Jerome Flynn as Bronn and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister. Credit: Helen Sloan /HBOHBO has released this week’s new batch of photos from Sunday’s episode of Game of Thrones. The season’s seventh episode (yes, we’re already headed for the 7th ep!) will be titled “The Broken Man,” and feature a return for Clive Russell as the Blackfish, and a rallying of the Northern cause. Jerome Flynn is finally making an appearance on the show this season, and we can look forward to some action in the Riverlands.
Official episode synopsis: The High Sparrow eyes another target. Jaime confronts a hero. Arya makes a plan. The North is reminded.
Photos below the cut!
Update 6/2: Several more photos added!
The Blackfish holds Riverrun, as Walder Frey announced in this week’s episode.
Clive Russell as Blackfish Tully. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOCersei is roaming about the castle, with the Kingsguard and apparently Tyrell soldiers still around.
Lena Headey as Cersei Lannister. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOSansa, Jon and their companions rode away from the Wall, looking for Northern allies, and in next Sunday’s episode will be visiting with some smaller Northern Houses. Here we see them encountering Robett Glover of House Glover, who will be played by Tim McInnerny.
Sophie Turner as Sansa Stark, Kit Harington as Jon Snow, Liam Cunningham as Davos Seaworth, Tim McInnerny as Robett Glover. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOArya is on the run in Braavos- here she’s changed her clothing.
Maisie Williams as Arya Stark. Credit: Courtesy HBONewly subdued Queen Margaery is out of prison, but not completely free as we can see she still has Septa Unella by her side, even as she visits with her grandmother Olenna.
Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell, Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell and Hannah Waddingham as Septa Unella. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO Farfarawaysite has added several more photos from “The Broken Man” today:
In these first two shots, we can see Arya from the front, with her new clothes and her rather Ned Stark-like hairstyle. She looks to be trying to blend into the Braavos crowd.
Next, we have two photos of the Frey sons- Black Walder (Tim Plester), and Lothar (Daniel Tuite). I’m guessing they’ve headed back to Riverrun as ordered. Black Walder has fresh marks on his nose and cheek- I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
A wider shot of the Blackfish on guard, at Riverrun.
We can see the Frey-hatted men in the background/sides of these photos, so it looks like Jaime and Bronn have arrived at Riverrun, to help take it back from the Blackfish. I’m loving Jaime in the full Lannister armor.
A much more demurely dressed Queen Margaery and her Septa, Unella. I’m still of the mind that Margaery is only pretending to be a convert in a very clever deception:
And last, we have a slightly longer/narrower version of the above Cersei photo:
A Greek website has posted some photos as well, including this one that appears to be of Riverrun (in the distance) with riders approaching. It’s a small photo and hard to tell, but that might be Jaime’s arrival at the camp outside Riverrun. Thanks to Rhaenys Stark for giving us a heads up on this one.
Update: Found a larger size of the image on RadioTimes. That is definitely a Lannister-armored soldier with a helm on, carrying the Lannister banner.
I literally see this everywhere and don’t know what it means except for being the seat of House Glover xD is it a book thing ?
Robert Voorhees #gethype
Omg I’m so exited!Why isn’t sunday here already?This has the potential to be one of the best episodes ever.Every single storyline looks amazing.One thing though where did they leave melisandre she seems mia?
Robett Glover eh? Nice. DEEPWOOD MOTTE
These pics have me very much looking forward to Sunday!
It’s eerie to see Septa Unella chaperoning Margaery. I wonder what Olenna will make of her presence…
Arya is going to be the Lady of Winterfell. The new hairstyle proves it. (Cue: Ned, Young Ned, and Rickard)
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! 😀
Lannister armor (as opposed to the kingsguard armor) is a good look for Jaime! I know we’re excited for a Jaime/ Brienne reunion, but they’re going to be on opposite teams this time :(.
I’m hoping Margaery will find some way to communicate her goals with Olenna in a manner the Septa can’t pick up on. Her motives are the only thing keeping me halfway interested in KL this season.
Jon and Sansa don’t look too happy.
Desperately hoping for more Bran this Sunday.
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
has something to do with the shot of Davos in front of what seemed like Shireen’s pyre that we got from the trailer?
Just my speculation though.
these are great! nice change of pace from a couple weeks where the photos were mostly straight from the previews and not terribly interesting. Love the one w/ Arya & the Titan in the background
The return of Bronn should add to the characters at Riverrun since he and Pod have an interesting history via Tyrion.
Blackfish looks like he is seeing his nephew trotted out and he is not amused but IS ready to kick some ass.
Cersei plotting the next maneuver with QoT, FrankenGregor towering over her shoulder.
Jansavos meeting with House Glover to explain the importance of getting Winterfell back from the Boltons and preparing for the White Walker threat.
Arya contemplates her next move (just before the Waif shows up Im guessing)
Queen Marg gets a bath but will Septa Unella be her parole officer?
It is game-changing thing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
Yessss, they’re finally releasing Jon promo pics!!! He looks none too happy with Lord Glover. I figure their meeting will be fruitless. Hell, it looks like Jon & Co aren’t even admitted into the hall; Glover is meeting them outside. Hopefully they’ll have better luck with House Mormont.
The Blackfish looks badass! Fuck Jaime if he hurts a hair on that man’s head.
Captain Darling has gone back in time it seems. Hopefully Blackadder follows him soon (hint please cast Rowan Atkinson or Stephen Fry D&D for any role).
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Yeah, these are very good pictures imo, finally Arya has a decent hairstyle 🙂
I don’t know. That Lannister armor always remind me of cockroaches (exoskeleton).
This will be the best scene all year… Ian McShane’s speech….. and hopefully the Hound….
Pepi:
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! ?
As soon as I saw him I screamed ‘Alonzo from the 101 and 102 Dalmatians!’ lol I’m sure he will be great.
Jaime in Lannister armor looks too good!!
Marg has a new faith costume!
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn. Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Greyjoys are in the episode preview for this week.
haha I love Dany – want to see what happens when she gets to Mereen!
If Bran, Meera and BENJEN aren’t in this episode for at least one scene, I will slightly disappointed.
But this episode looks great going by these pictures. Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
GET HYPE! If those episode titles are real (I hope episode 9 isnt called “Battle of the Bastards”) and if episode 10 is really titled “The Winds of Winter’ then the wall could come down at the end of the season.
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Cliffhangers, lots of them.
Happy to see Bronn. Looks like another exciting episode.
Is Jaime’s armour is the same one that Lord Tywin was wearing in season 2?
Never mind, it looks like all of the Lannister soldiers have that same armour.
dont think her hair has/had completely grown out from the cut she got for Hunger Games movies
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
Sean C.:
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn.Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
Yup, that’s what I think too. Can’t say I blame him. Better luck at your next stop, Team Stark.
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes. Only North, Volantis, Braavos, and King’s Landing. We see Jon and Sansa in three different locations (with the wildlings, Bear Island and Deepwood Motte). More King’s Landing stuff like ep6, involving Cersei, High Sparrow, Olenna and Margaery. I hope we get to see septa Unella die screaming and Cersei’s face being the last thing she sees – A Lannister always pays her debts. Arya’s dress is different from the one in which (filming spoilers)
she is running from the waif in trailer and leaked pics – she is wearing rags in those shots. The play troupe has at least one more episode, so this might be it
. – Arya’s “plan” may involve the theatre company.
This time, I am more excited to see the free cities story than the North – In the preview, Theon looks like back in Reek mode. And that shot of Arya gazing at the Titan is glorious (maybe because I’m a huge Arya fan).
hint please cast Rowan Atkinson
That would be very cool but I can’t imagine who. Tony Robinson, now…..
Oh those pics excite me. Worried we will see Rickon and Ramsey….might have th keep my eyes partly covered…
Blackfish armor is sick.
Anyone else think Clive looks like an older version of Benioff?
I hate the Lannisters, but I love their armor, especially Tywins.
Jaime’s finally back on his book arc, woohoo!
TWO episodes without Tyrion, crazy.
Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
aabe:
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row. That has never happened before. So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
OT It is really confusing trying to keep track of all the characters who died at the RW with all that may just be missing. Maybe it’s just a book reader’s dilemma.
Maybe we see Melanie Liburd this episode.
The Pic shows the North being reminded…
Does the North Remember?
It’s gonna take something to jog their memory.
GeekFurious:
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
Woah. #mindblown
And I say… why not? ???
That Arya shot is amazing.
Was missing the Braavos look, so goot to see it’ll make a comeback.
Was Gilly wearing a wig when she dined with the Tarly’s? I don’t know what Hannah Murray’s actual hair color is, but when she met Lady Tarly it looked much darker than when she got her makeover.
Should we assume that we’ll be getting the grave digger this episode?
Jack Bauer 24: Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
I thought that also at the time but I had second thoughts after watching Inside Thrones for Ep1&2 and how they had a stand in for Mel’s body. If that was the gag then something similar was already done with Lena last year in her WoS when her face was superimposed on someone else.
Anyway I know this is OT but I was curious about other fan opinions, thanks
I think we will be getting Ian McShane’s character this episode and Bryan Cogman said this in an interview about next week’s episode:
“All I can say about next week’s episode is there was a week of shooting a particular sequence/storyline that was my favorite week on set in six seasons of Game of Thrones.”
It is game-changingthing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
If I had to make a guess, I would say that they first go to a couple of houses that turn them out, then hit the jackpot with the Mormonts, Manderlys etc
Wasn’t there a filming leak in which
Blackfish is defending Riverrun with his men against the Freys? Kind of like a mini-battle before Jaime arrives?
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Bronn HYPE
And he’s not pictured, but IAN MCSHANE HYPE
Jon Small, Sansa Stogre, Davos Seamore and a big effing man. lol They’re not giving it to Jonsa stans by highlighting the height difference.
Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
StellaFleure:
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
Is it too much to hope it’s Pycelle? I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Hope we get some Tyrion
I think we all expect Dany to be leaving for Westeros by episode 10, but I just have no idea how they can wrap up Meereen in 4 episodes (heck, this Slavers Bay plot can’t be wrapped up in Dany’s lifetime IMO)…
We know Tyrion and Dany filmed a scene together, do we know what episode?
But so hyped. This seems like a heavy Stark/Lannister episode, and Im getting serious season 1/2 feels…
So excited for this episode!
Jaime vs Blackfish!
Arya vs the Waif!
Deepwood Motte!
The return of Bronn!
The Broken Man speech!
The return of the Hound!
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
DEEPWOOD MOTTE! It’s good to be right /smug.
Glad to see Jon in the center there. It looks like the meeting won’t go so well for Jonsavos. 🙁 But there are other houses they can see.
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
its good if there is a break for dany now, I am kind of annoyed by her atm.
aabe: Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
Could be a trick by the High Sparrow to check if her conversion is for real.
Arya and the Titan. Love it.
GMarie:
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
She’s a natural blonde so she may have worn a wig before only this one is more obvious. As somebody mentioned upthread she did have a weird half shaven haircut for “The Hunger Games” part whatever it was.
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
GMarie:
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
Maybe she was still letting her shaved head from Mockingjay grow out while they were shooting this season.
Sean C.: I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row.That has never happened before.So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
Episode is only 51 minutes and already jam packed.
In the “Blood of My Blood” written recap thread, Luka Nieto listed four possible “milestone” conversations that could be adapted for this episode. Really looking forward to their integration, especially the Broken Men and BF vs JL excellence.
As I mentioned before, I’m keen on how Jon, Sansa and Davos convey critical info to other major houses. Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
HelloThere:
I don’t know why, but that pic with Olenna, Margaery, and Septa Unella is just glorious, lol.
Hey, I must specify that I am a woman, but does anyone here finds Septa Unella kind of sexy too?
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
Goddamn, the costume department never fails to impress. Jaime’s armor has always looked so amazing. The Stark cloaks are just beautiful (hopefully it’s fake fur though).
No you are not. Pryce is amazing I loved every moment he was on screen!
We might not get Ramsay until episode 8 or 9.
Remember the pfoto of Mel we were analysing before the beginning of the season? It WAS a glimpse of Sansa’s gown on the side! It was not visible in ep 5 but the photo above confirms it.
Davos is the real negotiator of the bunch, I have a feeling he’ll be the voice of reason much of the time. Heck, he convinced the Iron Bank.
Please don’t bring Bronn back just to kill him off!
Jonsavos look like they are getting read for filth by Lord Glover tbh.
I wonder where they are camping/sleeping during all this recruiting lol.
Also…..where did Dany’s horse go in the last episode? I’ve been meaning to ask lol.
Yaaaass Jaime you lion!
…and ok Bronn too. But can’t Jaime just the guy just enjoy his retirement??
ok, I think I would rather do a walk of atonement then have that horrible Unella bitch following me around all day everyday. is it comeuppance time yet?
That’s not what I see. I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’ He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
I imagine it’s going to be hard for them to convince those lesser Houses (or anybody south of the Wall) that the White Walkers are real. I think most will have the same reaction Sam’s brother had when the subject was brought up at the dinner table last week. Hopefully Davos can convince them all the Walkers are a very real threat.
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Aw thanks! I’ve been around but it’s hard to figure out which thread has the active conversation. Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!! 🙂
I hope all is going well and someone is carrying the torch for the comments drinking game.
Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
KG:
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
I wonder if they’ll have a montage of Jonsavos approaching the various Northern houses or if they’ll have scenes of them visiting one house that will join them (likely Mormont) and one house that won’t (possibly Glover) as examples and then just mentioning if the other houses have joined them or not. There seems to be more than three Northern scenes in this episode and I am so excited! *happy dance*
Jack Bauer 24: Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
It was aged up Mel. It was supposed to happen in the Mel bathtub scene with Selyse in S4, but that was changed (the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
They tried to find a place for it in S5 but couldn’t really find a good scene for aged Mel.
Flayed Potatos, you are a genius! And who wouldn’t enjoy watching them make that baby?
I also find Septa Unella hot!
I fear for Pod though…
Septa Unella hanging around in the Red Keep eh. She might not want to walk past Cersei and her monster. I can’t say I’d be upset if she met a wall too though.
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
Jack Bauer 24: Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
Here’s what i hope will happen (probably episode 10!).
Yara will tell Dany/Tyrion/etc that Euron is coming with 1,000 ships and they will together hatch a plan to pretend to take Euron up on his offer, but then instead steal the damn ships from under him. In return for the heads up/help, Dany will kill Euron and restore that driftwood crown to the Greyjoy kids when they all get back to Westeros. Woudl be an awesome way for them to head to Westeros.
Right? I doubt they would have left her with the Wildlings considering she burned their king. But she’s nowhere to be seen at Deepwood Motte or Bear Island. Maybe they left her watching the horses, LOL.
I do remember in one of the behind the scenes videos recently released, Carice Van Houten (and Liam Cunningham) was interviewed in a sort of woodsy area and some castle-like building behind her. I could never place that location but maybe it was the Deepwood Motte location and Mel is actually there, just off to the side.
I’m pretty sure the week of shooting involves Arya/The Waif doing a remake of Assasin’s Creed and has nothing to do with Ian McShane.
HotPinkLipstick: Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
Yes. Except the tables have turned! Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency. They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.: “Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
KG:
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
UMM
you missed a massive one after the events of “The Door”
The crowd was divided in two:
– Sansa will betray Jon and the siblings will be divided
– Sansa will not betray Jon blabla.
Something like that – I wasnt involved much in it. hahaha
Oh thank fuck I missed THAT nonsense.
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
Sir Imp hand Strong: As fast as the show is going I assume Arya will be on a ship to Westeros by the end of the episode.
I’m pretty sure that S7 & S8 will take place entirely Westeros. My speculation is that Dany & the Dothraki will show up in Meereen around E8 and successfully end the Sons of the Harpy in E10. Yara / Theon will probably show up in Meereen in E8 or E10 with their fleet, all ready to bring Dany and the Dothraki, Second Sons, Unsullied, et al back to Westeros. That’ll officially end the Meereenese Knot, and by the end of E10 everybody will be on ships heading back to Westeros.
Arya, meanwhile, will prepare to depart Braavos in E7, and will have her fight with the Waif in either E7 or E8. After Arya kills off the Waif, she’ll get on a ship and be back in Westeros by E10.
After that, there’s no body left in Essos, and no reason for anybody else to go there.
QueenofThrones: Yes.Except the tables have turned!Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency.They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.:“Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that… 🙂
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
return of the Hound and that his brief storyline was his favourite storyline/sequence in all of Game of Thrones
Ian McShanes character has something do with it.
Jack Bauer 24:
Am i the only one who likes KL this year? Pryce is an absolute delight to watch.
I also like KL. Pryce is incredible. But I also love watching all of these “players” trying to out maneuver each other. Its going to explode soon and I can’t wait to see who is left standing.
No you’re not, give me KL instead of Essosi storylines anyday – except for Arya – it’s also very interesting that almost no one talks about Jonathan Pryce, he’s absolutely killing it. So delightful to watch his stellar performance indeed.
Not much is happening in KL, but they have good actors. Arya’s storyline picked up considerably because of her interactions with the theater troupe, but the rest of Essos puts me to sleep.
Too bad no one thought to take a selfie with one…. 🙂
rhymeswithweak:
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
Forget Waif, Area’s story suddenly taking the front centre apparently building to big climax in E10.
Shawn: I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
I agree. It’s not going to be easy.
Sansa is a “traitor” (having married first Tyrion Lannister, *then* Ramsay Bolton), and a woman (even if she is Ned Stark’s daughter). The Northern lords aren’t going to listen to her.
Jon Snow is a bastard, and an oathbreaker (leaving the Night’s Watch). I’m sure that the first thing many Northern families will do upon seeing Jon Snow at their doorstop not wearing the black would be to try to execute him for leaving the NW. It’s going to take some fancy talking for Jon Snow to convince them that he fulfilled his oath.
Davos (and Melisandre) are filthy usurpers, as they used to be a part of Stannis’s retinue. No matter which side of the Northern “civil war” you fall on, Stannis was fighting against both the Starks and the Lannisters. No Northern family would feel kindly predisposed towards either Davos or Melisandre.
As hated as the Boltons might be, they still control Winterfell and are officially recognized as the Wardens of the North. Add the fact that they have the Umbers and the Karstarks (and the Manderlys?) on their side, and it’s not going to be easy to convince the other Southern families to team up and take them out, Stark loyalty or no Stark loyalty.
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments. Jon could use him in this recruiting business. What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf? Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
I’m so looking forward to this episode. Jaime vs the Blackfish. The North Remembers. Broken Men. It must have been a nerdgasm of adaptation for Cogman!
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
I agree. The emotional parts of S6 clearly lie with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc and I love it. However, KL has me intrigued because I have no idea what to expect (well, actually I have a few ideas but I am always wrong).
i wonder if melisandra could get sent down to the riverlands with brienne, maybe to rally the bwb?
she’s not going to go down well with the northern banners and she’s not in the pic
would make for awkward travelling companions but probably good TV 🙂
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
I think Theon and Yara will hand over the stolen ships to Dany for her to get her arse to westeros.
Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!
Ive had the same problem. I found tho that if you go to the far right of the screen,there is a text box labeled Recent Activity or something like that, showing recent posts, recent threads, most discussed. Click on most recent, and that will show you were the most recent discussions are taking place (and sometimes there are about two or three). What I wish would happen would be that we could bookmark our last thread on a post so we can find our way back to it easily!
If Arya vs Waif is happening this episode, I’ll be soooo happy. But I think it’ll only be in episode 8. I also think Arya will travel to Westeros with the troup and will join in as an actress in place of the Sansa actress.
I think the Broken Man scene will bookend the episode, and I’m also starting to think LS is a possibility again (for the finale, that is). I’d give LS a 30-40% chance, given what I think happens at the end of the episode.
Ghost’s back in direwolf limbo. After the assassination, he should feel the need to be at Jon’s side 24/7. It just doesn’t compute. They’re back to ignoring the bond and the importance of the direwolf.
Firannion: That’s not what I see.I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
Oooh, yeah, I like this. He watches, he listens, and then he gets shit done. Truly, Jon & Sansa hit the jackpot with their new adviser.
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
trarecar:
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around.I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life.If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
I think there just might be something to this. The way Jaq-o said, roughly, “either way, a face will be added to the hall,” coupled with the Waif’s behavior (enmity, not so no-one, is it?) and perhaps even his look following some of that (not stink eye but perhaps a mini-version)… I wonder if he’s okay with Arya not becoming no-one.
in Balticon that LSH isn’t on the show… even tho i agree with that… he might just be lying…
There’s no way for me to properly describe how excited i am for Sansa and Jon in this episode and i’m going to be seriously disappointed if their screen time is less than 15 minutes Sunday.
No Danny and Mereen this episode? GOOD. Also i don’t think Bran is going to be in this episode but i would definitely love a brief appearance with Benjen.
I’m worried that Ramsay hasn’t been in the last few episodes. The north being reminded might mean something involving rickon
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
Undoubtedly! And I think that Septa Unella and her bell will have a very bad end. Sadly, I think that clueless King Tommen isn’t long for this show.
That picture with Jon/Sansa/Davos looks a little grim.
It’s going to be a hard sell–recruiting in the North
Let’s be honest
Davos is a smuggler turned Hand of Stannis, and not from the North
Sansa- to the outside world-appears to have stood by while her father was executed, remained engaged to Joffrey, married the imp Lannister, then married Ramsay Bolton.
Jon is a bastard (atm) who probably won’t be able to explain with any credibility his fight with WWs and death and resurrection that made it cool for him to abandon his post at CB-usually a death sentence. Oh and also he has a pack of Wildlings, a direwolf, a giant and a depressed fire witch following him around.
So here they come, after Robb took many of them to war and death at the Red Wedding, after the Ironborn took advantage of the war of five kings to attack, after Ramsay flayed and threatened anyone who didn’t respect Bolton rule, after several houses have lost their original leadership and/or are in disarray.
Yeah. Hard sell. But I don’t think it will be for the Mormonts. Just from show examples-Jeor and Jorah? Those men are loyal. And Lyanna Mormont’s letter that there is only one king in the North and his name is Stark.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
PS-Jaime looks amazing in the Riverlands. I’m praying Lancel sends him a note or Bronn tells him about that relationship with Cersei. Also-do we even know if he knows that she’s the one that put HS in power just to mess with the Tyrells like a petty you know what? I’m so ready for him to wake up from that hold she has on him that makes him an idiot and takes away all of his personal growth.
Oh and Marg, Olenna and Septa Unella? I will need to watch that meeting closely to see if the two smartest women in the realm can pass messages to each other without giving anything away to shame nun.
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine.
Nope, Sansa’s tall in the books too. Shockingly, you can be both tall and feminine at the same time, and height has no correlation to whether or not a person is submissive.
On another note, yay Blackfish! I hope he drags Jaime’s ass but good.
I loved yoyr description of so many ‘discussions’ – so right! It is amazing tho, even with those that make me roll my eyes and scroll, there are three times as many that are interesting or funny or informative or all of the above!
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
That would be good for the off season. But someone would have to keep track of it all and man I wouldn’t wish that job on anyone
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
afaik Sophie said they wanted her to appear towering over men, they made her wear high heels to make her look even higher in past seasons.
I saw something yesterday that I really want to believe. That this was a test for the Waif too-and one she seems to be failing tbh because I don’t think FM should be so emotional or revel in the idea of hurting and killing someone. That’s not their style.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Tinfoil addition: And it will have something to do with Syrio wanting her to finish her dancing lessons lmao
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
It’s been a while since I watched that scene, but Mel basically says something to Selyse about her being so devout that she can see pass the magic.
Here’s the scene at YouTube if you want to rewatch it.
One old man’s opinion:
Lady Stoneheart does not fit the narrative these two are working in the show.
LSH is an allegoric tale being woven to reveal ridiculousness of a revenge based system of escalating violence.
The showrunners are using violence to drive the ratings. The books are anti-war, anti-violence.
The HBO show has become little more than being about badasses kicking other badasses’ asses. They’ve dropped the main motif of the book series long ago.
It’s for the best shes out anyway since they would have botched it.
Not saying they aren’t good discussions, just that I don’t have time for it all!
I SO want a thread of admitting our incorrect predictions.
These pictures alone signify how epic this episode will be, count all the stuff they wouldn’t want to spoil, and we have another corker.
Does anyone have any theories about what Sansa is writing up in the episode promo?
Jumbo: Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
In AFFC Sansa is described by LF as “a maiden tall and fair” – she had a huge growth spurt sometime during the 3rd-4th book as I recall. I always thought she was taller than Baelish, at least, if not taller than the “average” Westerosi guy. She’s certainly not petite in the books, at least not by this point in time. Arya and Dany are petite, not Sansa.
And Jon’s height is never fully settled in the book. I’ve read some people say that he must be fairly short because he is described as always wearing LongClaw on his back instead of his hip. But yeah, Sansa being taller than Jon wouldn’t surprise me too much.
And yah she’s shorter than Clegane in both… obviously. 🙂
BIG OLE REMINDER:
You must use spoiler coding! Cover up all that
Stoneheart chat
, every bit of it. It’s obvious what you’re talking about even when you think you’re being subtle. Cover it up, this is a post for everyone.
And please take with several grains of salt anything you hear from people claiming to have heard things from GRRM.
It would be surprising, but then again, “Blood of my Blood” was the first episode in the series without Tyrion or Jon. So far every episode Tyrion had missed had included Jon :
“You Win or You Die”, “Rains of Castamere”, “First of his Name”, and “Watchers on the Wall”.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
The more I look at Sophie’s 2 lies and a truth the more I think she lied about all 3.
Danny:
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments.Jon could use him in this recruiting business.What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf?Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
LOL, it’s probably the latter. Ghost is all caught up with S6 and knows what’s happened to his siblings. He’s come to the conclusion that his best defense is to stay the hell away from the Starks.
The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
Then again, Jorah said there were 100’000 people in Vaes Dothrak, but perhaps Dany won’t bring them all to Westeros ? After all, many of those will be children, women, and the elderly. Unless the Dothraki are permanently moving to Westeros, I’m not sure they would really come with her.
Now that Dany has united the Dothraki, the fate of Vaes Dothrak, and the Dothraki people’s future as a society is a little unclear.
It was Preston Jacobs apparently… but we all know… GRRM could just lie, so it doesn’t confirm or deny anything IMO…
Common Sense, in the end, makes be think LSH happening wud just be weird @ this point…
Tho i’ve mostly let it go, a small part of me still yearns for it ,lol
I love Tyrion, but I don’t need him in every episode. I get Peter Dinklage is the star of the show and tops the bill, and there must be an obligation to feature him in as many eps, but a lil’ 2 minute Meereen update amongst the all the goodness of this episode just isn’t necessary.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Ive been thinking that as well. Jacquens look when Waif walked away was telling to me
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
It doesn’t seem right that they would leave Tyrion out for two episodes in a row….
HotPinkLipstick: Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that…
Yeah something like that, or that they would all kneel to him and Mel would do something like proclaim him AA loudly.
And generally I’ve been so wrong all season and. Never thought Brienne would find Sansa. Who could have imagined the concept of Tormund crushing on Bri?? NEVER thought that Jon and SANSA would unite (WHA?!??!), assumed like everyone else Dany would be saved by Drogon (WRONG), thought Cersei would blow up the sept of Baelor last week (NOPE).
And I’m so excited to be wrong more.
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
That was so brilliant.
As a side note I need more Brienne in my life this episode but I’m a bit worried that they will just have her as a stinger at the end (Jaime/Brienne reunion) and I will scream.
Tim McInnerny and Ian McShane in the same episode! It really is incredible how the show manages to get so many big names for such small roles, but then this is the biggest show on TV. There’s too many examples to list, but these two add to the long number of actors who have signed up for cameo roles. I honestly can’t think of another show, ever, to have so many big actors sign up for such roles
Hy~pe!! Hope we get a glimpse of
the Hound
this episode. And that Arya introduces the Waif the the pointy end of Needle.
I think Tyrion and Dany might be leaving Meereen in ep 10, so I am just wondering how they can wrap it all up in only 3 episodes..
I bet he shows up for a few minutes.
I hear you. I was laid up with a hip fracture the last three months so I had lots of time to be on line, but yeah normally I wouldn’t have had much time either
This is a BIG episode for Mr. Jon S.
aabe: The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
Haha, Tyrion absent in two episodes in a row? Not.
Jaime and the Blackfish look so good! And Bronn!!! I still miss the Bronn-Tyrion duo – Jaime and Bronn never ever came close to that, in my opinion. Arya finally out of the No One Cult. Jon, Sansa and Davos doing the filler recruiting thing till Episode 9, I guess. I wish Davos would go and find Shirren’s pyre, but that could happen in Ep. 9 too since it’s near Winterfell.
Markus Stark: The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
I posted this above, but what about Yara/Theon in their fastest ships warning Dany about Euron coming with 1,000 ships. Then they (probably masterminded by Tyrion) come up with a plan to lure Euron into a trap and steal the ships from him.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
As if a fatherless girl in the Middle Ages had a saying on stuff like that…
I am not contradicting you, it may quite well be as you say, but it would be very unfair!
imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
I think only about 2 dozen or so Wildlings were at CB to see Jon come back from the dead. To them he’s a God, but to the remaining thousands back at Wildling camp (especially the warriors), Tormund still has some convincing to do. And judging from the trailers, we know he succeeds.
I do agree with the rest of your post, that Team Stark does have a hard-sell on their hands when it comes to the Northern houses. Their various credibility is shot to hell at the moment.
Random prediction not based on these pictures.
Jaqen will eventually reveal himself as Lady Crane. Killing the Waif is the final step of Arya’s training.
I think it makes sense why the rest of the Widlings would need convincing. Not all of them saw Jon’s dead body, so not all of them would believe he was some sort of God. The free folk aren’t a monolith , they are a diverse group of people with different tribes, and various superstitions and motivations. And it’s not like they are very used to being organized anyway….this is really unpresedented stuff for them, as their tribes are usually always splintered and fighting.
They joined up to get past the wall, and now that they are past the wall, I can see some of them having reservations on following orders from a crow, even someone they might respect for bringing them there. They need to be convinced that this is the best thing for them. They aren’t just going to blindly follow Jon without feeling that it is in their best interest to. I believe they will be convinced, but I think it’s worth it to have a scene showing some of the reserved free folk being convinced to go fight for a castle.
Oh yeah, Im walking now, with a cane at this point but hopefully when school starts up this fall I’ll be in shape again to go running after the kids… thanks.
ash, jentario,
At the end of season 5, “Jaqen” drinks poison and “dies.” The “Waif” then turns into “Jaqen.” Was the
kindly man
who died or “Jaqen” or just generic “no one”? I am so lost on these FM. I understand the changes to the Waif to make her a fighter, I just
enjoy her book character more for her antithesis to Arya as opposed to the jealous version in the show.
Does Jon really need to mention his death and resurrection? If they are still going to see him as an oath-breaker (which he technically really isn’t), he should just tell people he didn’t feel like he could ever trust his men again after such betrayal and so he left the Watch for everyone’s sake. He’s got the wounds to prove he was attacked. As to how he was able to survive them? Well, he could tell them Mel saved him. Being saved is less spooky than being resurrected. I mean only about 8 people actually saw Jon as a corpse, of those only 3 are with Jon. There is really no need to spread that kind of information around. It’s unimportant for what they are trying to do. I mean Mel would be the only one who I could see wanting people to know what took place with Jon, and only because she now believes he’s the promised one so she would want people to see him as that but I also think she’s learned a hard lesson with the Stannis debacle and will try to be more of an adviser and less of a manipulator.
Jumbo: QueenofThrones,
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion. But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all. Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
Oh… now that would be interesting.
I was thinking the show would trick us into thinking Arya dies and have the Waif return to Jaquen only to kill him and reveal she’s Arya wearing her face.
Interesting – that whole bit when she came back to HBW was hard to follow, and there could have been some identity switching going on. Mmm I agree with you about
The Kindly Man – I really miss him, as well as the Waif . I loved the interactions between them and wished they’d been in the show but its different for a reason. Still think of when KM first meets Arya and he shows her the worm and rather than be frightened, she just eats it!
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
i really don’t think they’re going that way, it’s more a sandor/arya thing in the show, and not romantic. sandor has been namedropped twice already in arya’s storyline in braavos, i’m really looking forward to seeing them meet again in the riverlands
Markus Stark: Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
Very intriguing.
I’m probably wrong, and biased in my wishes because I hate Euron and want him to sink into the sea ASAP.
