Jon Snow filming with main characters in Basque Country! MAJOR SPOILERS! (UPDATED)

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Filming in Spain continues uninterrupted, along the coast of the Basque Country, moving from Muriola Beach in Barrika to the beautiful islet of Gaztelugatxe. Despite the tight security measures, the local press has taken some revealing photographs of what’s going on in there. Those closely following spoilers in the last few weeks will not be incredibly surprised, yet it is still shocking to witness these characters colliding. Undoubtedly, the main star of this scene is Kit Harington —Jon Snow. But he is not alone!

Before we get to the juicy stuff, from EiTB we get the comparatively innocuous sight of the cast and crew enjoying some Basque cuisine. Showrunnes and writers David Benioff and D.B. Weiss were accompanied by some of their talent in Bilbao’s Mina restaurant: Liam Cunningham (Davos Seaworth), Kit Harington (Jon Snow), Peter Dinklage (Tyrion Lannister) and someone else who would be quite a surprise if we hadn’t learnt about it already —Joe Dempsie, who plays Gendry, returning to the show after a long absence.

Now, off to the real deal, which yet again comes to us by the grace of EL CORREO, who apparently employ the stealethiest reporters and best zoom equipment around, because what they got here was even more impressive than the Muriola reports. At first glance the pictures are not that revealing, which is why one of them appears above with no spoiler alert: Jon Snow, dressed much more fancily than we have ever previously seen him, walking down the path with his foremost consigliere, Ser Davos Seaworth.

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Their surroundings may be a dead giveaway of what is strange with this picture —It does not look like the North. And that is because it is not. The other pictures show us Missandei, played by Nathalie Emmanuel, along with Unsullied and Dothraki:

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UPDATED (1)02miri93 sends us another photo, this one from Gaztelugatxe itself, showing two Dothraki warriors armed with their characteristic arakhs:

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UPDATED (2): EL CORREO brings us new and much crisper pictures from this morning, including the new one at the top and this nicely framed photograph of Jon and Davos talking while two Dothraki guard them. It is the perfect visual representation of the two worlds colliding, and isn’t it such a strange, beautiful sight?

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We also get a much better look at Missandei, who is wearing a new outfit that mimics her Queen’s darker style from last season’s finale. And she looks absolutely stunning!

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This confirms the rumor that Jon will travel south with his companions, probably to Dragonstone. Emilia Clarke was nowhere to be seen, much to the frustration of everyone who just wants to see Queen Daenerys in a red and black dress already, yet it is now difficult to imagine that the two monarchs will not meet in season seven. Hopefully, when filming moves to Zumaia’s Itzurun Beach on Monday, we will get a glimpse of the historic meeting between Daenerys Stormborn and Jon Snow.

UPDATED: Los Siete Reinos brings us a few more details from yesterday’s filming, which involved Tyrion, Davos and Gendry escaping two Gold Cloaks. Apparently, Davos does not attempt to bribe them with gold but with crabs that the smuggler promises are “aphrodisiac”. Of course he does. And of course it does not work, so Gendry has to whack them with his new warhammer, which we now know is marked by the House Baratheon stag sigil. If there was any doubt that Gendry had forged it himself, there is not anymore. Furthermore, Los Siete Reinos has learnt this episode is the fifth of the season, a few before the finale, and it is directed by Matt Shakman.

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    1. Another great post, Luka!

      I knew this was coming yet my jaw dropped when I saw Missandei in the same photo as them.

      Can’t imagine what it will be like when Dany and Jon share the screen!

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    2. She’s definitely inside the building. Why would the dothrakis and Missandei be there ? Also look at the canvas panels blocking the sunlight from the outside in. Considering how much everyone has been trying to hide Emilia in he past few days, I wouldn’t be surprised if they waited till the cover of darkness to actually leave the set in order to not be seen.
      Also Emilia recently liked a photo on instagram of her and Kit of some dude who said he was honoured to have the two of them film together.
      My guess is she just couldn’t help herself.
      She’s just as excited as we are.

      This will be the most iconic encounter in TV history in the past few years.

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    3. Wow! It’s finally happening. How exciting it is that these two groups are finally meting. I can’t wait to how it all plays out. I think it’ll be very “business like” at first. These two have a lot of other things they need to take care of.

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    4. I’ve run out of ways to say how exited I am so now I’m just going to be like:cool lol.I’ve Been waiting for the two of them to meet since 2011.Good thing I have a year to prepare myself and not freak out when I see it.You know how people kept saying there is no time for Jon and Dany and develop something in six episodes.Well they had it all planned out and are not loosing any time.This is gonna be good.I also love that he has Davos with him.I love them together.I wonder where Tormund is.Probably in the north somewhere making eyes at Brienne.And imagine Jon and tyrion meeting after so long.

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    5. Me wondering if Jon/Daenerys will be solely indoor scenes shot in NI to avoid KH and EC being photographed on outdoor set

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    6. I will just copy from my other post
      Its happening finally
      For some reason I thought about a wedding Garland when I saw the thing around kit’s neck.

      It would be nice to have a scene where dany walks along the shore and have a conversation ..
      Iam so tired of getting the conversation in throne room..

      Remember that scene with viserys and illyrio and dany in series premiere or with jorah and barristan at astopor..

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    7. Kargaryen,

      I think Emilia and Kit are going to have great chemistry looking at off screen interactions.They must be so exited.They always wanted to film together.And regarding her outfits imagine how good she will look in black and red.I can’t wait to see it.I also want her to have less elaborate hairstyles.She looks so good with her hair down

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    8. It is certainly exciting to see Jon somewhere without snow for a change, and it is exciting to see him meeting up with other main characters in the South. His outfit is also interesting, it is more refined than what he has worn before. In one picture it almost looked like the Targaryen sigil, but it is obviously two direwolfs facing each other.

      I could see that these scenes will perhaps take place a bit later in the season.

      I can also fully understand why some people are a bit apprehensive about Jon and Dany meeting up. People were quite excited last season when Jon and Sansa finally met up, people really wanted to see a Stark reunion. But unfortunately it just lead to some bad writing, and characters development suffered as a result of the bad writing. In light of last season it is obvious why some people might be apprehensive about this meeting between Dany and Jon.

      But Dany and Jon meeting up is a really big thing, so I hope they they really try to do it justice.

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    9. dragonbringer,

      Yes I want that too.I love scenes outside.I know they are worried about leaks but come on the cat’s out of the bag.We know they will meet just a scene of them talking it doesn’t need to give away anything

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    10. Kargaryen,

      I think you’re 100% correct, I’ve read that the two have already switched three hotels to prevent them from being seen together and also that they’ll be shooting under the cover of darkness in Gatzelugatxe and at the Dragonstone beach as well, they’re hiding Emilia like she’s a national treasure which is understandable haha, they’ve already let so many things about season 7 get out, they won’t let her and Kit be seen together anytime soon since it will be the single biggest thing to ever happen on this show.

      I’m so excited though !

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    11. Jenny,

      I think D&D dont care about the leaks or photos anymore. .
      So yes please give us the footage..

      And if the rumors they are trying to hide Emilia ..I find it surprising. Should they not be hiding kit because dany being in south or dragonstone is always given whereas jon going south was not.

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    12. Kargaryen,

      I think I read that the night scene they want to film is an arrival scene. So either it’s Dany arriving or Jon. Considering that what they are filming now looks like Jon’s arrival at Dragonstone, maybe the night scene in Zumaia will be Dany’s landing.

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    13. It seems they took their weapons, so trust is not exactly yet reached.

      dragonbringer,

      Why wedding thing? Theon wore same thing when visiting Iron Islands as part of Robb’s envoy. Balon made fun of it that he’s dressed like a wolf. Diplomatic missions requires to be dressed more fancy.

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    14. dragonbringer:
      Jenny,

      I thinkD&D dont care about the leaks or photos anymore. .
      So yes please give us the footage..

      And if the rumors they are trying to hide Emilia ..I find it surprising.Should they not be hiding kit because dany being in south or dragonstone is always given whereas jon going south was not.

      This was what I thought too. What is the point of hiding Emilia when you are hiring so many Dothraki/ Unsullied extras? It would be quite obvious that Dany scenes are being filmed here. It makes more sense for them to try to hide Kit.
      I don’t think they are necessarily hiding her. Maybe a lot of people don’t associate brunette Emilia with Dany, which is why there are no pics of her yet.

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    15. ghost of winterfell,

      All those people who have met the actors, and more, said they were trying to find her as well. I know because I spoke with some, who met the actors also in different locations.

      Maybe it was her who asked to be hidden, who knows.

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    16. dragonbringer,

      Not really, Dany could be in a number of locations, starting with Dorne and ending with the Iron Islands, even though we know she’s in Spain and her being separated from her squad wouldn’t make sense. But they are not shooting in chronological order. Just the other day we saw Tyrion discussing with two Golden Cloaks, Gendry and Davos so he must’ve been in King’s Landing. So how come they are at Dragonstone now ? They’re shooting it like this so they confuse the fans, remember Sibel Kekilli appeared on the S6 set and everyone thought she was coming back just so D&D could mess with us. Jon could just be meeting with Tyrion, Varys & Co to discuss politics and the fate of the North.
      But where Dany goes, Missandei goes (except when she’s not kidnapped by dothrakis or flown by Drogon in the middle of nowhere)
      But I am 99% certain she is shooting inside the church as we speak, way too many people there and way too much protection on the windows. I am counting on fans to take some photos of her there in the next 24-48 hours.

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    17. ghost of winterfell,

      Iguess you are right
      Is she really that unidentifiable..
      Anyway wouldn’t she hanging out with Nathalie and other cast members ..so she will be identified simply by being among them..

      I remember the days of shoots involving fighting pit scene ..there were tons of fans photos with emilia nathalie and ian..

      I hope they don’t do dany’s landing at night…let it be evening or something like that. We want to see dany laying eyes on dragonstone the full view of dragonstone..

      It would be nice if someone can link those dragonstone pictures from TWOIaf ..then you guys will know what Iam speaking about .

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    18. We also have to remember that we are only a small portion of the audience. Most of people won’t make all the associations we make when we read about leaks, photos, etc. but a Dany/Jon photo IS something very huge and has much more obvious implications than what we have been discussing here.

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    19. Emilia talked about this before, even if she is hanging out with Kit or Gwen fans don’t recognise her and ask her to take the pics, lol

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    20. I’m really exited about this!! You may like it or not but Jon and Dany’s meeting is something that has been building up since the begginign of the series

      however, Jon was recently name KITN and decides to abandon his country and take Davos with him? so Sansa will be in charge now, does it make her QITN or Queen Regent, Lady Regent or Just the Lady of the North? God, titles are so confussing xD I Don’t know who Dany handles it hahaha.

      BTW speaking about Jon/Sansa that means that the rivalry/treason between them is basically non existen, right?

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    21. Luka, you are spoiling us…literally! Great job. Although we all surmised it was coming it’s so great to see it and I definitely can’t WAIT for S7..how many months away??? Ugh.

      Thanks again, Luka, you are certainly doing a great job.

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    22. Kargaryen,

      I doubt Emilia would want to be hidden. If she is in fact being hidden, I assume the decision was taken by other people associated with the show.
      I guess I feel makes more sense to have tried to keep Kit hidden instead of Emilia. With all those extras being cast, I assume most of the locals would already be expecting Dany scenes to be filmed there.
      I think Javi from L7R had mentioned that they had actually booked multiple hotels for both Kit and Emilia so as to ensure they are not hounded by fans. Maybe Kit being spotted the very minute he exited the airport spoiled all their plans, who knows

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    23. Good to see the KITN at a warmer location. It makes one realize we are coming to the end of the series, which is sad. I am so looking forward to the interactions that will be taking place. Let’s have Jon and Dany team up, kick Cersei and Euron’s asses and then defeat the WW.
      Thanks for the update Luka.

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    24. Kit my love <3 His clothes look amazing, better than Robb's. THE HYPE IS REAL!

      Please let us have a Jon and Dany picture soon, my week has been awful so far, I need something to cheer me up.

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    25. dragonbringer,

      It’s kinda suspicious that it’s filmed at some church but probably some indoor scene of different manner.

      Newbietothegame,

      Why would Jon be involved in war against Cersei? Marching with his army? Main threat is up in the North and he can’t split their forces. Negotiations for white walkers might totally separated rom what is going on in King’s Landing. Jon is to protect interests of the North.

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    26. dragonbringer,

      I mean it is a loosing battle so what are they gonna do about it lol.I also find it really bizarre to hide Emilia when the real spoiler is Kit being there.Maybe she hasn’t arrived yet but she is going to get spotted in any case.Knowing Emilia she is probably going to post an ig picture on set and just be done with it lol.

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    27. I wonder if Jon and Davos are also on Dragonstone to get the dragonglass on the island to help with the war against the white walkers.

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    28. ghost of winterfell,

      She normally wouldn’t, I just raised another possibility because really I don’t see why they would try to hide her. Like in NI… she stayed there for four weeks and only one person took a photo with her, indoors, and it was someone who seems to work with celebrities. So it’s very strange.

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    29. I’m just gonna say this, where Dany goes Missandei goes so unless Drogon randomly decided too kidnap her again and they flew off together into the sun set or something like that, than I would say Dany is most definitely inside the building. ?

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    30. ghost of winterfell,

      It doesn’t make sense to hide her. Kit is the one that should’ve been as we don’t know where is KitN going next. When they see nathalie, Jacob, Peter is obvious Emilia will be there. D&D don’t mind and there is a good chance we might see some photos.

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    31. Jenny,

      I’ve heard she’s actually arriving today. But we hear so many things from so many people lol I can’t see her not being there by monday at most though.

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    32. ghost of winterfell: This was what I thought too. What is the point of hiding Emilia when you are hiring so many Dothraki/ Unsullied extras? It would be quite obvious that Dany scenes are being filmed here. It makes more sense for them to try to hide Kit.
      I don’t think they are necessarily hiding her. Maybe a lot of people don’t associate brunette Emilia with Dany, which is why there are no pics of her yet.

      yeah it makes more sense to hide kit because emilia was going to be there anywhere. I dont even think they are hiding here. They are more on the hunt for kit now because this is a big spoiler.

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    33. Jon Snow filming without snow for the first time on GOT… That must feel odd for Kit. No wonder he decided to shed some clothes!

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    34. Despite my misgivings, I’m really excited to see Kit and Emilia together in a scene. They have insane chemistry together, IMO.

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    35. Jenny,

      That means Davos, Jon went earlier and meeting between parties at Dragonstone already happened. Davos and Tyrion working together in ep 5, means Jon and Davos might went around 2 or 3 episode.

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    36. Jenny,

      Los yes. .

      Who knows she is just going to post on istagram a picture of her and kit and others ( not in costumes because that will be spoiler lol)

      As someone said above i too thought that it was Emilia on right end of the photo ..but iam not sure .

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    37. Rhaenys Stark,

      Yes, it might be Robert’s warhammer for some reason we don’t know about (the show could invent that it is valyrian steel, although i doubt that) or as Luka says that Gendry forged it himself.

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    38. Guys am I only one who wondering why the need of using spoiler tags .
      This thread in itself is a spoiler so we can post without spoiler tags right..

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    39. Okay so it’s episode 5 they’re now filming and that little bit of info completely screws up the reddit leak. Tyrion’s nowhere to be seen and the timeline is all wrong.

