[Updated!] Ian McShane hints at his Game of Thrones Season Six role, reveals details

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Talking at BBC Breakfast, Ian McShane, who was cast in Season 6 last August, revealed some details about his role on Game of Thrones.

If you want to remain completely free of spoilers, then do not watch the video or read anything further, it goes without saying.

Shout out to our readey Wylie who alerted us to the clip. Always support the bottom!

Here is what McShane says: “My character really is like an ex-warrior who’s become a peacenik, so I have a group of peaceful … sort of a cult who … I bring back a much-loved character who everybody thinks is dead.”

We already knew about the second part; Ian McShane said in November: “I am responsible for bringing somebody back that you think you’re never going to see again. I’ll leave it at that.” He was also reportedly seen on set filming scenes with an outlaw band.

With his latest description of the role, we can now more firmly link McShane to the following casting call:

  • Priest, in his 40’s or 50’s. A gruff ex-soldier who found religion. Now a no-nonsense rural priest who ministers to the poor of the countryside. He’s salt-of-the-earth man who has weathered many battles.

As we have speculated, this would be the show counterpart of Septon Meribald, potentially combined with the Elder Brother of the Quiet Isle. We all know what character the books hint at still being alive connected to that storyline, and we had a Rory McCann sighting earlier. The pieces are all falling together nicely, don’t you think?

UPDATE:  In addition to his BBC Breakfast interview, Ian McShane appeared on Radio 5 Live today and pretty much straight up admitted who is coming back with his appearance.

The actor discusses his role, and says his character is nursing a much-loved character back to health. The hosts guess that “It could only be the Hound or Jon Snow!”

McShane plays coy initially saying, “I’ll leave you with that one.” But laughing with the hosts, McShane admits, “I think you might guess which one that is. It’s not the latter. It might be the former.”

Thanks to WotW reader Tkk for bringing this to our attention!

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    1. This is great news. Not surprising news, mind you, but I didn’t expect it to be confirmed until we actually saw McShane in the show.

      So we will have Meribald, played by McShane no less, and he will bring the Hound back to us!

      We really are getting a ton of new secondary and tertiary characters this season, aren’t we? Euron Greyjoy, Aeron (presumably), Septon Meribald, High Priestess Kinvara, the Three-eyed raven (technically not, but come on), Smalljon Umber, Harald Karstark, Wyman Manderly (or an equivalent), another Northern Lord (maybe a Celwyn), Randyll Tarly and the whole Tarly household (Dickon Tarly, Melessa Tarly, Talla Tarly), Izembaro and his acting troup (a Lady Stork-type and many others), a number of khals such as Jhaqo and Rhalko, as well as some bloodriders and other Dothraki such as Qhono and Ahko, the High Priestess of the Dosh khaleen and a Lazareen woman who is one of its younger members, a child of the forest, Bolton and Tyrell officers and generals, a captain of some tower, a Frey son, the so-called “Lachlan” and his group of outlaws, an Oldtown maester, and younger versions of Ned Stark, Arthur Dayne, Lyanna Stark, Benjen Stark and Howland Reed. And that’s just the ones we know about —a few must have slipped through the cracks.

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    2. Wow, great news! I am so interested in all the secondary characters being introduced this year…this is soon exciting.
      Thanks to Sue & Crew for all you do for us!

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    3. I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

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    4. I remember Meribald being a solo act in the books but it sounds like McShane will have a bunch of followers on the show.

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    5. I think he most likely is alluding to bringing back

      the Hound

      though I suppose there is a very, very slight outside chance to bringing back

      Lady Stoneheart.

      It does sound like his character could me a merger (and before anybody says anything I know other people have had the idea long before Sincerely Thine* – in fact it’s mentioned in the article above) * of SP and EB.

      (* British [well it could be American too for all I know] English slang. “Yours sincerely” is a way of signing off a letter – “thine” is an old-fashioned way of saying “your” or “yours” singular – so “Sincerely Thine” is a jokey slang way of saying “me”).

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    6. crimethink,

      I was waiting for this. You guys never give up in your hope, do you? 🙂

      A Man Grown,

      The common theory, based on the casting call description, is that McShane’s character will be a mix of Septon Meribald, who has the grizzled ex-warrior background, and the Elder Brother, the one who actually has followers.

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    7. crimethink,

      No, considering that (a) his description sounds like a Meribald/Elder Brother combination, and nothing like the people involved in the latter story and (b) the show already cast the people involved in the latter story.

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    8. Though I’d love to have the Bad Ass with a Heartitude a.k.a Childhood Complex Clegane back, I hope this puts an end to the hopes of getting Lady Stoneheart on the show. There is only so much resurrection you can explain without fans expecting every dead character to come back. It is not a soap opera!

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    9. Dragonmcmx:
      I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

      He probably hasn’t read the books and doesn’t realise how spoilery those vague remarks are to book readers…

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    10. Dragonmcmx,

      Don’t judge him too much. I don’t think McShane could realize how revealing his words are to those who have read the books. From the point of view of those who haven’t read them, he didn’t reveal much —he just teased.

      Belacel,

      No worries. I was just curious so I looked at the list available on the GoT wiki and and I was somehow surprised at how many new characters there are, even though I added many of them to that list myself.

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    11. Dragonmcmx,

      Well actually I missed the first part of this interview this morning and he (Mr McShane) was more hyping his cameo in the film “Dr Thorne” and talking about being friends with the former manager of Manchester United football team. I didn’t see the bit where he dropped the hint – but it won’t mean much to show-watchers only. Back when Season 3 was to be shown nobody thought that the disclosing of actors playing various parts at that year’s Comic-Con was a spoiler.

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    12. If anything his comments are a misdirection. Taken in the context of someone with no book knowledge, you’d think he’s talking about Jon Snow.

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    13. talvikorppi,

      In any event, who is he spoiling, since those comments wouldn’t mean much of anything to people who haven’t read the books, and those who have read the books (and read them or the theories around them sufficiently closely) would already know that?

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    14. Yaga,

      Or he has been asked to troll us all. Maybe bringing The Hound and Shae were brought to set just to mess with us as well.

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    15. Im in the camp that Im hoping

      the hound

      is coming back. Not that he was ever officially confirmed dead but you know in GoT anyone can be dead and come back. Paaaaaaaaalease let it be the

      hound

      .

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    16. Tyrion the Myrions:
      crimethink,

      No . And besides Catelyn was never a beloved character,sorry Catelyn fans !

      Really? I think Michelle was a much beloved character. I would venture to say she was very much liked by all for her excellent portrayal of Catelyn. IMHO…

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    17. Dragonmcmx:
      I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

      Come on, seriously? He just teased, not like he dropped some big-ass spoilers on our heads.

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    18. That’s probably the line they gave him that he’s allowed to say. If you’ll notice, he’s repeated it more than once, the bringing back a much-loved character. Each of the actors is given a brief description of what they can say and they repeat it over and over. So this isn’t something he’s letting slip, this is his line, well-delivered.

      Alert: I would so bang Ian McShane. I’ve had the hots for him for decades. Anyone watch Lovejoy? Kings? I’ve been wanting to be in a Rufus Sewell/Ian McShane sandwich since…forever.

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    19. Yaga:
      He’s saying ‘people think HE’s dead,’ isn’t he? So this precludes any female characters.

      He says “people think is dead” I believe so he doesn’t give away the gender.

      As said above though anyone who hasn’t read the book will think he’s talking about Jon Snow.

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    20. Transcript: “I bring back this cocksucker whom everyone thinks dead because I don’t want to be sucking hind teat on body disposal”

      Wu’s pigs FTW.

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    21. LadyCones:
      This is amazing!!!! I so hope this means we get CLEGANEBOWL! This gets me more hyped than a trailer.

      I’m hoping we get a Wylla Manderly speech on the wolves of Winterfell, to bookend Lyana Mormonts letter.

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    22. luca,

      He is dead. Official. Read the book ”The Noble Houses of Westeros Seasons 1-5”. It is written twice that he is dead. But the directors said that as well, just like with Jon. They didn’t lie. They are both dead, but Jon will be resurrected and Stannis not. And there was a BeautifulDeath picture for Stannis after S05E10. Jon didn’t got a picture, so it was obvious even then. Those pictures is only for the characters who never come back. Sandor didn’t got BD picture neither. 😉

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    23. Let my hubby watch the video. He is a GoT fan, but not to extend like we are. He thinks he is bringing Jon Snow back.
      There you have it.
      Only the rabid fans now the truth.

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    24. overeem,

      I’m confused – my memory isn’t that great. Who else, other than Beric and LSH, was resurrected in the books? Jon Snow’s status is still unknown there.

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    25. Yep. Don’t dump your mommy issues on everyone else. I’m a fan of Book and Show Catelyn, and so are a lot of other people.

      Ice Spider: Really? I think Michelle was a much beloved character. I would venture to say she was very much liked by all for her excellent portrayal of Catelyn. IMHO…

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    26. overeem: only beric and jon snow can die and come back

      Don’t forget your date with Karsi later tonight. She might bring some friends too.

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    27. Newbietothegame:
      Let my hubby watch the video. He is a GoT fan, but not to extend like we are. He thinks he is bringing Jon Snow back.
      There you have it.
      Only the rabid fans now the truth.

      Yes, I think you, and Conan and Making the 8 above, are right. We rabid fans tend to lose perspective now and again. 🙂

      I’m really hoping for a version of

      the Broken Men speech!

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    28. KG:
      Oh good. Not only the Hound, but also some strong Brienne storyline in there, too.This news pleases me.

      Yup. This is exciting news for Brienne as well. Personally, this is how I envision the storyline for Brienne this season:

      Brienne and Podrick find Sansa and Theon being persued by Bolton scouts, who Brienne handily kills. Brienne swears her oath to Sansa yet again, except this time she accepts. As Sansa learnt from Ramsay that her bastard brother is the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, she decides they must seek refuge with Jon at the Wall. After Theon leaves them for the Iron Islands with Yara, Sansa, Brienne and Pod find Jon Snow in command of his few remaining loyal men and cohabitating with the wildlings.

      Eventually, the siblings decide the Boltons must be taken out, and while that storyline begins a different one starts for Brienne: Once Sansa learns about Brienne’s relationship with Jaime, she decides to send the Lady of Tarth after the Kingslayer: she is to take him to Winterfell, which the Starks must have taken by the time Brienne returns north with Jaime (or died while trying). Brienne is reluctant, and tries to explain that Jaime is a different man now, that he made a vow to keep Catelyn’s daughters safe, yet Sansa coldly reminds Brienne she made oaths of her own, both to Catelyn and to Sansa.

      Brienne and Podrick learn that Jaime is laying siege to Riverrun. On the way there, they clash with a band of outlaws who have turned on the land they swore to protect; while they use their religion to justify their deeds, they are extorting the poor and vulnerable of the countryside. Brienne and Pod are saved by Meribald, a former warrior turned septon who guides them to safety to the sept of his pacifist sect. The grizzled priest lectures them on the nature of “broken men” —outlaws who may be dangerous but should be pitied. It is revealed that in the sept now lives an injured yet reformed Sandor Clegane. Though she is hostile at first, Brienne lets Sandor go free as she concludes he is a changed man, a broken man who has found his way back.

      Eventually, Brienne and Podrick reach Riverrun, much to Jaime’s surprise. Though the reunion is warm at first, it turns sour when Brienne tells Jaime about the half-truth that brings her to him: she has found Sansa, who was forcibly married into the Boltons and is in need of rescue. Jaime is unwilling to abandon the siege, despite Brienne’s reminder of his oath —which is put in evidence by Oathkeeper, the aptly-named sword he gave her to save the Stark girls. After Jaime tries to convince the Blackfish to give up, Brienne also reaches out to Brynden, informing him of Sansa’s true circumstances and of the resurgence of the Starks. This emboldens the Blackfish and he escapes in the night. With the siege apparently done, though under somewhat enigmatic circumstances, Jaime decides to honor his oath and travel north with Brienne and Pod. And away they all go —except for Bronn, who is only interested in gold and stays behind, after a bittersweet parting, his story presumably over for good.