But Tyrion is cleverer than anyone, especially Show!Euron. So I don’t think it’s unrealistic that he could be hoodwinked by Dany’s forces.
Let’s imagine they left Euron out of the show completely. Yara would have become King of the II and then built some ships and… what? Turtled up I guess? She wouldn’t have even known Daenerys and her Dragons existed. Euron beating Yara and Theon gave the show runners the excuse they needed to put the characters where they need to be – in the show, Euron is the literary definition of an antagonist – someone (or thing) that causes the protagonist(s) to take action. If Yara had just learned about dany some other random way and chosen to go herself, that would seem deus ex machina-y. Plus there wouldn’t be any question about what happens, whereas with Euron, we don’t know who will be at Dany’s side – Yara or Euron?
Yah he’d just be a one-season / one-shot villain in my scenario, but he surely is not irrelevant.
I thought it would be kind of cool if Arya defeats the waif and ends up leaving the waif’s face behind per Jaqen’s, “One way or another a face will be added,” line.
The lack of a worm was very frustrating. Such a great introduction to the KM! I def get giving more action to the waif in show. I just think her being a more sympathetic and learned (speaking languages, making poisons) character teaches Arya more so than getting whooped by the jealous teacher’s assistant. Apologies for the book rant
The show has done more to set up an Arya and Sandor reunion than a Sansa and Sandor reunion. In the show, the Sansa/Hound interactions feel like way more of an afterthought than the stuff in the books, especially since there is no scene where Sansa misremembers being kissed by The Hound. From how it’s presented in the show, I doubt Sansa has even spent one second thinking about Sandor.
The fact that Brienne referred to The Hound as some man pretty much killed off any future subplot of Sansa/Sandor in the show, imo.
I do wonder if Arya will ever see The Hound again. Tbh, I think I’d look forward to Arya/Sandor reuniting more than Arya/Jon. At least on the show. In the books, Jon and Arya feel so much closer since they are constantly thinking about each other. I so want him to mush her hair again. But then again if I see him mush her head on the show, I’m sure I’ll lose it there too.
Oooo I like that! Or The Waif kills Arya revealing herself as…….. GENDRY!
I kid of course.
Fishscales on the Blackfish’s armor. I love the costumes that tie back to the house sigil. Arya is out and about no longer sporting the the ladies of Bravos fav two knot look. There is so much attention given to the small differences that define each cities culture. Finding the subtle messages in every scene makes the show so enjoyable to watch.
HunterMac87: imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
Oh dear… Tyrion couldn’t help himself I’m sure. They’d better add a self-reference about how that’s enough eunich jokes already!
I’m interested – what do you make of the Sansa/Littlefinger relationship and the Hound’s potential impact upon it?
i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Sean C.: I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row.That has never happened before.So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
Dany and Drogon will land in Meereen this week, taking the bird-flies route and beating her 100,000 bloodriders. They’ll arrive in the midst of the madness and mayhem we saw in Meereen in the season trailers. And then, Fire and Blood. Or am I a week early in that prediction?
I love the Arya image with the Titan in the background. The Titan really makes Braavos for me. I think there’s much more to him than meets the eye, and that we’ll see the Titan in action sometime after the Wall comes down.
Bronn!!
Also, that one Lannister on the far right, the one with the fully visible face, looks real familiar too; like some featured extra that also was a Lannister soldier with a line of dialog in a previous season. No idea if that’s true, could be my imagination.
Shouldn’t they have to convince Dany of their trustworthiness first? The Ironborn are known for their rebeliousness, whilst Tyrion and Varys are aware of Theon’s treachery against the Starks who treated him as a member of their family despite him being a ward. Yara will have her hands full in their upcoming meeting.
No apologies nec; we all have our parts in the book that we wish were dif in the show. Can’t help that. At least we still have to books to go back to and enjoy 🙂
Yeah, I’ve been having a tough time even remembering in which thread I’ve posted. I mean, I’m really happy for the site and those who run it comment sections are going at such a seemingly break-neck speed (at least it seems much more so than last season), but it’s making it such that I’m having a tough time keeping up.
In the previews, Sansa’s saying she did what she had to do to survive but it looks like the Mormont sigil is mounted on the walls, and she’s inside. There’s another scene of Glover approaching them and they’re outside – two different scenes. But methinks she’s going to have to answer for being Lady Bolton more than once
but I thought they said the north will be reminded ?
Call me an optimist, but I can’t believe they’d cast Tim McInnerny for one scene. I know they’re doing that for McShane, but that was a widely touted cameo. Tim is a lesser known actor worldwide but given the cult status of Blackadder, having him onscreen for 5 mins would be a huge waste. I’m hoping it means that Glover will join them.
(Pleased to see it confirmed – I thought it was him in the trailer! Now cast Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Miranda Richardson, Hugh Lawrie and Stephen Fry pls!)
The trailer definitely makes it appear like Sansa is going to be given hell by all these northern houses for being a Lannister/Bolton. I’d like to think after defending herself umpteen times to belligerent northern lords, that she finds an ally in little Lyanna Mormont. I am almost more excited to see Lyanna MORMONT than grown up Lyanna STARK. Especially if she gets some form of Wylla M’s speech.
Given the time it takes to build ships (a couple of months), Theon and Yara should be able to arrive before Euron even leaves. Oh wait, it’s the show. Logic need not apply to logistics or supply chains….sorry, I forgot.
There’s one thing I’m slightly confused about. After Arya killed Trant, Jaqen took the poison and killed himself, but then the Waif turned into him. If Arya does kill the Waif, what stops one of the other Faceless Men turning into the Waif (thus meaning Arya will never be free of her)?
fairly straight forward episode
-Riverrun
Jamie comes up on the siege, the Freys produce Edmure, blah blah blah, i’d imagine it’s pretty close to the book’s plotline. [/ spoiler] once Brianne gets there… who knows but i doubt there’s anything more than her arrival.
-Northern recruiting, probably will be a mixed bag result. Most houses likely willing to help in some fashion, but not enough to give Jon an Army large enough to beat Ramsay.
-Volantis, Bro n Sis working on a plot to get Dany to go with them instead of Euron.
-KL, Tyrells and Cersei will be cranky, and come to the conclusion they either work together or lose their power. Sparrow will start dealing with Loras- or at least he will come up this episode.
-Braavos, Can Arya just end the Waif now? please. the Waif will be added to the hall of faces and Arya and Joquen will make peace with the situation and she’ll leave for Westeros (probably split over 2 episodes)
inactive plot lines
North of the wall- nothing
Iron Islands- nothing
Dorne- is that even still a place?
Oldtown/Horn Hill- nothing
Meeren- nothing (will throw fans a curve ball by not including Peter two times)
Dany-wherever she is…nothing gonna happen this episode.
Oh that fucking last pic, I Don’t give a damn about the Tyrells, don’t start to fuck with me like this when I know you’re killing them all off in the finale.
(sry for language lol)
Elizabeth H:
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
Marg is most certainly not a genuine believer. She’s playing her game. Her motivation is Ser Loras, primarily. If Cersei gets knocked down in the process, all the better, but I don’t think Cersei is her primary motivation.
O/T: I may be late to discover this, but has anyone else been watching S3 of Penny Dreadful! Our sweet young Ned, Sebastian Croft, is a nasty little vampire in it!
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
There’s a difference between Jon and Daeny. All of Dothraki saw her rebirth or that pyre show. Jon was more of a quiet scene that only Tormund, Wun Wun and other Wildlings saw. Not all of them and they would need convincing.
Tormund will make a case because Jon was the only who tried to save them and died because of that. And Ramsay is going after them or threatened them and Jon is their only hope. It’s out of necessity for them fight which they will at the battle.
It would be harder to convince other such as Glovers because they just took Deepwood Motte from IronBorn and it probably took some of their men. So they likely decline it because of that and reputation of Sansa, Jon and Wildlings. Not everybody is perfect like Daeny gathering allies left, right and center. But it makes it all the more fun.
Blackfish looks like he IS ready to kick some ass.
The best trash talking in ASoIaF is castellans insulting their besiegers. The Blackfish’s insolence is exceeded only by that of the castellan at Storm’s End not yielding to Stannis and then calling out Stannis’s riders who used to support Renly, including the remaining Renly Kingsguard amazingly still wearing rainbow cloaks.
So I’m hoping GoT really lets the defiance rip.
I would also like to see Jaime’s war council, which became a farce of heads of Houses behaving badly.
I’m just thinking that if I put my hands into holes in a man’s chest where he’d been clearly and fatally stabbed over and over and over and yet was living, breathing, walking, and talking, I wouldn’t have a problem believing in the undead north of the Wall. Plus Michael McElhatton confirmed that he thought Roose and Ramsay would already know and believe that the White Walkers were real, didn’t he?
lalla: i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Bringing a character back from the “dead” is only done if there is a point to it. Why bring the Hound back if it is not to
share his knowledge of Littlefinger’s betrayal of Ned Stark?
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread. Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
THE NORTH SCENES HYPE!
In all seriousness, I thought they MIGHT split up the traveling, but their together here, Bear Island, and even with the Wildlings.
There’s going to be no montage – seriously, has this show EVER done a montage?
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
It isn’t going to be THAT straightforward with the Mormonts btw. That’s where Sansa says “I did what I had to do to survive,” so you know someone is going to question her. And that’s where Davos talks about the real war, so it’s not some walk in the park on Bear Island either. But at the end, she is a Stark, Jon has Longclaw, and it’s Lyanna Mormont.
I don’t care at all about Mereen. Haven’t missed Tyrion there at all. I think the show is trying to save a deathly boring book arc by sending some of it’s best or most intriguing characters there (Varys and Tyrion), but I’m not sure that many people care at all.
Oh, so excited that Tim McInnerny is in this and as a Glover! Have loved him from Blackadder. So very curious what the other lords of the North have to say about what has been going on.
Luka Nieto,
Oh he can be mean and intimidating too, I’ve seen him do genuinely scary. Although Lord Percy from Blackadder II is by far my fave. “Percy, play for me”….“Patty cake, patty cake baker’s man” 😀 😀
HotPinkLipstick
Hi Pinky, good to see you. Thought you might have overdone it with the pre-season drinking games. Personally I’m just taking credit for the things I got correct and ignoring the far larger numbers of misses. It was one large ship in the trailer, not three smaller ones, therefore I am a genius! 😉
Tycho Nestoris
I can’t remember whether it was Sophie or Maisie who said
the bit about names being crossed off Arya’s list, but I took that to mean she finds out some of the people on it are already dead (like Joffrey), rather than she actually kills them herself. Unless she manages to get to Westeros by ep10 and wreaks some serious havoc?
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
Ooo, yes, but this particular lamb has teeth and claws. He will go down fighting. He won’t take Ramsay with him, exactly, because we have to have the Battle of the Bastards, but Ramsay won’t walk away from Rickon unscathed. I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
But in reality it will be a faceless man wearing Shae’s face to assassinate Tyrion, ordered by Cersei.
Also FUCK YEAH THE BLACKFISH.
The show – like the books – has come so far from the war over the Iron Throne (Balon’s death really cemented that). The Lannisters won, the Starks were destroyed, and everything else went their own way.
But to have the Blackfish remind Jaime, “As long as I’m standing the war is not over,” I squealed and clapped my hands and almost fell off my chair.
How cool is it going to be to see Theon and Yara meet Dany.
I am looking forward to Theon and Tyrion meeting again. Last time they met, they did not like each other much, and were then on opposite sides of the Stark/Lannister war. They both care about Sansa to varying degrees and Theon knows what happened to her after the Purple Wedding and how bad her marriage to Ramsay was. I wonder, if they do meet, if Theon with share this with Tyrion and what Tyrion’s reaction to it would be.
I would love that .
I usually use my memory and check the time of the last comment I read
And let’s say a couple hours pass when I can’t check the comments (say I’m working out or something) I remember the time tag of the last comment
I, personally, wouldn’t find that particularly helpful, although just because I wouldn’t doesn’t mean others would feel the same.
Like I said, I’m really happy for the site things are so busy, and if that means I can’t keep up the way I’d like, that’s just how it goes. There is the bonus, at least for me, of missing some of the inevitable whining about things that I, at least, find absurd. If enough folks want a more…focused, or at least easy to keep up with conversation, we can always start a thread in the forums.
And its gonna be awesome. I love the plotting and the build up. Because they are giving us clues and stuff. And nothing happen overnight either. I don’t see how a plot with Cercei and Zombie mountain can be boring. If all else fails, she will burn something down.
I neither love nor hate Danny, just indifferent. In terms of her storyline well she needs to get to westros so i can at least start caring about it.
Simon,
Yeah, could be. She did seem strikingly empathetic towards Cersei at that point, although Lady Crane asks her in the same conversation (paraphrasing here can’t remember the exact words) if she enjoys pretending so perhaps she is being sympathetic towards Lady C rather then Cersei? Whatever the case, we should find out very soon 🙂
My collection of theories for the episode at this time:
(1) Mereen makes an appearance. Maybe to show the progress of the red priestesses and/or set up the pursuit of an alliance with Dorne.
(2) Yara and Theon are bound for Dany. That seems like the consensus. I think they’ll advise her to neglect Euron’s offer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she goes rogue and tries to pull another Dracarys moment. Or perhaps it will be true love <3
(3) Recruiting the Northern armies doesn't go so well. I'm wondering why (a) Sansa isn't considering using the army of the Vale, or (b) why Jon or Davos wouldn't recommend it. It's hard to imagine LF taking a side, but he has to have more of a role in all of this somehow.
(4) Arya kills the Waif (more of a hope that a solid prediction, fingers crossed)
(5) Arya travels to Westeros with the acting troupe. She may even kill the Sansa actress. I'd love to see her then take the role (her dialogue with Lady Crane was a potential setup), but I don't buy her as an actress, and I don't think either of those things would happen this week.
(6) Olenna is the new target of the HS.
(7) Jaime ain't too happy about being on the side of Walder Frey v. Blackfish.
I feel kind of in the dark, but regardless, I'm amped for this week!
Nadia:
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
Honestly, I doubt that’s going to be brought up. Ramsay’s letter to Jon didn’t even mention Theon (almost like he knows Theon didn’t go with Sansa to Castle Black and has exited this plotline completely).
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
I was wrong about Hodor. I theorized years ago that he would be fluent in the Old Tongue, of which “Hodor” was a word. I wanted him to have a big ole conversation when he finally met Wun Wun or Wildlings who spoke the Old Tongue. I still think Hodor is part giant but obviously the rest wasn’t the Hodor story.
I think this season has leaned toward confirming more of my heartfelt theories, though, than denying them, so I’m happy all in all.
It’s littlefingers roll that will be the big reveal.
“The High Sparrow eyes another target” – He’s looking to Dorne. More salt in the Lannisters’ wounds, and more followers for the Seven.
“Jaime confronts a hero” – Obviously, this is in reference to the Blackfish. At Walder Frey’s behest, Jaime will attempt to ransom Edmure Tulley. This is treacherous, and will put a lot of pressure on the Blackfish to negotiate. Will he let him die, or will Brienne arrive just in time to stop/persuade Jaime?
“Arya makes a plan” – Apparently, she has some things to wrap up before leaving Braavos. She may want to say goodbye to Jaqen…be careful. She most definitely wants to point out a few things wrong with the Waif before climbing on that boat. The best laid plans, though, always seem to go wrong in GoT. This will get hairy. We’re going to see our first extended chase scene in a long time. Through the winding streets and canals of Braavos….exciting.
“The North is reminded” – This has double meaning. Jon, Sansa and Davos are out reminding the Northern Houses that Winter is Coming and so are the White Walkers. They will struggle at first, but as the next 2 episodes progress we’ll see them win over more and more to the Stark cause. The other reminding will be by Tormund Giantsbane to the Free Folk. They have forgotten that it was Jon who brought them through the Wall in the first place. It’s Jon for whom they must fight. He’ll remind them…even if he has to smack around one or two.
Its only logical for Jon and Sansa to have to convince these houses. Ones a official bastard and ones lady Bolton. What these other house must know though and I think will pull them over is the next known alive rightful heir to winterfell, who is a stark, is a prisoner there. And that should be motivation enough. Ready for these plots to start converging. I think this is the last transition episode and the rest are fire works and season conclusions. Dany will reach Mereen end the battle there and turn to westeros, Arya kills the waif, have some sort of interaction with Jaqen. Who I think, knew from the beginning, she could not be no one.
Starks get the army and end Ramsey, and reclaim the north then start thinking about the WW. KL is less predictable. I don’t think there will be a trial by combat. Sparrow will outsmart Cercei again and she will go ape shit. Casualties will abound, including the birds going stabby on Pycelle,Kevan, Sparrow. Cercei burns the city with Wildfire. Tommen dies.
Blackfish is not yielding RR, not even if they threaten Edmure. They have had him however long, what sense does that make? I really think, Brienne will be forced to choose whether to off Jaime or not. He took up arms against Catelyn’s kin when he swore he wouldn’t. I personally hope he dies. He’s useless in the show especially. Never taking responsibility, always following , usually Cercei
Tycho Nestoris,
I think the main cast get, if not the scripts for the whole thing, then at least a good overview of what’s happening in general, whereas those in smaller roles only seem to know about the things that affect them directly. Although obviously people can pick up stuff from other cast members as well. If I was in it I’d certainly be swapping plot points with others. “Oooh you’ll never guess what my lot are up to….*whisper whisper*….how about you?” Trade WTF moments 🙂
Luka Nieto: I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
Acting! I mean, could you have seen Hugh Laurie doing House given his characters in that series?
Tycho Nestoris: Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
It turns out that some of the actors get overall scripts and others just get their own scripts. Part of the reason why we had gotten inconsistent stories about whether actors got to see stuff other than their own material was because it has not been consistent! Moreover, Turner and Williams seem pretty chummy: they probably simply talk about what they have done.
gnarlytarly: but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
Many times? I cannot even think of one off of the top of my head!
Ginevra: I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
The problem is that the show has provided no indication that Rickon can warg. Moreover, I would bet that it would take a very skilled warg to influence Ramsay’s dogs. Animals can resist warging, and Ramsay’s dogs seem to see him as their Alpha. At any rate, given that Rickon is not one of the main characters, I would think that his fate needs to be determined by Jon or Sansa.
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
The FM are NO ONE – they have no names, they give up their identities when they agree to join. They do not introduce themselves with names, unless I suppose when they are playing a part and assume an identity as part of a mission, which is why Jaqen has a name. So no, she isn’t Waif in the show, the waif was just a nickname Arya gave to her in the books, no one had names, so she made up nicknames for everyone.
The actress is listed as the Waif in cast listing to denote who she is, but other than that no she has no name on the show. There is enough general online chatter and discussion for most casual watchers to refer to her as the Waif, there really is no excuse a reviewer – a little basic research would give the name. The average joe watching at home that never looks at GOT related social media or reviews or has a friend/co-worker that does (there must be a few) – probably not.
Jonathan Pryce is putting on a clinic this year on how to subtly convey several different things at once. It’s seriously good acting.
I am getting sceptical that Jon/Sansa’s campaign trail results in any substantial support. It seems Meli going to come handy somehow and make the King of the North in the end.
3b
-they don’t know he has an army willing to enter they fight. remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I suppose it’s possible that the Waif doesn’t find and confront Arya until episode 8… but… I’m a bit more confused now though. In this picture above supposedly from episode 7 she’s wearing the same outfit and same hairdo as in those pictures HBO released before the season of her in the water. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/maisie-williams-game-of-thrones-333243.jpg So now I’m wondering why she’s running from someone and jumping off of a building in one outfit and in a canal in another. She’s not Missandei and has a new outfit every time she’s on screen. 😛
Hodors Bastard: Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
My bet is that the Glovers are going to give Sansa et al. the cold shoulder, both because of Jon’s and Sansa’s propensity to figuratively and literally marry enemies! Besides, when does anything ever come easy for Starks? However, House Mormant seems to be the one good bet. At least in the books, the Wildlings are not their nemesis: the Iron Born are. And the Old Bear is from that house, so they are the one house that might have taken all of those ravens seriously. Still, even they never sent aid to the Wall: perhaps they figured that Gramps had gone nuts!
SerVader:
FINALLY I hope we get our good ol’ Jaime back!
I call Jaime in the Riverlands “Jaime doing senior management” which he has not really done before as a Kingsguard. Jaime thinks
while riding through the besiegers at RR that camping with soldiers and doing warfare is what he really likes to do.
So I’m wondering what he will choose to do now that he is no longer vowed to the KG. Possibilities open up.
Trust No One: remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I think that the bigger issue is that this is going to be key for Sansa’s part in the story. She does not want LF’s help. However, she probably is going to need it. And at some point, she’s going to have to accept that sometimes you have compromise and accept disagreeable allies in order to accomplish your goals. That seems to be the basic story this year.
SEVEN HELLS!!! BRONN IS BACKKK, BITCHES!!!!. SOOOO HYPE. IS IT SUNDAY YET?!?
Nadia: Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening.
Sansa doesn’t have Theon. Theon left to go to the Iron Islands and got caught up in the Kingsmoot. He’s currently on a fleet with Yara sailing to Essos.
Tycho Nestoris: Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
The main actors get the full scripts, not just their parts.
Kamali:
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
Kamali:
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfit. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
oh will be good to see the reaction he has if he finds the half burned buck he carved for her next to the burnt pyre knowing red women burn her
Does anyone have any prediction/theories on how exactly the Manderly’s will play into this? Their armies have been mentioned twice now but
No leaks or promo footage of them at the battle of the bastards? I know someone resembling Wyman has been cast, but will he be making his appearance at Bear Island or in episode 8? If so, where is his army in the footage of the battle? And if it’s episode 8, what will be the circumstances behind him switching allegiances? (will he have already declared for the Boltons in episode 7? Then why would Davos even meet with him? Where would they even be meeting? who he is speaking to, etc) This really has me stumped.
Tycho Nestoris:
Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
The main actors get the full scripts. In Sophie’s case, however, she didn’t read anything not pertaining to her own storyline — though she knows the details of Arya’s (much like last year), I imagine because Maisie is her sister from another mister and they talk a lot, so she’d know what Maisie is up to.
Arya’s list is not a fixed thing. Names can be added and quickly crossed off. Remember the scene in S4 where Arya and the Hound ran into Biter and Rorge? Arya wouldn’t kill Rorge until she found out his name, then immediately killed him right after hearing “Rorge.”
My guess is Arya *will* cross three names off her list. It’s just that she’ll have to add two names to her list first.
Name #1 will be the Waif (or whatever name they give her on the show).
Name #2 is likely going to be Walder Frey at the end of this season.
My only stumbling block was name #3. I’m fairly certain it won’t be Cersei (her death is reserved for the Valonqar) or the Mountain (that’ll be either the Hound or the Sand Snakes). But the more I think about it, the more I think #3 will be Jaqen H’ghar once Arya realizes who sent the Waif after her.
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread.Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
If you Ctrl-F (Cmmd-F on the Mac) on a webpage and type in your name, ash, then you can search and find all of the instances of your name. Of course, it would help if your name was more unique since “ash” could easily be parts of other words or even just a word that doesn’t mean you. But I know if I see Ginevra, I’ve either commented on the thread or should read that comment.
Also, and perhaps I shouldn’t admit this, but I typically skip at least half of the comments – sometimes 75% or more. I read those I know and love and those who generally have something interesting to contribute, and I skip right over the rest.
Having just finished S3 for Ripper Street, this is a banner week for GOT, with Jerome Flynn (Bronn/Bennet Drake), Clive Russell (Blackfish/Chief Inspector Abberline), and perhaps even Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen/Harry Ward) showing up in the same episode.
Ripper Street generally is a good show to watch if you’re playing “spot the GOT actor”.
I buy your explanation of the list issue and I agree that she could put the Waif on it. However I theorize that the third named will be Thoros of Myr who she will run into in the Riverlands either before or after killing Walder Frey
Yeah I get that, but they have to know that the Vale has an army (regardless of LF), and that given their tie to Catelyn, they may likely support a Stark claim to the North. Seems like a somewhat obvious *potential* ally when they are scrambling so hard to find any
Possibly, but Arya had Thoros (and Bedric and Red Witch) on her list at one point in S4, then that list got reduced to just Trant, Cersei, Mountain, and Walder Frey at some point between S4 and S5. Why would she suddenly re-add Thoros (and why would the writers not include Thoros if they were planning on having her off him this season?).
I did see another possible list victim being mentioned in another comment, tho. The actress who plays fake Sansa. I can see Arya adding that actress’s name (because if she’s willing to hire somebody to kill a person solely to get a better role, she’s probably not a nice person), offing her, then taking her face so she can get on a boat to Westeros without being found out. Arya does know how to put on a new face, as we saw in S5E10.
Probably not this episode. I’m expecting him at the beginning of E9, before the big battle.
trarecar: I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
Oh good point, me too. I got a funny feeling when Waif and Arya were talking and the Waif kept asking Arya all kinds of personal questions – who are members of her family and where are they now … I was glad Arya answered that she didn’t know. Do you think the Waif already had intentions of following Arya around and making trouble?
you know dany horse became a snack to the dragon lol
Great stuff, and we still have more to come
Blackfish is great
Jaimie as Lord of Casterly Rock as I guess he is now is great to see. Part of me suspects this is part of a build-up to the Lannisters and Tyrells having to leave KL, eg they’ll have strong victories in this E7 and E8 but then they’ll crash horrifically at the end
As for the Starks and Tully’s who they seem to have an inverse relationship (Lannister high and Stark low was when Ice was being melted down and Lannisters were getting their own VS sword)
Suspect they may go from low, go a bit high, have a blip (being BF loses RR and Rickon dies) but then catapult high. Jon probably inherits the Stark side of things and Sansa the Tully’s (who won’t follow Jon).
Technically Bran should inherit it all but he’s gone from KitN to lofty 3-eyed crow!
Great to see some Tyrell soldiers around KL as going by that QoT pic, makes a nice change from Lannisters being de facto Royal Army…especially when mace is sent to Braavos an inexpicably has no Household guard
Cersei caused the deaths of Micah, Lady, and Ned. Arya will never forgive Cersei, unless she becomes ‘No One’. The person we saw in Blood of My Blood was Arya Stark and not No One. She was not empathizing with Cersei, but she was feeling sad for Lady Crane actress, whose well-rendered dialogues were about tragedy and cruelty of death. Arya’s conversation later has nothing to do with Cersei, (although we as viewers know that Arya’s estimate of Cersei was accurate) but herself. This was moments after she gazed at Ned’s head prop. At the end of conversation, when Lady Crane asks if Mercy like pretending to be other people, she answers ‘I have to go, my father is waiting’. She is leaving Braavos and Facelessmen, and she is doing that for her father. Avenging Ned involves killing/torturing Cersei. Arya may forgive Hound and Ilyn Payne because they were acting on orders, but Cersei had an active role in destroying Arya’s family. If she moves on, she will no longer be Arya Stark.
ETA: Also this was Cersei reacting to Joffrey’s death. There is no reason for Arya to feel bad. If Cersei was mourning Tommen or Myrcella, Arya might feel sadness or pity, but not in case of Joffrey.
I can’t wait for the BF scenes in RR. Plus, Bronn is also there. I detect there will be high levels of sarcasm thrown everywhere.
the BF not caring the Freys want to hang Edmure. They threaten to hang him and BF will be like , “So what? Piss Off” Calling their bluff and going back inside. The Freys fail because they are so dumb.
Bronn adding his own snark into the mix. It is going to be so good.
This made me sad. (Got a thing for horses – I was more sad about Smiler and Dancer than men of Winterfell like Rodrik or Luwin)
Have to say that I’m actually looking forward to the adapted AFfC stuff concerning Jaimie and the RL, think it will be done well in the show
Also worth mentioning, people whinged about it not being included chronologically, but the placement of it in the show may end up making good sense
OMG
OMG
Finally…
DEEPWOOD MOTTE!!!
I think the next target is Loras. He is still in prison. HS can messed him up even more.
Dee:
I am most excited for the North! then the Riverrun stuff
SO DAMMMM EXCITED
Same. But the river land storyline is looking juicy.
Also I honestly want more Kings Landing, I’m intrigued at the games people play there. They’re all one card away to put all their chips on the table
I bet the new target for the high sparrow will be The Mountain.
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
I’m not usually attracted to older men, but holy cow did he looks sexy in that preview.
imjustsayin: Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger. NO NO NO, that can’t happen. Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey. I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
She does know how to put on a face if she has a face to put on. Last season, she stole a face from the Hall of Faces because she had access to the Hall. Will she be able to steal any, now? Does she know how to make the faces? Will Jaqen share that secret with her? These are the questions at the heart of Arya’s entire Braavos story, IMO. She needs to either take some faces or the secret to making faces with her, and then all of her time will be worth it.
True, negotiations are going to be in Danys favor, but the Greyjoys do have a lot to offer her.
I imagine some Tyrion/Theon interactions will be involved. They actually met that one time! Tyrion surely will be surprised at the change he’s gone through.
Thronetender: Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger.NO NO NO, that can’t happen.Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
I think it’s both because if Arya remains intent on revenge she will have become the very thing she hates in others. And actually if she reminds herself about the death of her father she’ll remember Cersei opposed Ned’s execution.
I wonder if getting denied by Northern houses and seeing how reluctant the Wildlings are is what makes Sansa tell Jon about the Vale? I’m holding out hope that she doesn’t continue to lie about that, and I can’t imagine she keeps that information if they really are having trouble rallying the North.
Maybe the letter she’s writing in the preview is to the Vale forces?
They sure do, they have best navy in Westeros and Yara is a most capable commander, but I would expect Varys to be suspicious and perhaps question if it would be wise to trust them with the transportation of their entire army.
Yes they did, back when half the Starks were alive and Theon was too cocky for his own good! Can’t wait for them to meet, i do believe that we will be in for a treat!
On another note if it took them an episode to reach Volantis then it’s safe to assume that if Dany leaves Essos in the season finale then she will arrive to Westeros by next season’s premiere.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that. This is one of the deviations that really didn’t work well in the context of the characters. It severed the plot, not the characters. Since the decision wasn’t developed beforehand, the abruptness of it didn’t really make sense from the characters POV. Neither Littlefiger or Sansa would take such an unnecessary risk, especially as their first option. (Not to mention LF just leaving her there to handle it all alone, grrr.) A little more development might have worked it out, but the show didn’t spend/have time to. You just are forced to accept it and move on.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey.I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
Right. Up to this point young Arya has had a very black and white point of view about her enemies – but we saw some hints of her maturing with the Hound, the FM realized she didn’t hate him anymore before she realized it. She just wasn’t ready to see the other side. This was just another example of her maturing and realizing that her enemies are real people who also care about their family. It doesn’t mean that she will forgive or stop hating them, but like you said put other more important things, like reuniting with her family, above simply living for revenge.
Guys, I hate to break it to you. But that’s not Deepwood Motte. It’s not wooden.
(A joke, but I’d understand if the show not going that route with the design.)
You’ve also brought up an important point. Arya has been training at the temple of black and white (why didn’t I see this before) and has now come to the realisation the the world is not black and white but more nuanced and a patchwork of greys – and not surprisingly the also Stark family colour.
Wimsey: Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
Definitely the wildling factor will be interesting in building their northern alliance. Skepticism will dominate the northern houses! I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
The “I did what I had to do to survive” does apply to Joffrey and Tyrion, but not Ramsay. She married him out of choice – her own plot with LF. Just because it went wrong, doesn’t mean the North has to help her take it back.
That is to say, most women at that time can’t fight against their husbands just because they don’t LIKE them. Sansa might have a harder time getting support – they need to emphasize Rickon
I disagree a bit. Her ark is that she goes from innocent and pure to vengeful. She doesn’t have to come back from that, nor do I think she can. She has been corrupted as a child and that will stick with her. She almost has to die in the end. I think it would be poetic if she turned down happiness and returned herself the the House of Black and White after her list was completed and donated her face to the wall. Get one final scene with “Arya” assassinating someone.. Though we know it’s not her.
I like the site activity too. I just worry about jumping in when I’m so far behind reading.
I do wonder if I’m going to need to peddle these nude selfies I have of you to D&D to get spoilers this hiatus. I mean, in case you thought I’d forgotten…
I’m not against the idea that she has to come back to the temple of black and white but to do so she needs to become no one and to achieve that she has to let go of the past.
