New Game of Thrones Season 7 Photos, with Daenerys, Jon, Cersei and Jaime!

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Kit Harington as Jon Snow. Photo: HBO

A single day after Movistar jumped ahead of everyone else in releasing a featurette focused on Spain and Iceland location filming, the Spanish Game of Thrones broadcaster has done it again, this time with new promotional photographs featuring Jon Snow, as seen above, as well as Daenerys Targaryen, and Cersei and Jaime Lannister.

With no more preamble, here are the remaining pictures:

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Lena Headey and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Cersei and Jaime. Photo: HBO

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Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen. Photo: HBO

UPDATE: A new photo has surfaced, featuring Daenerys as well, in her new stronghold:

Emilia Clarke as Daenerys. Photo: HBO

Emilia Clarke as Daenerys. Photo: HBO

If my powers of observation don’t don’t fail me, these photos, with Dany meaningfully touching Westerosi ground for the first time and the Lannisters planning over their fancy new map, appear to belong to the season premiere. It may follow, then, that Jon’s grim visage at the top of the article also be from the first episode, which airs July 16. That’s right: in little more than a month we’ll be seeing these scenes in motion!

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    1. Aww, I love how much we are being fed lately. They all look gorgeous, I can’t wait.
      The way Dany touches and picks up the sand gives me massive Henry Tudor feels.

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    2. Jonny looks good.

      Wish they’d given Cersei a cute wavy bob cut. Can’t wait to see her insult everyone. My queen <3

      Hope Cersei stops drinking when she finds out she’s pregnant because gorl that’s not a good look.

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    3. Jon,babe,I know that your life generally sucks and it’s must be really cold but just smile a bit lol.Jaime is probably thinking that he should get Cersei to a rehab center and Dany’s face and wig looks really gorgeous this season.

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    4. Flayed Potatoes,

      Yeah I don’t think that is a notion in their world so maybe it would be kinda anachronistic for her to stop.I don’t think it became a notion in our world until late last century.

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    5. Flayed Potatoes,

      Nothing in this world will ever keep her away from the drinky drink

      I love Dany’s costume, but for some reason.. It just doesn’t seem tailored right to Emilia’s stature. She carries it well though. The scene where she arrives to Westeros is going to be very emotional. Can’t wait to hear Ramin’s score to it.

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    6. Nice to see show!Jaime in his standard position of standing at Cersei’s shoulder, pondering the destruction of his own rich character arc. 🙁

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    7. Jon looks he’s about kick some ass.

      Cersei as usually with a glass of wine in her hand. She must be a pretty big alcholic at this point.

      Dany is looking somewhere, probably landing at DS?

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    8. Jenny,

      Lol Jon was literally born mope-y, he ain’t gonna change now.
      Jaime is probably thinking, wtf how many people would Cersei need to blow up before I stop following her around…

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    9. Jon doesn’t look overly happy; I’m trying to figure out from the picture which part of WInterfell he is in, and over his left hand shoulder is something that looks like it could possibly be the beginnings of an archway – is this Jon exiting the crypts?

      The Daenerys picture looks like a still from some of the video footage we’ve seen. Have to say, I’m really looking forward to seeing her in Westerosi locations, and to seeing how her Essosi allies/soldiers adapt.

      Jaime and Cersei is interesting – particularly the prominence of the wine, which I don’t think Jaime will be too happy about. He certainly looks about as jolly as Jon does in any case. IF this scene is from 701 as Luka suggests, the presence of the map is interesting and raises some questions. Is it simply there because they know of the Dornish threat and assume Olenna will fight back after the explosion in 610? Are they aware Daenerys is heading for Westeros? LF told Sansa in 610 that news of the Battle of Winterfell would spread quickly – in this scene, do Jaime and Cersei know that LF has allied the Vale with the North, and that House Stark has re-taken Winterfell? Ultimately, which threats are Cersei and Jaime aware of in this scene?

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    10. wow…….im loving all these photos! thank you HBO. I hope I’m not being too greedy anticipating a second trailer next week!

      I think Jon is angry at the sight of someone and is probably hurrying down to give them the kind of grab he gave littlefinger in the trailer. Question is, who could that be?

      by the way, I think this is the first time Daenerys is wearing pants. All her previous dresses come without those.

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    11. ghost of winterfell,

      I’m not spoiled so obvs could be wrong but I’ve gotta think that They are laying on a little thick this idea that Jaimes sticking around for long – all the stuff we’ve got with Jaime and Cersei in the same place from pics/trailers/interviews so far could be from the first episode. Maybe he somehow doesn’t know about the wildfire yet / maybe she’ll try to tell him it was an accident. Maybe he’ll be switching sides by midseason? One can hope.

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    12. With Jon its certainly winterfell with the snow coming down, he must’ve heard some news or is pissed about something that he seen. Not sure but he looks like he’s out with vendetta in his eyes, GO JON GO!

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    13. Ofcourse they all look fabulous..

      That landing scene is sure going to be emotional and can’t wait to feel it in the screen with ramin’s OST and Emilia’s eyes..

      The two things missing from that landing scene is not having jorah .iam sure dany would have wanted him with her when she takes the home ( he will be with her in the books though),.. Other thing is not having dragons and gargoyles all around the steps that they walk in …it would have been nice to have dragons on each side of the steps like we see in most Asian temples ..

      I have to say very good move by writers.. When people are expecting Jon and dany at the westeros painted table ..they have given cersei and Jamie a painted westeros map ..

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    14. Am I the only person who sees Cersie and starts singing “how do we fix a problem like Maria” in my head … her hair is starting to give me serious Julie Andrews vibes

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    15. ghost of winterfell,

      I know lol but he has such a beautiful smile.Actually I might be complaining in vain cause he did smile quite a bit in season six so the tradition might continue in season seven.As for Jaime welll that is complicated.For one he really hated the faith militant and was advocating left and right for killing them all last season.She might say that was her only way out and even that they corrupted Tommen and drove him to suicide.It’s hard because he has been with her for so long and feels like she is the only one she has in the world.It’s difficult to get out of toxic relationships like that.Anyway I actually I am really exited to see Jaime’s arc this season.It showcases different aspects of his character and all his central relationships have developments.

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    16. King Beyond the Wall II,

      On the contrary, she always has pants and boots under her dresses. Michelle Clapton explained this decision was to make fans understand that Dany has never felt truly safe and she has always been prepared to run away. You can see her pants/boots clearly in S5 & S6 !
      It’s really genuinely sad now that I think about it, I feel bad for her.
      She’s finally home now. That scene when she touches westerosi soil is gonna be really powerful. I truly hope she finds her peace one day.

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    17. Alba Stark,

      I was about to write that Jaime looks less happy than Jon… If he abandons Cersei and goes after Brienne I bet he could smile again!

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    18. Sansa’s Knight,

      I was not… but from now on I certainly will!
      Like Flayed Potatoes, I would have liked a wavy bob for Cersei. I rather like this Maria hairstyle, but I know how beautiful Lena looks with a bob.

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    19. Sansa’s Knight:
      Am I the only person who sees Cersie and starts singing “how do we fix a problem like Maria” in my head … her hair is starting to give me serious Julie Andrews vibes

      Very much having those vibes now! Though had I seven children, I would NOT entrust them to Cersei!!

      Shy Lady Dragon:

      If he abandons Cersei and goes after Brienne I bet he could smile again!

      Am very hopeful that such a thing comes to pass!!!

      I was also reflecting generally on all the pictures/footage we’ve been given over the last few weeks from the stills to the trailer to the production videos……and actually, I think the location I am currently most excited about is Oldtown. We have seen next to nothing of Sam and Gilly – only a quick glimpse in one of the production videos and a single still. Am also keen to see how Oldtown is represented in the opening credits.

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    20. Queenofthrones,

      I am very spoiled, so I get scared to discuss anything with the people avoiding spoilers 🙂 .
      If this photo is from the first episode, maybe Jaime looks unhappy because he is confronting Cersei about what happened ? Idk.

      Jenny,

      It was not just the Faith Militant that Cersei killed though. She killed off the Tyrells too, thereby ensuring yet another enemy they have to face, as well as indirectly being responsible for Tommen’s death. Besides, there were normal KL citizens present too.

      I know it’s hard to break away from toxic relationships, but we have been waiting for this since S3! It seems a long enough time lol. But yeah, I am excited for Jaime’s arc next season.

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    21. King Beyond the Wall II,

      Actually Dany has been wearing pants since midway S1 and hasn’t stopped since, it’s most noticeable in the blue dress she wore S3 and S4 when she was freeing slaves and when she wears Dothraki clothes, especially noticeable when she was in the red waste in S2 and in S6 EP9 . Michelle Clapton the designer stated before that even all the fancy dresses she wears, she is still wearing her dothraki riding pants and boots underneath them all because she never feels safe and is always ready to run if she needs to do so.
      Obviously though some outfits the pants are more noticeable than others.

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Me too, I wish it was just a little longer, just even slightly above the shoulders would of been a better look. I Imagine it has been quite a while since The Walk Of Shame to Dany coming to Westeros, so a bit longer would of been quite believable.

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    22. Gorgeous pictures all around. Jon looks as delightfully broody as ever and Daenerys looks beautifully intrigued (I think).
      I see Sue Ellen!Cersei is back in force and she is plotting. Good !

      ghost of winterfell,
      If Jaime did not have a problem with his father’s annihilating his enemies at Castamere or the Twins, it would be a tad hypocritical for him to oppose Cersei’s elimination of the Faith, wouldn’t it ?

      At this point, I believe the only thing that could make Jaime question his allegiance to his sister, aside from his affection for Brienne of course, is their power dynamics. Jaime always made himself believe Cersei needed him; being (allegedly) indispensable to her is what has given him purpose. He said as much to Edmure : “she needs me (…) and if I have to slaughter ever Tully who ever lived to get back to her, that’s what I’ll do”

      However, the explosion of the Sept proved him wrong. Cersei does not need him (and, even worse, she never has). She has always managed to get stuff done on her own, without her brother’s help, be it killing her oaf of a husband, raising their children or taking her revenge. I think Cersei kept her brother close for decades not because he was objectively necessary to her but because she viewed him as her “penis substitute” as dear ol’ Sigmund would say : he was the male heir she wished she had been born as.

      But now that she has revendicated her status as the head of House Lannister, now that she owns the brain-dead Mountain, the crown and the Iron Throne (the ultimate trifecta of penis substitutes ^^), Jaime is at best ornemental to her, I believe.
      If / when he realises it, that may be what pushes him over the edge.

