When the casting of Joe Naufahu was announced a month ago, Deadline confirmed the actor had a “multi-episode arc” on Game of Thrones but his character name remained a mystery. It was commonly speculated he would be playing a Dothraki khal.
We’ve done a little digging, and have discovered that according to his RedEleven agency CV, the actor will be playing the role of Khal Moro.
In the ASOIAF novels, Moro is a briefly mentioned khal who is allied to Drogo and attends the presenting of Daenerys to Drogo. It’s unclear at this point whether the character Naufahu is playing is a further developed version of that Moro (perhaps based on something from The Winds of Winter) or if Game of Thrones has borrowed the name for a Dothraki character of their own.
It’s also possible the show is just using Moro’s name for another book character like Jhaqo or Pono. They were Drogo’s riders who broke off to form their own khalasars after the khal could no longer ride, in the book A Game of Thrones.
Update: cut to a few hours later…and now Naufahu’s CV says he’s playing Khal Jhaqo. Strange that is said another ASOIAF character first, but anyway, Jhaqo makes more sense. Thanks, Greenjones, for letting us know it’s been updated!
More Dothraki news and light spoilers after the cut!
Dothraki filming in Belfast continues this week. Naufahu shared this photo of him with fellow new addition Diogo Sales:
Light spoilers!
Speaking of Dothraki filming, we’ve heard from a source that during Friday’s filming of a scene at Titanic Studios, one of the actors actually caught on fire!
The action-packed scene got a little more exciting when Andrei Claude caught on fire. Luckily, our source says he wasn’t hurt, since Game of Thrones’ fire team extinguished the flames right away.
Given the use of fire, it does sound more and more like this big scene being shot in Belfast is an extension of the one partly filmed in Almería last month. The interior scenes are being handled now in Northern Ireland, with the exterior location shots all done in Spain.
When it comes to the character names, however, it seems like this year, the more we learn them, the less we know!
Hodor!
Glad that Andrei Claude is fine.
Khal Moro is it. Interesting. I wonder what kind of role Staz Nair is going to play.
Was it fire or dragon fire?
man they really have this season under wraps, i’m glad that they saved the actor who caught fire.
I always thought that, since Joe Naufahu was the first Dothraki to be confirmed (I believe), he would play Khal Jhaqo.
Hell yeah! Burn them all, Drogon! 😀
Man bun on point!
Kargaryen,
“Burn them all,” Aerys said, “Burn them in their homes. Burn them in their beds.”
That’s what I was thinking! I don’t think wildfire would be an option, but as we don’t know what is happening, we also can’t really rule even that out!
I’m wondering if he’s playing a blood rider to Khal Moro or another Khal, since the leaked informations from Spain said there would be multiple tribes in VD.
Its gonna be so refreshing to see Dany back in her roots and out of Meereen
Am I the only one who’s struggling to care about the Dothraki stuff? Seems as though it’s retreading old ground. Dany should be making her way to Westeros not winning the Dothraki’s respect…again. In this way, I feel the show is following one of the flaws of the book.
Hope I’m proved wrong.
OT: Just saw a re-tweet from WotW pic of a clapperboard for a scene from season 6 episode 10. That’s awesome of course but on the bottom it said white walker unit? Is this a new production unit. I know they have 3-4 (wolf, dragon) but I can’t remember the others. Either way, things are moving right along and GoT doing well at keeping quite a bit under wraps.
TheTouchOfFrost,
Dany should be in Westeros already with a horde of dothraki if GRRM hadn’t decided to right 7 instead of 3 books. Meereen and all these stuff were invented just to fill the blank. She was meant to be with them since the beginning.
I shall name him Dothraki number 17.
Khal Moro in Almería.
Ok, bad pun only Spanish speakers will understand.
Khal Moro, I see! I wonder who will play Jhaqo, then.
SlayerNina,
Yeah, the name (“Moor”) will take Spanish-speaking viewers out of this fictional world. Maybe they’ll change the name; they did that with Gilly, to Eli, in the Spanish versions of the books and the show. “Gilly” sounds very much like “Gili” or “Gilí” (“silly”, “idiot”), and it’s reminiscent of “Gilipollas” (a harsher form, which could be translated as “stupid”, “arsehole” or “dickhead”).
