The Game of Thrones season 7 trailer finally arrived earlier today, reminding us all that the Great War is on its way (if not actually here). And like last year, as a friend of ours pointed out, Davos gets the best line!
Now, for the breakdown: we have a ton of juicy material to work with, so we’re going to get to it and dissect this beautiful trailer to bits. A picture is worth a thousand words, and we have several dozen images to play with- a Game of Thrones nerd’s dream! We’ll be digging into every quick bit that flashes through the trailer, using all our knowledge, so get ready for it: the ultimate breakdown!
First off, we have Cersei (Lena Headey) leading the way onscreen and in the voiceover! The reigning Queen of the Seven Kingdoms is justifiably paranoid:
Enemies to the east…enemies to the west…enemies to the south…enemies to the north. Whatever stands in our way, we will defeat it. We’re the last Lannisters, the last ones who count.
And where is Cersei? Heading into her brand spanking new map room, based on that bit of blue sea showing on the bottom left. In the very beginning, out of focus, you can see she’s meeting with a group of men clad in the Lannister red and black armor.
Next up, we have Grey Worm (Jacob Anderson), looking fine in his Unsullied armor. Representing “enemies of the east,” check. As we saw in earlier released photos, the Unsullied leader now sports a silver dragon sigil like the other members of Team Dany.
The camera rolls over the map shown on Dragonstone’s Painted Table-this segment shows a bit of Rosby and Duskendale, two places near King’s Landing. (For the uninitiated, Google the “Defiance of Duskendale” and read about what a mistake it is to mess with Mad King Aerys and Tywin Lannister.) The main point we can take from this is the confirmation that someone is occupying Dragonstone once again, since Stannis and his family is deceased.
But Duskendale and Rosby are no threat. So is the owner of this ship the “enemy in the west”? Euron (Pilou Asbæk), perhaps? You can see a bit of the Greyjoy sigil when there’s lightning!
Lightened up image of the ship:
Another location on the Painted Table, the Vale of Arryn, is passed over as Cersei mentions “enemies to the south.” The Vale is to the north and east of King’s Landing, but it’s poetic license, I guess.
More logically, just after she mentions the south, we spy someone sharpening the spear. A daughter of Dorne and Sunspear, perhaps? Obara Sand (Keisha Castle-Hughes) in particular favors the spear.
The map now display Castle Black and Eastwatch-by-the-Sea- two castles belonging to the Night’s Watch. The rest of the trailer will confirm who is assessing the major cities and castles using Dragonstone’s lovely and strategic Painted Table.
Arya Stark (Maisie Williams), traveling alone in Westerosi territory, is seen as Cersei mentions “enemies to the north.” Clearly Arya is managing just fine, looking clean and healthy, with a horse and a satchel.
This is the same location as the first one we saw Cersei in- a new map room. Here we see Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) and Cersei standing on and examining a large floor map of Westeros, not quite finished. You can see the smaller maps being used to create it, and the ladder the artist is probably using to view the work as needed. Nice to see Cersei decorating the Red Keep instead of blowing up joints…and I suspect she might use her new map in a strategic fashion, similar to Dragonstone’s Painted Table.
Cersei finishes off her mini-speech in the voiceover onscreen here, looking calm and icy.
Here we spy the Lannister soldiers in formation and on the move:
In the throne room, Cersei and Jaime watch someone presented before them. That looks like the Mountain off to the left, and the person in front of them- we think that just might be Euron Greyjoy with his new short haircut.
Jaime is not pleased. If that is Euron meeting with them, I can’t imagine the two of them hitting it off.
Queen Cersei is not amused. But her new dress is fabulous, and I think that’s what’s really important here.
The next scene takes us to a new location, Tyrion Lannister (Peter Dinklage) on Dragonstone, getting a close view of dragons. If the child Tyrion could see himself now!
With Tyrion on Dragonstone, of course Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) is too! The Targaryen queen has returned to her ancestral home and birthplace. This will be an incredible emotional moment for Daenerys as she finally comes home after a lifetime of wandering and searching.
Daenerys Targaryen: I was born to rule the Seven Kingdoms. And I will.
Nice to see the show putting extra work into Dragonstone now that they’re using the location more.
By the way, those are the famous stairs of San Juan de Gaztelugatxe on Dragonstone, there.
Here we see Daenerys on her throne inside Dragonstone. The stone creating the seat reflects the distinct flysch rock found on the Basque beaches where Game of Thrones filmed for season 7. For a closer look at the unique throne, click here.
The next segment is incredibly exciting and satisfying, as the action kicks into high gear. Unsullied soldiers pour into what seems to be Casterly Rock (the Lannister family seat).
Grey Worm dives into the action at Casterly Rock. He’s masked but you can see his unique dragon pin on his uniform.
Grey Worm killing Lannister soldiers- check the red uniforms on the ground.
We swing up to the northern storyline to find the new king Jon Snow with Sansa, Brienne and his roomful of followers.
There’s someone with long reddish hair pulled back in the middle right- could it be Alys Karstark?
But don’t enjoy the coronation for too long- Littlefinger (Aidan Gillen) is up to his usual tricks, sowing discord between the Starks, as we see in this bit between Petyr and Sansa (Sophie Turner).
Littlefinger: Your father and brothers are gone yet here you stand, last best hope against the coming storm
A gate of the Wall rises- who will be passing beneath? We’ve received major spoilers over the past year giving us a hint- click only if you want to be extremely spoiled for season 7.
A shaking Theon Greyjoy (Alfie Allen) faces a fiery battle.
Melisandre (Carice van Houten), last seen being exiled from Winterfell, stands on Dragonstone, watching a group of people walk up the stairs. Spoiler pics from last October will tell you exactly who was walking up the stairs if you want to go that far!
It makes absolute sense that Melisandre would go to Dragonstone once she was sent away from Winterfell since Dragonstone is the only home in Westeros that she knows. The big question now is, will she offer her services to Daenerys?
Heading back up north, we find some terrified souls running for their lives, most likely beyond the Wall.
Meanwhile, Arya is unbothered, camping her way through Westeros. You can see the snow on the ground, showing that winter has settled into the area but isn’t too heavy yet.
For the life of me, I couldn’t get the screencap I needed for this scene, but that fellow we’ve circled, check them out at 1:05 in the trailer. You’ll see that they appear to be using a war hammer. If we’re correct, that would confirm that a character reported to be returning last fall is definitely one of the people in this circle beyond the Wall. These are most likely the same group of people seen up above, running for their lives.
Littlefinger: if he ain’t creepin, he ain’t awake.
Back to the Dothraki action- amazing stunts as the Dothraki screamers take on Lannister-armored men.
There’s a terrific explosion on the water here, and the coloring of the image is the same as in the Theon scene up above, suggesting that Theon is present for this battle.
Here we have the Onion Knight talking sense as usual.
Davos: If we don’t put aside our enmities, and band together we will die. And then it doesn’t matter whose skeleton sits on the Iron Throne.
Finally, the complete reveal: Daenerys and Tyrion viewing the Painted Table in Dragonstone, with all the sigil markers in place. Plotting their next move? It seems likely.
The Mountain (Hafthor Bjornsson) in his new black armor, displaying Cersei’s personal crown sigil.
This is a quick action shot, easier to spot in video- it seems to be a few men running up a gangplank to a ship.
Now this is satisfying, but also really intriguing: Jon choke-slamming Littlefinger in the crypts of Winterfell. But why are they in the crypts to begin with? Could Littlefinger know more about Jon’s parentage than he lets on?
Back to the action at Casterly Rock- the Lannisters look like they’re getting their asses handed to them, and I’m not mad at that.
Arya Stark- but where? Looking under something, likely a bed. Hard to glean much from this, but she looks clean and not miserable, so I like it!
Oh Jorah. This horrifying greyscaled arm could only belong to Jorah Mormont (Iain Glen). His arm is protruding from a cell door, as though he’s in quarantine.
The Dothraki are going to town on Lannister soldiers with their arakhs. This is officially the season of killing Lannister men.
We’re back to panicked men running beyond the Wall, only we finally have some faces for you: it’s Jon (Kit Harington) and Tormund Giantsbane (Kristofer Hivju). When you’re running in the far North on Game of Thrones, there’s usually only one thing behind you: the dead.
GREY WORM AND MISSANDEI DOING THE SEX YESSSSSSSSS
Also Grey Worm has some sexy scratches so I think he was perhaps wounded in that Casterly Rock fighting. But Missandei (Nathalie Emmanuel) is going to make it all better. (And before the comments section gets ridiculous-you don’t need a penis to have sex. Please be more creative than that.)
This next bit is a little puzzling. Yara Greyjoy (Gemma Whelan) and Ellaria Sand (Indira Varma) are making out. I have no idea why. Aesthetically, it’s not displeasing…but I don’t get it. It’s Ellaria so I’m assuming she’s trying to kill someone.
Back to the Painted Table, Tyrion has fun with his new toys, and knocks down the Lannister lion. Symbolism: not subtle, but it works.
We’ve got two people falling into the water here, but it’s not clear who. I’ve seen countless names bandied about, but I think you just can’t see, so for now it’s a mystery. But that does look like blazing red dragonfire around them so I’m assuming these two aren’t Team Dany.
What’s a battle without a dragon? The Dothraki ride with Drogon at their back, in an incredible, spine-tingling shot.
Jon Snow caps it offs by warning, “The Great War is here.”
It is, and my whole body is ready for it after this trailer.
Just in time for my train ride home…Thanks
I’m dreading Ellaria kissing Yara. It seems like Male Gaze stuff of just throw in lesbians kissing because it’s Hot.
Now keep in mind, I was actually quite positive about making Yara gay when she isn’t in the books, or pansexual rather, and I would have been totally okay with her making out with Daenerys or something – they had some setup for that It works within the show universe.
But everything the Ellaria/Dorne stuff touches is just wacky….Benioff and Weiss just playing with their toys. Varma was a dream casting so they…even say this in the Blu-ray commentaries; this is them “showing off her talents”.
My point is it became a magnet for everything absurd they were doing in the show.
Like….if we had book-Ellaria, but TV-Yara, and book-Ellaria felt like having sex with TV-Yara, that’s one thing. That might even work.
But this…..I’m dreading that this is just them being gratuitous, and it will end up offending a lot of LGBT viewers and/or women.
“Look how progressive we are for having girls kissing!”
….And again, I actually thought Yara was handled pretty well in Season 6 and had no problem with that.
This is just silly.
Rest of the trailer was pretty good.
Awesome breakdowns! I was waiting for this, thanks!
Disruption begins! Sorry, Sorry everybody. I’m just too amped
Yes, I am stunned at how sophomoric many fans have been about that.
Wish they’d include the line “Just because a eunuch does not have a man’s parts does not mean he does not have a man’s heart” – somber line from the books, about what enslaved robots the Unsullid were.
The Dragon Demands,
Or a man’s tongue. And fingers. And toys. Which is more pertinent to the ‘sex’ part than a man’s heart.
“Littlefinger: if he ain’t creepin, he ain’t awake.” Oh man… that made me laugh so hard!
I keep looking at the Jorah arm picture. He must be confined in the citadel, is my guess. Perhaps for treatment…? I hope he ends up cured that poor bastard.
Uhg, the wait is KILLING me!
Are we sure that’s Ellaria with Yara and not a longer-haired Tyene? Leak spoilers:
And further leak stuff about the crew up north in a circle:
afeastfordances,
It is. From another angle: http://i.imgur.com/qa9E0lg.jpg
Definiely Ellaria.
The talk about Grey Worm having sex is interesting because the show has left the issue of “cutting” the Unsullied as open question of just how far they go with the process. Remember, Dany asks Messandei if they take “all of it” – the pillar and the stones? And Messendei says she doesn’t know, but I guess she’s about to find out. 🙂
I checked the set spy photos of Ellaria and Tyene: Tyene is wearing a gold outer gown with red inner layers, while Ellaria is wearing a red outer gown with gold inner layers.
Woman in the trailer is wearing red outer gown with gold inner layers. Plus based on freeze-framing and gifs to see her head better….yeah, definitely Ellaria.
Sword of the Evening,
I’m just always a bit frustrated by these conversations because it’s like, yeah he might actually have a penis. But even if he didn’t, so what? It’s like people have no idea that individuals without penises sleep together all the time in this world.
Cinematography and location scouting on point. 10/10
“Littlefinger: if he ain’t creepin, he ain’t awake.”
LMAO best line
“But don’t enjoy the coronation for too long”
Oh don’t worry. I won’t.
“This next bit is a little puzzling. Yara Greyjoy (Gemma Whelan) and Ellaria Sand (Indira Varma) are making out. I have no idea why. Aesthetically, it’s not displeasing…but I don’t get it.”
Male gazey shit
“Back to the Painted Table, Tyrion has fun with his new toys, and knocks down the Lannister lion.”
I was wondering who that was!
“And before the comments section gets ridiculous-you don’t need a penis to have sex. Please be more creative than that”
Thank you! How old is the GoT fandom? Twelve?
“Oh Jorah. This horrifying greyscaled arm could only belong to Jorah Mormont (Iain Glen). His arm is protruding from a cell door, as though he’s in quarantine.”
