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It looks like there will be a bit of a delay with Game of Thrones filming this fall- but not too much of one, so fans shouldn’t sweat it. HBO will be filming season 7 in the regions of Cordoba and Seville, Spain, as previously announced, but the shooting will take place in late November of this year. Filming was initially planned for November 1st through the 12th, but has been pushed back.
In Seville, according to ABCdeSevilla, the show is expected to shoot in the medieval Royal Shipyards and also in the Roman ruins of Italica in Santiponce, in the amphitheater. In Cordoba, Game of Thrones will be filming in the Castillo de Almodovar del Rio, a 1300-year-old Muslim castle.
It looks like there may not be any filming inside the Alcázar of Seville after all this year, the beautiful palace that has stood in as Dorne’s Water Gardens for the last two seasons. However that could change, according to ABCdeSevilla, with new decisions possibly made in the near future.
With filming now happening in late November in this area, that causes an overlap with the scheduled filming in the Cáceres region. So it looks like we might see two units in action simultaneously in Spain, making for a hectic shooting time.
In other Spain filming news, today Los Siete Reinos has new information about plans for season 7, so beware of spoilers ahead!
For the past month, we’ve heard rumblings from Spain about a battle in the works for shooting in Malpartida, Spain. Now we have even more details, courtesy of L7R.
Previously, we’d heard that there was a scene involving wagons in the works for filming on the private property of Las Breñas. Now it seems that “battle” may not be the right word for it what is going down there. L7R has learned that what is being planned there could more accurately be called an “ambush.”
They describe a scene involving wagons with goods traveling from a castle (inserted with CGI), attacked by enemy soldiers. While that doesn’t sound overwhelming, Game of Thrones has scheduled 500 extras for filming in Malpartida, a very large number for the show. For comparison, GoT used that many extras for the entire shooting of the Battle of the Bastards.
There’s another chunk of info concerning the Malpartida shooting: the new report says that we can expect to see at least one Lannister in the fray. Previous information learned from the extras casting process tells us that we can expect the involvement of Unsullied soldiers and Dothraki warriors, and so the presence of Tyrion is almost a given at this point. L7R has heard, though this is not confirmed, that the conflict there will involve Tyrion and one of his siblings.
Los Siete Reinos has also heard details about a scene that sounds exciting. The scene planned for shooting in nearby Los Barruecos, around the watery territory there, will involve a major character falling into the water.
There is no guarantee that the fall is part of the fighting, but it does seem possible, considering the terrain there is similar to the area nearby where the action will be shot. Production has been testing locally how they can accomplish it. As for what that scene is- well, there are many possibilities but the most intriguing is the idea that someone may be falling off a dragon while riding it in battle.
That’s quite a lot of new information to dissect! Who is attacking and who is being attacked in this scenario?
Hodor!
King in the North!!!
Woot Jaime and Tyrion!!!
Worried about Dany but I don’t think this will be a Rhaneys repetition. Just hope the dragon doesn’t die!!
I can’t wait!!!!!! It should be good ?
My guess is that the person falling is not Dany, but someone who may have bitten off more than they can chew…
I bet it’s Tyrion being thrown from the Dragon. It is just his luck to be knocked out for the fight…again!
Hodor
Oh, ambush doesn’t sound as exciting as battle but still sounds like it will be very dramatic. It’s so hard to tell if it’s Tyrion and his soldiers attacking the Lannister forces or if it’s the other way around. Would the show really depict Tyrion ambushing wagons laden with goods? And if there is another Lannister involved, my guess is it’s Jaime because I don’t see Cersei leaving King’s Landing. The prospect of Tyrion and Jaime meeting again as enemies is kinda sad.
Ooh, how I’ve missed watching Tyrion interact with other Lannisters.
“someone may be falling off a dragon while riding it in battle.” OMG. I can see that happening. Finally a battle involving Dany that’s not a slaughter. I think she’s safe until S8, but I’m sure as hell concerned about the dragons 🙁 Though Drogon should make it to S8… not sure about R&V though…
That castle mentioned sits up on a hillside, above the town and with a little CGI could be turned into Casterly Rock?
https://www.google.com/search?q=Almodovar+del+Rio&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjTyZyPtLXPAhUD8WMKHetCB5EQ_AUICSgC&biw=760&bih=747
Tyrion on the show still claims that he loves Jaime, would he attack him?
Maybe Cersei is going to hide on Casterly Rock, there was a mention of people being carried.
Or Jaime leaves KL and heads to Casterly Rock? Anyway the twins are seperated so far that’s good. If it is Jaime i hope he survives. Tyrion owns his life to him as he said.
My heart was beating so fast, as I was hoping for some major Northern leaks, but beggars can’t be choosers and this sounds pretty interesting.
Let’s hope the “person falling from the dragon” scoop doesn’t end up like the two named characters on Bolton crosses from last season. 😛 Initially, I thought Dany would fall from Drogon, but we know she’s not dying lol. Maybe it’s Euron (he kidnaps a dragon or something)….
Also, is this location serving as Casterly Rock or King’s Landing?
Also, I’d like to see Tyrion vs. Jaime since it would be more angst filled.
Where’s gonna be the big battle Emilia mentioned though? North again? Like 4 in a row? I hope we still have Dany x Cersei.
Tyrion and Jaime meeting in battle – as I had long hoped for.
Someone falling off a dragon? Daenerys and Drogon is injured and kept in the pit during recovery? Someone trying to steal/claim a dragon and the dragon throws him off? Tyrion astride Rhaegal and Rhaegal is injured in battle and drops Tyrion in the water? What is most exciting is that this involves a MAIN character! Woo-hoo!
The ambush sounds exciting – especially if it’s on a scale as large as it sounds. Better from my perspective than a straight battle.
