Filming resumes at the Wall, and Game of Thrones adds to the Dothraki cast!

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Game of Thrones production is kicking back into gear at Magheramorne Quarry in Northern Ireland this week. The quarry is the longtime shooting location of Castle Black and the Wall. There was some activity there earlier this year, in the summer, but things have been quiet over the last couple months.

Filming has resumed at the location as of today, we’ve learned from a WotW reader who also was kind enough to submit some new photos!

The photos, provided by WotW reader John, were taken on Tuesday, October 20th. Preparations for filming were underway at the Castle Black/Wall set on that day, as you can see above. Game of Thrones is also building new sets at the location!

Set-in-Progress photos and new casting info below the cut!

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Some of these pieces look to be leftover from last year’s Hardhome set, but it’s not clear with shots this far away.
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Take a look and tell us what you think, readers!


Andrei ClaudeWe have a new cast addition to report today.

Maltese actor/model Andrei Claude is appearing in season 6, according to a new Instagram post. Yesterday, he commented, “So we just need to add those extra inches of hair and then I’m ready for my next role! #GameOfThrones” along with a photo of long hair extensions.

Given the long hair and his impressive musculature, it seems likely that Claude is playing a Dothraki, possibly one of the khals, like the one needed for that major scene in the works for November.

Thanks to the Malta Gossip for the tip on this casting!

 


We also have a new casting notice to share today for more season 6 characters.

The latest info is for a group of women referred to as ‘Warrior Widows,’ needed for what’s being called “a very special scene.” Given the title and the role description, most likely the women are the widows of Dothraki warriors.

According to the notice, Game of Thrones is looking for four women, aged early 20’s through late 40’s who are of mixed or middle eastern heritage, and have long dark hair and dark eyes. They’re searching for women with a strong, tough look for these parts.

It’s noted that these roles don’t have lines but are featured heavily in one very big important scene in season 6, and so they need to be good actors. The actresses are needed for a week’s work in Belfast.

The casting notice is new, so these are not characters for the location scenes that were shot in Navarre or Almería this fall. However they could be part of studio filming for connected Dothraki scenes.

We’ve received previous hints that the Dothraki will be part of at least one major setpiece filming in the first two weeks of November. Vaes Dothrak has been mentioned as a likely part of season 6 quite a bit this year, in Spain filming. Widows would certainly belong in Vaes Dothrak. Perhaps these are some of the women needed for interior shots of that temple scene filmed in Spain?

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    1. Oh…I need some more spoilers about who is filming there. I would love a Sophie Turner sighting at the Wall set. A Gwendoline Christie sighting at the Corbet set.

      Something.

      ETA: Was I supposed to say Hodor or something trendy?

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    2. Interesting that there was stuff done at The Wall’s set earlier this year, but they’re only just now returning to it.

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    3. The one pic of the newly built portion of the set kinda looks like a within-the-wall meat storage locker of some sorts???? Hmmm… wonder what could be stored in a meat locker if need be????

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    4. So much casting news this year. Is it an artefact of WOTW’s reach, showing us more news, or are they (GoT) going for some sort of record?

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    5. HotPinkLipstick:
      Oh…I need some more spoilers about who is filming there. I would love a Sophie Turner sighting at the Wall set.

      That would be great! Filming has only just started, so we may yet get something juicy. *crosses finger and toes*

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    6. Judibatt:
      The one pic of the newly built portion of the set kinda looks like a within-the-wall meat storage locker of some sorts???? Hmmm… wonder what could be stored in a meat locker if need be????

      Jon on ice,will he warg Ghost??

      :>)

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    7. They’re building a pretty big interior set at Magheramorne, aren’t they? Some sort of… palace room, maybe? Too early to tell.

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    8. Awesome news they r filming at the Wall again!!!! Soooo excited!!! And those r great pics too!!! I hope they film there for the last 2 mos.! And hope for a lot more pics! Great job to WOTW and their readers!

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    9. I always felt like Castle Black came across way too small, for supporting that many men (especially given that their numbers are down), on the show. It basically came across as no bigger than the aerial shot of the set.

      Was the idea that we suspend disbelief and imagine more buildings and courtyards off-camera, or is it really supposed to be only that big?

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    10. Off-Topic Otto: It basically came across as no bigger than the aerial shot of the set.

      Was the idea that we suspend disbelief and imagine more buildings and courtyards off-camera, or is it really supposed to be only that big?

      Actually it’s about twice the size in the show, compared to the real life set. We often see the other buildings and another courtyard, though it’s all CGI, of course. It’s the courtyard with the access to the tunnel, and the buildings surrounding it… which we never see at the ground level, with the actors, because it doesn’t exist. But it’s there in the background, in aerial shots and that kind of thing. The castle’s still way too small, but oh well…

      The CGI half of the Castle has been there since season one. Here, take a look.

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    11. to me long hair normally speaks dotraki but given the timing could also mean Wildling. And as for the warrior widows: it could certainly means Dosh Khaleen but also Wildlings.

      On another subject that I don’t know how to read: instagram user msbcms, who works in one of the units (wolf unit I think) said her goodbye as if her unit has finished the work for this season. Is not a major thing but I wanted to share it.

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    12. Off-Topic Otto:
      I always felt like Castle Black came across way too small, for supporting that many men (especially given that their numbers are down), on the show. It basically came across as no bigger than the aerial shot of the set.

      Was the idea that we suspend disbelief and imagine more buildings and courtyards off-camera, or is it really supposed to be only that big?

