Brienne, Pod and knights spotted filming around Sallagh Braes

Knights of the Vale, in Season 1

Knights of the Vale, in Season 1

Filming for Game of Thrones season 5 has been rumored to be happening around Larne, Northern Ireland, for several days now, with pink signs popping up in the area.

Reliable sources are now confirming for WatchersOnTheWall that two scenes were filmed yesterday around Sallagh Braes, the hilly area west of Larne.

Gwendoline Christie and Daniel Portman were spotted at the very top of the brae, filming a Brienne and Pod scene involving riding their horses down a hill.

The second scene our local source reports is one involving several Knights of the Vale riding around on the lower part of the brae, accompanied by a few un-armored and well-dressed individuals in dark clothing.

They appear to be unrelated scenes.

Sue the Fury says: Though these reports are unofficial, I feel they’re sound. We know Portman is in town, and so is Sophie Turner, if she is involved in the Knights of the Vale scene.

 

 

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    1. Hmm… I doubt it’s Sansa (well-dressed individuals), I can’t see how Brienne finding Sansa would progress.

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    2. These are two different scenes. Okay, theoretically, they could be related, we don’t know yet, but they are TWO scenes, not one. I’ll clarify just to be safe.

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    3. Very dissapointed they’re not filming in Iceland…some of the most beatiful shots from last season were the Thingvelir ones, and the Hound and Brienne fight ones

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    4. They could just put Brienne with Sansa…that eliminates the need for any

      Riverlands casting/LS/Siege of RR/Jaime coming back from Dorne etc etc

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    5. So I take it that they found the horses again after Pod let them wander off in the finale? 😉

      The two scenes reported here may be unrelated, but given that Brienne was still in the Vale at the end of Season 4, it seems likely that she would at least try her luck at passing through the Bloody Gate (which was her original intention) after she is forced to abandon her search for Arya. Furthermore, while she may not have been spotted yesterday, I do find it interesting that Sophie Turner mentioned in an interview that she was supposed to start filming on Wednesday.

      If the show is shaking up Brienne’s storyline and omitting the whole LS/BWB angle, then linking her up with Sansa in the Vale would be a logical direction for the story to take, given Brienne’s stated mission and their current geographic proximity. It would be intriguing to see how a ruthless schemer like Littlefinger would interact with someone as straightforward and honorable as Brienne. For that matter, a more practical and politically savvy Sansa might not be as interested in Brienne’s offer of protection as she once might have been. That’s half the fun of potential changes like this one!

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    6. Jason:
      They could just put Brienne with Sansa…that eliminates the need for any

      Which would be a shame as that is some of the more interesting stuff from the last couple of books.

      Only just onto the new site, well done to the fab four for getting it up and running, looks great and the content’s already better than ‘The Others’

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    7. Sue the Fury,

      True. I was assuming that them filming in the same location means the characters are close to one another, but I ditinctly remember that both Bran (in the North) and Jamie (in the Riverlands) filmed scenes in the same grassy mountains in season 3. So maybe they’re not as close as we think.

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    8. jentario,

      It’s a natural assumption. I shoud’ve been a little more careful with the wording since they were filming in the same place. It’s also possible that they do cross paths and Brienne fails to recognize her with her dark hair. Although that would require both her and Pod to become suddenly very stupid. Hmm.

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    9. Sue the Fury,

      To become? Brienne has sadly already become very stupid on the show (not even knowing who Sansa’s relatives are while looking for her, telling everyone she is looking for Sansa Stark, cutting off Hot Pie as if learning every detail may not potentially be helpful in locating Arya, telling Arya that Jaime Lannister sent her…).

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    10. They’re apparently two seperate scenes so I wouldn’t read too much into it and jump to the conclusion that Sansa and Brienne would be linking up.
      I worry for Brienne’s character as I don’t think she showed any development at all last season. An equivalent of the Maidenpool events would be best for her I think but it appears that won’t be happening as there’s no knowledge of Randyll Tarly being cast.
      If I’m being completely honest, I’m starting to worry they may be changing too much this season. I’m not that precious about the books but when you’re starting to majorly divert away from the source material then I wonder what the point in using it in the first place was? Although I didn’t agree with some of the changes last season , at least everyone still seemed in about the right place both geographically and storywise.
      I’m hoping I get proved wrong but all the signs for this following season are worrying me…hopefully needlessly.Guess there’s nothing we can do but wait and watch!

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    11. Sue the Fury,

      Did Brienne ever get very close to Sansa? There was the scene where Brienne and Jaime are looking at Sansa from afar, but I don’t think Brienne would necessarily know her by sight. Pod, on the other hand should be very familiar with Sansa.

