Jerome Flynn as Bronn and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister. Credit: Helen Sloan /HBOHBO has released this week’s new batch of photos from Sunday’s episode of Game of Thrones. The season’s seventh episode (yes, we’re already headed for the 7th ep!) will be titled “The Broken Man,” and feature a return for Clive Russell as the Blackfish, and a rallying of the Northern cause. Jerome Flynn is finally making an appearance on the show this season, and we can look forward to some action in the Riverlands.
Official episode synopsis: The High Sparrow eyes another target. Jaime confronts a hero. Arya makes a plan. The North is reminded.
Photos below the cut!
Update 6/2: Several more photos added!
The Blackfish holds Riverrun, as Walder Frey announced in this week’s episode.
Clive Russell as Blackfish Tully. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOCersei is roaming about the castle, with the Kingsguard and apparently Tyrell soldiers still around.
Lena Headey as Cersei Lannister. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOSansa, Jon and their companions rode away from the Wall, looking for Northern allies, and in next Sunday’s episode will be visiting with some smaller Northern Houses. Here we see them encountering Robett Glover of House Glover, who will be played by Tim McInnerny.
Sophie Turner as Sansa Stark, Kit Harington as Jon Snow, Liam Cunningham as Davos Seaworth, Tim McInnerny as Robett Glover. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBOArya is on the run in Braavos- here she’s changed her clothing.
Maisie Williams as Arya Stark. Credit: Courtesy HBONewly subdued Queen Margaery is out of prison, but not completely free as we can see she still has Septa Unella by her side, even as she visits with her grandmother Olenna.
Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell, Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell and Hannah Waddingham as Septa Unella. Credit: Helen Sloan/HBO Farfarawaysite has added several more photos from “The Broken Man” today:
In these first two shots, we can see Arya from the front, with her new clothes and her rather Ned Stark-like hairstyle. She looks to be trying to blend into the Braavos crowd.
Next, we have two photos of the Frey sons- Black Walder (Tim Plester), and Lothar (Daniel Tuite). I’m guessing they’ve headed back to Riverrun as ordered. Black Walder has fresh marks on his nose and cheek- I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
A wider shot of the Blackfish on guard, at Riverrun.
We can see the Frey-hatted men in the background/sides of these photos, so it looks like Jaime and Bronn have arrived at Riverrun, to help take it back from the Blackfish. I’m loving Jaime in the full Lannister armor.
A much more demurely dressed Queen Margaery and her Septa, Unella. I’m still of the mind that Margaery is only pretending to be a convert in a very clever deception:
And last, we have a slightly longer/narrower version of the above Cersei photo:
A Greek website has posted some photos as well, including this one that appears to be of Riverrun (in the distance) with riders approaching. It’s a small photo and hard to tell, but that might be Jaime’s arrival at the camp outside Riverrun. Thanks to Rhaenys Stark for giving us a heads up on this one.
Update: Found a larger size of the image on RadioTimes. That is definitely a Lannister-armored soldier with a helm on, carrying the Lannister banner.
I literally see this everywhere and don’t know what it means except for being the seat of House Glover xD is it a book thing ?
Robert Voorhees #gethype
Omg I’m so exited!Why isn’t sunday here already?This has the potential to be one of the best episodes ever.Every single storyline looks amazing.One thing though where did they leave melisandre she seems mia?
Robett Glover eh? Nice. DEEPWOOD MOTTE
These pics have me very much looking forward to Sunday!
It’s eerie to see Septa Unella chaperoning Margaery. I wonder what Olenna will make of her presence…
Arya is going to be the Lady of Winterfell. The new hairstyle proves it. (Cue: Ned, Young Ned, and Rickard)
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! 😀
Lannister armor (as opposed to the kingsguard armor) is a good look for Jaime! I know we’re excited for a Jaime/ Brienne reunion, but they’re going to be on opposite teams this time :(.
I’m hoping Margaery will find some way to communicate her goals with Olenna in a manner the Septa can’t pick up on. Her motives are the only thing keeping me halfway interested in KL this season.
Jon and Sansa don’t look too happy.
Desperately hoping for more Bran this Sunday.
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
has something to do with the shot of Davos in front of what seemed like Shireen’s pyre that we got from the trailer?
Just my speculation though.
these are great! nice change of pace from a couple weeks where the photos were mostly straight from the previews and not terribly interesting. Love the one w/ Arya & the Titan in the background
The return of Bronn should add to the characters at Riverrun since he and Pod have an interesting history via Tyrion.
Blackfish looks like he is seeing his nephew trotted out and he is not amused but IS ready to kick some ass.
Cersei plotting the next maneuver with QoT, FrankenGregor towering over her shoulder.
Jansavos meeting with House Glover to explain the importance of getting Winterfell back from the Boltons and preparing for the White Walker threat.
Arya contemplates her next move (just before the Waif shows up Im guessing)
Queen Marg gets a bath but will Septa Unella be her parole officer?
It is game-changing thing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
Yessss, they’re finally releasing Jon promo pics!!! He looks none too happy with Lord Glover. I figure their meeting will be fruitless. Hell, it looks like Jon & Co aren’t even admitted into the hall; Glover is meeting them outside. Hopefully they’ll have better luck with House Mormont.
The Blackfish looks badass! Fuck Jaime if he hurts a hair on that man’s head.
Captain Darling has gone back in time it seems. Hopefully Blackadder follows him soon (hint please cast Rowan Atkinson or Stephen Fry D&D for any role).
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Yeah, these are very good pictures imo, finally Arya has a decent hairstyle 🙂
I don’t know. That Lannister armor always remind me of cockroaches (exoskeleton).
This will be the best scene all year… Ian McShane’s speech….. and hopefully the Hound….
Pepi:
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! ?
As soon as I saw him I screamed ‘Alonzo from the 101 and 102 Dalmatians!’ lol I’m sure he will be great.
Jaime in Lannister armor looks too good!!
Marg has a new faith costume!
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn. Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Greyjoys are in the episode preview for this week.
haha I love Dany – want to see what happens when she gets to Mereen!
If Bran, Meera and BENJEN aren’t in this episode for at least one scene, I will slightly disappointed.
But this episode looks great going by these pictures. Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
GET HYPE! If those episode titles are real (I hope episode 9 isnt called “Battle of the Bastards”) and if episode 10 is really titled “The Winds of Winter’ then the wall could come down at the end of the season.
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Cliffhangers, lots of them.
Happy to see Bronn. Looks like another exciting episode.
Is Jaime’s armour is the same one that Lord Tywin was wearing in season 2?
Never mind, it looks like all of the Lannister soldiers have that same armour.
dont think her hair has/had completely grown out from the cut she got for Hunger Games movies
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
Sean C.:
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn.Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
Yup, that’s what I think too. Can’t say I blame him. Better luck at your next stop, Team Stark.
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes. Only North, Volantis, Braavos, and King’s Landing. We see Jon and Sansa in three different locations (with the wildlings, Bear Island and Deepwood Motte). More King’s Landing stuff like ep6, involving Cersei, High Sparrow, Olenna and Margaery. I hope we get to see septa Unella die screaming and Cersei’s face being the last thing she sees – A Lannister always pays her debts. Arya’s dress is different from the one in which (filming spoilers)
she is running from the waif in trailer and leaked pics – she is wearing rags in those shots. The play troupe has at least one more episode, so this might be it
. – Arya’s “plan” may involve the theatre company.
This time, I am more excited to see the free cities story than the North – In the preview, Theon looks like back in Reek mode. And that shot of Arya gazing at the Titan is glorious (maybe because I’m a huge Arya fan).
hint please cast Rowan Atkinson
That would be very cool but I can’t imagine who. Tony Robinson, now…..
Oh those pics excite me. Worried we will see Rickon and Ramsey….might have th keep my eyes partly covered…
Blackfish armor is sick.
Anyone else think Clive looks like an older version of Benioff?
I hate the Lannisters, but I love their armor, especially Tywins.
Jaime’s finally back on his book arc, woohoo!
TWO episodes without Tyrion, crazy.
Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
aabe:
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row. That has never happened before. So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
OT It is really confusing trying to keep track of all the characters who died at the RW with all that may just be missing. Maybe it’s just a book reader’s dilemma.
Maybe we see Melanie Liburd this episode.
The Pic shows the North being reminded…
Does the North Remember?
It’s gonna take something to jog their memory.
GeekFurious:
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
Woah. #mindblown
And I say… why not? ???
That Arya shot is amazing.
Was missing the Braavos look, so goot to see it’ll make a comeback.
Was Gilly wearing a wig when she dined with the Tarly’s? I don’t know what Hannah Murray’s actual hair color is, but when she met Lady Tarly it looked much darker than when she got her makeover.
Should we assume that we’ll be getting the grave digger this episode?
Jack Bauer 24: Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
I thought that also at the time but I had second thoughts after watching Inside Thrones for Ep1&2 and how they had a stand in for Mel’s body. If that was the gag then something similar was already done with Lena last year in her WoS when her face was superimposed on someone else.
Anyway I know this is OT but I was curious about other fan opinions, thanks
I think we will be getting Ian McShane’s character this episode and Bryan Cogman said this in an interview about next week’s episode:
“All I can say about next week’s episode is there was a week of shooting a particular sequence/storyline that was my favorite week on set in six seasons of Game of Thrones.”
It is game-changingthing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
If I had to make a guess, I would say that they first go to a couple of houses that turn them out, then hit the jackpot with the Mormonts, Manderlys etc
Wasn’t there a filming leak in which
Blackfish is defending Riverrun with his men against the Freys? Kind of like a mini-battle before Jaime arrives?
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Bronn HYPE
And he’s not pictured, but IAN MCSHANE HYPE
Jon Small, Sansa Stogre, Davos Seamore and a big effing man. lol They’re not giving it to Jonsa stans by highlighting the height difference.
Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
StellaFleure:
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
Is it too much to hope it’s Pycelle? I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Hope we get some Tyrion
I think we all expect Dany to be leaving for Westeros by episode 10, but I just have no idea how they can wrap up Meereen in 4 episodes (heck, this Slavers Bay plot can’t be wrapped up in Dany’s lifetime IMO)…
We know Tyrion and Dany filmed a scene together, do we know what episode?
But so hyped. This seems like a heavy Stark/Lannister episode, and Im getting serious season 1/2 feels…
So excited for this episode!
Jaime vs Blackfish!
Arya vs the Waif!
Deepwood Motte!
The return of Bronn!
The Broken Man speech!
The return of the Hound!
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
DEEPWOOD MOTTE! It’s good to be right /smug.
Glad to see Jon in the center there. It looks like the meeting won’t go so well for Jonsavos. 🙁 But there are other houses they can see.
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
its good if there is a break for dany now, I am kind of annoyed by her atm.
aabe: Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
Could be a trick by the High Sparrow to check if her conversion is for real.
Arya and the Titan. Love it.
GMarie:
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
She’s a natural blonde so she may have worn a wig before only this one is more obvious. As somebody mentioned upthread she did have a weird half shaven haircut for “The Hunger Games” part whatever it was.
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
GMarie:
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
Maybe she was still letting her shaved head from Mockingjay grow out while they were shooting this season.
Sean C.: I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row.That has never happened before.So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
Episode is only 51 minutes and already jam packed.
In the “Blood of My Blood” written recap thread, Luka Nieto listed four possible “milestone” conversations that could be adapted for this episode. Really looking forward to their integration, especially the Broken Men and BF vs JL excellence.
As I mentioned before, I’m keen on how Jon, Sansa and Davos convey critical info to other major houses. Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
HelloThere:
I don’t know why, but that pic with Olenna, Margaery, and Septa Unella is just glorious, lol.
Hey, I must specify that I am a woman, but does anyone here finds Septa Unella kind of sexy too?
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
Goddamn, the costume department never fails to impress. Jaime’s armor has always looked so amazing. The Stark cloaks are just beautiful (hopefully it’s fake fur though).
No you are not. Pryce is amazing I loved every moment he was on screen!
We might not get Ramsay until episode 8 or 9.
Remember the pfoto of Mel we were analysing before the beginning of the season? It WAS a glimpse of Sansa’s gown on the side! It was not visible in ep 5 but the photo above confirms it.
Davos is the real negotiator of the bunch, I have a feeling he’ll be the voice of reason much of the time. Heck, he convinced the Iron Bank.
Please don’t bring Bronn back just to kill him off!
Jonsavos look like they are getting read for filth by Lord Glover tbh.
I wonder where they are camping/sleeping during all this recruiting lol.
Also…..where did Dany’s horse go in the last episode? I’ve been meaning to ask lol.
Yaaaass Jaime you lion!
…and ok Bronn too. But can’t Jaime just the guy just enjoy his retirement??
ok, I think I would rather do a walk of atonement then have that horrible Unella bitch following me around all day everyday. is it comeuppance time yet?
That’s not what I see. I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’ He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
I imagine it’s going to be hard for them to convince those lesser Houses (or anybody south of the Wall) that the White Walkers are real. I think most will have the same reaction Sam’s brother had when the subject was brought up at the dinner table last week. Hopefully Davos can convince them all the Walkers are a very real threat.
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Aw thanks! I’ve been around but it’s hard to figure out which thread has the active conversation. Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!! 🙂
I hope all is going well and someone is carrying the torch for the comments drinking game.
Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
KG:
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
I wonder if they’ll have a montage of Jonsavos approaching the various Northern houses or if they’ll have scenes of them visiting one house that will join them (likely Mormont) and one house that won’t (possibly Glover) as examples and then just mentioning if the other houses have joined them or not. There seems to be more than three Northern scenes in this episode and I am so excited! *happy dance*
Jack Bauer 24: Making the 8:
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
It was aged up Mel. It was supposed to happen in the Mel bathtub scene with Selyse in S4, but that was changed (the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
They tried to find a place for it in S5 but couldn’t really find a good scene for aged Mel.
Flayed Potatos, you are a genius! And who wouldn’t enjoy watching them make that baby?
I also find Septa Unella hot!
I fear for Pod though…
Septa Unella hanging around in the Red Keep eh. She might not want to walk past Cersei and her monster. I can’t say I’d be upset if she met a wall too though.
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
Jack Bauer 24: Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
Here’s what i hope will happen (probably episode 10!).
Yara will tell Dany/Tyrion/etc that Euron is coming with 1,000 ships and they will together hatch a plan to pretend to take Euron up on his offer, but then instead steal the damn ships from under him. In return for the heads up/help, Dany will kill Euron and restore that driftwood crown to the Greyjoy kids when they all get back to Westeros. Woudl be an awesome way for them to head to Westeros.
Right? I doubt they would have left her with the Wildlings considering she burned their king. But she’s nowhere to be seen at Deepwood Motte or Bear Island. Maybe they left her watching the horses, LOL.
I do remember in one of the behind the scenes videos recently released, Carice Van Houten (and Liam Cunningham) was interviewed in a sort of woodsy area and some castle-like building behind her. I could never place that location but maybe it was the Deepwood Motte location and Mel is actually there, just off to the side.
I’m pretty sure the week of shooting involves Arya/The Waif doing a remake of Assasin’s Creed and has nothing to do with Ian McShane.
HotPinkLipstick: Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
Yes. Except the tables have turned! Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency. They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.: “Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
KG:
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
UMM
you missed a massive one after the events of “The Door”
The crowd was divided in two:
– Sansa will betray Jon and the siblings will be divided
– Sansa will not betray Jon blabla.
Something like that – I wasnt involved much in it. hahaha
Oh thank fuck I missed THAT nonsense.
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
Sir Imp hand Strong: As fast as the show is going I assume Arya will be on a ship to Westeros by the end of the episode.
I’m pretty sure that S7 & S8 will take place entirely Westeros. My speculation is that Dany & the Dothraki will show up in Meereen around E8 and successfully end the Sons of the Harpy in E10. Yara / Theon will probably show up in Meereen in E8 or E10 with their fleet, all ready to bring Dany and the Dothraki, Second Sons, Unsullied, et al back to Westeros. That’ll officially end the Meereenese Knot, and by the end of E10 everybody will be on ships heading back to Westeros.
Arya, meanwhile, will prepare to depart Braavos in E7, and will have her fight with the Waif in either E7 or E8. After Arya kills off the Waif, she’ll get on a ship and be back in Westeros by E10.
After that, there’s no body left in Essos, and no reason for anybody else to go there.
QueenofThrones: Yes.Except the tables have turned!Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency.They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.:“Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that… 🙂
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
return of the Hound and that his brief storyline was his favourite storyline/sequence in all of Game of Thrones
Ian McShanes character has something do with it.
Jack Bauer 24:
Am i the only one who likes KL this year? Pryce is an absolute delight to watch.
I also like KL. Pryce is incredible. But I also love watching all of these “players” trying to out maneuver each other. Its going to explode soon and I can’t wait to see who is left standing.
No you’re not, give me KL instead of Essosi storylines anyday – except for Arya – it’s also very interesting that almost no one talks about Jonathan Pryce, he’s absolutely killing it. So delightful to watch his stellar performance indeed.
Not much is happening in KL, but they have good actors. Arya’s storyline picked up considerably because of her interactions with the theater troupe, but the rest of Essos puts me to sleep.
Too bad no one thought to take a selfie with one…. 🙂
rhymeswithweak:
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
Forget Waif, Area’s story suddenly taking the front centre apparently building to big climax in E10.
Shawn: I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
I agree. It’s not going to be easy.
Sansa is a “traitor” (having married first Tyrion Lannister, *then* Ramsay Bolton), and a woman (even if she is Ned Stark’s daughter). The Northern lords aren’t going to listen to her.
Jon Snow is a bastard, and an oathbreaker (leaving the Night’s Watch). I’m sure that the first thing many Northern families will do upon seeing Jon Snow at their doorstop not wearing the black would be to try to execute him for leaving the NW. It’s going to take some fancy talking for Jon Snow to convince them that he fulfilled his oath.
Davos (and Melisandre) are filthy usurpers, as they used to be a part of Stannis’s retinue. No matter which side of the Northern “civil war” you fall on, Stannis was fighting against both the Starks and the Lannisters. No Northern family would feel kindly predisposed towards either Davos or Melisandre.
As hated as the Boltons might be, they still control Winterfell and are officially recognized as the Wardens of the North. Add the fact that they have the Umbers and the Karstarks (and the Manderlys?) on their side, and it’s not going to be easy to convince the other Southern families to team up and take them out, Stark loyalty or no Stark loyalty.
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments. Jon could use him in this recruiting business. What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf? Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
I’m so looking forward to this episode. Jaime vs the Blackfish. The North Remembers. Broken Men. It must have been a nerdgasm of adaptation for Cogman!
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
I agree. The emotional parts of S6 clearly lie with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc and I love it. However, KL has me intrigued because I have no idea what to expect (well, actually I have a few ideas but I am always wrong).
i wonder if melisandra could get sent down to the riverlands with brienne, maybe to rally the bwb?
she’s not going to go down well with the northern banners and she’s not in the pic
would make for awkward travelling companions but probably good TV 🙂
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
I think Theon and Yara will hand over the stolen ships to Dany for her to get her arse to westeros.
Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!
Ive had the same problem. I found tho that if you go to the far right of the screen,there is a text box labeled Recent Activity or something like that, showing recent posts, recent threads, most discussed. Click on most recent, and that will show you were the most recent discussions are taking place (and sometimes there are about two or three). What I wish would happen would be that we could bookmark our last thread on a post so we can find our way back to it easily!
If Arya vs Waif is happening this episode, I’ll be soooo happy. But I think it’ll only be in episode 8. I also think Arya will travel to Westeros with the troup and will join in as an actress in place of the Sansa actress.
I think the Broken Man scene will bookend the episode, and I’m also starting to think LS is a possibility again (for the finale, that is). I’d give LS a 30-40% chance, given what I think happens at the end of the episode.
Ghost’s back in direwolf limbo. After the assassination, he should feel the need to be at Jon’s side 24/7. It just doesn’t compute. They’re back to ignoring the bond and the importance of the direwolf.
Firannion: That’s not what I see.I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
Oooh, yeah, I like this. He watches, he listens, and then he gets shit done. Truly, Jon & Sansa hit the jackpot with their new adviser.
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
trarecar:
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around.I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life.If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
I think there just might be something to this. The way Jaq-o said, roughly, “either way, a face will be added to the hall,” coupled with the Waif’s behavior (enmity, not so no-one, is it?) and perhaps even his look following some of that (not stink eye but perhaps a mini-version)… I wonder if he’s okay with Arya not becoming no-one.
in Balticon that LSH isn’t on the show… even tho i agree with that… he might just be lying…
There’s no way for me to properly describe how excited i am for Sansa and Jon in this episode and i’m going to be seriously disappointed if their screen time is less than 15 minutes Sunday.
No Danny and Mereen this episode? GOOD. Also i don’t think Bran is going to be in this episode but i would definitely love a brief appearance with Benjen.
I’m worried that Ramsay hasn’t been in the last few episodes. The north being reminded might mean something involving rickon
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
Undoubtedly! And I think that Septa Unella and her bell will have a very bad end. Sadly, I think that clueless King Tommen isn’t long for this show.
That picture with Jon/Sansa/Davos looks a little grim.
It’s going to be a hard sell–recruiting in the North
Let’s be honest
Davos is a smuggler turned Hand of Stannis, and not from the North
Sansa- to the outside world-appears to have stood by while her father was executed, remained engaged to Joffrey, married the imp Lannister, then married Ramsay Bolton.
Jon is a bastard (atm) who probably won’t be able to explain with any credibility his fight with WWs and death and resurrection that made it cool for him to abandon his post at CB-usually a death sentence. Oh and also he has a pack of Wildlings, a direwolf, a giant and a depressed fire witch following him around.
So here they come, after Robb took many of them to war and death at the Red Wedding, after the Ironborn took advantage of the war of five kings to attack, after Ramsay flayed and threatened anyone who didn’t respect Bolton rule, after several houses have lost their original leadership and/or are in disarray.
Yeah. Hard sell. But I don’t think it will be for the Mormonts. Just from show examples-Jeor and Jorah? Those men are loyal. And Lyanna Mormont’s letter that there is only one king in the North and his name is Stark.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
PS-Jaime looks amazing in the Riverlands. I’m praying Lancel sends him a note or Bronn tells him about that relationship with Cersei. Also-do we even know if he knows that she’s the one that put HS in power just to mess with the Tyrells like a petty you know what? I’m so ready for him to wake up from that hold she has on him that makes him an idiot and takes away all of his personal growth.
Oh and Marg, Olenna and Septa Unella? I will need to watch that meeting closely to see if the two smartest women in the realm can pass messages to each other without giving anything away to shame nun.
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine.
Nope, Sansa’s tall in the books too. Shockingly, you can be both tall and feminine at the same time, and height has no correlation to whether or not a person is submissive.
On another note, yay Blackfish! I hope he drags Jaime’s ass but good.
I loved yoyr description of so many ‘discussions’ – so right! It is amazing tho, even with those that make me roll my eyes and scroll, there are three times as many that are interesting or funny or informative or all of the above!
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
That would be good for the off season. But someone would have to keep track of it all and man I wouldn’t wish that job on anyone
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
afaik Sophie said they wanted her to appear towering over men, they made her wear high heels to make her look even higher in past seasons.
I saw something yesterday that I really want to believe. That this was a test for the Waif too-and one she seems to be failing tbh because I don’t think FM should be so emotional or revel in the idea of hurting and killing someone. That’s not their style.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Tinfoil addition: And it will have something to do with Syrio wanting her to finish her dancing lessons lmao
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
It’s been a while since I watched that scene, but Mel basically says something to Selyse about her being so devout that she can see pass the magic.
Here’s the scene at YouTube if you want to rewatch it.
One old man’s opinion:
Lady Stoneheart does not fit the narrative these two are working in the show.
LSH is an allegoric tale being woven to reveal ridiculousness of a revenge based system of escalating violence.
The showrunners are using violence to drive the ratings. The books are anti-war, anti-violence.
The HBO show has become little more than being about badasses kicking other badasses’ asses. They’ve dropped the main motif of the book series long ago.
It’s for the best shes out anyway since they would have botched it.
Not saying they aren’t good discussions, just that I don’t have time for it all!
I SO want a thread of admitting our incorrect predictions.
These pictures alone signify how epic this episode will be, count all the stuff they wouldn’t want to spoil, and we have another corker.
Does anyone have any theories about what Sansa is writing up in the episode promo?
Jumbo: Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
In AFFC Sansa is described by LF as “a maiden tall and fair” – she had a huge growth spurt sometime during the 3rd-4th book as I recall. I always thought she was taller than Baelish, at least, if not taller than the “average” Westerosi guy. She’s certainly not petite in the books, at least not by this point in time. Arya and Dany are petite, not Sansa.
And Jon’s height is never fully settled in the book. I’ve read some people say that he must be fairly short because he is described as always wearing LongClaw on his back instead of his hip. But yeah, Sansa being taller than Jon wouldn’t surprise me too much.
And yah she’s shorter than Clegane in both… obviously. 🙂
BIG OLE REMINDER:
You must use spoiler coding! Cover up all that
Stoneheart chat
, every bit of it. It’s obvious what you’re talking about even when you think you’re being subtle. Cover it up, this is a post for everyone.
And please take with several grains of salt anything you hear from people claiming to have heard things from GRRM.
It would be surprising, but then again, “Blood of my Blood” was the first episode in the series without Tyrion or Jon. So far every episode Tyrion had missed had included Jon :
“You Win or You Die”, “Rains of Castamere”, “First of his Name”, and “Watchers on the Wall”.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
The more I look at Sophie’s 2 lies and a truth the more I think she lied about all 3.
Danny:
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments.Jon could use him in this recruiting business.What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf?Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
LOL, it’s probably the latter. Ghost is all caught up with S6 and knows what’s happened to his siblings. He’s come to the conclusion that his best defense is to stay the hell away from the Starks.
The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
Then again, Jorah said there were 100’000 people in Vaes Dothrak, but perhaps Dany won’t bring them all to Westeros ? After all, many of those will be children, women, and the elderly. Unless the Dothraki are permanently moving to Westeros, I’m not sure they would really come with her.
Now that Dany has united the Dothraki, the fate of Vaes Dothrak, and the Dothraki people’s future as a society is a little unclear.
It was Preston Jacobs apparently… but we all know… GRRM could just lie, so it doesn’t confirm or deny anything IMO…
Common Sense, in the end, makes be think LSH happening wud just be weird @ this point…
Tho i’ve mostly let it go, a small part of me still yearns for it ,lol
I love Tyrion, but I don’t need him in every episode. I get Peter Dinklage is the star of the show and tops the bill, and there must be an obligation to feature him in as many eps, but a lil’ 2 minute Meereen update amongst the all the goodness of this episode just isn’t necessary.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Ive been thinking that as well. Jacquens look when Waif walked away was telling to me
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
It doesn’t seem right that they would leave Tyrion out for two episodes in a row….
HotPinkLipstick: Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that…
Yeah something like that, or that they would all kneel to him and Mel would do something like proclaim him AA loudly.
And generally I’ve been so wrong all season and. Never thought Brienne would find Sansa. Who could have imagined the concept of Tormund crushing on Bri?? NEVER thought that Jon and SANSA would unite (WHA?!??!), assumed like everyone else Dany would be saved by Drogon (WRONG), thought Cersei would blow up the sept of Baelor last week (NOPE).
And I’m so excited to be wrong more.
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
That was so brilliant.
As a side note I need more Brienne in my life this episode but I’m a bit worried that they will just have her as a stinger at the end (Jaime/Brienne reunion) and I will scream.
Tim McInnerny and Ian McShane in the same episode! It really is incredible how the show manages to get so many big names for such small roles, but then this is the biggest show on TV. There’s too many examples to list, but these two add to the long number of actors who have signed up for cameo roles. I honestly can’t think of another show, ever, to have so many big actors sign up for such roles
Hy~pe!! Hope we get a glimpse of
the Hound
this episode. And that Arya introduces the Waif the the pointy end of Needle.
I think Tyrion and Dany might be leaving Meereen in ep 10, so I am just wondering how they can wrap it all up in only 3 episodes..
I bet he shows up for a few minutes.
I hear you. I was laid up with a hip fracture the last three months so I had lots of time to be on line, but yeah normally I wouldn’t have had much time either
This is a BIG episode for Mr. Jon S.
aabe: The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
Haha, Tyrion absent in two episodes in a row? Not.
Jaime and the Blackfish look so good! And Bronn!!! I still miss the Bronn-Tyrion duo – Jaime and Bronn never ever came close to that, in my opinion. Arya finally out of the No One Cult. Jon, Sansa and Davos doing the filler recruiting thing till Episode 9, I guess. I wish Davos would go and find Shirren’s pyre, but that could happen in Ep. 9 too since it’s near Winterfell.
Markus Stark: The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
I posted this above, but what about Yara/Theon in their fastest ships warning Dany about Euron coming with 1,000 ships. Then they (probably masterminded by Tyrion) come up with a plan to lure Euron into a trap and steal the ships from him.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
As if a fatherless girl in the Middle Ages had a saying on stuff like that…
I am not contradicting you, it may quite well be as you say, but it would be very unfair!
imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
I think only about 2 dozen or so Wildlings were at CB to see Jon come back from the dead. To them he’s a God, but to the remaining thousands back at Wildling camp (especially the warriors), Tormund still has some convincing to do. And judging from the trailers, we know he succeeds.
I do agree with the rest of your post, that Team Stark does have a hard-sell on their hands when it comes to the Northern houses. Their various credibility is shot to hell at the moment.
Random prediction not based on these pictures.
Jaqen will eventually reveal himself as Lady Crane. Killing the Waif is the final step of Arya’s training.
I think it makes sense why the rest of the Widlings would need convincing. Not all of them saw Jon’s dead body, so not all of them would believe he was some sort of God. The free folk aren’t a monolith , they are a diverse group of people with different tribes, and various superstitions and motivations. And it’s not like they are very used to being organized anyway….this is really unpresedented stuff for them, as their tribes are usually always splintered and fighting.
They joined up to get past the wall, and now that they are past the wall, I can see some of them having reservations on following orders from a crow, even someone they might respect for bringing them there. They need to be convinced that this is the best thing for them. They aren’t just going to blindly follow Jon without feeling that it is in their best interest to. I believe they will be convinced, but I think it’s worth it to have a scene showing some of the reserved free folk being convinced to go fight for a castle.
Oh yeah, Im walking now, with a cane at this point but hopefully when school starts up this fall I’ll be in shape again to go running after the kids… thanks.
ash, jentario,
At the end of season 5, “Jaqen” drinks poison and “dies.” The “Waif” then turns into “Jaqen.” Was the
kindly man
who died or “Jaqen” or just generic “no one”? I am so lost on these FM. I understand the changes to the Waif to make her a fighter, I just
enjoy her book character more for her antithesis to Arya as opposed to the jealous version in the show.
Does Jon really need to mention his death and resurrection? If they are still going to see him as an oath-breaker (which he technically really isn’t), he should just tell people he didn’t feel like he could ever trust his men again after such betrayal and so he left the Watch for everyone’s sake. He’s got the wounds to prove he was attacked. As to how he was able to survive them? Well, he could tell them Mel saved him. Being saved is less spooky than being resurrected. I mean only about 8 people actually saw Jon as a corpse, of those only 3 are with Jon. There is really no need to spread that kind of information around. It’s unimportant for what they are trying to do. I mean Mel would be the only one who I could see wanting people to know what took place with Jon, and only because she now believes he’s the promised one so she would want people to see him as that but I also think she’s learned a hard lesson with the Stannis debacle and will try to be more of an adviser and less of a manipulator.
Jumbo: QueenofThrones,
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion. But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all. Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
Oh… now that would be interesting.
I was thinking the show would trick us into thinking Arya dies and have the Waif return to Jaquen only to kill him and reveal she’s Arya wearing her face.
Interesting – that whole bit when she came back to HBW was hard to follow, and there could have been some identity switching going on. Mmm I agree with you about
The Kindly Man – I really miss him, as well as the Waif . I loved the interactions between them and wished they’d been in the show but its different for a reason. Still think of when KM first meets Arya and he shows her the worm and rather than be frightened, she just eats it!
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
i really don’t think they’re going that way, it’s more a sandor/arya thing in the show, and not romantic. sandor has been namedropped twice already in arya’s storyline in braavos, i’m really looking forward to seeing them meet again in the riverlands
Markus Stark: Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
Very intriguing.
I’m probably wrong, and biased in my wishes because I hate Euron and want him to sink into the sea ASAP.
But Tyrion is cleverer than anyone, especially Show!Euron. So I don’t think it’s unrealistic that he could be hoodwinked by Dany’s forces.
Let’s imagine they left Euron out of the show completely. Yara would have become King of the II and then built some ships and… what? Turtled up I guess? She wouldn’t have even known Daenerys and her Dragons existed. Euron beating Yara and Theon gave the show runners the excuse they needed to put the characters where they need to be – in the show, Euron is the literary definition of an antagonist – someone (or thing) that causes the protagonist(s) to take action. If Yara had just learned about dany some other random way and chosen to go herself, that would seem deus ex machina-y. Plus there wouldn’t be any question about what happens, whereas with Euron, we don’t know who will be at Dany’s side – Yara or Euron?
Yah he’d just be a one-season / one-shot villain in my scenario, but he surely is not irrelevant.
I thought it would be kind of cool if Arya defeats the waif and ends up leaving the waif’s face behind per Jaqen’s, “One way or another a face will be added,” line.
The lack of a worm was very frustrating. Such a great introduction to the KM! I def get giving more action to the waif in show. I just think her being a more sympathetic and learned (speaking languages, making poisons) character teaches Arya more so than getting whooped by the jealous teacher’s assistant. Apologies for the book rant
The show has done more to set up an Arya and Sandor reunion than a Sansa and Sandor reunion. In the show, the Sansa/Hound interactions feel like way more of an afterthought than the stuff in the books, especially since there is no scene where Sansa misremembers being kissed by The Hound. From how it’s presented in the show, I doubt Sansa has even spent one second thinking about Sandor.
The fact that Brienne referred to The Hound as some man pretty much killed off any future subplot of Sansa/Sandor in the show, imo.
I do wonder if Arya will ever see The Hound again. Tbh, I think I’d look forward to Arya/Sandor reuniting more than Arya/Jon. At least on the show. In the books, Jon and Arya feel so much closer since they are constantly thinking about each other. I so want him to mush her hair again. But then again if I see him mush her head on the show, I’m sure I’ll lose it there too.
Oooo I like that! Or The Waif kills Arya revealing herself as…….. GENDRY!
I kid of course.
Fishscales on the Blackfish’s armor. I love the costumes that tie back to the house sigil. Arya is out and about no longer sporting the the ladies of Bravos fav two knot look. There is so much attention given to the small differences that define each cities culture. Finding the subtle messages in every scene makes the show so enjoyable to watch.
HunterMac87: imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
Oh dear… Tyrion couldn’t help himself I’m sure. They’d better add a self-reference about how that’s enough eunich jokes already!
I’m interested – what do you make of the Sansa/Littlefinger relationship and the Hound’s potential impact upon it?
i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Sean C.: I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row.That has never happened before.So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
Dany and Drogon will land in Meereen this week, taking the bird-flies route and beating her 100,000 bloodriders. They’ll arrive in the midst of the madness and mayhem we saw in Meereen in the season trailers. And then, Fire and Blood. Or am I a week early in that prediction?
I love the Arya image with the Titan in the background. The Titan really makes Braavos for me. I think there’s much more to him than meets the eye, and that we’ll see the Titan in action sometime after the Wall comes down.
Bronn!!
Also, that one Lannister on the far right, the one with the fully visible face, looks real familiar too; like some featured extra that also was a Lannister soldier with a line of dialog in a previous season. No idea if that’s true, could be my imagination.
Shouldn’t they have to convince Dany of their trustworthiness first? The Ironborn are known for their rebeliousness, whilst Tyrion and Varys are aware of Theon’s treachery against the Starks who treated him as a member of their family despite him being a ward. Yara will have her hands full in their upcoming meeting.
No apologies nec; we all have our parts in the book that we wish were dif in the show. Can’t help that. At least we still have to books to go back to and enjoy 🙂
Yeah, I’ve been having a tough time even remembering in which thread I’ve posted. I mean, I’m really happy for the site and those who run it comment sections are going at such a seemingly break-neck speed (at least it seems much more so than last season), but it’s making it such that I’m having a tough time keeping up.
In the previews, Sansa’s saying she did what she had to do to survive but it looks like the Mormont sigil is mounted on the walls, and she’s inside. There’s another scene of Glover approaching them and they’re outside – two different scenes. But methinks she’s going to have to answer for being Lady Bolton more than once
but I thought they said the north will be reminded ?
Call me an optimist, but I can’t believe they’d cast Tim McInnerny for one scene. I know they’re doing that for McShane, but that was a widely touted cameo. Tim is a lesser known actor worldwide but given the cult status of Blackadder, having him onscreen for 5 mins would be a huge waste. I’m hoping it means that Glover will join them.