      Yeah some of the towers and battlements in the books have not been there.

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    13. Carice van Houten has been Tweeting about being in Westeros & Tweeted out a screenshot of her alarms yesterday as if she had to be up for filming today.

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    14. Is Daenerys going around to all the khalasars and recruiting them for her army or something? There’s been a lot of Dothraki news as of late…

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    15. Newbietothegame,

      He’s in great shape, but physique that ripped and big is usually achieved with the help of chemicals, but hey, he’s getting to be in GoT so it looks to be working for him and all the other ‘Dothraki warriors’.

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    16. Magheramorne Quarry looks like the best location to stage Castle Black. I can see the new staged area being the secret location of where the resurrection is performed. Does it have to be a frozen meat locker?

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    17. Sue, I know I know and that info is wonderful, I am just dying to know if Brienne is at Riverrun before the siege, after the siege, etc.

      The book cliffhanger of Jaime and Brienne running off to parts unknown and being gone for weeks with no word is killing me.
      (Unlike Jon being dead because of course he comes back.)

      If Brienne is there before the siege, it makes things so much more interesting.

      I am just spoiler greedy, but don’t think for a moment I am unappreciative of what you have given us. It’s fantastic and I hope all is well.

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    18. HotPinkLipstick: I would love a Sophie Turner sighting at the Wall set.

      I would be surprised to see her there. I would bet that part of what will let Sansa escape is that once Ramsay figures out that she’s not hiding somewhere in Winterfell, he will recall that he told Sansa about Jon being Lord Commander, and then assume that she’s heading there. If Sansa gets led by (say) voices in the trees to go elsewhere, then Ramsay is going to go of in a wrong direction.

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    19. Can’t wait for Dany to clean house with a Dothraki army behind her!
      Its gonna be season 3 all over again but better hopefully!

      This + Jon + Tyrell spoilers + Riverlands = me dying of excitement and will probably be dead b4 season 6 airs tbh

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    20. John M. Snow:
      Magheramorne Quarry looks like the best location to stage Castle Black.I can see the new staged area being the secret location of where the resurrection is performed.Does it have to be a frozen meat locker?

      Not to get all “book nerdy” on anyone, but (don’t read if you want to be surprised in the show or books):
      Possible Spoiler

      In the book, Dance with Dragons, there is a ton of foreshadowing where Jon is inspecting the meat/food storage cellars, also where some prisoners are being held, also where “tons of snow” is covering them, and also where , when Jon opens a cellar door, he sees his reflection in the ice of the wall itself. So this is a very possible location to keep Jon to preserve his body if needed, depending on his actual state. SO yeah, it is a meat locker. Sorry.

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    21. Wimsey: I would be surprised to see her there.I would bet that part of what will let Sansa escape is that once Ramsay figures out that she’s not hiding somewhere in Winterfell, he will recall that he told Sansa about Jon being Lord Commander, and then assume that she’s heading there.If Sansa gets led by (say) voices in the trees to go elsewhere, then Ramsay is going to go of in a wrong direction.

      Now that’s an idea. D&D did say that we are skipping much of Bran’s Jedi training. I have always thought they were going to park Sansa by having her hookup with Rickon at Last Hearth. You get an emotional Stark reunion scene there.

      I’m just thinking what would be an amazing spoilery photo which would send the internet into spirals of speculation and gnashing of teeth like the shot we had last year of Tyrion and Dany.

      Sansa at the Wall would do it for me. Or Melisandre at Riverrun. Dany anywhere other than an Essos set… 🙂

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    22. Oh gosh I hope there’s not a meatlocker….

      Isn’t Jon enough of a Christ figure on the show, with Resurrection and long curly dark hair??? For the love of Jesus, pun intended he was stabbed on the show in front of a cross… not a Resurrection from a tomb…

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    23. Lol, Dany is getting herself a harem, isn’t she? Daario will be so jealous…. (and I, personally, hope that the show will be generous enough with said ‘physique’ to make up for at least one or two seasons of female nudity! Men-lovers deserve something, too!)

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    24. I’ve been lurking the comments for a long time, just want to say that it’s been fun reading the speculation and comments on the spoilers. I’ve enjoyed seeing all the hard Wark that goes into each season. This season is looking amazing, everyone is working so hard, I wonder if winning the emmy gave the cast and crew more motivation. Anyway I look forward to chatting with you all in the coming months until season 6 hits.

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    25. Wimsey,

      Where else would she go? People commonly suggest Last Hearth, but the Smalljon, the only Umber we know of in the show, is only in two episodes (one of those, one imagines, being episode 9). It makes far more sense for her to go to the Wall, since the show made a point of telling her about Jon’s promotion.

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    26. Blanche Holstein,

      That’s good, because I love both the show and the books 🙂
      Can’t wait for more spoilers to come from the wall, this should be very interesting. They already filmed the funeral scene I believe, so I’m very interested in what’s up next for the wall. I would be very surprised if sansa turns up, or maybe wildlings like tormund. All the focus should be at the wall, season 5 left things off in a cliffhanger. So I won’t be surprised if more photos come up.

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    27. HotPinkLipstick:
      I’m just thinking what would be an amazing spoilery photo which would send the internet into spirals of speculation and gnashing of teeth like the shot we had last year of Tyrion and Dany.

