Production moved from Biscay to Gipuzkoa this weekend and it has not been idle since. Zumaia has been witness to friendly and tense reunions and a momentous convergence. Today, on the third day of filming at Itzurun beach, is no different, as a main character whose fate was perhaps thought of as doomed last season returns to the narrative, and joins three other main characters on a new quest to parts unknown.
Yersterday Iain Glen was spotted in Bilbao, so it wasn’t so shocking when, this morning at the Dragonstone set, Ser Jorah Mormont reported for duty, ever faithful to Queen Daenerys Stormborn (well, not “ever faithful” —More like “since mid-season one.”)
El Diario Vasco reports on the scene, in which Jorah isn’t actually arriving —He is leaving. This not only tells us Jorah at some point returns to Daenerys but that he later leaves. First, Mormont is seen talking to Tyrion as Daenerys approaches, escorted by a retinue of Dothraki, including season six’s bloodrider Qhono played by Staz Nair. The queen says farewell to her advisor, who in turn vows to his queen. You may notice Daenerys is wearing the same outfit as yesterday, but this time she is sporting a red cloak instead of a white one. So that’s it: At long last, Daenerys Targaryen dresses in her colors, black and red. Jorah’s new outfit is just as exciting, inasmuch as Jorah has a new outfit, after wearing the same yellow shirt for so many years. I’m pretty sure it was white at first!
If you want to see the outfits in more detail, The Daily Mail has what you are looking for:
UPDATE: New pictures of uncertain origin have surfaced in a Emilia Clarke fansite, including ones showing Gendry‘s outfit in more detail and director Matt Shakman:
As the scene goes on, Daenerys turns to Jon. Meanwhile, Jorah helps some men prepare the boat. Among these men you may notice Davos and none other than Gendry, which confirms what we already suspected: Once Tyrion and Davos flee King’s Landing with Robert’s bastard, they take him to Dragonstone. However, the scene does end surprisingly as Jorah, Davos, Gendry and Jon push the boat and go away together.
Has Jorah cured his greyscale already, or did he fail in his mission but returned anyway? Did Daenerys simply want to give a purpose to a doomed man, expecting this quest would be his last, or did she actually have hope he would succeed in curing his ailment? What must also be considered is the relationship between Jeor Mormont and Jon Snow, who was gifted Longclaw by the Old Bear. Will Jorah clash with Jon over the Valyrian steel sword? Could the apparent “North-meets-South” angle of this coming season mean Jorah may eventually meet his fiery, precocious cousin Lyanna, the Lady of Bear Island? What is the new quest involving King Jon, Ser Jorah, Ser Davos and Gendry?
These are exciting questions, and I hope the community is eager to find possible answers in the comments. However, please be considerate: Those who read this particular spoiler may not be aware (or even want to be aware) of other spoilers, so let’s only discuss what is pertinent —That is, what is revealed and discussed here, no more. ANY discussion outside the purview of this article MUST be properly spoiler-tagged.
She is wearing a red cape!!! With a black dress!!! That’s all I wanted for Christmas 🙂
Jorah never gets to just stay by Dany’s side anymore 🙁
This is so exciting!
Can’t keep up with everything we learn each day!
Jon, Davos, Gendry and Jorah together! I have to digest this for a while, lol!
And it’s going to be difficult to discuss this without making reference to other filming spoilers but I hope everybody does their best!
I love Jorah&Dany – The Queen and Her Knight , i hope he survives
Wow, this will certainly encourage speculation.
So i guess we can end the will jon return to the north or won’t..
He has longclaw Davis gendry and jorah ..so I guess people can be happy
Looking forward to jorah and lyanna mormont conversations..
We cant have arrival scene for every character .,can we now
Now that is one awesome band of misfits right there. Two bastards with royal lineage, a smuggler, and a fugitive/exile who may or may not still be turning to stone. This is the road trip I never knew I wanted until now.
ay yay yay
Fucking finally, red and black!
Wow this season gonna be awesome . Gendry!!!
I can’t keep up, so much news lately! Have these pics been seen here already? Apologies if so.
Luka, if a BRM had a fling with a Ninja and had a baby that grew up to have a fling with James Bond thus having a child which grew up to have a go with Jason Bourne, that child would be you.
Dany’s cape seems to have a reddish lining, so she’s wearing Targaryen colours!
Also, Jorah is probably cured, he lets Dany get near him and even seems to kiss her hand. There’s no way he’d do that if he wasn’t cured.
This season basically everyone meets everyone! 🙂
Cool by Law Jon is Jorah King hahaha… I know he is not change Dany for Jon but House Mormont is loyal to the Starks.. “Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark”…. nice to see Jon Leaving with Jorah, Davos and Gendry… if Arya is in Winterfell … we are going to see Arya – Gendry reunion 🙂
The video doesn’t play for me 🙁 🙁
Posting the daily mail link again for those who havent seen it
With so much apparently happening this season, I’m finding it hard to believe they’ll be able to fit it all in a shortened season!
the north is one of 7 kingdom, Which is Dany’s kingdoms so all houses under Dany by law
Why i am under moderation ?????
no one would be surprised if Daario shows up with a posy of essos flowers, then Dany shows him the boat.
It would have been interesting to see just a second more of how was the farewell between Jon and Dany to understand better their relationship. Shaking hands? A bow? A hug?
Well, I noticed that As Jon says his goodbyes to Dany, he neither kisses her, nor bows. This should alleviate some of the fears of those already condemning the show for the “rushed”, “contrived” or otherwise “forced” Ship of Jonerys. If the show is headed in that direction, and as a book reader, I hope they are (as I’ve felt since my first read of ASOIAF way before the show started has always been GRRM’s intent), I have no doubt DnD are going to handle it properly. Remember, there are still 13 hours in which to develop this relationship, 3x as long as a full length feature film. So relax, and enjoy, everybody! Thanks for keeping us entertained in the long off season, WOTW staff, you guys are incredible!
If they going to Winterfell, Arya will meet again with Gendry and Jon at the same time.
I think Dany and Jon just talked tbh. Jorah kissed her hands.
mind blown.. this came out of NO WHERE….
Jorah/Jon/Davos/Gendry……on a quest together….woooow…that is just not anything I would have expected.. have to process
Updated with Daily Mail pics!
I’m gonna blush 😛
red cape , finally house targaryen outfit
For the past week, I’ve woken up every single morning to awesome spoilers. I’ve gotten so spoiled by the filming in Spain that it’s going to suck when they go back to Northern Ireland and its tighter security.
I love Dany’s red cloak and Jorah’s snazzy new outfit. That dirty yellow shirt better not be under there though.
I also love that Dany has a private moment with both Jorah and Jon. I was hoping to see a goodbye handshake between Jon and Tyrion. Oh well.
Jon, Davos, Jorah, and Gendry makes for a surprising and interesting group. Seriously, who would’ve thought at the end of S6 we’d see those men together?
I wish the forums worked properly because Luka poses many questions that some of us know the answers to and I would love to discuss them further outside of this thread so as not to spoil things for others. Sigh.
Wow! Totally agree. What a road trip! I can only imagine they are headed north, but why? Has Danny agreed to help Jon maybe, again why? What about Cercei? So many questions.
If they had any kind of more physical contact I imagine it would be in private before an official goodbye in front of everyone, Dany is a very private person and doesn’t like showing her heart publicly, I Imagine Jon is similar but not to the same extent. It’s different with Jorah though, she’s known him for years and considers him family.
Geralt of Rivia,
I’ve already said it on the other thread, but the tone of red, they used for Dany’s cape, looks a lot like Rollo-red to me (and they are always very considerate when it comes to the symbolism of clothes)…
And also just a general thought. Season 7 might feel slightly different with all the travelling going on. We could get a lot more of those Varys type situation from S6E10 where he was in Dorne and later in the same episode he was on a ship outside Meereen. I mean Davos alone seems to be all over the place (DS, KL twice, somewhere the boat is going). I’m not complaining, mind you, just getting tired of the impending jetpack jokes already
The North is a Independent Kingdom now!!…. and if Jon is a legitimate son of Rhaegar he is the King of the Seven Kingdonm not Daenerys
Have any of the moderators looked into the issue with the forum?
Also, sons come before daughters in terms of succession usually, it’s one thing Cersei always complained about. Technically, Jon as the son of Rhaegar would be next in line before Dany.
Unless I’ve been playing too much Crusader Kings and Westeros has a different policy.
Clearly the most important news is that Jorah has a new outfit!!Thank all the gods lol.Also I love that Gendry is wearing the Baratheon colors.This trip is going to be fun.
I love the second picture. Emilia is helping a Dothraki guy with his costume, lol!
And I’m loving Jorah’s new outfit. No more ragged yellow shirt, hooray! (I bet Iain Glen is glad he doesn’t have to wear it anymore!)
The North isn’t Independent Kingdom Dany never give her blessings, they’re mere rebels till crown accepts them, and Rhaegars line was disinherited by Aerys whether he is legitimate or not he has no claim, King line follows through Viseyrs to Daenerys
I don’t know but ask them. So far it fits.
Spoiler-tag it properly and you may talk about what you wish, as long as you do NOT link to any spoiler that is not discussed here 🙂
Basically: You can discuss other spoilers with proper tagging, but no links.
I have had to delete a few comments already. BE CAREFUL, PLEASE. Unless you are merely discussing what is presented and discussed in this news article, tag your spoilers!
Perhaps the goodbye isn’t sentimental because it is a short adventure? I would have loved to see a throwback to the goodbye atop the wall between Tyrion and Jon!
What I want to really know is how did Tyrion approve of this plan. He of all people would know Cersei’s true nature.
Gendry heading to the North! I would love to see an Arya and Gendry reunion; when the Brotherhood sold him to Melisandre, Arya was the only one who protested on his behalf – and he protected her so well in most of seasons two and three. Whenever I re-watch 305, when she says to him “I can be your family”, it just cuts me to shreds!
That will be an interesting travelling group – I can’t wait for Jon and Jorah to have a heart-to-heart about Jeor! And it will be interesting for Davos and Gendry to re-connect, with everything that happened after Davos let him escape. I also want to hear Jon and Davos maybe reflect on their time at Dragonstone and Daenerys, in particular, once they are away from her.
With all these arrivals and departures happening, there must also be a lot of interiors due to be filmed/already filmed for Dragonstone. I would guess that even if we only get Jon there for two or three episodes, there will be a lot of screen time in those episodes dedicated to that location. Exciting!
In Westeros bastards are the lowest of the low so daughters come before them, it’s one of the reasons LF was not expecting Jon to have leadership over Sansa but northerners do things their own way.
The faith killed off having multiple marriages after the fire breathing dragons died out, and the last Targ who tried marrying more than one wife got exiled because of it.
Not that any of it matters who has more right anymore, because now it looks like whoever takes the throne by conquest will get it. Like Littlefinger who has no relation to anyone whose been on the throne but that’s not gonna stop him trying to get it
Figure Dany wants one of her advisors to see what’s going on up north personally. Jorah makes the most sense and Jon probably pardons him, allowing him to safely return home. I’m sure Longclaw will come up, but Jorah left it behind on purpose. It isn’t his any more.
So many of the costumes we have seen so far reflect the fact that winter is here, and that Daenerys’s people have arrived in a place with a much colder climate than Meereen. I am really looking forward to seeing what Sansa and the rest of the characters appearing in the North get to wear there next season! Michele Clapton’s designs are always amazing, so I can’t wait to see what she comes up with.
Still i can’t handle. You are right for Jon’s motivations that he don’t want a war between human when exists a biggest villain but how trusted can be the King’s Landing Queen??
Means lack of insight from Jon.
I saw that. She’s so sweet.
Nice! Thank you, Luka. 🙂
its not gender issue, Dany was officially appointed as heir to throne and proclaimed princess of Dragonstone when Viserys was crowned king Viserys III at end of rebellion
Can someone fix forum so we can discuss leaks there and not here? Or is someone working on it?
Too bad he didn’t go on a trip to capture one to convince Ramsey and Bolton’s.
Tags not working. Never mind.
Yes. Just have to be patient. Unfortunately Oz takes care of these things and he cannot be in these mega spoiler posts at all, so you have to email us when you have problems.
ghost of winterfell,
This season is going to be AMAZING. Yay Jorah!! Hope he’s cured. Really looking forward to Lyanna meeting him as well.
I cannot believe
This seems to me like 100% a show invention because in the books
I don’t know how
ghost of winterfell,
I haven’t read this, but what convinces me that
As to Jorah’s greyscale… If it’s cured (and it seems so as he seems to kiss Dany’s hand), I wonder what was the point? Just to make him act a bit recklessly and to keep him away from Dany’s side at some crucial time?
Maybe there’s something taking place in early S7 that it’s important Jorah is not there?
Or was the greyscale just introduced as a nod to book readers?
In the books,
I’ve got this idea, that at first everything goes pretty well for (f)Aegon and Jon Connington, people flock to them because they’re sick and tired of Lannister rule etc. etc. But then greyscale/grey plague starts spreading and people turn against (f)Aegon because of the horror, thus paving way for Dany. That would be a good reason for introducing greyscale in the books. Also, there’s Val’s extreme reaction to Shireen’s (cured) greyscale, that reinforces the idea that it might become important.
I saw this posted in the other thread and I’m wondering the same thing:
Yeah I like that too ..
I love this dress and particularly the hairstyle …its so cute..
ghost of winterfell,
I read it in some of those articles people linked in previous threads about whole season leak.