(Pleased to see it confirmed – I thought it was him in the trailer! Now cast Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Miranda Richardson, Hugh Lawrie and Stephen Fry pls!)
The trailer definitely makes it appear like Sansa is going to be given hell by all these northern houses for being a Lannister/Bolton. I’d like to think after defending herself umpteen times to belligerent northern lords, that she finds an ally in little Lyanna Mormont. I am almost more excited to see Lyanna MORMONT than grown up Lyanna STARK. Especially if she gets some form of Wylla M’s speech.
Given the time it takes to build ships (a couple of months), Theon and Yara should be able to arrive before Euron even leaves. Oh wait, it’s the show. Logic need not apply to logistics or supply chains….sorry, I forgot.
There’s one thing I’m slightly confused about. After Arya killed Trant, Jaqen took the poison and killed himself, but then the Waif turned into him. If Arya does kill the Waif, what stops one of the other Faceless Men turning into the Waif (thus meaning Arya will never be free of her)?
fairly straight forward episode
-Riverrun
Jamie comes up on the siege, the Freys produce Edmure, blah blah blah, i’d imagine it’s pretty close to the book’s plotline. [/ spoiler] once Brianne gets there… who knows but i doubt there’s anything more than her arrival.
-Northern recruiting, probably will be a mixed bag result. Most houses likely willing to help in some fashion, but not enough to give Jon an Army large enough to beat Ramsay.
-Volantis, Bro n Sis working on a plot to get Dany to go with them instead of Euron.
-KL, Tyrells and Cersei will be cranky, and come to the conclusion they either work together or lose their power. Sparrow will start dealing with Loras- or at least he will come up this episode.
-Braavos, Can Arya just end the Waif now? please. the Waif will be added to the hall of faces and Arya and Joquen will make peace with the situation and she’ll leave for Westeros (probably split over 2 episodes)
inactive plot lines
North of the wall- nothing
Iron Islands- nothing
Dorne- is that even still a place?
Oldtown/Horn Hill- nothing
Meeren- nothing (will throw fans a curve ball by not including Peter two times)
Dany-wherever she is…nothing gonna happen this episode.
Oh that fucking last pic, I Don’t give a damn about the Tyrells, don’t start to fuck with me like this when I know you’re killing them all off in the finale.
(sry for language lol)
Elizabeth H:
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
Marg is most certainly not a genuine believer. She’s playing her game. Her motivation is Ser Loras, primarily. If Cersei gets knocked down in the process, all the better, but I don’t think Cersei is her primary motivation.
O/T: I may be late to discover this, but has anyone else been watching S3 of Penny Dreadful! Our sweet young Ned, Sebastian Croft, is a nasty little vampire in it!
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
There’s a difference between Jon and Daeny. All of Dothraki saw her rebirth or that pyre show. Jon was more of a quiet scene that only Tormund, Wun Wun and other Wildlings saw. Not all of them and they would need convincing.
Tormund will make a case because Jon was the only who tried to save them and died because of that. And Ramsay is going after them or threatened them and Jon is their only hope. It’s out of necessity for them fight which they will at the battle.
It would be harder to convince other such as Glovers because they just took Deepwood Motte from IronBorn and it probably took some of their men. So they likely decline it because of that and reputation of Sansa, Jon and Wildlings. Not everybody is perfect like Daeny gathering allies left, right and center. But it makes it all the more fun.
Blackfish looks like he IS ready to kick some ass.
The best trash talking in ASoIaF is castellans insulting their besiegers. The Blackfish’s insolence is exceeded only by that of the castellan at Storm’s End not yielding to Stannis and then calling out Stannis’s riders who used to support Renly, including the remaining Renly Kingsguard amazingly still wearing rainbow cloaks.
So I’m hoping GoT really lets the defiance rip.
I would also like to see Jaime’s war council, which became a farce of heads of Houses behaving badly.
I’m just thinking that if I put my hands into holes in a man’s chest where he’d been clearly and fatally stabbed over and over and over and yet was living, breathing, walking, and talking, I wouldn’t have a problem believing in the undead north of the Wall. Plus Michael McElhatton confirmed that he thought Roose and Ramsay would already know and believe that the White Walkers were real, didn’t he?
lalla: i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Bringing a character back from the “dead” is only done if there is a point to it. Why bring the Hound back if it is not to
share his knowledge of Littlefinger’s betrayal of Ned Stark?
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread. Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
THE NORTH SCENES HYPE!
In all seriousness, I thought they MIGHT split up the traveling, but their together here, Bear Island, and even with the Wildlings.
There’s going to be no montage – seriously, has this show EVER done a montage?
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
It isn’t going to be THAT straightforward with the Mormonts btw. That’s where Sansa says “I did what I had to do to survive,” so you know someone is going to question her. And that’s where Davos talks about the real war, so it’s not some walk in the park on Bear Island either. But at the end, she is a Stark, Jon has Longclaw, and it’s Lyanna Mormont.
I don’t care at all about Mereen. Haven’t missed Tyrion there at all. I think the show is trying to save a deathly boring book arc by sending some of it’s best or most intriguing characters there (Varys and Tyrion), but I’m not sure that many people care at all.
Oh, so excited that Tim McInnerny is in this and as a Glover! Have loved him from Blackadder. So very curious what the other lords of the North have to say about what has been going on.
Luka Nieto,
Oh he can be mean and intimidating too, I’ve seen him do genuinely scary. Although Lord Percy from Blackadder II is by far my fave. “Percy, play for me”….“Patty cake, patty cake baker’s man” 😀 😀
HotPinkLipstick
Hi Pinky, good to see you. Thought you might have overdone it with the pre-season drinking games. Personally I’m just taking credit for the things I got correct and ignoring the far larger numbers of misses. It was one large ship in the trailer, not three smaller ones, therefore I am a genius! 😉
Tycho Nestoris
I can’t remember whether it was Sophie or Maisie who said
the bit about names being crossed off Arya’s list, but I took that to mean she finds out some of the people on it are already dead (like Joffrey), rather than she actually kills them herself. Unless she manages to get to Westeros by ep10 and wreaks some serious havoc?
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
Ooo, yes, but this particular lamb has teeth and claws. He will go down fighting. He won’t take Ramsay with him, exactly, because we have to have the Battle of the Bastards, but Ramsay won’t walk away from Rickon unscathed. I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
But in reality it will be a faceless man wearing Shae’s face to assassinate Tyrion, ordered by Cersei.
Also FUCK YEAH THE BLACKFISH.
The show – like the books – has come so far from the war over the Iron Throne (Balon’s death really cemented that). The Lannisters won, the Starks were destroyed, and everything else went their own way.
But to have the Blackfish remind Jaime, “As long as I’m standing the war is not over,” I squealed and clapped my hands and almost fell off my chair.
How cool is it going to be to see Theon and Yara meet Dany.
I am looking forward to Theon and Tyrion meeting again. Last time they met, they did not like each other much, and were then on opposite sides of the Stark/Lannister war. They both care about Sansa to varying degrees and Theon knows what happened to her after the Purple Wedding and how bad her marriage to Ramsay was. I wonder, if they do meet, if Theon with share this with Tyrion and what Tyrion’s reaction to it would be.
I would love that .
I usually use my memory and check the time of the last comment I read
And let’s say a couple hours pass when I can’t check the comments (say I’m working out or something) I remember the time tag of the last comment
I, personally, wouldn’t find that particularly helpful, although just because I wouldn’t doesn’t mean others would feel the same.
Like I said, I’m really happy for the site things are so busy, and if that means I can’t keep up the way I’d like, that’s just how it goes. There is the bonus, at least for me, of missing some of the inevitable whining about things that I, at least, find absurd. If enough folks want a more…focused, or at least easy to keep up with conversation, we can always start a thread in the forums.
And its gonna be awesome. I love the plotting and the build up. Because they are giving us clues and stuff. And nothing happen overnight either. I don’t see how a plot with Cercei and Zombie mountain can be boring. If all else fails, she will burn something down.
I neither love nor hate Danny, just indifferent. In terms of her storyline well she needs to get to westros so i can at least start caring about it.
Simon,
Yeah, could be. She did seem strikingly empathetic towards Cersei at that point, although Lady Crane asks her in the same conversation (paraphrasing here can’t remember the exact words) if she enjoys pretending so perhaps she is being sympathetic towards Lady C rather then Cersei? Whatever the case, we should find out very soon 🙂
My collection of theories for the episode at this time:
(1) Mereen makes an appearance. Maybe to show the progress of the red priestesses and/or set up the pursuit of an alliance with Dorne.
(2) Yara and Theon are bound for Dany. That seems like the consensus. I think they’ll advise her to neglect Euron’s offer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she goes rogue and tries to pull another Dracarys moment. Or perhaps it will be true love <3
(3) Recruiting the Northern armies doesn't go so well. I'm wondering why (a) Sansa isn't considering using the army of the Vale, or (b) why Jon or Davos wouldn't recommend it. It's hard to imagine LF taking a side, but he has to have more of a role in all of this somehow.
(4) Arya kills the Waif (more of a hope that a solid prediction, fingers crossed)
(5) Arya travels to Westeros with the acting troupe. She may even kill the Sansa actress. I'd love to see her then take the role (her dialogue with Lady Crane was a potential setup), but I don't buy her as an actress, and I don't think either of those things would happen this week.
(6) Olenna is the new target of the HS.
(7) Jaime ain't too happy about being on the side of Walder Frey v. Blackfish.
I feel kind of in the dark, but regardless, I'm amped for this week!
Nadia:
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
Honestly, I doubt that’s going to be brought up. Ramsay’s letter to Jon didn’t even mention Theon (almost like he knows Theon didn’t go with Sansa to Castle Black and has exited this plotline completely).
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
I was wrong about Hodor. I theorized years ago that he would be fluent in the Old Tongue, of which “Hodor” was a word. I wanted him to have a big ole conversation when he finally met Wun Wun or Wildlings who spoke the Old Tongue. I still think Hodor is part giant but obviously the rest wasn’t the Hodor story.
I think this season has leaned toward confirming more of my heartfelt theories, though, than denying them, so I’m happy all in all.
It’s littlefingers roll that will be the big reveal.
“The High Sparrow eyes another target” – He’s looking to Dorne. More salt in the Lannisters’ wounds, and more followers for the Seven.
“Jaime confronts a hero” – Obviously, this is in reference to the Blackfish. At Walder Frey’s behest, Jaime will attempt to ransom Edmure Tulley. This is treacherous, and will put a lot of pressure on the Blackfish to negotiate. Will he let him die, or will Brienne arrive just in time to stop/persuade Jaime?
“Arya makes a plan” – Apparently, she has some things to wrap up before leaving Braavos. She may want to say goodbye to Jaqen…be careful. She most definitely wants to point out a few things wrong with the Waif before climbing on that boat. The best laid plans, though, always seem to go wrong in GoT. This will get hairy. We’re going to see our first extended chase scene in a long time. Through the winding streets and canals of Braavos….exciting.
“The North is reminded” – This has double meaning. Jon, Sansa and Davos are out reminding the Northern Houses that Winter is Coming and so are the White Walkers. They will struggle at first, but as the next 2 episodes progress we’ll see them win over more and more to the Stark cause. The other reminding will be by Tormund Giantsbane to the Free Folk. They have forgotten that it was Jon who brought them through the Wall in the first place. It’s Jon for whom they must fight. He’ll remind them…even if he has to smack around one or two.
Its only logical for Jon and Sansa to have to convince these houses. Ones a official bastard and ones lady Bolton. What these other house must know though and I think will pull them over is the next known alive rightful heir to winterfell, who is a stark, is a prisoner there. And that should be motivation enough. Ready for these plots to start converging. I think this is the last transition episode and the rest are fire works and season conclusions. Dany will reach Mereen end the battle there and turn to westeros, Arya kills the waif, have some sort of interaction with Jaqen. Who I think, knew from the beginning, she could not be no one.
Starks get the army and end Ramsey, and reclaim the north then start thinking about the WW. KL is less predictable. I don’t think there will be a trial by combat. Sparrow will outsmart Cercei again and she will go ape shit. Casualties will abound, including the birds going stabby on Pycelle,Kevan, Sparrow. Cercei burns the city with Wildfire. Tommen dies.
Blackfish is not yielding RR, not even if they threaten Edmure. They have had him however long, what sense does that make? I really think, Brienne will be forced to choose whether to off Jaime or not. He took up arms against Catelyn’s kin when he swore he wouldn’t. I personally hope he dies. He’s useless in the show especially. Never taking responsibility, always following , usually Cercei
Tycho Nestoris,
I think the main cast get, if not the scripts for the whole thing, then at least a good overview of what’s happening in general, whereas those in smaller roles only seem to know about the things that affect them directly. Although obviously people can pick up stuff from other cast members as well. If I was in it I’d certainly be swapping plot points with others. “Oooh you’ll never guess what my lot are up to….*whisper whisper*….how about you?” Trade WTF moments 🙂
Luka Nieto: I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
Acting! I mean, could you have seen Hugh Laurie doing House given his characters in that series?
Tycho Nestoris: Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
It turns out that some of the actors get overall scripts and others just get their own scripts. Part of the reason why we had gotten inconsistent stories about whether actors got to see stuff other than their own material was because it has not been consistent! Moreover, Turner and Williams seem pretty chummy: they probably simply talk about what they have done.
gnarlytarly: but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
Many times? I cannot even think of one off of the top of my head!
Ginevra: I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
The problem is that the show has provided no indication that Rickon can warg. Moreover, I would bet that it would take a very skilled warg to influence Ramsay’s dogs. Animals can resist warging, and Ramsay’s dogs seem to see him as their Alpha. At any rate, given that Rickon is not one of the main characters, I would think that his fate needs to be determined by Jon or Sansa.
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
The FM are NO ONE – they have no names, they give up their identities when they agree to join. They do not introduce themselves with names, unless I suppose when they are playing a part and assume an identity as part of a mission, which is why Jaqen has a name. So no, she isn’t Waif in the show, the waif was just a nickname Arya gave to her in the books, no one had names, so she made up nicknames for everyone.
The actress is listed as the Waif in cast listing to denote who she is, but other than that no she has no name on the show. There is enough general online chatter and discussion for most casual watchers to refer to her as the Waif, there really is no excuse a reviewer – a little basic research would give the name. The average joe watching at home that never looks at GOT related social media or reviews or has a friend/co-worker that does (there must be a few) – probably not.
Jonathan Pryce is putting on a clinic this year on how to subtly convey several different things at once. It’s seriously good acting.
I am getting sceptical that Jon/Sansa’s campaign trail results in any substantial support. It seems Meli going to come handy somehow and make the King of the North in the end.
3b
-they don’t know he has an army willing to enter they fight. remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I suppose it’s possible that the Waif doesn’t find and confront Arya until episode 8… but… I’m a bit more confused now though. In this picture above supposedly from episode 7 she’s wearing the same outfit and same hairdo as in those pictures HBO released before the season of her in the water. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/maisie-williams-game-of-thrones-333243.jpg So now I’m wondering why she’s running from someone and jumping off of a building in one outfit and in a canal in another. She’s not Missandei and has a new outfit every time she’s on screen. 😛
Hodors Bastard: Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
My bet is that the Glovers are going to give Sansa et al. the cold shoulder, both because of Jon’s and Sansa’s propensity to figuratively and literally marry enemies! Besides, when does anything ever come easy for Starks? However, House Mormant seems to be the one good bet. At least in the books, the Wildlings are not their nemesis: the Iron Born are. And the Old Bear is from that house, so they are the one house that might have taken all of those ravens seriously. Still, even they never sent aid to the Wall: perhaps they figured that Gramps had gone nuts!
SerVader:
FINALLY I hope we get our good ol’ Jaime back!
I call Jaime in the Riverlands “Jaime doing senior management” which he has not really done before as a Kingsguard. Jaime thinks
while riding through the besiegers at RR that camping with soldiers and doing warfare is what he really likes to do.
So I’m wondering what he will choose to do now that he is no longer vowed to the KG. Possibilities open up.
Trust No One: remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I think that the bigger issue is that this is going to be key for Sansa’s part in the story. She does not want LF’s help. However, she probably is going to need it. And at some point, she’s going to have to accept that sometimes you have compromise and accept disagreeable allies in order to accomplish your goals. That seems to be the basic story this year.
SEVEN HELLS!!! BRONN IS BACKKK, BITCHES!!!!. SOOOO HYPE. IS IT SUNDAY YET?!?
Nadia: Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening.
Sansa doesn’t have Theon. Theon left to go to the Iron Islands and got caught up in the Kingsmoot. He’s currently on a fleet with Yara sailing to Essos.
Tycho Nestoris: Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
The main actors get the full scripts, not just their parts.
Kamali:
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
Kamali:
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfit. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
oh will be good to see the reaction he has if he finds the half burned buck he carved for her next to the burnt pyre knowing red women burn her
Does anyone have any prediction/theories on how exactly the Manderly’s will play into this? Their armies have been mentioned twice now but
No leaks or promo footage of them at the battle of the bastards? I know someone resembling Wyman has been cast, but will he be making his appearance at Bear Island or in episode 8? If so, where is his army in the footage of the battle? And if it’s episode 8, what will be the circumstances behind him switching allegiances? (will he have already declared for the Boltons in episode 7? Then why would Davos even meet with him? Where would they even be meeting? who he is speaking to, etc) This really has me stumped.
Tycho Nestoris:
Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
The main actors get the full scripts. In Sophie’s case, however, she didn’t read anything not pertaining to her own storyline — though she knows the details of Arya’s (much like last year), I imagine because Maisie is her sister from another mister and they talk a lot, so she’d know what Maisie is up to.
Arya’s list is not a fixed thing. Names can be added and quickly crossed off. Remember the scene in S4 where Arya and the Hound ran into Biter and Rorge? Arya wouldn’t kill Rorge until she found out his name, then immediately killed him right after hearing “Rorge.”
My guess is Arya *will* cross three names off her list. It’s just that she’ll have to add two names to her list first.
Name #1 will be the Waif (or whatever name they give her on the show).
Name #2 is likely going to be Walder Frey at the end of this season.
My only stumbling block was name #3. I’m fairly certain it won’t be Cersei (her death is reserved for the Valonqar) or the Mountain (that’ll be either the Hound or the Sand Snakes). But the more I think about it, the more I think #3 will be Jaqen H’ghar once Arya realizes who sent the Waif after her.
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread.Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
If you Ctrl-F (Cmmd-F on the Mac) on a webpage and type in your name, ash, then you can search and find all of the instances of your name. Of course, it would help if your name was more unique since “ash” could easily be parts of other words or even just a word that doesn’t mean you. But I know if I see Ginevra, I’ve either commented on the thread or should read that comment.
Also, and perhaps I shouldn’t admit this, but I typically skip at least half of the comments – sometimes 75% or more. I read those I know and love and those who generally have something interesting to contribute, and I skip right over the rest.
Having just finished S3 for Ripper Street, this is a banner week for GOT, with Jerome Flynn (Bronn/Bennet Drake), Clive Russell (Blackfish/Chief Inspector Abberline), and perhaps even Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen/Harry Ward) showing up in the same episode.
Ripper Street generally is a good show to watch if you’re playing “spot the GOT actor”.
I buy your explanation of the list issue and I agree that she could put the Waif on it. However I theorize that the third named will be Thoros of Myr who she will run into in the Riverlands either before or after killing Walder Frey
Yeah I get that, but they have to know that the Vale has an army (regardless of LF), and that given their tie to Catelyn, they may likely support a Stark claim to the North. Seems like a somewhat obvious *potential* ally when they are scrambling so hard to find any
Possibly, but Arya had Thoros (and Bedric and Red Witch) on her list at one point in S4, then that list got reduced to just Trant, Cersei, Mountain, and Walder Frey at some point between S4 and S5. Why would she suddenly re-add Thoros (and why would the writers not include Thoros if they were planning on having her off him this season?).
I did see another possible list victim being mentioned in another comment, tho. The actress who plays fake Sansa. I can see Arya adding that actress’s name (because if she’s willing to hire somebody to kill a person solely to get a better role, she’s probably not a nice person), offing her, then taking her face so she can get on a boat to Westeros without being found out. Arya does know how to put on a new face, as we saw in S5E10.
Probably not this episode. I’m expecting him at the beginning of E9, before the big battle.
trarecar: I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
Oh good point, me too. I got a funny feeling when Waif and Arya were talking and the Waif kept asking Arya all kinds of personal questions – who are members of her family and where are they now … I was glad Arya answered that she didn’t know. Do you think the Waif already had intentions of following Arya around and making trouble?
you know dany horse became a snack to the dragon lol
Great stuff, and we still have more to come
Blackfish is great
Jaimie as Lord of Casterly Rock as I guess he is now is great to see. Part of me suspects this is part of a build-up to the Lannisters and Tyrells having to leave KL, eg they’ll have strong victories in this E7 and E8 but then they’ll crash horrifically at the end
As for the Starks and Tully’s who they seem to have an inverse relationship (Lannister high and Stark low was when Ice was being melted down and Lannisters were getting their own VS sword)
Suspect they may go from low, go a bit high, have a blip (being BF loses RR and Rickon dies) but then catapult high. Jon probably inherits the Stark side of things and Sansa the Tully’s (who won’t follow Jon).
Technically Bran should inherit it all but he’s gone from KitN to lofty 3-eyed crow!
Great to see some Tyrell soldiers around KL as going by that QoT pic, makes a nice change from Lannisters being de facto Royal Army…especially when mace is sent to Braavos an inexpicably has no Household guard
Cersei caused the deaths of Micah, Lady, and Ned. Arya will never forgive Cersei, unless she becomes ‘No One’. The person we saw in Blood of My Blood was Arya Stark and not No One. She was not empathizing with Cersei, but she was feeling sad for Lady Crane actress, whose well-rendered dialogues were about tragedy and cruelty of death. Arya’s conversation later has nothing to do with Cersei, (although we as viewers know that Arya’s estimate of Cersei was accurate) but herself. This was moments after she gazed at Ned’s head prop. At the end of conversation, when Lady Crane asks if Mercy like pretending to be other people, she answers ‘I have to go, my father is waiting’. She is leaving Braavos and Facelessmen, and she is doing that for her father. Avenging Ned involves killing/torturing Cersei. Arya may forgive Hound and Ilyn Payne because they were acting on orders, but Cersei had an active role in destroying Arya’s family. If she moves on, she will no longer be Arya Stark.
ETA: Also this was Cersei reacting to Joffrey’s death. There is no reason for Arya to feel bad. If Cersei was mourning Tommen or Myrcella, Arya might feel sadness or pity, but not in case of Joffrey.
I can’t wait for the BF scenes in RR. Plus, Bronn is also there. I detect there will be high levels of sarcasm thrown everywhere.
the BF not caring the Freys want to hang Edmure. They threaten to hang him and BF will be like , “So what? Piss Off” Calling their bluff and going back inside. The Freys fail because they are so dumb.
Bronn adding his own snark into the mix. It is going to be so good.
This made me sad. (Got a thing for horses – I was more sad about Smiler and Dancer than men of Winterfell like Rodrik or Luwin)
Have to say that I’m actually looking forward to the adapted AFfC stuff concerning Jaimie and the RL, think it will be done well in the show
Also worth mentioning, people whinged about it not being included chronologically, but the placement of it in the show may end up making good sense
OMG
OMG
Finally…
DEEPWOOD MOTTE!!!
I think the next target is Loras. He is still in prison. HS can messed him up even more.
Dee:
I am most excited for the North! then the Riverrun stuff
SO DAMMMM EXCITED
Same. But the river land storyline is looking juicy.
Also I honestly want more Kings Landing, I’m intrigued at the games people play there. They’re all one card away to put all their chips on the table
I bet the new target for the high sparrow will be The Mountain.
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
I’m not usually attracted to older men, but holy cow did he looks sexy in that preview.
imjustsayin: Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger. NO NO NO, that can’t happen. Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey. I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
She does know how to put on a face if she has a face to put on. Last season, she stole a face from the Hall of Faces because she had access to the Hall. Will she be able to steal any, now? Does she know how to make the faces? Will Jaqen share that secret with her? These are the questions at the heart of Arya’s entire Braavos story, IMO. She needs to either take some faces or the secret to making faces with her, and then all of her time will be worth it.
True, negotiations are going to be in Danys favor, but the Greyjoys do have a lot to offer her.
I imagine some Tyrion/Theon interactions will be involved. They actually met that one time! Tyrion surely will be surprised at the change he’s gone through.
Thronetender: Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger.NO NO NO, that can’t happen.Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
I think it’s both because if Arya remains intent on revenge she will have become the very thing she hates in others. And actually if she reminds herself about the death of her father she’ll remember Cersei opposed Ned’s execution.
I wonder if getting denied by Northern houses and seeing how reluctant the Wildlings are is what makes Sansa tell Jon about the Vale? I’m holding out hope that she doesn’t continue to lie about that, and I can’t imagine she keeps that information if they really are having trouble rallying the North.
Maybe the letter she’s writing in the preview is to the Vale forces?
They sure do, they have best navy in Westeros and Yara is a most capable commander, but I would expect Varys to be suspicious and perhaps question if it would be wise to trust them with the transportation of their entire army.
Yes they did, back when half the Starks were alive and Theon was too cocky for his own good! Can’t wait for them to meet, i do believe that we will be in for a treat!
On another note if it took them an episode to reach Volantis then it’s safe to assume that if Dany leaves Essos in the season finale then she will arrive to Westeros by next season’s premiere.
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that. This is one of the deviations that really didn’t work well in the context of the characters. It severed the plot, not the characters. Since the decision wasn’t developed beforehand, the abruptness of it didn’t really make sense from the characters POV. Neither Littlefiger or Sansa would take such an unnecessary risk, especially as their first option. (Not to mention LF just leaving her there to handle it all alone, grrr.) A little more development might have worked it out, but the show didn’t spend/have time to. You just are forced to accept it and move on.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey.I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
Right. Up to this point young Arya has had a very black and white point of view about her enemies – but we saw some hints of her maturing with the Hound, the FM realized she didn’t hate him anymore before she realized it. She just wasn’t ready to see the other side. This was just another example of her maturing and realizing that her enemies are real people who also care about their family. It doesn’t mean that she will forgive or stop hating them, but like you said put other more important things, like reuniting with her family, above simply living for revenge.
Guys, I hate to break it to you. But that’s not Deepwood Motte. It’s not wooden.
(A joke, but I’d understand if the show not going that route with the design.)
You’ve also brought up an important point. Arya has been training at the temple of black and white (why didn’t I see this before) and has now come to the realisation the the world is not black and white but more nuanced and a patchwork of greys – and not surprisingly the also Stark family colour.
Wimsey: Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
Definitely the wildling factor will be interesting in building their northern alliance. Skepticism will dominate the northern houses! I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
The “I did what I had to do to survive” does apply to Joffrey and Tyrion, but not Ramsay. She married him out of choice – her own plot with LF. Just because it went wrong, doesn’t mean the North has to help her take it back.
That is to say, most women at that time can’t fight against their husbands just because they don’t LIKE them. Sansa might have a harder time getting support – they need to emphasize Rickon
I disagree a bit. Her ark is that she goes from innocent and pure to vengeful. She doesn’t have to come back from that, nor do I think she can. She has been corrupted as a child and that will stick with her. She almost has to die in the end. I think it would be poetic if she turned down happiness and returned herself the the House of Black and White after her list was completed and donated her face to the wall. Get one final scene with “Arya” assassinating someone.. Though we know it’s not her.
I like the site activity too. I just worry about jumping in when I’m so far behind reading.
I do wonder if I’m going to need to peddle these nude selfies I have of you to D&D to get spoilers this hiatus. I mean, in case you thought I’d forgotten…
I’m not against the idea that she has to come back to the temple of black and white but to do so she needs to become no one and to achieve that she has to let go of the past.
I’m not sure the temple will remain after the long night. Its more probable that all the institutions conceived in this world under a particular understanding will have that certainty undone. I’m seeing no throne, no kingdom, no gods.
imjustsayin: That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
How can Arya contribute to the story if she cannot evolve as a character anymore? Arya will prevail: the question is, how, and at what cost?
viki: Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
You’re right that the “I did what I had to do” excuse only applies to one of her marriages and not both. I hadn’t thought of that. The circumstances were vastly different, and I hope the show and Sansa don’t gloss over it when questioned by the Northern lords.
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
Hodors Bastard: I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
If they are smart, then they will have the Wildlings stay away. It is not just that Northerners would attack a Wildling host: given that the bad feelings exist on both sides, it would be just too easy for a Wildling to “settle an old score” a la Lawrence of Arabia.
One thing that jumped out at me last week was the vehemence with which Tarley spoke of the Wildlings. If the southerners hate them so, then it really is small wonder that the Umbers were so desperate to cement an alliance with the Boltons. (But, then from what we see and read of the Wildlings’ deeds and feelings to the “southerners,” can we blame them?)
Shane snow: Littlefingers own advice to tywin. We only make peace with our enemies. Sansa can remember what happened at a later time and settle it then.
True! However, this can affect multiple scenarios. One reason why I’ve thought that Jon and Sansa are going to have troubles gaining allies is that this is the view we expect the Northerners to take towards the Boltons: no, we have not forgotten the Red Wedding, but a Wildling Invasion is a much more pressing matter.
That written, all of those things will get put on hold once they actually see wights and realize, sacred feces, they are real!
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
Maybe. The Blackfish is a black sheep badass, so it is hard to predict what he’ll do. I don’t think he’s just going to hand the castle over to the enemy, no matter what his lord says. And I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing. If POTUS were kidnapped and held at gunpoint by enemy combatants, we should say, “We’re so sorry. You served us well. Your sacrifice will never be forgotten.” But we shouldn’t hand over the keys to the kingdom.
I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
I was thinking what’s that under the sheet..y is cersei looking at it ….untill I realised it was ollena’s head ….hehehe. ….
wow arya looks cool….and I want tyrion next episode ….
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
QueenofThrones: Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion.But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all.Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
I am SanSan to the core (more in book verse) but agree that the sexual undertones where muted and probably side-stepped because Sophie was underage while filming. What I do think D&D did well was show Sandor’s protective nature towards both the Stark girls, when he had no reason to give a damn. I think Sansa got under his skin, same with Arya but for totally different reasons. And I loved that. I don’t think the tale between the three is over by any stretch (I still think Sandor is the “Knight” Sansa dreamed about growing up…just in an unexpected package and not necessarily romantically).
As for the age different between the actors, that is neither here nor there for me. I never expected for D&D to take the romantic route but even if they did, I don’t ship Rory and Sophie. So the age of the actor doesn’t matter (unless they are underage, then no thanks) as long as it works for the character.
That doesn’t matter to be honest. At that day and age, a man who treats his wife brutally isn’t enough to go to war over.
The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Great pics. The Riverrun and North arcs seem exciting. Can’t wait for the North remembers speech
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
Here’s how I see things:
Arya will face the waif and the true test will be revealed, like people have said, she will kill the waif, Jaqen will be pleased that she passed her final test, the waif losing hers. They part on good terms. The famous chase scene is not a chance at all, but Arya deciding to leave with the theatre troupe, swimming out to their boat that has just left port.
Btw o/t but Gendry is in bravos. He rowed to KL and stowed in a ship bound for Bravos, thus getting him far away from Meli and the other threats he faced as Roberts’ bastard. There, he has used his trade and found work in a smiths shop. The same shop that Tywin hired and brought over to rework Ned’s VS sword ice? iirc. Gendry will have apprenticed under him this whole time…somehow he makes it to slavers bay where Tyrion meets up with him and offers him a job as Dany’s royal Smith, bringing him back to Westeros.
LF wrote the letter to Jonsa and co. To bate them into battle against ramsey. What actually causes bastardbowl, is the Smalljon double cross twist, and poor Rickon’s death. It’s LF plan that the two forces decimate themselves, and he can bring the Vale forces in to clean up, thus fulling his goal to become the warden of the north on his way to conquering the 7 kingdoms.
Hold the door though cuz this backfires on LF. As he’s marching his army of the vale towards WF, with the army et al believing they are going to help, they see the battle has already,for the most part, occurred and the last of boltons remaining forces are defeated. Ramsey how ever thinks he can flee and attempts to escape More on this in a bit.
First, as LF orders his army to then turn on Jonsa and co, Lord (who I can’t remember his name at this point as this is just spewing from my head as I type but was the one who almost went thru the moon door when Robyn got his eagle) turns against LF and refuses to attack Stark men. The army is now under the control of this lord and LF is taken prisoner.
Meanwhile, as the Starks know their home better than anyone, Ramsey thinks he’s escaped only to see Sansa. In a moment that Ramsey is startled and already wounded in the Smalljon twist, Sansa drives a dagger slowly into his heart as she gives an amazing speech at how he hurt her so much but that killing him right there and now gives her so much satisfaction. And with that Ramsey meets his end, by the very hand of the person he hurt the most. Oh but did I tell u that at that moment, she feels a kick in her stomach and knows what it means. The death of a monster, is also followed by the confirmation of that monster’s child growing inside her…
Mean while LF is taken before Sansa after all the dust has settle. Through the assistance of Robyn who shows up at some point during the battle, and learns of the LF plot, orders LF to be thrown thru the moon door. But Sansa says something like screw that, and plunges the same dagger she used to kill Ramsey, into LF’s heart. Saying he’s used her for the last time a look of fear, sadness and remorse comes across LF face as he dies. Yup Sansa sure does have the redemption type season she said she would. The houses that are left standing proclaim her Queen of the North! After a long cheer Sansa looking like the queen she was meant to be, she clutched her stomach and begins to have a miscarriage. Blood dripping down her leg, she stands up straight and with a smile of relief and confidence we cut to black. Episode over.
Thoughts? Sorry about long post. This literally came to me as I typed it. It is known.
Lyanna Mormont plays a pivotal role in this episode. She knows something significant and does something significant for a major character. TV Guide’s nonsense about Game of Thrones not having the ability to shock their audience anymore? Get back to me on that Monday morning TV Guide…
Blanche Holstein:
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
Jamie, Bronn and Blackfish at Riverrun!
Maybe he’ll show his scars to prove that he’s fulfilled his oath
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in show that is an awesome way for that little battle in the north to play out , lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Yes. Perfect. And I disagree that she had a choice – Littlefinger has her out in the middle of nowhere, giving her this ‘choice’ when she knows she has no place else to go. I’d give her a break, tho understand that the Northmen probably won’t.
Hee, yeah Jamie Lannister would certainly help, you are sweet. Thanks for the good wishes 🙂
viki: It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
That was my first thought too! I really wish they would have put her in his quilted vest as a nod to him and a gift for those who pay attention.
I wonder if Arya gets to see Jaqen one last time. I think she knows she can’t risk it but that would be a sad end to their relationship. I am hoping for some kind of twist to this story before Arya grabs her water jet pack and heads back to Westeros. She honestly could be there by episode 8 at this rate.
I thought Theon tricked the Ironborn into handing DM over to the Boltons, who promptly slaughtered them…
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book hinted ? because i had my own thoughts that Sam was gonna run into him when he takes a ship from where he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel = VS), so sails around to KL for wild fire(this is if its needed ,might just be dragond glass and steel melted together) and to dragon stone (which is where Gendry was rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam ask gendry who he is where he came from , he replies was blacksmith (sam like oh i need one of them ) was heading to join nights watch but shit happen ,then was going to join brotherhood without banner but shit happend ,now he rowing on way to KL (or was there when sam was getting wildfire in fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well im nights watch and convince him that they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry wants most family feels, so they go and start making VS and dragonglass arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i haven’t slept for ages lol.
From the preview, it might not end good for Sansa… she did have a choice in marrying Ramsay. She could have gone to the Northern houses instead and rally them, like she’s doing right now. Someone might point that out to her. Most of the Northern houses have lost many of their families/friends in Red Wedding… so her marrying into the Bolton traitors who were backed by the equally hated Lannisters will reduce her significance as the one with the Stark name, in the eyes of the Northerners. Although the bastard, Jon has more chance of getting support because he’s a leader and a war veteran. After all in medieval world, many respects strength.
I can see Rickon as the one they’ll rally for, and support Jon’s leadership in the battlefield. Sansa will be seen as ‘damaged goods’, which will possibly lead her to go back to Littlefinger. It sucks, which might end up getting true.
In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her? NED told Sansa about the north’s loyalty to the Starks (episode 5). What about always needing a Stark in Winterfell? Were Ned, Tywin, Roose and everybody else wrong about the north’s devotion to the Starks? Which ultimately should overcome any misgivings the houses might have towards Sansa and Jon. Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
If the show goes that route, it feels like they are going back on an important Stark quality they have set up for many seasons.
Darren Prebble:
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in showthat is an awesome way for that little battle in the northto play out, lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Hi there! Thanks for the reply. Tbh, this was one of those Stairway to Heaven moments (although not anywhere near as good lets face it lol) where it just wrote itself and just flowed as I was typing! I have not read the books but plan to after the series is over. I want to experience this ride and then dig deeper with the back stories of the books.