      Brienne, Pod and Jaime arrive in Winterfell after the so-called Battle of the Bastards. Jaime expected to deal with the Boltons and is confused to find Sansa Stark in power. Though Brienne tries to explain she had to keep her oath to Sansa, Jaime feels betrayed—she finally understands what Jaime told her about the futility of keeping contradicting oaths. An equivalent to the forthcoming events with Lady Stoneheart in “The Winds of Winter” takes place here —whatever the outcome, at the very least Jaime survives, to fulfill his role as Cersei’s “valonqar”.

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    29. It’s not LSH. I don’t think Catelyn Stark could be described as a “much loved character.” I mean, yes, she was an interesting and complex character, but she never had the cult following that the Hound had/has. GET HYPE!

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    30. Did we get a curtain call for Rory? Looking forward to Mcshanes scenes and assuming they will involve Brienne and pod as well as Sandor. Hoping one of our favourite double acts become a trio!!!!

      Mind you I’m not so good at predictions I picked Howland Reed for McShane on the link above

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    31. Yaga:
      He’s saying ‘people think HE’s dead,’ isn’t he? So this precludes any female characters.

      Where did he say that? Here are the quotes from this video and what was said previously, so is there somewhere else he says, “he”?

      I bring back a much-loved character who everybody thinks is dead.

      I am responsible for bringing somebody back that you think you’re never going to see again. I’ll leave it at that.

      Granted, we are more likely to see fluffy Shetland unicorns and perhaps even Giant Penguins than we are to see LS. From those who have read the books, we know exactly whom he is bringing back.

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    32. Luka Nieto,

      We’ve debated the whole issue of Sansa wanting to get revenge on Jaime for whatever reason, so I don’t see a point in doing it again.

      However, on the speculation about the Hound, I tend to think that whatever appearance he makes in Season 5 will be more about setting up his role going forward (whatever that is). At least per AFFC, Brienne has no idea that he’s alive, which doesn’t suggest that it’s important that she know that.

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    33. This is great news! The Hound is Arya’s subconscious and her conscience come to life, and is one of my favourite characters. He’s got bad teeth and a whole lot of attitude – which is usually not a good sign; but, I think The Hound flies in the face of our preconceptions – and prejudices – about people.

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    34. So the speculation was correct and we’ll be treated to the “broken men” speech by McShane. Season 6 is already the best based on that alone.

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    35. Dragonmcmx:
      I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

      Oh please. The people who were 90% sure he’s

      Meribald

      are now 95% sure, meanwhile everyone else just got a big misdirect. And he’s really just repeating the same information that’s out there.

      Part of me was a little sad that he got such a small (albeit awesome) role when he could have crushed any number of other possibilities (I was—very wishfully—in the camp of an expanded Marwyn role). Until yesterday, that is. Mr. Wednesday can come and go as he pleases.

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    36. Ice Spider: Really? I think Michelle was a much beloved character. I would venture to say she was very much liked by all for her excellent portrayal of Catelyn. IMHO…

      I love Michelle. Catelyn was a bit of a bitch. LS was a full-on bitch.

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    37. I’m obviously stoked they included Meribald (a great minor character) and very indpressive he’s played by Mcshane. But it does make me wonder about the Damphair. Many details in the casting Call could also fit on Aeron, so did they strip those traits from him, so no drowned men following? No born-again aspect? I just hope Aeron Will be a way og fleshing out the drowned god religion. A lot of religions are getting more focus in s6: Faith of the seven, Many faced god, lord of light, the dothraki faith, maybe even some version of the graces in mereen. Really hope Aeron is in, and not a red heering like varamyr last season

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    38. I think Ian McShane is more so the Elder Brother, not so much Meribald. And I think Elder Brother is Jon Darry. His story matches up perfectly, and Darry is the only one of Aerys’ KG whose death is never specifically explained, which is a huge red flag.

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    39. CLEGANEBOWL CONFIRMED GET HYPE. WHAT IS HYPE MAY NEVER DIE.

      OMG, I’m glad I’m the only one at work right now, because I lost it.

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    40. Luka Nieto:
      This is great news. Not surprising news, mind you, but I didn’t expect it to be confirmed until we actually saw McShane in the show.

      We really are getting a ton of new secondary and tertiary characters this season, aren’t we? Euron Greyjoy, Aeron (presumably), Septon Meribald, High Priestess Kinvara, the Three-eyed raven (technically not, but come on), Smalljon Umber, Harald Karstark, Wyman Manderly (or an equivalent), another Northern Lord (maybe a Celwyn), Randyll Tarly and the whole Tarly household (Dickon Tarly, Melessa Tarly, Talla Tarly), Izembaro and his acting troup (a Lady Stork-type and many others), a number of khals such as Jhaqo and Rhalko, as well as some bloodriders and other Dothraki such as Qhono and Ahko, the High Priestess of the Dosh khaleen and a Lazareen woman who is one of its younger members, a child of the forest, Bolton and Tyrell officers and generals, a captain of some tower, a Frey son, the so-called “Lachlan” and his group of outlaws, an Oldtown maester, and younger versions of Ned Stark, Arthur Dayne, Lyanna Stark, Benjen Stark and Howland Reed. And that’s just the ones we know about —a few must have slipped through the cracks.

      Well said… Totally agree!

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    41. Sean C.: We’ve debated the whole issue of Sansa wanting to get revenge on Jaime for whatever reason, so I don’t see a point in doing it again.

      I don’t think it’s “revenge”, really. At least not in the emotional, red-hot sense of the world. You’re again conflating LSH’s motives with LSH’s purpose in the plot; and I’m not talking themes here, just the barebones plot —getting Brienne and Jaime together again and into a possibly mortal conflict. In my summary I do not conflate LSH’s motives with the character’s plot purpose —I believe Sansa will take the latter, but not the former.

      Sean C.: At least per AFFC, Brienne has no idea that he’s alive, which doesn’t suggest that it’s important that she know that.

      Not everything is about pure plot. In the speculative summary I wrote, Brienne learning about it “only” serves as a nice character moment, a nice realization of the complexities of human nature, that the world isn’t neatly divided in good and evil men. It could happen, it could not. I didn’t write it that way because I think Brienne knowing about Sandor will pay off somehow beyond the immediacy of the event; the immediate event as a nice character moment for Brienne and Sandor is more than enough.

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    42. Maceless Fan,

      The Elder Brother isn’t anybody. Having him be someone important totally cuts against the point of the character, as a representative of the common soldier.

      Luka Nieto,

      I don’t see why Sansa would suddenly demand to see Jaime Lannister either, in response to being told that he reformed and sent a knight with a Valyrian steel sword to help her. The two of them have never had anything to do with each other, and she’s got more pressing matters to deal with, too.

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    43. Luka Nieto,

      Very good Luca. If all that came to pass I would not be disappointed. Two things I’d like a bit different than you though, I want a Jamie/Brienne love story ( this could happen on the way to winterfell in your prediction) and also I’d like Bronn to go too. Then he sells his sword to Sansa (they must be on at least cordial terms) and is in the show till the end

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    44. Cersei's Brain:
      overeem,

      I’m confused – my memory isn’t that great. Who else, other than Beric and LSH, was resurrected in the books?Jon Snow’s status is still unknown there.

      When McShane says “bringing back,” I’m sure he doesn’t mean from the dead. He likely brings the Hound back from the brink of death, from what fans assumed to be death; back to the show. But this isn’t another resurrection.

      I would rate Jon’s chances of being resurrected at 99%, at least, which is almost part of the universe.

      As to exactly what overeem said, he’s blowing some smoke when he says that the Red God has only blessed those two. We know LSH, right? And there is nowhere in the show or book canon yet that limits these powers to any individuals.

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    45. Sean C.,

      I think you’re wrong and him being Jon Darry and not just some random soldier adds a lot more weight to his character. It gives him a lot more insight to what happened in the past and it gives his actions now a lot more meaning.

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    46. Sean C.: I don’t see why Sansa would suddenly demand to see Jaime Lannister either, in response to being told that he reformed and sent a knight with a Valyrian steel sword to help her. The two of them have never had anything to do with each other, and she’s got more pressing matters to deal with, too.

      You always say that. I don’t get it at all. Can you follow through with that logic, please? If I can get my hands on an important enemy general and figurehead (as Tywin’s eldest son and the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard), I will, whether there is a personal vendetta involved or not. And there is some of that too, as he is a Lannister, the family who killed her whole family and imprisoned her for years, even though Jaime didn’t do it personally. But revenge isn’t even needed: Jaime is an enemy general, and as I wrote it Sansa just learnt that he trusts one of her people, Brienne. Do you really believe she wouldn’t do anything with this information? Brienne would be much more needed as an agent that Jaime can trust than just another sword (by this point, Sansa would be gathering the Northern Lords). I think Sansa is too clever to ignore such an opportunity (to have Jaime turned, kidnapped or killed; whatever). Which is funny, because you’re always saying how the show ignores her cleverness and machinations and agency.

      Moles Town bastard: I want a Jamie/Brienne love story ( this could happen on the way to winterfell in your prediction) and also I’d like Bronn to go too. Then he sells his sword to Sansa (they must be on at least cordial terms) and is in the show till the end

      I want both of those things too. I’m a hardcore Brienne/Jaime shipper. But I don’t know if it will happen… though I do wish. As for Bronn, I think it’d be fun to still have him around… I just don’t think he would travel with Brienne and Jaime on such an uncertain mission.

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    47. Maceless Fan,

      One of the recurring themes in AFFC is the increased presence of people outside the aristocracy pushing back at the people and system that have devastated the continent. All three of the notable priest characters we see are representative of this, approaching the situation in different ways and from different viewpoints. Much like the theories about the High Sparrow being Howland Reed or whatever else, it undercuts the thematic points being made for him to be somebody ‘important’ in disguise.

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    48. lyanna_Targaryen:
      Hoooooooooo boy I cannot WAIT for that monologue. McShane is a god.

      You know how it’s a whole thing in musicals to have the one older role that gets filled by a super famous veteran actor? The role mostly dodders obliviously between the younger cast’s choreography, sprinkling one-liners, but then gets a single song that brings the house to tears and reminds everyone that old actors can act on a whole other level because they’ve actually lived through the full human experience.

      This is how I see McShane

      delivering the broken men speech.

      Like, if you were to watch a compilation reel of every name to ever grace the title sequence, Ian McShane would still get the very last “AND…” billing.

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    49. Andrea,

      True, but every showrunner of every show ever made tends to serve the average fan rather than the die-hards, as they outnumber us by 5000:1.

      That being said, I loved Catelyn as well. I’m not picking any favorites in this battle.

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    50. Moles Town bastard,

      I’m used to it, don’t worry 🙂 I agree Bronn is in it for the money. I just don’t imagine Brienne will offer up any, or Jaime, at least for that particular mission. I would be very happy to be wrong, though!

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    51. Sean C.,

      Jon Darry was never part of any aristocracy, he only served one. And that wouldn’t negate any of the themes in AFFC. It would actually make perfect sense for Darry to go this route considering what happened. We already know that his father was a night, and his grandfather was a night. We know that the Elder Brother fought on the Trident for House Targaryen. We know that Dayne, Whent, and Hightower died at the TOJ, and Llewyn Martell got cut down by Lyn Corbray. How did Darry die? You don’t think that it’s strange that GRRM, A huuuge stickler for every little detail, would solely omit how Darry died? No, he would never leave a detail like that out without good reason. And this series in general isn’t just about the smallfolk and life through their eyes, but the people who serve those in power (Davos, Hotah, Brienne, Arys Oakheart, The Hound, etc.)