Stories need parallels! Chances are very good that Daeny’s and Jon’s parallel struggles to unite people that would not ordinarily unite behind them are a big part of the Winter story.
GRRM needed the Daeny-Queen-of-Meereen stuffy to parallel the Jon-Lord-of-the-Night-Watch stuff. They basically go through the same internal struggles trying to balance pragmatism and idealism, and both get the same reward in the end. This is very different from the genuine “filler” stuff that we get in most of Crows and some of Dragons. In particular, the deposed Queen of Meereen and the deposed Lord of the Night Watch will be instrumental in the end: without what Daeny and Jon experience along those paths, their final choices almost certainly will not make much sense.
Luka Nieto,
Well, it’s a good thing that they changed the names of Khal Miq, Khal Qraut, Khal Lymy, Khal Qyke and Khal Spiq, too!
😀
Seriously, given how many short words different languages use as derogatory terms for other people (because bigots don’t like big words), that actually would get tough to do for all the translations!
They changed it because Gilly got her name from the gillyflower, which in Spanish is Alhelí.
Kargaryen,
I wouldn’t go that far as I think her time in Slaver’s Bay was theoretically good as it showed her that there is a big differene between being a conquerer and being a ruler and should have taught her that you can’t come in and force a culture on people ( as just as that culture appears to be to her and indeed us readers/viewers eyes) and expect it to go well!
Wimsey,
My issue isn’t with the parrallel, it’s with the execution. Slaver’s Bay was messy and we still haven’t got a clear finish to it yet. I also think the themes and events (although complicated as these situations are) they needed to be presented clearer and crisper. Still don’t see the need for Dothraki again. They were an interesting and important part of Dany’s story before but I don’t see what purpose they’ll serve going forward. I fully believe we will never see a Dothraki set foot in Westeros…with the possible exception of Dany’s bloodriders. If we do, then Dany will ahve learnt nothing from her (very long) time spent in Mereeen. Can’t imagine Westerosi welcoming pillaging , rapey barbarians from overseas with open arms. She would be giving the warring factions there the reason they need to put aside their differences to unite against her.
Tywin of the Hill,
That makes sense! Was the Gillyflower mentioned in the books, though? I thought it was only a show thing, with Aemon, a whole season after she was introduced. But I trust you. It makes sense. Gilly still sounds too much like Gili, though 😛
Hah! I’m also glaad GRRM changed the names of Varamyr Foureyes and Khal Redskin from the original outline. What an uproar that would have caused!
An actor caught fire in N.I.? Fire? I hope it’s a bit of Drogon appearance. The Dothraki knew Daenerys in her pre-Drogon days in Season 1, it’s only fitting the Dothraki and dragons should come together in Season 6. 🙂
And very interesting news about the “White Walker Unit” in Ep. 10. I wonder if the WWs will be marching into Westeros proper by then. Perhaps after the Great Northern Battle.
TheTouchOfFrost,
That’s the reason she did quite well with the dothraki in season 1/book 1 and that’s why I like her story with the dothraki. She learned about their culture and respected their traditions. Of course she was “just” a Khal’s wife at that point and sometimes didn’t have a choice, but still, you can see how she forced herself to learn their language, respect their traditions etc, something she didn’t do in Meereen for example, even if she tried, she couldn’t. Aside from the pillage/rape stuff I really like the dothraki.
I do hope that the keep Khal Qhonkee, though: his dance moves are supposed to be hilariously bad…..
Oh, I obviously will not disagree about the execution! By this many chapters, Daeny should be headed west, and Jon should be doing something analogous in the North. That stated, Daeny should not start heading back to Westeros until Jon is doing something analogous in the North. Both should be in the same book/season, and thus (at this point) in the next book.
Ah, that is sensible! Did they do that for other languages? (“Gillyflower” is not in any of my translation programs: it probably is pretty idiomatic in different languages.)