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
No, I do not think this is plausible, because Arya-Face Waif does afterwards, it would not be things the real Arya would do. Also, how would this work as a book POV, where we can read the main characters’ thoughts?
I will be interested to see how Arya defeats the Waif, given that the Waif clearly out-classes her in any type of normal combat and anything related to Arya’s training by the faceless men. Needle would be insufficient, because the Waif would not assume Arya was incapable of arming herself…indeed, the Waif would assume the opposite.
Arya needs an ace-up-the-sleeve to win such a fight, and while the books have hinted at one
(warging)
the show has not. It is not impossible that the show will do that even without the setup (indeed, that is my preference) but we will see. There has to be a logic behind how Arya can suddenly defeat someone who just days before totally p’owned her, and I am not seeing a lot of other great options. Hopefully it does not involve outside help. That would dramatically weaken her arc. She’s gotta earn this one on her own.
Darren Prebble:
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book
hinted ? because i had my own
thoughts that Sam was gonna run into
him when he takes a ship from where
he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel
= VS), so sails around to KL for wild
fire(this is if its needed ,might just be
dragond glass and steel melted
together) and to dragon stone (which is
where Gendrywas rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in
making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam
ask gendry who he is where he came
from , he replies was blacksmith (sam
like oh i need one ofthem ) was heading
to join nights watch but shit happen
,then was going to join brotherhood
without banner but shit happend ,now
he rowing on way to KL (or was there
when sam was getting wildfire in
fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well
im nights watch and convince him that
they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry
wants mostfamily feels, so they go and
start making VS and dragonglass
arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i
haven’t slept for ages lol.
Nope. I have not read the books. And like you I thought something like u described here. But then I thought more likely he will meet Tyrion at some point who knows who he his if I’m not mistaken, though correct me if I’m wrong, and learns of his skill and trade. Knowing of the battle that is coming and thru assistance of kynvara (spelling) they enlist his skills. That’s how he gets back to Westeros. I remember an interview from the writers that said the battle while require everyone to come together to fight the real threat. Where as I see Sam knowing what a VS sword can do, I’m not sure if he and Gendry cross paths. More like the more people in different paths knowing what VS can do, the better. Now, they could entirely meet at some point and Gendry could rework Heartsbane into smaller weapons, mirroring what Tywin did. Hmm that works too. The beauty of these kinds of discussion is they can evolve from the original theory. I love that!!
Phoenix_from_Ice: In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
he both has an affection for Stark girls and was there when LF betrayed Ned Stark
.
Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
the Hound
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
i think she will she Jaqen again . she will kill that chick after her give face to house black and white Jaqen will be happy and then tell her that he was told in the past to find her and train her by bran visiting the past which turns out why Jaqen a man with many face get caught in first place(bran prob tells him of her destiny and that if he helps her she will save him , which is true but its going to get her that put a man life in position needing to be saved lol), was on purpose to meet arya, his first test for her was would she help/give a stranger water if ask nice( save a stranger because there good) she was going to but other fucker didn’t ask nice demanding beer. Jaqen was happy with outcome even tho he got no water, this test is done again at the end of her training to see if she will still use what she learn for good , in refusing to kills some nice actor. death does not come for the wicked and leave the good , death wants his faces one way or another, another face must be added arya gonna be stealing good lives/faces from death and replacing there spot with wicked lives/faces. this is how she offers the names of her list to the many face god ,save someone good make bad guy take place , like what happen at start saves/stole 3 lives and replaces them jaqen help her with that .
aabe: The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes.
Have they ever done two episodes in a row without Dinklage?
Greyjoy Infrastructure: I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
There was a casting call for a character where the description sounded suspiciously like Lord Manderly.
Chad Brick: I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
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Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
Oh is the
Hound’s return
for real? That would be awesome then. Although I don’t think Littlefinger’s gonna die this season, in the next one most likely he will. Sansa must reconnect first with her cousin Robin and shift his allegiance to her if they don’t want him avenge his favorite Uncle Petyr’s death.
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Shit has to go down in Harpy Town to make D’s arrival with a huge army significant and to help win over the slaves who are less than happy with her now, and to smash the Son’s of the Harpy once and for all.
Will he ever know. Frey ain’t long for this world me thinks.
i don’t think that tyrion ever did meet gendry , unless u meaning he meets and hear he story over there at same time he hires him to make them like u said. and i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it . i think from tyrion point of view if he gets a blacksmith it would just be for normal swords for dany army to attack men holding the throne. noone but sam and the nights watch know about VS real use is for ww . rest world don’t believe in grumpkins and what not. as onion knight tells gendry he be safe in kinglanding kings guard didn’t know what he look like , only the redwomen new what he look like . so i don’t see why he would go all the way over seas anywhere in westeros be fine just not near stannis and red women area. unlike the imp who everyone new his face and name so he had to go accross the seas bit hard for him to take a new name but gendry golden for just new name , sorry for all things that make this hard to read (for the writting is dark and full or errors lol )
The Glovers don’t technically hold a Lordship, am I right? So is the correct title Master Glover? Anyway, Robett looks like he’s going to be a real jerk about things. Could be ’cause Sansa married a Bolton, and Jon is seen as an Oathbreaker and Wildling lover. Maybe he’s having a FML moment. He did lose his brother at the Red Wedding (on the show I assume), and just took back Deepwood Motte from the Greyjoys.
Darren Prebble: i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it .
Tyrion was more contemplative of Mormant’s note than others, but we should not expect that he believes that White Walkers exist. To put it in modern terms, it is like two people hearing that there are lots of UFO sightings in an area. The Pycelle equivalent just dismisses it as too many people drinking, smoking or something-elsing too much. The Tyrion equivalent does think some odd is happening: but he/she think that it’s some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, or perhaps a nearby military base testing something new and not terribly secretly. Neither of them think “It’s aliens!” because that is absurd. As Samwell’s little brother said: “There’s no such thing.” Still, that does not mean that the Wildlings are not up to something nasty.
Karen: What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
is that speculation or a hint for something you know for certain? No need to know specifics, my mind is already going back to the message she wrote to Stannis and making its own conclusions.
How many Broken Men are there and what does this episode intend to say about what a broken man might still achieve? Or if achievement is even the issue. Anybody have any ideas what the theme will be built into?
Bran, Theon, the Hound, Frankenmonster, Benjen, …
I might have added Tyrion and Varys, but both of them seem to have overcome their injuries and mental damage and seem to be functioning as whole humans. Yet, they have been profoundly damaged in the past, so would probably qualify. Maybe to show that broken men can still find worth in the eyes of the world and in their own eyes. I’m just thinking off the top of my head now. Can’t wait until Sunday
Mrs. Podrick Payne: I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her?
That was before the Wildlings invaded. That is a major emergency for the Northerners, as Wildling raiding parties are enough to keep major stretches of the North uninhabitable. Now thousands of them are in Westeros. (We know that the number able to fight is low and that they are in bad shape: but they would assume that all of the Wildlings present are there to raid, and the number of Wildlings south of the Wall would grow with every retelling.)
Mrs. Podrick Payne: Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
The lords of the Northern houses also have sworn oaths to protect their vassals, their peasants and their towns. Moreover, the Starks are sworn to help them do so: a vow that the Starks are not fulfilling very well owing to their destruction! So, from their point of view, they have a choice: they can fulfill one set of oaths and possible survive, or another set of oaths and almost certainly perish.
Remember, the other Northern houses do not exist to prop up the Starks. They exist to perpetuate themselves. For a long while, being the Starks’ liegemen helped that. Now, it not only is not helping, but it might be hindering. We should look at this not as “loyal=good, disloyal=bad”: but instead recognize that the Northerners are going to be stuck between enemies, and that their first obligations are to their peoples, not to the Starks.
Nadia: The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Well, those who do go up against the Boltons basically are revolting against Kings Landing. Tommen (or perhaps Joffery), or people acting in one of their names, appoint the Wardens. The locals can like it or lump it. Here, some of them might be lumping it.
However, one thing to note is that it would be the Wardens job to organize the people in his ward given invasion of any sort or another. In the books, Ned is realizing that he probably is going to have to rally the North against Mance, as Ned strongly suspects that Mance is the cause of the problems behind the Wall and that Mance intends to invade Westeros. Technically, it’s now Ramsay’s job to rally the North against invasion.
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
Karen:
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Ramsey wrote to him that she was “poisoned by our enemies” 🙂
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die. The Faceless Men, have a strange sense pragmatism.
I don’t think they will go after Arya if she has killed the Waif, or rather I doubt they will pursue her within Westeros. I don’t think this is a final test for Arya, more likely it was a final test for the Waif, if gets killed by Arya then she just wasn’t good enough. Or it could be a test for both, for Arya it finally shows that she will never be No One, and for the Waif might also be a test of her skills attitude. One of them will die, it seems like it does not particularly matter to the Faceless men who will ultimately die.
Names could be removed from Arya’s list, it does not mean that she will personally get to kill those people. Most of the people who have been removed from her list wasn’t killed by her personally.
It will be good to have her back in Westeros.
I must admit that Northern storyline is frustrating me a little bit to some degree.
It is obvious that Sansa and Jon would have some points against them, but look at who they are going up against, the worst person/ bastard within Westeros.
He has already begun to flay minor Lords. There is no way that Ramsay would be of any help during the Winter.
Ramsay will do what he wants and he would kill whoever he wants. He already killed his father, stepmother and brother. If he can kill his own family like that, then you have no guarantees, and everyone in the North knows that he is is responsible for killing his family. On top of it the Boltons are also responsible for a lot of Northern deaths.
Really the coming winter alone should make them want to get rid of Ramsay, he would rather kill someone and feed that person to his dogs, then to feed someone.
The Bolton army was already very strong last season, did he really need the biggest allies in the north? A fight between those Bolton forces and the Wildlings could have been more than enough. I perfectly understand why the Karstark would join Ramsay, but the Umbers could just as easily have used Rickon to blackmail Jon against the wildlings, rather than going to Ramsay.
But all of these details doesn’t really matter that much, the problem is more about the scenario that they setting up and recreating here.
They are creating a very regular battle, something that they have done before something that they have actually with done every big battle so far.
One force struggles and almost loses, and then a third party comes to the rescue. The Starks will struggle and they will almost be completely lost until the Vale arrives to save the day.
It has already been established that Southern armies tends to suffer in the North during winter time, if the Vale arrived refreshed at this battle it will be a bit of a contradiction. They are also not really supposed to just get past Moat Caillin.
There is obviously some justifiable question marks against Jon and Sansa, but the North don’t really have any realistic reason to support Ramsay before the Starks. Fear is a good motivator against Ramsay but ultimately he is just too unstable. There is nothing to indicate that Ramsay wouldn’t just torture and kill them off at some stage.
They may not believe that Jon was resurrected, but he could still show them his wounds and tell them about the assassination attempt. Jon also has the letter of Ramsay as proof of his intentions. Even if Jon was still in the Nights Watch it would not be too strange for him to go around within the North and try to enlist some support against Ramsay’s threats.
Jon and the leaders of the Nights Watch before him also sent out many letters asking for support against the Wildings. No one in the North tried to help or offer any support, thus Jon dealt with the Wildlings with the tools that was available to him at the time. They know perfectly well that Jon has asked for support.
It wouldn’t be easy for anyone to believe that the White Walkers are back, most people wouldn’t believe it. Most people also don’t believe in giants, they have Wun Wun. Even if the people still dont believe in the White Walkers after seeing Wun Wun, it might still give them a bit of pause. It shows that there at least might be some truth to some of these ancient stories.
Sansa could just claim that she was betrayed by Littlefinger and that he sold her to the Boltons.
They might have question marks against Jon and Sansa, but they also have some proof to support what they are saying.
The support between the different houses could be handled a bit more subtly. Right now it is all very straight forwardly, a strong unbeatable Bolton force, with the biggest houses in the North, against the delipidated Stark force, that includes Wildlings and a few people from some small houses.
While on the other hand it feels like they are trying to add almost too much intrigue in order to delay Cersei’s trial within Kings Landing. They are dragging out her big moment of vengeance until episode 10.
And then there is Jon, they haven’t done anything with his resurrection. They could just as well have let Jon receive Ramsay’s letter and he could have left the Night Watch, by his own choice without being killed. That would actually/ have resulted in more character development then having him killed off and be brought back from the dead. His resurrection isn’t even giving him the support of the Wildlings. It sometimes just seems like the Starks have to work to hard for any support, it becomes a bit repetitive.
He is suppose to have a big story this season, but he has barely spoken a few words. Which might imply that they are treating his season in a similar fashion to season 4. He did not do much until the Battle of the Wall. We will again likely see more of action Jon then anything else. It was great to finally have a Stark reunion, but I am not sure that they the time or the material to develop both Sansa and Jon at the same time. Perhaps it would have better if they had kept their stories separately.
But all of this properly sounds a lot more critical than I really meant to imply. I also know that you sometimes need a bit of patience in this show. It is really difficult for them to move forward with all of these different plot lines.
I do hope that this episode will show some of the interesting dynamics that is at play in the North.
Luka Nieto:
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
Watch Black Death, he’s pretty grim in that. It’s got Sean bean in it too!
It wasn’t really nonsense though. The debate wasn’t purely speculative but fueled by an interview Sophie gave and a line by one of the D’s from “inside the episode.”
Boudica:
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die.
That would make little sense from a storytelling pov.
The faceless are supposed to be the most sought after Assassins in asoiaf. How would the death of Arya/the Waif instead of Lady Crane satisfy the person who has paid the faceless for their service?
Unless there was never a contract and Jaqen made it all up as a test for Arya.
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
We have never been told why Ser Joer Mormont joined the NW. Perhaps he knew something, and consequently his niece also knows it.
I agree with almost everything you say. Jon’s resurrection seems almost purposeless right now. It would have been better for Jon’s character development, if he had decided to leave the NW after getting the PL without all this death and resurrection drama, (or maybe just have him be wounded badly after his NW brothers attacked him) which only served to give him a convenient out from his vows and nothing else.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
I agree with you. A lot of the obstacles feel forced and Ramsay has been ridiculously overpowered. I’m pretty upset as well with how they handled Jon’s post-resurrection arc so far. I’m hoping Jon gets something to do besides swing a sword in the coming episodes. Maybe the possible arrival of Bran will give Jon more character development (but that won’t happen this season for sure). I’m pretty annoyed LF is being shoved into this storyline too.
pras:
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
The picture of Jansavos shows Jon in the middle and he seems like the one talking. Let’s hope he’s being presented as the leader/general of this campaign and that he’d have some compelling things to say.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
Funny, I was busy at work and didn’t see these until this morning and what was the first thing I said? BRONN!!!! Pics are amazing and I’m soooooooo hyped too:)
I was always under the impression he will be revived because he’s one of those 3 prophetical icons , not just simply as a means to get out of the NW.? So either the show is going a different route so as not to spoil things for Martin’s readers, prophecy is not real and are simply exaggerated stories handed down through many generations (I think GRRM alluded to this being the case?) or we’re going to have watered down Jon up until the very last season when voila his sword lights up in glorious flames. I feel like such a nerd wanting that to happen. Actually I don’t even know if I still want it to happen. Just when I first started watching and then read about it I thought it would be cool to see later on, from a character building POV, not just for the visuals, if that makes any sense.
Jon/sansa/fqvos is interesting
Would imagine different ones would take the lead with different Lords, except Mel perhapd but i reckon she comes to the fore as any Targ ancestry of Jon comes to fore
And Tormund with Wildlings
All with awkwatrd angles, eg Jon as yo whether he’s a Watch deserter, Davos as to him serving Stannis.and being a Southron and Sansa as to being Sansa Lannister or Sansa/Lady Bolton given er, her husband is now Lord Bolton and Lannister/Baratheon Warden of the North…
Mel is missing in the preview and the pictures. I wonder if she’s still with Jansavos. She’d become so meek and melancholic and understandably so, given her tragic mistakes with Stannis. She and Jon need to form a support group soon!
Demon Monkey: I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Who else could it be? ?
I too am surprised at how little focus there has been on Jon up to now but Kit has said that a) he was on set for this season more than any other cast member and b) there is one episode which is basically Jon’s story.
Therefore what with the battle in Ep9 and probably Ep10 being his story, (which are also very long episodes) plus he’s reappearing in Ep7, it seems that the lack of Jon is about to change.
Sam: I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
What I would like to see – LF thinks he has successfully divided Jon and Sansa, and that Sansa will see him as the savior after the battle, only to be faced with a
united Jon and Sansa in the Winterfell Godswood. (The shot in the trailer where he looks like he has seen a ghost) and he realizes that whatever plans he had for Sansa and the North have failed miserably. But this is GOT, so probably exactly the opposite happens 🙂
The way the show has presented the prophecies makes me think we should not take any of them very seriously. So no idea if we will see any flaming swords 🙂
Regarding Jon yes, he will be important in the end game along with Dany and Bran.
i don’t think you read what i wrote . or more likely u didn’t get that what i wrote was , me saying/replying why he wouldn’t of known about the need to have VS swords , what u should of done was send what u wrote to the guy i was replying to , as what u say is backing up what i said to other guy, why Tyrion wouldn’t of known that he going to need to have VSswords because he doesn’t understand the treat that the ww pose , which is what the other guys said he gets gendry to make VSsword for danny , when i think it more likely it be making for night warth because they know ww threat and know that VS kill ww so would have purpose to make them ,as tyrion purpose only calls for normal sword .so he would just get made normal ,no reason he would pay exstreame/prob work out like 30 times price of normal sword for 1 vs sword (depending on price to get material needed or time ot craft ) just so army can look good with vs swords . i hope this comes accross as nice .
I read your comments just for the tech lessons you give each week… lmao… ? JK…
Sorry. It’s a hard habit to break. #chicago But searching for your name is quite useful for finding where you left off reading, too.
for me (keeping my hope up little longer) i think the broken man going to be about Hodor. we only lost him 2 episodes ago and the last one follows right after the one before it . and we learn that u can save a man /benjen from death after being killed and mid of being turned, this has all happen in the same day as hodor death scene (going by fact MEERA wouldn’t of been able to drag him for that long so must happen straight after). so i think bran know knowing this way to save and thinking of hodor going out same way, tries and succeeds in making warg contact with hodor almost dead and he puls out dragon glass he made hodor take from Sam at the wall . also for fact that raven sent for him .guessing raven did indeed know what would happen to hodor , this prob also accounts for the all of a sudden appearance of his uncle , just like the sudden appearance of the dead army . both just happen but were set in motion a while ago.
i think because that we are past the point in where bran has his powers so that from now on the good people will not die(without it being a hero sacrifice) , its all being turned around to make the ending that bran will be happy with( men winning over the dead). time for the bad to lose and the good to win, unlike before where it was good lost bad win .
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
I see where Simon is coming from. There is a moment near the end of the play, where PlayCersei is truly distraught, that Arya abruptly stops laughing and looks truly serious, contemplative, almost empathetic. When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position and doing such an excellent job of it that she impresses the professional actress: “Do you like pretending to be other people?”
But I’m not certain I’d call it empathy. I’m thinking that, being a Faceless Man in Training, Arya has not truly learned to become No One, but she has learned more about becoming Any One. You must understand who you want to become: you think like them, you dress like them, you walk and talk like them #baloo, you act like them, and you feel like them. Even if you don’t take their face, becoming your enemy and understanding your enemy is a useful tool in defeating your enemy #ender.
Arya does seem to be on an arc toward becoming less vengeful, as well. She’s empathasized with the Hound, at the very least. Her list is shorter. She’s not quite done with vengeance yet, and she’ll likely put her newly acquired assassin skills to good use before she is, but evidence of such an arc exists.
hmm, I think the resurrection will also come in to play with Melly and Jon being the prince who was promised… so going forward with the war against the long night, there will be focus on jon being the one to beat them.
well now that he has gotten the king to say to everyone they are equal (twin pillars of the world) he will turn to bring king down leaving just 1 pillar the faith .by proving Cersei guilty in lose of trail by combat , is also way gods saying the lies about her si/ kids are true which is why god let cersei die.
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship. 🙂
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
that the Valyrian word for Prince can also mean Princess for most of their vocabulaty was gender neutral
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
Get outta here with this mess. If (not sure how he hasn’t yet) Walder found out his grandson (potential heir to WF) was eaten by dogs he’d NEVER EVER forget it. Robb broke a betrothal and got his mom, wife, unborn child and himself killed. Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Terribly sorry i was meant as a reply to your comment about Jon .
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
that the Valyrian word for Prince can also mean Princess for most of their vocabulaty was gender neutral
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
Haha you’re funny 🙂 The brief visual that popped into my head with the word threesome and these character, not a pleasant one lol
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
Tycho Nestoris: Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individuals in his family. Yes, “Frey” is important to him: but not any one of them in particular.
Myrmidon: I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW.
The question is: what is Jon’s reaction going to be when he learns the “why” of the Walkers? They are not some arbitrary “evil”: they are basically formers slaves who rose against their masters and their masters’ enemies. Jon showed unusual willingness to put himself in his enemies shoes with the Wildlings: that is going to be important.
Of course, the character for whom this will be most important is Daeny. The Walkers biggest analog are the Unsullied. And Daeny has just as much of a “Saving People Thing” as Jon does.
Incidentally, it is not that
the Valyrian word for Prince and Princess are the same: it’s that dragons are hermaphroditic, and thus applying the word to figurative dragons should encompass both men and women.
Or at least that is how I read it!
Sue the Fury: When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship.
Some day, someone should do a study on the evolution of net-speak.
Sam: He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded.
Indeed! That is a really good point. We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past. Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters. “I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list. (One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy. They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires. All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
Ménage à trois. Cool. And neither Jon nor Davos are Sansa’s two living husbands. She’s got a fully fledged harem. Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
Dee: I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
The odd thing is that if Jon’s suspected parentage had been known (assuming that most of us are correct, anyway), then nobody would think twice about the two of them marrying in that world. Of course, they also would not have been raised as siblings.
Dee: no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
We also have to learn just what happened to the first prince to understand what the full implications of this are. Neither books nor show has been very forthcoming about that. (Even the book provides only two different vague summaries, with some important differences but more important commonalities.)
But, I tend to agree: the Prince will be a duality or a trinity. Babylon 5 did something like this but over time: there was The One: but the One that Was, the One that Is, and that One that Will Be. (B5 also was written by an atheist raised by Catholics: funny how this sort of thing happens!)
I agree with that but I do believe that there won’t be time for that in this season, given how much packed his storyline is with him and Sansa reclaiming the north. Maybe next season then?
Like I said yesterday, I would take any thirdhand report like this with a huge grain of salt. People have a way of exaggerating or misunderstanding what GRRM says, and I don’t consider this source valid enough to report on, frankly.
Chad Brick: That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
D&D have said it. Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over. It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
Ginevra: Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
Clearly we need to start “shipping” Sansa and Daeny. Clearly, men just don’t do enough for them!
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individual
True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
Dee: I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
Some people ship Jon and Sansa, I don’t really care since I’ve seen it all in fandom, and well, we watch a show where a sibling couple is canon. But yeah, skip the combined names if you’re not talking about shipping!
Ginevra: It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
But… but.. those were the two most important pages in the umpteen thousand pages of the books so far!
😀
At any rate, if LSH ever was going to appear, then it would have been this season. That has not happened. My suspicion is that LSH simply will never be that important in the tale: at most, she’ll be a plot device that can be (and possibly already has been) easily replaced.
I don’t think we will see that this season either, though I was hopping for another conversation regarding his resurrection , because its quite a big thing.
Let’s not forget, he is hwe next target in the books. And if she doesn’t get him, its Podrick and Brienne. That’s damn important. People act like she was just killing villagers and shit.
Tycho Nestoris: True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
No, he would not have been a Frey claim. In this world, he is a Bolton, and no Freys would be put in line for inheriting Winterfell in anyway – if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys. All this would possibly do is provide cousins who ruled both Winterfell and Riverrun, which often made for easier alliances. And, of course, given that Ramsay was legitimized, Walder’s grandson(s) would be in line behind Ramsay and his sons.
At any rate, we also have to keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories. They would hear the one that Ramsay put out of course. They would hear other, darker stories of course: but in this world, there would always be other, darker stories around any such death. Moreover, as there is no reason why anyone in the south would know what a psycho Ramsay is, Walder would not have any prior evidence for this. (Yes, Show!Walder knows that Ramsay torched Winterfell: but one would not extrapolate going Carthage on an enemy with later feeding his step-mother and half-brother to the dogs; after all, Tywin Lannister would have done the former without surprising anyone, but it would have shocked people if he had harmed a true-born Lannister half-brother.)
My other bet is that Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this! Yeah, that’s a shocker….. 😀
We could just call them the “I’ve Slept With Enemies” (ISWE) alliance. That would be in contrast to the “We Hate Each Other” alliance in Kings Landing, or the “Have Dragons Will Return” alliance in Essos.
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
I definitely think it will be a collective effort
I’m with Mel on this one: Jon is TPTWP and AAR. And I’m not alone in that theory. Based on the poll BBF did this summer, 59.3% of us thought Jon was AAR:
3. Who is Azor Ahai Reborn?
The identity of Azor Ahai brought out a lot of answers. Jon Snow won a plurality or outright majority of the votes in each community, but many different answers were given. Regardless, there’s a degree of variance among communities for this answer with some interesting results!
… Watchers on the Wall
Stannis Baratheon: 19 (0.6%) Jon Snow: 1992 (59.3%)
Daenerys Targaryen: 330 (9.8%)
Victarion Greyjoy: 4 (0.1%)
Aegon VI Targaryen: 4 (0.1%)
Rhaegar Targaryen: 11 (0.3%)
Jaime Lannister: 38 (1.1%)
Davos Seaworth: 10 (0.3%)
Jorah Mormont: 23 (0.7%)
Many different characters will be Azor Ahai Reborn or reflect Azor Ahai’s legendary characteristics: 217 (6.5%)
There is no Azor Ahai Reborn:106 (3.2%)
Don’t Know/No Opinion: 106 (3.2%)
Other: 36 (1.1%)
Even though, as BBF says, Jon won a plurality on every site, he didn’t win a majority on every site, with only 38.9% of Westeros.org believing Jon is AAR. The other sites were within 3% of exactly half believing Jon was AAR.
Indeed!That is a really good point.We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past.Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters.“I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list.(One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy.They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires.All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
So much explaining to do! I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
Sue the Fury:
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship.
Oh no. I used Jansavos mainly because I was lazy to type all their names. Not proud to say that. From now on I’ll just use Team Stark to refer to them. 🙂
There is always a fine-line to walk here. In particular, cinema/TV works by the rule “show, don’t tell.” Now, they do have a device for showing what really happened. However, what is almost as important here is what people believe happened. And that can be done only with speaking.
I suppose that what they can do is just have Bran see it, and then show us that Jon, Daeny, etc., know it after being with Bran. That will tell the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) that the conversations happened without boring the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) with the actual conversation.
Still, at some point, the main characters themselves have to reach some “put themselves in the grand scheme of things” moment where their own life-histories make it all work for them. At least I hope so: there is always the chance that this could degenerate into a typical epic fantasy where it’s a plot moment, not a character moment that makes all the difference.
Sam: I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
My bet is that it is going to take wights, to be honest. Right now, I think that the challenge is: convince Northerners that Boltons are bigger enemies than are Wildlings. And that would be really tough: yes, the Boltons have bad recent history, but they have co-existed with Boltons for centuries, whereas they never have co-existed with Wildlings, and Wildlings make Boltons look quite tame.
But as for the White Walker stories, well: Northerners might believe that they once existed (unlike southerners): but actually seeing wights would be a shocking “good grief: the old stories really are true!” moment for them, sort of like actually finding Excalibur would be for us. The one realistically possible exception to this is House Mormont: because the Old Bear was from that House. (That house has one other big plus for Team I Sleep with Enemies: Bear Island rarely if ever has Wildling problems, being instead subject to Iron Born problems.)
(I don’t want that character in the show – so hope she doesn’t appear)
Yes, you are correct. If that were the only evidence, we wouldn’t know. But Jon was dead for 1 entire episode. Catelyn has been dead for 27 full episodes. She was only alive for 29 full episodes, and she only appeared in 25 episodes. She’s spent three years lying in a river. There would be no flesh left.
Hm but in reality is it? Or do we as an audience deem it so for Jon is portrayed as a hero in this tale? I mean Beric Dondarrion has been ressurected half a dozen times , shouldn;t he be deemed more important? If he wasn’t then why does he keep coming back,what’s so special about him? But we are not particularly fond of him , he is just a minor character whom we briefly met during the 3rd season whilst Jon is one of the main characters so we are bound to think that there’s something extraordinary about it . Mind you I wouldn;t be surprised if it was just an act to show off Rhillor’s power.
The real question is if Mel and Thoros can have such powers whilst being ordinary priests what can High Priesess like Kinvara do ,given the opportunity ;).
And regarding Jon, yes again, I agree with you. But The people surrounding Jon don’t know about Beric… so what I meant was it is a big thing to the people around him – or at least it should be. And yes Mel does know that Beric came back many times, but she DID say to Jon he was the prince who was promised. So, to her, it is also a big thing.
Mel has changed though, she is now just following Jon around, rather than tell him what to do. She learnt from her mistakes.
if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys.
Unless Sansa’s pregnant, then Ramsay is the last Bolton. Kill him and it’s fair game.
keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories.
I am not buying the different stories/whispers. Smalljon didn’t buy it. Why would Walder? Father, Mother and baby all die within a short time? Maybe one Walder’s sons buy but Walder has been billed as cunning and too clever. He’s paranoid too.
Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this
Kill them off before they ask too many questions (see Dorne for details).
That’s my rant for the day.
Jon Snow the prince that was promised? What has he got going in his story as evidence for this belief? Its Daenerys.
A passage from ‘A Feast for Crows’
‘On Braavos, it had seemed possible that Aemon might recover. Xhondo’s talk of dragons had almost seemed to restore the old man to himself. That night he ate every bite Sam put before him. “No one ever looked for a girl,” he said. “It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought… the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.’
Nope, both HBO’s viewers guide and the ASOIAF wiki describe her as a red priestess and tbh with you i do think that if she was a high priestess she wouldn’t just be roaming around alone, she would have minor priests or someone with her. Back in season 3 Thoros revealed that he was sent to Westeros in order to preach about the Lord of Light and convert nobles and commoners alike, maybe Mel was sent in a similar mission?
Mel was in such a horrid place after she found out that her interpretations of her visions were dead wrong so I do believe that she wants to believe in something to help her get through the day so Jon’s ressurection came in handy.
Now has she? Sure she is still under shock from what happened last season but hat didn’t stop her from trying to find another candidate for the “Chosen One” title so soon which makes me think that she has a few things left to learn. True she has taken the backseat for now but let’s wait and see what happens when she gains her confidence back.
That casting notice didn’t specify a Northern accent, which all the other casting notices for Northern lords have, so I don’t think that’s Glover (that part also shot over two weeks).
h haven’t read the books , after reading what u said , salt being tears, and adding smoke being smoke from a funeral fire a pyre is it called i think. Jon was born this way surrounded by tears of loss of mother and smoke from her pyre. also Tyrion was born this way ,death of mother for tears and smoke form pyre( atm there been no priestess help tyrion thinking he TPTWP yet but they do seem attracted to him maybe something to come ). it might all of been set up in the past to make it so the red women and priestess would look for TPTWP and in so get lead to help Jon in set up for things to come. and also help Danny get her setup for things to come . i don’t think we will ever see some godlike person , was just a big trick played to pull them into service . in the end i think it gonna be Jon leads with the north( and green dragon) Tyrion will lead lannister men i think thats the east (on a golden yellow dragon) and dany on her dragon leading the rest ,
the young actress goes to the house of black and white and is like why isn’t that target been killed yet ? Jaqen replies death is certain a time is not lol.
Well she is presented as the Flame Truth, the Light of Wisdom and the First Servant of the Lord of Light. So it definitely makes it sound as though she is the leader of the religion, if she is the First Servant, there can’t be another.
Plus she says she will summon her most eloquent priests, so clearly ordinary priests work under her. Melisandre doesn’t have anyone working under her, plus she’s all the way in Westeros, and has been there working alone for years. The High Priestess would probably be in Volantis most of the time, as that is where the main temple of the Lord of Light is.
And I guess someone has to be the leader right ?
But of course I could be mistaken, it’s just my interpretation 🙂
What Dany missing is vision, she has charizma for be a leader, but long-term vision and strategie … Nahh… What after she conquers the seven kingdoms? She can’t even have descendants as far as we know. She’ll take what it’s hers, for after her death, to give to someone else. For now she is the only knowing living Targaryan. She want to take Westeros to rule with no plan for after; Yes , maybe Jon is one of them but again it isn’t in her knowledge. But with the chaos in the Seven kingdoms and plus with the winter comming from the nord, she has still a part to play and becomes savior it’s just the perfect moment. I think she won’t rule, she’ll die during the battle with the Others, that goes well with what we saw on the show with her vision, she goes to King’s Landing (after Cersei burned it) then she’ll fight the Others ’till the nord and there she will ”rejoin” khal Drogo. She’ll be the conqueror but not the ruler. And as George R.R. Martin ispiration is real history than we can see clearly that she’s going to die. Veni vidi vici goes well with the caracter of Daenerys but as in real history no one who dreamt of ruling the whole world finished by doing it. So yes possibly she is Azor Ahai, the one who will save the world, but that it’ ll be it. She won’t be the queen who ll rule.. Better sweet end. Just my opinion, maybe i’m wrong . Sorry for the bad English , it’s not my tongue maternel.
I’m thinking that Robett Glover is bringing some bad news to the Starks. Maybe something went down at Castle Black. His face in the trailer looks more sad than “fuck your house I’m staying in mah motte.”
Thats kinda what i thought, Jaquen made up the contract. How could this b grade actress in a play afford the Faceless Men. But i also think its lame if Arya just kills the Waif and is set free. The FM dont seam like a group you can be brought into and just leave when you’ve had your run with it. She knows their secrets, she is a liability. I think her face will have to end up on the wall in the long run. Maybe Jaquen lets her complete her quest to take her out quietly in the end, once she has found peace.
It doesn’t specify that no, but I think there is a reasonable chance that it is him (not that it matters). We’ve only got four episodes left, and we definitely haven’t had a scene with the actor from the casting description yet. Some features (e.g. haggard) definitely fit, and I think McInnerny meets a lot of the other requirements too. Personally I think it is him, but as I said it doesn’t really matter either way (although if it isn’t him I guess we’ll have another great scene to look forward to later on in the season as it was described as the best remaining part ).
Wow, how did they get hold of them? I know for a fact that the guy who writes the reviews has connections in the US but even so it seems a bit weird that they would be the first to release them
Yeah I have no idea my boyfriend visits this site often and saw them a little while ago. Is this castle Riverrun? It looks glorious.
Are you Greek too, Myrmidon? 😀
Tycho Nestoris: I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
Please let it be the back of Jaime’s gold hand.
Still Jamie is back to being his old asshole season 1 self. A few punches to Walders face don`t amend for him going back to Cersei like a dog…
What they are doing to Jamies storyline arc… im hoping they kill him off this season before it gets worse. We know Freys and Lannisters will celebrate taking Riverun later in the show as seen in the trailers. Maybe Jamie dies there with his Frey friends….
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
Oh I see! Between us wouldn’t be surprised if Thodoris pulled some strings .
Could be Riverrun , the architecture is reminiscent of the buildings we briefly saw back in season 3.
Yep but I was raised in the States so I consider myself to be American as well!
As someone who hasn’t read the books, I have no idea why everybody keeps saying Jaime is Cersei’s lapdog or w/e.. Doesn’t seem like that to me at all.
Do i remember correctly from the books that Riverrun has the capability to flood the area around the castle in a defensive state so there is only one way in and out?
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9zTPqaTBIVw
I think they had photos from NOVA(Is the channel who broadcast GOT in Greece) !!!! I love Oneman ,i always read there summaries from GOT !!!!
I just LOVE this shot of Riverrun, as impressive as I’d hoped. It certainly looks consistent with the S3 split second shot we got, as well as the book description! The set looked amazing too from the photos we saw, so I’m really looking forward to these scenes.
They went to a LOT of trouble building this set for what was apparently only a day and a half shoot, so I’m guessing this is gonna be a crucial scene in some way.
Can you blame me? Not only is it some amazing costume porn, it’s Nikolaj in all his glory. The most attractive man in Westeros, newly released from the Kingsguard and possibly looking for a woman.
Let’s hope he finds a tall, ugly one in blue armor who is already familiar with his sword 😉
Oh I see , makes sense since Theo also works as a freelancer there. Yep his reviews are pretty good, I always check them out every Tuesday although I must admit i donnot visit the website's other sections!
aww look at Jon and Arya connecting to each other through the same hairstyle.