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    52. Maceless Fan: Jon Darry was never part of any aristocracy, he only served one.

      Come on. He was a nobleman, a knight and a member of a royal guard. He served men higher in the social order, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t part of the aristocracy. By that logic, only the king is a nobleman.

      And I agree with Sean C., not everyone is someone else in disguise; especially not characters such as the Elder Brother and the High Sparrow, considering the whole point of them is to show the rise of the common people. It would be quite cheap (and thematically contradictory) to reveal that these religious uprisings of the smallfolk are in fact orchestrated by noblemen.

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    53. These raises many questions though. I never thought Cleganebowl was gonna happen in the books, but in the show it’s definitely gonna happen or they wouldn’t waste time reintroducing the Hound.

      So, is Cleganebow going to happen in the books or is one of the changes they are introducing in the show to make it more “cinematic”? Personally, I always thought that the Hound staying as a religious monk was an adequate end to his ark, having finally left violence behind.

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    54. This makes me very happy! Was so hoping that he was Septon Meribald and helped my favorite hound!

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    55. Moles town bastard: Did we get a curtain call for Rory?

      Rory McCann did receive a Curtain Call, back on the old website. As I recall, however, Axey added a humorous angle to his tribute by vehemently denying throughout the piece that Sandor was actually dead. 😉

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    56. Luka Nieto,

      I meant he wasn’t part of the royal family. And I never said he was orchestrating anything. He just lives a quiet life trying to help others. s a matter of fact, it makes perfect sense why he would especially help the Hound, considering the similarities in the two men. They were both KG that the world thinks dead and the Elder Brother clearly prefers it this way. If he’s Jon Darry and he comes back into the story in a major way, I don’t think that it would be orchestrated but just by chance. He didn’t know that he would run into a dying Sandor Clegane, so he probably wouldn’thave planned Cleganebowl or anything like that. The Elder Brother, when talking to Brienne, also felt the need to mention that there’s always been major beef between House Darry and House Frey.

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    57. Luka Nieto: Yup. This is exciting news for Brienne as well. Personally, this is how I envision the storyline for Brienne this season:

      [long block in spoilers snipped, can be found at 10.10am]
      I really like your speculations here and on the forum because they’re grounded on what we know from the show, casting info, filming spoilers etc. plus also books.

      I agree with much of the first part, though I’m not sure about

      Sansa’s reason/motivation in sending Brienne south to find Jaime.

      However, we know from filming spoilers that

      Jaime and Brienne will meet again and there will be some sort of an argument, Brienne storming out of the tent or something.

      I’m really looking forward to

      Brienne and Sandor encounter

      if it happens, and I’d think it’d be great if it does. I’m just not sure it’d go quite as you speculated… Ho-hum, I haven’t thought of a better scenario so maybe you’re right. 😀

      As to Jaime and Brienne meeting again, I think you’re right, there has to be some conflict of vows, that’s what Jaime’s story is all about in the books, and also largely in the show. Brienne has to be put into a similar position that Jaime faced so that she’ll truly understand.

      Them going North together is interesting because there’s (book) fan speculation that Jaime has regrets about Rhaegar’s children… And a child of Rhaegar’s might be there, handy for Jaime to “atone”.

      There’s also the book fan speculation that

      Jaime will be a “kingmaker”, and as (f)Aegon is cut from the show, Jon is the only alternative.

      I don’t know how that’d work, there’s the small matter of Jaime having killed King Aerys,

      Jon’s potential grandfather, not to mention having been instrumetal in the downfall of Jon’s adoptive/maternal family (Starks).

      I agree that Jaime will survive this encounter because there’s the

      valonqar thing…

      Except, there isn’t in the show. Anyway, he’d have to do quite a lot of jetpacking up and down Westeros to do all these things in the next season or two.
      Not to mention new problems for him that might arise when Dany FINALLY gets her pretty little arse over to Westeros – Jaime killed her mad dad. It’s not looking so good for our knight in not-so-shining-armour. Basically, he’s doomed, it’s just a question of how long will he be able to survive.

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    58. Anon,

      Yes!! I’ve so missed his painful wisdom! What a great actor-perfect for such a complex man!!

      Sandor deserves his shot at CLEGANEBOWL!!

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    59. Awesome. It’s confirmed then…

      CLEGANEBOWL!

      But will it be Brienne, Jaime, or Arya that run into him? Could really go either way. Also, this seals the deal on the “broken men” speach, and it’ll probably be the name of that episode too.

      This season is just payoff, payoff, confirming fan theories and even more payoff.

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    60. crimethink,

      Technically yes, but at this point in the story LS would be jumping the shark (resurrecting Cat and Jon in the same season after the show prides itself on murdering characters would be beyond ridiculous), whereas the Hound actually makes sense since he was still rather far from death when we last saw him. LS at this point just doesn’t seem likely at all, but the Hound was always a possibility.

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    61. Luka Nieto,

      It’s a nice idea, but it totally misses the point of Brienne’s arc, that she will suffer for choosing to avenge Renly over saving Sansa. So if she meets up with Sansa right away and sees Sansa is fine, there’s really no punishment for Brienne.

      It’s also just subbing in Sansa for LSH and, why? LSH is just a plot device to reunite Jaime and Brienne.

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    62. HotPinkLipstick: It’s also just subbing in Sansa for LSH and, why? LSH is just a plot device to reunite Jaime and Brienne.

      Exactly. Sansa will be doing other stuff in the season. She can also take care of that plot device.

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    63. Dragonmcmx:
      I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

      And yet you’re on a site dedicated to getting the scoop on what happens on the show before the show airs. And youre complaining about it. Ok.

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    64. Maceless Fan:
      I think Ian McShane is more so the Elder Brother, not so much Meribald.

      I agree.
      The casting call description may point moreso at Meribald but McShane describes Elder Brother pretty closely; a former knight that now ‘leads’ a cultish group and theorized to have revived Sandor.

      Earlier McShane said his role is small but important. Meribald didn’t do any resurrecting but if that character’s storyline were duplicated in the show it would be a lengthier role than Elder Brother. It seems likely that the show would combine the two characters, but, I don’t think we’re going to see much of book Meribald since it’s a small role and the major plot inclusion is that of Elder Brother’s storyline.

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    65. Clob,

      Many of us have speculated that McShane’s character will fulfill the Elder Brother’s role, but he’ll have Meribald’s ‘salt of the Earth’ personality and his “Broken Men” speech. And his name too, possibly.

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    66. Luka Nieto,

      This all sounds plausible and ties together different story lines and characters neatly but do you think

      Blackfish makes it north in time to join in the Battle of Bastards or will he join them later? Curious of your opinion, thanks.

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    67. Luka Nieto,

      You missed the point of Brienne needing to suffer for choosing revenge over Sansa. If she comes back and Sansa is fine, you miss that emotional beat completely.

      I think you’ve written a pretty story, but I have serious doubts that it’s going to happen because it misses the overall story themes.

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    68. I’ll laugh if this isn’t about Sandor ‘Hound’ Clegane! Who else can be described as ‘much loved, thought dead’? What if this is classic theatre, using misdirection (perhaps with smoke and mirrors, or salt)?

      Jon Snow to become Jon The Hippy – Get hype!
      Bugger Battling with Ramsbottom. It’s a…. DANCE-OFF, bro…. on a grander scale! Get hippy!
      “You fought hard and you saved and earned – But all of it’s going to burn!”

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    69. HotPinkLipstick,

      I don’t think Sansa is “fine”. I did mention they were attacked, didn’t I? I believe you’re the one missing the point about Brienne… but I don’t think we’ll ever agree, to be honest.

      Making the 8,

      I think that may be season 7 material. After the siege, I believe Blackfish will reappear in the finale to take bloody revenge on the Freys in retaliation to the Red Wedding. At the same time, Arya will have arrived in the Riverlands, and I believe she may assassinate Walder Frey. I have no opinion yet on whether Brynden and Arya will see or even help each other.

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    70. Dragonmcmx,

      I wouldn’t be so hard on him. He is a very seasoned actor and this isn’t his first rodeo. He has made similar comments before and if the powers that be were bothered by it and wanted to shut him down, they would have.

      And for all hoping this is a LSH resurrection, I’m afraid that ship has past.

      Meribald just happens to come upon a dying man needing assistance, not a dead person to bring back to life.

      Besides, they need to limit the number of people with that particular set of skills for greater impact in the show. Just like warging.

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    71. tkk,

      Wow. I would advise against clicking the link if you don’t want to hear McShane confirm who it is.

      Presenter: “I’m guessing it’s X or Y.”
      McShane: “Not the latter, might be the former hahaha.”
      Presenter: “You’re getting sacked!”

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    72. tkk,

      Wow. He DOES pretty much confirm which character he’ll be responsible for bringing back!

      I think this deserves a news report of its own, doesn’t it? These are big spoilers. Again: nothing unexpected, of course! But it was just speculation till now, technically.

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    73. Omg he brings back Sandor!! I’m so so excited!! Love Rory McCann and I’m so stoked to see what McShane does! The hype is real guys!!!! 😀

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    74. Maceless Fan:
      Sean C.,

      Jon Darry was never part of any aristocracy, he only served one. And that wouldn’t negate any of the themes in AFFC. It would actually make perfect sense for Darry to go this route considering what happened. We already know that his father was a night, and his grandfather was a night. We know that the Elder Brother fought on the Trident for House Targaryen. We know that Dayne, Whent, and Hightower died at the TOJ, and Llewyn Martell got cut down by Lyn Corbray. How did Darry die? You don’t think that it’s strange that GRRM, A huuuge stickler for every little detail, would solely omit how Darry died? No, he would never leave a detail like that out without good reason. And this series in general isn’t just about the smallfolk and life through their eyes, but the people who serve those in power (Davos, Hotah, Brienne, Arys Oakheart, The Hound, etc.)

      Ser Jon Darry was highborn = nobility (aristocracy). We don’t know how, my guess is that his grandfather was the brother of the Lord Darry at the time, hence he and his father and granfather had high enough birth to become knights in the first place. You have to be highborn (aristocratic) to become a knight in Westeros. There’s very little social mobility. Basically, if your father isn’t a knight, forget it, no matter how good a fighter you might be. Only exceptional circumstances, like special services to the royal family (Janos Slynt) or real battle prowess (Battle of the Blackwater, Ser Bronn of Blackwater) can see knights created out of men with lesser pedigrees/dubious ancestry.

      You wrote: “This series in general isn’t just about the smallfolk”. I’d say it’s about everybody but the smallfolk. We have no smallfolk POVs. We have nobles being among the smallfolk. Arya being the best example. But she’s a traumatised noble child, so not a very reliable witness. Brienne is older and sees the war devastation maybe a bit more objectively, but she’s also a noblewoman, the heir to Tarth, she’s never lived the small life, however unfortunate her betrothals have been.

      The only nobles who’ve expressed any real, documented (in the books) sympathy towards /worry about the smallfolk in these later developments are Arya, Brienne and Jaime (he’s worried about harvests and how the smallfolk will survive).

      On the whole, I don’t disagree with the idea of Elder Brother being Jon Darry. Except, what he tells Brienne, it seems he’s a younger son of a minor house. Being a KG doesn’t fit with that story. Then again, we readers sort of know that the Elder Brother maybe isn’t being truthful anyway (WRT Stranger, Gravedigger etc.)

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    75. So glad to see I’m not alone in my McShane lust. If he has a scene with Coster-Waldau, I might melt. All that hot in one place.