I think WotW have posted about Chuku Modu being cast – or not. There are so many guys playing dothraki warriors already I’ve lost count. Here’s a pic of him with Joe and Staz.
http://https://instagram.com/p/91Oq91kedy/
Hmm… Andrei Claude cought fire but wasn’t hurt… Does that make him fire-proof or fire-resistant? 😉
If a one can stop rape when she was just a pregnant wife of a Khal ..
Think what she can do when she becomes the Khaleesi of khals and unites them and controls dragons…and anyone says allowing rape then they must be reading another book..
For all the talk of dany getting bad rep killing his brother bringing savages all this years
Wonder how much bad rep in the eyes of westeros will jon is going to get deserring his nightswatch …leading savages the realm fought for thousands of years …I guess all the wildlings became civilised just like that …
Sou,
Hahahaha. I’ve just had a sort of PTSD flashback 😛
Kay,
It doesn’t mean White Walkers are involved per se…it is just the name of a filming unit they apparently have added (to go with I think Wolf and Dragon)
Kargaryen,
I like them but I don’t see why they need to be revisited? To go through the whole ‘Dany earning thier respect’ thing again could prove quite tedious.
Wimsey,
I worry that with Dany wandering back east again she’s going to be out of position. Jon is poised for his story to enter it’s end game: Dany looks nowhere near. If she comes into Westeros surely she’s going to have to have her relationships with any allies she has there ( Dorne , the North or whoever) fully explored. I’m starting to think that there isn’t going to be the time in her story to do it all justice with the rest of Westeros seemingly on the brink of the final act. At this point , I wouldn’t be entirely surprised if she doesn’t go to Westeros at all which would be a bit anti-climactic but is beginning to make more sense as other than her “birthright” what is there actually there for her? She has no allies, no one wants her back and she’d have to invade with a foreign army. Maybe the introduction of Aegon was a way in which GRRM partially sates the readers wait for a returning Targ as he has no plans on Dany ever going back there?
dragonbringer,
Have you not been paying attention during her exploits in Slaver’s Bay?! She should have learnt by now that you can’t change centruy old cultures just like that. She has to accept that taking the spoils of war is part of Dothraki identity. I don’t care how powerful a leader she is she will not change that especially not in that space of time. The fact that her trying to stop rape was the catalyst for fragmentation in the Khalisar and Drogo’s eventualy downfall should not be lost. Another case of Dany not understanding a culture and it working against her. She’ll only ever be able to truly rule/command Westerosi, her personal convictions are too different for anything other than alliances of convenience with most other cultures.
I don’t doubt it. Dany (and Varys/Tyrion) should be able to learn from Aegon’s exploits (and possible failure). When she learns of Jon (if ever), that will change the dynamic of her ambitions as well.
But I don’t believe the Dothraki will get anywhere near Westeros.
Wimsey,
They did, in the German version Gilly is named “Goldi” (or Goldy?). I had to google the flower, it seems to be “Goldlack” but I’ve never heard of it before.
Kargaryen,
Yeah we posted about him a while back.
TheTouchOfFrost,
Think about it in terms of the finale of GOT. Ultimately what matters is not the iron throne or who becomes king. The real matter at hand here is the battle of Dawn between humans and WW. The Dothraki may be savages but they are also one of the most powerful, if not THE most powerful, army humans could ever have. This Dothraki army may be the only thing aside from dragons that could stop the WW. Remember Jon’s speech to the wildling elders in Hardhome. Only when all humans are united and standing together can they have a shot at winning over the WW. Westeros is already ripped to shreds and the armies there have weakened tremendously after the war of the 5 kings. The wildings have dwindled in numbers thanks to Hardhome and their fight against Stannis.. The Dothraki are ruthless fighters with strong spirits that could be a big challenge for the WW. Thats why its so vital for the story that Dany gains control of them. We, and Dany, have already seen that even though her dragons are huge, they are still children and could be killed. If Dany were to use only her dragons against the WW then she would need to wait for atleast 100 years before they are fully grown and indestructible and we know by now thats not possible. Thats why she needs an army like the Dothraki.. of course at this point she has no clue about the WW but shes being set up by GRRM and the show writers to have them by the time Winter comes.
