Two possible Game of Thrones returns; plus, explore season 6 locations with this video!

Yesterday, we brought you new Game of Thrones information about season 6 shooting locations in Girona, Spain. Los Siete Reinos has found a great video from La Vanguardia showing footage of all the sights in Girona’s Old Town where Game of Thrones will be filming. Enjoy the virtual tour of the locations, and get a better feel for what in-show places the streets and plazas may stand in for!


And in the SPOILERS department for two characters:

Enzo Cilenti, who appeared in 2 episodes of season 5 as the Tyrion and Jorah-purchasing slaver Yezzan, shared this photo yesterday on his Instagram.

The photo, captioned, “A port in Northern Ireland,” is of the Harland and Wolff shipyard and oil rig in Belfast Harbour. This is notable because H&W shares space with Titanic Studios, where Game of Thrones shoots interior scenes every year and is currently filming season 6.

So, is Cilenti returning in season 6 or is he working on another project in Belfast? There are a couple other things in production at the moment in Belfast, but nothing that the actor has been publicly linked to besides Game of Thrones. It would be a welcome return, if that is the case, as he was memorable in his small role.

A port in Northern Ireland. #everyfiltergoing

A photo posted by Enzo Cilenti (@cinzano_pirelli) on

And now, some info about the return that you’re all really waiting for…

Spoilers

You ready for it?

Okay.

I’ve heard from a source whom I trust, who has provided us reliable information going back several years, that Rory McCann was seen recently staying at a hotel in Belfast commonly used by HBO and Game of Thrones cast members during filming.

Currently, McCann has no other projects scheduled, or any other reason to be in Belfast that we’re aware of. Book readers have their theories as to how the Hound- or rather, Sandor Clegane might return. But it wouldn’t be the first time Game of Thrones has diverged from the original story if they choose a different version for the return of Sandor Clegane.

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    1. He’s coming back in the show for the same reason he’ll be back in the books; to finally put an end to his wretched brother once and for all. This is gonna be the best fight in the series!

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    2. Yeah the Hound ftw !!!! So happy about both Mc Cann and Cilenti’s return. The latter is surprising because I don’t see what else he could bring to the story. Something of a possible importance, to renew his contract for another year… But I think, more probably, he might return for one scene but not much more… Anyway he was good as Yezzan so that’s good news

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    3. Reminder in advance:

      ALL book spoilers must be covered if those scenes haven’t appeared on the show yet. Thanks!

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    4. OH. MY. GOD.
      THE HOUND IS BAAAAAAAAACK!!!
      CleganeBowl CONFIRMED!!!!
      GET HYYYYYPEEEEEEEEEEE

      Jeeeezzzzz im so excited

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    5. ‘The Lost City of Z’ is also filming in Belfast at the moment, so he could be there for that, but crossing fingers for the show. Would love to see him again!

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    6. Carne,

      Well, several things are being filmed in Belfast right now, but Enzo Cilenti is not in any of them, including The Lost City of Z, from what I can tell.

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    7. When S4 DVD did their annual round table of actors who had died that season, and Rory was the only actor who’s character “died” that season who didn’t show up, you knew The Hound had more adventures forthcoming.

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    8. I was expecting that Cilenti will be back for S6 as well as AAA and the Red Priestess. I would also like Syrio Forell and Quaithe to come back in some form. I was actually expecting that Quaithe will have some sporadic appearances over the seasons but it hasn’t happened so far…

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    9. I am hyper excited to read The Hound may be back this season. It would be spectacular to see a Clegane brothers one-on-one battle ending with Sandor decimating Frankengregor. However, even more thrilling would be to see Arya and The Hound reunite and he accompanies her on her death list mission.

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    10. Rygar:
      Oh fuck my life.Why not keep some characters dead for a change?

      In general, I agree with you, which is why I hate LSH. I think GRRM’s dead/not dead habit is one of the most irritating aspects of the book. D&D have actually done a good job paring them out of the narrative, and it might be that this season is when they start to use that tool in their box. (Though if this is true, and Jon Snow is not dead, then that would make two resurrections this season, which seems like overkill. I guess it’s all in how they do it, though)

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    11. Excellent news! Cilenti was wonderful in a small role. Thrilled that Sandor may be showing his lovely face in Westeros again. I suspected that he would return, just not so soon.

      I wonder how his re-introduction will be handled. With the suggestion of a Septon Meribald/Elder Brother character, maybe we will see some adaptation of the Quiet Isle. Another familiar character would have to be present. With Brienne in the North, I think that it has to be someone else.

      Now if we could only find out who is playing Euron…

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    12. Oh yippie yay, the dream continues. Now, the Hound can come back from certain death and has the opportunity to fullfill his lifelong dream of killing his own brother, who just so happens to be a fucking Frankenstein, with no memory whatsoever. Great. Writing. GM.

      I think I’ll pass. Gas.

      Get hype? Get fucked.

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    13. Rygar:
      Oh fuck my life.Why not keep some characters dead for a change?

      That’s not how ASOIAF works, see? Very few main characters are well and truly dead dead dead. Hell, in ADWD even Ned makes an appearance (in a way).

      Let them go, George. The books would have been better for it.

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    14. Add to that the fact the Hound is Finn Jones’ “current” favourite character (as per the interview posted a few days ago), and we have ourselves an almost-confirmation 😀

      However… NO CLEGANEBOWL please >< It just doesn't make any goddamn sense xD

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    15. People seem to have missed the fact that Sandor was very obviously left alive…

      Will be very happy to see my favourite character/GOT actor back again. The only negative will be the creepy fanfic shippers – I doubt Rory would come back if that was even a possibility, given how much he is creeped out by it.

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    16. Hodor Hodorson:
      Add to that the fact the Hound is Finn Jones’ “current” favourite character (as per the interview posted a few days ago), and we have ourselves an almost-confirmation ????

      However… NO CLEGANEBOWL please >< It just doesn’t make any goddamn sense xD

      It makes perfect sense and in no way does it come out of nowhere. Cersei will call a trial by combat with Gregor as her champion, while Sandor is the champion of the faith. If that’s not your cup of tea that’s fine, but you can’t say that it makes no sense.

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    17. Hype is Coming!
      Ours is the Hype!
      Growing Hype!
      Fire and Hype!
      What is Hyped May Never Die!
      The Night is Dark and Full of Hype!
      The Lannisters Send Their Hype!

      Oh, and Enzo Cilenti… Sure, I liked him, bring him back.

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    18. About Cleganebowl (book and possible show spoilers ahoy):

      I don’t think Cleganebowl will happen quite as people expect. The Quiet Isle is pretty isolated and far removed from King’s Landing, and likely no one except for the Elder Brother knows who the gravedigger really is.

      Furthermore, no one but Qyburn knows with certainty that Gregor is still “alive” since he conceals his face (if he even still has one) and goes by an alias. I also noted that Qyburn doesn’t call Gregor by name when he reappears in Mother’s Mercy, so he might go by an alias in the show as well.

      So there’s really not much precedent for Cleganebowl, or at least not in the form many people want. I think they may fight eventually but it won’t be during a trial by combat for Cersei (Lancel will likely be the Faith’s champion instead).

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    19. Rygar,

      There you go. Dying slowly is still alive, especially when there’s a maester behind that rock. 😉 Not ‘I got my throat slit and I have no vitals’.

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    20. Arthur: Looks like all you Cleganebowl people were right!

      It is foreshadowed in both the books and on the show. I’ve been a bit ambivalent about it myself, but I won’t be surprised if it happens, and it has the potential to be good. The fact that they have (almost certainly) cut LSH means that it won’t be another dead man walking (and fighting) to the same degree as it might have been. Moreover, if LSH is actually going to provide anything relevant to the over-arching plot (something about which I am becoming increasingly skeptical), then they (probably) could have Sandor make that contribution.

      My guess is that if Sandor does return, then it will be part of Cersei’s story. Moreover, I bet that it will culminate in another nail in her coffin where holding what scraps of power she can is concerned. But I am sure that there are other options: anyone else care to take a stab?

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    21. Maceless Fan,

      Man… Why, oh why on earth would the Faith chose a random hermit from a small community who is permanently injured on the leg as its champion???

      I think the Hound’s ending is perfect as it is right now in the books. He’s finally at peace.

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    22. People, GRRM isn’t not allowing characters to stay dead because he doesn’t want to let go of them. It’s part of the larger story. Dragon’s coming back, white walkers coming back and bringing wights with them, R’hllor’s kiss etc. The very first chapter of the book, also the first scene of the show has wights. Pretty big clue that this is a fantasy story with supernatural goings on. Not sure why people act surprised when supernatural things happened. It’s fantasy. Not historical fiction.

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    23. Gregor may be suffering horribly, being kept “alive” (for lack of a better word). Perhaps the reborn, Hound-less Sandor will want to put his brother out of his misery.

      Though yeah, I can’t see it happening during the trial.

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    24. Hodor Hodorson: Man… Why, oh why on earth would the Faith chose a random hermit from a small community who is permanently injured on the leg as its champion???

      Clegane Bowl does not have to be Cersei’s trial: I would look for Lancel to be the Church’s champion instead. Brother vs. Brother (or what’s left of either brother) can happen later.

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    25. Pigeon,

      There I go nothing. He was left dying. Morte. And if there was someone hiding behind a rock or having a Sunday stroll in a Mountain Clan invested area, well then please allow me a proverbial LOL moment.

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    26. Rygar,

      I agree. I’m not fond of the fake death trope. It was clearly indicated The Hound was in a dire state, about to die. Arya left him to die. There was no one there to provide immediate medical aid. There was no one there to resurrect him either. His sudden comeback will feel cheap and out of left field. How did he pull through, where was he until now? He looked like he was in no state to walk miles to get help.

      3 (seemingly) dead characters returning? Maybe The Hound does at the expense of Jon.

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    27. mariamb,

      It’ll be Jaime, I bet. More and more I’m thinking that his Riverlands arc was actually just cut and pasted and not simply cut. Cersei will probably send him away again after he returns with Myrcella’s body, and he and Bronn will head out to the Riverlands… or possibly to the North to deal with the Bolton situation, which would still require passing through the Riverlands.

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    28. I’ll be really happy to see McCann, again.

      The interview with Finn Jones made me dare to hope, and this makes the hope seem not so daring.

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    29. weirwoodtreehugger:
      People, GRRM isn’t not allowing characters to stay dead because he doesn’t want to let go of them.It’s part of the larger story.Dragon’s coming back, white walkers coming back and bringing wights with them, R’hllor’s kiss etc. The very first chapter of the book, also the first scene of the show has wights.Pretty big clue that this is a fantasy story with supernatural goings on.Not sure why people act surprised when supernatural things happened.It’s fantasy.Not historical fiction.

      But one of the main reasons people loved the first books is because main characters got killed dead. And then … voila! They ain’t dead at all. Changed, sure, but not gone. As characters keep getting deus ex’d it cheapens and dilutes a reader’s sense of loss.

      GM as buster of fantasy tropes my ass.

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    30. I knew a day like this would come- the downside of D&D steering away from many supernatural elements early in the story is that now, when they are becoming integral parts of the plot, they feel out of place to some of the Unsullied.

      All I can say is ya’ll better get on board the hype train, because Cleganebowl is going to be EPIC. Episode title: The Mountain and the Hound?

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    31. Pigeon:
      Well have fun LOLing and feeling cheated then.

      Why would I feel cheated? I will have a chuckle, possible shake of my head, and roll another number.

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    32. Man, some fans still eagerly expecting Syrio’s return must have been grievously disappointed on coming into the article and seeing that gif.

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    33. Robb Snow,

      Yes, I think that’s the most likely scenario.

      Hodor Hodorson:
      Man… Why, oh why on earth would the Faith chose a random hermit from a small community who is permanently injured on the leg as its champion???

      I think the Hound’s ending is perfect as it is right now in the books. He’s finally at peace.

      Completely agree.

      I’m not a fan of Cleganebowl. I believe that Robert Strong’s opponent will be Lancel…and that will be the end of Lancel. Sandor should remain on the Quiet Isle and away from the nonsense in KL.

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    34. Robb Snow: (Lancel will likely be the Faith’s champion instead

      I’m 100% with you on that idea. I hadn’t really thought about it before yesterday evening, but in arguing against Wimsey’s idea Kevan would fight the Mountain, it occurred to me it almost had to be Lancel who would fight him.

      Ashara D had an interesting theory on that, as well, having to do with Loras. I like the Lancel idea better, and think it far, far more likely, but it is a theory worth checking out. I think it is on the article Axey posted.

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    35. weirwoodtreehugger: Not sure why people act surprised when supernatural things happened.