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    12. I think they make it pretty clear in the books that Brienne is not that bright, I think show Brienne is actually smarter than she is portrayed in the books. Either way, dark Sansa would be a terrible disguise to anyone who had met her on more than one occasion already, but in the books they had never met.

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    13. Jason,

      It would work also with the casting of an older serving woman as an ally for Brienne in “dangerous territory”! (I call Petyr Baelish’s influence/ manipulation area a dangerous territory any day of the week plus thrice on Sunday 😉 )

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    14. It could be great that Brienne and Pod find the new Sansa in her tour of the Riverlands, using her power and everything. They recognize her, but cannot say anything and just have to follow her in her tour. There would be an ellipsis and the audience would find the new Sansa through Bripod’s eyes.

      (Sorry for my English guys…)

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    15. Since absolutely no one except the people involved on the show have any idea what will happen to Brienne and Pod next season, any scoop is welcome.

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    16. don: I need help guys. I want to see spoilers but I haven’t been able to dp that for 2 days now

      I assume tapping “Show” isn’t working for you, then. We’d need more info to help you. Spoiler coding’s been working for most people, it seems, even on mobile for the last couple days, but if there’s another a bug on a certain platform, we need to know the browser or type of phone so we can sort it out. 🙂

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    17. I don´t think the Vale tour is going last the entire season, and I guess Brienne and Podrick would go north. So they are not going to cross path with Sansa.

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    18. Still not abandoning the hope that we’ll see

      the LS ( or Blackfish or Dondarrion or whoever may replace her role ) storyline where Brienne’s commitment to her oath and what is the right thing to do clash (mirroring Jaime’s Kingslaying choice) as I think that’s an important part in her character growth. For that to happen I think she needs to be in the Riverlands not messing about in the Vale…although if Jaime’s character is gonna be in Dorne she’ll probably need something to do this season. Cersei’s Penance Walk seems to be in this season though so it’ll be itneresting to see how that fits around everything.

      I’m wondering whether Gendry will replace Ser Hyle or whether they’ll just keep it slim-lined with Brienne and Pod. Or maybe he could be a replacement for Mia Stone? Or are we thinking he’s pretty much gone from the series now?

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    19. direhound,

      LOL, the reddit users look so short next to Nicolaj and Gwendoline…of course, most of us would look rather short in comparison.

      don,
      Can you see the gray boxes that should show in place of spoilers and they say “Spoiler Inside” with a button/link that says “Show”? If you can see that box and the button, when you click Show? I don’t know if the functionality is a client-side thing but the type of browser you use could be affecting it. I’m pretty certain if you’re using Chrome or Firefox, it should be working. Are you using Internet Explorer?

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    20. Most intrigued to see what they do with Brienne this season!

      The photos do not necessarily give anything away, but being in the Vale for at least the beginning of the season makes some sense being as that’s where we saw at the end of Season 5.

      I would expect Brienne to move away from the Vale personally. I took the spoiler about getting help from an elderly serving woman to mean she was in hostile territory. The North avoiding Bolton men maybe… The Rivelands dealing with Freys or even the BwoB I guess.

      If she does stay in the Vale perhaps the elderly serving woman is helping Brienne avoid Littlefinger or his spies? Helping her to see Sansa?

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    21. jentario,

      No, book!Brienne is naive. Show!Brienne… is badly written.

      …and I wasn’t waiting to say that, I’ve said it before, just not on this website. 😉

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    22. vectner,

      When did she show herself to be smart in the show? Book!Brienne is not a genius, but she showed nowhere hear show!Brienne’s stupidity and incompetence seen in season 4. Plus, book!Brienne was younger and less experienced, and was portrayed as idealistic and believing in chivalry, similar to how Sansa used to be, and she was also nice and kind to people, so her naivete was endearing. Show!Brienne, on the other hand, is needlessly mean and dismissive to her social inferiors she sees as useless (Podrick, Hot Pie) and comes off as a bully – maybe they were going for a funny dynamic between her and Pod, but it doesn’t work because there is no back and forth (Pod is just a nice young man an doesn’t snark back), and she is not funny when she mocks people, like, say, Olenna (and the fact she was respectful to her social superiors on the other hand does not make her look good – unlike someone like Olenna, who mocks *everybody*, whoever they are). Therefore her incompetence and stupid moments come off as far more jarring.

