Sophie Turner is featured in the newest edition of UK InStyle, sharing with the magazine her fashion sense and details about growing up in Warwickshire.
The actress touches upon a few Game of Thrones items in the interview such as her co-stars and a couple hints at season 5.
Of the actress that plays Margaery Tyrell, Turner says, “Just before my 16th birthday, Natalie Dormer said to me, ‘As soon as you turn 16, you’re going to work adult hours, people will try to take advantage of you, so it’s important not to be a pushover.’ Now I’m a total pushover and I let people work me too hard so, in hindsight, that was probably some very good advice!’
As for season 5, Turner says, “Well, there’s a lot of death – as always! I’m also really excited for Arya’s storyline. But in terms of my character Sansa, let’s just say she spots a few familiar faces…”
Speculation with spoilers from Season 5 filming below the cut!
This remark is interesting because we’ve had interviews recently from other cast members hinting at seeing someone they’ve seen before (Alfie Allen) and that we can expect big changes and travels through the Vale of Arryn (via Aidan Gillen).
There’s been heavy speculation that Sansa may wind up at Winterfell near Theon and Ramsay, but it’s worth noting in late July, Brienne and Pod were spotted filming scenes close to Sansa, Littlefinger and several knights of the Vale, around Sallagh Braes in Northern Ireland. A direct interaction was not seen, but the shooting of the scenes were so close together that many fans speculated then that a meeting between these two parties might occur. Brienne and Pod would certainly be familiar faces to Sansa, from her time in King’s Landing. Turner could also be referring to minor characters from the Vale of Arryn such as Lady Waynwood or Lord Royce but it seems unlikely Turner would think it was notable to see them again.
So what do you think, readers? Sansa meeting Brienne and Pod in the Vale, or Ramsay and Theon (again) in the North? Or both? Anything’s possible this year.
No idea and that’s exciting !
All we know for sure is that Sansa will meet Nodor.
well i’m 60% sure the whole Sansa/Winterfell plot will now take place; the other 40% is hope for Sansa/Briene-Pod.
For the love of god, please don’t let them send Sansa to Winterfell.
I’m confused as to why people think Sansa’s going to Winterfell. Isn’t she trying to not be found by Cersei et al? Showing up back in Winterfell, currently being squatted in by the Boltons, isn’t really the best way to stay hidden.
It just seems so much more likely that she’ll run into Brienne and Pod.
Sansa rescues the Hound?!?!
Daniel,
Brienne & Pod meeting Sansa, Sansa refusing her and Littlefinger sending knights of the Vale after them was confirmed by the leaked script summary. The other possibility is just a theory.
Didn’t think of that .. The hound was in the vale that be awesome
BeautyBrienne,
not has Sansa but Alayne Stone.
Sansa is not going to Winterfell. It’s a theory that makes no sense regarding motivations/logical reasoning with the characters. Littlefinger would never marry her off or send her to Ramsay in Winterfell, there is absolutely zero profit for him or reason to do this. He will lost his control and reasoning to have her under his wing. The only reason people are speculating this is because in the trailer there is Sansa is in a scene with a door/bathtub that matches the ones previously used in Winterfell. People tend to forget they reuse set pieces many times for different sets. The fact that Theon said he is going to see familiar faces and Sansa has said that too does NOT mean they will meet each other or that their stories will be interwoven.
I wouldn’t consider it “confirmed” by something posted by an anonymous person on reddit. The Sallagh Braes filming spotting in July made the meeting seem likely. It seems even likelier now.
Sue the Fury,
The leaked script summary (which as far as I know originated in Facebook, not Reddit, though I may be wrong) predicted exact lines we saw on the trailer (“Who said anything about ‘him’?”) and completely invented scenes (Cersei and Jaime receiving a box with a dead viper inside, which has Myrcella’s necklace in its jaw), back in August. So I’d say that everything there is pretty much confirmed.
No idea what they’ll do with Sansa (sending her to Winterfell would be a smart condensing of storylines and fits with other changes D&D have done in the past (Gendry/Edric Storm), but it would make her a victim in need of a rescue again, so I don’t really like the idea)… but I love this back and forth between different interviews and people going crazy over every sentence a cast member says 😉
Haha! That would be awesome!
Might be Winterfell. Might have to punch a wall or two because of that.
If Sansa/Alayne crosses paths with Brienne and Podrick, she would learn that 1. Arya is alive and 2. Sandor is [presumed] dead. If Arya is thought to be alive then she may well end up as “fake-Arya” instead of the book’s Jeyne Poole character and then go North to meet up with Ramsay and Theon.
Ena of Oldstones,
I don’t see why people are so upset about that.
It’d be plot holes galore. Why would the Boltons risk their alliance with the Lannisters by sheltering Sansa Stark, which would be exactly what they’d be doing, intentional or not. It makes no sense. The theories she goes as Alayne Stone hold no weight either. Why would Roose marry his heir to a bastard girl?
So there’d be no question, this is Sansa Stark. But the Northern Lords would march on Winterfell in about 10 seconds flat if they knew for sure the Boltons had Ned’s first born daughter.
It’s going to take a lot of work on D&D’s part to explain this if they go in this direction, which leads me to think they’re not going in this direction. At least I hope not.
pui,
It seems bizarre to me to claim something would be potholes galore when we have so few clues as to how this storyline would play out.
Sansa’s storyline sounds more and more filler-ish…….I’m fearing the worst (staying in the Vale without LF doing nothing except meeting old faces)
I really hope she’ll be in Winterfell (not as fSansa huh) but Aidan’s interview restaured my doubts…
Yivo,
Because it’s a really terrible idea. It makes no logical sense for any of the people involved (except possibly the Boltons, if they can take her as a hostage, but that just redoubles the point of why it’s idiotic for Sansa or Littlefinger to want her in that position), and it completely screws up Sansa’s own story arc, including, most obviously, the importance of her relationship with Littlefinger — it makes no sense to separate her from him permanently and send her off tramping through the snows to meet Stannis.
Sean C.,
Who says she’s meeting Stannis? Where are you getting any of this from? All we know is she’s possibly going to Winterfell. The circumstances are completely up in the air. Littlefinger could be going as well for all we know. She could be going up there with an army. It could be anything. Who says she’s just being given to the Boltons?
Really like that thought.
It would (bookspoiler/speculation)
Yivo,
I think you’re one season ahead of what’s probable.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Based off of what?
Yivo,
Pretty much the whole basis for this “Sansa in Winterfell” speculation is the idea that she’s going to replace Jeyne Poole, whose primary purpose is for Theon to rescue her and escape.