By the time WW come, the people of Westeros wont care whether the Dothraki are savages or not. All they will care about is survival and if their chance of survival only exists through Dany and her army then so be it. Fear of WW will unite all humans just like it united the wildings and then the wildings with the Nights Watch. Dont forget that the wildings are pretty much the North’s version of the Dothraki and yet that didnt stop Jon from bringing them in and it appears that it wont stop the North from accepting them and fighting with them against the Boltons
I do believe the dothraki will go to westeros with dany and that’s why they were reintroduced in the story otherwise I don’t see why GRRM would bring them back. They’ll have a vital part in dany’s arc when she conquers Westeros – That’s probably won’t be an issue since all forces there are tired of years of various wars. But that’ll happen just in time for the WW to come. I just don’t know how the dothraki will deal with winter.
TheTouchOfFrost,
“They (Dothraki) were an interesting and important part of Dany’s story before but I don’t see what purpose they’ll serve going forward.”
Pls. That’s the great thing about ASOIAF, that there aren’t always a greater-than-life purpose for everything. Just like in real life. Sometimes things just happens.
It was.
Jon III, A Clash of Kings
Hodor’s Bastard,
Fingers crossed but her story seems so far behind where everyone else is. I worry it’s going to be rushed both in the book and show.
Bareeq,
I can confidently say that the Dothraki don’t care about the WW. They are a Westeros problem. If they go over there then they want spoils and nothing more. That isn’t going to sit well with the Westerosi. I think having the Dothraki ride to the rescue at the wall destroys the relative realism of the story plus IMO would be pretty corny. The Dothraki are happy is Essos. The Westerosi are happy with them in Essos. If they were to deal with the rammifications of a whole culture from one continent coming into another then they’d need at least another two books!
Kargaryen,
Dothraki in Westeros makes the story a lot more complicated. They would not be accepted by the seven kingdoms one bit. They’re too alien and they’re values don’t fit with that of the Westerosi at all not to mention the language barrier. With the story meant to be coming to the end game this throws open a whole new load of plotlines and themes that need explaining. It would be a silly choice and not fit with the realism of the politics and cultures that GRRM has created thus far.
MRRG,
The reason the books/show are so good is that things happen for well set up and explained reasons. I don’t care how cool a character is having them shoehorned in because they’re liked destroys their credibility. Parts of the community prove this with LS. I thought Ned was a great character but if he re-emerged it would be ridiculous. They’ve played their part or have very little left to play. Don’t overexpose them when they have no purpose.
In all honesty , I expect them to sack Slaver’s Bay and then that’s their lot. They won’t be going to Westeros.
Bareeq,
The current Dothraki don’t bring anything to the table to help against the White Walkers. Their weapons are feeble even against armor, as that one bloodrider found out against Jorah; imagine how useless they’d be against wights and WWs. Even using them as cannon fodder would be problematic, as the WWs would just add them to their army after killing them. If the Dothraki could adapt their fighting techniques to a new threat, they might be useful, but all indications are that they are an extremely stubborn people.
Assuming the Battle for the Dawn is actually what this story is heading toward — and that’s not a sure thing, especially with GRRM writing this — the WWs will have to be defeated with magic and/or the help of the children of the forest.
Jhaqo does make more sense.
Casting compendium has been updated (TWICE!) http://bit.ly/1N0fv0m
But if we think the Dothraki really won’t cross the narrow sea maybe that’s why
This series of CV changes may herald the fact that other actors have been given false or misleading names for the characters they will be playing. I’m thinking specifically of the Tower of Joy actors.
I’m beyond excited for Dany’s story this year! I love the Dothraki!
Also I fully belive the Dothraki will get to Westeros.
Any news on who’s been cast as Lyanna?
Didn’t one of the Dothraki casting calls mention the possibility of the role being extendable for future seasons? If I didn’t imagine it, it means at least some of the Dothraki will crosss the Narrow Sea. What’s the point of spending half a season winning them over if she’s going to leave them behind a few episodes later? That makes no sense. It would be such a waste of precious storytelling time! Also there’s the fact that they have repeated as much as they possibly could that the Dothraki won’t dare to cross the Narrow Sea —only Drogo, khal of khals, came close; and of course, only Daenerys could manage it.