Dude. Ramsay had sent him a letter where he threatened to kill him, kill Rickon, rape Sansa and kill the NW and Wildlings (the only people at the time who were willing to fight against the WW). That alone proves Jon can’t work with Ramsay and that the only way to rally people to fight the WW is to restore the Starks and take control himself. He spent the entirety of season 5 sending ravens to these people and they didn’t even bother to send recruits.
It’s quite silly how Jorah keeps leaving then returning. Especially with how dramatic and emotional they’re making his departures.
Unless he at least found a cure for his greyscale, his emotional parting with Dany in S6 is a total gimmick.
I’m not at all surprised Gendry is leaving with Jon. They need some casualties up north to raise the stakes and their northerners are too precious. Besides, killing characters off seems to be their idea of tying up storylines.
Sue the Fury,
Got it! Thank you! 🙂
Jon and Jorah will be cool duo next season.
I agree, I thought they passed on greyscale to another person not to simply cure it but to somehow harvest it and use it as a weapon against the WW otherwise in the show at least it seems pointless
I think they gave Jorah greyscale as an excuse to keep him away from Dany. Without Jorah there, she has to rely on Tyrion as an adviser and it makes his appointment at Hand of the Queen more believable (especially since Jorah isn’t there when it happens).
Geralt of Rivia,
Dany looks rather sad to see them all go doesn’t she. It kind of feels like Jorah is saying a goodbye that means he intends to be gone longer than the others. It could just be his infatuation or maybe his (initial) plan is to return to Bear Island and mend things with family while the others intend to return to Dragonstone after a mission.
I know right?
We have no idea of being sure and we won’t know until all the episodes air to know.
It could all be true, 50% could be true, 20% could be true. It could all be out of context for all we know.
she isnt queen of westeroes for now… and I also dont want her to be at the end.
I find that to be the only good thing about them to be honest with you.
i wonder if gendry and arya’s relationship is something like lyanna and robert, if robert weren’t the man he was (whoring, drinking), things that gendry didn’t inherit from his father. thanks god!
I agree. Jon pardons Jorah on behalf of the North, and Daenerys sends him to help Jon in his diplomatic mission to make all the Northern Houses and the Wildlings unite with Daenerys (against, I suppose, both Lannisters and Others).
Occam’s Razor, folks.
I was half hoping Jorah and Dany would kiss goodbye. They are certainly dress for a fancy affair.
It makes sense for jorah to go up north and scoop things out.
Really and how is cersei any different..those are just semantics
And she teams up with Euron defeating ollena and ellaria ..yara captured and killed probably ..
and now jon thinks its better to convince her of the threat because of the lives being lost ..
Iam sorry it feels really Silly ..while jon and starks reclaim their home and named king and fight their enemies and get revenge ..
But the Others are being robbed of this and not allowed because of jon again…
I still don’t think that this is how it will happen and I will wait till I see but if it happens like this I won’t like it
Jorah is not going to just leave Dany alone in war times to help the North. He is loyal to Dany before anyone else. That’s not in line with his character.
Geralt of Rivia,
He’s from the North though. He can help them there. Also she has Tyrion. It’s not like she’s alone.
Only those that go beyond the wall knows about walkers, whereas Dragons were roaming Westeros little over a century ago.
If Dany is a believer in the practical, meaning she has to be a witnesses to believe it, then it makes sense.
It goes against Jorah’s character to leave Dany. Look at his history, look at everything he’s done to get back in her good graces? Do you really believe he would just walk away and let her go to war? Not gonna happen.
But he just left her in those images lol we are not sure why but he did, amd jjst because he did it doesn’t mean he’s not returning. I assume Dany and Jon are in good terms so if Jorah can help the North he helps Dany too. You don’t have to agree with me, everyone is free to have a different opinion.
Game of Tropes. You win or you Disney.
It really doesn’t make sense though.
It looked to me that Jorah kissed her hand. That’s something, right?
He is the one who doesnt leave mommy and still wanted to be careied on her shoulder and kind of lazy fellow..
Dany will be very hurt if she gies against him..
I dont think this makes a even match per se ..because drogon is still big ..
Many people aee not getting what it means it seems ..if NK is on a dragon then it means dany on Drogon..iam not sure many are wanting this..
It really, really doesn’t. There is no justification for such atrocious writing.
I can’t even wrap my mind around how moronic that is.
The problem is there is no way of knowing what else is going on, except for some comings & goings that seem at least somewhat accurate. Everything else is just conjecture and running wild.
Exactly! It doesn’t make any sense. She even had visions about warriors armoured in ice and in the show she saw herself going beyond the wall. I think the leaks got this part wrong, it has to be for a different reason.
Its not just dragons though is it .
She survives fire ..encounters different magics and goes to places like HOTU and experience the magic but she will find it hard to belive this one..
Geralt of Rivia,
I wish people discussing the leaks would preface their spoiler-tagged comments with something like “In the leaks,” and then do the spoiler-tagged bit. (Like I do when I’m referring to book material.)
I’ve been trying to avoid those leaks and now a lot of this thread seems to be about them. I accidentally opened a couple because I thought they would be about the other filming spoilers from this week. I guess I’d better not open any spoilers from now on.
Geralt of Rivia,
I watched the video again and I’m not noticing any bags of dragon glass in that little boat Jon and Co board. Uh, isn’t that kinda important? Albeit, there is also another boat on the beach with what looks like Stark soldiers, so maybe the dragon glass is in there? BTW, it appears Jon has acquired more men than what he arrived with. I wonder if they’re men from the ship that’s just offshore or if Dany gave him some of her soldiers.
True. Also if he wanted to go back to Bear Island then he would’ve done so in season 2 when he was pardon. Therefore, I have presumed Dany sent him on a task.
I haven’t read the leaks so I didn’t know all that.
Thy all get eaten by a miezekatze
I’m glad that I not the only one feeling the same way… I know the almost everybody thinks the last season was the best.. but for me was different, was so predictable and sometimes didn’t make sense.
My main concern is it that every other characters acting stupidly
After hearing how wise tyrion is .he makes two of most stupid decision if its true
To go to kl to convince Jamie
And OK with allying with cersei..
Yay Jorah!! Dany’s red cape looks great too. It’s a very nice touch.
The Gendrya shipper in me is dying to know what sort of conversations Gendry and Jon will have about Arya.
I read the leaks…
Oz is fiddling with the forums. Some of you who have been having trouble- give posting there a try to see if you can do it.
Also friendly reminder that any reference to the alleged leaks info has to be spoiler covered and labeled in comments. Thanks!
please let most of these leaks be made up.
I don’t agree that he leaves her alone while she faces war against Euron and the Lannisters. Obviously he goes somewhere, I’m simply saying that he’s not doing it while Dany vs Cersei is full blown.
West of moon,
I just checked them out, I think it sounds like fan fic because it was presented in point form with little to no story. I think if we summed up a lot of the show it would look like fan fiction.
Geralt of Rivia,
You know the arguments how dany can’t lead the war against WW because she doesnt know how to fight or wield a sword …so it must be jon because he has to fight NK in a duel ..I dont think they will be happy about it.
The big battle is between the living and the dead. In order to rally people it’s a given that the Starks need to be in a position of power that allows them to do it (especially since Bran and Jon’s stories have been tied up with this battle for so long). So yeah, they have to take Winterfell. Also, they’ve been struggling and suffered a lot for seasons on end. Them getting Winterfell is their first moment of revenge. Let’s not act as if the Starks have had many ‘hell yeah’ moments on the show and get to defeat their enemies for good every season.
There’s no way Dany is taking KL this season. It’s stuffed with wildfire caches and Cersei isn’t above burning it (as you have mentioned). Might as well try and get Cersei’s army to fight because it’s also in her best interest to not get attacked by WW. The only way Dany can take KL right now is if she unleashes her dragons on it and burns it (and I think at this point we both know that’s not going to happen, because many innocent people will die).
We also know from her HotU vision that Dany postpones her conquest to go north. It’s been foreshadowed for years.
Longclaw is almost as long as Jon
Sue the Fury,
The forums work for me. Thank you!
I never understood why does it have to be one or the other. Why can’t it be possible that both of them will be equally important? All the parallels between them we have seen so far suggests equal importance for both in the story.
That’s my thoughts regarding responses to the “leak” plot points. Whether all or some are true, and it appears some are, it’s not presented in story form. To say the storyline will be fanfic or Disney by main points isn’t fair. The entire series would sound ridiculous laid out in that fashion.
Guys the forums work! If you want to see/discuss the leaks go here http://watchersonthewall.com/topic/speculations-or-possible-spoilers-for-season-7
Yes, please discuss the leaks there!
My guess is that Jon would tell her to save the other people first.
Benjen is beyond the Wall because he cannot pass through the Wall, he did help Bran, and he brought Bran back to the Wall. But he can’t pass through the Wall.
It could even be Bran who sends uncle Benjen to save Jon with his knowledge.
The big problem with these spoilers is that we dont really understand everything and the more detailed context.
After arriving at the Wall they might decide to go and searching for a wight, perhaps they will send a message to Dany to inform her of their plans.
Dany might be worried after receiving the message and she might decide to go to the Wall quickly with her dragons.
Or again Bran could be the one who is pushing people’s actions, we simply dont know.
That is the problem with these spoilers they are more like bullet points of events, but they might not explain exactly how these bullet points occur.
The person might have a lot of information about Dany and Jon and the Spanish locations, but we simply dont know how reliable some of the other spoilers are right now.
If Jon goes to KL to convince Cersei, probably Brienne will go with him (if she offers it because of Jaime)
My quess is this:
Jon, Davos and Brienne and Podrick and maybe Jorah will go to KL. Cersei will kill one or two ( probably Podrick and Davos or Jorah) and puts the rest into a cell so she can blackmailing the North and Dany.
Dany and the North will not accept this and go to war. At this point, Cersei thinks she can easily win the battle,but when Euron is defeated, she want to burn them all. Jaimes love for Brienne will win and he will kill Cersei and Qyburn. The Mountain will burn to death. (Before all the things we know now, I thought they went straight to KL, but maybe they meet Euron, losing the battle and flee to DS
Ps: sorry for my English
That’s dumb.Both Jon and Dany are essential to the fight.
True. And if it does end up being accurate I wouldn’t be dissapointed. The more I mull over it the more I like it.
Forum is not working yet again.
But same can’t be applied for dany and tyrion.
Dany is as much tied to the fight WW like jon and bran and her story is also been about uniting people and leading ..
The leak says Jamie defeats tyrells and let’s olenna drink poison and dany burns randyl and his son ..
I guess its not even jon or starks I will have issues with ..but the fans who is going to cliam jon is so noble he is the only one who doesn’t want people dying and focus on the bigger picture While the others are fighting in petty battles and wasting armies..
I now you don’t like when someone portrays Jon in better light than Dany. They’re all on board with this but comparing Winterfell which was partially because of white walkers threat only on revenge. It was for revenge for Sansa and Jon trid to rescue Rickon and protect Sansa. She was going against Boltons regardless. I wonder if Dany will do what she might do, if you still gonna defend her.
My sweet bear. ❤ He looks awesome, and that left hand is fine.
He and Jon will be good. ?
It’s the natural progression of the story. There’s foreshadowing that this is what will happen. There’s been buildup. Starks will take Winterfell: “the wolves will come again”. Fans didn’t invent it. I don’t know what your problem is. Are you upset the Starks finally took Winterfell and will most likely reunite after 6 seasons? Do you want Jon to hang out at the Wall and do nothing post resurrection? Do you want Sansa running in the woods from Ramsay all season, or Bran to stay in a cave and not share his information?
West of moon,
Same lol, ugh, season can’t come soon enough. Damn you Watchers on the Wall! My productivity at work has dropped tremendously since last week.
Keep up the great work though.
ghost of winterfell,
Beats me ..
Something like its jon’s fight ,he is warrior who knows how to wield the sword…no one can be considered his equal.
So do we think that they’re bringing Gendry as a smith, to forge some dragonglass weapons?
I’ve never been a Gendrya shipper but the thought of Arya finally being reunited with her family AND Gendry is giving me a warm fuzzy. Now they just need to hire Hot Pie as the head chef at Winterfell!
there is a chance that they are filming the last two seasons together??? cause there are so many spoilers for 7 episodes! a lot of traveling and a lot people coming together!
if Jorah traveling north, I hope he meet Lyanna and ask forgiveness for stained the family name
And Jon and co trying to capture a wight beyond the wall after he has seen how deadly the wights and white walkers can be??? There is too much risk they would die trying
Ok Dany really needs to employ a valet at this rate because that place is busier than JKF! ?
As for Jorah, he’s obviously been cured of grayscale as his hands aren’t even covered, and I can’t see the others getting into a small boat with him if he was still infected.
I’m wondering if Mel has cured him at Dragonstone? Or perhaps the Maesters at Oldtown but I’m guessing Mel knows the cure as she’d have made enquires on how Shireen was cured. Hell- she can raise the dead so a lil bit of grayscale should be easy!
So the showrunners have managed to
There is no shortage of fanatics on either side. Every topic gets turned into Jon vs Dany thing, it’s boring.
Geralt of Rivia,
There are quite a few readers/viewers who want exactly that, it would seem. The best kind of plot progression to them is none whatsoever. One of the most eyebrow-raising comments I read on Westeros.org before it finally went off the deep end was speculation that the first thing Jon would do after being resurrected was head back to the heart tree north of the Wall to re-swear his vows. Good writing ftw.