      Furthermore, we probably have to take into account the fact that, for the moment, Jaime is a bit stuck. Even if he decided to leave Cersei’s side, where would he go ? Whom would he join ?
      Daenerys’s camp ? With the Sands who murdered his daughter and Tyrion who murdered their father ?
      The Starks ? Sure, he would then be with Brienne which is a big selling point but… The Starks, really ? After he pushed Bran out of the window ? After the Direwolves treated him appalingly when he was their POW ? After Sansa killed his son (I know she did not really do it, but as of right now, Jaime has every reason to believe she might have) ?
      He does not have that many options…

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    23. Irina Stark,

      hahah….i must have missed it! (or forgotten). will look closely during my next rewatch…..Emilia is great at playing Daenerys’ especially her emotional scenes, I think she’ll nail it.

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    24. Mel,

      come to think about it now, she was wearing pants in s1 when she ate that horse’s heart( if I remember correctly that is). LOL

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    25. ACME,

      Good point with Jaime finding no suitable team to join… but I think he will feel despised again and blame Cersei for losing his last child. It is enough for Jaime to free from her clutch. And it is about time!

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    26. HelloThere:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      I love Dany’s costume, but for some reason.. It just doesn’t seem tailored right to Emilia’s stature.She carries it well though.The scene where she arrives to Westeros is going to be very emotional.Can’t wait to hear Ramin’s score to it.

      Subdued color , sort of ‘Dutch Master’, is a signature of the show , but having Dany transition from light colors to dark has been odd, seemingly a cypher for something? I mean we get Black and Wine later in the season. She always wears her dragon-riding-boots-and-pants. We have no idea of her two battle outfits, especially the one North-of-the-Wall.

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    27. Looks to me like Jon is exiting the crypts after Petyrfinger pissed him off (which we saw in the trailer).

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    28. Boojam,

      I have always loved what dany wore in the HoTU scene in the show and it complemented her on the snow very well …looking forward to see how dany and Emilia dress up for the beyond north of the wall ..

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    29. King Beyond the Wall II,

      That’s right, the thing with her dothraki clothes is she wears the top and what looks like a half skirt that looks tattered underneath, then her pants and boots underneath that so in close up shots it can look just like a top and skirt but in long shots the pants are quite noticeable.

      Boojam,

      From what I’ve read from Michelle Clapton, she wears the dothraki clothes as her accepting their culture and becoming a Khalessi, she wears blue for the mourning of Drogo as they were his tribal markings like people wear black in mourning, she wore white to emphasize with the slaves at times her dresses were conected to collars and fit into their culture as a Queen, and slowly transitions into not quite black to for the first time to accept her Targaryen heritage, in S7 obviously we see Dany in black and red fully accepting her Targaryen heritage.

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    30. OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Jon.
      That direwolf on his outfit still gives me the feels.

      I am assuming that is Dany landing in Westeros. I CANNOT wait for that scene. She looks amazing. So gorgeous so happy her wig is more silvery again.

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    31. Mel:
      Aww, I love how much we are being fed lately. They all look gorgeous, I can’t wait.
      The way Dany touches and picks up the sand gives me massive Henry Tudor feels.

      There is also something of the legend (don’t know that it’s ever been proven as historic fact) that when William I “the Conqueror” invaded from Normandy he tripped on the English beach where he landed and took it to be a good omen.

      http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/medieval-england/hastings/ If anybody used the link you’ll need to scroll down to paragraph 6 in the linked article.

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    32. Shy Lady Dragon,
      I have no doubt you are completely right and he will, ultimately, switch team.

      However, if I may, on a very sidenote, in re. Cersei’s “clutches”…
      Jaime ain’t no victim ! He is a grown-arse man who has made his own bed. Repeatedly so. 😛

      Cersei does not have any magical power. She cannot force her brother to do anything, nor can she enthrall him into obedience. For most of his life, Jaime chose to remain by her side and that decision is his and his alone, I believe. We may find that hard to accept because we tend to have a highly negative opinion of his sister, unfairly so (to a degree) I would argue. Nevertheless, it is what it is.

      Tyrion might have been the one to provide the best explanation so far for this bizarre “addiction” : what does Jaime see in Cersei that attracts him to no end ? Himself.
      Bless ‘im but humility has never been Jaime’s strongsuit so he ends up falling for women who remind him of him, be it Cersei (his twin) or even Brienne, the talented, heroic and principled knight he believed he would become when he joined the Kingsguard. Jaime’s first romance probably involved his mirror 😉

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    33. Apollo:
      Meh- give us some juicier pics HBO!

      Oh Apollo, try not to be a downer and live up to your name and be shiny and sunny.

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    34. ACME,

      Certainly not a victim! But suffering from addiction, as you have pointed out. Jaime is not a very strong man (no matter how much I like him), Brienne has noticed that. Of course, losing a hand is a tragedy, but it also happened to be the first time when Jaime got “a taste of the real world”. And, being a human being who feeds from the other’s love, admiration and need for him (we all do, some of us more than the others) he is the very best person to stay in a toxic relationship. And to feel it’s his duty to save Cersei from herself or, even worse, from the people who would oppose her, no matter how right they might be. (Of course, I don’t mean the Faith Militant.) The things he does from love!

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    35. dragonbringer: That landing scene is sure going to be emotional and can’t wait to feel it in the screen with ramin’s OST and Emilia’s eyes..

      No doubt!! Readers have been waiting over two decades for her to return to Westeros. That’s longer than Daenerys is (suppose to be) old! It was hugely satisfying to finally see her set sail in the finale. It will be again to see her actually get there. She’s been a guest, a nomad and a conqueror her entire life and now she can finally have a home, if nothing else. Dragonstone IS her home; built by Valyrians and the seat of her ancestors for centuries. In some stories just reacquiring her home could be the end of the story. That isn’t the end of this story but it’s still a remarkable piece of it. I do not doubt that Djawadi will be able to pull out something fantastic to make the moment powerful. 🙂

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    36. Eavelyns:
      Are we going to guess at episode titles soon?

      Eavelyns,

      If memory serves, we usually don’t get the episode titles until 2 weeks or so before each episode airs, but I could be wrong about that. My memory is somewhat clogged with malted hops and bong resin, so if anyone remembers differently, please feel free to chime in.

      Either way, I’m all about guessing the titles until we get them. I think it’s fun.

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    37. Eavelyns,

      No, for a few reasons. The surveys are run by someone who isn’t a regular member of the staff, and additionally, the extensive leaks pretty much ruined the episode title guessing game this year because there is no way to present people’s guesses without it being massively full of spoilers. I mean the entire season was leaked. And it’s likely that the episode titles will be revealed any day now, considering how close we are to the premiere.

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    38. dragonbringer:

      I have to say very good move by writers.. When people are expecting Jon and dany at the westeros painted table ..they have given cersei and Jamie a painted westeros map

      Both might happen.

      King Beyond the Wall II,

      She had in season 3, sort of.

      Jenny,

      Smile is not in Jon’s vocabulary. The guy means business.

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    39. I would like the premieres name was westeros. Like the final game ia here, everyone now is here with dany landing. Dont know.

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    40. Aguero,

      I like that

      Spoiler Free And Leak Free Guesses:

      I am assuming that Dany arrives in Westeros in episode 1. I would have like to call it Home, but we already had that last year.

      So I am going to go with Westeros as well!

      I have noooooooo clue what the rest of the season is going to bring so its really hard to guess what the episode names will be.

      I will guess this, If Jon finds out his true parentage in season 7, the episode it occurs in will be called “A song of ice and fire” — whaaaaaaaaaaaaat HAHA

      And for the last episode of the season, within which I think the wall will fall, I will call it “Winter is here” OR “The Wall” OR a part of me wants to call it “A dream of spring” because, GRRMs last book, conclusion to the story is of the same name, and A dream of spring would be the episode right before the conclusion of the show.

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    41. Dee Stark,

      I think ‘Westeros’ is waaaaaay too vague for an season 7 episode 1, but ya never know.

      I agree that the last episode or the penultimate of the entire show will be called ‘A Dream of Spring’

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    42. Dee Stark:
      Mr Derp,

      hahaha, you think so? Why?

      What would you call it?

      Dee Stark,

      That’s a good question. I have no idea!

      I’ll try to think of some episode titles that don’t have that spoilery aftertaste.

      ‘Winter is Here’ could be a possibility for Season 7 episode 1.

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    43. Dee Stark: I am assuming that Dany arrives in Westeros in episode 1. I would have like to call it Home, but we already had that last year.

      In that sense I think a badass premiere episode title would be
      “Return of the Dragon”

      Yes, Return of the Dragon was the U.S. name for the Bruce Lee film The Way of the Dragon, but that makes it even cooler. 😛

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    44. Clob,

      Ouuu I like that!!!!!

      Mr Derp,

      Well, winter would be here when the WW arrive I think… so I cant see that being episode 1.. Although they did announce that “winter was here”

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    45. I honestly have no idea about the titles.I just wish they give them poetic quirky names and not just one word titles.I loved most of the titles last season apart from one or two.Remember when BoB was announced and people were so against it lol.Now it’s so ingrained in my mind I can’t imagine calling it anything else.I agree that it would be lovely for the last episode of the show to be called A dream of spring.Maybe the finale this year will be called a song of ice and fire just to give the nod to the series.

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    46. Clob,

      In Djawadi we trust

      My biggest worry for dany is she will not find the home she will be looking for in westeros…she may eventually realize that she will never have her house with red door ..dany’s vision of westeros and KL is that of lusty green and beautiful summer but it will be winter and snow all over …she may eventually end up Dreaming for spring to get that vision of her home back ..

      For episode 1 title
      I guess we can have ” Winter and Storm”..

      Or ” The Last ones ” which will be about Last Targaryen,Last of Starks and Lannisters

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    47. Jenny:
      I honestly have no idea about the titles.I just wish they give them poetic quirky names and not just one word titles.I loved most of the titles last season apart from one or two.Remember when BoB was announced and people were so against it lol.Now it’s so ingrained in my mind I can’t imagine calling it anything else.I agree that it would be lovely for the last episode of the show to be called A dream of spring.Maybe the finale this year will be called a song of ice and fire just to give the nod to the series.