*throws Emmy at whoever did the makeup for this*
“Queen Cersei is not amused. But her new dress is fabulous, and I think that’s what’s really important here.”
The Lannisters have always been the most stylish. 10/10 would emulate (fashion wise)
Thanks for this guys, you just gave me so much hope Grey Worm makes it though, I don’t know how many people were saying he was gonna die due to us not seeing him in a lot of pics but this gives me hope his just away killing Lannisters and claiming their capital before returning to Team Dany at the end.
I actually think there is a possibility that the people in the water could be Theon and someone else. As the ship his on is on fire and it would make sense for him to jump ship to avoid being captured.
Sue the Fury,
True. I agree. I just think it’s interesting that the show has left the issue as an open question.
I’m truly amazed at how beautiful my country, Spain, is. It’s just perfect to film Game of Thrones.
“Or a man’s tongue. And fingers. And toys. Which is more pertinent to the ‘sex’ part than a man’s heart.”
PREACH
If you’re a man, you sort of do I’m afraid.
Ok, this has nothing to do with the new trailer, but I just noticed something:
For season 06, we got three video teasers, the ones with the banners for Houses Stark, Lannister and Targaryen.
At the end of the season, we got three main monarchs who got to rule over Westeros (or only part of it): Jon, Cersei and Dany.
HBO had foreshadowed us who would be the king and queens at the end of the season before it even started, and we never noticed.
Violator,
Yeah, you can stop with the transphobic bullshit now. Thanks.
The trailer is now on On Demand and it looks even more amazing! Can actually see some of the darker scenes better, bigger and also seems like it might be slowed down just a bit! I LOVED the trailer!! Glad it didn’t give too much away! Sooooo excited for July16!!!
I think that Yara and Ellaria were just distracted before
… one of the guys in the water could be
I think the Littlefinger voice over is him talking to Jon not Sansa. Probably while they are in the crypts.
I don’t get the “my body is ready” people. Y’all have some amazingly sturdy bodies. ‘Cause mine is certainly not fucking ready for the insanity that is gonna be this season !
You know, when we were seeing photos of them filming there I didn’t imagine very well what they could do with those. I was thinking that real building out on the point would just be used for something like a quiet ‘sea cabin’ or something. I suppose it still could but it also looks like everything or most of the things we saw on the winding path/steps could actually be inside of those gates that open. Nice!
I think we’re going to finally see the Unsullied actually fight like we’ve been told they can fight. So far the little we’ve seen they’ve been underwhelming. That should be fun!! 🙂
I have a strong feeling I’m going to get pretty pissed with Littlefinger’s actions this season. Friend close, enemies closer my ass! Someone has to off that dude!
afeastfordances,
there was a spoiler picture (pap shot) during filming that showed the “Named” plus a whole slew of “randoms”…one of the “Names” takes some of his people it seems (which makes sense because of where they are/ are going)
Yeah baby! Love these breakdowns! 😊😊
I’ve since been able to watch it on TV slo-mo. So it’s definitely Jorahs arm, but it looks badly burned in addition to the greyscale… wonder if that’s the cure?
I’m guessing Arya is sleeping at an inn (where she meets Hotpie, please?).. and is ever vigilant despite it possibly being her first night in a safe warm bed. Could someone be on her tail?
Gotta say those Casterley Rock sets don’t look great at all- cheap and cramped, totally unlike GOT usual attention to detail, but I’m optimistic the CGI and other shots will be great
Sōnar Māzis lēda Perzys Ānogār.
Soooooooo excited for:
Effing BIG dragons!
Lannisters being slaughtered!
Effing BIG map!
That gorgeous table! Sigh…
Arya looking great! Healthy, well equipped, determined…maybe a little nervous in that last camping pic?? I she nearing home??
Dothraki trick riders!
Poor Theon…
Watch out for the lipstick, Yara!
Jon slamming Littlefinger in front of
statue!
Sexy-times for Greyworm and Missy!
Confrontation between TRW and
?
Repeat of the circle/spiral motif!
and…
MY POOR BEAR!!! Noooo!!! 🙁 Please, Sam, save him!!
Can. NOT. Wait!!
At Winterfell: Not only Alys Karstark, but also young Lord Umber (on the left)
Grey Worm: sex yes, dying no
People in the water:
Great to have the trailer and great to have such a nice breakdown, Luka.
I really laughed a lot at the comments you had for each of the pictures.
It is going to become another great season it seems, I like what they made out of Dragonstone.
Is it July, yet?
Ashara D,
I’m hoping that “the last camping pic” is Arya, about to be surprised by the reappearance of a very old friend.
Raoul_Duke,
Thanks…?
I’ve watched the trailer at least a dozen times now, and I’m still riding the adrenaline high from the very first viewing. It looks epic. It looks violent. It looks cinematic. It looks beautiful. Pick your adjectives!
Favorite moments … too many to list, but for me the pinnacle is Cersei’s speech. “Enemies to the east. Enemies to the west. Enemies to the south. Enemies to the North. Whatever stands in our way, we will defeat it. We’re the last Lannisters. The last ones who count.” For the second year in a row, she delivers my favorite line of the trailer (after “I choose violence”). Davos’s line is excellent as well, however. You can never go wrong siding with the Onion Knight.
I love that shot of Dany reaching down, almost reverently, to touch the sand on the shores of Dragonstone. That entire sequence is going to be an incredibly emotional – the Dragon Queen returning to the home she left behind when she was too young to remember. I expect Ramin Djawadi will have cooked up a killer new twist on the Targaryen theme for the occasion. I’m getting chills imagining it even now.
That shot of Theon standing on a burning ship is also very promising. I’m really looking forward to seeing naval combat for the first time since Blackwater in Season 2.
All of the shots with the dragons are just stunning, particularly Drogon flying into battle above the Dothraki, and Tyrion standing on the cliffs at Dragonstone as another dragon soars by. It’s still hard to believe that something this epic in its scope and ambition airs on television.
I’m happy to see Grey Worm and Missandei finally preparing to consummate their relationship. Their love story has been an incredibly sweet recurring element of the series for several seasons now – a necessary bit of light in what can be an extremely dark show (I feel the same way about Sam and Gilly, whose relationship is also often unjustly maligned). Be happy, you crazy kids! And don’t die … please?
Jon and Tormund racing across a frozen landscape also looks dynamite – the show returning to film in Iceland once again paid off in spades. I know enough about that sequence not to say any more, save that I’m really looking forward to it.
All in all, great trailer. For me, I doubt any Game of Thrones trailer will ever top “Seven Devils” from Season 2, but this one is definitely top-tier. I can’t wait to watch it several more times.
Sir Bergh,
I am pretty sure that scene is from sea battle,
I’m wondering if it could have been burned (nod to the book), because it looks as though there is water or something dripping from his fingers. As though it was ‘put out’?
Great recap.
The visuals are so beautiful this season. Is it too early for me to say that I can’t wait for the next trailer?
Pigeon,
Must admit I did think of Moquorro as well when I saw the shot 😊
Sir Bergh,
You know, all day I was thinking the underwater shot with two men splashing in was part of the battle on the ship scene. Repeatedly watching the couple of seconds has gotten me to question it. First, the ship battle is at night and just before the men splash in there is a light that looks like the sun at the surface. Otherwise it is rather dark but it could just be murky water. ? Second, the flame that shoots across from the right after they’re under is consistent with a dragon blast as opposed to an explosion. With those two elements I’m thinking this actually could be part of the daytime battle we see with the Dothraki and Drogon present.
Now Dragonstone just needs a red door. 😜
Remember the poisons of the Sneks. Ellaria could possibly be even just passing a vial of something to Yara! Or they simply just have the hots for each other.
It makes more sense for Littlefinger to be talking to Jon, as all of Sansa’s brothers are not gone..unless of course this is after she could find out that Jon ISN’T her real half-brother. While I have no doubt that LF either knows or at least strongly suspects Jon’s parentage, I don’t think that’ll happen soon. Of course, he could get throttled by Jon in the crypts by saying something like “Your mom was a hottie” as Jon is looking at Lyanna’s statue.
With Cersei’s reaction in the scene with Euron, I still think he’s got a couple of aces up his sleeve in who is standing behind him.
Joraconningtarion!!!!! 😂 It certainly does look like coal!
Clob,
OKAY, GUYS…. still watching the two splash into the water… Pause repeatedly or watch in super slow motion and watch the person on the left. I was seeing all this white and wondered if it was a man with a long white beard, BUT, look closely. Does it not look like it could possibly be DAENERYS going into the water!? It really looks like long, white, wavy hair!! 1:24
* Oh, maybe people have suggested that already and I didn’t see it.
Sue the Fury,
I am sorry, Sue – I must have mixed up the two recent articles. The thanks for the breakdown and comments goes of course to you!
Jared,
We can’t be the only ones who hope for this outcome. But you know how things go in Thronesworld.
Everyone is assuming that Arya is peering under a bed. But against the wall directly behind her are a metal stove and stovepipe. Might just be for heating, but she could also be in a kitchen. Maybe she is still at the Twins, getting some more Frey Pie filling from her stash, or somebody’s peeled face, or Needle or a change of clothes…
Then again, maybe she has arrived at the Inn at the Crossroads and is looking for her cowardly friend Hot Pie, who has a special hiding place for whenever ruffian types come by.
Quickly read through the comments but am I the only one who thought that the Yara/Ellaria thing was Jon kissing Sansa at first? Had to go back and re-watch it and stop the video. I was like Jon wouldn’t be wearing that. And Sansa has a wig now. Oh that’s a woman…must be Ellaria… But seriously on a quick glimpse I was like hold up…but maybe that was the whole reason they put that in the trailer in the first place…
Or Ellaria’s gonna kill Yara…but why?
Firannion,
It really is an odd shot to put in the trailer. With all the choices for a < two second clip of her and they chose something like that? I suppose it does succeed in making us curious and question what she's doing though. 🙂 If it is a bed and she's simply "checking under the bed" it would show that she's vigilant and doesn't feel safe where she is. I'd say that she probably will be that way for quite a while after all she's been through; never feeling safe, distrusting of everyone, ready to fight or flee at any and all times.
I am th only one whot think that LF line is to Jon and not Sansa???
Your father and brothers are gone yet here you stand, last best hope against the coming storm
I kinda think they’re setting us up to believe that Arya will be heading to winterfell. Which makes me think no way will we see Arya arriving at winterfell.
Then again I’m usually wrong about these kinds of things so hope away friends 😀
Re: the Jon/LF scene and the LF voiceover – yes, although they show the LF/Sansa scene from the stills, I think it is Jon he is speaking to and trying to antagonize. I DON’T THINK LF KNOWS FOR SURE WHO JON’S MOTHER IS. I do think LF strongly suspects that the Stark family story about Lyanna being kidnapped by Rhaegar is a lie – and that Lyanna ran off with a married man willingly.
heh, it’s funny what is clear in a still! I have no idea why I thought that the arm was a wight’s arm now. I will never claim omniscience! And on the subject of omniscience….
If LF had any suspicions concerning Jon’s true parentage, then he would have hinted as much to Ned. If nothing else, then LF would have tried to use it as leverage on Ned. One of the things that we have learned about LF is that he is not omniscient. He knows a lot of what happens in Kings Landing and in places that interact a lot with Kings Landing because of his brothels: as we’ve learned, happy men like to talk. That’s a lot of Westeros, and a lot of western Essos that trades a lot in Kings Landing. However, he is pretty ignorant of goings on in the North and in Dorne: those two places tend to keep to themselves, it seems.
What is much more plausible is that LF is trying to sell himself to Jon and probably suggesting that he could have saved Ned if Ned had only listened to him. That is a good sales pitch in the South where everybody plays the Game: but LF does not seem to get that not all Northerners play the Game, and Jon definitely is not a player. If Jon hears LF insinuating that he could have saved Ned, then Jon’s reaction is not going to be “Ned was a fool to not play take my assistance” (which is what LF wants Jon to feel), but “I let your father die.”
Ultimately, I think that LF is going to suffer from the fate that he has foreseen for Cersei: ignorance of his own ignorance is going to be his downfall.
If I were a monster, then that is where I would hide to avoid being killed by Arya. (Or the Doctor.)
As someone with a degree in geology (I did a lot of crazy things in my youth), I must state that I like how the rocks in Dragonstone are appropriate for a place that would have a lot of obsidian. That’s the sort of world-building that intrigues me! 😛
Completely agree. For instance, LF should have known what sort of person he was marrying Sansa off to. Varys certainly would have, had he still been in Westeros.
Pigeon,
Littlefinger might know about the nature of Rhaegar’s and Lyanna’s relationship hence his weird look when Sansa mentioned rape in season 5. He was at the Tourney of Harrenhal at that time. He can’t possibly know about his parentage because it would be already brought up to the light and used to further his own goals.
If he knows it like i don’t he knows … how can he prove it?
Initial Impressions:
• Lena Headey looks fantastic. Amazing costume(s). And I’m glad Cersei is keeping the short hairdo.
• When I saw Jon throttling WeenieFinger, it made me flash back to Ned – with the same expression – – doing the same thing to him in S1.