Dany at this point does not sit the Iron Throne. If you gonna go by law, Cersei is Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, she conquered it by killing everyone who was before her. Also, logic tells you that the North having declared Jon their King also declared themselves as an independent region, no longer a part of the 7 Kingdoms. Thus, unless Jon abdicates his crown and “bends the knee” on behalf of his Kingdom or are taken over by the monarch ruling from the Red Keep, Dany has no control or say in the North or any region that still has not fallen to her. That will probably (eventually) change at some point but until it does, Jon is King of all Northerners. Granted Jorah gave up Bear Island long ago.
Welp, I guess the leak is true then ?
That was my first thought too on reading the leaks.
Cool by Law Jon is Jorah King hahaha… I know he is not change Dany for Jon but House Mormont is loyal to the Starks..
Yup I thought about that too, and how Jorah has felt remorse about turning on his family and his dad dying before chance to make amends, so now he might be conflicted whereby he’s always shown loyalty and is in love with Dany yet now might feel it’s his duty to stand by king Jon of the north if he is to get back in good graces with Lady Lyanna and house Mormont.
There is also a line dragons will come again ..
Its also natural progression dany takes westeros because its what she is trying to do for 6 seasons..
I dont have a problem with jon in south or him being king in the north or king of westeros..
but having dany tyrion tyrells and dorne simply set aside their enemity towards cersei …and go on a stupid mission so they can convince cersei…
Basically there are lot of stupid things in the leaks like if they are trying to convince cersei and dany defeated ..then how she can burn tarly’s I don’t know..like thats horrifies tyrion and maybe start questioning his decision ..
Iam going to wait till the episode airs because I still believe some of the things will not happen .and it still happens this way I will complain at that time..
ghost of winterfell,
It seems to be working sporadically. I’ve tried posting two replies to Nadia with a link but when I hit ‘submit’ they just disappear.
ghost of winterfell,
There is ten on one side 2 on other side ..its how I see it
Anyways this is the first photos we don’t have missandei …wonder why she was not there with dany when everyone is leaving ..
Geralt of Rivia,
Which totally messes with the “dragon has three heads” prophecy ?
Jorah is going to try and talk Jon into bowing to Dany when they’re on that boat. We’ll probably get some nice convo between the two about Jeor Mormont and they bond a little, but right now I don’t see Jorah’s cockiness meshing very well with Jon’s diplomatic way. Might be friction at first due to jealousy/cynicism on part of Jorah.
OMG, I so agree with you! Who would have ever thought how excited this spoiler just made me. I’m ready for S7 now…how many more months;(
I tried to do summary of everything we know and nothing. First post it worked. Strange.
Yeah, curing greyscale should be a doddle for Mel after ressurrecting a dead person! 😀
Which makes me think, maybe Mel AND Jorah both get to Dragonstone before anybody else? Dany arrives to find her loyal Jorah, now cured…
In this week’s filming spoilers,
Also, in the books,
Yeah, and I agree, there seems to be quite a gathering of characters on Dragonstone in S7. I think filming spoilers have confirmed
We only know he was in Belfast twice. I suspect we will get kick-ass effects to show his healing. Anyway, it must have been an indoor scene. I bet on Oldtown.
This is all very confusing. I don’t think these pictures reveal even half of the real story.
I mean, Gendry being brought to Dragonstone and then heading up north with Jon? How does that work? What role is he meant to play up north?
And Jorah heading north too?
And this is believed to occur in episodes 5 to 7 of the season?
Could Jorah be heading north as commander of a section of Daenerys’ army to help reinforce the North as part of their alliance? Given that he is a Northerner, perhaps his presence would reassure the North that they are not an invading force?
And, obviously, somebody who is familiar with the North would be best leading Daenerys’ forces if they ever went up there.
Spoiler from the books
Geralt of Rivia,
Having said that , I definitely wouldn’t mind if Jon said fuck it, I don’t want anything to do with the Iron Throne. All I want is for him to live 🙂 .
If Cersie still seat on Iron Throne at the end of season I will stop watching show. It’s beyond stupid.
Geralt of Rivia,
But makes sense as Emilia said it will be emotional and not because of people dying, cool things with dragons which was mentioned thanks to Sophie. It would be cool twist and actually make it interesting because if he can do that, my word what else he can.
The spoilers say he doesn’t trust Tyrion. Who knows the reasons? Maybe because he killed their father behind his back,maybe because of Dany… we will see
I am not a fan of the spoilers either.
There has to be something sketchy going on with the leak, I refuse to believe all of it.
HBO must do some damage control.
Wonder when will he realise who he is sleeping with.
ghost of winterfell,
She is not Queen of Westeros until she conquers it. As of this point she has not, and does not sit the Iron throne, so just why would the north need her blessing with what goes on in their affairs??
Yes she does ..thanks for bringing this up..she is perfectly OK with stepping down…even in meereen she let hizdar take over..
What she yearns most is for the family not the throne like many claim..
If she learns about Jon’s parentage she will be OK with him being take charge ..she will act like how alyssane and visenya did
Jorah MUST be cured! 🙂 There is no way he would get that close to Daeny or the others if there was a chance it could be spread.
If you also read it fully she is the one who saves them all..
I like this idea.
And would cured Jorah leave Dany AGAIN, unless she commands it and gives him something meaningful to do?
The only fly in the ointment is that Jorah is a disgraced exile. But if Jon as KitN pardons him… But please not reinstate him as Lord of Bear Island, I want his cousin Lady Lyanna Mormont to keep her position! 😀
Despite a royal pardon from Jon, some northern lords might be wary of Jorah, but not as much as some “foreigner”. Though, some northern lords might be wary of any southern alliance, it’s not sure they fully believe the WW threat. And with LF possibly in the North during Jon’s absence, whispering in suitable ears…
It’s beyond me way Dany wouldn’t just burn Cersie, if they met in dragon pit.
I’ve been calling him Joronningtarion for awhile, hoping that’d be the case. ?
Can we stop with this Dany is not Queen of anything ..
She has dragonstone , Reach ,Dorne and we don’t want to count her dothraki or unsullied or stormlands which is up for taking
Remind me what did stannis have ..and yet he was considered KIng was he not ..
If she is not Queen then I wonder why jon goes and asks her for assistance..
If I am not mistaken that guy Emilia was helping is Staz Nair? He seems to be head of her Queensguard walking just behind her, face of Dothraki.
Well, one could hope he can bring back quality writing.
No but those bits about how she must be reminded that innocent people will die and she doesnt listen to advise and acts on impulse and tyrion and varys horrified and doubting is all there in this leaks itself ..maybe they are planting seeds for next season ..
Its opposite to me .
Cersei have literally everyone of the cast in the same place and she didn’t think of burning them alive at dragonpit..
Filming will start as soon as next week in Italica. If anyone in
is spotted near that set it will be last nail in the coffin I suppose.
Lol no way it happens like that. My guess right now is that one of them dies and the other one rules. I would be happy to be wrong about that. My ideal ending would probably be Dany on the IT and Jon somewhere in the North, where he truly belongs, with the surviving members of his family, whether as KitN or as a Lord of some keep.
And further, apparently this act worries Tyrion and Varys, but Jon is A-okay with it and continues to cast admiring looks at her, the same Jon who mercy killed Mance Raydar because he could not see him being burnt alive. All this seemed BS to me when I read it. Let’s see how it turns out.
And they will. Just be patient like us mortals who have been waiting for the Starks to reunite. To conquer the kingdom, she’ll have to help save it.
We’ve been told the war for the dawn won’t be a straightforward and simple good vs. evil fight.
It seems so silly to me, too. Like
Lol I guess Gendry will be rowing to the big ship. Costumes are amazing. I am guessing that while Jorah was on his quest to cure greyscale, he discovered something that could be of importance in the WW battle. Dany had already said she needed him, but it seems he is needed more in the North….IF that is where they are going. While I think he owes it to his father to protect the ancestral home, his allegiance is with his Queen so wherever they are headed I believe it is by her request. Thanks for this great post!
Dany on the throne is to cliche and predictable and I dont particularly like her and find her not the best ruler, she is a good conquerer, so. The best way would be that the throne is destroyed in the end.
I agree, partly.
However, she started the war at a disadvantage vs Dany. Cersei might agree to an armistice not because she wants to save people, but because she wants to delay her inevitable defeat. She will then drink and laugh as Others take down her enemies.
Dany, being an idealized figure, will of course do the right thing, and stop a war she should be winning.
I disagree that things are settled for the Starks. Littlefinger will use the fact that Sansa doesn’t trust Jon. Bran will probably bring the Walkers past the Wall. Arya will probably continue to kill the people on her list in increasingly disturbing ways. Jon will probably continue making the the same kinds of mistakes that lost him the Battle of the Bastards. I think a Stark will end up in control of Winterfell (assuming it’s standing) at the end of the show. How that happens I can’t predict as the situation in the North, and the situation with the Starks, is really, really volatile.
ghost of winterfell,
Well that’s what I believe is well.
That dany and drogon will die crashing the heart of winter as an act of sacrifice to end the fight And jon will become king ..
But I still think there is a chance that both of them will survive ..
Is it only me or Dany looks worried? Dangerous mission maybe but it seems to me she’s kinda looking at Jon as he’s walking towards boat?
The ease with which these set leaks are occurring makes me suspicious: I have this feeling that what we are watching unfold on the beach is one of the final scenes of the season… Leaking the finale with no context whatsoever or knowledge of its lead up would be quite the red herring.
This is about the spoilers:
So, if this group leaves Dragonstone in episode 6, do they get to Eastwatch by the end of episode 6? Or at the beginning of episode 7? And when does the parley take place? Because Jon needs to return South with the Wight in order to show it off at the Dragonpit.
According to the leaks these are the things that happen in episode 6. They arrival in Eastwatch, they get in trouble with the NK and Wights, Dany showing up to rescue them out of nowhere (because she stays behind as we see in the photos), She helicopters everyone but Jon out of there, Jon fights the Night’s King, and gets rescued by Benjen and his horse, Dany and Jon then traveling South with a Wights, showing it off at the Dragonpt and then sail North, all happen in the same episode? Or even in an episode and a half (if the Dragonpit group leaves early episode 6 and arrives by mid episode 6 to Eastwatch). Also, when is King’s Landing going kaboom, because that has been foreshadow 3 times.
Ah, and when is the suppose ambush supposed to take place? I’m curious because it seems Dany will be at Dragonston with Jon from Episode 3 through 6. So, while Jon and the team head to Easwatch, Dany, Tyrion and their army head to The Reach to confront Jaime for having beaten her allies. And then after that she gets spidy sense and flues to the North to rescue the guys? All within the same episode or two.
Although the outdoor leaks regarding Dragonstone appear to be correct, there are many contradictions and events that have our characters act out of characters and thin information about all other storylines most of which take place indoors.
I’ve read and heard similar things as well for years. Glad they were proven wrong.
ghost of winterfell,
Yes I’m hoping that part is false as well
The leaks don’t claim to reveal everything. This is key. There are many twists and turns yet to be revealed. This could be one of them.
ghost of winterfell,
The thing is that we literally have no context for any of that.
We can’t wait like we did for starks because starks are a pack ( there was 4 of them )while dany is Last Dragon ( only member left)
Now is the time because she may never even come out alive from the war..
Let’s hope it goes that way..
I find it kind of odd that so many people are trusting these leaks. A lot of posters are already complaining that this season is going to suck, be fan-fiction, etc. Did we not learn anything last year when there was season-long speculation about who was on those burning Bolton crosses and it turned out to be no one? There are plenty of other examples. Just look at youtube, reddit, and many other sites that are filled with completely wrong speculation and theories. That should at the very least tell you to be skeptical about what you hear over the internet. I’m not saying they have to be incorrect either, but it might be wise not to get too attached to the leaks out there until they can be confirmed.
Everyone forgets that George RR Martin wanted his last book about ASOIAF to have the title ” A time for wolves ” Something that his publicers didn’t want because was too obvious for a title ….. Wolves will play a major part in the end ….. We like it or not
Geralt of Rivia,
I can’t wait to see Aryan and Gendry’s reunion, also a reunion with Arya and nymeria. OH MY HEART.
It looks like Dany will have a very emotional moment with both Jon and Jorah in those photos. Poor Jorah will never leave the friendzone lol
Oh boy..all those spoilers leaks..it’s A LOT to process.
Except Jon. She helped
. And Daenerys is the reason
Geralt of Rivia,
You are not mistaken. Speaking for the women out here, if you’ve seen what Staz Nair looks like out of costume, I don’t blame Emilia one tiny bit for giving him some assistance. 😉
First of all, sorry for imagining bad things about Dany based on blurry video. Once more I have to remind myself not to rush with interpretations, until more reliable information/clearer pictures become available. I hope Dany’s fans will be happy with my apologies.
Now to the topic. IMO, the filmed departure scene will be Ep 6, maybe even its closing sequence. We know that Tyrion’s suicide mission to KL with an unexpected side affect of Davos bringing Gendry in to the game will be in Ep5. Hence, Ep 6 will be dedicated to Team-Dragonstone working out a new plan and starting its implementation. IMO Jorah’s role will be pivotal: he might bring some key information or item from Old Town, that will facilitate that plan. One way or another, that’s exactly what we see here: implementation of the plan, and Jon is leading the mission. I bet this team involving some of the best swordsmen of Westeros and some legends of the Flee Bottom is going to KL to provoke a public uprising and that we will see all of them in the Dragonpit. The King is going for his kingdom; the Queen will be securing air coverage I suppose.