      In short, they wrote her really badly in season 4 – and I can only conclude that this came as a result of a combination of 1) plot issues and 2) the desire to, for some reason, make Brienne into a stereotypical “warrior woman” who must be hard, unpleasant and dismissive just because she is big and strong and dressed in a “masculine” way, 3) the unfortunate idea that making characters mock and bully someone who is portrayed as “stupid” or “useless” will make the audience laugh and enjoy it (something they had previously done with Blackfish, which I also hated, especially when his behavior to Edmure made him look like a total hypocrite). I liked a lot of things about this season, but that was one of my biggest problems with it. There is nothing wrong with Brienne in the books, she is a great character who subverts stereotypes, so why the need to “improve” her by playing to stereotype?

      And don’t get me started on the fact that she is in King’s Landing, free, for weeks without trying to talk to Sansa; they seemed to think they were making Brienne “tougher” on the show, but their version of Brienne actually comes off as much weaker – she seems like she couldn’t even decide to uphold her vow until Jamie makes that decision for her, all she could do was try to convince him it’s what they should do.

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    23. TheTouchOfFrost,

      How exactly would he be a replacement for Mya Stone? It’s not like Littlefinger is going to decide to employ him at the Vale for some reason.

      I don’t know why Gendry has to be a replacement for anyone. Has it occurred to anyone that he may actually have his own storyline in the future books?

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    24. Annara Snow,

      Show Brienne is awesome. Book Brienne walked around asking the same question like a parrot for weeks. How come book *fundies* always seem to forget the sucky parts of the books?

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    25. Annara Snow:
      Rygar,

      What?

      Your definition of what is poorly written. Since GRRM would have written Brienne to be late for her almost rape by Bolton’s men and the show clearly showed her on time it is safe to assume that show Brienne is poorly written. Let’s face it, GRRM is the American Tolkien and truly a master of the written word.

      I’m sure glad I picked the right week to quit sarcasm.

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    26. Annara Snow,

      A lot of what you cite as making her badly written I took as trying to show her awkwardness in social situations. It was a bit heavy-handed at times though I agree.

      However, I think that if you asked non-reader viewers about Brienne they would understand the character for the most part. That is the most important aspect in the end.. The show cannot match the books nuance and internal dialog, but if the series can sketch out the broad strokes of the character so the audience understands, the writers have accomplished their prime agenda.

      Sure it could be better, but I’m not sure it was as bad as some think…

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    27. DonalNoyesArm,

      What exactly is awesome about her? Unless you’re one of those people who think that a character is great if they beat so and so in a fight and that this is what it’s all about.

      . How come book *fundies* always seem to forget the sucky parts of the books?

      What are “book *fundies* and what do “sucky parts” of the books have to do with this? And is this your stock answer whenever someone dares to criticize the sucky parts of the show? Sure there are sucky parts in the books, Strong Belwas is a silly character and I’m relieved and glad they cut him from the show. But Brienne is not a “sucky” part of the books, she is a great character.

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    28. Annara Snow,

      I think he was referring to how unbelievably stupid Brienne’s journey was in the beginning of AFFC just going around asking a thousand people if they’ve seen a blue eyed ginger.

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    29. Every Sansa scene this season will be TWOW spoilers and I’m fine with that, I’m looking forward to David and Dan’s version.

      Harry the Heir or no Harry the Heir?

      As to Brienne and Pod, I think Brienne will want to follow Arya and end up in the Riverlands.

      Lady Stoneheart or no, I’m fairly sure she will be meeting the BWB. We should be on the lookout for the guy who plays Thoros

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    30. Annara Snow,

      As opposed to the “genius” arc of her in AFFC that we had to endure i think show Brienne destroys book Brienne in intelligence and personality .

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    31. Perhaps Brienne treated Pod differently in the books because Book!Pod was 10 years old and had been through a very rough time so she took him on out of sympathy. Show!Pod the super stud is in his late teens and his company /squiring was forced upon her against her will. I don’t see how the two situations can be compared?

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    32. Annara Snow,

      I actually like show Brienne better than book Brienne. I think she’s been portrayed as very smart in quite a few situations. While she was escorting (really dragging) Jaime to KL, she was smart enough to figure out what Jaime was planning to do ahead of time. She handled most of his manipulations and efforts to get info out of her very well (except for when he stole her sword on the bridge, nobody is perfect). In the bridge scene, she is actually smarter than Jaime because she knows exposure on the Bridge would probably be disastrous for both of them and it was. Jaime was foolishly reckless there. In fact, I would argue that Jaime was the idiot in that whole journey. He could tell that Brienne was honorable and intended to get him to KL, which is where he wanted to go anyway. But his pride got in the way. He wanted to appear in KL on his own. So he kept trying to escape from her. If he’d behaved, earned her trust, and worked with Brienne, he could have walked into KL safe with his head held high (and with both darn hands). Ultimately, I think one could argue that Jaime is the one who behaved stupidly, not Brienne.