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    40. that would be wonderful if we could see a jon-dragons encounter. dragons flying and seeing jon. feeling the tagraryen blood. comeing down from sky and showing love to jon.

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    41. I don’t see Missandei or Dothraki. Stupid ads on their site block the entire pic on my screen when I zoom…stupid old iphone!!

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    42. Very interesting this development of the Tyrion, Davos, Gendry scene being part of episode 5.

      I would think that Jon would arrive at Dragonston by the end of episode 3. Do whatever negotiations and work on a plan in episode 4 and put that plan (whatever it is) into place throughout episode 5.

      I think that Winterfell scene with all the actors involve might have been 7×01 after all.

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    43. maeve,

      Stop with this leak crap. Everyone can pull a story out of their butt and post it there. Why anyone would use THAT site as a reliable source is beyond me.

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    44. So gendry decides to make himself as heir to Robert baratheon and was staying in KL ..brilliant move

      Speaking of directors iam wondering who is going to be the director who gets only one episode to direct..
      I just wish Alan Taylor directs the last two and its given Jeremy podaswa directing the first two ..and mark mylod third and fourth…so I guess that leaves matt shakman with only one episode.

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    45. maeve,

      No. L7R said they filmed episode 5 scenes yesterday with Tyrion, Gendry and Davos.

      What we’re seeing now with Jon and Davos can still be another episode.

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    46. Arya Serious:
      I don’t see Missandei or Dothraki. Stupid ads on their site block the entire pic on my screen when I zoom…stupid old iphone!!

      Neither do I, but I will take Luka’s word as it being so.

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    47. So how did Gendry get his hands on a warhammer with the Baratheon sygil?

      Also, I’d like a Jon/Varys scene please and thank you.

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    48. moiaf,

      Or Winterfell scenes are later on but probably would bet more on earlier. Just hope, Jon is not at Dragonstone for most of the season, he’s got business elsewhere too. That would be like being at Winterfell for whole season doing nothing. Meeting Dany is fine but instead ove hearty eyes at each other, want to see some progess on front with white walkers.

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    49. Geralt of Rivia,

      To protect the interests of the North he needs the 7K united. He knows that as long as Cersei sits at the throne, the 7K will stay divided. Besides, Jon would never negotiate with a Lannister, they are the responsible for his entire family being butchered. An alliance between the North and the Lannisters is ridiculous at this point.

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    50. Gigis,

      I know. But intervene in war between Cersei and Dany is not the wisest move. His forces must be at the North for white walkers invasion. He can negotiate with Dany or others but that’s about it. Besides, Dany has already three dragons and army to take care of Cersei and her forces. Jon should be more about white walkers than this.

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    51. Amira:
      Dragonstone was Rhaegar’s seat… It’s such a sweet tragedy for Jon to be in the dark.

      That was my first thought when I saw the pic of him. I wonder if he will ever find out the truth of his parentage? Then again, what will it do to him?

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    52. Newbietothegame,

      Exactly! D&D has given us the best quality show on television for YEARS, and now a nobody with zero proof to back up his story comes up with that fanfic of spoilers and we are all friking out and taken his word as sacred.
      Trust the writers and the producers that has given us their best work for years, not this anonymous people talking bs.

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    53. Amira,

      Maybe he could find some book or read about him. There is plenty of history at Dragonstone and he seems to be there for a few episodes. Especially, since Rhaegar is supposed to be or should be focus of next season as another part of his parentage. We got Lyanna explained but then Rhaegar should be too. Isaac said something he needs to find out the whole truth about Jon’s parentage.

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    54. I cannot wait to see what happens!! I’m so excited that Gendry is rocking the Baratheon sigil. I think if anything could bring a little hope or happiness to Arya it would be seeing Jon and Gendry.

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    55. Yaga,
      “mother of dragons bride of fire…..A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice,and filled the air with sweetness” I would prepare for it just in case lol

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    56. Now my question is when does the battle against Euron happen?
      Because it looks like team Jon and team Dany will be together pretty early. And L7R said apparently dragonpit would be later in the season.

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    57. Flayed Potatoes:
      maeve,

      No. L7R said they filmed episode 5 scenes yesterday with Tyrion, Gendry and Davos.

      What we’re seeing now with Jon and Davos can still be another episode.

      Even better, the Gendry-Davos reunion in King’s Landing happening in episode 5 screws up the

      wight hunting expedition beyond The Wall less than an episode later

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    58. Arya Serious:
      I don’t see Missandei or Dothraki. Stupid ads on their site block the entire pic on my screen when I zoom…stupid old iphone!!

      She’s standing near the metal torch nearly hidden by a column on the walk in the third picture from the last. Hope that helps!

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    59. Jenny,

      That doesn’t mean romance. It might mean husbands, as other two seems to be Drogo and Hizdar as far show is concerned. She wasn’t exactly in love with Hizdar. I found Silver, Drogon and Ghost to be more fitting but then Ghost is not exactly accustomed for riding.

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    60. Geralt of Rivia,

      Yeah, I get your point, but why would he stayed at the North when he knows they can not defeat the WW on their own? If he stays and doesn’t negotiate with Dany they are doomed. They need all the forces they can get, and in order to get them maybe Dany would ask him to join her against the Lannister. He knows tis all or nothing at this point, why would he stay on the bench? To prolong the inevitable doom for a little longer?

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    61. Geralt of Rivia,
      If he wants to ask Dany for her armies / involvement, wouldn’t giving her a wee bit of help first be simply good politics? (Not that I think that he’ll give her much except lending Davos a bit. I don’t see him taking large armies to Dragonstone.)

      Flayed Potatoes,
      I’ll speculate. People complained last season that nobody stood up to Cersei.

      So how about a populist movement in King’s Landing, led by the remains of the Sparrows, but centered around a bastard of King Robert? There are historical examples of that; also cf. book Aegon. The people involved may not even believe that he is a real son of Robert, just want someone to gather around!

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    62. Jon should stay in The North! Why?!
      Or He help Edmure in Riverlands!
      okay sansa(or bran) must be in Winterfell when Jon leaves. There’s always be a stark in Winterfell. Assuming sansa is with Baelish(I hate this man)

      they will be romance(J&D) but They won’t admit it and there’s no happy ending.

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    63. Gigis,

      I understand and agree with you that he needs to negotiate with her, travel and do some politics. He’s not very good at it but he can try to persuade her. But don’t think Dany with her massive army would require Northerners to march and nor Jon would agree to it would be stupid move on his part. Ice zombies are marching on the Wall and there is where true enemy lies.

      Yaga,

      Why? She’s plenty capable with her huge army to take care of Cersei. Besides, logistics behind this, marching south and then back north. Leaving them exposed like Robb did. Jon is obviously coming to ask her for assistance against white walkers and can make alliance that in exchange he’ll swear fealty and she helps or do what she can. Marching south and then white walkers breaching the Wall would mke Jon look stpid, intervene in southern wars. I understand politics, to try negotiate deal for ice zombies invasion.

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    64. Flayed Potatoes,

      He’s a blacksmith so the likelihood is that he made it himself, as the article suggests.

      However, I think it’d be really cool if Davos gave it to him as a kind of “become the man you were born to be” moment.

      Cheesy fan-fiction, I know, but that’d be such a cool moment with Liam Cunningham delivering it.

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    65. Geralt of Rivia,

      Sure but they are also gonna do it haha.I mean I’m not sure but the imagery of the flower filling the air with sweetness suggest positive feelings.But to the people who hate romance and only want doom and gloom chill.Even if they hook up I’m pretty sure it will end badly for them so you will get your wish lol.

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    66. Ramsay's 20th Good Man:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      He’s a blacksmith so the likelihood is that he made it himself, as the article suggests.

      However, I think it’d be really cool if Davos gave it to him as a kind of “become the man you were born to be” moment.

      Cheesy fan-fiction, I know, but that’d be such a cool moment with Liam Cunningham delivering it.

      It does sound somewhat cheesy, but I would not have a problem with it.
      I assume Robert wad buried in the Sept, maybe with his hammer. Maybe Gendry found it. I know…I know…LOL.

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    67. I think the key to the first meeting between Jon and Danni will be Tyrion. He and Jon met and spent considerable time together in season One while headed for the Wall. The two of them built up a decent amount of mutual respect during that time. It’s definitely worth going back over those scenes while waiting for season Seven.

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    68. Btw I fucking knew it when they were insisting on the Jon/Sansa drama they were misdirecting.Since when do they give away plot points it was weird.

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    69. Alvaricomg,

      I was thinking the same thing. Sansa is def. up North with possibly Arya/Lady Mormount/Bran? I don’t think she would be QITN if Kit is talking marriage to Dany as KITN but as Lady Stark. The only issue I have is… where is LF. Alone with Sansa in WF? I do not like that, because if anything shady happens I think Arya would shut it down….and now that she can be anyone….damn IDK. I hope that the two sisters work together against LF because if Sansa sides with him I don’t think it will go well.

      Poor Jon, he gets back to WF and its wrecked AGAIN! Kind of like the way Jaime got back to KL.

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    70. Jenny:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      Sure but they are also gonna do it haha.I mean I’m not sure but the imagery of the flower filling the air with sweetness suggest positive feelings.But to the people who hate romance and only want doom and gloom chill.Even if they hook up I’m pretty sure it will end badly for them so you will get your wish lol.

      I think we are overdue for some intense romance. I don’t recall any since Robb.
      I fully expect one of our heroes not surviving, so yes, like said above, chill.

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    71. Geralt of Rivia,
      I, uh, don’t understand you. I don’t think that Jon is taking armies south with him. But I think that, once he finds himself face-to-face with Dany, it’ll be good politics to offer her what he can (that is, probably, just Davos and goodwill, which is nothing).

      Jenny,
      Um, it’s possible to dislike romance and enjoy positive relationships. Those are called alliances or friendships.

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    72. This is my two cents about this reunion:

      If Dany make Jon bend the need ( marry ) in change for her aid in the wars to come… she is not a good leader.
      in her many titles is The PROTECTOR OF THE REALM is her duty to fulfilled, she had Dragons (big guns of destruction) they can make the difference in the survival of all the people in Westeros and the people she brought with her.
      an example of fulfilled that Duty in the show was what Stannis did, he saw the priority of the situation ans went North to help and not South to pursuit and Iron Chair.

      if the NK wins all this political plots if for nothing….

      as for the people the want a romance/marry between Jon and Dany they can get together but not after they defeated the Long night.

      btw I love Kit’s new outfit 🙂

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    73. So D&D almost ruined the KitN scene with their comments about how sansa wasn’t happy with Jon’s proclamation, just to misdirect us, eh? D&D’s antics never seize to amaze me. Seriously, all those endless arguments about the possible stark civil war… I’ve lost count how many times i’ve seen people dissecting that scene, frame by frame, to explain Sansa’s unhappiness through her almost non-existent face expressions, lol.

      I’m glad I can go back and enjoy that scene now and see it for what it really is, which is a pleased then seconds later scared(?) sansa.

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    74. the best part of this spoiler…….Jon got a new outfit!!!!!!! YEEEEESSSSS!!!

      Gendry war hammer is interesting…was the war hammer Roberts..or was it like the Baratheon family weapon passed from generation to generation? If it was heirloom then that could point to Gendry claiming (or bein given) storms end and declared legit and he actually is using THE warhammer (loong shot, but interesting)

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    75. Jenny:
      Yaga,
      “mother of dragons bride of fire…..A blue flower grew from a chink in a wall of ice,and filled the air with sweetness” I would prepare for it just in case lol

      There is a lot of foreshowing about Dany and Jon in general in the books. lol

      Examples:

      “Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow.” – DAENERYS ACOK

      “The light of the half-moon turned Vals honey-blonde hair a pale silver and left her cheeks as white as snow. She took a deep breath. The air tastes sweet.” -JON ADWD

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    76. Yaga,

      I understand that but there are plenty of those in the show everywhere you turn.On the other hand it’s been light on romance in the show for years so I don’t think this one would ruin it.But I get that everybody has their preferences.What I don’t understand is some people being so vehemently against it and saying it’s cliche,a soap opera and too disney without even knowing how it plays out.I’m sure whatever happens between them it will still be be same show.

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    77. Jack Bauer 24:
      How has Emilia not been spotted yet? She hasn’t posted on Instagram in a while, which is unusual for her.

      Maybe it was her falling into the water. They did film in the pool while she was in NI, right? Maybe she got hurt (on the show) and has indoors scene.

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    78. Charlie Stark,

      Yes. I don’t understand all this talk of Jon bending the knee in exchange of Dany’s help. People are making it look like this only Jon’s problem when it’s in fact everyone’s problem, especially Dany’s since she wants to rule Westeros so badly. What? does people think the Night King will stop in the north and won’t bring destruction further south as well? If Dany really makes that kind of deal with Jon, it just goes to show how petty she’s become. And this really isn’t her style. So I really doubt she’ll keep insisting on her conquest after she learns or sees what the white walkers can do.

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    79. In the beach video Ser Davos appears to be flashing a police badge, ala a thousand tv cop shows, at the soldiers while Gendry sneaks up and whomps them with his hammer, ala a thousand tv home repair shows.

      “I am Special Agent Davos of the Crab Smuggler Division and I order you to put down your weapons!”

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    80. Jenny:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      Sure but they are also gonna do it haha.I mean I’m not sure but the imagery of the flower filling the air with sweetness suggest positive feelings.But to the people who hate romance and only want doom and gloom chill.Even if they hook up I’m pretty sure it will end badly for them so you will get your wish lol.

      Hi! I think that the flower doesn’t exactly set it up for romance but it was giving Dany the imagery of the blue winter rose that is essential to the story of Rhaegar and Lyanna. And I’m pretty sure that when Dany had this vision in the books Jon was still at the wall. Blue winter roses are essential to Jon’s story because, well that was the story of his very existence. Filling the air with sweetness could just be that she actually has family left. I mean what could be sweeter than finding out that you have a nephew that is alive after you thought for years that you were alone in the world. And he’s your age on top of it! That would make me ecstatic! Sweet someone to hang out with!

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    81. Nice new attire for the White Wolf. If Jon and Davos are filming on the exact AWESOME STAIRWAY I WANT LEADING TO MY PATIO, why isn’t Longclaw accompanying ? Honoring the presence of royalty?

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    82. Kargaryen,

      So all of that talk of pushing back the season because “winter is here” and they’d need a more winter-y environment was all bs? I wasn’t expecting the dothraki to be wearing furs or anything, but really… are they just gonna wear the same Essos outfits in the middle of the westerosi winter?

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    83. Arya Serious,

      Actually, i love your interpretation on this. What valid points you make. Yes she does believe she is alone in the world and the validation of lyanna and rhaegars love is also a thought i had when i read the books. Jon’s whole existence is due to this love. Also there are many types of love. Family love, romantic love, parent child love, friendship.

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    84. Love Kit’s outfit. From these pics at insagram it looks cool. Appropriate outfit for him as KitN to represent.

      Jenny,

      We’ll find out what it means but like I said. If they’re going to do romance, then it’s not entirely out of nowhere unlike Jon and Sansa. I don’t want them to die and in her chapters sweetness, poison and love is connected. Love is sweet poison, Ser Barristan mentioned it in ADWD that her love for Daario is like a slow posion, not sweet like honeyed locusts but kills you all the same like this.