I’m not sure the temple will remain after the long night. Its more probable that all the institutions conceived in this world under a particular understanding will have that certainty undone. I’m seeing no throne, no kingdom, no gods.
imjustsayin: That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
How can Arya contribute to the story if she cannot evolve as a character anymore? Arya will prevail: the question is, how, and at what cost?
viki: Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
You’re right that the “I did what I had to do” excuse only applies to one of her marriages and not both. I hadn’t thought of that. The circumstances were vastly different, and I hope the show and Sansa don’t gloss over it when questioned by the Northern lords.
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
Hodors Bastard: I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
If they are smart, then they will have the Wildlings stay away. It is not just that Northerners would attack a Wildling host: given that the bad feelings exist on both sides, it would be just too easy for a Wildling to “settle an old score” a la Lawrence of Arabia.
One thing that jumped out at me last week was the vehemence with which Tarley spoke of the Wildlings. If the southerners hate them so, then it really is small wonder that the Umbers were so desperate to cement an alliance with the Boltons. (But, then from what we see and read of the Wildlings’ deeds and feelings to the “southerners,” can we blame them?)
Shane snow: Littlefingers own advice to tywin. We only make peace with our enemies. Sansa can remember what happened at a later time and settle it then.
True! However, this can affect multiple scenarios. One reason why I’ve thought that Jon and Sansa are going to have troubles gaining allies is that this is the view we expect the Northerners to take towards the Boltons: no, we have not forgotten the Red Wedding, but a Wildling Invasion is a much more pressing matter.
That written, all of those things will get put on hold once they actually see wights and realize, sacred feces, they are real!
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
Maybe. The Blackfish is a black sheep badass, so it is hard to predict what he’ll do. I don’t think he’s just going to hand the castle over to the enemy, no matter what his lord says. And I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing. If POTUS were kidnapped and held at gunpoint by enemy combatants, we should say, “We’re so sorry. You served us well. Your sacrifice will never be forgotten.” But we shouldn’t hand over the keys to the kingdom.
I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
I was thinking what’s that under the sheet..y is cersei looking at it ….untill I realised it was ollena’s head ….hehehe. ….
wow arya looks cool….and I want tyrion next episode ….
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
QueenofThrones: Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion.But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all.Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
I am SanSan to the core (more in book verse) but agree that the sexual undertones where muted and probably side-stepped because Sophie was underage while filming. What I do think D&D did well was show Sandor’s protective nature towards both the Stark girls, when he had no reason to give a damn. I think Sansa got under his skin, same with Arya but for totally different reasons. And I loved that. I don’t think the tale between the three is over by any stretch (I still think Sandor is the “Knight” Sansa dreamed about growing up…just in an unexpected package and not necessarily romantically).
As for the age different between the actors, that is neither here nor there for me. I never expected for D&D to take the romantic route but even if they did, I don’t ship Rory and Sophie. So the age of the actor doesn’t matter (unless they are underage, then no thanks) as long as it works for the character.
That doesn’t matter to be honest. At that day and age, a man who treats his wife brutally isn’t enough to go to war over.
The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Great pics. The Riverrun and North arcs seem exciting. Can’t wait for the North remembers speech
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
Here’s how I see things:
Arya will face the waif and the true test will be revealed, like people have said, she will kill the waif, Jaqen will be pleased that she passed her final test, the waif losing hers. They part on good terms. The famous chase scene is not a chance at all, but Arya deciding to leave with the theatre troupe, swimming out to their boat that has just left port.
Btw o/t but Gendry is in bravos. He rowed to KL and stowed in a ship bound for Bravos, thus getting him far away from Meli and the other threats he faced as Roberts’ bastard. There, he has used his trade and found work in a smiths shop. The same shop that Tywin hired and brought over to rework Ned’s VS sword ice? iirc. Gendry will have apprenticed under him this whole time…somehow he makes it to slavers bay where Tyrion meets up with him and offers him a job as Dany’s royal Smith, bringing him back to Westeros.
LF wrote the letter to Jonsa and co. To bate them into battle against ramsey. What actually causes bastardbowl, is the Smalljon double cross twist, and poor Rickon’s death. It’s LF plan that the two forces decimate themselves, and he can bring the Vale forces in to clean up, thus fulling his goal to become the warden of the north on his way to conquering the 7 kingdoms.
Hold the door though cuz this backfires on LF. As he’s marching his army of the vale towards WF, with the army et al believing they are going to help, they see the battle has already,for the most part, occurred and the last of boltons remaining forces are defeated. Ramsey how ever thinks he can flee and attempts to escape More on this in a bit.
First, as LF orders his army to then turn on Jonsa and co, Lord (who I can’t remember his name at this point as this is just spewing from my head as I type but was the one who almost went thru the moon door when Robyn got his eagle) turns against LF and refuses to attack Stark men. The army is now under the control of this lord and LF is taken prisoner.
Meanwhile, as the Starks know their home better than anyone, Ramsey thinks he’s escaped only to see Sansa. In a moment that Ramsey is startled and already wounded in the Smalljon twist, Sansa drives a dagger slowly into his heart as she gives an amazing speech at how he hurt her so much but that killing him right there and now gives her so much satisfaction. And with that Ramsey meets his end, by the very hand of the person he hurt the most. Oh but did I tell u that at that moment, she feels a kick in her stomach and knows what it means. The death of a monster, is also followed by the confirmation of that monster’s child growing inside her…
Mean while LF is taken before Sansa after all the dust has settle. Through the assistance of Robyn who shows up at some point during the battle, and learns of the LF plot, orders LF to be thrown thru the moon door. But Sansa says something like screw that, and plunges the same dagger she used to kill Ramsey, into LF’s heart. Saying he’s used her for the last time a look of fear, sadness and remorse comes across LF face as he dies. Yup Sansa sure does have the redemption type season she said she would. The houses that are left standing proclaim her Queen of the North! After a long cheer Sansa looking like the queen she was meant to be, she clutched her stomach and begins to have a miscarriage. Blood dripping down her leg, she stands up straight and with a smile of relief and confidence we cut to black. Episode over.
Thoughts? Sorry about long post. This literally came to me as I typed it. It is known.
Lyanna Mormont plays a pivotal role in this episode. She knows something significant and does something significant for a major character. TV Guide’s nonsense about Game of Thrones not having the ability to shock their audience anymore? Get back to me on that Monday morning TV Guide…
Blanche Holstein:
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
Jamie, Bronn and Blackfish at Riverrun!
Maybe he’ll show his scars to prove that he’s fulfilled his oath
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in show that is an awesome way for that little battle in the north to play out , lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Yes. Perfect. And I disagree that she had a choice – Littlefinger has her out in the middle of nowhere, giving her this ‘choice’ when she knows she has no place else to go. I’d give her a break, tho understand that the Northmen probably won’t.
Hee, yeah Jamie Lannister would certainly help, you are sweet. Thanks for the good wishes 🙂
viki: It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
That was my first thought too! I really wish they would have put her in his quilted vest as a nod to him and a gift for those who pay attention.
I wonder if Arya gets to see Jaqen one last time. I think she knows she can’t risk it but that would be a sad end to their relationship. I am hoping for some kind of twist to this story before Arya grabs her water jet pack and heads back to Westeros. She honestly could be there by episode 8 at this rate.
I thought Theon tricked the Ironborn into handing DM over to the Boltons, who promptly slaughtered them…
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book hinted ? because i had my own thoughts that Sam was gonna run into him when he takes a ship from where he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel = VS), so sails around to KL for wild fire(this is if its needed ,might just be dragond glass and steel melted together) and to dragon stone (which is where Gendry was rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam ask gendry who he is where he came from , he replies was blacksmith (sam like oh i need one of them ) was heading to join nights watch but shit happen ,then was going to join brotherhood without banner but shit happend ,now he rowing on way to KL (or was there when sam was getting wildfire in fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well im nights watch and convince him that they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry wants most family feels, so they go and start making VS and dragonglass arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i haven’t slept for ages lol.
From the preview, it might not end good for Sansa… she did have a choice in marrying Ramsay. She could have gone to the Northern houses instead and rally them, like she’s doing right now. Someone might point that out to her. Most of the Northern houses have lost many of their families/friends in Red Wedding… so her marrying into the Bolton traitors who were backed by the equally hated Lannisters will reduce her significance as the one with the Stark name, in the eyes of the Northerners. Although the bastard, Jon has more chance of getting support because he’s a leader and a war veteran. After all in medieval world, many respects strength.
I can see Rickon as the one they’ll rally for, and support Jon’s leadership in the battlefield. Sansa will be seen as ‘damaged goods’, which will possibly lead her to go back to Littlefinger. It sucks, which might end up getting true.
In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her? NED told Sansa about the north’s loyalty to the Starks (episode 5). What about always needing a Stark in Winterfell? Were Ned, Tywin, Roose and everybody else wrong about the north’s devotion to the Starks? Which ultimately should overcome any misgivings the houses might have towards Sansa and Jon. Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
If the show goes that route, it feels like they are going back on an important Stark quality they have set up for many seasons.
Darren Prebble:
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in showthat is an awesome way for that little battle in the northto play out, lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Hi there! Thanks for the reply. Tbh, this was one of those Stairway to Heaven moments (although not anywhere near as good lets face it lol) where it just wrote itself and just flowed as I was typing! I have not read the books but plan to after the series is over. I want to experience this ride and then dig deeper with the back stories of the books.
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
No, I do not think this is plausible, because Arya-Face Waif does afterwards, it would not be things the real Arya would do. Also, how would this work as a book POV, where we can read the main characters’ thoughts?
I will be interested to see how Arya defeats the Waif, given that the Waif clearly out-classes her in any type of normal combat and anything related to Arya’s training by the faceless men. Needle would be insufficient, because the Waif would not assume Arya was incapable of arming herself…indeed, the Waif would assume the opposite.
Arya needs an ace-up-the-sleeve to win such a fight, and while the books have hinted at one
(warging)
the show has not. It is not impossible that the show will do that even without the setup (indeed, that is my preference) but we will see. There has to be a logic behind how Arya can suddenly defeat someone who just days before totally p’owned her, and I am not seeing a lot of other great options. Hopefully it does not involve outside help. That would dramatically weaken her arc. She’s gotta earn this one on her own.
Darren Prebble:
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book
hinted ? because i had my own
thoughts that Sam was gonna run into
him when he takes a ship from where
he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel
= VS), so sails around to KL for wild
fire(this is if its needed ,might just be
dragond glass and steel melted
together) and to dragon stone (which is
where Gendrywas rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in
making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam
ask gendry who he is where he came
from , he replies was blacksmith (sam
like oh i need one ofthem ) was heading
to join nights watch but shit happen
,then was going to join brotherhood
without banner but shit happend ,now
he rowing on way to KL (or was there
when sam was getting wildfire in
fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well
im nights watch and convince him that
they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry
wants mostfamily feels, so they go and
start making VS and dragonglass
arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i
haven’t slept for ages lol.
Nope. I have not read the books. And like you I thought something like u described here. But then I thought more likely he will meet Tyrion at some point who knows who he his if I’m not mistaken, though correct me if I’m wrong, and learns of his skill and trade. Knowing of the battle that is coming and thru assistance of kynvara (spelling) they enlist his skills. That’s how he gets back to Westeros. I remember an interview from the writers that said the battle while require everyone to come together to fight the real threat. Where as I see Sam knowing what a VS sword can do, I’m not sure if he and Gendry cross paths. More like the more people in different paths knowing what VS can do, the better. Now, they could entirely meet at some point and Gendry could rework Heartsbane into smaller weapons, mirroring what Tywin did. Hmm that works too. The beauty of these kinds of discussion is they can evolve from the original theory. I love that!!
Phoenix_from_Ice: In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
he both has an affection for Stark girls and was there when LF betrayed Ned Stark
.
Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
the Hound
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
i think she will she Jaqen again . she will kill that chick after her give face to house black and white Jaqen will be happy and then tell her that he was told in the past to find her and train her by bran visiting the past which turns out why Jaqen a man with many face get caught in first place(bran prob tells him of her destiny and that if he helps her she will save him , which is true but its going to get her that put a man life in position needing to be saved lol), was on purpose to meet arya, his first test for her was would she help/give a stranger water if ask nice( save a stranger because there good) she was going to but other fucker didn’t ask nice demanding beer. Jaqen was happy with outcome even tho he got no water, this test is done again at the end of her training to see if she will still use what she learn for good , in refusing to kills some nice actor. death does not come for the wicked and leave the good , death wants his faces one way or another, another face must be added arya gonna be stealing good lives/faces from death and replacing there spot with wicked lives/faces. this is how she offers the names of her list to the many face god ,save someone good make bad guy take place , like what happen at start saves/stole 3 lives and replaces them jaqen help her with that .
aabe: The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
Have they ever done two episodes in a row without Dinklage?
Greyjoy Infrastructure: I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
There was a casting call for a character where the description sounded suspiciously like Lord Manderly.
Chad Brick: I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
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Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
Oh is the
Hound’s return
for real? That would be awesome then. Although I don’t think Littlefinger’s gonna die this season, in the next one most likely he will. Sansa must reconnect first with her cousin Robin and shift his allegiance to her if they don’t want him avenge his favorite Uncle Petyr’s death.
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Shit has to go down in Harpy Town to make D’s arrival with a huge army significant and to help win over the slaves who are less than happy with her now, and to smash the Son’s of the Harpy once and for all.
Will he ever know. Frey ain’t long for this world me thinks.
i don’t think that tyrion ever did meet gendry , unless u meaning he meets and hear he story over there at same time he hires him to make them like u said. and i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it . i think from tyrion point of view if he gets a blacksmith it would just be for normal swords for dany army to attack men holding the throne. noone but sam and the nights watch know about VS real use is for ww . rest world don’t believe in grumpkins and what not. as onion knight tells gendry he be safe in kinglanding kings guard didn’t know what he look like , only the redwomen new what he look like . so i don’t see why he would go all the way over seas anywhere in westeros be fine just not near stannis and red women area. unlike the imp who everyone new his face and name so he had to go accross the seas bit hard for him to take a new name but gendry golden for just new name , sorry for all things that make this hard to read (for the writting is dark and full or errors lol )
The Glovers don’t technically hold a Lordship, am I right? So is the correct title Master Glover? Anyway, Robett looks like he’s going to be a real jerk about things. Could be ’cause Sansa married a Bolton, and Jon is seen as an Oathbreaker and Wildling lover. Maybe he’s having a FML moment. He did lose his brother at the Red Wedding (on the show I assume), and just took back Deepwood Motte from the Greyjoys.
Darren Prebble: i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it .
Tyrion was more contemplative of Mormant’s note than others, but we should not expect that he believes that White Walkers exist. To put it in modern terms, it is like two people hearing that there are lots of UFO sightings in an area. The Pycelle equivalent just dismisses it as too many people drinking, smoking or something-elsing too much. The Tyrion equivalent does think some odd is happening: but he/she think that it’s some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, or perhaps a nearby military base testing something new and not terribly secretly. Neither of them think “It’s aliens!” because that is absurd. As Samwell’s little brother said: “There’s no such thing.” Still, that does not mean that the Wildlings are not up to something nasty.
Karen: What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
is that speculation or a hint for something you know for certain? No need to know specifics, my mind is already going back to the message she wrote to Stannis and making its own conclusions.
How many Broken Men are there and what does this episode intend to say about what a broken man might still achieve? Or if achievement is even the issue. Anybody have any ideas what the theme will be built into?
Bran, Theon, the Hound, Frankenmonster, Benjen, …
I might have added Tyrion and Varys, but both of them seem to have overcome their injuries and mental damage and seem to be functioning as whole humans. Yet, they have been profoundly damaged in the past, so would probably qualify. Maybe to show that broken men can still find worth in the eyes of the world and in their own eyes. I’m just thinking off the top of my head now. Can’t wait until Sunday
Mrs. Podrick Payne: I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her?
That was before the Wildlings invaded. That is a major emergency for the Northerners, as Wildling raiding parties are enough to keep major stretches of the North uninhabitable. Now thousands of them are in Westeros. (We know that the number able to fight is low and that they are in bad shape: but they would assume that all of the Wildlings present are there to raid, and the number of Wildlings south of the Wall would grow with every retelling.)
Mrs. Podrick Payne: Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
The lords of the Northern houses also have sworn oaths to protect their vassals, their peasants and their towns. Moreover, the Starks are sworn to help them do so: a vow that the Starks are not fulfilling very well owing to their destruction! So, from their point of view, they have a choice: they can fulfill one set of oaths and possible survive, or another set of oaths and almost certainly perish.
Remember, the other Northern houses do not exist to prop up the Starks. They exist to perpetuate themselves. For a long while, being the Starks’ liegemen helped that. Now, it not only is not helping, but it might be hindering. We should look at this not as “loyal=good, disloyal=bad”: but instead recognize that the Northerners are going to be stuck between enemies, and that their first obligations are to their peoples, not to the Starks.
Nadia: The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Well, those who do go up against the Boltons basically are revolting against Kings Landing. Tommen (or perhaps Joffery), or people acting in one of their names, appoint the Wardens. The locals can like it or lump it. Here, some of them might be lumping it.
However, one thing to note is that it would be the Wardens job to organize the people in his ward given invasion of any sort or another. In the books, Ned is realizing that he probably is going to have to rally the North against Mance, as Ned strongly suspects that Mance is the cause of the problems behind the Wall and that Mance intends to invade Westeros. Technically, it’s now Ramsay’s job to rally the North against invasion.
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
Karen:
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Ramsey wrote to him that she was “poisoned by our enemies” 🙂
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die. The Faceless Men, have a strange sense pragmatism.
I don’t think they will go after Arya if she has killed the Waif, or rather I doubt they will pursue her within Westeros. I don’t think this is a final test for Arya, more likely it was a final test for the Waif, if gets killed by Arya then she just wasn’t good enough. Or it could be a test for both, for Arya it finally shows that she will never be No One, and for the Waif might also be a test of her skills attitude. One of them will die, it seems like it does not particularly matter to the Faceless men who will ultimately die.
Names could be removed from Arya’s list, it does not mean that she will personally get to kill those people. Most of the people who have been removed from her list wasn’t killed by her personally.
It will be good to have her back in Westeros.
I must admit that Northern storyline is frustrating me a little bit to some degree.
It is obvious that Sansa and Jon would have some points against them, but look at who they are going up against, the worst person/ bastard within Westeros.
He has already begun to flay minor Lords. There is no way that Ramsay would be of any help during the Winter.
Ramsay will do what he wants and he would kill whoever he wants. He already killed his father, stepmother and brother. If he can kill his own family like that, then you have no guarantees, and everyone in the North knows that he is is responsible for killing his family. On top of it the Boltons are also responsible for a lot of Northern deaths.
Really the coming winter alone should make them want to get rid of Ramsay, he would rather kill someone and feed that person to his dogs, then to feed someone.
The Bolton army was already very strong last season, did he really need the biggest allies in the north? A fight between those Bolton forces and the Wildlings could have been more than enough. I perfectly understand why the Karstark would join Ramsay, but the Umbers could just as easily have used Rickon to blackmail Jon against the wildlings, rather than going to Ramsay.
But all of these details doesn’t really matter that much, the problem is more about the scenario that they setting up and recreating here.
They are creating a very regular battle, something that they have done before something that they have actually with done every big battle so far.
One force struggles and almost loses, and then a third party comes to the rescue. The Starks will struggle and they will almost be completely lost until the Vale arrives to save the day.
It has already been established that Southern armies tends to suffer in the North during winter time, if the Vale arrived refreshed at this battle it will be a bit of a contradiction. They are also not really supposed to just get past Moat Caillin.
There is obviously some justifiable question marks against Jon and Sansa, but the North don’t really have any realistic reason to support Ramsay before the Starks. Fear is a good motivator against Ramsay but ultimately he is just too unstable. There is nothing to indicate that Ramsay wouldn’t just torture and kill them off at some stage.
They may not believe that Jon was resurrected, but he could still show them his wounds and tell them about the assassination attempt. Jon also has the letter of Ramsay as proof of his intentions. Even if Jon was still in the Nights Watch it would not be too strange for him to go around within the North and try to enlist some support against Ramsay’s threats.
Jon and the leaders of the Nights Watch before him also sent out many letters asking for support against the Wildings. No one in the North tried to help or offer any support, thus Jon dealt with the Wildlings with the tools that was available to him at the time. They know perfectly well that Jon has asked for support.
It wouldn’t be easy for anyone to believe that the White Walkers are back, most people wouldn’t believe it. Most people also don’t believe in giants, they have Wun Wun. Even if the people still dont believe in the White Walkers after seeing Wun Wun, it might still give them a bit of pause. It shows that there at least might be some truth to some of these ancient stories.
Sansa could just claim that she was betrayed by Littlefinger and that he sold her to the Boltons.
They might have question marks against Jon and Sansa, but they also have some proof to support what they are saying.
The support between the different houses could be handled a bit more subtly. Right now it is all very straight forwardly, a strong unbeatable Bolton force, with the biggest houses in the North, against the delipidated Stark force, that includes Wildlings and a few people from some small houses.
While on the other hand it feels like they are trying to add almost too much intrigue in order to delay Cersei’s trial within Kings Landing. They are dragging out her big moment of vengeance until episode 10.
And then there is Jon, they haven’t done anything with his resurrection. They could just as well have let Jon receive Ramsay’s letter and he could have left the Night Watch, by his own choice without being killed. That would actually/ have resulted in more character development then having him killed off and be brought back from the dead. His resurrection isn’t even giving him the support of the Wildlings. It sometimes just seems like the Starks have to work to hard for any support, it becomes a bit repetitive.
He is suppose to have a big story this season, but he has barely spoken a few words. Which might imply that they are treating his season in a similar fashion to season 4. He did not do much until the Battle of the Wall. We will again likely see more of action Jon then anything else. It was great to finally have a Stark reunion, but I am not sure that they the time or the material to develop both Sansa and Jon at the same time. Perhaps it would have better if they had kept their stories separately.
But all of this properly sounds a lot more critical than I really meant to imply. I also know that you sometimes need a bit of patience in this show. It is really difficult for them to move forward with all of these different plot lines.
I do hope that this episode will show some of the interesting dynamics that is at play in the North.
Luka Nieto:
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
Watch Black Death, he’s pretty grim in that. It’s got Sean bean in it too!
It wasn’t really nonsense though. The debate wasn’t purely speculative but fueled by an interview Sophie gave and a line by one of the D’s from “inside the episode.”
Boudica:
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die.
That would make little sense from a storytelling pov.
The faceless are supposed to be the most sought after Assassins in asoiaf. How would the death of Arya/the Waif instead of Lady Crane satisfy the person who has paid the faceless for their service?
Unless there was never a contract and Jaqen made it all up as a test for Arya.
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
We have never been told why Ser Joer Mormont joined the NW. Perhaps he knew something, and consequently his niece also knows it.
I agree with almost everything you say. Jon’s resurrection seems almost purposeless right now. It would have been better for Jon’s character development, if he had decided to leave the NW after getting the PL without all this death and resurrection drama, (or maybe just have him be wounded badly after his NW brothers attacked him) which only served to give him a convenient out from his vows and nothing else.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
I agree with you. A lot of the obstacles feel forced and Ramsay has been ridiculously overpowered. I’m pretty upset as well with how they handled Jon’s post-resurrection arc so far. I’m hoping Jon gets something to do besides swing a sword in the coming episodes. Maybe the possible arrival of Bran will give Jon more character development (but that won’t happen this season for sure). I’m pretty annoyed LF is being shoved into this storyline too.
pras:
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
The picture of Jansavos shows Jon in the middle and he seems like the one talking. Let’s hope he’s being presented as the leader/general of this campaign and that he’d have some compelling things to say.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
Funny, I was busy at work and didn’t see these until this morning and what was the first thing I said? BRONN!!!! Pics are amazing and I’m soooooooo hyped too:)
I was always under the impression he will be revived because he’s one of those 3 prophetical icons , not just simply as a means to get out of the NW.? So either the show is going a different route so as not to spoil things for Martin’s readers, prophecy is not real and are simply exaggerated stories handed down through many generations (I think GRRM alluded to this being the case?) or we’re going to have watered down Jon up until the very last season when voila his sword lights up in glorious flames. I feel like such a nerd wanting that to happen. Actually I don’t even know if I still want it to happen. Just when I first started watching and then read about it I thought it would be cool to see later on, from a character building POV, not just for the visuals, if that makes any sense.
Jon/sansa/fqvos is interesting
Would imagine different ones would take the lead with different Lords, except Mel perhapd but i reckon she comes to the fore as any Targ ancestry of Jon comes to fore
And Tormund with Wildlings
All with awkwatrd angles, eg Jon as yo whether he’s a Watch deserter, Davos as to him serving Stannis.and being a Southron and Sansa as to being Sansa Lannister or Sansa/Lady Bolton given er, her husband is now Lord Bolton and Lannister/Baratheon Warden of the North…
Mel is missing in the preview and the pictures. I wonder if she’s still with Jansavos. She’d become so meek and melancholic and understandably so, given her tragic mistakes with Stannis. She and Jon need to form a support group soon!
Demon Monkey: I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Who else could it be? ?
I too am surprised at how little focus there has been on Jon up to now but Kit has said that a) he was on set for this season more than any other cast member and b) there is one episode which is basically Jon’s story.
Therefore what with the battle in Ep9 and probably Ep10 being his story, (which are also very long episodes) plus he’s reappearing in Ep7, it seems that the lack of Jon is about to change.
Sam: I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
What I would like to see – LF thinks he has successfully divided Jon and Sansa, and that Sansa will see him as the savior after the battle, only to be faced with a
united Jon and Sansa in the Winterfell Godswood. (The shot in the trailer where he looks like he has seen a ghost) and he realizes that whatever plans he had for Sansa and the North have failed miserably. But this is GOT, so probably exactly the opposite happens 🙂
The way the show has presented the prophecies makes me think we should not take any of them very seriously. So no idea if we will see any flaming swords 🙂
Regarding Jon yes, he will be important in the end game along with Dany and Bran.
i don’t think you read what i wrote . or more likely u didn’t get that what i wrote was , me saying/replying why he wouldn’t of known about the need to have VS swords , what u should of done was send what u wrote to the guy i was replying to , as what u say is backing up what i said to other guy, why Tyrion wouldn’t of known that he going to need to have VSswords because he doesn’t understand the treat that the ww pose , which is what the other guys said he gets gendry to make VSsword for danny , when i think it more likely it be making for night warth because they know ww threat and know that VS kill ww so would have purpose to make them ,as tyrion purpose only calls for normal sword .so he would just get made normal ,no reason he would pay exstreame/prob work out like 30 times price of normal sword for 1 vs sword (depending on price to get material needed or time ot craft ) just so army can look good with vs swords . i hope this comes accross as nice .
I read your comments just for the tech lessons you give each week… lmao… ? JK…
Sorry. It’s a hard habit to break. #chicago But searching for your name is quite useful for finding where you left off reading, too.
for me (keeping my hope up little longer) i think the broken man going to be about Hodor. we only lost him 2 episodes ago and the last one follows right after the one before it . and we learn that u can save a man /benjen from death after being killed and mid of being turned, this has all happen in the same day as hodor death scene (going by fact MEERA wouldn’t of been able to drag him for that long so must happen straight after). so i think bran know knowing this way to save and thinking of hodor going out same way, tries and succeeds in making warg contact with hodor almost dead and he puls out dragon glass he made hodor take from Sam at the wall . also for fact that raven sent for him .guessing raven did indeed know what would happen to hodor , this prob also accounts for the all of a sudden appearance of his uncle , just like the sudden appearance of the dead army . both just happen but were set in motion a while ago.
i think because that we are past the point in where bran has his powers so that from now on the good people will not die(without it being a hero sacrifice) , its all being turned around to make the ending that bran will be happy with( men winning over the dead). time for the bad to lose and the good to win, unlike before where it was good lost bad win .
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
I see where Simon is coming from. There is a moment near the end of the play, where PlayCersei is truly distraught, that Arya abruptly stops laughing and looks truly serious, contemplative, almost empathetic. When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position and doing such an excellent job of it that she impresses the professional actress: “Do you like pretending to be other people?”
But I’m not certain I’d call it empathy. I’m thinking that, being a Faceless Man in Training, Arya has not truly learned to become No One, but she has learned more about becoming Any One. You must understand who you want to become: you think like them, you dress like them, you walk and talk like them #baloo, you act like them, and you feel like them. Even if you don’t take their face, becoming your enemy and understanding your enemy is a useful tool in defeating your enemy #ender.
Arya does seem to be on an arc toward becoming less vengeful, as well. She’s empathasized with the Hound, at the very least. Her list is shorter. She’s not quite done with vengeance yet, and she’ll likely put her newly acquired assassin skills to good use before she is, but evidence of such an arc exists.
hmm, I think the resurrection will also come in to play with Melly and Jon being the prince who was promised… so going forward with the war against the long night, there will be focus on jon being the one to beat them.
well now that he has gotten the king to say to everyone they are equal (twin pillars of the world) he will turn to bring king down leaving just 1 pillar the faith .by proving Cersei guilty in lose of trail by combat , is also way gods saying the lies about her si/ kids are true which is why god let cersei die.
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship. 🙂
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
that the Valyrian word for Prince can also mean Princess for most of their vocabulaty was gender neutral
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
Get outta here with this mess. If (not sure how he hasn’t yet) Walder found out his grandson (potential heir to WF) was eaten by dogs he’d NEVER EVER forget it. Robb broke a betrothal and got his mom, wife, unborn child and himself killed. Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Terribly sorry i was meant as a reply to your comment about Jon .
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
that the Valyrian word for Prince can also mean Princess for most of their vocabulaty was gender neutral
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
Haha you’re funny 🙂 The brief visual that popped into my head with the word threesome and these character, not a pleasant one lol
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
Tycho Nestoris: Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individuals in his family. Yes, “Frey” is important to him: but not any one of them in particular.
Myrmidon: I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW.
The question is: what is Jon’s reaction going to be when he learns the “why” of the Walkers? They are not some arbitrary “evil”: they are basically formers slaves who rose against their masters and their masters’ enemies. Jon showed unusual willingness to put himself in his enemies shoes with the Wildlings: that is going to be important.
Of course, the character for whom this will be most important is Daeny. The Walkers biggest analog are the Unsullied. And Daeny has just as much of a “Saving People Thing” as Jon does.
Incidentally, it is not that
the Valyrian word for Prince and Princess are the same: it’s that dragons are hermaphroditic, and thus applying the word to figurative dragons should encompass both men and women.
Or at least that is how I read it!
Sue the Fury: When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship.
Some day, someone should do a study on the evolution of net-speak.
Sam: He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded.
Indeed! That is a really good point. We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past. Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters. “I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list. (One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy. They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires. All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
Ménage à trois. Cool. And neither Jon nor Davos are Sansa’s two living husbands. She’s got a fully fledged harem. Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
Dee: I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
The odd thing is that if Jon’s suspected parentage had been known (assuming that most of us are correct, anyway), then nobody would think twice about the two of them marrying in that world. Of course, they also would not have been raised as siblings.
Dee: no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
We also have to learn just what happened to the first prince to understand what the full implications of this are. Neither books nor show has been very forthcoming about that. (Even the book provides only two different vague summaries, with some important differences but more important commonalities.)
But, I tend to agree: the Prince will be a duality or a trinity. Babylon 5 did something like this but over time: there was The One: but the One that Was, the One that Is, and that One that Will Be. (B5 also was written by an atheist raised by Catholics: funny how this sort of thing happens!)
I agree with that but I do believe that there won’t be time for that in this season, given how much packed his storyline is with him and Sansa reclaiming the north. Maybe next season then?
Like I said yesterday, I would take any thirdhand report like this with a huge grain of salt. People have a way of exaggerating or misunderstanding what GRRM says, and I don’t consider this source valid enough to report on, frankly.
Chad Brick: That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
D&D have said it. Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over. It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
Ginevra: Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
Clearly we need to start “shipping” Sansa and Daeny. Clearly, men just don’t do enough for them!
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individual
True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
Dee: I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
Some people ship Jon and Sansa, I don’t really care since I’ve seen it all in fandom, and well, we watch a show where a sibling couple is canon. But yeah, skip the combined names if you’re not talking about shipping!
Ginevra: It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
But… but.. those were the two most important pages in the umpteen thousand pages of the books so far!
😀
At any rate, if LSH ever was going to appear, then it would have been this season. That has not happened. My suspicion is that LSH simply will never be that important in the tale: at most, she’ll be a plot device that can be (and possibly already has been) easily replaced.
I don’t think we will see that this season either, though I was hopping for another conversation regarding his resurrection , because its quite a big thing.