As for the finale it should pack to basic sequences: KL culminating in the Dragonpit and leading to the Cersei’s downfall and the North (Winterfell/Castle Balck) leading to the collapse of the Wall and WW invasion. One way or another, there is no time
taking into account that Davos’ involvement in the Dragonpit sequence has been confirmed earlier.
They are having dinner in the Arzak restaurant
Dany killing tarly’s in itself is not a problem but tyrion and varys horrified over it and doubting her is the main problem in this scene
Maybe she fancïes him. 😉 It was when camera weren’t rolling, just them standing outside of everyone. Good looking fella.
I just can’t imagine them have any kind of peaceful negotiations, especially on Cersie turf.
Well, Stannis wasn’t considered the king by many. In fact, by nobody but Stannis supporters. And Ned, in S1. I mean in the showverse (and bookverse), the fandom is a different matter entirely. 😉
We watchers/readers know Dany has a legitimate claim to the Iron Throne (notwithstanding the Targ rule that females cannot inherit; the rest of the Seven Kingdoms seem to think females can inherit if there’s no legitimate direct male line male heir) but as the situation now stands in showverse, it’s not hers until she overthrows the present monach (Cersei).
We all know Cersei has no legitimate claim whatsover, she plonked her arse on the Iron Throne by a coup, by killing all other powerful people in KL. How does that saying go? Possession is nine tenths of having/owning something? Right now Cersei possesses the Iron Throne – though it’s unsure what exactly she’s queen of – so Dany has to overthrow her. She can’t hold the Iron Throne unless she actually holds it. Unless the Iron Throne as the symbol of the power of the King of the Andals, the First Men and the Rhoynar, etc., you know how it goes, fill it in as Robert said to Ned, isn’t important. Maybe it isn’t.
Dany was willing to grant independence to the Iron Islands for support, even said she’d be willing to consider it for other parts of the Seven Kingdoms. (I’m not sure if that’s wise for Dany or the North, but that’s another debate.)
I think it was important that Jon was acclaimed KitN in 610. That means he’s not just some bastard who helped to take back WF but a fellow monarch, who can come on a diplomatic mission with some gravitas. That puts Jon and Dany in an equal footing, so to speak.
He wants to save his kingdom and the rest of Westeros from an existential threat, Dany wants to win back her kingdom. But unless she helps Jon, her victory in winning the IT from mad queen Cersei would be a hollow and futile one, because she’d soon be queen of an icy wasteland of annihilated and wighted people (and probably dead herself, unless she flees to the Summer Isles or somewhere… Hm, maybe Naath, with Missandei…)
Wow. Can’t believe it. They’re in my city!
The title was never about starks or their wolves but about the hour of wolf in the night. .
Anyone who reads the story must know starks dany and tyrion will have a part to play because they are the protagonists of the story and their coming of age story… You don’t need a Title of book to know that ..
So if she doesn’t go she will be blamed for letting the men die ..
So she goes she will be blamed for giving NK a dragon..
So when we will actually blame someone who come up with this stupid idea in the first place or someone who is so brilliant is ok with this stupid plan .
Never i guess.
Actually Hour of Wolf in ASOIF is the government of Kings Landing by Cregan Stark in the end of dance of dragons…..
They have tagged Jon Snow but I can’t see Kit. Or Emilia.
He came up with this plan because no one believes him, apparently. I get that you need to defend Dany, but you don’t need to keep attacking Jon to do that.
I was speaking about the fandom mostly because we know people of westeros consider dany as rightful heir ..
I dont think targs when making that law knew that their entire legacy will depend on the hands of a girl who is last of their house..
Or she can remove cersei unite south as one and fight the war..
She will put aside her ambition to save the realm ..
But will cersei let them fight WW peacefully… She will be causing problems..
Rightnow i guess it may happen something like dany gives up the fight against cersei and fights WW …
Cersei selfishly wanting to cause a problem somehow end up dying and once the war is over dany is elected as the queen because of her act in the war..
I would like to believe that one..
I was going only by what the leaks said. The show might well give a proper justification for the act.
Dragons are not magical to the Targaryens. Dragons are their heritage. Dragons existed among the people, they were somewhat tamed. White Walkers have not been seen in thousands of years, anyone who saw them last has been lone gone for generations, except for the children of the forest and the children of the forest are also mythical to the humans of Westeros. Dragons are part of factual history, White Walkers exist in old wives tales and such.
Thank you! I was waiting for someone to say this! It doesn’t make any sense for her to be around for too long… none! The only reason to keep that character is to keep the actress and that seems really silly to me.
ghost of winterfell,
The leaks lack context for everything. We should take that into account when judging the story points they reveal. Most of the books and the show would sound dumb if story points were described with no backstory, context or narrative through-line.
Alright, mate. Geez…
She is Queen of the seven kingdoms, she just haven’t reach the iron throne yet. She surely will by the end of the show/books, though. She will also defeat the night king, probably all by herself (I mean… dragons, right? who can beat them?). And everything will be beautiful. Jon is a loser, good for nothing lad. Unworthy of the Dragon Queen time. The starks? meh… also suck big time. /s
I swear, some of the dany stans here are just…
Don’t bother with a super reply attack, I’m exiting the comment section because it’s just pointless. This has become a Dany x Jon thing and it’s just really tiring and boring.
Has anyone else seen this video? What do you see in it? I only see Jorah and Dany talking and then Jon, Davos and Tyrion arriving:
yes! The youtube channel “SmokeScreen” had that same prediction not too long ago. That Dany’s dragons alone could not destroy the army of the dead, they need something else. That would make sense why greyscale is so important, and I mean they def. had it on the other side of the wall because Gilly’s sisters got it. So maybe they’re sending Jorah to spread the disease to them? I don’t know HOW it would slow them down but who knows :/
ghost of winterfell,
Well iam attacking tyrion as well..and I might as well blame those who are OK with this plan and go along with him..
The topic was about the plan so i bringing him along since he is the one who comes up with this plan.
Its stupid because of the person who they are trying to convince..
Tyrion and sansa should know cersei very well shouldn’t they ..
I got a theory regarding the leaks [ spoiler ] What if Jon, Gendry, Davos and Jorah go to the wall just because they come to know about the arrival of Bran at the wall. Bran decides not to cross the wall realizing that he may break the magic or whatever that is holding the Walkers. Jon goes to meet him up and meets the BWB too. Then maybe due to a possible attack on East watch they go to a fight. And Bran alerts Benjen and maybe even Danaerys in advance through some magic and they both arrive as saviours. This may happen over a couple of episodes. Anyhow the spoilers seem disappointing. [/ spoiler ]
The north isn’t her responsibility. I don’t see why she would go. I get her wanting to help but leaving while Cersei is still in power doesnt seem right. And it appears jon and Jorah are departing ep. 6. One episode isn’t enough time to do what the spoiler are saying Dany does.
And if the Cersei thing is true then these characters are high on stupidity.
Bran\’s built-in White Walkers GPS,
It’s the same scene you have up there in article. Just more blurry and from a different angle. In article is clearer version.
The North Remembers,
And I talk about forces both side have, if we took in consideration overall story arc, prophecy, visions and Cersie stupidity it go beyond silly for her to be alive.
ghost of winterfell,
https://www.instagram.com/p/BMCWGzVA1Sf/ Kit in the restaurant
Why are you still discussing the leak here? Haven’t you read the posts telling you not to do this?
Maybe because he sees her as a fellow “rebel” ally against Cersei’s rule?
Also, the advantages of a fire-breathing air force would be obvious to Jon – only being burned or eaten to the bone seem to kill wights.
He has to make Dany inderstand this. I hope it goes well. In the filming spoilers,
I don’t know about any Jon/Dany “romance”. Maybe D&D are laying the groundwork for it to come to frution in S8? Before one or the other tragically and heroically dies? (I’m leaning on Jon doing the ultimate sacrafice in the Heart of Winter and Dany left to heal the kingdom(s) and bring forth a better world – no easy task!)
For this reason i wrote “According ” . I desperately want this union .
ghost of winterfell,
They were yesterday in Donosti.
LOL If you even bothered to read what I wrote then you could have said some of whining ..
I not even said she is queen of westeros ..
I very carefully said that she has the support of three kingdoms reach,dorne ,dragonstone and part of iron islands
So saying she is Queen of nothing is stupid. .since jon as you know is king based on the support of north and vale and possibly riverrun
Which leaves cersei with crownlands and westernlands
And I even used example of stannis who controlled less than dany does ..but still considered as a king
If something I said is false in my post then bring up that otherwise stop with your attack on dany fans while you are doing the same
Geralt of Rivia,
It is so blurry it is almost impossible to see the boat (if you don’t know it’s a boat there on the left). Only people’s movements help recognize the scene!
Agreed, there are too many people against her. Varys/Olenna/Tyrion are among the smartest people and they’re advising Dany. The Tyrells and Martells provided Dany with ships, they’re not going to want to bring the Lannisters into the fold. They want to destroy Cersei and because she alienated herself like that her people will probably starve without the food from the Reach. Dany’s going to approach it like she did in Meeren, she’s saving the people of KL from an evil ruler.
Joarh’s new costume looks awesome! What an unexpected grouping! Jorah, Davos, Jon and Gendry heading off on a boat from DS while Daenerys and Tyrion watch them leave! This must be at least the end of Ep. 5 or ep. 6. Can’t be earlier than that. DS will be a major hub of activity next season, for which, I am very, very, very happy!
If Cersei is still BREATHING at the end of the season, I’ll be really disappointed. That crazy person has outlived her entertainment value. With 13 episodes left, the two most important endgame things have to established quickly. Defeating the WWs, and bringing peace, prosperity, security to Westeros (for me, preferably by getting rid of the feudal system).
But see nobody is calling a rebel or king of nothing ..he is king in the north .
Likewise dany is queen of south with dorne.,reach and dragonstone .so she is not queen of anything as some suggest is wrong which was what I was arguing against ..
Yes she would understand the Situation and danger ..even though if she had doubts at first she will come to believe him..
I believe it will be opposite ..there is too much foreshadowing of jon as king ..so I think jon will be the one who survives..
I would like both of them to survive and take up that job
Apparently she does not ..
I do wonder how the prophecy of valonqor and YmBQ will come to play in this sirutaion ..
Or how we reach to the blown up KL from this meeting
What are you taking about. Have you not read any of the comments. Everyone is discussing them.
The North Remembers,
I think for Dany, to take KL, would be enough to took dragons and fly around KL couple of time and then wait for soldiers to deserts and smallfolk to rebel.
OMG, I so agree with you! Who would have ever thought how excited this spoiler just made me. I’m ready for S7 now…how many more months;(
Do the people of Westeros really consider Daenerys as the legitimate heir to the throne ?
The last Targaryen king was a mad man who arbitrarily murdered people he did not like while his eldest son is mainly remembered for abducting and raping a young woman (and getting killed by Robert Baratheon). As for their ancestors… Between Baelor who starved himself to death to remain “pure”, Oris who fell victim to his brother’s treason and the cavalcade of deaths produced by the Dance of Dragons, the population has more than a couple of reasons to doubt the Targaryens’ suitability as monarchs.
Would they welcome Daenerys with open arms ? Hmm… It remains to be seen. Daenerys is used to be perceived as a saviour, celebrated as a “breaker of chains” by the slaves she frees. But Westerosis are not enslaved and she has yet to make clear what “wheel” she intends to destroy. To top it off, she comes supported by foreign troops infamous for their raping, murderous ways and she has three WMDs that vomit fire. I would not be surprised if the population of Westeros first thought of her endeavour as an aggressive foreign invasion.
Which would be interesting in and by itself because it could cause Daenerys to question herself and her purpose. Introspective Daenerys is my favourite Daenerys ! 😉
I believe we may be a bit too caught up in the “birthright” aspect of things which is not, in and by itself, suprising or illegitimate a concern considering the characters we follow and empathise with do care about this kind of things. However, we also have to acknowledge the pragmatic reality as the story sometimes does.
Cersei is not less legitimate to sit on the throne than her late husband Robert was : he won a war by killing the people who stood on his way (as did his wife); he ended up on the throne as a result of it (and so did she). The whole “Robert had Targaryen blood through his grandmother so he had a claim to the Iron Throne” spiel is a posteriori justification to maintain a semblance of continuity as the characters themselves at times admit : Cersei mentioned that Ned was the first to enter the throne room while King’s Landing fell and she openly stated that, had he chosen to sit on it, he would have become King of the Seven Kingdoms and maesters would probably have named the war “Ned’s Rebellion”. Yet, the Starks have no Dragon blood whatsoever…
Birthright is not the be all and end all of monarchy or legitimacy. After all, Aegon I and his sisters had no rightful claim over Westeros. What they did have was a trio of dragons and they were not afraid to use it. So they won and everybody ultimately bent the knee. ^^
They are. But since the forums work again, people should discuss the leaks there, where it’s more appropriate.
I don’t think it will be and of feudal system, but beginnings of enlightenment era in Westeros.
Couldn’t agree more with this. All of it especially the Cersei bit. The valonqar needs to take care of business, he’s been slacking off for far to long. Also, I want to see the Mad Queen make King’s Landing fly, I mean, burn.
The only reference I’ll make to the leaks are that I don’t think they’re legit.
They’ve basically taken all of the spoilers from here and L7R and added a few plot points here or there, some of which kinda make sense, but the vast majority are blatant gibberish.
