don’t even look for.

    Its probably easier to see if you’ve ever had horses or grown up with them. A frequently travelled trail or favorite spot is gonna look way more messed up than the other areas. And in such a remote area, I would find it odd to see the ground churned up in a pattern.

  409. Wimsey,

    Oooh! I could talk all day about the friction between the Pagans and the Catholic Church, but it probably isn’t the most appropriate thread.
    I do find it fascinating that homosexuality was so widely accepted between the Romans, the Greeks and Egyptians but became more and more of a problem as the Catholic Church grew into power. The things written in the bible make my head spin, there’s a reason why it wasn’t widely accepted at first (and the only reason it seems to be today, is that most people haven’t actually read it).

    I do find it interesting that ‘the Seven’ closely represents the Christianity and that the North so heavily relies on old Irish culture/the similarities between the Old Gods and Celtic Pagans Gods. I better stop before I begin rambling about Bronze and the resemblance between the downfall of the Starks/the North and the English Christians forcing Christianity on the Irish (so ironic that Ireland ended up heavily Catholic and then persecuted again because of the Church of England).

    Edit: look at that, i rambled anyway. Apologies, it’s I’m on some powerful painkillers at the minute due to tearing several ligaments and my spelling/grammar is going straight to hell.

  410. Weirwood Nut,

    The reason they put the Night’s King in the trailer is that after the colossal success of ep8 last season he is the very personification, almost iconic, of the White Walker danger. This is the only reason he is in the trailer that is already viewed more than 30mil times. And certainly not to signify within the span of a milisec a change in the character worth of inciting a discussion. Furthermore as it is extremely common with us humans the facial drags change considerably under different circumstances. The same I suppose applies to the NK unless his zombie make-up artist is funny. But all in all he is the same person as we saw him from the very beginning…

  411. JCDavis: am SO satisfied with the trailer, great job for whomever puts it all together. My wall calendar shows the premier at 45 days from today, including that Sunday…44 if you exclude it. It is getting more and more manageable to take the wait. This was enough for me. What I don’t know already I will learn in those 10 wonderful weeks and I DO think that Season 6 is going to be (hate to use the word, but) epic. Maybe the best season ever!!

    I completely and wholeheartedly agree about all of this. After all, good things come to those who wait….and epic things come to those who wait even longer. 😉

  412. fasads:
    Guys, GOT has the most retarded writing in history of television. I mean how the fuck did jorah and darrio find the ring in the grass? You do realize that is impossible. I mean it is like someone that wins 10 times in row 6/49 lotto. WTF is wrong with these stupid writers?

    I once lost a contact lens in a field, while riding a horse at full gallop. And I found that sucker. It almost made me give up being an atheist.

  413. Rusted,

    At least you’re not a hypocrite like Blind Beth who of course says Martin can’t do no bad,it’s the evil D &D who are the problem,fucking lazy fat tub of shit,fuck him and fuck his sychophant fanboys too .

  414. The Dragon Demands: Time spent on this kind of speculative thing is time that could be spent on wiki work, which is why I wait for more substantive stuff.

    It’s volunteer work. You do understand that, right? I hope you are not delusional. Basically, please stop demanding work from people, especially outside the confines of that non-wiki of yours that you run so tyranically (there are less pleasent adverbs that should go unmentioned in civilized conversation). And if you do want a reason, I will give it to you because I want to, not because you “demand” it: it usually feels hopeless to contribute in that hellhole, knowing you’ll edit out most of it and allow no discussion.

  415. Hawk: people often forget how tracking works.

    That is easy: if a leaf is from Lorien, then not idly does it fall. Ditto that rings from Valyria.

  416. Wimsey: Exactly!It’s like that silly idea that Clark Kent is Superman.Clark Kent wears glasses: duh!Some people just let their hair down too often…..

    Funny! lol In seriousness I’m taking a stab that he had it up during a rehearsal or between takes.

  417. Tyrion the Myrions:
    Rusted,

    At least you’re not a hypocrite like Blind Beth who of course can’t do no bad,it’s the evil D &D who are the problem,fucking lazy fat tub of shit,fuck him and fuck his sychophant fanboys too .