      Can’t you just imagine the paroxysms the internet would (will) go into if (when) an “official” spoiler photo of Kit actually filming ON the Castle Black set hits? Holy shit, that might just be the photo that would technically “break” the internet. 😉

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    28. So here’s a question.. osha knows bran was going to see 3 eyed raven and seemed to know if stories of it.. So when she comes back into the story will she tell other people that’s where he went

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    29. Wimsey: I would be surprised to see her there.I would bet that part of what will let Sansa escape is that once Ramsay figures out that she’s not hiding somewhere in Winterfell, he will recall that he told Sansa about Jon being Lord Commander, and then assume that she’s heading there.If Sansa gets led by (say) voices in the trees to go elsewhere, then Ramsay is going to go of in a wrong direction.

      What, are you saying that the voices lead her into protection by a pack of wolves?

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    30. I’m actually expecting at least one pic of Jon from the wall, unless all his filming is inside. Maybe he shot his outside scenes already ? I guess from the last time they filmed at the wall.

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    31. Off-Topic Otto,

      Off-Topic Otto:
      I always felt like Castle Black came across way too small, for supporting that many men (especially given that their numbers are down), on the show. It basically came across as no bigger than the aerial shot of the set.

      Was the idea that we suspend disbelief and imagine more buildings and courtyards off-camera, or is it really supposed to be only that big?

      I have to say I disagree. Military quarters are cramped and confined. This for instance is a hundred man company tent, with mess space and room for amenities:

      http://sell.pakuya.com/upload/20120108/100_man_single_sheet_tent_army_tents.jpg

      With that as a guideline it’s easy to imagine the Castle Black of the TV show supporting 2 or 3 times as much. More than enough for the current anemic state of the Night’s Watch.

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    32. Mihnea,

      No problem! I keep it up to date, generally within 12-24 hours of news coming out, sometimes sooner if I’m obsessively tracking WotW while I’m at work 😉

      I might get fancy this evening and add pictures with each posting if the kiddo goes to sleep on time.

      PS: I’m cracking up at all you “Anonymous Narwhals” and “Anonymous Nyan Cats” viewing the doc. Glad you find it useful! It’s also stickied in the forum area (thanks mods!)

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    33. J Lee,

      Yeah, but Castle Black is not a shelter half or a shebang, either. In the books, Martin says how many men it, the Shadow Tower, et al. are supposed to house, but can’t remember ballpark figures off the top of my head. It does come across as too small on the show compared to how I imagine it in my head as I read. Remember, they are seriously low on people, so everyone would basically have room to spread out a bit. But in the show, they still tend to film people squeezed in; the scenes in the dining hall/common room are a perfect example.

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    34. Since they already put a WW prop in Spain just for fun, it’d be amusing if someone put up something completely unrelated at Castle Black. Have a SOH just meandering about…. 😛

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    35. God. So many cast. So many character coming back , so many new characters. So many plots for season 6.

      I m waiting the notice ” every episode in got season 6 will have at least 1 hour”

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    36. Aguero:
      God. So many cast. So many character coming back , so many new characters. So many plots for season 6.

      I m waiting the notice ” every episode in got season 6 will have at least 1 hour

      Fucking better.

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    37. Matthew The Dragon Knight:
      I’m actually expecting at least one pic of Jon from the wall, unless all his filming is inside. Maybe he shot his outside scenes already ? I guess from the last time they filmed at the wall.

      He only had to film laying on a pile of wood before being burned.

      Those “spy” photos, that was not Jon. Wonder why they are from the back?

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    38. They could still be filming the Dothraki in interiors in Belfast. It’s the location filming in Spain that has ended.

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    39. Interesting. So another filming at the Magheramorne Quarry. They shoot some scenes in July/August and now this.

      I believe that resurrection/rebirth/revival whatever you wanna call it will happen in ep.2, 3 or 4 at least. Season premiere would spoil it for many fans and that’s not what they want. Ep.5 or 6 might too late. Jon would have to deal with Night’s Watch situation unless they manage to smuggle him out of Castle Black and leave Night’s Watch to White Walkers. I would even prefer this one, because they managed to ignore and it would be ironic that they will kill them all. Davos is conviniently best smuggler around. Ep.9 is that battle against Boltons and they will need to travel for at least one episode to get near Winterfell, unless Ramsay move against him and battle is closer to the Wall. But his Northerner or almost Starkish armour/clothes was probably acquired at Last Hearth or another friendly place to Starks. They probably don’t have this kind of armour at the Wall.

      Since Carice, Liam and Kit are in town. Makes sense that they will be there rather than anything to do with Sansa. GOT shoots scenes not in chronological order. As for frumours about big female death scene. Foreshadowing for Mel walking on the battlements of Wintefell and meeting with Arya. What is she bites it earlier?

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    40. Really need help from Irish Watchers. I will be in Belfast week after next and wondered if anyone could point me to star sighting locations? Would appreciate it!

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    41. Off-Topic Otto:
      I always felt like Castle Black came across way too small, for supporting that many men (especially given that their numbers are down), on the show. It basically came across as no bigger than the aerial shot of the set.

      Was the idea that we suspend disbelief and imagine more buildings and courtyards off-camera, or is it really supposed to be only that big?