      As for her kindness, just one example….she let that old man who saw them go when Jaime said to kill him. It came back to haunt them but she did it out of honor and kindness. As for Pod, she doesn’t trust him entirely. He was squire to a Lannister that she doesn’t really know and who has a bad reputation (whether Tyrion deserves the rep or not is another debate). And she is so socially awkward and unused to having company on the road that she was very irritated. I would have been irritated to have a guy who can’t ride a darn horse on a long journey with me too. Plus he has no real squiring skills so far as she knows. But as she learns more about him, she begins to trust him and listen to his advice. How is that unkind? I thought her sarcasm with him was funny because Pod underestimates her too in some ways and deserved a bit of ribbing.

      Again, as jentario said, naivete is not necessarily the same as stupidity. IMO it only becomes stupidity if the character never learns better. Like Sansa, who is losing her naivete, finally. Brienne has and will lose more of it as time goes on. It’s crucial to her story arc in the books and in the show.

      Ultimately blanket statements that show Brienne is stupid, poorly written, etc just don’t hold water considering the evidence I’ve listed here and her popularity with non-readers. She comes across as pretty great to the majority of people. And in a TV show, as Darquemode pointed out, that’s what they need to do. They don’t need to please the disconnected few who think they know the characters better than everyone else and think they should be the final arbiters of how the story is written for the show.

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    33. This site has actual news about Game of Thrones filming. WiC has a post about makeup followed by ads that trick you into clicking on them

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    34. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

      You just listed reasons why she was well written in season 3, which I agree with. You didn’t really convince me that she wasn’t badly written in season 4.

      As for “popularity among non-book readers”, I can only take your word for it, I haven’t seen any polls that show how popular she is with the Unsullied, and I haven’t seen any Unsullied say that she is one of their favorites. But even if she is really popular with the portion of the viewers, that doesn’t mean that the character is well-written. There are lots of people who enjoy stereotypical characters because they “kick ass”, among both book readers and show viewers.

      And it’s not like book!Brienne was this terribly unpopular character, so they somehow needed to “fix” her.

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    35. Annara Snow:
      DonalNoyesArm,

      What exactly is awesome about her? Unless you’re one of those people who think that a character is great if they beat so and so in a fight and that this is what it’s all about.

      What are “book *fundies* and what do “sucky parts” of the books have to do with this? And is this your stock answer whenever someone dares to criticize the sucky parts of the show? Sure there are sucky parts in the books, Strong Belwas is a silly character and I’m relieved and glad they cut him from the show. But Brienne is not a “sucky” part of the books, she is a great character.

      Wow, well, let’s just keep this civil, shall we? Mr. Brown has his opinions just as Rygar, Jentario and everyone else on here. I am livid out of my mind we don’t/won’t have character-who-must-not-be-named, but I am not going to rail on someone here because of it. 🙂

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    36. To throw gas on the fire, I for one (and maybe I’m the only one) totally enjoyed Brienne’s wandering – thought it was beautifully written

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    37. All Hail the Wolf Girl:
      Perhaps Brienne treated Pod differently in the books because Book!Pod was 10 years old and had been through a very rough time so she took him on out of sympathy.Show!Pod the super stud is in his late teens and his company /squiring was forced upon her against her will.I don’t see how the two situations can be compared?

      Pod is a “super stud” only in bad jokes that the show likes to impose on us. How is Brienne supposed to know that he is a “super stud”, unless she spends her time talking to prostitutes about their clients? To everyone who’s not in on the joke/gossip, he’s just a clueless, ordinary-looking, not very highborn young squire.

      TaviColen123,

      I’m sure she does, if you enjoy over-confident, incompetent doofuses who like to bully their sidekicks but can’t make a decision for themselves unless their beloved makes it for them.

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    38. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

      I dunno. He seemed to be trying to make amends for being an idiot in the past. Still not as likeable as Gendry and ultimately a bit pointless so won’t be missed or really needs to be replaced.
      I think one of the reasons I dislike show Brienne more than book Brienne is because book Brienne was more sympathetic and the qualities she showed were more endearing. For example, she was more naive (calling her stupid is a bit harsh!) in the books and was discovering what being a knight and the strange concept of chivalry was all about. You kind of went on that journey with her. You also got more backstory about how committed to being a knight she had to be to get there and why she values it. Plus the crap she had to put up with from others to follow her dream. Show Brienne seems to have been a case of; “right, let’s put a strong female character in there who can fight” and that’s about it. They have yet to inject the same personality and likeability as the books IMO. Hopefully that will come this season.

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    39. Ragman’s Harbor:
      Every Sansa scene this season will be TWOW spoilers and I’m fine with that

      Unless they’re going with filler.