      Because when ANYTHING can happen, who cares what happens? Nobody (at least not me) is saying you can’t have resurrections in fantasy, but when practically everyone come back, the stakes get lowered. You might have more latitude in a book, but on a TV show, it can become stupid pretty fast. D&D seems to be aware of this, and using it sparingly seems to be the smart way to go. Just enough magic where you don’t fee like it’s a deux ex machina.

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    36. weirwoodtreehugger:
      People, GRRM isn’t not allowing characters to stay dead because he doesn’t want to let go of them.

      Then why does he kill them in the first place? Why does he have them go through it? What purpose does it serve if they’re still going to come back? Those who were resurrected aren’t better characters because of it. Take LSH for example. A vengeful reanimated corpse. She’s a corny and silly plot device now. Catelyn’s character deserved better than this, even if it meant permanent death. Death not being final lessens the sense of danger, it emphasises the plot armour that the characters have.
      ‘Anyone can die’ huh? Sure but it’s likely they’ll be revived so no worries….

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    37. Paul:
      Maceless Fan,

      It makes no sense for the very reason that Sandor is a traitor to the crown and there has been a price in his head. How can the faith rely on someone in that position?

      Bad storytelling.

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    38. ASOIAF has prided itself on having ‘gritty realism’ despite its fantastical aspects. Characters miraculously surviving such predicaments like the one The Hound found himself in is not it. Requires too much suspension of disbelief.

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    39. Ravyn: Because when ANYTHING can happen, who cares what happens? Nobody (at least not me) is saying you can’t have resurrections in fantasy, but when practically everyone come back, the stakes get lowered. You might have more latitude in a book, but on a TV show, it can become stupid pretty fast. D&D seems to be aware of this, and using it sparingly seems to be the smart way to go. Just enough magic where you don’t fee like it’s a deux ex machina.

      There is no magic involved with the Hound.-

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    40. mariamb,

      I like the theory some have that

      Jaime will be the POV into the Riverlands and The Hounds reintroduction. Jaime discovering Joffrey’s old dog has lost his bite could be a lot of fun! XD

      I’m also curious if the rumors are true that Osha and Rickon will be returning and if so how will their introduction go…

      Like in the books I assumed Osha took Rickon to Skagos, but none of the casting leaks suggest that. Maybe she took him to one of the Northern Lords from the casting leaks or as unlikely as it seems to me, maybe Osha and Rickon ended up at the Quiet Isle?

      Events on the show may or may not happen in the same way as the upcoming TWOW, but it should provide some hints at GRRMs endgame. Now knowing what’s coming next makes the wait for next season so much more intense for me personally! Only one thing is certain… Season 6 is going to be very interesting!

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    41. phantomstrife:
      ASOIAF has prided itself on having‘gritty realism’ despite its fantastical aspects. Characters miraculously surviving such predicaments like the one The Hound found himself in is not it. Requires too much suspension of disbelief.

      There’s nothing unbelievable about The Hound surviving. If someone came along and tended to his wounds, then helped him get to shelter and fed him… that’s well within reason.

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    42. Enzo Cilenti was pretty memorable in his small role. I watched and enjoyed Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell quite a bit, but only today I realised that it was Cilenti who portrayed Childermass. He was outstanding in that role!

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    43. lol

      Hound is likely back if they are castng someone who sounds like Septon Meribald

      There is no Cleganebowl though, they obviously brought Lancel back for good reason, Franken-Mountain will rip Lancel apart and it will all be part of the Nobility/Church battle

      Lame Hound may play a role perhaps. It all rather depends on what exactly was the bloodmagic Qyburn used, and Gravedigger and Franken-Mountain are of same
      bloodline

      My personal theories revolve around the Gravedigger being a sombre assistant of sorts to Dark Queen Sansa operating out of Harrenhall using bloodmagic as a Lady Lothston MkII (I reckon she poisons Myrcella in the books too) and Franken-Mountain will be the equivalent for Cersei who will be pushed back to Casterly Rock

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    44. Paul,

      That is why Cleganebowl has never felt right to me as well… At least not Sandor vs Robert Strong in trial-by-combat for Cersei next season.

      Honestly, I like the idea of Sandor vs Gregor, but to me the bro vs bro fight would happen later in the series as part of the events building up to the endgame.

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    45. Paul:
      Maceless Fan,

      It makes no sense for the very reason that Sandor is a traitor to the crown and there has been a price in his head. How can the faith rely on someone in that position?

      Sandor (at this point) is not the same man he was. Also, if there’s anyone in this story that needs to kill Gregor, its Sandor. He can never truly be at peace while his brother (in one form or another) remains alive.

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    46. “Are you gonna die?”
      “Unless there’s a maester hiding behind the rock….”

      I assume there will be a merging of Meribald and the “Elder brother” in the show based on this casting call.

      “PRIEST, in his 40s or 50s. A gruff, ex-soldier who found religion. Now a no-nonsense rural priest who ministers to the poor of the countryside. He’s salt-of-the-earth man who has weathered many battles.”

      Was hiding behind the rock all along!

      F’ing confirmed

      !!!!!!!

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    47. mitch,

      “PRIEST, in his 40s or 50s. A gruff, ex-soldier who found religion. Now a no-nonsense rural priest who ministers to the poor of the countryside. He’s salt-of-the-earth man who has weathered many battles.”
      … and often seen hiding behind rocks..

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    48. GeekFurious: There’s nothing unbelievable about The Hound surviving. If someone came along and tended to his wounds, then helped him get to shelter and fed him… that’s well within reason.

      In the midst of the Mountain Clans territory. Some guy with a first aid kit just happens to stroll by. Sure. Very reasonable.

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    49. Ok but seriously….

      1. Hound surviving his injuries and doing Quiet Isle does not equal Cleganebowl.
      2. Makes a lot of sense for Lancel to fight (either vs Cersei or vs Loras’s trial by combats)
      3. It would be very interesting if it’s Jaime instead of Brienne, but I think Brienne can’t be ruled out. I think this really will depend on what changes are made to the AFFC and ADWD plots remaining for Brienne and Jaime, and what has really been cut versus what has been re-written and re-ordered. D&D could do some interesting stuff here..

      Rory Rocks!! 😀
      Glad Enzo might be back 🙂

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    50. Darquemode:
      Paul,

      That is why Cleganebowl has never felt right to me as well… At least not Sandor vs Robert Strong in trial-by-combat for Cersei next season.

      Honestly, I like the idea of Sandor vs Gregor, but to me the bro vs bro fight would happen later in the series as part of the events building up to the endgame.

      THIS. And Gregor is the aggressor. I don’t see why Sandor at Quiet Isle would know about the trial, know Gregor is Robert Strong, and have time/a better leg to fight. But can’t be ruled out 🙂

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    51. So how many CONFIRMED dead characters have come back from the dead so far? Three? It’s only actually one in the show (Beric), since it’s never established that Gregor actually dies (it seems he was only “treated” somehow) and Stoneheart is all but confirmed to be cut. Jon will likely make two, and it’ll presumably be done in a similar manner to Beric.

      Before someone gets smart with me, I don’t think wights really count since they’re just reanimated corpses under the control of the Others, and seemingly have no memory of who they were in life or really any kind of will of their own (which could also be said of Gregor in fact). I guess Coldhands could count, but he’s not in the show either.

      The Hound was never shown to have died and the idea that someone might’ve been nearby who saw what happened and went to help, or even went back to get help for him isn’t unfeasible at all.

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    52. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      It was more of a dramatic musing rather than a “theory,” triggered by lurking my way through the discussion of the Finn interview and his declaration of his favorite character and why he might say that. Lancel would actually work better and make more sense according to what we know.
      I’m not all in with Clegane Bowl, I’m just happy that Rory is returning. I loved the way that he was reintroduced in the books, so if D&D could keep that level of surprise, it would be really fun!

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    53. Ashara D,

      Even if it was just a “dramatic musing,” I liked it, and it made me think. Loras could take part in a trial by combat, either for himself, or as Margaery’s champion (or, hell, both). I don’t know why he’d fight the Mountain, unless Cersei somehow finagled it, and I don’t know the Faith would allow it, but…

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    54. The Hound isn’t resurrected. His wounds are patched up and is staying at the Quiet Isle. The Quiet Isle would learn about the trial from the traveling Septons. They could bring news of KL. The Hound finds out and travels to KL for the Faith. He faces his brother one last time. Cleganebowl.

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    55. Jaime’s girl,

      Yep.
      I don’t rule it out.. Hell I would love to see it play out on screen!

      I suspect Gregor-stein will play a role in Cersei reclaiming some semblance of power. In my mind she needs to be the de facto ruler (or key power player) in King’s Landing at the time of the endgame of the series. Cersei is connected to too many other characters and arcs to be out of KL on a tangent somewhere.. A season (a season and a half maybe) of her reclaiming some power with her monster on the rampage would reestablish Gregor on the series and provide enough time to have that news reach Sandor – Wherever he may be.

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    56. Jaime’s girl,

      Agree. Jaime running into Sandor as the Gravedigger could be an interesting encounter. With the changes made to his story line – and Brienne’s – its hard to guess what is coming for either of them in S6. I assume that they will meet again.

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    57. Rygar,

      Perhaps it wasn’t just one person either. Maybe it was a travelling group of members of the faith, one of whom was a maester. They could have been travelling the lands to the west of the Bloody Gate, between villages preaching/healing/whatever. Maybe it was a small troupe of Faith Militant, with a septon and a maester, recruiting and preaching in that area, stumbled upon him. For whatever reason, they’ll probably explain it next season and we can then judge.

      We also have no indication it was Mountain Clan territory – the rocky plains where the fight happened appeared very different to the forest in which Tyrion and Bronn were ambushed, and there was no indication that Sandor and Arya OR Brienne and Pod ever encountered Mountain Clans on their way to and/or from the Bloody Gate.

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    58. phantomstrife,

      Three is also an insignificant number of people compared to the number who have actually died.

      Though I’m sure we’ll be seeing many northern characters re-appear as wights. Won’t that be fun. 8)

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    59. Am I the only person who thinks all these characters coming back may cheapen the show … It happens in the books yes or at least it’s speculated but I for 1 think this show started off with a bang with characters dying in such realistic gruesome ways but now if we get said person coming back (yes we never saw him die but it was made to seem as if he was a goner ) Jon snow ,the mountain ,beric dondarian ,possibly stannis (thanx to that cut away) to me it’s like suddenly this is turning into the vampire diaries (ok maybe not to that extent but u get what I mean ) people dying or on the brink of death and coming back are gonna make this show just like every other crappy drama

      Don’t get me wrong I love the show there’s nothing I’m more obsessed with and I’m 1 of the LSH supporters because I wanted revenge but now that I think about it it just seems like too many are coming back

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    60. Although Cleganebowl always seemed like a fun idea, I could never really figure out how it would mesh with the whole idea of Sandor

      being at peace and having given up the Hound.

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    61. Vieira151:

      Though I’m sure we’ll be seeing many northern characters re-appear as wights. Won’t that be fun. 8)

      Stannis’s army just might win the Battle of Winterfell after all.

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    62. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Thanks! I was thinking Loras would fight as Marg’s champion in some weird showdown between Marg and Cercei. I was also thinking that he’d be there with Elder Bro on some errand of the faith–maybe Elder Bro gets summoned by the HS. He’d have no idea what was waiting for him in KL and he’d keep himself hidden–perhaps even from the audience–until he witnessed the trial and sussed out that one of the opponents was his brother and knew that only he could defeat such a creature. So dramatic, I know. ;-P
      We’re so in the dark these days that it is impossible to feel confident in any prediction, so I’ll just keep on letting my dramatic muse run wild.

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    63. AMAZING KNEWS, there´s some people i dont understand.

      HOW CAN SOMEONE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT????

      we never ever in the 5 seasons , have see a character die or left to die, come back later. (Beric don´t count, he comes back 5 seconds later) not even a BIG surprise or a Big character beric is/was.

      Benjen was never left for die or dies.
      Edmure is on dungeon
      black fish escaped
      gendry is rowing

      i don t get it

      ned is dead
      Vyserys is dead
      Khal drogo is dead
      Mormont is dead
      Robb is dead
      karstak is dead
      Jofrey is dead
      davos son is dead
      stannis is dead
      shae is dead
      twyn is dead
      renly is dead
      robert is dead
      Syrio is dead
      Lysa is dead
      Oberyn is dead
      Janos is dead
      M.Trant is dead
      etc is dead

      Whats up with ONE (awsome) character come back??? and he was never dead.

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    64. Sansa’s knight,

      Well, given they’ve omitted the two big “they’re dead…NOT” (at least for me)

      LSH and Young Griff

      , they made a point of informing the audience the Mountain was only mostly dead, and the last we saw the Hound, he was screaming for Arya to kill him, no I don’t think so. Really all we’ve gotten thus far on the show is Beric. It isn’t quite the overkill I felt when reading the books. That’s just me, though.