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    85. Did anyone notice in the 5th photo down in the “walkway” underneath the torch…..someone dressed in what looks like red and black – and something yellow covering their head/hair??

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    86. Arya Serious,

      The thing is jon and dany is basically lyanna and rhaegar come again respectively..

      Jon is attributed with blue winter roses similar to lyanna

      While dany is basically rhaegar reborn Last Dragon..

      Laura,

      Another thing related with shifting shadow is that maybe because of how jon’s face keep chnging when Mel looks into fire

      “He was man then wolf and then man again”

      Face keep shifting..

      Since everyone is linking all the parallels and symbolism between dany and jon…I would like to link to one of my favorite threads I read.

      http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/105591-the-sun-and-the-moon-a-look-at-the-parallels-and-symbolisim-of-jon-and-dany-section-3-update-be-like-water/

      On topic of dany duty bound to protect north part of the realm…then are people suggesting north is part of westeros and not an individual kingdom.

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    87. Jenny,
      I think that people are so concerned, on both sides, because it’s the relationship between the two most important characters. So everyone wants this one their way. And it’s for the same reason that people think that a romance between these two would be a cliche. Because they are the mains. An asexual friendship between the two single mains… that’s the path less trodden, and so worth taking.

      And above all, I don’t think there is some ”romance quotum” that needs to be fulfilled, is there? There are zombies to kill. That’s what’s important, and a romance isn’t needed for that. It would be only if there were some sort of a JRPG “~~true love~~ is the element necessary to destroy the final enemy” arrangement, in which case… just no.

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    88. Laura,

      That bit from ACOK sound a lot like Jon but it’s a bit vague. But bit about Val is not really connected to Dany. A bit stretch.

      I would probably mention “Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sand and lonely.” ADWD

      That happened two chapters after Jon’s stabbing.

      Yaga,

      Oh then, Jon in theory could offer her help but it wouldn’t really make sense knowing her numbers, supply, army. Northerns wouldn’t that much of a difference and logistics. Jon would be foolish to think of this but then what he has to offer besides his title.

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    89. Wilshade:
      I think the key to the first meeting between Jon and Danni will be Tyrion.He and Jon met and spent considerable time together in season One while headed for the Wall.The two of them built up a decent amount of mutual respect during that time.It’s definitely worth going back over those scenes while waiting for season Seven.

      Yep I agree about Tyrion. Him and Jon had a good rapport when he was at the wall. Tyrion was the one that taught Jon to really look at peoples circumstances before judging. Tyrion is the only reason Jon made any friends in my opinion. Jon even said “I’ll miss you Lannister” before Tyrion left the wall. I honestly cannot wait to see the interaction between them! That’s the thing about Tyrion – he is charismatic and intellectual. Seems to be able to negotiate his way out of an awful lot. It seems like the only people that really despised him were his own family (with exception of Jaime). I want to see Tyrion with Bronn again dammit!! That was my favorite duo they were hilarious!

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    90. Alvaricomg:

      so Sansa will be in charge now, does it make her QITN or Queen Regent, Lady Regent or Just the Lady of the North? God, titles are so confussing xD I Don’t know who Dany handles it hahaha.

      She will be none of those as Bran is going to be in Winterfell as seen from the previous filming pics. As Ned’s eldest son, Bran is Lord of Winterfell.

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    91. Laura,

      These quotes are stunning, totally forgot about those, also I love the one that says a wolf howled in the distance and she began feeling sad. I love how subtle George was with these hints connecting Jon and Dany, their stories are so beautifully interwoven it makes even the coldest heart melt. You’d have to be made of stone not to see how beautiful their story could be, especially if it’s played out rightfully and tastefully by the writers.
      No matter what their destinies have in store for them, allies, family, lovers, married, I am as excited to see those two on screen together as I have been for 6 years now, maybe even more so.

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    92. selena,
      yes!! they added more photos! Now we can see the dothraki and Jon has two direwolves in his armour. 🙂

      Emilia wasn’t there. It’s only Liam, Kit and Nathalie there.

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    93. Kargaryen:
      I thought we had past this are we still discussing Dany making Jon kneel? It’s been like 4 posts and 1000 messages, guys.

      Dothraki extras https://twitter.com/jsptrading/status/789447455700054017

      Thank you! I love speculating as much as the next fan but when it keeps going in circles about the same tired argument, it becomes tedious. We’re seeing filming unfold before our very eyes and we know where the story is going with Daenerys and Jon uniting their forces against the White Walkers. All the little political details in between seem much less important really. Their romance is even less important to me though I’m fine with it.

      I look forward to their first meeting scene, it will be great to finally see these two characters with so many parallels in their life stories come together and face the coming of winter as a strong force.

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    94. M,

      Yes! Looks a little fishy to me!! And then up at the top of the same shot under the right end of the awning…there is someone with possibly a white one? And then is that Yara and Theon standing next to the person with the white head cover??? Do we know where they are right now? It’s so blurry but the one on the right looks like Theon to me!

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    95. jdtargstark,

      This should be in the first episodes of the season I suppose by the end of the season they have warmer clothes. Plus they are in the South. They will keep filming until february, and possibly in Iceland so they will definetly get new outfits.

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    96. Envie: Thank you! I love speculating as much as the next fan but when it keeps going in circles about the same tired argument, it becomes tedious. We’re seeing filming unfold before our very eyes and we know where the story is going with Daenerys and Jon uniting their forces against the White Walkers. All the little political details in between seem much less important really. Their romance is even less important to me though I’m fine with it.

      I look forward to their first meeting scene, it will be great to finally see these two characters with so many parallels in their life stories come together and face the coming of winter as a strong force.

      and why even assume that this supposed leak should be true. Most ist probably just made up.

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    97. LUKA!! You are on fire! Thanks very much!

      It’s completely surreal for me to see Jon, Davos and Missandei in the same picture! I am beyond happy that Jon is in a non-North location, but to be actually on DRAGONSTONE, is simply AWESOME! 🙂 And dressed so well!

      If Davos is going on secret missions with Tyrion by Episode 5, Jon and Davos arrive at Dragonstone before that. And Daenerys sets up base there even before that! The season will move at breakneck speed!

      Also, I don’t think Emilia is inside that little Church! Yes, Daenerys is likely inside the building, but interior shots will be filmed in a studiosomewhere.

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    98. Charlie Stark,

      It’s not a reunion, it is a meeting that may one day turn into a union. But they’ve never met before and we have no point of reference on how they will react to each other past wild imaginative speculation.

      If we are going to take any cues, they should be taken from the actual show not irrationally based ideas fed by fear of the unknown.

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    99. Charlie Stark:
      This is my two cents about this reunion:

      If Dany make Jon bend the need ( marry ) in change for her aid in the wars to come… she is not a good leader.
      in her many titles is The PROTECTOR OF THE REALM is her duty to fulfilled,she had Dragons (big guns of destruction) they can make the difference in the survival of all the people in Westeros and the people she brought with her.an example of fulfilled that Duty in the showwas what Stannis did, he saw the priority of the situation ans went North to help and not South to pursuit and Iron Chair.

      if the NK wins all this political plots if for nothing….

      as for the people the want a romance/marrybetween Jon and Dany they can get together but not after they defeated the Long night.

      btw I love Kit’s new outfit

      I disagree. That makes Dany smart. Even if she has all intentions of helping him defeat the WW (provided Jon can convince her the threat is real) it’s good politics for her to try and get the most out of the deal to cement herself Queen of the Seven Kingdoms if they manage to survive it. It just shows she is looking beyond this threat, and is putting herself in the best position possible if they survive it.

      It doesn’t mean she’s not worried about the people, or that she’ll only help if she gets something out of the deal, but she can let Jon believe that. If she and Jon are engaging in politics, she doesn’t have to put all her cards out on the table. I would hope Jon wouldn’t do the same, but he’s very earnest, and honorable and probably just wants whatever help he can get and if what Dany’s asking isn’t too outrageous, I imagine he’ll comply, as he’s less adept at politics.

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    100. A King hasn’t even taken so much as a small entourage with him on such a risky trip? What kind of a King is he? How can the Northern Lords allow this? Going to meet another ruler, they know next to nothing about, who has dragons and huge armies all alone? And he’s without Longclaw? And no soldiers? That’s dumb. It’s a poor man’s King.

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    101. Geralt of Rivia:

      Yaga,

      Oh then, Jon in theory could offer her help but it wouldn’t really make sense knowing her numbers, supply, army. Northerns wouldn’t that much of a difference and logistics. Jon would be foolish to think of this but then what he has to offer besides his title.

      Knowledge. That’s what Jon gives Dany. He is the only reason she knows that her kingdom (as she sees it) is facing an apocalypse and they need to prepare for it. He will not only be able to tell her about the WWs, he can also tell her how they can be killed, he can tell her about the best way to kill wights, he can inform her of the immense value of all the dragonglass that is there in Dragonstone, all of which she is completely oblivious to. All of which is going to contribute to protecting a lot of lives.

      So, he does bring her something important, no?

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    102. Geralt of Rivia:
      Laura,

      That bit from ACOK sound a lot like Jon but it’s a bit vague. But bit about Val is not really connected to Dany. A bit stretch.

      I would probably mention “Off in the distance, a wolf howled. The sound made her feel sand and lonely.” ADWD

      That happened two chapters after Jon’s stabbing.

      Yaga,

      Oh then, Jon in theory could offer her help but it wouldn’t really make sense knowing her numbers, supply, army. Northerns wouldn’t that much of a difference and logistics. Jon would be foolish to think of this but then what he has to offer besides his title.

      The ASOS quote should go next to this quote from Dany’s first chapter:

      The old woman washed her long, silver-pale hair and gently combed out the snags, all in silence. The girl scrubbed her back and her feet and told her how lucky she was.

      The quote with the wolf howling goes well with Jon’s last thought as he’s dying:

      “Jon fell to his knees. He found the dagger’s hilt and wrenched it free. In the cold night air the wound was smoking. “Ghost,” he whispered. Pain washed over him. Stick them with the pointy end. When the third dagger took him between the shoulder blades, he gave a grunt and fell face-first into the snow. He never felt the fourth knife. Only the cold … “

      There are a few more instances:

      DAENERYS ADWD

      “There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. “

      They both long to have children:

      JON ASOS

      “I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall.” When considering Stannis offer to become Lord of Winterfell, which he rejects.

      DAENERYS ADWD

      “I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons.”

      JON ADWD

      “He might as well wish for another thousand men, and maybe a dragon or three.”

      DAENERYS V AGOT

      “The khals face did not often betray the thoughts within.”

      TYRION II AGOT

      “Tyrion notes that Jon has the traditional Stark face in everything but name long, solemn and guarded a face that gives nothing away.”

      The face is shadows:

      DAENERYS ACOK

      Lying abed in her narrow bunk, she found herself wondering how it would be to have a man squeezed in beside her in place of her handmaid, and the thought was more exciting than it should have been. Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow.

      JON AGOT

      Tyrion Lannister had claimed that most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it, but Jon was done with denials. He was who he was; Jon Snow, bastard and oathbreaker, motherless, friendless, and damned. For the rest of his life –however long that might be– he would be condemned to be an outsider, the silent man standing in the shadows who dares not speak his true name

      MELISANDRE ADWD

      The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain

      We could be reading the signs wrong but they seem to hint at a more romantic relationship.

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    103. ghost of winterfell: Knowledge. That’s what Jon gives Dany. He is the only reason she knows that her kingdom (as she sees it) is facing an apocalypse and they need to prepare for it. He will not only be able to tell her about the WWs, he can also tell her how they can be killed, he can tell her about the best way to kill wights, he can inform her of the immense value of all the dragonglass that is there in Dragonstone, all of which she is completely oblivious to. All of which is going to contribute to protecting a lot of lives.

      So, he does bring her something important, no?

      It’s the most important thing. The extensive knowledge and experience. Geralt of Rivia simply has a really poor opinion on Jon, every single one of his comments is a jab at him so there you have it.

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    104. maeve

      We only see Jon and Davos walking down some stairs. For all we really know, Jon’s soldiers are holding/currently in Dragonstone while Dany’s wait in that building. Jon could have come south to get the dragonglass, only for everyone to be surprised by Dany’s arrival. We certainly don’t know that Jon only came south to meet Dany.

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    105. maeve:
      A King hasn’t even taken so much as a small entourage with him on such a risky trip? What kind of a King is he? How can the Northern Lords allow this? Going to meet another ruler, they know next to nothing about, who has dragons and huge armies all alone? And he’s without Longclaw? And no soldiers? That’s dumb. It’s a poor man’s King.

      These are exterior shots – there may be interiors that feature a bigger entourage than just Davos, in which case it is possible that we would only see the remainder of Jon’s men in interior shots filmed in Belfast as the Dragonstone interior sets from previous seasons were based there.

      It would seem that the two of them are taking a walk (possibly to ensure privacy) on the battlements. This is likely after their arrival, and so presumably Longclaw is in whichever chamber Jon has been given. I am assuming that this location was chosen to serve solely as an exterior for what will be the surroundings of Dragonstone.

      Jon has never been one for showcasing the trappings of leadership. He changed very little in his dress etc when Lord Commander, and didn’t have anyone other than Olly serving him. His new armor is simple, yet shows that he intends to be a warrior king (the current situation requires it). Jon clearly feels that this is an alliance that must be formed in person, and that is why he has gone to Dragonstone.

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    106. ghost of winterfell: Knowledge. That’s what Jon gives Dany. He is the only reason she knows that her kingdom (as she sees it) is facing an apocalypse and they need to prepare for it. He will not only be able to tell her about the WWs, he can also tell her how they can be killed, he can tell her about the best way to kill wights, he can inform her of the immense value of all the dragonglass that is there in Dragonstone, all of which she is completely oblivious to. All of which is going to contribute to protecting a lot of lives.

      So, he does bring her something important, no?

      I agree somewhat. But Jon’s knowledge is only as useful as his ability to convince people of this threat. In order to convince people he’s gonna have to divulge most of this information, so I’m not sure if it’s really something he can leverage. Looking at it from the perspective of the people who have spent most of their time in the South or in Essos, the idea of white walkers (Ice Zombies basically) seems really ridiculous, even with the presence of other magical forces in the realm. Maybe Dany will be more inclined to believe him since she’s had some pretty unbelievable experiences herself.

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    107. Lora,

      I think Tyrion will be crucial to Dany believing Jon. That trip that they took together to the Wall and the friendship that they formed there has to be for a reason. I think Tyrion will know that Jon is not BSing and his belief in Jon will convince Dany, at least enough to take him seriously and not just dismiss him out of hand.

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    108. Envie,

      Unfortunately it looks like those of us that wish to have good discussions about things like this will always be outnumbered by those that see anything that doesn’t fit their interpretation of a character as character assassination and as such will argue with anybody else that dare’s disagree with their opinion that Jon/Dany is the main character and therefore he/she should be worshipped by every character.

      Any sign that a character shows development that doesn’t agree with what they want will be met with constant arguing and bickering. It got tiring during the Jon/Sansa debates and is now beyond a joke due to the Jon/Dany debates.

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    109. maeve,

      This is the show, so he’ll show up with just Davos. Let’s be honest, Jon won’t get the upper hand in anything, especially when we know who he’s meeting.