It would be awesome if they dropped in on Cersei on her way to Casterly Rock and ruined her escape plan. It was said before that dragon fire wouldn’t have helped Aegon with the Rock.
He’s already declared war on Jaime by joining Daenerys.
Hmmm… Sounds like Dany’s army are the attackers. What could be in those wagons? Cersei fleeing King’s Landing for Casterly Rock? Food for a besieged city (Tyrion would care about that)? Weapons needed for the war to come? Booty from Oldtown sacked by Euron? Books from the Citadel library that Sam is trying to protect? Pots of wildfire (hazardous to transport – they could do a white-knuckle scene lifted straight out of ‘The Wages of Fear’!)?
Lots of juicy speculation fodder in this tidbit, for sure.
Firannion,
I’m thinking food supplies.
Olenna won’t be supplying the Lannisters anymore, so they will be in serious need of food.
I think he talked to Dany already three times about how much he trust Jaime.
I am 86% sure this is Dany vs Cersei.
If Jaime has left KL , why try to attack him, when Olenna,Sand Snakes and Tyrion want only Cersei dead?
Jaime is the chief Lannister commander, and if he’s at this battle, it’s probably in that capacity. As long as he is the Lannister general, he is Daenerys’ enemy, and thus Tyrion’s. Whether Tyrion trusts Jaime is irrelevant (much like whether Tyrion was personally nice to Sansa was irrelevant to them being enemies because they were on opposite sides), as it’s not about personal animus.
If there’s any truth behind it… If it is a “major character” falling from a dragon into the water then it better not be Daenerys. If it is her then the dragon she would fall from would most likely be Drogon. If she’s falling off a dragon that would indicate the dragon probably took a hit that could kill or injure him…
My fun idea:
Perhaps it’s not even a battle scene… Maybe Daenerys notices that the two smaller dragons have taken a liking to Tyrion and she’s trying to train him to ride… and he hilariously falls off.
Maybe the dimensions on Tyrion’s harness need more work to accommodate Dragon sizing.
I agree. After what Cersei did at the end of last season, if Jaime is still commander of her army, then he is everyone else’s enemy by default. If this is true, then this is the big tragedy of Jaime’s life – devoted and in love with someone who’s rotten, till the very end.
Hmmm….. good point. A training exercise should take place above water.
Yes but they don’t talk about battle here, there isn’t any Lannister army, they will attack wagons with goods .
It’s not irrelevant since they had to add Jaime in every single scene Tyrion talked with Dany, and Tyrion thinks he owns his life to him…he doesn’t just like him. It probably means something.
Olenna worked with Jaime to free Marg and knows he wasn’t there when Cersei killed her family.
Elaria was there and knows that only Cersei was rooting for Oberyn’s death, she left Jaime leave from Dorne untouched.
If it is not KL and so Cersei, why would those three allies of Dany attack Jaime? If he is moving away from her to the Rock?
Maybe this will be a moment like Jon being crushed and suffocated but for Daenerys instead; where you feel like she might actually die. But of course she won’t… I hope
I see the
is starting to turn into “a character falls off a dragon”. So far the falling off a dragon is just speculation. And while I do think it’s possible Dany could fall off Drogon (she looked like she could fall during the Battle of Meereen), it’s also possible this could be a character falling off a ship into the water. Maybe that’s how a Greyjoy gets captured?
Sorry, but there’s no time for training sessions involving Tyrion. There is 7 episodes and then a final 6. IF someone is falling from a dragon (and there is no guarantee that this is what the scene is by the way) it’s because the dragon has either thrown someone who shouldn’t be on them off or the dragon has been injured. Injured seems like a decent enough guess. An injured dragon falling into the sea and either seriously injuring or killing it’s rider is something GRRM has written about before. And we all know he likes to repeat history in his stories. And a scene such as this sounds like a distinct possibility of being something direct from GRRM forthcoming from the books.
BunBunStark,
A character falling off a ship into the water was my initial thought too but I responded to the dragon talk instead. I was thinking, “that’s when Euron captures Yara.” (My plot scenario when that tidbit came out was Yara being captured and Theon rescuing her later, regaining his Greyjoy confidence.)
orange,
I don’t think it’s a ridiculous thought. A rider training session doesn’t have to be some drawn out sequence that takes a bunch of episode time. Some of the plot ideas people have been throwing around lately are way off the final path the series is steaming toward and would be seasons long arcs. Something like having Tyrion attempting to ride a dragon could be as short as thirty seconds at the beginning of a scene… (“I don’t feel quite comfortable up here.” “You’ll be okay, just hold on tight.” zoom – oops – splash.) It would be a bit of levity in an otherwise seemingly drama filled season.
I just suggested the thought/idea though – mainly to sway my thoughts from it being Daenerys and Drogon. It’s probably more likely to be something in battle (IF it is a dragon involved incident).
BunBunStark,
I thought thats how one of the greyjoys got captured but then they mentioned the dragon so, that points to dany.
Im thinking Euron will bring the dragon horn into play causing danys dragons to lose their shit and causing dany to be thrown from Drogon into the water
Maybe Varys will fall off of a ship, and we’ll finally find out what he meant by his answer to Tyrion’s early threat. 🙂
Could be. Could also be how an already-captured Greyjoy escapes again: thrown overboard during a sea battle.
We haven’t seen any mythic sea creatures as yet; wouldn’t it be cool for a potentially drowning Theon or Yara/Asha to be buoyed up by a selkie? Or maybe just a friendly passing dolphin? A kraken would be too much to ask…
I’d be so po’d if they suddenly introduce the Dragonbinder in at this point without any hint or mention of it yet. Even without knowing yet if or how it works in the books I hate that George even included it.