    Woah, I honestly can’t tell if you’re being serious, but either way maybe calm down? People don’t need to get aggressive about it, just logically state their opinions while trying to remain as unbiased as possible, and acknowledge that you are being biased if that’s not possible.

    If you are being serious, maybe don’t watch the show? Or are you talking about book-readers that criticize the show for stupid reasons? The books are complex, and layered – they are so incredibly detailed that I learn new things each read. But that doesn’t mean they’re perfect, there are plenty of problems with them too – just as there are some with the show.

  418. Just scanning this thread has given me a headache. Why are people arguing over such petty things that aren’t even related to the trailer?! Work your own issues out elsewhere and please focus on what the topic of conversation is.

  419. Joffrey’s Cunt: You’re right, Trailer 2 is coming!

    I had speculated on only one trailer – which would contain stuff that would be remixed into smaller tv spots (maybe with a new voiceover at most).

    But with this and so many characters not even shown, I wonder if we might get a second. I’d wager that a lot of this trailer would be mixed in with it though, to cut down on the amount of footage shown.

  420. Tyrion Pimpslap,

    They’d want to burn any body to keep it from rising as a wight.
    BunBunStark,

    Oh I hope that’s true. If they kill him – even to bring back Stark Jesus – I, and my husky dog, will be so pissed!

  421. Rusted,

    I’m looking forward to a trailer with Varys potentially being in it.

    I really hope they do his Kevan Lannister/Pycelle offing in the same style they did LittleFinger’s offing of Ros.

  422. Bran’s profile looks pretty similar to Jon’s now, Isaac is a man grown already.

    Speaking of, Euron looks mighty close in appearance to Theon, A+ casting.
    I’m glad that he doesn’t have the patch, I think it would have looked a little silly (especially being a pirate and all), hopefully if he does lose an eye in the show they’ll stick with prosthetics.

    If Arya is going to warg into Nymeria, the last chance for it to happen is while she’s blind. Would just feel odd for it to happen any later than that, also if there’s any fleeting chance for LSH (unlikely, too many ‘dead’ people returning this season) then the last window for it would also be while Arya is blind. She’d already have to be resurrected by this point though.

  423. Rusted,

    I’d wager for a 2nd trailer precisely by that, too many characters missing. And also when you name something #1, usualy it means more will come, just saying.

  424. Re Davos and his support for Jon:

    I think the flipside of Mel’s statement that her vision in the fires of the victory was all wrong will be Davos concluding that the vision was right, it was the interpretation that was wrong and that by extention Jon is more important than she had thought. They likely come to the conclusion together that he has to be resurrected.

  425. Correct me if i am wrong, but shouldn’t they burn the dead body before the nightfall?
    Considering hints from the first season (NW) and last season when Jon said to Stannis to bury deads before nightfall…Somehow I believe that in the second episode we will see Jon alive. Otherwise it will take too long to evolve and develop the series ending up to major battle and/or Sansa’s return.

  426. Deesensfan,

    I don’t either. I think that people are saying she’s the hunch in the ground next to the rider with the fire-chain? Because it looks close to the image we got of her in the snow and the BTS video. Just my guess.

  427. Get hyyyyyyyyyyyyypppppppeeeeee *faints*

    Brilliant job, person who did the shot by shot upload to imgur, thank you! Sadly lost track of your post so not sure who you are are, unless you’re Zadeth on here as well? Some of the shots are really dark so I stuck them in Photoshop to see if we could glean anything else. Unfortunately the resolution is too low for things like zooming in massively, but I guess it’s better than nothing.