      I predict the season 7 premiere episode name is “Father”

      Cersie had issues Tywin and doing what’s best for the Lannister family

      Jon’s just became King of the North because everyone thinks he is Ned Stark’s bastard son… he isn’t

      Daenery’s returns to where she was born and her Father was a infamous Targaryen King who was killed by the current Queen’s brother and her Hand’s Queen’s brother

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    48. Speaking about KiT and Jon not smiling enough ..if anyone can give run for the money to Jon it will be dany ..Jon smiled in WoW and dany I believe last smiled when she spoke to barristan about rhaegar( can’t remember after that ) and Emilia like kit have the most beautiful and loveliest smile ..
      Imagine if these two have a scene and laugh a bit …

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    49. offtopic Iam watching a series called Strike Back and I guess almost everyone from GOT will be in it ..i have already seen Liam and Ian Glen and Charles dance ..its so weird to see liam Cunningham play a baddie after seeing him play as Davos

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    50. dragonbringer,

      Oh yeah Emilia has such a beautiful smile and Dany doesn’t get to use it very much.I think she smiled a little bit with Tyrion in episode 10 but not a full blown smile you are right.At least Jon smiled a lot in season 6.

      And yeah them smiling together has to happen.I am pretty sure it will though.Flirting is synonymous with smiling after all lol.I bet Dany will smile in her scenes with Missandei too,after some girl talk.

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    51. Jenny,

      exactly iam particularly looking forward to the scenes where they are alone …like when we saw Jon coming down to speak with dany begire he departs and other such scenes..
      Yes i totally expect a girls talk between then knowing whats going to happen with Missworm this season

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    52. Jenny,

      Leaks.

      Girl talk? Dany and Missandei will talk about Grey Worm and their sex scene, not Jon. If anyone can make her smile, it’s Jon … but I expect Dany to be again made of ice. This is my biggest worry with Weiss and Benioff. Leaks said it, it’s pretty frosty at the beginning. Really not fan of this but still better than that mess with Sansa and Littlefinger. Imagine Jon in the midst of that drama.

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    53. ACME:
      If Jaime did not have a problem with his father’s annihilating his enemies at Castamere or the Twins, it would be a tad hypocritical for him to oppose Cersei’s elimination of the Faith, wouldn’t it ?

      I have to disagree with this logic on two counts.

      First of all, we have no idea whether Jaime “had a problem” with what his father did to the Castameres. We have no evidence one way or another, not to mention it happened when he was a child. As for the Red Wedding, it obviously did bother Jaime – the least you could say is that he felt it was extremely distasteful – hence his disgust towards the Freys.

      On the other point, we have evidence that Jaime was obivously horrified by what Aerys was planning to do which was almost identical to what Cersei actually did do. I do not think it would be hypocritical at all for “blows up a bunch of innocent people with wild fire” to be a red line for Jaime’s loyalty. I’m unspoiled so I don’t know what’s actually going to happen. But I’m going to hope for this moment that he just doesn’t know or is at least wrestling mightily within himself to see how obviously evil this act was / parallel to Aerys.

      At this point, I believe the only thing that could make Jaime question his allegiance to his sister, aside from his affection for Brienne of course, is their power dynamics. Jaime always made himself believe Cersei needed him; being (allegedly) indispensable to her is what has given him purpose. He said as much to Edmure : “she needs me (…) and if I have to slaughter ever Tully who ever lived to get back to her, that’s what I’ll do”

      I’m going to stand by my previous belief that Jaime was “showing Edmure the Kingslayer” there. Jaime was never serious in his threat to slaughter every Tully. He was desperate for Edmure to believe him, though, so he pulled upon the darkest parts of himself in that speech – the parts that he believes Edmure would think are his true self.

      However, the explosion of the Sept proved him wrong. Cersei does not need him (and, even worse, she never has).She has always managed to get stuff done on her own, without her brother’s help, be it killing her oaf of a husband, raising their children or taking her revenge. I think Cersei kept her brother close for decades not because he was objectively necessary to her but because she viewed him as her “penis substitute” as dear ol’ Sigmund would say : he was the male heir she wished she had been born as.

      I do think that there is some legitimacy beyond narcissism to Cersei’s feelings for Jaime. For example in the books she thinks about how she’s never enjoyed a lover other than Jaime. So there’s that at least. However I agree with you that she does not consider him “necessary” – nor did she ever. In fact she sent him to the Twins, I believe, specifically because he would be in the way of her plans if he remained in KL. Cersei has always believed herself to be Tywin’s True Heir and Jaime would be only a tool to that end. He’s also a possession she can hold over other women in Westeros that might have wanted to marry him (hence why she wanted him in the KG so badly).

      Anyway I agree generally with your sentiment – Jaime may have believed that they were equals and part of breaking with her probably will be that he realizes that she doesn’t see it that way at all.

      Furthermore, we probably have to take into account the fact that, for the moment, Jaime is a bit stuck. Even if he decided to leave Cersei’s side, where would he go ? Whom would he join ?
      Daenerys’s camp ? With the Sands who murdered his daughter and Tyrion who murdered their father ?
      The Starks ? Sure, he would then be with Brienne which is a big selling point but… The Starks, really ? After he pushed Bran out of the window ? After the Direwolves treated him appalingly when he was their POW ? After Sansa killed his son (I know she did not really do it, but as of right now, Jaime has every reason to believe she might have) ?
      He does not have that many options…

      Agree with all this. I think Tyrion will be his escape, or possibly Brienne.

      Possibly:
      1) Jaime meets with Tyrion / Daenerys and is convinced to turn
      2) Jaime is captured during battle with Tyrion / Daenerys and Tyrion convinces Dany to pardon him or keep him around long enough to prove himself
      3) Jaime says “fk it” and goes north, throws himself at the Stark’s feet, Brienne convinces Sansa to let him take the black instead of being executed. Not sure whether LF would be involved.

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    54. Geralt of Rivia,

      Leaks

      Yeah I know they talk about Missandei and Grey Worm but she can smile about that too and who knows maybe they mention Jon.I know Tyrion apparently comments on it.And I honestly wouldn’t worry too much.That is just the beginning,they will have lots of scenes for that to change.I think Dany will be the least frosty this season tbh.Arriving home,reuniting with Jorah,loosing Viserion and the sex scene.Plenty of emotion there.The last scene should feel inevitable so we should get the journey to that point.I mean otoh it’s not like Jon is the most open of fellas so I wouldn’t worry too much about Danny being icey lol.

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    55. My favorite picture is the one of Daenerys touching the ground; back in Westerns for the first time since she was a baby. She looks so emotional there!

      I am so, so-so tired of Cersei. To me, one of the good things or GoT coming to an end will be: NO MORE Cersei!!! 😀

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    56. Kay: I am so, so-so tired of Cersei. To me, one of the good things or GoT coming to an end will be: NO MORE Cersei!!!

      As am I… I will be sad to see Lena go, but im sick of Cersei.

      Im soooooooooooo curious to see if she makes it past season 7 #nospoilers

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    57. Dee Stark: As am I… I will be sad to see Lena go, but im sick of Cersei.

      Im soooooooooooo curious to see if she makes it past season 7 #nospoilers

      With my luck, Cersei will be around till the series finale of GoT. Honestly, she has become very much a mustache-twirling villain for me, and has been draining my enjoyment of GoT for a while now. Oh well. 🙁

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    58. Mr Derp,

      My memory is somewhat clogged with malted hops and bong resin, so if anyone remembers differently, please feel free to chime in.

      LMAOOO!!!

      In all seriousness, malted hops and bong resin would probably be better for my person than the exponentially heightened consumption of whiskey that has occurred since November 8.

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    59. Kay,

      She hasn’t affected my enjoyment of the show, I mean, really, what has (to me)… lol.

      But I hope not , for your sake 🙁

      Mr Derp,

      hahaha yes I miss her long hair, but I love jons new hair. swooon

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    60. Kay,

      No offense but to call Cersei a mustache twirling villain when we’ve had characters like Ramsay or Joffrey in the series(not that i’ve not enjoyed them for what they were) imo is a disrespect for Lena Headey’s perfomance throught all six seasons now . One of the best things from last season’s finale was her whole performance .

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    61. Cersei will die of cirrhosis before anyone has the chance to strangle her.

      I love Dany’s outfit in the second photo, wow!!!

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    62. Hoping the titles will be along the lines of
      1. YAASSSSSS! It’s back!
      2. Hit the ground running, hasn’t stopped yet!
      3. Blimey!
      4. Shorter but still frickin’ awesome!
      5. Bloody hell!
      6. Oh. My. Gawd!
      7. ^£@^$£&*$!!!!!!!!

      Sounds like a few of them could be potentials for what in earlier series were the episode 9s. Doesn’t seem like we’ll get much of a lull in the “woah, this is great!” stuff 😀

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    63. Pigeon:
      Cersei will die of cirrhosis before anyone has the chance to strangle her.

      I love Dany’s outfit in the second photo, wow!!!

      Pigeon,

      I’m kind of neutral on Dany’s outfits this season, but I’ll ultimately wait until I see them during the flow of an episode before knowing for sure how I feel. Right now I think they just kind of look stuffy and a little too busy for my taste. Of course YMMV 🙂

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    64. Maybe they need to do a spinoff show about the person that crafts all of Daenerys’ jewelry – necklaces, pins and things. 😛 I mean seriously, who is supposedly making all of this stuff for her? She/he has some talent!

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    65. BunBunStark,
      Why thank you 😀 Hopefully they prove accurate *crosses fingers, toes, eyes and anything else I can manage*. Although we have fewer episodes, less could well more, as they say.

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    66. Lulus Mum,

      Decided: every time when something happening in GOT will be too much to bear I’ll say “Blimey!” and have a good laugh, thinking at your titles!

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    67. Mel,

      And total Kevin Costner homecoming in “Robin Hood – Prince of Thieves” … goose bumps all over! Can’t wait 🙂

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    68. Chuck:

      I bet most of them make it to season 8 and then start dropping like crazy. 6 episodes left in season 8? Will be a bloodbath….

      Agree – if they kill of recurring characters at the same rate as they did in season six, there will hardly be anyone left we recognize in season eight!

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    69. I feel as though King Jon is looking at a group of men from the Nights Watch, but does not know what they are dragging in a sled.

      Emilia is hot!

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    70. Shy Lady Dragon,
      I agree wholeheartedly with pretty much everything you wrote and may have overreacted (terribly sorry about that) when I read the word “clutches”.

      Jaime prefers to think of his relationship with his sister as fundamentally ancillary, often describing himself as something akin to her faithful servant. However, I believe the story itself contradicts him on numerous occasions, proving him to have much more agency than he likes to claim. This, to me, would indicate that Jaime views himself as Cersei’s subaltern not simply because he loves her but also, and perhaps mostly, because it allows him not to take full responsibility for his own (mis)deeds. When caught, he blames love ie. Cersei.