I don’t know if you’ve read the books but the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin. Which means that yes, there will certain traits of how he was in S1 come to the fore again. His story with Brienne doesn’t mean he’s entirely different person. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t changed either. What I mean to say is: I don’t get what you’re complaining about.
Where’s Jon’s belt and sword? They’re missing
Arya looks like she is on a foreign market somewhere in Braavos, looking for the ride home….
Could that last shot be the Quiet Isle / the Saltpans? The figure in the foreground looks like a septa to me…
😀 That’s true for the most part, unfortunately none of my friends watches it 🙁
Well dunno about that but
I do believe we will get the Arya/Waif face off . Maybe she will depart for Westeros in 6.08?
Jaime looks hawwwt!
Arya and Jon sporting the same hairstyle, even though they are in different parts of the world, is cute.
What I wish to know is, would it kill them to release more than one pic of Jon for an episode!
If Jamie from the books Riverlands arc was about him becoming more like Tywin he would have stormed the castle and killed everyone inside “Rains of Castamere” style… Instead he bends over backvards trying not to break the oath he gave to Caitlyn and gets told by Gemma Lannister (married Frey) that Tyrion is more of Tywins son than he is.
At the end he solves the Blackwood siege peacefully and goes of with Brienne ALONE in the night to “save Sansa from the Hound”…
Agree about Blackfish. But Edmure may live. Jaime and Cersei has no love for Freys, so Jaime might let Edmure keep Riverrun, so long as the Tullys bend the knee to Iron Throne. Freys lost the castle once – if Jaime helps to win it back, he can argue that he will put whoever he wishes as the Lord of Riverrun. Book 4 spoilers:
In the show there is no Emmon Frey and aunt Genna to take Riverrun for Lannisters,
so Jaime does not care who gets Riverrun as long as they are obedient. Also, I think Edmure is not so disposable for the future story (unlike Barristan or Roose).
I am still holding out hope for Blackfish escaping the siege and joining Sansa (even if it’s after the battle for Winterfell).
Based on Tobias Menzies comment that he got called at the last minute and asked if he could fit them into his schedule, I wouldn’t hold my breath that he’s in the show much, at all.
I’m really hyped for Arya’s story. She really does look like Ned with that hair. I hope she kicks the Waif’s smug arse.
Kinvara (red priestess from episode 5) is the High Priestess of the Lord of Light. So it’s not Melisandre.
Kinvara is the High Priestess of the Red Temple of Volantis. We do not know if there are other High Priests or High Priestesses in the show. Benerro is, in the books, the High Priest of the Red Temple of Volantis, where Kinvara replaces Benerro in the show. This page, http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Kinvara, says that she’s only one of the high-ranking leaders of R’hllor, so there may be other High Priests/Priestesses. I do not believe Melisandre is one of them.
Kind of you to say. I never said that what he actually DID was what Tywin would’ve done, because it isn’t. You’re certainly right about that. But he is surely struggling with his role and with who he is. He wants to be more like Tywin on the one hand, but realises he can’t on the other. It’s not a black and white “let’s take this character from mindset A to mindset B” situation, as you suggest. He’s conflicted. In the show AND the books, and certainly in AFFC.
He’s saying that in order to force Edmure to surrender Riverrun. The point is Jaime could easily have just stormed the castle, but he goes to great pains to convince Edmure that surrendering peacefully is better. Obviously threats have to be made to achieve that end, whether Jaime would have followed through is another matter. In any case, Tywin wouldn’t have bothered with such negotiations, and would have simply retaken Riverrun by force.
RE Barristan is disposable, like stabbed in an alley by anonymous thugs disposable
*tears* damn dawg
Halfman:
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
It reminded me of that too! Different location, but as part of a whole scene perhaps? Getting close, anyway! 🙂
Bravos – 4 minutes
Kings landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Volantis ( greyjoys) – 4 minutes
Meribald and the hound arc- 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
Yes you’re absolutely right, he’s conflicted and it’s complex, which means your statement that “the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin” is a bit of an oversimplification, as that is clearly not “the entire point”, but merely one of several things going through Jaime’s head.
Ultimately, Jaime’s actions and decisions lead him away from being like Tywin, as you noted, and as Gemma Lannister points out. So if anything, the point of his arc is that he isn’t Tywin.
Dee:
Can we discuss Marg’s new CONSERVATIVE dress.
I actually like the dress. I love the color and texture, if the shape is somewhat lacking. I really like that pendant, too. But the true awesomeness is her tiara, which I may never have noticed before. The simple, delicate mixture of stag antlers and roses is perfection.
Could it possibly be Bronn ? Can’t imagine Jaime’s end would come this soon, or at the hands of the Blackfish.
HotPinkLipstick:
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face. (You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
As I didn’t post any spoilers, I’m going to say no. I asked a question. Can’t spoiler tag every time I ask a question or speculate on what might happen. I don’t have any more information than you.
You were reacting to an alleged spoiler with obvious comments about it, so yes you should have spoiler-tagged it. I’ve fixed it for you, please be more careful next time.
You should also be covering the book spoilers you’re posting.
Ginevra: Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face.(You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
Let’s not forget, he is hwe next target in the books. And if she doesn’t get him, its Podrick and Brienne. That’s damn important. People act like she was just killing villagers and shit.
I admit I would have liked to see Brienne’s story unfold a bit more like the books.
I thought the LSH introduction added a new dimension and, while I can see people viewing her as nothing more than a vengeful zombie, so much of it also revealed where Brienne’s loyalties lie.
I think it could play out similar, with Sansa filling in as the person who makes Brienne “choose”. I think we could see Jaime kill the Blackfish during the siege. Jaime cares about one thing – Cersei and her wants. He is to take back Riverrun and it doesn’t matter who is in his way or what diplomatic hat he tries to put on, he will do it for her. Brienne will be there and witness it. Now does she tell Sansa and, if so, couldn’t you just see Sansa calling for his head? So, the oath is in doubt and the vow of never making her (Brienne) do something that goes against her desire (paraphrasing here) would probably make Sansa lose her shit. Okay, Brienne, you don’t have to kill Jaime but you are now the enemy and enemies hang.
I could definitely see this as part of the cliffhanger.
It also sounds a shitload like fanfic but it has gone into original territory so anything is possible. 🙂
12 minutes doesn’t seem like enough for the north, which will have at least 3 scenes (house glover, bear island, and wildling camp). I imagine the bear island scene should take at least 6 minutes by itself, since we know several characters will be speaking.
Throwback picture just to remind everyone how old Bran is supposed to be:
Sorry Sue!
I should’ve definitely covered the LHS stuff but didn’t realize speculation should be too. Will be sure to in the future!
Does anybody else find it odd that there are two Freys in these scenes (and the introductory scene at the Twins last week)?
With the shows propensity to streamline and consolidate characters, I’m surprised they didn’t just reintroduce one, unless one of them meets a grisly fate soon 😉
I like that they kept the briefly glimpsed season three design for Riverrun.
That’s such an impressive shot. You can see they’re sieging the castle on all sides. Now I wanna see it in full HD.
Anyone spot Cersei and Olenna wearing darker clothes? I think Loras is the broken man and commits suicide in the next episode.
I think Dany will work out the only way to sort Meereen is to get everyone not with the Sons of the Harpy to evacuate and the dragons will raize it to the molten ground. Slavery over- Targaryen style.
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
Jaime will go rogue and switch sides. He has form.
JJ: What would you ultimately like for her? ST: I want her to get revenge. I want her to avenge her family’s death and everything. But then I kind of want her to die at the end because I want a big death scene. I want her to die and I want Littlefinger to end up on the throne. I don’t really care about anyone else.
“In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well”
So glad they are giving this episode to Cogman.
He is the master of adapting GRRMs best monologues.
The Broken Man Speech has the potential to be my favorite scene in the history of this show.
Bravos – 4 minutes
King’s landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Greyjoys – 4 minutes
Brienne – 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
51 minutes
I think is the right time we need.
Isn’t that way too much time for Riverrun? We’re getting it in episode 8 too. This episode may just include Jaime arriving in Riverrun, a talk with Bronn, the Freys and of course the parlay with the Blackfish. I’d be shocked if the scene is longer than 8 or so minutes. Also, the other storylines you listed could well use some of the time you allocated to Riverrun; in particular the North and Brienne.
D&D have said it.Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over.It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
While I do not dispute what you say, I think it must be tempered with the following:
1) D&D said Jon Snow was dead;
2) HBO said Jon Snow was dead; and
3) Kit Harrington said Jon Snow was dead and wasn’t coming back.
In fact, the purpose of those statements was to deceive fans about the truth to enhance the surprise. So pointing to those same sources as being authoritative on the issue lacks credibility when they have all demonstrated a willingness to actively lie and mislead the audience for a narrative purpose.
If may well be true — and probably is — that Stoneheart is not making an appearance this year or at all. I grant you that, but appeals to higher authority in this specific case are unconvincing.
In any event, I cannot imagine how LS tries to hang Brienne when Brienne kept her oath and she now serves Sansa who is in the North among Stark Bannermen.
I suppose LS could just be a vengeful bitch and go off on Brienne anyway, but it lacks any power to accuse Brienne of Oathbreaking when she is actually there at Sansa’s behest. So that part of the tale would have to be changed.
Do people think we will be meeting Ian McShane’s character @ Quiet Isle, or… where? Near Riverrun?
Great job on the consistently outstanding visuals!
The Creative Arts Emmy Nominations are coming soon, lets hope GoT gets some love – and Ramin Djawadi!!!
Don’t forget the return of Volantis this week with Theon/Yara.
Predictions –
Jaime and Bronn arrive at Riverrun and Jaime immediately falls out with the Freys after seeing their treatment of Edmure (they’ve got him on a platform and are threatening to cut his throat). Jaime clouts Black Walder with his golden hand. Jaime then goes and speaks with the Blackfish by isn’t able to come to any terms with him.
Arya will be pursued by the Waif in a crazy knife fight all across Braavos.
Maybe. The problem is they almost never actually manage to show all the locations that do appear in the episode, because they always show KL and Winterfell, even when those locations aren’t featured in the episode, as they do for the Wall, and they very frequently show Braavos and/or Meereen, even when those locations don’t appear (but not all the time).
So honestly their thing about using the credits to show which locations will be appearing in the episode hasn’t always really worked out super well if you ask me.
Jack Bauer 24:
Do you think we’ll see Riverrun in the opening credits this week?
I was just wondering that! Hope so…when watching last Sunday I got a little sad thinking that we may not have many new locations on there anymore (I’ll hate to lose Braavos!). But there are a couple of possibilities.
The only new location on the map we’ll see this year will be Oldtown, I think. They’re not gonna skip a chance to do that one. They might add Highgarden and Casterly Rock in the future, depending on the story, but that’s about it.
Fun fact: So far they’ve done 19 (!!) locations: 12 in Westeros and 7 in Essos. Really cool.
Good catch. I can’t believe the Sue correctly based that it was Robett Glover based only on the “haggard” description being also used for the character in ADWD. Wow.
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… 🙂
I’m pretty surprised that there’s no pics of Tyrion yet. Maybe Dany will arrive in Meereen on Drogon’s back in the next episode and they are withholding it. The rest of the Khalasar could arrive later when the city is in a complete caos.
While I must admit, Ser Arthur Dayne will forever be first in my heart, Jaime does look…*sigh*…
So. Damn. Good.
It could also go like this:
King’s Landing 8 mins.
Riverrun and the Riverlands 13 mins.
Braavos 3 mins.
Volantis 5 mins.
The North 18 mins.
Both credits 4 mins.
I don’t think 13 min is enough for everything in the Riverlands.
18 seems a bit much for the North, and 3 not enough for Braavos.
In any case the episode will be packed. It’s only 51 minutes too, so I don’t really know why they didn’t give themselves more time for these stories. Seems like they try to fit in a lot in very little time, instead of simply using the 60 minutes that their slot affords them.
burrmall
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
I thought that as soon as I saw her lighting the candle while holding needle..
Wow. Not surprised by most of it. I wonder if her wish for LF on the IT was the cherry on the revenge sundae.
Chad Brick: That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
It’s a weird spot to be in. If he says “I can’t comment on that” it reads like he’s saying she is in the show and he just can’t say.
As much as I would love for her to return to the show and be impactful on the story, the likelihood is that it won’t happen. I feel like Hibberd spoiled it years ago with his dumb article that went up like 10 minutes after the season 4 finale trying to explain why no LSH is a good thing. He stated in the article that D&D were not willing to go on record about it which made me think that they did say something to him off the record. Now that was 2 years ago and who knows what might have changed since then but Michelle Fairley was also recently cast in some Starz show as well.
If I were to shake the magic 8 ball on this one, I think it would say “All signs point to NO,” but there’s 4 more episodes of “hope” and I would be very happy to be wrong. If they give me Nymeria and her pack, I will be satisfied 🙂
You don’t read the books right? Out of curiousity, why the strong reaction to a character or plotline you didn’t even read about? Is it just because many people on this site dislike it? Is it a Jon Snow thing? It’s super weird to me that someone would be that vehement about something they’re only vaguely familiar with.
I let go of LSH after season 4.
I would be insanely hyped to see her, but I wouldn’t be upset if she never showed up.
The pieces are somewhat coming together… Mostly the report of Thoros filming a hanging scene… but…
I still truly believe she is cut… What purpose would she serve this close to the end game… The moment has passed
If Dany is set to sail for Westeros by the end of the season then she must arrive at Meereen in 6.07 ,she must solve the Meerenese knot as soon as possible. Then perhaps meet with the Greyjoys ,strike a deal with them and perhaps send Varys on a mission to Dorne to negotiate with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for a landing site for her armies.
Why was I under the impression that there was a High Priest and not a High Priestess? Didn’t Thoros or Melissandre mention something like that back in season 3 (or was it 2)?
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… ?
Yeah I lived in Orléans (just beautiful) and there are so many gorgeous chateaux there such as Chambord, Sully sur Loire and Anjou as well as amazing scenery and wine too. Funnily, I’m a Stewart and it’s where Mary Queen of Scots lived when she was married to the Dauphin of France and changed the goddamn spelling of the name to Stuart to appease the French! 🙂
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
Normally, being raised as siblings and being cousins would be uber-creepy of the likes of step-siblings Boone and Shannon on Lost. But this is Game of Thrones, after all. Even so, I do not see Jon and Sansa as kindred spirits. If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
Girl, you really put some serious work in this site.
For a moment I thought the sword of Lothar Frey was actually Robb’s. From this angle it looked similar. It would have been nice detail, in my opinion.
I can’t wait to see Blackfish in his glory !
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
Left (open) handed? I think he goes with the golden back hand. Will vegas will take prop bets on this?
I hope Jaime starts low and slow (even gets some knee bend) then cracks rivers right beneath the eye and catches the bridge of the nose on the follow through.
You should decide for yourself if the character is pointless. Don’t base it on the opinions of others. If you only care about WW though then a lot of characters may be pointless to you.
Actually we’ve seen that he loves Arya like a sister, he’s never marrying her. Sansa feels like a possibility but it might just because kit and Sophie have an unexpected chemistry, sharing the scream for the first time as adults
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
Sophie is a huge fan of the show. Think of her as a fellow fan, not Sansa. Let her enjoy speculation like the rest of us.
Ginevra: If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
Only someone from our neck of the woods could write a sentence like that. You make me laugh. Thank you. 🙂
Sou: Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
It’s kind of amazing to me I ever got past the beginning of the first episode of the show, given it started with Wights, and I can’t stand zombie stuff, either.
Let’s get through the riverlands plot first. They’re only covering that stuff now.
Another pointer in lsh’s direction is the tec – green screen thermals – used to sell the wights.
If they don’t do it soon they won’t at all but with Benjen turning up the living dead Are clearly going to play some part in the narrative to come – if only as mentors and gate keepers.
LOL what SOPHIE wants isnt necessarily want SANSA wants..
and Sophie has ALWAYS said she wants Littlefinger to be on the throne at the end (just to be different I think)
Kells: I think it could play out similar, with Sansa filling in as the person who makes Brienne “choose”.
Except the writers walked right up to that point, and botched it.
In the books, she has to choose between honor and friendship, and she chooses honor. Consequences unknown.
On TV, she had to choose between honor and petty revenge. The choose the nearly-impossible-to-execute petty revenge, gains a cloak of invisibility so it can be pulled off, thinks she gets her revenge but not really because it saved Stannis from being flayed, then dons her cloak of invisibility again and using her telepathic powers, warps to the precise place she needs to be in order to get her honor cherry on top of her revenge cake, despite not having any reason to believe this was even possible at the moment. So whatever “choice” she made was pointless, as the writers gave her both via magic and wormholes. It was definitely one of the worst sequences this season.
As a side note to AGoT bad guys: When you have armies of thousands, don’t send half a dozen to hunt or kill the fleeing Good Guy. This is because half a dozen is the perfect number for a Heroic Rescuer to show up and kill in a Dramatic Rescue Fight. I am looking at you, Ramsay and the Night’s King.
Wimsey: But… but.. those were the two most important pages in the umpteen thousand pages of the books so far!
At any rate, if LSH ever was going to appear, then it would have been this season.That has not happened.My suspicion is that LSH simply will never be that important in the tale: at most, she’ll be a plot device that can be (and possibly already has been) easily replaced.
But we are just getting to that part of this season, so how can you judge?
LSH is clearly going to have a major clash with Jaime and Brienne in early TWOW. This is going to be a character-defining moment for at least one if not both of them, and thus if skipped, a change to the story. Even if LSH herself is “plot”, to keep the story the same, you’d have to replace it. But why bother? Additionally, I strongly suspect LSH leads one way or the other to her daughters. There will be some big moment there by the end, and again, this is something that would have to be replicated for the story to remain the same.
No, Brienne had to choose between honor and honor. She swore an oath to herself and to Catelyn that she would kill Stannis back in season 2.
Ravyn: Based on Tobias Menzies comment that he got called at the last minute and asked if he could fit them into his schedule, I wouldn’t hold my breath that he’s in the show much, at all.
Not much this season doesn’t mean he can’t return next season.
An oath to oneself is not terribly significant; that’s just one’s own desire. And, regardless, there was no consequence for said choice.
People are still talking about that one character from the books?
If Preston Jacob is to be believed GRRM said in a fan dinner event thing that LSH has been cut from the show. I don’t think he’s lying as he has no reason to. And in any case it should be obvious at this point LHS isn’t coming back. First Jon, then wight-Benjen, “the broken man” and finally LHS, all in one season? Nah.
Kit Hairyton:
I think Ramsay is in this episode. In the UK, the Radio Times had a picture of him accompanying the episode with the caption, “Ramsey rallies his troops”.
Yes, they spelt it Ramsey, not Ramsay.
Could you please post a link to the the radio times page you mentioned? 🙂
It’s kind of amazing to me I ever got past the beginning of the first episode of the show, given it started with Wights, and I can’t stand zombie stuff, either.
Hee ditto – didn’t faz me when reading the books, and certainly didn’t bat an eye on the show. Strange ( I have friends telling me I must read World War Z, but they do look at me strange when I tell them I don’t like zombie stories when they know my history with GOT/AOIAF!)
Another pointer in lsh’s direction is the tec – green screen thermals – used to sell the wights.
I think I know where Mel is. She’s glamouring wights….
I’m kind of worried about Mark Mylod directing those episodes, specially with the next one having 51 minutes only. I have to say the episodes he directed in season 5, eps 3 and 4, were my least favourites of all, and they were very rushed and anticlimactic. Still, I’m very hopeful it will be great.
Concerning Jon and the northern lords not believing that he died, it will be a perfect moment to have this
I hate zombies also
But game of thrones episode 1 is way more than that though they make it seem we willl see zombies in every episode because it starts with one
Love it
It would be amazing if Septa Unella was merged with Falyse, so it’s definitely not happening. 🙁
Her desire to kill Stannis had nothing to with honor. He was the rightful king, not Renly. Her choice to support Renly’s claim is arguably much more dishonorable than Stannis’ choice to kill Renly who was a traitor according to Westerosi law.
And before anyone calls me a Stannis “fanboy”, let me be clear that I’m simply playing devil’s advocate in order to point out the things I don’t particularly like about Brienne’s story.
Anyway, as I was saying, her desire to kill Stannis was nothing more than personal thirst for revenge. As Sean says, an oath to yourself doesn’t mean much. In fact one could argue that there is no such thing as an oath to yourself. It was just what she selfishly wanted to do, and her oath to Catelyn should have taken precedence.
Regardless, if a character has to chose between two things that they hold dear, there should be some consequences for that choice.
Yeah, it would be way too much. At least with Benjen we can argue that he did in fact die and is now condemned to live as a half-dead exile since he can’t pass the Wall, and with
the Hound we can argue that he simply didn’t die in the first place
, so that really only leaves Jon as a true resurrection in the sens that he has truly been given a second chance at life.
LSH would just feel like too much death-reversal, and would lessen the impact of the Red Wedding.
Dvd C.:
It could also go like this:
King’s Landing 8 mins.
Riverrun and the Riverlands 13 mins.
Braavos 3 mins.
Volantis 5 mins.
The North 18 mins.
Both credits 4 mins.
If Dany is set to sail for Westeros by the end of the season then she must arrive at Meereen in 6.07 ,she must solve the Meerenese knot as soon as possible. Then perhaps meet with the Greyjoys ,strike a deal with them and perhaps send Varyson a mission to Dorneto negotiate with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for a landing site for her armies.
I’m thinking that yeah. Only 3 episodes to “solve” that meerenese knot doesn’t seem enough. We’ll have the red priestess sent by kinvara, Tyrion has to tell Dany about the new agreement with the slavers, the city will be attacked again, we’ll have Theon and Yara, and finally they’ll head to Westeros. 3 episodes only don’t seem enough.
When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position
Or maybe she thought about how she felt never being able to tell Ned (or Cat) good-bye? After all she had just watched Ned’s head roll (the scene was shown the previous show, but it would have also been in this performance as well) I think Arya was saying how she felt about wanting vengence. And maybe that got her thinking.
Well, the battle is in Episode 9 so Jon and Sansa and crew do what they can the next two episodes and what houses join join. And if the spoilers we have seen are true
there will be bodies burning from crosses, people will die, there will be a parley of sorts in WF either before or after the battle and a giant may or may not break the door down depending on how you viewed the gates in the spoiler photos
and several characters’ arcs will end. Which characters, that is the more interesting point not that I expect the big six to end this season, but some of the rest likely will. And also, what will be left of the armies to deal with what must come in Season 7? Will the North be depleted? Will the survivors move south or confront the true enemy?
in the books, Edmure is paraded out day after day to be hanged and BF is not moved until Jamie tells Edmure what he will do if he surrenders and what he will do if he will not and Edmure tells the BF (which involves more than just hanging Edmure)
I don’t see why he would here react differently but who knows, maybe he does
Other than (1) make shadow babies; (2) have leeches thrown on the fire and kings die; (3) and survive poison, what other than interpret the flames and resurrect Jon, has Mel done ON THE SHOW magic-wise? (In the books, she is able to do other fire magic (such as burning Orrell’s Eagle from inside)
Revealing her true image is not likely to help with convincing the North to follow Jon. I’m thinking the Old Gods and R’Hllor are not exactly pals so I wonder if Mel will be more in the background.
Kargaryen: I’m thinking that yeah. Only 3 episodes to “solve” that meerenese knot doesn’t seem enough. We’ll have the red priestess sent by kinvara, Tyrion has to tell Dany about the new agreement with the slavers, the city will be attacked again, we’ll have Theon and Yara, and finally they’ll head to Westeros. 3 episodes only don’t seem enough.
I think she can still leave in the finale. She isn’t in episode 7, so episode 9 Harpy attack and Dany/Dothraki arrive back in Mereen and save the day, and then in the finale Theon/Yara arrive and offer the fleet and Dany says lets get out of Essos.
I don’t see why he would here react differently but who knows, maybe he does
I know what happens in the books. My posts were totally messed up about that. I don’t think they will change it for the show. Oh well. Oops. 🙂
Dee: aabe,
Well I was gonna say – if Blackfish loses… well then, no Tullys backing the starks in the winterfell battle
What about if BF abandons RR to the Freys/Lannisters and Edmure, and takes remaining troops up north with Brienne? It would be a compromise since Edmure/Riverrun would be officially under control of the crown for the forseeable future, but I think that BF would do it for Cat’s daughter, and Jaime would go for it for Brienne (and to avoid needless bloodshed).
Other than (1) make shadow babies; (2) have leeches thrown on the fire and kings die; (3) and survive poison, what other than interpret the flames and resurrect Jon, has Mel done ON THE SHOW magic-wise? (In the books, she is able to do other fire magic (such as burning Orrell’s Eagle from inside)
Revealing her true image is not likely to help with convincing the North to follow Jon.I’m thinking the Old Gods and R’Hllor are not exactly pals so I wonder if Mel will be more in the background.
Making a shadow baby, drinking poison with no effect and resurrecting dead bodies is pretty magical enough.
Markus Stark: Anyway, as I was saying, her desire to kill Stannis was nothing more than personal thirst for revenge. As Sean says, an oath to yourself doesn’t mean much. In fact one could argue that there is no such thing as an oath to yourself. It was just what she selfishly wanted to do, and her oath to Catelyn should have taken precedence.
I don’t fully agree. It seems to me from context that there is some duty for sworn swords to seek out the killers of those they swear themselves to / get justice for them. Even Stannis implies as much with his last words “Do your Duty”. Brienne also was the only person who knew for certain that Stannis/Melisandre were responsible – so if he was to be brought to justice, only she could do it.
Forgive me if this sounds silly – but is Arya posing as a boy in these pictures? We know she is a girl, but could she be taken for a boy (by those who does not know her) in those clothes? I remember that before I knew anything about the series, when I saw Arya’s season 2 photos in some friend’s facebook wall, I thought it was a boy.
I’m with you on her leaving in the finale but she must arrive in Meereen in 6.07,6.08 the most. Yara and Theon will already be there , Volantis is closer to Meereen that it is to Pyke and if it took them approximately an episode to travel there then they will arrive in Meereen in 6.08. Now the Ironborn are known to be rebellious and Theon is accompanying his sister , it is safe to assume that both Tyrion and Varys have heard of his treachery against the Starks so they will have to convince them about their trustworthiness .
Now once they have secured the ships they must also secure a landing site for the troops, so Varys will most likely head to Westeros and strike a deal with the Dornish and once news of this arrives by raven then they will set sail.
Mind you this can all take place in 6.08,6.09 and 6.10 but I do believe that Dany will arrive to Meereen on Drogon’s back in this episode. Nevertheless we can all agree that she will leave that hellhole and sail to Westeros in 6.10
True, and LSH is definitely the character whose return has the most cost to it, in terms of character development. She simply isn’t Catelyn anymore. It’s like an evil, vengeful spirit has taken over her body, and yet as a reader you can understand how this happens given the tragedy that was Catelyn’s life. Her appearance being so utterly horrific adds to the bleakness of it all, and GRRM clearly shows that he knows how to write horror.
I actually think it’s handled very well by GRRM, and is a beautifully tragic contemplation of what death can do to a person, but I just don’t think it’ll be well received if the show does it. In fact I’m fairly certain that critics and audiences alike will view it as a major shark jumping moment for the show, and one that massively undermines the most iconic moment, the Red Wedding. It would hurt the show, and people would undoubtedly start joking about how death no longer means anything on GoT.
I don’t trust most viewers and critics to see what GRRM was going for, or to appreciate the depth with which he explores the idea of the cost for being brought back from death, nor do I really trust the show to capture that tone appropriately.
For these reasons, I feel like it would be best for them to leave LSH out, if they can do so without massively altering the endgame for Jaime and Brienne.
Even if Manderly switch sides and support Jonsa team. Still it’s not enough to prevail for them so Vale coming on to save them is the most logical outcome. They’re there for a reason and I can’t see Littlefinger risking it by enetering battlefield with any sie. He’ll wait and then strike. It will be a Stark victory, but costly one. Ramsay for some reason might even make it to next season. The Northern storyline is so unpredictable it can take any turn.
I see your point, however I would tend to think that Stannis simply meant that from her perspective, it was her duty to execute the man who killed her king, and he respected the fact that she took it upon herself to fulfill that duty.
I still feel like in Brienne’s mind, the oath to Catelyn should take complete and utter precedence over any perceived obligation to avenge Renly.
And I certainly don’t buy this idea that Young Dragon brought up of an “oath to yourself” being used to get out of a true oath, like the one sworn to Cat.
I just find it difficult to sympathize with or root for Brienne at this point.
Oh, I hope it happens! Blackfish can continue the war by supporting Sansa – which is a stronger way of protest than holding Riverrun. He can only hope to annoy the Freys and Lannisters by holding Riverrun, the war was lost when Robb died. If he retreats to North to raise Sansa as Queen in the North(he will need to retreat because Edmure is likely to surrender Riverrun), then all Riverlands houses except Freys will rally to her, by which time Cersei and the Lannisters will be a done deal. Blackfish’s current campaign will end when he dies. (Edmure is a Frey prisoner and Blackfish has no children. Robin Arryn is as bad as Freys). He is only doing to honor Robb’s memory, not with any ultimate ambitions. But if he is fighting for Sansa, Bran or Rickon, Robb’s bannermen will get a new cause to fight for.
But knowing D&D, Blackfish might just get killed. 🙁
He could definitely turn me into a Morning person. 🙂
There are two reasons I made it past the cold open of the first episode: Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage. Had I not known those two were in the show, I likely would have turned off the tv. I’m sooooooooooooooo glad I didn’t!!!
Prediction: Arya and the Waif have a chase around the city of bravvos. That scene we see in the trailer of Aryas bloody hand is her leadin the waif to that dark room where she has needle stashed.
Connor:
If Bran, Meera and BENJEN aren’t in this episode for at least one scene, I will slightly disappointed.
But this episode looks great going by these pictures. Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
GET HYPE! If those episode titles are real (I hope episode 9 isnt called “Battle of the Bastards”) and if episode 10 is really titled “The Winds of Winter’ then the wall could come down at the end of the season.
I think it would be sick if the final 2 scenes are Dany and crew heading for Westeros and then the Wall coming down.
I’m with you on her leaving in the finale but she must arrive in Meereen in 6.07,6.08 the most. Yara and Theon will already be there , Volantis is closer to Meereen that it is to Pyke and if it took them approximately an episode to travel there then they will arrive in Meereen in 6.08. Now the Ironborn are known to be rebellious and Theon is accompanying his sister , it is safe to assume that both Tyrion and Varys have heard of his treachery against the Starks so they will have to convince them about their trustworthiness .
Now once they have secured the ships they must also secure a landing site for the troops, so Varys will most likely head to Westeros and strike a deal with the Dornish and once news of this arrives by raven then they will set sail.
Mind you this can all take place in 6.08,6.09 and 6.10 but I do believe that Dany will arrive to Meereen on Drogon’s back in this episode. Nevertheless we can all agree that she will leave that hellhole and sail to Westeros in 6.10
The only thing throwing me off is that article about possible Seasons 7 and 8 filming locations that was posted here. It looked like more locations for Essos, but if she’s leaving that doesn’t make sense.
Also, after that last episode do you think they set it up to where Dany will always fly Drogon for now on?
Revealing her true image is not likely to help with convincing the North to follow Jon. I’m thinking the Old Gods and R’Hllor are not exactly pals so I wonder if Mel will be more in the background.
No, but perhaps she can glamor herself to look like a wight, or someone else to look like one.
Darkrobin: And also, what will be left of the armies to deal with what must come in Season 7? Will the North be depleted? Will the survivors move south or confront the true enemy?
Well, that makes for an interesting parallel, doesn’t it? OK, let’s suppose that the Wall comes down, the Northerners start running into wights and even White Walkers. What can they do?
1) The Northerners could ask the southerners for help. Except, of course, one problem: the southern Westerosi do not believe that the White Walkers ever even existed. So, they will not send aid to a non-existent threat.
2) The Northerners could take a page from the Wildlings’ book and flee south. Except, of course, one problem: the Northerners recently invaded the south and inflicted much damage on southern houses before being beaten. So, the southerners would assume that it’s another invasion. Of course, the Northerners could tell the southerners why they are fleeing south. Except, of course….
And thus the amusing parallel: the Northerners will be in exactly the same position in the eyes of Westeros as the Wildlings in the eyes of the Umbers, Boltons and Karstarks. In a way, this could be the best thing for which the Lannisters could hope. Their fragile alliances with other southern houses could well be renewed by necessity at the thought of Northern savages fleeing south! (And worse: the Northerners at that point might have betrayed everything that it means to be Westerosi by allying with Wildlings!!!)
One thing I am curious to see is whether we will get any whacky explanations for the wights and/or White Walkers as the Maesters try to explain them with anything but the old Northern legends.
Jack Bauer 24: Making a shadow baby, drinking poison with no effect and resurrecting dead bodies is pretty magical enough.
Or miraculous! However, where “miracle” stops and “magic” begins, it is hard to say. And it’s possible that the question is not whether it is magic, but who is controlling it: Mel or R’hllor.
Can Brienne reach Riverrun and return north in time to help Sansa? Last we saw Ramsay, it looked like he had allies, and was about to go after Castle Black. I fear that he’ll massacre the Night Watch.
Meanwhile, Jon, Davos, Sansa are just starting to look for allies. Possibly the show repeats what went down with Stannis, with a twist: Ramsay outnumbers Starks and wildlings, but is destroyed when Littlefinger and the Vale make a surprise appearance.
That, of course, would make the Starks beholden to Littlefinger. Life is never simple for these poor people.
She could pretend to be a boy but I don’t think thats going to keep Waif or Jaquen from finding him (remember, Jaquen knew him first for a boy)
Markus Stark: I still feel like in Brienne’s mind, the oath to Catelyn should take complete and utter precedence over any perceived obligation to avenge Renly.
If it were that simple, then there would be no story here! Moreover, other people would argue the opposite: the oath you swear in 1999 has to take precedence over the oath you swore in 2001. Now, you might see it the other way around: your 2001 oath invalidates your 1999 oath. However, you essentially are in a Gödelian paradox: both statements cannot be true. So, she can uphold her vows to Renly (which means avenging his death) and break her vows to Catelyn, or she can uphold her vows to Catelyn (which means avenging her death, albeit in a different way) and break her vows to Renly.
ash: Jaquen from finding him (remember, Jaquen knew him first for a boy)
Actually, Jaquen first knew Arya when she was pretending to be a boy. He says that he always knew: and given his profession, that would not be surprising. After all, the people who are most apt to see through a magicians tricks are other magicians.
Not relevant to plot lines, but I have to say that it would be quite amusing if that preview of Pod getting grabbed from behind (if Bronn having a joke) turns into Pod flipping him over unexpectedly, what with his months of Brienne training and all. The look on Bronn’s face would be priceless from the ground!!
And thus the amusing parallel: the Northerners will be in exactly the same position in the eyes of Westeros as the Wildlings in the eyes of the Umbers, Boltons and Karstarks. In a way, this could be the best thing for which the Lannisters could hope.
“So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Obey your father. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. What if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent?”
I’m not down for LF showing up and being the hero. HELLZ TO THE NO
Can Brienne reach Riverrun and return north in time to help Sansa? Last we saw Ramsay, it looked like he had allies, and was about to go after Castle Black. I fear that he’ll massacre the Night Watch.
Meanwhile, Jon, Davos, Sansa are just starting to look for allies. Possibly the show repeats what went down with Stannis, with a twist: Ramsay outnumbers Starks and wildlings, but is destroyed when Littlefinger and the Vale make a surprise appearance.
That, of course, would make the Starks beholden to Littlefinger. Life is never simple for these poor people.
Why would she leave 1/3 of her army behind. She should want the Unsullied, Second Sons, and Dothraki all to come to Westeros.
Speaking of the Second Sons, how many are there and where are they? I don’t remember seeing them in Mereen.
I wonder how much of Braavos we will see with Arya fleeing now? I hope a good chunk.
I have no doubt the WW’s and their army will make at least as far south as
The Trident, given one of Dany’s dreams: “That night she dreamt she was Rhaegar, riding to the Trident. But she was mounted on a dragon, not a horse. When she saw the Usurper’s rebel host across the river they were armored all in ice, but she bathed them in dragonfire and they melted away like dew and turned the Trident into a torrent.”
The only things I’m up for regarding LF are his actions throughout the story being exposed (so we get to have the fun of seeing him know he’s toast), then a slow, painful death.
I thought she was thinking about all of these things along with how her own mother would have felt before she died. Losing all of her children to death or capture. More LSH foreshadowing. Whether or not they bring her back, they certainly are teasing out the possibility.
I find her putting her oath to Renly above her oath to Catelyn mitigated intensely by the fact that she had already been refused by Sansa and had been waiting around for weeks (months?) for some sign that Sansa needed her without indication that she did.
It could be seen as a foolish move, but certainly not one devoid of all honor. She’s really gone above and beyond overall to make sure she’s followed up on her oath to Catelyn – an oath that even included the stipulation that she could still get her vengeance for Renly when it was sworn.