Anyone thinking Sansa can’t be married to the Boltons because she’s being wanted for Tyrions murder, think this:
Sansa was married to Tyrion to secure the North for house Lannister. Tyrion became a traitor to that house, the Boltons are not. Quite the opposite. It actually does make sense to marry her to trusted allies from their point of view. Simply shift all the blame for Joffreys murder to Tyrion, and done. From Sansa’s point of view…she doesn’t know the Boltons were part of the Red Wedding, or does she? With no Starks left in Winterfell, they could simply be the ones that moved in – not the ones that murdered her family. So it could happen.
Kyrenna,
Sean C.,
That is certainly an option, but there’s no real evidence that points to that specific storyline. People are just being constrained by what’s in the books when it comes to theorising.
Okay, all, I HAVE to weigh in here. I’ve been reading the comments about
and I think it’s going to happen. And I wanted to counter the argument that having Sansa go there means a reversal in her progression from “Barbie to Boudica” (as Wimsey likes to title it).
First GRRM never has his characters go from point A to Z in a straight line. There are fits and starts, setbacks and jumps forward….just like real life. So assuming that Sansa is on a straight forward path to warrior princess does not fit the pattern.
Second why does everyone keep saying that sending her there will deny her agency? Isn’t that assuming she is still the same weak girl that she started out as….have some faith! In a couple of years she went from a cowering, simpering child to the kind of woman who isn’t afraid to lie and manipulate Lords and LF, arguably the most dangerous sociopath she has yet encountered (Joffrey notwithstanding).
This D&D story change (or maybe it’s something that does happen in TWOW, only the book publishing will ever clear that up) has me VERY excited for the new season. I actually think it’s going to be brilliant for the Unsullied because it will ratchet up the tension to 11. Imagine it,
These possibilities have me more stoked than any other potential story line (except perhaps Jon’s).
But it’s not my enthusiasm for the change that is my reasoning. I think there is plenty of evidence to suggest this is a definite possibility and those saying it can’t be done because it would take her backwards are not thinking through all the possibilities nor accepting Sansa’s new found confidence and agency (while at the same time insisting that she must show more agency, ironically enough).
I really don’t get the people insisting that Sansa would go to Winterfell. She has her own story and the series wouldn’t just drop all that to make her play the part of a minor character who can be done away with or played by a completely new person.
Even though the showrunners have gone to some pains to keep all the storylines roughly in sync–even eliminating Bran for one season so he won’t outpace the others–I’m wondering if there might not be some combining plots going on here as well, if indeed Sansa’s Season 5 plot is dipping into TWOW territory:
For the love of god people, give up this Sansa in Winterfell nonsense. It makes absolutely no sense in any angle whatsoever. So the Bolton’s are just going to undermine Lannister authority that has been built up for 3 seasons? Even if she isn’t going by her own name, this secret agent/Manderly character in Winterfell will not be taken by her. Not only that but to have her subjected to Ramsay will just be a return to her damsel in distress storyline that she only just got out of! Even Sophie Turner said she’s stepping away from Stark/Tully, and becoming her own person. Is she suddenly then going to be a pawn for Littlefinger to send away? The most logical conclusion to who she’s referring to here is Pod/Brienne. The characters are close to each other geographically in the show and Brienne is actively searching for Sansa.
Seriously, you guys have no credible argument here. Alfie’s comments could have been referring to Mance or Stannis for all we know. Based on one screenshot of Sansa in a bathtub that supposedly ‘looks’ like a Winterfell setting……
Luka Nieto,
I’m very curious at how the North storyline plays out. Judging from all these great speculations for and against, pretty much anything is possible.
I know some people doesn’t like the sound of Sansa in Winterfell, but personally I would be – if that’s where her story is heading that is – pretty excited if that’s the case. In contrary to most, I also think this theory has some serious legs to stand on.
Littlefinger uses Sansa’s thirst for vengeance against her (“There’s no vengeance in this world, not unless we make it”), by marrying her off to Ramsay Bolton. At Winterfell she would probably appear as either fArya or some powerful Lady from the Vale (possibly LF’s legitimized bastard daughter, if he somehow manages to cease control over the Vale after Robyn Arryn’s inevitable death). This would certainly be a great marriage pact for Roose Bolton, who would then have a direct alliance with the Lord of the Vale, to use against the Greyjoys and Stannis. The Lannisters certainly wouldn’t pay much attention towards this either, if Sansa’s true identity would be kept hidden from The Freys and The Boltons at Winterfell.
Most people seem to debunk this entire theory based on the fact that we’ve already seen a vulnerable Sansa in the clutch of a murderous psychopath. I, however, don’t think she will be a vulnerable Sansa this time though – if this theory would come to pass. I’d imagine her a lot more like what Margaery was for Joffrey. Margaery manipulated Joffrey, and made him like her by pretending to like the crazy things that he liked to do (remember that creepy crossbow scene in Season 3 episode 2’s “Dark Wings, Dark Words”?). Still, some northern Lords must recognize her, right? That’s true. There’s no way that every northern Lord wouldn’t recognize her. However that’s probably all part of the plan – The Northern Conspiracy.
I’d imagine that Sansa would develop a pretty close relationship with Theon, since he would be the only person there that she knew from her childhood. Ramsay would probably take a great liking in Sansa if she would pretend to share the same interests as him. This probably wouldn’t sit very well with Myranda, who probably would get herself killed while spotting Sansa conspiring with Theon. Myranda wouldn’t be the only one to die though. More and more people would begin to die from mysterious circumstances within the walls of Winterfell. Just like in the books, the Bolton bannermen would start blaming each other. This would not only weaken their defenses but also their minds, since they wouldn’t know who to trust. I think this would also lead straight into The Battle of Ice (whether this part of the theory would be realized this season or next season, remains to be seen). Roose Bolton marches out with the majority of his army to battle Stannis. Ramsay would stay behind to watch over Winterfell at his father’s request. This would be the opportune time to strike. All of the northern men left at Winterfell would betray the remaining Boltons and murder Ramsay. They would then put Sansa on the throne of Winterfell (“The northerners will never forget”). Stannis defeats Roose at the battle.
Littlefinger would’ve now have gained the entire North through manipulating Sansa. He would then later order the murder on Balon Greyjoy and make it look like an accident. He would also manipulate Theon into attending the upcoming Kingsmoot. This could be a nice way to introduce Euron. If this turns out to be true, then I think that Theon would take Victarion’s place in the story, and possibly head towards Mereen. If he would return, he would return with an army at his side. He would defeat Euron and claim the Seastone Chair for himself (but really for Bealish). Now Littlefinger would have gained the Iron Islands as well. After that….I don’t know.
This was just a theory. And just like every theory this theory obviously has holes, but those could be filled in by professional writers (D&D), unlike myself.
I think it makes more sense to assume she was talking about Brienne. Not Theon and Ramsay.