      In and of itself, it is not a problem at all. Quite to the contrary, it adds an interesting layer to Jaime’s psychology. However, when observing him in context, I believe we perhaps should not go too “native” and take his word at face value. Because, when it comes to Jaime, the least objective source of information is Jaime himself (of course, it is true for all the characters… and all of us as well). ^^
      Jaime likes to think he is under Cersei’s spell ? Ok, that’s fascinating.
      Is he really ? Hmm… 😉

      QueenofThrones,
      I think I am both less forgiving of Jaime than you are and more forgiving of Cersei than you are… Maybe I am just pathologically inclined to forgive villains ! 😛

      You are absolutely correct : Jaime has never expressed either approval or disapproval in regards to his father’s deeds at Castamere and the Twins. However, he continued to serve House Lannister in general and Tywin in particular long after he became aware of those events. So, even if he thought them distateful or “wrong”, they never bothered him enough to make him withdraw his committed support from his father.

      In regards to the Freys, once again, you are undeniably right when you state that Jaime despises them. I, for one, would be tempted to believe that his disdain stems mostly from the overall “despicability” of the family’s patriarch. Everyone in Westeros despises Walder; as a matter of fact, everyone in Westeros despised Walder long before the Red Wedding. Because he is the infamously “late” Walder Frey. ^^
      If Jaime feels contempt towards the Freys as a result of their involvement in the Stark massacre, then he should be even more contemptuous towards Tywin, the architect of said massacre. I do not think he ever was or is.

      As for Cersei’s “explosive” treatment of the Faith, I am afraid I cannot agree that it was in any way similar to what the Mad King intended to do. Aerys wanted to blow up the whole of King’s Landing (Red Keep included) so the intensity of the flames would turn him into a dragon… That was, indeed, quite mad.

      Cersei, on the other hand, targeted her attack quite precisely and rationally. Very much like Tywin did at Castamere and the Twins, she waited for her enemies to gather in one place and then, she wrecked the place. She did not blow up “innocents”, she blew up people who had every intention to judge and execute her.
      Now, one may very rightly say that there was “collateral damage”. Indeed, the houses near the Sept did not quite resist the blast and some poor bloke got smashed by a bell. But the people who lived in these houses were very probably among those who gleefully harassed Cersei during her Walk of Atonement. That, of course, does not justify their deaths at all however, if we think in terms of “moral merit” (whatever that may mean), they were more “deserving”, so to speak, of Cersei’s wrath than the Reynes children or Robb’s unborn baby ever were of Tywin’s.

      So I am afraid I have to stick by my previous opinion : if Jaime continued to serve his father faithfully after the Red Wedding, it would be a tad hypocritical for him to turn his back on his sister after the Sept. Her use of wildfire does not make her actions similar to the Mad King’s; if anything, I believe it serves as a symbolic counterpoint to Tywin’s use of water against the Reynes. The Old Lion drowned his enemies, the Lioness burnt hers.

      I’m going to stand by my previous belief that Jaime was “showing Edmure the Kingslayer” there.Jaime was never serious in his threat to slaughter every Tully.He was desperate for Edmure to believe him

      I would be tempted to agree with you on this one. However, whether Jaime meant every single threat he made or not is, in this instance, irrelevant I believe. What matters is his desperation and the reason behind it.

      As you very rightly say, he was desperate for the Riverrun siege to come to an end so he could get the hell out of the Riverlands. Because he wanted to go back to Cersei as soon as possible, driven by the belief that she needed him to rescue her. Which she demonstrably did not.
      That, more than many other things, may drive a wedge between them, I think.

      I think Tyrion will be his escape, or possibly Brienne.

      That is a very plausible scenario indeed, Tyrion and Brienne being the only two people (aside from Cersei) whose opinions matter to Jaime.

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    71. The costume work on Dany’s second picture is amazing …
      I don’t think that photo will be from episode 1. .infact this may very well be the scene where

      jon walks down to dany and have a chat before he goes

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    72. Dee Stark:
      OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG Jon.
      That direwolf on his outfit still gives me the feels.

      Seeing Jon with that wolf skin over his shoulders reminds me of a fox fur my mum used to wear when I was a kid. Such items of clothing I guess were fashionable back in the 1950’s, but not these days – Thank God!

      I love foxes and was totally in agreement when fox hunting as a sport was banned in the UK a few years ago.

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    73. Gucci Robert:
      Kay,

      No offense but to call Cersei a mustache twirling villain when we’ve had characters like Ramsay or Joffrey in the series(not that i’ve not enjoyed them for what they were) imo is a disrespect for Lena Headey’s perfomance throught all six seasons now . One of the best things from last season’s finale was her whole performance .

      I did state that it was MY opinion that I am tired of Cersei, and at times, she comes across as a mustache twirling villain to me. I stated nothing of Lena Heady’s performance. It’s the character who I find to be lacking. As for respect? I am certain that the legions of Cersei-worshipping fans more than make up for a small amount of disrespect towards Cersei from me. 😉

      On another topic: LEAK SPOILERS

      Jaime will cause Lady Olenna to kill herself. That will further diminish Jaime for me, after his sister/lover wiped away Olenna’s entire family. Meaning he was still her faithful hound even at that late stage.

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    74. dragonbringer,

      I thought the same initially, but isn’t her hair down in that footage? More like we see her hair in the very first season 7 promo they released of her?

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    75. Jenny,

      Leaks.

      Tyrion comments on what? I might’ve missed that because in the leaks he has crush on her and Cersei comments on tha. Something about Tyrion his love for foreign whores. Advises Dany against attack on King’s Landing, for attack on Casterly Rock and talks with Jon about their journeys.

      What I’m afraid of is that Dany will again be ice Queen and showing very little of emotions. Emilia is good at it. This picture of her right there, the new one seems from later episodes because this is not the same one like in the trailer or in the photos. That means it’s like ep. 4 or 5 and that is alarming again as Ice Queen.

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    76. Geralt of Rivia,

      I don’t know what leaks you read but those aren’t the same type of leaks that i read .

      I don’t know anything about Tyrion having a crush on Dany or Cersei saying anything about it,in fact there is barely any dialogue in the leaks .

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    77. Geralt of Rivia,

      I don’t know why you are so worried, Dany when she is in political situations and talking with people she doesn’t know or trust will hide her emotions as when she was too open and trusting in S1 and S2 she got betrayed and manipulated too easily so she hides her emotions to protect herself. However I believe this season she will have emotional moments privately with a couple of people, people she already knows and trusts and people she gets to know and trust. Publicly I doubt she will express herself but privately is when we’ll get her emotions.

      In the picture just released she is in queen/political mode, in the trailer when she touches the sand she has a Much softer expression, in the promo picture we got of Dany first in the throne room in black and a red cape to me that looks like it’s also a much softer expression, like she was either worried or shocked. I doubt they are gonna release a picture of her crying however, so if you wanna see that you’ll have to wait for all the episodes.

      Jenny,

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    78. Geralt of Rivia,

      Leaks

      Tyrion comments on her liking Jon I think.And he doesn’t have a crush on Dany he just admires her.Cersei if full of it.Of course she is gonna spew bullshit lol doesn’t mean it’s true.And she doesn’t look particularly icey in that picture.It’s just her face.Not to mention it’s just a picture,a fraction of a moment that isn’t even taken during a scene.They rarely are.

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    79. For episode 1 title
      I guess we can have ” Winter and Storm”..

      I thought it was called “Three Thrones”?

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    80. Bran is completely absent from the trailers and pictures so far, isn’t he ? (except the EW cover).

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    81. ACME: As for Cersei’s “explosive” treatment of the Faith, I am afraid I cannot agree that it was in any way similar to what the Mad King intended to do. Aerys wanted to blow up the whole of King’s Landing (Red Keep included) so the intensity of the flames would turn him into a dragon… That was, indeed, quite mad.

      Cersei, on the other hand, targeted her attack quite precisely and rationally. Very much like Tywin did at Castamere and the Twins, she waited for her enemies to gather in one place and then, she wrecked the place. She did not blow up “innocents”, she blew up people who had every intention to judge and execute her.
      Now, one may very rightly say that there was “collateral damage”. Indeed, the

      Thank you. IMHO, that is exactly the case. That scene between Jaime and Cersei after Tommen banished Jaime from Kings Landing, ordering him to retake Riverrun, says everything about their relationship. “He has stolen our son!” Jaime rages about the Sparrow. “Without you, all of this is for nothing,” Cersei once again clearly declares her love and need for Jaime. Watch that scene again: they both vow to destroy their enemies.

      Jaime won’t be angry at her for destroying the Sept. On the contrary, he will admire her for destroying their enemies, as they declared they would. Everyone in that Sept was there to condemn, denounce and deride Cersei. He was ready to kill the HS himself; he’ll be glad she made light and thorough work of it.

      As for Tommen, just as Cersei blamed Myrcella’s death on Karma, so will Jaime see Tommen’s dive out the window as payback for Bran. He won’t become disenchanted with her because of anything she did in Kings Landing while he was gone. That isn’t to say I believe he will stay eternally with her. I don’t know what it will be that will finally move him to leave her – maybe she seriously entertains the idea of making use of Euron’s big navy and “big c**k.” But I think he finally will leave and go to find salvation – maybe up North. But not because she blew up the Sept.

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    82. Thronetender,

      so will Jaime see Tommen’s dive out the window as payback for Bran.

      Huh, I hadn’t thought of that connection. Not sure if it means anything but he could be thinking that. Another interesting connection between characters that I I noticed last night while watching ‘Mothers Mercy’ – Mandy replies to Sansa’s ‘Id rather die with all my parts’ “Die? Oh, you aren’t going to die yet.” Sounds a lot like a certain queen to a certain septa the following season. Shame, shame……

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    83. Carole H,
      Glad you liked ’em 😀 I’m going to adapt my girl Shy Lady Dragon’s idea and score each episode on the number of blimeys. (For those who don’t know the word, it’s a mild exclamation of surprise/shock and not remotely rude.)

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    84. Lulus Mum,

      Core blimey says I.
      Off topic have you seen Sean Bean in Broken and this week’s episode included Mark Stanley (GREN). Gritty northern drama from the brilliant Jimmy McGovern . Not many laughs but we’ll written and acted.

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    85. Carole H,

      I watch Broken especially for Beannie. Gritty indeed, but when he was singing Chattanooga Choo Choo I could not stop laughing! For those who do not watch, he plays a Catholic priest.