      To be fair to Castle Black and it’s size, I think it was traditionally the major conduit between both sides of the Wall (the tunnel) as it is along the Kings Road

      The major Sprawling Fortress of the Night’s Watch and its seat was always the Night Fort which became too big to manage

      So I’ve never been too critical of its size. besides places like its Library etc are generally in underground catacombs

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    42. As for the filming

      Interesting they had some earlier filming with “smoke” and now there are totally new scenes

      Could be they want to show the onset of early winter/late Autumn so need the October/November NI weather

      Alternatively, the earlier scenes could have dealt with Jons resurrection etc

      Now they could be dealing with the scenes involving Thorne, Olly and the rest of the Watch and what happens with them, which is now perhaps distinct from a resurrected Jons storyline given he is focused around northern politics now

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    43. Ghost’s Lunch,

      Yeah, it was an honest question. It just feels to me, when watching the series, that there is a discrepancy between the impression that exterior and courtyard shots suggest, and what the interiors suggest (more rooms, and with natural lighting I think). Especially with 100 people living full time and the enormous stores of food to feed those men for years and support Stannis’ troops, etc.

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    44. Ghost’s Lunch,

      Yeah, I would expect there are post-Jon scenes at Winterfell, leading to Wall-go-bye-bye. But since there won’t be any main characters, just dead men walking, such a thing would have to be brief indeed.

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    45. Sean C.:
      Wimsey,

      Where else would she go?People commonly suggest Last Hearth, but the Smalljon, the only Umber we know of in the show, is only in two episodes (one of those, one imagines, being episode 9).It makes far more sense for her to go to the Wall, since the show made a point of telling her about Jon’s promotion.

      Not really, if :
      1. Sansa is to show she’s learned things as far as out foxing people, she needs to give a misdirection of going to the wall and actually head some where else.

      2. she needs to keep the info of Bran and Rickon away from Littlefinger.

      3. She needs to start planning Littlefinger’s demise.

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    46. Pigeon: Have a SOH just meandering about

      🙂 That would be quite the unexpected diversion!

      When filming is done for S6 at Magheramorne Quarry, they should stage a Pink Floyd reunion concert there as part of the wrap party. It would be oddly fun to hear and see the cast and fans yelling “Tear down the wall!” at Castle Black.

      …And when they’ve given you their all
      Some stagger and fall, after all it’s not easy
      Banging your heart against some mad bugger’s wall.

      (Brandon the Builder is stirring anxiously in his grave)

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    47. I’m feeling uneasy if Sansa is in RR though.
      I wonder if they are doing Brans dream sequence or Sophie’s being used for:

      LSH

      :>(

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    48. Mihnea,

      I hope so… because the only women that seems useless for the future (uncomplete plot yet) is Missandei, maybe Maergery… I want to see more Sansa’s development, she needs a climax… also I don’t see any good reason to Melisandre dying too soon.

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    49. Shane snow,

      I would guess she would tell people where Bran was headed. It’s not as though she has a specific location to give them, but I think she would tell them he was seeking the 3-eyed raven and what she knows about the 3-eyed raven.

      Pigeon,

      I like that idea! 🙂
      I think just a SotH mask lying somewhere random would be perfect.

      Hodor’s Bastard,

      You have no idea how often “Outside the Wall” goes through my head when people are discussing anything about the wall!

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    50. Hodor’s Bastard: That would be quite the unexpected diversion!

      When filming is done for S6 at Magheramorne Quarry, they should stage a Pink Floyd reunion concert there as part of the wrap party. It would be oddly fun to hear and see the cast and fans yelling “Tear down the wall!” at Castle Black.

      …And when they’ve given you their all
      Some stagger and fall, after all it’s not easy
      Banging your heart against some mad bugger’s wall.

      (Brandon the Builder is stirring anxiously in his grave)

      Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      Pigeon,

      I like that idea!
      I think just a SotH mask lying somewhere random would be perfect.

      Hodor’s Bastard,

      You have no idea how often “Outside the Wall” goes through my head when people are discussing anything about the wall!

      I’m picturing that winter has finally arrived, and the few remaining Night’s Watchmen are sitting gloomily half frozen around a single fire:

      “Iiiiiiiiiiii’ve become…. (un)comfortably numb….”

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    51. Mihnea,

      It’s just a rumor BUT:

      are we seriously saying “Oh no someone dies!!!!” ?
      It’s Game of Thrones. Someone WILL die. Men, Women, and certainly more than one.
      We’ll have our fair share of Beutiful Deaths is season 6 like in every season. It’s simply how it works.

      If I have to wish it will be one of the Sand Snakes or Ellaria 😛

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    52. grailking,

      Why would she go anywhere other than the place where, as far as she knows, her brother is in charge? She has no other concrete allies (she knows nothing about how any of the other Northern houses would react to her showing up with the Boltons in pursuit). And, again, based on the casting we’ve gotten it seems like the Wall is her most logical destination — though there are really huge gaps in our knowledge around this story.

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    53. darksianna,

      I think people are tired of seeing Starks die, particularly in the season where they are supposed to be making a comeback(‘A Time For Wolves’). So when rumors come out that

      a Stark dies in the big battle, people’s minds race to Rickon and Sansa. I don’t know if I buy these type of rumors, which as far as I know, have only originated on reddit and have not been given any credence from a trusted individual.

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    54. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      To me the fact that they’ll have a comeback is reason enough to think that something bad will happen to at least one of them.
      Are we seriously expecting a family reunion where everything goes well and everybody hug each other? as much as I love the Stark it seems quite unlikely.
      Even more if you think that every time that someone does the honourable thing or seems to redeem himself….something bad happens to him or someone close to him.

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    55. darksianna: We’ll have our fair share of Beutiful Deaths is season 6 like in every season. It’s simply how it works.

      If I have to wish it will be one of the Sand Snakes or Ellaria

      Agreed that we will have our share of “Beautiful Deaths”. The cast have to be thinned a bit with all of these new castings.