There have been loads of wild fan theories that turned out to be wrong. Dagmar as Ramsay, Talisa as a honeypot, Tyrion not killing Tywin and Shae because D&D are white washing him, Roz as fArya, etc.
Anything is possible, but chances are this is just another speculation that won’t come to pass.
Or Greatjon Umber….
Who says the Lannisters aren’t in on it? Not impossible that LF tells them about it when he get’s to KL. You’re assuming a number of things in your post for very little reason.
The Lannister authority died at the end of S4.
And what people who believed in this theory thought it would happen with Tyrion, Shae and Tywin?
Hodoreo, if it were just the shape of the bathtub or the look of a door, it would be one thing, but at this point, it’s more along the lines of a thousand not so little cuts (cross-posting this list from another thread with similar discussion):
1. No new Vale castings.
2. LF spends part of the season in KL, possibly for multiple episodes, and there’s no indication that Sansa is with him.
3. Both Alfie and Sophie make allusions to storylines crossing over in Season 5, with particular emphasis on their own storylines. Sophie says “a lot of mingling” takes place in Season 5. Some have suggested that Sansa is just referencing Pod and Brienne, but we have pretty reliable spoilers that the extent of their interaction, if any, is LF having them chased off in Episode 2, meaning that whatever interaction they have is either nonexistent or brief.
4. Sophie Turner has said that her Season 5 storyline “goes in a completely different direction,” suggesting that she doesn’t wind up going on a sedate tour of the Vale as advertised in 4×08.
5. Sophie Turner has said that her Season 5 storyline gives her the opportunity to work with “new people” and goes in a “completely different direction,” but there have been no new Vale castings, and the established Vale characters would not be “new people,” as she’s already worked with them in Season 4.
6. Sophie Turner has said that Sansa will undergo a “lot of hardships” in Season 5, and has specifically referenced filming a “super traumatic” scene that was supposedly difficult for the crew members to watch.
7. Recapped.com, a celebrity nudity spoiler site which has been unerring with respect to its accuracy regarding GOT in the past, posts a “rumour”–although all of the spoilers on that site have been described as “rumours”–that Sansa’s bath from the trailer is in preparation for her wedding, which will take place and which will be consummated. No news of Harry the Heir or any similar characters being cast.
Hodoreo,
Mance Rayder is a nobody in the show, Alfie wasn’t referring to him.
By Lannisters, I assume you mean Cersei. And yeah Cersei is going to be totally cool with ‘murderous little bitch’ Sansa marrying her allies in the North. I don’t see any problems there…
M,
The evidences are all there but I wouldn’t call it a win yet, the recent Aidan Gillen interview scares me though. I don’t want Sansa to stay in the Vale alone, it would be as boring as Bran’s storyline.
D&D need to spice things up for TV while making sense. And I think they can make this work.
Dame Pasty,
You too? Sadist.
Re-inhabiting Winterfell is the “end-game” for the Starks….mummery is what is on the table now.
For the same reason that Dany hasn’t invaded Westeros, that Arya is in Braavos, that Jon is working with Stannis to understand the WW threat and wildling dilemma, that Bran is not controlling everyone…Sansa is like them this season…learning the game and its consequences. There are many, many possibilities for Sansa for this season in the Vale and nearby Riverlands (as many have pontificated and summarized) to reasonably prep her for what is to come. We don’t need the tension of more possible Sansa abuse in WF to get us through an exciting season.
I think it is you who have given up faith, DP. Please come back south of the Neck, where the truth lies. 🙂
Hodoreo,
Doesn’t really matter if she’s okay with it. She can’t afford a war with the Vale.
He murdered her brothers and the Stark household and sacked the castle (as far as she knows).
Ozymandias,
I’m not saying it’s a slam dunk, but there’s a lot that doesn’t add up about the idea that Sansa will stick around in the Vale, and I don’t see Aidan Gillen’s lack of mention in the interview of a Winterfell road trip for Sansa as definitive, any more than his lack of mention in the interview of a KL road trip for LF as definitive.
Also, the recapped.com stuff bugs me. Their “rumours” have been 100.0% on the money for GOT in the past. If the recapped.com material is accurate this time, that’s the ball game right there.
The list of non-believers grows smaller every day. But holdouts gonna holdout I guess.
It’s amazing how blissfully unaware a lot of theorists are concerning geography, particularly in Westeros. Each episode begins with animation that travels across Westeros and Essos, highlighting key places.
So, we get this totally idiotic theory concerning Sansa’s return to Winterfell. Sansa’s in The Vale. To get to Winterfell involves a journey of some distance, along the route where would she pass? What other places would she be closer to than some realise?
At this point, I suggest to those holding to this ludicrous theory, or to those wondering about it, go look at a map.
Does going to Winterfell make sense now?
It would be the worst piece of screenplay writing and book adaption ever. It would show D&D and whoever is the partner-in-crime have total bastardised LF’s arc and masterplan, plus Sansa’s arc (Alayne’s also) to the Nth degree……
All the writers know how fans of the book and show feel about a missing character. There is a chance for redemption that does fill that void, by taking a different slant, and it will work. It’s more believable for the casual show-watcher due to the time lapse over seasons. Plus it would fit with characters’ arcs now that changes take other characters elsewhere. It’s even been hinted at within the show.
The time is right for news of hangings, followed by more news….. Maybe D&D’ll forget all that and skip to
Perhaps they’ll just announce Walder’s done the same, whilst in the process of knocking up his new wife, Elsye. The doors to The Twins are flung open. Riverrun is liberated mysteriously.
All without The Vale’s forces being won to LF’s cause, or, ultimately, to Sansa’s.
HOLY F***!! Why didn’t it…..? Ever had that feeling about being sold down the river, following a red herring? All the while, you’re meant to think Alayne is to wed Ramsey. It’s Lord Petyr Baelish! There’s a secret love affair about to be revealed! GOT gets its first same sex marriage!! Like, you saw THAT coming!!
S**T!! How do you do spoilers? That should’ve been….. Bugger it! I’ll leave it there!
It explains LF going to KL. To get the marriage licence!
Uther Snow,
Cool story bro.
I wonder if Sansa did know Theon’s role in the sack of Winterfell? I don’t remember anything in the TV show that indicated she was aware of that fact. How about the books? Did she know about Theon’s betrayal? I’m not starting an argument, I’m just curious.
I think the Vale tour is Plan A, but it seems that the the run-in with Pod and Brienne will be a catalyst of some kind, since it happens early on. Maybe the encounter leads Littlefinger to panic about word getting back to Cersei that he’s harbouring a fugitive from the crown, thus the hasty and likely unplanned trip to KL to get out ahead of the story, so to speak. We’ve already established that TV LF is not nearly as smooth an operator as Book LF, so it stands to reason that he is caught off guard by Pod and Brienne and is pushed into damage control mode.
