New season 6 cast member Tamer Hassan talks to UK’s Loaded magazine this week about his role on Game of Thrones, giving us a glimpse of his character’s fate and more. The actor’s casting on the show was revealed only a week ago and little is known about his specific part on Game of Thrones.
The British actor explains to Loaded that he plays a Dothraki warrior, “a leader,” according to Hassan. “What I do affects the main characters. Really. It’s massive.”
Hassan filmed in Northern Ireland, and it was his “most challenging role to date.” The shoot was cold and not particularly glamorous and he remarks on the show’s unusual process of withholding complete scripts.
“You get your page of lines and that is all you see. You have no idea of the script and no idea what’s going on and that is what is really magical about it.”
Plot spoiler below the cut!
Though he’s signing on for season 6, this wasn’t the first time Hassan has met with GoT‘s casting people. In fact, he’s had his eye on the show for years.
He tells Loaded, “I actually was a little bit angry because I’ve met for Game Of Thrones for every season but it never worked out. […] When you look at the show, how do I not fit in? It’s just one of those ones that I could never seem to get, until now. It’s not a regular role or a major role but the impact of what I do is epic.”
Asked whether or not his character may return, Hassan admits, “Well, a lot of people around me die. I didn’t die.”
So, no fiery fate for Hassan’s character, it would seem!
For the complete in-depth interview with the actor, visit Loaded.
Hodor! Twice this month! 2016 will be my lucky year
I think he is saying too much, but i have high hopes for Dany´s storyline.
Khal Drogo reincarnated?
He sounds rather full of himself.
I don’t really like what some of the possibilities could be of “the impact of what I do is epic” and “what I do affects the main characters. Really. It’s massive.” Sure, there are some good things he could do that he may call epic, but…
Some of the khals must survive the inevitable carnage, right? If she is to be the khaleesi of khals, she needs some khals alive. So I guess Hassan will be one of the lucky ones 😉
So will Dany leave for Westeros by the end of the season? It seems D & D may have her spending a lot of time with the Dothraki.
Just read the whole interview…..what a tool!
lol he has talked a little too much. If he says a lot of people died, he’ll probably be part of that massive scene with the big dothraki tent. If what he does is big, he either pisses dany/drogon off or agrees with her and makes the other khals bend the knee to dany.
He’s Marwyn
Strike that, it says dothraki of course…
I kind of am getting a douchebag vibe from this guy.
I care not about this guy. I want a trailer!
Guys calm down he’s just very excited to be in the show, that’s all.
Maybe he is a very nice person but he kind of gives off a smarmy aura-
Why does he spoil if he dies or not?
Eyehavenofilter,
“I was told by VIP Mercedes that Jeremy Clarkson was after one, but he has to wait 18 months for his. I paid for mine so that’s why I got it first.”
And he has google alerts for himself!
What a tool indeed
… epic …
*sigh*
This morning I had an epic breakfast… Really, the coffee was just sooooo epic! 😀
HBO just released a trailer for Girls and EW posted an exclusive photo shoot. Hopefully Thrones is soon.
Boy, for a spoiler, I am underwhelmed.
Correction: HUGH SPOILERS BELOW THE CUT….ffs
And then, boooom, he kills Dany !
Not that I’m wishing that at all (whatever you may think of her, that would be damn anticlimatic) but that would be an “epic impact”. ^^
I watched the last two episodes of season two and I thought that the scene between Sandor Clegane and Bronn just before Blackwater battle had a strange dynamic that could foreshadow a proper fight between the two. So if the Hound is back again in the coming season and Bronn follows Jaimie to the RLs then that could be a good scenario for a fierce meeting between the two. And watching further the three first episodes of season 3 (which I deem to be the best so far) the scene between Catelyn and Talisha and Cat’s story about the sick baby Jon is a strong foreshadow for a meeting between the two in their twisted form. I know but I couldn’t resist not saying it again…
Wayne Gleeson,
“Plot spoiler below the cut!” in bold wasn’t clear enough for you?
I don’t like this guy – many of the OPs have already explained why…
But I think he will be good to play a Dothraki.
He sounds like a wannabe Trump. I already dislike his character.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Word. Maybe don’t be in a rush to click through if you don’t want to know anything about the coming season.
There are many who complain about Dany’s storyline but watching the last episodes of season 2 and the first 3 of season 3 I liked the transition between the teenage Dany of S2 to the more authoritative and political yet not really matured Dany of S3. I liked the flow in her. And what a performance from Hildebrand as Krazny! Actually the combination of performances such as Hildebrands, Hinds, Russels and Cosmos in just one episode is a mere pleasure that makes GOT so special…
Eyehavenofilter,
Haha! I was just about to write exactly the same thing. Guy sounds like a total tool!!
Clob,
When the fire that Dany survives, pics were here, starts maybe he is the one who does it?
Oh well. I guess I’m gonna be pessimistic and assume we’ll may get a mid-to-late February trailer —just to be ready for the worst. Well, at least James Hibberd said on Twitter that there would be more EW exclusives on season six this month.
Yeah we’re probably not getting the trailer until February.
It is kind of a spoiler to tell if he dies or not, surprised he was allowed to do that. But if he is not coming back there is probably nothing that will happen to him since this was a such a small spoiler. But does not really sound likable guy.
Wrong. The spoilers weren’t of the typical nature that are usually posted on here and flagged as ““Plot spoiler below the cut!” They were pretty substantial death/non-death spoilers that are usually flagged as ““HUGE spoiler below the cut” Could have benefited from a stronger warning to be fair..
Jack Bauer 24,
You’re probably right. Most likely the day Vynil premieres. When we do get it, it’s likely only going to be quick edits from the first few episodes, and it will only make the wait for the premiere even tougher with anticipation.
First trailer for Girls was December 2nd, 79 days before their February 21st premeire. 79 days before April 24th is February 5th, so I’m still thinking a trailer around Vinyl’s premeire on the 14th.
MeeraReed,
That was funny!
I only remember seeing him once on TV; I believe in a couple of episodes
of NCIS.
Give me a minor part on GoT & I’ll tell everyone tongue-in-cheek that it’s a colossally important character.
H.Stark,
I’m glad he was just given his lines… If he got the full scripts he would spoil the whole thing!
Maybe his inability to keep secrets was the main reason for not taking him before?
Henry Gordon,
Well,I think he’ll know more so than you. Just saying.