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    65. I really really hope that Sandor stays dead, despite how admittedly awesome a character he is.

      When I read his death in the books, it didn’t really mean anything to me. I had read so many fake-out deaths before, and Arya leaving the Hound to die more painfully felt like another attempt by Martin to try to surprise the audience.

      When I saw that same scene on the show, it meant a lot more to me, mostly because I really believed that when Arya left Sandor to die a painful death, that was actually going to happen. Maybe it was because of the circumstances (a lot more deserted), or because the show had avoided some of the fake-outs that Martin had over-used, but I really believed that was the end for the Hound, at it was more powerful for that reason.

      That scene doesn’t mean as much if Sandor turns out to be alive again. Arya’s decision means less when the natural consequences of that decision are robbed from her. I hope Rory is there for some other reason, would hate for that great farewell scene in Season 4 to be diminished.

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    66. Talking about returns..
      with the comfirmed/possible returns of:

      Bran
      Hodor
      Meera
      Tree eyed crow
      Walder frey
      Osha
      Rickon
      The hound
      Yara

      wee need/want now:
      Balon (Just to die)
      Gendry
      Edmure
      Blackfish
      Black walder frey and Lothar Frey ( i need this verms to die)
      Benjen
      LSH

      i forgot someone?

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    67. Sean C.:
      Rygar,

      In this case, continuity runs up against the writers’ changes to the plot, and continuity always loses those battles.

      Please do not repeat back to me the same fucking thing I have been saying using different words. Having someone save Sandor on the same road that Cat and Co got ambushed on is not very realistic. That is all I am saying.

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    68. Pigeon:
      Although Cleganebowl always seemed like a fun idea, I could never really figure out how it would mesh with the whole idea of Sandor

      Gregor is being forced to remain “alive” by Qyburn and Cersei. Sandor will want to end his brother’s suffering.

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    69. So with the Clegane brothers returning, it seems more likely Jon Snow isn’t? Would D&D overuse the fake-out deaths or resurrections like that in a short period of time? They’ve not put much focus on the concept until now. It seems to me like they’d want to avoid it or at least reduce it. Besides we actually saw Jon die and they’ve been insisting on him being dead and gone ever since. So that’s it huh?

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    70. Sergio,

      Especially with this news, although I was already more than fine with no LSH, I really don’t want her, now.

      As for Yara, I hope this season makes me like her a little more. I didn’t like Asha in the books (the Iron Islands were my least favorite parts of the books), and I don’t like her in the show, either. Some of that is due to pure lack of objectivity, though. Beyond not liking the Iron Islands in the books, the woman who plays Yara looks much like a woman in real life I can’t stand, so every time I see her on screen, I have an involuntary eye-roll reaction.

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    71. Redstar,

      There was no fake-out with the Hound. We never saw him die at all.

      And there’s no way in hell Jon is dead with him filming as much as he has been.

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    72. Sansa’s knight:
      Am I the only person who thinks all these characters coming back may cheapen the show … It happens in the books yes or at least it’s speculated but I for 1 think this show started off with a bang with characters dying in such realistic gruesome ways but now if we get said person coming back (yes we never saw him die but it was made to seem as if he was a goner ) Jon snow ,the mountain ,beric dondarian ,possibly stannis (thanx to that cut away) to me it’s like suddenly this is turning into the vampire diaries (ok maybe not to that extent but u get what I mean ) people dying or on the brink of death and coming back are gonna make this show just like every other crappy drama

      Don’t get me wrong I love the show there’s nothing I’m more obsessed with and I’m 1 of the LSH supporters because I wanted revenge but now that I think about it it just seems like too many are coming back

      Tbf the Mountain hasn’t really come back as such, rather there is some kind of abomination created out of him

      Agree there needs to be some care taken

      If Jon Snow comes back it would be as Azor Ahai, I suspect he may be very different in his mannerisms etc. I Suspect it may even be like Lady Stoneheart where he is no longer a POV character?

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    73. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      heh, the worst part about being in the “Dorne sucked more!” camp was that it sometimes felt like I was defending the Iron Islands stuff, even if “it sucked less” is not much of a defense.

      I am curious what they will be doing with Yara this year. I could see her winding up with Theon and Sansa (I suspect that the book is partially headed that way) or turning up to support Daenyrs. However, I would not bet much on either of those scenarios: they are stabs in the dark.

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    74. Sue the Fury,

      Let me correct this for you…

      “There was no fake-out with the Hound. We never saw him die at all.

      And there’s no way in hell Jon stays dead with Kit filming as much as he has been.”

      There, all better =)

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    75. Big Mac,

      heh, sure, it will go like this:

      Loras: “Sandor! You just ended the zombie Gregor’s suffering!”
      Sandor: “Gregor was a BLEEP suffering zombie? BLEEP.”

      And then Matt Groening sued….

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    76. Ghost’s Lunch,

      If GRRM throws away 4 stories of character development like that, then it will be a crime against literature. Jon will still be Jon, albeit modified by the trauma. We can make identical statements for every other major character at this point. How the “Big Five” (or maybe Six) evolve in response to these traumas and other things will be the story of the whole series. Metamorphosis into some messianic figure would probably damage the over-arching story hugely.

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    77. Personally I don’t think Cleganebowl will be as many fans expect. It will occur either when RS heads north with the southern armies to stop the WW, or the north flees south to evade the WW and the two bro’s will come face to face at some point and their epic struggle begins. The setting could be a wintry scape, alleyway, keep or battlefield, What will Hype never dies, but rises as greater Hype.

      Thanks for the video, love it:)

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    78. Rygar:
      Oh yippie yay, the dream continues. Now, the Hound can come back from certain death and has the opportunity to fullfill his lifelong dream of killing his own brother, who just so happens to be a fucking Frankenstein, with no memory whatsoever.Great. Writing. GM.

      I think I’ll pass.Gas.

      Get hype?Get fucked.

      THIS. All of this.

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    79. oier,

      I guess there WAS maester behind that rock, after all!

      Actually, if you pay attention to the scene you may notice a figure in the distance appearing and disappearing has it walks; it’s either elder brother or bad editing and the camera caught some lone hiker in the distance.

      My bittersweet ending, Arya and Hound walking off into the sunset leaving a ruined Westeros behind them.

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    80. I don’t think Sandor really wants to kill his brother. I think he’s coming back for an important storyline with Sansa.

      So SanSan, rather than Cleganebowl. But I do think he will be in fighting form again (recover from his injury).

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    81. Holy fucking shit I’m so excited to see that big beautiful man on my TV screen again!!!!!! Omfg omfg omfg I’m sooooo excited.

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    82. Pigeon:
      People seem to have missed the fact that Sandor was very obviously left alive…

      Will be very happy to see my favourite character/GOT actor back again. The only negative will be the creepy fanfic shippers – I doubt Rory would come back if that was even a possibility, given how much he is creeped out by it.

      Well, Sophie Turner has grown a lot. One might say she’s an adult, and a beautiful one at that. He may not be opposed to a SanSan ship now that she’s older. I’ve dated older men. The oldest was 45 when I was 23. Not that creepy.

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    83. I’m surprised by the negative reaction this news is receiving. In both the books and show, the Hound is never confirmed dead. In fact, the way it was handled in the show screamed he would not die, literally, as he was screaming at the top of his lungs as Arya walked away. It’s not hard to imagine that

      Septon Elder Brother

      stumbled upon him.

      To me, the only true “resurrection” in the show will be Jon. Beric was a blink and you’ll miss him character, who served to set up the Rh’llor resurrection gun for Jon. The Mountain is just a wight. So that leaves us with 1 truly resurrected main character, and he’s likely the most important character in the story. So I’d hardly say the show is overdoing it.

      Gods, this is news to rejoice over, instead we have a few party poopers. Teh hell with that. GET HYPE!!!

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    84. dothrakian raven,

      Quaithe is one character i wish the show had done more justice. I was so hoping she would appear to Dany on the balcony last season, but all we got was Drogon. Lost with the others on Gendry’s rowboat. .

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    85. K Noelle,

      He needs someone who can kick ass in her own right, like Brienne. Actually, he doesn’t need anyone. Fans who need to pair everyone up are baffling to me. I suppose most people think everyone needs to be, but the romance novel fantasies have never been appealing to me.

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    86. I’ve always hoped Sandor would come back into Sansa’s storyline somehow. They thought about each other in the book after seperating if I remember correctly? After killing the hound he might be kinder and gentler and will finally be the hero that she needs at the end of her terrible story, or maybe she just ends up killing him instead.

      Also I’m not bothered that a few characters have been “brought back,” They’ve killed off almost everyone, there does have to be a few characters people are invested in from the beginning make it to the end! Plus they’ve all been set up correctly so that it makes sense in this world to see them again without having it be unbelievable.

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    87. phantomstrife: Then why does he kill them in the first place? Why does he have them go through it? What purpose does it serve if they’re still going to come back? Those who were resurrected aren’t better characters because of it. Take LSH for example. A vengeful reanimated corpse. She’s a corny and silly plot device now. Catelyn’s character deserved better than this, even if it meant permanent death. Death not being final lessens the sense of danger, it emphasises the plot armour that the characters have.
      ‘Anyone can die’ huh? Sure but it’s likely they’ll be revived so no worries….

      The point he is making with the resurrections is that death CHANGES people. He showed it with Beric, LSH, Robert Strong. These “resurrected” people are mere shadows of their former selves, and lack what once made them human. That’s why it subverts the resurrection trope.

      It’s not like Catelyn came back as Catelyn.

      She’s changed, and not for the better.

      The Hound was never truly dead, though.

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    88. Are people really complaining because The Hound is back? Really? I can’t believe my eyes. I thought for a moment that I was on Westeros.org by mistake…

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    89. Look I love Rory as much as the next nerd and his acting in S4 was one of the highlights of this shows strongest season, however, I am not a fan of killing off characters and then having them not be dead. Yes yes yes, we didnt actually ‘see’ the Hound die, I get it. But the fact is, we are gonna have 2 characters that were killed off on the show return during the same season. And one of those characters, the same nihilistic character who tells everyone to Fuck Off or, more commonly, Fucks them up right off, who just wanted to end it all and begged a young girl to off him, is now suddenly going to be dramatically saved and find another purpose in life, perhaps a higher purpose????

      Excuse me. The sound you hear is my bowels having a moment. Strike a match.

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    90. K Noelle:
      Holy fucking shit I’m so excited to see that big beautiful man on my TV screen again!!!!!! Omfg omfg omfg I’m sooooo excited.

      Same reaction! 🙂

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    91. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Rygar,

      And he’ll be interacting with McShane. The Hound and Al Swearengen together. You’re really going to say no to that?

      …..um ok. If thats the truth then maybe there is a higher purpose. I will hold you to that pimpslap!!!

      Now give me a minute to adjust my crotch.

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    92. Pigeon:
      K Noelle,

      He needs someone who can kick ass in her own right, like Brienne. Actually, he doesn’t need anyone. Fans who need to pair everyone up are baffling to me. I suppose most people think everyone needs to be, but the romance novel fantasies have never been appealing to me.

      I don’t think everyone should be paired up. I hate romance novels, as well. Very few people in ASOIAF have happy pairings. I just wouldn’t mind seeing the two characters interact again, in the books or the show. I only root for SanSan because Sansa repeatedly thinks about the “un-kiss” in the books. She clearly has a crush on Sandor, her POV in the books seem to indicate as much.

      From her POV:
      “As the boy’s lips touched her own she found herself thinking of another kiss. She could still remember how it felt, when his cruel mouth pressed down on her own. He had come to Sansa in the darkness as green fire filled the sky. He took a song and a kiss, and left me nothing but a bloody cloak.[4]”

      Cmon, these two kids deserve a chance at happiness. Someone in the series does, at least. Romance tends to end badly or tragically in the ASOIAF world.

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    93. Rygar:
      And one of those characters, the same nihilistic character who tells everyone to Fuck Off or, more commonly, Fucks them up right off, who just wanted to end it all and begged a young girl to off him, is now suddenly going to be dramatically saved and find another purpose in life, perhaps a higher purpose????

      The Hound’s whole arc in the books is that his nihilism is a childish attempt to avoid dealing with his childhood trauma, and his experiences with the Stark girls bring to a crisis point his dissatisfaction with he way he’s been living. I don’t think the show did a very good job with this arc, but that’s his arc, nevertheless.

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    94. Rygar: I like where this is going….When Harry Met Sally fan?

      🙂 No.