      Has there been any casting info for the Vale in terms of minor roles? (there’s obviously been no word of anyone major)

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    40. Annara Snow,

      One of Robert’s bastard (like Mia) who has found a place to lay low and is a friendly ear for Sansa

      . It could fit but ultimately is it really needed?
      We have no idea what Gendry does in the books so this change may make it easier for his finale? I’m not massively committed to the idea as Gendry isn’t a massively important character but I think they’ll give him some closure as he’s featured more in the show. It’s s shame he doesn’t look like he’ll get him moment of glory

      where he saves Brienne from Biter

      but they may interact at some point in this series. Hey. Who knows where he is showise at this point in time?!

      EDIT: Nope. Still not got a spoiler button here!

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    41. Annara Snow: Pod is a “super stud” only in bad jokes that the show likes to impose on us. How is Brienne supposed to know that he is a “super stud”, unless she spends her time talking to prostitutes about their clients? To everyone who’s not in on the joke/gossip, he’s just a clueless, ordinary-looking, not very highborn young squire.

      OK but you don’t think a grown woman who we should remember was almost raped is going to behave differently towards a teenager/young man than to a vulnerable 10 year old child?

      Seems entirely consistent that she’d make sure he knows she’s boss and will stand no nonsense.

      Brienne’s POV chapters are some I could very happily not read again on a readthrough TBH.

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    42. Ali,

      Was just about to post this! But they’re yours, so better that you do really. Sansa is riding at the head of the Knights of the Vale, with black garb and black hair. I believe LF is amongst them also, as well as another figure I can’t identify.

      Were they being filmed by the same unit at the same time btw? Or did they seem to be separate scenes?

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    43. Ali,

      Thank you for posting these!

      ETA: Greenjones, that is the black cloak Petyr Baelish wore last season. You can tell by the slits for his hands in the front.

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    44. Patchy Face,

      I didn’t mind it to be honest. I mean she did genuinely have no idea where to look for either of the Stark girls so it fitted with the plot. Quite enjoyed the fights she had with the bandits and Rorge and Biter and also the Quiet Isle stuff (which was a nice counterpoint to the religious madness going on in KL!) Sadly, that’s probably all gone now or at least going to be jigged around quite a bit!

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    45. *spoilery post below, I can’t use spoiler tags from here*

      About whether or not Brienne’s and Sansa’s scene are going to collide this season, there may even be another option. They may have them deal, at times, with the same ‘plot’, so that Brienne’s actions may reflect at times in Sansa’s storyline and viceversa. This would make the storyline less complicated while still not having them meet.
      It may as well leave room for equivalent scenes of the most important events from Brienne’s story in AFFC.

      I also feel like a potential cut of

      LS/BWB/Counterparts and the meeting with Jaime later on

      would be a big spoiler fot TWOW as it means that that whole plot wasn’t going to have any important consequences to begin with.

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    46. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Based on the coding in your post when I edited, it looks like you were not using the right code. The button that says “code” above the reply box is not the correct thing to use for spoilers. Instructions are at the top of the comment thread and in the FAQ. Sorry for the inconvenience! I edited this post for you.

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    47. Annara Snow,

      And what sense did Brienne make in AFFC being the exact same character as two books ago with no developement whatsoever even though all she’s been through with Jaime and him explaining to her that being honorable doesn’t keep you alive and yet she ignores all of this and learns nothing? I’m sorry but show Brienne is more realistic and makes more sense than book Brienne ever did,at least she knows when the shit hits the fan you need to act out. As for her being rude towards Pod,big deal,i don’t see how that makes her character badly written as you say,she just expected more from a squire especially when Jaime vouched for him,i expect their relashionship to improve next season anyway .

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    48. Annara Snow,

      I’m sure she does, if you enjoy over-confident, incompetent doofuses who like to bully their sidekicks but can’t make a decision for themselves unless their beloved makes it for them.

      I just can’t get over how different your perception of show Brienne is from mine (and many others). How is she over-confident? Like it or not Brienne does kick ass and her abilities in that regard shouldn’t be in question. On the show she beats the Hound for crying out loud. And no, that’s not the only reason I like Brienne (both in the books and the show–although it is refreshing to see a woman who is as tough as she is). But there is so much more to her. And as I said before, I didn’t take her treatment of Pod as bullying. As for decision making, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Please explain.

      TheTouchOfFrost,

      I dunno. He seemed to be trying to make amends for being an idiot in the past.

      When I read the book

      Ser Hyle did not come across as sincere or ultimately caring about Brienne’s best interests. And even if I did misunderstand that, there is no denying that he ultimately didn’t respect her or her abilities. For that alone his character can go sod off and that’s why Gendry shouldn’t replace him.