Newbietothegame,
Thanks. 🙂
After reading that article I want everything about him burned from my brain.
I’ll think she’ll be on the edge of Essos nagging Daario about his ships. Where are my ships?!
He has 11 days.
Maybe Ramsay is warm and cuddly.
And you know this how exactly
Yeah…I hope EW’s not taking the piss again, like last time where it said on the website that there’d be more scoops in the magazine and then there was nothing.
Don’t play with our emotions!
Eyehavenofilter,
Hahahahaha. This was my first and most lasting take from this a$$holes story. “I’M like super bad most important guy in world, eh? Is no one who better than me, yeah? I cannot believe they for passing me up on part in other GOT story. Have u seen me in Mercedes that I am buying straight cash brah? U are nothings to me for I am the straight awesome guy ! Hey hey I am meeting B celebrities with regularity! Are you being as great as me as person? For sure no for I am great and sexy boxer guy! Is you for lift bro? To be sure that is not chance! I rek u like so many potatoes mashed with disregard! You are like ice in my hands for you melt as such, bish! In my presence you cannot compare to my extremishness!
Ginevra,
And Ramsay gives off a psycho aura….
We should also be on the lookout for the Veep and Silicon Valley trailers since they all premiere together.
I agree that this guy is pumping himself up probably way more then necessary but why all the vitriolic comments? Geesh…. IJS
He is going to ride the biggest, most luxurious horse.
Already ahead of you on that XD i’m on a 24/7 lookout for the trailer lol
FreeParking,
ahahahahahahahahaha … covered in spikes … that is his horse i mean…. not him ….cuz hes too strong to need any kind of armour
Wayne Gleeson,
So the writers are supposed to create a spoiler threat level system because you couldn’t stop yourself from peeking below after spoilery-labeled jump and got disappointed? Sounds like a personal problem.
It’s really not telling us anything hugely important. Or it might be. Or not! Because we don’t know! Isn’t it fun?!?!
Eyehavenofilter,
I’m really tired of all these dothraki, something tells me that many of them will overact their parts to try to leave a bigger impact lol.
Heed the Baw,
I just hope most of the dothraki don’t have a lot of scenes, they could be the sandsnakes of this season. Until this asshole, I haven’t really thought about it, many of these guys are not well known actors. They seem to have been picked for appearance and abs, please god let this not be another twilight scene in GOT. Hope drogon comes and sets the record straight quickly, i’ve never really liked the dothraki, except for my boi drogo.
IceSpider,
I agree,i guess some people woke up with sand in their vaginas or something,maybe the lack of news made is screwing with their minds,i don’t blame them .
Lord of Bones,
George said the Dothraki come back in TWOW in a massive way, so I expect them to be pretty prominent this season. I’m personally looking forward to the Khalmoot, and for Dany lead these guys as the Khal of Khals.
The only thing that “massive” and “epic” here is this schmuck’s ego. He should be grateful he got a part in one of the biggest TV shows in the world at all, and not like he’s doing the show a favor by being in it.
Am I the only one to notice what an awful pic they have of him with the article. The second pic is much better. Looks like two different guys.
To be perfectly honest, I’m not looking forward to the return of the Dothraki.
Khal Drogo was pretty badass, but apart from that they were somewhere between “meh” and incredibly annoying for me.
When I found out that Daenerys ended up back with the Dothraki, and when it came to pass at the end of Season 5 I was pretty disappointed.
I dunno, maybe I prefer the knights and soldiers and battles and political intrigue of Westeros to a bunch of bare-chested, cliched noble savages talking in their cliched, stilted, pidgin English. I just find it rather lame.
So I’m not really looking forward to Daenerys’ storyline this season.
The fact that they’ve had to resort to casting Tamer Hassan (who has been little more than an extra in a whole host of utter garbage films and TV shows. Football Factory, anyone? Why doesn’t Game Of Thrones just go ahead and hire Danny Dyer?) to fill the Dothraki roles kinda sums up how lame the Dothraki are for me.
MeeraReed,
That’s a shame for you already disliking a character because of an interview, a few words and someone is summed up, he actually is a decent actor he’s one of the boys in most roles, gangster type. He should be decent in game of thrones.
If
Lord of Bones,
I think it’s the best bunch of actors for any TV show. D&D have been excellent at picking actors, so regardless of tamers experience they must see something they like and fits their needs, they have been bang on so far and I have no reason to doubt their judgement now.
In other words, no, “plot spoiler below the cut!” in bold wasn’t clear enough for you…lol.
LMAO. I don’t know what the fuck you just said, but it made me laugh. And now I won’t bother reading the article. Cheers
It was quite possibly one of the best (satirical) things I’ve ever read on here.
That reads like an Iggy Azalea freestyle.. xD
Wayne Gleeson,
Yeah, the timing is right- in lieu of news, a good laugh was warranted. Funny how pretty much everybody has had the same response to this dude’s interview. I am with the others above who have expressed a growing concern for a bunch of arrogant dothraki in the upcoming season. Hopefully we get on with the roast before it becomes a bore.
Laura,
I might throw a few dollars in to “Win a Hodor to Hodor with Hodor in Hodor” just because it makes me laugh when I see it.
https://www.omaze.com/experiences/hodor
“Yeah, I’m a family man.. I make sure my woman and my offspring are happy, than I go and spend all of the rest that I have left on “boys toys”.. Yeah..”
How about putting a bit of money in some college-fund for your kids when they’re older?
This is everything.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Lyanna_Targaryen,
I could be wrong, but I think what they are saying is that a “spoiler threat level system” has already been established (although probably not officially) and the wrong threat level was used here. Some would consider whether a character dies or not as a major spoiler.
Of course, if he ends up killing one of my favourite Sers or some shit, I will hunt his biznizman ass down.
Indeed, hopefully good ole’ natural selection will rear it’s awesome head when it comes to eliminating the Dothraki, i hope they don’t all just get BBQ’d though, perhaps the dragons are saving this Tamer douche for deserts. A few good Drogo style throwdowns wouldn’t go amiss before the roasting though. Of course i’m hoping all of this plays out after they’ve taken care of The Sons of Harpy.
It’d be hilarious if Drogon is picking his teeth with this dudes clavicle before the end of episode 1
Here’s a HUGH SPOILER:
Ser Hugh is killed in the Hand’s Tournament in season one.
I’m really looking foward to the Dothraki this season!
Really glad we got so many Khals, I was expecting to get around 2-3, 1 with Dany another against, but this really got me excited!