Jack Bauer 24: Why would she leave 1/3 of her army behind. She should want the Unsullied, Second Sons, and Dothraki all to come to Westeros.
If it only takes two weeks to get from the Iron Islands to Volantis, perhaps Yara and Theon should make two trips. They might be able to finish both trips before Euron is even done chopping and planking. No, not that kind of planking.
Dany needs to fly on Drogon, going east to get west, traveling fast enough so that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.
My memory may be off, but I recall hearing him in his wagon saying ‘boy’ when he asked her for water. I could be wrong. But yeah, he of course would know the truth..
I would hope this is saved for closer to the endgame of this story, since he was essentially the igniter of all this “modern” era of Westeros conflict. Honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing him be the villain on the the Iron throne (king of the ashes) when Dany arrives to kick ass.
I’m not arguing any of those points though. My problem is that the show would have us believe Brienne is honorable, and yet she makes a questionable decision in 5.10, a decision that has absolutely no consequences whatsoever.
She gets the best of both worlds ! She avenges Renly, thus satisfying her thirst for revenge, and she gets to swoop in and save the day for Sansa.
Ultimately, the show has made it so that Brienne’s dilemma was meaningless, and that scene in 5.10 where she looks at the broken tower before rushing off to find Stannis is now incredibly silly, as Sansa and Theon made it out fine without her, and as soon as the Bolton men caught up to them, Brienne was right there to help.
If you’re going to give your character a difficult choice, it’s best not to write the story in such a way that the choice didn’t really matter after all.
She chose Renly over Sansa, and she should have been made to pay for that choice in some way.
And as I said, that choice is very questionable. Is Brienne truly the honorable servant of House Stark that she claims to be when she abandoned her mission to protect Sansa to go kill Stannis ? The show never explores that question, or the moral ambiguity of Brienne’s decision, which further highlights just how cheap and false her dilemma was. It was played for 10 seconds of drama in the finale where the viewers wonder what Brienne will do, but ultimately it meant nothing.
Plus, killing Stannis could have seriously compromised things for Sansa by prolonging her captivity. As things played out, Stannis had lost the battle anyway, and Sansa managed to escape anyway, but Brienne didn’t know any of that would happen when she decided to go after Stannis. Let’s imagine that things had gone differently.
If Stannis had won and taken Winterfell, Sansa would have been in a terrific position. No longer abused by Ramsay, and named Lady of Winterfell. And yet Brienne was willing to essentially help the Boltons win by taking out the commander of the opposing army.
Obviously we know as the audience that the battle was lost long before Brienne found Stannis, and her killing him had nothing to do with why he lost, but once again, she didn’t know that he would lose so badly when she decided to go find him. She set out to kill him knowing that if she found him before (or at the beginning of) the battle it would likely lead to a Bolton victory, which would result in Sansa’s captivity being prolonged, and she did it anyway.
It’s a complete and utter betrayal of Cat, and it could have had dire consequences for Sansa. But Brienne only cared about revenge. It’s not honorable, and the show should have addressed this instead of making Brienne a hero once again.
There are 2000 Second Sons, and they are in Meereen. We don’t see them, but Daario mentions them as being there in 4.05 and 5.02.
Clive Russell/Blackfish is looking healthy af. Can’t wait to get his reaction to the Red Wedding. Has Cersei been wearing black this whole time (since Myrcella)?
If McShane is in this episode, will his name be in the opening credits?
?? for a well written reply. Not well received? Good riddance. Shark jumping? Sharks don’t jump. They surface. Apologies. I loathe idioms. I think it applies more to Ben Cold and showJon anyway. I think the big hurdle is capturing the horror element you brought up. The main reason I want to see her is I know this costume/makeup team could surpass Martin’s vision.
If that goes wrong, “not well received” is a best case scenario as you also mentioned.
I’m surprised the High Sparrow let Marg wear her crown considering it symbolizes everything that’s wrong with Marg. I guess it’s okay as long as He is calling the shots. What happens when the Crown & the Faith disagree?
I find her putting her oath to Renly above her oath to Catelyn mitigated intensely by the fact that she had already been refused by Sansa and had been waiting around for weeks (months?) for some sign that Sansa needed her without indication that she did.
It could be seen as a foolish move, but certainly not one devoid of all honor. She’s really gone above and beyond overall to make sure she’s followed up on her oath to Catelyn – an oath that even included the stipulation that she could still get her vengeance for Renly when it was sworn.
Exactly this.
Rygritte
Speaking of the crown and the faith, did anyone else have a moment of Metropolis, when a similar speech is made as the ‘heart’ and ‘mind’ hold hands?
Well, she might have appeased the French… but never the Queen Regent Catherine de’ Medici (she’s one of my favourite historical figures).
Nymeria Warrior Queen:
I have no doubt the WW’s and their army will make at least as far south as
Ohhhh good post! It’s been a while since I read the books. This is a gem! While I will be sad when the books are done, I’ll be happy to see the resolution of all of the dreams and prophecies. I’ve wasted a lot of brain power trying to make sense of them.
There are all kinds of problems. I thought breach and surface were synonmous. Surface fit my narrative more?. Also, the idiom relates to going over a shark rather than a shark literally jumping. I was attempting to twist markus’ words?
Will: I would hope this is saved for closer to the endgame of this story, since he was essentially the igniter of all this “modern” era of Westeros conflict.
I see what you’re saying, and the way you framed it, it makes a lot of sense. I just don’t want to see him having any more success. In fact, as much as I have no interest in
LSH
appearing, if that character shows up to kill LF, I’d
actually, suddenly become just fine with seeing that character…hahaha. Lady Snow,
Thanks! I did a reread last summer, and that particular dream really leaped out at me.
It was just what [Brienne] selfishly wanted to do, and her oath to Catelyn should have taken precedence.
You seem to be forgetting that Brienne’s oath to Catelyn was conditional on a promise from Catelyn that she wouldn’t hold Brienne back from killing Stannis “when the time comes,” i.e. when an opportunity presented itself. That very situation occurred when Brienne saw her chance in 5×10. Brienne did not break her vow, since her vow had a Stannis exception clause: “I will be your sworn sword and serve you, on the condition that you let me go after Stannis when I see an opening.”
No, sharks do not jump. Fonzie did: and over the shark at that. However, Happy Days never recovered. (Of course, as Ron Howard later said, you know it was a great TV series when it has metaphor for when a long-lived series loses it.)
That was particularly apt in that book/season, as the story was about conflicted loyalties.
Markus Stark: She avenges Renly, thus satisfying her thirst for revenge, and she gets to swoop in and save the day for Sansa.
Executing Stannis was the honorable thing to do given Westerosi values.
ash: My memory may be off, but I recall hearing him in his wagon saying ‘boy’ when he asked her for water.
heh, well, my guess is that he also knows how to play along! In his line of work, a secret learned is often one best kept to yourself: you never know when it might become handy.
so bring back blackfish and edmure only for them to die
#annoying
This is what I’m afraid of (a la Osha). I hope not! But, that clip in the trailer showing the Freys and Lannisters celebrating could mean they won the siege. Fingers crossed that it’s only a misdirection by the show’s producers so we’d think RR has been retaken. I want the Red Wedding avenged so badly!
Jumbo:
aww look at Jon and Arya connecting to each other through the same hairstyle.
Maybe it’s the Stark Hairstyle. 🙂 Arya used to wear her hair that way in season 1 before it was chopped off. She’s definitely gone back to being a wolf.
QueenofThrones: I don’t fully agree.It seems to me from context that there is some duty for sworn swords to seek out the killers of those they swear themselves to / get justice for them.Even Stannis implies as much with his last words “Do your Duty”.Brienne also was the only person who knew for certain that Stannis/Melisandre were responsible – so if he was to be brought to justice, only she could do it.
Except it wasn’t even justice, except in the mind of Brienne. Renly was a traitor and deserved to die, and Stannis gave him the cleanest death imaginable and saved thousands of lives in doing it. But for Brienne, bashing, slashing, or slicing open with metal objects is the only legit way to kill. She’s only getting “justice” for Stannis violating her absurd code with respect the the proper way to fight a war.
There was no honor in what she did. It was simple petty bloodlust revenge for a misperceived slight (and she didn’t even get her revenge…she spared Stannis a flaying!). And as others have pointed out, she was effectively fighting for the Boltons for a while, utterly betraying her truly honorable course….and the course Book!Brienne took. This is a fundamental change in characterization and thus no longer them same story. Rather, it was just bad writing, both at a character level and a technical one (her ability to warp through armies unseen is just absurd, and she would have had no way to find, or even reason to look for, Sansa outside the castle and logically heading AWAY from the battle zone).
It is not that I care only for the WW; it just seems to me that all stories converge at this point towards a final showdown, the living versus the dead. In-between characters that follow their own agenda would be strange to introduce at this stage, that is what I mean by pointless.
And I never, ever base my opinions on what other people may think, my friend.
JJ: What would you ultimately like for her? ST: I want her to get revenge. I want her to avenge her family’s death and everything. But then I kind of want her to die at the end because I want a big death scene. I want her to die and I want Littlefinger to end up on the throne. I don’t really care about anyone else.
Eh? If she wants LF to end up on the throne then her family will not be avenged. She’s probably trolling. 🙂
I was intending to suggest that Arya was able to voice how it felt not to say good-bye because she had been in the very same situation (twice) and that that person would not just cry but want vengence – I think that’s what she told Lady Crane. However, to your point, yes and no. To me Arya does not want to become a faceless man and therefore to kill indiscriminately when told to. However, I would bet that at least one person on her list meets their end at her hands.
Normally, being raised as siblings and being cousins would be uber-creepy of the likes of step-siblings Boone and Shannon on Lost.But this is Game of Thrones, after all.Even so, I do not see Jon and Sansa as kindred spirits.If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
And Arya+Jon was what GRRM originally planned to happen although hopefully he’s totally abandoned that ship. Even though they may be only cousins, to both of them, they’ll always remain beloved siblings (the sibling each one loves the most – at least in the books). As for Jon and Sansa, I don’t think they’re each other’s type at all. Sansa, I think, would go for a sophisticated, royal or a great game-player. No, not LF! (ick) Tyrion actually would be a good match for her. They’d be awesome together playing the game of thrones. On the other hand, Jon would go for an Ygrette-type badass, fearless woman – maybe in some ways someone like Arya and Meera (but not necessarily them because – Gendry and Bran). Hmmn, if he’d meet someone like Lyanna, he’d probably fall in love with her (like father, like…). Wait, why am I talking about romance? This is GOT, no place for sweet romance here, only tragic ones.
I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while – she’s not killing him or dealing with him. He’s going to find a way back into her good graces because she’ll realize that she needs him, emotions aside.
I think anyone hoping for LF to get what he “deserves” is going to be deeply disappointed
Sou: it just seems to me that all stories converge at this point towards a final showdown, the living versus the dead.
Do they? I would argue that they are converging on something very different: Bad Choice A vs. Bad Choice B vs. Bad Choice C.
Jon is a “saving people” kind of person. Daeny is even more a “saving people” kind of person. The White Walkers essentially are a sentient weapon that turned on their creators/masters. We have seen those before in this story. In the end, I think that it might be more about liberating the enslaved and burying the hatchets. But the price will not come cheap: as the Moment said to the Doctor, your punishment will be to survive.
Sam: And Arya+Jon was what GRRM originally planned to happen although hopefully he’s totally abandoned that ship.
My bet is that these things were not even called “ships” when GRRM abandoned it.
Oh wow 790 comments, usualy only get about this much for the episode open chat
Says something about how htped we are
Personally looking forward to seeing some of the more obscure Houses often glossed over, not just the North but i do hope we get to see the aforementioned RL Houses rebelling
Looking forward to Bronn as always + the Blackfish who was fantastically cast
Some more Randyll wouldn’t go astray but think i’ll have 2 wait
viki: It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfit. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
I’m not sure where or how she got the new clothes, but as for why…well, if the Waif was hunting me, I think I’d go find my brown pants too. 🙂
Nadia: I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while
Given where this season’s story is going, my bet is that Sansa will cave and ask for his help. We’ve seen Daeny go to some extremes to win over the Dothraki. We’ve seen what Jon’s extremes have done to win over the Wildlings: and now we are going to see Jon (and Sansa) have to make up for that in an effort to win over any Northerners. We are seeing Tyrion have to ally himself with one Church while Cersei tries to summon allies against another church. And we’ve seen Arya cut herself off from her allies.
It probably would be best for the story (and best for Sansa’s belated dynamic development) if she sucks it up and realizes that despite how much she hates LF right now, she needs the Vale army more than that.
(heh, of course, I’m now wondering if Brienne is going to run into Jaime, offer him the chance to live up to his promise to Catelyn, and they’ll head north with Blackfish & Co. or something nutso like that. That would be a strange bedfellow alliance!)
I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while – she’s not killing him or dealing with him. He’s going to find a way back into her good graces because she’ll realize that she needs him, emotions aside.
I think anyone hoping for LF to get what he “deserves” is going to be deeply disappointed
Actually i think she’ll play the game and keep him.around for a while, but she did just make him literally say he was ready to die lol
I reckon he plays a part in her RL/Vale ascension arc, eg she’ll be put into power in the RL at Riverrun, but the Vale also via her burgeoning influence over Sweetrobin
Once she decides to get rid of LF she just has to strategically mention his role in both his parents death and then it’s out the Moon Door he goes
From there my theories go a little odd, eg a dark Queen utilising bloodmagic reigning out of Harrenhall
Jack:
Captain Darling has gone back in time it seems. Hopefully Blackadder follows him soon (hint please cast Rowan Atkinson or Stephen FryD&D for any role).
Lol
Rowan Atkinson Blackadder as “Ulter Shett” from the Vale please!
I read the history of westeros recently. It doesn’t matter what claim you have, its all about the army you have and how smart you are. Period. Dany for example won’t conquor because she is a targ. It will be because she have a huge ass army and she has dragons. Nothing to do with any claim. Or……Rhaegar would have killed Robert Baratheon
Wimsey:
My bet is that these things were not even called “ships” when GRRM abandoned it.
I’m now wondering if Brienne is going to run into Jaime, offer him the chance to live up to his promise to Catelyn, and they’ll head north with Blackfish & Co. or something nutso like that.
I keep trying to guess how they will translate the book cliff-hanger into the show with that absence of that other character.
I’m gathering we will see the BWB as they were mentioned by Walder Frey and I think there were rumors that
Thoros
might make an appearance this season.
As Brienne and Sansa’s storylines have yet to intersect in the books
and Sansa is in the Vale for now in the books, will LF and the army of the Vale go north in TWOW? And would that possibly allow Sansa and Brienne to run into each other in the books?
or does Brienne’s arc start to intersect Arya’s, assuming she makes landfall in Westeros somewhere in the Riverlands?
Could Arya assume the role of that other character? She is known to the BWB and it is possible that they have a spy inside the Twins as they did the Tom O’Sevens singer/harpist at Riverrun at the end of AFFC? That could get her inside the Twins?
Other than Anguy the archer and Thoros and Beric, I don’t recall them introducing a harpist, but I think there were casting rumors on the BWB that indicated they were casting a few parts
Thoughts?
Wimsey,
Do you think that Dany’s choice may involve her “children” ?
I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while – she’s not killing him or dealing with him. He’s going to find a way back into her good graces because she’ll realize that she needs him, emotions aside.
I think anyone hoping for LF to get what he “deserves” is going to be deeply disappointed
Well I love Littlefinger so I hope you’re right. Then again, that shot of him in the trailer confronting someone in the snow didn’t look encouraging.
Ravyn: Well I love Littlefinger so I hope you’re right. Then again, that shot of him in the trailer confronting someone in the snow didn’t look encouraging.
I never interpreted that photo of LF as looking afraid, like some seem to. To me, his expression just looks like….LF. “Ah, what do we have here?” 🙂
So Jaime is the lord of the Casterly Rock and warden of the west now? Curiously who held that role for last season and a half? Why didn’t the ironborn attack west lands for that duration then?
Wimsey
Jamie going north wouldn’t be that crazy. I always thought there were hints in the books that he would support a child of Rhaegar if one were to appear!
The Ironborn were loosing men and castles in the North and the Starks didn’t have an army to defend it, so probably that’s why. The Westerlands were better defended.
I’m not arguing any of those points though. My problem is that the show would have us believe Brienne is honorable, and yet she makes a questionable decision in 5.10, a decision that has absolutely no consequences whatsoever.
She gets the best of both worlds ! She avenges Renly, thus satisfying her thirst for revenge, and she gets to swoop in and save the day for Sansa.
Ultimately, the show has made it so that Brienne’s dilemma was meaningless, and that scene in 5.10 where she looks at the broken tower before rushing off to find Stannis is now incredibly silly, as Sansa and Theon made it out fine without her, and as soon as the Bolton men caught up to them, Brienne was right there to help.
If you’re going to give your character a difficult choice, it’s best not to write the story in such a way that the choice didn’t really matter after all.
She chose Renly over Sansa, and she should have been made to pay for that choice in some way.
And as I said, that choice is very questionable. Is Brienne truly the honorable servant of House Stark that she claims to be when she abandoned her mission to protect Sansa to go kill Stannis ? The show never explores that question, or the moral ambiguity of Brienne’s decision, which further highlights just how cheap and false her dilemma was. It was played for 10 seconds of drama in the finale where the viewers wonder what Brienne will do, but ultimately it meant nothing.
Plus, killing Stannis could have seriously compromised things for Sansa by prolonging her captivity. As things played out, Stannis had lost the battle anyway, and Sansa managed to escape anyway, but Brienne didn’t know any of that would happen when she decided to go after Stannis. Let’s imagine that things had gone differently.
If Stannis had won and taken Winterfell, Sansa would have been in a terrific position. No longer abused by Ramsay, and named Lady of Winterfell. And yet Brienne was willing to essentially help the Boltons win by taking out the commander of the opposing army.
Obviously we know as the audience that the battle was lost long before Brienne found Stannis, and her killing him had nothing to do with why he lost, but once again, she didn’t know that he would lose so badly when she decided to go find him. She set out to kill him knowing that if she found him before (or at the beginning of) the battle it would likely lead to a Bolton victory, which would result in Sansa’s captivity being prolonged, and she did it anyway.
It’s a complete and utter betrayal of Cat, and it could have had dire consequences for Sansa. But Brienne only cared about revenge. It’s not honorable, and the show should have addressed this instead of making Brienne a hero once again.
I really don’t see what the problem is, as her oath to Cat had the stipulation that when the time came, Cat would not stand in her way of enacting vengeance on Stannis.
Brienne missing her opportunity to save Sansa in episode 10 was designed for dramatic effect, and it succeeded in that (realistically, what could she have done, climb the walls of Winterfell?).
And her eventual rescue was also teased out for maximum impact as Sansan was about to be recaptured. The show doesn’t have time for Briennes book dilemma, and the show has adapted this aspect fairly well.
I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while – she’s not killing him or dealing with him. He’s going to find a way back into her good graces because she’ll realize that she needs him, emotions aside.
I think anyone hoping for LF to get what he “deserves” is going to be deeply disappointed
I’m not so sure. Realistically we don’t have time for extended sub-plots moving forward with only 12-15 eps to go and the show needs to start trimming the fat (as it always does so shockingly/beautifully).
For this (and other reasons), LF has to go. it’s been foreshadowed in ep5 with Sansas confrontation and, whilst I do believe she’ll be reliant on the Vale forces for victory, LF will die at WF per the book prophecy from AFFC. Yohn Royce certainly won’t shed any tears and will likely bend the knee to Sansa in the great war to come, especially if the wall falls in ep10 (priorities and all that).
Let’s not forget that Brienne is likely to discover LFs schemes (including taking Sansa’s head) from Jaime in the coming episode, that information will get to her somehow- and the only option is for all these loose ends to be tied up with a noose/ sword.
I’m not so sure. Realistically we don’t have time for extended sub-plots moving forward with only 12-15 eps to go and the show needs to start trimming the fat (as it always does so shockingly/beautifully).
For this (and other reasons), LF has to go. it’s been foreshadowed in ep5 with Sansas confrontation and, whilst I do believe she’ll be reliant on the Vale forces for victory, LF will die at WF per the book prophecy from AFFC. We have the oft-quoted rule here that guns being hung (yawn) must be fired fairly soon, so this is likely gonna be this season. Yohn Royce certainly won’t shed any tears and will likely bend the knee to Sansa in the great war to come, especially if the wall falls in ep10 (priorities and all that).
And let’s not forget that Brienne will discover LFs schemes (including taking Sansa’s head) from Jaime in the coming episode, that information will get to her somehow- and the only option is for all these loose ends to be tied up with a noose/ sword.
wouldn’t it be funny if they don’t believe he died and came back so they kill him as a runaway and red women bring him back again
before she made the oath to Robbs mother , she made her promise that she would not stop her when the opertunity to kill him presents itself , and Cat said ok then bree kneels and makes the oath so there no breaking one to do the other.
i don’t think she is really going to solve mereen she just gonna leave Tyrion and few( red priestess) to rule in name ,they have stop the killing Tyrion did that with the deal he made. Danny prob just gonna go take some ships from where ever she can and take what she can to westeros brings order by helping defeat the dead as the one who was promised but dies near the end but thats ok because she did enough to bring balance .
In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here.
all in all, the truest statement ever posted. as revealed in the show, he is the one who convinced lysa to poison jon arryn. he is the one who convinced her to write the false letter to cat stating the lannisters were to blame. implied but not explained in the show, he misrepresented the truth about the dagger used to try to kill bran. he claimed he lost it to tyrion in a bet. that he, LF, bet jaime would win a joust and tyrion bet ser loras would win. tyrion has been shown, repeatedly, to be very loyal to his brother.
book spoiler
in the books, tyrion states he would never bet against his brother when thinking about this dagger and the explanation given .
he betrayed ned. he was one of the people responsible for killing joffery. well, i can’t hold that against him, i guess.
basically, Lf is pretty much responsible for this whole mess. if jon arryn had not been murdered, ned would not be needed as hand of the king. robert would not have gone to WF. bran would not have been pushed from a window. if cat had not got that letter, ned would not have been convinced to go to KL. he would not have been executed. a war would not have started. robb and cat would not have been killed, etc. etc.
there are some good, bad, and in between characters in this story. LF seems to be the one truly completely evil character. as varys said “he would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes.”
yeah he calls her boy ,because it is not a mans job to ruin a girls secrets but a man new all along , he says this when she fetches water and meet him serving the lannisters . still a girl keeps secrets
And interestingly he (indirectly) plays a role in saving Westeros. As, if none of these things happened, Bran wouldn’t have fallen, become the 3ER, Jon wouldn’t have died and come back etc etc etc. Everything happens for a reason. Not that I’m a LF fan of course 🙂
i think bran would become the 3er no matter if he did or didn’t get pushed , just as a warg comes into there power with age/time.
maria: Can Brienne reach Riverrun and return north in time to help Sansa? Last we saw Ramsay, it looked like he had allies, and was about to go after Castle Black. I fear that he’ll massacre the Night Watch.
Well, Sansa sent Brienne to Riverrun with the premise that it would be possible to bring back BF and his army. So, in universe it’s valid – I mean LF got the Vale army to WF in 0.5 episodes so why not? :p
If Ramsey attacks castle Black, there are like 20 guys there. Not much to massacre and he’d be leaving Winterfell undefended (which is good for our heros).
Meanwhile, Jon, Davos, Sansa are just starting to look for allies. Possibly the show repeats what went down with Stannis, with a twist: Ramsay outnumbers Starks and wildlings, but is destroyed when Littlefinger and the Vale make a surprise appearance.
That, of course, would make the Starks beholden to Littlefinger. Life is never simple for these poor people.
Eh, it would be OK with me if LF is involved provided there’s enough strength left directly loyal to Jon and/or Sansa. I seriously doubt that Sansa is going to suddenly want to marry LF or something just because he shows up at the last minute to “rescue” them. So LF doesn’t really gain anything solid by doing it.
After being the master mind of EVERYTHING that has happened from Jon Arryn to Ned Stark to Joffrey Baratheon to Lysa Arryn as well as uniting the Lannisters and Tyrells – slightly disappearing of the face of the earth only to come back and be killed immediately? Seems too good to be true
Apropos of nothing, but am I the only one who finds it curious that we’re now on the Friday before Episode 7 will be aired, and HBO still has not officially announced the title for Episode 8? I mean, yeah, we have that possibly leaked title of “No One” but that’s not been confirmed (and neither has the episode description).
Are we going to have to wait until HBO releases the E8 trailer on YouTube before finding out what that episode is going to be titled?
Okay and after alllllllllllll that
people think hes going to die easily in episode 10?
Why?
I mean I would love that as it would be sweet revenge… is it time for sweet revenge already???? I would love that, and if sansa is the one who makes the call, well she deserves that honour.
Lets go back to what Tyrion said
“Sansa’s not a killer. Not yet anyway” 😉
I’d imagine it was Kevan. House Lannister is still pretty powerful as they have a lot of smaller Houses under their banner although it’s not really put across in the show. Although their main family future looks pretty bleak as as Genna and Janei can’t carry on the family name, Gerion and Tyrek are both MIA presumed dead and Jaime,Lancel and Tyrion don’t really look in any position to do much!
If the Ironborn had hit in the War of the Five Kings then they might (and it’s a big might) have been able to take Lannisport and maybe even Casterly Rock but with the main part of the war finished, the Lannisters still have one of the most powerful and well-equipped armies in Westeros.
Wimsey
The question is: what is Jon’s reaction going to be when he learns the “why” of the Walkers? They are not some arbitrary “evil”: they are basically formers slaves who rose against their masters and their masters’ enemies. Jon showed unusual willingness to put himself in his enemies shoes with the Wildlings: that is going to be important.
I don’t think we should ever look at the Walkers as former slaves – they are a weapon of mass destruction gone rogue, not former slaves who”ve found freedom. After all, they are raising an army of undead to go against the living, butchering their way to the South. The Unsullied are human, the Walkers are not.
Jaime would never let the Blackfish take a Tully army
north though.
Why not?
His orders from Cersei are “take back that castle because it’s ours.” If he can do that without having to raise arms against Tully or Stark he’ll jump at the chance… With a little push from Brienne to remember he can make his own damn choices.
The Lannisters had a big hand in the Starks losing Winterfell. Even though the Freys and the Boltons did the dirty work, it was Tywin who arranged everything. Jaime is still very much a Lannister, all his loyalties are towards his family. So I cannot imagine him letting Blackfish take an army to help the Starks take back Winterfell. That would be detrimental to the Lannisters, especially if Sansa emerged as the QitN after a Stark win.
Besides, he knows that a lot of the River Lords still feel loyalty towards the Starks. So if Sansa were to emerge as a queen, the River Lords, except the Freys would naturally rally to the side of Catelyn Tully’s daughter. So North and Riverlands united under a Stark would be bad news for the Lannisters. Jaime would know that and I cannot imagine him actively helping Sansa and Co. in emerging victorious in the North (which is what he would be doing if he let BF take an army to help her). Not to mention, the Bolton are supposed to be Lannister allies.
He swore to Catelyn that he would ensure her daughters’ safety. That’s it. I doubt he would feel obligated to help her in retaking her home.
The Freys are looking right and Jaime/Bronn are looking left. It looks like they’re sharing words on the field they’ve set up camp.
The trailer has many dead bodies on what I hope is that field, not within Riverrun.
Dream scenario: Jaime butchers the Freys and Blackfish lives.
I’ve got this Jared-length post I’m trying to make and WotW hates me. Is anyone else having issues with WotW eating posts? You may see three or four of the same post if they ever get regurgitated.
Nymeria Warrior Queen:
I have no doubt the WW’s and their army will make at least as far south as …
I agree, although I have some issues. Wild speculation based on book stuff:
I suppose this really is a tinfoil theory, but I firmly believe that the stone Kings of the North and their stone direwolves in the Winterfell crypts will rise when the Wall comes down and will defend the north, which is why there always has to be a Stark at Winterfell to lead these kings to battle. Perhaps they won’t be nearly enough to stop the Others and wights but only delay them.
…To Be Continued
Part 2 of 4:
And then there are the Barrowlands. Holy Fuck! I’m not sure y’all thought about that, but the barrows in the Barrowlands would probably double the wight army, assuming they can raise those who’ve been dead hundreds or thousands of years.
I give up. You’ll never know Parts 3 and 4. Alas.
I like the Tarly’s blade Heartsbane. Why didn’t the show take the same effort with Dawn???
You know that moment when you are reading a post and you’re like, everything about this post is illogical, unsound, unfounded, and ridiculous, and then you finally think to relook at the author? Oh. Yeah. Duh. I was supposed to skip you.
Jaime was ordered to find and kill Sansa Stark by Cersei. Instead, that very episode, he gave his sword to Brienne and told her to get out of the city protect Sansa and Arya at all costs. I think he also released Tyrion at the same time, also against Cerseis expressed wishes (though that was having to choose between two family members).
Since then, a observant viewer will realize that Cersei has not asked Jaime to do anything morally objectionable. She’s realized that doesn’t work anymore because he’s changed. she’s giving him these “hero” missions (rescue Myrcella, Rescue Margaery and Loras, get that castle back, etc) because it ensures he’ll be useful to her instead of wrecking her plans. That’s not the same thing at all as Jaime doing what she wants all the Tim.
Jaime will not agree to send a Tully army north because it could be detrimental to the Lannisters in the long run, imo. He has changed yes, but he still primarily has Lannister interest in his heart.
Dawn probably isn’t relevant to the current story…
Jaynee D.: basically, Lf is pretty much responsible for this whole mess.
Littlefinger is most responsible, but Renly is second. If he had just accepted the fact that he was a younger brother, Westeros would be a united kingdom dealing with the threat of the White Walkers. Instead it is a chaotic mess.
ghost of winterfell,
Possible they will try to make it look like they escaped. Much like the Tyrion thing.
Also, regarding the Lannisters in the North, The Boltons are on Cerseis shit list after what LF told them. They don’t owe the Boltons anything – Currently the Lannisters have no stake in the North.
Jaime getting the Tullies out of their hair and north of the neck while keeping the Freys happy and the Lannister forces in looses is a smart move in the short term. In the long term who knows? There may not be a long term.
So episode 8 name confirmed?
ghost of winterfell: Not to mention, the Bolton are supposed to be Lannister allies.
Not anymore. Littlefinger ratted the Boltons out for “rescuing” Sansa and having Ramsay marry her. After that, Cersei pretty much cut all Lannister ties with the Boltons and gave Winterfell, the title of “Warden of the North,” and permission for the Vale army to march North to Littlefinger.
So as far as the Lannisters are concerned, the Boltons are on their own now. I can see Jaime thinking he’ll kill two birds with two stones by having BlackFish and the Tully army leave Riverrun (so the Freys can get Riverrun back with minimal bloodshed) and screwing the Boltons over at the same time. One of Jaime’s flaws is that he’s too impulsive, and he probably won’t stop to consider the long-term consequences of helping the Starks retake Winterfell (an unified North under the control of the Starks again is bad news for the Lannisters).
And I even like Stannis. But he’s no Uniter. If he was king there would be the same religious uprising, only 100 times worse because of his Red God.
Furthermore it’s quite unclear if Stannis would have take the NW warnings seriously if it hadn’t also been literally his only possible move. I’d like to think so but if he was running the kingdom I suspect he’d have other priorities.
The titles for E9 and E10 haven’t been officially confirmed yet. But considering “No One” turned out to be legit, it’s likely “Battle of the Bastards” and “Winds of Winter” are legit as well.
Like Varys, LF and Renly said. No one wanted Stannis as their king. (this is so going to anger/trigger some people!)
never mind
Jack Bauer 24: I think it would be sick if the final 2 scenes are Dany and crew heading for Westeros and then the Wall coming down.
My prediction for the final scenes of the season are a montage of Danny and Tyrion getting into the ships, sailing for Westeros with the Dragons flying overhead intercut with the White Walker Army breaching the magical wards of the Fallen Wall (or maybe just cracked, pending on the CGI budget.) We get a tagline of the sound of the vibrations of the Wall coming down reaching the battlements of Winterfell. It’s snowing heavily… Mel, Davos and Jon sit atop the battlements…Mel can sense that the magic wards of the Wall are breached…Either Davos or Jon ask Mel “What is that sound?” once they see Mel looking into the foggy distance. Mel says: “Winter” OR “The Winds of Winter”. End of season and we cut to credits…
The healing power of Jaime Lannister only works when he is away from Cersei. She drains the hotness from him. But now that he’s going to Riverrun, we should prepare ourselves. With liquor.
dude i got tingles feels reading that , i want more ! tell me how the next season episode gonna go after that 🙂 (sits on floor legs crossed head in hands looking up) . wait start from S6E7 🙂
Yeah but it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion those are legit too, given ep8.
Darren Prebble:
dudei got tingles feels reading that , i want more ! tell me how the next season episode gonna go after that (sits on floor legs crossed head in handslooking up) . wait start from S6E7
LOL.
Well, if it was up to me I would do a cold open of Nymeria’s pack roaming the woods and tracking down and killing some Freys…then cue opening credits for episode 7. Then, for CGI budget reasons we don’t see Nymeria again until Arya starts roaming the Riverlands again…
And I even like Stannis.But he’s no Uniter.If he was king there would be the same religious uprising, only 100 times worse because of his Red God.
Furthermore it’s quite unclear if Stannis would have take the NW warnings seriously if it hadn’t also been literally his only possible move.I’d like to think so but if he was running the kingdom I suspect he’d have other priorities.
The Starks were pro-Baratheon. The Tyrells were with Renly, so if he had followed his brother, they would have too. The Dornish had no problem with Stannis. The Ironborn had every reason to fear/respect him. The Vale would be pro-Baratheon, as would the Riverlands. Other than the Lannisters, who was against him, in the absence of Renly’s issues?
You seem to be contradicting yourself with the religious matters. Either he was a fanatic who would have taken Mel’s warnings about the North seriously, or he was not a fanatic, in which case he’d have been a good ruler. The “truth”, so much as there can be one in fiction, lies in the middle. He was not particularly fanatical, especially in the books where it is clear he is holding back a popular religious movement, not moving it forward, and there is nothing in either media to suggest he’d ignore warnings from the north if he were in reasonably firm control.
I snorted up my tea when TV-Varys said that the world needed “someone more gentle than Stannis”…and he was talking about a chick who crucified 163 people based on nothing more than their class, gender, and a suspicion of guilt! *facepalm*
Hahaha!!! Most of the traditional french historiography would want us to believe she was some kind of Cersei… I don’t believe that, she was more like an Olenna Tyrell (with some hints of a Cersei, undoubtedly).
Apollo: Yeah but it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion those are legit too, given ep8.
Presumably “Battle of the Bastards” was deemed too spoilery if released before ep 8 (or maybe just ep 7) plays out. At some point in the next two episodes it will become abundantly clear that a battle is looming, at which point the title will, like a conscientious doctor, do no harm.
The Boltons are in Cersei’s shit list for marrying and shielding Sansa. So it would be an odd thing to help Sansa because the Boltons are no longer allies. My feeling is Tully army is not going anywhere and it is only the Vale army which will come to the North’s rescue. Let’s see 🙂
Of late, Jared seems to be around more on the Sunday/Monday posts: either the open chat one or Sue’s recap. He was in Sue’s recap, I see. I thought I’d recalled him there. I’m not sure why he hasn’t had time for more, lately, but I know that there are times of the year I’m a lot busier than others, too.
Well, I know I always make a point of skipping your posts. 😉
Since my reread, I’ve thought the stone giants woken from the earth (when the Horn of Joramun was blown) refers to the Kings of Winter down in the Winterfell crypts.
HotPinkLipstick: I became a Ser Arthur fan after seeing him on screen. That man was smoking hot
I’ve always had a thing for the Daynes, but seeing who they cast for the show, well…everyday and twice on Sunday would just be the start.
I hadn’t thought about the horn, probably because I didn’t think of them as giants, but that would be awesome. I could see “giants” if described by the Children. And they are certainly stone. My theory comes mostly from the half dozen or so separate locations within the books (mostly GoT) where the stone kings in these crypts are described in animated terms, particularly the eyes of the stone kings following and watching whomever is down there at the time. These half dozen instances don’t even include Jon’s dreams, where the stone kings whisper to him and tell him that he’s not a Stark (in name, I presume).
What!? GOT fans have a life outside of WotW? How can that be? (looking around me – um yeah family is here, the house is here, ok good now where was I?) I do enjoy his posts, usually he says just what Im thinking much better than I could possibly do. Makes my posting easier
I’m SanSan to the core also. I think the show will eventually turn it into romantic between Sansa and Sandor. Arya is the means to an end. It’s impossible to ignore the book story, and I think that it will have impact on the story in general.
The show didn’t have Brienne mention just who that “man” that Arya was with was, because Sansa (and Jon) are out of context in the story in general and playing the role of Stannis Baratheon.