      I think Rory and Ian acting together would be great. I would not say no to that at all. I was thinking Ian would be Randyll Tarly but I will accept Septon Meribald if it means these two guys are in the same place. It would the only acceptable alternative to Tarly for me.

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    95. Rygar:
      Oh fuck my life.Why not keep some characters dead for a change?

      Who are you referring to? The Hound? Last time we saw him, he was badly hurt and begging Arya to kill him, but still alive…

      anyone could have found him and helped him.

      .

      Great video of beautiful Girona!

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    96. Angela,

      I think I would only accept McShane in this role if, and that’s a questionable if, he interacts with Rory. Would hate to seem him bounce lines off the female Chewbacca only.

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    97. K Noelle: I only root for SanSan because Sansa repeatedly thinks about the “un-kiss” in the books. She clearly has a crush on Sandor, her POV in the books seem to indicate as much.

      And Sandor misses the little bird, too. Rory was so good in those scenes. I want to see more!

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    98. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Rygar,

      McShane and McCann. Sounds like a team to me.

      The best team.

      K Noelle: Holy fucking shit!!!!!! Two of the hottest men alive on screen together. YESSSSS FUCK YES. Omg.

      Prepare. It might be that small yet important role in the casting description for Ian.

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    99. Rygar:
      Angela,

      I think I would only accept McShane in this role if, and that’s a questionable if, he interacts with Rory.Would hate to seem him bounce lines off the female Chewbacca only.

      We need them to do scenes together.

      Rory + Ian= magic

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    100. This is thrilling! Rory is an excellent Sandor. Gravedigging keeps up his strength and he kills a dragon. Yeah, forget killing some creepy brother. A brother far, far more creepy than the other Stark sister, Sansa. The one he needs to have his happy memory with (and she needs a little happiness too, I suspect). You know, like ‘get her a dog happiness.’ Still need closure on this one.

      Weiss said he hoped fans would love the Hound, and low and behold, we did and do. Now make it a good one. One worth saving Sandor for.

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    101. Angela: We need them to do scenes together.

      Rory + Ian= magic

      Well then plus 1 for D&D again for potentially doing something that GM cannot. I don’t know why GM is so obsessed with ambiguity. Dialogue between those two characters would be amazing.

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    102. I really don’t get how people are surprised/pissed by this? The Hound had a life threatening injury, yes, but medicine seems to be oddly advanced in Westeros (see: Jon being healed from 3 arrow wounds, Jaime managing to survive his amputation, Qyburn healing Gregor etc). He didn’t die on screen/on the page, and the key to the scene is that Arya made her decision to turn her back on him believing that he *would* die. The gravity of her choice is not, in my opinion, altered by what happens to him subsequent to that.

      By hey, opinions, respect etc. Even if I don’t agree/understand.

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    103. Dark Lark:
      The one he needs to have his happy memory with (and she needs a little happiness too, I suspect). You know, like ‘get her a dog happiness.’

      Oh, that’s true! They both have happy quotes about each other. That was cool the way they tied that together. She is his one happy memory. And before, get her a dog, she’ll be happier for it.

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    104. Pigeon:

      I could never really figure out how it would mesh with the whole idea of Sandor being at peace and having given up the Hound.
      Like Arya, he just can’t quit being the Hound.

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    105. I am surprised that people believe that Sandor was dead. In the books, its pretty clear that Sandor is the gravedigger on Quite Isle.

      I think he is still the Hound and has more story to tell with one of the Stark sisters.

      The Gleganebowl was a fun idea early in the story, I think its too late in the story now – that ship has sailed.

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    106. tyjon,

      I just watched that clip and I only saw a few white sheep in the background. I am ALL for the Hound to return , Cleganebowl or not, but Cleganebowl would be much more awesomer. That’s what Gregor gets for burning his brother over a toy.

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    107. K Noelle,

      This is why I prefer the show in this particular aspect. 😉 Just….no. I’ve loved Rory since ‘The Book Group’, and his Sandor is brilliant, and I’d hate to be disappointed by that bizarre of a plot with everything else in the series that needs to happen. Gods, then I might have to agree with Rygar! 😛 At least, I suppose it would make some people happy.

      I think Sansa also needs a break from men for a bit. Her last ‘dog’ didn’t end up too well, either. (How much do I love that Sophie adopted ‘Lady’/Zunni? A lot!)

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    108. Rygar: Well then plus 1 for D&D again for potentially doing something that GM cannot.I don’t know why GM is so obsessed with ambiguity. Dialogue between those two characters would be amazing.

      It would be so great.

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    109. Rygar: Well then plus 1 for D&D again for potentially doing something that GM cannot.I don’t know why GM is so obsessed with ambiguity. Dialogue between those two characters would be amazing.

      I feel as though a lot of chickens would die in the process.

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    110. Rygar: In the midst of the Mountain Clans territory.Some guy with a first aid kit just happens to stroll by. Sure. Very reasonable.

      It´s hilarious how the bookwankers struggle to defend shitty writing.

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    111. Rygar: Please do not repeat back to me the same fucking thing I have been saying using different words. Having someone save Sandor on the same road that Cat and Co got ambushed on is not very realistic. That is all I am saying.

      Hey, please refrain from forcing Sean, Chriss and Touchy to conform to any type of realistic non-book writing. Thank you !

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    112. Maceless Fan,

      Not to bust ur balls but I’ve read all the books literally at least 5 times a piece. I’ve never once actually read anything that would ever make me think that the hound would have anything to do with the faith.i do get the theory behind it all and it’s possibly set up…redemption..revenge…closure…
      However…to assume the hound is gonna go all “faith wild”cause he’s been saved is lunacy.it truly would/will be character assassination….doesn’t matter if GRRM or d&d pull the trigger.
      Point of this is they are now obviously both setup todo more in this story..why does it automatically have to pertain to each other?or if they do…it’s total endgame at the least

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    113. oier: I guess there WAS maester behind that rock, after all!

      There were sheep grazing in the background of the Hound/Brienne brawl, meaning that at the very least there was a shepherd somewhere nearby.

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    114. Rygar,

      The White Walkers are coming. All the characters that died can become undead.
      So far, we didn’t see necromancy in the series. Some red god’s priestess, I suppose? 😛

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    115. I am horrifyed by “cleganbowl”, am I the only one? I’m super happy Sandor is back on screen so soon, but not for that. I’m 100% sure it won’t happen in the books, that doesn’t mean it can’t happen on the show since it’s basically another story by now, but I’ll be very disappointed in his character non-developement if it happens. After the Stark girls treatment, I expect Sandor not to be so tied to his Hound persona anymore.

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    116. Sue the Fury,

      It was implied Sandor’s a goner. So if he suddenly shows up, it’ll feel like his last scene was a fake-out.

      How do you how much filming he’s done? Just because he popped out in Belfast a few times doesn’t mean he’s filmed much. They finished filming the funeral a week ago, and he’s no longer in Belfast. The reason presents itself.

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    117. Hodor Hodorson,

      Why not? cersie will no doubt choose for trial by combat and if theories r correct hound is with some priest like folks probably connected to highsparrow.Very good chance hound may be nominated from their end.Hence Cleganebowl.Also Revenge for the burned face but thats just a theory coz in books the alleged new hound is a peaceful person.So lot to ponder over.

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    118. Rygar,

      Rygar: In the midst of the Mountain Clans territory.Some guy with a first aid kit just happens to stroll by. Sure. Very reasonable.

      look, if Arya could get through the Mountain Clans territory alive and well all by herself, so can an ex-soldier, veteran of may battles, now a wanderer rural priest who ministers to the poor of the countryside.

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    119. The showrunners have made some very questionable decisions. They give us the Clegane brothers back, but keep Catelyn dead (even though she returns in the books). They kill off Barristan Selmy, Myrcella, Stannis and Shireen, even though they’re still very much alive in the books. They show Jon Snow clearly die and not even hint at his potential comeback, while he’s still breathing at the end of his last ADWD chapter. If they bring The Hound back on the basis of never showing his death, then why stop there? Why wouldn’t they do the same with Stannis? I don’t buy the director’s flimsy excuse that showing his death would be gratuitous. In that very episode we had the brutal death of Meryn Trant and saw Jon, a bigger character than Stannis, get stabbed multiple times. They showed us those deaths. What’s so special about Stannis’ case that they decided to spare us the gruesome content? Did they ever say The Hound’s not coming back like they did with Stannis and Jon? If they planned on The Hound’s return, they might not have wanted to lie like that.

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    120. Ooh! I just thought of something!
      Perhaps mariamb is interested

      Since in the show, in a departure from the books, Petyr returns to KL and tells Cersei he knows Sansa is alive in WF, Boltons are betrayers. Cersei and Petyr go through options: Kevan could muster a force? Naw, courage of a kitchen mouse (aka fighting with Cersei). Jaime? Away on a sensitive diplomatic mission. Nooo idea when he’ll be back.

      Perhaps with Jaime’s inevitable return to KL, Cersei sends him North to resolve the situation. This is in line both with Jaime’s wish to be Arthur Dayne super knight, to defend his family (guilt over Tywin), and to rescue Sansa (restore honor, promise to Catelyn, goldenhand the just). This gets Jaime out of KL for Cersei’s trial, and sends him North toward SANDOR and the Quiet Isle, toward the Riverlands, and toward where Brienne is currently.

      As much as McShane and McCann would be amazing, I’m more feeling McShane as Tarly right now. But just because I want to see him angry 🙂

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    121. Count me in as one of the people who doesn’t understand why people can’t fathom the Hound surviving. The area they were in was well travelled enough that both the Hound and Brienne were familiar with it as a route to the Eyrie. Throw into the mix that we had Brienne screaming Arya as loud as she could and then a short while later the Hound screaming for Arya to kill him, is it really so hard to believe that someone or a group of someones who were travelling to/from the Eyrie and heard all that shouting managed to find him?

      As for the overuse of dead/not dead, I don’t really see that myself. So far in the story the only character we’ve had truly resurrected was Beric. Yes the Mountain seems to have been brought back, but not as the person he was. He’s a carcass, another wight at best and it seems highly unlikely he has any sort of future. He’s not a character any more. Even if we pull in the book characters we have LSH, again not a true resurrection, we don’t have Cat back with all her hopes, plans and story, just a shade of her who can only think of vengeance and it seems pretty clear that her story has no happy ending. We’re not gonna get to the end of ADoS and have LSH sitting in Winterfell being a mother to whichever children she has left. Cat is dead, her story is over, her corpse is a different matter but likely won’t be around for long. Then we have Young Griff, again not a true resurrection as he was never truly dead (assuming he is who he claims to be). It doesn’t require stretching the imagination to believe that he was swapped as a babe and it hardly counts as a character coming back since he never was a character to begin with, just a name we’d heard mentioned several times.

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    122. Maceless Fan,

      regarding these returns (spoilers): ‘In show continuety Yessan actually owns Jorah by now. They made a deal in ‘Hardhome’, where Jorah was permitted to fight in the pit against a promise that afterwards he would belong to Yessan forever. Jorah is now gonna go hunting for Dany with Dario, but if he returns to mereen halfway through the season, I can see that deal becoming a plot point. Otherwise I don’t really see how Yessan would be nessesary. Maybe only to have a known face on the slave traders. Anyway I’m glad. Continuety is always great and I agree with the general consensus that Cilenti was really good in his small role. He displayed the ‘slaver-arrogance’ really well.
      On the other hand, about McCanns possible return: I’m not even gonna try to explain how awesome I think that is. Actually I kinda have mixed feelings about those news. McCann is an amazing actor and what ever GRRM has got planned for his character will undoubtly turn out amazing on the screen. But his return also means, that the ‘tough-talking, salt-of-the-earth former soldier turned priest character’ is almost certainly either Meribald or Elder Brother, as I believe that character will have something to do with The Hounds’ return. And while those characters are both great in their own right and I’m looking forward to seing them, it also means that my tiny hope that that priest-character would be The Damphair has now been somewhat shot down. Oh well, I guess I should quit hoping for that one, be glad that we’re probably getting Euron, and maybe change my poster-name soon 🙂

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    123. Davos’ Luck,
      Exactly. I imagine those are the same people who has been complaining about the lack of LS for three seasons now. Now Rory is possible back and it’s a bad thing?? I checked westeros.org the other day, just out of coriousity. It cannot be regarded as a fansite anymore, it’s a complaining site. A place to go and rant about how bad the show is. Please that this site continue to be the opposite. To me, the new season sounds extremely promising. Popular characters returning (both heroes and villains), show favorite new characters joining the show, mix that with the fact that no one now knows what’s going to happen and the fact that last season ended with so many cliffhangers, I think this season will be the one to actually ‘break the internet’.