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    86. Shy Lady Dragon,

      There are quite a few dramas on now and near future that are staring actors from GOT and I look forward to Kit Harrington in Gunpowder later in the year. Hopefully his luscious locks will be set free in that one.

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    87. Carole H,

      I have watched The White Princess and now I am watching The White Queen (although chronologically I should have done viceversa). I could not recognize the actor who had played Craster, even if he looks the same, but as the queen’s father he is so kind and devoted to his family.

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    88. As much as I like Brienne’s tough love pep talk, she knew very little about Jaime’s like at that point. She knew a caricature, the Kingslayer, rather than the real Jaime. I think he got more than a taste of the real world when he was appointed to what was supposed to be an order of noble Knights only to listen the king raping his wife and watch him become madder and madder and burn people alive. Also by realising how it’s impossible to keep all your vows in every circumstance, killing your king to save half a million people and then being vilified for the rest of his life for doing a good thing. Not to mention lose a parent in a very young age. He had had more than his share of tragedies, losing his sword hand was just the latest once that made him question his identity.

      Shy Lady Dragon:
      ACME,

      Certainly not a victim! But suffering from addiction, as you have pointed out. Jaime is not a very strong man (no matter how much I like him), Brienne has noticed that. Of course, losing a hand is a tragedy, but it also happened to be the first time when Jaime got “a taste of the real world”. And, being a human being who feeds from the other’s love, admiration and need for him (we all do, some of us more than the others) he is the very best person to stay in a toxic relationship. And to feel it’s his duty to save Cersei from herself or, even worse, from the people who would oppose her, no matter how right they might be. (Of course, I don’t mean the Faith Militant.) The things he does from love!

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    89. ash: Mandy replies to Sansa’s ‘Id rather die with all my parts’ “Die? Oh, you aren’t going to die yet.” Sounds a lot like a certain queen to a certain septa the following season. Shame, shame……

      Good catch – and Myranda ended up a squished mess in the courtyard. Hmm .. could that be Cersei’s ultimate fate? Probably not, but chances are good that she’ll be a drunken mess in the courtyard when everyone finally deserts her.

      A bit off topic, but regarding the quote from Myranda, it told of conversations that she and Ramsay had about Sansa’s ultimate fate. On top of all his other atrocities toward Sansa, he had the nerve to chortle with Myranda about future horrific damage he was going to do Sansa. That’s part of what made HIS ultimate fate so satisfying, and a reason I didn’t think less of Sansa for being happy about it.

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    90. Shy Lady Dragon,

      There are quite a few dramas on now and near future that are staring actors from GOT and I look forward to Kit Harrington in Gunpowder later in the year. Hopefully his luscious locks will be set free in that one.

      Apologies to Mr Harington not Harrington just in case he’s looking!

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    91. Thronetender,

      Someone on here a while ago, sorry I can’t remember who, explained how it always seems that the murderer dies the same way as they murdered ie Ramsey Bolton, Roose Bolton etc. I thought it was a valid point and I am sure some will disagree and show examples but I live in hope Littlefinger will go flying through the Moondoor.

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    92. Lulus Mum:
      Carole H,
      Glad you liked ’em I’m going to adapt my girl Shy Lady Dragon’s idea and score each episode on the number of blimeys. (For those who don’t know the word, it’s a mild exclamation of surprise/shock and not remotely rude.)

      I think it comes from “God blind me” corrupted to “Cor blimey” – I went to religious schools and we were told not to use it because it was thought to whiff of blasphemy, but Lulu’s Mum is right that in modern English it is not considered a bad word.

      I have also heard – and may have been known to say it myself when I am annoyed and frustrated about something – like when looking for something and can’t find it – the expression “Blind oh flaming Reilley”, but I think that is old-fashioned now. Don’t think many of the young trendies – or even young untrendies – say it.

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    93. Huh, am I the only one who envisioned Daeny wearing sunglasses and chomping on a corncob pipe will declaring “I have returned” in Valyrian when first hitting the beach?

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    94. firstone: Jon’s just became King of the North because everyone thinks he is Ned Stark’s bastard son… he isn’t

      Not quite. Being Ned’s son got his foot in the door, but Jon’s valor during the Battle is what did it. In the weeks between the battle and everyone getting to Winterfell, Jon probably had single-handedly cut down half of the Bolton forces before the troops caught up to him!

      Corbyn Stark: I thought it was called “Three Thrones”?

      Most of us will just call it “Finally Back.”

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    95. Thronetender: aime won’t be angry at her for destroying the Sept. On the contrary, he will admire her for destroying their enemies, as they declared they would.

      Perhaps. However, Jaime is tactically much more savvy than Cersei. Um, OK, wait: so is a frog. Let me rephrase that. Jaime is not tactically clueless. And I do not think that Jaime believes the Lannister propaganda, either: he knows that the Lannisters are a power, but he also knows that they are not the power. Cersei never has been able to figure that out.

      Right, point! (From which I seem to have become seriously sidetracked.) ((It’s one of those days.)) (((Oh, look, a bird!!!)))

      Sorry! What might greatly upset Jaime is that Cersei just declared war on the Tyrells. I suspect that in Cersei’s nontactical mind, the Tyrell’s many vassals will now flock to her: after all, she just crushed their masters, right? Jaime will probably fear that many of them will ally with the Tyrells and thus with Daenerys, and that others will simply sit on their hands. He might recognize that Cersei just seriously weakened the Lannisters rather than strengthened them. Because, it is not just that Cersei fails to grasp the difference between tactics and strategy: she fails to grasp what either of them really are.

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    96. Anyone else feel we will get the episode 1 title this coming week and the 2nd trailer cannot be too far away either now (I’d guess a week or two).

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    97. Thronetender,

      Oh duh….Myranda, not Mandy. Yeah, I really had no problem with Sansa’s smile. Does that make me evil and vengeful? No – it makes me be a fan of a fictional story when the fictional victim gives the fictional villian his comeupance. Karma is a bitch.

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    98. Shy Lady Dragon,
      Staggeringly true. And beautifully put 🙂

      Wolfish
      Carole H,
      Littefinger’s manner of death is a tough one to predict… I have a soft spot for the Moon Door for purely esthetic and symbolic reasons (the mockingbird leaving his perch and “flying” away).

      However, if we go for poetic justice and karmic irony, there are technically four people whose deaths we know Baelish is directly responsible for : Jon Arryn, Joffrey, Dontos and Lysa. So that would be one pushed down the Moon Door, one shot with arrows and two poisoned by women they knew… I’ll choose door number 3 ^^

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    99. Wimsey,
      Is Jaime really that great a tactical mind ? Do not get me wrong, I think he is much more intelligent than he is usually given credit for, due to his brand of intellect being less showy than that of his brother or father, but he is hardly a towering strategist, I believe.

      Cersei’s mind, however allegedly nontactical, may have come to the right conclusion about the Tyrells. The Roses are now, for all intents and purposes, dead. Lady Olenna is still around, of course, but she is not technically a Tyrell (née Redwyne) and she is not going to remarry and have children (“when the non-existent bumps into the decrepit” 🙂 ). Furthermore, her bank account may not be as “in the black” as she believes it to be. As such, the other Houses of the Reach have very little incentive to listen to her…
      That is not to say, obviously, that none of the region’s noble families will want to side with Daenerys, regardless of any allegiance to Olenna. I am certain many will, either out of loyalty to the Targaryens or sympathy for the Mother of Dragons herself or political ambition (help Daenerys = get chosen as the Tyrells’ replacement).

      Nevertheless many other Houses may choose to side with Cersei precisely because she “deadheaded the rose”. House Tyrell is not that popular in the Reach, I believe. Quite a few older, more “ancestral”, families tend to view them as a bunch of nouveaux riches, a clan of upstarters who got ahead by kissing Aegon’s southern hemisphere. House Hightower, House Florent… Would they really mind that Cersei blew their Warden to smithereens ? I am not entirely convinced.

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    100. ACME: Is Jaime really that great a tactical mind ? Do not get me wrong, I think he is much more intelligent than he is usually given credit for, due to his brand of intellect being less showy than that of his brother or father, but he is hardly a towering strategist, I believe.

      Towering? Perhaps not. However, he’s not clueless!

      As for the Tyrells, Olenna’s descendants are dead. However, their cousins (whoever they are) will be alive and well, and their bannermen are still out there. I would bet that they probably are the forces with Daenerys.

      As for the Tyrells being viewed as “new money,” I do not think that we have seen any evidence of that. If nothing else, then it seems that the merchant classes and their descendants have surnames giving that away. The Spicer family is the most obvious example that I can remember, but I think that we read about others around the Vale. I don’t think that we’ve seen any examples of “merchant princes” becoming actual lords in Westeros (a la 19th century English capitalists).

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    101. Wimsey: Sorry! What might greatly upset Jaime is that Cersei just declared war on the Tyrells. I suspect that in Cersei’s nontactical mind, the Tyrell’s many vassals will now flock to her: after all, she just crushed their masters, right?

      Yes, I can see how Jaime might be annoyed at her use of wildfire, but the point I was making that annoyance at her thorough methods of taking down the HS, his minions and all their loyal followers will not equate to the disgust with her that some felt would be the reason he would leave her. He won’t be disgusted. Nor do I feel he had any great love for the Tyrells. Maybe a mild affection for Margaery as Tommen’s wife, but certainly he wouldn’t personally mourn Olenna. She was downright rude and dismissive to both him and Cersei when they tried to attend that small council meeting.

      I get your point that he might be mildly concerned from a tactical standpoint, but we’ve already seen in the preview that she talks her way out of that: That great big map means she is at least trying to think more carefully. Enemies to the North, to the East to the South, etc. We will overcome them all, we are the last Lannisters, blah blah. So, no, her antics with the wildfire will not be the tipping point.

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    102. ACME: Nevertheless many other Houses may choose to side with Cersei precisely because she “deadheaded the rose”. House Tyrell is not that popular in the Reach, I believe.

      When they first mentiobsdrned Old Man Tarley as such a wonderful leader for the Tyrells, I thought that he would try to overthrow the Tyrells himself, or even make a play for the Throne.

      but based on rumors about the battle, and what has been published already on this site about the fates of Tarley and Dickon, obviously that’s not happening. Kind of sad about Dickon, he might have been a worthy suitor for Sansa.

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    103. Are people really, seriously liking Dany’s wig here? I think it’s her worst ever – far more fake-looking than the one on Sansa that people keep complaining about. In the second photo in particular, it looks like it’s made out of horsehair, or some sort of really dry, coarse plant fiber.