Perhaps GRRM has hidden a second, more literal, meaning to the description “the prince that was promised” which clearly points to Jon.
Assuming R+L=J (and who doesn’t believe that), Jon is a prince and Ned “promised” Lyanna to keep his identity secret.
I always found it odd that the term is “the prince that was promised” and not “the prince who was promised.” Apologies if this has been suggested before, but I read almost all the comments on this site and have never seen it mentioned.
Awwww…here I am, being my smart-ass self, even though I knew you’d know I was joking, and your response is so complimentary. *blushing*
I’ve taken “giants” to mean giants among men. Whatever it is that brings them “to life,” we seem to be on the same page in terms of thinking the Kings of Winter down in the crypts will rise, and for much the same reason. They just seem too…present…or as you put it, animated.
Greetings and salutations, Grand Maester of Gifs!!!
I hope you’re enjoying the season.
If the first 6 episodes are any indication, it shaping up to take the top spot as my favorite season, thus far!
I do! I just hadn’t much time to post, but I’m still reading comments from time to time. I don’t know if this season is my favorite, have to wait until the end to know that, but it’s certainly the one with the most WTF-monents for me, since we’re pretty much out of book material.
TheTouchofFrost: Lannisters still have one of the most powerful and well-equipped armies in Westeros.
Yeah, but no gold to pay them. Tywin told Cersei that their gold-mine stopped producing years ago, that they are in debt big-time to the Iron Bank. Mace seems to have a good relationship with the Iron Bank, but Cersei seems to have really messed up the Lannister/Tyrell relationship by her intense jealousy of Margaery. Wasn’t it mentioned somewhere in an episode with Varys about armies going to whomever has the gold? Even if that’s not how that bit played, it still makes sense that if you can’t pay an army, the army will leave – either that, or savage the lands it was meant to protect.
Dark Lark: I’m SanSan to the core also. I think the show will eventually turn it into romantic between Sansa and Sandor. Arya is the means to an end. It’s impossible to ignore the book story, and I think that it will have impact on the story in general.
I agree, I just love their story. And D&D said there’s more to come, and it’s a good thing he’s taller than her and all. And it’s definitely romantic, it’s based on Beauty and the Beast on the show, too. I am so happy that Sandor is returning, I think they are saving the best for last, and Sansa will find some happiness in the end with Sandor.
Arya looks like Ned Stark in these photos .. LOL
I think I’m commenter #2,478 or so, but I was comparing the photos taken last year of Maisie Williams’ filming
the Braavos chase scenes. She’s shown wearing the outfit shown in these photos when she’s in the water (in Northern Ireland). In the shots of her running from the Waif, however, (filmed in Spain) she’s wearing a loose gray shirt. The Waif looks predictably “Waify,” but she’s brandishing a bloody knife. Whose blood is it?
As Episode 8’s title appears to have been confirmed as “No One” and as Mark Mylod is the director, could we be seeing Arya’s Waif confrontation (and/or her [insert fingers-crossed emoji here] escape from Braavos in Episodes 7 and 8?
Sue: Sorry about not using spoiler coding for the Maisie filming comments. WotW published shots from Northern Ireland, but I wasn’t sure about Girona.
Good generals rarely make good leaders of state! But Stannis’ total lack of empathy for other people and his moral absolutism would make for a horrific king.
Mihnea: Like Varys, LF and Renly said. No one wanted Stannis as their king. (this is so going to anger/trigger some people!)
Given how many people rallied to Renly, this is pretty clear. After Robert and Aerys (and given that many people clearly had worked out what Joffery would be like), people wanted a competent king. For all of his flamboyance, Renly seems to have been someone who gave a damn about other people. A person who takes the time to spare one ugly girl further humiliation is the sort of person you want to have executive powers.
Darkrobin: to intersect Arya’s, assuming she makes landfall in Westeros somewhere in the Riverlands?
My bet is that Arya’s role in the Riverlands will be similar to what she does there in Winds of Winter rather than something that someone else did in Crows. And that means: I don’t know! Something about sides, I would think. I had hoped that it would involve Nymmeria, but at this point I would be surprised if it did. If nothing else, then they should have hung the Warg gun on the Wall at some point this year already.
Ginevra:
I give up. You’ll never know Parts 3 and 4.Alas.
Interesting theory! Although we probably won’t see this on the show, we still have the books to look forward to for some tinfoil. And let’s not forget about the
And it’s definitely romantic, it’s based on Beauty and the Beast on the show, too. I am so happy that Sandor is returning, I think they are saving the best for last, and Sansa will find some happiness in the end with Sandor.
Its based on B&B really? Never read that. I do think that at this point the last thing Sansa wants is a relationship with anyone let alone Sandor. Suspect she will find happiness without one actually. What I think might happen is that they connect in some way, and perhaps he becomes someone she feels she can trust. She does need that in her life.
And it’s definitely romantic, it’s based on Beauty and the Beast on the show, too. I am so happy that Sandor is returning, I think they are saving the best for last, and Sansa will find some happiness in the end with Sandor.
Its based on B&B really? Never read that. I do think that at this point the last thing Sansa wants is a relationship with anyone let alone Sandor.Suspect she will find happiness without one actually.What I think might happen is that they connect in some way, and perhaps he becomes someone she feels she can trust.She does need that in her life.
Wasn’t GRRM a screenwriter for Beauty and the Beast? That would certainly be an interesting twist…
Mag: I like the Tarly’s blade Heartsbane. Why didn’t the show take the same effort with Dawn???
What major character is associated with Dawn? This is about Sam, not a sword.
Not related to any of the photos, but insead the synopsis.
Has anyone considered Qyburn as the HS’ new target? He’s been involved in things they may not agree with…
A recurring theme I am noticing here is that Sansa is gaining Stark balls and Arya is becoming a more tame direwolf?
Any thoughts on this?
sounds good lol thanks for sharing that image .
I think Cersei’s wearing her “I choose violence.” dress in that picture…and FrankenMountain’s standing right next to her in that shot.
Hoo, boy…
ok so i spent 12 hrs on trying to work out whats going to happen to Arya . i ended up writing out what will happen starting from breaking down the last episode we got at how they played it out to be misleading because of lack of detail on the many face god(TMFG) rules ,i did bit of searching on wika i think it detail from all the books . and i cut and paste some where i got info ,like rule of the gods and stuff.
im afraid im no writer i never read books ,and look out grammar correcting people u have ball go easy. it was weird as i was reading info, i could see how her storyline was gonna happen. it hit me like lightning ,just parts at first almost like image bran see it took time to make sense of them (12 hrs ). but weird part is when i got her to westeros , it started bringing 2 other hypes with one altered big shock kind way(huge way ,it will ruin GOT for ppl who don’t want to know what really happens ).
the two hypes Cleganebowl , but in a BIG different way. and Lady Stone Heart. now Cleganebowl i only ever just look to see what meant and didn’t think about it like big deal or real, and LSH i only read she comes back in books and that might not happen so i left it at that. [spoiler]
lol hope spoiler thing worked . and can i post something like that on here ? ill wait til someone says yes beforei don’t want trouble but i want my theory out there before next episode airs lol . ps still haven’t slept yet
yes for Sansa , but for Arya i think her story is REALLY take off in the next few episodes.
she going to become a servant of the many face god and serve him in westeros . she is not only going to take out all her list but way way more people. red eye blue eyes green eyes and she will shut them all ,and they will meet again (red priestess and Arya). those faceless men scare the sh*t out of those guys when they were picking on Arya, and she says turn around and walk away ,nothing worth nothing to dead men. then black guy pops up they run instant , because faceless men rules /law basically say they can make a gift for the many face god with the death of someone who causing suffering to others.
again i hope i did that spoiler thing right 😛
But why did she introduce herself to the actress as “Mercy”…… I think that might have changed my mind a little about where/what direction she is going. Yes, I think she will use Needle but maybe not in a vengeful way? Not completely sure at this point and I’ve not read the books, although at this point I dont think the books may tell me more of the direction she is headed.
A recurring theme I am noticing here is that Sansa is gaining Stark balls and Arya is becoming a more tame direwolf?
Any thoughts on this?
I can definitely see where you’re coming from, although that’s not how I’d phrase their arcs. Both Sansa and Arya still have their same respective needlework, with Sansa’s embroidery and Arya’s sword. So Sansa is still Lady Sansa and Arya is still very much the tomboy she was when our story started.
Sansa is reacting to and recovering from severe trauma, so her personality pendulum has swung from meek and timid to assertive and aggressive. As she recovers, I expect the pendulum to land in between the two. Always the lady, every Lady Sansa, she will be a bit more progressive than the southern ladies, I expect, but that will help her to fit in up in the North.
Your father taught you to hunt? Our father would never teach us. I think our father could learn a thing or two from your father.
Arya’s trauma started long ago, and she’s coming to the end of her stages of grief and recovery. “Tame” might imply that we could reach out and pet Arya, and I wouldn’t recommend petting an even partially-trained assassin. But Arya is certainly calmer, more resolute, and rational in her plans and in her person. Her list has been trimmed down to two Hitlers and a Frankenstein Monster. I’m okay with her offing all three.
Brienne of my Heart:
But why did she introduce herself to the actress as “Mercy”…… I think that might have changed my mind a little about where/what direction she is going.Yes, I think she will use Needle but maybe not in a vengeful way? Not completely sure at this point and I’ve not read the books, although at this point I dont think the books may tell me more of the direction she is headed.
She has mercy for Lady Crane, an innocent and delightful woman who is one of only a handful of people to have shown kindness to Arya in years. That isn’t the same as showing mercy to those who brutally slaughtered her family after giving them guest rights. Some deserve mercy. Some deserve justice.
Shouldn’t they have to convince Dany of their trustworthiness first? The Ironborn are known for their rebeliousness, whilst Tyrion and Varys are aware of Theon’s treachery against the Starks who treated him as a member of their family despite him being a ward. Yara will have her hands full in their upcoming meeting.
Not really. Dany came to know it was Varys and his little birds(at the orders of Robert Baratheon), who tried to kill her when Kal Drogo was still alive. She also knows it is Tyrion’s elder brother who betrayed and killed her father. Yet she and her council were easily convinced that these two men had her best interests in their heart with just few conversations within 1 or 2 episodes in season 5.
Looks like it is very easy to convince Dany by anyone that they are her friends. Shouldn’t take Yara and Reek more than 1 episode to convince Dany to side with them.
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
Characters in this show can return without serving a compelling plot point… As seen by the reappearance and subsequent death of Osha. There was no point in bringing her character back after 3 seasons and then kill her less than 5 minutes later.
i didn’t have that in my theory , but now that mention it . its a clue/hint that in the faceless men belief/ rules/ guideline, one that state a faceless man can refuse to complete a contract they taken (this im getting from wika that it’s in book somewhere).
The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service. In their at times inscrutable beliefs, they feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected – the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. The Faceless Men practice extreme self-abnegation, each devotee believing that they are “no one”, with no personal desires, and living only to serve the Many-Faced God.[5][6] Faceless Men are also frequently quote the High Valyrian phrases “valar morghulis” (“all men must die [sooner or later]”) and “valar dohaeris” (“all men must serve”) and this bit info is important too .The Faceless Men believe that they only help bring death to targets of the Many-Faced God – they do not choose the targets themselves for personal reasons such as revenge, they only kill the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. However, the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due.
from the above info i thought maybe Arya name is mercy for the reason she has mercy on that life , and chooses not to take it . or that it links to the rule if one feels like its against there religion (in this case the mother from the light of the 7 ) and so its how she doesn’t have to complete contract , she feel the mother mercy flow out of her telling her not to kill this life . i hope that makes sense im gonna post my theory for her story line soon u can read more 🙂 .
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this is story line for Arya and those path she crosses . in much detail i could give as it would play out on tv. in the ( ) the 1/ and 2 / are 1 how i change its interpreted and the 2/ is how the show plays it or how i saw it when i watched it first time
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Arya hasn’t done anything wrong to upset the many face god to have her killed.she accepted a contract and then chose not to kill . The Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs.
(scene where girl waif tells Jaqen H’ghar Arya didn’t do the contract)
Jaqen hear girl waif walk in and says to her and ? the waif girl said to a man (Jaqen H’ghar). as i expected (didn’t kill and so failed to complete contract ).A man stares/pauses for a seconds (1/ he knows she just lied or not telling the full story or 2/ just thinking shame she has to die now, like he about to say )then replies shame( 2/ not knowing she had a reason ,a reason that lets her refuse the contract) she had many gifts( 2/meaning people on her list to offer to the many face god as gifts or 1/ he talking about the girl waif gifts going to waste now ).waif girl says u promised me (im guessing they had this kinda chat .if she ever fails( Arya was on her last chance) she get to be the one to kill her) A man takes even longer stare /pause (1/ he looks not amuse like first u lied now u pushing wanting something when u not meant to want stuff or 2/ minds little slow at remembering the promise) and nods( 1/ he nods upwards like not acknowledging/agrees what she said about promising her anything ,but agreeing to he own thought Arya will serve her punishment , or 2/ an upwards nod is no different from a downwards one like the waif dose next and agree with the waif ) ( 1/ is cool coz Arya basically ask for the Girl waif name to add onto her list when she says to her what name would u like a girl to speak 🙂 . ) and says don’t let her suffer. the waif girl nods ( a downwards nod agrees to do it painlessly as can) turns and starts to walk with an evil grin like she gonna cause heap pain and enjoy it(which is a big no no as u will find out further down a list why) and Jaqen turns back to cutting a face off (he kinda looks like he not impressed like he heard another lie maybe)
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if she can kill Arya then a death has paid for life that was meant to be taken and punishment served ( 2/ that what the waif girl thinks or what she told Jaqen so he thinks all even. lacking all details , only hearing one side of the story which turns out to be wrong).
1/ and 2/ if the waif has the upper hand and starts to make her suffer i think Jaqen could jump in kill the one who causes suffering . but i think Arya gonna use her skills that she learned, and tip fight in her favor, fighting without being able to see.She gonna wait in the dark or if spotted outside start a chase and lure her into where she set up camp.which looks to be dark underground room and grab a needle and play stab in the dark :).
2/Once Jaqen H’ghar hears Arya side,( i doubt he would kill without hearing her out if she started to talk) he won’t kill her, he will promote her to a servant of death(or assassin of death for the old gods in Westeros .) , show her how to use/change many faces from the faces inside house of black and white ( TMFG collection) without needing to walk in there and get them, no need to carry heap dead people face masks in a bag, Training over .
Waif girl had to die!punishment for failing many face god (1)in asking for a target,(2) wanting to make her suffer ,bad motive for doing it (3) she lied by holding details on what happened . break T.M.F.G rules and its death (she didn’t save Jaqen life like Arya, he no like her enough to waste a body ) .i’d say she probably
use her 1st chance when she first started training, but i think she above training level so no chances.
only death can pay for life ,as we learned when Arya was meant to kill the Thin man on the docks, but she got distracted and killed Sir Meryn Trant. With revenge as motive instead of killing him as a gift for the many face god for causing suffering to the girls/others, this is how she stole from the many face god(she also did steal a face too, but i think the chance are for like killing wrong and that miner thing just lecture why not to, ),.a man decides to give her a 2nd chance(maybe being at new student level u get 2nd chance) and so a man (Jaqen H’gar ) body dies in place of Meryn Trant, the debt must be paid(nice guy picking up her tab lol). cool scene Arya freaks oh no don’t die, he’s gone. lucky Jaqen had given his face/everything that makes him, to the many face god to serve . so he just gets put on another servant body(perks of being waif), which is the other waif standing behind her, and she goes onto another servant somewhere else in temple(from the way she act around Jaqen i’d say she a low level new waif ,knows the basic law/rules on serving but not sure if she been one long enough not to slip up/make mistake/break rules. to get to Jaqen H’ghar rank servant wise).
oh the punishment for stealing the face is a lessen. being temp blinded ,its also makes good for training the senses and also ups the test challenge playing the game of faces, if tell me your name a man will give a girls eye’s back. if a girl is no one then she doesn’t needs eyes, she passed proves she will be no one and gets her eyes back .
. A girl/no one/Death’s servants of the many face god should not want to cause suffering , the waif girl failed
(this is cut/paste guessing from book i got off wikia which help lead me to most my thoughts.
The servants feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected – the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. gifts to the many face god, and The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service The Faceless Men practice extreme self-abnegation, each devotee believing that they are “no one”, with no personal desires, and living only to serve the Many-Faced God.
So now trained she will serve the many face god by going back to Westeros serving there,killing people on her list that are still alive that are causing suffering to others still, will be made into Gifts to the many face god (Cersei always causing suffering lol and rest)
more facts well maybe facts lol
they only kill the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. However, the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due: sometimes, if a powerful lord asks them to kill the child of one of his enemies, the Faceless Men give as their “price” that in return they will kill the lord’s own child (the lord can reject this, but it also means rejecting the entire contract). Daenerys was a princess and royal heir, so understandably a contract on her life would have been expensive – but at other times the Faceless Men might set an exorbitant price for an assassination contract, based on their own beliefs about how “important” the target is: a poor widow who wants to kill a wealthy insurance salesman that defrauded her will only be charged a modest sum she can afford, but a nobleman who wants to kill his own brother simply out of greed because he stands ahead of him in line of succession will probably be charged much more.
ok so now Arya back or heading back to Westeros.
Mountain is like cold hands :
Qyburn learned of dark things becoming a Maester , ways like how Craster’s serves the white walkers ,way to prepare/offer a man close to death to the white walkers and when he dies and bring there power to turn the body. then Qyburn also learned he can stick a blade of dragon glass into his chest it will stop the turning and makes him a slave to the one who turned did it . Qyburn commands him not to talk about what happen to him. so mountain is a walking zombie puppet for Qyburn who told him to do what ever Cersei ask , this all happens way down south where the old gods have no eye’s trees cut down. but the 7 pointed star watches over that area/group people. when the faith call for a champion or opportunity to volunteer to go against Cersei Mountain ,people laugh at the idea to fight him freely, after the laughter from Lannisters and few in crowd stops Arya with the face and body of the Hound, ( Cleganebowl !! ), who she left his fate to the gods and i guess the many face god took him , he was asking for death and because he help Arya and stop few bad people causing suffering to others , in a way he was acting same as servants of the many face god ,so when he asking for death ,death answers the gift is death and in return you give your eyes/face/body everything that makes you ,you . so death servants can use. The fight looks even match but Arya/hound will win , because before she goes there for that she of course goes and see family ends up getting given Brienne of Tarth Valyrian steel sword (maybe that whole lady stone-heart theory is true and Brienne gets Sansa to her first then when Arya shows up and Sansa/Arya/Catelyn together her oath is filled and gives the gift VS sword to Arya.) Arya gets a hit through the mountain armor and he shatters into little bits like white walkers do when killed , EVERYBODY watching the trial by combat jaws drop first time they seen that shit…. now Arya or who every follows her up to kings landing most likely warns the king and the faith that the white walker threat is real and that the nights watch NEED’s all to help. guessing the season over ends here or just after………….
it’s nice thought that the hound in some way/form beats his brother…….
ok so Mountain dead mean Cersei dies by law of gods and men. Jamie Pissed and sad but he has changed over the seasons slowly and seeing Riverrun stark reunion changes a man lol (mainly the dead cat walking ) so doesn’t seek vengeance/revenge ..
i did the spoiles thing a different way each msg i don’t remember what one i did that u said work lol
No comment per se, but wanted you to know that I am really enjoying your posts. Well written, obviously based on reading and watching you’ve done, and interesting as well. Stick around 🙂
spoiler code: [ spoiler ] text [ /spoiler] remove all spaces!!!!
means a lot to read that thank you. (even if its sarcasm, i can’t tell lol ) because my confidence level is low. with the spoiler thing so i leave the / in the last one just no spaces ? thanks again 7 blessing to you
Josh L: It’s been a while since I watched that scene, but Mel basically says something to Selyse about her being so devout that she can see pass the magic.
Here’s the scene at YouTube if you want to rewatch it.
i went to go watch this on my copy because from memory it sounds like you are right .I love how a lot of episodes change how you see/hear things in the episode that come before them. like at the end of each season you go watch all season again to fill the void between the next new season release date lol. anyway going back i was looking for the scene you posted and i stop on the scene where Arya and the hound run into the old guy who had been wounded . and having the info i learn about the many face god ways of living/rules .
( The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service. In their at times inscrutable beliefs, they feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected )
what jumps out at me is Mercy (name Arya uses in last episode) and in that scene hound acts like he is a many face god servant. both hound and Arya are really blank emotions ,as if they were no one 🙂 . its the things that the hound does after meeting Arya on there travels. his actions i think lead to where when he is crying out to be killed when Arya leaves him , i think the many face god answers him and takes his face /eyes /nose /everything that’s him, for gift of death, and that Arya will be played by the hound pretending to be the hound using his appearance and this is how cleganebowl will happen. one my new post before i replied to u now has theory using this .It also says the mountain is same as coldhands and bit detail on how he gets made south wall.and his death is hod south ppl have to believe in white walker threat.
i love it but that could just be because i made it
don’t mind me i’ll just keep the post flowing myself during the darkest hrs of the nights ( almost 5 am ) so i thought i share a comment i made on a facebook post that a lot seemed to like. it was a picture of uncle Benjen with txt on it saying so anything happen while i was gone , how Ned ? 🙂 i like it and it made me write this comment .. . love it . but im waiting for his conversation with Jon .benjen and Jon reunion , Jon goes uncle Benjen been long time i knew u weren’t dead , Benjen replies i did die but im back , Jon replies i died too and smiles. . Benjen like i got killed by a large ice sword wielding White walker, Jon’s face saddens as he says i got stab by an old man and a little boy. Benjen laughs well we can’t all have cool deaths now can we. then Jon like well my revival was awesome ,a hot priestess serving the lord of light gave me a sponge bath and haircut. Benjen smiles you got me there ,i started to turn into a wight but had a dagger pushed into my heart by wierd little tree looking kids who worship the old god , no sponge bath. Jon smiles, then Benjen say but then again,what u don’t know is that women is really that old that she could be your grandmother as he tells Jon this he slaps him on the back and starts holding his belly as he lets out a mighty laugh in victory
but im waiting for his conversation with Jon .benjen and Jon reunion , Jon goes uncle Benjen been long time i knew u weren’t dead , Benjen replies i did die but im back , Jon replies i died too and smiles. . Benjen like i got killed by a large ice sword wielding White walker, Jon’s face saddens as he says i got stab by an old man and a little boy. Benjen laughs well we can’t all have cool deaths now can we. then Jon like well my revival was awesome ,a hot priestess serving the lord of light gave me a sponge bath and haircut. Benjen smiles you got me there ,i started to turn into a wight but had a dagger pushed into my heart by wierd little tree looking kids who worship the old god , no sponge bath. Jon smiles, then Benjen say but then again,what u don’t know is that women is really that old that she could be your grandmother as he tells Jon this he slaps him on the back and starts holding his belly as he lets out a mighty laugh in victory
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I really really want to see this scene happen!
Hi guys here another thought that has crawled out of my crazy mind( im bored ) over something mentions twice in tv show between season 1 and season 4 i think it was .
Robb Stark: “One time she told me the sky is blue because we live inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant named ‘Macumber’.”
Bran Stark: “…maybe we do.”
i thought about how the many face god is just icon to represent death for all religions (meaning all same thing ). then i thinking what if there is really only one god and he name is Macumber
so i started to try and think other ways the words could mean.
the sky(world) is blue(makes me think sunny day/good/good crops/balanced/good times) because we live inside the eye(live by his ruling ) of a blue(good)-eyed (foresighted)giant(larger then man figure ) named ‘Macumber’.” have no clue how to turn the name into anyone in the show lol so must be his name. omg of course there a way ,same way Hold the door gets turn into hodor(RIP til bran gets u to stab yourself in chest with dragon glass in pocket ). just need all you good people to try figure what breaks down into Macumber ………
. so put it together i think it translates to :The world is good because we live and are ruled by a good foresighted Figure named Macumber.
,maybe name of a past blood raven the first to start everything changing towards a better future . and the children of the forest told first man about how this giant blood raven started to do great things to help all and keep balance in the world. and the deeds get passed on and the story changes each time mention, and over the years to be How Robb said it 🙂
so is it a real god or a old kind blood raven giant from long ago who deeds faded into fairy-tails or just fairytails or is it hodor my gentle blue eyed giant 🙂
also got something to make ya think for who ever reads this . Ned gets Arya dancing master an man name syrio forel from Bravos. Bravos people serve the many face god. now im thinking . he gives his life for Arya to escape, then again this time a man name is Jaqen H’ghar who help . im thinking what ever Ned mumbled just before they take his head was him saying he serve to his gods and he thoughts on seeing Arya in the crowd wanting her to be safe to get away or hopes she can look after herself. and the gods answer and use there servants of death to teach her there ways. which every word Jaqen says to her is a lesson in ways the many face god works. syrio teaches her ever hurt is a lesson learned , preparing her for a lot of hurts.
the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due: sometimes, if a powerful lord asks them to kill the child of one of his enemies, the Faceless Men give as their “price” that in return they will kill the lord’s own child (the lord can reject this, but it also means rejecting the entire contract). Daenerys was a princess and royal heir, so understandably a contract on her life would have been expensive – but at other times the Faceless Men might set an exorbitant price for an assassination contract, based on their own beliefs about how “important” the target is: a poor widow who wants to kill a wealthy insurance salesman that defrauded her will only be charged a modest sum she can afford, but a nobleman who wants to kill his own brother simply out of greed because he stands ahead of him in line of succession will probably be charged much more.
reason i cut paste that big chunk txt is for one point, that if ned did ask gods to teach and look after her before he beheading and the side of death for the ones ned served the old gods (which is part of the many face god) ,the servants of the many face god could choose price of nothing if they fell its something there god wants , thats if they even charge to teach/let ppl join which prob wouldn’t . so ned just ask for Arya be offered the choice to join the many face god and give the coin for when she ready . ha ha stupid crazy thoughts.
well the slow clap like a praise but sarcastic . so when i read what you wrote i think what u really saying is opposite . most my thoughts are completely nuts/far stretched ideas that somehow makes sense to me in some way and i have trouble getting it across to others. yeah would be funny if i got some part of the joke they put in right if Benjen every meets Jon 🙂
Anybody else noticed that the dress cersei is wearing in this image is the same as the ‘i choose Violence’ moment in the trailer? And the part where tommen and cersei are walking towards each other?
Cersei has been wearing that same dress since Myrcella died. Nevertheless, because the summary has ‘High Sparrow eyes a new target’, we may get the ‘I choose violence scene’ in ep 7.
Jonathon Pryce (High Sparrow) said in an interview that he has got a long scene in episode 7 where things don’t go as he planned.
What great insight. Very refreshing.
I have a tendency to forget their complicated history that has shaped their personalities. I think if I begin to read the books it may reinforce what I’ve watched on tv. I may even need tor back and watch some of the earlier seasons.
When I read some of these posts iret reminds me of my literature classes where we would dissect a story and find so much more than and written word. So true is with this show. Very complex and stimulates intelligent coversation.
Thanks again for your insight.
Littlefinger's Middlefinger: Lannister armor (as opposed to the kingsguard armor) is a good look for Jaime! I know we’re excited for a Jaime/ Brienne reunion, but they’re going to be on opposite teams this time :(.
If Jaime is packing Widows’ Wail (can’t tell from the photos), it would be cool if he and Brienne face off with the two parts of Ice.
Lord Farstark: I think Cersei’s wearing her “I choose violence.”
Yes, this is probably even more important than the “little black dress” for most women’s wardrobe….
When I read some of these posts iret reminds me of my literature classes where we would dissect a story and find so much more than and written word. So true is with this show. Very complex and stimulates intelligent coversation.
That is indeed what keeps me coming back here BTW reading the books is a very good idea, just be aware that what you will be reading will be different in some ways to what you have been watching, but I think seeing the similarties and differences will bring even more insights. And I have found that rewatching the seasons has helped greatly in recalling and putting the puzzle togetherw. Finally, go to the top and click the link to GOT 50, which summarizes each episode through season 5, and then gives you the commentary of the fans here. I found it very helpful esp going in to this season. Now its time for bed, and when I waken we’ll be that much closer to the episode!
Connor:
Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
LyannaBanna
if anyone has Widows Wail it is Tommen…it was made for Joffrey and much to small for Jamie
selena: LyannaBanna
if anyone has Widows Wail it is Tommen…it was made for Joffrey and much to small for Jamie
I thought Widow’s Wail was the same size as Oathbreaker: two shortswords made from one longsword.
i just had another thought(oh no lookout ) what if the waif kills Arya making her a gift to the many face god, and becoming a gift for him means her eyes/nose/everthing is available to be used like Jaqen. he can drink poison and die and show up on another body in that room . so waif girl kills Arya, and Arya goes onto the the waif girl body .
G,R,R,M did say the ending would be bitter sweet . people have to die to be resurrected and come back fighting for good/god. just like Jon and just like
Lady stone heart ,i think i still don’t know full story behind her just that she kills ppl ,
Bran didn’t die but the Blood raven did for bran to become who he is . sansa well she died on the inside from all shit that fallen on her to be who she is lol .and Rickon i have know idea might get revived by red women as i would say if bolton kills him it would be right in front of Jon and/or Sansa .
I remember in that season’s opener when they melted ice down – the two sword molds were different sizes.
Chad Brick: You seem to be contradicting yourself with the religious matters. Either he was a fanatic who would have taken Mel’s warnings about the North seriously, or he was not a fanatic, in which case he’d have been a good ruler. The “truth”, so much as there can be one in fiction, lies in the middle. He was not particularly fanatical, especially in the books where it is clear he is holding back a popular religious movement, not moving it forward, and there is nothing in either media to suggest he’d ignore warnings from the north if he were in reasonably firm control.
I’m not contradicting myself. I agree that he lies somewhere in the middle.
However, I do think that (Show Stannis) believes in the Red God. He’s not fanatical, but he definitely believes in his power and that he is real. In his mind, the Seven are charlatan gods and R’hllor is the true god. I don’t think that makes him fanatical, because he is only believing what he has seen with his own eyes. The seven have no power as far as he has witnessed but R’hllor does. Stannis is someone who will not give up on something if he thinks it’s right. Thusly, he will not give up on the Red God. He will remove the HIgh Septon from his traditional place close to the crown and instead appoint Melisandre High Priestess of R’hllor his religious adviser. Anything else would be, to him, dishonest.
Meanwhile, he will be very busy trying to unite the realm after Blackwater. As a result, he will not have time to consider whispers from the North about White Walkers (and snarks and Grumpkins) being back. I don’t think this makes him stupid, or a bad person, or a fanatic. I think it makes him a human being. Tyrion after all did this exact thing in the books.
Stannis is likely to want (really – need – to have a hold on the country) to punish those who caused his brothers’ death, or who are “abominations” who usurped his position. That means Cersei, Jaime, Tommen, and Myrcella will all be executed at the very least. The part of the realm that believes in twincest will maybe applaud him for this, but there will always be some that say isn’t it just a bit convenient for Stannis that Tommen are Myrcella are secret Jaime Lannister bastards? This is going to make him unpopular with many. Child murder is generally not looked upon kindly. Maybe he’d banish Tommen / Myrcella instead but that has its own dangers. The Tyrells will never love him, and if the rumors about him assassinating Renly with blood magic got around, that would be looked upon very unkindly. Especially since by this point the High Septon would be supplanted by the Red Priestess. The Starks would make peace with him but they have no love for him and would return to the North. They don’t care what god the Southrons worship.
Darren Prebble:
i just had another thought(oh no lookout ) what if the waif kills Aryamaking her a gift to the many face god, and becoming a gift for him means her eyes/nose/everthingis availableto be used likeJaqen.he can drink poison and die and show up on another bodyin that room . so waif girl kills Arya, and Arya goes onto the the waif girl body .G,R,R,M did say the ending would be bitter sweet . people have to die to be resurrected and come back fighting for good/god. just like Jon and just like
Bran didn’t die but the Blood raven did for bran to become who he is . sansa well she died on the inside from all shit that fallen on her to be who she is lol .and Rickon i have know idea might get revived by red women as i would say if bolton kills him it would be right in front of Jon and/or Sansa .
edited(i don’t know how to change my original post lol ) after hearing a mention of someone drinking a abortion tea in starks history, i think Sansa bolton baby abortion death is what really changes her into what ever figure she gonna be in the end. thats her transformation complete
GUYS I HAVE SOLVED THE WHITE WALKERS HISTORY!!!!!
what we know of them from show :
1)they were made by children of the forest to kill man (thats what we think yeah ?)
2)they stop killing man around time peace was made between man and children of the forest
3) there back unknown why
ok so here what i think
white walkers awoke again because of all the injustice in the lands. they were created by the children of the forest using there gods power/gifts to bring justice to are the injustice first men brought onto them . after many years the children made peace with man if they follow there gods and be just . man agreed .so the white walker threat was gone ,the world was just/balanced . but then more people came over to westeros and there beliefs are not just going by the old gods so the white walkers are reactivated to once again spread across the land and bring justice .turns out they really only kill those who done wrong and or don’t follow the old gods .if you follow the old gods and do wrong then u be punished and white walkers only see good or evil if u need to be punished its death is no lighter punishment. Sam had done nothing wrong in eye of the old gods this is why when Sam first see them when he behind the rock the white walker looks and ignores him
i like what grrm said how he like to write in a way that rewards people re reading . i love re watching the old seasons and knowing the secrets of characters from the new seasons ,i be like awe i see what you did there . totally changes how you view the conversations . what if Vary has a gift like warg and when he says he little birds he really does mean little birds, he wargs into to hear secrets. and that he only keeps a few kids around as cover lol .thinking of old scenes with varys makes a few very funny like awe i see what u did there . it also might explain why the sorcerer was interested in him in the first place and why he could hear the voice bam !
So of all those 85,000 Wildlings at Hardhome (Who worship the Old Gods) every one of them was a bad person? What about Hodor? The Three Eyed Raven? Benjen? I highly doubt the Walkers motivations are noble, at least on human standards.
good answer . my answer to what u said can be found in answer i gave to a guy who ask why they kill children of the forest then , when i also posted i on facebook so ill just cut past that chat. Why did they also attack and kill the children of the forrest? Answer : well the obvious answer is because they attack first throwing there bombs and interrupting them from carrying out justice of the old god, or orders of the one in charge of carrying out old gods justice night king
little later on :maybe the night king is to Bran as Jaqen is to Arya . and wants to convince bran to serve the old gods same way he does , instead of serving as blood raven way. he stops bran’s training in learning to serve as a blood raven. basically 1 god two sections 1 serves by serving justice other serves by small changes in time., both wanting bran to serve there way. but bran as a kinder person wants to choose to serve as blood raven
lol its not in there can’t find it must of just thought it so here it is : Valar morghulis and valar dohaeris .all men must serve god good or evil and all men must die good or evil . if u good u die to serve god in killing the wicked in gods eyes its not a punishment . its only a punishment to those who bad . its 4 :38 am don’t push my mind too hard lol
also make a funny joke when after hardhome scene the night king raises his arms as to say why you fighting me bro we on the same side lmfao
it does all fit in theory yeah ? i kinda feel like i became no one and then change into G,R,R,M lol
also there was a diner party where G,R,R,M was and a women ask if the others are pure evil or some else, he said she have to wait ,i think he means,she will wait and find out there not evil but doing what there were created for not evil but to serve justice :P.
oh i found the edit button 🙂 also i think the mountain is made same way but Qyburn made him to serve him and Cersei . queue shocking music dun dun dun DUN. so he made for Cersei ,and other made for old god.
this is to follow other stuff already said . so if u stab someone with dragon glass with intentions to make a servant for someone or yourself , that’s what u get. the children made them for old god , and in that being all religion is one god , the whites took from the many face god religion beliefs all men must serve in serving the god. ok now the mountain Qyburn made him with the intentions to make a servant for Cersei .which is why Qybrun says he won’t rest til all her graces enemies are destroyed ..queue shock music .qyburn lost his chains for dark experiments researching this :). the reason the white walkers stop years ago was men change there religion to old god same as what white walkers serve, so war stop because back then all of westeros was either first man or children of the forest .
Imagine if Yara & Theon go to Bravos on their travels and Arya sees him. Does she even know what he has done? That would be great to see.
that’s a cool thought , Arya would run up and hug him . theon would act weird by the hug and Arya will know something up . since she has become really good at putting herself into another person shoes like when she tell actress how Cersei would act to sons death . all this would happen after Arya if fully into service of the many face god. so she might be able to see what a man life has been and at first she almost starts to get mad sensing what he did but her full devotion is to the many face god now and no one gets angry. so it turns out to be nice reunion. Theon fills her in on what he know has happen in westeros , and that Sansa is with Jon safe and Arya goes home to see them . im guessing theon and sister give her a ship to get home and when they make that offer Arya says valar dohaeris .:)
Darren Prebble: o if u stab someone with dragon glass with intentions to make a servant for someone or yourself , that’s what u get.