To cap it all, the media outlets are trying to validate these by using Nathalies tweets about spoiling the show, when she was clearly referring to the leaked pics/vids we’ve been getting all week.
Has the director for this scene been identified?
BTW, regarding wight-dragon. I don’t believe the Night King could reanimate a dragon out of the blue: first of all he has no means to kill a dragon and there was no setup making possession of such means believable. From what we saw so far dragons can be injured/killed with spears; ballistas would be very handy, but it’s the weapon of men, not the WW. Warlocks also had some ideas and/or means allowing them to incapacitate dragons at least temporarily (and warlocks appear in Euron’s entourage in the books); finally Qybur has discovered some reanimation technology (I guess he used the above-mentioned hand of the wight and somehow infected the Mountain with a sort of zombie-virus), and if he gets a dragon (dead or incapacitated by the warlocks), I can perfectly see him trying his invention on the dragon too. Whether it’s going to work I don’t know, but I can imagine that becoming the cause of Tyrion’s suicide mission to KL (he is the only person other than Dany that dragons trust).
One way or another, I think that the war for KL will turn into the war for dragons (one or two ow them) which will be lost around Ep 3 during Dany’s first encounter with Euron and Cersey and that will motivate Jon’s active involvement which will eventually pave him the way to the Iron Throne. That’s the only layout that makes sense to me, though I may be wrong about details.
Do we know that?
There’s been no indication in the show or books that “the people” consider Dany as the rightful heir at this moment.
In the books,
I grant you that there seems to be an underswell against the current Lannister regime, or any “lordly” regime (that’s what the sparrows movement was/is all about, similar to “peasants revolts” in late medieval Europe), not necessarily for Dany, or anybody else, ATM.
They were published way before any of this photos resurfaces. They’re legit at least partially.
October 26, 2016 at 10:25 am
This season basically everyone meets everyone! ?
Not quite. Sandor, the BWB, Sansa, Sam, Bran and Arya aren’t included. At least the first five had their respective reunions last season. I’m exceedingly keen that Arya, the heretofore Lone Wolf, be reunited with her family and friends (and direwolf, hopefully) at last.
Jenny: Cersei has ALWAYS been delusional. Jaime defenestrated Bran, but Cersei urged it. And she thought the ends justified the means of allowing the nobility and priesthood of Kings Landing be smithereened, as if those two moves would solve anything. She seemed to also think Joffrey was good, sweet, and worthy. But her biggest delusion is that she can and does outsmart everyone. In the short term she’s right, but at such anguishing cost. Long term, she’ll be proven wrong.
About the leaks: IMO they’re plausible and probably right in some particulars, but a stopped clock is right twice a day. They seem rather predictable and sentimental as well, though I find some of the plot turns satisfying.
Well, the thing is, I ‘accidentally’ ended up reading these ‘leaks’ days before they even showed up at the islet to film this past week. Things we’ve been seeing happening seem to coincide with points in the leak that nobody could guess.
Well, I’ve managed to avoid MOST of the leaks previously discussed on a separate part of the forum. I’ve picked up a few things here from context, but I must say that I believe the biggest problem with us getting too much information too soon can be our downfall. I’ve been really excited about what I’ve read here, but today I certainly read too much by reading other’s posts. It’s LONG time to next summer and a LONG winter is ahead of us. I love WOTW cause I know if I read something here it’s honest, but all this talk about the “he-who-shall-not-be-named” leaks has caused so much controversy and I don’t want to spend the next 9 months reading pointless arguments. We can all agree that we will NOT agree on every scene and nuance in S7, but could we just tone it down for at least 6 or 8 months? I’d like to enjoy WOTW without the “debates” to put it nicely.
Yes they do.
Aerys reign common folks where happy and the treasury was full ..
We have some people from river lands who wish the old king was alive in one of the Arya’s POV ..
He only did damage to ceerain lords and commonfolks never care about that..
And even in the rebellion he did have his supporters..
Its funny that his son is remembered for not the things you mentioned ( maybe you are influenced by the show ) but about good things and how capable he is .if they were hated so much I don’t know why Robert was in such a hurry to kill dany.
I guess we have to ignore aegon ,jahaerys,egg,daemon ,maekar.,etc
And we have people of old town drinking in the name of dany as the rightful heir .
Yes she does bring a powerful army ..yes there is no slaves to free…
But you know what is westeros full of ..damaged and suffered because of civil wars between the kingdoms and now currently ruled by a mad queen
How aweful dany comes to westeros with a powerful army who can quickly put an end to all the wars within the kingdoms overthrow a mad queen ..and most of the times don’t even need to go to battle to win ..which will in turn result people being happy
And speaking about those WMD’s spitting fire…they are scary enough people are looking forward to them or wishing to have them at the wall to help…and she brings them at the time when ice creatures who seem to be affected by only fire …
I love all of this but I’m absolutely most intrigued with how Jon leaves Dany. I didn’t really expect him to bow, but it’s exciting that he didn’t. Dany has been presented as a Queen from the get go, while Jon has only ever grappled with his power. I enjoy seeing them on more of an equal playing field like this!
Road Trip to Ice Hell!
Stark Raven’ Rad,
I would like to play devil’s advocate just a teeny wee bit (^^)
Cersei knew Joffrey was a monster. She refered to it on quite a few occasions with the prime example being when she told Tyrion : “you always hear the terrible ones were terrible babies. ‘We should have known, even then we should have known.’ It’s nonsense. Whenever he was with me, he was happy. And no one can take that away from me. Not even Joffrey. ”
She was very much aware of his pathological personality and behaviour; she might even have known she was responsible for some of it, by infusing her son with an overblown sense of self-importance and righteousness. But she loved him wholeheartedly and would have killed anyone who threatened him in any way, shape or form, regardless of how lamentable and dangerous she knew him to be.
On a broader note, Show Cersei is nowhere near as delusional as her Book counterpart. She can be quite astute when she takes the time to think things through. Like her father, she has an inbuilt sense of what the ruthlessness the feudal power system (which is, for all intents and purposes, similar to gang or mob warfare) relies on… To quote The Usual Suspects : “They realized that to be in power, you didn’t need guns or money or even numbers. You just needed the will to do what the other guy wouldn’t.”
Castamere… Sept of Baelor… ^^
Unfortunately, she also happens to be remarkably bitter and have little to no impulse control. So she takes everything personally and overreacts to the nth degree which tends to take her from one chaotic crisis to the next, making things increasingly worse along the way.
To be fair, not really. They were first posted before any of the happenings of the last week happened. The only info he could have had based on this site and othes was locations that filming was going to take place in, but not what was being filmed. It’s been 100% dead on with what has happened in Spain this week.
I bet Kit is enjoying some filming time in Spain, after all these years, lol!
I may have misrepresented my own views but I do not believe I stated that everyone in Westeros will hate Daenerys on sight just because she is a Targaryen. I do not think that. Nor do I think that the Dragons have no loyal partisans left in the Seven Kingdoms. I am certain they do.
I was merely reacting to your hypothesis that the Westerosi population, as a whole, will acknowledge Daenerys as the rightful heir and greet her happily… While some may very well react in as positive a manner, others might feel justifiably ill-at-ease with her arrival.
– The Dothrakis do not have a good reputation in Westeros (nor do they deserve one, to be honest). They are known as raping, pillaging and murdering conquerors. They may have pledged to stop such practices but a) how confident are we supposed to be that they will not revert back to their ancestral customs ?; b) the Westerosi know nothing of that pledge; c) there are 10,000 Dothrakis. I believe the prospect of such an army being unleashed onto them would make many Westerosi nervous, at the very least.
– The dragons will be very useful against the White Walkers, of that there seems to be little doubt. However, from what we gather, the overwhelming majority of the Seven Kingdoms’ population knows nothing of the threat from beyond the Wall. All they will see, initially at least, are three fire-breathing machines that can and will turn them into shish kebabs.
– Robert wanting to kill Daenerys was indeed motivated by his desire to eliminate a potential claim on the throne (which Daenerys of course does have); however, it was equally brought forth by King Bobby’s hatred of anything Dragon and / or Rhaegar related.
As for the Targaryens’ legacy, some will stand by and celebrate it, some will be appalled by and condemn it. But I doubt there will be an immediate or even eventual popular consensus on the benefits of allowing another Targaryen on the throne.
I am sorry, I just saw your post now, I thought the forum was still not working!
Yeah, it would be MY preference for the end of the feudal lordships – because I haven’t seen that the common people are all that well-off in Westeros. But yes, let’s have at least the beginning of an enlightened era which indicate that could be a future direction. I guess I differ in my opinion from a lot of the posters here in that I don’t believe this elaborate series is ONLY about defeating the zombies… errr…. WWs. After spending 8 years, and 8 seasons, there has to be another, more lasting message – and just going back to lordships and Kings and Queens and courts, would fall quite flat for me. 🙂
If the Dragonpit scene is indeed in KL, then parts of KL would have been burnt by the time Daenerys lands in KL. So at least I would like a Cersei-free KL by the end of the season. I would much prefer it if the valonqar finished his business this season too, but if not, she should retreat back to CR, never to be seen at KL again.
Jorah!!! I love his new outfit, finally some new clothes for the Bear
Even D&D can’t possibly be giving us this much fan service without meaning to break hearts. They’re all going to die!
I’ll take a shot at it. Jon was proclaimed King, people knelt before him. Jon, as of right now, is a legitimate King in the North. The Tyrells, The Martells and half the Greyjoys have sworn their support for Daenery Targaryen, they will support her claim to the Targ throne which just happens to be the throne of what was once known as the 7 Kingdoms. That is the key part, she, and Stannis for that matter, can proclaim themselves monarchs as often as they want but until one of them takes ownership of the seat of the King/Queen of the Westeros, the King/Queen of that Kingdom is whoever sits on the throne with a crown in his/her head. No one doubts that sooner or later Dany will be able to overthrow Cersei and reclaim “what’s [hers]” but until she does, she is as much Queen of Westeros as Stannis was King. This is not a slight against her. So try not to take it that way.
I hope they trolling as.
Maybe this has to do with taking KL.
He never had an original post. He only posted comments in threads on the gameofthrones reddit every now and then.
So, no, there was never a post that was deleted. His whole comment history was deleted by him because he was over the negativity he was getting and didn’t feel it was worth it.
I haven’t gone through all the comments yet, but I can understand Jorah heading North with Jon an co. He is a northerner whose voice would carry weight there as a Dany diplomat.
You keep throwing it out there and while I try to ignore it I just have to comment about it again. Your Dr. Qyburnstein’s Dragonmonster… it’s really the worst idea/theory you have imo. If that were to happen it may just be the most awful thing in the entire series. I mean, it would fall in the “oh my gawd that’s dumb” category if I had to watch it. Sorry, just honesty.
While I don’t believe what he’s done to animate The Mountain is the same thing as R’hllor (supposedly) giving back life or the wights, perhaps he could do the same with a dragon. Still, people have already thought the resurrection card has been played too much so I think continued monster making would be old from the start. The other question I made in a previous comment was why do you think that Qyburn, Cersei or anybody would be able to control this dragonmonster? Who’s to say that the dragon wouldn’t just rampage on everyone or even continue to obey Daenerys?
It’s also interesting that you think it’s more outlandish that the NK would be able to kill a living creature. He’s a magical being with weapons made of ice and can break spells by touching the ground for starters… I think he has the means to get it done.
Yes, this is what I mean by there being instances in the books of support shown to the old Targaryen regime, and, in this instance, among Citadel students (unusually educated, informed and interested in such matters), specifically for Dany. (And the Citadel students don’t actually agree on this point, but you conveniently left out the rest of the quote.)
It is not an overwhelming, common sentiment throughout the Seven Kingdoms at this point. I hope it will be, but at the moment it is not.
Jorah must’ve been cured because he would hardly be useful in his state and his contion was getting worse. He was barely able to fight Dothraki at Vaes Dothrak. He wouldn’t touch Dany like he did in pictures or video.
I wish people would stop calling them ‘leaks’. That lends an assumption of legitimacy, which cannot be confirmed.
Daenerys, by accepting Yara’s terms (independence for the Iron Islands), has basically created a legal/diplomatic precedent for every kingdom. This means Daenerys can be Queen of a part of Westeros, the Greyjoys on the Iron Islands, Jon Stark in the North.
I wish people would stop calling them ‘leaks’. That lends an assumption of legitimacy, which cannot be confirmed.
I totally agree with all you said about Dany’s perception in Westeros and I think the costume designers made a conscious choice dressing Dany almost like Cersey. What is the difference between two squabbling queens? Haircut, – that’s what Westeros would say. So, yes hardly we can expect the people to rally behind her.
The one who they might rally behind is Jon. He is local, he has always been humble and modest, served the realm while others were tearing it apart etc. And his power is growing rapidly: he is the KITN with the Vale affiliated and the Riverlands can be expected to join his camp by mid season. Even the Stormlands might start looking at him (they should know that Brienne of Tarth serves the Starks), and the Reach is also not excluded: if Ollena and/or the Tarlies are killed, Jon’s best friend and promoter Sam may become quite influential.
As for the Crownlands and the Flee Bottom of KL in particular, Jon would be the most compelling choice too: basically a self-made man with a noble blood and a great reputation. And Gendry who is primed to become the voice and face of the Flee Bottom might see Jon as an inspiration for his own quest, and there is also a factor of Arya who could have told Gendry a lot of good things about her half brother.