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    124. If anyone spots Clive Russel (Blackfish) or Clive Mantle (Greatjon)… think I might do a little sex wee…

      Season 6 is shaping up to be a great season by the looks of it. Looks like it should be good enough to make us all forget that Dorne fiasco last season…

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    125. Jaime’s girl,

      Yes, that scenario could work.

      I think that Jaime has to head back to KL soon. (I don’t believe that he is going to Meereen on the ship of death.) He and Cersei will have the necessary “split” and he will leave.

      Maybe the loss of his daughter makes him re-think his promise to Catelyn and he goes in search of Sansa. Or perhaps he heads to the Vale in a diplomatic mission of sorts.

      Perhaps Kevan – before he gets killed – could have Jaime fulfill some role in the field. I don’t think that Kevan and Pycelle will die early on in S6. Varys, as we know, is in Meereen.

      I think its easier to find a reason to put Jaime in the Riverlands or the Vale and have him meet Sandor. I’m having a harder time bringing Brienne south. Jaime and Brienne have to meet again.

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    126. On the Hound

      I don’t think the show will have any trouble showing what happens to him in a realistic way. Meribald will be a big strong guy believably ex-soldier but he’ll have a cart and transport a weak maybe blanked out Hound that way. What happens to the Hound is important to the books themes – he has a chance of peace and recovery – it is so much better than just having him end as a corpse

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    127. I hope there’s no Cleganebowl shit. Cersei’s trial is only 5 days after the end of the last book, she wins (which means his opponent is dead), Sandor is still injured, he must have a jetpack to fly to KL in time, the idea of the Butcher of Saltpans being a champion of the Faith is stupid and it ruins Sandor’s redemption development.

      But I suppose Disaster&Disgrace will do anyway, for the hype and because “they want to make it happen”.

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    128. Mace The Ace,

      There was no fiasco, only people who wanted to hate the show, from the begining, have finaly found a slightly less good story(I would personally give Dorne a 7/10, for the 10 min of screen-time it had). So they yell and scream like Dorne was a major plot line, when in fact it was a 10 min side-track to get Jaime away from KL.

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    129. Mihnea,

      I think it was just because Dorne had so much promise. The little we have experienced of Dorne (Oberyn) was amongst the best scenes in the show. The Dorne scenes in S5 just felt rushed and badly written. The fight scene with Jaime and the sand snakes was perfect example of this. They just happen to go for Myrcella at the exact same time, have a terribly choreographed fight and it’s over in like 3 minutes.

      I’m not one of the guys who constantly slags off Season 5. I think it’s a lot better than most are giving it credit for. Dorne was just not up to the standard of Game of Thrones in my opinion though.

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    130. Mace The Ace,

      As i said, this was a 10 min side-track for Jaime to get away from KL
      I won’t comment the fight as i’m not a expert, but when i first saw it i tought it was preaty good.

      And Jaime arriving at the same time as the SS is simply a needed coincidence. This must happen for us to have a story at all.
      Bronn happening to be at the same inn, as Tyrion at that exact time.
      Robert being away just when Ned finds about Cersei’s children
      Robb and Talisa meeting…..etc.

      These are all coincidences, but they must happen to have a story. That’s how I see TV/Movies/Books. All of these stories are just coincidences, every thing happening at the right time.

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    131. I’ll never understand the hype for the return of The Hound, it seems quite useless… A battle between the Celgane brothers could be entertaining but what else? What will happen to the character when it’s over? Will he die again? Will he become a good guy and serve someone? All the options seem quite boring. His death while protecting Arya was satisfying, and the idea of him being on a quiet Island with some priests was also satisfying. If he comes back to be a brute again or become a good guy, it’s all wortheless.

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    132. Damphairintheshowplease!,

      I don’t visit Westeros.org much nowadays but I do sometimes look at things like the “GoT actors in other stuff” thread. I don’t read the things like who they think are bad miscasts anymore though. Their non-show threads maybe are more on point but many of the show related ones read like threads on GOMI (“Get off my internets”). I only recently learned about the “Requires Hate” internet troll – nothing to do with GOMI (apparently a sweet young science fiction writer was “outed” as also being a particularly active internet troll) and I don’t think the Westerosis are quite of that level of toxicity. Mind you I would much prefer that the people who vent their spleen at westeros.org do it there so that I don’t have to endure it here.

      If Yezzan is back, as people are familiar with the actor now, maybe they are giving him one or more of the sub-plots of another minor character from ADWD, though I can’t imagine which one. To be honest I can’t remember the names of many of the minor characters. I do remember that while I was reading the book I had to often refer to the glossary of characters to remind myself who some characters were.

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    133. mariamb,

      Agreed on all counts. No to Jaime on the ship across the sea, and yes, easier to get Jaime to Sandor than Brienne to Sandor. Very curious as to how this will go down…

      As for Kevan, I am hoping you’re right. I’d like to see some more Kevan/Cersei interactions. I love Ian Gelder as Kevan too. His scene in the small council room last year with her was great. Perhaps a bigger role especially with Lancel’s increased prominence. Varys being away makes me hope we get Kevan at least til the end of the season (could be an episode 10 surprise death or similar).

      Lena-Watch update:
      I don’t know what the source is but apparently Lena Headey and kids were in the airport at LA in the last 24 hrs.
      https://twitter.com/lenaheadeygang/status/635749969874579456
      I will ask @lenaheadeygang but anyone know if this is confirmed?

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    134. The Hound is dead and Sandor Clegane is at peace.

      This from the book, indicates strongly that Sandor Clegane will return a changed man. But how will he be changed?

      He spat on honor, wows, rules and titles. Will we see him returned as devoted to the faith, suddenly found something to believe in?

      I like how characters stay true to their alignment in Game of Thrones. So far only Jamie has really changed, after losing his hand. Even Tyrion, after everything he’s been through, is still pretty much the same old Tyrion.

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    135. SlayerNina:
      I hope there’s no Cleganebowl shit. Cersei’s trial is only 5 days after the end of the last book, she wins (which means his opponent is dead), Sandor is still injured, he must have a jetpack to fly to KL in time, the idea of the Butcher of Saltpans being a champion of the Faith is stupid and it ruins Sandor’s redemption development.

      But I suppose Disaster&Disgrace will do anyway, for the hype and because “they want to make it happen”.

      You’re making a classic mistake. You’re taking references from the book that the show can very much change at a heartbeat. Cersei’s trial is five days after the end of the last book you say? I have not seen any confirmation of that timeline being in the show.

      If you remember, Pycelle and Kevan haven’t even died yet

      . So the show is already stretching time there. Also, remember how quick Littlefinger arrived in KL, coming down all the way from Winterfell?

      Sandor is still injured? In the books perhaps, in the show, he just had a festering wound on his neck. Perhaps a broken leg, but we didn’t really see it clearly enough to remember that, as opposed to Ned being stabbed in the back of the leg for example.

      And Sandor Clegane being the Butcher of Saltpans? That’s pretty much a book-obscurity and nothing else. So the idea of Sandor Clegane, who’s not perceived as the Butcher of Saltpans traveling with Septon Meribald on orders from the High Sparrow, to KL from somewhere way nearer than Winterfell, to serve the Faith, isn’t that incomprehensible.

      D&D are taking the major notes from GrrM and are trying to make a sensible final two/three seasons out of them. The fact that the Northern-arc got condensed should’ve made you aware of that, there literally is no time to put in all the book nonsense, like Frey Pie. Yes, perhaps awesome and the entire Ghost in Winterfell-arc is awesome as well, but you could fill an entire season with that quite honestly and D&D simply don’t have that luxury.

      Dame of Mercia:
      Damphairintheshowplease!,
      If Yezzan is back, as people are familiar with the actor now, maybe they are giving him one or more of the sub-plots of another minor character from ADWD, though I can’t imagine which one. To be honest I can’t remember the names of many of the minor characters. I do remember that while I was reading the book I had to often refer to the glossary of characters to remind myself who some characters were.

      Yezzan from the show is different from the books. Iirc, book Yezzan is a Yunkish noble, that simply wants obscurities for his freakshow cabinet,

      while laying his fat yellow belly in front of Meereen during the siege.

      Show Yezzan is a merchant that provides fighters for slave-pits. What’s most likely is that he’ll come back because he now owns Jorah. Perhaps with Jorah being “patient 0”, Yezzan may be turned into “patient 1” in a scene where he grabs Jorah by the arm if/when Jorah coldshoulders him. And than he could be a face for the anti-Dany/Yunkish

      I’m usually pretty good with remembering every “zo”, “no”, “mo” and “ho” from the books, but even I needed the glossary for some of the Yunkish.

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    136. LOVE IT. If you’re a book reader you already knew the Hound never died though, he just started burying people 😀 @Rygar, quit reading the books, watching the show, and commenting on ASOIAF fan sites then? You’d probably be happier for it. Unless you’re one of those people who are only happy when they’re angry, in which case go fuck yourself troll.

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    137. Rygar,

      No. I wanna see Syrio. No Fucking way he’s dead.

      Cumsprite,

      Let’s not forget that people also loved the last books. One of the reasons would be resurrection or return from the land of the dead of beloved characters (or future foreshadowing of such)

      Cherrypicking of audience, Mr. Sprite? Tsk, tsk… Shame, shame, shame.

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    138. Piyush Sharma,

      I already said why (I guess you probably haven’t seen that specific comment):

      Why, oh why on earth would the Faith chose a random hermit from a small community who is permanently injured on the leg as its champion???

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    139. John Courage:
      LOVE IT. If you’re a book reader you already knew the Hound never died though, he just started burying people @Rygar, quit reading the books, watching the show, and commenting on ASOIAF fan sites then? You’d probably be happier for it. Unless you’re one of those people who are only happy when they’re angry, in which case go fuck yourself troll.

      There was a fella in an ASOIAF discussion thread who posted walls of text about how Sandor was dead and gone. He was really adamant about it. So not everyone who read the books (and he was a die-hard reader, obsessed, maybe unhealthily so). I came up with a great nickname for that guy, but it would be uncouth for me to share it here. Truly one of my finest moments at Amazon.

      And Ry don’t troll much. That’s really how he be. Way to be, Ry. Way to be.

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    140. Tormund’s Woman,

      Cherrypicking? Hardly. This place is like a home away from home. Expect me to be posting a shit ton more in the future.

      And, please, Mr. Sprite was my seminal vesicle’s name, you can call me Cum.

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    141. The Hound was not left for dead in the middle of Mountain Tribe territory. The fight between Sandor and Brenner happened about ten miles from the Bloody Gate. Go watch the episode again: the distance is very clearly spelled out.

      Furthermore, the fight was on top of a mountain that Sandor then falls off of. This would have been visible for miles. Any maester worth his links would have headed that direction to see if he could have been of assistance to the victor or loser or both.

      So, yes, I have been looking forward to hearing Rory say “There was a bloody maester behind the rock” since that scene ended.

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    142. Ser Oromis Locke,

      Yes, I was posting stuff regarding the books. But in the show, there’s still that little detail about a bone piercing Sandor’s skin and no jetpack could fix that… And yet, how Sandor knew about Frankengregor, Cersei, KL stuff and being the champion of the Faith? Do you really imagine a scene between the High Sparrow and Sandor in disguise about “ey, I’m a nobody, what if I’m the champion of the most important trial ever?”

      However, I trust HBO’s logic about doing or changing things for the hype LOL

      BTW, I’m doing in a forum a rewatching analysis of the show, and if you quit the extended original plots and characters, excepting season 1, you have almost from 1 to 3 hours per season of free time to do things XD

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    143. Cumsprite,

      I’m shaking in my flip flops, Mr. Sprite! #BringIt
      #HitMeWithYourBestShot

      And yes, you heard me: CHERRY. PICKING. CHERRYPICKING. Reading the forums, browsing the ASoIaF fandom, commenting with my book peeps make me think we, the Storm, Dance & Feast lovers who enjoyed all that coming back from the dead that was promised, feel left out of your little commment there. So… Cherry picking the audience sounds about right.

      PS. You’ll always be Mr. Sprite to me.

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    144. Joseph Nobles,

      You made me laugh with any maester worth his salt!!! There was no maester at the Bloody Gate or thereabouts IIRC but one knows the gun was hung on the wall when the maester line was delivered! Sandor lives!!! In the words of every Cleganebowl lover: #GetHype

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    145. Sansa’s knight,

      There were hardly any left dude. The story won’t really have gone too well with so less characters. They had 2 options- Either to get some new characters or resurrecting a few older ones. The latter seems a better option as it is painful to get too many new characters and build a whole new background for them and secondly, the resurrected ones are already powerful characters and have a real strong oart in the show. If you missed it this is why a certain death for them was never confirmed in the previous seasons. They supposedly already had this plans in mind. Moreover , you just can’t despise the show for such a thing. Fantasy is very much a genre of the show otherwise how do you justify Dragons, Blood magic, or even the White Walkers? For what I feel this is no show for Fantasy-Haters and those who so far believed in the previous ones, won’t really mind to digest the new WELCOME changes. It’s a fantasy show after all, not House of Cards. 😉

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    146. Tormund’s Woman:
      Cumsprite,

      PS. You’ll always be Mr. Sprite to me.