      For example, she was more naive (calling her stupid is a bit harsh!) in the books and was discovering what being a knight and the strange concept of chivalry was all about.

      I didn’t mean to imply that she was stupid in the books, but I did mean to say that she doesn’t come across as smart as show Brienne. As for discovering the strange concept of chivalry…I think she is going through that in the show. They’ve made a big deal of her conversations and experience with Jaime about what Honor really is, how it can be twisted and used against a person, how a person’s actions could be misconstrued and judged unfairly, and just how hard, if not impossible, it can be to keep all of one’s oaths in their society. Their system is faulty as Jaime has pointed out to her and she is learning it the hard way in both the show and the book. Of course we can’t get POV and that is what makes adapting the show so difficult. But overall I think they’ve done a good job with Brienne and hope they continue to do so.

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    49. Annara Snow:
      vectner,

      When did she show herself to be smart in the show? Book!Brienne is not a genius, but she showed nowhere hear show!Brienne’s stupidity and incompetence seen in season 4. Plus, book!Brienne was younger and less experienced, and was portrayed as idealistic and believing in chivalry, similar to how Sansa used to be, and she was also nice and kind to people, so her naivete was endearing. Show!Brienne, on the other hand, is needlessly mean and dismissive to her social inferiors she sees as useless (Podrick, Hot Pie) and comes off as a bully – maybe they were going for a funny dynamic between her and Pod, but it doesn’t work because there is no back and forth (Pod is just a nice young man an doesn’t snark back), and she is not funny when she mocks people, like, say, Olenna (and the fact she was respectful to her social superiors on the other hand does not make her look good – unlike someone like Olenna, who mocks *everybody*, whoever they are). Therefore her incompetence and stupid moments come off as far more jarring.

      In short, they wrote her really badly in season 4 – and I can only conclude that this came as a result of a combination of 1) plot issues and 2) the desire to, for some reason, make Brienne into a stereotypical “warrior woman” who must be hard, unpleasant and dismissive just because she is big and strong and dressed in a “masculine” way, 3) the unfortunate idea that making characters mock and bully someone who is portrayed as “stupid” or “useless” will make the audience laugh and enjoy it (something they had previously done with Blackfish, which I also hated, especially when his behavior to Edmure made him look like a total hypocrite). I liked a lot of things about this season, but that was one of my biggest problems with it.There is nothing wrong with Brienne in the books, she is a great character who subverts stereotypes, so why the need to “improve” her by playing to stereotype?

      And don’t get me started on the fact that she is in King’s Landing, free, for weeks without trying to talk to Sansa; they seemed to think they were making Brienne “tougher” on the show, but their version of Brienne actually comes off as much weaker – she seems like she couldn’t even decide to uphold her vow until Jamie makes that decision for her, all she could do was try to convince him it’s what they should do.

      I have to agree with you here, show Brienne is a fucking bully that is constantly pissed off at everything. I also think that besides being badly written the actress portraying her is not very good, so when they tell her “look tough” all she can do is put the “constipation face” over and over.

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    50. DonalNoyesArm:
      Annara Snow,

      Show Brienne is awesome. Book Brienne walked around asking the same question like a parrot for weeks. How come book *fundies* always seem to forget the sucky parts of the books?

      Book Brienne is boring but at least is not annoying as hell..well it’s annoying in a different way, like you want to punch her so she would wake the fuck up already, and not punch her for being an idiotic bully

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    51. Annara Snow:
      TheTouchOfFrost,

      Yes, you hit the nail on the head. They seem to think “Strong Female Character (TM) who can kick ass” is all the characterization she needs.

      Just because you say something doesn’t necessarily make it true. I think show-Brienne is an improvement over the book. And it isn’t because she “kicks ass”. Brienne begins with an idealistic view of the world. When I watch her in the show I see her character develop before my eyes as she struggles to reconcile her ideals with the harsh realities she’s confronted with. Her experiences change her, especially the ones with Jaime. I can see the nuance in Christie’s performance. There’s a world-weariness which is already beginning to set in. She still believes in her oaths and ideals but I sense a sadness creeping over her. Show-Brienne is learning from her experiences. I don’t feel the same way about book-Brienne.

      GRRM gets praised for having realistic characters and rightly so. But in the case of book-Brienne she comes off as too pure, too naive, too chivalrous, too narrow-minded and most of all… too good. I can admire her but I find it difficult to relate to her. Show-Brienne feels more like a real person.