Can someone please articulate to me why there has been “heavy speculation” that Sansa will have jack all to do with Winterfell this year besides some people thinking that the fA*** storyline HAS to be in the show in some form? It doesn’t. The script summary on Reddit (which I count as confirmed legit based on the trailer) already told us who Sansa meets.
This will be by far the funniest season to spend on westeros.org.
I can predict that it’s going to be legendary.
You make a persuasive argument.
We’ll find out soon enough.
The episode recap comments will definitely be legendary. . .and crazy. I can’t wait to read those. 🙂
Dame Pasty,
This post was spot on!
I think that it’s pretty likely that Sansa is going to Winterfell but if that happens I don’t think that she’s going there as Sansa Stark and I also find it very unlikely that she would end up marrying Ramsay.
We also saw in the trailer for Season 5 that Brienne and Pod end up back in the Riverlands (on horseback, riding quickly past an inn or barn surrounded by woods/forest).
It seems then that Brienne and Pod, seeing as they were last seen in the Vale at end of Season 4, will likely encounter LF and Alayne, with them ultimately fleeing
and ending up back in the Riverlands.
I don’t go to westeros.org because I can’t stand book purists and their irritating obssesion with GURM and everything he wrote. Their conviction that the D&D areuntalented amateurs and GURM is god of literature is so childish, but also worrisome , because those are mostly adults.
And Reddit ASOIAF is even worse. Their oppsesion with “Only Cat” is insane.
But I have learned to enjoy in their suffering 😀
I’ve had my fill of s5 Sansa speculation. We’ll see what happens. I’m on record as saying she will not be
We’ll find out in a couple of months. Now, if only we could get another trailer or ‘behind the scenes/making of’ feature.
I’m leaning more towards this being the way they go. I also think that LF makes his way to her by the end of the season.
Here’s a possibility too. Maybe this happens, maybe it doesn’t but perhaps in the Brienne confrontation in E1/E2, they could find a way for Robyn to bite it (either inadvertently during the scuffle or LF seeing an opportunity to engineer an “accident”). This might explain why Sansa is so emotional when LF is giving her the “vengeance” speech and it also explains why the Knights of the Vale are so dogged in their pursuit of Brienne/Pod on LF’s orders. It would be kind of funny if Brienne was accused of yet another murder she didn’t commit. You really need to find a way to remove Robyn out of the equation now that the Eyrie isn’t in the picture. He kind of drags down the ability for LF and Sansa to do a whole lot if he’s tagging along everywhere they go. Just a thought.
I am looking forward to Elio&Linda’s recap videos. The horror and dismay in those will be priceless.
That was an interesting question. WHY indeed? Because people like to write stuff 😛
I’d say that ASOIAF fans love speculating and you have to satisfy the need somehow 😀
King Tommen,
LF must have a replacement before Robin dies. If Robin dies now, he’s left without power.
Also, “Alayne” is worthless for the Boltons.
pui,
To address your points:
1)”It’d be plot holes galore. Why would the Boltons risk their alliance with the Lannisters by sheltering Sansa Stark.”
They won’t know she’s Sansa Stark and they wouldn’t care what identity she chooses to go by. Her show alias could be Moonboy for all we know. Just like in the books they don’t care that Jeyne Pool is not the real Arya Stark.
“It makes no sense. The theories she goes as Alayne Stone hold no weight either. Why would Roose marry his heir to a bastard girl?”
Roose Bolton marries his son to Jeyne Pool in the books who is a little above bastard level. The trick is convincing the northern lords that Alayne Stone, Moonboy, Dark hair, or whatever alias they give Sophie Turner’s character is the actual Arya Stark.
“And why would Jon care once he finds out the Boltons have some random girl named Alayne Stone?”
Because Jon hears that the Bolton’s have “Arya Stark”, just like in the books.
It’s going to be depressing with all the stupidity there imo. During the season I can’t read their show section.
I wish that would happen, that would be amazing.
Also this season is a good time for the unkiss, they could show it with a “flashback”!
It’s going to be hilarious! So many people have put themselves so firmly in one camp or another about what they know is or isn’t going to happen – either way, there will be an awful lot of ‘I-told-you-so’s and a mother load of back-trackers.
I know nothing, and I shall enjoy the ride all the more so because of it.
I second this. Another week of Sansa madness would be too much.
Luka Nieto,
Jeyne Pool is certainly not worthless to he Boltons in the books. Why would Alayne Stone be any different? If Jeyne Pool can get the alias of “Arya Stark” then why can’t Alayne Stone?
She is storyline the Protector of the Vale’s niece so she could be brokered as a match in order to secure an alliance with the Vale via LF. That’s plausible.
Remember that on the show, the Bolton’s don’t have the burning need to “unite the North” with a Stark. They’ve skipped over that complexity, rule by fear and their association with the Crown and have had Winterfell given to them (via S3 conversation with Walder). They can do whatever they want.
I could see that working.
And I don’t think the show gives 2 shits about the politics of the Vale because I don’t think we’re really spending much more time there. Petyr’s the Lord Protector for now and that’s all that’s necessary for this season. Because the show says.
I just received a text message from the three-eyed raven. The video was Brienne and Pod, and she told him (paraphrasing) “I don’t want anyone following me much less be a leader. All I ever wanted was to fight for a lord I believed in. The good lord is dead, and the rest are monsters.”
The message concluded on a frame of Pod and Brienne with the words “The Raven has brought its last vision. The future begins on April 12.”
I, too, get the sense that the showrunners are uninterested in the ins and outs of Vale politics.
Cersei’s Wine Goblet,
That’s great if true. Hope I receive the same message.
King Tommen,
Petyr’s the Lord Protector… for Robin. If Robin dies, he’s not the Lord Protector anymore. That simple. Even if you assume D&D pander to simple-minded people, even simple-minded people get that much.
Also your argument is circular. You say they’re not gonna spend time on the Vale because they’re not interested in the politics of the Vale… and your evidence for that disinterest is that they’re not gonna spend time on the Vale. Maybe it is you who is not interested in Vale politics, huh?
Maybe Sansa will end up in Winterfell (although I have my doubts), but the certainty that some people have that it will happen is breathtaking. There’s no more evidence for it happening than for the other theories about S5 changes (like Barristan and Grey Worm dying before the pit), but people are acting like its writ in stone to occur. Spoiler: Its not. Ya’ll should really remember all the other times that people were so certain in their theories, only to find out that they were completely wrong (for instance, LSH in the S3 finale, LSH in the S4 finale, Tyrion only killing Tywin, Ros would be fArya, etc.)