Too much LF in the trailer. Please, oh please, have Jon do a Slyntification of LF’s head from his body in episode 1. With only ~ 70 hours this season, every minute of screen time for LF is a wasted minute.
[keyboard freezing …To be cont.)
Not sure if anyone picked up on it in the last thread, but there definitely appears to be Wyman Manderly in that shot as well. Looks like Sean Blowers’ hair and style about two away from a nearly hidden Lyanna next to Tormund. I mention it because he wasn’t seen in the set photo’s of the Northern peeps leaving the trailer, and I’m glad they didn’t ignore him.
I’m also trying to track down Glover in there, and I think the one on the end is Cerwyn, but I can’t be sure, as he has more facial hair. I thought the one next to Lyanna was Robett at first, but that epic beard appears to be too long. But he’s gotta be there somewhere.
Can anyone pick out Bronze Yohn in there too, or better identify everyone else for that matter. I think Alys and TinyJon are obvious, but can anyone confirm the others.
I do like that they’re keeping minor characters again, as they add flavor to the world and enhance the show by making it more full and lived in.
Oh I’m not saying he can prove it or has concrete evidence, which is why I don’t think he’s pulled that card. But I think he may still have a few trick up his sleeve (shleeve). Just my thought, nothing else. ☺
The costumes look so good. Maybe the best for the series.
Was struck by the confidence and determination on Cersei and Dany’s faces, and the nervousness on Jon and Jamie’s faces.
Pigeon,
No, it’s a good thing to debate. That’s why we’re here but once he’ll suggest such a thing, he’d need a proof. Otherwise Jon, Sansa or anyone of northern lords could dismiss it. Unless he does it in a more sneaky way by pushing Sansa to discover it.
LMAOOO!!! Saner Half just watched the Slyntification last night. Two minutes before it happened he assertively declared, “He needs to kill him now.”
Initial Impressions (cont. from 9:46 pm)
•. I’m floored by the artwork of Cersei’s floor map. [Sorry for the pun. 🙄]
• Why no Hound???? His absence from the trailer does not bode well for my Sandor Ahai tinfoil theory – unless they’re saving that reveal for S8.
• I’m intrigued by the Arya snippets. She’s alone in all of them – but seems to be looking at someone or something in each shot. I’m going to see if I can discern anything from her facial expressions.
• Wishful thinking: After checking out the magnificent work the costume designer(s) did for Cersei, I hope at some point Arya can get a kickass warrior princess uniform. It’s now going on seven seasons of grunge for the Many-Faced Goddess, and her traveling clothes may look functional but don’t make a fashion statement. Not that this would interest her character in the slightest.
•. Less dragons. More direwolves!
Does anyone else think that dragon at the end is too light to be Drogon? He’s dark, almost black. I think it’s Viserion…with a very small rider, if you catch my drift!
More dragons AND more direwolves!! 🙂
In that shot of Arya on the floor, she’s wearing this costume:
http://static.srcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/arya-stark-got-s-7-costume.jpg
Clob,
The thought did cross my mind it was Danny too.
Ah, yes. A throne of dragonstone at Dragonstone. Appropriate.
Rygritte,
Oh she is ? Well that’s good. I like that new costume for Arya.
Now I’ve got to ponder what she could be looking at on the floor…
I don’t see anyone riding that dragon in the trailer.
Ser Davos looking good at the head table alongside Jon and Sansa. Not bad for a crabber’s son!
Great breakdown, Sue (as always). I’ve watched the trailer three times and missed at least 50% of what you point out.
I really like her Dragonstone throne and the little we’ve seen of her throne room. Dragonstone looks cooler than we’ve previously seen too… A funny thought would be seeing her simply staying there and just stating herself queen and not attacking/fighting anyone. Just being content having her home and living there. I mean, who is going to be capable of unseating her from a highly defensible island such as that? That isn’t how to be queen and rule Westeros, which is her goal, but still… 🙂
Actually, I doubt that even Varys would have known about Ramsay. Varys had little birds in Winterfell, but I would be really surprised if Roose permitted that. After all, Roose was trying to keep his goings-ons from Ned Stark’s ears: there were stories, but nothing that could be substantiated. One constantly recurring event in this series (both book and show) is that evenly “worldly” people like Varys, Davos & LF have very little idea of what actually goes on in the north! (It’s better than Vegas!)
How could LF do that? There is no reason to think that there is anything to “discover”: this is not a world with “paper trails.” Look at it like this: suppose that Sam or someone was to discover a document showing that Rhaegar had married Lyanna. Interesting: but that says nothing about Jon. After all, everyone knows that Rhaegar and Lyanna were having sex: the assumption was that Lyanna was not willing. However, nobody puts it together. Ned presents a simple and very believable lie: he fathered the child while at war (as did countless other lords), but was acknowledging that the child was his and raising the child (which was completely in keeping with Ned’s reputation). The best lies are simple ones: and they also don’t have evidence to contradict them.
The most parsimonious expectation is that Jon will learn from Bran. The second simplest is that Jon will learn from Howland Reed. (The first scenario is simpler by virtue of the fact that we know Bran is going to be in the show and that there is a good chance he will meet up with Jon.) Having Jon learn some other way would require hitherto unintroduced plot elements. The show has a track record of being parsimonious, and at this late stage, we should expect that to continue.
(The issue of how/if we will learn about Rhaegar & Lyanna’s marital status is completely up in the air: but it also is a separate issue.)
The Dragon Demands,
Or we could wait to see how it’s setup before heaping disappointment and disagreement…🤷🏻♂️
PS: Save the Direwolves
Jenny,
I hadn’t considered it since they’ve never shown a dragon other than Drogon front and center or by itself like that before. I agree that it does look lighter than Drogon has been shown before though, especially in his last big scene in Meereen. I don’t know… Don’t think we see enough or any of a rider to conclude anything there.
Ah, but it is not so much her “goal” as it is her duty. The Westerosi version of “family values” is well-summarized by Tywin Lannister: you do everything in your power to make sure that your great-great-great grandson has as much power and wealth as possible. Individuals are not entitled to be content with less than they are supposed to inherit!
That’s interesting, I thought Dany’s voiceover was confident and determined but her face was seemed to be one of anxiousness to me (almost like asking herself if this is really happening). My favorite understated scene from the trailer was her going down and touching the sand.
Okay question:
If that is truly “beyond the wall” during winter.. wouldn’t there be way more snow?? Old Nan said the snows can fall 100 feet deep at times so at least a few inches would be expected right? It would be cool if it was the lake to the isle of faces or something
Wimsey,
Okay, yeah, that stuff. 🙂 Instead of all that she just says, Hmm, nah, this is good. I’m fine just being here.” 😛
Gina,
That would be awful tough to film in. 😛
I’m guessing they aren’t far from the Wall, perhaps somewhere along the edges of the Haunted Forest. With Winter just starting I suppose they can say the worst hasn’t arrived yet.
Looks as if Melisandre is waiting on Dragonstone … that is interesting … will she be there when Davos arrives?
Great breakdown, Sue!
I was able to grab a nice frame of the certain individual holding the war hammer: http://imgur.com/fH1KTbF
Mel has probably foreseen the arrival of Dany & co., and will have to convince them that the true war is up north. Will she encounter Arya again, as she prophesied?
Clob,
Wishful thinking perhaps 😉
I still am looking forward to how this is going to be sold! We still have not seen Jon try to sell it to the Northerners. However, we saw last year that Daeny has the support of the Red Church: and the R’hllor clearly is telling them that something is up.
The series (in both media, but particularly on TV) has been building up to some intersection of the War of X Kings & Queens and Ragnarok, both in the story and the plot. I’ve been waiting to see how this was going to intertwine and coalesce for nearly 20 years now: I am starting to become intrigued again!
I wonder if Davos has moved past any sort of revenge on Mel for Shireen, given the greater threat. I also wonder if she’ll be dragon fodder once Dany arrives. Mel’s reaction to dragons (resurgent magic in the world) should be amazing. Tyrion won’t trust her though.
But, yeah, one has to wonder about the Arya rendezvous too…
He has only one dead Targaryen brother.
Gina,
Yeah, well, I doubt that Old Nan’s understanding of climatology is all that good. It could simply be cold enough that the air is not holding enough water for much precipitation outside of certain snow-belt areas. If so, then it would be a tundra rather than like a Christmas special from hell. That would make much more sense given that people and animals can survive up there during the winter: in a tundra, there is still stuff to eat, whereas when there are meters of snow there is not. (Of course, there also are large forests up there, which do not occur in tundra: whoops!)
Wimsey,
I agree LF is not omniscient, but the location in the crypts hints at something like that. LF’s previous conversation in the crypts, with Sansa, was about Lyanna-Rhaegar. Again in the crypts, with Jon this time, maybe LF hints at something about Lyanna that is distantly connected to Jon’s parentage–LF doesn’t have to know the full story. That could prepare Jon to accept the truth from Bran.
Is it weird that my favorite part of this trailer is Arya as Cersei’s enemy in the north? She looks great on her horse.
Hodors Bastard,
I suppose she could remove her necklace at any time to (un)disguise herself.
Davos could be the poster-child for pragmatism: even if he has not moved past it, then he probably is willing to forgo a reckoning until after the great war. Moreover, if Melisandre has joined Daeny’s camp and made herself at all useful, then it would be extremely not-pragmatic (and thus not like Davos) to risk an alliance with Daenerys just to settle a score.
I doubt that Mel will be dragon food. If nothing else, then she is the the primary face for the Red Church: and that’s still a big gun on the Wall waiting to be fired. I agree that Tyrion will not trust her: but, then, he doesn’t trust the Greyjoys, the Martells or the Tyrells! One of the key points in Tyrion’s evolution is that he does find himself trusting and even believing in Daenerys. (They’ve done a great job of quickly developing a strong mutual trust and respect between the two of them.) If Mel can sell herself to Daeny, then Tyrion (and Varys) will accept her. They’ll also keep an eye on Mel, just in case….
One thing that we really do not know yet is what the story is going to be: if we knew that, then we’d have a much better idea about what the devil on the left and the angel on the right will be arguing this year, and that would give us better grounds for predicting these sorts of things. It might just be a continuation of last year’s conflicted politics story: and Mel would set up a lot of classic personal agenda vs. political strategy conflicts for several characters.
By the way, that pork pie was scrumptious. I didn’t realize that pigs had toe-nails so similar to ours!
Thanks for the reminder. Was that scene in The Red Woman just a one-off or will they use it again…to her advantage? I wonder if dragons can sniff out a glamour? 🙂
The trailer has already over 9 millions views and that’s only in the first 12 hours. It’s absolutely crazy. There’s no other mass-hype phenomenon like this in TV right now. Nothing is even close.
Thanks for the great breakdown, Sue.
Scattered thoughts:
— Jorah stoically enduring whatever “treatments” the Maesters (or whomever) can invent for greyscale would be an amazing set of scenes to watch. His natural instincts as an iron-willed survivor mated with his desire to fulfill, no matter the personal cost, the last order he took from his Khaleesi.
— Why all the hate on Baelish? He’s been consistently one of the best characters in the show, and with Bolton pere et fils gone, he’s one of the best villains remaining. (Plus, any day I get to watch Aiden Gillen’s mincing portrayal is a good day.) Baelish is simultaneously the character most likely to survive the Game, and most likely to die first in a fight with the Army of the Dead. I expect him to survive this season easily.
— The Yara/Ellaria thing would be a waste as mere eye candy. Think of Baelish narrating the scene between Roz and her fellow working girl, taking something beautiful and making it really, really ugly — whilst revealing a key character’s motivations. Like Sue did, think of the devious motivations Ellaria might have — or maybe, in a twist, Ellaria turns out to be the trusting one of the pair, and Yara has other business in mind…
Season 7 awaits!
Actually, the conversation was about taking over the north: Rhaegar & Lyanna simply came up in that conversation and wound up being a foreshadowing of what awaited Sansa. At any rate, it is much too late to start implying that Littlefinger worked out Jon’s parentage: as others besides me have noted, if Baelish had, then he would have used it to attempt to blackmail Ned into following his (Baelish’s) plans for handling Joffery.
If Baelish even only suspected, then he would have left some hanging lines to Sansa about Jon’s real status when trying to push her to claim Winterfell. Instead, he only went with Jon’s status as a bastard. Even intimating that Jon is not Ned Stark’s son would have been a powerful tool: and if LF does not use a tool, then it means he did not have it. (Yes LF certainly assumed that Jon being a bastard would disqualify him to the Northern lords as it would have done for Southern lords: but implying that Jon was not even Ned’s bastard would have made the Comey letter look like an endorsement.)
If the crypts suggest anything, then they suggest that Baelish & Jon are talking about Ned. Remember, Ned, too will have something down there (even if his skeleton never made it back.) To someone like Littlefinger, pointing out that he could have saved Ned if Ned had let him would seem like a great selling point when dealing with someone like Jon. As we know much more about Jon than does Baelish, I think that an attempt by Baelish to so influence Jon would probably backfire badly: the fact that Baelish could have saved Ned from himself is less impressive to someone like Jon than is the fact that Baelish didn’t save Ned.