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    52. Sunfyre: Just because you say something doesn’t necessarily make it true.I think show-Brienne is an improvement over the book.And it isn’t because she “kicks ass”.Brienne begins with an idealistic view of the world.When I watch her in the show I see her character develop before my eyes as she struggles to reconcile her ideals with the harsh realities she’s confronted with.Her experiences change her, especially the ones with Jaime.I can see the nuance in Christie’s performance.There’s a world-weariness which is already beginning to set in.She still believes in her oaths and ideals but I sense a sadness creeping over her.Show-Brienne is learning from her experiences.I don’t feel the same way about book-Brienne.

      GRRM gets praised for having realistic characters and rightly so.But in the case of book-Brienne she comes off as too pure, too naive, too chivalrous, too narrow-minded and most of all… too good.I can admire her but I find it difficult to relate to her.Show-Brienne feels more like a real person.

      This.

      Book!Brienne is clearly an exemplar of the “Parfit, gentil, knight” that Sansa is mooning over at the start of GoT and a counterweight to the mainly sadistic male knights that actually make up most of the Westerosi nobility. There’s nothing greatly wrong with that projection by GRRM but to me Show!Brienne is more realistic, flawed as she is.

      She is still essentially a “good” character and someone you’d be happy with as an ally but she has been and is being worn down by the dishonour and grimness of all that she experiences out in the real world. In fact as Sansa’s illusions of chivalry were broken down so is Brienne herself becoming cynical and seeing like the Starks that the breakdown of honour and justice change your outlook of the natural order of things.

      No better or worse than the book merely different.

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    53. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
      Pau,

      Tell us how you really feel!

      Lol sorry, went to the doctor today and he told me my Aquilles tendon injuries are worst than I thought so I guess I’m a bit jumpy 😉

      Anyway, I don’t like neither book brienne, nor show brienne, but even if I find her boring I have to say book brienne is better written, imo.

      Edit: What I’m trying to say is that I can see how Brienne’s journey in the book makes sense, and why some people find her interesting. I hated Sansa while reading the books, and after coming here and reading all what the “Sansa lovers” had to say I’ve actually changed my mind about her, and I’m really looking forward to a re-read to see if I can appreciate her chapters more.

      Edit2: Sorry about all the typos, must be the medication

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    54. Although I don’t see it as very likely anymore, because it’s obviously not essential to D&D’s bare-bones version of events, I would have hoped they brought some of

      traveling with Meribald and the Quiet Isle into Brienne’s storyline in season 5. Having the Elder Brother of the Quiet Isle meet Brienne in the first episode perhaps and then merging him with the High Sparrow for later in the season, would be a really good way to introduce Jonathan Pryce’s character outside of King’s Landing first. it would place him in the midst of the devastation caused by the war, and thus focus his motivation for raising the Faith Militant to protect the smallfolk.

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    55. Schrödinger’s Cat,

      I really like that idea.

      The Faith hasn’t really been fleshed out in the show, so the game-changing role it will play in S5 could feel pretty jarring. I hope they do something like your suggestion.
      Brienne’s travels in AFFC had some boring parts , but I really liked the Quiet Isle and Septon Meribald.

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    56. Annara Snow,

      I agree. Book!Brienne although naive, was clever (during her journey with Jaime she threw rocks so they won in a 3 vs 18 men fight, knew that she should not trust a poser- innkeeper, Nimble Dick etc). They haven’t shown that in the show. Although show! Brienne did say to Jaime in Season 4 they should get Sansa away from KL and somewhere safe.

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    57. I love getting all of these pictures and sightings even though we have no idea what’s going on haha.

      Sophie and Aiden (or their stunt doubles) are definitely in those pictures that Ali posted. I wonder who is next to LF though. They look way too old to be Robin, perhaps it’s Harry the Heir or just a minor character.

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    58. Morgan,

      Speculation time! yey!
      for the hairstyle the third figure, he looks like Loras. Maybe they replaced Harry the Heir by Loras? We know (from the last season) that LF is allied now with the Tyrells and Loras is a well-known character by the viewers that doesn’t have a storyline that interesting in the books

      besides teach Tommen how to joust and be boiled alive, and we are not sure of even that

      (and we know for the yesterday’s pictures that Finn Jones was filming)

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    59. Pau,

      I thought Gwen nailed her performance of Brienne. In the books Jaime observed she is always scowling and looks miserable. So show! Brienne is exactly as I imagined her to be. Specially since Gwen is so bubbly and girly in real life.