      My deepest wish is that it’s Melissandre for an early one. For me, she is way past her sell-by date. 😀

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    56. Sean C.:
      grailking,

      Why would she go anywhere other than the place where, as far as she knows, her brother is in charge?She has no other concrete allies (she knows nothing about how any of the other Northern houses would react to her showing up with the Boltons in pursuit).And, again, based on the casting we’ve gotten it seems like the Wall is her most logical destination — though there are really huge gaps in our knowledge around this story.

      She can go there, but she needs to out think Ramsey; he knows she would go there since Jon’s family, what I’m stating is she has to send him in a different direction then the one she actually goes to; whether or not it’s the wall,RR,Vale or anywhere else.

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    57. grailking,

      I have no idea whether that will happen or not (it’s hard enough to figure how she even gets away at all), but I would think that escaping on its own would be a pretty impressive feat.

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    58. Yeah Sansa is 100% going to the wall, Sophie’s back the same wall as filming at the week starts? SmallJon and Karstark only appearing in 2 eps (likely the battle ones)? Sansa being told about Jon for a reason? Sansa’s only known safe area within reach is CB?

      There’s no chance in hell she isn’t going to CB.

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    59. Judibatt,

      Good freaking eyes dude, I thought that was a white tent! Oh please let Jon warg into Ghost while he’s literally “put on ice”, at least for a couple episodes anyway.

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    60. Nymeria Warrior Queen:

      Hodor’s Bastard,

      You have no idea how often “Outside the Wall” goes through my head when people are discussing anything about the wall!

      Pigeon:
      I’m picturing that winter has finally arrived, and the few remaining Night’s Watchmen are sitting gloomily half frozen around a single fire:

      “Iiiiiiiiiiii’ve become…. (un)comfortably numb….”

      I was talking to Wimsey a while back speculating that The Wall could be played in synch with the wall scenes/Jon’s storyline à la Dark Side of the Moon and Wizard of Oz. But maybe GRRM was just inspired by it! Let’s see:

      Prologue/S1/E1 scene 1: beyond the Wall with wights and the death of NWmen = In the Flesh? and On Thin Ice
      All of the Wall scenes = Another Brick in the Wall parts 1-3
      Jon has mummy issues = Mother
      Winter is Coming = Goodbye Blue Sky
      Jon + Ygritte = Young Lust
      Jon ditching Ygritte and her death = Don’t Leave Me Now
      Jon’s Death = Goodbye Cruel World

      Of course the rest of the story is pure speculation, but from Disc 2:

      Jon wargs into Ghost = Is There Anybody Out There and Nobody Home
      Jon’s resurrection = The Show Must Go On
      The NW freezing their asses off (thanks Pigeon) = Comfortably Numb
      Wight/WW attack = Run Like Hell
      The Wall comes down (credit: Nymeria Warrior Queen) = Outside the Wall

      I may have thought too much about this (I mean, look at my avie!). Okay it’s not perfect and a few songs are missing. But hey, what do we know, maybe there’ll be an S6/7 character called Vera!

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    61. Philip de Alexander: Good freaking eyes dude, I thought that was a white tent! Oh please let Jon warg into Ghost while he’s literally “put on ice”, at least for a couple episodes anyway.

      Having to follow a wolf around for a few episode would really not play out well on the TV.

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    62. iridium: The Wall

      Yes…great avatar. Mixing the two paradigms is cool. David Gilmour’s soaring guitar would fit well amidst the vistas and actions surrounding the wall. If only “tearing down the wall” had the same positive relevance within ASoI&F as it did at the end of that incredible album.

      (or maybe the wall coming down ain’t so bad after all…in both paradigms) 😉

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    63. Cersei’s Brain:
      Since Lady was killed, always thought Sansa was doomed.Totem animal and all that.

      Yup. And IIRC GRRM didn’t list Sansa as one of the characters who make it to the end. At least in the original pitch for the book, so I’m guessing doomed.

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    64. Lisa0527,

      Obviously we don’t know what happens, but that outline merely lists the five main characters that the story is meant to follow all the way through. It’s not even clear if Sansa was a POV at that stage in the story development, let alone a “main character”.

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    65. Bearded Onion,

      I’m 99% convinced that this is not the case. She will try to make it there, but it’s never that easy on GOT and she will end up elsewhere. In that weather, without horse and possibly injured. Ramsay might ends up threating Jon as some sort of replacement of Pink Letter.

      Philip de Alexander,

      That would be tedious for audience.

      Besides he needs to be more in south around ep. 6 or 7. To gather people against Boltons, prepare for battle and travels take time (one episode at least). His resurrection needs to happne earlier in the season.

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    66. Geralt of Rivia:

      I’m 99% convinced that this is not the case. She will try to make it there, but it’s never that easy on GOT and she will end up elsewhere. In that weather, without horse and possibly injured.

      Where (given what information we have about casting), and for what purpose? Getting to the Wall isn’t the endpoint of the story. It’s the launch point from where she can do other things. Sansa is meant to be learning to play politics; she’s not a warrior or adventurer; having her be stuck running around is inhibiting in terms of her being able to actually do stuff.

      Relatedly, the story has to get her and Theon in a position where Theon can go his own way back to the Iron Islands in short order.

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    67. Arya has tons more forshadowing for her death. Maybe both girls die before the end.

      Also using the outline is moot, it had Jaime becoming king and everyone was radically different.