I’ve never liked this guy as an actor or in interviews. That said, he can’t be a bad actor because he always seems to convincingly play characters that repulse you. I am guessing he does the same in GOT, playing a loathsome khal in opposition to Dany.
boo hoo i have no self discipline and i read the spoiler and it wasn’t the spoiler i was expecting so now im going to blame the website rather than my own weakness.
dothrakian raven,
I’ve always felt that dialogue was there for a reason other than just to show us the extent of Cat’s feelings (or lack thereof) for her husband’s bastard. I mean otherwise, who cares, except it just to make us feel more sorry for him? Then when I heard about the book character called LSH I thought ah ha there will be some atonement she makes toward him when she comes back to life, even to the point of being a catalyst somehow for him getting resurrected. Now everyone knows the show won’t have her in it so I wonder again what could be meaning behind that little conversation with Talisa.
YgritTe,
LSh is all about revenge and honestly it is doubtful she would care to see him or else.
I also worry about Dany storyline as it have huge potential to be very boring. First season with Dothraki was her best season, but i just can not see anything exciting in her storyline for the season 6 (besides sailing to Westeros at the end of the season hopenfully).
I mean it is totally predictable. She will win over Dothrakis through Drogon, gain Dothraki army and than she will either deal with Mereen with brute force or sail directly to Westeros (if Tyrion will solve Mereen situation in her absence). Any other storyline have more unpredictabilty.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Why don’t you blame GURM,he’s the one who brought the dothraki back in the plot,D&D are just following his lead,weren’t book purists complaining that they make up their “own plots”,well now here’s what you have .
GaiusB,
Once again blame Martin,he’s the one with the genius idea of delaying Dany by introducing Faegon to the story and setting her story back for that reason .
GaiusB,
This has been the problem with dany. The predictablity …readers and viewers are certain about her and think she is safe till she reaches westeros ….
As much as I love dany I can see why she is not a popular character ….
The problem lies with Martin and he should be blamed for this ….I have said many times if there was a character that was suffered most because of his gardening and not using five year gap its dany …he had her develop in just two books and then halted her story line for two books while gardening the other story lines…
I mean its not like people dont know that jon is coming back but still that’s the most talked subject of the year …
Tyrion the Myrion,
I dont blame anyone in my post…..I am just not very excited about Dany´s season 6 storyline. Though actually D+D could be blamed as they are the ones who are deciding which book storyline to include or rewrite and which not. But i will not blame them until i see the result. Sometime well executed predictable storyline can be better then unpredictable mess.
Man people are judgemental in this thread. So he’s cocky and a bit arrogant, who gives a fuck?
Are you actually serious with this?
Yes the actor was so full of himself and same old posts about the disappointment of dothraki inclusion in every thread so far that has been about dothraki casting …yes very bad they are not wildlings or northerner or BWB .
Other than this what we can know from this interview is that there will be
Some khals who will be joining dany
Not all khals will be killed by dany .
When is the trailer coming again
YgritTe,
I always felt that dialogue was there to show us Cat’s feelings, that’s it. She has always hated Jon, but she knows she is wrong to do that and she feels guilty about it. That’s is why she feels that all the bad things that have happened to her subsequently was because of her inability to love a motherless child. That’s her guilt speaking. It was a nice emotional moment for Catelyn which was not there in the books actually. I don’t think there was any other purpose foelr that dialogue.
GaiusB,
And make her do what …they can’t place her in westeros because the place and storylines must be in a said place and certain point when dany comes…and until then she cant go there and not stay in meereen too..
I personally feel that this season will be like what she had in season 3 the best arc next to Jamie and brienne….progressed with a good phase and with more development..
My only fear right now is they dont make drogon appear and burn shit like what they did in daznak ..it will make the scene repetitive
dragonbringer,
I don’t think Drogon will go crazy. On the contrary I think Dany will ”control” him.
And that is why the Dothraki will follow her.
Randa Noyce,
Well it was, Myrcella died.
GaiusB,
I think that, although D&D are rewriting storylines and making some changes, they are keeping the MAJOR story lines the same, which is probably why they did not change Dany’s.
I am super excited to see the Dothraki again! And excited to see this guy play a Khal also. I think he will be the one to side with Dany.
94 days!
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah, you’re probably right.
Mihnea,
[Spoiler]I would be OK with something like that …its just what we heard in the leaking news and speculations that drogon coming in Save dany burning that hut and everything..it will be exactly like daznak and viewers will not like it ..and i would like dany taking control of the situation and show her strength before drogon appears [/spoiler].
I’ve actually never been a fan of Dany as a character. I found her naivete (spelling?) in season 1 annoying and her development into a BAMF unrealistic. Now she just comes across as an entitled, stubborn, unreasonable und arrogant brat, who, after all she’s been through, should know better.
But that doesn’t mean I didn’t enjoy most of her story. I’m a bit iffy on Qarth and, as I said, I find it painful to watch her insist on being an absolutist ruler when she’s clearly not competent, but I thought the Slavers’ Bay story had some good points and scenes, and I did like the whole Dothraki arc. Drogo is, of course, a fan favourite, but I thought their culture also merited a closer look and I’m happy that we are going to get that.
I just hope it brings with it a little bit of growth on Dany’s part. What do you think could bring that about? Certainly not her dragon burning any kind of opposition and the rest following her out of either fear or awe.
As for the guy, good for him that he’s so confident. The way he presents himself, though – not my cup of tea. But then, many very talented actors are a bit naff in the personality department, so maybe he’s actually terrifically talented. With a very few exceptions, the casting on GoT is usually excellent.
dragonbringer,
Or maybe
dee,
Don’t you think that if you stepped into a fire, and didn’t burn, and then dragons were born, you would feel a little entitled? Haha! 😛
On a serious note though, if you are basing your opinion on show Dany only, then I am not so sure why everyone calls her stubborn and unreasonable so much.
Yes she has shown some weakness as a ruler, but she is learning. And over the last few seasons she has seriously taken the advice of Jorah and Selmy, she asks questions, she changes her decisions after talking to them, and even after Selmy died and she burnt a master (out of pure rage and vengeance which could be understandable as she and all of us adored selmy! ) she changed her thoughts and said that he would advise her to act with mercy. There are a few moments where she really takes the advice of those surrounding her.