      Rude! But maybe I was a little insensitive by not tailoring my post to encompass the people who like all the rezzing in the books. I am still learning about privilege, and believe you me it has been quite the education. Next time I will be less ableist and do my best to make the AFFC/ADWD lovers feel as if their opinions matter.

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    147. phantomstrife,

      Gregor Clegane

      is dead, part of his body was reanimated by Qyburn to create the creature who is now Robert Strong. Gregor Clegane is still dead and Robert Strong is nothing but a Frankenstein type of monster. The Hound did not die on the page or on the screen. Arya leaves a wounded Sandor who begs for mercy but who nonetheless is left alive. There’s nothing illogical about a Septon Meribald type of person wandering nearby who offers him help and transports a wounded Sandor to the Quite Isles where he heals further. I will agree that Jon was murdered by his brothers and I will agree that the chances of him being resuscitated are high (and I so very hope so, I would sacrifice all characters for Jon). If so, aside from Beric, he would be the only other character to come back to life as his self. Granted he may also come back as unJon which would not be really Jon the same way that Lady Stoneheart is not Cat Tully.

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    148. SlayerNina:
      I hope there’s no

      Cleganebowl shit. Cersei’s trial is only 5 days after the end of the last book, she wins (which means his opponent is dead), Sandor is still injured, he must have a jetpack to fly to KL in time, the idea of the Butcher of Saltpans being a champion of the Faith is stupid and it ruins Sandor’s redemption development.

      But I suppose Disaster&Disgrace will do anyway, for the hype and because “they want to make it happen”.

      Could we please refrain from using these trite name callings at least here and keep the discussion at civil levels? There’s plenty of space on another website for this (one site I stop reading just because of this bad habit).

      You can express your opinion without using those offensive nicknames, don’t you agree?

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    149. Adam,

      I imagine the episode title being something more ambiguous and could pertain to other storylines.

      Like “Brothers” (let your imagination run wild with that title – the cleganes, jon and the nights watch, the stark brothers, Jaime and Tyrion, Brotherhood without Banners, flashback of Ned and Robert as kids, etc)

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    150. Kundry,

      They spit on Martin’s job, on readers, on show fans, on Martin himself and they truly believe their story is better and don’t listen to the creator, the critics or their own actors complaints. Which is specially harmful because they are a bunch of mediocre writers with really, really inflated egos and 0 shame. I’m not criticising their job (which I do, a bit) but what piss me off is how they treat real people overall. I think that’s a legitimate reason to put them nicknames.

      But ok, I will restraint myself next time.

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    151. Cumsprite,

      Well, since you are so nice, not half as snarky as expected, AND acknowledged your CHERRY PICKING the audience to support YOUR argument, I see no reason to pull out my gun.

      Don’t strain too hard to include us the Dance & Feast lovers. We wouldn’t want you to pull a neuron. We like it just the the way it is, Mr Sprite. Riding Hank and everything.

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    152. SlayerNina:
      Kundry,

      They spit on Martin’s job, on readers, on show fans, on Martin himself and they truly believe their story is better and don’t listen to the creator, the critics or their own actors complaints. Which is specially harmful because they are a bunch of mediocre writers with really, really inflated egos and 0 shame. I’m not criticising their job (which I do, a bit) but what piss me off is how they treat real people overall. I think that’s a legitimate reason to put them nicknames.

      But ok, I will restraint myself next time.

      Do you have any actual evidence of this, and I mean evidence, not just your opinion.

      Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and if that’s your opinion, fine, but you’re stating these things as facts. So, what do have to back up these supposed facts? Or, are you just talking out your ass?

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    153. Man, this discussion turned really negative and toxic. I expected much more excitement over a Rory McCann sighting and the prospect of The Hound really returning. Boy, was I wrong.

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    154. SlayerNina,

      I’m a book reader and a show watcher and I have never felt like I was being spat on once. In fact, I don’t even know what you mean by that. Your opinion that the writing is mediocre is shared by the few, and yet you feel they need to heed the advice of the minority. It’s not the showrunners’ job to cater to book purists or even to Martin himself. It is their job to create the best show possible, and judging from the critical acclaim, viewership numbers, and award nominations, I think it’s safe to say they have succeeded.

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    155. Robb Snow,

      If you eliminate the few who are being exceptionally negative, there is a lot of excitement. There are just a few who can’t seem to bear the thought people are excited and thrilled over what we’re learning about next season and really looking forward to it.

      Illegitimi non carborundum 🙂

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    156. 1. NO PERSONAL ATTACKS.

      2. COVER YOUR SPOILERS.

      I don’t care if you’re happy about someone returning or not, but you need to cover your book spoilers.

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    157. How many storylines they will have in S6?

      They will merge during the season, but at the beginning they will have 15 storylines?!

      1- Sansa/Theon (/Brienne?)
      2. Boltons
      3. LF
      4. The Wall
      5. The Iron Islands
      6. Dorne
      7. Meereen
      8. Dany
      9. Bran
      10. Sam
      11. Riverlands (Freys) and Jaime??
      12. Riverlands(The Hound) with someone?
      13. KL
      14. Bravos
      15. Daario/Jorah

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    158. SlayerNina,

      Are you serious? LOL

      They spit on Martin’s job.

      r. I’m sure you didn’t even hear of this story before D&D made this show.

      on show fans

      By making the most popular HBO show in history?

      on Martin himself

      By increasing sales by 800%? This is the official number

      and they truly believe their story is better

      Well, I think their story is better, but they never said this.

      and don’t listen to the creator

      GRRM has more influence than any writer in adaptation. He was even writer on the show. They are working with him every year when they are writing new season.

      the critics

      24 Emmy nomonations? 97% at rotten tomatoes? 91 on metacritic? Lol

      or their own actors complaints

      ???

      really, really inflated egos and 0 shame

      Nonsense.

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    159. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Reading between lines their interviews always give that feeling. They replace important characters or plots to make place to their original characters. They don’t understand characters, plots or themes at all. And a lot of their way to write characters is clearly biased on their fan favourites (specially all surrounding Tyrion, Cersei and Daenerys, and that’s not a secret) and at the same time, they erased, change or kill the ones they don’t like.

      Talking about real life shit… Ros’ character was killed in an humiliated, unnecesary and sexual way only because Esme Bianco refuse to do more nude scenes. In season 4 the cat/Tommen/Margaery scene was way heavier but they changed it because Natalie Dormer herself pressed them. The casting call for Tyene’s character was the infamous boobs scene and they changed the casting call age to cast 18-19 actresses instead the 23 year old and the purpose of the scene was boooobs again. They recast Myrcella for a two years old-younger-than-the-first-one and put her showing a barely legal cleveage (look at the promotional photos, you almost can see her breasts!) and didn’t tell Aimee Richardson that she didn’t come back. They were planning Jeyne’s Poole plot with Sansa since season 2, which means they were giving instructions to a 14 yeard old actress (showing us a more violent sexual scene than the books meanwhile) and literally counting the days until she was non jailbait to go on full rape. That’s pretty fucked up, don’t you think?

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    160. Young Dragon,

      You need a bad pussy.

      And nominations don’t mean anything to me if Peter Dinklage got an Emmy and Alfie Allen not, or Emilia Clarke wining, or if they nominated the episode of the most awful fight scene ever.

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    161. mau,

      Yes, I never heard about ASOIAF before the show. But neither do I about Twilight or 50 shades of Grey, so it means the movies are good?

      On critics if you look closely, they say Transformers is also a good film.

      And Martin says in every. fucking. interview. that “the show is the show, the books are the books”; that he doesn’t have any power at the show and that “HBO is doing the best show they can” (interpret this the way you want).

      Don’t misunderstand me. I strongly believe overall the acting, the cast, the FX, the music and most of its scenes are amazing. Season 1 makes me scream in delight, season 2 and 3 have a really good adaptation choices and invented scenes. But after that (and for some characters or plots this started before), they’re ruining it, no matter what you say. Even Unsullied sometimes ask me “WTF are they doing” or “LOL that’s absurd!”. And the worst part is HBO writers believe they’re improving each year giving the numbers, or is the books fault. Seriously, in which universe show!Dorne is better than book!Dorne, or that we are interested in Olly’s face or GreyxMissandei romance, or the stupid candle thing? No way Dinklage, Hill, or Dormer awesome skills can erase the cringeworthy scenes of Tyrion the savior of Meereen “just because” or Varys the c*cksucker Targaryen-Tyrion or Mean Girls Margaery.

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    162. SlayerNina:
      Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      They replace important characters or plots to make place to their original characters.

      Such a crime. They are writers and they are writing. How dare they?

      They don’t understand characters, plots or themes at all.

      Oh, it is really hard to understand this story. The most complex story ever told. GRRM is real genius, ist he?

      And a lot of their way to write characters is clearly biased on their fan favourites and at the same time, they erased, change or kill the ones they don’t like.

      Just like GRRM. He gave Tyrion 12 chapters in ADWD with no plot at all.
      This is their story and they can do whatever they want.

      Ros’ character was killed in an humiliated, unnecesary and sexual way only because Esme Bianco refuse to do more nude scenes.

      Do you have any proof for this? Unnecessary? And how you know what is unnecessary? Ross was their character in their story, they didn’t feel there was anythnig left for her.

      You complained because they created original characters, and now you arecomplaining because they are killing them. No comment.

      The casting call for Tyene’s character was the infamous boobs scene and they changed the casting call age to cast 18-19 actresses instead the 23 year old and the purpose of the scene was boooobs again.

      Proof?

      They recast Myrcella for a two years old-younger-than-the-first-one and put her showing a barely legal cleveage (look at the promotional photos, you almost can see her breasts!) and didn’t tell Aimee Richardson that she didn’t come back.

      Who is Aimee Richardson? Extra in S2.

      They were planning Jeyne’s Poole plot with Sansa since season 2, which means they were giving instructions to a 14 yeard old actress (showing us a more violent sexual scene than the books meanwhile) and literally counting the days until she was non jailbait to go on full rape.

      Can I tell you a secret? Sanasa does not exist. The actress who plays her was not raped, it was all fake and it is a great challenge for every actor to do scenes like that. Bigger challenge then being a baby sitter anyway. Just like it was great challenge to do RW.

      More violent sexual scene than the books? Complete lie.

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    163. Robb Snow:
      Man, this discussion turned really negative and toxic. I expected much more excitement over a Rory McCann sighting and the prospect of The Hound really returning. Boy, was I wrong.

      I agree, it would be nice for the “Hound’ to return. I liked his story line. And whatever their plans are for him for S6, folks, wait until we see. I come here to see what theories/ideas/hopes/wishes are bouncing around. No need making it personal. And thanks to the mods to keep us informed.

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    164. SlayerNina,

      Reading between the lines gives you that feeling? Ok, so, your earlier statement about them was opinion, not fact.

      Do you have evidence Ros’ character was killed the way she was because she didn’t want to do more nude scenes?

      Regarding the Margaery/Tommen/Ser Pounce scene, um, didn’t you say earlier they didn’t listen to their actors? Just now you said they altered the scene at Dormer’s insistence, but thanks for refuting your own statement.

      The original casting call for the Sand Snakes stated the ages would range from 18-25. Tyene is the youngest of the Sand Snakes, thus it stands to reason she would likely be the youngest of the 3 cast.

      Do you have evidence they didn’t tell Aimee Richardson she wasn’t coming back?
      I have no idea what “barely legal” cleavage you mean.

      As for what you say about Sansa, on what planet is what they showed in the show more of a violent sexual scene than what happened to Jayne Poole in the books??? I don’t even know what you mean about giving instructions to a 14 year old actress. As far as your statement about them literally counting the days until they could go full-on rape with her is just…wow. I’ll just say the problem does not appear to be with them.

      So, yeah, all those things you stated as fact are either your opinion, or the product of your imagination, unless, that is, you can come up with evidence for even one of your contentions, not what you think or what you heard, actual evidence. Just one.

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    165. SlayerNina:
      mau,

      Yes, I never heard about ASOIAF before the show. But neither do I about Twilight or 50 shades of Grey, so it means the movies are good?

      Point missed

      On critics if you look closely, they say Transformers is also a good film.

      In which universe?