All in all, I feel that it will be the Flee Bottom who will become an ultimate king-maker. Those who don’t like parallels with recent revolutions may check the Hussite Uprising or the story of John I of Portugal who clearly is Jon’s historical prototype.
And Jon is already playing front and center of the Team-Dragonstone.
So, it looks like we should prepare a new chant for him.
I do think the mistake is on my part and I apologize for that..
I do not think or wanted to say that everyone will accept dany and love her ..it’s impossible everyone to have same taste and ideas right..
I was just trying to say most people of westeros do recognize the claim of dany..Robert wanting to kill her also comes from the fear of recognising that claim ..
But that doesn’t mean she can walk and climb the throne while others stand up and step aside..
She must fight for it
Yes no one knows about WW but that will change this season..the same season dany will arrive..
Regarding dothraki I believe there are more than 10000 they will obey their TSWMTW and do as she say ….and if you look at it they are now being united ..lead by a female and crossed the poison water
..they are in for a change and they are changing for good .
On one one hand she has dothraki on the other hand she has unsullied who are comolete complete opposite of dothraki’s ..
So much is focused on how dothraki and ironborn and dragons and how they are viewed ..
Most of the time people fail to see what such a big army can do ..and how quickly it can end all the civil wars and be united to face a threat can kill everyone human
Well then we must wait for sometime to have all of the kingdoms kneel and swear fealty to her..
poor gendry. all those years rowing around the ocean. he gets to land and what do they do? put him back in a boat.
http://emiliaclarkebrasil.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=33112&fullsize=1 Gendry 🙂
http://emiliaclarkebrasil.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=33115&fullsize=1 Matt Shakman!?
http://emiliaclarkebrasil.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=33146&fullsize=1 2 Stark soldiers next to the second boat
All these stories are so intertwined at this point i just want one big pub scene where everyone is drunk and calling to the attention that they all met at different times and laughing about it.. Whaaa Arya?! You know Gendry too? Guys wicked good at armor. lol
Ahhh i just dawned on me that Gendry meeting Jon means that there will hopefully be a scene where Gendry says he met Arya and they talk about her. Jon hearing the first news of his favorite sister would be a powerful scene.
Shakman might be doing two episodes.
In GoT even magical powers are built on the basis of a certain setup. And as for the dragons, we saw that they were able to control dragons for a certain period of time: they were not spitting fire at them until their mommy told them to. So, what was the point of the HOTU plot? Show some visions and be done with that? And why would be the warlocks reappearing in Euron’s story? Just for fun?
And it’s pretty obvious that this season Dany will be losing some of her dragons to Cersey and Euron. How can Cersei be in control of KL in Ep 5, if Dany controls the air? How could Yara be captured, if Dany controls the air? Or you imagine that Dany will be sending her allies out without air coverage to have more time for hanging with Jon Snow on the battlements of Dragonstone? Thank you.
If you want to criticize, give arguments, please. Liking/not liking is not an argument.
Geralt of Rivia,
yeah, I think so too.
Your analysis of Cersei is spot-on. The best I’ve read.
Bran’s built-in White Walker GPS,
Well, Dany said to Yara “You will respect integrity of the Seven Kingdoms”, and “respect integrity” is just a politically correct way to say “forget your independence”. Heard that many many times.
That guy at the head of the boat in the last picture reminded me of Stannis for a fleeting moment, and I thought I was losing my marbles. ?
Gendry looking a proper lordling ..color me impressed
Geralt of Rivia,
Well I don’t know when exactly this “leak” came out- oldest reference I can see is 5 days ago.
By which time a LOT of the believable stuff mentioned in it had already been revealed here or elsewhere.
The exception (which seems to lend credibility to it) are recent events we’ve seen in the last few days, but most of those events had already been predicted and discussed here at length- we’d guessed the locations that Zumaia etc would cover and many of these recent events are logical plot developments.
The rest is just plain fanwank.
On another note (while we’re on the subject of fanwank), I’m pleased to see Jon’s departure from Dany was amicable, amiable and totally and unquestionably PLATONIC. ?
Nice photos! And yes, looks like Shakman. Soooooo… Ep. 5 AND 6? It could still be the very end bit of Episode 5 (which I tend to favor myself). Daenerys needs two episodes to get off Dragonstone and settle herself at KL!
Why would you want Jon Snow to sleep with his Aunt? The series has enough men grovelling at Dany’s feet. Sadly, it’s becoming more and more apparent that this is all heading to a Disney ending. It doesn’t matter how many people die as long as Barbie and Ken get together at the end, how stereotypical and those of us who know Martin’s writing know he is anything but stereotypical.
We know that Davos is going with them and is presented in dragonpit. If this is ep. 5 or 6 likely directd by Shakman, Jon and co must be in dragonpit too.
So far a lot of things comes true. Sure, plot point, details or some things missing context but a lot of it’s true. Even the unbeliveable stuff such as mission North.
What did you expect. Jon and Dany to kiss or hug? They barely know each other. Jorah kissed her hand or bowed. Maybe both since they know each other.
Gendry is looking good, Jorah too.
This makes it official,then!! I´m so happy that I was wrong and Dany isn´t going the way of the Cuckoo Bird! For years, I thought she was gonna be like the Mad King and end up crazy 🙂
Geralt of Rivia,
I expected nothing. Which is precisely what we got. Others however have them sharing a gondola in Venice and buying a condo with a red door in the Vale.
https://twitter.com/AdriBilbao1/status/791407428726292484 Lol fans keep taking photos of Kit’s balcony lol Kit was with Joe and Staz in his room 🙂
Not necessarily. We only see them leaving on the same small boat. They’re not gonna row all the way to KL in that boat but will board larger ships out at sea. So they won’t necessarily be on the same ship or going to the same destination.
Wow sorry I read this thread. I don’t want to know anything about the leaks if I did I would have gone to the source. I love WOtW and I will be back when it all cools down. Most of these posts are either arguments or leak spoilers. I will just look at the pictures.
I’m sorry about that. I hope you return to the comments soon 🙁
People were told to cover their spoilers from the presumed leak and preferably to move all discussion about it to the forums… Few have done the latter, and most the former, but a few commenters don’t even bother with tagging their spoilers.
BE CAREFUL, please. Tag your spoilers if they are spoilers not discussed in the report. Preferably, move all discussion of the leak to the forums.
When I read it first, I thought no way D&D are doing this. It sounds ridiculous but it’s because of missing context. When you put it like that person did, it sounds 15 years old fanfic and I don’t blame your scepticism. I was there before you. Couple of things sounds cool but for example Jon’s name nah, that is something not many people will like.
I love that Gendry is back but I find it a wee bit cheese (maybe?) for Gendry to a have taken up Baratheon colors and I think there was a vid on this site of him with war hammer. Oh boy.
Ned raised Jon. He never gave him the Stark name but like Cat recounted in the books, Ned called him son for all the north to see. So that’s one thing. Robert, on the other hand, never knew Gendry existed. Would he have cared? More than likely, no.
I know! It’s killing me.
That’s was my first thought too, he looks like a lord. He must have been making a good living in KL these last few years. He’s never looked this nice. Good for him; unfortunately he’s now mixed in with Team Jonerys so things can only go downhill from here.
Not long time ago I watched a video of a guy who was at Balticon and someone asked GRRM if the
Omg. Yes. Someone who sees it like I do. I personally think these leaks are bull crap. Everyone else thinks they’re awesome…why is that?
Aw heck, I don’t care what colors Gendry wears, I’m glad he’s back. But why not? He almost died for being a Baratheon, even though few besides Melisandre knew of his bloodline. He might as well live as a Baratheon, imho. As far as what Robert would think, I think he would laugh his rotund ass off in delight that one of his offspring was lucky enough to survive the total calamity of Cersei, and let the world know that he, Gendry, is around to carry the Baratheon name. Oh my gosh, I called Gendry lucky for surviving. I hope that’s not a total jinx.
Also, if he is now an ally of Jon’s, that’s kind of a soothing thing, that a friendship between the Starks, Targaryans and Baratheons thrives to now make peace and protect the land, rather than tear it all apart because of personal pride. They will leave it better than they found it, which is what Dany declared as her goal.
In this photo it appears as though Dany is crying. Clearly she is upset at Jorah’s leaving so him going more than likely is him being forced to go for some reason (obligation, honor, something that needs to be done that only he can do). The nights watch is decimated and might be in need of a new lord commander so this could be a final goodbye if Jorah is to fulfill his father’s wish. Or, for the battle north, Jon is in need of a general and Jorah also feels he needs to go.
Well your right about Emilia’s face, she looks heartbroken. Bloody Jorah and Dany and their heartbreaking goodbyes, when will it end?
I imagine Dany tries to pull herself together before her conversation with Jon.
Lyanna Mormont is actually Jorah’s (much younger) cousin, not his niece. His father was her mother’s brother.
In addition to what darksister said above, I asked Martin on Livejournal if The Ice Dragon was set in the world of A Song of Ice and Fire, and he told me it wasn’t. Even though it says on the back cover that it is.
Because of the dramatic irony of their sleeping together without knowing their relation.
Gendry’s body language/pose makes him look uncomfortable in his furs, lol.
I’m fucking glad/psyched he’s back though! Future BAMF Lord of Storm’s end!
You just stated nearly exactly what Mawk said.
I still think this could be Casterly Rock. The very first photo on this post shows an archway with two creatures on the top. They don’t look like dragons… they look more like LIONS. Why do we think it is Dragonstone? Did I miss something?
Oh not again. Lol.
Jon is a bastard Dany is not.
Dany is a Targ, officialy Jon is a Snow/Stark, if he conveniently switches to Targ then he is no king in the north. The North wants independence, Dany will give independence to whomever follows a new order (lets say new international pro social justice policy) because she conquers by ideology, she doesn´t need a united kigdom as long as they follow the ideology (the key to real unity, her treaty with the greyjoys stands for that), if jon claims the throne he loses the north to the true heirs Sansa and Bran, he can´t have both, he loses Dorne and highharden, the iron islands because they already chose Dany, with Dany he has them all plus probably casterly rock via tyrion and jaime, if jon claims the throne he loses the war for the dawn too because not even Dany will give 2 shits about such thing once she finds out about the long night, I mean she stayed in Mereen to help slaves and learn how to be a good ruler, Dany´s idea of ruling is to protect the common people against the powerful and she conquers by ideolofy first, if he claims the throne and Dany offers to fight against the long night just like she did with the masters then Jon is doomed.
Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms, then his linage got the throne, Dany is his descendant and basically his second coming, Dany has right by conquest, any bastards claim is invalid against what the iron throne stands for but I´m pretty sure Dany will lose interest in the throne as soon as she sets a foot in Westeros. Jon´s claim is fan service and makes no sense story and character wise, people are chosing their leaders, she has Dorne, highgarden, the iron born and probably casterly rock via tyrion (we all know jaime may fall with cercie). Jon has the free folk, the north maybe the riverlands if edmure grows the fuck up and the vale thanks to Sansa. He has less warriors than Dany and no dragons or fleet. He needs to join her not to go on a power trip for the throne against her.
I think jon is super smart but the fanfictions about his claim and his ultimate hero role are super dumb. People expect dumb shit for him because they feel it will be satisfiying? A lot of people feel satisfied by dumb shit.
All true, but reports of Ice Dragons in the Shivering Sea are included in the George-approved The World of Ice and Fire…
I couldn’t agree more. It seems the leaked theory is right on the spot after all, it scares me.
I agree that some of the “leaks” sound less than ideal…but the success of a filmed plot lies largely in the actual visual execution, not the reductive description; some of the best movies and series of all time have plots that sound, frankly, ridiculous if you simply relied in the verbal descriptions…it all depends on the actual execution…
As for the accuracy of the “leaks”, well, some of the things mentioned there match what has been filmed so far, and the “leaks” preceded the availability of the photographs, so, perhaps there was some basis in fact? Nothing so far that we’ve seen contradicts them…
Remember the “leaks” from last year? They were categorically denounced as fan fiction last year by the mods of multiple GOT sites, including this one; so far, crickets in regards to any comments on the veracity of these ones; take from that what you will…
Thank god someone noticed that. 😀 I was just thinking about that the other day. It gave me some ‘Oldboy’ vibes, LOL.
Honestly, I don’t have an issue with the Aunt/Nephew thing if that’s where things go, especially when this series had implanted incest from the very beginning. We didn’t bat an eye at the earlier generations of Targaryens hooking up with each other in an effort to retain their fire-bloodline. When you think of Aegon and his sisters conquering the land, no one is going EEEEEWWWW INCEST! Everyone is going ‘woah, bad-asses on dragons wielding cool swords. o_o ‘
We’ve also learned to appreciate Jaime and his redemption arc despite his intimate dealings with Cersei. We understand the extent of his loyalty and devotion to those he cares about, an ironic trait to have for a guy like him. We empathized with Jaime and his loss, even Cersei. We saw their children as human beings; not mere products of incest that deserved to die. Some of us even rooted for Cersei when she confessed to Septa Unella over her love to her family; she wouldn’t allow anyone to dictate her feelings, no matter the taboo. Even in the times we wish for Jaime to leave Cersei, it’s because we know she’s not good for him as a person. We’re more offended by Cersei’s actions, behavior, and words than her relation to him.
We’ve given GRRM plenty of credit for creating rich, fully dimensional characters despite any taboos that surround them. We’ve also accepted that this Westeros world will challenge us and our comfort zones. And yet… when a taboo act happens to OUR favorite character we suddenly flip our switch. Suddenly, the story “has gone too far”, “become predictable” or “got cheesy”. Suddenly, the writing is crap and we come up with a million reasons why it can’t go down this way.