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    68. Sean C.: where Theon can go his own way back to the Iron Islands

      Any thoughts on how a minimally dressed, minimally coherent, finger-&-toe-missing, dickless man makes his way several hundred kilometers southwest in the snow from WF to his homeland? I’m thinking he goes to Deepwood Motte, where Yara is waiting.

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    69. Hodor’s Bastard,

      No idea, honestly. But Yara wasn’t at Deepwood, last Theon knew; indeed, the Ironborn occupation hasn’t been mentioned at all post-Moat Cailin. Though the show looks set to tell us that Riverrun has been under siege since the end of season 3 and nobody ever mentioned it, so…?

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    70. Sean C.: Deepwood, last Theon knew

      The only reason why I brought it up is that the last coherent conversation that Theon had with his sister was at WF. She wanted him to come to Deepwood Motte with her….so I would assume that he thinks they still hold it, if he is indeed coherent Theon again. Plus, Yara (at Pyke) probably has heard that the Boltons now occupy WF, so she may actually be on hand to help…maybe… 🙂

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    71. I read an interesting theory over at the Ice and Fire forums a while back that suggests Mel acutally dies in the process of Jon’s ressurrection. She herself becomes the “bleeding star” when Azor Ahai arises. However, she did see herself walking the battelments of Winterfell in the show universe, so I am not sure if she is the supposed female character who dies. Who knows, maybe Arya wacks her 🙂

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    72. iridium: Jon has mummy issues = Mother

      Actually, I almost burst into that tune a couple of times last year when Cersei was helicoptering around Tommen. “Mother’s gonna check out all your girlfriends for you, Mother won’t let anyone dirty get through….”

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    73. Boudica: Having to follow a wolf around for a few episode would really not play out well on the TV.

      Also, neither the show nor the books have setup Jon having anything approaching the warg skills to do the “second life” thing. And it wouldn’t work, anyway, at least in the way that people are hoping: the second life for the warg is not having their mind inside of an animal, but just some undefined trace of themselves present. So, even if Jon did do it, he wouldn’t be watching the world through Ghost: Ghost would just have some vestige of Jon. The show even takes the pain to emphasize that a warg would do this if he/she was alive and stayed in the animal too long. (I think that the books did, too, but I don’t recall for certain.)

      It seems that being plugged into the Weirnet is the way to get around this limitation: but I don’t see Jon doing that!

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    74. grailking: She can go there, but she needs to out think Ramsey; he knows she would go there since Jon’s family, what I’m stating is she has to send him in a different direction then the one she actually goes to; whether or not it’s the wall,RR,Vale or anywhere else.

      If only she had a little brother who was a novice tree god! Wait, really? Cool: let’s see how far we can take this. OK, if only she had a little brother who was a novice tree god AND a big basket of lemon cakes!

      No? Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained: and novice tree god thing could be handy even without the lemon cakes.

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    75. Morna the Witch:
      I read an interesting theory over at the Ice and Fire forums a while back that suggests Mel acutally dies in the process of Jon’s ressurrection. She herself becomes the “bleeding star” when Azor Ahai arises. However, she did see herself walking the battelments of Winterfell in the show universe, so I am not sure if she is the supposed female character who dies. Who knows, maybe Arya wacks her

      I personally think she saw Sansa, I base this on how badly she reads the flames.

      She saw a red hair person therefor she thinks it’s her…I don’t think so.

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    76. Sean C.,

      I agree and she might even attend [spoilers]Jon’s resurrection. Sansa arrived at the walk with Reek/Theon, Jon is dead and on the funeral pyre, but hey it’s a blood magic ceremony she crashes and errr… Jon resurrects. [/spoilers] Let’s just hope that Sansa is not used as [spoilers]blood magic material. Whereas Theon could sacrifice himself. (I’ve never believed that Shireen’s death would serve as blood magic for Jon’s resurrection after the fact. It doesn’t make sense, too far fetched). [/spoilers]
      And as they never shoot in order, we can’t know if Theon [spoilers]makes it that far this season. He could be one of the POV that dies early this season, atoning for his sins, seeking forgiveness from the Starks. It would make sense for him to die for them. [/spoilers]The man is utterly broken and guilt ridden.

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    77. grailking,

      She saw herself and anyway her meeting with Arya is there. Since it’s not in the books they include that for a reason. Or is that Sansa again according to you?

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    78. Geralt of Rivia,

      Thing is, we haven’t seen a single picture so far of Sophie Turner anywhere near the Got sets not even one where she hangs out with her cast mates in the city. Or at the airport. Or with a fan not far from the set. Where is she ? What does it say ?

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    79. Hariette Tuttle,

      There was a photos from July/August from Belfast. She was on Winterfell set around July/August along Aiden Gillen which is confusing, because I can’t imagine what they’re shooting there together. She just escaped with Theon and Kit wasn’t there. You would assume since you know that photo that Starks will finally win something.

      She’s in Belfast right now (has been seen in Corbet around Riverrun set but not filming) and either shooting scenes with Alfie who’s there too or the Wall gang Kit, Carice and Liam who are there aswell. She said that she will have two months break in filming and she probably meant that from August and right not she’s shooting something. Actor that plays Yohan Royce is shooting later in the year and Vale is big part of Sansa’s arch.

      Add to that she shoot probably scenes earlier with LF who’s on he mach with Vale army.

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    80. Geralt of Rivia,

      Yeah, I don’t see anyone smuggling Jon out of Castle Black. Technically, it’s possible, but I think the show needs a scene where the NW speak the words “and now his watch is ended” to make it clear that Jon’s no longer bound to his vow. Classic example of show, don’t tell and the show has always made sure to get important points across, even at the cost of subtlety sometimes.