If it does happen, good job, you sussed out a major change from not much evidence. Here, have a cookie. But seriously, stop acting so damn certain when all you have is speculation.
Fez,
Talisa is totally a spy for Tywi…—oh, oh… ok. Anyway, I’m sure LSH is in the Season 3 finale… wait, no, the Season 4 finale… no, the Season 5 finale. Also, Tyrion’s been criminally white-washed by D&D, they won’t have him killing Shae… oh. Oops. Hey, you guys, I figured out who’ll be fArya; it’s X! Oh… I see.
Fez,
I believe the best theory was the purple wedding happening in 3.10.
Luka Nieto,
Talisa should have been a spy for Tywin but that’s another story.
Luka Nieto,
Yeah, I guess I’m just not overly interested in that plot point. Isn’t just saying “there’s going to be a big scramble for power now and they’ll all have to deal with me as acting Lord Protector in order to figure out who the next Lord will be” enough?
There’s no direct heir so he’ll still be in power until the next Lord is chosen. That probably suits his needs given his plots going on in other areas of Westeros.
And maybe Robin just gets severely crippled by falling off his horse or something and he gets shuttled off-screen somewhere. In any case, he needs to be drop kicked out of the story so whatever way they choose to do it is fine with me.
Cersei’s Wine Goblet,
That’s awesome, hopefully someone will be able to record it. I remember you provided links for The Sight videos in the past so I’m pretty sure you’re telling the truth with this one. (there were lots of people trolling and posting false visions info)
Hopefully there are more visions with different qoutes. For the first time I’m actually excited for a TheSight video
King Tommen,
Why does Robin need to be out of the story, especially if it doesn’t involve his death? I don’t get it. Why immediately get rid of one of the few people around Sansa? Just to make sure the Winterfell theory seems more plausible? “Who’s she gonna interact with all season? Robin’s dead… for some reason! Petyr goes away for most of the season… I’m sure of it, with no evidence whatsoever! She will literaly have no other person to interact with, because we’ve heard about every casting and returning actor… for the first time ever!”
Balerion The Cat,
I recorded it, but for some stupid reason, I did it sideways. Trying to find video editing app that lets me turn it in the right direction. iMovie doesn’t seem to allow me to reorient it for some reason. If I can fix it, I’ll youtube it and post a link here.
No because the audience doesn’t give a shit about Robyn and he’s not a player in the game. Sansa and him together can’t carry a story. And we don’t have the Eyrie anymore as a setting which more or less eliminates the need to have the sitting Lord as a character. He can only tag along the Vale countryside for so long, it stands to reason they’re going to dump him.
If Robyn was a mainstay in this storyline this season you think Turner or Gillan would mention his presence at least once in their interviews right? It’s not a secret that he’s with them at the start of the year given how last season ended.
That’s probably why they bothered to cast Anya Waynwood and Yohn Royce, and then had Littlefinger tell them “Robin should tour the Vale” and asking them to back him and Robin. It’s, of course, highly unlikely that Sansa and Baelish will spend the season convincing this lord and lady to join them, thus giving Littlefinger his long-awaited army.
Instead it’s much more likely he’ll send Sansa to Winterfell while in KL, also killing Robin to make sure he loses the Vale, which is what he worked so hard for last season (and on getting Sansa since S2). All of this based on the structure of a door, vague cast interviews, a fArya plot that might be dropped, a line-up in a press photo and our lack of TWOW knowledge.
Oh wait, it’s much more likely YOU aren’t interested in the Vale and the show will follow up on its promises from ‘The Mountain & The Viper’. Don’t bother restating your arguments and ‘evidence’. I’ve read all of them and none of them convince me.
New three-eyed raven video sent just a moment ago. A brief couple of sentences from Brienne talking to Pod about (1) how she didn’t want anyone following her b/c she’s not a leader & (2) how all she ever wanted to do was serve but that there are no good lords left.
Cersei’s Wine Goblet,
I almost forgot that crap. Season 5’s promotional campaign has been horrible so far, hope it will improve.
Sean C.,
Whether or not she would develop a close, genuine relation with him, or if she is just using him for her own end game remains to be seen (if this theory turns out to be true).
And also, was that the only thing you took away from that? I’m not saying that it will happen, but it does look more and more likely every day. Maybe it’s time to stop acting like it’s some ludicrous, crackpot fan theory, and actually face the fact that it might happen.
King Tommen,
Olyvar. Myranda. Etc. Shows have secondary characters. Tertiary characters! Why the insistence on killing or getting rid of Robin?
Dutch maester,
Pretty much.
“good lord”? Who was that?
Someone should tell her about Daenerys …
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Renly, I guess? “Lord” is a weird choice of words. “King” would make more sense, wouldn’t it? The same for Cat, since she’s a Lady.
Luka Nieto,
I’ll state again that based on previous years, it’s very safe to say that there are no new castings that haven’t already been discovered on this site (whether they be by leaked casting calls, announcements or detective work done by Sue and co). The latest anything came out last year was the end of January (Ralf Kenning). We’re well past that now. And in every season, the further we get away from the end of filming, the lesser the role of the character announcements are (you don’t get much more than “ship captain, Baratheon general, prostitute etc” by this point).
And you know I characterize returning characters coming back differently because they’re much more secretive about that. I don’t discount someone popping up that we have not yet confirmed between now and the season airing. But new? Yeah, we’re pretty much done. You can check with Sue on that for the history if you don’t believe me. She also gets better at it every year so by the time we hit the end of summer, I’m pretty confident that give or take a few more characters, we’ve discovered the characters that matter in the season.
Nils98,
You’ve made a slight mistake in the quote from LF. “There is no Justice in this world…. not unless we make it.” – “Avenge them.” – It makes a difference, and LF is driving a point home to Sansa (aka Alayne) in a moment of weakness. (Look at her tears.)
What’s happened with Sweetrobin? I’d imagine D&D won’t keep him dangling at the end of a rope concerning his future on the show. He’s like a loose end for LF’s arc.
She didn’t say, guessing Renly.
Was there ever more nonsensical theory that was debated so long then this Sansa will marry Ramsey? I surely dont remember any, even obviously stupid ones like Dagmer is Ramsey and Dario is Euron sound smart and sane by comparison. Who need any evidence or logic if you have strong faith….. Fanatism of believers of this theory would impress even ISIS.
THEON GOES TO HARDHOME AND HAS A RECKONING WITH JON SNOW?!?!?!
Dutch maester,
So much anger…. it’s ok, we’re almost there little one. You’ll have some time to adjust before the season starts I’m sure.
King Tommen,
Forgetting our disagreements for a second: you think the theory will be definitely confirmed or dismissed before the season starts? As in, you think a trailer or something like it will give us clues in one direction or another? I hope so.