Ok, long shot: what if the Cersei – Valonqar prophecy ends with her in an ordinary drowning? Knocked off a cliff, maybe even unintentionally, by Jaime or Tyrion, while wearing that “stylish” armor she’s grown so fond of?
What about a little, wee kraken? Have some major buildup of suspense….frothing, bubbling water, ominous sounds, people wild eyed in terror….and then a tiny kraken bloops up and swims around the person in glee, splashing around with it’s little tentacles and eventually giving them a piggy back ride to safety?
Imagine how much that would throw off viewers. ?
THIS! Yet another case of fans here spinning a yarn from one piece of information. Someone is falling into the water, that’s all. It’d be great if it were someone falling off a dragon but we simply do not know that and there’s nothing to support that. But yet this will become “canon” within hours here.
It’s the same as the report of Euron and Cersei becoming allies so folks here have them married, shacked up with 4 kids and a dog and enslaving the 7 kingdoms. Seriously, guys..
But that’s what I’m trying to clarify. The actual spoiler is “a major character falls into water”. In the article, Sue’s just speculating that it could be a character falling off a dragon. I was pointing out that that speculation is starting to morph into the actual spoiler. Obviously, everyone’s entitled to speculate all they want, it’s just that this is how rumors turn into “spoilers”.
Edit: or what Apollo said.
Jay Targ,
I think that already happened. The last ep of season 3 she is lifted into the air as a Mhysa. The whole scene is beautiful, peaceful, and soaring. Jon’s buried alive scene harks back to the Mhysa moment but is the mirror opposite.
Which, if they’re Lannister goods, presumably have some strategic value. Or possibly the goal is the capture of Jaime, a high value target.
You seem to have missed that personal animus doesn’t factor into it. If Jaime is on Team Cersei, he is their enemy.
Because the Rock is also part of the Lannister empire that Dany has to take down? Unless Jaime joins Team Dany, he is in opposition to it.
ramses,
Yes you’re right, those scenes do mirror each other. However the point I was trying to make is that they will probably try to make you fear for Dany’s life the same way they tried to make you fear for Jon’s in BOTB. And this falling into the water scene may be the way they go about it
Has anyone else read about Devin Oliver being cast as Rhaegar. One of his Instagram posts said something along the lines of “I may or may not be in Game of Thrones Season 7.” He clearly looks the part and does even resemble Harry Lloyd as Viserys in some way. And he’s in a band so he can sing…
…like Rhaegar.
BobtheBuilder,
It’s a false rumor. He was making a joke. That was a still from a video or photoshoot. He’s not part of GoT, I’ve been told.
https://twitter.com/b_cogman/status/781616872747859968
What?
Jay Targ,
ahh, I see.
Quick Google search says “Bizet” was a composer. So it’s probably nothing to do with GOT.
THE KING IN THE NORTH!!!!
Jack Bauer 24,
guessing things are getting busy lol
D & D are good at repeating Game of Thrones scenes….
I predict the ambush is a Brotherhood without Banners scene.
Jack Bauer 24,
I new it! Shit!!!!
BunBunStark,
Nothing to to with GoT??????? I see, you have never watched “Carmen”.
Then take 10 minutes and watch the finale at least:
Flayed Potatoes,
If Euron even touches a dragon I will riot! They are also on my list of characters not allowed to die. It’s like Arya’s Death List but in reverse haha! Wonder who’s falling though…
My first thought was honestly a Greyjoy falling into the water. A dragon-fall would be cool, and I’ll hope for it, but don’t we know (speculate) about a naval battle? Occam’s Razor would suggest it would be something to do with that.
Although, it’s hard to apply Occam’s razor to a show with dragons, white walkers, Wun Wun, and Tryion’s plot armour.
P.S. I hope Tyrion and Jamie meet. Jamie is so angry at Tyrion, and wouldn’t it be just so GoT for the one person Tyrion trusts in his family to turn on him. I also like the thought upthread that someone had about Jamie never being free of Cersei. We all want him redeemed, and “expect” him to kill Crsei, so imagine if that never happens 😛
New what?
Can’t get over the rolled R’s while they’re speaking French!
This is some of my favourite classical. Cogman’s got class.
You know something, Jon Snow,
Occam’s razor tells that falling from a ship it’s not a big deal and we have seen it in this show in spades.
If they are figuring how to make it, it’s gotta be a long, spectacular, and extremely dramatic shot and it leaves us only one option.
I see some Bittersweet scenes in our future.
Can’t wait to see Tyrion interacting again with Cersei and Jaime..this will be fun!
You think he’ll stick with Cersei after she did the thing for which he earned the name and reputation ‘Kingslayer’? I wonder…
When has someone fallen from a ship?
If the production crew are testing whether the fall into the water is possible then it’s probably an actual stunt rather than just part of ordinary filming, which could mean somebody falling from a dragon from a height.
But it’s impossible to predict without further details.
However, to all those suggesting it might involve a Greyjoy falling into the sea during a battle, just look up Los Barruecos and come back and tell us if you think a sea battle is very likely at that location. 😉
Since a main character falls into water was worth a mention then it’s probably a high fall. I’m going to assume it is off a dragon. So I believe it’s either a dragon gets injured and is falling or someone tries to ride a dragon.
If a dragon is not involve, then it may be a ship that a character falls off.
I am also pretty certain the lannister siblings will be Jamie and Tyrion. I’m not sure where they stand personally but they are on opposite sides.
Gave it a Google. The only things I definitively know now are: 1) it’s beautiful, and 2) not very sea-like.
I’m not in the film industry, and I know that the ship scenes in the past have largely been filmed indoors (or in a parking lot?) but maybe that’s why they’re testing it out. Who knows?