    Based on others’ comments the only things I could see that might make things a littler clearer are (left and right refers to our view):
    Davos drawing longclaw: got the guy to his right and the second and third from left. The one furthest left has his back to the camera and shoulder length dark hair. I’d guess it’s Edd?
    Jon immediately after FTW: The traitor sign is still there. If they wanted to cover everything up I would have thought they’d get rid of the sign, but might have been interrupted and fled before they could hide their tracks.
    Davos in the snow: someone said they thought the lighting might be from a fire, but I think it could be sunshine, he has a bit of a glow just behind his head where I could imagine the sun being.
    Mel: definitely appears to be wearing something furry.
    High Sparrow: The person to his left just in shot is wearing a goldcloak uniform. Going by his eye line I’d guess it’s someone of normal height, like Jaime, rather than Cersei’s new chum.
    Sansa in furs: Don’t think she’s crying, looks like she has a skin tag of some kind under her eye.
    NW’s breaking down a door: Alliser on the left, no idea who the other two are but someone might recognise them.
    Cersei and Ser FrankenMountain: I think that might be Qyburn on the left.
    Littlefinger: Don’t know where he is but it looks like it’s lightly snowing.
    Next to Jon: No idea what’s on that person’s hand but it does look deliberate rather than just a smear of dirt. Maybe a big fan of the number 10? They look like they’ve got NW gear on and longish hair, so I’m guessing Edd again.

    Arya’s eyes: Don’t want to give false hope to anyone who’s hoping she’ll warg but these two pictures, presumably taken seconds apart show her with apparently normal eyes in one and might-be-blind-but-could-possibly-be-warging ones in the the other. Could be a trick of the light of course but they do look quite different, I think. Actually just occurred to me it might be when her blindness is ‘cured’ (not sure how that happens in the books) so milky goes to normal, not the other way around. In the video the milky look comes after the normal one but it might not happen in the show that way around.

    Finally…some are excited about Yara and ‘friend’ but no idea where they are. Everyone in the background seems to be wearing turquoise, if that’s any help?

    Sorry for the length, standing in for Jared 😉 just joking J, we love your posts, tell us everything you want to! 😀

  428. Rusted: I do find it fascinating that homosexuality was so widely accepted between the Romans, the Greeks and Egyptians but became more and more of a problem as the Catholic Church grew into power.

    If I recall correctly what I read many years ago in the History of Homosexuality – at least in Greece – the accepted form of love or sexual relationship was between an adult man and a younger boy in puberty. Sex between two free born adults was very much frowned upon. Especially the passive partner (receiving anal sex) was much maligned, because, you know, being penetrated that’s womanish.

    So I wouldn’t go that far as to say that homosexuality – which is a modern concept btw – was largely accepted before christianity came along…

  429. Joffrey’s Cunt,

    Joffrey’s Cunt,

    Yeah, I think HBO’s website has it in much better quality. Someone will likely rip it and then upload it on youtube. Yeah, the #1 was what I meant by ‘this’. 🙂

    Hawk:
    Rusted,

    I’m looking forward to a trailer with Varys potentially being in it.

    I really hope they do his Kevan Lannister/Pycelle offing in the same style they did LittleFinger’s offing of Ros.

    Ahh, do you mean the way it was edited, or the way she was killed? Varys speaking to Tyrion or someone while it cuts to a

    dead Pycelle to the little birds and their daggers with Kevan?
  430. harlequeen,

    Unless of course they are on the run because the warden of the north is coming to dispatch the wildling hoard

    Or

    Perhaps a version of the pink letter arrives and the wildlings set out to save jon’s sister.

  431. TheTouchofFrost:
    Just scanning this thread has given me a headache. Why are people arguing over such petty things that aren’t even related to the trailer?! Work your own issues out elsewhere and please focus on what the topic of conversation is.

    Hrum…the embedding ignores that I wanted this to start at 42 seconds. Ah well, it’s all good.

  432. Adam R,

    I’m skeptical too. Also hasn’t she seen herself walking on the battlements of Winterfell? I expect her to do so. (Or will she give her soul to Jon Snow and experience this through him? Whoooooooaaaa! Sorry. Just kiddin’ of course 😉 )

  433. Sorry, someone probably already pointed this out, but the solo shot of Cersei sighing then closing her eyes. I’m guessing that’s the scene they sent her to Dubrovnik for briefly (can see the pink/red border of her collar) based on the backdrop, so she would be standing in front of Blackwater bay/ the spot Myrcella sailed off to Dorne from. It’s where they keep the kayaks in Dubrovnik 😉 So I suspect she’s facing the water rather than Lancel.. 🙂

  434. Wylie,

    I see what you mean. I should have used commonplace for the Greeks instead of accepted, as there were problematic areas.
    Men and teenage boys were actively encouraged. But relations between adults were a little tricker. Greeks did not belive in defined sexualitly it was based purely on who was penetrating/who was being penetrated (to put it bluntly). It was fine for the penetrator but the penetrated was considered lesser, they weren’t heavily discriminated but were occasionally lightly mocked. Homosexualitly was encourage between batallions as is was ‘good for morale’, and female same-sex relationships were accepted.