Let’s not forget, he is hwe next target in the books. And if she doesn’t get him, its Podrick and Brienne. That’s damn important. People act like she was just killing villagers and shit.
Tycho Nestoris: True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
No, he would not have been a Frey claim. In this world, he is a Bolton, and no Freys would be put in line for inheriting Winterfell in anyway – if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys. All this would possibly do is provide cousins who ruled both Winterfell and Riverrun, which often made for easier alliances. And, of course, given that Ramsay was legitimized, Walder’s grandson(s) would be in line behind Ramsay and his sons.
At any rate, we also have to keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories. They would hear the one that Ramsay put out of course. They would hear other, darker stories of course: but in this world, there would always be other, darker stories around any such death. Moreover, as there is no reason why anyone in the south would know what a psycho Ramsay is, Walder would not have any prior evidence for this. (Yes, Show!Walder knows that Ramsay torched Winterfell: but one would not extrapolate going Carthage on an enemy with later feeding his step-mother and half-brother to the dogs; after all, Tywin Lannister would have done the former without surprising anyone, but it would have shocked people if he had harmed a true-born Lannister half-brother.)
My other bet is that Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this! Yeah, that’s a shocker….. 😀
We could just call them the “I’ve Slept With Enemies” (ISWE) alliance. That would be in contrast to the “We Hate Each Other” alliance in Kings Landing, or the “Have Dragons Will Return” alliance in Essos.
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
I definitely think it will be a collective effort
I’m with Mel on this one: Jon is TPTWP and AAR. And I’m not alone in that theory. Based on the poll BBF did this summer, 59.3% of us thought Jon was AAR:
3. Who is Azor Ahai Reborn?
The identity of Azor Ahai brought out a lot of answers. Jon Snow won a plurality or outright majority of the votes in each community, but many different answers were given. Regardless, there’s a degree of variance among communities for this answer with some interesting results!
… Watchers on the Wall
Stannis Baratheon: 19 (0.6%) Jon Snow: 1992 (59.3%)
Daenerys Targaryen: 330 (9.8%)
Victarion Greyjoy: 4 (0.1%)
Aegon VI Targaryen: 4 (0.1%)
Rhaegar Targaryen: 11 (0.3%)
Jaime Lannister: 38 (1.1%)
Davos Seaworth: 10 (0.3%)
Jorah Mormont: 23 (0.7%)
Many different characters will be Azor Ahai Reborn or reflect Azor Ahai’s legendary characteristics: 217 (6.5%)
There is no Azor Ahai Reborn:106 (3.2%)
Don’t Know/No Opinion: 106 (3.2%)
Other: 36 (1.1%)
Even though, as BBF says, Jon won a plurality on every site, he didn’t win a majority on every site, with only 38.9% of Westeros.org believing Jon is AAR. The other sites were within 3% of exactly half believing Jon was AAR.
Indeed!That is a really good point.We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past.Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters.“I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list.(One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy.They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires.All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
So much explaining to do! I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
Sue the Fury:
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship.
Oh no. I used Jansavos mainly because I was lazy to type all their names. Not proud to say that. From now on I’ll just use Team Stark to refer to them. 🙂
There is always a fine-line to walk here. In particular, cinema/TV works by the rule “show, don’t tell.” Now, they do have a device for showing what really happened. However, what is almost as important here is what people believe happened. And that can be done only with speaking.
I suppose that what they can do is just have Bran see it, and then show us that Jon, Daeny, etc., know it after being with Bran. That will tell the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) that the conversations happened without boring the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) with the actual conversation.
Still, at some point, the main characters themselves have to reach some “put themselves in the grand scheme of things” moment where their own life-histories make it all work for them. At least I hope so: there is always the chance that this could degenerate into a typical epic fantasy where it’s a plot moment, not a character moment that makes all the difference.
Sam: I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
My bet is that it is going to take wights, to be honest. Right now, I think that the challenge is: convince Northerners that Boltons are bigger enemies than are Wildlings. And that would be really tough: yes, the Boltons have bad recent history, but they have co-existed with Boltons for centuries, whereas they never have co-existed with Wildlings, and Wildlings make Boltons look quite tame.
But as for the White Walker stories, well: Northerners might believe that they once existed (unlike southerners): but actually seeing wights would be a shocking “good grief: the old stories really are true!” moment for them, sort of like actually finding Excalibur would be for us. The one realistically possible exception to this is House Mormont: because the Old Bear was from that House. (That house has one other big plus for Team I Sleep with Enemies: Bear Island rarely if ever has Wildling problems, being instead subject to Iron Born problems.)
(I don’t want that character in the show – so hope she doesn’t appear)
Yes, you are correct. If that were the only evidence, we wouldn’t know. But Jon was dead for 1 entire episode. Catelyn has been dead for 27 full episodes. She was only alive for 29 full episodes, and she only appeared in 25 episodes. She’s spent three years lying in a river. There would be no flesh left.
Hm but in reality is it? Or do we as an audience deem it so for Jon is portrayed as a hero in this tale? I mean Beric Dondarrion has been ressurected half a dozen times , shouldn;t he be deemed more important? If he wasn’t then why does he keep coming back,what’s so special about him? But we are not particularly fond of him , he is just a minor character whom we briefly met during the 3rd season whilst Jon is one of the main characters so we are bound to think that there’s something extraordinary about it . Mind you I wouldn;t be surprised if it was just an act to show off Rhillor’s power.
The real question is if Mel and Thoros can have such powers whilst being ordinary priests what can High Priesess like Kinvara do ,given the opportunity ;).
And regarding Jon, yes again, I agree with you. But The people surrounding Jon don’t know about Beric… so what I meant was it is a big thing to the people around him – or at least it should be. And yes Mel does know that Beric came back many times, but she DID say to Jon he was the prince who was promised. So, to her, it is also a big thing.
Mel has changed though, she is now just following Jon around, rather than tell him what to do. She learnt from her mistakes.
if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys.
Unless Sansa’s pregnant, then Ramsay is the last Bolton. Kill him and it’s fair game.
keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories.
I am not buying the different stories/whispers. Smalljon didn’t buy it. Why would Walder? Father, Mother and baby all die within a short time? Maybe one Walder’s sons buy but Walder has been billed as cunning and too clever. He’s paranoid too.
Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this
Kill them off before they ask too many questions (see Dorne for details).
That’s my rant for the day.
Jon Snow the prince that was promised? What has he got going in his story as evidence for this belief? Its Daenerys.
A passage from ‘A Feast for Crows’
‘On Braavos, it had seemed possible that Aemon might recover. Xhondo’s talk of dragons had almost seemed to restore the old man to himself. That night he ate every bite Sam put before him. “No one ever looked for a girl,” he said. “It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought… the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.’
Nope, both HBO’s viewers guide and the ASOIAF wiki describe her as a red priestess and tbh with you i do think that if she was a high priestess she wouldn’t just be roaming around alone, she would have minor priests or someone with her. Back in season 3 Thoros revealed that he was sent to Westeros in order to preach about the Lord of Light and convert nobles and commoners alike, maybe Mel was sent in a similar mission?
Mel was in such a horrid place after she found out that her interpretations of her visions were dead wrong so I do believe that she wants to believe in something to help her get through the day so Jon’s ressurection came in handy.
Now has she? Sure she is still under shock from what happened last season but hat didn’t stop her from trying to find another candidate for the “Chosen One” title so soon which makes me think that she has a few things left to learn. True she has taken the backseat for now but let’s wait and see what happens when she gains her confidence back.
That casting notice didn’t specify a Northern accent, which all the other casting notices for Northern lords have, so I don’t think that’s Glover (that part also shot over two weeks).
h haven’t read the books , after reading what u said , salt being tears, and adding smoke being smoke from a funeral fire a pyre is it called i think. Jon was born this way surrounded by tears of loss of mother and smoke from her pyre. also Tyrion was born this way ,death of mother for tears and smoke form pyre( atm there been no priestess help tyrion thinking he TPTWP yet but they do seem attracted to him maybe something to come ). it might all of been set up in the past to make it so the red women and priestess would look for TPTWP and in so get lead to help Jon in set up for things to come. and also help Danny get her setup for things to come . i don’t think we will ever see some godlike person , was just a big trick played to pull them into service . in the end i think it gonna be Jon leads with the north( and green dragon) Tyrion will lead lannister men i think thats the east (on a golden yellow dragon) and dany on her dragon leading the rest ,
the young actress goes to the house of black and white and is like why isn’t that target been killed yet ? Jaqen replies death is certain a time is not lol.
Well she is presented as the Flame Truth, the Light of Wisdom and the First Servant of the Lord of Light. So it definitely makes it sound as though she is the leader of the religion, if she is the First Servant, there can’t be another.
Plus she says she will summon her most eloquent priests, so clearly ordinary priests work under her. Melisandre doesn’t have anyone working under her, plus she’s all the way in Westeros, and has been there working alone for years. The High Priestess would probably be in Volantis most of the time, as that is where the main temple of the Lord of Light is.
And I guess someone has to be the leader right ?
But of course I could be mistaken, it’s just my interpretation 🙂
What Dany missing is vision, she has charizma for be a leader, but long-term vision and strategie … Nahh… What after she conquers the seven kingdoms? She can’t even have descendants as far as we know. She’ll take what it’s hers, for after her death, to give to someone else. For now she is the only knowing living Targaryan. She want to take Westeros to rule with no plan for after; Yes , maybe Jon is one of them but again it isn’t in her knowledge. But with the chaos in the Seven kingdoms and plus with the winter comming from the nord, she has still a part to play and becomes savior it’s just the perfect moment. I think she won’t rule, she’ll die during the battle with the Others, that goes well with what we saw on the show with her vision, she goes to King’s Landing (after Cersei burned it) then she’ll fight the Others ’till the nord and there she will ”rejoin” khal Drogo. She’ll be the conqueror but not the ruler. And as George R.R. Martin ispiration is real history than we can see clearly that she’s going to die. Veni vidi vici goes well with the caracter of Daenerys but as in real history no one who dreamt of ruling the whole world finished by doing it. So yes possibly she is Azor Ahai, the one who will save the world, but that it’ ll be it. She won’t be the queen who ll rule.. Better sweet end. Just my opinion, maybe i’m wrong . Sorry for the bad English , it’s not my tongue maternel.
I’m thinking that Robett Glover is bringing some bad news to the Starks. Maybe something went down at Castle Black. His face in the trailer looks more sad than “fuck your house I’m staying in mah motte.”
Thats kinda what i thought, Jaquen made up the contract. How could this b grade actress in a play afford the Faceless Men. But i also think its lame if Arya just kills the Waif and is set free. The FM dont seam like a group you can be brought into and just leave when you’ve had your run with it. She knows their secrets, she is a liability. I think her face will have to end up on the wall in the long run. Maybe Jaquen lets her complete her quest to take her out quietly in the end, once she has found peace.
It doesn’t specify that no, but I think there is a reasonable chance that it is him (not that it matters). We’ve only got four episodes left, and we definitely haven’t had a scene with the actor from the casting description yet. Some features (e.g. haggard) definitely fit, and I think McInnerny meets a lot of the other requirements too. Personally I think it is him, but as I said it doesn’t really matter either way (although if it isn’t him I guess we’ll have another great scene to look forward to later on in the season as it was described as the best remaining part ).
Wow, how did they get hold of them? I know for a fact that the guy who writes the reviews has connections in the US but even so it seems a bit weird that they would be the first to release them
Yeah I have no idea my boyfriend visits this site often and saw them a little while ago. Is this castle Riverrun? It looks glorious.
Are you Greek too, Myrmidon? 😀
Tycho Nestoris: I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
Please let it be the back of Jaime’s gold hand.
Still Jamie is back to being his old asshole season 1 self. A few punches to Walders face don`t amend for him going back to Cersei like a dog…
What they are doing to Jamies storyline arc… im hoping they kill him off this season before it gets worse. We know Freys and Lannisters will celebrate taking Riverun later in the show as seen in the trailers. Maybe Jamie dies there with his Frey friends….
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
Oh I see! Between us wouldn’t be surprised if Thodoris pulled some strings .
Could be Riverrun , the architecture is reminiscent of the buildings we briefly saw back in season 3.
Yep but I was raised in the States so I consider myself to be American as well!
As someone who hasn’t read the books, I have no idea why everybody keeps saying Jaime is Cersei’s lapdog or w/e.. Doesn’t seem like that to me at all.
Do i remember correctly from the books that Riverrun has the capability to flood the area around the castle in a defensive state so there is only one way in and out?
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zTPqaTBIVw
I think they had photos from NOVA(Is the channel who broadcast GOT in Greece) !!!! I love Oneman ,i always read there summaries from GOT !!!!
I just LOVE this shot of Riverrun, as impressive as I’d hoped. It certainly looks consistent with the S3 split second shot we got, as well as the book description! The set looked amazing too from the photos we saw, so I’m really looking forward to these scenes.
They went to a LOT of trouble building this set for what was apparently only a day and a half shoot, so I’m guessing this is gonna be a crucial scene in some way.
Can you blame me? Not only is it some amazing costume porn, it’s Nikolaj in all his glory. The most attractive man in Westeros, newly released from the Kingsguard and possibly looking for a woman.
Let’s hope he finds a tall, ugly one in blue armor who is already familiar with his sword 😉
Oh I see , makes sense since Theo also works as a freelancer there. Yep his reviews are pretty good, I always check them out every Tuesday although I must admit i donnot visit the website's other sections!
aww look at Jon and Arya connecting to each other through the same hairstyle.
I don’t know if you’ve read the books but the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin. Which means that yes, there will certain traits of how he was in S1 come to the fore again. His story with Brienne doesn’t mean he’s entirely different person. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t changed either. What I mean to say is: I don’t get what you’re complaining about.
Where’s Jon’s belt and sword? They’re missing
Arya looks like she is on a foreign market somewhere in Braavos, looking for the ride home….
Could that last shot be the Quiet Isle / the Saltpans? The figure in the foreground looks like a septa to me…
😀 That’s true for the most part, unfortunately none of my friends watches it 🙁
Well dunno about that but
I do believe we will get the Arya/Waif face off . Maybe she will depart for Westeros in 6.08?
Jaime looks hawwwt!
Arya and Jon sporting the same hairstyle, even though they are in different parts of the world, is cute.
What I wish to know is, would it kill them to release more than one pic of Jon for an episode!
If Jamie from the books Riverlands arc was about him becoming more like Tywin he would have stormed the castle and killed everyone inside “Rains of Castamere” style… Instead he bends over backvards trying not to break the oath he gave to Caitlyn and gets told by Gemma Lannister (married Frey) that Tyrion is more of Tywins son than he is.
At the end he solves the Blackwood siege peacefully and goes of with Brienne ALONE in the night to “save Sansa from the Hound”…
Agree about Blackfish. But Edmure may live. Jaime and Cersei has no love for Freys, so Jaime might let Edmure keep Riverrun, so long as the Tullys bend the knee to Iron Throne. Freys lost the castle once – if Jaime helps to win it back, he can argue that he will put whoever he wishes as the Lord of Riverrun. Book 4 spoilers:
In the show there is no Emmon Frey and aunt Genna to take Riverrun for Lannisters,
so Jaime does not care who gets Riverrun as long as they are obedient. Also, I think Edmure is not so disposable for the future story (unlike Barristan or Roose).
I am still holding out hope for Blackfish escaping the siege and joining Sansa (even if it’s after the battle for Winterfell).
Based on Tobias Menzies comment that he got called at the last minute and asked if he could fit them into his schedule, I wouldn’t hold my breath that he’s in the show much, at all.
I’m really hyped for Arya’s story. She really does look like Ned with that hair. I hope she kicks the Waif’s smug arse.
Kinvara (red priestess from episode 5) is the High Priestess of the Lord of Light. So it’s not Melisandre.
Kinvara is the High Priestess of the Red Temple of Volantis. We do not know if there are other High Priests or High Priestesses in the show. Benerro is, in the books, the High Priest of the Red Temple of Volantis, where Kinvara replaces Benerro in the show. This page, http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Kinvara, says that she’s only one of the high-ranking leaders of R’hllor, so there may be other High Priests/Priestesses. I do not believe Melisandre is one of them.
Kind of you to say. I never said that what he actually DID was what Tywin would’ve done, because it isn’t. You’re certainly right about that. But he is surely struggling with his role and with who he is. He wants to be more like Tywin on the one hand, but realises he can’t on the other. It’s not a black and white “let’s take this character from mindset A to mindset B” situation, as you suggest. He’s conflicted. In the show AND the books, and certainly in AFFC.
He’s saying that in order to force Edmure to surrender Riverrun. The point is Jaime could easily have just stormed the castle, but he goes to great pains to convince Edmure that surrendering peacefully is better. Obviously threats have to be made to achieve that end, whether Jaime would have followed through is another matter. In any case, Tywin wouldn’t have bothered with such negotiations, and would have simply retaken Riverrun by force.
RE Barristan is disposable, like stabbed in an alley by anonymous thugs disposable
*tears* damn dawg
Halfman:
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
It reminded me of that too! Different location, but as part of a whole scene perhaps? Getting close, anyway! 🙂
Bravos – 4 minutes
Kings landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Volantis ( greyjoys) – 4 minutes
Meribald and the hound arc- 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
Yes you’re absolutely right, he’s conflicted and it’s complex, which means your statement that “the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin” is a bit of an oversimplification, as that is clearly not “the entire point”, but merely one of several things going through Jaime’s head.
Ultimately, Jaime’s actions and decisions lead him away from being like Tywin, as you noted, and as Gemma Lannister points out. So if anything, the point of his arc is that he isn’t Tywin.
Dee:
Can we discuss Marg’s new CONSERVATIVE dress.
I actually like the dress. I love the color and texture, if the shape is somewhat lacking. I really like that pendant, too. But the true awesomeness is her tiara, which I may never have noticed before. The simple, delicate mixture of stag antlers and roses is perfection.
Could it possibly be Bronn ? Can’t imagine Jaime’s end would come this soon, or at the hands of the Blackfish.
HotPinkLipstick:
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face. (You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
As I didn’t post any spoilers, I’m going to say no. I asked a question. Can’t spoiler tag every time I ask a question or speculate on what might happen. I don’t have any more information than you.
You were reacting to an alleged spoiler with obvious comments about it, so yes you should have spoiler-tagged it. I’ve fixed it for you, please be more careful next time.
You should also be covering the book spoilers you’re posting.
Ginevra: Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face.(You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
Let’s not forget, he is hwe next target in the books. And if she doesn’t get him, its Podrick and Brienne. That’s damn important. People act like she was just killing villagers and shit.
I admit I would have liked to see Brienne’s story unfold a bit more like the books.
I thought the LSH introduction added a new dimension and, while I can see people viewing her as nothing more than a vengeful zombie, so much of it also revealed where Brienne’s loyalties lie.
I think it could play out similar, with Sansa filling in as the person who makes Brienne “choose”. I think we could see Jaime kill the Blackfish during the siege. Jaime cares about one thing – Cersei and her wants. He is to take back Riverrun and it doesn’t matter who is in his way or what diplomatic hat he tries to put on, he will do it for her. Brienne will be there and witness it. Now does she tell Sansa and, if so, couldn’t you just see Sansa calling for his head? So, the oath is in doubt and the vow of never making her (Brienne) do something that goes against her desire (paraphrasing here) would probably make Sansa lose her shit. Okay, Brienne, you don’t have to kill Jaime but you are now the enemy and enemies hang.
I could definitely see this as part of the cliffhanger.
It also sounds a shitload like fanfic but it has gone into original territory so anything is possible. 🙂
12 minutes doesn’t seem like enough for the north, which will have at least 3 scenes (house glover, bear island, and wildling camp). I imagine the bear island scene should take at least 6 minutes by itself, since we know several characters will be speaking.
Throwback picture just to remind everyone how old Bran is supposed to be:
Sorry Sue!
I should’ve definitely covered the LHS stuff but didn’t realize speculation should be too. Will be sure to in the future!
Does anybody else find it odd that there are two Freys in these scenes (and the introductory scene at the Twins last week)?
With the shows propensity to streamline and consolidate characters, I’m surprised they didn’t just reintroduce one, unless one of them meets a grisly fate soon 😉
I like that they kept the briefly glimpsed season three design for Riverrun.
That’s such an impressive shot. You can see they’re sieging the castle on all sides. Now I wanna see it in full HD.
Anyone spot Cersei and Olenna wearing darker clothes? I think Loras is the broken man and commits suicide in the next episode.
I think Dany will work out the only way to sort Meereen is to get everyone not with the Sons of the Harpy to evacuate and the dragons will raize it to the molten ground. Slavery over- Targaryen style.
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
Jaime will go rogue and switch sides. He has form.
JJ: What would you ultimately like for her? ST: I want her to get revenge. I want her to avenge her family’s death and everything. But then I kind of want her to die at the end because I want a big death scene. I want her to die and I want Littlefinger to end up on the throne. I don’t really care about anyone else.
“In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well”
So glad they are giving this episode to Cogman.
He is the master of adapting GRRMs best monologues.
The Broken Man Speech has the potential to be my favorite scene in the history of this show.
Bravos – 4 minutes
King’s landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Greyjoys – 4 minutes
Brienne – 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
51 minutes
I think is the right time we need.
Isn’t that way too much time for Riverrun? We’re getting it in episode 8 too. This episode may just include Jaime arriving in Riverrun, a talk with Bronn, the Freys and of course the parlay with the Blackfish. I’d be shocked if the scene is longer than 8 or so minutes. Also, the other storylines you listed could well use some of the time you allocated to Riverrun; in particular the North and Brienne.
D&D have said it.Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over.It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
While I do not dispute what you say, I think it must be tempered with the following:
1) D&D said Jon Snow was dead;
2) HBO said Jon Snow was dead; and
3) Kit Harrington said Jon Snow was dead and wasn’t coming back.
In fact, the purpose of those statements was to deceive fans about the truth to enhance the surprise. So pointing to those same sources as being authoritative on the issue lacks credibility when they have all demonstrated a willingness to actively lie and mislead the audience for a narrative purpose.
If may well be true — and probably is — that Stoneheart is not making an appearance this year or at all. I grant you that, but appeals to higher authority in this specific case are unconvincing.
In any event, I cannot imagine how LS tries to hang Brienne when Brienne kept her oath and she now serves Sansa who is in the North among Stark Bannermen.
I suppose LS could just be a vengeful bitch and go off on Brienne anyway, but it lacks any power to accuse Brienne of Oathbreaking when she is actually there at Sansa’s behest. So that part of the tale would have to be changed.
Do people think we will be meeting Ian McShane’s character @ Quiet Isle, or… where? Near Riverrun?
Great job on the consistently outstanding visuals!
The Creative Arts Emmy Nominations are coming soon, lets hope GoT gets some love – and Ramin Djawadi!!!
Don’t forget the return of Volantis this week with Theon/Yara.
Predictions –
Jaime and Bronn arrive at Riverrun and Jaime immediately falls out with the Freys after seeing their treatment of Edmure (they’ve got him on a platform and are threatening to cut his throat). Jaime clouts Black Walder with his golden hand. Jaime then goes and speaks with the Blackfish by isn’t able to come to any terms with him.
Arya will be pursued by the Waif in a crazy knife fight all across Braavos.
Maybe. The problem is they almost never actually manage to show all the locations that do appear in the episode, because they always show KL and Winterfell, even when those locations aren’t featured in the episode, as they do for the Wall, and they very frequently show Braavos and/or Meereen, even when those locations don’t appear (but not all the time).
So honestly their thing about using the credits to show which locations will be appearing in the episode hasn’t always really worked out super well if you ask me.
Jack Bauer 24:
Do you think we’ll see Riverrun in the opening credits this week?
I was just wondering that! Hope so…when watching last Sunday I got a little sad thinking that we may not have many new locations on there anymore (I’ll hate to lose Braavos!). But there are a couple of possibilities.
The only new location on the map we’ll see this year will be Oldtown, I think. They’re not gonna skip a chance to do that one. They might add Highgarden and Casterly Rock in the future, depending on the story, but that’s about it.
Fun fact: So far they’ve done 19 (!!) locations: 12 in Westeros and 7 in Essos. Really cool.
Good catch. I can’t believe the Sue correctly based that it was Robett Glover based only on the “haggard” description being also used for the character in ADWD. Wow.
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… 🙂
I’m pretty surprised that there’s no pics of Tyrion yet. Maybe Dany will arrive in Meereen on Drogon’s back in the next episode and they are withholding it. The rest of the Khalasar could arrive later when the city is in a complete caos.
While I must admit, Ser Arthur Dayne will forever be first in my heart, Jaime does look…*sigh*…
So. Damn. Good.
It could also go like this:
King’s Landing 8 mins.
Riverrun and the Riverlands 13 mins.
Braavos 3 mins.
Volantis 5 mins.
The North 18 mins.
Both credits 4 mins.
I don’t think 13 min is enough for everything in the Riverlands.
18 seems a bit much for the North, and 3 not enough for Braavos.
In any case the episode will be packed. It’s only 51 minutes too, so I don’t really know why they didn’t give themselves more time for these stories. Seems like they try to fit in a lot in very little time, instead of simply using the 60 minutes that their slot affords them.
burrmall
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
I thought that as soon as I saw her lighting the candle while holding needle..
Wow. Not surprised by most of it. I wonder if her wish for LF on the IT was the cherry on the revenge sundae.
Chad Brick: That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
It’s a weird spot to be in. If he says “I can’t comment on that” it reads like he’s saying she is in the show and he just can’t say.
As much as I would love for her to return to the show and be impactful on the story, the likelihood is that it won’t happen. I feel like Hibberd spoiled it years ago with his dumb article that went up like 10 minutes after the season 4 finale trying to explain why no LSH is a good thing. He stated in the article that D&D were not willing to go on record about it which made me think that they did say something to him off the record. Now that was 2 years ago and who knows what might have changed since then but Michelle Fairley was also recently cast in some Starz show as well.
If I were to shake the magic 8 ball on this one, I think it would say “All signs point to NO,” but there’s 4 more episodes of “hope” and I would be very happy to be wrong. If they give me Nymeria and her pack, I will be satisfied 🙂
You don’t read the books right? Out of curiousity, why the strong reaction to a character or plotline you didn’t even read about? Is it just because many people on this site dislike it? Is it a Jon Snow thing? It’s super weird to me that someone would be that vehement about something they’re only vaguely familiar with.
I let go of LSH after season 4.
I would be insanely hyped to see her, but I wouldn’t be upset if she never showed up.
The pieces are somewhat coming together… Mostly the report of Thoros filming a hanging scene… but…
I still truly believe she is cut… What purpose would she serve this close to the end game… The moment has passed
If Dany is set to sail for Westeros by the end of the season then she must arrive at Meereen in 6.07 ,she must solve the Meerenese knot as soon as possible. Then perhaps meet with the Greyjoys ,strike a deal with them and perhaps send Varys on a mission to Dorne to negotiate with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for a landing site for her armies.
Why was I under the impression that there was a High Priest and not a High Priestess? Didn’t Thoros or Melissandre mention something like that back in season 3 (or was it 2)?
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… ?
Yeah I lived in Orléans (just beautiful) and there are so many gorgeous chateaux there such as Chambord, Sully sur Loire and Anjou as well as amazing scenery and wine too. Funnily, I’m a Stewart and it’s where Mary Queen of Scots lived when she was married to the Dauphin of France and changed the goddamn spelling of the name to Stuart to appease the French! 🙂
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
Normally, being raised as siblings and being cousins would be uber-creepy of the likes of step-siblings Boone and Shannon on Lost. But this is Game of Thrones, after all. Even so, I do not see Jon and Sansa as kindred spirits. If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
Girl, you really put some serious work in this site.
For a moment I thought the sword of Lothar Frey was actually Robb’s. From this angle it looked similar. It would have been nice detail, in my opinion.
I can’t wait to see Blackfish in his glory !
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
Left (open) handed? I think he goes with the golden back hand. Will vegas will take prop bets on this?
I hope Jaime starts low and slow (even gets some knee bend) then cracks rivers right beneath the eye and catches the bridge of the nose on the follow through.
You should decide for yourself if the character is pointless. Don’t base it on the opinions of others. If you only care about WW though then a lot of characters may be pointless to you.
Actually we’ve seen that he loves Arya like a sister, he’s never marrying her. Sansa feels like a possibility but it might just because kit and Sophie have an unexpected chemistry, sharing the scream for the first time as adults
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
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BRONN
OMG I am sooooooo hyped.
Hodor
BENJEN!
Dee,
I love it. After last week, HBO is like, “fukit, giv’em the good stuff.”
Edit: not complaining about last week but these pics go to eleven.
Deepwood Motte!
Jaime ”FOOKIN” Lannister
Waited the whole day for those!
Tycho Nestoris,
hahaha
I KNOW
these pics are juicy!!!!!!!
JON FOOKING SNOW
that’s right Jon. TELL EM
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
Woah. #mindblown
Someone Somewhere,
I literally see this everywhere and don’t know what it means except for being the seat of House Glover xD is it a book thing ?
Robert Voorhees #gethype
Omg I’m so exited!Why isn’t sunday here already?This has the potential to be one of the best episodes ever.Every single storyline looks amazing.One thing though where did they leave melisandre she seems mia?
Robett Glover eh? Nice. DEEPWOOD MOTTE
These pics have me very much looking forward to Sunday!
It’s eerie to see Septa Unella chaperoning Margaery. I wonder what Olenna will make of her presence…
Can’t wait!
BLACKFISH IS BACK BITCHES!!!
Also the outfit Arya’s wearing is the
Arya is going to be the Lady of Winterfell. The new hairstyle proves it. (Cue: Ned, Young Ned, and Rickard)
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! 😀
Lannister armor (as opposed to the kingsguard armor) is a good look for Jaime! I know we’re excited for a Jaime/ Brienne reunion, but they’re going to be on opposite teams this time :(.
I’m hoping Margaery will find some way to communicate her goals with Olenna in a manner the Septa can’t pick up on. Her motives are the only thing keeping me halfway interested in KL this season.
Jon and Sansa don’t look too happy.
Desperately hoping for more Bran this Sunday.
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
Jenny,
Maybe her absence
Just my speculation though.
these are great! nice change of pace from a couple weeks where the photos were mostly straight from the previews and not terribly interesting. Love the one w/ Arya & the Titan in the background
The return of Bronn should add to the characters at Riverrun since he and Pod have an interesting history via Tyrion.
Blackfish looks like he is seeing his nephew trotted out and he is not amused but IS ready to kick some ass.
Cersei plotting the next maneuver with QoT, FrankenGregor towering over her shoulder.
Jansavos meeting with House Glover to explain the importance of getting Winterfell back from the Boltons and preparing for the White Walker threat.
Arya contemplates her next move (just before the Waif shows up Im guessing)
Queen Marg gets a bath but will Septa Unella be her parole officer?
Littlefinger’s Middlefinger,
ah man, bran.. doesn’t seem like we are going to get bran
or maybe no Dany actually… 🙁
good to see Bronn’s back. Thought Cersei would have tossed him in the dungeons and thrown away the key
Rhaenys Stark,
Yes that the name of Glover castle
BRONN!!
And hope thst Jon picture satisfies some people concerned about his role..lokks front and center and in charge there!
Rhaenys Stark,
It is game-changing thing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
Yessss, they’re finally releasing Jon promo pics!!! He looks none too happy with Lord Glover. I figure their meeting will be fruitless. Hell, it looks like Jon & Co aren’t even admitted into the hall; Glover is meeting them outside. Hopefully they’ll have better luck with House Mormont.
The Blackfish looks badass! Fuck Jaime if he hurts a hair on that man’s head.
Captain Darling has gone back in time it seems. Hopefully Blackadder follows him soon (hint please cast Rowan Atkinson or Stephen Fry D&D for any role).
Rhaenys Stark,
The Glover’s are the exciting part (I think). They are kind of like those awesome sidekick families who always show up at the right time to help.
Dee,
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Yeah, these are very good pictures imo, finally Arya has a decent hairstyle 🙂
I don’t know. That Lannister armor always remind me of cockroaches (exoskeleton).
This will be the best scene all year… Ian McShane’s speech….. and hopefully the Hound….
As soon as I saw him I screamed ‘Alonzo from the 101 and 102 Dalmatians!’ lol I’m sure he will be great.
Jaime in Lannister armor looks too good!!
Marg has a new faith costume!