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    76. Luka Nieto,

      This is nice. Here is mine:

      Brienne has a run-in with some Bolton soldiers. Somehow, words reaches her that Sansa has been found and killed. Ramsay uses Myranda’s flayed body to simulate Sansa while he searches for the real one.

      Brienne is brokenhearted, decides to lay down her arms as a knight and return home. On her way there, she has a run-in with the outlaws. She does not fight, but is saved by Meribald. Meets the Gravedigger.

      Then, meets Jaime, currently equally directionless.

      They quarrel. Make peace. Decide to stay together. Marry.

      The new Septon they have just met officiates.

      Wisely, there is no wedding.

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    77. HotPinkLipstick:
      So glad to see I’m not alone in my McShane lust. If he has a scene with Coster-Waldau, I might melt. All that hot in one place.

      Well, now you made me drool. Just the thought if it…

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    78. Luka Nieto,

      Yeah I agree. And besides, if Sansa is becoming a player, it’s time she starts making some of her own moves. Since she doesn’t entirely trust Brienne (which will only be amplified after the candle fiasco), she has no interest in keeping her around. But on the off chance that Brienne really is loyal and worthy, Sansa knows she is very close to Jaime- perhaps close enough to get her a royal hostage for the upcoming conflict with Cersei (which is unavoidable if she ever wants to rule in Winterfell) and sue for peace.

      Sending Brienne after Jaime makes loads of sense for Sansa, and also pits them in exactly the same circumstances LS caused in the books.

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    79. Lol, i love how some of these people gang up on McShane for spoiling it,the man is like 70 plus years old with already a lenghty career,do you really think he gives a fuck about burning bridges ? Plus it’s not like his character is a major one .

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    80. Yaga,

      I’m with you right up to after the make peace and decide to stay together.

      Your idea makes narrative sense. I’d say that

      when Brienne meets up with Jaime, he tells her Sansa is alive and rallying the North, not dead at all. Then she tells him she has to head back to Winterfell to protect Sansa and he should come to and bring the Lannister forces. That’s what they fight about and she storms from his tent. He eventually comes with her alone to fulfill his oath which leads him to being ‘somewhere else’ by the end of the season, maybe QI where they run into McShane and the Hound.

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    81. Yaga,

      Oh you sweet romantic. Don’t you know there are no happy endings in GoT.
      Well, at least I cannot think of one.

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    82. McShane is awesome.

      I doubt he realizes how psycho people can be about spoilers. It’s more of a this-generation thing, for people to obsess over not revealing things. And we never actually saw the Hound die anyway.

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    83. Newbietothegame: Well, now you made me drool. Just the thought if it…

      If the showrunners were women, you know they would twist the plot all to hell to get us a Coster-Waldau and McShane scene. Maybe shirtless. And by “women” I mean ME. If I were the showrunner, I would make that happen. The Internet would worship me for it. 🙂

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    84. jentario,

      Why would Sansa not trust Brienne after — in this chain of events — Brienne saves her from Bolton henchmen and then takes her to safety, in a context where she could easily do whatever she wants with Sansa? What other agenda could she have?

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    85. Henry Gordon:
      Transcript: “I bring back this cocksucker whom everyone thinks dead because I don’t want to be sucking hind teat on body disposal”

      Wu’s pigs FTW.

      “Heng dai, fuckin’ Hound.”

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    86. To me, this says he’s been told he can say this much… because it will make general fans think “OH, HE MEANS JON SNOW!” So when he does appear and it isn’t Jon Snow, they will think… “Oh, Jon Snow is not coming back.”

      Which also says to me… Jon Snow is not coming back… until at least after the episode McShane is in.

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    87. Yaga,
      Mmmm interesting idea using flaying for disguise purposes. Worked for Theon with burning, perhaps Ramsay could do it in reverse and flay someone to hide their death? No idea who but it would work if there was no way he could get a body past others without discovery. No-one’s going to want a closer look 🙁

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    88. Sean C.,

      I’m just expecting Brienne’s choice in Mother’s Mercy to have major consequences on her arc- as it absolutely should. She chose Stannis over Sansa in Sansa’s time of need. I’m sure this will leave a bitter taste in Sansa’s mouth that saving her after the shit she’ll go through with Theon will not undo. So it’s not so much that Sansa thinks she has an alterior motive, but that Sansa doesn’t believe that her cause is Brienne’s priority- over things like vengeance for Renly and her love for Jaime (which could easily come to play in the future if Sansa enters conflict with the Throne). So to truly test Brienne’s oath, she sends her after the man she loves- which just so happens to be the best bargaining chip ever.

      Honestly, IMO it’s either that or Sansa doesn’t meet Brienne at all. That candle scene has to mean something. Choice between loyalties is what Brienne’s arc is all about, since the moment Catelyn died, and doing this on the show will only highlight that.

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    89. HotPinkLipstick:
      Luka Nieto,

      You missed the point of Brienne needing to suffer for choosing revenge over Sansa. If she comes back and Sansa is fine, you miss that emotional beat completely.

      I think you’ve written a pretty story, but I have serious doubts that it’s going to happen because it misses the overall story themes.

      When I read Luka’s synopses of the episodes of the season in the forums, I thought he’d tried to stick much more to plot than to story, and he left plenty of room for other plot and especially story details. Perhaps the plot is more his thing or, more likely, the plot is easier to deduce from filming and book spoilers than story.

      The fandom was in rather an uproar over how damaged Sansa has already been. Perhaps Brienne will really struggle with that.

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    90. Luka Nieto: I was waiting for this. You guys never give up in your hope, do you?

      Stop pissing on people’s hype. It will be a shame if it does happen & people were discouraged from enjoying speculating about it. I feel like people want to squash others’ hopes about it & their enjoyment of that character to influence the show like the Sansa controversy did.

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    91. It’s simple. They’d rather give us the Hound confirmation than the Jon Snow.

      McShane isn’t a doddering old fool who just mouths off – I’m sure he discussed what and what not to say with the showrunners at some point.

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    92. Hahaha, I love Ian McShane and his IDGAF about spoilers attitude.

      I’m so damn happy we’ll finally get concrete confirmation that Sandor Clegane is still alive. I’m not one of the CLEGANEBOWL fanatics so I’d be okay with just seeing Sandor being nursed back to health and finally finding peace.

      Good lord, I can not wait for season 6.

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    93. Lulus Mum:
      Yaga,
      Mmmm interesting idea using flaying for disguise purposes. Worked for Theon with burning, perhaps Ramsay could do it in reverse and flay someone to hide their death? No idea who but it would work if there was no way he could get a body past others without discovery. No-one’s going to want a closer look

      It already worked for Bran and Rickon – not flayed but burnt. Ramsay might as well try that trick again, right?

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    94. Everybody getting excited about the “broken men” speech needs to chill. Yes, they’ve hired the perfect actor to deliver the monologue, but every time we reach the point where a beloved bit of dialogue should appear, it is either excised or pointlessly altered. I’m not bashing the show, really, but after the fan (over)reaction to “your sister” or “bring me my sword” (among other examples), you’d think we would learn to stop getting worked up over some dialogue we’re expecting to hear. Lower those expectations, folks!

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    95. Newbietothegame,
      Wha…? What about Hot Pie? It’s the gravy. You must never forget the gravy.

      I think that they are both becoming ready to choose a new path. And reality will have still two seasons to happen, as far as I’m concerned.

      e: Seriously, whenever I think of Quiet Isle, I always remember Thus Beren and Lúthien lived again, and dwelt on Tol Galen in the middle of the river Adurant in the Ossiriand.. …I can’t be the only one, can I?

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    96. Dude….he can’t just give away major spoilers like that. HBO’s handlers need to get a hold of this.

      Well, it looks like they combined Septon Meribald with the Elder Brother….which kind of makes sense.

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    97. jebbers,

      Thing is, this isn’t a catchy one liner like “Only Cat”- it’s a long, loooong speach. They can alter it a bit. They can alter it a lot, and they probably will since it might even be too long for television- but the message will still come through. And with Ian McShane it will come through fantastically

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    98. Jonathan Coldrain:
      Though I’d love to have the Bad Ass with a Heartitude a.k.a Childhood Complex Clegane back, I hope this puts an end to the hopes of getting Lady Stoneheart on the show. There is only so much resurrection you can explain without fans expecting every dead character to come back. It is not a soap opera!

      Well the finale will probably for the fourth time in a row have the title of something referring to a Mother and the Children again just to troll us.

      I mean we’ve had Mhysa, The Children and Mother’s Mercy. Can’t break the Stoneheart teaser titles tradition now!

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    99. Ginevra:

      Definitely agree. The only thing I don’t like about Michelle is her god-awful laugh, in which she sounds like I can only imagine LSH actually would. Which is hardly her fault. 🙂

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    100. HotPinkLipstick,

      I finally realized that you were probably talking about Brienne dropping the ball at the end of Season 5, missing that candle well after the rape. Given that, I thought that the last part of the comment was no longer relevant and so that’s why I deleted.

      I just deleted another to Lulu’s Mum when I read her post better and saw where she mentioned the burning of the boys. For future comments, I’ll try to ponder better.

      Back to the deleted scene article, I love:

      You must no longer be in charge, then.

      But what does Tormund say first? “Muslin’s (?) a bit duft/daft (?).”

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    101. jentario,

      Exactly!

      Hell I don’t even want the entire speech. It’s way too long for TV. I shorter version will be a lot better.

      Also, I still hold to my theory that it’s Jaime and Bronn who hear this speech.

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    102. The Dragon Demands:
      Dude….he can’t just give away major spoilers like that.HBO’s handlers need to get a hold of this.

      Well, that is what I visit this site for. Spoilers, casting news, etc. You want HBO to ‘handle’ WotW next? I think not..

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    103. jebbers: but after the fan (over)reaction to “your sister” or “bring me my sword” (among other examples),

      But they got Aemon’s “kill the boy” and “Egg” phrases juuuuuusssst right (albeit in a different locale)! For me, that more than made up for the “Lannister”, “sister” and “sword” silliness.

      #longliveaemon

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    104. Jonathan Coldrain,

      Jonathan Coldrain:
      Though I’d love to have the Bad Ass with a Heartitude a.k.a Childhood Complex Clegane back, I hope this puts an end to the hopes of getting Lady Stoneheart on the show. There is only so much resurrection you can explain without fans expecting every dead character to come back. It is not a soap opera!

      Well, aside from the fact the White Walkers (kinda) resurrect people cheaper the dozen, there is not much resurrection on the show at all. In fact the only one resurrected so far was Beric Dandorian. Jon Snow might be No. 2 and a certain Lady would be No. 3. Not sure if Frankenmountain counts.

      There’s not much resurrection but much talk about resurrection. The Hound does not to be resurrected since he never died in the first place.

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    105. I love Ian McShane. Just hearing him call his own character a ‘peacenik’ is so bizarre that I smiled like a goof (which I am).

      If (when) my first GOT manfriend is back (I’ve loved Rory since he was just a young’un – watch The Book Group, guys), I do hope in a way that it’s just a scene, a look, a confirmation, but not a plot until S7. 🙂 Anticipation is everything. The only thing that could make me happier would be for Jorah to survive S6, which I seriously doubt, but then I felt that way about S5.

      If Sansa so much as browbeats Brienne or Jaime, I’ll kill her myself. She has to get herself north of the wall and become the Night’s Queen, after all.

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    106. Dragonmcmx:
      I hate it when actors do this. You signed a fucking NDA, now stay true to it. Not that I care about spoilers, but my respect for this fellow just dropped significantly.

      If you think he is violating his NDA with this talk you haven’t been paying attention. Do you think it is by accident so many of the actors talk about their upcoming roles just a little bit? It’s HBO sending out the Hype Train, nothing else.