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    110. Unbelievable. Who would have ever predicted back when Bermeo and Zumaia were announced that Jon and Davos would be the ones walking those steps three months later? It’s so great to see those two have a scene on their own again. Between this and Tyrion/Davos/Gendry yesterday, this is the first time since Season 5 that the North isn’t my most anticipated storyline.

      Add me to the list of people digging Jon’s southern fashion choices. That’s about as dressy as I would hope for from a northerner in a climate where mixing and matching cloaks is no longer an option.

      It’s also nice to have confirmation that yesterday’s scene took place during episode five. I’m hopeful that a few more directors will be spotted on the northern coast shoots so that we can get a clearer timeline of when Jon and Davos arrive on Dragonstone. I’m also curious to see where in Spain Gwendoline turns up, since Brienne is supposed to be appearing with Davos in at least one dragon pit scene. If she’s part of the Italica shoot but not the Basque shoots, it sounds like she heads south on her own.

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    111. selena,

      Cool photos. Aren’t those spear-bearing Dothrakis behind Davos and Jon in the last one?

      Man, this is going to be superbad! (For you younger viewers, that’s 1970’s slang for radical. The kids still say radical don’t they?) 😉

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    112. It’s nice to see Kit and Liam get the opportunity to film in Spain. I’d say Kit has earned it after six seasons of filming fight scenes in the mud in Northern Ireland and freezing his face off in Iceland! And of course, the narrative implications of this journey – the fact that he’s visiting the ancient Targaryen seat once held by his father and is soon to meet the Dragon Queen – is exciting as well. As recently as a few weeks ago, I had assumed that Jon would spend most or all of Season 7 dealing with the internal politics of the North, perhaps meeting Dany in the finale. I’m not entirely sure what his departure means for Sansa and Littlefinger in the North, but I’m very intrigued by the new possibilities that this direction offers!

      Missandei’s new costume looks badass. So does Jon’s, for that matter. Seven seasons in, Michelle Clapton continues to raise the bar with her brilliant work.

      That piece of news about Matt Shakman directing Episode 5 is the first confirmation that we’ve had matching a director to a given episode. I know that there was an interview with Jeremy Podeswa a while back that seemed to hint that he would direct the first two episodes. That makes since, but as far as I know, it hasn’t been confirmed.

      Since Shakman’s the only first-time director this season, my guess would be that he’ll be the one who only directs one episode. That could be wrong, of course, but my working guess is that Jeremy Podeswa directs Episodes 1 and 2, Mark Mylod directs Episodes 3 and 4, Shakman directs Episode 5, and Alan Taylor helms Episode 6 and 7.

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    113. ghost of winterfell,

      My dumb mistake. Completely forgot the most important thing. You’re right.

      But as it was said here, it might be like poker game. Who gives up first. Dany might try to get the best deal possible, Jon same. Some sort of compromise would be good.

      maeve,

      Brienne is for sure there too. Some Starks soldies will go with them like with Cat to Renly and others. Normal but we just don’t see them here. He’s got Longclaw, they might took it or he put him elsewhere as sign of that he trusts them. That’s why doesn’t need to carry sword with himself.

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    114. Can something not be done by the mods or anything so as to stop the same arguments that occur in every single article. It is already beyond a joke that the same users dominant the comments with the same arguments every single day. Why should anyone who wants to have a conversation bother when other users would probably jump down their throats.

      And just saying I wish Jon had stayed dead. That way all these stupid arguments would have been avoided (probably – but most likely not).

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    115. Jack,

      You get a gold star. Best post I’ve read in this thread.

      Jon and Davos look terrific walking down that epic staircase. And Missandei looks epic in her new outfit. 🙂

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    116. Is anyone else completely incapable of getting work done with these amazing spoilers filtering in one by one? I agree with you, Jack. Some people are only happy when they are complaining about something. It’s pure lunacy.

      The Jon/Dany marriage/alliance has been foreshadowed HEAVILY in the books and show. How can anyone be pissed off by these two BEAUTIFUL people coming together? Not to mention how painfully obvious it is the dragons need to be used against the Army of the Dead.

      Davos + Gendry, Tyrion + Jon, Jamie + Tyrion. All the potential reunions hinted at in these photos/videos will be GOLDEN.

      Thanks for the distractions, Luka!

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    117. Missandei looks sick! I’m loving her new outfit, slightly more military and masculine(pants) while still looking very feminine.

      Now, where is my Queen!? We need to see her outfit.

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    118. O.M.G!! Jon Snow on Dragonstone!!! I knew it was coming but, holy balls!, seeing visual evidence makes so unimaginably happy. The last 2 Targaryens, TOGETHER, at their ancestral home. I know Jon won’t know the significance of Dragonstone as it pertains to him but seeing him strolling the grounds of where Rhaegar once lived is awesome. I’m grinning like a loon, lol.

      And Davos is back on Dragonstone! He spent so much time there with Stannis, how must he feel returning with a new King and meeting with the Dragon Queen.

      As for Jon’s “new” outfit – I’m not seeing anything new about it, except for the metal thing around his should/neck. It’s similar to the one Robb wore in S2 (and Bran wore a similar one in WF a few times). But the rest of the outfit looks to be the same Stark armor he wore from 6×04 onward. Maybe it looks a little darker, but that could be because of the angle and the way the sunlight is hitting it. And the manbun returns!! Will we ever see the luscious curls again?

      Not surprised to see Jon does not have Longclaw on him. He may be a guest of Dany but until she knows more about him (and trusts him) there’s no way she’ll allow him to wander Dragonstone with his weapon. At least Jon and Davos appear to be free to wander the grounds and interact with Missandei without restraints and armed guards; well, except for those 2 Dothraki, but they seem to be more on watch duty than Jon and Davos guard duty.

      This week I’ve woken up every morning to amazing spoilers. It feels like Christmas has come 2 months early. Thank you so much, WOTW!! You make this long wait for S7 bearable.

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    119. Flora Linden,

      Cheers 🙂

      I don’t comment rarely on the internet anyway. Now I remember why. Ah well I guess. A shame really as most of the users here (even some of the hardcore Jon/Dany/Sansa fans) will have a great adult discussion. It’s just those few who disagree that ruin it for everyone else.

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    120. Flayed Potatoes:
      maeve,

      This is the show, so he’ll show up with just Davos. Let’s be honest, Jon won’t get the upper hand in anything, especially when we know who he’s meeting.

      I forgot, GOT’s now all about the women on top, the women being better and more powerful and assertive and so on. Men are nothing but submissive weaklings.

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    121. H.Stark,

      The stupid man – Jon Snow should really be surrounded by an entourage of at least fifty guards, Lady Mormont, Ghost, Davos and Brienne before going anywhere. What a stupid king he is. (Sarcasm btw).

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    122. If missandei’s costume is this awesome and badass ..imagine how it will be for daenerys ..can’t wait to see that.

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    123. Kargaryen,

      Dany’s first order of business when she got to Dragonstone:Okay everybody needs to be in black and I will be in red.We need to look the part here fashion is fundamental lol.

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    124. BunBunStark,

      You’re here!! I wonder if we’ll get many conversations about Rhaegar or references to him. Will Varys talk about him? I’m really curious to know what role Varys will play.

      I thought his shirt underneath the armor looked different too, but maybe it’s because we’re finally not stuck with that ugly blue filter lol.

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    125. The area they filmed today will be closed for the public until sunday. Maybe they aren’t done with filmig there yet.

      I’m excited for the filming in Zumaia. They did some changes there so something interesting might be coming!

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    126. SerNoName: She will be none of those as Bran is going to be in Winterfell as seen from the previous filming pics. As Ned’s eldest son, Bran is Lord of Winterfell.

      She is still the Lady of WF and the Dreadfort, just not Queen of anything.

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    127. Where is Brienne though? Earlier spoilers that she and Davos will be at the Dragonpit would indicate that she came South with them, no?

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    128. maeve,

      Sure every single one of my comments is jab at Jon. Go and ask dragonbinder how we debated here Jon and Dany.

      H.Stark,

      The media could not be played.

      BunBunStark,

      Agree with it, especially the part with him not carrying his sword. He might be guest but relatively a stranger. Just one thing. Dany is 100% Targ but Jon by all means might be only bastard, so in reality 50% each Stark and Targaryen. Wondering wher is Tyrion but probably with Dany, but Missandei is not.

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    129. Aryamad,

      Poor Lord Friendzone. Someone should knit him a sweater. I’d volunteer if I knew how. If he shows up where I think he will with the same clothes, I’ll die laughing.

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    130. Oh wow, Missandei looks pretty badass too in her new outfit. Nathalie Emmanuel is one beautiful woman.

      I notice that Jon and Davos seem to be just hanging around talking, while Dothraki guards hang around in the background.

      This suggests that they’re either just about to be introduced to Daenerys/Tyrion and are discussing how to approach things or they have been at this location for a while and are comfortable just wandering around the place discussing their plans.

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    131. dragonbringer:
      If missandei’s costume is this awesome and badass ..imagine how it will be for daenerys ..can’t wait to see that.

      I know, right!? If Missandei is wearing this more militaristic outfit, considering the situation I’d think Daenerys would also be wearing something in that order as well but even cooler. Seeing as how the others appear to wearing black/dark cloaks I’d love to see her with a red one.

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    132. Gaztelugatxe is one, Zumaia should be next for Kit? Am I right?

      I imagine most of Jon and Dany scenes will be indoors in Belfast, maybe some outdoors.

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    133. Jack Bauer 24,

      Looks like. I don’t get too bothered by some of the things that always seem to bother other people about D&D or the show. But I must say it’s disappointing to see this Jon/Sansa tension thing they themselves wanted to keep teasing over and over and over and over and then over some more…doesn’t seem like it’s going to amount to much. Purpose of teasing that then was what?

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    134. Loving Missandei’s new costume – it looks a lot more martial (which is fitting, given that Daenerys has taken her off to war again) and given that Nathalie Emmanuel looked absolutely frozen in the final scene of 610, I am sure that it will be more suited to the Westerosi climate than her last outfit.

      Meant to add earlier that Davos being there is great – of all the characters I think we will see on Dragonstone, he knows it best. Daenerys may have been born there, but Davos served Stannis there for years. And his knowledge of the island should come in useful when they start mining the place for dragonglass.

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    135. Unfortunately those leaks seem to have at least some credibility. It is a shame really, for the story to end going into full fanservice mode. Just shows you how casual fans ( who make the majority always ) and the noise they make through the social media and the internet in general, can ruin something so unique. Again, unfortunately when they started moving from the books, things went downhill. Game of Thrones became so popular because it was so different from the usual fantasy stories. Dark, twisted, full of unexpected ( for the non bookreaders ) developments.

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    136. I’m just ready to see THE QUEEN! Where is Emilia??? After seeing Missandei in wicked new black threads, I’m so hype to see what Daenerys will be adorned in!

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    137. Missandei’s outfit is like a dream!!! A non-warrior woman in WESTEROS, dressed like that! Gasp! The Lords and Ladies don’t know what’s coming!

      Jack: Can something not be done by the mods or anything so as to stop the same arguments that occur in every single article. It is already beyond a joke that the same users dominant the comments with the same arguments every single day. Why should anyone who wants to have a conversation bother when other users would probably jump down their throats.

      Thumbs up! The same tiresome arguments, by a handful of people, is beyond tiresome. They seem incapable of enjoying these extremely exciting spoilers because of the dread that their inner fantasies may not be coming true. It really drags things down for the rest of us.

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    138. Has anyone thought the scene we are all waiting for (Jon Dany first meeting) might already have been filmed indoors in Ireland? They were both in Belfast same dates and they were filming indoors. Who’s to say they haven’t already filmed together?

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    139. maeve,

      Not true at all…the one thing he is against or don’t want to happen is jon and dany marrying or falling in love that’s why he is fighting against every chance he gets it .
      Even in the case of jon bending knee he makes jon who doesn’t care about power or not prideful and the one who will sacrifice a anything for his people…

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    140. If Davos and Tyrion are infiltrating KL in 705, then Jon and Davos’ arrival at Dragonstone really can’t be any later than 704 — Jon and Dany meeting for the first time will be an episode unto itself. In turn, Jon and Davos must depart Winterfell no later than 703, in my estimation.

      It would seem like the Sansa/Littlefinger story this season is more likely to be about him urging her to usurp Jon’s throne while he’s absent.

      I also wonder, depending on the timing of Jon’s departure, if this is meant to avoid him meeting Bran this season, if the writers don’t yet want him to know what Bran knows.

      Finally, these latest photos seem to confirm that Brienne doesn’t travel south with Jon and Davos, so if she’s at the Dragonpit at the end of the season, she must go south later.

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    141. Also notable, it doesn’t look like there are any notable additions to Dany’s entourage, at least going by this, so it doesn’t seem like Olenna, Ellaria, etc. are hanging out with her.

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    142. Rex,

      Exactly! D&D have ruined everything, the show sucks, every development is now fan service, GRRM hates them, the books are going to be entirely different, Jon and Dany will never meet, the White Walkers will kill everyone and Varys is a merman.

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    143. Since when does WOTW put big spoilers in the headline??! Like Dee Stark and a few others, I occasionally scan to get a little GOT fix but have carefully avoided the stories with spoilers. So I didn’t read this one or the comments, but the headline was enough and I can’t unsee it 🙁

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    144. dragonbringer,

      But they’re probably going this route. Not to my liking but not gonna throw hate on D&D, since they’re going as George told them. Much better than Jon and Sansa or Arya. Might be even good scenes, as their chemistry at least in interviews is fine. Really want to see see two strong individuals interacting, that’s why am excited.

      Jon really doesn’t care about pride and titles. Given what he saw, he went through. In the books Jon was a bit more ambitious, but it was all befoe death and resurrection. Part of how Jon might be a changed man, he might just want to live.

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    145. Geralt of Rivia,

      Or maybe that quote from ACOK just tells us that at that point Daenerys, who is a young teenager (about 14 years old), still has dreams of a pretty young man as her perfect husband, something all teenagers go through just to realise that a man can be attractive without being a pretty boy.
      Occam’s razor, folks.

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    146. Spoiled,

      I think I was quite careful with spoilers. The picture only shows Jon and Davos together, which isn’t a spoiler at all, and the title only says Jon is filming with other main characters. How is that a spoiler?

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    147. Sean C.:
      Also notable, it doesn’t look like there are any notable additions to Dany’s entourage, at least going by this, so it doesn’t seem like Olenna, Ellaria, etc. are hanging out with her.

      They could just be indoors.

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    148. Sean C.: I also wonder, depending on the timing of Jon’s departure, if this is meant to avoid him meeting Bran this season, if the writers don’t yet want him to know what Bran knows.

      I think you’re right. And honestly could be a hint that something significant will happen with Jon and Dany that may be more than just allies. Seems as if they’re setting up a story where they’re intentionally keeping Jon from Bran in season 7 so that he doesn’t have the knowledge of who he is going into the initial meeting with Dany and getting to know Dany. But by season 8 when he does get reunited with Bran and learns this information…what is the status of Jon and Dany’s relationship? It does seem like they’re setting up the possibility of a moral dilemma for Jon Snow, perhaps that third treason “for love” from Dany’s book version of the House of the Undying.