Well, chances are pretty good that some major magic is involved. Otherwise, sticking someone with obsidian is just going to hurt them. (Stone-age cultures would use obsidian for arrow heads, for example.)
QueenofThrones: However, I do think that (Show Stannis) believes in the Red God.
I think that both Book!Stannis and Show!Stannis accept that the Red God is real: although I also think that neither of them is particularly impressed or thrilled with the idea.
However, Stannis’ moral absolutism does not stem from religion. It stems from the code of honor among Westerosi nobility. I think that the mistake is to assume that morality=religious beliefs, and while it is true that all religions create moralities, it is false to say that all moralities are created by religions. That is part of the struggle between the High Sparrow and the Lannister’s and Tyrells: the HS claims that nobody is above the morality of his church, and the nobility feels that their code of honor comes before the religious beliefs of the church.
But this is why I agree that Stannis would have made an awful king. He is a moral absolutist, and it does not matter whence your morality comes: if you adhere to in absolutely, then you will do many unethical things. And Stannis is a very unethical person because of his morality.
i hope it is true , works with my other thought, i don’t know if u seen or if i posted here that if the mountain is like white walker then Arya gonna be take hounds body and kill him and he will shatters like white walker and that’s how king landing finds out about stuff beyond the wall the treat that’s coming.
so Arya has to die to become a faceless man/girl bitter sweet grrm
im still hoping the hound dies serving out god like justice so arya can use him and kill mountain .maybe crazy
lady stone heart kills him or her band of guys
Darren Prebble:
i just had another thought(oh no lookout ) what if the waif kills Aryamaking her a gift to the many face god, and becoming a gift for him means her eyes/nose/everthingis availableto be used likeJaqen.he can drink poison and die and show up on another bodyin that room . so waif girl kills Arya, and Arya goes onto the the waif girl body .G,R,R,M did say the ending would be bitter sweet . people have to die to be resurrected and come back fighting for good/god. just like Jon and just like
Bran didn’t die but the Blood raven did for bran to become who he is . sansa well she died on the inside from all shit that fallen on her to be who she is lol .and Rickon i have know idea might get revived by red women as i would say if bolton kills him it would be right in front of Jon and/or Sansa .
wasn’t off on arya lol . i think Arya still has to die she has to give up all she is to the many face god to become a waif , i don’t know if true, but i think it be her Resurrection transformation . all characters are or have been change by death in some way and start doing gods work after the awakening ,.i knew that Jaqen knew what was going on u can’t lie to him to the many face god. but i thought he was going to just let her kill Arya then punish ,as it be weird to punish before the crime takes place before the show i thought this . but after watching episode 7 i thought it was Jaqen as baiting. the waif will be killed by Arya. and if she can keep emotion out of it while doing she will pass where waif failed. after the waif girl left Jaqen after asking if she can be the one to kill her . Jaqen goes to Arya they have quick chat, all good she aloud to break a contract if it goes against her gods/ religion. and now Jaqen acts like Arya acting like easy target(throwing heap money around to start talk of a girl wanting to leave in a hurry) to let waif cause suffering, and she did. so now Jaqen is leading her to where real Arya waiting in the dark ,and the waif is going to be thinking, she really badly hurt near death, so guard is down and walks in saying can you hear me blind girl ?….no?.. .next second you hear the sound of needle going through someone and you hear Arya reply Yes…… this is all done in dark gonna be awesome new ending 🙂
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BRONN
OMG I am sooooooo hyped.
Hodor
BENJEN!
Dee,
I love it. After last week, HBO is like, “fukit, giv’em the good stuff.”
Edit: not complaining about last week but these pics go to eleven.
Deepwood Motte!
Jaime ”FOOKIN” Lannister
Waited the whole day for those!
Tycho Nestoris,
hahaha
I KNOW
these pics are juicy!!!!!!!
JON FOOKING SNOW
that’s right Jon. TELL EM
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
Woah. #mindblown
Someone Somewhere,
I literally see this everywhere and don’t know what it means except for being the seat of House Glover xD is it a book thing ?
Robert Voorhees #gethype
Omg I’m so exited!Why isn’t sunday here already?This has the potential to be one of the best episodes ever.Every single storyline looks amazing.One thing though where did they leave melisandre she seems mia?
Robett Glover eh? Nice. DEEPWOOD MOTTE
These pics have me very much looking forward to Sunday!
It’s eerie to see Septa Unella chaperoning Margaery. I wonder what Olenna will make of her presence…
Can’t wait!
BLACKFISH IS BACK BITCHES!!!
Also the outfit Arya’s wearing is the
Arya is going to be the Lady of Winterfell. The new hairstyle proves it. (Cue: Ned, Young Ned, and Rickard)
Tim McInnerny is quite a well known name. Really dig the fact that they’re giving so much emphasis on all the “secondary” houses of Westeros. Still holding my breath for the Manderlys, tho! 😀
Lannister armor (as opposed to the kingsguard armor) is a good look for Jaime! I know we’re excited for a Jaime/ Brienne reunion, but they’re going to be on opposite teams this time :(.
I’m hoping Margaery will find some way to communicate her goals with Olenna in a manner the Septa can’t pick up on. Her motives are the only thing keeping me halfway interested in KL this season.
Jon and Sansa don’t look too happy.
Desperately hoping for more Bran this Sunday.
Whoever the new target might be (hopefully not Olenna).
Jenny,
Maybe her absence
Just my speculation though.
these are great! nice change of pace from a couple weeks where the photos were mostly straight from the previews and not terribly interesting. Love the one w/ Arya & the Titan in the background
The return of Bronn should add to the characters at Riverrun since he and Pod have an interesting history via Tyrion.
Blackfish looks like he is seeing his nephew trotted out and he is not amused but IS ready to kick some ass.
Cersei plotting the next maneuver with QoT, FrankenGregor towering over her shoulder.
Jansavos meeting with House Glover to explain the importance of getting Winterfell back from the Boltons and preparing for the White Walker threat.
Arya contemplates her next move (just before the Waif shows up Im guessing)
Queen Marg gets a bath but will Septa Unella be her parole officer?
Littlefinger’s Middlefinger,
ah man, bran.. doesn’t seem like we are going to get bran
or maybe no Dany actually… 🙁
good to see Bronn’s back. Thought Cersei would have tossed him in the dungeons and thrown away the key
Rhaenys Stark,
Yes that the name of Glover castle
BRONN!!
And hope thst Jon picture satisfies some people concerned about his role..lokks front and center and in charge there!
Rhaenys Stark,
It is game-changing thing in the books. But not gonna happen in the show. Jon looks so tiny compared to the Lord Glover. Team Stark looks sad, does not look like the Glovers gives them support.
Yessss, they’re finally releasing Jon promo pics!!! He looks none too happy with Lord Glover. I figure their meeting will be fruitless. Hell, it looks like Jon & Co aren’t even admitted into the hall; Glover is meeting them outside. Hopefully they’ll have better luck with House Mormont.
The Blackfish looks badass! Fuck Jaime if he hurts a hair on that man’s head.
Captain Darling has gone back in time it seems. Hopefully Blackadder follows him soon (hint please cast Rowan Atkinson or Stephen Fry D&D for any role).
Rhaenys Stark,
The Glover’s are the exciting part (I think). They are kind of like those awesome sidekick families who always show up at the right time to help.
Dee,
No Dany is more than okay with me, haha. But Bran..
I wonder what’s going on with the Ironborn as well? I have no idea how they’re going to tie these ends up in 4 more episodes.
Yeah, these are very good pictures imo, finally Arya has a decent hairstyle 🙂
I don’t know. That Lannister armor always remind me of cockroaches (exoskeleton).
This will be the best scene all year… Ian McShane’s speech….. and hopefully the Hound….
As soon as I saw him I screamed ‘Alonzo from the 101 and 102 Dalmatians!’ lol I’m sure he will be great.
Jaime in Lannister armor looks too good!!
Marg has a new faith costume!
We were told in 602 that the Glovers just retook Deepwood Motte (confirmed!), so I’m guessing Robett is going to beg off on the grounds that he’s already lost a lot of people reclaiming his home from the Ironborn. Also, I guess we can assume Galbart was one of the people slain at the Red Wedding, if Robett is in charge now.
Yara and Theon will appear at least. I’m looking forward to seeing Volantis again
aabe,
but I thought they said the north will be reminded 🙁
Greyjoys are in the episode preview for this week.
Littlefinger’s Middlefinger,
haha I love Dany – want to see what happens when she gets to Mereen!
If Bran, Meera and BENJEN aren’t in this episode for at least one scene, I will slightly disappointed.
But this episode looks great going by these pictures. Also, this is the last episode of the season that’s short. Episode 8 is 59 minutes, Episode 9 is 60 minutes and then episode 10 is the longest episode of the series, 69 minutes.
GET HYPE! If those episode titles are real (I hope episode 9 isnt called “Battle of the Bastards”) and if episode 10 is really titled “The Winds of Winter’ then the wall could come down at the end of the season.
just a question…. why is Natalie Dormer wearing a wig this season?
Cliffhangers, lots of them.
Happy to see Bronn. Looks like another exciting episode.
Is Jaime’s armour is the same one that Lord Tywin was wearing in season 2?
Never mind, it looks like all of the Lannister soldiers have that same armour.
Will we finally see “I choose violence”?
GMarie,
She’s always been wearing a wig on the show.
Guinevere Seaworth,
Yes!
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GMarie,
She’s worn a wig in every season.
Guinevere Seaworth,
Jaime wore red armor before. I remember it well in season 1, when he was speaking with Tywin.
Connor,
Definitely! I was looking it up and saw someone had already posted it. Here’s to hoping she gets the F out of Braavos this week.
GMarie,
dont think her hair has/had completely grown out from the cut she got for Hunger Games movies
Does anyone think we’ve seen the gag that directors and visual effects folks were talking about in the offseason yet? Sorry I don’t have the link to that interview handy.
Yup, that’s what I think too. Can’t say I blame him. Better luck at your next stop, Team Stark.
Dee,
The preview, summary, and the released pics suggest there will be no Dany or Tyrion scenes. Only North, Volantis, Braavos, and King’s Landing. We see Jon and Sansa in three different locations (with the wildlings, Bear Island and Deepwood Motte). More King’s Landing stuff like ep6, involving Cersei, High Sparrow, Olenna and Margaery. I hope we get to see septa Unella die screaming and Cersei’s face being the last thing she sees – A Lannister always pays her debts. Arya’s dress is different from the one in which (filming spoilers)
. – Arya’s “plan” may involve the theatre company.
This time, I am more excited to see the free cities story than the North – In the preview, Theon looks like back in Reek mode. And that shot of Arya gazing at the Titan is glorious (maybe because I’m a huge Arya fan).
That would be very cool but I can’t imagine who. Tony Robinson, now…..
Oh those pics excite me. Worried we will see Rickon and Ramsey….might have th keep my eyes partly covered…
Blackfish armor is sick.
Anyone else think Clive looks like an older version of Benioff?
GeekFurious,
Daarya Nastarkis confirmed 😮
GeekFurious,
yes they are
I hate the Lannisters, but I love their armor, especially Tywins.
Jaime’s finally back on his book arc, woohoo!
TWO episodes without Tyrion, crazy.
I think it was aged up Mel.
I would be astounded if Peter Dinklage missed two episodes in a row. That has never happened before. So I expect there will be something in Meereen, even if it hasn’t been advertised.
aabe,
whats so exciting about theon and yara in volantis?
edit: I don’t do spoilers so don’t tell me if its based on a spoiler haha
Sean C.,
He could just be the Glover who meets them.
OT It is really confusing trying to keep track of all the characters who died at the RW with all that may just be missing. Maybe it’s just a book reader’s dilemma.
Maybe we see Melanie Liburd this episode.
The Pic shows the North being reminded…
Does the North Remember?
It’s gonna take something to jog their memory.
And I say… why not? ???
That Arya shot is amazing.
Was missing the Braavos look, so goot to see it’ll make a comeback.
Sue the Fury,
Was Gilly wearing a wig when she dined with the Tarly’s? I don’t know what Hannah Murray’s actual hair color is, but when she met Lady Tarly it looked much darker than when she got her makeover.
Should we assume that we’ll be getting the grave digger this episode?
Dany is in Essos 😀
As fast as the show is going I assume Arya will be on a ship to Westeros by the end of the episode.
Jack Bauer 24,
I guess so
Are they going to get to her before Euron?
Was thinking the same. That shot with the Titan of Braavos in the background is awesome.
Jack Bauer 24,
Oh, yes! He certainly does! They are both quite handsome!
Fuck me running. Have they decided to make Jaime look like the hottest man in Westeros again? It seems to happen whenever he’s away from Cersei.
Yeah i think so.
I thought that also at the time but I had second thoughts after watching Inside Thrones for Ep1&2 and how they had a stand in for Mel’s body. If that was the gag then something similar was already done with Lena last year in her WoS when her face was superimposed on someone else.
Anyway I know this is OT but I was curious about other fan opinions, thanks
Josla,
I think we will be getting Ian McShane’s character this episode and Bryan Cogman said this in an interview about next week’s episode:
“All I can say about next week’s episode is there was a week of shooting a particular sequence/storyline that was my favorite week on set in six seasons of Game of Thrones.”
Also hyped for Jonsa rallying the North montage
If I had to make a guess, I would say that they first go to a couple of houses that turn them out, then hit the jackpot with the Mormonts, Manderlys etc
Wasn’t there a filming leak in which
HotPinkLipstick,
I thought about you yesterday. I was wondering where you have been, haven’t seen you comment much. But low and behold, the way to you is through Jamie Lannister! hahaha
Bronn HYPE
And he’s not pictured, but IAN MCSHANE HYPE
Jon Small, Sansa Stogre, Davos Seamore and a big effing man. lol They’re not giving it to Jonsa stans by highlighting the height difference.
Dee,
Because they are entering totally uncharted territories.
I have no idea what will happen to them because they have deviated completely from book plot, and I have seen no rumours about what happens to them this season post Kingsmoot and reaching Volantis. A lot could happen, including one of them getting killed. Plus these are two characters I really like.
I think the Glovers originally say no.
Jon& Co go to bear island and get Mormonts to say yes.
This in turn convinces the Glovers to join.
Is it too much to hope it’s Pycelle? I don’t want it to be Olenna but Gods that would be interesting. Especially to see how Margory deals w that.
Hope we get some Tyrion
I think we all expect Dany to be leaving for Westeros by episode 10, but I just have no idea how they can wrap up Meereen in 4 episodes (heck, this Slavers Bay plot can’t be wrapped up in Dany’s lifetime IMO)…
But so hyped. This seems like a heavy Stark/Lannister episode, and Im getting serious season 1/2 feels…
So excited for this episode!
Jaime vs Blackfish!
Arya vs the Waif!
Deepwood Motte!
The return of Bronn!
The return of the Hound!
I really hope Jaqen is sending The Waif to die instead of the other way around. I’d hate to think that Ayra is going to have to be watching her back for the rest of her life. If that’s the case, she’ll never be able to go back to Winterfell.
DEEPWOOD MOTTE! It’s good to be right /smug.
Glad to see Jon in the center there. It looks like the meeting won’t go so well for Jonsavos. 🙁 But there are other houses they can see.
Look at that beautiful Tully and Lannister armor!
I like Margaery’s cute little crown.
Arya is dressed to fight! Yeah, girl!
aabe,
okay 🙂 makes sense!
Am i the only one who likes KL this year? Pryce is an absolute delight to watch.
I don’t know why, but that pic with Olenna, Margaery, and Septa Unella is just glorious, lol.
Hey… spot on!
I am most excited for the North! then the Riverrun stuff
SO DAMMMM EXCITED
Sou,
hotness!
gnarlytarly,
Or someone. Which is why I worry about Rickon
It’s like supervised visitation for abusive parents…
Jack Bauer 24,
Slipped my mind, I’ve been obsessing over Bran’s vision too much! thanks for the reminder.
its good if there is a break for dany now, I am kind of annoyed by her atm.
Imagine if they give Dany the heads up about Euron, but instead of embracing them Dany neglects them Euron and his ships.
aabe,
Well, washing it might have played a role there.
Or she’s just wearing a wig.
Sean C.,
One possibility is
.
aabe,
What is this
I keep hearing about? How will it happen?
Demon Monkey,
Could be a trick by the High Sparrow to check if her conversion is for real.
Arya and the Titan. Love it.
She’s a natural blonde so she may have worn a wig before only this one is more obvious. As somebody mentioned upthread she did have a weird half shaven haircut for “The Hunger Games” part whatever it was.
Is anyone else thinking that Queen margery is only pulling Tommen into the light of the seven to eventually get rid of Cersi? I think she has something up her sleeve, why else would she tell her brother to stay strong, not give in…but then she decides she is going to atone and brainwash Tommen (she got rid of Jaime…now she can get rid of Cersi once she goes on trial) …Just my opinion of what I think MAY happen and her motives
Maybe she was still letting her shaved head from Mockingjay grow out while they were shooting this season.
Episode is only 51 minutes and already jam packed.
In the “Blood of My Blood” written recap thread, Luka Nieto listed four possible “milestone” conversations that could be adapted for this episode. Really looking forward to their integration, especially the Broken Men and BF vs JL excellence.
As I mentioned before, I’m keen on how Jon, Sansa and Davos convey critical info to other major houses. Our favorite Stark crew must attempt to build a strong alliance and also convince their audience that the threat of the undead and WWs is not just a silly campfire tale….something that folks here (particularly Wimsey) have debated for the past year or so.
Hey, I must specify that I am a woman, but does anyone here finds Septa Unella kind of sexy too?
I wonder what Melly is up to lol
That shot of Arya is beautiful.
Flayed Potatoes,
Melly has learnt her lesson. She gonna STFU until Jon tells her to do something.
Sou,
She certainly aint bad looking out of her Unella costume
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ash,
Unfortunately it seems Rickon the is sacrificial lamb, but I hang on to the fact D&D have baited and switched us many times already.
(Wipes drool off her keyboard and lipstick off her monitor)
(Looks at photo 1 again.)
(Repeat until Sunday)
Goddamn, the costume department never fails to impress. Jaime’s armor has always looked so amazing. The Stark cloaks are just beautiful (hopefully it’s fake fur though).
tkk,
It’s the same hairstyle as Ned’s.
Connor,
What do you mean by that?
Jack Bauer 24,
No you are not. Pryce is amazing I loved every moment he was on screen!
We might not get Ramsay until episode 8 or 9.
Remember the pfoto of Mel we were analysing before the beginning of the season? It WAS a glimpse of Sansa’s gown on the side! It was not visible in ep 5 but the photo above confirms it.
aabe,
To me Jon looks shocked (and the bad kind of shocked). Sansa does look sad though.
Connor,
Ramsay is Mike Teevee and I am willy wonka. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_vvex_mfik
So much for the Sansa killed Jons character theory can’t let those previews get to you!
Faridah,
Sorry, I know how cringey it is.
Tycho Nestoris,
And Davos looks defeated or embarrassed.
She had part of her actual hair shaved off for another role.
GMarie,
Louis,
Actually, in that pic, the guy Probably calls him a bastard, and then sansa steps in
OR,
the guy comments as sansa a betrayer and Jon gets angry, follows with a bastard comment – LOL
Edit: followed by a jab a davos re: stannis
I would happily trade 100 fiery Dany speeches for a snarky quip or two from Bronn right about now. I’ve been missing that guy!
Louis,
I hope we see Jon give speeches and have an active role in the recruiting.
HelloThere,
wow
Dee,
They should make a shadow baby and kill Ramsay. Spare us the suffering lol.
Rhaenys Stark,
I remember him from Black Death, where he starred alongside Mel and Ned. 🙂
HelloThere,
Good god……
I have certainly noticed that her habit is cut a lot clingier than is typical for Catholic nuns.
Flayed Potatoes,
LOLs!!
Shame!
Davos is the real negotiator of the bunch, I have a feeling he’ll be the voice of reason much of the time. Heck, he convinced the Iron Bank.
Please don’t bring Bronn back just to kill him off!
Jonsavos look like they are getting read for filth by Lord Glover tbh.
I wonder where they are camping/sleeping during all this recruiting lol.
Also…..where did Dany’s horse go in the last episode? I’ve been meaning to ask lol.
Yaaaass Jaime you lion!
…and ok Bronn too. But can’t Jaime just the guy just enjoy his retirement??
ok, I think I would rather do a walk of atonement then have that horrible Unella bitch following me around all day everyday. is it comeuppance time yet?
That’s not what I see. I see Davos doing what he does most brilliantly: being the loyal lowborn advisor, standing aside and making himself invisible until needed, very carefully listening and observing all that goes on among his ‘betters.’ He can’t be seen among the Northern lords as bossing the Starks around or manipulating them.
aabe,
I imagine it’s going to be hard for them to convince those lesser Houses (or anybody south of the Wall) that the White Walkers are real. I think most will have the same reaction Sam’s brother had when the subject was brought up at the dinner table last week. Hopefully Davos can convince them all the Walkers are a very real threat.
Flayed Potatoes,
Let’s just assume that Drogon ate her horse, lmao.
Aw thanks! I’ve been around but it’s hard to figure out which thread has the active conversation. Is it the open thread, Watchers recap, list of written recaps, list of video recaps, curtain call, anatomy of a scene…and to try to read them all, it’s like 2K comments. I’m overwhelmed!! 🙂
I hope all is going well and someone is carrying the torch for the comments drinking game.
Has anyone been using “agency” lately? Are there long, silly diatribes which divide a group into two factions and then define them and predict importance based on those artificial definitions? ..AND WHAT ABOUT SANSA? I haven’t read 200 post discussions about Sansa in ages.
I can only hope for a second photo. *shivers*
I wonder if they’ll have a montage of Jonsavos approaching the various Northern houses or if they’ll have scenes of them visiting one house that will join them (likely Mormont) and one house that won’t (possibly Glover) as examples and then just mentioning if the other houses have joined them or not. There seems to be more than three Northern scenes in this episode and I am so excited! *happy dance*
It was aged up Mel. It was supposed to happen in the Mel bathtub scene with Selyse in S4, but that was changed (the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
They tried to find a place for it in S5 but couldn’t really find a good scene for aged Mel.
Finally did it in the first episode of S6.
Dee,
I guess I mean they have fooled me many times. All the plot twists have my damn head spinning…I guess that’s one reason I love this show so much.
Long live the Starks!
mrspeel,
I must’ve missed something. I thought Jon was gathering houses for taking WF. Are they spreading WW awareness too or *just* WW awareness?
Flayed Potatoes,
Flayed Potatos, you are a genius! And who wouldn’t enjoy watching them make that baby?
I also find Septa Unella hot!
I fear for Pod though…
Septa Unella hanging around in the Red Keep eh. She might not want to walk past Cersei and her monster. I can’t say I’d be upset if she met a wall too though.
It’s interesting that Arya is wearing a different outfit than the one she’s wearing in the scene of her jumping off a building. From the quick shot we’ve seen that outfit looks a bit more peasant-ish than the one above.
http://static2.therichestimages.com/cdn/568/319/90/cw/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Arya-Jumping.jpg
Aryamad,
I don’t think he will die this episode, or this season, or at all lol.
HotPinkLipstick,
UMM
you missed a massive one after the events of “The Door”
The crowd was divided in two:
– Sansa will betray Jon and the siblings will be divided
– Sansa will not betray Jon blabla.
Something like that – I wasnt involved much in it. hahaha
Josh L,
(the dialogue of that scene strongly indicates that Selyse is seeing the old version of Mel).
What?
Why did selyse see her old, and we see her young?
Here’s what i hope will happen (probably episode 10!).
Yara will tell Dany/Tyrion/etc that Euron is coming with 1,000 ships and they will together hatch a plan to pretend to take Euron up on his offer, but then instead steal the damn ships from under him. In return for the heads up/help, Dany will kill Euron and restore that driftwood crown to the Greyjoy kids when they all get back to Westeros. Woudl be an awesome way for them to head to Westeros.
Clob,
I’d say episode 8 is the episode where she will
Right? I doubt they would have left her with the Wildlings considering she burned their king. But she’s nowhere to be seen at Deepwood Motte or Bear Island. Maybe they left her watching the horses, LOL.
I do remember in one of the behind the scenes videos recently released, Carice Van Houten (and Liam Cunningham) was interviewed in a sort of woodsy area and some castle-like building behind her. I could never place that location but maybe it was the Deepwood Motte location and Mel is actually there, just off to the side.
gnarlytarly,
I feel you
I worry for rickon
Love live the starks for sure!
I like it very much as well, mostly due to Pryce. He is a phenomenal actor.
Connor,
I’m pretty sure the week of shooting involves Arya/The Waif doing a remake of Assasin’s Creed and has nothing to do with Ian McShane.
Yes. Except the tables have turned! Now it’s everyone complaining about how Jon has no agency. They don’t use that word I guess but seriously is the exact same thing as last season with Sansa.: “Wah wah wah why isn’t Jon (Sansa) doing more s/he should do more s/he’s so quiet why are other characters doing things instead wah wah”
When Jaime looks good… he looks so damn fine.
Could Arya kill the Waif and take her face on her own or does she not have that power yet?
Oh thank fuck I missed THAT nonsense.
Is there a thread yet for “This is all the crap that was predicted by everyone before the season started. Let’s all acknowledge how truly wrong we were.”?
I’ll mea cupla and admit that I didn’t think Brienne would meet up with Sansa. I thought Brienne would have to suffer for her choice to go after Stannis. I’m sure she’ll suffer later for some other reason.
I’m pretty sure that S7 & S8 will take place entirely Westeros. My speculation is that Dany & the Dothraki will show up in Meereen around E8 and successfully end the Sons of the Harpy in E10. Yara / Theon will probably show up in Meereen in E8 or E10 with their fleet, all ready to bring Dany and the Dothraki, Second Sons, Unsullied, et al back to Westeros. That’ll officially end the Meereenese Knot, and by the end of E10 everybody will be on ships heading back to Westeros.
Arya, meanwhile, will prepare to depart Braavos in E7, and will have her fight with the Waif in either E7 or E8. After Arya kills off the Waif, she’ll get on a ship and be back in Westeros by E10.
After that, there’s no body left in Essos, and no reason for anybody else to go there.
Uh…wait…wasn’t Jon supposed to be on the run because everyone in the NW would turn against him except a chosen few? I’m sure I saw something about that… 🙂
When it comes to Jon, I’m quoting my woman, Brienne, “…a bit brooding perhaps…”
HBO CEO of Tits,
I think he is talking about the
Ian McShanes character has something do with it.
I also like KL. Pryce is incredible. But I also love watching all of these “players” trying to out maneuver each other. Its going to explode soon and I can’t wait to see who is left standing.
BunBunStark,
She’s probably parking the horses, I agree. Chauffeur Melly CONFIRMED!
LOL, the height difference never stopped Jaime/Brienne shippers. Very tall women with men they can fit in their pockets can be visually appealing too.
mariamb,
Ppl are frustrated KL isn’t moving faster, but IMO…
they aren’t seeing the long game, where the dam is ready to burst and real shit will go down…
Jack Bauer 24,
No you’re not, give me KL instead of Essosi storylines anyday – except for Arya – it’s also very interesting that almost no one talks about Jonathan Pryce, he’s absolutely killing it. So delightful to watch his stellar performance indeed.
Jack Bauer 24,
King’s Landing >> East Essos
Not much is happening in KL, but they have good actors. Arya’s storyline picked up considerably because of her interactions with the theater troupe, but the rest of Essos puts me to sleep.
Rhaenys Stark,
For me, it was his adorable chef friend character from “Notting Hill”. Happy to see him!
Pigeon,
.
Very true.
mrspeel,
Too bad no one thought to take a selfie with one…. 🙂
Forget Waif, Area’s story suddenly taking the front centre apparently building to big climax in E10.
I agree. It’s not going to be easy.
Sansa is a “traitor” (having married first Tyrion Lannister, *then* Ramsay Bolton), and a woman (even if she is Ned Stark’s daughter). The Northern lords aren’t going to listen to her.
Jon Snow is a bastard, and an oathbreaker (leaving the Night’s Watch). I’m sure that the first thing many Northern families will do upon seeing Jon Snow at their doorstop not wearing the black would be to try to execute him for leaving the NW. It’s going to take some fancy talking for Jon Snow to convince them that he fulfilled his oath.
Davos (and Melisandre) are filthy usurpers, as they used to be a part of Stannis’s retinue. No matter which side of the Northern “civil war” you fall on, Stannis was fighting against both the Starks and the Lannisters. No Northern family would feel kindly predisposed towards either Davos or Melisandre.
As hated as the Boltons might be, they still control Winterfell and are officially recognized as the Wardens of the North. Add the fact that they have the Umbers and the Karstarks (and the Manderlys?) on their side, and it’s not going to be easy to convince the other Southern families to team up and take them out, Stark loyalty or no Stark loyalty.
Ghost takes breaks in the most inopportune moments. Jon could use him in this recruiting business. What is more Stark and more of the North than a direwolf? Really, Jon should limit his hunting breaks. Or Ghost is the smartest of them all and has figured out that the less time he spends with his Stark, the less chance he has of dying.
When I saw Tim McInnerny in the trailer as a Glover I didn’t even recognize him. It had to be pointed out to me. I can’t believe Lord Percy Percy / Captain Darling from Blackadder is going to be a badass Northern Lord, but… Yeah, I somehow can see it!
I’m so looking forward to this episode. Jaime vs the Blackfish. The North Remembers. Broken Men. It must have been a nerdgasm of adaptation for Cogman!
nigglesnush,
Brienne’s a freak of nature and Jaime’s still tall. It doesn’t count lol Sansa’s supposed to be petite and feminine. I know they couldn’t have predicted this when they cast Sophie but damn does it look weird for her to have towered over every male co-star (bar Sandor) while being submissive to them.
Brooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!
HelloThere,
I agree. The emotional parts of S6 clearly lie with Jon, Sansa, Bran, etc and I love it. However, KL has me intrigued because I have no idea what to expect (well, actually I have a few ideas but I am always wrong).
i wonder if melisandra could get sent down to the riverlands with brienne, maybe to rally the bwb?
she’s not going to go down well with the northern banners and she’s not in the pic
would make for awkward travelling companions but probably good TV 🙂
I think Theon and Yara will hand over the stolen ships to Dany for her to get her arse to westeros.
HotPinkLipstick,
Ive had the same problem. I found tho that if you go to the far right of the screen,there is a text box labeled Recent Activity or something like that, showing recent posts, recent threads, most discussed. Click on most recent, and that will show you were the most recent discussions are taking place (and sometimes there are about two or three). What I wish would happen would be that we could bookmark our last thread on a post so we can find our way back to it easily!
If Arya vs Waif is happening this episode, I’ll be soooo happy. But I think it’ll only be in episode 8. I also think Arya will travel to Westeros with the troup and will join in as an actress in place of the Sansa actress.
I think the Broken Man scene will bookend the episode, and I’m also starting to think LS is a possibility again (for the finale, that is). I’d give LS a 30-40% chance, given what I think happens at the end of the episode.
FINALLY I hope we get our good ol’ Jaime back!
Danny,
Ghost’s back in direwolf limbo. After the assassination, he should feel the need to be at Jon’s side 24/7. It just doesn’t compute. They’re back to ignoring the bond and the importance of the direwolf.
Oooh, yeah, I like this. He watches, he listens, and then he gets shit done. Truly, Jon & Sansa hit the jackpot with their new adviser.
mariamb,
Cersei is going to do something impressive and ballsy and steal the show. That’s a given.
I think there just might be something to this. The way Jaq-o said, roughly, “either way, a face will be added to the hall,” coupled with the Waif’s behavior (enmity, not so no-one, is it?) and perhaps even his look following some of that (not stink eye but perhaps a mini-version)… I wonder if he’s okay with Arya not becoming no-one.
jentario,
apparently GRRM confirmed
There’s no way for me to properly describe how excited i am for Sansa and Jon in this episode and i’m going to be seriously disappointed if their screen time is less than 15 minutes Sunday.
No Danny and Mereen this episode? GOOD. Also i don’t think Bran is going to be in this episode but i would definitely love a brief appearance with Benjen.
I’m worried that Ramsay hasn’t been in the last few episodes. The north being reminded might mean something involving rickon
Elizabeth H,
Cersei, not Cersi
Love,
Stannis, Westerosi Proofreader
jentario,
this
plz… i need more mother of madness
Undoubtedly! And I think that Septa Unella and her bell will have a very bad end. Sadly, I think that clueless King Tommen isn’t long for this show.
That picture with Jon/Sansa/Davos looks a little grim.
It’s going to be a hard sell–recruiting in the North
Let’s be honest
Davos is a smuggler turned Hand of Stannis, and not from the North
Sansa- to the outside world-appears to have stood by while her father was executed, remained engaged to Joffrey, married the imp Lannister, then married Ramsay Bolton.
Jon is a bastard (atm) who probably won’t be able to explain with any credibility his fight with WWs and death and resurrection that made it cool for him to abandon his post at CB-usually a death sentence. Oh and also he has a pack of Wildlings, a direwolf, a giant and a depressed fire witch following him around.
So here they come, after Robb took many of them to war and death at the Red Wedding, after the Ironborn took advantage of the war of five kings to attack, after Ramsay flayed and threatened anyone who didn’t respect Bolton rule, after several houses have lost their original leadership and/or are in disarray.
Yeah. Hard sell. But I don’t think it will be for the Mormonts. Just from show examples-Jeor and Jorah? Those men are loyal. And Lyanna Mormont’s letter that there is only one king in the North and his name is Stark.
I don’t understand the preview where Tormund has to rev up the wildlings to fight for Jon though. I thought them thinking he was a god and knowing he’d come back to life would be enough. They are really downplaying his resurrection imo. I’d still be freaking out a little.
PS-Jaime looks amazing in the Riverlands. I’m praying Lancel sends him a note or Bronn tells him about that relationship with Cersei. Also-do we even know if he knows that she’s the one that put HS in power just to mess with the Tyrells like a petty you know what? I’m so ready for him to wake up from that hold she has on him that makes him an idiot and takes away all of his personal growth.
Oh and Marg, Olenna and Septa Unella? I will need to watch that meeting closely to see if the two smartest women in the realm can pass messages to each other without giving anything away to shame nun.
Nope, Sansa’s tall in the books too. Shockingly, you can be both tall and feminine at the same time, and height has no correlation to whether or not a person is submissive.
On another note, yay Blackfish! I hope he drags Jaime’s ass but good.
HotPinkLipstick,
I loved yoyr description of so many ‘discussions’ – so right! It is amazing tho, even with those that make me roll my eyes and scroll, there are three times as many that are interesting or funny or informative or all of the above!
That would be good for the off season. But someone would have to keep track of it all and man I wouldn’t wish that job on anyone
afaik Sophie said they wanted her to appear towering over men, they made her wear high heels to make her look even higher in past seasons.
RG,
I’m expecting some epic subliminal exchanges between the two, Olenna is going to serve Lady Grantham levels of sass in this scene.
Off-Topic Otto,
I saw something yesterday that I really want to believe. That this was a test for the Waif too-and one she seems to be failing tbh because I don’t think FM should be so emotional or revel in the idea of hurting and killing someone. That’s not their style.
Maybe Jaqen had the Waif train Arya to play them off each other, and when Arya kills her–she’ll actually pass her test and be allowed to go on her way.
Tinfoil addition: And it will have something to do with Syrio wanting her to finish her dancing lessons lmao
It’s been a while since I watched that scene, but Mel basically says something to Selyse about her being so devout that she can see pass the magic.
Here’s the scene at YouTube if you want to rewatch it.
One old man’s opinion:
LSH is an allegoric tale being woven to reveal ridiculousness of a revenge based system of escalating violence.
The showrunners are using violence to drive the ratings. The books are anti-war, anti-violence.
The HBO show has become little more than being about badasses kicking other badasses’ asses. They’ve dropped the main motif of the book series long ago.
It’s for the best shes out anyway since they would have botched it.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Oh man I totally forgot that! Sweet! That was his first big role IIRC, glad he’s doing so well ETA duh, Black Adder….
ash,
Not saying they aren’t good discussions, just that I don’t have time for it all!
I SO want a thread of admitting our incorrect predictions.
These pictures alone signify how epic this episode will be, count all the stuff they wouldn’t want to spoil, and we have another corker.
Does anyone have any theories about what Sansa is writing up in the episode promo?
In AFFC Sansa is described by LF as “a maiden tall and fair” – she had a huge growth spurt sometime during the 3rd-4th book as I recall. I always thought she was taller than Baelish, at least, if not taller than the “average” Westerosi guy. She’s certainly not petite in the books, at least not by this point in time. Arya and Dany are petite, not Sansa.
And Jon’s height is never fully settled in the book. I’ve read some people say that he must be fairly short because he is described as always wearing LongClaw on his back instead of his hip. But yeah, Sansa being taller than Jon wouldn’t surprise me too much.