She seems entitled at times but then is brought back to earth. And her scene in S5E07 with Daario when she said she doesn’t have a choice (to marry Hizdar) made her realize that she is a “slave” to her entitlements (a better word could be used here). She often questions herself on why would the people follow her if she does/doesn’t do a certain action.
I don’t find her as stubborn, unreasonable, and arrogant as others do. I mean every ruler shows some arrogance and entitlement.
I think proving to the Dothraki that she is a worthy Khaleesi will have an impact on her. I feel that Drogon won’t help her do that, she will have to do it on her own.
Wayne Gleeson,
Okay, I just had my day made with that image! Thanks:)
ghost of winterfell,
Agreed. Nicely put together.
ghost of winterfell,
I don’t sew how it works while she is in and drogon on outside ..but iam ok with your scenario also its dany taking the decision and control just like astopor that’s alright I guess…but I think that leaked script may happen earlier to that scene
Deesensfan,
Now I love you ..
my initial response was going to be read the books and how can anyone find her stubborn arrogant and unreasonable…
But you said better than I would have and glad that this was coming from show watcher ..
Completely agree with what you say about dothraki is well…that she must be the one to do it..
Deesensfan,
Very well put!! I couldn’t agree more.
dragonbringer,
haha ! <3 agreed!!!
Thanks to you and Mihnea,
Here, here! Very well said and I agree with you completely!
Deesensfan,
Daenerys is not one of my favourite characters, but I have empathy for her suffering, struggle, trying to embetter herself. I couldn’t agree more with your opinions and the way you expressed them.
Not every girl can be Lagertha 😉 On the other hand, when we met Lagertha she’s a mature woman, an ex-warrior and a happy wife and mother. She knows who she is and what to expect from life.
Dany, on the other hand, starts lonely and unsure of herself and what she’s supposed to do. In time she gains friends, but this happens due to her own qualities.
I agree that it must be her (and her leadership skills/believability), not her dragon, to convince the Dothraki to follow her. I do hope that she finally finds a way to be a diplomat instead of a conqueror or at least prove that there is more to her leadership than shows of physical superiority and naive ideals. Because, in the end, all dictators believe they are doing the right thing. They don’t go around saying “oooh, I’m gonna be so evil” – even Hitler, in his twisted mind, believed himself to be some sort of savior.
That’s part of why I don’t sympathize too much with Dany’s plight. (And just to get it out of the way: I did read the books.)
Maybe it is that I don’t like people who think they are better than others/have a right to power over them simply because they are who they are. You can’t really call me a monarchist, I guess, and especially not one who thinks absolutism is ok.
Compare, for instance, Dany and Jon. Dany thinks it’s her right to be queen of Westeros. Yes, she is concerned with the question of how to behave in order for her people to trust her and how to make her rule benign, but she doesn’t question whether she should be a ruler. She is a conqueror who thinks she’s God’s gift to her people and strives to live up to it by being the best queen she can be with her limited experience, but she still thinks she is the only viable choice. That’s arrogant and entitled.
Now, Jon never thought he would amount to anything much, but he was determined to do his duty and maybe make his dad proud. He had power thrust upon him (even though he could have said no, but he thought it was the only way to get the NW to fight the Walkers). Like Dany, he did what he could with that power, and like Dany he failed to a degree, but he never thought that the NW should just follow him because he is Ned Stark’s son.
Bot leaders struggle and both are learning (in Jon’s case, maybe too late), but while I can excuse Jon’s failures as he didn’t ask for it, I have a harder time with Dany’s failures as she demanded the power without knowing what to do with it. “I’m learning” is a very weak excuse when you kill thousands of people for a ruling position and having more of them die under your watch because you need some time to figure out that you should listen to people who know more than you. And speeches (in the show) like “I’m going to destroy the wheel” are not making me trust more in her leadership and prioritizing abilities.
I think Dany will question her right to rule sooner or later, but I think we will have to wait for it until she’s in Westeros. Maybe the fulfillment of her final goal, the rule she feels entitled to, will make her question whether it’s really in the best interest of the people. Narratively, that would be a very good way to end her arc.
Sorry for the long post. I can’t seem to edit it.
dee,
Let’s be honest. Jon was also spoiled and entitled kid who thinks he is better than everyone until Tyrion and Benjen smacks some senses to him. In the books he had the same attitude, but he learned from it. Brace yourself dragonbringer is coming.
It was really interesting to sit back and see how people on here reacted to this guy, given that I have lots of friends who know him. I’ve genuinely never met a single person with a good word to say about him, and whilst I usually take other people’s opinions with a pinch of salt, I’m inclined to believe them where he’s concerned, especially given the conceited impression he gives off in this interview.
I’m not even sure why he keeps getting acting work – he sure as hell can’t act.
dee,
I don’t think comparing jon and dany is apt especially in the way they think …one is raised as bastard and kept reminded he can’t inherit anything and his only chance to raise higher is at the Wall…even then he acts as an entitled and whiny in AGOT ..he needed jeor and donal noye and tyrion to educate him..
While the other is last remaining survivor of the great house that has been ruling a kingdom for three centuries …she feels it’s her duty to reclaim what was once her ancestors for them…
Other than that I can agree with what you said
As for as i know she never thinks she is the lnly one that is fit fir the job…just compare her with other rulers and queens who have born and brought up in believing that its their right to rule not thinking about duty …while dany considers it as duty you yourself mentioned she tries to do what she can with her power for her people and care for her ..something we don’t see with others….
Geralt of Rivia,
lol I guess I went more softer than you did geralt
I can’t seem to edit or quote ..
Dee:
Remember what varys says to kevan about a perfect ruler must believe kingship is not right but must view it as duty and live and rule for his people and put their people before him /her ..
Now dany even though she is not a perfect ruler ..to her credit especially someone who was brought up by viserys thinks that’s Queen ships means duty to her people not right to rule them and put them first before her ..
I love quoting this dany quotes.
” why do gods make kings amd queens if not to protect those who cant protect themselves”
“A queen should know the sufferings of her people ”
” A queen belongs not to herself but to her people ” ..
For now I believe this is enough since her heart in the right place …if she gets to live till the age of someone Like Lagartha ( like shy lady dragon mentioned) …she will be perfect as you can get. .
dragonbringer,
Just a little bit. haha
I was never a big fan of this union, but this might even work out for them. Sort of like yin yang. Different weaknesses and strengths.
Geralt of Rivia,
But that was only in the very beginning of AGOT though. When he realizes Tyrion/ Donal Noye was right, he goes out of his way to help those very people he thought were not good enough.