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    107. jebbers:
      Everybody getting excited about the “broken men” speech needs to chill. Yes, they’ve hired the perfect actor to deliver the monologue, but every time we reach the point where a beloved bit of dialogue should appear, it is either excised or pointlessly altered. I’m not bashing the show, really, but after the fan (over)reaction to “your sister” or “bring me my sword” (among other examples), you’d think we would learn to stop getting worked up over some dialogue we’re expecting to hear. Lower those expectations, folks!

      For the most part, those are all quips, not at all comparable lengthwise to the Broken Man speech. Will we get the speech verbatim? Of course not, but I imagine it will be there in some form.

      Is one of the missing quips, “Edd, fetch me a block”?

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    108. This fills me with happiness. I’m desperately fond of the Hound and would love to have him back in the fold on a weekly basis, but I suspect his appearance may be a one-off. Still, I’ll take what I can get.

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    109. Luka Nieto: Yup. This is exciting news for Brienne as well. Personally, this is how I envision the storyline for Brienne this season:

      Found the HBO writer tbh.

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    110. Mihnea: If so, come on.

      Don’t you remember my long essay about it a few years back? If so, you’d expect that remark from me, my friend. 🙂 The words were meant to torture Cat in her final moments, for her “treason” when releasing Jaime.

      Also, I believe when Brienne, Jaime and LSH meet in TWoW it will be an amazingly pivotal moment in the series, and bring that phrase full circle.

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    111. The Dragon Demands:
      Dude….he can’t just give away major spoilers like that.HBO’s handlers need to get a hold of this.

      Well, it looks like they combined Septon Meribald with the Elder Brother….which kind of makes sense.

      Given he’s said something similar before, I would guess, as others have already mentioned, HBO, or whoever deals with this sort of thing, has already approved it, so there’s nothing for them to “get a hold of.”

      Moreover, as others have also already pointed out, no one other than book readers would really have any clue to which character he’s referring.

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    112. jentario:
      Rygritte,

      Nope that doesn’t count as a consequence. Brienne as a character has to pay the price for choosing vengeance over her oath to Catelyn

      IMO, Brienne’s promise was fulfilled the moment the girls refused her help. There is also no Catelyn to return the girls to. It’s wonderful that Brienne keeps trying, but it is a gift, not a debt. Maybe I’m missing something.

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    113. Hm.

      So I’ve long thought Sandor Clegane was alive on the Quiet Isle, but I’ve never really believed in Cleganebowl. So it’s interesting that the show is definitely bringing him back, I’m quite curious what his purpose will be.

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    114. Hodors Bastard,

      Ohh, I see it. You are more sad because, most likely LSH isn’t in the show and she won’t have her scene with Jaime.
      Too me personally that line was the first clue that LSH won’t be in the show.
      You probally know my opinion on her, so I won’t get into it.

      I think the line we got was brilliant tough and I loved it. I disagree with you but I can see your reasoning.

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    115. Sullied by Knight,

      Thank you!

      Whenever I cannot understand the girls, I’m all, “Are you speaking English, now?” “I can’ understand you, though.” “Have you go’ Double English or Double Sco’ish?”

      I felt that way not understanding Tormund.

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    116. Yeah, you nay sayers, quit peeing into our coffee, tea, whiskey or wine.
      Most of us are filled with joy and don’t need these negative vibes.
      And, because I have not read the books, I, personally, don’t give a rat’s behind if GoT has him recite ‘the speech’ from the books in its entirety, word for word.
      The books are the books, the show is the show.
      Now, back to my naughty thoughts about a Hound and a certain Lannister.

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    117. Mihnea: You are more sad because,

      Sad? Hell no…It was about the PoV that GRRM chose to use and the strongly resonating effect those words had. The show’s adaptation was fine though and had the desired visual effect.

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    118. Well they can’t fire him at this point–he’s only in one episode, and all of the episodes are shot. The producers can fine him for violating his NDA, however.

      I’m not surprised by the spoiler, I’m surprised he did this on a morning talk show. At least on the Graham Norton show he could have blamed it on alcohol…

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    119. Mihnea,

      To get back on track with this thread though, I am looking forward to the “Broken Men” adaptation. It should extend nicely from the “nothing is nothing” discussion that Arya and the dying man had in S4 before the Hound gave him his mercy…

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    120. Blind Beth:
      Hm.

      So I’ve long thought Sandor Clegane was alive on the Quiet Isle, but I’ve never really believed in Cleganebowl.So it’s interesting that the show is definitely bringing him back, I’m quite curious what his purpose will be.

      I agree. I’m so hyped Sandor is back, I am so so hoping for the broken man speech. I think people expecting Cleganebowl this season (particularly at Cersei’s trial) will be disappointed. Cersei will win her trial – they are not going to all this effort to bring Sandor back to have him kill FrankenGregor straightway and Cersei then immediately killed as she has lost her trial. Sandor will rid the world of FrankenGregor eventually, but I can’t see it being this season. FrankenGregor needs to prove how truly monstrous he is by killing (probably Lancel) horrifically in the trial first. It needs to be more horrific than when Gregor killed Oberyn, as FrankenGregor himself is more horrific then Gregor.

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    121. Good timing for his return for me as a lot of the more interesting characters got offed last season.
      Think a lot of us called McShane’s role but that makes it no less cool! Shall be interesting to see who’s story he pops back up in.

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    122. Jon Snow’s Curling Iron,

      I’ll blush.

      Ginevra: the plot is easier to deduce from filming and book spoilers than story.

      Exactly 😉

      That said, in the updated version of the speculative summary (that I will publish after the trailer or in April if there is no trailer yet) I have endeavored to develop the stories of the characters more. Because of this, it’s now like 5500 words long.

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    123. Take the anticipation from the force awakens, deadpool, BvsS, daredevil season2, combine them all and you’re starting to reach the level of hype that GoT se6 has got going for me.

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    124. Akash Singh,

      I wish I could have one of my Unsullied friends listen to the radio bit. His general delivery was so…”I’m just being a smart-ass,” I wonder if they’d take what he said seriously.

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    125. Ginevra,

      You’re still dead on when it comes to your other analysis. Have some wine. I’m in a sharing mood today. I have a McShane-y glow about me.

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    126. While so many are pumped for flashbacks and the ToJ and so on, this is all I wanted. I want the “Broken men” speech. I want the Gravedigger.
      The story in the north, Winterfell and the “rebirth” of the wolves, is for me the backbone of the story. They will build an army of loyalists from all corners of the story (Brienne, Sandor, Davos, Wildlings, TBD). Jon Snow is the big story of the season. For me, if this happens, is the second biggest thing.

      I Dream of Spring: I agree.I’m so hyped Sandor is back, I am so so hoping for the broken man speech.I think people expecting Cleganebowl this season (particularly at Cersei’s trial) will be disappointed. Cersei will win her trial – they are not going to all this effort to bring Sandor back to have him kill FrankenGregor straightway and Cersei then immediately killed as she has lost her trial.Sandor will rid the world of FrankenGregor eventually, but I can’t see it being this season.FrankenGregor needs to prove how truly monstrous he is by killing(probably Lancel) horrifically in the trial first. It needs to be more horrific than when Gregor killed Oberyn, as FrankenGregor himself is more horrific then Gregor.

      I don’t buy Cleganebowl in the hyped sense, like Sandor battling for the Faith (the books are a different story). I think the brothers will meet again, only after Cersei dispatches Gregor to the north to bring back Sansa’s head.
      It will be Sandor who either is already north or finds out, maybe via Jaime/Brienne, that Gregor is going after Sansa.
      I have no doubts that Sandor will end up in the Starks service. Sandor has never given a rat’s about anyone. He cared about duty. But he genuinely cared enough to put himself on the line for both Stark girls (and what they represent). He will do it again.

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    127. Pigeon,

      I loved Rory in The Book Group! That was a good show and I hated to see it end.

      And what you said about the Hound merely being reintroduced this season and not back fully into the fold until season 7 is something I’ve suspected — mainly because Rory was spotted at the cast hotel only that one time, which would indicate he wasn’t there very long and didn’t have a lot of filming to do. (Either that … or he is REALLY good at hiding.)

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    128. Luka Nieto,

      I disagree.

      I don’t think we need Sansa as LSH at all. I don’t understand why this fandom is so obsessed with that idea.

      Blackfish or Arya can easily take that role and purpose, and we have rumors that Brienne will side with Blackfish after her disagreements with Jaime.

      I don’t know if that’s true, but it makes more sense than Sansa as LSH.

      We don’t have TWOW, so we can’t know how important it is for Brienne to bring Jaime to LSH, but much larger plot points were changed in the show before.

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    129. jebbers,

      jentario,

      Yes, it makes sense that she needs to pay a price, but I really can’t see why she would logically leave the North if she failed to protect Sansa.

      The only logical explanation would be if Boltons for whatever reasons faked Sansa’s death. But that would create a problem with their relationship with LF.

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    130. mau: I don’t think we need Sansa as LSH at all. I don’t understand why this fandom is so obsessed with that idea.

      A certain portion of the fandom is obsessed with the idea of a dark Sansa, a Sansa who essentially becomes LSH. I’m not. That is not what I said. I believe Sansa will roughly supplant LSH in terms of the plot (putting Brienne on a moral quandary, reuniting Brienne and Jaime, and creating a conflict between them), not that Sansa will become anything like LSH as a person.

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    131. jentario,

      And in Brienne’s promo picture we can see snow, so she is still in the North. And we can also see that she is wounded, so she had some fight. I believe a fight to protect Sansa, from Ramsay’ hunters.

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    132. Luka Nieto,

      And if there needs to be someone who will create a conflict between Jaime and Brienne, isn’t Blackfish a perfect option?

      Sansa is in a completely different part of the world, dealing with the Boltons. And we know that Brienne and Jaime will meet and there is no suggestion that she will try to trick him to follow her to Sansa (LSH). Quite the opposite, from the spoilers we got it’s seems that Brienne is completely honest with him.

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    133. mau: Sansa is in a completely different part of the world, dealing with the Boltons.

      Actually we know thanks to Javi from L7R that by the end of the season Jaime will “use Littlefinger’s jetpack” to be very, very far away from Riverrun. Hence my belief that Brienne will take him North.

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    134. At least to me, by far the most interesting thing about LSH is

      Nymeria is the one who drags Catelyn’s corpse from the water.

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    135. Luka Nieto,
      I agree with the spirit of your plot predictions, but not the actual execution.

      I agree with SeanC and others that I don’t think Sansa will be the one to send Brienne south, and I think having her go as far south to Riverrun and then north again to actually arrive at Winterfell by the season’s end (if that’s what you were implying) is entirely too much travel for Jaime and Brienne.

      However, we can agree on the fact that the Hound will make his reappearance with Brienne running into him once more somewhere in the middle of the season.

      If the story here is conflict of vows, the show already set that up at the end of the previous season. It’s enough to have Brienne miss Sansa entirely as a result of her choice to avenge Stannis. I do suspect there will be a further exploration of another one of Brienne’s story beats from both the book and show (the fact that she couldn’t save the first man that she loved, and is probably desperate not to have the same scenario play out once more), but Jaime being in danger and Brienne wanting to protect him could play out in literally dozens of ways – I don’t think it’s necessary to go all the way back north or even to involve Sansa at all.

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    136. Luka Nieto,

      Or he will return to KL. Or he will be in some other place in Riverlands, with Blackfish who took LSH role, or,…

      My point is, the fact that Jaime won’t be in the Riverrun at the end of the season doesn’t mean that he will be taken to Sansa, expecially when confirmed informations and rumors contradict your prediction.

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    137. Andrea,

      <3 fellow The Book Group lover! 🙂 It was a great little show.

      Well, Rory tends to be a bit reclusive (in a good way), so I'm sure he's just behind that rock over there…..

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    138. mau: expecially when confirmed informations and rumors contradict your prediction.