But taboo things happen to anyone at any time. They don’t just conveniently happen to secondary characters, or the ‘bad guys’, or characters we aren’t invested in. Taboo acts don’t miraculously stop because we want them too. GRRM keeps the playing field open to anyone. Through his story and characters he proves no person is above taboo. He also reveals that some taboos are nowhere near as terrible as others. What people do in the privacy of their bedrooms is their business, not ours.
If Jon are Dany are meant to be together, so be it. And if their relationship sounds ‘predictable’ it’s because thousands of readers have had plenty of time to speculate over this possibility FOR YEARS. Hell, people whined about Jon’s true heritage, insisting R+L was too ‘predictable’. But it only *became* predictable because several readers who paid extra attention to the book’s details decoded the mystery years in advance for everyone.
If GRRM’s fantasy actually does incorporate a Dany/Jon thing, I suspect he’ll have to work THREE TIMES harder to make it work since enough people are ready to accuse this pairing as being predictable or cheesy. It doesn’t even matter if this was GRRM’s original vision/direction. People are ready to come down with the wrath of God if it ends this way. I find that kinda sad since the narrative should be free to go whichever way it needs to go.
He is actually stereotypical, he only writes it as if he wasn’t. When you are writing is never the what, is the how. In thousands of years of civilization, there is no story that hasn’t been told, no character you haven’t met before. The only new thing storytellers can do to seem original is to find innovative ways to tell you the same tale so that you can see it in a new light. Also you have it wrong, Jon and Dany may get together and even fall for one another but a happy ending for both is very unlikely. One will be sacrifice to the anti-cliche, anti-stereotypical Gods to appease the masses.
Bah! I hate that it might be true 🙁 I thought it was cheesy
Gendry has come back to row some more..
Why would Dany need 2 episodes to settle in KL? Makes no sense: what would she do?
Ep 4 will be Jon’s arrival to Dragonstone and it’s aftermath;
Ep 5 will be Tyrion’s and Davo’s mission to KL and it’s aftermath (Gendry);
Ep 6 will be Jorah’s arrival and it’s aftermath (IMO, he will bring some crucial information that will enable a new plan of taking KL from within which is Dany’s favorite tactics, BTW). The episode seams to be closing with Jon’s team going on the mission. It’s pretty clear that he will be commanding the land operation, and I think that Dany will be following him on the dragon shortly afterwards to provide aerial support, when appropriate. Tyrion is a bit of a wild card: I expected him to go to KL with Jon, but apparently he will be having a task of his own.
As for Theon’s arrival, it may fit into Ep 5 or 6 but one way or another it will be a source of problems (Theon might bring Euron on his tail or something), but one way or another his arrival looks to be triggering some actions of the Team-Dragonstone: IMO that will be either Tyrion’s or Jon’s mission.
And one more thing I wanted to admit. Neither Varys, nor Grey Worm/Unsullied appear in any of the leaked scenes. We had one photo with them on set in costumes but based on the precedent with Sibel’s Kekilli (Shae’s) appearance in Meereen during the last season shooting Varys and Grey Worm on Dragonstone may simply be a decoy. IMO the Unsullied are made up to play the role of 300 Spartans and I expect them to do that during Dany’s first landing attempt: I expect them to die to the last man buying time for their Queen’s escape. As for Varys, it’s more complicated: in 610 he was on the same boat with the surviving crew (Dany, Tyrion, and Missandei), but they may part ways at some moment during the first landing attempt: Varys may go somewhere to meet his informers or something, and I expect him to be killed by his little birds whom Qyburn transformed into monsters.
I think it was in this thread that I wondered if Jon was leaving Dragonstone without the dragonglass…well, it looks like he managed to get some after all. In the updated pictures there are 2 rectangular boxes sitting on the beach next to the boat and in another picture from that Emilia Clarke website, Jorah is seen lifting one of those boxes into the boat. I think the dragonglass is in those boxes. Hopefully, Jon doesn’t lose this supply like he did his previous one.
Also I’m really curious who those men are that push the boat offshore. In some of the pictures, I see 2 of the Stark soldiers that arrived with Jon but these new dudes don’t look like Stark men. Something about them makes me think they’re Ironborn. I wonder if they are the men who arrived with Theon and remain allied with Dany, and maybe she sends them to accompany Jon and Co. on their mission.
I can’t wait to find out what spoilery goodness we get tomorrow.
Wow. 350+ comments and I’m the first to raise the question of what small object Tyrion is holding out to Jorah? Looks to me like it might be some sort of signet ring or the like – something that his siblings would recognize and know that Jorah was indeed bearing a message from their brother.
Well said, Jess. ?
The men pushing the boat offshore are definitely Ironborn (or at least they wear Ironborn costumes).
The photo of Tyrion handing or showing something to Jorah looks to be made between the takes (their facial expressions are not in line with the filmed sequesnce IMO).
ghost of winterfell,
Maybe it’s cause Jon knows what a POS Sam’s dad is? But you’re right it’s completely out of character.
The Darth Vader outfit looks awesome on Jorah, btw. Has he always worn that ring? I don’t remember one.
I think they will not show how Jorrah was cured. And keep it secret (Ashay my guess)
Jon, Davos, Gendry, Jorah,
Suicide Squad of Westeros
It’s like a beginning of an RPG.
I thought so too at first but actually their cloaks are somewhat different in style and length. The salt stained fabric is the same which is where the confusion arises.
Doesn’t help in identifying whose men they are mind you.
Geralt of Rivia,
Not necessarily.This might be the end of ep.5 and ep.6 starts you know where.Also sometimes directors film scenes for other episodes.No need to bother Alan Taylor for just one scene in Zumaia.
I’ve been looking through all the photos we’ve gotten since Saturday and the funniest thing I noticed is that the Dothraki warriors have been reduced to glorified bodyguards. These guys crossed the “poison water” for the promise of battle and glory but so far the most exciting thing they’ve done is filch Jon’s rowboat and sword. All they’ve seen is people arriving in little boats, shaking hands, and talking. Those guys stationed on Dragonstone probably feel a bit cheated.
(And yes, I know they will eventually see some real action. I just find it amusing that all they’ve done so far is stand around looking bored)
I can’t post in the forum at all now for some reason. I submit the post and nothing appears ?
Oh no no no, the FUNNIEST one is of the crew member standing literally on the edge of the cliff at San juan de gaztelugatxe, scratching his ass while one of the most amazing scenes are being filmed feet away. Hilarious! ?
I think they’re Stark men. You can see two Stark soldiers with them too.
Luka, does Sue or you or anyone at WotW give credence to those leaks? I thought the guy who “leaked” them,backtracked? Why are they still a thing,then?
Are they filming today does anybody know?
I guess so
They still have to film dany’s landing scene ..
This picture has become a meme and I have never been happier in my life lol.
Yeah that’s true.I wonder if Jacob is back?
Lol love it .
I guess he must be along with colneth hill if they are going to film the landing ..
Wonder we will get to see Jeremy podeswa there for this scene or will this also be done by Matt
I think it depends if he has other things to film in Spain he might be there.But if it’s only this than Mark or Matt might do the job.
This pic is the most precious thing to come out of this off-season so far, lmao. I love it.
I saw it on twitter earlier.
I think some people were guessing that this (Dany’s landing) would be the night scene that they intended to film there. If so, can we be sure that they haven’t filmed it yet?
Yeah that’s what I think too…
If the filming at that hill with Emilia Nathalie and Jacob and colneth and peter is continuation of her landing scene .,then podeswa may already will be present there …
ghost of winterfell,
I don’t think that scene needed to be filmed in the beach ..if thats scene is happening then dany will land straight in the castle ..like we saw last season..
It could have been filmed at night ..but I would be surprised if they filmed and we didn’t have one photo of cast considering the paparazzi and daily mail’s interests there..
And like I said in last post if the scene we saw couple of days ago was a continuation of her landing than it happens in daytime.
Well, any insight that I can give you is publicly known, but I think you might not be totally up to date, so:
And so far, it seems they are.
ghost of winterfell,
JORAH is cured because he kisses Dany’s hand in the video! MY LOVES!!!
You could be right. So if her landing happens during the day, what is the night scene they intend to film? Mining for dragonglass maybe?
ok! thanx for the reply!
I want the exact opposite scene ..
Dany and Ghost ..its my crackpot that dany actually saw jon in HOTU with wolf head…so she may realize as soon as she sees ghost …we already have Mel and ghost bonding I expect something similar ..
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah there is supposed to filming done in the caves …so that seems more likely.
So the season ends with them rocking the boat while going north but considering the wall falls maybe they will regroup at Winterfell and that’s where Dany will meet Ghost??
she is not a good Leader by any means… she is a conqueror but not a leader/ etc she is like Robert he won the war but he wasn’t suit for leadership…. she “conquered Meeren etc.” but she lefts them worst….no system etc.
If you said that make Jon the King of the seven is a fan service… is most Fan service do the same with Dany… and about the Army she had they are summer soldiers not winter soldiers… they are going to died, in case you don’t remember Stanni’s army they were from the south and they were suffering because the winter…
she is not invincible..
Yeah, I would love to see
As for Dany meeting Ghost, that might happen if HBO manages to find the budget for him in some place they haven’t looked yet.
ghost of winterfell,
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah House of the undying vision about red wedding ..
Yeah i guess we will see those meeting in season 8 and also with Arya..
That would work too .
Too elaborate on my crackpot theory …you remember the dreams jon have about crypts those will always have a feast in winter fell..and since all the starks are dead and jon ( man- wolf – man)now stabbed…so he isthe appealing mute king waiting for dany with the wolf head because ghost is mute.
I don’t remember the full details since it was one of my earlier theories years ago and labelled as crackpot ones.
Where is Tormund through all of this!? Hopefully shacking up with Brienne on that long boat ride!
Yeah i have the same feeling about meeting bran…i would like to see what bran thinks about other characters like dany tyrion and jorah
I would like to see more Bran period but he hasn’t been the luckiest in that department
Basically, Jon’s team is a mixture: two men in Stark armor; Ironborn (?), two guys from KL Flee Bottom (Davos and Gendry), and Jorah Mormont who must have an ace up in his sleeve. Dragonstone Dream Team United. Cersei & Euron have no chance.
Hello. I am not posting any supposed leaks but i just want to add some possible explanations. An individual (s) was aware in advance of shooting on the set we have seen this past week in pictures. This person or persons was aware what actors are filming and what scenes. (So and so is arriving by boat and will be met by so and so.) However, the actual details and story still remain a mystery. From my understanding the original detail of these scenes when they were first posted either was later left out and replaced with a general outline after poster deleted their account. Also it is known fact that emilia and kit are filming in iceland in january. It was also proven on grrm official site that there are no ice dragons in the world of ice and fire. Ice dragons are included in the details. I am not trying to burst anyones hopes but the actual scripts themselves are kept under lock and key. Several people who work on set know what characters arrive by boat in advance of the actual shooting of the scene for example.But the details are an entirely different thing.
She is the best leader in GOT, She did impossible things in thousand and thousand years even Tywin would fail so badly if he tried to what she did, are you kidding? Jon Snow is so bottom in list of leaders, even 10 year old kid would be better than him at ruling NW, dude is good fighter but as leader he sucks so hard
Eh, I think your perspective of their prowess as leaders is one of the shows great weaknesses compared to the books. Without spoiling any book details, Jon is an extremely thoughtful and resourceful leader as well as a good fighter. Dany is best when she has her advisers about. But still no one is worse than Cersei. She’s a burning sept if you get my drift…
Nah. Agnatic-cognatic primogeniture all the way in Westeros (apart from Dorne, where it’s pure cognatic)!
Part of the problem with Bran has been that his book material post A Clash of Kings is limited because he enters into the position of knowing too much; his chapters are few and far between to avoid giving too much away. That is how we ended up with both the stay at Craster’s Keep in season four and Bran taking a year out in season five – the book material needed to be padded out. I think that D&D have now encountered a similiar problem in that too much time with Bran = the potential to give too much away to the viewer too soon. That said, now that we are entering the final stretch of episodes, we have to see more of Bran to establish the extent of his powers, and because what he knows is becoming imminently relevant. I believe Bran to be one of the main, end-game characters, so I think we will see more of him in season seven – and definitely more in season eight.
I also think the lack of screen time he gets is a shame, because both in the show and in the books, Bran is one of my favorite characters.
Yes these spoilers were posted a month ago. But my question is
can you tell me when they actually put that set together? I remember they mentioned row boats coming ashore. They mentioned casting actors for some scenes on a beach that ended up being the scenes they just filmed. At the time some believed it couldve been a battle scene but it was the scenes where characters were coming ashore. We are not talking actual filming but instead when they were preparing the filming site to film specific scenes. These actual preparations are different than filming.again i know people get really passionate about what they want to happen and i respect that. There are just some holes in this whole thing, thats all.
I would have loved to have seen Tormund interact with Team Daenerys also – particularly the Unsullied and Dothraki. It would be amazing to see! I think that Jon has probably left him at Winterfell – which means there is the potential we get some more Brienne/Tormund scenes (fingers crossed!) – or he has returned to the wildling encampment just south of Castle Black. I am hoping that it is the former. I loved the Brienne/Tormund scenes in season six (even though they didn’t exchange a word it was pure comedy genius) and I also think that Jon would want to keep at least one or two of the free folk at Winterfell to ensure that their voice is heard in his councils, and because they know what lies beyond the Wall better than anyone else at Winterfell (excepting, perhaps, Jon himself).