Geralt of Rivia,
They have potential to end up like jahaerys and allysane if they survive the series .
Exactly like the yin yang or sun and moon ..they do share inverse parallels among them all very interesting and intriguing ..
Geralt of Rivia,
Oh, he was absolutely an entitled brat. But he stopped before he
started to rule, while Dany is learning on the job. Which is kind of meh when you are responsible for thousands of lives and keep getting them killed. Oops, sorry, still learning …
dragonbringer,
I agree as to the reasons for why Dany is the way she is, and that Jon is different in that, but the fact remains that she never questions her own right to rule or wheter or not she should. Yes, her heart is in the right place (when she’s not losing her mind in temporal insanity/a fit of rage) – I agree with that, too. Still, she is sacrificing a lot of lives for her learning experience and for her entitlement and I simply cannot condone it. Just because I understand why people do something doesn’t mean I think it’s ok. I understand why people murder or steal, but I still think questioning the premises on which you built your entitlement/actions is something that people should do, especially when they have or want to take that much responsibiliy.
But I think we might actually be on the same page, here. It’s just that you sympathize more with her difficulties than I do. I wouldn’t make a good revolutionary. I hardly ever find that the ends justify the means.
dragonbringer,
You basically said what I would have responded to dee,
And yes, Jon is different, and he too did start out thinking that he should become a ranger right away, just because he can fight well and his father taught him how to fight. his is different as he came into power without really wanting it, but wanting to lead is pretty obvious from the beginning I think. and like other leaders, he is still evolving and learning as can be seen in season 5 where he asks Aemon for advice.
But Dany’s story is slightly different with some parallels. anyway, I think its more duty than entitlement. But they also go hand in hand. Just like stannis.
Elizabeth,
🙂
Shy Lady Dragon,
very good point!
and isn’t lagertha just AWESOME! 🙂 I am glad you are enjoying her!!!!
Deesensfan,
There are a lot of overreaching themes in those books, which is partly why I love them so much. You can alwas find parallels, variations on themes but with twists that are fun to think about. Nothing is really black and white and the question whose interpretation of a situation/dilemma/.. is right or wrong is never easily answered. Ultimately every character is flawed. It’s wonderful.
ghost of winterfell,
Still he acted that way or not …he did feel entitled and arrogant towards them even after his upbringing he thought he was above them
And dany doesn’t need anyone to tell her even after five books to go out of their way to help someone ..
She lead the peple of sick and old through a desert …she knew that they all look for her to be strong and hence she a little girl with lots of fear his her fear and lead them …stayed with the dead people…ordered to stop the rape of those lazharan girls …she could have bought 3000 or 4000 unsullied with what she had and went on her way to pentos …but took a great gamble with her life for those remaining unsullieds..just imagine her gamble had failed in Astopor …she still could have left For westeros but went to yunkai…and then to meereen all on her own.not because someone taught her ..jorah advised to buy unsullied and leave and barristan advised to not to buy and go as beggar to westeros..she acknowledges her mistakes and stays to correct those in meereen..goes into the camp of those who are suffering with plague and help them with her own hands …
All this because she feels she as a duty to the people as a queen
dragonbringer,
Asoiaf is based on war of kings to certain degree. Henry Tudor=Daeny and Elizabeth of York=Jon might be even better parallel. Henry was exiled, returned and conquered England. Then married someone with a better claim, which in asoiaf world Jon might just be. If the whole rlj theory is true and it should be. Elizabeth like Jon was a bastard. Jon and Henry share similarities, but Daeny fits the better.
King James I and his wife Anne of Denmark or Henry II at that time and Eleanor of Aquitaine?
dee,
Yup! exactly. 🙂 I love it.
Oh calm down. The guy’s just an ex boxer from a working class immigrant family (Turkish?) who came to lots of money and likes to show off. Typical nouveau-riche, but why the fuss? Which one of us would be more sophisticated and class in his shoes? Give the guy a break.
Deesensfan,
I enjoy Vikings indeed and Lagertha is my favourite. I return the favour, recommending you to read ASOIAF after the series is finished (I understand you avoid spoilers). I am sure you will find plenty of new things and there will also be differences, so knowing where the story goes won’t spoil your pleasure.
dee,
Now I believe the effects of jon snow mistake will be coming now onlh after his stabbing …i dont know whats going to happen with wildlings and NW..
But i agree that will be nowhere near how much blood is spilled in slavers bay considering their region ..
The thing is she already started the dominos to fall when she took astopor and yunkai …
Now she didn’t think it through the full effects and consequences that will lead to …
Once she took meereen she knew if she left now her work will be undone and they will retreat to their old ways but sadly for her she was trapped in meereen she can’t go anywhere or do any other trades since all the routes are blocked …
As for the lives and bloodshed its going to be on massive level …but thats expected from this series and land that GrRm is concentrating …there was this wonderful thread in westeros.org about how many lives it takes to make unsullied and the numbers are astonishing ..but from now there won’t be any ..there can be a chance at new life …
Sometimes it becomes necessary ..she gave the peace and tried to compromise everything but the masters only took it for granted …and planned to butcher her when volantis arrived …so if she gets back to meereen and kill the ghiscari and masters I will be OK with it .
I think you are right about the way we sympathize ..I respect your opinion though ..
dragonbringer,
I agree that she sees it as her duty as well as her right to make decisions about people’s lives. What I’m saying is that I don’t think she’s right to act the way she does based on that, even if its with good intentions, and that she should question her positon before making decisions for everyone. Moral highground or no, she destabilized an entire area with no plan for how to make up for destroying their economy because she felt it was her duty and her right.
I don’t believe in that sort of politics in the real world either, as I think there are better ways to solve problems than wars that threaten not only the lives of the powerful, but also those of the disenfranchised.
Shy Lady Dragon,
I am glad
oh yes, I definitely will be reading the books when the show is over. or atleast once the WOW comes out I will start reading 🙂
Geralt of Rivia,
Funny you mentioned it i used to think dany has some parallel with Elizabeth …maybe both jon and dany have bit of both from henry and Elizabeth
Deesensfan,
Yes exactly ..
I can neither edit (Editor won’t load the message) nor does the request for deletion work as my comment is still visible (even though the editor said it wouldn’t be). What’s up with the site, mods?
Same.