      Martin may be able to do it differently in the books, but in the show, I’m pretty sure Jon will get a “proper” burial, minus the staying dead part of course. I also think we’ll get to it right in the first episode. First, the NW usually burn their dead directly after battle, and since there’s no other clearing up to do, Jon should get top priority. And second, even more important: Jon’s resurrection would be one hell of a way to end the premiere, nothing else would say “GoT is back, motherfuckers!” quite like that.

      Sean C.: Where (given what information we have about casting), and for what purpose?Getting to the Wall isn’t the endpoint of the story.It’s the launch point from where she can do other things.Sansa is meant to be learning to play politics; she’s not a warrior or adventurer; having her be stuck running around is inhibiting in terms of her being able to actually do stuff.

      Relatedly, the story has to get her and Theon in a position where Theon can go his own way back to the Iron Islands in short order.

      I’m still thinking she’ll have to find her way to LF. That’s where she’ll be when her WoW story kicks off, so it’s likely that the show will have her in the same place. LF has to be close if his plan was to attack right after the battle (and why would he wait longer? Nothing to gain from that) and I’m sure he has some scouts there so he can know when the time has come. So Sansa and Theon jumping off the walls is likely to catch someone’s eye.

      The alternative would be Brienne picking them up, but she could still deliver her to LF (on Sansa’s request). It is the safest place imaginable for her, after all. The Wall obviously isn’t, because Ramsay expects her to go there. Maybe Sansa’s smart enough to realize this and the fact that the severely undermanned NW would stand no chance should Ramsay opt to take her back by force.

      Both options would also allow Theon to go back to the Iron Islands. Neither Brienne nor LF will care too much about his fate, at least not if Sansa’s asking them to let him go. Jon, on the other hand, may not be so forgiving. Hm, maybe Theon will convince Sansa to head south for that reason. He could easily use the above “Don’t go to the Wall, Ramsay will look for you there” argument for that.

      Morna the Witch:
      Who knows, maybe Arya wacks her

      She did tell Arya “we’ll meet again”, but I think Arya has no good reason to kill her. She was on her list, but already missing there last season. If she’s even still on the list, she could get back in Arya’s good graces by bringing back Jon. Plus, Davos could tell Arya that Gendry survived and is rowing happily ever after.
      Davos might kill her when he finds out the truth about Shireen, but that seems too obvious. Maybe Mel will turn out to be one of the good guys and die in battle against the WWs.

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    81. Conan Troutman,

      Smuggling him out of Castle Black is just another possibility. Given that Davos is well known smuggler. Likely it will be resurrection at the Wall. Mel’s magic is stronger there and she will be involved in a way. Doing his resurrection in premiere would be a bad idea. They should leave it to other episodes and keep surprise truly suprising. Since you mentioned that burial should be priority. Depends on if they count him as a traitor or LC that deserves proper funeral. They could put him to Ice Cells you know Ice preserves.

      It will be different in the book where I believe Jon warged into Ghost and live out huge part of the book there. Varamyr words about Ghost being worthy of second life for a King was possibly foreshadowing for things to come (whether wargining or him being King at some point in the story).

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    82. Off-Topic Otto,
      Ah yes, Nymeria…

      In the books Nymeria and her growing pack is mentioned several times. It would be great to see the pack protect Sansa and Theon. I was also thinking that one of the best ways for Ramsey to die…is if he is torn apart by some dire wolves! For example, Ghost, Shaggydog and Nymeria!

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    83. Conan Troutman:
      I’m still thinking she’ll have to find her way to LF. That’s where she’ll be when her WoW story kicks off, so it’s likely that the show will have her in the same place. LF has to be close if his plan was to attack right after the battle (and why would he wait longer? Nothing to gain from that) and I’m sure he has some scouts there so he can know when the time has come. So Sansa and Theon jumping off the walls is likely to catch someone’s eye.

      The alternative would be Brienne picking them up, but she could still deliver her to LF (on Sansa’s request). It is the safest place imaginable for her, after all. The Wall obviously isn’t, because Ramsay expects her to go there. Maybe Sansa’s smart enough to realize this and the fact that the severely undermanned NW would stand no chance should Ramsay opt to take her back by force.

      Both options would also allow Theon to go back to the Iron Islands. Neither Brienne nor LF will care too much about his fate, at least not if Sansa’s asking them to let him go. Jon, on the other hand, may not be so forgiving. Hm, maybe Theon will convince Sansa to head south for that reason. He could easily use the above “Don’t go to the Wall, Ramsay will look for you there” argument for that.

      Littlefinger would never let Theon, a prince of the Iron Islands, just wander away. He’s less valuable now than he would have been pre-Ramsay, but there are still uses to be made of him.

      We know very little about how Littlefinger fits into the Northern plot, but I don’t think he’s going to be showing up that quickly, let alone that his army is that close to Winterfell. He was merely planning to attack the winner after the battle; he never said he was going to do it literally right afterward.

      I do agree that Sansa will see Littlefinger again (the filming spoilers already suggest that), I think that will be something she does after going to Castle Black, when she hears about the Vale showing up in the North.