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    104. ACME: However, if we go for poetic justice and karmic irony, there are technically four people whose deaths we know Baelish is directly responsible for : Jon Arryn, Joffrey, Dontos and Lysa.

      Jon Arryn and Joffrey were the direct result of him conspiring their deaths with someone else. Add to that the conspiring he did against Ned, and the conspiring he did with Roose regarding Sansa, and the coils of his ultimate Karma might be exposed. Most certainly someone must conspire about his fate, which results in his death.

      let’s hope it is Sansa and Arya who put their heads together to develop a plan to smash him.

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    105. Wimsey,
      Oh Jaime is indeed very far from clueless ! I agree.

      In regards to the Tyrells’ standing in the Reach, I did not mean to imply that they were perceived as “bourgeois”. They undoubtedly are aristocratic by birth. Nevertheless, I believe it is fairly well established that the Florents resent the Tyrells being chosen as Warden of the South, due to the roses being a more “recent” noble family than the foxes. Furthermore, as the Tyrells are descendants of the Gardeners solely via the female line, quite a few families (Florent, Oakheart, etc.) in the Reach revendicate a lineage going back all the way to Garth Greenhand, thereby implying their potential claim over the region is more legitimate than the Tyrells.

      As for House Hightower, they are not only richer than the Tyrells but also the main patrons and advocates of the Citadel. It so happens that the maesters’ relationship with anything “supernatural”, including dragons, is at best conflictual, at worst downright oppositional. I am not certain they would view the return of the fire-breathing creatures with a kind eye; and if the maesters are unhappy, the Hightowers may follow in their footsteps.

      Wimsey: Towering?Perhaps
      I don’t think that we’ve seen any examples of “merchant princes” becoming actual lords in Westeros (a la 19th century English capitalists).

      Well, there is Lord Baelish…

      Funnily enough, if we look at him through the prism of a tectonic shift in the balance of power between aristocracy and bourgeoisie, his entire scheme becomes a delightfully baroque one-man French Revolution. ^^

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    106. Firannion: it looks like it’s made out of horsehair, or some sort of really dry, coarse plant fiber.

      LOL, I had no quarrel with the texture, but in the pic of her with the sand, the wig looks off-center somehow.

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    107. Thronetender,
      Littlefinger conspired with Cersei to have Ned arrested but I do not think we have any proof he had a hand in the Stark patriarch’s beheading. Joffrey’s decision to execute Ned took even Cersei by surprise and I doubt Baelish had a better line of communication with the child sociopath than his mother.
      As for Sansa, I seem to recall the writers confirmed Littlefinger genuinely did not know Ramsay was dangerous. So I have to conclude he did not willingly put her in harm’s way.

      Let’s not be coy, Littlefinger is bad juju ! Bad and naughty juju. But we shall resist the temptation to blame him for things he did not do. There are more than enough things he did do not to have to 😉

      PS I just remembered a fifth person whose death Baelish is directly responsible for : Ros. So, that’s one more person shot with arrows.

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    108. Firannion,

      Yes people love her wig, it’s much closer to the color it’s meant to be, there is no extreme yellow tones like their has been in other seasons. It is most definitely better than Sansa’s wig, one of her best yet. I think what you mean however is the front bits. From when they were filming that location she is in both those pictures above, it looked really windy so I think to stop her hair from dropping the curls which wind does they put a shit load of hairspray into the front bits to hold the curls in place but if you put too much hairspray in it makes your hair quite hard and it’s not a attractive look because you can tell. So I definitely think this was the case in both instances above, Because in previous seasons Emilia filmed in drier countries it wasn’t necessary to put so much hairspray in the front but in windy locations for S7 it is, they would of been better off with just slightly wavy front pieces than curled. I imagine in indoor scenes her hair will look better at the front like that first bunch of Promotional pictures in the dragonstone throne room Dany has most of her hair down and is in red and black, her hair looks perfect there, it also looks amazing in the long walk promo when she’s walking inside Dragonstone.

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    109. Thronetender,
      Tarly attempting to get the Iron Throne for himself may be a bit too ambitious but I agree with you, there is a reason why the writers introduced us to Sam’s family and it is probably not simply to illustrate how terrible a father Randyll is.

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    110. ACME: But we shall resist the temptation to blame him for things he did not do

      Oh drat, you are right, he wasn’t directly responsible for Ned’s death, but if he hadn’t convinced crazy Lysa to poison Jon Arryn, Ned wouldn’t have had to go south, neither would Catelyn, nor would Robb have had to avenge Ned. Sigh, it’s just that he put so many dastardly deeds into play, and was so oafishly giddy about the results, like with Ros’s death, that it’s fun to blame him. Yeah, I’d accept seeing him full of arrows, the way Ros ended up.

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    111. ACME: but I agree with you, there is a reason why the writers introduced us to Sam’s family and it is probably not simply to illustrate how terrible a father Randyll is.

      Maybe to show us what a wonderful grandmother Melessa would be? I loved that scene when she first sees little Sam and he reaches for her.

      I should have taken the time to look up the proper spelling of the names in the first place. I couldn’t remember if it was Tarley or Tarly, (it’s Tarly, I used the wrong spelling) It’s just that I thought such a strong, strongly written, and wonderfully played character as old Randyll must certainly have a greater role in the story.

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    112. Firannion,

      Dany’s best wig was in season one. Her later wigs look like she’s going to prom. The worst wigs on the show though are Margaery’s season 6 wig and Bran’s season 4 wig.

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    113. I love how people talk about the wigs like the average viewer really gives a crap about details like that,hell most of the people didn’t even know that Emilia Clarke’s real hair is brown so i think that speaks more about the wigs quality than some pseudo internet experts that have taken their PhD in wig speciality .

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    114. Firannion,

      Are people really, seriously liking Dany’s wig here?I think it’s her worst ever – far more fake-looking than the one on Sansa that people keep complaining about. In the second photo in particular, it looks like it’s made out of horsehair, or some sort of really dry, coarse plant fiber.

      Given that in the book her hair was all burned off when the dragons were hatched, it actually might have been fitting for her to have had a horsehair wig! 😛

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    115. Wolfish: Given that in the book her hair was all burned off when the dragons were hatched, it actually might have been fitting for her to have had a horsehair wig!

      …and during the “dragon dance” at Daznak’s Pit. I would have quite enjoyed the bald look for a while. 🙂

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    116. Hodors Bastard,

      I’d forgotten about that!!!

      I have mixed feelings about some of the things that have been toned down. Not the violence (the show is violent enough!), but I find certain other elements compelling.

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    117. Gucci Robert:
      I love how people talk about the wigs like the average viewer really gives a crap about details like that,hell most of the people didn’t even know that Emilia Clarke’s real hair is brown so i think that speaks more about the wigs quality than some pseudo internet experts that have taken their PhD in wig speciality .

      hahha. True.

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    118. MoF,

      Lol, I’m glad I’m not the only one wondering how they will have him at her side then suddenly turn on her in 7 episodes.

      ACME,

      No Cersei isn’t tactically smart at all. The books go out of their way to make that point. But even in the show, she makes an enemy out of the Reach where there was none.

      Thronetender,

      Not sure what the show will do to send Jamie away now. In the books it’s Tyrion telling Jamie how unfaithful she was to him when Jamie frees Tyrion from the black cells. Perhaps with Tyrion back in Weateros they have a long waited conversation about how she was shagging Lancel while he was in captivity?

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    119. Thronetender: it’s fun to blame him. .

      Ha ha ! I agree wholeheartedly.

      Littlefinger did get the ball rolling; he is at the very root of the War of the Five Kings. And the beauty of it is that he did not even have to do that much : simply convince a woman to kill the 80-year-old man to whom she had been forcibly married as a teen even though he was old enough to be her grandfather (I doubt it took much effort) and have her blame it on the Lannisters. After that initial push, the dominoes fell the ones after the others almost mechanically, all Houses dragging one another further down the pit through their own agency.

      Hodors Bastard,
      I am somewhat sorry the show never embraced Daenerys’s bald look from the books. Not only does Emilia Clarke have a more than beautiful enough face to carry the look, it would also show the price of the character’s “otherwordliness”. She can survive among the flames but she loses something of herself every time she does so.

      WallyFrench,
      I might be overly pessimistic here but I would say that, given the parting words Lady Olenna and Cersei shared when the former left King’s Landing (“I wonder if you are the worst person I have ever met. At a certain age it’s hard to recall, but the truly vile do stand out through the years”), the Tyrells were the Lioness’s enemies long before the explosion of the Sept.

      Also, it is probably to be noted that Cersei, unknowingly, avenged her eldest son’s death by decimating Lady Olenna’s family. The Queen of Thorns may like to believe she is morally superior to Cersei but she made a mother watch as her child died an atrocious and painful death… Karma may, in fact, be a b*tch.

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    120. ACME: there is a reason why the writers introduced us to Sam’s family and it is probably not simply to illustrate how terrible a father Randyll is.

      I thought a little more about this, and think it bodes well for Sam and Gilly. The scenes of Gilly defending Sam, and Sam not only refusing to leave Gilly behind, but claiming Heartsbane as well, show a great relationship between the two and an ever-developing strength in Sam. The fact that his mother and sister were cordial and loving toward Sam, Gilly and the baby shows that he has family that thinks him worth far more than old Randyll did. Showing such things wouldn’t have been necessary unless Sam actually does have an important role to play down the line. I still expect Sam and/or Gilly to put some clues together to some wonderful, helpful discovery. What that might be is anyone’s guess, but I’m sure it’s going to happen.

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    121. Ninjabear: Not sure but he looks like he’s out with vendetta in his eyes, GO JON GO!

      Yeah, he looks supremely annoyed about something, doesn’t he? Still handsome as ever, but very angry. Considering how subdued he was at the beginning of Season 6, wondering why he wasn’t dead and what it all meant, I’m kind of glad to see him so spirited this year. Ye Gods, I can’t wait for this season to begin!

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    122. Gucci Robert,

      Leaks.

      There are script pages from that person. If your read them and he managed to share a bit of light on it. Cersei will ake a comment about Tyrion liking foreign whore Tysha, Shae and now Dany. This is their conversation at the dragonpit.

      Mel,

      You don’t have to put spoiler tags on it. She always acts like this like some sort of queen made from ice, barely showing any emotion with a few exceptions Jorah and dragons. She looked pretty angry or annoyed in the throne room picture. I hope we’re talking about the same pic.

      Jenny,

      Leaks.

      There is no scene in the leaks that says anything about Tyrion commenting on her liking Jon. There might eventually be something like that but not in the leaks we knowabout. Only that she likes him straight away for that fact he’s being straightforward with her, his view on the world does not contradict with hers.