Not weird at all to me. The other directions showed something that could be seen as an obvious threat… and then north… a lone girl riding quietly on a horse. 🙂
They showed her three times and none of it really ‘said’ much that was really needed in the trailer to be honest. Pretty much everything else showed something of action or words of action. Her inclusions weren’t that. Of course they know she’s a fan favorite so people love to see her at least. They also made the trailer as if nobody has any idea what’s going to happen this season, even knowing many have some idea. They probably wanted to show that she’s on the move to somewhere.
Ah, but then she goes back to being a 125 year old. That sort of cuts down on her ability to do much!
I’m wishing that I knew what that spell was: my 50 year old knees could use the red jewel treatment. (As could my tunnel carpel and computer-neck & shoulders…. hey, that thing could put chiropractors out of business!)
I hear you. I also remember the fun discussions from last year about how R’hllor was going to be a factor in things. Was Jon’s rez R’hllor’s grand contribution to the story? I have lost confidence that the red power even matters anymore. Can Mel play a further role?
Pork? You thought that pie had pork in it? Yeah…that’s the ticket…. (hee, hee, hee…)
Yeah, she does seem to be traveling the long path – no jet packs for her I guess
🙂
Something I haven’t seen anyone mention (sorry if someone did, I missed it then:)
Tyrion’s expression on that cliff watching the dragons looks rather worried or scarred to me… anyone else think so? he looks a little pensive to me, like he is not sure if this was the right move, those dragons are going to destroy so much (and not just the BAD people).
Also, that last shot of the dragon flying over those soldiers on horseback – it seems to be flying rather low, it would be funny if some of the backdraft (right/wrong word? gush of wind) from the wings flapping knocked a few people or horses down 🙂 or at least altered their course a bit as they had to readjust their balance 🙂
Hodors Bastard,
To be honest I’d worry more about Varys reaction to Melissandre, he has already had his bitch fests about her before in previous seasons, he hates magic users and her religion specifically for what they did to him and I can’t say I blame him for what was done to him.
Varys is not gonna want her around at all, he will be antagonistic to her constantly and if she makes one wrong move his gonna want to kill her.
Do we have any proof that Arya and Melissandre will meet up this season or is it just people theorizing?
Pigeon,
My bet is that Littlefinger says (remember his wink to Sansa) that Lyanna ran away willingly with Rhaegar and the honorable Jon doesn’t like that Littlefinger “besmirches the Stark’s family honor”. Would be more ironic for him to find out it’s true later.
viki,
I think because everyone thinks it’s Dany leaves and Tyrion is worried about her because she’s about to do something possibly dangerous and Tyrion doesn’t know what’s waiting there for her and there is nothing he can do to help.
If you are up to date with all this sites spoilers from when they were filming you’ll know what I mean.
Good point. I enjoy how many perspectives Dany’s troupe brings to the endgame. I do hope there is troubling background manipulation with Varys and LF in their respective arenas.
Regarding Mel-Arya, it’s pure speculation associated with a ‘gun hung’ during their past encounter….hopefully it’s not as obvious as the Olly-gun/arrow we had before.
Sue the Fury,
BuzzFeed just posted “their own” breakdown, but it’s almost exactly a word for word copy of yours. Not sure if that’s something you care about, but there were no references to your original post and it seemed like the writer was trying to pass off the analysis as her own. Thought I’d give you a heads up. Keep up the good work, love reading your posts (and tweets)!
ah, except for promo photos and teasers, I’ve been keeping away from leaks and spoilers.
I’ve been watching a few reactions and this guy only started GOT watching 6 months ago, and never read the books, he also obviously has never visits sites like this because he is completely unspoiled about nearly every theory and speculation… and his theories and reactions are quite interesting and funny, lol
It’s a rather long conversation, as he is with a friend as they talk it out, but if you are interested in how a complete unspoiled newbie views GOT, it is fun
Ok, now THAT is what we Canadians would call a ‘gooder’ (good one). It could happen!
The Dragon Demands,
Agreed!
Even if the kiss is somehow justified and integral to the story, it seems too voyeuristic and cheap
Jay Targ,
I thought she was excited to be finally back at her birth place. Full circle – what an achievement that is.
On LF and Jon: Maybe the point of his earlier talk re Lyanna with Sansa was that he saw Rhaegar and Lyanna as young people. Maybe he sees a likeness in Jon? Maybe the point with the new scene is to make Jon wonder and it is followed by a Bran scene later.
MaYbe an unpopular opinion but this was okayish trailer.Expecting second one to be more intriguingintriguing with slightly more focus on WW Bran Meera and north in general
Your direwolfs are boring. Who special is in direwolfs? Nothing. Like boring Jon Snow. My God. Even Sansa is more exciting than this Jon. And if you love direwolfs(i too) send one of them against lanissters. You will se effects 😛
Ten Bears,
I just realized…Bran isn’t in the trailer. At All!!
Melisandre is there, Greyworm and Missendei are there, Yara and Ellaria, but no Bran. Wtf!
@Suethefury
Cracking breakdown – great read – cant wait for GOO take on it
Good job – as always 🙂
trailer is just amazing and its how a trailer should be ..
The cinematography and production values are just awesone makes the other show looks childish …makeup and costumes must also be mentioned here ..
And I envy those like luka who live in such a beautiful country
But its very hard to explain how I feel about trailer ..
On one hand i want to be happy on seeing dany on dragons leading dothraki unsullied in the battle but get let down by knowing what will happen after that
On one hand I want to kick myself for reading the leaks but on the other hand happy that I will not be let down after months of waiting to see those episodes after watching the trailer ..
Dany landing in westeros ..hope they captured the feel and what it really means for her …Its not a small thing that she has accomplished here and wish they show us that ..
I got what I wanted from the trailer dany standing beside the painted table of Westeros..
But where did that map come from for cersei ..
Is Mel watching dany and others climbing or she is seeing someone else who we know will come there
Poor stannis ..are we even sure he was at the real dragonstone ..
That throne and painted table looks so cool when its an actual targaryen is owning it
“I was born to rule the seven kingdoms”
Even daenerys herself don’t think that
Wish the show would have focused on how its about her wanting to go home and house with red door instead of making it that she is all about going after IRon Throne ..but I guess that’s a lost cause
Biscotti Knight,
To Littlefinger he has three brothers and all presumably dead.
Jenny,
Leaks
dragonbringer,
Leaks
Tyrion and Varys do have a legitimate reasons to question her. First of all they are her advisors and should voice their opinion. And second, this part of her arc since the very beginning of being Queen, being questioned by others Jorah, Barristan, Missandei or Tyrion newly in the last season during siege of Meereen.
It’s kinda cute how you try to roll with the times. SJW and alt-right being all the rage these days, seems you too shifted your rationalizations of D&D’s sins to more contemporary ones. Nowadays they’re not only gratuitously pervy, they also have a leftist agenda!
Now I’m just waiting for the “Russians made them do it”, and I’ll be content.
dragonbringer,
I’m pretty sure from the look of the figures and amount of the people climbing the stairs, it’s not Team Dany but her future guests.
Dragonstone does look way more badass now but i’m still hoping Dany cleans that map table as Melissandre and Stannis got it on there.
Nope, but Mel told Arya in the show “We will meet again”; that’s not in the books, it’s strictly a D&D invention, so presumably they will follow through? (Although I suppose it may not be this season?)
I have not read the full article yet but who do we think Davos is speaking to you when he says it doesn’t matter whose skeleton sits on the Iron throne? It has to be either Dany or Cersei, it doesn’t feel like Jon, or could it be Littlefinger as a left field suggestion?
Never seen a massed Unsullied action before, besides marching.
They seemed to have a short sword in season 3 and sometimes in season 4, but don’t see they be using it. Also Grey Worm seemed to have more of a knife in S6. Seems to be only spears in those action scenes.
I am very interested to see if Casterly Rock is taken and Jamie defeated in the field (which also means all the Lannister allies also) KL is totally at the mercy of Dany’s forces so why a parlay ? I guess the sacking of KL is left for season 8?
I have just read the article I was thinking the person stood in front of them is
Also great spot on the Sand snakes sharpening their spear, that one had thrown me when I watched it in slow motion!
Jon Snowed,
Yeah
was on set, one guesses he also gets a scene with Dany.
One thing, zero Essos at all this season?
Jon Snowed,
It could be Dany or Cersei but it could also possibly be the Northerners as there is meant to be some tense politics between them in the first couple of episodes, it could even possibly be when they hear about Dany and the northerners are weary of her.
Hi , i would first say thanks for this, it’s a great analysis but I’m not quite right with something you said about the 14th picture, when cersei is in the red donjon with 2 people standing behind her and she seems a little nervous, well from my point it’s not euron greyjoy who is facing her (it doesn’t make sense the way she look) but another greyjoy, yara greyjoy with her new lesbian sex-friend ellaria sand. That will confirm that these two are bend together not only for a minute of pleasure but really up to something and apparently it didn’t end well, and looking at the face of cersei and considering the fact that on of them killed her loving daughter we can only imagine worst for these two characters.
Geralt of Rivia,
Mel,
Yeah It looks like it will be the guests who will arrive later..
I hope Mel takes the cleaning of table herself ..which will be a good way of getting into good side of dany
I don’t want to speak about tyrion and varys now ..I guess we will have plenty of time for that when the episode airs
Anyways those who have feared the absence of Miguel may breathe easy because from the trailer and EW photo the battle and ambush looks good …let’s just hope its like battlr of bastards where it was visually amazing even after the leaks ..
If that is done well then battle in north wil no doubt be done well ..
Those dothraki’s are just awesome…that guy swinging arkhs from both hands reminded me of baahubali movie ( dont know how many of you guys know it ..its an indian movie..pretty much like GOT india’s version)
You could be correct but it feels as though he’s addressing someone important, my immediate reaction was Cersei but it could be Dany also. I guess it’s more likely Dany as Cersei would just as likely have him executed rather than listen.
Thank you Sue for this great and funny break down.
Looking forward to the scene between Jon and LF. Kind of reminds me of Eomer and Grima in LOTR.
And my god, are HBO breaking the bank on this one. Everything looks absolutely stunning. The action looks amazing. That final shot of Drogon and the Dothraki, OMG!
Yeah they wouldn’t have been able to do this if it were ten episodes
What happened to Bran? Don’t tell me he’s going to go missing this entire season. Not again!!
Mel,
It is dany ..
Iam willing to bet this will be the continuation scene ofdany saying I was born to rule and I will rule ..
It will be exactly like what happened with lyanna mormont ..
Iam sure Jon and Davis will
The Dragon Demands,
You don’t even know the context of that 2 second shot ???
dragonbringer,
Well, we need details but it happened before. Dany is not a perfect character and she makes mistakes
If that’s what you¨re worried about. We have other character for this.
Dany could be saying this line about destiny to rule to Jon in private. However, it seems like a spech, Davos is knocking some senses on Dragonstone. He looks he’s about to speak to someone in power and Davos was sens sitting at high table at Winterfell. It can’t be this.
Geralt of Rivia,
We both have a very different view of what can be considered as bad treatment on the show ..
Dany has done mistakes even she admits it …
My problem was more about those two acting like they are the saints and never done a mistake ..
Questioning is OK but if that’s the only thing they are going to do or have a fit when she doesn’t listen to them ..they picked a wrong one if they thought they can pull all the strings and use her as a puppet ..
Its all comes down to writing which is were the problem actually is
Wimsey,
Clob,
When you see the clip of Castle Black’s gate opening up, a snow drift comes in! There is tons of snow there. So either they are just being a bit inconsistent or that is actually further south than it seems.
Reminder to everyone: please be mindful of what you say, using information from filming reports and leaks. Cover your spoilers, for the sake of people who don’t want to know!
If you can tell that it’s rhyolitic lava from that, your eyes are better than mine 😉
AFTER ALL LITTLE FINGER KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT JON’S PARENTS
Meraxes,
I think it’s just a coincidence there are a few inevitable similarities- it’s different enough and they’re missing shots. And have quite a bit wrong.
I have stayed away for soooo long and miss reading all the posts (except maybe the twelve year old’s). I have wanted to avoid leaks this season and that’s not an easy feat. I would put it at the top of the list with fighting WW…lol. I feel like I’m going into S7 pretty “unsullied” so it’s making this season’s imminent arrival much more exciting for me. I think I should have done this ages ago.
Thanks Sue for a GREAT breakdown. Bring on S7!!
Well, there’s no Bran, no Varys, no Theon’s uncle either… The fact they’re not in the trailer does not mean much. They have to keep something to surprise us with.
The Dragon Demands,
I sort of agree but we can’t really judge until we see the scene. But yes, everything Ellaria and Dorne have touched has been pretty poor in terms of writing, so unless we’re in for a massive change in that respect, I wouldn’t expect the scene to be a masterclass in lesbian seduction.
That said, I don’t see why anyone should be offended by it.
Mary,
Not impossible at all. Could make more sense actually. And they love to trick us with how they edit trailers.