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    149. Sean C.:
      Also notable, it doesn’t look like there are any notable additions to Dany’s entourage, at least going by this, so it doesn’t seem like Olenna, Ellaria, etc. are hanging out with her.

      We have not had a sighting of Emilia on set either. Maybe indoors scene for the ladies. I don’t see Olena and her bad hips navigating those steps. LOL.

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    150. Rhaenys Stark,

      Books are and will be diffrent in many ways. That’s what D&D said but key events like Jon meeting Dany, Cersei hopefully dying, Stark reunion happening. Both how we’re going to get there and all that will be different. Just like Jon’s resurrection will be a bit different, as George was not happy with show’s version of it. Again words from D&D.

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    151. Sean C.:

      I also wonder, depending on the timing of Jon’s departure, if this is meant to avoid him meeting Bran this season, if the writers don’t yet want him to know what Bran knows.

      This is what I believe as well. They don’t want Jon to know about R+L before he meets Dany and develops a relationship with her, and they don’t want him to have any new WW intel too soon. It’s possible Bran might also have more he needs to learn.

      Which makes me wonder when he’ll find out about his parentage and how.

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    152. Rhaenys Stark,

      Care to compare the first 4 seasons of GOT with seasons 5-6? The first 4 seasons ( that mostly used material from the books ) made TV history. Season 5-6 were all about fanservicing the people that cheered for the Big 4 ( Jon-Dany-Tyrion-Arya ) with some cheap plot twists in the way. I don’t blame D&D. Numbers talk. And all the fans that want the Disney ending are far more than the ones that prefer the spirit of the book. Evil Cersei dies. Evil Littlefinger dies. Jon and Dany ride the unicorns….sorry, the dragons and wipe out the WWs, Tyrion becomes the wise man of Westeros and Arya the ultimate badass. Happy?

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    153. orange,

      She doesn’t have to take it from him.When has Jon ever carried around his sword in non danger places?He never had it in castle black or winterfell.If he is staying in Dragonstone why would he carry it around the castle?

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    154. Luka Nieto,

      Basically says Jon is in the south. He’s never filmed in Spain before. Sorry didn’t mean to sound like a big critic, love this site, I imagine this news will be picked up by mainstream media and hard to avoid for a year anyway… I just wanted to try to go back to first few seasons (before I read the books or found the fan sites) when I had no idea what was coming.

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    155. Rex:
      Unfortunately those leaks seem to have at least some credibility. It is a shame really, for the story to end going into full fanservice mode. Just shows you how casual fans ( who make the majority always ) and the noise they make through the social media and the internet in general, can ruin something so unique. Again, unfortunately when they started moving from the books, things went downhill. Game of Thrones became so popular because it was so different from the usual fantasy stories. Dark, twisted, full of unexpected ( for the non bookreaders ) developments.

      I cant really believe it that so many really believe the whole leak. I still think half of is is made up. He might know some things, but not everything will be like he claims to be.

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    156. Newbietothegame: I assume Robert wad buried in the Sept, maybe with his hammer. Maybe Gendry found it. I know…I know…LOL.

      Back in Season 3 (“And Now His Watch Is Ended”), Cersei speaks with Olenna and confirms that Robert was not buried in the Great Sept of Baelor – he wanted his remains returned to Storm’s End. If Robert’s warhammer was interred with him, then someone would need to travel to the Stormlands to retrieve it. If it wasn’t buried with him, then I suppose it could still be in the Red Keep’s armory. But it seems unlikely that Gendry would risk sneaking in there to get it – someone inside the castle would need to retrieve it for him. Not sure who that would be.

      I think it’s more likely that Gendry forged this warhammer on his own, since he knows his parentage now. But I guess we’ll see. It would certainly be powerful to have Gendry wield the actual weapon that Robert used to slay Rhaegar, but it’s cool either way.

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    157. Geralt of Rivia,

      Iam not saying he is not ..simply pointing out how you view jon and that is not like how that poster mentioned it .

      Sean C.,

      This is something I have said longtime before ..

      That jon and dany will interact before knowing the truth about parentage and we all know how it will turn out ..

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    158. Spoiled,

      Sorry about that. Since the Basque Country, or these locations in particular, don’t look like southern Westeros very much, I didn’t think people would assume it meant he was going south.

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    159. Hopefully people will be able to film or make photos at Zumaia like here at Gaztelugatxe and manage to capture Jon, Dany and Tyrion. Best would be their scenes or just them at set together. But of course if it is possible, don’t know how the place looks like, and opportunities for photos and filming.

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    160. Geralt of Rivia,

      I suppose you understand I was being sarcastic. Well, if he wasn’t happy he should have finished the book sooner, so we could compare the two versions and complain after. Anyway, these arguments lead to nowhere. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, of course. I always believed and keep believing that D&D are doing an excellent job with some impossibly difficult to adapt material. And since we have no material to compare with S6-S8, I don’t understand why people keep insisting that D&D have ruined the show. A lot of things from the last two seasons will surely be in TWOW and ADOS.

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    161. Rex,

      The story has to end at sometime and its going in logical way and things set up from the start coming to fruition and complete ..

      The expectations such as this is the reason why the books are now such a mess and GrRm is no where near to finish such a wonderful series..

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    162. Sean C.:
      Also notable, it doesn’t look like there are any notable additions to Dany’s entourage, at least going by this, so it doesn’t seem like Olenna, Ellaria, etc. are hanging out with her.

      They could just be indoors.

      Rex:
      Rhaenys Stark,

      Care to compare the first 4 seasons of GOT with seasons 5-6? The first 4 seasons ( that mostly used material from the books ) made TV history. Season 5-6 were all about fanservicing the people that cheered for the Big 4 ( Jon-Dany-Tyrion-Arya ) with some cheap plot twists in the way. I don’t blame D&D. Numbers talk. And all the fans that want the Disney ending are far more than the ones that prefer the spirit of the book. Evil Cersei dies. Evil Littlefinger dies. Jon and Dany ride the unicorns….sorry, the dragons and wipe out the WWs, Tyrion becomes the wise man of Westeros and Arya the ultimate badass. Happy?

      Seasons 5 and 6 were the Emmy winners…

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    163. taim,

      Initially, I thought….no way. It was so bad, even for fanfiction! But then, the guy did mention stuff that now seems to be happening ( Davos-Tyrion- Jon, Dragonstone ).

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    164. avdar,

      Confiscated? 😀 Sure thing, it’s Jon’s sword. He earned it.

      Rhaenys Stark,

      Hard to tell who is and is not sarcastic. Key events and lot of them will be in TWoW or ADoS but some people simply hate the fact that show will give us ending before the books. It will be very close to books, not fanfic from D&D as they’re in touch with George. Not only it must be part of deal George made woth HBO to be helpful to them but also it’s in his own interest to se GoT doing well.

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    165. Should I say.,
      lucky greyworm or poor greyworm

      Now where is Daenerys Jelmazmo

      Small knitpick I would have preferred unsullied guarding the walls and
      since dothraki are wearing furs we can put rest to those arguments..dothraki and dany are wise enough to dress accordingly to the weather…I know its a shocker right.

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    166. dragonbringer,

      That’s the thing you see, if we can predict the logical way, then the series has lost it’s magic! That’s my personal opinion on the matter.

      And yes, I agree. GRRM left the books hanging for way too long.

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    167. I was so happy to read these spoilers and then I decided to read the comments, thank god some are so amazing but others…..I dont know if some are trolls or not but it’s something so annoying, they ruin the experience of reading the comments. If you dont like the tv show then stay reading the books dont come here and just ruin the fun for everybody.

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    168. Tobin: Missandei looks hot omg

      I’m thinking that Brienne shows up at dragonpit with Sansa, seeing as she didn’t go with Jon and Davos. Brienne is Sansa’s swornsword

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    169. Jack:

      Oh god. Can imagine the horror when Jon/Dany kneels in front of Dany/Jon.

      Yep, exactly. 🙂

      Sansa’s response to Septa Mordane in S1 is the best way to handle the occasional craziness. 😉

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    170. Flora Linden,

      These constants arguments make me not even want to watch the show anymore – I am that fed up. Add on to that problems at home and well I don’t want anything to do with this constant arguing. A shame really as it is one of my favourite shows. Ah well least I have Westworld and Star Wars Rebels to keep me entertained and the first six seasons of Thrones.

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    171. dragonbringer,

      It was always the case Dothraki would have to be wearing proper clothes for Westerosi weather but most of the time it was aimed at winter and how they’re going to do in these conditions. Same with Unsullied. They never saw a snowflake in their life. Just wonder, how Unsullied will be dressed, what improvement.

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    172. Sean C.,

      I guess this means Brienne will be sent south by Sansa, to meet Dany? I wonder why would Sansa do that. Or maybe she is sent south for some other reason and decides to meet Dany on her own.

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    173. Flora Linden: Yep, exactly. ?

      Sansa’s response to Septa Mordane in S1 is the best way to handle the occasional craziness.?

      if that is true I am going to vomit. These comments about this issue are annoying as hell.

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    174. ghost of winterfell,

      Either Sansa sends her on a messenger errand of some sort, or Brienne goes south because Sansa herself does. In either case, obviously there’d need to be a reason; possibly to update on how things have shaken down in the North?

      It doesn’t look like Brienne’s going to have much of a part in Jaime’s story this season, though, if her arrival is late in the season.

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    175. So the fact that there was no Grey Worm sighting as of yet in Dragonstone makes me think that he could have indeed been ordered to take some troops and help to fight the war against the Lannisters from the South together with the Martells and Tyrells.

      And then the scene in the Dragonpit would be from later in the season when Dany will have taken KL or at least sieged the Red Keep (but I remember that there would be a huge parade-scene in KL, so I guess she will have conquered it by the end).

      And yes,

      icequinn: I’m thinking that Brienne shows up at dragonpit with Sansa, seeing as she didn’t go with Jon and Davos.

      that would be fantastic, because I’ve always been in favour for a Dany-Sansa meeting, also I want Sansa and Tyrion to meet again.
      Bran could certainly convince his sister that they would’t be safe in Winterfell with the impendent WW invasion, so there could be a mass exodus from the North. LF is still Lord of Harrenhal, so there you go for a huge refugee camp…

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    176. icequinn: I’m thinking that Brienne shows up at dragonpit with Sansa, seeing as she didn’t go with Jon and Davos.Brienne is Sansa’s swornsword

      I read somewhere that a gossip site had mentioned that Sophie Turner would turn up in Spain for filming. But I don’t feel it very likely that both Jon and Sansa would leave Winterfell to go south after all they went through to get it back.

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    177. Missandei looks bad ass in her new trends.

      Love the new armor for Jon. Would like to get a better look at the direwolves and see what other details are on there. It seems everybody in the South is getting new clothes (except Davos) and the North is still stuck in the same drab clothing. They need some change too. I know its easier to get information on what is happening in the south right now (I’m sure D&D are thrilled…not), but I would like to get more information on what the Starks are up to.

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    178. icequinn: I’m thinking that Brienne shows up at dragonpit with Sansa, seeing as she didn’t go with Jon and Davos.Brienne is Sansa’s swornsword

      Brienne is Sansa’s swornsword, yes, which can also mean she can send Brienne to Dragonpit alone without her just like what she did back in season 6 (remember Riverrun?)

      Rex:
      Rhaenys Stark,

      Care to compare the first 4 seasons of GOT with seasons 5-6? The first 4 seasons ( that mostly used material from the books ) made TV history. Season 5-6 were all about fanservicing the people that cheered for the Big 4 ( Jon-Dany-Tyrion-Arya ) with some cheap plot twists in the way. I don’t blame D&D. Numbers talk. And all the fans that want the Disney ending are far more than the ones that prefer the spirit of the book. Evil Cersei dies. Evil Littlefinger dies. Jon and Dany ride the unicorns….sorry, the dragons and wipe out the WWs, Tyrion becomes the wise man of Westeros and Arya the ultimate badass. Happy?

      So basically you just want this:
      Evil Cersei lives. Evil Littlefinger lives. Jon and Dany lost the war and dies. No more unicorns…sorry the dragons. The WW wins and will finally rules Westeros with Cersei and Littlefinger. Tyrions jawdropped while sentenced to death by Cersei. And Arya will never make it to the end, she dies at the hand of Night King without being anything close to badass.
      Happy? 🙂
      I bet you prefer this kind of ending.

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    179. The person who claims they saw Emilia said she was leaving the set. If true, they possibly filmed Dany scenes inside that church then. Would explain why they covered some entrances of the building.

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    180. ghost of winterfell:
      Sean C.,

      I guess this means Brienne will be sent south by Sansa, to meet Dany? I wonder why would Sansa do that. Or maybe she is sent south for some other reason and decides to meet Dany on her own.

      Devils advocate…Does Sansa send her, or does Brienne see what LF is pulling (or trying to) and heads south herself to let Jon/Davos know whats going on? long shot, but Brienne could do this IF she thinks she is saving Sansa from making big mistake by running to tattle to big bro.

      best guess for me however is Sansa needs to give Jon some piece of info that she cant trust anyone but Brienne to deliver. Brienne arrives at the end of the season (maybe last episode) and her message sets up everyone heading North for season 8 and final battle with Nights King

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    181. There’s no source for the rumor about Sansa heading south. Just a poster on reddit claiming that an unexpected cast member (other than Kit) will film in Spain. Given that this same person was also adamant that Jon would not be accompanying Davos to Dragonstone, I think you can safely dismiss the rest. Of course, the Italica shoot in two weeks will certainly clear up quite a lot.

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    182. moiaf,

      We’re not upset about Jon and Dany being allies – that was always a given. It’s the incest spoilers that are an abomination and the fact that fan girls seem excited about that. That’s what has everyone in a uproar.

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    183. ghost of winterfell: I read somewhere that a gossip site had mentioned that Sophie Turner would turn up in Spain for filming. But I don’t feel it very likely that both Jon and Sansa would leave Winterfell to go south after all they went through to get it back.

      Well, once Bran and Arya are safely back in Winterfell, she might decide to go, perhaps Littlefinger has some new scheme in mind and convinces her to go with him.

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    184. It’s clear that the reason you don’t see Dany and that you see all of her council. She is captured by Euron “the dragon binder” Greyjoy. Dany gets close to kings landing via blackwater bay, and is trapped by Euron. We need another really bad guy.

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    185. Jack Sharpe,

      Aw, don’t give up yet – you’re almost at the finish line. Like elybe advised, just scroll. 🙂

      taim,

      Which issue are you referring to – the over analyzing or the comments on the over analyzing? If it’s the latter, I’m sorry. I’ll stop now, didn’t mean to annoy.

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    186. ghost of winterfell: I read somewhere that a gossip site had mentioned that Sophie Turner would turn up in Spain for filming. But I don’t feel it very likely that both Jon and Sansa would leave Winterfell to go south after all they went through to get it back.

      If Bran’s back (and maybe Arya), it’s not like there’s a lack of other Starks to leave in charge of things. Now, specifically why she’d need to go south, I don’t know.

      Fran:
      It seems everybody in the South is getting new clothes (except Davos) and the North is still stuck in the same drab clothing. They need some change too.

      Sansa is the only fashionista north of Moat Cailin.

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    187. ghost of winterfell,

      But I wonder if both are willing to separate? Without Brienne at Winterfell, will Jon be okay with leaving her behind? Under whose protection? Ghost? (Jon better not, Ghost must stay with him). Would Sansa be okay with staying behind with Little Finger whom she doesn’t truly trust? And would Sansa be okay with letting Jon make all the decisions without her input? I don’t really think so.