IF she’s going to WF, I don’t think a trailer will blatantly give it away because they’d want to hide that.
But some more footage that will probably point us in the proper direction? Yeah, I think we’ll have enough. They also do a bunch of TV spots along the way that use a little bit of new stuff so at some point, there’s going to be something that will put everyone’s mind at ease.
There’s also enough interviews that lead up to the premiere where someone eventually drops enough info to confirm stuff too.
Uther Snow,
Ah, I’m sorry about that. Don’t know how I could misquote that…
And, yes Robyn is as good as dead. Some people seem to think that he is important…or something. I mean…have they seen the show – at all? Robyn has appeared in like 3 or 4 episodes and every unsullied (and book reader as well probably) finds him weird and non-important. Why would they keep a character, that has no point in the story, alive, just because he is the Lord of the Vale? That’s ludicrous.
GaiusB,
And why exactly does this justify your outrage? It’s just speculation about a show that we all love, based on a number of books we all love, that is heading into uncharted territory and we like to speculate about that. There’s no need to be an ass, just saying…
Sansa in Winterfall wouldn’t be good IMO. The northern storyline has a lot going on without throwing her into the mix plus it makes no sense why LF would allow her to go up there into harms way when he’s worked so hard to gain control of the Vale.
I’m sticking by that Brienne and Sansa will keep eachother busy this season as both are way ahead of others storyline-wise and they couldn’t do a Bran and take a season off (works fine for him as he’s so far away from anyone else). I’m fine with this. Gives them chance to get some much needed character development. Brienne’s wandering and Sansa touring of the Vale were a bit aimless so take elements of both and possibly some LS stuff. Give them a story and let it finish so they’re in position for whatever happens in tWoW. Would also make sense with Littlefinger going down to KL. More players to bounce off in the story down there and again keeps him relevant whilst the other stories catch up.
Sansa will go to Winterfell but it’s too early at the moment without needlessly altering things.
Hooray, I’m jumping into the fray early this year, but only slightly. I can’t wait for the season to start.
Guys, how can Sansa marry or be married off to anybody, even if she is under the guise of Alayne?
Technically, she’s still married. There’s no indication of her yet knowing of Tyrion’s events at King’s Landing. Even if she did know, until there is confirmation that Tyrion is dead, she can’t marry anybody else. I don’t think even Littlefinger would dare flout that premise. Did I miss something that happened in the show that would allow her to even consider marriage, or are all of you getting your undies in knots just for the sake of feeling the knots?
Thronetender,
LF makes a side trip to KL in Season 5, to what purpose we don’t know. It’s been speculated that he will get Sansa’s marriage annulled while he’s there. Gillen did talk a bit about the High Sparrow in his interview, although he refused to answer a question about whether or he had scenes with Jonathan Pryce (the High Sparrow). If he is in KL seeking an annulment, it makes sense that he would have a scene with the HS.
Yara will go to Meereen to marry Dany as fVictarion. Get hype !!!
M
Hmm …
If LF were to go to KL, how could he explain being so concerned with Sansa’s marital status without rousing suspicions or the attention of Cersei? Cersei is out for Sansa’s blood – wouldn’t even the mention of Littlefinger trying to do such a thing be suicide for LF? Or certain torture? Although, without Varys and his little birds now, maybe Cersei isn’t so connected as to what’s happening in town.
Thronetender,
I agree, the whole idea of LF in KL dealing with Sansa business, an annulment or something else, makes no sense:
1. Why would Cersei not demand Sansa’s immediate return?
2. How could LF admit to having Sansa without raising suspicions about his role in her disappearance?
3. Why would the HS do anything for LF if LF does make the pitch for an annulment? LF has nothing on him, meaning he can’t be blackmailed and and he can’t be bought.
And so on. The minute he alerts Cersei or the HS to having Sansa, he’s effectively lost control of the situation. I’ve seen it speculated that he persuades Cersei to exonerate Sansa and agree to a match with Ramsay on the basis of Ramsay’s established reputation for cruelty, but that seems weak to me.
That said, he is in KL. I just can’t rule out the theory at this point based on apparent lack of logic when it comes to the LF in KL portion of the storyline, though, especially given all the other stuff floating around.
I love speculating about the adaptive process and potential storylines for upcoming seasons of Game of Thrones as much as anyone. But I think that I’m done trying to parse cast member interviews for scraps of meaning, at least when it comes to this particular issue. With all due respect to Sophie Turner, Aidan Gillen, and Alfie Allen, it’s their job to be intentionally vague when discussing the upcoming season – to provide just enough information to intrigue and excite us without confirming any specific plot points. They’ve done a spectacular job with that, but all of the statements they’ve made over the past week are too broad to serve as proof for any specific narrative developments without a significant amount of corroborating evidence – which we don’t have. We have our opinions, and there’s ample contextual support and logical inferences to be made based on what the show (and, to a lesser extent, the books) has given us so far. But the almost total lack of casting and filming news for both storylines has provided ample room for theorizing. So theorize we have. It’s all in good fun.
We know how Sansa’s arc begins this season and we know roughly how Theon’s will end. But at the present moment there just isn’t enough independently confirmed information about either the Vale or Winterfell to definitively figure out the rest of either character’s storyline, whether they intersect or not. That doesn’t mean that it’s not a worthy pursuit – it is! – but we’re all in it for the long haul. All hopes, no matter how well meaning, that these interviews might end the debate one way or another are unfortunately misplaced. As we can see, they’ve done exactly the opposite.
At this point, the two sides of this debate have established themselves so firmly that, no matter how reasonable or detailed a case either party might make, there’s no way to conclusively prove or disprove either argument without additional evidence. The only thing that might decisively break the stalemate in favor of one theory over the other is a new trailer, or a new piece of casting news (although at this point, I’m not holding out hope for the latter). Speaking only for myself, I’m content to wait for that new break in the case and then take another look at this situation with a fresh eye. Provided that we don’t have to wait too long, of course. 😉
I can’t help but smile at Natalie Dormer giving Sophie Turner helpful advice for a growing actress.
Life imitates art.
Y’all are ignoring what specifically about the Gillen interview disproved the theory. Sophie Turner and Aidan Gillen have focused on their two characters’ relationship in their interview. And yet if we’re to believe this fSansa theory, that means they’d only be together for one or so episodes.
Come on, guys.
Also we don’t know that there hasn’t been ANY Vale casting whatsoever. All we know is that there hasn’t been any UK-wide casting calls for Vale guest actors. There very likely were Belfast casting calls for featured guest actors etc., though likely not for any major characters. Really though, they don’t need to cast anyone else. They have Sansa, Robin, LF and some Vale lords. Especially if
Greenjones,
Exactly.