I think the dominoes analogy is right – once she started it was going to have a much wider effect which she did’t consider in her decision. Was it a spur of the moment thing in Astapor? I can’t remember right now.
As for what you said about Jon’s mistakes coming to fruition later on – that’s interesting. What do you think will happen?
Shy Lady Dragon,
I like lagartha too ..i can only hope dany can get as old and wise as lagartha
Deesensfan,
I would advice to read the books as well since it will have lots of details and differences from the show…
But I would ask you to wait till the show is over …so that it doesn’t cloud your show opinions…only thing iam against for reading the books is the amount of time we have to wait for the next one..
One serious lesson i learned through Asoiaf is to never start an unfinished series again
The only weak sapling here is you not straight up replying to someone who your message was intended for, now run on back to your mommas nest and suckle on her teet. I was merely pointing out an inconsistency in the severity of the websites spoiler flags, but i guess that’s reason enough for any smarmy asshole to try and stand me down and make personal assumptions about me in this day and age. Sigh*
dee,
I get what you are saying and if this is any other series I would have agreed as well…but this series is more about wars…I don’t think there was any other way to end the Astopor other than aWar ..
She wanted to act once she learned about the process of making an unsullied .. she thought through the attack and sack but didn’t think through the effect it will be having across the other cities….and didn’t think it through about what to do with them once she freed them as well…
She acted more as khaleesi than a queen
That’s a mistake she herself acknowledges and wants to correct those hence she decided to stay in meereen..
Well now it won’t be anything but after reading the ADWd …how much chaos is going to happen at the wall…jon is stabbed …Mel and selyse and queen men are there …NW is in mutiny and Wildlings just watched jon get stabbed ..WUn Wun having a fit ….I can’t see how everyone can come out of this unhurt … At first I believed the Nw will be done now iam not sure ….
Its going to be same as meereen when dany flied away
dragonbringer,
thank you for the advice. I will def wait till the show is over 🙂
yeah, I do hope at least book 6 comes out.
Tyrion the Myrion,
I’m not blaming anybody. I’m just expressing my disappointment and my opinion on the upcoming storyline.
And I’m no “book purist”. If you’ve got beef with people, take it to somebody else’s door because I’ve never read the books, which is why I was disappointed to find out she ended up back with the Dothraki.
dee,
I may be wrong, but Jon Snow was arrogant and entitled to begin with as well, and required some harsh lessons (from his Uncle Benjen – who reminded him that just because he’s his nephew doesn’t mean he gets to be a ranger). As well from Tyrion and one of the NW (both reminding him that he grew up more privileged than the other men of the nights watch). Prior to meeting Jorah, Dany only had her brother and IIlrio (spelling) guiding and educating her; her whole life she’s been told that Westoros is waiting with baited breath for her return. Barristen is her sworn sword, and despite his attempts at educating her, he’s just kissing her ass too. It’s only now that with Tyrion’s guidance and knowledge (and the fact that he’s not just going to kiss her ass) where she will start to learn some harsh lessons too…that it’s not just her birthright, she also has to earn it.
Ember,
Yes, Jon was entitled and had to learn not to be, as I agreed before. And I, too, said that I get why Dany is the way she is. I just don’t like it. Let’s hope you are right and that Tyrion will be a good influence on her the way Barristan tried to be but couldn’t because he was so caught up in the whole kingsguard thing. I believe you may be right and Tyrion will bring about the change that is needed.
dee,
Sorry Dee, I guess I should have read all the comments before making my own! I’m really excited about these two meeting and think that with his knowledge and experience, she will really learn a lot….just sucks that she’s been swept off with the Dothraki. I hope season 6 pulls them together sooner rather than later.
Cheers
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
There was a link on here a while ago to an article about people who either turned down GoT roles or auditioned but weren’t picked and Danny Dyer was apparently one of the latter, more than one attempt I seem to remember. I’ve been laughing about the idea of him in it ever since, especially in the really well spoken roles like Tywin. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, bless him, but his acting range – from what I’ve seen of it – is really quite limited. “The eyeon frone, you’re having a fackin larf aincha, you facking slaaaag?” 😉
I’ve said it before, so I’ll say it briefly this time: I think all this Dothraki casting looks bigger than it is. There’ll be a big The-King-of-the-North!/Jon-treating-with-the-wildling-elders-esque scene where a bunch of people have a line or two, and then we’ll never hear from most of them again. It just seems like it could be a bit much because we’re paying so much attention to every last casting and know that all the extras of a certain look are going to be in the same part of the story.
And Hassan’s claim that what he does is all massively epic makes me think he just has the Greatjon/Karsi role. Like, sure…but then we never saw them in another episode.
I’m more concerned that he tried and failed to get on the show every other season. TV shows don’t need a Rudy. Unless they just wanted him to stop and gave him a “really important scene!” that will mostly be cut. I, for one, would chortle.
Your opinions regarding the Dothraki are fine by me, but the poor terminology…
Pidgins are simplified combinations of two or more languages, and never a speaker’s first language. Usually they’re just too simplified to be broadly useful, but some can get built up over time. But when a language develops enough that a generation grows up speaking a pidgin as their first language, it stops being a pidgin and becomes a creole. Even the stilted English some Dothraki don’t speak in pidgin, as they aren’t speaking a hybrid. Fictional Dothraki is almost certainly a creole at this point.
And if you’re saying DJP was too derivative of English while creating Dothraki…well…them’s fightin’ words to a conlanger.
[I’ll cede right here and now that probably no one cares. So, yeah, carry on.]
Kilgore Tully,
Speaking Pigeon is even better.
I had no idea this board was full of ingenious intellectuals
Wayne Gleeson,
clearly, you haven’t been paying attention.
But seriously, I think there are a lot of academics around here; most likely, some of them are linguists.
Lulus Mum,
He could only have got away with playing one of the really weaselly characters like Polliver or Rast.
But the thought of him playing Tywin, or perhaps Varys, has got me chuckling too.
He’d have to call somebody a “muppet” at some point too, completely out of context in the medieval fantasy setting.
dragonbringer,
Which parallels Elizabeth and Daeny share? Jon strikes me more as Elizabeth and Dany as Henry.
Kilgore Tully,
Yeah, I know pidgin’s not quite the right word. I was just trying to find a way of describing the English spoken with a generic “foreign” syntax and accent. I figured pidgin was a close enough description.