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    188. Luka Nieto,

      I’ll just pretend D&D are spending $$ to troll us with a mix of fake and real scenes so we really have no idea lalalalala
      Very happy for Kit though, must be a treat for him!

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    189. Kathy:
      moiaf,

      We’re not upset about Jon and Dany being allies – that was always a given.It’s the incest spoilers that are an abomination and the fact that fan girls seem excited about that.That’s what has everyone in a uproar.

      I have not seen an official WotW posting that this is happening. People need to take the drama to the site where they read this supposed spoiler and not bring it here and clutter the filming news threads with them.

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    190. It’s clear why there is no sign of Dany and everyone else is there. She is captured by Euron “Dragon Binder” Greyjoy. She almost makes it to King’s Landing, but is captured in Blackwater Bay.

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    191. Sean C.: If Bran’s back (and maybe Arya), it’s not like there’s a lack of other Starks to leave in charge of things.Now, specifically why she’d need to go south, I don’t know.

      Go on honeymoon with Littlefinger down the south?
      I doubt it tho.
      I feel like she will stay in the north and make some conflicts there. We already have enough troubles down in the south. Thanks to Cersei and Euron (okay, and Dany and Jon)

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    192. Winterstars,

      I specifically mentioned the first 4 seasons as part of the best in TV history. That has nothing to do with what you think I might want to see ( evil prevail ). I hope that now you get the idea of what I am actually trying to point out here. The dramatic and unexpected moments we experienced during the first 4 seasons cannot compare with the cheap fanservice of seasons 5 and 6. GRRM does not make a clear distinction between the good and the bad ( as you apparently do ). In his universe, most characters are ”grey”, with notable exceptions of course. But you don’t need to worry. Either way. D&D are going to give you the Disney ending that you seem to desire.

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    193. Kathy,

      the incest argument annoys me. If it was Sansa or Arya..yes there would be A LOT of issues and ick factor. They grew up as siblings and seeing the scene in season 1 where Jon gives Ayra Needle to a scene in later seasons of Jon and Arya as lovers would be an “abomination”.

      Dany/Jon would be different. Besides the fact the Targs constantly intermarried (and Westeros accepted it) Dany and Jon dont KNOW they are related. They are the male and female protagonist, whose storys have pretty much paralleled each other. It would be NORMAL , in ANY type of story, for these two characters to become involved.
      Yes they are going to met, yes there will be some form of sexual tension/romantic attachment. Its what 6 seasons of tv have been leading up to. Its the national progression of the story

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    194. Kathy:
      moiaf,

      We’re not upset about Jon and Dany being allies – that was always a given.It’s the incest spoilers that are an abomination and the fact that fan girls seem excited about that.That’s what has everyone in a uproar.

      I don’t know how to respond to this.

      It was always going to happen, the books have been pointing at this from the beginning as well as the show. I watched the first season before I read the books and it was plain as day to me that those two characters were coming together in a romantic manner. This just strengthen with each book/season.

      As for the “fan girls” being excited about it, which I include myself in, why are you bothered by it? This isn’t real life, this is a fantasy series. I’ve rooted for alien/human couple and the likes. I and many others can differentiate between a fictional tale and real life.

      I know these two character and I think they wold make a good couple, they would be good for each other. Given all their parallels they would be able to understand each other in a way no one else could understand them.

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    195. Dany has an army, Dany has dragons, but Dany is not queen of anything so why would Jon kneel to her at all. He is King in the North. If anything at this point they could become allies, but he would not be her subject.

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    196. Sean C.,

      If Arya is back at Winterfell but Sansa goes south, who would Arya interact with? There wouldn’t be anything for her to do. Bran, I suppose will be busy with his visions and being the 3eyed Raven. Arya and Bran interactions would not be that interesting since they barely have any connection between them, books or show. I don’t really think Sansa is going south, though nothing is impossible I guess.

      Danny,

      If Sansa sends Brienne south, it will be after Jon leaves, imo. So he won’t know anything about it. As for whether she would send Brienne away with LF there, maybe she feels more confident with Arya and Bran there. Besides, she herself would be confident that she can handle LF.

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    197. Rex:
      Winterstars,

      I specifically mentioned the first 4 seasons as part of the best in TV history. That has nothing to do with what you think I might want to see ( evil prevail ). I hope that now you get the idea of what I am actually trying to point out here. The dramatic and unexpected moments we experienced during the first 4 seasons cannot compare with the cheap fanservice of seasons 5 and 6. GRRM does not make a clear distinction between the good and the bad ( as you apparently do ). In his universe, most characters are ”grey”, with notable exceptions of course. But you don’t need to worry. Either way. D&D are going to give you the Disney ending that you desire.

      Wow amazing, seems like you know everything I don’t know yet.
      Even though they haven’t started to shoot for season 8 yet, you already know how this show will end.
      Just wow. I am speechless.

      (and don’t get me wrong. I’m not fan of season 6, despite I finally got R+L=J. But kinda okay with season 5 though)

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    198. Kathy,

      You are exaggerating. You know that, right? If Dany and Jon -having no knowledge of their DNA connection and never having met before, have sex is deemed such an abomination, what the hell is Jamie x Cersei and Craster’s raping of his daughters? What word do we then use for a true abomination? Look, I don’t like the idea of Jon and Dany getting romantically involved and not because I find it cliche, but because I would want someone else for Jon. Having said that, some people are just taking the whining to the intolerable level and what makes it worse is that they are crying over something that is yet to be proven true. In 2015 the reddit spoilers said that Tormund would die protecting Jon at Hardhome. He didn’t. Earlier this year, the reddit spoilers said that Bran would have a vision of a wedding of two major characters that would break the internet. He didn’t. Maybe people should leave the hyperventilating and the disowning of D&D and GOT after the actual episode/season airs?

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    199. Kathy,

      First of all stop using fangirls as an insult.Second of all like three people are in uproar and only one of them because it’s incest.Third of all if you are so scandalized by this kind of incest maybe this is not the story for you.

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    200. I think one of the reasons that Jon will meet with Dany is Sansa, Jon is a great warrior but Sansa can play the Game of Thrones, I guess she knows how powerful Dany can be and more with dragons, that most sure they will need to fight the white walkers. I can see Sansa counseling Jon about this meet. Besisdes Sansa has history with the Tyrell and Tyrion aka the Hand of the Queen and his first husband and probably the only Lannister that the respect and protect her.

      And if Brienne went south alone was most likely with a secret message to the KITN, maybe about Bran and Arya return to Winterfell

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    201. icequinn: I’m thinking that Brienne shows up at dragonpit with Sansa, seeing as she didn’t go with Jon and Davos.Brienne is Sansa’s swornsword

      1. for that to happen A Stark needs to be in WF or it’s empty so is Bran or Arya there?
      2. LF would have to be dead ( I so hope) Sansa would not leave him there alone.
      3. It’s sort of be foolish for Sansa to goto KL unless Cersei is gone.

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    202. Apparently, Davos does not attempt to bribe them with gold but with crabs that the smuggler promises are “aphrodisiac”. Of course he does. And of course it does not work, so Gendry has to whack them with his new warhammer…

      “Gendry you fool! I was about to offer them stuffed oysters!”

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    203. Why would Gendry forge a Stag hammer? Does he want to be a Baratheon? More likely its Robert’s right? Have Tyrion, Davos and Gendry infiltrated the Red Keep

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    204. Sean C.,

      You made some very good points: absence of Ollena and the Sand Snakes hints that Dragonstone will happen after Dany’s battle with Cersei and Euron, and the losses are going to be severe, which is also supported by the facial expressions of all the characters both in these photos and the earlier filming leaks. Just look at how concerned they are! But in this context the question “Where is Dany?” may be much more important than we think, especially taking into account that Missandei is on Dragonstone, and she is very sad, and it looks like she is going to have a conversation with KITN and his Hand on the stairs.
      I had this bad feeling since I saw Davos smuggling Tyrion into KL. Earlier I thought that Davos was destined to smuggle Dany, who will be going to KL to save dragons/Missandei/other captives or whatever. But now it looks like it’s gonna be visa versa: my prediction now is that Dany will be captured by Cersei during the battle (after she falls off the dragon), and Tyrion and Theon will lead the surviving fleet to Dragonstone, which will be under control of Jon and Davos at that point. And then it will be Dany’s rescue mission which will trigger a public revolt.
      As for the dragons, I don’t know, but I assume that they may be wounded and scared during the battle (Drogon may even die) and fly to Dragonstone to seek refuge on Dragonstone too.
      Please, someone talk me out of this crazy theory, cause it means that Dany may be killed in the finale.

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    205. Kathy,

      You know the pilot episode has a ton of incest, right? Everyone is expecting Jon and Dany to hook up and all the other incestuous stuff on the show and in the history and lore clips has been basically preparing viewers for this.

      Jenny,

      Yup. The reason everyone is expecting Jon/Dany to happen is because there’s so much forshadowing for the relationship. That doesn’t make them dumb fangirls.

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    206. Rex,
      Just what do you intend to achieve? Because it can’t be ‘convincing us to change our minds’. Some of us may not like this or that facet of where the story is leading (romance ??) but we like the story in general. Otherwise we wouldn’t be here.

      So stop being annoying.

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    207. Inga,

      Jon has no weapon in these photos. Therefore it is difficult to believe that Dragonstone is under his control in these photos. More likely Dany is in control and has taken his weapon. But obviously not harmed or imprisoned him. It also appears he and Davos can move freely, and the Dothraki do not look hostile to him either.

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    208. To be honest, Jon being in the south unnerves me.

      I feel like it suggests potential disaster in the North.

      With Jon, Davos and potentially Brienne too all down south late in the season, and with the Wall potentially falling by the end of the season I fear that they might have been placed down south to protect them from an impending massacre, or at least a nerve-shredding set piece or cliffhanger.

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    209. Yaga:
      Jenny,
      I think that people are so concerned, on both sides, because it’s the relationship between the two most important characters. So everyone wants this one their way. And it’s for the same reason that people think that a romance between these two would be a cliche. Because they are the mains. An asexual friendship between the two single mains… that’s the path less trodden, and so worth taking.

      And above all, I don’t think there is some ”romance quotum” that needs to be fulfilled, is there? There are zombies to kill. That’s what’s important, and a romance isn’t needed for that. It would be only if there were some sort of a JRPG “~~true love~~ is the element necessary to destroy the final enemy” arrangement, in which case… just no.

      Love is a very central theme in ASOIAF wether it be romantic, platonic, familial, it plays a huge role in moving the story along, and in characters’ development. To name a few examples: Jaime and Cersei’s catastrophic love; Jon and Ygritte’s love that makes Jon better understand the freefolk; Catelyn’s love for her children that influences her choices to free Jaime; etc… I don’t understand why some people think interactions between characters are less important than action plots. I don’t think the white walkers were ever the only central point of the story. Usually a good story thrives from human relationships.

      That said, I’m not saying a romance quotum” needs to be fullfiled but I can see it going both ways. We’ll have to wait and see what kind of relationship they’ll have and the context to judge whether it makes sense or not. Judging by the books, even though I always doubted it, there was a lot of foreshadowing and a lot of parallels pointing towards it. Just my two cents.

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    210. Regarding Gendry’s Stag-marked war hammer: I don’t believe for one second that it is Robert’s war hammer. He would have had to go to Storm’s End, infiltrate the castle grounds and then go tomb robbing in order to get his father’s weapon. That’s just silly. Why can’t the simplest answer be the correct answer? That Gendry carved the Baratheon sigil into his new hammer because he knows he is Robert’s bastard and a part of him wants to acknowledge his Baratheon heritage – even if it’s just to himself.

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    211. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      I think so too. They’ll probably miss the first one or two whitewalker encounters and the attack on the Wall.

      Or if the whitewalkers head to Winterfell (which I suspect will happen), it would put Jon in a race against time to try and save his sibling-cousins. Which makes things dramatic, and therefore perfect for TV.

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    212. Let’s say they meet, fall in love and then Bran drop F bomb on them. One of the reasons why Jon needs to move south and avoid Bran. Dany will be okay with it and quite frankly really happy since he’s her family but what about Jon? Put Targaryens and Starks tradition aside. What his opinion on the mater will be? Will he end it, just acknowledg it and move on or simply you heart does what it wants.

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    213. Inga,

      If we don´t see Emilia Clarke in the next days also interacting with the cast, I will assume you are right.

      The thing is, it has been reported that this scenes are for episode 5 and that Emilia will arrive in Spain pretty soon. Since this was the information we had about Kit yesterday, I am confident the source is right again.

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    214. Inga: Please, someone talk me out of this crazy theory,

      I’m not going to try to talk you out of your crazy theory because you’ll just come up with another crazy one. You’re pretty good at taking one still image and carrying it very far. I’m not sure how you come up with the stuff you do.. ?? 🙂

      One simple rebuttal to your comments. Most of these photos aren’t taken WHILE they’re filming. There appear to be some of Jon and Davos as they’re filming and they just look to be having a serious conversation. The only shot you can see Missandei clearly she walking among crew members not filming. Saying she looks sad at that point and creating a huge theory based on that… hmm..

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    215. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      This is exactly my main worry about Jon being the most time South in Dragonstone !!!! If Others find North unarmered with out their King and then they will possibly do a massacre, How the people and lords of the North will react ??? I don’t really care about romance , incest and all other things that many people care about !!!Jon is a hero, a king with good vibes, an honorable person like his father Ned was and maybe this situation can turn his story to a bad way !!!!

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    216. Jenny,

      I remember and not sure Iam right. In original outline Jon was supposed to be tormented by his feelings for Arya before his parentage comes out. So if you twist it, it could be like that but afterwards of revealing his parentage. Like okay, they like each other and then boom he’s her family. On top of not being Ned’s son, being Rhaegar’s kid, not a Stark even maybe. Who knows if Rhaegar and Lyanna were married and I wouldn’t put it past them.

      Maybe just maybe his parentage is all about his conflict with himself about Ned, Rhaegar, Lyanna but all of them are dead. Only relevant person alive is Dany. It would make sense for Jon not meeting Bran, Bran to piece it together maybe even with help of Sam or Howland Reed. Citadel might have some papers but the wáy they updated LC position.

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    217. Inga,

      that would actually be a pretty decent story line ..and I could see something like it taking place. We know from spoilers that

      there is a sea battle

      and

      Euron captures Yara

      and that

      Theon goes north and meets Jon

      so good bet is Dany fleet gets split up. Jon and Davos go to Dragonstone (which would have been planned landing from Danys fleet/troops) and find out

      Dany fell from Drogon during sea battle (this is based on spoiler about someone falling into the water that we heard about before)and has not been found

      This makes the scenes with Davos and Tyrion sneaking into KL we saw yesterday make sense (recon for rescue misson) and why only Jon/Missandi/Davos are pictured on Dragonstone.

      but we do know there is another scene with

      Dany/Davos/Brienne+ others in DragonPit

      so she is found and alive at some point it seems 😀

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    218. OMG Missandei’s outfit is sooo bad ass!!! I need to see Dany’s outfit like yesterday. I don’t even care about the spoilers anymore, I just wanna see Danny in full costume please!!!