TheTouchOfFrost, however stupid you think this move is for Dany, strategically, isn’t there just too much setup for the Dothraki to just leave them behind a few episodes after she wins them back, in terms of the narrative?
Luka Nieto,
Yeah, I think it was the most recent Dothraki casting calls for a part that’d be shooting around now that specified something about the part extending into s7. Which really does spell out some important things for the Dany storyline going forward.
Bareeq,
You’re bit overestimating Dothraki’s power. They’re not ready to fight in harsh conditions like this.It’s unlike they ever seen and I’m not talking about Winter in Season 5. I mean Long Night where people freeze in their castles. Just like Old Nan said it to Bran. It would tough for them and Wights can be killed only by fire and nothing else. Dragons are they key, but she can’t just arrived there without an army. Dothraki are part of her and we can’t forget about them. Of course they need as men many as they can to win. Dany doesn’t know about this yet, but I can imagine that she will have support of others in Westeros besides Dothraki and Unsullied. Such as Dorne, Tyrells might be also willing to work with her.
The return of dothraki has been set up from first book ….
Even show has set them up their return in season 2 and season 3 ..
By controlling dothraki she is not only going to get an army but she will be stopping major part of the slave trade …if dothraki stops enslaving masters getting the slaves reduce in large numbers..
Apart from these …they have another version of the promised prince from asshai and story of ghost grass (snow)..and the prince leading them to the end of the world …
A version of the same prophecy like TPTWP and AAr …which will be a part of dany fulfilling three heads of the dragon…
http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/136800-a-dragon-did-wake-from-stone-and-her-name-is-daenerys-stormborn-and-she-has-three-heads/
And without dothraki she doesn’t have anything to pose a major threat to other Lords of westeros…
From all this its safe to say they will be playing a major role in the coming books…I really don’t know how anyone can say they will not be crossing by just saying that they are afraid to cross the sea…of course this is a story where hero will do the undoable…
And not to forget that early outline did say that dany will be uniting the dothraki and leading them to westeros…
So its always been the idea..and it has been set up numerous times in both books and show…
And we do not know what or how much they can be helpful in with WW …they are certainly better than wildlings with their skills in bows and arkhs..
Inorder to know that we must wait for the story to tell itself …not make a claim with certainty if something you don’t know
What about the dragons?
A Clash of Kings-Quarth-Quaithe:
“To reach the west, you must go east. To go forward you must go back, and to touch the light you must pass beneath the shadow.”
“To go forward you must go back”
Seems to me the Dothraki storyline does have a purpose, those of you that don’t think so haven’t been paying enough attention.
Tywin of the Hill,
That will be nice winning westeros with nothing but three medium sized dragons and no armies ..
I’m sorry, Qarth not Quarth, tried to edit but couldn’t get the comment to load. I’m new at this.
Kimberly,
I never thought I’d get to use this clip.
Kimberly,
Add to this ..
Dany swearing vengeance on khal jhaqo and pono in the books
And dany swearing vengence on whoever killed her bloodrider on the show…
Dosh khalleen kneeling to her in HOTU vision..
TSWMTW prophecy
And dany jorah conversation on the boat in season 3 episode 1 about dothraki following only strength ..if anyone can link that scene it will be helpful.
If that’s scene was not a foreshadowing then I don’t know what it is ..
Luka Nieto,
Lol, I tried to correct myself…
dragonbringer,
I just finished watching that episode yesterday
Kimberly,
I started watching the show at season four, then read the books, and watched season five, just finished rereading the books and now rewatching the series for the third time. This book series is definitely one you can reread several times and catch on to new things each time. I read the books because I loved the show, but I found I loved the books more. Now when I watch the show, I’m like wait…y’all forgot this part or not Yara, it’s Asha!!! Lol I am glad I got to see the show first, because when I read the books, it’s like an extension of the show, it’s so much more vivid, usually when I read I picture the scenes and people the way they are described as far as hair,height,clothes etc but when it comes to their face I’m just picturing a head with no features. Thanks to the show, I can use what I’ve seen on it when I’m reading, It’s so vivid that sometimes when I’m watching the show, I feel like my DVD is skipping cause I’m like I KNOW that part was in the show too, but it’s really not. It’s like the book is a movie playing in my head. If that makes any sense at all…
Kimberly,
This is how I was introduced to the books. I tried to read the book first back when the 1st season came out, but couldn’t get into it, so it sat on my shelf for a bit.