      Tyrion has a scene with Jon talking about Daenerys like some last good bet to build a better world. Jon is pretty cold towards her because of their differences. The way she looks at things by wanting him to kneel straight away, not believing in the white walkers threat. The exact words were “frosty start.”

      Cersei can certainly be petty but if Jon truly kneels at the pit in front of everybody, what else she and we as fans are supposed to make of this. It makes him look like a dummy and political suicide. Do that in the private, not for everybody to see.

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    123. ACME: She can survive among the flames but she loses something of herself every time she does so.

      That response was worthy of a bow. *respect* Poetic.
      Wolfish’s comment had me thinking that on both “bonding” occasions (one in which Dany became the baby dragons’ mother and the other in which she became Big D’s rider) Dany lost her famous/infamous Targ locks, as well as other key elements of her existence. But via the flames, she gained as well.
      First burn: lost Khal Drogo, gained a following
      Second burn: lost her Slavers Bay position, regained her lost Targ identity (as delusional as it could be…)

      I’m extremely curious how her naked bald look with attached dragon accessory will play out as the Dothraki encircle. Will her return to Vaes Dothrak and subsequent interaction with the empowered dosh khaleen have a different agenda?

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    124. ACME and
      Hodors Bastard,

      Hmmm… Now you both have me thinking that, as is so common in ASoIaF, there are often unexpected parallels between certain characters. The people resurrected by the Lord of Light also lose something of themselves every time they do so, to paraphrase ACME, but to quote Hodors Bastard, they gain something as well: like Daenerys, Beric and Jon have also gained wisdom, a following, and a stronger sense of their place in the world.

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    125. Geralt of Rivia,

      I think Jenny is referring to this

      Leaks

      Someone asked Lads2 this
      Are the people around them noticing the romance growing between them?, or at least, do they try to be discrete?.

      To which he replied
      Yeah, Tyrion comments on it to her, and Jorah is a bit grumpy about it when he first returns to her. He doesn’t say anything out loud, but I predict lots of reaction shots of him watching them flirt with each other.

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    126. Jay Targ,

      I shouldn’t laugh. If the leaks are true,

      I’m sure it doesn’t help that Jon has what would have been Jorah’s sword! Talk about the most obvious stand-in…

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    127. Hodors Bastard,
      Thanks a bunch. 😉

      You are entirely right to say the loss is counterbalanced with a gain. Each of Daenerys’s “baptism by fire” is a death/rebirth process; she has to let go of a part of herself to come back transformed, both symbolically and psychologically.

      In the more specific case of her hair, her bald appearance also serves as a physical reminder of her difference, I believe. For better and for worse, it sets her apart from everyone else, both raising her higher and isolating her further. Daenerys’s eternal conundrum, it seems.

      Wolfish,
      Absolutely. All three “revenants” went through a profondly transformative experience, gaining both unique hindsight and a reputation that cristallises around them a lot of hope and many expectations.

      In regards to Jon, while we can see what he gained from his resurrection, his losses are a bit more difficult to pinpoint. Yet, there must be some and they have to be significant, according to the universe’s rules.
      I seem to remember George RR Martin alluding to Book!Jon losing his POV-character status after he comes back to life but that can obviously not be incorporated into the show.

      So far, in the TV series, the only tangible loss Jon experienced due to his resurrection is that of his faith. However, if Beric’s case is anything to go by, there should be more. Dondarrion never comes back as was : parts of his memory get chiseled away and his body does not fully recover. Jon’s memory seems pretty intact but could his body be failing him in some regard ?
      I seem to recall reading that Jon may return from the dead sterile… I cannot for the life of me remember whether it is pure fan speculation (extrapolating from Daenerys’s presumed infertility ?) or it was alluded to in the books (in relation to Beric ?).
      Whatever it might be, I fear destiny will take its proverbial pound of flesh from Jon…

      Thronetender,
      Mommy Tarly is a marvel ! Thanks to her, we know whom Sam gets his adorability from ^^
      And I have no doubt you are right : Gilly will play an active role in her husband’s research. She is a smart cookie.

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    128. ACME,

      There is a major difference between politicking and open war. Pre wild fire nuking, the military strength of the Reach would have sided with Tommen. Now she turned one of the 7 kingdoms that was on her last living son’s side against her. Her stupidity has near single handedly doomed her house. And that’s not even getting into arming the faith.

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    129. Jay Targ,

      Leaks.

      That sounds a lot like her flirting with Daario. OG source said Jon and jorah are cool with each other after scene about Longclaw and Jeor, here we have grumpy Jorah. Contradiction of some sort.

      Here is pretty much everything on it and yet no signs of what you’re talking about.

      internut36 wixsite com/awayforthelads

      Gucci Robert,

      Leaks.

      Yeah, because pledging himself to Dany at the big meeting will make things positive, right? Jon is there to stop the war between Dany and Cersei. What he does? Declares for one side because of lust or whatever and maks the other very angry. Going against his mission of saving the world and complicating it. Dany, Tyrion and pretty much everybody else would advise him not to do it or look at it as a bad move. Yeah, no biggie because he gets to sleep with Daenerys and that is what matter.

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    130. WallyFrench:

      There is a major difference between politicking and open war. Pre wild fire nuking, the military strength of the Reach would have sided with Tommen. Now she turned one of the 7 kingdoms that was on her last living son’s side against her. Her stupidity has near single handedly doomed her house. And that’s not even getting into arming the faith.

      I’ve always felt that one of Cersei’s failings is her tendency to either over-estimate or under-estimate threats. This is most evident in season five when she plots to remove as much power as possible from House Tyrell (thinking Margaery is the Younger and More Beautiful Queen) – she over-estimates the threat of House Tyrell and under-estimates that of the High Sparrow, becoming blind to the danger she is placing herself in by giving him so much power.

      Even as early as season two, she was dismissive of Robb Stark; she scoffs and calls him “a child”, while Tyrion points out that Robb has won every battle he’s fought and that House Lannister is losing the War of the Five Kings at that point. It takes LF’s using Renly’s death to House Lannister’s advantage and binding the Tyrells to them, followed by Tywin’s removal of Robb from the game through the Red Wedding, for House Lannister to come out on top. In season five, however, Tywin is dead and no longer there to fix Cersei’s mistakes while LF has realized that House Lannister is on the slide and is working to ensure he will still be powerful when they fall.

      One we have still to see come to fruition is her throwaway comment to Robert in season one, when they are discussing their marriage – she asks him what harm Lyanna Stark’s ghost could cause them? Answer: quite a bit – he has the North, the Vale and the Free Folk loyal to him and (although he does not know it yet) an aunt with three dragons.

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    131. Having now read all the topics I do feel we are only a week or two (max) from getting the first episode title. Given that we know from the spoiler Dany is landing on Dragonstone then I feel the title will have some meaning in relation to that. Home would have been a good one as you also potentially have Bran passing the wall in episode 1.

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    132. Carole H,

      I hope we eventually get Gunpowder on cable here in the States. I recently watched mini-series The White princess on Starz. Michelle Fairley and Essie Davis are in there. It follows where the White queen left off with the start of Tudor reign. I must say the actor for King Henry is nice to watch 🙂

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    133. Firannion,

      I agree about Emilia’s wig. Its not natural looking. Also, am I the only one that doesn’t get excited over the somewhat drab costumes? I appreciate the work that goes into them of course, they just don’t have the wow factor for me as apparently do for many others here. They’d stand out more if they were richly hued and perhaps softer.

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    134. ACME,

      Huh? I don’t think GRRM ever alluded to book Jon losing his pov status. In fact, afaik, he has not even confirmed so far that book Jon died at the end of adwd. All that’s just fan conjecture, that’s all.

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    135. Flayed Potatoes:
      Firannion,

      Dany’s best wig was in season one. Her later wigs look like she’s going to prom. The worst wigs on the show though are Margaery’s season 6 wig and Bran’s season 4 wig.

      Was that when Natalie Dormer would have been covering her head because some of her hair had been shaven for a part she played in the Hunger Games franchise? I never saw The Tudors but I read somewhere that ND put a dark rinse or dye on her hair when she played in that series. I’m not that much caught up in the wig thing myself – maybe if I was a hairdresser or worked in makeup I’d notice these things. I never really thought about the Sophie wig till it was brought up in comments on this website. I’ve seen worse “crown-toppers” in my time – considering all the money he has the pop star formerly known as Reg Dwight has sported some very weird ones over the years.

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    136. Geralt of Rivia,

      Pledging to Dany or not in front of Cersei doesn’t matter when there are ice zombies coming to destroy the world,keep in mind that the only reason they are doing the truce with Cersei is because they don’t want to lose more men,not because they fear her,duh!

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    137. The original Stargaryen,

      I don’t know how it is to lose one’s mother and I can’t imagine Jaime’s suffering at such a young age. But that had been the only time for him to experience a beloved person’s death – before his own children died.
      What I mean is that, before being taken prisoner by the Starks, Jaime enjoyed a fairly good life, blessed with wealth and success. Of course, it wasn’t easy for him to know that Cersei was married to Robert, but she was supposed to marry someone – anyone but him, as Loras alluded to. Nevertheless, he could live near and with the woman he loved, the woman who bore and loved his children.
      He must have been troubled by his nickname Kingslayer, but he was also praised as an accomplished knight and respected as Tywin Lannister’s older son. Incest and kinglaying apart, Jaime was still “the good son”, as his younger brother happened to be a dwarf – even if intelligent, cultivated and skilled for politics.

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    138. ACME,

      Littlefinger did get the ball rolling; he is at the very root of the War of the Five Kings. And the beauty of it is that he did not even have to do that much : simply convince a woman to kill the 80-year-old man to whom she had been forcibly married as a teen even though he was old enough to be her grandfather (I doubt it took much effort) and have her blame it on the Lannisters. After that initial push, the dominoes fell the ones after the others almost mechanically, all Houses dragging one another further down the pit through their own agency.

      Oh yes! Tho of course if he hadn’t, pushed her to poison in the first place, he wouldn’t have had to push her out in the end. Plus then we’d have a very different story indeed.

      Was Joffrey’s death by LF or Olenna, or both?

      You mentioned Ros, and I was thinking of her as I drifted off to sleep. Remind me, why did he want her dead? (it certainly was easy to get Joff to do the dirty work of course) Poor Ros

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    139. Thronetender,

      I agree with you about Tarly’s role – there might be more to it, but you are right that it showed Sam’s growing confidence, and his relationship with Gilly. Can’t wait to see what they discover together (tho honestly Im almost more interested to see how Sam was able to convince the Citadel that she could stay!)