      Also Pod is 10 years old in the books so book! Brienne easily trsuted him. In the books Brienne however is always dismissive and distrustful of the older knights and men she meets.
      Since the show did not cast Hyle Hunt and other men in the books, and show! Pod is older, I guess show! Brienne is dismissive and distrustful of Pod because the writers made him represent the older men in the books they could not cast.
      Plus if the

      sword or noose

      happens in the show, I believe the writers would want the unsullied viewers to think that Brienne would choose Jaime because she appears to be not so very fond of Pod. So the viewers will be surprised

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    60. Morgan: Sophie and Aiden (or their stunt doubles) are definitely in those pictures that Ali posted. I wonder who is next to LF though. They look way too old to be Robin, perhaps it’s Harry the Heir or just a minor character.

      At first I thought the third guy looked a bit like Mark Gatiss, but the hair ain’t right, and then again, what would he be doing there anyhow…

      Auren: [F]or the hairstyle the third figure, he looks like Loras.

      I don’t think he got enough hair to be Loras either, though.

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    61. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

      I wasn’t claiming you said she was stupid but some others had made that accusation!
      I guess it’s about your preferene. For me, I find Book Briennes character development a lot more interesting. She’s gone from a green, naive knight to someone who is starting to understand that honour doesn’t always mean doing the right thing. She’s started to get physically and mentally scarred and it’s making her mature whilst still retaining likeable qualitites like her perserverence. Just hope the

      LS (or whoever may replace her) inclusion or exclusion

      storyline allows this concept to fully play out as sending her off into the world randomly doesn’t bode too well for her development. Show Brienne is just too cold and unsympathetic for me. The only good scenes she’s had have been those with Jaime. But we shall see what they have planned for her next season.

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    62. I could be totally off but looking at the pictures again, the one with the woman in front, I do believe that is suppose to be Sansa. Probably a stand-in for Sophie, since she is allergic to horses if I remember correctly. But looking further down the row of riders, one of them appears to be wearing jeans. So, I don’t think it’s an action shot or anything that will tell us much.
      As for Brienne and Pod…both would be able to recognize Sansa, so I think the “meet” will likely be a near-miss. I think both are looking for Arya, now that they know she is alive and really have no idea where to go to look for Sansa. I still think, 100%, they will end up at the Quiet Isle. If I recall my Westeros map layout, they aren’t that far, especially if they got turned around after the run in with Arya/Hound, and could easily be headed in that direction.
      I am probably reiterating a lot of what has already been said here but I rushed through the other comments. Sorry, ya’ll.

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    63. Pau: I have to agree with you here, show Brienne is a fucking bully that is constantly pissed off at everything. I also think that besides being badly written the actress portraying her is not very good, so when they tell her “look tough” all she can do is put the “constipation face” over and over.

      Interesting that so many see her as a bully. I think Gwen has done a great job of showing her gruffness to be a defensive facade. To win her trust, one must be patient. The scene with the armor is pretty clearly showing her defensiveness when she tells Pod that (despite being a woman) she is perfectly capable of removing her own armor (because she’s never had the benefit of a squire, being a woman, and she’s not going to suffer any jibes about it!) The parentheses are the subtext that I imagine during that scene, especially given how the conversation ends with her showing just the slightest crack in her shell and wondering whether or not Pod’s solicitousness may be trustworthy. That “constipation face” occurs a lot because that is the mask on the shell that she wears, which is seldom removed. IMO, Gwen’s doing an outstanding job and the adaptation choices are portraying a little of the nuance of her character from the books.
      I, too, am hoping for just a little bit of Septon Meribald and especially The Quiet Isle and Elder Brother (and a gravedigger…)

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    64. Auren,

      I really don’t think it’s Loras either. I’m actually interested in his storyline in the books, though

      I think the extent of his injuries sustain at Dragonstone were exaggerated and that the Tyrell’s are up to something.

      In regards to the show,

      I’m curious to see if they’re still going to have him join the Kingsguard or not.

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    65. Ashara D: That “constipation face” occurs a lot because that is the mask on the shell that she wears, which is seldom removed. IMO, Gwen’s doing an outstanding job and the adaptation choices are portraying a little of the nuance of her character from the books.

      Surely I must be missing something because seems I’m the only one that thinks she’s a bad actress…but in my opinon a better actor would portray those nuances with more subtelty. Or maybe I’m being spoiled by Dinklage performances.

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    66. Pau,

      Hahahaha! Yep, we must see different things. I love Peter Dinklage and I really can’t see anyone else as Tyrion, but, just like you with Gwen, there are things that sometimes take me out of his performance. Not saying Gwen’s perfect either, but…they can’t all be Charles Dance or Conleth Hill, right?

      Hope you’re feeling better! Take care of yourself. 🙂

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    67. pau:
      Very dissapointed they’re not filming in Iceland…some of the most beatiful shots from last season were the Thingvelir ones, and the Hound and Brienne fight ones

      Yep. And Iceland has many locations that would be perfect for the show.

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