      What confirmed information? Sources. Because what you said earlier is just speculation.

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    139. The North is going to be the focus of Episode 9, what with

      BastardBowl

      . I think Episode 10 focuses on Dany finally heading towards Westeros and I also predict that’s when we see Cersei go full on batshit and try to burn KL. Sansa’s last scene for the season is going to be

      the Winterfell courtyard with Ramsay, Jon and LF with a giant trying to break down the door.

      There is no space in Sansa’s story arc to add in Brienne and Jaime.

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    140. mau: The information we got about Brienne’s and Jaime’s meeting. It doesn’t seem that she is trying to take him to Sansa at all.

      What…? Did you get any dialogue that I didn’t? O.o

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    141. talvikorppi,

      We can be quite sure Jaime survives season 6 and returns for season 7 as Nikolaj spilled the beans when he twittered about returning to his favourite gym in NI next year-and that was after filming for season 6 had wrapped

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    142. Luka Nieto,

      I don’t have a dialogue, but we know that she storms out of his tent and we know that she will have a scene with Blackfish.

      There is absolutely nothing suggesting that she was trying to trick him and take him to Sansa. There is no way she would “storm out” for that. And her scene with Blackfish would be pointless if the reason for their argument is Sansa.

      They will be arguing about Jaime’s oath to Cat.

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    143. Luka Nieto,

      Heh. But not that outh about Sansa.

      Do you have some counterarguments?

      If Brienne is really trying to trick Jaime, she would feel guilty about that. There is no way she would “storm out” from his tent after she failed to deceive him.

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    144. Yaga:
      Luka Nieto,

      This is nice. Here is mine:

      The quoting function didn’t work. I tried to quote Yaga who envisioned a Jaime+Brienne wedding. Sorry.

      Anyway, you sweet summer child… If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.

      The chances of Brienne and Jaime marrying is close to nil. For one, she’s near expendable in the grand scheme of things, and for two, he’s doomed. It all comes back to Aerys. And Cersei.

      Nobody would be happier than I if they survived and married and retreated to Tarth for a quiet domestic life and had half a score babies with ashtonishing blue eyes and amazing fighting skills. But it’s just not going to happen. Snif.

      The point of their story is going to be “what might’ve been”. Bittersweet. We know they were a perfect fit, they might’ve realised it, but it’s never going to happen. Wah, I want to cry about it even now. 🙁

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    145. talvikorppi,

      I don’t think I could disagree with your post more if I tried. 🙂

      Not that the end of the story is going to be all sunshine and rainbows or anything, but I don’t think anything is as certain as you make it sound (not even the tragedy that you outline).

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    146. mau: Do you have some counterarguments?

      No. You have your speculation, I have mine. I don’t claim to be right —I simply think that’s what’s going to happen, based on very vague reports and my own wild speculation. You’re the one saying this or that wouldn’t make sense. We simply don’t have enough information to say why Brienne would or would not storm out, for example. I have my own speculation on the subject, which I described above, just as her reason for talking with Brynden. I’m gonna guess you didn’t read it, because you’re asking stuff I already covered… in my made up fan fiction, which is just as speculative as yours.

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    147. The point of their story is going to be “what might’ve been”. Bittersweet. We know they were a perfect fit, they might’ve realised it, but it’s never going to happen. Wah, I want to cry about it even now.

      Like this here – I don’t know if I would say I have any evidence that that’s the “point” of their story at all. They met in the first act of the story and parted at the midway point. They are reuniting once more at the edge of the final act. That… doesn’t sound like a “what might have been” story to me. This pairing is different from the others, mark my words.

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    148. Blind Beth:
      Hm.

      So I’ve long thought Sandor Clegane was alive on the Quiet Isle, but I’ve never really believed in Cleganebowl.So it’s interesting that the show is definitely bringing him back, I’m quite curious what his purpose will be.

      Ultimately something to do with Sansa and Arya.
      I don’t know how, but he has no other purpose. He’s one of the protectors of the Stark girls – already has been, and he’ll continue.

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    149. kit_hepburn: Like this here – I don’t know if I would say I have any evidence that that’s the “point” of their story at all. They met in the first act of the story and parted at the midway point. They are reuniting once more at the edge of the final act. That… doesn’t sound like a “what might have been” story to me. This pairing is different from the others, mark my words.

      I hope you’re right!
      But maybe this pairing is so marked because both of them will struggle with vows and oaths and loyalties, and the irony is that each has found the perfect counterpart, and it’s just because they’re so similar that they cannot be together. Vows and oaths etc. Wah!

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    150. Nymeria Warrior Queen:

      …Nymeria is the one who drags Catelyn’s corpse from the water.
      ..and Arya was warged into Nymeria at the time of the body’s discovery and subsequent drag from the water into view of the BwB!

      🙂

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    151. Luka Nieto,

      I didn’t read everything, you are right, because I can’t take seriously the idea that Jaime would leave his army to save Sansa Stark from the Boltons. If he really wants to save her, he would go there with an army. Especially, because he already failed to save a girl alone.

      And by the time Jaime and Brinne meet (episode 7 or 8) there is no way Jaime won’t hear about an army approaching WF with Sansa.

      But the most important thing is that you are ignoring the context of their meeting.

      And as I said earlier, I don’t think that Brienne would be furious if he failed to trick Jaime. In that case she would have very conflicting emotions.

      So the confirmation that Brienne “storms out” from his tent really puts the nail in the coffin for that theory IMO.

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    152. Luka Nieto: Yup. This is exciting news for Brienne as well. Personally, this is how I envision the storyline for Brienne this season:

      You know what, I think you’re right on point and that’s exactly what’s happening with Brianne/Jamie this season.

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    153. talvikorppi: But maybe this pairing is so marked because both of them will struggle with vows and oaths and loyalties, and the irony is that each has found the perfect counterpart, and it’s just because they’re so similar that they cannot be together. Vows and oaths etc. Wah!

      Seems like an unnecessarily long story to tell in that case – just kill one of them off Season 4 and be done with it (which the show has been more than happy to expedite when necessary). It’s also basically the Jon and Ygritte story, which has already run its course. Think they plan on repeating that, except this time for 5+ seasons?! Seems odd storytelling. Oh well, time will tell I suppose.

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    154. mau: I can’t take seriously the idea that Jaime would leave his army

      Jaime has no problem leaving his army and going with Brienne to meet aand save “Sansa” at the end of his ADwD arc…so there is precedent there. Brienne doesn’t need to try that hard to convince him.

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    155. Mihnea,

      Christ, if Jaime still had his right hand or even gets at least half as proficient as he was with his left, those three decked out with Valyrian steel could probably beat the White Walkers on their own! 😛

      I’m not sure. Still think Cleganebowl could be a thing especially if Sandor house found the Seven. The Riverlands does seem like we’ll find them though…perhaps on their way to KL for some reason?

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    156. jentario:
      Sean C.,

      Uh, spoilered text doesn’t seem to get quoted…

      Anyway, jentario was saying that Sansa would test Brienne’s loyalty by sending her after the man she loves. Erm, OK. But Sansa doesn’t know Brienne loves Jaime. Brienne hardly knows it herself. It’s not like Brienne is broadcasting it. She’s a very uptight, reserved person. Maybe if Brienne and Sansa spent any significant time just chatting, Sansa might cotton on to it, but Brienne isn’t chatty. So… no. But we have to find a reason for

      Brienne to go south for Jaime – because we know from filming spoilers that they do meet up in the Riverlands late in the season.

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    157. talvikorppi,

      I think she will go to the Riverrun when she finds out abut the siege, to save Jaime “from himself”.

      But why would she go to the Riverlands? I don’t know. My theory would be to find Arya for Sansa.
      I think Sansa would try to reunite her family in S6. That will be her main goal.

      She will reunite with Jon, she will (with Davos?) in some way search for Rickon, and she will try to find Arya with Brienne.

      I don’t know about Bran though.

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    158. This makes me so happy I want to scream / cry. Now – if my true hope of a Sansa / Hound love match comes true I may just faint. YES

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    159. Totally O/T, but can I just say how annoying I fing any BOWL.

      It’s a U.S.A. thing, and we others from other countries might get the reference, though not the spelling (witness all the people here who write about “snowball”, not “snowbowl”). However, I find any “bowls” really, really annoying. Cleganebowl! Snowbowl! Bastrardbowl!

      A fight or a battle isn’t something where you place fruit, FFS!

      What’s wrong with the Final Clegane Showdown, the Fight for Winterfell, the Battle of the Bastards? Not a piece of crockery in sight.

      OK, I know I’ll have annoyed, maybe even offended, many US readers. But I only wanted to point out that we’re not all American, and for many “bowl” actually means a certain kind of a pottery dish, and its use as a term for a “fight” is sorta silly. A US American slang thing, being imposed on us all others. I find it annoying. Maybe it’s just me, and I’ll shut up. But bowls… pieces of crockery…

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    160. The video cuts off just before McShane is about to reveal that he’s been cast as Mr. Wednesday in American Gods on Starz! Two big exciting plums for fantasy fans in one day!

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    161. talvikorppi,

      It is interesting to read the types of things that bother other people. I am in the U.S. (not offended – that’s really not something to be offended by) and yes, I never would have considered that the term “bowl” would bother someone. 🙂

      I do believe, however, that the term “bowl” originated from the stadiums where the big tournaments/games were played. For example, a round, deep stadium where the field is surrounded by tiers of fan seating. Very bowl-like in design. Much too large for fruit or soup.

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    162. HotPinkLipstick:
      Ginevra,

      You’re still dead on when it comes to your other analysis. Have some wine. I’m in a sharing mood today. I have a McShane-y glow about me.

      Why, thank you, HPL! It is about that time. The day is winding down. Classes are wrapping up. And there is reason to celebrate. So I’ll let down my hair, kick up my feet, and raise a glass or two.

      Say, you don’t think we could retrofit your lipstick with a hidden camera, do you? We might could be frisked and still get some spoilers in.

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    163. Ginevra: From one of the dreams?

      Arya XII, ASoS (Chapter 65)

      I choose to believe that Nymeria was influenced by Arya’s will when she discovered the familiar-smelling corpse in the river marshes. The other wolves were feasting on the other corpses…but Nymeria wouldn’t indulge and the BwB were drawing near… 🙂

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    164. talvikorppi:
      What’s wrong with the Final Clegane Showdown, the Fight for Winterfell, the Battle of the Bastards?

      Battle of the Bastards is a more apt description and flies off the tongue more easily, yes. But “Final Clegane Showdown” doesn’t have as nice a ring to it as Cleganebowl. Clash of the Cleganes might work better, though it is still longer. Dogfight might work, as well. But at this point, the name has already stuck; the ink is already dry.

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    165. Hodor,

      THIS so much!! McShane is the actor that I am most excited to see this season. I just love, love, love this guy! Every character he plays he makes unique and memorable. And I can’t wait to see my Unsullied family’s faces when the Gravedigger turns around for the first time!! I also hope that this means that he will have a larger role leading his followers to KL in S7!

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    166. talvikorppi,

      If you don’t like the term (and we all have things which we annoying), by all means, use one more to your liking. Sullied by Knight is correct, however, “bowl” dose not simply refer to a piece of crockery.

      The one that gets to me is how any “scandal” becomes a “gate.” It stems from the Watergate scandal, but that was in reference to the hotel where the break-in occurred.

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    167. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      talvikorppi,

      If you don’t like the term (and we all have things which we annoying), by all means, use one more to your liking.Sullied by Knight is correct, however, “bowl” dose not simply refer to a piece of crockery.

      The one that gets to me is how any “scandal” becomes a “gate.”It stems from the Watergate scandal, but that was in reference to the hotel where the break-in occurred.

      In Canada, we seem to be Cup obsessed. Grey Cup (football), Stanley Cup (hockey) etc. North America just needs someone to bring cutlery.