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    84. The actress who plays Yara, gave an interview and told she is going to NI on Wednesday.. (the previous one or this one… i don’t know), but i guess they will film some more Iron Islands.
      She also talked about the scripts and just said that

      Yeah, they’ve sort of… not run out of books really, but they’ve liaised with George RR Martin who writes the books, and gone off on their tangent, with his approval. So that’s why people are even more interested in spoilers. It’s funny isn’t it, there’s no other show like it.

      http://www.comedy.co.uk/live/circuit_training/gemma_whelan_interview/

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    85. Greenjones,

      I’m still quite curious about that mysterious big setpiece involving Dothraki in November. Could it be the Battle of Fire or, if they don’t go all out in the show, whatever trace of it that remains? Maybe Dany and the Dothraki arrive to save the day like Theoden and the Rohirrim?

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    86. Geralt of Rivia:
      grailking,

      She saw herself and anyway her meeting with Arya is there. Since it’s not in the books they include that for a reason. Or is that Sansa again according to you?

      Her meeting is somewhere or maybe never with Arya just because Mel says it doesn’t mean it’s true or will happen as she says.

      Mel saw Ned’s little girl also, but she was wrong, I’m saying she could be wrong here and she may have seen another ginger in this case Sansa.
      Mel’s been wrong much more then right in her visions.
      I did not say Sansa was an absolute, just Mel could be wrong going by her track record.
      Eventually she’ll get one just like Aemon said of the Starks : eventually
      Winter comes.

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    87. grailking: ???????

      People keep asking how Sansa possibly is going to get anywhere. Yet the show has hung a huge gun on the wall with Bran. Now that Bran is a junior Old God, he now can start influencing events. Voices in the trees (even if it’s just “Sansa… lemon cakes… Umbers…..”) now are a perfectly viable plot device for getting Sansa where she needs to be. We already have hints from the book that

      Bran will be influencing Theon in this way in Winter; now that Sansa seems to be taking over the lead in the plotline containing Theon, look to see that here.

      grailking: Mel saw Ned’s little girl also, but she was wrong

      She never saw Arya: she saw someone who fit Arya’s description. (She saw someone who fit the description of a huge There is a big difference. Mel does not see the flames incorrectly. But look at it this way: she gets less information about upcoming events than we have about the upcoming season: and yet, none of us really know what is going to happen next year. All in all, Mel actually does a damn good job of extrapolating from what information she gets.

      That stated, if she says that she saw herself in Winterfell, then I expect that she did see herself. She simply had the parsimonious answer: she was going there with Stannis’ army, so that is how she got there. Instead, she’s going to get there with Jon’s army. (All in all, Mel does a very good job of putting the simplest explanations available to her onto what she sees: and when she’s wrong, it is because of convolutions such as X wearing Y’s armor, a similar looking cousin, a different invasion, or a person about whom she knows nothing that actually who literally fits the description that Stannis fits figuratively.)

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    88. Luka Nieto: Could it be the Battle of Fire or, if they don’t go all out in the show, whatever trace of it that remains? Maybe Dany and the Dothraki arrive to save the day like Theoden and the Rohirrim?

      That is what I have long suspected. I don’t know if it will be to “save the day”: but it will be to finish it once and for all.

      I suspect that the show is going to alter things so that the Battle of Fire will counterpoint the Battle of the Bastards instead of the Battle of Ice. And that makes a lot of sense: the Battle of the Bastards and the Battle of Fire feature Protagonist A, Protagonist 1 and Protagonist III. The Battle of Ice has only 2nd/3rd-tier protagonists (Theon) and secondary characters (Stannis). Moreover, the story really is going to come from the parallels between what A, 1 & III do: and particularly A & 1.

      That written, I think that Sansa is going to play a role in this, too, and I would not be surprised if what Jaime does in the Riverlands is rewritten to parallel this. We shouldn’t be surprised if Arya does some parallel, too.

      I’m going to pull a real Melissandre here, but I’m really suspecting that the Winter story is going to have something to do with the moral compromises necessary to unite people who ordinarily would not follow you. We have only a few pieces of the puzzle: but what few we have fit this.

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    89. Wimsey,

      I think because Sansa is an empath from what I see in some of her actions and thoughts; she might be able to communicate with Bran, though I think she may need to be in the Gods Woods for at least the first time.

      There’s just too much hinting or camouflaging of her ability or arc.
      I hope no more Starks die.

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    90. grailking,

      I actually don’t think it’s Sansa. It is a possibility, since there is now a strong indication that Jon and Sans’s storylines might come together in a big way in the near future. However, I am not convinced that Sansa will die anytime soon. The question is when Jon’s embodiment of AA will happen (if he is AA): at the funeral on the pyre, days later, or in a more spiritual way later on on the battlefield, or at Winterfell, and who will be present / involved.

      Conan Troutman,

      I just realised I never quite finished my train of thought in that post. I agree that Arya might end up favouring Mel if she resurrected Jon, but might end up distrusting her if Mel has some kind of binding / manipulative hold over Jon because of resurrection magic. She could end up trying to break this by killing her, not just because of her love for Jon, but also for the larger political good. Mel might have her own motivations for resurrecting Jon, but other players like Davos and the Northern Lords might want Jon to take a different path or have other responsibilities, which might clash with what Mel wants with Jon.

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    91. Wimsey,

      I don’t think that Jon would do Theon and Rohirrim saves the day. Daeny with Dothraki yes, because it seems Tyrion and co will be in dire situation. It’s perfect set-up. Jon on the other will lead Stark coalition against Boltons and not coming to save the day like Daeny would do in my mind ala Theoden and Rohirrim.

      Protagonist A and 1 might get victory at the same time.

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