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn. Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
Yara and Theon will appear at least. I’m looking forward to seeing Volantis again
aabe,
but I thought they said the north will be reminded 🙁
Greyjoys are in the episode preview for this week.
Littlefinger’s Middlefinger,
haha I love Dany – want to see what happens when she gets to Mereen!
If Bran, Meera and BENJEN aren’t in this episode for at least one scene, I will slightly disappointed.
But this episode looks great going by these pictures. Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
GET HYPE! If those episode titles are real (I hope episode 9 isnt called “Battle of the Bastards”) and if episode 10 is really titled “The Winds of Winter’ then the wall could come down at the end of the season.
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
Cliffhangers, lots of them.
Happy to see Bronn. Looks like another exciting episode.
Is Jaime’s armour is the same one that Lord Tywin was wearing in season 2?
Never mind, it looks like all of the Lannister soldiers have that same armour.
Will we finally see “I choose violence”?
GMarie,
She’s always been wearing a wig on the show.
Guinevere Seaworth,
Yes!
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GMarie,
She’s worn a wig in every season.
Guinevere Seaworth,
Jaime wore red armor before. I remember it well in season 1, when he was speaking with Tywin.
Connor,
Definitely! I was looking it up and saw someone had already posted it. Here’s to hoping she gets the F out of Braavos this week.
GMarie,
dont think her hair has/had completely grown out from the cut she got for Hunger Games movies
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
Yup, that’s what I think too. Can’t say I blame him. Better luck at your next stop, Team Stark.
Dee,
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes. Only North, Volantis, Braavos, and King’s Landing. We see Jon and Sansa in three different locations (with the wildlings, Bear Island and Deepwood Motte). More King’s Landing stuff like ep6, involving Cersei, High Sparrow, Olenna and Margaery. I hope we get to see septa Unella die screaming and Cersei’s face being the last thing she sees – A Lannister always pays her debts. Arya’s dress is different from the one in which (filming spoilers)
. – Arya’s “plan” may involve the theatre company.
This time, I am more excited to see the free cities story than the North – In the preview, Theon looks like back in Reek mode. And that shot of Arya gazing at the Titan is glorious (maybe because I’m a huge Arya fan).
That would be very cool but I can’t imagine who. Tony Robinson, now…..
Oh those pics excite me. Worried we will see Rickon and Ramsey….might have th keep my eyes partly covered…
Blackfish armor is sick.
Anyone else think Clive looks like an older version of Benioff?
GeekFurious,
Daarya Nastarkis confirmed 😮
GeekFurious,
yes they are
I hate the Lannisters, but I love their armor, especially Tywins.
Jaime’s finally back on his book arc, woohoo!
TWO episodes without Tyrion, crazy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row. That has never happened before. So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
aabe,
whats so exciting about theon and yara in volantis?
edit: I don’t do spoilers so don’t tell me if its based on a spoiler haha
Sean C.,
He could just be the Glover who meets them.
OT It is really confusing trying to keep track of all the characters who died at the RW with all that may just be missing. Maybe it’s just a book reader’s dilemma.
Maybe we see Melanie Liburd this episode.
The Pic shows the North being reminded…
Does the North Remember?
It’s gonna take something to jog their memory.
And I say… why not? ???
That Arya shot is amazing.
Was missing the Braavos look, so goot to see it’ll make a comeback.
Sue the Fury,
Was Gilly wearing a wig when she dined with the Tarly’s? I don’t know what Hannah Murray’s actual hair color is, but when she met Lady Tarly it looked much darker than when she got her makeover.
Should we assume that we’ll be getting the grave digger this episode?
Dany is in Essos 😀
As fast as the show is going I assume Arya will be on a ship to Westeros by the end of the episode.
Jack Bauer 24,
I guess so
Are they going to get to her before Euron?
Was thinking the same. That shot with the Titan of Braavos in the background is awesome.
Jack Bauer 24,
Oh, yes! He certainly does! They are both quite handsome!
Fuck me running. Have they decided to make Jaime look like the hottest man in Westeros again? It seems to happen whenever he’s away from Cersei.
Yeah i think so.
I thought that also at the time but I had second thoughts after watching Inside Thrones for Ep1&2 and how they had a stand in for Mel’s body. If that was the gag then something similar was already done with Lena last year in her WoS when her face was superimposed on someone else.
Anyway I know this is OT but I was curious about other fan opinions, thanks
Josla,
I think we will be getting Ian McShane’s character this episode and Bryan Cogman said this in an interview about next week’s episode:
“All I can say about next week’s episode is there was a week of shooting a particular sequence/storyline that was my favorite week on set in six seasons of Game of Thrones.”
Also hyped for Jonsa rallying the North montage
If I had to make a guess, I would say that they first go to a couple of houses that turn them out, then hit the jackpot with the Mormonts, Manderlys etc
Wasn’t there a filming leak in which
HotPinkLipstick,
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Bronn HYPE
And he’s not pictured, but IAN MCSHANE HYPE
Jon Small, Sansa Stogre, Davos Seamore and a big effing man. lol They’re not giving it to Jonsa stans by highlighting the height difference.
Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
Is it too much to hope it’s Pycelle? I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Hope we get some Tyrion
I think we all expect Dany to be leaving for Westeros by episode 10, but I just have no idea how they can wrap up Meereen in 4 episodes (heck, this Slavers Bay plot can’t be wrapped up in Dany’s lifetime IMO)…
But so hyped. This seems like a heavy Stark/Lannister episode, and Im getting serious season 1/2 feels…
So excited for this episode!
Jaime vs Blackfish!
Arya vs the Waif!
Deepwood Motte!
The return of Bronn!
The return of the Hound!
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
DEEPWOOD MOTTE! It’s good to be right /smug.
Glad to see Jon in the center there. It looks like the meeting won’t go so well for Jonsavos. 🙁 But there are other houses they can see.
Look at that beautiful Tully and Lannister armor!
I like Margaery’s cute little crown.
Arya is dressed to fight! Yeah, girl!
aabe,
okay 🙂 makes sense!
Am i the only one who likes KL this year? Pryce is an absolute delight to watch.
I don’t know why, but that pic with Olenna, Margaery, and Septa Unella is just glorious, lol.
Hey… spot on!
I am most excited for the North! then the Riverrun stuff
SO DAMMMM EXCITED
Sou,
hotness!
gnarlytarly,
Or someone. Which is why I worry about Rickon
It’s like supervised visitation for abusive parents…
Jack Bauer 24,
Slipped my mind, I’ve been obsessing over Bran’s vision too much! thanks for the reminder.
its good if there is a break for dany now, I am kind of annoyed by her atm.
Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
aabe,
Well, washing it might have played a role there.
Or she’s just wearing a wig.
Sean C.,
One possibility is
.
aabe,
What is this
I keep hearing about? How will it happen?
Demon Monkey,
Could be a trick by the High Sparrow to check if her conversion is for real.
Arya and the Titan. Love it.
She’s a natural blonde so she may have worn a wig before only this one is more obvious. As somebody mentioned upthread she did have a weird half shaven haircut for “The Hunger Games” part whatever it was.
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
Maybe she was still letting her shaved head from Mockingjay grow out while they were shooting this season.
Episode is only 51 minutes and already jam packed.
In the “Blood of My Blood” written recap thread, Luka Nieto listed four possible “milestone” conversations that could be adapted for this episode. Really looking forward to their integration, especially the Broken Men and BF vs JL excellence.
As I mentioned before, I’m keen on how Jon, Sansa and Davos convey critical info to other major houses. Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
Hey, I must specify that I am a woman, but does anyone here finds Septa Unella kind of sexy too?
I wonder what Melly is up to lol
That shot of Arya is beautiful.
Flayed Potatoes,
Melly has learnt her lesson. She gonna STFU until Jon tells her to do something.
Sou,
She certainly aint bad looking out of her Unella costume
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/weJJ_a7fUJ4/hqdefault.jpg
ash,
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
Goddamn, the costume department never fails to impress. Jaime’s armor has always looked so amazing. The Stark cloaks are just beautiful (hopefully it’s fake fur though).
tkk,
It’s the same hairstyle as Ned’s.
Connor,
What do you mean by that?
Jack Bauer 24,
No you are not. Pryce is amazing I loved every moment he was on screen!
We might not get Ramsay until episode 8 or 9.
Remember the pfoto of Mel we were analysing before the beginning of the season? It WAS a glimpse of Sansa’s gown on the side! It was not visible in ep 5 but the photo above confirms it.
aabe,
To me Jon looks shocked (and the bad kind of shocked). Sansa does look sad though.
Connor,
Ramsay is Mike Teevee and I am willy wonka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vvex_mfik
So much for the Sansa killed Jons character theory can’t let those previews get to you!
Faridah,
Sorry, I know how cringey it is.
Tycho Nestoris,
And Davos looks defeated or embarrassed.
She had part of her actual hair shaved off for another role.
GMarie,
Louis,
Actually, in that pic, the guy Probably calls him a bastard, and then sansa steps in
OR,
the guy comments as sansa a betrayer and Jon gets angry, follows with a bastard comment – LOL
Edit: followed by a jab a davos re: stannis
I would happily trade 100 fiery Dany speeches for a snarky quip or two from Bronn right about now. I’ve been missing that guy!
Louis,
I hope we see Jon give speeches and have an active role in the recruiting.
HelloThere,
wow
Dee,
They should make a shadow baby and kill Ramsay. Spare us the suffering lol.
Rhaenys Stark,
I remember him from Black Death, where he starred alongside Mel and Ned. 🙂
HelloThere,
Good god……
I have certainly noticed that her habit is cut a lot clingier than is typical for Catholic nuns.
Flayed Potatoes,
LOLs!!
Shame!
Davos is the real negotiator of the bunch, I have a feeling he’ll be the voice of reason much of the time. Heck, he convinced the Iron Bank.
Please don’t bring Bronn back just to kill him off!
Jonsavos look like they are getting read for filth by Lord Glover tbh.
I wonder where they are camping/sleeping during all this recruiting lol.
Also…..where did Dany’s horse go in the last episode? I’ve been meaning to ask lol.
Yaaaass Jaime you lion!
…and ok Bronn too. But can’t Jaime just the guy just enjoy his retirement??
ok, I think I would rather do a walk of atonement then have that horrible Unella bitch following me around all day everyday. is it comeuppance time yet?
That’s not what I see. I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’ He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
aabe,
I imagine it’s going to be hard for them to convince those lesser Houses (or anybody south of the Wall) that the White Walkers are real. I think most will have the same reaction Sam’s brother had when the subject was brought up at the dinner table last week. Hopefully Davos can convince them all the Walkers are a very real threat.
Flayed Potatoes,
Let’s just assume that Drogon ate her horse, lmao.
Aw thanks! I’ve been around but it’s hard to figure out which thread has the active conversation. Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!! 🙂
I hope all is going well and someone is carrying the torch for the comments drinking game.
Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
I wonder if they’ll have a montage of Jonsavos approaching the various Northern houses or if they’ll have scenes of them visiting one house that will join them (likely Mormont) and one house that won’t (possibly Glover) as examples and then just mentioning if the other houses have joined them or not. There seems to be more than three Northern scenes in this episode and I am so excited! *happy dance*
It was aged up Mel. It was supposed to happen in the Mel bathtub scene with Selyse in S4, but that was changed (the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
They tried to find a place for it in S5 but couldn’t really find a good scene for aged Mel.
Finally did it in the first episode of S6.
Dee,
I guess I mean they have fooled me many times. All the plot twists have my damn head spinning…I guess that’s one reason I love this show so much.
Long live the Starks!
mrspeel,
I must’ve missed something. I thought Jon was gathering houses for taking WF. Are they spreading WW awareness too or *just* WW awareness?
Flayed Potatoes,
Flayed Potatos, you are a genius! And who wouldn’t enjoy watching them make that baby?
I also find Septa Unella hot!
I fear for Pod though…
Septa Unella hanging around in the Red Keep eh. She might not want to walk past Cersei and her monster. I can’t say I’d be upset if she met a wall too though.
It’s interesting that Arya is wearing a different outfit than the one she’s wearing in the scene of her jumping off a building. From the quick shot we’ve seen that outfit looks a bit more peasant-ish than the one above.
http://static2.therichestimages.com/cdn/568/319/90/cw/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Arya-Jumping.jpg
Aryamad,
I don’t think he will die this episode, or this season, or at all lol.
HotPinkLipstick,
UMM
you missed a massive one after the events of “The Door”
The crowd was divided in two:
– Sansa will betray Jon and the siblings will be divided
– Sansa will not betray Jon blabla.
Something like that – I wasnt involved much in it. hahaha
Josh L,
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
Here’s what i hope will happen (probably episode 10!).
Yara will tell Dany/Tyrion/etc that Euron is coming with 1,000 ships and they will together hatch a plan to pretend to take Euron up on his offer, but then instead steal the damn ships from under him. In return for the heads up/help, Dany will kill Euron and restore that driftwood crown to the Greyjoy kids when they all get back to Westeros. Woudl be an awesome way for them to head to Westeros.
Clob,
I’d say episode 8 is the episode where she will
Right? I doubt they would have left her with the Wildlings considering she burned their king. But she’s nowhere to be seen at Deepwood Motte or Bear Island. Maybe they left her watching the horses, LOL.
I do remember in one of the behind the scenes videos recently released, Carice Van Houten (and Liam Cunningham) was interviewed in a sort of woodsy area and some castle-like building behind her. I could never place that location but maybe it was the Deepwood Motte location and Mel is actually there, just off to the side.
gnarlytarly,
I feel you
I worry for rickon
Love live the starks for sure!
I like it very much as well, mostly due to Pryce. He is a phenomenal actor.
Connor,
I’m pretty sure the week of shooting involves Arya/The Waif doing a remake of Assasin’s Creed and has nothing to do with Ian McShane.
Yes. Except the tables have turned! Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency. They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.: “Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
Oh thank fuck I missed THAT nonsense.
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
I’m pretty sure that S7 & S8 will take place entirely Westeros. My speculation is that Dany & the Dothraki will show up in Meereen around E8 and successfully end the Sons of the Harpy in E10. Yara / Theon will probably show up in Meereen in E8 or E10 with their fleet, all ready to bring Dany and the Dothraki, Second Sons, Unsullied, et al back to Westeros. That’ll officially end the Meereenese Knot, and by the end of E10 everybody will be on ships heading back to Westeros.
Arya, meanwhile, will prepare to depart Braavos in E7, and will have her fight with the Waif in either E7 or E8. After Arya kills off the Waif, she’ll get on a ship and be back in Westeros by E10.
After that, there’s no body left in Essos, and no reason for anybody else to go there.
Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that… 🙂
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
HBO CEO of Tits,
I think he is talking about the
Ian McShanes character has something do with it.
I also like KL. Pryce is incredible. But I also love watching all of these “players” trying to out maneuver each other. Its going to explode soon and I can’t wait to see who is left standing.
BunBunStark,
She’s probably parking the horses, I agree. Chauffeur Melly CONFIRMED!
LOL, the height difference never stopped Jaime/Brienne shippers. Very tall women with men they can fit in their pockets can be visually appealing too.
mariamb,
Ppl are frustrated KL isn’t moving faster, but IMO…
they aren’t seeing the long game, where the dam is ready to burst and real shit will go down…
Jack Bauer 24,
No you’re not, give me KL instead of Essosi storylines anyday – except for Arya – it’s also very interesting that almost no one talks about Jonathan Pryce, he’s absolutely killing it. So delightful to watch his stellar performance indeed.
Jack Bauer 24,
King’s Landing >> East Essos
Not much is happening in KL, but they have good actors. Arya’s storyline picked up considerably because of her interactions with the theater troupe, but the rest of Essos puts me to sleep.
Rhaenys Stark,
For me, it was his adorable chef friend character from “Notting Hill”. Happy to see him!
Pigeon,
.
Very true.
mrspeel,
Too bad no one thought to take a selfie with one…. 🙂
Forget Waif, Area’s story suddenly taking the front centre apparently building to big climax in E10.
I agree. It’s not going to be easy.
Sansa is a “traitor” (having married first Tyrion Lannister, *then* Ramsay Bolton), and a woman (even if she is Ned Stark’s daughter). The Northern lords aren’t going to listen to her.
Jon Snow is a bastard, and an oathbreaker (leaving the Night’s Watch). I’m sure that the first thing many Northern families will do upon seeing Jon Snow at their doorstop not wearing the black would be to try to execute him for leaving the NW. It’s going to take some fancy talking for Jon Snow to convince them that he fulfilled his oath.
Davos (and Melisandre) are filthy usurpers, as they used to be a part of Stannis’s retinue. No matter which side of the Northern “civil war” you fall on, Stannis was fighting against both the Starks and the Lannisters. No Northern family would feel kindly predisposed towards either Davos or Melisandre.
As hated as the Boltons might be, they still control Winterfell and are officially recognized as the Wardens of the North. Add the fact that they have the Umbers and the Karstarks (and the Manderlys?) on their side, and it’s not going to be easy to convince the other Southern families to team up and take them out, Stark loyalty or no Stark loyalty.
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments. Jon could use him in this recruiting business. What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf? Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
I’m so looking forward to this episode. Jaime vs the Blackfish. The North Remembers. Broken Men. It must have been a nerdgasm of adaptation for Cogman!
nigglesnush,
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
Brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!
HelloThere,
I agree. The emotional parts of S6 clearly lie with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc and I love it. However, KL has me intrigued because I have no idea what to expect (well, actually I have a few ideas but I am always wrong).
i wonder if melisandra could get sent down to the riverlands with brienne, maybe to rally the bwb?
she’s not going to go down well with the northern banners and she’s not in the pic
would make for awkward travelling companions but probably good TV 🙂
I think Theon and Yara will hand over the stolen ships to Dany for her to get her arse to westeros.
HotPinkLipstick,
Ive had the same problem. I found tho that if you go to the far right of the screen,there is a text box labeled Recent Activity or something like that, showing recent posts, recent threads, most discussed. Click on most recent, and that will show you were the most recent discussions are taking place (and sometimes there are about two or three). What I wish would happen would be that we could bookmark our last thread on a post so we can find our way back to it easily!
If Arya vs Waif is happening this episode, I’ll be soooo happy. But I think it’ll only be in episode 8. I also think Arya will travel to Westeros with the troup and will join in as an actress in place of the Sansa actress.
I think the Broken Man scene will bookend the episode, and I’m also starting to think LS is a possibility again (for the finale, that is). I’d give LS a 30-40% chance, given what I think happens at the end of the episode.
FINALLY I hope we get our good ol’ Jaime back!
Danny,
Ghost’s back in direwolf limbo. After the assassination, he should feel the need to be at Jon’s side 24/7. It just doesn’t compute. They’re back to ignoring the bond and the importance of the direwolf.
Oooh, yeah, I like this. He watches, he listens, and then he gets shit done. Truly, Jon & Sansa hit the jackpot with their new adviser.
mariamb,
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
I think there just might be something to this. The way Jaq-o said, roughly, “either way, a face will be added to the hall,” coupled with the Waif’s behavior (enmity, not so no-one, is it?) and perhaps even his look following some of that (not stink eye but perhaps a mini-version)… I wonder if he’s okay with Arya not becoming no-one.
jentario,
apparently GRRM confirmed
There’s no way for me to properly describe how excited i am for Sansa and Jon in this episode and i’m going to be seriously disappointed if their screen time is less than 15 minutes Sunday.
No Danny and Mereen this episode? GOOD. Also i don’t think Bran is going to be in this episode but i would definitely love a brief appearance with Benjen.
I’m worried that Ramsay hasn’t been in the last few episodes. The north being reminded might mean something involving rickon
Elizabeth H,
Cersei, not Cersi
Love,
Stannis, Westerosi Proofreader
jentario,
this
plz… i need more mother of madness
Undoubtedly! And I think that Septa Unella and her bell will have a very bad end. Sadly, I think that clueless King Tommen isn’t long for this show.
That picture with Jon/Sansa/Davos looks a little grim.
It’s going to be a hard sell–recruiting in the North
Let’s be honest
Davos is a smuggler turned Hand of Stannis, and not from the North
Sansa- to the outside world-appears to have stood by while her father was executed, remained engaged to Joffrey, married the imp Lannister, then married Ramsay Bolton.
Jon is a bastard (atm) who probably won’t be able to explain with any credibility his fight with WWs and death and resurrection that made it cool for him to abandon his post at CB-usually a death sentence. Oh and also he has a pack of Wildlings, a direwolf, a giant and a depressed fire witch following him around.
So here they come, after Robb took many of them to war and death at the Red Wedding, after the Ironborn took advantage of the war of five kings to attack, after Ramsay flayed and threatened anyone who didn’t respect Bolton rule, after several houses have lost their original leadership and/or are in disarray.
Yeah. Hard sell. But I don’t think it will be for the Mormonts. Just from show examples-Jeor and Jorah? Those men are loyal. And Lyanna Mormont’s letter that there is only one king in the North and his name is Stark.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
PS-Jaime looks amazing in the Riverlands. I’m praying Lancel sends him a note or Bronn tells him about that relationship with Cersei. Also-do we even know if he knows that she’s the one that put HS in power just to mess with the Tyrells like a petty you know what? I’m so ready for him to wake up from that hold she has on him that makes him an idiot and takes away all of his personal growth.
Oh and Marg, Olenna and Septa Unella? I will need to watch that meeting closely to see if the two smartest women in the realm can pass messages to each other without giving anything away to shame nun.
Nope, Sansa’s tall in the books too. Shockingly, you can be both tall and feminine at the same time, and height has no correlation to whether or not a person is submissive.
On another note, yay Blackfish! I hope he drags Jaime’s ass but good.
HotPinkLipstick,
I loved yoyr description of so many ‘discussions’ – so right! It is amazing tho, even with those that make me roll my eyes and scroll, there are three times as many that are interesting or funny or informative or all of the above!
That would be good for the off season. But someone would have to keep track of it all and man I wouldn’t wish that job on anyone
afaik Sophie said they wanted her to appear towering over men, they made her wear high heels to make her look even higher in past seasons.
RG,
I’m expecting some epic subliminal exchanges between the two, Olenna is going to serve Lady Grantham levels of sass in this scene.
Off-Topic Otto,
I saw something yesterday that I really want to believe. That this was a test for the Waif too-and one she seems to be failing tbh because I don’t think FM should be so emotional or revel in the idea of hurting and killing someone. That’s not their style.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Tinfoil addition: And it will have something to do with Syrio wanting her to finish her dancing lessons lmao
It’s been a while since I watched that scene, but Mel basically says something to Selyse about her being so devout that she can see pass the magic.
Here’s the scene at YouTube if you want to rewatch it.
One old man’s opinion:
LSH is an allegoric tale being woven to reveal ridiculousness of a revenge based system of escalating violence.
The showrunners are using violence to drive the ratings. The books are anti-war, anti-violence.
The HBO show has become little more than being about badasses kicking other badasses’ asses. They’ve dropped the main motif of the book series long ago.
It’s for the best shes out anyway since they would have botched it.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Oh man I totally forgot that! Sweet! That was his first big role IIRC, glad he’s doing so well ETA duh, Black Adder….
ash,
Not saying they aren’t good discussions, just that I don’t have time for it all!
I SO want a thread of admitting our incorrect predictions.
These pictures alone signify how epic this episode will be, count all the stuff they wouldn’t want to spoil, and we have another corker.
Does anyone have any theories about what Sansa is writing up in the episode promo?
In AFFC Sansa is described by LF as “a maiden tall and fair” – she had a huge growth spurt sometime during the 3rd-4th book as I recall. I always thought she was taller than Baelish, at least, if not taller than the “average” Westerosi guy. She’s certainly not petite in the books, at least not by this point in time. Arya and Dany are petite, not Sansa.
And Jon’s height is never fully settled in the book. I’ve read some people say that he must be fairly short because he is described as always wearing LongClaw on his back instead of his hip. But yeah, Sansa being taller than Jon wouldn’t surprise me too much.
And yah she’s shorter than Clegane in both… obviously. 🙂
BIG OLE REMINDER:
You must use spoiler coding! Cover up all that
, every bit of it. It’s obvious what you’re talking about even when you think you’re being subtle. Cover it up, this is a post for everyone.
And please take with several grains of salt anything you hear from people claiming to have heard things from GRRM.
Sean C.,
It would be surprising, but then again, “Blood of my Blood” was the first episode in the series without Tyrion or Jon. So far every episode Tyrion had missed had included Jon :
“You Win or You Die”, “Rains of Castamere”, “First of his Name”, and “Watchers on the Wall”.
BunBunStark,
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
Jamie, Bronn and Blackfish at Riverrun!
Luka Nieto,
Lord Percy! Yes!! I was tormenting myself…
Anthony Cogliano,
Yeah, “reminded” sounds ominous.
HelloThere,
The more I look at Sophie’s 2 lies and a truth the more I think she lied about all 3.
LOL, it’s probably the latter. Ghost is all caught up with S6 and knows what’s happened to his siblings. He’s come to the conclusion that his best defense is to stay the hell away from the Starks.
Josh L,
The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
Then again, Jorah said there were 100’000 people in Vaes Dothrak, but perhaps Dany won’t bring them all to Westeros ? After all, many of those will be children, women, and the elderly. Unless the Dothraki are permanently moving to Westeros, I’m not sure they would really come with her.
Now that Dany has united the Dothraki, the fate of Vaes Dothrak, and the Dothraki people’s future as a society is a little unclear.
So many questions.
Daughter of Winter,
I agree with you 100percent minus Daeny.
Sue the Fury,
Woops, sorry Sue 🙂
Common Sense, in the end, makes be think LSH happening wud just be weird @ this point…
Tho i’ve mostly let it go, a small part of me still yearns for it ,lol
Something mental, I would say.
Oh god yes!
GMarie,
She shaved half her head for hunger games.
I love Tyrion, but I don’t need him in every episode. I get Peter Dinklage is the star of the show and tops the bill, and there must be an obligation to feature him in as many eps, but a lil’ 2 minute Meereen update amongst the all the goodness of this episode just isn’t necessary.
RG,
Ive been thinking that as well. Jacquens look when Waif walked away was telling to me
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
It doesn’t seem right that they would leave Tyrion out for two episodes in a row….
Yeah something like that, or that they would all kneel to him and Mel would do something like proclaim him AA loudly.
And generally I’ve been so wrong all season and. Never thought Brienne would find Sansa. Who could have imagined the concept of Tormund crushing on Bri?? NEVER thought that Jon and SANSA would unite (WHA?!??!), assumed like everyone else Dany would be saved by Drogon (WRONG), thought Cersei would blow up the sept of Baelor last week (NOPE).
And I’m so excited to be wrong more.
That was so brilliant.
As a side note I need more Brienne in my life this episode but I’m a bit worried that they will just have her as a stinger at the end (Jaime/Brienne reunion) and I will scream.
Tim McInnerny and Ian McShane in the same episode! It really is incredible how the show manages to get so many big names for such small roles, but then this is the biggest show on TV. There’s too many examples to list, but these two add to the long number of actors who have signed up for cameo roles. I honestly can’t think of another show, ever, to have so many big actors sign up for such roles
Hy~pe!! Hope we get a glimpse of
this episode. And that Arya introduces the Waif the the pointy end of Needle.
lalla,
Really? That’s just stupid. Whatever was the reason?
Shaz,
I think Tyrion and Dany might be leaving Meereen in ep 10, so I am just wondering how they can wrap it all up in only 3 episodes..
I bet he shows up for a few minutes.
HotPinkLipstick,
I hear you. I was laid up with a hip fracture the last three months so I had lots of time to be on line, but yeah normally I wouldn’t have had much time either
This is a BIG episode for Mr. Jon S.
Haha, Tyrion absent in two episodes in a row? Not.
Jaime and the Blackfish look so good! And Bronn!!! I still miss the Bronn-Tyrion duo – Jaime and Bronn never ever came close to that, in my opinion. Arya finally out of the No One Cult. Jon, Sansa and Davos doing the filler recruiting thing till Episode 9, I guess. I wish Davos would go and find Shirren’s pyre, but that could happen in Ep. 9 too since it’s near Winterfell.
I posted this above, but what about Yara/Theon in their fastest ships warning Dany about Euron coming with 1,000 ships. Then they (probably masterminded by Tyrion) come up with a plan to lure Euron into a trap and steal the ships from him.
As if a fatherless girl in the Middle Ages had a saying on stuff like that…
I am not contradicting you, it may quite well be as you say, but it would be very unfair!
richard decredico,
There’s nothing to botch really. Lady Stoneheart has appeared in only a page or two. She doesn’t even have a plot, not yet anyway.
ash,
She’s girl no one.
QueenofThrones,
imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
QueenofThrones,
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Josh L,
Very interesting. Now you’ve got me thinking
Does she see her in her true state all this time?
QueenofThrones,
Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
Very intriguing.
richard decredico,
Then why are you here? (btw I am a huge book fan and still love the show)
ash,
Shit. I hope you are ok now.
I think only about 2 dozen or so Wildlings were at CB to see Jon come back from the dead. To them he’s a God, but to the remaining thousands back at Wildling camp (especially the warriors), Tormund still has some convincing to do. And judging from the trailers, we know he succeeds.
I do agree with the rest of your post, that Team Stark does have a hard-sell on their hands when it comes to the Northern houses. Their various credibility is shot to hell at the moment.
Random prediction not based on these pictures.
Jaqen will eventually reveal himself as Lady Crane. Killing the Waif is the final step of Arya’s training.
ash,
It’s never been said on the show
My sister didn’t know until I told her
Something dramatic must happen or be seen by many up North for the lords to pledge their banners. Hmmm, what could that be?
RG,
I think it makes sense why the rest of the Widlings would need convincing. Not all of them saw Jon’s dead body, so not all of them would believe he was some sort of God. The free folk aren’t a monolith , they are a diverse group of people with different tribes, and various superstitions and motivations. And it’s not like they are very used to being organized anyway….this is really unpresedented stuff for them, as their tribes are usually always splintered and fighting.
They joined up to get past the wall, and now that they are past the wall, I can see some of them having reservations on following orders from a crow, even someone they might respect for bringing them there. They need to be convinced that this is the best thing for them. They aren’t just going to blindly follow Jon without feeling that it is in their best interest to. I believe they will be convinced, but I think it’s worth it to have a scene showing some of the reserved free folk being convinced to go fight for a castle.
Sou,
Oh yeah, Im walking now, with a cane at this point but hopefully when school starts up this fall I’ll be in shape again to go running after the kids… thanks.
ash,
jentario,
At the end of season 5, “Jaqen” drinks poison and “dies.” The “Waif” then turns into “Jaqen.” Was the
who died or “Jaqen” or just generic “no one”? I am so lost on these FM. I understand the changes to the Waif to make her a fighter, I just
Blanche Holstein,
Maybe seeing Rickon’s body? Or maybe a WW is following the CB team?…..
RG,
Does Jon really need to mention his death and resurrection? If they are still going to see him as an oath-breaker (which he technically really isn’t), he should just tell people he didn’t feel like he could ever trust his men again after such betrayal and so he left the Watch for everyone’s sake. He’s got the wounds to prove he was attacked. As to how he was able to survive them? Well, he could tell them Mel saved him. Being saved is less spooky than being resurrected. I mean only about 8 people actually saw Jon as a corpse, of those only 3 are with Jon. There is really no need to spread that kind of information around. It’s unimportant for what they are trying to do. I mean Mel would be the only one who I could see wanting people to know what took place with Jon, and only because she now believes he’s the promised one so she would want people to see him as that but I also think she’s learned a hard lesson with the Stannis debacle and will try to be more of an adviser and less of a manipulator.
ash,
Why not both?
Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion. But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all. Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
DessertCartBoy,
Oh… now that would be interesting.
I was thinking the show would trick us into thinking Arya dies and have the Waif return to Jaquen only to kill him and reveal she’s Arya wearing her face.
Tycho Nestoris,
Interesting – that whole bit when she came back to HBW was hard to follow, and there could have been some identity switching going on. Mmm I agree with you about
Jumbo,
i really don’t think they’re going that way, it’s more a sandor/arya thing in the show, and not romantic. sandor has been namedropped twice already in arya’s storyline in braavos, i’m really looking forward to seeing them meet again in the riverlands
I’m probably wrong, and biased in my wishes because I hate Euron and want him to sink into the sea ASAP.
But Tyrion is cleverer than anyone, especially Show!Euron. So I don’t think it’s unrealistic that he could be hoodwinked by Dany’s forces.