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    168. One of Roose Bolton's 20 good leeches,

      I saw that once a while back, but had completely forgotten about it. It cracked me the hell up, yet again. Thanks!

      Pigeon,

      Hahahaha.
      I’m thinking sfork. Sforks just don’t get as much attention as they should.

      Everything could be turned into a “Cup,” “Bowl,” or Sfork.
      In fact, Sfork could replace “gate,” and I’d be just find with it.

      C’mon…Sansa Sfork?

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    169. Ok, left a word out of my second to last post, and put “find,” instead of “fine” in my last post.

      *facepalm*

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    170. Well damn that is a MAJOR spoiler! I can’t imagine HBO being happy with him after letting such a cat out of the bag. I mean we all kinda knew it was probably going to be the Hound. Looks like that leaked script from decades ago was correct about this at least. Who knows how many other unconfirmed things might turn out to be correct also?

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    171. Luka Nieto: A certain portion of the fandom is obsessed with the idea of a dark Sansa, a Sansa who essentially becomes LSH. I’m not. That is not what I said. I believe Sansa will roughly supplant LSH in terms of the plot (putting Brienne on a moral quandary, reuniting Brienne and Jaime, and creating a conflict between them), not that Sansa will become anything like LSH as a person.

      I totally agree. Sansa isn’t going to go around hanging people with an unquenchable bloodlust (though that would be awesome) but if Sansa wants to see who is true to her cause and the North, she needs to weed out quickly where the loyalties are. Sansa has no reason to trust Brienne. They were both in King’s Landing and not once did Brienne approach her, Jaime actually ruled against it when she mentioned getting Sansa out of KL. Brienne took her direction from Jaime, so while he may be “reformed” as Brienne see’s it, her loyalties are to him. It wasn’t until Stannis was within reach that she sought him out, going against her promise to Jaime (not Catelyn) to “save” Sansa Stark. Sansa is smart enough to put the pieces together, like Arya did when they met up before the Sandor fight. She was sent by a Lannister. Reformed or not, the Lannister’s are the enemy. And while Brienne may be conflicted (so many vows, so little time), her promise to Jaime will win out. Not saying she isn’t one of the good guys, she is but she seems to forget what the Lannisters (Jaime included) have done to the Stark family.

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    172. Ginevra,
      I think that ‘Cleganebowl’ is horrible and totally does not flow off the tongue. But that’s because I put a long vowel for the ‘gane’ in ‘Clegane’ (like you would say ‘game’), so it slows down the word, and it needs to have a certain auditory ‘oomph’. How do you say it?

      talvikorppi,
      Once again. Sixth season. Plenty of time for something horrible yet to happen, like both of them remembering about that pesky honour thing.

      I just don’t see them going North. Or South. I see them joining McShane’s hippy commune because they have both discovered that valar morghulis, and all you can do is decide how to live the days you have been given (so a season or two). The marriage bit is pretty hasty, but it’s just there so that Jaime doesn’t father a bastard.

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    173. Yaga:
      Ginevra,
      I think that ‘Cleganebowl’ is horrible and totally does not flow off the tongue. But that’s because I put a long vowel for the ‘gane’ in ‘Clegane’ (like you would say ‘game’), so it slows down the word, and it needs to have a certain auditory ‘oomph’. How do you say it?

      The same. And yes, it isn’t the best. I’m thinking the imagery of an important post-season game helped it to stick in the minds of the fans.

      But FInal CLEgane SHOWdown has all three words being two syllables and the first syllable emphasized. That’s just so … monotonous, not to mention twice as long syllabically.

      With Cleganebowl, I would even further deemphasize the stress on the middle syllable since the bookends are stressed: CLEganeBOWL, which makes it softer even with the long a.

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    174. Count me as a non-believer in the “Cleganebowl” theory.

      I’m not at all excited for a Hound and Arya reunion.

      But I definitely am excited for a Sandor and Sansa reunion.

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    175. IT’S HOWLAND REED!!!! FUCKING ToJ FLASHBACK CONFIRMED!!!!!!!!! FUCK THE HOUND!!1 HOWLAND REEEEEEEEEEEEEEED MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN, HE WILL HEAR OF JON AND BRING HIS ASS BACK TO LIFE, AND TELL HIM ABOUT HIS TRUE FUCKING PARANTAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!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    176. mau,

      The siege is a late season thing, as in episode 7 in the earliest. Unless it’s something we hear about earlier in the season and Sansa thinks she can use to her advantage (though I don’t see how)

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    177. This is monumental! Gravedigger theory OFFICIALLY CONFIRMED! Wow. I know the books gave very very strong winks to that but this is official confirmation.

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    178. Mrs. Kingslayer:
      This makes me so happy I want to scream / cry. Now – if my true hope of a Sansa / Hound love match comes true I may just faint. YES

      It will not happen in the show, they went for a Sandor/Arya father/daughter bond.
      I’m totally ok with this choice, there are the books for sansan 🙂

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    179. Mrs. Kingslayer:
      This makes me so happy I want to scream / cry. Now – if my true hope of a Sansa / Hound love match comes true I may just faint. YES

      Very happy the Hound is returning! I think they will go there with SanSan on the show, too. They kept hinting, even after all of their scenes together. I can’t wait!

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    180. Dark Lark:
      Count me as a non-believer in the “Cleganebowl” theory.

      I’m not at all excited for a Hound and Arya reunion.

      But I definitely am excited for a Sandor and Sansa reunion.

      Agree, Sandor is coming back for Sansa. They hinted in the scenes with Arya, too. Ask your sister. Your pretty sister. They showed that he loves Sansa. I think he will go to her, or she will come to him.

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    181. Motherofmadness,

      Dragonmcmx:
      Team Hodor,

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8K0403kvJk

      This guy just literally said that he’s

      If I recall correctly, his role is said to appear in only one episode. This means that he just revealed everything his role has to offer. If that’s not violating the NDA, I don’t know what is.

      With his second interview he might have went over the top. But still. The actors are teasing a lot lately and that is on purpose. They might even have allowed him to give that piece of information away. The Hound is a character much loved by fans but not very importend for the overall storyline. We still don’t know what is going to happen. Clagenebowl? Maybe. Sandor vd. Jaimie and/or Brienne again? Maybe. It’s just that kind of information you give away to make people hungry for more. And they will give sh*t that some book readers – like myself actually – feel a little spoiled now.

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    182. Ginevra:
      crimethink,

      He only confirmed that he wasn’t personally nursing Snow back to health. If you think Kit isn’t coming back, you haven’t been paying attention.

      overeem: no idiot… he said that the hound is coming back. Are you mentally retarded? Man the reason that I stay away from sites like this is because of people like you…. mentally retarded.

      The “r” word is as insulting as the “n” word. If you want to call me stupid, I’m down with that, but please don’t deride those who do suffer from mental handicaps.

      However, here is the comment I was actually responding to, the comment that says nothing about the Hound, the comment that does mention Jon Snow, which you can jump to if you click on the link that opens my comment.

      crimethink:
      Aha!I told you Jon Snow was not coming back, and now Ian McShane confirms it.

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    183. Team Hodor:
      Motherofmadness,

      With his second interview he might have went over the top. But still. The actors are teasing a lot lately and that is on purpose. They might even have allowed him to give that piece of information away. The Hound is a character much loved by fans but not very importend for the overall storyline. We still don’t know what is going to happen. Clagenebowl? Maybe. Sandor vd. Jaimie and/or Brienne again? Maybe. It’s just that kind of information you give away to make people hungry for more. And they will give sh*t that some book readers – like myself actually – feel a little spoiled now.

      I don’t get it. Don’t you folks come here to get the latest scoop, including spoilers? Why did you click on the video or the soundbite? Complaining, after the fact, that you think the story line got spoiled is …hmmm, let me think of a less offensive word than stupid…an oxymoron.

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    184. Ginevra: comment I was actually responding to

      Wow…that was quite a dignified response to his/her nonsense. Respect. Interesting how blog comments can get completely misunderstood so easily. In any case, please note that his/her date with Karsi last night did not go that well and he/she is only half the person they used to be.

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    185. Newbietothegame:

      Now, back to my naughty thoughts about a Hound and a certain Lannister.

      The Hound and Lancel? I haven’t heard that one before. Seems a bit unlikely with his religious conversion, but you never know 😉 😀 Sorry lady I’ll go now and leave you to dreaming. I once had a dream (while asleep) that S5 was going to be set in 18th century Vienna, so day dreaming tends to make a lot more sense!

      Nymeria Warrior Queen,
      Hi honey *waves* We had some serious hoohaa here a couple of years ago when a senior politician was allegedly incredibly rude to police officers who asked him to use a side gate rather than the main one. So it was effectively Gategate 😀

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    186. Newbietothegame,
      Lancel was the most unlikely Lannister I could think of, particularly the less confident, more bumbling earlier version.

      I’m rather hoping that some place where bowling is really popular has a Bowlbowl championships. Or perhaps a hoohaa there would be Bowlgate? *sigh* Silly ideas, they get me through the day…… 😀

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    187. kells:
      And while Brienne may be conflicted (so many vows, so little time), her promise to Jaime will win out.

      What promise to Jaime do you mean here?

      A lot of this argument for why Sansa wouldn’t trust Brienne hinges on information Sansa does not have, and would not have unless Brienne tells her herself. I really don’t see, at this point, what reason there is to doubt Brienne’s loyalty. Sansa rejected her and she still followed her to try to help. In any scenario under discussion here, she’d have found Sansa while on the run (and probably lent some assistance against pursuers). In that context, she could do anything with Sansa that she wanted, but would presumably choose to help Sansa go wherever she wants to go.

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    188. I think that Sansa will send Brienne south to look for Aria, because Brienne was the last person who saw her and she will definitely deliver this information to Sansa when they meet. I still don’t now how Brienne will end up in Riverrun but there are a lot of possibilities. She may decide that Aria went to her great-uncle the Blackfish or she may be captured by Littlefinger’s knights and demand to bring her to Jamie to prove that she has been on his mission etc. And then there will be a conflict of wows without any involvement of Lady Stoneheart or anyone else, because by this point Jamie will already be concerned about the Sarks rising in the North again. Of cause, none of us knows what is going to happen but we all can speculate and it’s a lot of fun.

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    189. I’m all for people wanting pairings, but I don’t get Sandor/Sansa at all. In the books, I think there’s a hint of something, but in the show, I don’t think the groundwork is there.

      If Sandor is coming back for anyone, it’s Gregor. But more likely he survived for himself, not to go find a girl.

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    190. Lulus Mum:
      Newbietothegame:

      The Hound and Lancel? I haven’t heard that one before. Seems a bit unlikely with his religious conversion, but you never know.

      I know you’re taking the piss, but I rather like Brooding Lancel with his badass armour and rebelliosly long yet manly locks. But Dainty Lancel with his hair carefully cut and curled to frame his delicate face is laughable, unless you’re talking slash fic fantasy. And Star Lancel is just gross.

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    191. HotPinkLipstick:
      I’m all for people wanting pairings, but I don’t get Sandor/Sansa at all. In the books, I think there’s a hint of something, but in the show, I don’t think the groundwork is there.

      If Sandor is coming back for anyone, it’s Gregor. But more likely he survived for himself, not to go find a girl.

      Cheers to that. *clicks glasses*

      One thing I’ve wondered though, is how

      intent a ‘reformed’ Sandor would really be on revenge against his brother/Cleganebowl. I mean, doesn’t the Elder Brother talk about how terrible it was to want to kill him? Unless our Sandy is playing a game of his own, of course. 😉

      It’s a shame they can’t use the Stranger clue in the show, that was a nice hint.