Clob,
I have looked at this too, several times and I wonder if this is not Dany but Rhaegar fighting at the Ruby Ford?? (Probably wishful thinking) But basking here in the North, in truly southern temperatures, with this trailer, winter is here at last. Thank you Sue for the breakdown.
dragonbringer,
Leaks
I can’t decipher if Tyrion or Varys are acting like two saints or want to use her as a puppet, if you can do it then you’re better than me. What I see so far are two individuals who are serving her and don’t agree with her certain moves. It could have negative consequences to her campaing they’re invested in. If Dany would eventually gone ahead with her plan in Slaver’s Bay, it would end in a massacre. Be glad Dany has someone like Tyrion. They’re not yes man kind of guys or you want them to be? I hope not.
What about Dany using Daario as a puppet, some people says Jon next season. Keeping him at Dragonstone, pressing him to kneel. If you like his character, how would you adress that if it happens?
My point is. She’s relatively fine and leaks paint in fairly good light. Same can’t be said for mainly Arya, Bran, Jaime, some smaller characters or in small parts Jon. Not to mention Dorne as the whole plot.
Great breakdown of the trailer. I don’t think I’ll ever get tired of that Little Finger/Jon scene!
I’m sure it won’t hit the literary creative excellence of
Ser Not Appearing in this Series,
People like you are exactly what is wrong with this website. Anytime someone says anything remotely negative about the show, somebody comes along to try to put down the books. Well guess what, we’re not talking about the books here. I was talking about the show and how it has handled Dorne.
I never said GRRM’s sex scenes were good. They’re usually not in my opinion.
Now that you’ve valiantly defended the show’s honor, can we move on ? Good.
Geralt of Rivia,
I didn’t mention anything that is spoilery in that comment at least that’s what I thought
The very fact you mention that she must be glad having someone like tyrion is what iam speaking of ..
She doesn’t need him to tell what a certain action will mean …that scene in episode 9 where she says she will crucify masters will never happen in books…
She herself doesn’t want yes men around her …there never was any yes men around her ..everyone questioned her and she always wanted everyone in her council to speak up ..
You don’t need tyrion to tell her that attacking KL means innocent people will die ..
When I say saints they both act like they are the only ones who care about the realm and people and worry that dany is acting on impulse and maybe they were wrong in joining with dany ..these two should be the last to ask anyone to not act on impulse ..
And Sure all that must make dany in better light than other characters …
For all the talk about D&D favoring someone they always tend to be the most hated and villainous while those who are said to be ignored or butchered by them tends to be the most loved ones..
We don’t know full details that’s why I don’t want to talk about it before the episode airs …
I won’t deny that the characters are treated badly and ignored…but my problem comes when people say dany doesn’t fall into the same treatment …she has had her fair share of bad treatment from the show .people must be fair and just in acknowledging that
Anyways iam late for my work. Good day
hmmm 12 heroes beyond the wall? The last hero! If it sticks to the legend only one survives. Who do we think are the 12?
Its a pity that some of those frame grabs are so dark? In some I can hardly make out any detail whatsoever! Kudos goes to those of you who do and can even make constructive comments of who the character could be 😉
TBH, my only complaint with GoT in general is so much is filmed under low light conditions. I can understand why this is done to give ‘ambience’ to a particular scene, but for me perhaps wearing night vision googles would help 😀
A good example was the House of Black and White? HBO must have spent a fortune building the set for that with all those face masks set in the walls and columns. However for me, the scenes in there with Arya, Jaqen H’ghar and the waif were so dark, I found it difficult to see what was going on at times!
Well we know from the trailer than Tormund and Jon are two, I can think of four more (based upon alleged leaks) do we think the others are named characters or could they just be randoms? You have to assume a number of these will die north of the wall given how they are running.
Geralt of Rivia,
She has dragons what did they expect to just use them as aeroplanes ..
They know what aegon had done and no on called him mad…but these two jump again towards mad king ..
Like I said its the writing ..if you want to see who gets the favorite treatment look no where than tyrion and cersei and sansa ( they have pretty much agreed to it ) ..although in the case of sansa they have also managed to butcher her …
Like you said everything is so well in slavers bay thanks to tyrion …they didn’t make him second fiddle to dany in no way …
If they are going to make her mad Queen just be done with it and move on..
But this stupid thing about keep connecting everything to aerys and mad queen and Hitler is getting annoying ..
If they were favoring her I would have guessed we would have more Rhargar mentions in her storyline than aerys mentioned
Jon Snowed,
crabbers son,
I know 5 of the people beyond the wall excluding Jon and Tormund so that makes 7 due to the leaks. Also when they filmed this, they had a picture of Kit and Tormund with a group of wildlings so i’m guessing the other five are wildlings aka cannon fodder who will probably die.
Interesting, I am avoiding spoilers from here on in so i will try to avoid the names but I’m expecting a number of casualties given the urgency in the trailer and what we’ve seen before.
Markus Stark,
You missed the point in your keenness to jump with an assumption – I actually really like the books and am awaiting TWOW keenly. You don’t think it’s possible to enjoy the books and show without being to poke a little fun at either one now and again?
“People like you” ? Lighten up matey – I await your unreserved apology
I see people mention this every so often. Do you usually watch on a handheld device? If so, turning off the auto-brightness and manually setting it at a good level makes a huge difference for me. Prior to doing that there were many things that were too dark for me. I could hardly see a thing in exterior night scenes. Doing that there’s nothing that’s too dark for me unless it’s a scene that’s suppose to be very dark. I don’t have any problems on my computer or television either but I imagine one can fiddle with those settings as well if necessary.
I don’t know if I’m allowed to bring it up here but regarding the prophecy about the PTWP being born amidst salt and smoke with a bleeding star heralding his birth/rebirth, I don’t know if someone else has seen it this way but now that we know the circumstances of Jon’s birth in the show (nevermind the books), could it be that the bleeding star is not actually a star but refers to Ser Arthur Dayne? The star bit being an allegory to the Dayne’s home, Starfall, or even to his sword Dawn being made of meteorite? Of course, the bleeding part is because he died there. And the part about salt and smoke refers to the war, Robert’s Rebellion (salt for the tears or blood shed and smoke for the aftermath of the battles). After all his parents were the reason it even started, he could even be the symbol of that war. The bit about dragons waking from stone, I’m not sure though but maybe it just means the Targaryen line will continue through him.
Anyways, those are just my thoughts and I’m pro Jon so I might be stretching things too far just to fit my wants. Also, I’m sorry if I’m not supposed to talk about unrelated stuff on this thread.
I think you are 100% spot on that Jon is the prince who was promised and I expect it to be confirmed this season in the show – it may not rule out Dany also being part of that prophecy however.
Thanks for the screencaps. That last one of Drogon over the battlefield is now my desktop background!
The scene with Arya with a campfire I suggest could be her 1st re-interaction with Nymeria. The forest in the background is very different in appearance than what we see in other shots. More like a Canadian mixed forest as opposed to a more European forest look in the other shots. Leads back to the leak about what she was doing in Canada with the instinct animals for film.
Where are the other two dragons at the battle scene? Does Dany tell them, “Sit! Now, stay!” and only takes Drogon, ignoring the other two giving dragon-puppy eyes?
I really want to see Arya and Nymeria encounter each other, I think it seems destined to happen in the books at some point. Whether it’s an important plot development or more some kind of symbolic mini arc coda for Arya though I have no idea, since we haven’t been given any sign of her (potential) warging ability in the show.
Cheers Sue great breakdown
It’s been hard this year for me as I’ve tried having my first spoiler free season since series one ( only failed once i.e. lukas massive spoiler in October)
Didn’t think I’d see Jon behind the wall again so that’s intriguing
Ellaria and Yara too hot
Cersei being Cersei but to new levels of crazy
Mel surviving dragonstone and becoming a big player in the battle against the white walkers ( me hopes)
All in all the season looks great can’t wait
I think it’s probably wishful thinking. If it were Rhaegar, why would there be what looks like dragonfire shooting across the top of the water like we can see in the shot? Also, if we’re getting any more flashbacks, I think they will uncover more mysteries from Robert’s Rebellion (Rhaegar and Lyanna’s relationship, their marriage status, etc) rather showcase an expensive battle without giving us any new information. And FWIW, I don’t think it’s Daenerys either. That’s just my two cents.
Baelish, if talking to Jon, would be talking about his dead Stark brothers: Robb, Bran (everyone except Sam and Gilly, who met him at the Nightfort, thinks he’s dead), and Rickon. Jon has no Targaryen siblings that we know of (I’m not buying the Meera theory). Viserys is his uncle, Daenerys his aunt.
Hmm, I suppose that could have been the grand firing of the gun. However, it seems that the hanging was a bit over-elaborate for that. Given that Mel seems to be on Dragonstone and thus apt to meet Daeny, something else is being setup.
I still am wondering if we will get some development of the old “Promised Prince” story and some link to R’hllor or its church through that. The Promised one thing has come up a few times, but they’ve never really made a big deal of it. That’s fine: there is no point in making too big a deal of it if they are not going to do something with it that season. “Promised ones” are such an old motif that it always is hard to tell if it is a Chekhovian gun, or a Chekhovian wall decoration!
Wait: it wasn’t a tapir, was it??? Those things are endangered!!! Yummy, though. Glad I saved a slice for breakfast.
heh, isn’t this the same sort of “reach” that Melisandre made when trying to fit the prophecy onto Stannis? After all, Jon already had been born at that point. Hope, thy name is Procrustes! 😀
Well, not all fire is dragon-fire. Still, there is no reason to think that there was some massive explosion coinciding with Rhaegar’s death, either. It’s not like they have gunpowder or anything like that: and the only explosive we know that they do have creates green fire.
However, we know of no other characters with long pale hair except for Daenerys. Therefore, we should assume that it is her until we have to reject the idea.
There, from Procrustes to Occam in one post. Top that, HB! 😀
No, I’m not using a handheld device. This is on a 19″ flat screen monitor. Some of this is probably due to reflections caused by sunlight coming through the window. However, when I have watched an episode on TV, that’s usually a darkened room and I still have problems with some of the scenes filmed in low lighting not forgetting to mention the audio on GoT compared to other HBO productions seems very low. Not so much with the music, but when the characters are speaking .
Its probably mainly due my age (same as GRRM) and now needing a new pair of glasses plus an ear trumpet! Such is life 🙁
The scene with Cersei on the map and Jamie there with her. Isn’t she on (or very near) The Neck and it looks like he is at The Fingers. Made me sit up and pay attention!
I watch on a 102″ HD TV with stereo surround sound. The mice in the background of night scenes are very visible and very loud.
Oh, kids at home: don’t watch TV with night goggles. It might be the last thing you ever see.
Black Raven,
There are always a lot of comments from people who watch TV that many scenes are shot so dark that it’s hard to see very much, so I don’t think that you are alone or that it is a “age” issue. There seems to be an assumption that modern screens have such high contrast that it’s no problem to shoot scenes with low light, but I find the general recommendation of high contrast + low brightness settings for LCD so that black is really black does mean that some scenes are hard to see properly. If you have a backlight setting you can increase that when the room is well lit as that should help.
Ah, but: they have to be standing somewhere. If this were some recurring pattern in the trailer, then it might mean something. However, the other thing to remember is that the people who make the trailers are not involved with the production of the show. (And, no: it’s not different for INSERT MY FAVORITE SHOW/FILM HERE; with rare exceptions, the producers and showrunners leave marketing to the marketing professionals, just as the marketers leave the showrunning/production to the professionals. HBO pays both groups well for their expertise.) The producers give the trailer-group of the marketing department a bunch of action shots and other random shots (like, say, Arya riding through the woods), and they whittle it down to something that has (as someone very aptly put it yesterday) “adrenaline.” Sometimes the producers will tell the marketers what the story is. That must have been the case two years ago, when they used the song Heroes. (The odds of them picking a song that tells the same story as the Crows/Dragons books is astronomically small; er, wait: that should be 1/astronomically small, shouldn’t it!) However, in other cases, it is just “stuff that looks fun!”
Oh, and for what it is worth: this stuff looks fun! I’m getting my fanboy back on. (*looks at note from aide*) *grumble* OK, my fan-middleage-man back on. Well, at least my CBO rating is not abysmal…..
Also, watch Thrones and most other HBO fare in a room with low or no lights. Because of the spread of HD big-screen TVs, shows increasingly are filmed like movies. And movies are filmed to be shown in the dark. (This is why TV and movies looked fundamentally different for so long: but that’s much less true now.)
Are any of them wearing red shirts? That usually is a tip-off.
Summer Child,
Oh my sweet summer child, this has been said so many times already 🙂 I, for one, agree
Wimsey,
By “at that point”, what did you mean? Did you mean at the moment when Arthur Dayne died? Because the red comet that people try to associate when they talk about the version where Dany is the PTWP fell after Dany was reborn with her dragons, not before or after so I don’t really get your point. I’m sorry if you meant something else though.
I didn’t get the Procustes reference so I had to google it. I did say I could/am stretching to fit my wants.
We’re talking books now, right? Because show Jon and Sansa know about Bran being alive. Jon was told by Sam and Sansa by Theon.
double_trouble,
Hehe.. Yeah. I know a lot of the theories about Jon being the PTWP but in all of the theory videos I’ve watched so far, they always have trouble trying to fit Jon with the bleeding star bit of the prophecy so it just came to me that it may be Arthur Dayne, though I know I’m stretching
Summer Child,
Actually, many theories refer to Dayne’s sword as being the ‘bleeding star’. It might also be why the show paid extra attention to the sword when young Ned placed it (covered with blood) next to Lyanna’s bed at the Tower of Joy.