And before anyone says that’s can’t be exciting, you lack imagination. The best scenes in the show are usually two characters talking to each other. Also, the fact that we don’t know anything about what the actual plot will entail doesn’t mean there will be no plot at all, which is a strange assumption to make.
Luka Nieto,
Yeah. I mean, did anyone really expect s4’s Arya and the Hound storyline to go for as long as it did?
and yet only two chapters of ASOS were stretched out into five episodes worth of material.
That wouldn’t be impossible for other storyline too.
EDIT: Ah. Actually six episodes. Thanks for the correction.
(Let me see…Two Swords, Breaker of Chains, First of His Name, Mockingbird, the Mountain and the Viper and the Children…you’re right).
Greenjones,
Six episodes, in fact. And some of my favorite scenes in the season, even if they were mostly plotless and focused only on character. Something not dissimilar could happen to Sansa. Or maybe there’ll be some hefty plot we’re not aware of. Either way, I don’t think there is reason to worry that it will be boring.
I said it before: some people grossly overestimate how much screen time, number of appearances and thickness of plot most characters have each season. There’s always speculation based only on the idea that “we must fill in the gaps!”. Usually none of it happens, because most GoT scenes don’t advance the plot that much. It’s usually just characters talking to each other, and the plot advances bit by bit.
No wait, I’ve got it. We know Theon develops a relationship with a character with which he had a minute amount of screentime previously. Here it is.
Ramsay gets tired of his Reek and fires Theon out of a cannon across the Narrow Sea. Tyrion, while stumbling out of a brothel, happens to catch him. Tyrion and Theon then go on merry adventures together across Essos.
I don’t think I’d characterize any character arc on the show as people mostly sitting in a room and talking. There’s certainly scenes where that happens but for the most part a season-long arc includes lots of exciting things “happening” to the character and them bouncing off of a number of different other characters in the process.
Even in the Arya/Hound arc, you started E1 with a bang with them running into Polliver and his group at the Inn and getting into a huge setpiece fight with a big badass moment for Arya.
Then we had a walking and talking scene followed by them encountering the farmer and his daughter, sharing a dinner scene and then the confrontation in the morning.
Then they have the scene where they come across the dying man and they get the “Mercy” speech. After that, Rorge and Biter jump them and they get into their quick fight.
They have a fireside scene together and then arrive at the Vale where they interact with the guard at the gate. This all leads to the big setpiece in the finale with them running into Brienne and Pod and then Arya gets her goodbye scene with the Hound and links up with the ship captain and gets on a boat.
Lots of stuff happens. Lots of action. And lots of characters to interact with (major and minor). And that was by far, the most isolated storyline of the season. As an aside, we also knew about every single one of those minor characters (and Polliver returning) well ahead of the season. Just saying…
King Tommen,
We also know about the Arya look-alike Winterfell worker well ahead of the season. I’ve come to accept that Sansa may be going to Winterfell in some capacity (maybe) but I cannot agree with anyone who believes that she would be there as fArya.
King Tommen,
It’s not anger, it’s sarcasm. I do have to say I’m getting tired scrolling through the comments section only to find some poor Sansa in WF speculation. I’m not saying it can’t happen, nor am I against it per se, and I applaud the vast majority of D&D’s changes. However, at this point all this speculation is based on too little real info.
Sophie needs to fire the hairdresser responsible for the ‘do in the pic on the right.
At first glance, it seems like it doesn’t make sense at all- it sends Sansa back into helplessness (which would make her season 4 arc pointless), it would mean that the Boltons don’t care to undermine the Lannisters (because Sansa is wanted for regicide, they can’t just marry her), and it would also require some weird story developments to even get in that direction. I’ve thought a bit about it since the Alfie interview and warmed a bit to the idea.
First of all, Sansa can stay manipulative in Winterfell. In fact, that may be the first real challenge she’ll face. If she really goes there to marry Ramsay and secure the North (maybe planning to poison him or something?) it may be the perfect place to put her new skills to test. By the end of the season, she’ll have screwed it up and gotten Ramsay angry- and that’s where Theon comes into play (because he is pretty much the closest person to Ramsay).
Now, why would the Boltons allow themselves to shrug off of the Lannisters? Well… Tywin is dead, the Mad Queen is in control (which means shit will go down in King’s Landing, and Roose is smart enough to know that) and besides- the Boltons are in a very vulnerable position: they have their small army in a destroyed castle, and they have Stannis with a Wildling host and a bunch of knights coming down. They really need help from the Northern lords, but the Northern lords hate their guts. The only way to secure Northern lords is by marrying a Stark, in this case Sansa. So pretty much, if they don’t get the North on their side Stannis does, and if that happens the Boltons would lose. The Lannisters are off in King’s Landing dealing with the inquisition, so they’ve got their hands full for now, and the more direct threat is Stannis.
Now the real question is how/why would Sansa even go to Winterfell. The trailer suggests (if we assume that she really goes to Winterfell) that she has something up her sleeve and plans to avenge her family, while simultaenously being something that boosts Littlefinger (since it seems like it’s his plan). It’s possible that Sansa’s interactions with Brienne early in the season puts her identity and puts Littlefinger in an awkward position- he’d have to explain himself to King’s Landing. And guess where Littlefinger goes in the midseason, without Sansa (because THAT would make no sense)? King’s Landing. The very fact that Sansa and Littlefinger break apart implies, IMO, that she’ll be joining another storyline this year (if not Winterfell, perhaps a successful rescue attempt by BriPod).
In any case, Littlefinger has to hunt down Brienne and Pod before they “return to the Lannisters” (because everyone thinks they’re working for Jaime or something). From the info we have on filming, we know Brienne and Pod will be fighting off some Vale guards- and maybe this is why (we see some horse chase scenes in the trailer, too). Basically, as far as Littlefinger knows, BriPod will be reporting directly to Cersei- so the first thing he needs to do is eliminate the evidence and get himself away from Sansa.
Why of all places would Littlefinger send Sansa to Winterfell? Well, maybe she asks to do it. We saw her building the snow castle in season 4, so it’s obvious she really wants to return, and maybe she does want vengeance on her family. In the trailer, Littlefinger seems to be giving her a pep talk before they split up.
Wow, look at this wall of text.