Let’s imagine they left Euron out of the show completely. Yara would have become King of the II and then built some ships and… what? Turtled up I guess? She wouldn’t have even known Daenerys and her Dragons existed. Euron beating Yara and Theon gave the show runners the excuse they needed to put the characters where they need to be – in the show, Euron is the literary definition of an antagonist – someone (or thing) that causes the protagonist(s) to take action. If Yara had just learned about dany some other random way and chosen to go herself, that would seem deus ex machina-y. Plus there wouldn’t be any question about what happens, whereas with Euron, we don’t know who will be at Dany’s side – Yara or Euron?
Yah he’d just be a one-season / one-shot villain in my scenario, but he surely is not irrelevant.
I thought it would be kind of cool if Arya defeats the waif and ends up leaving the waif’s face behind per Jaqen’s, “One way or another a face will be added,” line.
ash,
OMG
The show has done more to set up an Arya and Sandor reunion than a Sansa and Sandor reunion. In the show, the Sansa/Hound interactions feel like way more of an afterthought than the stuff in the books, especially since there is no scene where Sansa misremembers being kissed by The Hound. From how it’s presented in the show, I doubt Sansa has even spent one second thinking about Sandor.
The fact that Brienne referred to The Hound as some man pretty much killed off any future subplot of Sansa/Sandor in the show, imo.
I do wonder if Arya will ever see The Hound again. Tbh, I think I’d look forward to Arya/Sandor reuniting more than Arya/Jon. At least on the show. In the books, Jon and Arya feel so much closer since they are constantly thinking about each other. I so want him to mush her hair again. But then again if I see him mush her head on the show, I’m sure I’ll lose it there too.
GeekFurious,
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
A character has been given a second actor. There will not be a third.
jentario,
Oooo I like that! Or The Waif kills Arya revealing herself as…….. GENDRY!
I kid of course.
Fishscales on the Blackfish’s armor. I love the costumes that tie back to the house sigil. Arya is out and about no longer sporting the the ladies of Bravos fav two knot look. There is so much attention given to the small differences that define each cities culture. Finding the subtle messages in every scene makes the show so enjoyable to watch.
Oh dear… Tyrion couldn’t help himself I’m sure. They’d better add a self-reference about how that’s enough eunich jokes already!
Blanche Holstein,
Oh, why not indeed – give them something to remember for a looooong long time!
lalla & Kamali:
I’m interested – what do you make of the Sansa/Littlefinger relationship and the Hound’s potential impact upon it?
i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Dany and Drogon will land in Meereen this week, taking the bird-flies route and beating her 100,000 bloodriders. They’ll arrive in the midst of the madness and mayhem we saw in Meereen in the season trailers. And then, Fire and Blood. Or am I a week early in that prediction?
I love the Arya image with the Titan in the background. The Titan really makes Braavos for me. I think there’s much more to him than meets the eye, and that we’ll see the Titan in action sometime after the Wall comes down.
Bronn!!
Also, that one Lannister on the far right, the one with the fully visible face, looks real familiar too; like some featured extra that also was a Lannister soldier with a line of dialog in a previous season. No idea if that’s true, could be my imagination.
QueenofThrones,
Shouldn’t they have to convince Dany of their trustworthiness first? The Ironborn are known for their rebeliousness, whilst Tyrion and Varys are aware of Theon’s treachery against the Starks who treated him as a member of their family despite him being a ward. Yara will have her hands full in their upcoming meeting.
RG,
I really want to believe that, too!
Tycho Nestoris,
No apologies nec; we all have our parts in the book that we wish were dif in the show. Can’t help that. At least we still have to books to go back to and enjoy 🙂
jentario,
Oh that would be cool! Actually, have
happen at the end of the episode and watch the internet explode…
Tim Jones,
You guys are cracking me up today!
ash,
Yeah, I’ve been having a tough time even remembering in which thread I’ve posted. I mean, I’m really happy for the site and those who run it comment sections are going at such a seemingly break-neck speed (at least it seems much more so than last season), but it’s making it such that I’m having a tough time keeping up.
iridium,
In the previews, Sansa’s saying she did what she had to do to survive but it looks like the Mormont sigil is mounted on the walls, and she’s inside. There’s another scene of Glover approaching them and they’re outside – two different scenes. But methinks she’s going to have to answer for being Lady Bolton more than once
Call me an optimist, but I can’t believe they’d cast Tim McInnerny for one scene. I know they’re doing that for McShane, but that was a widely touted cameo. Tim is a lesser known actor worldwide but given the cult status of Blackadder, having him onscreen for 5 mins would be a huge waste. I’m hoping it means that Glover will join them.
(Pleased to see it confirmed – I thought it was him in the trailer! Now cast Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Miranda Richardson, Hugh Lawrie and Stephen Fry pls!)
The trailer definitely makes it appear like Sansa is going to be given hell by all these northern houses for being a Lannister/Bolton. I’d like to think after defending herself umpteen times to belligerent northern lords, that she finds an ally in little Lyanna Mormont. I am almost more excited to see Lyanna MORMONT than grown up Lyanna STARK. Especially if she gets some form of Wylla M’s speech.
Given the time it takes to build ships (a couple of months), Theon and Yara should be able to arrive before Euron even leaves. Oh wait, it’s the show. Logic need not apply to logistics or supply chains….sorry, I forgot.
Flayed Potatoes,
This!! So much!
There’s one thing I’m slightly confused about. After Arya killed Trant, Jaqen took the poison and killed himself, but then the Waif turned into him. If Arya does kill the Waif, what stops one of the other Faceless Men turning into the Waif (thus meaning Arya will never be free of her)?
fairly straight forward episode
-Riverrun
Jamie comes up on the siege, the Freys produce Edmure, blah blah blah, i’d imagine it’s pretty close to the book’s plotline. [/ spoiler] once Brianne gets there… who knows but i doubt there’s anything more than her arrival.
-Northern recruiting, probably will be a mixed bag result. Most houses likely willing to help in some fashion, but not enough to give Jon an Army large enough to beat Ramsay.
-Volantis, Bro n Sis working on a plot to get Dany to go with them instead of Euron.
-KL, Tyrells and Cersei will be cranky, and come to the conclusion they either work together or lose their power. Sparrow will start dealing with Loras- or at least he will come up this episode.
-Braavos, Can Arya just end the Waif now? please. the Waif will be added to the hall of faces and Arya and Joquen will make peace with the situation and she’ll leave for Westeros (probably split over 2 episodes)
inactive plot lines
North of the wall- nothing
Iron Islands- nothing
Dorne- is that even still a place?
Oldtown/Horn Hill- nothing
Meeren- nothing (will throw fans a curve ball by not including Peter two times)
Dany-wherever she is…nothing gonna happen this episode.
Oh that fucking last pic, I Don’t give a damn about the Tyrells, don’t start to fuck with me like this when I know you’re killing them all off in the finale.
(sry for language lol)
Marg is most certainly not a genuine believer. She’s playing her game. Her motivation is Ser Loras, primarily. If Cersei gets knocked down in the process, all the better, but I don’t think Cersei is her primary motivation.
O/T: I may be late to discover this, but has anyone else been watching S3 of Penny Dreadful! Our sweet young Ned, Sebastian Croft, is a nasty little vampire in it!
http://evagreenweb.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/SebastianCroft-03.png
Connor,
He better not! XD
Is that a real hug ……”shame”
Name *,
I am more confused about FM than Bran’s “time” loop sequence.
There’s a difference between Jon and Daeny. All of Dothraki saw her rebirth or that pyre show. Jon was more of a quiet scene that only Tormund, Wun Wun and other Wildlings saw. Not all of them and they would need convincing.
Tormund will make a case because Jon was the only who tried to save them and died because of that. And Ramsay is going after them or threatened them and Jon is their only hope. It’s out of necessity for them fight which they will at the battle.
It would be harder to convince other such as Glovers because they just took Deepwood Motte from IronBorn and it probably took some of their men. So they likely decline it because of that and reputation of Sansa, Jon and Wildlings. Not everybody is perfect like Daeny gathering allies left, right and center. But it makes it all the more fun.
I think you meant to say, “something metal.” \m/
The best trash talking in ASoIaF is castellans insulting their besiegers. The Blackfish’s insolence is exceeded only by that of the castellan at Storm’s End not yielding to Stannis and then calling out Stannis’s riders who used to support Renly, including the remaining Renly Kingsguard amazingly still wearing rainbow cloaks.
So I’m hoping GoT really lets the defiance rip.
I would also like to see Jaime’s war council, which became a farce of heads of Houses behaving badly.
I think you meant to say, “something metal.” \m/
Are those enough ships?
How cool is it going to be to see Theon and Yara meet Dany.
#doubtingthomas #nekkidjon
I’m just thinking that if I put my hands into holes in a man’s chest where he’d been clearly and fatally stabbed over and over and over and yet was living, breathing, walking, and talking, I wouldn’t have a problem believing in the undead north of the Wall. Plus Michael McElhatton confirmed that he thought Roose and Ramsay would already know and believe that the White Walkers were real, didn’t he?
Bringing a character back from the “dead” is only done if there is a point to it. Why bring the Hound back if it is not to
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread. Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
THE NORTH SCENES HYPE!
In all seriousness, I thought they MIGHT split up the traveling, but their together here, Bear Island, and even with the Wildlings.
There’s going to be no montage – seriously, has this show EVER done a montage?
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
It isn’t going to be THAT straightforward with the Mormonts btw. That’s where Sansa says “I did what I had to do to survive,” so you know someone is going to question her. And that’s where Davos talks about the real war, so it’s not some walk in the park on Bear Island either. But at the end, she is a Stark, Jon has Longclaw, and it’s Lyanna Mormont.
I don’t care at all about Mereen. Haven’t missed Tyrion there at all. I think the show is trying to save a deathly boring book arc by sending some of it’s best or most intriguing characters there (Varys and Tyrion), but I’m not sure that many people care at all.
Oh, so excited that Tim McInnerny is in this and as a Glover! Have loved him from Blackadder. So very curious what the other lords of the North have to say about what has been going on.
Luka Nieto,
Oh he can be mean and intimidating too, I’ve seen him do genuinely scary. Although Lord Percy from Blackadder II is by far my fave. “Percy, play for me”….“Patty cake, patty cake baker’s man” 😀 😀
HotPinkLipstick
Hi Pinky, good to see you. Thought you might have overdone it with the pre-season drinking games. Personally I’m just taking credit for the things I got correct and ignoring the far larger numbers of misses. It was one large ship in the trailer, not three smaller ones, therefore I am a genius! 😉
Tycho Nestoris
I can’t remember whether it was Sophie or Maisie who said
Ooo, yes, but this particular lamb has teeth and claws. He will go down fighting. He won’t take Ramsay with him, exactly, because we have to have the Battle of the Bastards, but Ramsay won’t walk away from Rickon unscathed. I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
HelloThere,
But in reality it will be a faceless man wearing Shae’s face to assassinate Tyrion, ordered by Cersei.
Also FUCK YEAH THE BLACKFISH.
The show – like the books – has come so far from the war over the Iron Throne (Balon’s death really cemented that). The Lannisters won, the Starks were destroyed, and everything else went their own way.
But to have the Blackfish remind Jaime, “As long as I’m standing the war is not over,” I squealed and clapped my hands and almost fell off my chair.
BLACKFISH AND THE NORTH GET HYPE FOREVER
Lulus Mum,
Or perhaps she’s just moved on. Her empathising with play Cersei crying at the loss of her son was a clear indicator of this.
I am looking forward to Theon and Tyrion meeting again. Last time they met, they did not like each other much, and were then on opposite sides of the Stark/Lannister war. They both care about Sansa to varying degrees and Theon knows what happened to her after the Purple Wedding and how bad her marriage to Ramsay was. I wonder, if they do meet, if Theon with share this with Tyrion and what Tyrion’s reaction to it would be.
ash,
I would love that .
I usually use my memory and check the time of the last comment I read
And let’s say a couple hours pass when I can’t check the comments (say I’m working out or something) I remember the time tag of the last comment
LOL
ash,
I, personally, wouldn’t find that particularly helpful, although just because I wouldn’t doesn’t mean others would feel the same.
Like I said, I’m really happy for the site things are so busy, and if that means I can’t keep up the way I’d like, that’s just how it goes. There is the bonus, at least for me, of missing some of the inevitable whining about things that I, at least, find absurd. If enough folks want a more…focused, or at least easy to keep up with conversation, we can always start a thread in the forums.
Lulus Mum,
Makes sense, that’d be more a misunderstanding than an outright lie. Even still
would be pretty surprising imo.
Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
HelloThere,
And its gonna be awesome. I love the plotting and the build up. Because they are giving us clues and stuff. And nothing happen overnight either. I don’t see how a plot with Cercei and Zombie mountain can be boring. If all else fails, she will burn something down.
Dee,
I neither love nor hate Danny, just indifferent. In terms of her storyline well she needs to get to westros so i can at least start caring about it.
Simon,
Yeah, could be. She did seem strikingly empathetic towards Cersei at that point, although Lady Crane asks her in the same conversation (paraphrasing here can’t remember the exact words) if she enjoys pretending so perhaps she is being sympathetic towards Lady C rather then Cersei? Whatever the case, we should find out very soon 🙂
My collection of theories for the episode at this time:
(1) Mereen makes an appearance. Maybe to show the progress of the red priestesses and/or set up the pursuit of an alliance with Dorne.
(2) Yara and Theon are bound for Dany. That seems like the consensus. I think they’ll advise her to neglect Euron’s offer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she goes rogue and tries to pull another Dracarys moment. Or perhaps it will be true love <3
(3) Recruiting the Northern armies doesn't go so well. I'm wondering why (a) Sansa isn't considering using the army of the Vale, or (b) why Jon or Davos wouldn't recommend it. It's hard to imagine LF taking a side, but he has to have more of a role in all of this somehow.
(4) Arya kills the Waif (more of a hope that a solid prediction, fingers crossed)
(5) Arya travels to Westeros with the acting troupe. She may even kill the Sansa actress. I'd love to see her then take the role (her dialogue with Lady Crane was a potential setup), but I don't buy her as an actress, and I don't think either of those things would happen this week.
(6) Olenna is the new target of the HS.
(7) Jaime ain't too happy about being on the side of Walder Frey v. Blackfish.
I feel kind of in the dark, but regardless, I'm amped for this week!
Honestly, I doubt that’s going to be brought up. Ramsay’s letter to Jon didn’t even mention Theon (almost like he knows Theon didn’t go with Sansa to Castle Black and has exited this plotline completely).
I was wrong about Hodor. I theorized years ago that he would be fluent in the Old Tongue, of which “Hodor” was a word. I wanted him to have a big ole conversation when he finally met Wun Wun or Wildlings who spoke the Old Tongue. I still think Hodor is part giant but obviously the rest wasn’t the Hodor story.
I think this season has leaned toward confirming more of my heartfelt theories, though, than denying them, so I’m happy all in all.
Name *,
It’s littlefingers roll that will be the big reveal.
“The High Sparrow eyes another target” – He’s looking to Dorne. More salt in the Lannisters’ wounds, and more followers for the Seven.
“Jaime confronts a hero” – Obviously, this is in reference to the Blackfish. At Walder Frey’s behest, Jaime will attempt to ransom Edmure Tulley. This is treacherous, and will put a lot of pressure on the Blackfish to negotiate. Will he let him die, or will Brienne arrive just in time to stop/persuade Jaime?
“Arya makes a plan” – Apparently, she has some things to wrap up before leaving Braavos. She may want to say goodbye to Jaqen…be careful. She most definitely wants to point out a few things wrong with the Waif before climbing on that boat. The best laid plans, though, always seem to go wrong in GoT. This will get hairy. We’re going to see our first extended chase scene in a long time. Through the winding streets and canals of Braavos….exciting.
“The North is reminded” – This has double meaning. Jon, Sansa and Davos are out reminding the Northern Houses that Winter is Coming and so are the White Walkers. They will struggle at first, but as the next 2 episodes progress we’ll see them win over more and more to the Stark cause. The other reminding will be by Tormund Giantsbane to the Free Folk. They have forgotten that it was Jon who brought them through the Wall in the first place. It’s Jon for whom they must fight. He’ll remind them…even if he has to smack around one or two.
Its only logical for Jon and Sansa to have to convince these houses. Ones a official bastard and ones lady Bolton. What these other house must know though and I think will pull them over is the next known alive rightful heir to winterfell, who is a stark, is a prisoner there. And that should be motivation enough. Ready for these plots to start converging. I think this is the last transition episode and the rest are fire works and season conclusions. Dany will reach Mereen end the battle there and turn to westeros, Arya kills the waif, have some sort of interaction with Jaqen. Who I think, knew from the beginning, she could not be no one.
Starks get the army and end Ramsey, and reclaim the north then start thinking about the WW. KL is less predictable. I don’t think there will be a trial by combat. Sparrow will outsmart Cercei again and she will go ape shit. Casualties will abound, including the birds going stabby on Pycelle,Kevan, Sparrow. Cercei burns the city with Wildfire. Tommen dies.
Blackfish is not yielding RR, not even if they threaten Edmure. They have had him however long, what sense does that make? I really think, Brienne will be forced to choose whether to off Jaime or not. He took up arms against Catelyn’s kin when he swore he wouldn’t. I personally hope he dies. He’s useless in the show especially. Never taking responsibility, always following , usually Cercei
Tycho Nestoris,
I think the main cast get, if not the scripts for the whole thing, then at least a good overview of what’s happening in general, whereas those in smaller roles only seem to know about the things that affect them directly. Although obviously people can pick up stuff from other cast members as well. If I was in it I’d certainly be swapping plot points with others. “Oooh you’ll never guess what my lot are up to….*whisper whisper*….how about you?” Trade WTF moments 🙂
Acting! I mean, could you have seen Hugh Laurie doing House given his characters in that series?
It turns out that some of the actors get overall scripts and others just get their own scripts. Part of the reason why we had gotten inconsistent stories about whether actors got to see stuff other than their own material was because it has not been consistent! Moreover, Turner and Williams seem pretty chummy: they probably simply talk about what they have done.
Many times? I cannot even think of one off of the top of my head!
The problem is that the show has provided no indication that Rickon can warg. Moreover, I would bet that it would take a very skilled warg to influence Ramsay’s dogs. Animals can resist warging, and Ramsay’s dogs seem to see him as their Alpha. At any rate, given that Rickon is not one of the main characters, I would think that his fate needs to be determined by Jon or Sansa.
The FM are NO ONE – they have no names, they give up their identities when they agree to join. They do not introduce themselves with names, unless I suppose when they are playing a part and assume an identity as part of a mission, which is why Jaqen has a name. So no, she isn’t Waif in the show, the waif was just a nickname Arya gave to her in the books, no one had names, so she made up nicknames for everyone.
The actress is listed as the Waif in cast listing to denote who she is, but other than that no she has no name on the show. There is enough general online chatter and discussion for most casual watchers to refer to her as the Waif, there really is no excuse a reviewer – a little basic research would give the name. The average joe watching at home that never looks at GOT related social media or reviews or has a friend/co-worker that does (there must be a few) – probably not.
Jack Bauer 24,
Jonathan Pryce is putting on a clinic this year on how to subtly convey several different things at once. It’s seriously good acting.
I am getting sceptical that Jon/Sansa’s campaign trail results in any substantial support. It seems Meli going to come handy somehow and make the King of the North in the end.
eejazz,
3b
-they don’t know he has an army willing to enter they fight. remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I suppose it’s possible that the Waif doesn’t find and confront Arya until episode 8… but… I’m a bit more confused now though. In this picture above supposedly from episode 7 she’s wearing the same outfit and same hairdo as in those pictures HBO released before the season of her in the water. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/maisie-williams-game-of-thrones-333243.jpg So now I’m wondering why she’s running from someone and jumping off of a building in one outfit and in a canal in another. She’s not Missandei and has a new outfit every time she’s on screen. 😛
Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
My bet is that the Glovers are going to give Sansa et al. the cold shoulder, both because of Jon’s and Sansa’s propensity to figuratively and literally marry enemies! Besides, when does anything ever come easy for Starks? However, House Mormant seems to be the one good bet. At least in the books, the Wildlings are not their nemesis: the Iron Born are. And the Old Bear is from that house, so they are the one house that might have taken all of those ravens seriously. Still, even they never sent aid to the Wall: perhaps they figured that Gramps had gone nuts!
I call Jaime in the Riverlands “Jaime doing senior management” which he has not really done before as a Kingsguard. Jaime thinks
So I’m wondering what he will choose to do now that he is no longer vowed to the KG. Possibilities open up.
I think that the bigger issue is that this is going to be key for Sansa’s part in the story. She does not want LF’s help. However, she probably is going to need it. And at some point, she’s going to have to accept that sometimes you have compromise and accept disagreeable allies in order to accomplish your goals. That seems to be the basic story this year.
SEVEN HELLS!!! BRONN IS BACKKK, BITCHES!!!!. SOOOO HYPE. IS IT SUNDAY YET?!?
Balogh,
broken man hodor 🙂
Sansa doesn’t have Theon. Theon left to go to the Iron Islands and got caught up in the Kingsmoot. He’s currently on a fleet with Yara sailing to Essos.
The main actors get the full scripts, not just their parts.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfit. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
Rhaenys Stark,
oh will be good to see the reaction he has if he finds the half burned buck he carved for her next to the burnt pyre knowing red women burn her
Does anyone have any prediction/theories on how exactly the Manderly’s will play into this? Their armies have been mentioned twice now but
The main actors get the full scripts. In Sophie’s case, however, she didn’t read anything not pertaining to her own storyline — though she knows the details of Arya’s (much like last year), I imagine because Maisie is her sister from another mister and they talk a lot, so she’d know what Maisie is up to.
Making the 8,
I think the gag was either peeling off a person’s face or the spear through the back of Tristane’s head and out his nose.
Dee,
i think there gonna be a really cool scene with bran but didn’t want to mention it , the title the broken man might be about him and hodor i hope
Lulus Mum,
Regarding the “two truths, one lie” reveal …
My guess is Arya *will* cross three names off her list. It’s just that she’ll have to add two names to her list first.
Name #1 will be the Waif (or whatever name they give her on the show).
Name #2 is likely going to be Walder Frey at the end of this season.
My only stumbling block was name #3. I’m fairly certain it won’t be Cersei (her death is reserved for the Valonqar) or the Mountain (that’ll be either the Hound or the Sand Snakes). But the more I think about it, the more I think #3 will be Jaqen H’ghar once Arya realizes who sent the Waif after her.
If you Ctrl-F (Cmmd-F on the Mac) on a webpage and type in your name, ash, then you can search and find all of the instances of your name. Of course, it would help if your name was more unique since “ash” could easily be parts of other words or even just a word that doesn’t mean you. But I know if I see Ginevra, I’ve either commented on the thread or should read that comment.
Also, and perhaps I shouldn’t admit this, but I typically skip at least half of the comments – sometimes 75% or more. I read those I know and love and those who generally have something interesting to contribute, and I skip right over the rest.
Having just finished S3 for Ripper Street, this is a banner week for GOT, with Jerome Flynn (Bronn/Bennet Drake), Clive Russell (Blackfish/Chief Inspector Abberline), and perhaps even Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen/Harry Ward) showing up in the same episode.
Ripper Street generally is a good show to watch if you’re playing “spot the GOT actor”.
Josh L,
I Want HODOR back!
Tycho Nestoris,
It was two truths and a lie, not the other way around.
They see a giant.
A giant should be part of the delegation.
Damphairintheshowplease!,
True. My b.
Any chance of seeing Wyman Manderly?
Trust No One,
Yeah I get that, but they have to know that the Vale has an army (regardless of LF), and that given their tie to Catelyn, they may likely support a Stark claim to the North. Seems like a somewhat obvious *potential* ally when they are scrambling so hard to find any
Bluestreaking,
I did see another possible list victim being mentioned in another comment, tho. The actress who plays fake Sansa. I can see Arya adding that actress’s name (because if she’s willing to hire somebody to kill a person solely to get a better role, she’s probably not a nice person), offing her, then taking her face so she can get on a boat to Westeros without being found out. Arya does know how to put on a new face, as we saw in S5E10.
Probably not this episode. I’m expecting him at the beginning of E9, before the big battle.
Oh good point, me too. I got a funny feeling when Waif and Arya were talking and the Waif kept asking Arya all kinds of personal questions – who are members of her family and where are they now … I was glad Arya answered that she didn’t know. Do you think the Waif already had intentions of following Arya around and making trouble?
Flayed Potatoes,
you know dany horse became a snack to the dragon lol
Great stuff, and we still have more to come
Blackfish is great
Jaimie as Lord of Casterly Rock as I guess he is now is great to see. Part of me suspects this is part of a build-up to the Lannisters and Tyrells having to leave KL, eg they’ll have strong victories in this E7 and E8 but then they’ll crash horrifically at the end
As for the Starks and Tully’s who they seem to have an inverse relationship (Lannister high and Stark low was when Ice was being melted down and Lannisters were getting their own VS sword)
Suspect they may go from low, go a bit high, have a blip (being BF loses RR and Rickon dies) but then catapult high. Jon probably inherits the Stark side of things and Sansa the Tully’s (who won’t follow Jon).
Technically Bran should inherit it all but he’s gone from KitN to lofty 3-eyed crow!
Great to see some Tyrell soldiers around KL as going by that QoT pic, makes a nice change from Lannisters being de facto Royal Army…especially when mace is sent to Braavos an inexpicably has no Household guard
Cersei caused the deaths of Micah, Lady, and Ned. Arya will never forgive Cersei, unless she becomes ‘No One’. The person we saw in Blood of My Blood was Arya Stark and not No One. She was not empathizing with Cersei, but she was feeling sad for Lady Crane actress, whose well-rendered dialogues were about tragedy and cruelty of death. Arya’s conversation later has nothing to do with Cersei, (although we as viewers know that Arya’s estimate of Cersei was accurate) but herself. This was moments after she gazed at Ned’s head prop. At the end of conversation, when Lady Crane asks if Mercy like pretending to be other people, she answers ‘I have to go, my father is waiting’. She is leaving Braavos and Facelessmen, and she is doing that for her father. Avenging Ned involves killing/torturing Cersei. Arya may forgive Hound and Ilyn Payne because they were acting on orders, but Cersei had an active role in destroying Arya’s family. If she moves on, she will no longer be Arya Stark.
ETA: Also this was Cersei reacting to Joffrey’s death. There is no reason for Arya to feel bad. If Cersei was mourning Tommen or Myrcella, Arya might feel sadness or pity, but not in case of Joffrey.
I can’t wait for the BF scenes in RR. Plus, Bronn is also there. I detect there will be high levels of sarcasm thrown everywhere.
Bronn adding his own snark into the mix. It is going to be so good.
Flayed Potatoes,
would of been mad if a horse skull fell out dragon mouth during her speech as dragon lets a roar out hahahaha
darren,
Graphical illustration:
http://imgur.com/r/gameofthrones/fRz1dkg
This made me sad. (Got a thing for horses – I was more sad about Smiler and Dancer than men of Winterfell like Rodrik or Luwin)
Have to say that I’m actually looking forward to the adapted AFfC stuff concerning Jaimie and the RL, think it will be done well in the show
Also worth mentioning, people whinged about it not being included chronologically, but the placement of it in the show may end up making good sense
OMG
OMG
Finally…
DEEPWOOD MOTTE!!!
I think the next target is Loras. He is still in prison. HS can messed him up even more.
Same. But the river land storyline is looking juicy.
Also I honestly want more Kings Landing, I’m intrigued at the games people play there. They’re all one card away to put all their chips on the table
I bet the new target for the high sparrow will be The Mountain.
Connor,
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
Jack Bauer 24,
I’m not usually attracted to older men, but holy cow did he looks sexy in that preview.
Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger. NO NO NO, that can’t happen. Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
darren,
That would be awesome
aabe,
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey. I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
The north remembers!
So, so hyped to see Jansavos, Arya, Jaibron!
Myrmidon,
True, negotiations are going to be in Danys favor, but the Greyjoys do have a lot to offer her.
I imagine some Tyrion/Theon interactions will be involved. They actually met that one time! Tyrion surely will be surprised at the change he’s gone through.
Agree!!!
imjustsayin,
I would HATE that
Lulus Mum,
I think it’s both because if Arya remains intent on revenge she will have become the very thing she hates in others. And actually if she reminds herself about the death of her father she’ll remember Cersei opposed Ned’s execution.
I wonder if getting denied by Northern houses and seeing how reluctant the Wildlings are is what makes Sansa tell Jon about the Vale? I’m holding out hope that she doesn’t continue to lie about that, and I can’t imagine she keeps that information if they really are having trouble rallying the North.
Maybe the letter she’s writing in the preview is to the Vale forces?
They sure do, they have best navy in Westeros and Yara is a most capable commander, but I would expect Varys to be suspicious and perhaps question if it would be wise to trust them with the transportation of their entire army.
Yes they did, back when half the Starks were alive and Theon was too cocky for his own good! Can’t wait for them to meet, i do believe that we will be in for a treat!
On another note if it took them an episode to reach Volantis then it’s safe to assume that if Dany leaves Essos in the season finale then she will arrive to Westeros by next season’s premiere.
Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that. This is one of the deviations that really didn’t work well in the context of the characters. It severed the plot, not the characters. Since the decision wasn’t developed beforehand, the abruptness of it didn’t really make sense from the characters POV. Neither Littlefiger or Sansa would take such an unnecessary risk, especially as their first option. (Not to mention LF just leaving her there to handle it all alone, grrr.) A little more development might have worked it out, but the show didn’t spend/have time to. You just are forced to accept it and move on.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
Right. Up to this point young Arya has had a very black and white point of view about her enemies – but we saw some hints of her maturing with the Hound, the FM realized she didn’t hate him anymore before she realized it. She just wasn’t ready to see the other side. This was just another example of her maturing and realizing that her enemies are real people who also care about their family. It doesn’t mean that she will forgive or stop hating them, but like you said put other more important things, like reuniting with her family, above simply living for revenge.
Guys, I hate to break it to you. But that’s not Deepwood Motte. It’s not wooden.
viki,
You’ve also brought up an important point. Arya has been training at the temple of black and white (why didn’t I see this before) and has now come to the realisation the the world is not black and white but more nuanced and a patchwork of greys – and not surprisingly the also Stark family colour.
Definitely the wildling factor will be interesting in building their northern alliance. Skepticism will dominate the northern houses! I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
The “I did what I had to do to survive” does apply to Joffrey and Tyrion, but not Ramsay. She married him out of choice – her own plot with LF. Just because it went wrong, doesn’t mean the North has to help her take it back.
That is to say, most women at that time can’t fight against their husbands just because they don’t LIKE them. Sansa might have a harder time getting support – they need to emphasize Rickon
Simon,
I disagree a bit. Her ark is that she goes from innocent and pure to vengeful. She doesn’t have to come back from that, nor do I think she can. She has been corrupted as a child and that will stick with her. She almost has to die in the end. I think it would be poetic if she turned down happiness and returned herself the the House of Black and White after her list was completed and donated her face to the wall. Get one final scene with “Arya” assassinating someone.. Though we know it’s not her.
ash,
May the power of hot Jaime Lannister heal you!
QueenofThrones,
So not into SanSan.
Lulus Mum,
I went on the wagon for a while! My liver couldn’t take it. …Okay. Total lie. I have missed you all though.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I like the site activity too. I just worry about jumping in when I’m so far behind reading.
I do wonder if I’m going to need to peddle these nude selfies I have of you to D&D to get spoilers this hiatus. I mean, in case you thought I’d forgotten…
Ginevra,
I thought I was the only one who searched for my own ID! WoooHoo.
I love your idea about Hodor, but loved the way he went out as well.
I am going to take back my prediction that Arya dies this season. It’s next season. 🙂
Wimsey,
Littlefingers own advice to tywin. We only make peace with our enemies. Sansa can remember what happened at a later time and settle it then.
Well drat. I made a big long reply but it appears to be awaiting moderation. 🙂
Thanks for making me feel welcomed back.
HunterMac87,
I’m not against the idea that she has to come back to the temple of black and white but to do so she needs to become no one and to achieve that she has to let go of the past.
I’m not sure the temple will remain after the long night. Its more probable that all the institutions conceived in this world under a particular understanding will have that certainty undone. I’m seeing no throne, no kingdom, no gods.
HotPinkLipstick,
Lol!!!
How can Arya contribute to the story if she cannot evolve as a character anymore? Arya will prevail: the question is, how, and at what cost?