Plant me firmly in the camp of “not assuming it’s a fall from a dragon, but hoping for it” 🙂
Of course we willl have a battle.Emilia already said it. A ambush can turn to a battle and for me at least is even more exciting.
wagons of goods? Has anyone mentioned that this could be Edmure’s wagon being led to the Rock?
Wow! What breed of dog?!
BunBunStark,
If he hasn’t attended a performance of a Bizet opera of which Carmen is the most popular then this Bizet reference might mean Valonquar.
You know something, Jon Snow,
Tyrion has fallen from a boat, Davos from a ship. Arya from a bridge, Sansa and Theon from a tower gate, Bran from a tower and Lysa from moon door
Aguero,
A battle somewhere yes, but whether the scene filming in Malpartida can be called a battle, that was the question.
Lol, wildlings fell from the wall, the hound down a mountain, & stonemen off a cliff 🙂
It will get really exciting when the filming starts in Spain because that’s when most of the spoilers/ leaks come out. We can expect something new almost daily. Not much ever comes out of Belfast unfortunately.
I agree with the others who said this will be Tyrion vs Jaime. It looks like Tyrion’s team will be doing the attacking.
As for a major character falling in water, my first thought was somebody falling from a ship. But if it is a dragon, I really don’t think it will be Dany on Drogon (unless Drogon gets injured, but I always thought it likely that it would be one of the other 2 dragons who would be in danger, Drogon always seemed the safest). It will be somebody else Tyrion/ Euron? on one of the other dragons.
My guess is cersie retreating with Jamie out of kings landing.they get caught by Dany and Tyrion. Cersie dies by drawning.
All it says is a character falls into the water. Could be from a boat, could be a dragon picking up and dropping them. The “falling from a dragon” is the most intriguing theory part is just that…a theory as much as the rest.
Maybe it’s Varys and all the merman Varys theorists can rejoice.
Could be Yara. We know her actress got injured during a stunt and one of the greyjoys are captured. A watery grave/landing would befit a greyjoy. She drowns and comes back by the blessing of the drowned god and true heir to the Iron Islands.
With the recent focus on the Iron Islands and the powers of the god/gods, I could see it happening. At this point resurrections are overdone but I’d enjoy it for the lore.
What do people think about this possibility –
The civil war is coming to an end and Cersei has lost. She burns down KL and attempts to retreat to Casterly Rock but is ambushed by Tyrion?
There’s seriously no time left! I really doubt that secondary characters will get a lot of screen time to scheme and plot. I feel like everything is going to be straight-forward. I’m so excited for this upcoming season!
Oh gosh, you remember that? There was endless speculation about whom the poor souls on those crosses were. Someone was certain that somehow it was Davos or Rickon or Tormund. There were pleas to Sue to find out and more than one answer from Sue that it was NOT a main character on the cross. Turns out the burning bodies were unnamed; they were just a part of Ramsay’s mind game. I like the speculation part though, keeps things interesting and the time moving a little more quickly.
As for the ambush mentioned, my first thought that it was a food delivery heading toward where ever Dany’s army was, to feed all those Dothraki, and it was attacked by starving peasants. I thought that would explain the great number of extras. But on a re-read, I see that it says “They describe a scene involving wagons with goods traveling from a castle (inserted with CGI), attacked by enemy soldiers.” So soldiers, and a Lannister is involved. It could be Jaime, preventing any food from heading toward Dorne, or him attempting to divert it to KL. Doesn’t have to be Tyrion.
Now you’ve done it, you reminded Oz about Lysa. I sense he’s somewhere with tears in his eyes. Or maybe not… is Oz still avoiding spoiler threads? Or since we are so officially off-book, is he allowed on here for general spoilers. I miss that guy in the off-season.
Sean C.,
I am just trying to connect the spoilers. An ambush on wagons/someone get carried on a lit/only Dany’s army/Tyrion the only sure Lannister member/Only one of his siblings/Jaimes and Cersei’s relationship.
Even if we forget that Jaime will have a huge problem with Cersei, if Jaime was there wouldnt he had his own army with him? Who will get carried.?
It could be Jaime if it was a battle,but in my my mind it makes no sense to be Jaime and CR. Will Tyrion ever get it if he leaves the people starving and attacks the man who saved his life? Thats so cruel from him.
Cersei wanted him dead,Dany wants the Throne, Olenna revenge,Sands Snakes the same. Jaime can be their first target only if he helps Cersei which i doupt….unless the team is so cruel now and wants.populations dead as well.
Bufferzone,
Cersey and Euron will adopt Ramsay’s puppies.
dothrakian raven,
You are right! I thought that Don Jose’s role would be played by Daario, but you are right – Jamie fits even better.
Didn’t Emilia say there was an extremely sad moment involving her this season, could be the death of drogon while she is riding on him. Meaning she falls into the water.
Could be so many things though…
Oh, it’s Sandor didn’t you know? He’ll be curled up at Cersei’s feet with a little pink collar. ?
My guess is that the wagon scene probably involes the Brotherhood. Ambush sounds like their sort of tactics. Maybe the wagons are Lannister supplies for Riverrun or possibly the Frey army returning from Riverrun to The Twins.
Ben,
Emilia didn’t say it involved her storyline. It could be anything.
Last season Emilia also said a few things about crying at some parts of the script and once it aired we found out she was actually talking about the Hodor stuff. So just because she talks about another sad moment, doesn’t mean it has anything to do with her storyline.
And then Tyrion knows that he’d need a proper saddle…..
You know something, Jon Snow,
S2E9
Thi Targaryen,
yes, it would be cool! They are great together the most fun team 🙂
I just hope that Dany will get a good battle this season. 🙂 Seriously, all the previous seasons, she has been so shortchanged on good battles in favour of Jon, it’s unbelievable.