The comet is spotted before Dany steps into Drogo’s pyre (it’s actually first seen in a Bran chapter a few chapter back).
I do, however, also like the Arthur Dayne interpretation that you’re referring to.
Ryan Neuner,
I don’t think it could be ruled out as Rhaegar, whom I don’t suspect, or Daenerys falling into the water even if that is a dragon fire blast. For a rider to fall off a dragon I’d think it would have to be hit with something to cause it to turn or fall wildly. It could then retaliate with fire quickly and blindly while on the ground or falling without regard to what’s in the path.
It would mean a bunch more in the cgi budget but would it not be cool for us to see her reveal, or un-reveal herself as it were, in front of Jon, Davos and others. Not that they don’t believe she has access to magical powers, but seeing something like that right in front of them could do a lot for her claims that she can be of great assistance to them.
Good one. I enjoy that Procrustes was killed via a method of his own design. Perhaps Qyburn and LF will fit that model. Maybe the poor CotF did as well. Regarding Occam, D&D have mastered the art of his storytelling razor but maybe they’ll leave many of the big picture questions open to interpretation and assumption.
Wimsey,
The show Baelish is inconsistent, less a character than a tool, so determining what he might know is difficult. My sense is that if the plot requires he know something, then he will.
…and it’s not a stretch that he would know something, which, as I said in my post, doesn’t have to be the full tale. Bran has “seen” the toj portion of the tale, but not the actual “kidnapping.” I’m imagining LF filling in this portion of the tale. Everyone has their version of that story, which LF would be familiar with. All he needs to do is give the Targ take, which is that Lyanna ran off willingly with a married man, dishonoring her family, starting a civil war. That’s more than enough for Jon to go for LF, and more than enough prep for Bran’s telling of the toj tale. I’m thinking of Lyanna as part of whatever’s happening between Jon and LF, because the fight is happening in the crypts, and in this show, crypts=Lyanna.
As for LF using the full story to control Ned: I don’t know if LF knows that one. However, if he did, his only option for using it would be after Robert’s death, at which point, a lot of his leverage would be lost. My sense is that Ned would lose his temper, as he did when he found Cat at the brothel, and kill him.
Hi, everyone! Watched the trailer like a hundred of times, red all the comments, but there are still mysteries, right?
One of them is a sword being sharpened (yes, I think it’s a sword, not a spear), which represents Cersei’s “enemies in the south”. I think I have recognize the blade – won’t bet my life on it, but it looks very much like Oathkeaper.
And it would make a perfect sense. First of all, we have already seen Oathkeeper being sharpened in the promotional material we got earlier. Secondly, Brienne of Tarth (which is in the south) is the biggest southern threat to Cersei, cause she is probaly the only one still able to make Jaime to leave his hateful sister and join the good guys. Of course, Brienne will be approaching Cersei (and Jaime) from the north, but when you think of it there will be a twist in every single case. For instance, the Unsullied clearly represent the “enemies in the east”, but the trailer reveals that they will embark on the Casterly Rock, which is in the west. Euron represents the “enemies in the west”, but
, and if he ever attacks her, that attack will come from the west. Arya represents the “enemies in the north”, but here again we can be sure that if she ever comes for Cersei, she will come under cover approaching from an unexpeceted direction.
Hence, I think that the person sharpening the sword is Brienne sharpening Oathkeeper and that it’s she who represents Cersei’s enemies in the south. And when you look at the hand it’s a rather large hand, but still more femininne than masculine.
So, what do you think?
The other detail I wanted to adress was the shot of Jon running? Has anyone noticed that his hair looks to be turning white? Of course, it might be just a weird lighting, but for me ir really looks like Jon is turning grey due to all that stress. It happens in real life: I know one particular case, when a man turned totally grey in less than a minute, but that’s not the point. The point is that if Jon’s magnificient curls change colour into grey or rather white, his parentage may become obvious to everyone who have ever seen Rhaegar (and that includes the smallfolk of King’s Lading as well as the nobility). I hope that won’t be happening, because I don’t want Kit Harington to bleach his hair or wear a white wig, but still wouldn’t that be a solution for the revelation? Someone, please, talk me out of this crazy idea.
OK, I am talking you out of this crazy idea! 🙂 Don’t overthink it – his hair is just frozen or covered with snow. They are running in freezing cold behind the Wall (I assume). That’s all
Sue the Fury,
Yes, people without penises conduct sexual activity. But those people also have hormones, and without his twig and berries, Grey Worm lacks testosterone. That would most likely make him lack desire, and for that matter, lack muscle mass, too. The whole Unsullied as boys turned into eunuches as toddlers thing actually is a logical flaw in the story.
I’ll go sit down now.
Choo choo, all aboard the hype train! I know this is probably a really stupid question, but what are the two ‘wings’ sticking out of the side of the Greyjoy ship? Are they sails at a strange angle?
Lightened up a couple of screen shots in photoshop. Other people have pointed all of this out already, but not in one place, I don’t think. In the shot of Jon and the gang, going from left to right you can see LF leaning on the wall next to the candles. In the second row of seated people there’s a small dark haired person second from front (Lyanna Mormont?). The fourth person from the back looks a bit like Tormund, although may well be just a looky-likey and the second from back is a small boy WOTW SPOILERS
And in the second seated row from the right, the third person from the back, wearing a yellowish cloak, could be Yohn Royce?
In the shot of the explosion on a ship we very briefly get a glimpse of someone who might conceivably be Theon, but is probably someone else entirely.
Best guess for the people falling into the water is LEAK SPOILERS
maria,
IMO, when we discuss Littlefinger’s actions, we should keep in mind his “pretty picture”.
Would blackmailing Ned made this picture a reality? No way. First of all, that could have provoked Ned to tell the truth to his family, especially Cat, and she would have been hapy as hell leaving no more hopes to Littlefinger. Secondly, Ned might have even decided to install Jon on the Iron Throne. And in general, Littlefinger wanted Ned’s death, not control over him; hence, there was no point of revealing the secret.
But now the situation is different: if Littlefinger manages to persuade Jon to claim the Iron Throne, it will be the last step towards his dream. Jon has a good chance to win either by oppossing Dany as a foreign invader or by marrying her – makes no difference, because Dany is considered to be barren, and therefore this marriage is not supposed to produce any issue. And what happens if Jon and Dany die without issue (and die early)? Ringht, – Sansa becomes the heiress, and Littlefinger by her side… He will be thinking that Bran is also dead, before he shows up at the gate of Winterfell; so, form Littlefinger’s POV it would be the right moment to tell the King in the North that his lineage entitles him to be the King of all the Seven Kingdoms and that he will be the “last best hope against the comming storm” etc.
However, Jon would read his message differently. First of all, he will be unwilling to believe such an untrustworthy person. Secondly, he will get fixed on the “kidnapped and raped” version of events (I don’t thik that Littlefinger will tell him that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love). And that would be devastating for Jon: whatever he thought about his parents, he should have thought that the passion between them was sincere. Now he would be ripped of that belief. And how would he react? I bet at first he will keep everything to himself the same way he did with his resurrection issue, but when he meets Dany and sees her initail unwillingness to embark on the only war that matters, he might start thinking… In fact, I really want Jon to go through the test of being tempted with power before the ultimate climax: without that his growth wouldn’t be complete, but we’ll see how it plays. For Jon getting the news from such a piece of shit like Littlefinger may even do good and serve as a sort of safeguard preventing him from being carried away by excessive entitlement. But I know nothing: even the leaks are no help in this case.
double_trouble,
Thank you for the attempt. I would be glad to accept that Jon’s hair is simply frozen, but then why there is no frost around his mouth? I would rather think it’s some weird light, but we’ll see.
Lulus Mum,
Than you, Lulus Mum! Your photoshop skills are great. Now I can see even maester Voolkan standing by the widow and Pod next to Brienne (and a lot more).
Agree with you in regard to the shot of somebody falling into the water
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As for Theon, no doubt, that he is on that burning ship, though most probably he will be represented by Alfie’s stunt/body double.
BTW, could you try to do some photoshoping (or at least give your qulified oppinion) on the shot with thre men running up a gangplank to a ship, as it has been identified? People say, they can see Jon and Brienne, but I’m not sure.
I was just thinking, we are pretty sure there will be an encounter, but what purpose will it serve? They meet, lock eyes and then what? Nymeria returns to her wolf pack never to be seen again, or do we assume for budget reasons that Nymeria will be like Ghost, around somewhere in the forest, but not seen until needed?
How about giving the meeting more than fan service, and have Nymeria lead Arya to Bran! Meera looks like she is having a rough time dragging Bran back to Winterfell, giving the wolf bond a little more meaning, like their sibling connection, and having Nymeria be aware of both Arya and Bran would be a special moment.
But I’m probably wrong (I don’t read spoilers)… please don’t tell me if I’m dead wrong. A girl can hope for a few more months 🙂
Inga,
Hi Inga *waving as always*. I’ve left my computer, and hence photoshop, at work. I did try to do something with that shot but it wasn’t at all clear who they (or the people on the ship) were. Mind you, I didn’t have anyone in mind for who it might be. I’ll give it a go tomorrow and post so you can see what I mean. LEAK SPOILERS
No, no it doesn’t, at all. It doesn’t look anything like Oathkeeper, or even a sword for that matter. I think your “mind’s eye,” your theory is making you think that. Pause the trailer at :15 and you can see the point of the blade that is being sharpened. There are protruding ridges rather than a blood groove coming together right up to the point, much different than a standard long sword, and definitely different than Oathkeeper. It is consistent with steel heads of spears. Look at any image of Oathkeeper and you’ll see that the blood groove ends about 2/3’s of the way to the point. The last 1/3 the steel is shaped into a regular diamond shape. There are no protruding ridges or grooves at the point of the sword.
A few weeks ago, I sat down with my psychoanalyst during my quarterly session and opened up with the following: “Why do I detest the fact that the Dothraki are being used to invade Westeros? Does that make me a xenophobe?” After the analyst collected herself (a GoT fan as well), it led to an interesting conversation about immigration (forced/unforced), indigenous pride and reaction, alienation and tolerance.
Last season, I debated the pros and cons of Dothraki presence in Westeros with many here. Although the battle scenes are going to be spectacular and fun, I still hold the attitude that the endgame with Dothraki in the picture is ripe with chaos. They know nothing of cold weather, they have limited areas where they can settle and mature in Westeros, they will forever be viewed as non-indigenous invaders, and they are inherently nomadic and have pillaging tendencies. What will be their new Vaes Dothrak?
Are we to assume that the Dothraki have completely changed for the sake of the story, as a response to their new queen’s conquering desires?
Although it is not likely, I would like to see their discomfort in this new situation, their alienation and difficulty to integrate. Are they in Westeros simply to serve as a conquering army for Dany then return to Essos after new Westeros leadership is attained?
Not that I care too much for their people, I fear this will not end well for the Dothraki, which will also haunt Dany as she pursues Westeros dominance and survival from the WW invasion.
Just my 2 cents…
Clob,
OK. Your eyes are better, than mine. If it’s a spear, it should be a hint to Obara. Anyway we’ll find out the truth in 2 months or so.
Lulus Mum,
Wawing back.
Yes, I couldn’t connect that shot to any of the leaks or filming spoilers too, and that makes it probably the biggest riddle of the entire trailer.
I’ve given the topic some thought as well. Sure, they have a marauding, conquering mindset, and following their Khal is what they do, but this is above and beyond anything they’ve ever done. I’d like to think that they will be able to return to their own lands when all is said and done. Hopefully they’d be compensated heavily as well.
Hodors Bastard,
Lulus Mum,
I watched that shot between 1:14 and 1:17 again and again and got some ideas about what might be happening here.
1) The ship looks very much like Euron’s Silence from the front and it looks like she is standing in a dock.
2) The person carrying the torch really looks very much like Jon. The person behind him looks elderly: he has white hair and a beard. Davos was my first guess, but the shape of his head looks different (and yet familiar). I can’t identify him yet (might be some extra from the Ironborn). By logic, the person leading the groop should be Theon.
3) I think I have also spotted Gendry or rather his war-hammer on the ground, but on the second look it may be just an axe carried by some Irondorn extra. There were some bodies and some people waiting for the ones running out of the ship.
So, in general it looks like Jon and Theon will be breaking into Silence – to free Yara is my best guess, but who knows? Anyway, higher resolution and photoshoping is badly reqiured. I put my hopes into your skills and hardware.
The trailer has set the record for most views over the first 24 hours. Over 61 million!
What would be the currency of compensation? A future dragon egg? That would be so GRRM to have the Iron Bank involved as a post-invasion fiscal/commodities arbiter for all parties involved. Just think of the tax consequences!
Hodors Bastard,
I don’t know… stuff they would normally take after conquests – goats, horses, gold, miscellaneous valuables… ships now that they shouldn’t be as afraid of sailing…? Probably want to avoid giving them women. 😛
The enemies to the south are the Dornish. Not the Vale of Arryn.