      Re Dany’s wig – I always thought she looked lovely, but then I somehow also missed the problems with Sansa’s. I do agree I missed the fact that she went bald. Only problem with that is I doubt her hair would have grown that much in between the dragon’s birth to the pit for her to have much to burn off the second time!

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    140. Wolfish,

      Its certainly not my style but I love the openess and light. My one wtf comment comes from living in a place where many children drown in unattended pools – the kids look all ready to dive in, with the adults sitting around in a circle oblivious (yes of course there is the camera watching) Just made me want to send off a ‘watch your kids around water’ brochere we get in the mail this time of the year.

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    141. WallyFrench:

      Very true. I wonder how the heck they’ll pit House Lannister against the rest of Westeros plus what Dany brings with her from Essos.

      As much as it would probably freak Jaime out, they do have wildfire – and Cersei has shown herself willing to use it. Actually, House Lannister has used it twice now if we include the Battle of the Blackwater. There is that, and it can cause mass death and destruction the same as dragons.

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    142. WallyFrench,
      That is a very fair point. However, I am not entirely convinced the Tyrells, and through them the Reach, would have stood by Tommen against Daenerys.

      Had the Sept not blown up, the consequences of Loras’s trial would have taken effect and the High Sparrow would have “ended” House Tyrell by making its (sole) male heir confess his homosexuality and renounce his birthright and inheritance.
      Now it so happens, that by that time, Tommen had, on multiple occasions, publicly asserted his support of the Faith. So the Militants’ deadly attack on House Tyrell would probably have been viewed as Tommen-sanctioned.

      Would the Reach have supported the young king solely for Margaery’s sake ? I am certain Olenna and Mace would have wanted to but whether they would have had enough clout to ensure their vassals do so is a different ball of wax, I believe.

      ghost of winterfell,
      You are abso-bloody-lutely right !
      I was convinced the idea had come from George RR Martin himself but, looking into it, there is no indication he ever either alluded to it and, even less, confirmed it. I guess I felt the idea of Jon coming back to tlife but losing his POV-character status was a credible given Martin’s “Gandalf should have stayed dead” philosophy. But it appears to be a fan theory.

      ash,
      You are right, Olenna and Littlefinger plotted together to kill Joffrey. Olenna to protect her granddaughter from a sociopathic husband and Littlefinger to a) get leverage over Olenna; b) strengthen his ties with the Tyrells; c) make the Lannisters pay for the Red Wedding; d) get Sansa and e) have Tyrion executed.

      In regards to Ros, if I remember correctly, Baelish wanted her dead because she had betrayed him. After Tywin refused to give him Sansa’s hand in marriage, Littlefinger tried to persuade her to flee King’s Landing with him. Ros knew of the plan and she informed Varys. The Spider then went to Olenna so the Tyrells would make Sansa an offer of marriage via Loras. Sansa accepted and dropped Littlefinger. Baelish realised what was going on and went to the Lannisters to tell them of the Tyrells’ Northern ambitions and Tywin then decided to keep Sansa by marrying her to Tyrion (and compensate the Tyrells by giving them Cersei instead). A long series of crosses and double-crosses, wasn’t it ? ^^
      But long story short, Ros was Varys’s spy and, as such, a “bad investment”

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    143. Carole H, Shy Lady Dragon,
      I haven’t seen that one, but I do like to play GoT cast member bingo when watching anything Brit made from the last 10 years or so. IIRC the most people I’ve seen in the same thing is 9 in The Force Awakens, although several of them are rather well hidden and I didn’t realise they were in it until looking at the credits.

      Dame of Mercia,
      Oh of course, I always forget how much of our every day language has religious roots. It’s lucky I live in the 21st century, there were a whole range of things I’d have been executed for in the past for just not generally toeing the line 🙁

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    144. Lulus Mum,

      I congratulate myself for living in the 21st century every time I watch historical/period dramas. It is fascinating to watch, but to live… not so much! Besides executions, don’t forget serial birth giving in horrible conditions!
      For me the most GOT cast appearances would be in Ripper Street, a series I never get tired to advertise.

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    145. ash: Was Joffrey’s death by LF or Olenna, or both?

      The way I understood it, they both came together in agreement that Joff’s murder should and would be done. It was LF’s part to provide Dontos with the poison necklace to give to Sansa – although I’m not certain how LF obtained the poison. He must have been responsible for obtaining the poison though, and having it put into “jewel shape” and put on a necklace.

      Whether or not the whole hoohaw about Olenna fussing around to find the perfect necklace for Margaery was part of the plan, I’m not sure. But certainly the excitement of having a bunch of necklaces created all over Kings Landing would have provided a way for LF to get a necklace made without drawing too much attention to himself.

      Olenna’s part was to pluck the poison “jewel” from Sansa’s necklace and drop it into Joff’s wine at just the right time. Obviously, she was successful. So they both were responsible for the method of his murder and the deed itself.

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    146. Carole H: Talking of which it is back on 19th June on BBC 2 but sadly without Jerome Flynn.

      Yes, I enjoyed “Ripper Street” so much, except for that part about Jerome Flynn. I had a blast picking out all the GoT people. I blubbered with excitement when Tommen showed up in an episode as a sharp little wheeler-dealer, totally unlike his Tommen character. He carried it off beautifully.

      When Jerome Flynn met his fate, my first thought was to hope it wasn’t a prediction of his fate in GoT! I do enjoy when Bronn is on screen, always have. Some of you are not huge Bronn fans, but I think the character and actor are charming, and would be sad to see him go. Somehow, though, I think he’s safe. From the start, Bronn was a quick-witted survivor with a fair share of good luck thrown in. I think he will make it.

      Are you saying there is a brand new season coming back?! Oh happy day. Something to watch in the looooong stretch of time AFTER this season of GoT.

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    147. Thronetender,

      I enjoyed watching Ian McElhinney and Joseph Mawle playing characters fundamentally different from Barristan and Benjen. But I was happy with Jerome Flynn in a Bronn-like role, because I can never get too much Bronn.

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    148. ACME: Well, there is Lord Baelish…

      Did the Baelish family come from merchants? I did not remember that!

      ACME: Funnily enough, if we look at him through the prism of a tectonic shift in the balance of power between aristocracy and bourgeoisie, his entire scheme becomes a delightfully baroque one-man French Revolution.

      The sheer loquaciousness of this statement deserves a thumbs-up! :tu: I do think that there is one difference, though: Baelish is not the idealist that Robespierre & Co. were.

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    149. ACME: Had the Sept not blown up, the consequences of Loras’s trial would have taken effect and the High Sparrow would have “ended” House Tyrell by making its (sole) male heir confess his homosexuality and renounce his birthright and inheritance

      Wait, do we know that Loras has no cousins, 2nd cousins, etc.? It seems improbable that there would not be some “Matthew Crowley” analog. At any rate, I doubt that this will come up much in the show or in the books when it comes to pass. After all, the books have spent zero time worrying about who now inherits the Baratheon titles. Someone once worked out that Jaime is the eldest closest cousin to the Baratheons, at least from the information that GRRM has given us: but that has never actually been stated in the books!

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    150. Shy Lady Dragon,
      Now, I simply have to check this series out !

      Wimsey: Did the Baelish family come from merchants?I did not remember that!

      Oh no ! Littlefinger is the very first merchant of his bloodline. Before him came a Braavosi sellsword great-grandfather, a hedge knight grandfather and a very minor knight father.
      Baelishes started climbing (social) ladders long before young Pety chewed his first mint leaf, it seems. That’s the Braavosi mindset in action !

      The sheer loquaciousness of this statement deserves a thumbs-up!:tu:I do think that there is one difference, though: Baelish is not the idealist that Robespierre & Co. were.

      Ha ! I torture my syntax almost as much as my logic.

      I do not think the French Revolution was an entirely idealistic enterprise. Robespierre was France’s High Sparrow, in many ways. He would have hated Baelish’s lack of « purity » and Danton would have punched the mockingbird in the face. But Talleyrand and Fouché… They would have invited him for a drink or two.

      do we know that Loras has no cousins, 2nd cousins, etc.?

      I think I am at a point where I assume that, if a character or heir has not been mentioned by now, they simply do not exist. ^^

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    151. ACME,

      Oh right, I remember that. And indeed a long series of double crosses!

      Littlefinger to a) get leverage over Olenna; b) strengthen his ties with the Tyrells; c) make the Lannisters pay for the Red Wedding; d) get Sansa and e) have Tyrion executed.

      Did you mean the purple wedding? Oh and yeah, I think d and e might have been his top personal choices!

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    152. ash: Did you mean the purple wedding? Oh and yeah, I think d and e might have been his top personal choices!

      Yes, the Purple Wedding, absolutely.

      And I agree wholeheartedly with you; d) and e) were very probably Baelish’s utmost priorities. But Tyrion is harder to kill that it seems. Still, he got Sansa. Swings and roundabouts ^^

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    153. ACME,

      I daresay you will like it!
      Ripper Street is set in Whitechapel and it starts with the protagonist’s regret of not having been able to catch Jack the Ripper. The series focuses on him and his colleagues at the Whitechapel police station. One of them is played by Jerome Flynn.

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    154. I think, having in mind the similarities between Jon and Ned Stark, that Jon must be choking Littlefinger because he thought Littlefinger is making fun of him, mocking at him?
      In the Ned-Littlefinger scene there was Cat, and kind of related to her.
      The Jon-Littlefinger chocking scene from the trailer might be connected to the new Lady of Winterfell – Sansa. What do you think?
      Do you think Litllefinger says something about Jon and Sansa or is it about Lyanna – making Jon angry of the assumption he is a fatherless bastard of Lyanna before coming to the realization he might be the son of Raegar?

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    155. ACME,

      Don’t forget the awesome scene in the tower of the hand between the queen of thorns and awesomely psychotic tywin. (There’s only one to note. Blast! I forget which ep) tywin also plays a hand in the murder of Geoffrey. Well, it’s implied… Greatly.

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    156. Ann,

      Great points! 🙂 I see Little finger just telling Jon the truth. “Ah, the Starks. Slow minds, quick tempers.” (Lol or was it quick tempers, slow minds???) Yes, Jon is a stark part stark but still Ned’s blood runs through his. Unless Lyanna and Ned aren’t related at all…. Which, they are. I just wish Little finger was able to stand up for himself physically just a little. Granted, I LOVE how he uses his smarts most of the time.

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