You’re right that the “I did what I had to do” excuse only applies to one of her marriages and not both. I hadn’t thought of that. The circumstances were vastly different, and I hope the show and Sansa don’t gloss over it when questioned by the Northern lords.
Angela,
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
If they are smart, then they will have the Wildlings stay away. It is not just that Northerners would attack a Wildling host: given that the bad feelings exist on both sides, it would be just too easy for a Wildling to “settle an old score” a la Lawrence of Arabia.
One thing that jumped out at me last week was the vehemence with which Tarley spoke of the Wildlings. If the southerners hate them so, then it really is small wonder that the Umbers were so desperate to cement an alliance with the Boltons. (But, then from what we see and read of the Wildlings’ deeds and feelings to the “southerners,” can we blame them?)
True! However, this can affect multiple scenarios. One reason why I’ve thought that Jon and Sansa are going to have troubles gaining allies is that this is the view we expect the Northerners to take towards the Boltons: no, we have not forgotten the Red Wedding, but a Wildling Invasion is a much more pressing matter.
That written, all of those things will get put on hold once they actually see wights and realize, sacred feces, they are real!
HotPinkLipstick,
I see it!
BunBunStark,
How about “I didn’t know Ramsey was a monster, now I know he is. Help me put him Down”.
Maybe. The Blackfish is a black sheep badass, so it is hard to predict what he’ll do. I don’t think he’s just going to hand the castle over to the enemy, no matter what his lord says. And I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing. If POTUS were kidnapped and held at gunpoint by enemy combatants, we should say, “We’re so sorry. You served us well. Your sacrifice will never be forgotten.” But we shouldn’t hand over the keys to the kingdom.
Josh L,
I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
I was thinking what’s that under the sheet..y is cersei looking at it ….untill I realised it was ollena’s head ….hehehe. ….
wow arya looks cool….and I want tyrion next episode ….
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
I am SanSan to the core (more in book verse) but agree that the sexual undertones where muted and probably side-stepped because Sophie was underage while filming. What I do think D&D did well was show Sandor’s protective nature towards both the Stark girls, when he had no reason to give a damn. I think Sansa got under his skin, same with Arya but for totally different reasons. And I loved that. I don’t think the tale between the three is over by any stretch (I still think Sandor is the “Knight” Sansa dreamed about growing up…just in an unexpected package and not necessarily romantically).
As for the age different between the actors, that is neither here nor there for me. I never expected for D&D to take the romantic route but even if they did, I don’t ship Rory and Sophie. So the age of the actor doesn’t matter (unless they are underage, then no thanks) as long as it works for the character.
Queenofthrones,
That doesn’t matter to be honest. At that day and age, a man who treats his wife brutally isn’t enough to go to war over.
The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Great pics. The Riverrun and North arcs seem exciting. Can’t wait for the North remembers speech
Simon,
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
Here’s how I see things:
Arya will face the waif and the true test will be revealed, like people have said, she will kill the waif, Jaqen will be pleased that she passed her final test, the waif losing hers. They part on good terms. The famous chase scene is not a chance at all, but Arya deciding to leave with the theatre troupe, swimming out to their boat that has just left port.
Btw o/t but Gendry is in bravos. He rowed to KL and stowed in a ship bound for Bravos, thus getting him far away from Meli and the other threats he faced as Roberts’ bastard. There, he has used his trade and found work in a smiths shop. The same shop that Tywin hired and brought over to rework Ned’s VS sword ice? iirc. Gendry will have apprenticed under him this whole time…somehow he makes it to slavers bay where Tyrion meets up with him and offers him a job as Dany’s royal Smith, bringing him back to Westeros.
LF wrote the letter to Jonsa and co. To bate them into battle against ramsey. What actually causes bastardbowl, is the Smalljon double cross twist, and poor Rickon’s death. It’s LF plan that the two forces decimate themselves, and he can bring the Vale forces in to clean up, thus fulling his goal to become the warden of the north on his way to conquering the 7 kingdoms.
Hold the door though cuz this backfires on LF. As he’s marching his army of the vale towards WF, with the army et al believing they are going to help, they see the battle has already,for the most part, occurred and the last of boltons remaining forces are defeated. Ramsey how ever thinks he can flee and attempts to escape More on this in a bit.
First, as LF orders his army to then turn on Jonsa and co, Lord (who I can’t remember his name at this point as this is just spewing from my head as I type but was the one who almost went thru the moon door when Robyn got his eagle) turns against LF and refuses to attack Stark men. The army is now under the control of this lord and LF is taken prisoner.
Meanwhile, as the Starks know their home better than anyone, Ramsey thinks he’s escaped only to see Sansa. In a moment that Ramsey is startled and already wounded in the Smalljon twist, Sansa drives a dagger slowly into his heart as she gives an amazing speech at how he hurt her so much but that killing him right there and now gives her so much satisfaction. And with that Ramsey meets his end, by the very hand of the person he hurt the most. Oh but did I tell u that at that moment, she feels a kick in her stomach and knows what it means. The death of a monster, is also followed by the confirmation of that monster’s child growing inside her…
Mean while LF is taken before Sansa after all the dust has settle. Through the assistance of Robyn who shows up at some point during the battle, and learns of the LF plot, orders LF to be thrown thru the moon door. But Sansa says something like screw that, and plunges the same dagger she used to kill Ramsey, into LF’s heart. Saying he’s used her for the last time a look of fear, sadness and remorse comes across LF face as he dies. Yup Sansa sure does have the redemption type season she said she would. The houses that are left standing proclaim her Queen of the North! After a long cheer Sansa looking like the queen she was meant to be, she clutched her stomach and begins to have a miscarriage. Blood dripping down her leg, she stands up straight and with a smile of relief and confidence we cut to black. Episode over.
Thoughts? Sorry about long post. This literally came to me as I typed it. It is known.
Beer Island,
We will see.
Well…
Maybe he’ll show his scars to prove that he’s fulfilled his oath
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in show that is an awesome way for that little battle in the north to play out , lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Queenofthrones,
Yes. Perfect. And I disagree that she had a choice – Littlefinger has her out in the middle of nowhere, giving her this ‘choice’ when she knows she has no place else to go. I’d give her a break, tho understand that the Northmen probably won’t.
HotPinkLipstick,
Hee, yeah Jamie Lannister would certainly help, you are sweet. Thanks for the good wishes 🙂
That was my first thought too! I really wish they would have put her in his quilted vest as a nod to him and a gift for those who pay attention.
I wonder if Arya gets to see Jaqen one last time. I think she knows she can’t risk it but that would be a sad end to their relationship. I am hoping for some kind of twist to this story before Arya grabs her water jet pack and heads back to Westeros. She honestly could be there by episode 8 at this rate.
Sean C.,
I thought Theon tricked the Ironborn into handing DM over to the Boltons, who promptly slaughtered them…
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book hinted ? because i had my own thoughts that Sam was gonna run into him when he takes a ship from where he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel = VS), so sails around to KL for wild fire(this is if its needed ,might just be dragond glass and steel melted together) and to dragon stone (which is where Gendry was rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam ask gendry who he is where he came from , he replies was blacksmith (sam like oh i need one of them ) was heading to join nights watch but shit happen ,then was going to join brotherhood without banner but shit happend ,now he rowing on way to KL (or was there when sam was getting wildfire in fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well im nights watch and convince him that they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry wants most family feels, so they go and start making VS and dragonglass arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i haven’t slept for ages lol.
HeHeldThatDoor,
LOL. ?
Karen,
You’re thinking of Moat Cailin.
From the preview, it might not end good for Sansa… she did have a choice in marrying Ramsay. She could have gone to the Northern houses instead and rally them, like she’s doing right now. Someone might point that out to her. Most of the Northern houses have lost many of their families/friends in Red Wedding… so her marrying into the Bolton traitors who were backed by the equally hated Lannisters will reduce her significance as the one with the Stark name, in the eyes of the Northerners. Although the bastard, Jon has more chance of getting support because he’s a leader and a war veteran. After all in medieval world, many respects strength.
I can see Rickon as the one they’ll rally for, and support Jon’s leadership in the battlefield. Sansa will be seen as ‘damaged goods’, which will possibly lead her to go back to Littlefinger. It sucks, which might end up getting true.
In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
Nadia,
I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her? NED told Sansa about the north’s loyalty to the Starks (episode 5). What about always needing a Stark in Winterfell? Were Ned, Tywin, Roose and everybody else wrong about the north’s devotion to the Starks? Which ultimately should overcome any misgivings the houses might have towards Sansa and Jon. Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
If the show goes that route, it feels like they are going back on an important Stark quality they have set up for many seasons.
Hi there! Thanks for the reply. Tbh, this was one of those Stairway to Heaven moments (although not anywhere near as good lets face it lol) where it just wrote itself and just flowed as I was typing! I have not read the books but plan to after the series is over. I want to experience this ride and then dig deeper with the back stories of the books.
Wouldn’t it work though? I think so. Cheers! 🙂
Ginevra,
I read your comments just for the tech lessons you give each week… lmao… 😉 JK…
No, I do not think this is plausible, because Arya-Face Waif does afterwards, it would not be things the real Arya would do. Also, how would this work as a book POV, where we can read the main characters’ thoughts?
I will be interested to see how Arya defeats the Waif, given that the Waif clearly out-classes her in any type of normal combat and anything related to Arya’s training by the faceless men. Needle would be insufficient, because the Waif would not assume Arya was incapable of arming herself…indeed, the Waif would assume the opposite.
Arya needs an ace-up-the-sleeve to win such a fight, and while the books have hinted at one
the show has not. It is not impossible that the show will do that even without the setup (indeed, that is my preference) but we will see. There has to be a logic behind how Arya can suddenly defeat someone who just days before totally p’owned her, and I am not seeing a lot of other great options. Hopefully it does not involve outside help. That would dramatically weaken her arc. She’s gotta earn this one on her own.
Nope. I have not read the books. And like you I thought something like u described here. But then I thought more likely he will meet Tyrion at some point who knows who he his if I’m not mistaken, though correct me if I’m wrong, and learns of his skill and trade. Knowing of the battle that is coming and thru assistance of kynvara (spelling) they enlist his skills. That’s how he gets back to Westeros. I remember an interview from the writers that said the battle while require everyone to come together to fight the real threat. Where as I see Sam knowing what a VS sword can do, I’m not sure if he and Gendry cross paths. More like the more people in different paths knowing what VS can do, the better. Now, they could entirely meet at some point and Gendry could rework Heartsbane into smaller weapons, mirroring what Tywin did. Hmm that works too. The beauty of these kinds of discussion is they can evolve from the original theory. I love that!!
I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
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Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
Sunday cannot come soon enough!
Lol!!
I hope that’s a good crazy face there?? Haha. Hey I had fun with it!!
Cheers!
Laura,
i think she will she Jaqen again . she will kill that chick after her give face to house black and white Jaqen will be happy and then tell her that he was told in the past to find her and train her by bran visiting the past which turns out why Jaqen a man with many face get caught in first place(bran prob tells him of her destiny and that if he helps her she will save him , which is true but its going to get her that put a man life in position needing to be saved lol), was on purpose to meet arya, his first test for her was would she help/give a stranger water if ask nice( save a stranger because there good) she was going to but other fucker didn’t ask nice demanding beer. Jaqen was happy with outcome even tho he got no water, this test is done again at the end of her training to see if she will still use what she learn for good , in refusing to kills some nice actor. death does not come for the wicked and leave the good , death wants his faces one way or another, another face must be added arya gonna be stealing good lives/faces from death and replacing there spot with wicked lives/faces. this is how she offers the names of her list to the many face god ,save someone good make bad guy take place , like what happen at start saves/stole 3 lives and replaces them jaqen help her with that .
Have they ever done two episodes in a row without Dinklage?
There was a casting call for a character where the description sounded suspiciously like Lord Manderly.
Oh is the
for real? That would be awesome then. Although I don’t think Littlefinger’s gonna die this season, in the next one most likely he will. Sansa must reconnect first with her cousin Robin and shift his allegiance to her if they don’t want him avenge his favorite Uncle Petyr’s death.
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Ravyn,
Shit has to go down in Harpy Town to make D’s arrival with a huge army significant and to help win over the slaves who are less than happy with her now, and to smash the Son’s of the Harpy once and for all.
Karen,
Will he ever know. Frey ain’t long for this world me thinks.
i don’t think that tyrion ever did meet gendry , unless u meaning he meets and hear he story over there at same time he hires him to make them like u said. and i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it . i think from tyrion point of view if he gets a blacksmith it would just be for normal swords for dany army to attack men holding the throne. noone but sam and the nights watch know about VS real use is for ww . rest world don’t believe in grumpkins and what not. as onion knight tells gendry he be safe in kinglanding kings guard didn’t know what he look like , only the redwomen new what he look like . so i don’t see why he would go all the way over seas anywhere in westeros be fine just not near stannis and red women area. unlike the imp who everyone new his face and name so he had to go accross the seas bit hard for him to take a new name but gendry golden for just new name , sorry for all things that make this hard to read (for the writting is dark and full or errors lol )
The Glovers don’t technically hold a Lordship, am I right? So is the correct title Master Glover? Anyway, Robett looks like he’s going to be a real jerk about things. Could be ’cause Sansa married a Bolton, and Jon is seen as an Oathbreaker and Wildling lover. Maybe he’s having a FML moment. He did lose his brother at the Red Wedding (on the show I assume), and just took back Deepwood Motte from the Greyjoys.
Louis,
true! 😉
Tyrion was more contemplative of Mormant’s note than others, but we should not expect that he believes that White Walkers exist. To put it in modern terms, it is like two people hearing that there are lots of UFO sightings in an area. The Pycelle equivalent just dismisses it as too many people drinking, smoking or something-elsing too much. The Tyrion equivalent does think some odd is happening: but he/she think that it’s some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, or perhaps a nearby military base testing something new and not terribly secretly. Neither of them think “It’s aliens!” because that is absurd. As Samwell’s little brother said: “There’s no such thing.” Still, that does not mean that the Wildlings are not up to something nasty.
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
ems,
How many Broken Men are there and what does this episode intend to say about what a broken man might still achieve? Or if achievement is even the issue. Anybody have any ideas what the theme will be built into?
Bran, Theon, the Hound, Frankenmonster, Benjen, …
I might have added Tyrion and Varys, but both of them seem to have overcome their injuries and mental damage and seem to be functioning as whole humans. Yet, they have been profoundly damaged in the past, so would probably qualify. Maybe to show that broken men can still find worth in the eyes of the world and in their own eyes. I’m just thinking off the top of my head now. Can’t wait until Sunday
That was before the Wildlings invaded. That is a major emergency for the Northerners, as Wildling raiding parties are enough to keep major stretches of the North uninhabitable. Now thousands of them are in Westeros. (We know that the number able to fight is low and that they are in bad shape: but they would assume that all of the Wildlings present are there to raid, and the number of Wildlings south of the Wall would grow with every retelling.)
The lords of the Northern houses also have sworn oaths to protect their vassals, their peasants and their towns. Moreover, the Starks are sworn to help them do so: a vow that the Starks are not fulfilling very well owing to their destruction! So, from their point of view, they have a choice: they can fulfill one set of oaths and possible survive, or another set of oaths and almost certainly perish.
Remember, the other Northern houses do not exist to prop up the Starks. They exist to perpetuate themselves. For a long while, being the Starks’ liegemen helped that. Now, it not only is not helping, but it might be hindering. We should look at this not as “loyal=good, disloyal=bad”: but instead recognize that the Northerners are going to be stuck between enemies, and that their first obligations are to their peoples, not to the Starks.
Well, those who do go up against the Boltons basically are revolting against Kings Landing. Tommen (or perhaps Joffery), or people acting in one of their names, appoint the Wardens. The locals can like it or lump it. Here, some of them might be lumping it.
However, one thing to note is that it would be the Wardens job to organize the people in his ward given invasion of any sort or another. In the books, Ned is realizing that he probably is going to have to rally the North against Mance, as Ned strongly suspects that Mance is the cause of the problems behind the Wall and that Mance intends to invade Westeros. Technically, it’s now Ramsay’s job to rally the North against invasion.
Lmao! Or the Dingo ate it…
Or the horse ran off with the Bolton dog pack.
Exciting photos this week!
I can’t believe Ladle Bitch is following Marjory around like a human house arrest ankle bracelet.
Sunday won’t be here fast enough.
The return of the Blackfish has me unbelievably excited. Of course, being a Stark father figure, he’ll probably be killed this season.
ems,
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
Ramsey wrote to him that she was “poisoned by our enemies” 🙂
🙂
For anyone holding out Stoneheart hope, this quote from GRRM himself will probably not be music to your ears: http://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/01/george-r-r-martin-confirms-something-important-about-lady-stoneheart/
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die. The Faceless Men, have a strange sense pragmatism.
I don’t think they will go after Arya if she has killed the Waif, or rather I doubt they will pursue her within Westeros. I don’t think this is a final test for Arya, more likely it was a final test for the Waif, if gets killed by Arya then she just wasn’t good enough. Or it could be a test for both, for Arya it finally shows that she will never be No One, and for the Waif might also be a test of her skills attitude. One of them will die, it seems like it does not particularly matter to the Faceless men who will ultimately die.
Names could be removed from Arya’s list, it does not mean that she will personally get to kill those people. Most of the people who have been removed from her list wasn’t killed by her personally.
It will be good to have her back in Westeros.
I must admit that Northern storyline is frustrating me a little bit to some degree.
It is obvious that Sansa and Jon would have some points against them, but look at who they are going up against, the worst person/ bastard within Westeros.
He has already begun to flay minor Lords. There is no way that Ramsay would be of any help during the Winter.
Ramsay will do what he wants and he would kill whoever he wants. He already killed his father, stepmother and brother. If he can kill his own family like that, then you have no guarantees, and everyone in the North knows that he is is responsible for killing his family. On top of it the Boltons are also responsible for a lot of Northern deaths.
Really the coming winter alone should make them want to get rid of Ramsay, he would rather kill someone and feed that person to his dogs, then to feed someone.
The Bolton army was already very strong last season, did he really need the biggest allies in the north? A fight between those Bolton forces and the Wildlings could have been more than enough. I perfectly understand why the Karstark would join Ramsay, but the Umbers could just as easily have used Rickon to blackmail Jon against the wildlings, rather than going to Ramsay.
But all of these details doesn’t really matter that much, the problem is more about the scenario that they setting up and recreating here.
They are creating a very regular battle, something that they have done before something that they have actually with done every big battle so far.
One force struggles and almost loses, and then a third party comes to the rescue. The Starks will struggle and they will almost be completely lost until the Vale arrives to save the day.
It has already been established that Southern armies tends to suffer in the North during winter time, if the Vale arrived refreshed at this battle it will be a bit of a contradiction. They are also not really supposed to just get past Moat Caillin.
There is obviously some justifiable question marks against Jon and Sansa, but the North don’t really have any realistic reason to support Ramsay before the Starks. Fear is a good motivator against Ramsay but ultimately he is just too unstable. There is nothing to indicate that Ramsay wouldn’t just torture and kill them off at some stage.
They may not believe that Jon was resurrected, but he could still show them his wounds and tell them about the assassination attempt. Jon also has the letter of Ramsay as proof of his intentions. Even if Jon was still in the Nights Watch it would not be too strange for him to go around within the North and try to enlist some support against Ramsay’s threats.
Jon and the leaders of the Nights Watch before him also sent out many letters asking for support against the Wildings. No one in the North tried to help or offer any support, thus Jon dealt with the Wildlings with the tools that was available to him at the time. They know perfectly well that Jon has asked for support.
It wouldn’t be easy for anyone to believe that the White Walkers are back, most people wouldn’t believe it. Most people also don’t believe in giants, they have Wun Wun. Even if the people still dont believe in the White Walkers after seeing Wun Wun, it might still give them a bit of pause. It shows that there at least might be some truth to some of these ancient stories.
Sansa could just claim that she was betrayed by Littlefinger and that he sold her to the Boltons.
They might have question marks against Jon and Sansa, but they also have some proof to support what they are saying.
The support between the different houses could be handled a bit more subtly. Right now it is all very straight forwardly, a strong unbeatable Bolton force, with the biggest houses in the North, against the delipidated Stark force, that includes Wildlings and a few people from some small houses.
While on the other hand it feels like they are trying to add almost too much intrigue in order to delay Cersei’s trial within Kings Landing. They are dragging out her big moment of vengeance until episode 10.
And then there is Jon, they haven’t done anything with his resurrection. They could just as well have let Jon receive Ramsay’s letter and he could have left the Night Watch, by his own choice without being killed. That would actually/ have resulted in more character development then having him killed off and be brought back from the dead. His resurrection isn’t even giving him the support of the Wildlings. It sometimes just seems like the Starks have to work to hard for any support, it becomes a bit repetitive.
He is suppose to have a big story this season, but he has barely spoken a few words. Which might imply that they are treating his season in a similar fashion to season 4. He did not do much until the Battle of the Wall. We will again likely see more of action Jon then anything else. It was great to finally have a Stark reunion, but I am not sure that they the time or the material to develop both Sansa and Jon at the same time. Perhaps it would have better if they had kept their stories separately.
But all of this properly sounds a lot more critical than I really meant to imply. I also know that you sometimes need a bit of patience in this show. It is really difficult for them to move forward with all of these different plot lines.
I do hope that this episode will show some of the interesting dynamics that is at play in the North.
Watch Black Death, he’s pretty grim in that. It’s got Sean bean in it too!
HotPinkLipstick,
It wasn’t really nonsense though. The debate wasn’t purely speculative but fueled by an interview Sophie gave and a line by one of the D’s from “inside the episode.”
That would make little sense from a storytelling pov.
The faceless are supposed to be the most sought after Assassins in asoiaf. How would the death of Arya/the Waif instead of Lady Crane satisfy the person who has paid the faceless for their service?
Unless there was never a contract and Jaqen made it all up as a test for Arya.
We have never been told why Ser Joer Mormont joined the NW. Perhaps he knew something, and consequently his niece also knows it.
Boudica,
I agree with almost everything you say. Jon’s resurrection seems almost purposeless right now. It would have been better for Jon’s character development, if he had decided to leave the NW after getting the PL without all this death and resurrection drama, (or maybe just have him be wounded badly after his NW brothers attacked him) which only served to give him a convenient out from his vows and nothing else.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
Boudica,
I agree with you. A lot of the obstacles feel forced and Ramsay has been ridiculously overpowered. I’m pretty upset as well with how they handled Jon’s post-resurrection arc so far. I’m hoping Jon gets something to do besides swing a sword in the coming episodes. Maybe the possible arrival of Bran will give Jon more character development (but that won’t happen this season for sure). I’m pretty annoyed LF is being shoved into this storyline too.
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
Flayed Potatoes,
The picture of Jansavos shows Jon in the middle and he seems like the one talking. Let’s hope he’s being presented as the leader/general of this campaign and that he’d have some compelling things to say.
I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
Funny, I was busy at work and didn’t see these until this morning and what was the first thing I said? BRONN!!!! Pics are amazing and I’m soooooooo hyped too:)
ghost of winterfell,
I was always under the impression he will be revived because he’s one of those 3 prophetical icons , not just simply as a means to get out of the NW.? So either the show is going a different route so as not to spoil things for Martin’s readers, prophecy is not real and are simply exaggerated stories handed down through many generations (I think GRRM alluded to this being the case?) or we’re going to have watered down Jon up until the very last season when voila his sword lights up in glorious flames. I feel like such a nerd wanting that to happen. Actually I don’t even know if I still want it to happen. Just when I first started watching and then read about it I thought it would be cool to see later on, from a character building POV, not just for the visuals, if that makes any sense.
Jon/sansa/fqvos is interesting
Would imagine different ones would take the lead with different Lords, except Mel perhapd but i reckon she comes to the fore as any Targ ancestry of Jon comes to fore
And Tormund with Wildlings
All with awkwatrd angles, eg Jon as yo whether he’s a Watch deserter, Davos as to him serving Stannis.and being a Southron and Sansa as to being Sansa Lannister or Sansa/Lady Bolton given er, her husband is now Lord Bolton and Lannister/Baratheon Warden of the North…
Mel is missing in the preview and the pictures. I wonder if she’s still with Jansavos. She’d become so meek and melancholic and understandably so, given her tragic mistakes with Stannis. She and Jon need to form a support group soon!
Who else could it be? ?
I too am surprised at how little focus there has been on Jon up to now but Kit has said that a) he was on set for this season more than any other cast member and b) there is one episode which is basically Jon’s story.
Therefore what with the battle in Ep9 and probably Ep10 being his story, (which are also very long episodes) plus he’s reappearing in Ep7, it seems that the lack of Jon is about to change.
What I would like to see – LF thinks he has successfully divided Jon and Sansa, and that Sansa will see him as the savior after the battle, only to be faced with a
united Jon and Sansa in the Winterfell Godswood. (The shot in the trailer where he looks like he has seen a ghost) and he realizes that whatever plans he had for Sansa and the North have failed miserably. But this is GOT, so probably exactly the opposite happens 🙂
ygritte,
The way the show has presented the prophecies makes me think we should not take any of them very seriously. So no idea if we will see any flaming swords 🙂
Regarding Jon yes, he will be important in the end game along with Dany and Bran.
i don’t think you read what i wrote . or more likely u didn’t get that what i wrote was , me saying/replying why he wouldn’t of known about the need to have VS swords , what u should of done was send what u wrote to the guy i was replying to , as what u say is backing up what i said to other guy, why Tyrion wouldn’t of known that he going to need to have VSswords because he doesn’t understand the treat that the ww pose , which is what the other guys said he gets gendry to make VSsword for danny , when i think it more likely it be making for night warth because they know ww threat and know that VS kill ww so would have purpose to make them ,as tyrion purpose only calls for normal sword .so he would just get made normal ,no reason he would pay exstreame/prob work out like 30 times price of normal sword for 1 vs sword (depending on price to get material needed or time ot craft ) just so army can look good with vs swords . i hope this comes accross as nice .
Sorry. It’s a hard habit to break. #chicago But searching for your name is quite useful for finding where you left off reading, too.
for me (keeping my hope up little longer) i think the broken man going to be about Hodor. we only lost him 2 episodes ago and the last one follows right after the one before it . and we learn that u can save a man /benjen from death after being killed and mid of being turned, this has all happen in the same day as hodor death scene (going by fact MEERA wouldn’t of been able to drag him for that long so must happen straight after). so i think bran know knowing this way to save and thinking of hodor going out same way, tries and succeeds in making warg contact with hodor almost dead and he puls out dragon glass he made hodor take from Sam at the wall . also for fact that raven sent for him .guessing raven did indeed know what would happen to hodor , this prob also accounts for the all of a sudden appearance of his uncle , just like the sudden appearance of the dead army . both just happen but were set in motion a while ago.
Ravyn,
i think because that we are past the point in where bran has his powers so that from now on the good people will not die(without it being a hero sacrifice) , its all being turned around to make the ending that bran will be happy with( men winning over the dead). time for the bad to lose and the good to win, unlike before where it was good lost bad win .
Sam,
that and a lot more ……hopefully ……..
Jack Bauer 24,
Im still hoping she wont take the dortraki to westeros
I see where Simon is coming from. There is a moment near the end of the play, where PlayCersei is truly distraught, that Arya abruptly stops laughing and looks truly serious, contemplative, almost empathetic. When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position and doing such an excellent job of it that she impresses the professional actress: “Do you like pretending to be other people?”
But I’m not certain I’d call it empathy. I’m thinking that, being a Faceless Man in Training, Arya has not truly learned to become No One, but she has learned more about becoming Any One. You must understand who you want to become: you think like them, you dress like them, you walk and talk like them #baloo, you act like them, and you feel like them. Even if you don’t take their face, becoming your enemy and understanding your enemy is a useful tool in defeating your enemy #ender.
Arya does seem to be on an arc toward becoming less vengeful, as well. She’s empathasized with the Hound, at the very least. Her list is shorter. She’s not quite done with vengeance yet, and she’ll likely put her newly acquired assassin skills to good use before she is, but evidence of such an arc exists.
ghost of winterfell,
hmm, I think the resurrection will also come in to play with Melly and Jon being the prince who was promised… so going forward with the war against the long night, there will be focus on jon being the one to beat them.
Josla,
well now that he has gotten the king to say to everyone they are equal (twin pillars of the world) he will turn to bring king down leaving just 1 pillar the faith .by proving Cersei guilty in lose of trail by combat , is also way gods saying the lies about her si/ kids are true which is why god let cersei die.
Halfman,
can we get him in episode 8 as well??? pleeeeeeeeeeeease
ghost of winterfell,
ugh
im so over LF
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship. 🙂
Sue the Fury,
So a threesome? Nice. hahaha
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
Left up to me, that’s a big Yes!! 🙂
Halfman,
oh I hope sooo
Wimsey,
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
Get outta here with this mess. If (not sure how he hasn’t yet) Walder found out his grandson (potential heir to WF) was eaten by dogs he’d NEVER EVER forget it. Robb broke a betrothal and got his mom, wife, unborn child and himself killed. Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Dee,
Terribly sorry i was meant as a reply to your comment about Jon .
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
Myrmidon,
The other thing with prophecy is that they are often written by the unhinged, addled and mischievous.
Dee,
Haha you’re funny 🙂 The brief visual that popped into my head with the word threesome and these character, not a pleasant one lol
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
Simon,
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
Myrmidon,
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
I definitely think it will be a collective effort
Chad Brick,
Gods I hope not.
Indeed
ygritte,
LOLS
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individuals in his family. Yes, “Frey” is important to him: but not any one of them in particular.
The question is: what is Jon’s reaction going to be when he learns the “why” of the Walkers? They are not some arbitrary “evil”: they are basically formers slaves who rose against their masters and their masters’ enemies. Jon showed unusual willingness to put himself in his enemies shoes with the Wildlings: that is going to be important.
Of course, the character for whom this will be most important is Daeny. The Walkers biggest analog are the Unsullied. And Daeny has just as much of a “Saving People Thing” as Jon does.
Incidentally, it is not that
Or at least that is how I read it!
Some day, someone should do a study on the evolution of net-speak.
Indeed! That is a really good point. We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past. Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters. “I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list. (One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy. They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires. All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
Ménage à trois. Cool. And neither Jon nor Davos are Sansa’s two living husbands. She’s got a fully fledged harem. Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
The odd thing is that if Jon’s suspected parentage had been known (assuming that most of us are correct, anyway), then nobody would think twice about the two of them marrying in that world. Of course, they also would not have been raised as siblings.
We also have to learn just what happened to the first prince to understand what the full implications of this are. Neither books nor show has been very forthcoming about that. (Even the book provides only two different vague summaries, with some important differences but more important commonalities.)
But, I tend to agree: the Prince will be a duality or a trinity. Babylon 5 did something like this but over time: there was The One: but the One that Was, the One that Is, and that One that Will Be. (B5 also was written by an atheist raised by Catholics: funny how this sort of thing happens!)
Dee,
I agree with that but I do believe that there won’t be time for that in this season, given how much packed his storyline is with him and Sansa reclaiming the north. Maybe next season then?
Ginevra,
They have been numb and got around to it by watching too much Cercei and Jaime. “No big deal, its just incest, Cercei does it”
Chad Brick,
Like I said yesterday, I would take any thirdhand report like this with a huge grain of salt. People have a way of exaggerating or misunderstanding what GRRM says, and I don’t consider this source valid enough to report on, frankly.
D&D have said it. Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over. It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
Clearly we need to start “shipping” Sansa and Daeny. Clearly, men just don’t do enough for them!
😀
Wimsey,
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individual
True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
Some people ship Jon and Sansa, I don’t really care since I’ve seen it all in fandom, and well, we watch a show where a sibling couple is canon. But yeah, skip the combined names if you’re not talking about shipping!
But… but.. those were the two most important pages in the umpteen thousand pages of the books so far!
😀
At any rate, if LSH ever was going to appear, then it would have been this season. That has not happened. My suspicion is that LSH simply will never be that important in the tale: at most, she’ll be a plot device that can be (and possibly already has been) easily replaced.
Myrmidon,
I don’t think we will see that this season either, though I was hopping for another conversation regarding his resurrection , because its quite a big thing.
Wimsey,
Im definitely interested in the back story.
Sue the Fury,
Thank you for the heads up!
Ginevra,
But they lied about Jon also?
(I don’t want that character in the show – so hope she doesn’t appear)
Wimsey,
She is important, if Jaime is important , she is.