Geralt of Rivia,
Sure on the outlook what you say is true …but she does have similarities with dany like .,
They both are sole survivors of their family …they were raised motherless.,had abusive siblings .,intelligent and determined., both dont have a child but still have mother role to play for the people…both are beautiful and short and small in stature..both experienced difficulties and exile while they were young ..both had to overcome their own gender and fight for their birthright ,they do so by inspiring a great deal of devotion from the people
Mihnea,
Yes! So much Dothraki hate. Love Danerys’s story line.
Well in this part of the country we have something called Spanglish, a combination of English and Spanish. Sometimes its done as a joke, but many times speakers of both languages combine syntax and vocabulary to communicate easier. Not sure of the linguistic word for that.
And Wayne, one of the reasons I love reading posts here is the array of intelligent folk from all sorts of fields and all walks of life. Makes for very interesting reading.
ash,
Sorry, tried to edit and it wouldn’t load. My comment above was a reply to Ramsay. and the more I think about it, perhaps its more ‘code switching’ than pidgin.
Sand in their vaginas????? Sexist MUCH? How do you know offending commentators were even female?
That was how I took your comment.
dragonbringer,
I knew the basic, but when you put it like that, yeah she sure have many similarities. Not skilled with their history. Maybe Daeny is a mixture of Henry and Elizabeth. Then, don’t where Jon lands in all of this. George is inspired even with lotr, but Jon and Daeny would be beetr fit as Aragorn and Eowyn than with Arwen. Either way, since show and books are more and more different, we’ll see where they end up. Curious when and where they’ll meet.
Geralt of Rivia,
I agree ..that’s why I said both jon and dany have bit of both henry and elizabeth in them..
Even though I have not read GRRM other works …its been said that Daenerys is a character that he likes to write and we can find the similarities between his other female characters and her..
And his inspiration for Asoiaf is said Osten Ard series …where Simon is actually jon snow ..he is the hero who is secretly descendant of the previous dragonslayer kingking,who ends up on the throne in the end default by his ancestral claim and because of his deeds in the war .
And the love interest and future wife and Queen is princess miriamele daughter of the evil king whom she eventually slays …she is very happy to sit aside and let the hero rule and be consort to him…now in dany’s case she can take jon as consort and take the position as alyssane did with jahaerys …If they survived that is .
dragonbringer,
War of roses is said to be main inspiration York and Lancester, besides other events in the history.Red wedding is inspired by actual real event but don’t know the name.Never heard of george saying that about osten ard series.Not fan of this union by any means and i do respect your opinion, it seems too cheesy for my taste.You can see it miles away and many fellow fans ice&fire means this story about their them and how they’re destined together.Two heroes coming together to save a dying dynasty. and world.I do acknowledge the possibility of it, but if rlj is true his claim is better than Daeny or not?
EdiT: I can’t seem to edit my comment. Dammit.
the Black Dinner´from 1440 and Massacre of Glencoe.
Geralt of Rivia,
Hmm yeah he gets his inspiration from many things ..
Iam not shipping them …I believe dany may die and jon end up in the throne ..but I can see ajd accept the possiblity of their union and survival…
I think if that is ehat GRRm intends to do he can make it happen without being cheesy ..
That depends on whether he is bastard or not …if he is bastard dany comes above him and either way I think it doesn’t matter …the only way people can be stopped at doubting his parentage will be if dany accepts him and take as her consort .
dragonbringer,
The idea sounds that way.George or show would have to do a lot of work to convince fans of it but impossible.Loveless might be opportunity but it goes against hotu.Dany will feel something positive.King consort is just a symbolic title.He shares same social rank and status, but when it comes to military powers or politics no.If Jon will be king of the north,winter he could amount significant military and politic power.This concept of queen or king consort might not work if it ever comes to them.
Regarding historical inspirations, this is pretty damn great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjO55pKuBo4
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Gotcha. And it’s a fair enough point. You weren’t off in the sense that a pidgin is a simplified version of language that lets two people who don’t speak each other’s languages communicate, so a speaker stiltedly using a foreign language is sorta speaking pidgin-ish-ly, but pidgin really refers to that intermediate third language.
Now, there’s some fun with Mag Nuk, the giant language, which is technically not a pidgin, but for all intents and purposes should be considered one. It’s not a pidgin because it only derives from one language and has been passed down over generations. Except that it developed because giants couldn’t handle the full complexity of the Old Tongue and removed all prefixes, suffixes, and made all words monosyllabic. So we’ve got a standardized and consistent, but incomplete and limited, language mostly used to bridge a communication gap. This can’t happen in real life; when a pidgin evolves into a creole because a new generation uses it as a primary language, what’s really going on is that the kids who have no other way to communicate are completing the incomplete. It’s just a neurological part of the human brain to use a full grammar and syntax. Mag Nuk is like if Koko taught her version of sign language to all the other gorillas.
Which is all to say that I can think of an example that blows up my previous definitions of a pidgin, and it happens to be in the show we’re talking about.
ash,
Yes! Spanglish is weirdly stuck between being a pidgin and a creole; it’s not really a pidgin anymore because it’s complete enough to be used as a primary language, but it’s not really a creole because it’s never been consistent enough to standardize into a full language. Spanglish is very, very close to code-switching in practice, but proper code-switching is when fluently multilingual speakers can switch language mid-sentence and still be understood by each other. Depending on how much a local variant leans toward one or the other, there’s no guarantee that a Spanglish speaker is functionally bilingual in both English and Spanish.
Anyways. Point is. No one’s really wrong here, linguistic definitions are diaphanous things, and y’all are great.
Geralt of Rivia,
Well that gives him power right .dany will definitely give him the power and rule just like she did with hizdar …but why i say queen consort than king because dany is the one who will be bringing more to table than jon .by the time they meet jon may have became leader and north on his back …but dany will have more and dragons and her lineage can’t be questioned ..so you see where iam coming from .
dragonbringer,
Hizdar was just a puppet.I am not sure if Daeny bring more to the table.I imagine Jon will practically lead on the battlefield North, Riverlands and Vale by the point they meet.This is huge in fact bigger part of Westeros we’re talking about.To me if they ever end up together on it as equals to balance each other.Queen and her consort is nt really equals.If his parentage is proven even more so.Not sure if jon will ever be interest in It.
Mister Stoneheart,
yes, total dick. shame he didn’t die.