I’m curious how they are going to make this an even fight when the Lannisters and Freys are against Dorne, the Reach, the Dothraki, the Unsullied, a group of Ironborn, and 3 dragons. Plus you’d have to assume the Riverlands would side with Dany after the Lannister and Freys did so much to them.
Maybe they will give the Lannisters the Stormlands to try to even things out? I’d say Euron too but I can’t see that working.
Lulus Mum,
After the 30 rewatch that scene between 1:14 and 1:16 may be just a part of the sea battle and show Euron bording Yara’s ship. So, sorry. My eyes must be cheating me tonight.
dragonbringer,
I know but just to make this whole debate in spoilers section because we’re touching on the spoilery subject. 😉
Leaks
You’ve come across different point but I’ll adress it. They might told her to do not attack KL but this also offers Tyrion to go with Davos on mission to make them surrender and also advances the plot. Is that really a bad thing? You know that they might care for her mission and in their eyes it could jeopardize it. You want Dany to be the best at everything, seeing everything and essentially don’t need any advise. Because that’ what they’re doing advising her, just thei own opinion and she can dismiss it or accept it. We do not know.
Look at Jon, Dany pushes him to kneel at every single opportunity or kneels for her at the pit. You know like I do that this is a bad political move, yet I don’t see you mentioning that or Arya becoming executioner if you like them like you said you did. We might not like certain stuf but it is what it is.
Dany gets her fair share of bad tratment, it happened before but don’t like she gets the worst deal around this past seasons or this upcoming when you know it’s not true.
As for your second comment.
She has three dragons but mistakes can be made.
And yes, Tyrion was second fiddle to her when they were around each other. Same thing happened to Jon. Go and read BotB script to see how much favouritism plays a part in this.
To to the people who know all the spoilers can anyone tell who the three people running in the background of Jon and Tormund are?
Under spoiler coding of course though
*LEAKS*
Jorah
Sandor
Gendry
Beric
Thoros
In that photo it’s impossible to pick out which 3 though.
dragonbringer,
That you can blame on George; its pretty much how he wrote it.
Mel,
re the table – yeah I had the same thought, ewwww
Summer Child,
could it be that the bleeding star is not actually a star but refers to Ser Arthur Dayne? The star bit being an allegory to the Dayne’s home, Starfall, or even to his sword Dawn being made of meteorite
Thats an interesting idea – the blood also being Lyannas. And don’t make yourself a stranger; your post was just fine, it was relevant enough.
crabbers son,
Ooooh what legend are you talking about? I’ve never heard of that. Do tell! 🤔
GodofTitsandWine,
I think you are right!!!
Jon Snowed,
I 100% think (and hope) you are right. BUT…how many times have we heard GRRM reject the “stereotypical” standard of what we consider to be a hero? He hates the norms. Jon is the obvious choice for a hero (in my opinion) and that’s why I think it wouldn’t be unthinkable that GRRM would change it up on us. I reaaaaaally hope he doesn’t though. Team Jon all the way.
ash,
Please do provide one single quote where dany thinks like that in books ..I can show you plenty of quotes how she thinks that she is the last one no one wikm take her home now and she must do it herself ..how she was menat to marru visrrys or how nice it would have been if his nephew was alive he would rule and he would have married her. …in fact show me one quote where she thinks of IT as something she wants…its always been the house and red door …her house happens to be KL
Geralt of Rivia,
I have read BoTB and it was pretty clear who they are favoring and what they think of dany …I hope you give it a read once. Again …if I had the script with me now I can quote some things which gives us an idea how they view dany…
If they favored dany I would have thought they would have white washed her like they did with tyrion …or given more importance or increased the screen time like they have done with cersei and sansa. .but there is nothing like that …in fact if she opens her mouth it will be about her titles or IT .
The epic scenes are no thanks to them but the she always meant to have and without another choice the show is playing her out.
I don’t know how anyone can say he is playing second fiddle when every time she just made shut up and brought up her father and reminded how she is like that and we better do it his way ..
I don’t think dany is best at everything but she is good and intelligent …just show that instead of making her brainless and tyrion is brains of her ..so much of her political skills and ruling capabilities were ignored on the basis of she is conqueror not ruler but now when it comes to conquering they are making her bad again..so she is not good in that also i guess. .
Yes tyrion enters KL to convince jamie why the two people who knew about secret passages dont advise dany about the secret passages and come up with a plan to arrest or kill cersei ..I wouldn’t have cared much about it if not for them to going to KL for a mission
Like i said bad writing…
Summer Child,
The prophecy speaks about
warrior born amidst salt and smoke will pull the flmaing sword under the bleeding star.
The comet appeared right befpre dany stepped into the fire ..
So dany pulled the dragons out of fire under the comet known as bleeding star ..
Show just simply told us how comet is herald for dragons .
Jay Targ,
We read first in bran chapter but the comet appears first in dany chapter because the chapters are not chronological in order ..
For instance .,We first saw Jon arryn die and Robert at winter fell before we saw dany marrying drogo but in fact the marriage happened before Jon arryn dies ..
Hodors Bastard,
Lol it doesn’t surprise me ..
In the past how many times we have been speaking about dothraki and did you ever got it right in one instance ..it must have been hard
Why it’s hard to believe that people will change and adapt to new life and conditions after all change is the only thing that is inevitable …those who are in westeros also came from east and like dothraki but they settled didn’t they similarly this too will happen …situations will make them to .
The people north of the wall with Jon are
Inga,
Morning! Managed to download the trailer and watch on the tv so now have a much clearer image of some of the darker shots and can answer some of my own and your questions. Also spotted some potentially new things
* the wings on the ship are definitely sails, as suspected
* still not sure if possibly Theon is him or not, the lighting makes that person’s hair look potentially much darker than it actually is
* Brienne is sitting directly in front of Sansa in the picture of Jon’s gang. You can just see her hair. As you mentioned above the guy closest to us by the windows is wearing a maester’s chain
* the streaks in Jon’s hair are snow. There are some in Tormund’s hair too. Mind you, I have grey streaks in roughly that part of my hair too, so perhaps I’m a secret Targ?
* the three people running down the gang plank are definitely men and the one at the back, as you say, has grey hair. The latter is of fairly big build, so I guess this must be the person it was suggested is Brienne, but it definitely isn’t. He looks a bit like the Blackfish to me but that seems highly unlikely. I don’t think they are people we know. The group they are running towards are also unidentifiable but one of them has either the Greyjoy sigil or a picture of spaghetti on their shield. I’m going to bet on the former, unless House Pasta are making a late debut into the show. They look like they are running through an arch shape WOTW SPOILERS
* in the picture of Miss Worm, the three streaks aren’t scratches, they are the ties on his top. Unless there are some further down his chest which we can’t see in the photo above, his chest is unmarked
* in the shot of the group (presumably north of the wall) running with their backs to the camera, the person on the right turns towards us. They look as if they have a grey beard, although it’s hard to tell as it’s similar to their clothing colour-wise. It looks to me like it might be Davos LEAK SPOILERS
That’s it for the moment, gotta go do some work.
Markus Stark,
Re: Ellaria and Yara, I think Ser Not may have been meaning – well let’s wait and see the context of the shot. I think someone up thread has said it might be a suicide pact with a mirroring of how Myrcella was murdered. I didn’t read/listen to the books/audio books until after I’d seen season 2 of the show so haven’t been as upset by all the changes from page to screen as some of the folk who’ve been with the story since 1996. I was puzzled by the somewhat strange adaptation of the Dorne subplot – maybe the showrunners didn’t have the time to do the Q**** maker story line – I read they said they didn’t have time to do the Vale plot which was one of the reasons they changed Sansa’s story line; actually I didn’t mind that change so much. I think also D&D wanted to expand Ellaria’s part because they like Indira Varma – I actually prefer book Ellaria. I quite liked Jessica Henwick (Nymeria Sand) in a British series “Silk” (about barristers) where she played a pupil barrister.
I didn’t mind them cutting the Griffs but then I’m aware there are some folk who were disappointed at their exclusion. I was sorry they cut the characters of a couple of Robert’s bastards though.
A Shot-by-Shot Breakdown of the ‘Game of Thrones’ Trailer
The Ringer’s Mallory Rubin and Jason Concepcion take an in-depth look at the trailer for the seventh season of ‘Game of Thrones.’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piB4qRn3Xp4
Great to see these two back.Some of you might recognize them from last year’s GoT post-show After the Thrones.
Someone did a masterful photoshop job on frames of the meeting at Winterfell and the two people jumping from the ship:
http://imgur.com/a/cEhFb
Hah! What a yawnfest that would be for this tale. The Dothraki aren’t Ewoks. Are you planning to invite the showThenns to dinner as well? It would be idiotic to assume anything but chaos when considering how the Dothraki would integrate into Westeros.
Lyannabanna,
Without blowing my own trumpet I posted those. It’s amazing what lightening the pictures can sometimes show us. Thank goodness my work needed to buy photoshop (it’s really expensive!). 😀
The reason I’m replying is to say I don’t think the two people in the second picture are the ones who fall into the water. I stuck it in because I thought it might possibly be Theon. Having read the spoilers I have a good idea who the people in the water may be. Now I’ve seen the trailer on tv it looks like the sun is shining into the water when the people fall in, while this is-it-Theon shot is presumably at night, so could well be two different scenes.
Wimsey,
If it is coincidence, then what a wonderful coincidence! Love it. (Yet some people claim that there is no such thing… We’ll see, I am happy and thrilled to bits, whatever the case may be.)
Lulus Mum,
Fab job Lulus Mum, thank you for that.
Red Door,
You’re welcome 😀
Lulus Mum,
Thank you for all you have done!
I have also came to the coclusion that the shot between 1:14 and 1:16 is just a part of the naval battle and that it’s almost the same shot we were shown several seconds earlier, just taken from above.
But now I get more and more inrigued by “Not Theon falling into the water”.
They have left a lot out about Euron, but personally I think its because he’s got some tricks up his sleeve. The King’s Moot chapter in Feast For Crows, from which the corresponding scene in “The Door” Episode in Season 6 was based on, ends with
No Dragonbinder please!! Too late… no Victarion that would have taken it with him to Meereen either. It’s a dumb ‘prop’ in the books and would be worse to introduce it now on the show.
They can show it being more difficult than expected (or realistic) without a “trick” such as that. Her war against Cersei/Euron doesn’t appear to be the biggest obstacle she’ll have to overcome so it doesn’t need to be near decimation in the process.
Clob,
Well, not the horn per se, but basically some means by which Dany’s conquering of Westeros isn’t a given. We all know Aegon went unchallenged because of his dragons, and that wouldn’t make for much of an intriguing season if she can just burn everything without much of a fight. Something that where leading up to the season finale we’re not sue she’s gonna actually win, or survive even. That’s what made most of the season finales so fun, especially the battle of the bastards and cersei’s wildfyre elimination of the sparrows and tyrells.
Referring to the picture of the 12 men in the circle– guessing behind the wall. Based on previous comments, we can guess who 6 of the men could be, but one hasn’t been said yet.
Spoiler from leaked photos:
Benjen Stark.
We saw photos of him in Belfast with some of the other cast. It would seem pretty reasonable that he would hook up with the gang in the North & get involved with that hold mess.
Jenny,
Hide the spoilers please ffs!
dragonbringer,
Leaks
I just love your snark comments on humble poor Jon Snow. You’re pretty good at along with others. So do not act like you car for Jon other than how he serves for Dany. Jon is humble and selfless but nobody says he’s more than Daenerys. In fact thre is a fine line between humble and naive. Jon falls in the second category.
If you have read BotB script, then you’d know how D&D sees Dany and Sansa as two the most powerful beings, someone not to be mess with. Especially Sansa.
Let’s look at Dany. She has Tyrion who is doing a bit of work for her, same way Davos for Jon. Her plan might have worked and what Daario originally suggested. Kill them all and be done with it. She tried for peace and then wantd to do what Daario told her.
Reminding Aerys is not needed because she will not become like him. Tyrion is one of the smartest, probably smarter than other main characters including Arya, Sansa, Jon or Daenerys. We know snipets of the plot or conversations. They’ll make him look stupid for believeing Cersei’s words.
Davos talked for Jon to the Mormonts and actually showing more brain than Jon in the campaign. Lyanna made him King, Mel resurrected him etc. He constantly needs help from other because he’s that damn bad. D&D even wanted Jon as the protagonist to fail miserably at the battlefield … when we know from the books he has a solid mind for strategy … not anywhere close to brilliant mind of Napoleon … but not terrible like they’ve portrayed him.
Dany is quite bright and smart and if you read the leaks she’ll do few things in a good way, win against Lannisters and basically having Cersei cornered. What did Jon do? Kneel, play around and got Jaime Lannister to join them due to his naitivity but that’s fine, right? There are characters being treated more badly than Dany or equally. Mainly talking Jaime, Arya or Bran.