      And Martin says in every. fucking. interview. that “the show is the show, the books are the books”; that he doesn’t have any power at the show and that “HBO is doing the best show they can”

      GRRM is irresponsible person. He shouldn’t be in charge of the show. I didn’t say he was the main writer. thanks god, I said he plays a role in making of this show.

      Even Unsullied sometimes ask me “WTF are they doing” or “LOL that’s absurd!”.

      “Unsullied” have problems with things from the books (too slow, Dany in Essos, no WW,..) much more that with show original content. With show original content they get plot moving, that is something GRRM forgot 15 years ago.

      In every show you will find “LOL that’s absurd!” moments.

      And the worst part is HBO writers believe they’re improving each year giving the numbers, or is the books fault.

      But they are improving. No LSH, no YG, no Victarion, no Quentyn , no Vale plot, no Brienne’s filler, Dany and Tyrion meeting, Hardhome,…

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    166. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      SlayerNina,
      Do you have evidence Ros’ character was killed the way she was because she didn’t want to do more nude scenes?

      I believe that is some conspiracy theory from westerios.org, because they will tell you that D&D are crazy maniacal rapist, women abusers and monsters.

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    167. Sue the Fury:
      Jaime’s girl,

      Yeah there’s no way in hell I’m posting paparazzi pics of Lena and her kids. But hopefully she’s headed to Belfast.

      Very good form 🙂 We know WotW is classy 🙂
      Yeah sadly the article was just paparazzi of Lena and kids at LAX, simply confirming she went to the airport, not where she flew.. fingers crossed for Belfast or Spain 🙂

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    168. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      SlayerNina,

      So, yeah, all those things you stated as fact are either your opinion, or the product of your imagination, unless, that is, you can come up with evidence for even one of your contentions, not what you think or what you heard, actual evidence. Just one.

      This sums up everything nicely.

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    169. mau: I believe that is some conspiracy theory from westerios.org, because they will tell you that D&D are crazy maniacal rapist, women abusers and monsters.

      I think we have the answer. Yay! Mystery solved! It was so exhuasting trying to crack that case. 🙂

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    170. Angela: This sums up everything nicely.

      Agreed. It was not my intention to start such a discussion, everyone is entitled to their own opinion as far as opionions are not presented as facts ( without evidence!).

      And I can’t just stand namecalling on people who are working, it’s very unrespectful.

      On topic: I am very happy about Rory return and I am looking forward to seeing what will happen with him!

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    171. mau,

      Yep. Those sort of thoughts really reflect more on the people who post them than anything else. A lot of the over-analysis on AFOIAF comes from pretty creepy insecure places and there’s a lot of deranged projection that goes into it.

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    172. Kundry: Agreed. It was not my intention to start such a discussion, everyone is entitled to their own opinion as far as opionions are not presented as facts ( without evidence!).

      And I can’t just stand namecalling on people who are working, it’s very unrespectful.

      On topic: I am very happy about Rory return and I am looking forward to seeing what will happen with him!

      Exactly. You don’t have to like everything about the show. That’s fine. Everybody has their own taste. There is some stuff that I didn’t like in Season 5 but you have to back up your accusations.

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    173. Wow, go away and the entire thread turns super intense and toxic.

      Yes they nominated the episode with the least liked fight scene in it. True. But. Other than that low point in the episode, let’s not forget there was a lot of great stuff in there. Podeswa did a great job directing (my opinion, I’m happy to see him returning) and there were great scenes- Arya in the HoB&W, in King’s Landing, Petyr and Cersei, the faith arresting Tyrells, Tyrion and Jorah, when Jorah finds out his father was murdered, Sansa’s wedding!! Alfie Allen’s face, omg, that episode was brilliant for 90% of the time. There was some very nice, Emmy deserving television in that episode, just because 4 minutes weren’t great it doesn’t take away from that. I mean yeah, generally there was a lot wrong with the Dorne storyline, but it’s still better than most of what’s on TV. Let’s not get carried away here..

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    174. The Dorne fight was the only bad thing in that episode. The rest is a good episode. The fault is with the location more than anything else. They picked the wrong place for the fight. If it was done outside of the Water Gardens, then it probably would have been fine. I thought the fight was going to be outside of the palace because both groups were coming from outside heading towards the Water Gardens. They needed room to fit all of those people. The palace was not the right fit for that scene.

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    175. Whoa, sorry I just went back and read the Ros stuff…

      I have a friend who knows the actress (Esme Bianco) quite well, and from what I heard, her death was not about her willingness or not to do nude scenes. I should say I have not personally met the beautiful Esme Bianco but from what I heard she is very nice, very professional, and there was no fight over anything- she had done nude scenes for GoT before, I’m sure if she felt the material was served she would have done it. Perhaps D&D just chose to kill her character, isn’t that the obvious reason, rather than blaming the actress??

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    176. Jaime’s girl:
      Whoa, sorry I just went back and read the Ros stuff…

      I have a friend who knows the actress (Esme Bianco) quite well, and from what I heard, her death was not about her willingness or not to do nude scenes. I should say I have not personally met the beautiful Esme Bianco but from what I heard she is very nice, very professional, and there was no fight over anything- she had done nude scenes for GoT before, I’m sure if she felt the material was served she would have done it. Perhaps D&D just chose to kill her character, isn’t that the obvious reason, rather than blaming the actress??

      This is why you don’t just throw around accusations.

      The story for Ros was over and they killed her off in the show. I don’t know what could have been left for her character. (I did like her so I am not hating on the character). This is the end I thought was going to happen when she became a double agent. I thought “Uh oh, she is working for Varys now. LF is going to be pissed.” LF was going to find out eventually and not be happy. Varys lost that round against LF and Ros paid the price. Terrible thing but part of the show. 🙁

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    177. Jaime’s girl,

      Exactly. Plus her death was set up in ep. 202 back when LF threatened her then. I imagine between that scene and then her beginning to work for Varys in ep. 210 that Ros’s death was planned ahead as far back as during the writing for s2. Also I’m pretty sure Esme still does burlesque, so I doubt she ever became uncomfortable with those sorts of scenes. It was just that Ros was promoted to more of a madame-type position in LF’s service, so it made sense she wouldn’t have further nude scenes. Reading any more into all of that betrays a silly sort of conspiratorial thinking that’s all too present in certain parts of the fandom.

      But this, like many of the other misconceptions that have been purposefully cooked up on AFOIAF, will probably never properly be dismissed. So long as some mouth-breather or another stills regurgitates them here or there, the bullshit will keep flowing.

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    178. Charlie did a pretty good video on Gravedigger/Cleganebowl for anyone not up to speed. Obvious spoilers.

      LOL…that thumbnail though!

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    179. Jaime’s girl:
      mariamb,

      Agreed on all counts. No to Jaime on the ship across the sea, and yes, easier to get Jaime to Sandor than Brienne to Sandor. Very curious as to how this will go down…

      Lena-Watch update:
      I don’t know what the source is but apparently Lena Headey and kids were in the airport at LA in the last 24 hrs.
      https://twitter.com/lenaheadeygang/status/635749969874579456
      I will ask @lenaheadeygang but anyone know if this is confirmed?

      I hope the fans show a certain amount of respect for Lena and don’t try to get selfies with her at the airport when she is with her kids. I can understand being excited seeing the cast of GoT going about but in some cases boundaries are necessary

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    180. I dont think, that Sandor has to beat him. He just needs to get the helmet of his head, so everybody sees that rotten thing with worms all over it or something like that and then the other members of the faith militant will do something or even the kingsguard or whoever else is there. Sandor will die doing so, after he’s shocked of what is beneath the helmet and then Mountainstein will be overpowered by alot of people..

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    181. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Reading between the lines gives you that feeling? Ok, so, your earlier statement about them was opinion, not fact.

      Read the interviews again. Labell Martin’s work as boring speaks volumes. Also, talk more about original plots or characters motivations too. They have a sense of entitlement they don’t deserve.

      Do you have evidence Ros’ character was killed the way she was because she didn’t want to do more nude scenes?

      She said that on an interview. And is the way she was killed. You can have her character on the brothel and put a soldier killing her with a sword. Instead, you have Ros spanking a woman with Joffrey’s watching, and then killed by him (like… we didn’t know Joffrey was nuts and an assohole) with a crossbow and left her dead corpse like she was some kind of painting. It’s called sexualized death and that’s not cool.

      Regarding the Margaery/Tommen/Ser Pounce scene, um, didn’t you say earlier they didn’t listen to their actors? Just now you said they altered the scene at Dormer’s insistence, but thanks for refuting your own statement.

      Yes, Dormer phoned. But at that time, Dean Charles Chapman had 13 years old. You can’t put an actor so young onscreen with that kind of stuff, so they have to rectract. It was because it’s illegal, not for Dormer’s insistence. If Dean was 16-17, they have done it.

      The original casting call for the Sand Snakes stated the ages would range from 18-25. Tyene is the youngest of the Sand Snakes, thus it stands to reason she would likely be the youngest of the 3 cast.

      I don’t understand the detail on the ages of the SS actresses when Myrcella now is younger than Tommen or Gilly’s baby didn’t age. Anyway, it doesn’t change the casting call was the boobs scene, a moronic scene only written to show Tyene’s breats. She even didn’t kill Bronn at the end.

      Do you have evidence they didn’t tell Aimee Richardson she wasn’t coming back?

      The day of Joffrey’s death, she submit a vine crowning herself. She attends to Comicons and events as Myrcella until one month before the promotional video of new faces of the HBO. She didn’t has a clue she was not coming back until she saw that video and tweeted it. That’s, at least, is rude from HBO.

      I have no idea what “barely legal” cleavage you mean.

      Just look the promotional photos and the scenes. You can see Nell’s inferior part of the breasts. And she’s fifteen. Ok, we are in Dorne, there’s hot there, but… Fine, I will blame the costume department.

      As for what you say about Sansa, on what planet is what they showed in the show more of a violent sexual scene than what happened to Jayne Poole in the books??? I don’t even know what you mean about giving instructions to a 14 year old actress. As far as your statement about them literally counting the days until they could go full-on rape with her is just…wow. I’ll just say the problem does not appear to be with them.

      I was not talking about Jeyne’s Poole wedding. I’m talking about KL almost rape. In the books, Sansa was pulled off her horse. In the show, she’s persecuted, slapped and putted on the ground open legs before the Hound appears (Sophie was 14 at the time). And yes, they put Jeyne’s Poole on season 5 (erasing the Vale stuff) or not choosing to create Jeyne (Karsi was there like 15 minutes, and we mourned her death, of course we could care about Jeyne’s new actress) because Sophie was not 18 yet. That’s… unmoral.

      It’s not the almost rape itself, is how they recorded it and how it is showed to the audience. Like they didn’t realize Jaime was raping Cersei. What’s wrong with this guys?

      For example, they made Meryn Trant a paedophile. Unnecesary, because he was already a jerk and killed Syrio Forel. They put him choosing a child. Unnecesary again, Arya doesn’t need a “justification” for her acts. And then, you have the scene of his death, in which he spend more time hitting girls (with close ups to the children) taking pleasure of it than being killed by Arya. In a season in which they say that showing Stannis’ death was unnecesary and gratuitous. WTF?

      So, yeah, all those things you stated as fact are either your opinion, or the product of your imagination, unless, that is, you can come up with evidence for even one of your contentions, not what you think or what you heard, actual evidence. Just one.

      Read the interviews. If you want the slow version, read them all. If you want the fast version, go directly to antiGOT or antiHBO pages, they have compilations of them. If you want to search for yourself, google the name of the actor or writer and the subject.

      mau:

      “Unsullied” have problems with things from the books (too slow, Dany in Essos, no WW,..) much more that with show original content. With show original content they get plot moving, that is something GRRM forgot 15 years ago.

      In every show you will find “LOL that’s absurd!” moments.

      I don’t see the point of change the Unsullied “too slow” version with filler original version. My problem with that is they’re making the show even more slow than the original. Plot moving? Brienne’s candle instead of LSH? Jaime to Dorne instead the war? GreyxMissandei and DanyxDaario is plot moving? Seriously?

      I did’t have moments of “LOL that’s absurd!” in season 1-3 (excepting some scenes involving things like Podrick the Sex God, but I understand that’s a joke and I like it). But now, season 4 and 5 became that tendence for plotholes created by the writers themselves. Most of time, the inconsistences came for the writers. Even in the same episode.

      Such a crime. They are writers and they are writing. How dare they?

      I’m not against original characters. I loved Ros, Myranda, Olly (yes, him, I understand what he feels) and Karsi.
      Which I’m against is when Ros had more lines and scenes than Catelyn on season 3, Myranda has more character development and agence in one season than Sansa in 5 seasons, Olly’s presence was more on scene than Sam or Stannis and Karsi’s dismise was more shocking than Dany flying in dragon.