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    192. Ginevra: I know you’re taking the piss, but I rather like Brooding Lancel with his badass armour and rebelliosly long yet manly locks.But Dainty Lancel with his hair carefully cut and curled to frame his delicate face is laughable, unless you’re talking slash fic fantasy.And Star Lancel is just gross.

      I’ll pass on all of them, even with the star, still to boyish looking. I bet he still gets pimples, LOL. Give me a man with lines on his face, and I’ll be good.

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    193. Ginevra,
      Me joking about the show? How dare you madam! 😀 It’s amazing what difference hair styles make. If you just concentrate on faces, not body shape, Lancel really looked like a delicate girl when we first saw him and very definitely like a man now, although all that’s really changed above the shoulders is the hair.

      Loras too, pretty girl in S2, by S6 with short hair and a beard, completely different person.

      Personally I think it’s fascinating how we perceive others’ apparent gender; some of it’s entirely cultural, but the actual differences in people’s faces are only very slight. But that’s a whole other topic…..I watch a lot of documentaries and science programmes, we are blessed with some really good quality ones here.

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    194. overeem: Man the reason that I stay away from sites like this

      Then we won’t be seeing you, again?
      Excellent.

      Lulus Mum,

      Hello, lovely! *waves*
      “Gategate?”
      Ok, that one made me laugh, as opposed to roll my eyes. 🙂

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    195. One thing I’ve wondered though, is how

      intent a ‘reformed’ Sandor would really be on revenge against his brother/Cleganebowl. I mean, doesn’t the Elder Brother talk about how terrible it was to want to kill him? Unless our Sandy is playing a game of his own, of course.
      I don’t believe in Cleganebowl for Cersei’s trial, but I do believe that Sandor and undead Gregor are destined to meet/face-off once more. However, my suspicion is that their meeting up will be very accidental, the tremendous irony being that Sandor will have actually left the idea of revenge behind, but he’ll be forced to fight his brother to protect (probably Sansa). It’s just the type of thing for this story to do, to show us the thing we want to see, but under circumstances that make the situation less than ideal. If Sandor is truly reformed then I suspect he will no longer want to meet his brother, therefore a fight to the death (though it might result in the survival of a main character) will be conflicting to watch.
      I don’t feel that the show has really laid a Sandor/Sansa romance out there very well persay, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence that he likely has a key piece of information that’s significant for Sansa to know (that Littlefinger, the man she’s currently in kahoots with, directly betrayed her father and started the sequence of events that resulted in the downfall of her family). Couple that with the fact that his story has brought him to place where unburdening his soul might be necessary to achieving everlasting peace, and I think you can see how/why I suspect Sansa/Sandor will meet again, if not in a fully romantic sense.

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    196. kit_hepburn,

      I like this idea, it honestly seems a better plot than the two facing off for a trial.

      The Hound is my dad’s favorite, and one of mine, so to celebrate this happy news I just acquired the new Running Press Hound’s Helmet Mini-replica! Seems fitting.

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    197. Lulus Mum:
      Ginevra,
      Me joking about the show? How dare you madam! It’s amazing what difference hair styles make.

      Ah, let’s get started on the different hairstyles! Jaime S1: Prince Charming hairdo, clean shaven, arrogant prick. S2: overgrown, ungroomed – not so arrogant now, is he, haha! S3: overgrown, ungroomed, messy, dirty, bushy bearded. Maimed, brought down low S4: clean shaven, shorn hair = a new beginning? S5: hair starts to grow out, a bit of stubble S6:? From the promo stills, still short-haired and a bit stubbly.

      I don’t care about the hair but I want the beard to grow. In the books, the length of Jaime’s beard is directly proportional to his (emotional) distance from Cersei. (She wants Jaime clean-shaven so that they’d look alike, so that he’d be another “me” for her.)

      As to lines… Maybe it’s the fake scars and different makeup (and hairstyles!), but Jaime/NCW looks really different and older than he did in S1. NCW is only 6 years older so the transformation from arrogant boy to middle-aged man is a triumph for the makeup department. And NCW’s acting, of course.

      I prefer the “older” Jaime, not so inappropriate to TV crush on 😉 for a woman of my years (I’m actually the same age as NCW).

      Oh, and about the crockery. I know where the slang term “bowl” comes from, and I don’t mind Rose Bowl, Superbowl etc., just the extention of this term to any and every conflict and fight. It’s not something I lose sleep over, just a pet peeve.

      And the “gates”… Recently, there’s been a lot of political controversy in Ireland about the water company and water charges. A pundit tweeted something like, If only we had a ‘gate’ name for all this water trouble…

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    198. HotPinkLipstick:
      I’m all for people wanting pairings, but I don’t get Sandor/Sansa at all. In the books, I think there’s a hint of something, but in the show, I don’t think the groundwork is there.

      If Sandor is coming back for anyone, it’s Gregor. But more likely he survived for himself, not to go find a girl.

      SanSan wants me to projectile vomit, although from Sansa’s side. The basis of it seems to be ‘Sandor as Sansa’s protector’, and whenever I see it, I think – how *old* are the people pushing it? Sansa needs to learn to live on her own, and with someone who treats her as an equal… not in a codependent relationship! She needs to defend herself herself, not under the guise of a ‘protector’! …and then those people say ‘but it’s *romantic*’ and I roll my eyes. No, it’s *not*. Missandei and Grey Worm is more romantic than that.

      There is one circumstance in which I can see the C-Bowl happening: Jaime chooses to return to King’s Landing to mercykill an insane Cersei before Dany invades, and takes Sandor with him to do the same for his brother. Sort of a ‘hanging ends’ scenario. And the mental picture of a grim Jaime and a grim Sandor, once-master and once-servant, travelling side by side to purge the sins of their families from the world before the arrival of the cleansing dragonfire… now, *that’s* kinda romantic, in the original meaning of the word, to me.

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    199. Yaga,

      THIS. I wouldn’t wish Sandor on Sansa, and the appeal, whether in books or show, is a complete mystery to me. If Sandor has to reunite with a Stark, I hope that it’ll be Arya.

      lol to edit this, Arya might reunite with Sandor, as she’s going to return to Westeros. She can meet both her canid companions (Nymeria, Sandor) in the Riverlands. Sansa, on the other hand, is already North where I think she will stay.

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    200. Yaga: The basis of it seems to be ‘Sandor as Sansa’s protector’, and whenever I see it, I think – how *old* are the people pushing it?

      heh, I’ve often felt that if the Internet gods could enforce a rule of “no one still living with their parents can post views about possible relationships in book or TV series,” then shipping would cease to exist.

      crimethink: Aha! I told you Jon Snow was not coming back, and now Ian McShane confirms it.

      100 Internet points for the person who can identify which classic Logical Fallacy this is!

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    201. Whoops, I didn’t read this to joke!

      Was Meribald a Red Priest? I dimly remember the name, but I have not read Crows in over 10 years, and I am never going to read it again.

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    202. Wimsey: heh, I’ve often felt that if the Internet gods could enforce a rule of “no one still living with their parents can post views about possible relationships in book or TV series,” then shipping would cease to exist.

      I’ve been out of the house 25 years, and I still ship. In GoT, I’m not 100% certain of any of the ships because GRRM doesn’t dedicate a great deal to romance and because anything can happen in GoT. I do like SanSan, although I’m not terribly attached to the idea. I love Brienne and Jaime. I want the characters I most love – Tyrion, Arya, Jon – to end up in solid, loving relationships, but I have no idea with whom that should be. I used to think Jon and Dany because Ice and Fire, but now I’m not so sure that isn’t just Jon. Maybe. Maybe not. There should definitely be collaboration between the two – or so I hope!

      But in other series, I do tend to ship when romance is carefully and deliberately written in.

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    203. Ginevra: I’ve been out of the house 25 years, and I still ship.In GoT, I’m not 100% certain of any of the ships because GRRM doesn’t dedicate a great deal to romance and because anything can happen in GoT.I do like SanSan,

      LOL! And I’m parent and old enough to have teenagers, and I still like SanSan. They go together, a “knight” and his “lady.” And I love A Feast for Crows. And I don’t understand all this shaming that goes on around it.

      I’m looking forward to how it all pans outs.

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    204. Yaga: SanSan wants me to projectile vomit, although from Sansa’s side.

      Yum!
      As we have “discussed” before, the only reason why SanSan ever became part of the vernacular is because of Sansa’s juvenile dreams in ASoS/AFfC after her multiple intense encounters with Sandor. During her formative period at KL, he did save her from public rape, Joff’s cruelty, and, although awkward and brutal in nature, he only wanted a song during their last encounter (Blackwater). Naturally, folks have extrapolated accordingly.

      While I don’t believe the Beauty and the Beast scenario will play out as some have offered, I do believe that when/if a matured Sansa gets her act together and re-establishes herself in WF (aka survives!), she will seek out the Hound (if still alive after his rebound) and offer him a position in her service. Not sexual but out of respect. While he may not accept, he probably won’t be going back to the Clegane castle anytime soon.

      How’s that for a progressive take on SanSan?

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    205. Ginevra,
      Well, I also ship Jaime and Brienne. Openly and heavily. With the caveat that these are show Jaime and show Brienne. Book Brienne gives me the same creepy vibes as SanSan – she reads extremely young and inexperienced, the power differential between her and Jaime is just too heavy.

      By comparison, show Brienne is old enough to have grown cynical. She’s perfect for him. ?

      Hodors Bastard,
      Oh, much better, thank you. ?

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    206. talvikorppi: He probably hasn’t read the books and doesn’t realise how spoilery those vague remarks are to book readers…

      Or… At a certain time they (the actors) are allowed to reveal some aspects of their role (still within the boundaries of the nda). All part of the HBO communication plan.

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    207. Dark Lark: LOL! And I’m parent and old enough to have teenagers, and I still like SanSan. They go together, a “knight” and his “lady.” And I love A Feast for Crows. And I don’t understand all this shaming that goes on around it.

      I’m looking forward to how it all pans outs.

      I love the story, too. There are many fans of the pairing, it’s very popular, because it’s a great story. Lots of show only fans, too. There was plenty of setup on the show. And definitely romantic/sexual, and that goes both ways, it’s the real reason he’s returning to the show. I think it’s going to be big. Can’t wait for more! 🙂

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    208. Ginevra: I do like SanSan, although I’m not terribly attached to the idea.I love Brienne and Jaime.I want the characters I most love – Tyrion, Arya, Jon – to end up in solid, loving relationships, but I have no idea with whom that should be.

      Brienne and Jaime is the couple I like the most, so I’m afraid for what might happen to them. I also want loving partners for Tyrion, Arya, Jon, Sandor – it’s my way to show my love for them, wanting them to be happy. Even Robb and Thalisa had their short, but real love story.

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    209. Ginevra: Battle of the Bastards is a more apt description and flies off the tongue more easily, yes.But “Final Clegane Showdown” doesn’t have as nice a ring to it as Cleganebowl.Clash of the Cleganes might work better, though it is still longer.Dogfight might work, as well.But at this point, the name has already stuck; the ink is already dry.

      But has this ‘Cleganebowl’ business/hype actually been confirmed? Ok, The Hound coming back has been on the cards for while. Even before Ian McShane’s recent comment that its not the latter (JS), but could be the former (TH).

      I haven’t seen anything to suggest the Clegane brothers will battle it out? OK, Cersi says, “I choose violence!” when confronted by Lancel in that S6 trailer. So I guess there will be a trial by combat with the re-animated Mountain being Cersi’s champion. However, the Hound disappeared from KL ages ago ( wasn’t that after the Battle of the Blackwater in S2 ? ) and a lot has happened since then. What gives people the idea he will return to KL, let alone champion for the High Sparrow and his minions ?

      As for bowl, its close to bowel and you know where that ends up… The Battle of the Assholes, LOL 😀

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