Three things to say:
2. I’m confused as to why people assume LF in KL (and even getting the marriage annulled, useful for any potential marriages he wants to broker for Sansa) necessarily means that he admits to having her, provoking Cersei’s wrath. He could get the marriage annulled as a way for Cersei to get back at Tyrion if he ever surfaced alive. He doesn’t have to admit he has seen Sansa. Am I wrong? There is enough time for him to be in the Vale, to go KL, and then return North using his magic LF transporter we saw him use in past seasons 😉
3. Sansa marrying Ramsay doesn’t have to be either in disguise or not, can’t it be both? Couldn’t it be open to the Boltons that she is Sansa Stark (to entice them into the marriage) but also they all agree to keep it a secret from the Lannisters (something the Boltons would do, also with Cersei in power the Lannisters are a mess anyway). I do not dispute that Cersei is out for Sansa’s head so for this theory to work she must remain in the dark (or get imprisoned early enough). Same for Jon Snow, if he knew he might do something about it to save his sister. But Petyr Baelish’s niece/bastard daughter is perfectly fine match for former bastard Ramsay on the surface.
I can’t keep up with it all! Let’s have another trailer please!
Lord! Give us another trailer, give us some sort of clarity, this is all making me anxious tbh.
I have to say I still don’t like the idea of Sansa marrying Ramsay, it’a sick, hasn’t she married enough psychos! What kind of truly dire misfortune.
Yet, i’ve seen some convincing arguments with regards to her returning to Winterfell to enact her plan of revenge. It could work. What I don’t want is a colossal screw up on her part, and as a result another saviour to help her escape – borefest tbh. And please no redemptive romance with Reek!
I have a feeling Sansa will be in line to marry a certain heir from Dorne come Season 6.
Maisie has a better style IMO.
That outfit left Sansa’s wearing in the picture seems familiar, some old rock singer from the 1980’s or 90’s, but can’t place the name to the mental image in my head; can someone enlighten me,
Al Swearengen,
This is a photo shoot, not Sophie’s personal style.
Obviously.
This is relevant.
Greenjones,
What is it, I can’t access youtube.
ctid,
Another clip of the IGN interview they’ve been doling out piecemeal for the past week or so. First they ask her if she saw the original plan for AGOT/the first third of the ASOIAF from that letter a few weeks ago and she said she didn’t. They discussed that for a while but then got on to talking about how Sansa’s a player now instead of a pawn and how she’s manipulating LF etc. Nothing too new but given that this is a Sophie article and this interview came out today, I thought it applied.
Thanks feller. Nothing new I suppose but it could be read that if she’s “playing” LF she can’t also be in Winterfell.
Greenjones,
Sophie keeps referring to shedding her old family ties and making something for herself and I’m not sure what to make of this. Thoughts?
Jaime’s girl,
Little finger and Sansa are gonna come
Across LS , it’s gotta be that
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Renly
Grand maester giz,
I think she actually says “all the good lords are dead” instead of “the good lord’s dead”.
Overall maybe lsh will kill Robyn for her sister , was not there for any of the Starks needs , I’m thinking this maybe when little finger goes to kings landing Sansa and vale forces / Robyn will come across pod and Briene , than they’ll all encounter Lsh , than I see her killing Robyn and swaying Sansa to avenge her family in a different way than little finger , I think that That would be a wtf moment that would also go with the bloodier than red wedding theory , sansa hasn’t saw any family since season 1 , who else has a familiar face to her the hound ? Not the boltons not the freys not Tyrion . That familiar fave Is gonna be her mother . This is prolly for sure altered wow material . Does anyone actually beleive Sansa will never see any of her family again ? Well whose left , who is close ? Not arya john – bran and rickon are out . To me this scenario fits with all the interviews I’ve read and it’ll blow unsullied and book readers minds and be great to see them actors do that . April 12 can’t come soon enough i need like 7 and a half drops of nightshade wake up next month maybe have a week to wait . Season 5 is gonna be great I can feel it and if you book purists wouldn’t enjoy that than you can’t enjoy anything .
There is no god so…
She could go to Winterfell as Alayne. Remember, in show canon, she is just Alayne, not Alayne Stone he bastard of LF, but the niece of Baelish. Therefore, she is probably viewed as the heir to Harranhal and the Riverlands (since LF has no children, he could just say this and it’s immediately true). Uniting the North, Riverlands, and Vale with her marrying Ramsay isn’t that big of a stretch.
Jaime’s girl,
I think that your later train of thought is closer to what is going to happen. Martin has said that the plot lines are going to start linking up. There is also a key plot line happening without any of the primary protagonists in it:
That is correct. Westeros is not Texas: nobody says “Good Lord” there in reference to gods. (Or “y’all” or “ain’t” or anything like that.)
LF cannot do that. Only particular lords can legitimize bastards: monarchs. If LF died, then Harrenhall would pass to his closest male relative or to the daughter of his closest male relative. This comes up in the books a few times. (Downton Abbey’s first two seasons are premised on these sorts of primogeniture rules.)
The big torpedo in the HMS Winterfell Conjecture is that Sansa is going to be dealing with the Vale. Sansa will get an hour or less of screen time this year. She probably is the #5 protagonist, after all (now that Bran has become a tree). Sansa is almost nonexistent in the books: she gets fewer chapters than minor protagonists like Arianne and Quentyn that are sufficiently irrelevant that they’ve been merged or cut. She will be more prominent on the TV show: but she’s not going to get Jon Snow, Daeny or Tyrion TV time. We can toss Cersei and Jaime up there with those three this year. Sansa probably will not get as much TV time as Arya does, either.
What B&W have is the luxury of doing what GRRM is probably going to do over a couple of Sansa chapters in WoW. They can stretch it out over 50+ minutes: and Sansa will go from Barbie -> Boudica much as Daeny did in Season 1.
I just had to say something because some of these comments were super psycho…
People need to remember the Books and Show SEPERATELY because theyre not the same thing… GRRM and D&D have said it so many times I bet its very frustrating to them.
Will Sansa be in Winterfell, The Vale, The moon? IDK!!!!!! BUT I will say this…. I think EVERYONE needs to give The Vale more credit. Yes, I think it is the least interesting place SO FAR in the books or show. With that being said they say, “the vale has never been penetrated by an outside force.” I think in the future Dany comes to Westeros and gets crazy with her dragons and unsullied and everyone has to go hide in the vale, and then the dragons go fuck up the vale where everyone thought they were safe. hahahahahha I love it
OR
When the WW come The Vale might be the only safe place……
Yivo,
True. However, we shouldn’t take that out of context. They have been very clear that to tell the same story on TV and in the books, they have to do different things. The analogy I always use is a shark and a tyrannosaurus. If you want a land animal to be like a shark, you evolve a T. rex. The differences between marine and terrestrial carnivores of that sort are analogous to the differences between a novelization and dramatization of the same story: there are literary fins & gills and land legs & lungs that need to replace each other. It’s the sharp teeth, acute sense of smell, ability to range widely that’s important. And if you’ve added feathers to the land version: well, that’s a difference in what works in one medium vs. another. The vehicle is different, but the story is the same.