Well, if someone is going to fall into the water I just hope it’s warm…lol. Could be from a battle at sea or off a dragon but my money is a fight at sea. Makes the most sense to me. But then again at this point it’s all conjecture.
As to the wagons being attacked I have to agree that it could be a supply train. Without the Tyrells backing, as pointed out by Firannion, Kings Landing is going to be hurting. I could see Jaime riding with a convoy of wagons as protection against robbers. Now why Dany would attack it? The only reason I could see would be to cut off the supply lines to Cersei. ‘Course then again, it could be anything at all. If the Dothraki and Unsullied are involved it could be something totally different.
I can’t see Cersei tucking her tail and heading to Casterly Rock. The only way I can see her leaving the Red Keep is either under duress or by being carried out dead. She’s too mean to leave because she’s scared…lol.
So, friends, let the speculation begin. It’s going to be a long winter. Hope Sue throws us lots of juicy tidbits to keep us going until next summer.
Why does she need a battle? She has dragons.
We could also say all the Starks’ connection with their direwolves have been so shortchanged for Dany’s dragons, it’s unbelievable 🙂 . You win some, you lose some. Everybody talks about her dragons, barely anybody (among show-onlies) talks about the direwolves 🙁 .
Besides, a battle featuring Dany in Essos would not really have worked because we do not really care for any character other than herself (till Tyrion reached there at least). The only time I think you could say that she was shortchanged in terms of battles is last season, where the battle of ice got more prominence than the battle of fire. I am not complaining because I am way more invested in the Starks than Essos, but I can understand Dany fans could have been disappointed.
Anyways, any battle next season has to involve the south, imo. I really don’t see the North getting involved in a battle in S7.
– Character falling into the water: That they fall off a dragon is a guess, not fact. Same’s true of these two battles being part of a whole. Dany’s trying to take the Iron Throne by conquest, so she’ll be involved in battles. This one is taking place in the “watery” location and Dany is arriving on an armada. If there’s a naval battle, anyone can fall into the water; a dragon isn’t necessary.
– But I like the thought of Dany losing a dragon and falling into the water. So far her battles have been rich in cgi but lacking in emotional involvement, as she has been guaranteed a victory every time. Heading into Westeros, she’s, once again, overpowered. If the show is trying to create suspense for her, they may kill off a “red shirt” dragon (not Drogon) that she or someone else is riding that day, or maybe Euron magics a dragon or two away.
– Wagons and Lannisters and the location: Cersei is a stationary character. She hasn’t moved out of King’s Landing since the middle of Game. I can’t see her getting out while she’s queen, so if she’s in those wagons, she’s lost the throne. I’ve always assumed she would die at King’s Landing, but maybe she boobytraps the city with wildfire, packs her goodies in wagons, and heads for Casterly Rock. That ambush would involve all three Lannisters and Dany, a huge scene, and could explain the numbers involved.
Jack Bauer 24,
Bizet’s most famous work of course is Carmen. Which
1st plays in Sevilla, and
2nd is about a man in love stabbing his beloved woman out of jealousy and sorrow.
Do we have to fear about Daenerys’ life? And who will be José killing her – Daario or Jorah?
Or it might be Jaime killing his beloved sister…
So much room to fantasize about a single Twitter message 😉
Devin Oliver on the rumour of him playing Rhaegar
https://twitter.com/devinoliver/status/781560981981892608
Yaga,
That is because Jon is a warrior. He trained for combat many years. He’s a man in a world where it’s mostly men who do the fighting so why would Dany be involved in hand to hand combat, especially when she has the dragons?
SerNoName,
Because she deserves the screentime.
ghost of winterfell,
I don’t think the comparison between being shortchanged on battles and animals holds. Battles are screentime. Animals are side characters. Different thing.
ghost of winterfell,
I know right? There was no way the battle of fire could have been longer than what we got on the show. She had the bigger armies and the dragons, which meant a quick victory. There wouldn’t have been enough material to fill an episode unless something bad happened to the dragons.
Yaga,
Probably because all the battles he was in actually matter more in terms of the endgame than Dany burning slaver no. 25. Or maybe because his story arcs have more characters viewers are invested in on both sides and higher stakes (I doubt viewers are rooting or worried about the fate of slavers). Or maybe because he doesn’t have dragons that can wrap up a battle quickly.
On that note, I can say Jon (and Arya’s) warging has been shortchanged, while Dany gets permanently fireproofed, and that the direwolves have been set aside in favor of the dragons (no Ghost in the KITN scene or battle, no Nymeria’s super pack and don’t get me started on Summer).
I can understand dany not having a huge battle scene yet because of the reasons others have mentioned, like it was basically her as a major character in Essos for most of the seasons, she has such a huge army and dragons and could get things done easily so far etc.
But they better give her a big battle scene in this season, not a slaughter, they’ll probably have to make her lose half her army or maybe a dragon or two so it won’t be another 3min scene. And probably having Cersei involved I can’t see why they’d not make it big. We had 3 big battles in the North in the last 3 seasons, so we should be done with them at least until when the WW invade.
The animals themselves are side characters yes. But the bond that our protagonists share with them helps to define them to a certain extent. This is especially true when you consider that, as Flayed Potatoes said, the warging abilities of Jon and Arya have been removed from the show. Compared to this, Dany being the Mother of Dragons has been so emphasised that it is one of her most enduring aspect of in the minds of the audience. There are so many people who love her because she is the mother of dragons.
In the books, Jon’s connection with Ghost and Arya’s with Nymeria is one of the more endearing factors in their storyline, which is completely missing in the show. I am not trying to make a book vs show argument here, all I am saying is every character has had to lose something in the adaptation because there is only so much time and budget the show can expend.
Kargaryen,
I agree with this.