When I finally got around to watching the show and was hooked on it, I went back and read the books and they made so much more sense. I think it also eliminated any possible “hey, this isn’t in the book,” situations, too. Reading the books after watching the show is almost like receiving extra insight into a character’s mind, along with other extra details.
I’m different in that I like the show way more than the books, though. Some of the descriptions are tedious (I like to be able to visualize things on my own) and the amount of extra characters the books have gets boring. In the books, if I had already watched a character’s chapter in the show, I’m guilty of skipping the part in the book, because its painful to get through. Oddly enough, some of them are parts I enjoyed in the show. XD
Kimberly,
This is why Im excited to experience season 6 first.
I can enjoy the show for the splendor that it is…
and then I can read the book…. and it will be EVEN BETTER
I don’t know how many times I’ve used that phrase in a discussion as well. It can be used to support the arc of almost any character in ASoI&F.
Yes, Dany is physically and mentally “going back” to learn from the mistakes of her past and realign her ambitions…and most likely she will use the Dothraki to do so. They are her final stepping stone to her Targness and will (possibly violently) help her assert herself as an “air force” commander.
But prophecy be damned…she’s not going to follow the footsteps of predetermined images and phrases and not going to escort the well-tanned, barbaric horsemen of the apocalypse to Westeros, where indigenous folk will make every effort to destroy them. All prophesies are grotesque metaphors of events predicted to happen given past outcomes. Dany’s going to find her own unique way to make her mark, and hopefully use any predictable phrasings from warlock dreams and mysterious “spawn of shadows” to wipe her ass.
Perhaps if somehow Vaes Dothrak is destroyed and the Dothraki Sea becomes useless for these nomadic pack animals, she will encourage some Dothraki khalasars to support her endeavors. Perhaps they can be useful in matters around Slavers Bay, perhaps they can be used as trading partners, or perhaps she will direct the Dothraki to Pentos, where she first met them, in order to have them available for quick use if necessary. But to put them and their horses aboard ships at Meereen would be ridiculous. For those who noticed, only 50% of the ships made it from Westeros to Slavers Bay…and 50% more would probably perish on the way back. She needs a lower risk option….air force and alliances.
But even as I mention the “air force and alliance” option…I am thinking that is simply repeating what Aegon did 300 years before. Is that what GRRM has in mind? Or does she have a greater purpose than simply sitting the iron throne? AA never “sat the iron throne.”
I assert that many have been “paying attention” to this development and believe that the outcome will not be obvious, as prophesized.
Hodors Bastard,
Agreed.
Luka Nieto,
Wouldn’t say there’s been that much set up. She’s bumped into them in the middle of nowhere! We shall see but I think it would be a very strange choice of direction if they ended up in Westeros.
Geralt of Rivia,
Pretty certain neither the Tyrells nor Dorne would side with eachother (very long deep rivalry there plus the Tyrells are allied with the Lannisters whom the Martells hate) and the Tyrells certainly wouldn’t want to as they are currently in control of the Throne for all intents and purposes. Not sure either would be keen on siding with the Dothraki either. They’re very rapey/pillagey!
dragonbringer,
Erm at which point did you think the Dothraki would stop the slave trade?! They themselves enslave other people (remember the Lhazareen in book/series 1?). If Dany thinks she can change their culture then she has learnt nothing on her entire book journey.
I repeat the invading Westeros with Dothrakia would be a terrible idea on Dany’s part and again would show she’s learnt nothing from her time ruling. If you want reasons , take a look back at previous posts as don’t want to bore people again.