I totally agree with you, and I add:
– locations, hotels and many other things have to be booked in advance. It is very easy to have leaks this way. People get reservations or see plans and schedules…many people. I am in the business, so I know much about what’s going on;
– Iain Glen let slip details in a video 6 months ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_S4toNUc04
– about the Iceland filming: I have read about it months ago, but I forgot the source. I even remember planning on making a trip to Iceland myself!
Yeah its a shame .
Now I really don’t want to get into this in the morning
Dany is as much as thoughtful and resourceful and its in the books as well.
Where is this advisors bit coming from… If we are going to speak about books..each and everyone in her council will give different advice ..and she has always been given to choose from two worst case scenarios but dany listens to what they all has to say and always comes up with an alternative that they can’t see..
Only because she had Dragons and Jorah and he is in love with her… but She without Dragons, wouldn’t do anything… and Tywin was excellent Leader not good father but good leader… when he was the Hand of the King for Dany’s father and the Realm prosper and that time, it was only for Twin’s doing not for Aerys… She is a Conquered not a Leader… Jon is much better as a Leader… ( to bad the show doesn’t never touch that part of his character)
This is the couple I want to see banging on a boat, in the woods, on the Wall, wherever, whenever.
Tormund x Brienne, the one true ship!
It might be Lightbringer is Tormund’s cock, after all! To be tempered, well, you get the rest by yourself…
I totally agree.
Jorah, a misunderstood and misread character, is pivotal in Daenerys’s political “education” and also as an advisor with a very practical mind (Barristan is too romantic, for example). Book-verse (somethings are true in show-verse as well): it is Jorah who tells her the people don’t give a fuck about royals, and always suffer at war; it is him who gives her the books with songs and histories from the 7 kingdoms and who explains her many things about Westeros and Essos; it is him who tells her she reminds him of Rhaegar, who was different from Aerys, from Viserys, was a good warrior…but lost a war, his life and a kingdom on the Trident. Without Jorah, she would not have the Unsullied – credit to her for the dragon plot twist, but apart from that it was all Jorah’s plot! –
https://twitter.com/TadeVlogs_/status/791611333288615936 Photos from today’s filming with
Similarly we can chalk it up all jon is now because of Ned and sam right..
Lets stop with this conqueror not a ruler thing… If you think show never touched jon’s ruling abilities same goes for dany as well..
Thanks for the info. Last year a poster leaked season 6 and this was back in november i believe. This person knew arya would be involved in a plot where she watches a play depicting the war of 5 kings but lannister s were the good guys. Her role was to infiltrate the play and kill someone. This leaker also said arya will kill the waif. This was interesting since some of this stuff happened in season 6 so this stuff was legitimate. but alot of his other leaks didnt even come close to happening. Thats why i wonder if there are people on set who know certain things so when they happen, we believe we know the entire season, then we are hit with the real show and we are shocked. Maybe i should row myself out to sea since ive been wrong on stuff in the past.
So we have the whole crew cool!!
Yup. I think Jacob is the only one missing in there.
I would have said this is her landing scene if not for Davos..
So this must be another scene or davos is already there when dany arrives.
Jon (Kit) is there too in the last picture, he was sitting next to Conleth.
Oh OK so this must be another scene ..
God I never realized this there will be this much scenes there ..so iam happy
He is there in the second pic as well, even though he was not marked, sitting on the parapet. This is obviously a scene that involves both teams.
How do you know Kit and Emilia will be filming in Iceland? Grrm said no ice dragons, true.
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah, he is with that lady from production 🙂
I think there are no dothrakis in the pictures!?
OK I retract my earlier statement regarding the “leak”.. seems the person initially posted a few weeks ago, long before these latest photos and videos.
So maybe some of this is correct. Kinda bummed about it TBH as I read it a few days back (convinced that it wasn’t legit), but that’s my own fault.
Let’s not talk about what it reveals here though (even with spoiler codes) as it’s really unfair on those that don’t wanna know what may or may not happen.
Also- it’s clear that a few here have taken these “leaks” and wrapped them into their own “long held” theories… cut the bull, it ain’t fooling anyone.
I want a Jon and Varys scene so badly. Give it to me, D&D!
Yeah, but I expect some of them to be around, since they have taken over the bodyguard duties.
Geralt of Rivia,
Absolutely agree – they can reminisce about Ned! And Varys can tell Jon to make sure that he doesn’t make the same mistakes Ned did. I wonder how much Varys will know about Jon and his rise to KiTN before his arrival?
New day new pics love it!!!
Just need the on and greyworm to make it a full house
Yeah, there seems to be a lot of interaction between Team Daenerys and Team Jon in season seven – and these are only the exterior shots; there will be the numerous interiors to look forward to!
Varys has a large network of spies. I assume he knows Jon was made KITN.
Sorry – I meant that I wonder how much prior information Varys will have on the process through which Jon became KiTN before they meet at Dragonstone. How much will he know about Jon’s life before he became king? How much will he know about Jon leaving the NW?
The new Dragonstone squad 😀
The article says this is yesterday but I don’t trust the Daily mail so who knows
The pictures are from today. https://twitter.com/TadeVlogs_/status/791611333288615936
Dailyfail always does a great work on their articles lol
Dany has a different cape. Its today.
Squad on the sand:
More pictures! 😀
Yeah I figured they are useless
This might be a scene where they discussed what happened with Olenna, the Sandsnakes, Theon and Yara. After that discussion Danny might decide that she quickly wants to ambush the Lannister army, which is being lead by Jaime and Bronn, before they can reach Kings Landing.
Seriously who would have thought when season six ended that we would call Dany Tyrion Jon and Davos squad and see them hang out on the beaches of Dragonstone.And people say the show is predictable lol.
It’s not confirmed anywhere.
It came from reddit. I saw it there.
Yeah I imagine he might not be aware of the resurrection.
Geralt of Rivia,
Geralt of Rivia,
The person who posted it on reddit indicated where they originally saw it – the forum I mentioned.
Geralt of Rivia,
Bah, everyone has sources these days. I don’t know what to believe either.
Geralt of Rivia,
There really is no need for an apology (but thank you kindly all the same and I do apologise too for misunderstanding your point 😉 ) I believe we agree more than not.
There is absolutely no doubt that Daenerys does have a claim to the throne and most people in Westeros cannot not acknowledge that. Whether they are enthusiastic about her trying to turn this claim into a reality will probably vary greatly from region to region and even from person to person.
You are very right to point out that Daenerys cannot be reduced to her association with the Targaryens, the Dothrakis, the dragons and the Ironborn (whom the rest of Westeros hate for their enslaving, raping, pillaging ways). There is infinitely more to her and her arrival.
However, unless she plans to have a one-on-one with each Westerosi denizen, those four characteristics are all the population will know of her for a while… And who could blame some or many of them for being quite terrified at the prospect and attempting to defend themselves against what they may easily perceive as a foreign aggression ?
I suppose my thinking is somewhat influenced by my belief that such an angle would be quite interesting for Daenerys as a character.
She has grown accustomed to populations welcoming and embracing her as their liberator. She is used to being “mhysa”, the people’s mother. And so far, she has always had the moral highground over those who opposed her (ie. the slavers aka the scum of Planetos). Even when she would allow her Targaryen extreme ruthlessness to guide her actions, as she did with the crucifixions, she could still somewhat argue that her enemies had done the same thing or even worse beforehand and she was “merely” retaliating.
What if, for the first time, the people who oppose her political and military endeavour are normal, decent individuals ? Regular folks who are understandably terrified of her and her army and simply want to protect themselves against what they think is her unprovoked aggression ?
What if her takeover is not seen by some as a liberation but as an invasion ? What if many Westerosi do not think of her as the bringer of “freedom and justice” but the source of “blood and fire” ?
How will she react then ? Will that affect her perception of herself and of her mission in Westeros ? Will it “cramp her style” as far as military tactics are concerned or not at all ? If not, will it have an impact on her advisors ? In my ever subjective opinion, it has the potential to give us a new look into Daenerys’s mindset and I, for one, would welcome it because it may be my favourite aspect of the character.
In many ways, she is the most morally rigorous person on Planetos. Her heart and mind are always in the right place. Conversely, the ways in which she attemps to solve the problems she identifies are, on a semi-regular basis, at best inartful and at worst disastrous. When she allows herself to contemplate this dichotomy is when she is, to me, at her most interesting.
Indeed, to a few “everyday Westerosi”, the differences between Cersei and Daenerys may seem slim, non-existent even : both female contenders with a claim to the throne (one through bloodline, the other through “war”); both ruthless; both keen on blood and (wild)fire; etc.
I had not noticed but you are absolutely correct in regards to the costumes. Daenerys’s new attire appears directly inspired by the “Post Sept of Baelor” Cersei collection.
Very kind of you to say 😉
I do realise that the two words tend to be used as synonyms by most (including me when I am struggling not to repeat myself ^^) but ruler and leader are two very different jobs with very dissimilar sets of skills.
Robert Baratheon and Robb Stark were both amazing leaders but hugely disappointing rulers. It is hard not to be reminded of that question Renly asked and Ned refused to answer (perhaps because he was unwilling to admit the painfully obvious) : “Do you still believe good soldiers make good kings ?”
Conversely, Varys, Tyrion and Littlefinger were born to rule but would be terrible leaders (neither inspirational nor charming nor charismatic enough).
Daenerys is a remarkable leader, of that there is no shadow of a doubt. It is as a ruler that she struggles quite significantly. And her nephew happens to have the same strength and weakness : tremendous leader, very flawed ruler (from whatever little we have seen so far).
Stupid question from me but it has been bothering me since Varys left King’s Landing and even more so since we saw his “little birds” become Qyburn’s baby-faced, murderous cohorts : do we know for sure that Varys’s spies still really work for him ?
He has not been in Westeros for quite some time and I suppose it would not be beyond reason for many, if not all, of them to have switched allegiance in his absence… Perhaps he forgot to “feed the dogs”.
He may believe they are still loyal to him, especially he keeps on receiving reports from them, but who is to say they are 100% accurate ?
Just something that has been in a corner of my mind for quite some time. ^^
I agree. They make no sense and invalidate so much of what has gone before. I would hate for the show to splutter out in an orgy of empty spectacle and nonsense.
Thanks for confirming everything is true lol.HBO you get a gold star for trying.
Heh, EW’s trying to do some damage control on all the leaks:
They should have just left it alone.This makes it worse haha.
If only they would tell us which of the leaks are definitely, undoubtedly, never ever going to happen as well.
Geralt of Rivia,
There are multiple people claiming to know sources without anything to back them up.
Lol so they put Peter kit Emilia Ian Liam and Joe dempsy on a beach in Spain with full crew for 3 days to through us off spoilers….
Me thinks they doth protest too much lol
Some new photos but they are pretty much more of the same:
LOL is Kit seriously wearing a
Jon&Dragons : )
Lmao emilia and kit are almost the same height.
he is a little bit taller than her.
Lol, Kit’s finally gonna get to ‘act’ with the dragons. It’s probably a different experience from acting with Ghost because there’s a huge size difference.
I was wondering what would be Gendry’s role in the scheme of things. Why would he be brought back so near the end?
Maybe Jon and Dany are trying to form a council that would rule over the 7 kingdoms instead of a single ruler, thus breaking the wheel. No more fighting amongst themselves for the top spot. Face the undead as one – or else they shall all perish. Targaryen, Stark, Baratheon at least, maybe Tyrell, Martell and Lannister too. And Mormont.
I think this picture is of Dany smiling at Jon instead of Emilia/Kit because it looks like they’re filming:
Me thinks that Ser Jorah may be joining the Nights Watch hence fulfilling his father’s dying wish…
Sure it looks like it. Cameras are rolling.
I hope so! We’ve seen Dany have moments where she smiles but they are too few and far between IMO.
Emilia’s smile is really something else; she just illuminates the whole place.
Yes! OMG that picture bring such joy to my heart! I am loving all these new picture with Jon/Dany and the dragon heads lol
Kit hasn’t acted with ghost since season 4.I want to cry but maybe they will have a scene this season
It would be great to have comparative scenes with Jon/Ghost and Jon/a dragon to give the audience a visual of the two sides of his heritage.
I first thought, “That can’t be right”, but now I realize, holy shit, you’re right. WOW. Ghost is the direwolf with the most screen time and to not have him act with Kit in over 2 years if bullshit. If he directly interacts with someone else in WF in S7 and not with Jon, I will flip a table.
If you don’t count season 1, I think Ghost actually has more screentime with Sam than any other character. Which is just, so wrong imo.
I don’t know how season 6 changed this, or if it even counts since Jon and Ghost didn’t actually interact at all other than Ghost nuzzling Jon a bit.
I haven’t read the leaks and apologies if this was mentioned in the previous 400+ comments:
Does anyone think they might be going to retrieve Dawn?
If that’s the case she’s a rebel. She doesn’t have the crown yet… everything right now, is like giving anything up for Stannis… he said he was King… but he was never King. He never defeated. She’ll get. But not yet.
Jon will still be a bastard, so he’ll never earn the true Targaryen name unless Dany grants that to him. It also seems he’ll be more Stark than Targ, as he also behaves like one (with the whole honor thing and everything). Daenarys is a full Targaryen, so technicly she’s the true heir.
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