And as a Jon fan, I want him to deal with quieter aspects like coming to terms with his identity, the politics and the challenges of ruling than yet another battle in the coming season.
Pretty much this. There was no reason to give Daenerys a full fledged battle sequence in Essos when we know that Essos will likely not matter to the overall endgame. But now that Dany is headed to Westeros I fully expect D&D to give her an actual battle (maybe a few small ones with a big concluding one?)
IF the speculation about a character falling off a dragon is true, I would love to think it may be setting up Tyrion to design a dragon saddle! I mean it CANNOT be comfortable to be sitting on a dragon, and in battle with a dragon swooping, diving, spinning, etc. it would take a immense effort to stay on.
I feel this was foreshadowed when Tyrion provided Bran with the saddle in season 1. It also does not matter which character falls (although it would be awesome if it was Tyrion it makes more sense if it is Dany) it just provides the opportunity to further cement his worth to Dany and gives the viewers an example on how Tyrion “knows things”. hehe
ghost of winterfell,
Same here. He’ll get plenty of action when the WW arrive. Now I want the show to finally deal with the effects of his resurrection, his identity after R+L=J is revealed, and not to mention his leadership skills and rule in the North. I need some character development and I hope the Sansa/LF drama isn’t the only thing they’ll focus on.
Yaga,
You also need to consider that Dany did get the big episode 9 in S5. Daznak’s Pit had as much screentime as Hardhome (or near enough as to not make much of a difference) . The fact that it was not as appreciated as Hardhome does not take away from the fact that the event did get the screentime and attention.
Flayed Potatoes,
I agree.
Yankee Dragonslayer,
The casting for these scenes and leaks from set point towards Dothraki and Unsullied, not the Brotherhood.
Plus, the Riverlands are filmed in Northern Ireland, not Spain.
Elizabeth,
I’m afraid that doesn’t make the most sense, since there is no sea at the location this fall is being planned for.
Caceres is over a hundred miles from the sea in all directions.
But it would hardly make any sense? Her dragons would burn her enemy’s armies like Aegon did on the Field of Fire. There was a reason even the Starks knelt and surrendered to him. Drogon burned an entire ship in seconds.
There are other ways to give Dany screentime instead of stupidly putting her in the middle of a battle she could end in minutes using her dragons.
Why are folks assuming that the Northern storyline will be fairly uneventful next season, or that there won’t be any battles in the North?
It’s pretty clear the WWs are heading straight to the wall now, as the NK now has the knowledge, ability and the tools to bring it down. There’s nothing else for them to do BUT march on the wall, so they’ll be at Bran and Meeras heels.
So- S7 will almost certainly bring the wall down, and early on too- with battles galore, many deaths, beloved characters becoming wights- all the bleak stuff we’ve come to expect from the show and the books (and have been promised).
The North has to be ravaged by the WWs before the remaining kingdoms take notice and unite against them. Not everything has to happen at the end of the season, especially so with less episodes. The battle for the dawn will not be one single battle against the WWs- the realm needs to bleed and freeze before that.
The only reason we’ve not heard any reports yet is because they won’t shoot those scenes for several months. But Winter is coming! ?
As a Dany fan I agree she needs more screen time (remember how in one episode last season she showed up for 5 seconds) but not necessarily with battles. Character development is missing here too. We barely get to see her inner strugles for example. That’s why I appreciate so much a scene like that one with Tyrion in Ep10. We saw her doubting herself, afraid, etc. And thats what I am afraid the show is doing. We get less of these scenes and more big scenes every season.
The Wall won’t fall until the finale (or, possibly, the penultimate episode), because that would interfere with the other stories that have been set up, particularly in the North.
Apollo,
I think there could be an initial battle in the North between the White Walkers and the Northerners next season.
I could even picture Winterfell coming under siege as the climax to the season, perhaps. Although, whether Jon and co would remain there to defend it is another question.
But I think the 6 episodes of Season 8 will be long enough to depict the slaughter, the castles and kingdoms being overrun, and the general apocalyptic scale of the war for the dawn.
I don’t think the Wall needs to fall, or could fall, too early from a narrative perspective.
The White Walkers have the numbers. They have the element of surprise over most of the Westerosi. They can replenish their army as they go, recruiting as many people as they kill. And they are intent on total destruction of the Seven Kingdoms.
Once the Wall falls, we’re not going to see a series of skirmishes or a war of attrition. It’ll be a relentless conquest moving southwards.
We’re unlikely to see many proper battles before the final showdown, but rather a few more Hardhome-esque evacuations and futile defences of strongholds.
Jon knows that the only way to defeat the White Walkers and their army will be through uniting as large an army as possible, and that’s what the producers will likely place most of the war’s focus on rather than on a series of battles.
Plus, there’s still some local politics, alliances, reunions and family tree discovery to be getting on with during the early episodes in the North.
I could picture the Wall being assaulted and falling as a contrast to Daenerys’ eventual victory over Cersei and capture of King’s Landing, coming probably around episode 6.
And the season end with the onset of the war, so that the producers can just throw us straight into the melee from the beginning of Season 8 with everybody at panic stations.
ita, but by the same token Dany has been shortchanged by being overprivileged. Jon’s at an advantage (as a character) not only because of his location, but because his presence does not guarantee victory. Take Hardhome or Battle of the Bastards. Jon did not win Hardhome; he barely got away, saving only a few wildlings. He lost the Battle of the Bastards, and had to be saved by Sansa. Even the battle for Castle Black ended in tragedy for him: Ygritte died. Many of his friends died. Stakes are high whenever Jon’s in a battle. Speaking for myself, since I can’t take his victory for granted, I get emotionally involved in his struggles. As a result, I like him and root for him.