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    219. Oooh… we’re getting close! Daenerys coming face to face with her long lost nephew, Jon Snow…

      Can’t be long now!! 🙂

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    220. I adore Jorah in any form, but he looks amazing in the first season with his armor, so if they could spruce him up that’d be just find and dandy by me. I’m certain that he’ll rejoin Dany this year, and I’m curious to see if he’ll meet Jon. Those two, in my opinion, could be good for each other. Jon saved his dad’s life and avenged his death. Despite the fallout between Jorah and Jeor, he was obviously saddened when he learned of his death. I have a feeling he’d approve of Jon having Longclaw, and learning of the power it held against the white walkers.

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    221. Geralt of Rivia,

      You are right about the original outline.If he misses Bran it’s because they want him to meet Dany without knowing they are related.This way when it is revealed to him he already has a pre existing relationship with a Targ and it means even more to him and he is more conflicted.I don’t how will he find out but honestly there are no shortage of ways.Lots of people can tell him:Bran,Howland Reed Sam and the citadel might get involved.It will come out.

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    222. As I said above, if the WW threat is imminent, they might all have to go south, including LF, who is still Lord of Harrenhal IIRC. And yes, they might get notice that Cersei’s gone when they’re stationed somewhere below the Neck. But that’s just wild speculation.

      I like selena‘s idea, that Brienne would be sent south to bring Jon the good tidings of his family background before he bones his aunt LOL

      Edit: This was supposed to be in response to Grail King.

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    223. icequinn,

      Brienne will show in the Dragonpit for Jaime, that’s for sure. Another question what Jaime would be doing there, especially taking into account that Dany is supposed to MEET there with Missandei (who looks to be on Dragonstone in Ep 4?), Davos (who will be trying to smuggle Tyrion into KL in Ep5), and other characters? What about Dany being Cersei’s captive, and Cersei staging her trial by combat with the Frankenmountain as her champion? And then Jaime volunteering as Dany’s champion? I had different ideas for the Dragonpit, but now when Gendry is returning, it looks rater possible if Dany is saved by the representatives of the same houses the overthrew her father and killed her family members… Crazy, but still it would be rather symbolic IMO.

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    224. orange,

      Neither Jon, nor anyone else carried swords or any other weapons inside castles, be it Winterfell, or the Red Keep, or Castle Black.
      The KITN scene was probably the only exception, but that was a formal gathering, whereas here Jon and Davos are just going around and talking (planning some operation I suppose).

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    225. Flayed Potatoes:
      Kathy,

      You know the pilot episode has a ton of incest, right? Everyone is expecting Jon and Dany to hook up and all the other incestuous stuff on the show and in the history and lore clips has been basically preparing viewers for this.

      Jenny,

      Yup. The reason everyone is expecting Jon/Dany to happen is because there’s so much forshadowing for the relationship. That doesn’t make them dumb fangirls.

      I have no problem with the romance between Jon-Dany, but i think the show or the books never portrayed incest as good or encourage it in any way. In fact incest is the source most of the problems in the story and incest resulted to a line of crazy Targaryens and Joffrey. Let’s not pretend because Dany and Jon may be cute that this is fine.
      Also Jon’s chapters never include any foreshadowing of him as husband or father, i am not saying this will not happen but one expression in one chapter doesn’t count as “much forshadowing “.People can have their opinion.

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    226. Rex,

      I’m actually really happy that they’re not following that route of twisting tropes and myths just for the sake of twisting. The series have been really dreary and somber with so many evil characters oppressing the (more) innocent ones. So what? Should it continue to be like that until the end, like a sadistic version of the road runner and the coyote where the coyote always has the winning hand? Like it’s trying to prove that evil is stronger and there’s nothing you can do to stop it? What’s the point in making good characters just to suffer a lot and not winning? That would be just as deceitful as a fairy tale ending. I find it fascinating that the table is turning now, so the show doesn’t become a cynical paradise.

      Jack Bauer 24,

      You always come with this ‘ahh but the season took all emmys’ as if the relation between quality and winning emmys was sacred and untouchable. Shows like The Leftovers, that for me, was one of the best of 2015, didn’t even get nominated, not to talk about The Wire. I loved season 6 but there are much more reasons for it to be so good other than because it won that much emmys.

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    227. Grail King,

      Do we know at this point in time which Greyjoy is taken prisoner?
      I wouldn’t rule out Aeron Damphair turning against his brother and being tied to the ship’s prow. Surely, Yara, as his rival, is too valuable a prisoner to be killed outright. Euron is greedy and stupid enough to use her as a bargaining tool, especially if he thinks he can lure Theon, Jon, Dany etc to the Iron Islands as a result and trap them there.

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    228. Flayed Potatoes,

      I guess it all depends on when the White Walkers enter the Seven Kingdoms.

      If it’s at the very end of the season then that would set up a race against time going into Season 8.

      But if they manage to breach the Wall earlier in the season then I could picture an assault on Winterfell, and a potential massacre or cliffhanger, to close the season.

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    229. My problem with Jon and Dany scenes are that each of the actors are better when they are with actors who are strong. Kit shined in his action scenes and was great in his scenes with Liam. With lesser actors and less action, he struggles. Emilia was amazing with Dinklage but her scenes with the much weaker Jacob Anderson and Nathalie Emmanuel fell flat.

      So it’s two actors who are elevated by their scene partners. I’m just not convinced they will elevate each other. I don’t want to spend their scenes wondering if Dany’s caterpillar eyebrows are going to crawl off her face and eat Jon or if Jon is really constipated.

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    230. Flayed Potatoes:
      Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      I think so too. They’ll probably miss the first one or two whitewalker encounters and the attack on the Wall.

      Or if the whitewalkers head to Winterfell (which I suspect will happen), it would put Jon in a race against time to try and save his sibling-cousins. Which makes things dramatic, and therefore perfect for TV.

      Do you think the WWs could reach Winterfell by the end of the season?

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    231. Jenny,

      There must be undeniable proof of this. Otherwise his parentage doesn’t make sense, it needs to be public and unquestionable. At least to Dany, Tyrion, Sansa and others. Some records at Citadel, Crypts of Winterfell or Howland Reed might be guarding something at Greywater Watch. After all it’s the best place to hide some clues but then Ned even tore down Tower of Joy and burried everyone. Took Dawn to Starfall.

      Question for anyone who knows about it. Filming at Iceland is supposed to be in January?

      That means it stands for Beyond the Wall isn’t it? The North will be filmed at Belfast, Riverlands too,

      Also begs the question what are they going to film Beyond the Wall. Bran is almost at the Wall, Night’s King things as marching with his army?

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    232. HotPinkLipstick,

      Jon had an amazing chemistry with Sansa. Some people interpretate it as romantic and others as familial. Sophie raised her game but she ain’t experienced like Peter, Lena or Liam. Yet, they work really well. I’d say don’t worry about chemistry between Jon and Dany. Both are experienced enough and if interviews are anythig to go by, I’d say it will be good scenes between them.

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    233. I think Dany and Jon might have already meet at this point, the fact he shares a scene with Missandei while strolling casually around Dragonstone without Long claw on him and the dothrakis soldiers standing right behind him without even blinking an eye when he stands in front of them makes me think that Jon and Davos are most likely Dany’s guests or something like that.

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    234. Maggie,

      A relationship between an uncle/niece or aunt/nephew is not considered incestuous in that world, only between siblings and parent/child. It’s similar to a relationship between cousins which have had generally good portrayals (Rickard Stark and Lady Stark & Tywin and Joanna).

      I posted these up-thread but I’ll repost them here as well. There are examples of connections between Dany and Jon outside of the many parallels

      DAENERYS ADWD

      “There would have been a sixth, but the Usurper’s dogs had murdered her brother’s son when he was still a babe at the breast. If he had lived, I might have married him. “

      They both long to have children:

      JON ASOS

      I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall.”
      John thinks this when considering Stannis offer to become Lord of Winterfell, which he rejects.

      DAENERYS ADWD

      I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons.”

      *`*`*`*`*`*
      JON ADWD

      “He might as well wish for another thousand men, and maybe a dragon or three.”

      *`*`*`*`*`*
      DAENERYS V AGOT

      “The khals face did not often betray the thoughts within.

      TYRION II AGOT

      “Tyrion notes that Jon has the traditional Stark face in everything but name long, solemn and guarded a face that gives nothing away.

      *`*`*`*`*`*
      DAENERYS ACOK

      “Lying abed in her narrow bunk, she found herself wondering how it would be to have a man squeezed in beside her in place of her handmaid, and the thought was more exciting than it should have been. Sometimes she would close her eyes and dream of him, but it was never Jorah Mormont she dreamed of; her lover was always younger and more comely, though his face remained a shifting shadow”.

      JON AGOT

      “Tyrion Lannister had claimed that most men would rather deny a hard truth than face it, but Jon was done with denials. He was who he was; Jon Snow, bastard and oathbreaker, motherless, friendless, and damned. For the rest of his life –however long that might be– he would be condemned to be an outsider, the silent man standing in the shadows who dares not speak his true name.”

      MELISANDRE ADWD

      “The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain they share. “

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    235. Geralt of Rivia,

      I don’t know how they will do but there are many ways.To me the important thing is that Jon and Dany believe it nobody else.Now regarding Iceland.It was reported that at least 6 cast members woud film there so yeah I guess somebody is going beyond the wall and it’s not just the night king

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    236. ghost of winterfell,

      Possibly.

      I’ve always leaned towards the Wall falling at the end of the season, because I thought that any earlier wouldn’t leave enough time for matters down south to be wrapped up.

      But since we now know that Jon is likely to be down south in the latter part of the season then it begs the question what will be happening in the North while he’s away?

      It should be something adequately dramatic to match the drama occurring down south. It could be the whole Sansa/Littlefinger issue. Or they might give us a real shock and close the season with the North coming under serious assault and putting the rest of our Northern characters in peril.

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    237. Missandei looks awesome. Jon/Davos being protected by Dothraki also looks awesome. Gendry’s warhammer (which, honestly, I’m still not over) having the Baratheon stag sigil is giving me heart palpitations of joy! The hype is real!!

      Also finding out that this is the 5th episode they’re filming makes me think that they are saving the Jon/Arya reunion for the finale (so long to wait) *if* she is back at Winterfell with Sansa and Bran. And I’m hoping (since I assume that we’re not going to waste much screentime on travel these last two seasons) that we’ll see Gendry (possibly with Davos or Brienne) find his way to Winterfell in episode 6 (for the Arya/Gendry reunion)! I just can’t see them having both reunions in the same episode… that would dampen the impact a bit for one or both reunions for various factions of viewers.

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    238. If Brienne only goes south towards the end of the season and meets Daenerys in the dragonpit at KL after Daenerys has taken KL and Cersei has died/fled to CR, is it possible that it’s after Sansa has died too? There were earlier indications (from Sophie Turner’s and Maisie Williams’ reactions) that one of both Stark girls would die this season. If Sansa is no more, but Brienne survived, her oath is done, she is free, and she travels south to face her own destiny and perhaps reunite with her southern roots.

      Emillia,
      I agree. The Jon and Davos picture suggests that they are Daenerys’ guests, all is OK, and they are strolling as they talk strategy regarding KL.

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    239. Kay:
      If Brienne only goes south towards the end of the season and meets Daenerys in the dragonpit at KL after Daenerys has taken KL and Cersei has died/fled to CR, is it possible that it’s after Sansa has died too? There were earlier indications (from Sophie Turner’s and Maisie Williams’ reactions) that one of both Stark girls would die this season. If Sansa is no more, but Brienne survived, her oath is done, she is free, and she travels south to face her own destiny and perhaps reunite with her southern roots.

      Ned, after telling Arya she can keep Needle: “Try not to stab your sister with it.”

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    240. moiaf,

      I was answering to the “The show has incest from the first episode”, we are not supposed to support it though, incest is an anomaly let’s not paint it right because of a tv show.

      Most of your examples are not related though, in fact i remember the last quote is
      *`*`*`*`*`*
      “The flames crackled softly, and in their crackling she heard the whispered name Jon Snow. His long face floated before her, limned in tongues of red and orange, appearing and disappearing again, a shadow half-seen behind a fluttering curtain. Now he was a man, now a wolf, now a man again.”
      *`*`*`*`*`*
      There is not a “they share”… there is no reason to twist the books.

      The first quote is for Val
      *`*`*`*`*`*
      “I would need to steal her if I wanted her love, but she might give me children. I might someday hold a son of my own blood in my arms. A son was something Jon Snow had never dared dream of, since he decided to live his life on the Wall. I could name him Robb. Val would want to keep her sister’s son, but we could foster him at Winterfell, and Gilly’s boy as well. Sam would never need to tell his lie.”
      *`*`*`*`*`*
      “Drogon killed a little girl. Her name was … her name …” Dany could not recall the child’s name. That made her so sad that she would have cried if all her tears had not been burned away. “I will never have a little girl. I was the Mother of Dragons.”
      Aye, the grass said, but you turned against your children.”
      *`*`*`*`*`*
      I could do that too and result that Jon will marry Jaime based on the parallels.
      I am not against Jon-Dany, and if the do date it’s ok..but let’s not pretend the whole books revolves around this

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    241. jdtargstark:
      So D&D almost ruined the KitN scene with their comments about how sansa wasn’t happy with Jon’s proclamation, just to misdirect us, eh? D&D’s antics never seize to amaze me. Seriously, all those endless arguments about the possible stark civil war… I’ve lost count how many times i’ve seen people dissecting that scene, frame by frame, to explain Sansa’s unhappiness through her almost non-existent face expressions, lol.

      I’m glad I can go back and enjoy that scene now and see it for what it really is, which is a pleased then seconds later scared(?) sansa.

      I rewatched the KITN scene a few days ago and Sansa at no point looks upset or jealous or angry. When she looks at Littlefinger its more that shes scared of him or wary of him. But she never looks like shes against Jon.

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    242. Kay: If Brienne only goes south towards the end of the season and meets Daenerys in the dragonpit at KL after Daenerys has taken KL and Cersei has died/fled to CR, is it possible that it’s after Sansa has died too?

      Possible, but I think that’s taking things a bit too far and I doubt that she is being sent south late in the season. I think she’s being sent there earlier and it just takes some time to get there for more non-in-universe reasons: Sansa does not have a Brienne in the books, she’s on her own with LF, so I guess D&D won’t have her protector at WF as long as the drama with LF goes on. Same goes for Jon.

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    243. Pigeon: Ned, after telling Arya she can keep Needle: “Try not to stab your sister with

      Too dark, too dark, lol! 😀
      But I AM quite puzzled about Arya’s and Bran’s movements this season. I am of the opinion that Bran doesn’t leave the weirwood tree just north of the Wall, where the watchers, under Edd, look after him.

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    244. Vally: and I doubt that she is being sent south late in the season. I think she’s being sent there earlier

      Could be. But my point was that perhaps Brienne is not being “sent by” anyone at all, if it’s late in the season. She goes south of her own volition when she is free of all her past oaths to date. Brienne’s story has been defined by her oaths to others, I want her to finish with those at some point, and start a new existence.

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    245. Vally,

      She can send Brienne to check up on Jon, they’ll meet somewhere on the way, and then they’ll travel together to the dragonpit with Davos and whoever else is supposed to be in the scene. Or she releases Brienne from her service once everyone is at Winterfell.