No, he would not have been a Frey claim. In this world, he is a Bolton, and no Freys would be put in line for inheriting Winterfell in anyway – if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys. All this would possibly do is provide cousins who ruled both Winterfell and Riverrun, which often made for easier alliances. And, of course, given that Ramsay was legitimized, Walder’s grandson(s) would be in line behind Ramsay and his sons.
At any rate, we also have to keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories. They would hear the one that Ramsay put out of course. They would hear other, darker stories of course: but in this world, there would always be other, darker stories around any such death. Moreover, as there is no reason why anyone in the south would know what a psycho Ramsay is, Walder would not have any prior evidence for this. (Yes, Show!Walder knows that Ramsay torched Winterfell: but one would not extrapolate going Carthage on an enemy with later feeding his step-mother and half-brother to the dogs; after all, Tywin Lannister would have done the former without surprising anyone, but it would have shocked people if he had harmed a true-born Lannister half-brother.)
My other bet is that Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this! Yeah, that’s a shocker….. 😀
Sue the Fury,
We could just call them the “I’ve Slept With Enemies” (ISWE) alliance. That would be in contrast to the “We Hate Each Other” alliance in Kings Landing, or the “Have Dragons Will Return” alliance in Essos.
I’m with Mel on this one: Jon is TPTWP and AAR. And I’m not alone in that theory. Based on the poll BBF did this summer, 59.3% of us thought Jon was AAR:
Even though, as BBF says, Jon won a plurality on every site, he didn’t win a majority on every site, with only 38.9% of Westeros.org believing Jon is AAR. The other sites were within 3% of exactly half believing Jon was AAR.
So much explaining to do! I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
Oh no. I used Jansavos mainly because I was lazy to type all their names. Not proud to say that. From now on I’ll just use Team Stark to refer to them. 🙂
There is always a fine-line to walk here. In particular, cinema/TV works by the rule “show, don’t tell.” Now, they do have a device for showing what really happened. However, what is almost as important here is what people believe happened. And that can be done only with speaking.
I suppose that what they can do is just have Bran see it, and then show us that Jon, Daeny, etc., know it after being with Bran. That will tell the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) that the conversations happened without boring the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) with the actual conversation.
Still, at some point, the main characters themselves have to reach some “put themselves in the grand scheme of things” moment where their own life-histories make it all work for them. At least I hope so: there is always the chance that this could degenerate into a typical epic fantasy where it’s a plot moment, not a character moment that makes all the difference.
My bet is that it is going to take wights, to be honest. Right now, I think that the challenge is: convince Northerners that Boltons are bigger enemies than are Wildlings. And that would be really tough: yes, the Boltons have bad recent history, but they have co-existed with Boltons for centuries, whereas they never have co-existed with Wildlings, and Wildlings make Boltons look quite tame.
But as for the White Walker stories, well: Northerners might believe that they once existed (unlike southerners): but actually seeing wights would be a shocking “good grief: the old stories really are true!” moment for them, sort of like actually finding Excalibur would be for us. The one realistically possible exception to this is House Mormont: because the Old Bear was from that House. (That house has one other big plus for Team I Sleep with Enemies: Bear Island rarely if ever has Wildling problems, being instead subject to Iron Born problems.)
Wimsey,
Maybe they shouldn’t have burned those 4 LCslayers! Would have come in handy had they turned into wights!
Yes, you are correct. If that were the only evidence, we wouldn’t know. But Jon was dead for 1 entire episode. Catelyn has been dead for 27 full episodes. She was only alive for 29 full episodes, and she only appeared in 25 episodes. She’s spent three years lying in a river. There would be no flesh left.
Dee,
Hm but in reality is it? Or do we as an audience deem it so for Jon is portrayed as a hero in this tale? I mean Beric Dondarrion has been ressurected half a dozen times , shouldn;t he be deemed more important? If he wasn’t then why does he keep coming back,what’s so special about him? But we are not particularly fond of him , he is just a minor character whom we briefly met during the 3rd season whilst Jon is one of the main characters so we are bound to think that there’s something extraordinary about it . Mind you I wouldn;t be surprised if it was just an act to show off Rhillor’s power.
The real question is if Mel and Thoros can have such powers whilst being ordinary priests what can High Priesess like Kinvara do ,given the opportunity ;).
Myrmidon,
Mel is a high priestess as well no ?
And regarding Jon, yes again, I agree with you. But The people surrounding Jon don’t know about Beric… so what I meant was it is a big thing to the people around him – or at least it should be. And yes Mel does know that Beric came back many times, but she DID say to Jon he was the prince who was promised. So, to her, it is also a big thing.
Mel has changed though, she is now just following Jon around, rather than tell him what to do. She learnt from her mistakes.
As McInnerny is playing Glover, I think it is likely that Glover was this casting notice:
http://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-casting-for-another-season-six-lord
Wimsey,
No, he would not have been a Frey claim.
Good luck explaining that to Walder.
if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys.
Unless Sansa’s pregnant, then Ramsay is the last Bolton. Kill him and it’s fair game.
keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories.
I am not buying the different stories/whispers. Smalljon didn’t buy it. Why would Walder? Father, Mother and baby all die within a short time? Maybe one Walder’s sons buy but Walder has been billed as cunning and too clever. He’s paranoid too.
Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this
Kill them off before they ask too many questions (see Dorne for details).
That’s my rant for the day.
Jon Snow the prince that was promised? What has he got going in his story as evidence for this belief? Its Daenerys.
A passage from ‘A Feast for Crows’
‘On Braavos, it had seemed possible that Aemon might recover. Xhondo’s talk of dragons had almost seemed to restore the old man to himself. That night he ate every bite Sam put before him. “No one ever looked for a girl,” he said. “It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought… the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.’
Dee,
Nope, both HBO’s viewers guide and the ASOIAF wiki describe her as a red priestess and tbh with you i do think that if she was a high priestess she wouldn’t just be roaming around alone, she would have minor priests or someone with her. Back in season 3 Thoros revealed that he was sent to Westeros in order to preach about the Lord of Light and convert nobles and commoners alike, maybe Mel was sent in a similar mission?
Mel was in such a horrid place after she found out that her interpretations of her visions were dead wrong so I do believe that she wants to believe in something to help her get through the day so Jon’s ressurection came in handy.
Now has she? Sure she is still under shock from what happened last season but hat didn’t stop her from trying to find another candidate for the “Chosen One” title so soon which makes me think that she has a few things left to learn. True she has taken the backseat for now but let’s wait and see what happens when she gains her confidence back.
Dee,
Kinvara (red priestess from episode 5) is the High Priestess of the Lord of Light. So it’s not Melisandre.
Myrmidon,
Markus Stark,
Interesting
I didn’t think there could be only one.
Knight of the Walkers,
That casting notice didn’t specify a Northern accent, which all the other casting notices for Northern lords have, so I don’t think that’s Glover (that part also shot over two weeks).
h haven’t read the books , after reading what u said , salt being tears, and adding smoke being smoke from a funeral fire a pyre is it called i think. Jon was born this way surrounded by tears of loss of mother and smoke from her pyre. also Tyrion was born this way ,death of mother for tears and smoke form pyre( atm there been no priestess help tyrion thinking he TPTWP yet but they do seem attracted to him maybe something to come ). it might all of been set up in the past to make it so the red women and priestess would look for TPTWP and in so get lead to help Jon in set up for things to come. and also help Danny get her setup for things to come . i don’t think we will ever see some godlike person , was just a big trick played to pull them into service . in the end i think it gonna be Jon leads with the north( and green dragon) Tyrion will lead lannister men i think thats the east (on a golden yellow dragon) and dany on her dragon leading the rest ,
BranTheBlessed,
the young actress goes to the house of black and white and is like why isn’t that target been killed yet ? Jaqen replies death is certain a time is not lol.
Dee,
Well she is presented as the Flame Truth, the Light of Wisdom and the First Servant of the Lord of Light. So it definitely makes it sound as though she is the leader of the religion, if she is the First Servant, there can’t be another.
Plus she says she will summon her most eloquent priests, so clearly ordinary priests work under her. Melisandre doesn’t have anyone working under her, plus she’s all the way in Westeros, and has been there working alone for years. The High Priestess would probably be in Volantis most of the time, as that is where the main temple of the Lord of Light is.
And I guess someone has to be the leader right ?
But of course I could be mistaken, it’s just my interpretation 🙂
HeHeldThatDoor,
I would say that Ramsay hurt Theon the most.
Markus Stark,
You’re not mistaken, your analysis is spot on and it coincides with both the wiki and HBO’s viewers guide.
Markus Stark,
interesting! I like it!!
What Dany missing is vision, she has charizma for be a leader, but long-term vision and strategie … Nahh… What after she conquers the seven kingdoms? She can’t even have descendants as far as we know. She’ll take what it’s hers, for after her death, to give to someone else. For now she is the only knowing living Targaryan. She want to take Westeros to rule with no plan for after; Yes , maybe Jon is one of them but again it isn’t in her knowledge. But with the chaos in the Seven kingdoms and plus with the winter comming from the nord, she has still a part to play and becomes savior it’s just the perfect moment. I think she won’t rule, she’ll die during the battle with the Others, that goes well with what we saw on the show with her vision, she goes to King’s Landing (after Cersei burned it) then she’ll fight the Others ’till the nord and there she will ”rejoin” khal Drogo. She’ll be the conqueror but not the ruler. And as George R.R. Martin ispiration is real history than we can see clearly that she’s going to die. Veni vidi vici goes well with the caracter of Daenerys but as in real history no one who dreamt of ruling the whole world finished by doing it. So yes possibly she is Azor Ahai, the one who will save the world, but that it’ ll be it. She won’t be the queen who ll rule.. Better sweet end. Just my opinion, maybe i’m wrong . Sorry for the bad English , it’s not my tongue maternel.
I’m thinking that Robett Glover is bringing some bad news to the Starks. Maybe something went down at Castle Black. His face in the trailer looks more sad than “fuck your house I’m staying in mah motte.”
BranTheBlessed,
Thats kinda what i thought, Jaquen made up the contract. How could this b grade actress in a play afford the Faceless Men. But i also think its lame if Arya just kills the Waif and is set free. The FM dont seam like a group you can be brought into and just leave when you’ve had your run with it. She knows their secrets, she is a liability. I think her face will have to end up on the wall in the long run. Maybe Jaquen lets her complete her quest to take her out quietly in the end, once she has found peace.
Sean C.,
It doesn’t specify that no, but I think there is a reasonable chance that it is him (not that it matters). We’ve only got four episodes left, and we definitely haven’t had a scene with the actor from the casting description yet. Some features (e.g. haggard) definitely fit, and I think McInnerny meets a lot of the other requirements too. Personally I think it is him, but as I said it doesn’t really matter either way (although if it isn’t him I guess we’ll have another great scene to look forward to later on in the season as it was described as the best remaining part ).
New pictures at:
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery7/gallery.htm
Nothing spectacular …
More photos from ep 7!! From a Greek site:
http://m.oneman.gr/keimena/diaskedash/watchlist/game-of-thrones/14-fwtografies-apo-to-epomeno-game-of-thrones.4095017.html
Great photos, damn.
Rhaenys Stark,
Wow, how did they get hold of them? I know for a fact that the guy who writes the reviews has connections in the US but even so it seems a bit weird that they would be the first to release them
Hoyti Von Totiy,
AMAZING photos!
My girls are gonna go cray cray for Jamie LOL
That shot of Riverrun is beautiful, too bad it’s really blurry.
Can we discuss Marg’s new CONSERVATIVE dress.
And Cersei’s ‘Youre all dead meat” face.
Myrmidon,
Glorious shot of Riverrun that isn’t posted at farfaraway!!!
Mmmmm… armor.
I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
Please let it be the back of Jaime’s gold hand.
Dutch Maester,
Yep ,that’s what made me wonder.
Myrmidon,
Yeah I have no idea my boyfriend visits this site often and saw them a little while ago. Is this castle Riverrun? It looks glorious.
Are you Greek too, Myrmidon? 😀
Rhaenys Stark,
Yes it is. We saw it once in the distance in 3.03, but this is obviously a much better view 😀
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/0c/Riverrun.png/revision/latest?cb=20150407004747
And it also greatly resembles its depiction in the opening credits (thinking about it, we’ll probably see it pop up again between KL and WF!)
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/02/Riverrun_Title.png/revision/latest?cb=20130416082431
GeekFurious,
Armor really is great. This might be a good forum for you, if you enjoy it as much as I do.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/armour-of-game-of-thrones.226810/
Still Jamie is back to being his old asshole season 1 self. A few punches to Walders face don`t amend for him going back to Cersei like a dog…
What they are doing to Jamies storyline arc… im hoping they kill him off this season before it gets worse. We know Freys and Lannisters will celebrate taking Riverun later in the show as seen in the trailers. Maybe Jamie dies there with his Frey friends….
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
HotPinkLipstick,
bahahahaha I knew it
hence my earlier comment
THX for this!
When i see how armored Lannister and Tyrell soldiers are, Starks in their pure leather outfits look weak, same as Freys.
Rhaenys Stark,
Oh I see! Between us wouldn’t be surprised if Thodoris pulled some strings .
Could be Riverrun , the architecture is reminiscent of the buildings we briefly saw back in season 3.
Yep but I was raised in the States so I consider myself to be American as well!
Hoyti Von Totiy,
so bring back blackfish and edmure only for them to die
#annoying
Hoyti Von Totiy,
As someone who hasn’t read the books, I have no idea why everybody keeps saying Jaime is Cersei’s lapdog or w/e.. Doesn’t seem like that to me at all.
Do i remember correctly from the books that Riverrun has the capability to flood the area around the castle in a defensive state so there is only one way in and out?
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
I think they had photos from NOVA(Is the channel who broadcast GOT in Greece) !!!! I love Oneman ,i always read there summaries from GOT !!!!
I just LOVE this shot of Riverrun, as impressive as I’d hoped. It certainly looks consistent with the S3 split second shot we got, as well as the book description! The set looked amazing too from the photos we saw, so I’m really looking forward to these scenes.
They went to a LOT of trouble building this set for what was apparently only a day and a half shoot, so I’m guessing this is gonna be a crucial scene in some way.
Dee,
Can you blame me? Not only is it some amazing costume porn, it’s Nikolaj in all his glory. The most attractive man in Westeros, newly released from the Kingsguard and possibly looking for a woman.
Let’s hope he finds a tall, ugly one in blue armor who is already familiar with his sword 😉
BlueRoseofWinterfell,
Έλα ρε πατρίδα 😛 We are GoT-obsessed here in Greece.
Could this episode be the one with
BlueRoseofWinterfell</str
Oh I see , makes sense since Theo also works as a freelancer there. Yep his reviews are pretty good, I always check them out every Tuesday although I must admit i donnot visit the website's other sections!
aww look at Jon and Arya connecting to each other through the same hairstyle.
HunterMac87,
That is correct. It’s explained in one of Catelyn’s chapters.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I don’t know if you’ve read the books but the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin. Which means that yes, there will certain traits of how he was in S1 come to the fore again. His story with Brienne doesn’t mean he’s entirely different person. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t changed either. What I mean to say is: I don’t get what you’re complaining about.
Where’s Jon’s belt and sword? They’re missing
Arya looks like she is on a foreign market somewhere in Braavos, looking for the ride home….
Could that last shot be the Quiet Isle / the Saltpans? The figure in the foreground looks like a septa to me…
Rhaenys Stark,
😀 That’s true for the most part, unfortunately none of my friends watches it 🙁
Well dunno about that but
Jaime looks hawwwt!
Arya and Jon sporting the same hairstyle, even though they are in different parts of the world, is cute.
What I wish to know is, would it kill them to release more than one pic of Jon for an episode!
Sarah Stark,
It’s definitely Riverrun. You can see all the siege camps surrounding it, and those mounted men look like Lannister soldiers.
Dutch Maester,
Cmon thats bulls*it and you know it .
At the end he solves the Blackwood siege peacefully and goes of with Brienne ALONE in the night to “save Sansa from the Hound”…
Here he will refuse to help Sansa…
Μεγάλη αρρώστια το GOT !!!
Where’s Needle?
HunterMac87,
yes indeed!
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I agree with you 100%. I don’t know where this business came from about his Riverlands arc being about becoming Tywin II. It’s nonsense.
Dee,
Agree about Blackfish. But Edmure may live. Jaime and Cersei has no love for Freys, so Jaime might let Edmure keep Riverrun, so long as the Tullys bend the knee to Iron Throne. Freys lost the castle once – if Jaime helps to win it back, he can argue that he will put whoever he wishes as the Lord of Riverrun. Book 4 spoilers:
so Jaime does not care who gets Riverrun as long as they are obedient. Also, I think Edmure is not so disposable for the future story (unlike Barristan or Roose).
I am still holding out hope for Blackfish escaping the siege and joining Sansa (even if it’s after the battle for Winterfell).
Based on Tobias Menzies comment that he got called at the last minute and asked if he could fit them into his schedule, I wouldn’t hold my breath that he’s in the show much, at all.
I’m really hyped for Arya’s story. She really does look like Ned with that hair. I hope she kicks the Waif’s smug arse.
Markus Stark,
That might have something to do with it.
Where is Brienne? Did she die?
Kinvara is the High Priestess of the Red Temple of Volantis. We do not know if there are other High Priests or High Priestesses in the show. Benerro is, in the books, the High Priest of the Red Temple of Volantis, where Kinvara replaces Benerro in the show. This page, http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Kinvara, says that she’s only one of the high-ranking leaders of R’hllor, so there may be other High Priests/Priestesses. I do not believe Melisandre is one of them.
He´s bluffing …
But we are off-topic so we´ll drop the subject.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Kind of you to say. I never said that what he actually DID was what Tywin would’ve done, because it isn’t. You’re certainly right about that. But he is surely struggling with his role and with who he is. He wants to be more like Tywin on the one hand, but realises he can’t on the other. It’s not a black and white “let’s take this character from mindset A to mindset B” situation, as you suggest. He’s conflicted. In the show AND the books, and certainly in AFFC.
WildlingKing,
aabe,
RE Barristan is disposable, like stabbed in an alley by anonymous thugs disposable
*tears* damn dawg
It reminded me of that too! Different location, but as part of a whole scene perhaps? Getting close, anyway! 🙂
Kings landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Volantis ( greyjoys) – 4 minutes
Meribald and the hound arc- 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
51 minutes
I think is the right time we need.
Dutch Maester,
Yes you’re absolutely right, he’s conflicted and it’s complex, which means your statement that “the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin” is a bit of an oversimplification, as that is clearly not “the entire point”, but merely one of several things going through Jaime’s head.
Ultimately, Jaime’s actions and decisions lead him away from being like Tywin, as you noted, and as Gemma Lannister points out. So if anything, the point of his arc is that he isn’t Tywin.
I actually like the dress. I love the color and texture, if the shape is somewhat lacking. I really like that pendant, too. But the true awesomeness is her tiara, which I may never have noticed before. The simple, delicate mixture of stag antlers and roses is perfection.
Apollo,
Great image of Riverrun!! I’ve always pictured that castle similar to the “Château de Chenonceau” in France: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chenonceau#/media/File:Chateau_de_Chenonceau_2008E.jpg
Aguero,
It’ll be pretty fucking amazing if Tyrion sits out two episodes in a row this year, but that indeed seems to be the case.
I must say I’m a bit miffed about no Bran this week. I’m a little worried that we may not get back to him and Benjen until the finale.
Kit Hairyton,
Where did you hear this ?
Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face. (You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery7/hires/4.jpg
Markus Stark,
I said trying to. But now that we sort of understand each other let’s just enjoy the fact that we’re even getting his Riverrun story at all.
Markus Stark,
Kit Hairyton,
Would you spoil tag this in future? Please/Thank you
Dhal Krogo,
I read every filming stuff I found.
I don’t remember any such rumors.
Dutch Maester,
Indeed.
Dhal Krogo,
As I didn’t post any spoilers, I’m going to say no. I asked a question. Can’t spoiler tag every time I ask a question or speculate on what might happen. I don’t have any more information than you.
Markus Stark,
You were reacting to an alleged spoiler with obvious comments about it, so yes you should have spoiler-tagged it. I’ve fixed it for you, please be more careful next time.
You should also be covering the book spoilers you’re posting.
Studied it some, have you? Can’t say I blame you. 😉
Ginevra,
Ha ha, even his own armour adores him 😀 You were studying it zoomed in for science of course weren’t you? 😉
Ginevra,
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
I admit I would have liked to see Brienne’s story unfold a bit more like the books.
I think it could play out similar, with Sansa filling in as the person who makes Brienne “choose”. I think we could see Jaime kill the Blackfish during the siege. Jaime cares about one thing – Cersei and her wants. He is to take back Riverrun and it doesn’t matter who is in his way or what diplomatic hat he tries to put on, he will do it for her. Brienne will be there and witness it. Now does she tell Sansa and, if so, couldn’t you just see Sansa calling for his head? So, the oath is in doubt and the vow of never making her (Brienne) do something that goes against her desire (paraphrasing here) would probably make Sansa lose her shit. Okay, Brienne, you don’t have to kill Jaime but you are now the enemy and enemies hang.
I could definitely see this as part of the cliffhanger.
It also sounds a shitload like fanfic but it has gone into original territory so anything is possible. 🙂
Aguero,
12 minutes doesn’t seem like enough for the north, which will have at least 3 scenes (house glover, bear island, and wildling camp). I imagine the bear island scene should take at least 6 minutes by itself, since we know several characters will be speaking.
Throwback picture just to remind everyone how old Bran is supposed to be:
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery1/gallery1/hires/9.jpg
aabe,
Well I was gonna say – if Blackfish loses… well then, no Tullys backing the starks in the winterfell battle
Aguero,
S P O I L E R S
Ginevra,
I like the dress, I am just saying its conservative – in keeping with her fake “new” conversion to the faith.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
SO CUTE!
That shot of Riverrun is GORGEOUS.
Also, Jaime looks fresh as f*ck.
Sorry Sue!
I should’ve definitely covered the LHS stuff but didn’t realize speculation should be too. Will be sure to in the future!
Does anybody else find it odd that there are two Freys in these scenes (and the introductory scene at the Twins last week)?
With the shows propensity to streamline and consolidate characters, I’m surprised they didn’t just reintroduce one, unless one of them meets a grisly fate soon 😉
I like that they kept the briefly glimpsed season three design for Riverrun.
That’s such an impressive shot. You can see they’re sieging the castle on all sides. Now I wanna see it in full HD.
Totally! I used to live in the Loire valley so I’ve been there several times. Beautiful Chateau! ?
OT:
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/lifestyle/dyslexic-deaf-actor-joseph-mawle-3940626
Good for him!
Sue the Fury,
Will do, sorry about that.
Another OT:
Sophie is stunning!
http://www.justjared.com/spotlight/sophie-turner-spotlight.html
Those Jaime pictures really give me Season 1 Tywin vibes.
HelloThere,
Anyone spot Cersei and Olenna wearing darker clothes? I think Loras is the broken man and commits suicide in the next episode.
I think Dany will work out the only way to sort Meereen is to get everyone not with the Sons of the Harpy to evacuate and the dragons will raize it to the molten ground. Slavery over- Targaryen style.
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
Jaime will go rogue and switch sides. He has form.
Dee,
Whoa.
JJ: What would you ultimately like for her?
ST: I want her to get revenge. I want her to avenge her family’s death and everything. But then I kind of want her to die at the end because I want a big death scene. I want her to die and I want Littlefinger to end up on the throne. I don’t really care about anyone else.
So glad they are giving this episode to Cogman.
He is the master of adapting GRRMs best monologues.
The Broken Man Speech has the potential to be my favorite scene in the history of this show.
Isn’t that way too much time for Riverrun? We’re getting it in episode 8 too. This episode may just include Jaime arriving in Riverrun, a talk with Bronn, the Freys and of course the parlay with the Blackfish. I’d be shocked if the scene is longer than 8 or so minutes. Also, the other storylines you listed could well use some of the time you allocated to Riverrun; in particular the North and Brienne.
While I do not dispute what you say, I think it must be tempered with the following:
1) D&D said Jon Snow was dead;
2) HBO said Jon Snow was dead; and
3) Kit Harrington said Jon Snow was dead and wasn’t coming back.
In fact, the purpose of those statements was to deceive fans about the truth to enhance the surprise. So pointing to those same sources as being authoritative on the issue lacks credibility when they have all demonstrated a willingness to actively lie and mislead the audience for a narrative purpose.
If may well be true — and probably is — that Stoneheart is not making an appearance this year or at all. I grant you that, but appeals to higher authority in this specific case are unconvincing.
I suppose LS could just be a vengeful bitch and go off on Brienne anyway, but it lacks any power to accuse Brienne of Oathbreaking when she is actually there at Sansa’s behest. So that part of the tale would have to be changed.
The King!
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery1/gallery2/hires/12.jpg
Gone but not forgotten!
Tycho Nestoris,
I know rright!!!
More beautiful locations…
Horn Hill last week, Riverrun this week…
Great job on the consistently outstanding visuals!
The Creative Arts Emmy Nominations are coming soon, lets hope GoT gets some love – and Ramin Djawadi!!!
Dee,
As talented and beautiful as Sophie is, she’s too wild for humble Tycho. Not that I had a chance or anything.
Red Viper,
Re Ramin Djawadi!!!
No matter what, as long as the opening credits roll I’m hype.
Tycho Nestoris,
LOL!!!! that’s funny!!
Do you think we’ll see Riverrun in the opening credits this week?
Don’t forget the return of Volantis this week with Theon/Yara.
Predictions –
Arya will be pursued by the Waif in a crazy knife fight all across Braavos.
Jack Bauer 24,
Maybe. The problem is they almost never actually manage to show all the locations that do appear in the episode, because they always show KL and Winterfell, even when those locations aren’t featured in the episode, as they do for the Wall, and they very frequently show Braavos and/or Meereen, even when those locations don’t appear (but not all the time).
So honestly their thing about using the credits to show which locations will be appearing in the episode hasn’t always really worked out super well if you ask me.
ghost of winterfell,
I agree. I need a new desktop background.
Look at Arya’s new hairstyle! 🙂
Needs more pictures of Jonny boy.
I was just wondering that! Hope so…when watching last Sunday I got a little sad thinking that we may not have many new locations on there anymore (I’ll hate to lose Braavos!). But there are a couple of possibilities.
Jack Bauer 24,
I hope so! They might include it, since Jaime is a main character.
I was a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see The Twins. 🙁 Maybe later.
Flayed Potatoes,
probably didn’t want to spoil it!
Dee,
They already spoiled it in the “previously on” clips haha
Jack Bauer 24,
Very likely (replacing Vaes Dothrak).
Pigeon,
The only new location on the map we’ll see this year will be Oldtown, I think. They’re not gonna skip a chance to do that one. They might add Highgarden and Casterly Rock in the future, depending on the story, but that’s about it.
Fun fact: So far they’ve done 19 (!!) locations: 12 in Westeros and 7 in Essos. Really cool.
Good catch. I can’t believe the Sue correctly based that it was Robett Glover based only on the “haggard” description being also used for the character in ADWD. Wow.
Apollo,
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… 🙂
I’m pretty surprised that there’s no pics of Tyrion yet. Maybe Dany will arrive in Meereen on Drogon’s back in the next episode and they are withholding it. The rest of the Khalasar could arrive later when the city is in a complete caos.
HotPinkLipstick,
While I must admit, Ser Arthur Dayne will forever be first in my heart, Jaime does look…*sigh*…
So. Damn. Good.
It could also go like this:
King’s Landing 8 mins.
Riverrun and the Riverlands 13 mins.
Braavos 3 mins.
Volantis 5 mins.
The North 18 mins.
Both credits 4 mins.
Dvd C.,
I don’t think 13 min is enough for everything in the Riverlands.
18 seems a bit much for the North, and 3 not enough for Braavos.
In any case the episode will be packed. It’s only 51 minutes too, so I don’t really know why they didn’t give themselves more time for these stories. Seems like they try to fit in a lot in very little time, instead of simply using the 60 minutes that their slot affords them.
burrmall
I thought that as soon as I saw her lighting the candle while holding needle..
Tycho Nestoris,
Wow. Not surprised by most of it. I wonder if her wish for LF on the IT was the cherry on the revenge sundae.
It’s a weird spot to be in. If he says “I can’t comment on that” it reads like he’s saying she is in the show and he just can’t say.
As much as I would love for her to return to the show and be impactful on the story, the likelihood is that it won’t happen. I feel like Hibberd spoiled it years ago with his dumb article that went up like 10 minutes after the season 4 finale trying to explain why no LSH is a good thing. He stated in the article that D&D were not willing to go on record about it which made me think that they did say something to him off the record. Now that was 2 years ago and who knows what might have changed since then but Michelle Fairley was also recently cast in some Starz show as well.
If I were to shake the magic 8 ball on this one, I think it would say “All signs point to NO,” but there’s 4 more episodes of “hope” and I would be very happy to be wrong. If they give me Nymeria and her pack, I will be satisfied 🙂
You don’t read the books right? Out of curiousity, why the strong reaction to a character or plotline you didn’t even read about? Is it just because many people on this site dislike it? Is it a Jon Snow thing? It’s super weird to me that someone would be that vehement about something they’re only vaguely familiar with.
I would be insanely hyped to see her, but I wouldn’t be upset if she never showed up.
The pieces are somewhat coming together… Mostly the report of Thoros filming a hanging scene… but…
I still truly believe she is cut… What purpose would she serve this close to the end game… The moment has passed
Ideally… at the Crossroads Inn/Inn of the Kneeling Man so we can have some more Hot Pie! It’s even on the way to Riverrun for Brienne.
BranTheBlessed,
you think azor ahai/PTWP is ONE particular person?
Kargaryen,
If Dany is set to sail for Westeros by the end of the season then she must arrive at Meereen in 6.07 ,she must solve the Meerenese knot as soon as possible. Then perhaps meet with the Greyjoys ,strike a deal with them and perhaps send Varys on a mission to Dorne to negotiate with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for a landing site for her armies.
Markus Stark,
Why was I under the impression that there was a High Priest and not a High Priestess? Didn’t Thoros or Melissandre mention something like that back in season 3 (or was it 2)?
Yeah I lived in Orléans (just beautiful) and there are so many gorgeous chateaux there such as Chambord, Sully sur Loire and Anjou as well as amazing scenery and wine too. Funnily, I’m a Stewart and it’s where Mary Queen of Scots lived when she was married to the Dauphin of France and changed the goddamn spelling of the name to Stuart to appease the French! 🙂
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Kill him? Do you want a good third of the fandom to mourn until the end of time??
Kit Hairyton,
Hey, Dee doesn’t do spoilers! Don’t try to corrupt her!
HPL had made basking in Jaime’s light sound like such a good idea, I thought: ooo, let’s savor every inch of him! Natch.
Normally, being raised as siblings and being cousins would be uber-creepy of the likes of step-siblings Boone and Shannon on Lost. But this is Game of Thrones, after all. Even so, I do not see Jon and Sansa as kindred spirits. If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
Sue the Fury,
Girl, you really put some serious work in this site.
For a moment I thought the sword of Lothar Frey was actually Robb’s. From this angle it looked similar. It would have been nice detail, in my opinion.
I can’t wait to see Blackfish in his glory !
Tycho Nestoris,
Jaime will bitchslap Black Walder, who’s taking the place of Ryman Frey.
Laura,
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
J Bolton,
Left (open) handed? I think he goes with the golden back hand. Will vegas will take prop bets on this?
I hope Jaime starts low and slow (even gets some knee bend) then cracks rivers right beneath the eye and catches the bridge of the nose on the follow through.
Sou,
You should decide for yourself if the character is pointless. Don’t base it on the opinions of others. If you only care about WW though then a lot of characters may be pointless to you.
Ginevra,
Actually we’ve seen that he loves Arya like a sister, he’s never marrying her. Sansa feels like a possibility but it might just because kit and Sophie have an unexpected chemistry, sharing the scream for the first time as adults
Tycho Nestoris
I hate that this gives me more ammunition to the Sansa doesn’t REALLY care about Jon suspicion…
Ok, makes sense. Thx for the response 🙂
Nadia,
Sophie is a huge fan of the show. Think of her as a fellow fan, not Sansa. Let her enjoy speculation like the rest of us.
Only someone from our neck of the woods could write a sentence like that. You make me laugh. Thank you. 🙂