Dany is the opposite. Has there been a single moment, after the birth of the dragons, that anyone was concerned for Dany’s survival, or for the survival of her side? Drogon whisked her out of danger at Daznak’s Pit. Drogon overhead undid any danger she might have been in with the Dothraki, and it all ended too easily, with a display of Targaryen fire magic. The slaver armada had little emotional impact, as it was obvious the dragons would take it down. Again, speaking for myself, that distances me from Dany. I see no need to root for her, as it’s a given that victory will be handed to her.
What other stories in the North, all we have are vague rumblings of tension between Sansa and Jon.
Wow spoilers ! And about the Lannisters too ! Yippee ! 🙂
As far as the wagons are concerned, I could imagine the Reach sending food and goods to Daenerys’s troops. Armies need to eat and this is what the Reach is famous for : it is Westeros’s Fertile Crescent (along with some parts of the Riverlands). Cersei’s forces would have to try to seize the supplies not only to weaken the Targaryen men but also to feed King’s Landing and/or the Lannister forces.
As for Jaime… Poor guy ! Where would he go if he left Cersei ?
Would he join the Starks, the people whose brother he pushed down a tower, whose other brother kept him captive for over a year and whose great-uncle he caused the death of ? Could he possibly side with Daenerys, considering she is aligned with the Sands who murdered Myrcella, and Tyrion who killed his father (also Olenna who poisoned Joffrey, but Jaime does not know that) ? I do not think either of those options is really on the table at the moment.
For all her faults, Cersei did not kill Tommen nor did she even intend to. She did cause his death, to a certain extent, by underestimating his attachment to his wife but that’s hardly on the same level as Ellaria’s cold-blooded assassination of Myrcella or Tyrion’s intentional patricide. Furthermore, in regards to the attack on the Sept, Cersei only did what Jaime told her to do :
The only problem that may end up tearing them apart is that she did it on her own…
Jaime wanted to go back to King’s Landing to rescue her, because he thought she needed him. However, as it turned out, she got the job done with a crazy scientist, a beefed-up zombie and a handful of street urchins. She did not need him at all.
Anyway, I am very eager to see a Jaime – Tyrion reunion. Would Tyrion attempt to justify Tywin’s murder to his older brother ? Would Jaime question his sibling’s alliance with the people who poisoned Myrcella out of spite and cowardice, to Tyrion’s dismay ?
So many possibilities… ^^
maria,
He was saved by Littlefinger (Sansa was also saved by Littlefinger).
And yes I agree. It’s predictable. It’s one of the main issues I have with Dany’s story.
Apollo,
I wouldn’t really call it ‘vague rumblings’. They’ve been flogging this idea in every episode Jon and Sansa appeared in since 605, and the finale had a whole featurette specifically recorded about it. It’s very obviously going to be the main Northern plot in Season 7, as Littlefinger’s last throw of the dice.
In other news, more Daily Mail on-set photos, again featuring Kit and the maybe-body double, maybe-actress, who apparently is pals with Kit, just like the actress she’s maybe-doubling for.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3815868/Kit-Harington-shares-hug-star-Sophie-Turner-s-body-double-set-Game-Thrones-Northern-Ireland.html#comments
There is new pics of Kit with Sophie’s body-double leaving the set. Dailymail keeps calling her that but Sophie is in London https://www.instagram.com/p/BK_AWGlDyoq/. I don’t understand a lot of these things but why they would need her body double if she is not there !?
Myname,
The photos are undated, so they may be older. But one of the captions says she’s been “filming scenes as Sansa Stark”, which, if it’s not just wild supposition by a notoriously low-standards newspaper (which is entirely possible), would indicate that they’re using her to do filming that Sansa is notionally in but not focused on at any moment (not unheard of in TV and film, I guess, though I’m not sure what sort of scene that would be).
More interesting than the photos themselves is that the DM seems to have some sort of ongoing on-set mole feeding them photos, which could be a regular spoiler source going forward.
I couldn’t agree more.
The Wall falling is the beginning of the end : it is showtime !
In order for our heroes to even stand a chance, they need to have at least a vague idea of how to defeat the White Walkers when it happens. As of now, they have nothing of great significance : they know Valyrian steel, Dragon Glass and fire (for the wights, not the Others) are fatal to them but there is so little of the first two materials it is hard to devise any semi-worthy plan with just that.
As long as Sam is still at the Citadel, looking for information, I doubt the Wall will fall. The knowledge he and Bran (will) carry is essential to the outcome of the Battle so, narratively speaking, they need to be “loaded” before it starts.
Unless these photographs and the previous batch were all parts of one series of pictures taken on the same day, which The Daily Mail chose to divide into two to double the number of clicks… Deathly Hallows style ! ^^
ACME,
I considered that too. If the photos are from the same batch, than Sophie’s currently being in London right now is obviously irrelevant.
Sean C.,
Yep !
I really would not put it past them to do such a thing; they will milk whatever little they have for everything it’s worth. It is, after all, The Daily Mail ^^
Flayed Potatoes,
Petyr and SANSA!!!! lol. I never thought this would happen, but among the “sorta good guys,” Jon is now my favorite. Sadly, none of these spoilers are in his neck of the woods :/
Guys check this guy twitter! He/she has more pictures of the casting coming out from make up
@PAP4U
In one of the piture you can see Lord Glover or I think he is…
Edith,
Oh interesting Sophie’s body double has a sword
So I guess it’s not body double but a new character.
Thanks for sharing 🙂
Myname,
Is that a sword? All I could make out is some kind of leather belt.
Pigeon,
I need to see that, D&D need to hire you pronto! 😀
Myname,
Yeah no way that’s Sansa.So there is a new character who is a redhead,has a sword and hangs around Jon.This is getting interesting lol.
Sean C.,
Zoom in the picture and you can see a round thing next to the belt that’s the top of the sword
Jenny,
LOL
I wonder which house her and the littlle boy they belong to.