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    246. Dany and Jon love story attracts more attention. At first their interactions gonna be business like, but in final season, Jon will be saving her from whitewalkers, and their relationship would become romantic. Or Dany saving reckless Jon from whitewalkers riding her dragons. Anyhoo, the most anticipated love scene should be beautiful. Dany gasping and moaning, and Jon wielding his tongue.

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    247. Flayed Potatoes,

      LoL, you’re welcome!

      Maggie,

      They are related, I just didn’t think I had to point out the relation.

      First example: Dany dreams of a lover, whose face is hidden in the shadows. In Jon’s chapter he sees himself as hiding in the shadows and Melissandra sees is face coming in and out of shadows.

      Second example: It’s not about who it is, it’s about what they both yearn for. Jon yearns to be a father but is afraid to father a bastard. Dany yearns to be a mother but believes herself barren.

      This are just two more example of the laundry list of parallels these two characters share.

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    248. I don’t understand all the speculation that Dany was captured just because she’s missing here. She’s probably hanging out in the CGI castle, which is understandably not out of sight.

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    249. Kay,
      First of all, I understand that wish. Being subservient or serving a Lord like Brienne does and finding pride in that work seems to clash with our own contemporary ideas of what an enlightened emancipated being should do and think. As far as I see it, she seems quite happy with what she does at the moment.

      And if she ever changed her mind about her profession, personally, I would prefer it that she’d so so because of some character development and not just because her employer died.

      Also, would’t she just become Arya’s shield after Sansa dies?

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    250. Apocalyptic queen:
      Grail King,

      Do we know at this point in time which Greyjoy is taken prisoner?
      I wouldn’t rule out Aeron Damphair turning against his brother and being tied to the ship’s prow. Surely, Yara, as his rival, is too valuable a prisoner to be killed outright. Euron is greedy and stupid enough to use her as a bargaining tool, especially if he thinks he can lure Theon, Jon, Dany etc to the Iron Islands as a result and trap them there.

      At this point no, but I’m just taking from his excerpt and replacing that victim with Yara thinking out loud how the show runners may do it.

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    251. Pigeon,

      Ned, moments before he said “Try not to stab your sister with it”: “…in the winter we must protect ourselves. Look after one another. Sansa is your sister”. 😉

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    252. Jenny,

      Leaks said something about this Beyond the Wall concerning Night King and team of 6 characters on a mission. This could add up.

      Maggie,

      But books are filled with these things between them. Whether this or that is not it, but the connection is there whether it will be romantic or familial.

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    253. Kay: Too dark, too dark, lol! ?
      But I AM quite puzzled about Arya’s and Bran’s movements this season. I am of the opinion that Bran doesn’t leave the weirwood tree just north of the Wall, where the watchers, under Edd, look after him.

      LOL! I know….I don’t see how everyone can just abandon the ship that is the North for a southern holiday. Gotta be more to it, right? I do feel as though Bran must end up at Winterfell though, or he’d be under constant attack. Sigh….I know nothing, actually.

      Kay: Could be. But my point was that perhaps Brienne is not being “sent by” anyone at all, if it’s late in the season. She goes south of her own volition when she is free of all her past oaths to date. Brienne’s story has been defined by her oaths to others, I want her to finish with those at some point, and start a new existence.

      YES PLEASE. Brienne has done so much oathing about, that it’d be nice to see her say “Enough! Doing my own thing! Pod, we are starting up our own dojo.”

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    254. Vally,

      No we don’t. I am just assuming because it seems like a big scene that they’ll film for a while. If Dany takes KL, then several characters should be there (Davos included, according to another post here) and the pictures in this post say he’s at Dragonstone. So Jon could be there too if he’s looking to find help to fight WW.

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    255. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man:
      Pigeon,

      Ned, moments before he said “Try not to stab your sister with it”: “…in the winter we must protect ourselves. Look after one another. Sansa is your sister”. ?

      “I don’t hate her….not really!” ?

      That’s the thing about reading into lines as premonitions/foreshadowing. Some seem valid, others seem reaching. If something happens to substantiate one, it’s “Looooooook! I told you!!!!”. If not, it’s like “Well, not everything is prophetic.” We are silly bears, really.

      But man, that scene makes me miss Ned. ?

      His words were echoed quite well by Jon to Sansa at Winterfell last season.

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    256. I shouldn’t be mentioning leaks, rather delete it. I wish forum was properly working, so debate can be there.

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    257. Agro,

      I agree about subverting tropes just for the sake of it. I know now late in the story a lot of things are predictable, but that’s what happens when fans have been discussing and speculating about a series for 20 years (GRRM’s fault tbh). The story has already set up certain things to happen, and changing it for the sake of subverting a trope and being unpredictable is just plain bad story-telling. I just want a logical and satisfying conclusion to the story, I don’t necessarily need to be surprised.

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    258. I think my only real apprehension from Jon/Dany (aside from being predictable, but I think predictable in this case means they’ve done a good job building it up and foreshadowing) is that I generally find Emilia to be a poor actress as Dany. 🙁 it sounds awful to say, but I often find myself disliking Dany on the show because of her acting. I know I’m not alone in this, and so I just kind of cringe at the potential for bad acting.

      I don’t love the idea of Jon kneeling only because he’s actually been declared KITN – what is Dany actually queen of in Westeros yet? And I can’t see Jon acknowledging his father was wrong in overthrowing the Targs and yielding the North, so I hope this is all smarter than that.

      We shall see what happens! There’s something jarring to me about thinking of Jon spending much of the season out of the North weirdly!

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    259. Nadia:
      I don’t love the idea of Jon kneeling only because he’s actually been declared KITN – what is Dany actually queen of in Westeros yet? And I can’t see Jon acknowledging his father was wrong in overthrowing the Targs and yielding the North, so I hope this is all smarter than that.

      She’s Queen of the Reach and Dorne, at a minimum.

      Dany on the show seems to have accepted that her father was kind of evil, so I don’t think that any hypothetical accession Jon would make to her would inherently constitute a statement that the rebellion was wrong. Though I suspect any Jon/Dany alliance will be more of the Ferdinand and Isabella variety.

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    260. Not that I want to revive the whole kneeling argument but…

      If the North wishes to be truly independent then Jon has to offer something to Dany. He is representing a rival country in effect.

      Dany, if she conquers the South, can just set up shop at the Neck and wait for the WW. It’s an excellent bottleneck. The North want to be independent than they should take care of themselves.

      I don’t think that’s how thing will play out but I’m trying to see the issue logically.

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    261. moiaf:
      Not that I want to revive the whole kneeling argument but…

      If the North wishes to be truly independent then Jon has to offer something to Dany. He is representing a rival country in effect.

      Dany, if she conquers the South, can just set up shop at the Neck and wait for the WW. It’s an excellent bottleneck. The North want to be independent than they should take care of themselves.

      I don’t think that’s how thing will play out but I’m trying to see the issue logically.

      They will kneel to each other. Simple.

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    262. Nadia,

      it’s not like Kit is a better actor. I’ve seen those two interacts at events, during interviews and stuff like that and if those are anything to go by…their chemistry is going to be amazing. It’s no secret for anyone that both Kit and Emilia have a soft spot for each other, always dying to work with each other and they’r the biggest Jon/Dany shippers out there. I couldn’t disagree more with you on Emilia’s action and I find most people trashing her about it PATHETIC!

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    263. I have not been following much: part of what I like to do is speculate about how they will adapt stories from one medium to the other, and as the show is well, well into stories that I have never (and I suspect never will) read, I have no basis for speculation!

      That said, this makes me wonder if (at this point) the North has been pretty much lost to the Walkers. Will we see Jon and Davos trying to convince Daenerys people that this fantasy is actually true? I did find it telling that Jon did not name the enemy that is the storm by name: and given that some northern lords thought that the best tactic at that point was to sit out the winter, clearly they are not anticipating White Walkers. It seems very plausible that much will change on that front! (And, of course, it has to do so: we are well into the final act now.)

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    264. Nadia: I don’t love the idea of Jon kneeling only because he’s actually been declared KITN – what is Dany actually queen of in Westeros yet? And I can’t see Jon acknowledging his father was wrong in overthrowing the Targs and yielding the North, so I hope this is all smarter than that.

      Well, there are other ways to look at it and things to consider… Jon is KitN, yes. However, at the moment he’s just that, KitN. The Vale assisted them but we don’t know what kind of allegiance they’ll keep or if he’ll just be viewed as the Lord of The North, or essentially equal to the lord of the other regions by them. Being KitN is being king of the least populated region in Westeros. At the moment he wouldn’t be able to form an army of even 10,000, and that’s generous. Even The Vale army is estimated at only 20k. Basically, Jon is simply the king of a lot of space and few people.

      Daenerys doesn’t arrive as the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, but she does so with the strength and numbers to achieve that. I’d say she has every reason to do try to reacquire the thrown her ancestors held for centuries until just twenty years ago when it was taken. Daenerys is not Aerys II that Ned helped overthrow. As much as some people think she’ll become that, she isn’t now and Jon may ‘quickly’ come to see that she should be queen.

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    265. Boudica: But unfortunately it just lead to some bad writing, and characters development suffered as a result of the bad writing.

      The characters had long since been developed at that point. And their subsequent evolution continued to come out quite clearly: it should have been pretty clear to the audience what story it was creating!

      Nadia: I know I’m not alone in this, and so I just kind of cringe at the potential for bad acting.

      You are conflating “acting” with “portrayal.” Clarke is a fine actress. Some people do not like her portrayal of Daenerys, but what people “like” and “dislike” is very subjective! However, given what summaries of the show in the main media, it is pretty clear that she has succeeded in the primary goal: getting people to pick up on the heavy parallels between her character and Jon Snow. To a big degree, the rigidity of both characters is part of that.

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    266. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      This worries me too. If Cersei wins the battle against Dany as we expect, Littlefinger may may decide that it’s time to bring her Sansa’s head, and with Jon on Dragonstone and even Brienne going south, it would be the right time for the coup in the North. Yes, Sansa and even Bran may die (Arya is hard to kill, but it may happen that she goes south too). Therefore, Littlefinger will be really in the position to take out the remaining Starks to return into Cersei’s good graces (IMO, he will also be planning to marry her, just as Euron).
      However, even if Littlefinger succeeds and his actions lead to the WW invasion, he will become one of its inevitable causalities ripped to pieces by wight Sansa, which would be bittersweet and not funny at all, when you think of it.
      On the other hand, I hope that Sansa will survive and end besieged in Winterfell: I feel like her siege experiences of S2 should pay off somehow and Littlefinger can be ripped to pieces by other wights. But that may be a wishful thinking.

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    267. moiaf: Dany, if she conquers the South, can just set up shop at the Neck and wait for the WW. It’s an excellent bottleneck. The North want to be independent than they should take care of themselves.

      Lol! THIS! I see tons of posts about how Daenerys is EVIL…. if she doesn’t drop everything and rush to help the North without asking for anything in return at all, even their loyalty. It’s like how Jon bringing KNOWLEDGE to her (she, who has Varys, the master of knowledge!) is enough of a bargain, etc. etc. etc. If she were truly selfish, she could just sit at the Neck with her dragons and battle the WWs there. Once she has defeated them, she could take back the frozen North and unfreeze it.

      I too absolutely don’t think, from what I’ve seen of her in the last SIX seasons, that she will do this. But she could if she were really self-involved.

      On the other hand, why is it that 90% of the populace of the North, Sansa included, seem to have no care and concern about the WWs coming, at least as of the Season 6 finale?

      Wimsey: That said, this makes me wonder if (at this point) the North has been pretty much lost to the Walkers.

      This is what I was getting at in an earlier post. I wonder if, by the scene where Brienne meets Daenerys at the dragonpit at KL, it’s the very end of the season, and Brienne brings news that the Wall has fallen and the North has been lost.

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    268. Kay: why is it that 90% of the populace of the North, Sansa included, seem to have no care and concern about the WWs coming

      It’s hard to convey how absolutely terrifying the NK and his army are by just telling people. The Wildlings and the NW that have seen them know, but to everyone else it’s still just stories of scary things on the other side of a giant wall. Like Lord Glover was, they’re more concerned with the things they know, like Wildlings being allowed through.

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    269. Boh:
      Why is Kit face so chubby lately? Plus, i found his armour a bit too big for him.
      I mean, i really like him, but he doesn’t look like a king. Maybe his height doesn’t help.
      I did prefer him when he was wearing the NK clothes.
      In Pompeii was hot as well.

      I dont see a difference…

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    270. I think as Emilia is nowhere to be found I think dany will be captured in the sea battle and taken as captive and jon joined her crew and take an assault on kl… tyrion goes to rescue her but she doesn’t accept ,and say I will never run..same as vaes dothraki…
      Cersei will use trial by combat with fire on her just like the mad king against Rickard stark…Jon takes a siege on kl to rescue dany with the whole dothraki at his back.,.. cersei burn dany ,,repeat of dany unburnt scene ,,,with in the fire dany goes above the throne and become the valqonar..
      Wear this tinfoil ..
      I will stick to it until Emilia appear at dragonstone set….

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    271. I think jon left winterfell just before bran arrival…d&d will not let the secret known to jon this simple..so jon will stay in darkness..
      Bran will arrive at winterfell. sansa will get to know about the truth,,and she will use it as a word against jon to persuade the north Lord’s towards her…
      Lyanna called jon her king because he has Ned’s blood… what will happen when people know about jon doesn’t having Ned’s blood…that’s how I see the north story goes on…
      I think when jon comes back with dany to north the situation in North would be changed and it is on sansa side not jon anymore…that’s a twist…Jon loosing north..

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    272. Mattios:
      Damn, I want Jon and Messendei to be the GoT couple!

      Missandei has eyes only for Greyworm. But I am sure she’s going to get lots of flirty looks from a whole bunch of men this season, Gendry, Bronn (?), Pod (?), perhaps even Davos?

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    273. Nadia,

      Emilia is as good or as bad as Kit. Kit is not some kind of Daniel Day-Lewis. You make up reasons to criticize her because you, as many others fangirls, are jealous she is going to be romantically involved with Jon. As simple as that.

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    274. Clob:
      Even The Vale army is estimated at only 20k.

      35-40K, by most estimates, if we’re talking about the books. 20K was the size of Robb’s initial expeditionary force, not the North’s total military strength.

      Wimsey:
      And their subsequent evolution continued to come out quite clearly: it should have been pretty clear to the audience what story it was creating!

      Whether it’s clear what the writers were going for (which was often not the case; the characters’ motives and actions were by times muddy) doesn’t mean it’s well-written.

      You are conflating “acting” with “portrayal.”

      Or she meant exactly what she said, she finds Clarke’s acting bad at times. You yourself note it’s subjective. I don’t myself have any big issues with her (in my view she’s the kind of actor who can deliver good material but won’t save bad material; I’d put Harington in the same category, when you compare, say, Jon in Season 2 to Jon in Season 5), but some do.

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    275. Dragon queen,

      How about Cersei staging Dany’s trial by combat with Frankenmountain as her champion and Jaime volunteering as Dany’s champion? (Dany’s captivity was my idea too as soon as I saw Davos smuggling Tyrion into KL).

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    276. Inga,

      I don’t see why Cersei would give Dany a trial by combat. She’s an invading enemy. She’d be killed, not tried.

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