  435. Adam R,

    Unless she’s been seeing visions FROM Jon’s perspective this whole time, and it’s Jon who meets Arya again.

  436. Wimsey: That is easy: if a leaf is from Lorien, then not idly does it fall.Ditto that rings from Valyria.

    Wimsey, I love you for that one!

    Wimsey: Exactly!It’s like that silly idea that Clark Kent is Superman.Clark Kent wears glasses: duh!Some people just let their hair down too often…..

    Funny! lol In seriousness I’m taking a stab that he had it up during a rehearsal or between takes.

  437. Rusted,

    Rusted: I like nudity, but it’s uncomfortable when it’s weighted so heavily one way (do men not need to get naked to have sex or something?)

    Yesterday, my neighbor, a 25yo woman, told me about what happened to her a few days ago : she was smoking on her balcony when she saw a dude undressing in his appartment, getting naked. The way she told me about it, she was disgusted, almost horrified. Even though, according to her, the guy was cute.

    This. This is why you see way less male nudity in shows and movies. Because most women don’t want to see a penis unless they asked for it. Some women would even compare this to rape. Men, in the contrary, either don’t care or are pleased to see a vagina or breasts. So don’t blame men for this because this is totally on women.

  438. Jaime’s girl,

    Agreed. My first thought with that shot is that she’s watching Jaime’s ship roll in, and she is realizing that Myrcella isn’t on-deck with Jaime and/or seeing the expression on his face.

  439. Tyrion the Myrions:
    KG,

    And how exactly you can define whether there is a reason for changing her sexuality(which hasn’t even been defined in the show btw and this is not like it’s the first time they changed something from the books)when the season hasn’t even aired yet ? Maybe you should get your head out of your homophobe’s ass and stop being paranoid of me looking to argue for no reason, i literally have a 1000 things better to do than have a discussion with you anyway .

    Reading this sub-thread within the trailer breakdown discussion is very entertaining! Keep it going please 😉

  440. simon: Perhaps a version of the pink letter arrives and the wildlings set out to save jon’s sister.

    Preston Jacobs just posted his breakdown a little bit ago and mentioned this same thought. It would be nice to see a Pink Letter inclusion in the show, but I feel it’s too late at this point and there are too many ingredients from the books that the show decided to leave out leading up to it. I think it will be a simplified “lets take the north out if Bolton hands” plot.

  441. Wimsey: 3 out of 3!It’d give you stars, but I don’t know the emoticon command for that.

    Similarly, I’ve noticed that people think that if B&W do not show Jon’s mind being stored somewhere else while he is dead, then the audience will wonder how it got downloaded back into his body.However, Beric did not have a USB drive of any sort with him, either.Moreover, why would anyone assume that some sort of “hard drive reformatting” is necessary?Most people know that the mind is in your brain: restart the brain quickly enough, and the mind comes back with it.(Leaving the brain off for any extended time does cause brain damage, however: but if Mel can jumpstart Jon, then that being “healed” will be the least fantastic element.)

    Let’s look at it this way: anything that was not necessary for Beric should not be necessary for Jon.

    Yes, but Beric was resurrected immediately each time. In the trailer we see Jon’s body lying in the snow then lying on a table being tended to and then being guarded. So it doesn’t look like he will be resurrected immediately.

  442. As long as Jon doesn’t become Stannis 2.0, I’m cool with everything. Get hype!

  443. SomeFrenchDude,

    I think there is some merit to this, though one could also argue that the different criteria men and women have for what is sexy is a product of a sexist society (ie, men are taught to see women as objects and women are taught to see men as support).

    That said, we live in the culture we live in. Going by these boards alone, the sexiest character in the show is Jorah, the one character who explicitly tries to show less skin, followed by Jaqen’s voice.