      But they are improving. No LSH, no YG, no Victarion, no Quentyn , no Vale plot, no Brienne’s filler, Dany and Tyrion meeting, Hardhome,…

      Excuse me?
      LHS is important. She’s a zombi who shows the price of revenge and she could be killed by the gift of Arya’s mercy. But if you’re not on metathings, she’s a zombi holding revenge against the Freys and she’s probably killing Jaime and maybe Brienne. And it could interesting if she founds one of her daughters or the Hound. That’s a huge deal.
      YG is important. I know there is a debate if he’s real or not and if he’s doomed, but he’s the real heir to the Throne. If Aegon wins, Dany won’t be the Queen unless she married him or she conquers the throne. If Dany wins, she must left the sit to her nephew. And I don’t believe Cersei, Stannis or Margaery will do a step back. That’s a huge deal.
      Victarion and Euron are important. Rapist pirates aside, they have a horn that controls dragons. That’s a huge deal.
      Quentyn is important. He left free two dragons. He was killed, I don’t believe the Martell will be happy to help Dany now. They can go to war (against everybody) or support Aegon’s claim. That’s a huge deal.
      The Vale is important. Sansa learning the Game of Thrones, reclaming what is her birthright, rising an army, killing her cousin (in purpose or not) and the possibility of murder LF. That’s a huge deal.
      Brienne’s filler. I’m sorry, I’m happy to see LSH, the consequences of the war, maybe Jaime’s future death and Sandor is alive.
      Dany and Tyrion was another moronic decision. They erased YG plot to have Dany beging Tyrion’s help (why? Why? He has no power, allies or money and he’s suspected of murder his family, why trust Tyrion if he can kill Dany too?) and now Tyrion the ruler of Mereen with an Unsullied and a translator. Meanwhile, Jorah the Explorer and Dumb Daario going to Khaleesi’s rescue on a dudebro’s movie. Pathetic.
      Hardhome. Yes, great FX, yes, great combats. Distracting fireworks and with a side effect: I was worried about the White Walkers. Now I know that the last battle will be an extended version of Hardhome. Thank you, HBO.

      Not being rude here, I’m just trying to justify my reasons. Sorry if I sound harsh.

      Vladimir Putin’s cousin:
      SlayerNina,

      Are you 12 ? This is a serious question .

      Are you invading Ucrania? This is a serious question.

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    182. Rygar,

      Nope. Ros had her peachy colored tunic on and was hanging from Jofferys canopy bed by her hands. Just happened to watch that episode last night.

      Not sure if that was D&D symbolism or not but if you do a little Internet research that actress was trying to change her image. That is why she moved from Europe to LA- to start a professional acting career. I am NOT saying this to add to any current fires.

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    183. SlayerNina,

      AntiGoT and anti HBO pages? Now I know where this negativity is coming from. Why don’t you troll back over there and let us celebrate the possible return of “the Hound”.

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    184. Newbietothegame:
      SlayerNina,

      AntiGoT and anti HBO pages? Now I know where this negativity is coming from. Why don’t you troll back over there and let us celebrate the possible return of “the Hound”.

      It was not me, the post degenerates and I like to explain why I don’t like the things I don’t like. That’s not trolling, it’s not “booooo HBO suuuuuuuucks!”.

      I’m happy for the Hound’s return (he’s one of my favos and welcome again Mr McCann!), but I’m not ready for another countless chicken jokes round, another buddy movie road trip with Elder Meribald hybrid, or Sansa being rescued again, that’s all.

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    185. phantomstrife,

      I think a maester hidding under a rock (the Hound’s not dying already, I’m sure he can resist several hours) more reasonable than Jon’s warging Ghost or being resurrected by Melisandre but hey, this is Westeros 😉 LOL

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    186. Enzo Cilenti is awesome. Check out Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norrell, he plays a major part and he’s hella sexy in regency costumes. And there is magic and good writing.

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    187. SlayerNina: It was not me, the post degenerates and I like to explain why I don’t like the things I don’t like. That’s not trolling, it’s not “booooo HBO suuuuuuuucks!”.

      Numerous unsubstantiated accusations rife with vitriol, and some, imo, rather sick imaginings, don’t contribute to negativity at all!

      You still haven’t provided a shred of evidence, just repeated rumors and your opinion. Moreover, when someone directly refutes one of your accusations, you try and claim that wasn’t what you were talking about.

      I don’t like to accuse people of trolling, but what you’re doing is, I’m sorry to say, pretty much trolling 101, whether you mean it to be, or not.

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    188. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Numerous unsubstantiated accusations rife with vitriol, and some, imo, rather sick imaginings, don’t contribute to negativity at all!

      You still haven’t provided a shred of evidence, just repeated rumors and your opinion.Moreover, when someone directly refutes one of your accusations, you try and claim that wasn’t what you were talking about.

      I don’t like to accuse people of trolling, but what you’re doing is, I’m sorry to say, pretty much trolling 101, whether you mean it to be, or not.

      I supported all the things I said with interviews and the comments made on Martin’s blog or Inside the episodes, what else do you want? If do want I can submit proofs of almost any ask you do. But I still think I gave reasonable explications enough.

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    189. SlayerNina:

      My problem with that is they’re making the show even more slow than the original.

      You should re-read Books 4 and 5.

      Plot moving? Brienne’s candle instead of LSH?

      Brienne killed Stannis. What she has done in Book 4? Nothing of importance.

      Jaime to Dorne instead the war?

      In terms of plot, everything that Jaime has done in Book 4 was accomplished with one scene between lord Frey and Roose.

      1. Freys took Riverrun
      2. Blackfish escaped
      3. Edmire captured

      They ended Riverlands plot effectively with RW, accomplishing everything GRRM has done, but avoiding dragging and filler, they put Riverland to rest until S6/TWOW where something important is actually going to happen there.

      GreyxMissandei and DanyxDaario is plot moving? Seriously?

      With less filer characters and less non important things, they accomplished everything from Dany’s plot(except Yunkai) in ADWD and more in one season, with Jorah, Tyrion and Varys there.

      So yes, the plot moving.

      Which I’m against is when Ros had more lines and scenes than Catelyn on season 3,

      Not true.

      Myranda has more character development and agence in one season than Sansa in 5 seasons,

      Not true either.

      Olly’s presence was more on scene than Sam or Stannis

      What?! Did you watch S5?

      and Karsi’s dismise was more shocking than Dany flying in dragon.

      Im not sure what you want to say.

      But if you’re not on metathings, she’s a zombi holding revenge against the Freys and she’s probably killing Jaime and maybe Brienne.

      Probably, maybe, if…

      LSH has been just lame plot twist added for shock value. She didn’t do anything important. The only thing she accomplished is to take away the tragedy of RW, to make it cheaper and unrealistic.

      Freys can be defeated by Blackfish, Arya, Sansa or any other real character.

      YG is important. /blockquote>

      He can be important if GRRM decides so.

      But that is a problem. He doesn’t feel like a natural part of this story, he comes out of nowhere, he did something Dany should do in Book 3, and he made her character even more incompetent than she was, he can defeat the Lannisters, which is even worse, because Lannisters had so many great enemies, like Robb, Stannis, Renly, and now they will be destroyed by YG?!

      But more likely GRRM doesn’t know what to do with him, so D&D cut that plot.

      Victarion and Euron are important. Rapist pirates aside, they have a horn that controls dragons. That’s a huge deal.

      Euron will be in the show. Victarion is just Quentyn 2.0

      Quentyn is important. He left free two dragons. He was killed, I don’t believe the Martell will be happy to help Dany now. They can go to war (against everybody) or support Aegon’s claim. That’s a huge deal.

      And all of that could be accomplished without his pointless journey.

      The Vale is important. Sansa learning the Game of Thrones, reclaming what is her birthright, rising an army, killing her cousin (in purpose or not) and the possibility of murder LF. That’s a huge deal.

      Again, maybe, possibly, if..

      Sansa can raise an army in the North in S6, real northern army, if that is her plot, and that is much more powerful that an army from the Vale.

      Again, D&D will accomplish that without filler characters or plots.

      Brienne’s filler. I’m sorry, I’m happy to see LSH, the consequences of the war, maybe Jaime’s future death and Sandor is alive.

      And you need 8 chapter for that? Yeah, that would make great TV.

      Dany and Tyrion was another moronic decision.

      That is something that will happen in TWOW.

      They erased YG plot to have Dany beging Tyrion’s help (why?

      Because Dany and Tyrion are actual and important characters and their meeting is important for this story?

      YG is what? Badly set up plot twist.

      He has no power, allies or money and he’s suspected of murder his family, why trust Tyrion if he can kill Dany too?)

      Dany has power, army and money, but she needs something different. Aa adviser. That is something GRRM will write in TWOW, so please, don’t act as if that was some show only plot point.

      and now Tyrion the ruler of Mereen with an Unsullied and a translator. Meanwhile, Jorah the Explorer and Dumb Daario going to Khaleesi’s rescue on a dudebro’s movie. Pathetic.

      You can reduce every plot to bad jokes if you want.

      I was worried about the White Walkers. Now I know that the last battle will be an extended version of Hardhome. Thank you, HBO

      .

      So the good storytelling would be to put WW in S8 out of nowhere? They can’t repeat “Winter is coming” for years without actually showing powers of Winter.

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    190. Hodor Targaryen,

      Even when I watched that episode I wasnt entirely sure that he was going to die, and Ive never read the books. He was hurt and couldnt move, but there was no indication that he was mortally wounded. If death was inevitable, it would be due to starvation, dehydration or wild animals finishing him off. But at the same time, the way it ended, I had doubts that he was gone for good. His coming back, if it happens, will not hurt the show in the least.

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    191. SlayerNina: I supported all the things I said with interviews and the comments made on Martin’s blog or Inside the episodes, what else do you want? If do want I can submit proofs of almost any ask you do. But I still think I gave reasonable explications enough.

      You say Ms. Bianco states Ros was killed the way she was because she did not want to do any further nude scenes in an interview, so where’s the interview where she said such. Or, did you read where someone said that’s what she said? What you take from D&D based on interviews with them or inside the episode is, as you already stated, what you gleen from it by “reading between the lines,” so merely your opinion/imaginings. I saw no reference to Martin’s not a blog in your response to me. If I missed it, my apologies, but I would guess any specific reference, like interviews with D&D is whatever you choose to read into it, so, once again, your opinion/imaginings.

      I will acknowledge I was a bit unfair in that I didn’t realize, when you mentioned Sansa being attacked by the crowd, you were explaining your earlier comment about D&D giving her direction when she was 14 (although I don’t recall whether they directed that episode). However, your contention D&D were chomping at the bit for her to get old enough to go full on rape with her is just…well, to me, that’s implying they’re borderline pedophiles, or if not that, truly sick individuals who enjoy the idea of watching a young woman they’ve watched grow up be in a rape scene. Whether that’s your idea, or you’re parroting the idea someone else put forth, I think that’s just sick. I think much of it stems from people who are so distraught by the differences between the shows and the books, they either just blatantly make things up, or go to the sickest places they can with it, then convince themselves it’s true. Again, I don’t know if you’re repeating what others have said, or are coming up with some of this on your own, but the issue began when you stated your claims as facts, as opposed to your opinion, or the products of your imagination, or someone else’s which you’re just repeating.

      Whatever the case, I think the best thing, at least for me, is to step away from this. We’re obviously not getting anywhere, and until you can provide concrete evidence (as I’ve stated a couple of times now), which you have still yet to do…where are any of these interviews where any of these things are stated, we won’t get anywhere.

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    192. I don’t think the John Snow character is that interesting and I don’t care if he’s back or not but he will be back.

      He cannot die this way. He is too important. Characters like Jon Snow need to have a heroic death. Something epic. They need to die on a battlefield or after fighting a powerful enemy. They cannot die on a screwjob at end of an episode.

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    193. SlayerNina: I supported all the things I said with interviews and the comments made on Martin’s blog or Inside the episodes, what else do you want? If do want I can submit proofs of almost any ask you do. But I still think I gave reasonable explications enough.

      Sorry but I didn’t see any evidence.

      For insance, ther’s no link to the alleged interview where Ms. Blanco said that she was fired that way because she didn’t want nude scenes anymore.
      I don’t remeber reading such an interview of this kind anywhere.

      Or do you think that we must believe your mere words?

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    194. You know whats great? The people that don’t believe in cleganebowl are also people that think jon isn’t dead yet.

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    195. Maceless Fan:
      He’s coming back in the show for the same reason he’ll be back in the books; to finally put an end to his wretched brother once and for all. This is gonna be the best fight in the series!

      Yessssss

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