Dothrakia would be useless in the winter. They barely wear any clothes and rely on raiding for food and supplies. The majority of Westeros was ravaged during the War of the Five Kings and not recovered yet plus with winter here the crop isn’t oging to be that bountiful. As was mentioned in the show the Dothraki would have to siege castles as only idiots would meet them in the open. In winter with no shelter or supplies that is a terrible idea (see Stannis last season/book) for the Dothraki). Bear in mind they have adapted to fighting on horseback. Trying to feed men will be hard enough but horses too?! Their steeds will die and their fighting power will be devastated. Of course Wldings will be better against WW. They have experience fighting them and are far more adapted to the conditions.
I sense a lot of people’s love for the Dothraki is blinding them to some aspects of them. Ultimately they’re rapists,slavers and killers. They seem ot benefit from some sort of ‘noble savage’ vibe whereas they’re not looked on as harshly as other groups in the ASoIaF universe.
I pegged him as the young Ned stark I was way off. Going off that Instagram u would think his role would revolve around loras and olyvar. Looking forward to the dothraki they’re cool. Dany can die tho, her children can live
TheTouchOfFrost,
I have been paying attention to her exploits in slavers bay alright. ..and its not only dany should learn that things can’t be changed just like that and it takrs time but also some readers should learn that too that it takes time and the story is not yet finished …I know the arc is not finished and she is not just going to leave everything and say i am sorry for trying to change your culture you go back wuth your old ways to killing peoole enslave them making unsullied and kill babies and children and to the fighting pits where you can feed them to lions and bears and gone just like that. ..
I think I mentioned that they are huge part of slave trade themselves ….didn’t you notice it
And that’s why I said Dany controlling them will stop them …if she is going to be the TSWMTW thwn they will be listening to what she says. ..
And that its bad she is changing the culture is your opinion which neither dany or author seem to care . ..
and like I said everything you said about dothraki is your speculation ….they know about winter and other things. …
Westeros will be fully damaged after the next book …there will be nothing left make any damage …they will be carrying their own supplies easily ..
Seiging a castle becomes easy when you have dragons and other set of armies as well…no where in the book say they don’t know about winter ….and of course they are in the middle if nowhere so they dont wear shirts it will be ridiculous to have them wear anything on the summer…
See if the author wants them to work he will make them work …
The reason for whole riding to the end of the world may very well be that they die along with dany at the end of the world …we never know until happens ..
Change that dothraki part with wildlings I will agree…are you kidding me that this is about bias …if only the wildlings are treated like other savage cultures in westeros like ironborn and dothraki …but somehow they are treated like noble like you say why because they are with jon ..
You the one who has stated many times over the years how much you don’t like dany storylines and now in this thread not interested in dothraki speak about bias…
Did I say anywhere in my posts that they are so good …some of the facfions are going to be the antagonist to dany next season…and once she is taking control she is going to stop them from enslaving and raping ….unless you think she will be making a complete 180 turn ..
Its not at all about dothraki …its about dany and where the story is headed…your bias against dany blinds you with that dothrakj are always supposed to comeback and not just came out of no where …everything was set up nicely in both the books and show ..
Its waste of time arguing with you since you already know what will happen in the future of the story with 100℅ certainty… Let’s just wait and see who got it right or not …
… and will spend literally half the season with them before she reconects with any part of the Meereen crew. She hasn’t just “bumped into them”.
dragonbringer,
I think GRRM does care becuase twice he has shown how Dany has tried to enforce change on a culture ( on the Dothraki and the Slaver’s Bay cities) and twice it has been an unmitigated disaster! If she tries the same with the Dothraki again it will be the same and if she ever makes it to Westeros with an army of Dothraki the backlash from the populace there would make Mereen look like a minor disagreement!
You think that the supplies they bring from Essos are going to last them beyond the sea trip there (which as Hodor pointed out they’ll probably over half their ships in the journey…probably more as the Ironborn are the best sailors there is and they lost half their ships on the trup to Slaver’s Bay). Dany’s dragons aren’t big enough to do a Harrenhall. She needs to wait another decade if she wants that to happen. Attacking Westeros with Dothraki is a shit idea on a number of levels.
Why have you suddenly launched into a personal attack on me?! I find Dany’s stories are getting less and less interesting, yes. Repeating an old storyline of hers doesn’t exactly fill me with excitment either. She needs to get to Westeros to revitalise her stuttering story before more people lose interest.