Sean C.,
Yeah but IIRC that’s the thing they use when they carry a sword.
Sean C.,
It looks like a belt to me.
Maybe she’s Alys Karstark or Wylla Manderly (but without the green hair lol).
Or they could be Glover’s kids.
Edith,
Indeed, it’s Lord Glover. Interesting he is wearing a bathrobe. The guess that Team Winterfell will be awakened in the middle of the night and rush into the Great Hall half dressed makes more and more sense. And it looks like the maiden with a sword and the boy will be the reason.
Myname,
Me too and I wonder which high stakes situations are they involved or escaping from since I doubt it’s going to be WW.Only if it’s like the last episode but I doubt that.
Jenny,
So she might not be Sansa’s body double after all. Yeah, interesting. I wish we got some idea of what’s going on, lol.
Also, great to see that Lord Glover will be returning as well.
If it turns out she’s not a double, interesting that these photos show all the major Northern castmembers present (including Littlefinger) except Sansa and Tormund. Would their presence create any unacceptable concentration of redheads?
Sean C.,
Well he says that he has more pictures, so we don’t know yet who else was there.
In the first pictures there was not Lord Glover…
Did the guy remove the photos because I’m not seeing any of Lord Glover. 🙁
Edit: nevermind, found ’em!
BunBunStark,
Nope! Picture still there! He’s the one using a bathrobe
Sean C.,
A phenomenon scientifically referred to as a “Ginger Convergence”. Highly combustible.
Besides the return of Lord Glover (yay!), I find the redhead wearing a sword belt very interesting. I’m seriously starting to doubt she’s Sansa’s body double and may be the 16 year old girl from the casting call. The presence of most of the Northern leading cast and the boy and sword-carrying girl certainly sounds like it will be “a high stakes scene”. I can’t wait.
Oh, I just remembered, Lord Glove said his wife and children were imprisoned by the Iron Born, maybe these kids are his. That might explain why Glover is in this scene.
Hmm. Her features are very much like Sophie’s (from one side shot!), but I can’t see Sansa being somehow able to manage a sword in any real capacity unless they do quite a time lapse, which is possible. I’ll go with it being a new character as well.
Never thought about how Jon Snow is a descendant of Aegon the Conquerer and The King Who Knelt, I’m sure this has already been discussed though. I would love to see the seen when he finds out he is a Targaryen.
Wonder if she really said His name is..(Aegon Targaryen). I am thinking so since why waste time if his name is Jon Snow? since that isn’t a part of Ned’s flashbacks in the novels. The crow refers to him as “King Jon Snow” in the novels so I am guessing he ISN’T a bastard afterall since legitimacy inherits the title.
I am assuming since Ned contrasted Robert and Rhaegar as thinking Rhaegar didn’t frequent brothels leading into he would save her honor by marrying her as well as quell a would be Blackfyre part 3. Yeah pretty sure they are married and had been the entire time in the Towerof Joy.
BunBunStark,
Good point: if you are right, the message that startles everyone may be related to the Ironborn. In general, it looks like the ginger maiden with the sword is bringing the message about some attack she just escaped with her little brother (?); she is asking Jon for help and he is facing a tough decision distracting him from the WW issue. Lord Glover might be required in such scene because of his experience: he will probably urge Jon to march to the aid of his subjects and/or allies and Jon will be reluctant to turn his back on the Wall.
Another high stake situation I can imagine would be wildlings causing problems and Littlefinger using that to discredit Jon.
Plenty of fire, but no soul at all! Or so ’tis said…
Quaithe,
I am also sure that Jon was born in a wedlock. I just wonder about divorces in Westeros. Jorah is kind of divorced: he said his wife was with another man in S1. Then in S4 Oberyn said that Rhaegar left his sister for another women: I don’t think “left” meant some casual affair – I think that meant an official divorce.
Thus spoke Eric Theodore Cartman.
However, it has been whispered that ginger people do earn a freckle for each soul they consume… Beware, brothers and sisters !
Really? Not at ALL in one of my favorite Tyrion-Daenerys scenes from Season 6 – when she names him Hand of the Queen. No Jaime anywhere. Come to think of it, wasn’t there just one Jaime mention in Season 6 – when Tyrion mentioned wildfire? Which was, IMO, a nice foreshadow of the wildfire incident in the finale!
I hope Tyrion and Jaime don’t meet as enemies, but if they do, it’s all on Jaime, if he is fool enough to stay with Cersei. The things I do for love……
And there it is! All gingers are soul suckers!! Been waiting for it to be said! I am one of those soul-stealing gingers, in fact I have the exact hair they were going for with Sansa. The super long, deep red bordering on a bright copper penny. Reflects like Gold or is that flame? Sleep well…the night is dark and full of terrors.
mau,
I guess I thought that was more Davos being blown away by wildfire. Yes, he did go overboard. I was responding to the point that a fall from a ship isn’t something that’s been done in spades, as previously suggested.
But I’ll stop with my speculation on that, I guess. Like Jon, I know nothing 😉
Inga,
…a terry bathrobe?
The silence from Steven Moffat, compared to last year, makes me wonder if at some point the Iron Bank will come after the Lannisters and Littlefinger for the fortune they’re owed — perhaps backed by Euron’s armada???
This kind of makes me wonder…Is Dany and her fleet sailing arouns to the western side of Westeros first to deal with Euron? They headed for Casterly Rock? Will Euron and the Iron Fleet try to take Lannisport and Casterly Rock? Goes against book canon I know, but that would be an interesting twist.
Then again, they may be going to try to retake the Shield Islands after all, since the Martell’s are with them.
butthorn,
:facepalm: I meant Tyrell’s, not Martell’s.