Sue the Fury,
This is what a Dornish spear (like the ones used by Oberyn, Obara and the Dornish guards) looks like:
https://tllcreations.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/img-2.jpg
Even though it doesn’t correspond to Cersei’s “enemies to the south” voice-over (making them seem irrelevant for such a shot), the shape, size and, especially, the two converging fullers/blood grooves make this blade look very much like the bronze daggers used by the Unsullied as secondary sidearms. Unless they’ll be introducing new props for Dorne.
https://usatthebiglead.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/down-go-the-masters.gif?w=1000
These daggers can be seen later in the trailer strapped to the waist of each Unsullied sacking Casterly Rock, including Grey Worm.
Funnily enough, it seems that they weren’t issued short swords, probably for mobility reasons in the tight space of the Casterly Rock set.
Geralt of Rivia,
A terrible beauty
Looking at tyrion like a snake looking at a rat
My tyranny just began .
Smiling at tyrions uncomfortable and weak
Great lines just shows how much they like her …
If you want to talk about the line she is riding a dragon like she was born to ride one…that is not great line and its very obvious things …instead they treat dany as voldomort and tyrion as Snape that’s what the conversation reminded me seeing how tyrion thinks he must tread carefully and how dany treats him ..
If you have read the books you will know how she treats her people ..
Why didn’t you read the lines written for Jon
even though he didn’t like the boy he likes his balls
There he is the king the she was meant to serve
You always accuse me of dany fan and want everything for her …you are no better than me when it comes to Jon so stop ..its so obvious where the story is going ..
The only one who should have the power is the one who doesn’t go for it and somehow D&D thinks it applies only to Jon …so all this will lead to Jon becoming king in the end ..
I wouldn’t be surprised at D&D if there is a scene in season 8 where his parentage is revealed and tyrion and varys switch sides to him …dany being the entitled mad queen she is will forget the threat and try to kill him using her dragons and even dragons won’t listen to her at that time
You say she wouldn’t turn like aerys and tyrion won’t use it …except he has done that only thing and in the coming season also does the same thing
Wimsey,
Yeah, my 47-year-old left knee could use that treatment too.
I realize it’s way too late to be thinking about this, and it no longer matters… but having just watched S1-S5 again, I noticed that Melisandre wasn’t wearing her necklace in the scene with Selyse, when she was taking a luxurious bath and explaining glamour to the thin-lipped Mrs. Stannis. Does this mean that Selyse is the only person who, as far as we know, saw the Red Woman in her true form? It would certainly explain her, um, notable lack of jealousy.
Wimsey,
LMAOOO!!!
dragonbringer,
Daenerys had every reason to look at Tyrion that way or did you expected to say “oh hi, member of the family who helped killed mine.”
My tyranny has just begun? When did she said that?
Treated Dany as Voldemort? You really said this? You couldn’t be more wrong. It made her sound arrogant, pompous or self entitled but she’s the Queen. In no way they made her look like Voldemort or Tyrion as Snape. They made him look a lot differently. I suggest to wacth or read HP books or movies.
Dany treats her people the same way but she can be ruthless to her enemies in the books and on the show. She loves her family, friend and people but hates her enemies. Targaryen way.
Now you’re trying to accuse me because I just exactly show what you’re on about? Well, for the starters, I like Dany more than you do with Jon. I don’t make snarky remarks, I criticize and priase both of them unlike you … even when it comes to Daenerys vs Jon Snow contest.
I made my point of how dumb he was in the last season. Also, made a point of how much they took from Daenerys connection to Rhaegar and not Aerys … how much she has self doubt about her decisions … her dothraki vision quest … house with the red door. Where or when did you ever defended Jon in general … in debate about Daenerys and Jon? Would like to know the answer.
Jon is selfless and humble much like Daenerys … but she’s the Queen and there are limits for it. I dislike ice queen season 4 or 5 … but first three season were some of her best work. Davos is selfless, Missandei, GW, Sam, Gilly for example. Many of he character displayed hese qualities and it is not just a contest between Silver Queen and Bastard of the North.
Daenerys seeks the throne and power, Cersei seeks the throne and power , Night King seeks it too … all for a different reasons but they do.
Jon does not, Arya does not, Bran does not. Jon is out of them the only major player left thatdoes not seeks and you’re mad about it … because it puts in better light than Daenerys. Nobody is pointing at him being in general more selfless than Daenerys but when it comes to throne, he wants nothing to do with it. This was his story from the very beginning … being trusted upon with a big responsibility. Daenerys was born for it and from the start she wanted to claim and use it for a better purpose. Fine, make your snarky remarks but you’ve just been proven wrong.
I honestly very much doubt Tyrion or Varys would ditch her because Daenerys is not going to become the new mad queen … this is Cersei. Reveal will about something entirely else like how it affects Jon as a character, Daenerys, how it affects their relationship.
One question what is your opinion of him kneeling? I guess you must be in your heart satisfied with it much lie other hardcore Dany stans.
Wolfish,
I’ve seen people mention this before and they suggested that because Selyse was such a strong believer, which I think Mel might even say in that scene, she was unable to see her true form as the glamour just carried on working. On the other hand, Mel does say something to the effect of a lot of magic being an illusion anyway, so perhaps she was comfortable with Selyse seeing her real form because it would confirm her belief in Mel’s powers? I don’t know; as with so many minor points I’ll guess we’ll never find out.
Wolfish,
Lulus Mum,
This had been discussed to death after last year’s premiere and you can find endless debates online.
Since it’s highly unlikely that this was an oversight, perhaps the production team did not want to confirm (as early as season 4) the preexisting book readers’ theory that the ruby is the glamour’s power source. Or the prop necklace should not get wet. Or it can only charge inside the rectum…
Check out the wiki’s note next to Carice’s photo:
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/The_Red_Woman#Notes
Awesome breakdown Sue! The trailers move so fast and it’s easy to miss the subtleties. 49 days to go…can’t wait! Soon we’ll have the answers to all the onscreen images, what they mean and where they’re going…
The most explicit they have gotten on the show is when Lady Olenna says to Varys, “What happens when the non-existent bumps up against the decrepit?” after asking if he’s trying to seduce her for information.
Sword of the Evening,
Oh, come on. You’re completely off base here. It’s not about denying lesbian intercourse – which is apparently your issue, going off that last sentence.
There’s a very big difference between two women having intercourse, with their sexual organs both intact, and sex between a woman and a man without his sexual organs (which is the implication). Two women with their sexual organs intact can both give ánd receive. Outside of the pleasure of giving -which does go a long way-, it does pose a bit of an awkward situation in terms of receiving for Grey Worm in terms of what usually goes for heterosexual intercourse.
But I guess he can receive climax through anal stimulation.. If GW is into that. I mean he basically was an asexual drone, only now coming into his own sexuality. He could be bisexual for all he knows. I doubt he even knows what he likes aside from his attraction to Missandei and her affection to he honest.
c_reed,
You’re not alone – after first watch, I thought it was Jon kissing Sansa (was totally bummed).
Now this comment is actually gold. ..
Remember that all this conversations happened because you said D&D prefer dany over tyrion and other characters and she is not treated bad as others ..
No I expected her to treat him as human being and one of her council men …as you said she is ruthless to her enemies not to her own people..
She is smiling at the uneasiness of tyrion and his weakness..
She is treating him as a trapped mouse and leering at him like a snake ( words taken from the script )
Yes I actually said that ..as I said above she is literally keeps mocking him for his trembling ….reading that script reminded me of two scenes especially from Deathly hallows one from the prologue chapter in malfoy manor and other from the shrieking shak where he kills Snape ..
I thought you read the script …maybe should read the scrpit again and then go on to read HP books and watch the movies as well then you will see how well it mirrors ..
It doesn’t surprise me you didn’t know about this …you guys are so quick in your ridiculous claims that D&D favor dany and not Jon …you don’t see what you want to see ..if you had you would have also seen they treated Jon well in the script …gets admired by his enemies and called the right king she must serve by Mel ..
If writing a line about how dany is riding a dragon like she was born to ride one makes you claim that writers have a preference towards dany..then what does it make of Jon making him the greatest swordsman ever lived ..
Exactly and I didn’t know tyrion is one of her enemies ..
Lol at calling it a tragaryen way ..Is other houses or any other people any different who treats their enemies same as their friends..
Lol except spending every thread how D&D only show preference towards dany and sansa and treats other characters like shit and prepping dany at the cost of other characters..
For the record I didn’t even bring up Jon and I was just speaking about dany …its you who made it a contest about how dany is not badly treated like other characters ..
Go back to the battle of bastards episode… And in one of threads where it was first reported Jon must have asked sansa or how it was sansa who has won the battle or Jon should thank her or how he is not listening to her becuse she is female
I was one of the very first to call on how bullshit that was …I don’t have to defend myself to you because as you accuse just point me saying one negative thing about Jon even now I was speaking against the writers…I don’t get into who got worse treatment by them..
Just stop making my comments about something it is not ..
Geralt of Rivia,
Lol again
Thanks for making my point
Jon didnt want the throne or want to rule because he was raised as a Bastard of the north ..
All he ever wanted was to join the NW and raise higher as only a bastard can do
Bran as the second son wanted to be a knight
Arya wanted to be a warrior
Sansa as a lords daughter wanted to marry a prince
Tyrion just wanted his right to get casterly rock ..
Dany just wants her home back …in her case home happens to be westeros and KL where the throne belongs ..
If you are as just and a fan of dany you will know that its not about the throne for dany but to do the duty to take back her home ..and as for as the power goes she already has the power the world gets jealous of ..
And under constant threat of everyone trying to use her or her powers fpr their own
Only few Jonsnow stans makes it as something that makes him superior and feel proud at putting dany and cersei together over jon ..
Idont get mad about this because a intelligent and grounded fan of the series who is not biased will know that point is ridiculous in the first place since the characters birth and motivations are different..
Lol I wonder how you have proven me wrong when i am making the same argument..
Dany is born princess and she takes up the responsibility as a queen and wants to do good for her people ..
Jon is a bastard born who wants to be reach high in NW …
If no one wants to make jon better why the comparison exists in the first place because jon also wanted power except he wanted it in a place where a bastard can rise high the NW..
You said the showrunners show preference to dany while treating other characters badly and used the BoTB as an example for that ..
And you also said that the script made
It made her sound arrogant, pompous or self entitled but she’s the Queen.
I didnt know queen should be pompous arrogant self entitled …or you are saying dany is those things in the books
This one line is enough to prove my point that dany is not having any preference over other characters and in fact treated way worse than some characters ..
They have hardly written any good dialogue for dany …you yourself keep mocking about her titles …in the books the title titles only mentioned when she holds court ..
And dany is the only character who held the court that many times in the books ..
So it doesn’t matter how many times you say she is better treated and writers have a soft spot for her and prop her up and jon is treated badly ..
It will never be sold to the fair unbiased people who love the series and show ..
I have said what I wanted to say in this..i never wanted to begin this conversation and consider it a waste of time ..
So have a nice day ..
dragonbringer,
So basically no room for reaction. You wanted to say what you wanted to say and go. Fine still gonna adress it. They didn’t treat Dany nearly as bad as other characters and yes Tyrion was playing second fiddle whenever she was around as her advisor. I suppose from their point of view understandable given the dynamic.
1. Tyrion is is still a Lannister and thus not that trustworthy. Another point that line about Daenerys looking at him like a snake at a mouse is from last season? I believe she made him Hand of the Queen which is the highest honor she can gaive him acknowledging his capabilities or you want to ignore that too?
Btw it’s not in the script that way, how about full context.
2. You know that D&D put these details just for a fun, right? Or is the comment about Jon having a slightly better majestic hair then George Washington crossing the river Delaware that relevant too? Admiring Jon Snow’s looks is just a way of making fun of him and Kit for his beautiful locks and looks. They all joke about it so that’s this. Anyway what is important is what is one the screen.
The line about Jon being the greatest sworsman in the North … is to show how legends can exxagerated. We know he isn’t the best and how many times he was actually lucky, how many times damsel in distress? It that happened to Daenerys or anyone else, you would see cplaining about it but that’s what it is.
3. Are Starks ruthless? Did I ever said that this is the ONLY Targaryen way? No, so have that in mind. At that point Tyrion was a Lannister and in fact she had sense and be careful around him. Not like their first meeting was as pleasent than Tyrion and Jon. At that time their families were relatively friendly.
4. Nobody around here, You come here commenting how everybody treats Dany badly here and there. We know around here that these two are similar in this, we’ve read the books and you should be smarter enough to not listen to haters.
5. Because they did and read BotB script. They made Tyrion playing a supporting character, same way Jaime for Cersei. Maybe the season of the women was for a reason.
6. Just wanted to know where did you defended him. Congrats but when I see another contest between who is better in this or that between Daenerys or Jon … you alwaas stand on one side, you know which one. I’m just telling you what your comments are about and you don’t like it.
7. Daenerys on the show ants the throne for her power and to have it. Again thanks for avoiding my question about Dany and Jon the whole thing about kneeling process.
8. She sounded like self entitled, pompous because Queen can never be that? Jon was the same at one stage and not ven King or so. Then he grew up to be a better person, You think Sansa would not be the same? They’ve written a good dialogs but you tend to ignore it becaus your mind is only on how much badly they treat her. Did you se other people around here going on about it? I don’t so that should give an answer. Cheers.
LOVE the breakdown!