I’m sorry but if you think they’ll change centuries of tradition and a way of life because one person says so you’re either really naive or the writing for this book/story has just abandoned reality. It would undermine everything that’s happened since books/season 2 in Dany’s education on ruling. This isn’t a fairytale fantasy, it’s based in a very human world and a whole culture doesn’t change it’s ways overnight because someone says so.
I’ve not said once what will happen, I’m just saying that it would make little sense if certain things did happen. Stop throwing your toys out of the pram because someone has a different opinion.
Luka Nieto,
Either way, you can’t really say it has been built up. There’s been nothing leading to it. She just up and flew off on a dragon and happened upon some Dothraki.
If people enjoy more Dothraki then more power to them but , personally, I don’t think there’s much more left to be explored with them or Dany’s relationship with them.
Well… you won’t get what you want, then. Because you’re wrong; it HAS been set up, since the very first book. This is not like a fringe idea of mine. Just look at all the major ASOIAF theorists. They all predict the Dothraki will come back in a major way, and that Dany will take control of them and it will be a major part of TWOW. Remember: Qarth, Slaver’s Bay… all of that was created afterwards. The original idea, which we’re obviously coming back to, is Dany leading the Dothraki to Westeros. You won’t even get what you want in the books; Martin has said the Dothraki will come back in a major way, and that a few Dothraki characters will be recurring.
Lmao at this post. you’re not wrong.
Gill or Gilly is dodgy in many places, whether with the hard or soft G. I used to work with a hyper-cheerful American teacher in an Eastern country who would loudly introduce herself to classes as ‘Gill Teacher’. They always sniggered, and I think she thought they were laughing cause she was American or cause they thought her hair colour was strange (not an unreasonable guess: my hair is a deep brown, very long, and the kids used to touch or rub it if they were able to. They didn’t ask, they’d just get a hold of my ponytail).
Now we come to the crunch. I actually speak the local language (she didn’t) and a ‘Jil’ in that language is a vagina.
Oops.
Yup. Culture isn’t sacred or permanent, sorry. Important, but not sacred. In real life, if people had taken this attitude that ‘cultural’ means excusable, let’s think about all that we would still have. Footbinding and child sex slavery in China. Suttee in India. The Atlantic slave trade in Western countries (enslaving black people); the Barbary slave trade in Middle Eastern countries (enslaving white people and black people); slavery in Korea, where other Koreans were kept as slaves, and people like butchers and leatherworkers were branded to show their job. Women not allowed to vote anywhere. Poor men not allowed to vote in most countries. Torture openly and blatantly used in far more places than it currently exists, and I mean people having joints dislocated and limbs crippled, not psychological torture. I’ve never really understood the simplistic attitude that ‘what Dany is doing is wrong because she has changed someone else’s culture by banning slavery’. It seems to be a view of some people who were teens during the Iraq invasion, but ASOIAF is a series that significantly predates Bush’s ascent to power and should not be read as an allegory of that time. What I got from the book was that she is caught in a situation where all choices turn out to be evil, and has to hope for the best. This seems like a fairly common one for a war commander, a conqueror (again, a normal thing in a medieval universe) and an absolute monarch.
As much as I respect the dedicated “major theorists” out there, I’m sticking with Touch of Frost regarding the “Dothraki in Westeros is horseshit” stance. I think it is rather fun to oppose the traditionalists on this matter for a variety of reasons (iterated above and in many other posts). Personally, I can’t stop laughing at the image of the Dothraki and their horses sharing kraken slop on ironborn ships, regurgitating their way past Valyria, losing 50% of the ships/men/horses in stormy seas, then the rest navigating through the Stepstones, where they will be slaughtered by Salladhor Saan’s pirates.
Regardless of the Dothraki fate, I believe Dany will become the leader she is meant to be via her second time with the brutal, rapey horsemen of the apocalypse. Her new airforce skills/respect will enable her to return to Westeros with more than callous violence and rule in mind, and may help save Westeros from an even more dire fate. Dothraki be damned; Dany’s fate is in the air!