YgritTe,
I always felt they just put that scene in there to create an in-episode link and most importantly to make us feel even more sympathetic towards Cat before she gets offed
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Now I’m imagining the main characters behaving in a DD-as-drunk-football-hooligan style (rather than D&D). Jon on top of the Wall as the wildlings attack yelling “come an’ get it you faaaacking muppets” and raining pint glasses down on them, Valyrian steel flick knife in hand 😀
Kilgore Tully,
Could it not be assumed that Mag Nuk would be a combination of whatever language the giants used before the First Men and the Old Tongue? Then would it fit the definition of a Pidgin? I couldn’t find any information of what language the giants spoke prior to Mag Nuk, but it would be safe to assume that they had some form of very basic communication/language that they used between themselves, that probably would have been used in combination of the Old Tongue to great Mag Nuk? Just curious….
Leticia83,
That’s supposed to be “create” not “great”. I couldn’t edit for some reason.
I would watch this. In IMAX.
Geralt of Rivia,
Yes he is puppet but she still gave him access and power …jon will be more powerfull and an equal to dany …when I say damy brings more to the table .I speak about them as targaryens …she has dragons her legitimacy cant be questioned …and even when we add north vale riverlands she brings more kingdom and people …she would be having an impact in both essos and westeros…
Leticia83,
That would be a very safe assumption in humans; language is so hard-wired that for a lack of one we’ll just make it up. The same principle behind kids filling in the gaps in the pidgin-to-creole process is responsible for stuff like twinspeak.
But with creatures that don’t have the mental capacity for a fully formed [human] language, it would be hard to imagine that any form of communication they had before would be complex enough to be defined as “language”. Animal communication becomes a very relevant study. There’s plenty of debate over what constitutes language, and it sits in that horrible overlap between science and philosophy. Open it up enough and the light, vibration, and smells we experience can be seen as the language of reality, constantly telling us where things are and what of it we can eat, fuck, or break. Hell, if we assume physical particles are just wee clumps of energy, then matter is the grammar of energy, and our existence is itself some cosmic pidgin. (This…may or may not be the foundation of something I coined as “linguistic agnosticism”…)
All that said, in defining created languages we get to cheat a bit: http://www.dothraki.com/2015/06/new-bit-of-a-language/
Irishton,
Maybe he’s lying and his character is meaningless. But I don’t like that he’s blabbing his mouth, that he thinks his $300,000 car is something to be impressed by, his ego, or his attitude.
His acting better be on par with Streep to warrant that article- and even then he should be humble. I don’t care about him or his brand of watch. It doesn’t appear that he would relate to the majority of the cast – major or one time characters as they seem very down to earth. The collective acting of the group cannot hid this trait.
As such, I already dislike his character. He may prove me wrong- hopefully he does. Until that time my opinion is my own.
Lulus Mum,
Very funny! What film are you hinting at?
Kilgore Tully,
Thank you, ser! It’s been a long time since I read about The War of the Roses, so this video with parallels to ASOIAF is very useful.
That’s a beautiful concept! I love it!
Rickon and Sansa still are between Jon and being proclaimed King in the North: as is the stigma of bastardy. That written, I suspect that the Monarch of Westeros issue is going to get back-burnered by the upcoming Ragnarok. M,B&W have set it up so that either figuratively or literally, Jon and Daeny are going to work in tandem. The two characters have evolved in parallel throughout the series, and it looks as if their Winter stories are just going to continue the parallel. M,B&W are putting both in place to be a certain type of person at particular places and particular times. The “certain type” is going to be the same: the question is, will the places and/or times be the same?
But the Iron Throne probably will be an after-thought by then.
Hey! Science analogies are MY turf! 😎
Seriously, that’s a fascinating analogy. I suppose you could use it for tales, too: matter is the plot, energy is the narrative, and the universe is the resulting story.
Shy Lady Dragon,
The film Ramsay’s 20th Good Man is talking about is this one about gangs of rival football hooligans: watch the clip from about 4.30 in. I’ve never seen it – fighting of any kind really doesn’t do anything for me, I get bored when GoT have them, never mind things I’m less invested in.
Danny Dyer is the guy who stops to listen to the woman with the pushchair (and is doing the voice over). I’m just imagining an amalgamation of the people in that clip into one person, with that kind of language/accents/general let’s have a massive punch up attitude 😀
MeeraReed,
I agree and respect your opinion as I only stated it was a shame going into the show negative about a character and usually that won’t change. I do think it was only a short interview or it could of been longer and they edited it to make him stand out this cocky. I maybe wrong I just can’t judge someone so early on so little information. I do hope he is a fantastic character like everyone else new and i have full faith in D&D on cast selection, they have been spot on thus far.
Irishton,
And I agree with you regarding going into something with a negative mindset. Unfortunately for me, my biggest personality trait is humanity. I hold grudges even on trivial matters such as an actor compensating or showing off to a reporter, or will always hold someone in very high regard if I saw that person give their last dollar to a child selling lemonade.
As such, I believe EVERY person on this site would have approached the interview from a different angle. Those angles include but are not limited to: happiness, excitement, and awe to be included in the show.
With all of that, I’ve come up with a theory…
He’s making it all up. His character actually does die and shares one scene with Dany. He whispers something which makes her realize it’s time to hit the road as it were. She then yells the command, Drogon does his thing, and this guy is no more. She hopes on Drogon and hightails it out of there as her path is now clear to her.
Meanwhile in real life, Tamar is compensating for something, so he makes up a bunch of lies about how important his character is (he forgot to mention that without his character, there would be no series at all and no other actor could do the role in the way he can.) He seems to know a thing or two about contracts, and what one can and cannot say when it comes to a non-disclosement clause. After further review, he seems to be giving quite a bit away which makes me think he just made it all up to get his name out there.
And if you’re from Ireland, let me say Ireland is by far the BEST place on the face of the earth, with the BEST people. When I die, I want to go to Ireland forever.
Eyehavenofilter,
I’m glad I am not alone ,
Arkash,
because that’s what I thought when I read it.
I was guessing trying to kill or steal a dragon.
dee,
I think if she gets to sit on her throne, she will find just how lonely and miserable a place it can be. King Robert said something like that to Ned.
Hmmm….
Wolf-waif,
She already feels like that right after taking meereen and banishing jorah in the books
It looks like my theory was right. He died. One scene. So glad he burned. Especially glad he burned after his character said he liked Dany. Hopefully he doesn’t get recast as a different character. But I’m sure his preseason comments guarantee he won’t. And actually just might hurt him land future jobs. What a tool.