And yah she’s shorter than Clegane in both… obviously. 🙂
BIG OLE REMINDER:
You must use spoiler coding! Cover up all that
, every bit of it. It’s obvious what you’re talking about even when you think you’re being subtle. Cover it up, this is a post for everyone.
And please take with several grains of salt anything you hear from people claiming to have heard things from GRRM.
Sean C.,
It would be surprising, but then again, “Blood of my Blood” was the first episode in the series without Tyrion or Jon. So far every episode Tyrion had missed had included Jon :
“You Win or You Die”, “Rains of Castamere”, “First of his Name”, and “Watchers on the Wall”.
BunBunStark,
I think Lord Glover is expressing skepticism (and even disdain) with respect to Sansa. He’s the one she’s speaking to when she says she did what she had to, which is probably in reference to marrying Bolton. Seems like some of the Northern families were none to impressed by that…
Interested in Jon explaining to the Northern lords how he left NW.
Jamie, Bronn and Blackfish at Riverrun!
Luka Nieto,
Lord Percy! Yes!! I was tormenting myself…
Anthony Cogliano,
Yeah, “reminded” sounds ominous.
HelloThere,
The more I look at Sophie’s 2 lies and a truth the more I think she lied about all 3.
LOL, it’s probably the latter. Ghost is all caught up with S6 and knows what’s happened to his siblings. He’s come to the conclusion that his best defense is to stay the hell away from the Starks.
Josh L,
The only question is, how will Euron fit in to all of this ? If Yara and Theon bring Dany to Westeros what will Euron do ? And how would Yara and Theon manage this ? They don’t have nearly enough ships to bring over 100’000 people (Dothraki + Unsullied + Second Sons should equal approx. 110’000).
Then again, Jorah said there were 100’000 people in Vaes Dothrak, but perhaps Dany won’t bring them all to Westeros ? After all, many of those will be children, women, and the elderly. Unless the Dothraki are permanently moving to Westeros, I’m not sure they would really come with her.
Now that Dany has united the Dothraki, the fate of Vaes Dothrak, and the Dothraki people’s future as a society is a little unclear.
So many questions.
Daughter of Winter,
I agree with you 100percent minus Daeny.
Sue the Fury,
Woops, sorry Sue 🙂
Common Sense, in the end, makes be think LSH happening wud just be weird @ this point…
Tho i’ve mostly let it go, a small part of me still yearns for it ,lol
Something mental, I would say.
Oh god yes!
GMarie,
She shaved half her head for hunger games.
I love Tyrion, but I don’t need him in every episode. I get Peter Dinklage is the star of the show and tops the bill, and there must be an obligation to feature him in as many eps, but a lil’ 2 minute Meereen update amongst the all the goodness of this episode just isn’t necessary.
RG,
Ive been thinking that as well. Jacquens look when Waif walked away was telling to me
BTW I asked this elsepost but it got lost – Has anyone on the show actually said Waif’s name? We call her that because its in the books. I know she’s supposed to be no one, but I remember hearing a critic not remembering her name and wondering if non readers would know that?
It doesn’t seem right that they would leave Tyrion out for two episodes in a row….
Yeah something like that, or that they would all kneel to him and Mel would do something like proclaim him AA loudly.
And generally I’ve been so wrong all season and. Never thought Brienne would find Sansa. Who could have imagined the concept of Tormund crushing on Bri?? NEVER thought that Jon and SANSA would unite (WHA?!??!), assumed like everyone else Dany would be saved by Drogon (WRONG), thought Cersei would blow up the sept of Baelor last week (NOPE).
And I’m so excited to be wrong more.
That was so brilliant.
As a side note I need more Brienne in my life this episode but I’m a bit worried that they will just have her as a stinger at the end (Jaime/Brienne reunion) and I will scream.
Tim McInnerny and Ian McShane in the same episode! It really is incredible how the show manages to get so many big names for such small roles, but then this is the biggest show on TV. There’s too many examples to list, but these two add to the long number of actors who have signed up for cameo roles. I honestly can’t think of another show, ever, to have so many big actors sign up for such roles
Hy~pe!! Hope we get a glimpse of
this episode. And that Arya introduces the Waif the the pointy end of Needle.
lalla,
Really? That’s just stupid. Whatever was the reason?
Shaz,
I think Tyrion and Dany might be leaving Meereen in ep 10, so I am just wondering how they can wrap it all up in only 3 episodes..
I bet he shows up for a few minutes.
HotPinkLipstick,
I hear you. I was laid up with a hip fracture the last three months so I had lots of time to be on line, but yeah normally I wouldn’t have had much time either
This is a BIG episode for Mr. Jon S.
Haha, Tyrion absent in two episodes in a row? Not.
Jaime and the Blackfish look so good! And Bronn!!! I still miss the Bronn-Tyrion duo – Jaime and Bronn never ever came close to that, in my opinion. Arya finally out of the No One Cult. Jon, Sansa and Davos doing the filler recruiting thing till Episode 9, I guess. I wish Davos would go and find Shirren’s pyre, but that could happen in Ep. 9 too since it’s near Winterfell.
I posted this above, but what about Yara/Theon in their fastest ships warning Dany about Euron coming with 1,000 ships. Then they (probably masterminded by Tyrion) come up with a plan to lure Euron into a trap and steal the ships from him.
As if a fatherless girl in the Middle Ages had a saying on stuff like that…
I am not contradicting you, it may quite well be as you say, but it would be very unfair!
richard decredico,
There’s nothing to botch really. Lady Stoneheart has appeared in only a page or two. She doesn’t even have a plot, not yet anyway.
ash,
She’s girl no one.
QueenofThrones,
imagine Theon there with Varys and Greyworm and Tyrion making a joke about the three of them and their similarities haha i can see that scene now
The cinematography of the Arya shot is so beautiful. It really makes me wish we could have seen more of Braavos, instead of just the dingy house of black and white.
QueenofThrones,
It’s destiny. Sandor and Sansa belong together. I remember Double Ds saying it’s a good thing Rory’s taller than Sophie and that they’d delve deeper into that relationship.
Josh L,
Very interesting. Now you’ve got me thinking
Does she see her in her true state all this time?
QueenofThrones,
Hmm I like the sound of that. I just don’t know if Euron would be dispatched/tricked/screwed over so soon/easily.
Seems like it would make him slightly irrelevant and unnecessary as a character.
And even though the show has diverged a lot so this may not hold true for the show, in the books we have heard from Moqorro that nobody will be a greater threat to Dany than the Crow’s Eye. And the latest Aeron chapter definitely reinforces that idea.
Very intriguing.
richard decredico,
Then why are you here? (btw I am a huge book fan and still love the show)
ash,
Shit. I hope you are ok now.
I think only about 2 dozen or so Wildlings were at CB to see Jon come back from the dead. To them he’s a God, but to the remaining thousands back at Wildling camp (especially the warriors), Tormund still has some convincing to do. And judging from the trailers, we know he succeeds.
I do agree with the rest of your post, that Team Stark does have a hard-sell on their hands when it comes to the Northern houses. Their various credibility is shot to hell at the moment.
Random prediction not based on these pictures.
Jaqen will eventually reveal himself as Lady Crane. Killing the Waif is the final step of Arya’s training.
ash,
It’s never been said on the show
My sister didn’t know until I told her
Something dramatic must happen or be seen by many up North for the lords to pledge their banners. Hmmm, what could that be?
RG,
I think it makes sense why the rest of the Widlings would need convincing. Not all of them saw Jon’s dead body, so not all of them would believe he was some sort of God. The free folk aren’t a monolith , they are a diverse group of people with different tribes, and various superstitions and motivations. And it’s not like they are very used to being organized anyway….this is really unpresedented stuff for them, as their tribes are usually always splintered and fighting.
They joined up to get past the wall, and now that they are past the wall, I can see some of them having reservations on following orders from a crow, even someone they might respect for bringing them there. They need to be convinced that this is the best thing for them. They aren’t just going to blindly follow Jon without feeling that it is in their best interest to. I believe they will be convinced, but I think it’s worth it to have a scene showing some of the reserved free folk being convinced to go fight for a castle.
Sou,
Oh yeah, Im walking now, with a cane at this point but hopefully when school starts up this fall I’ll be in shape again to go running after the kids… thanks.
ash,
jentario,
At the end of season 5, “Jaqen” drinks poison and “dies.” The “Waif” then turns into “Jaqen.” Was the
who died or “Jaqen” or just generic “no one”? I am so lost on these FM. I understand the changes to the Waif to make her a fighter, I just
Blanche Holstein,
Maybe seeing Rickon’s body? Or maybe a WW is following the CB team?…..
RG,
Does Jon really need to mention his death and resurrection? If they are still going to see him as an oath-breaker (which he technically really isn’t), he should just tell people he didn’t feel like he could ever trust his men again after such betrayal and so he left the Watch for everyone’s sake. He’s got the wounds to prove he was attacked. As to how he was able to survive them? Well, he could tell them Mel saved him. Being saved is less spooky than being resurrected. I mean only about 8 people actually saw Jon as a corpse, of those only 3 are with Jon. There is really no need to spread that kind of information around. It’s unimportant for what they are trying to do. I mean Mel would be the only one who I could see wanting people to know what took place with Jon, and only because she now believes he’s the promised one so she would want people to see him as that but I also think she’s learned a hard lesson with the Stannis debacle and will try to be more of an adviser and less of a manipulator.
ash,
Why not both?
Ugh, no San-San for me… but that’s just my personal opinion. But I honestly don’t think the show has set it up at all. Their interaction when he left KL was lacking the sexual subtext in the book, IMO, and when they interacted generally, I just didnt’ feel any chemistry. I think he feels protective of her, but she is mostly just wary.
Not to mention Rory is like 30 years older than Sophie (yeah Dinklage/Turner age difference is pretty extreme too but I don’t like that pairing either fwiw).
DessertCartBoy,
Oh… now that would be interesting.
I was thinking the show would trick us into thinking Arya dies and have the Waif return to Jaquen only to kill him and reveal she’s Arya wearing her face.
Tycho Nestoris,
Interesting – that whole bit when she came back to HBW was hard to follow, and there could have been some identity switching going on. Mmm I agree with you about
Jumbo,
i really don’t think they’re going that way, it’s more a sandor/arya thing in the show, and not romantic. sandor has been namedropped twice already in arya’s storyline in braavos, i’m really looking forward to seeing them meet again in the riverlands
I’m probably wrong, and biased in my wishes because I hate Euron and want him to sink into the sea ASAP.
But Tyrion is cleverer than anyone, especially Show!Euron. So I don’t think it’s unrealistic that he could be hoodwinked by Dany’s forces.
Let’s imagine they left Euron out of the show completely. Yara would have become King of the II and then built some ships and… what? Turtled up I guess? She wouldn’t have even known Daenerys and her Dragons existed. Euron beating Yara and Theon gave the show runners the excuse they needed to put the characters where they need to be – in the show, Euron is the literary definition of an antagonist – someone (or thing) that causes the protagonist(s) to take action. If Yara had just learned about dany some other random way and chosen to go herself, that would seem deus ex machina-y. Plus there wouldn’t be any question about what happens, whereas with Euron, we don’t know who will be at Dany’s side – Yara or Euron?
Yah he’d just be a one-season / one-shot villain in my scenario, but he surely is not irrelevant.
I thought it would be kind of cool if Arya defeats the waif and ends up leaving the waif’s face behind per Jaqen’s, “One way or another a face will be added,” line.
ash,
OMG
The show has done more to set up an Arya and Sandor reunion than a Sansa and Sandor reunion. In the show, the Sansa/Hound interactions feel like way more of an afterthought than the stuff in the books, especially since there is no scene where Sansa misremembers being kissed by The Hound. From how it’s presented in the show, I doubt Sansa has even spent one second thinking about Sandor.
The fact that Brienne referred to The Hound as some man pretty much killed off any future subplot of Sansa/Sandor in the show, imo.
I do wonder if Arya will ever see The Hound again. Tbh, I think I’d look forward to Arya/Sandor reuniting more than Arya/Jon. At least on the show. In the books, Jon and Arya feel so much closer since they are constantly thinking about each other. I so want him to mush her hair again. But then again if I see him mush her head on the show, I’m sure I’ll lose it there too.
GeekFurious,
Wait a minute… Arya… Daario… Daario… Arya… they are never in the same place at the same time… Arya… Daario…
A character has been given a second actor. There will not be a third.
jentario,
Oooo I like that! Or The Waif kills Arya revealing herself as…….. GENDRY!
I kid of course.
Fishscales on the Blackfish’s armor. I love the costumes that tie back to the house sigil. Arya is out and about no longer sporting the the ladies of Bravos fav two knot look. There is so much attention given to the small differences that define each cities culture. Finding the subtle messages in every scene makes the show so enjoyable to watch.
Oh dear… Tyrion couldn’t help himself I’m sure. They’d better add a self-reference about how that’s enough eunich jokes already!
Blanche Holstein,
Oh, why not indeed – give them something to remember for a looooong long time!
lalla & Kamali:
I’m interested – what do you make of the Sansa/Littlefinger relationship and the Hound’s potential impact upon it?
i don’t think sandor will have any major impact on sansa’s storyline in the future
Dany and Drogon will land in Meereen this week, taking the bird-flies route and beating her 100,000 bloodriders. They’ll arrive in the midst of the madness and mayhem we saw in Meereen in the season trailers. And then, Fire and Blood. Or am I a week early in that prediction?
I love the Arya image with the Titan in the background. The Titan really makes Braavos for me. I think there’s much more to him than meets the eye, and that we’ll see the Titan in action sometime after the Wall comes down.
Bronn!!
Also, that one Lannister on the far right, the one with the fully visible face, looks real familiar too; like some featured extra that also was a Lannister soldier with a line of dialog in a previous season. No idea if that’s true, could be my imagination.
QueenofThrones,
Shouldn’t they have to convince Dany of their trustworthiness first? The Ironborn are known for their rebeliousness, whilst Tyrion and Varys are aware of Theon’s treachery against the Starks who treated him as a member of their family despite him being a ward. Yara will have her hands full in their upcoming meeting.
RG,
I really want to believe that, too!
Tycho Nestoris,
No apologies nec; we all have our parts in the book that we wish were dif in the show. Can’t help that. At least we still have to books to go back to and enjoy 🙂
jentario,
Oh that would be cool! Actually, have
happen at the end of the episode and watch the internet explode…
Tim Jones,
You guys are cracking me up today!
ash,
Yeah, I’ve been having a tough time even remembering in which thread I’ve posted. I mean, I’m really happy for the site and those who run it comment sections are going at such a seemingly break-neck speed (at least it seems much more so than last season), but it’s making it such that I’m having a tough time keeping up.
iridium,
In the previews, Sansa’s saying she did what she had to do to survive but it looks like the Mormont sigil is mounted on the walls, and she’s inside. There’s another scene of Glover approaching them and they’re outside – two different scenes. But methinks she’s going to have to answer for being Lady Bolton more than once
Call me an optimist, but I can’t believe they’d cast Tim McInnerny for one scene. I know they’re doing that for McShane, but that was a widely touted cameo. Tim is a lesser known actor worldwide but given the cult status of Blackadder, having him onscreen for 5 mins would be a huge waste. I’m hoping it means that Glover will join them.
(Pleased to see it confirmed – I thought it was him in the trailer! Now cast Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Miranda Richardson, Hugh Lawrie and Stephen Fry pls!)
The trailer definitely makes it appear like Sansa is going to be given hell by all these northern houses for being a Lannister/Bolton. I’d like to think after defending herself umpteen times to belligerent northern lords, that she finds an ally in little Lyanna Mormont. I am almost more excited to see Lyanna MORMONT than grown up Lyanna STARK. Especially if she gets some form of Wylla M’s speech.
Given the time it takes to build ships (a couple of months), Theon and Yara should be able to arrive before Euron even leaves. Oh wait, it’s the show. Logic need not apply to logistics or supply chains….sorry, I forgot.
Flayed Potatoes,
This!! So much!
There’s one thing I’m slightly confused about. After Arya killed Trant, Jaqen took the poison and killed himself, but then the Waif turned into him. If Arya does kill the Waif, what stops one of the other Faceless Men turning into the Waif (thus meaning Arya will never be free of her)?
fairly straight forward episode
-Riverrun
Jamie comes up on the siege, the Freys produce Edmure, blah blah blah, i’d imagine it’s pretty close to the book’s plotline. [/ spoiler] once Brianne gets there… who knows but i doubt there’s anything more than her arrival.
-Northern recruiting, probably will be a mixed bag result. Most houses likely willing to help in some fashion, but not enough to give Jon an Army large enough to beat Ramsay.
-Volantis, Bro n Sis working on a plot to get Dany to go with them instead of Euron.
-KL, Tyrells and Cersei will be cranky, and come to the conclusion they either work together or lose their power. Sparrow will start dealing with Loras- or at least he will come up this episode.
-Braavos, Can Arya just end the Waif now? please. the Waif will be added to the hall of faces and Arya and Joquen will make peace with the situation and she’ll leave for Westeros (probably split over 2 episodes)
inactive plot lines
North of the wall- nothing
Iron Islands- nothing
Dorne- is that even still a place?
Oldtown/Horn Hill- nothing
Meeren- nothing (will throw fans a curve ball by not including Peter two times)
Dany-wherever she is…nothing gonna happen this episode.
Oh that fucking last pic, I Don’t give a damn about the Tyrells, don’t start to fuck with me like this when I know you’re killing them all off in the finale.
(sry for language lol)
Marg is most certainly not a genuine believer. She’s playing her game. Her motivation is Ser Loras, primarily. If Cersei gets knocked down in the process, all the better, but I don’t think Cersei is her primary motivation.
O/T: I may be late to discover this, but has anyone else been watching S3 of Penny Dreadful! Our sweet young Ned, Sebastian Croft, is a nasty little vampire in it!
http://evagreenweb.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/SebastianCroft-03.png
Connor,
He better not! XD
Is that a real hug ……”shame”
Name *,
I am more confused about FM than Bran’s “time” loop sequence.
There’s a difference between Jon and Daeny. All of Dothraki saw her rebirth or that pyre show. Jon was more of a quiet scene that only Tormund, Wun Wun and other Wildlings saw. Not all of them and they would need convincing.
Tormund will make a case because Jon was the only who tried to save them and died because of that. And Ramsay is going after them or threatened them and Jon is their only hope. It’s out of necessity for them fight which they will at the battle.
It would be harder to convince other such as Glovers because they just took Deepwood Motte from IronBorn and it probably took some of their men. So they likely decline it because of that and reputation of Sansa, Jon and Wildlings. Not everybody is perfect like Daeny gathering allies left, right and center. But it makes it all the more fun.
I think you meant to say, “something metal.” \m/
The best trash talking in ASoIaF is castellans insulting their besiegers. The Blackfish’s insolence is exceeded only by that of the castellan at Storm’s End not yielding to Stannis and then calling out Stannis’s riders who used to support Renly, including the remaining Renly Kingsguard amazingly still wearing rainbow cloaks.
So I’m hoping GoT really lets the defiance rip.
I would also like to see Jaime’s war council, which became a farce of heads of Houses behaving badly.
I think you meant to say, “something metal.” \m/
Are those enough ships?
How cool is it going to be to see Theon and Yara meet Dany.
#doubtingthomas #nekkidjon
I’m just thinking that if I put my hands into holes in a man’s chest where he’d been clearly and fatally stabbed over and over and over and yet was living, breathing, walking, and talking, I wouldn’t have a problem believing in the undead north of the Wall. Plus Michael McElhatton confirmed that he thought Roose and Ramsay would already know and believe that the White Walkers were real, didn’t he?
Bringing a character back from the “dead” is only done if there is a point to it. Why bring the Hound back if it is not to
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Maybe if they numbered each comment so all we had to do was keep track of the number we left off each thread. Wonder if thats doable, since Ive never gotten a response about being able to bookmark threads….
THE NORTH SCENES HYPE!
In all seriousness, I thought they MIGHT split up the traveling, but their together here, Bear Island, and even with the Wildlings.
There’s going to be no montage – seriously, has this show EVER done a montage?
Also, another reason for the Glovers to refuse them: Theon. The show very deliberately mentioned Deepwood Motte. Now Sansa Bolton turns up having escaped Winterfell WITH Theon GREYJOY asking to go to war against the Warden of the North? Not happening. The Glovers are probably equally pissed with the long association of the Greyjoys with the Starks and their wars.
It isn’t going to be THAT straightforward with the Mormonts btw. That’s where Sansa says “I did what I had to do to survive,” so you know someone is going to question her. And that’s where Davos talks about the real war, so it’s not some walk in the park on Bear Island either. But at the end, she is a Stark, Jon has Longclaw, and it’s Lyanna Mormont.
I don’t care at all about Mereen. Haven’t missed Tyrion there at all. I think the show is trying to save a deathly boring book arc by sending some of it’s best or most intriguing characters there (Varys and Tyrion), but I’m not sure that many people care at all.
Oh, so excited that Tim McInnerny is in this and as a Glover! Have loved him from Blackadder. So very curious what the other lords of the North have to say about what has been going on.
Luka Nieto,
Oh he can be mean and intimidating too, I’ve seen him do genuinely scary. Although Lord Percy from Blackadder II is by far my fave. “Percy, play for me”….“Patty cake, patty cake baker’s man” 😀 😀
HotPinkLipstick
Hi Pinky, good to see you. Thought you might have overdone it with the pre-season drinking games. Personally I’m just taking credit for the things I got correct and ignoring the far larger numbers of misses. It was one large ship in the trailer, not three smaller ones, therefore I am a genius! 😉
Tycho Nestoris
I can’t remember whether it was Sophie or Maisie who said
Ooo, yes, but this particular lamb has teeth and claws. He will go down fighting. He won’t take Ramsay with him, exactly, because we have to have the Battle of the Bastards, but Ramsay won’t walk away from Rickon unscathed. I hope that the damage will be done via Ramsay’s own hounds, with Rickon warging in.
HelloThere,
But in reality it will be a faceless man wearing Shae’s face to assassinate Tyrion, ordered by Cersei.
Also FUCK YEAH THE BLACKFISH.
The show – like the books – has come so far from the war over the Iron Throne (Balon’s death really cemented that). The Lannisters won, the Starks were destroyed, and everything else went their own way.
But to have the Blackfish remind Jaime, “As long as I’m standing the war is not over,” I squealed and clapped my hands and almost fell off my chair.
BLACKFISH AND THE NORTH GET HYPE FOREVER
Lulus Mum,
Or perhaps she’s just moved on. Her empathising with play Cersei crying at the loss of her son was a clear indicator of this.
I am looking forward to Theon and Tyrion meeting again. Last time they met, they did not like each other much, and were then on opposite sides of the Stark/Lannister war. They both care about Sansa to varying degrees and Theon knows what happened to her after the Purple Wedding and how bad her marriage to Ramsay was. I wonder, if they do meet, if Theon with share this with Tyrion and what Tyrion’s reaction to it would be.
ash,
I would love that .
I usually use my memory and check the time of the last comment I read
And let’s say a couple hours pass when I can’t check the comments (say I’m working out or something) I remember the time tag of the last comment
LOL
ash,
I, personally, wouldn’t find that particularly helpful, although just because I wouldn’t doesn’t mean others would feel the same.
Like I said, I’m really happy for the site things are so busy, and if that means I can’t keep up the way I’d like, that’s just how it goes. There is the bonus, at least for me, of missing some of the inevitable whining about things that I, at least, find absurd. If enough folks want a more…focused, or at least easy to keep up with conversation, we can always start a thread in the forums.
Lulus Mum,
Makes sense, that’d be more a misunderstanding than an outright lie. Even still
would be pretty surprising imo.
Plus, how’d Sophie get the script for these other characters to even know what’s going (and not going) to happen? Hmmm
HelloThere,
And its gonna be awesome. I love the plotting and the build up. Because they are giving us clues and stuff. And nothing happen overnight either. I don’t see how a plot with Cercei and Zombie mountain can be boring. If all else fails, she will burn something down.
Dee,
I neither love nor hate Danny, just indifferent. In terms of her storyline well she needs to get to westros so i can at least start caring about it.
Simon,
Yeah, could be. She did seem strikingly empathetic towards Cersei at that point, although Lady Crane asks her in the same conversation (paraphrasing here can’t remember the exact words) if she enjoys pretending so perhaps she is being sympathetic towards Lady C rather then Cersei? Whatever the case, we should find out very soon 🙂
My collection of theories for the episode at this time:
(1) Mereen makes an appearance. Maybe to show the progress of the red priestesses and/or set up the pursuit of an alliance with Dorne.
(2) Yara and Theon are bound for Dany. That seems like the consensus. I think they’ll advise her to neglect Euron’s offer, but I wouldn’t be surprised if she goes rogue and tries to pull another Dracarys moment. Or perhaps it will be true love <3
(3) Recruiting the Northern armies doesn't go so well. I'm wondering why (a) Sansa isn't considering using the army of the Vale, or (b) why Jon or Davos wouldn't recommend it. It's hard to imagine LF taking a side, but he has to have more of a role in all of this somehow.
(4) Arya kills the Waif (more of a hope that a solid prediction, fingers crossed)
(5) Arya travels to Westeros with the acting troupe. She may even kill the Sansa actress. I'd love to see her then take the role (her dialogue with Lady Crane was a potential setup), but I don't buy her as an actress, and I don't think either of those things would happen this week.
(6) Olenna is the new target of the HS.
(7) Jaime ain't too happy about being on the side of Walder Frey v. Blackfish.
I feel kind of in the dark, but regardless, I'm amped for this week!
Honestly, I doubt that’s going to be brought up. Ramsay’s letter to Jon didn’t even mention Theon (almost like he knows Theon didn’t go with Sansa to Castle Black and has exited this plotline completely).
I was wrong about Hodor. I theorized years ago that he would be fluent in the Old Tongue, of which “Hodor” was a word. I wanted him to have a big ole conversation when he finally met Wun Wun or Wildlings who spoke the Old Tongue. I still think Hodor is part giant but obviously the rest wasn’t the Hodor story.
I think this season has leaned toward confirming more of my heartfelt theories, though, than denying them, so I’m happy all in all.
Name *,
It’s littlefingers roll that will be the big reveal.
“The High Sparrow eyes another target” – He’s looking to Dorne. More salt in the Lannisters’ wounds, and more followers for the Seven.
“Jaime confronts a hero” – Obviously, this is in reference to the Blackfish. At Walder Frey’s behest, Jaime will attempt to ransom Edmure Tulley. This is treacherous, and will put a lot of pressure on the Blackfish to negotiate. Will he let him die, or will Brienne arrive just in time to stop/persuade Jaime?
“Arya makes a plan” – Apparently, she has some things to wrap up before leaving Braavos. She may want to say goodbye to Jaqen…be careful. She most definitely wants to point out a few things wrong with the Waif before climbing on that boat. The best laid plans, though, always seem to go wrong in GoT. This will get hairy. We’re going to see our first extended chase scene in a long time. Through the winding streets and canals of Braavos….exciting.
“The North is reminded” – This has double meaning. Jon, Sansa and Davos are out reminding the Northern Houses that Winter is Coming and so are the White Walkers. They will struggle at first, but as the next 2 episodes progress we’ll see them win over more and more to the Stark cause. The other reminding will be by Tormund Giantsbane to the Free Folk. They have forgotten that it was Jon who brought them through the Wall in the first place. It’s Jon for whom they must fight. He’ll remind them…even if he has to smack around one or two.
Its only logical for Jon and Sansa to have to convince these houses. Ones a official bastard and ones lady Bolton. What these other house must know though and I think will pull them over is the next known alive rightful heir to winterfell, who is a stark, is a prisoner there. And that should be motivation enough. Ready for these plots to start converging. I think this is the last transition episode and the rest are fire works and season conclusions. Dany will reach Mereen end the battle there and turn to westeros, Arya kills the waif, have some sort of interaction with Jaqen. Who I think, knew from the beginning, she could not be no one.
Starks get the army and end Ramsey, and reclaim the north then start thinking about the WW. KL is less predictable. I don’t think there will be a trial by combat. Sparrow will outsmart Cercei again and she will go ape shit. Casualties will abound, including the birds going stabby on Pycelle,Kevan, Sparrow. Cercei burns the city with Wildfire. Tommen dies.
Blackfish is not yielding RR, not even if they threaten Edmure. They have had him however long, what sense does that make? I really think, Brienne will be forced to choose whether to off Jaime or not. He took up arms against Catelyn’s kin when he swore he wouldn’t. I personally hope he dies. He’s useless in the show especially. Never taking responsibility, always following , usually Cercei
Tycho Nestoris,
I think the main cast get, if not the scripts for the whole thing, then at least a good overview of what’s happening in general, whereas those in smaller roles only seem to know about the things that affect them directly. Although obviously people can pick up stuff from other cast members as well. If I was in it I’d certainly be swapping plot points with others. “Oooh you’ll never guess what my lot are up to….*whisper whisper*….how about you?” Trade WTF moments 🙂
Acting! I mean, could you have seen Hugh Laurie doing House given his characters in that series?
It turns out that some of the actors get overall scripts and others just get their own scripts. Part of the reason why we had gotten inconsistent stories about whether actors got to see stuff other than their own material was because it has not been consistent! Moreover, Turner and Williams seem pretty chummy: they probably simply talk about what they have done.
Many times? I cannot even think of one off of the top of my head!
The problem is that the show has provided no indication that Rickon can warg. Moreover, I would bet that it would take a very skilled warg to influence Ramsay’s dogs. Animals can resist warging, and Ramsay’s dogs seem to see him as their Alpha. At any rate, given that Rickon is not one of the main characters, I would think that his fate needs to be determined by Jon or Sansa.
The FM are NO ONE – they have no names, they give up their identities when they agree to join. They do not introduce themselves with names, unless I suppose when they are playing a part and assume an identity as part of a mission, which is why Jaqen has a name. So no, she isn’t Waif in the show, the waif was just a nickname Arya gave to her in the books, no one had names, so she made up nicknames for everyone.
The actress is listed as the Waif in cast listing to denote who she is, but other than that no she has no name on the show. There is enough general online chatter and discussion for most casual watchers to refer to her as the Waif, there really is no excuse a reviewer – a little basic research would give the name. The average joe watching at home that never looks at GOT related social media or reviews or has a friend/co-worker that does (there must be a few) – probably not.
Jack Bauer 24,
Jonathan Pryce is putting on a clinic this year on how to subtly convey several different things at once. It’s seriously good acting.
I am getting sceptical that Jon/Sansa’s campaign trail results in any substantial support. It seems Meli going to come handy somehow and make the King of the North in the end.
eejazz,
3b
-they don’t know he has an army willing to enter they fight. remember sansa lied about how she knew about Blackfish. Jon would know nothing about LF, I would think Davos would at least know of him and his rep…. so proceed with caution
I suppose it’s possible that the Waif doesn’t find and confront Arya until episode 8… but… I’m a bit more confused now though. In this picture above supposedly from episode 7 she’s wearing the same outfit and same hairdo as in those pictures HBO released before the season of her in the water. http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/20/590x/secondary/maisie-williams-game-of-thrones-333243.jpg So now I’m wondering why she’s running from someone and jumping off of a building in one outfit and in a canal in another. She’s not Missandei and has a new outfit every time she’s on screen. 😛
Add to that the double whammy: convincing people that a known danger (the Wildlings) are not a threat whereas a mythical one (the Walkers) are a threat.
My bet is that the Glovers are going to give Sansa et al. the cold shoulder, both because of Jon’s and Sansa’s propensity to figuratively and literally marry enemies! Besides, when does anything ever come easy for Starks? However, House Mormant seems to be the one good bet. At least in the books, the Wildlings are not their nemesis: the Iron Born are. And the Old Bear is from that house, so they are the one house that might have taken all of those ravens seriously. Still, even they never sent aid to the Wall: perhaps they figured that Gramps had gone nuts!
I call Jaime in the Riverlands “Jaime doing senior management” which he has not really done before as a Kingsguard. Jaime thinks
So I’m wondering what he will choose to do now that he is no longer vowed to the KG. Possibilities open up.
I think that the bigger issue is that this is going to be key for Sansa’s part in the story. She does not want LF’s help. However, she probably is going to need it. And at some point, she’s going to have to accept that sometimes you have compromise and accept disagreeable allies in order to accomplish your goals. That seems to be the basic story this year.
SEVEN HELLS!!! BRONN IS BACKKK, BITCHES!!!!. SOOOO HYPE. IS IT SUNDAY YET?!?
Balogh,
broken man hodor 🙂
Sansa doesn’t have Theon. Theon left to go to the Iron Islands and got caught up in the Kingsmoot. He’s currently on a fleet with Yara sailing to Essos.
The main actors get the full scripts, not just their parts.
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfits. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
It looks like the next few Arya scenes will give you that – running for her life on the streets of Braavos – and it probably has been mentioned before but I didn’t see it, but her outfit reminds me of Syrio’s waterdancer outfit. Wonder where/why/how she procures those threads?
Rhaenys Stark,
oh will be good to see the reaction he has if he finds the half burned buck he carved for her next to the burnt pyre knowing red women burn her
Does anyone have any prediction/theories on how exactly the Manderly’s will play into this? Their armies have been mentioned twice now but
The main actors get the full scripts. In Sophie’s case, however, she didn’t read anything not pertaining to her own storyline — though she knows the details of Arya’s (much like last year), I imagine because Maisie is her sister from another mister and they talk a lot, so she’d know what Maisie is up to.
Making the 8,
I think the gag was either peeling off a person’s face or the spear through the back of Tristane’s head and out his nose.
Dee,
i think there gonna be a really cool scene with bran but didn’t want to mention it , the title the broken man might be about him and hodor i hope
Lulus Mum,
Regarding the “two truths, one lie” reveal …
My guess is Arya *will* cross three names off her list. It’s just that she’ll have to add two names to her list first.
Name #1 will be the Waif (or whatever name they give her on the show).
Name #2 is likely going to be Walder Frey at the end of this season.
My only stumbling block was name #3. I’m fairly certain it won’t be Cersei (her death is reserved for the Valonqar) or the Mountain (that’ll be either the Hound or the Sand Snakes). But the more I think about it, the more I think #3 will be Jaqen H’ghar once Arya realizes who sent the Waif after her.
If you Ctrl-F (Cmmd-F on the Mac) on a webpage and type in your name, ash, then you can search and find all of the instances of your name. Of course, it would help if your name was more unique since “ash” could easily be parts of other words or even just a word that doesn’t mean you. But I know if I see Ginevra, I’ve either commented on the thread or should read that comment.
Also, and perhaps I shouldn’t admit this, but I typically skip at least half of the comments – sometimes 75% or more. I read those I know and love and those who generally have something interesting to contribute, and I skip right over the rest.
Having just finished S3 for Ripper Street, this is a banner week for GOT, with Jerome Flynn (Bronn/Bennet Drake), Clive Russell (Blackfish/Chief Inspector Abberline), and perhaps even Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen/Harry Ward) showing up in the same episode.
Ripper Street generally is a good show to watch if you’re playing “spot the GOT actor”.
Josh L,
I Want HODOR back!
Tycho Nestoris,
It was two truths and a lie, not the other way around.
They see a giant.
A giant should be part of the delegation.
Damphairintheshowplease!,
True. My b.
Any chance of seeing Wyman Manderly?
Trust No One,
Yeah I get that, but they have to know that the Vale has an army (regardless of LF), and that given their tie to Catelyn, they may likely support a Stark claim to the North. Seems like a somewhat obvious *potential* ally when they are scrambling so hard to find any
Bluestreaking,
I did see another possible list victim being mentioned in another comment, tho. The actress who plays fake Sansa. I can see Arya adding that actress’s name (because if she’s willing to hire somebody to kill a person solely to get a better role, she’s probably not a nice person), offing her, then taking her face so she can get on a boat to Westeros without being found out. Arya does know how to put on a new face, as we saw in S5E10.
Probably not this episode. I’m expecting him at the beginning of E9, before the big battle.
Oh good point, me too. I got a funny feeling when Waif and Arya were talking and the Waif kept asking Arya all kinds of personal questions – who are members of her family and where are they now … I was glad Arya answered that she didn’t know. Do you think the Waif already had intentions of following Arya around and making trouble?
Flayed Potatoes,
you know dany horse became a snack to the dragon lol
Great stuff, and we still have more to come
Blackfish is great
Jaimie as Lord of Casterly Rock as I guess he is now is great to see. Part of me suspects this is part of a build-up to the Lannisters and Tyrells having to leave KL, eg they’ll have strong victories in this E7 and E8 but then they’ll crash horrifically at the end
As for the Starks and Tully’s who they seem to have an inverse relationship (Lannister high and Stark low was when Ice was being melted down and Lannisters were getting their own VS sword)
Suspect they may go from low, go a bit high, have a blip (being BF loses RR and Rickon dies) but then catapult high. Jon probably inherits the Stark side of things and Sansa the Tully’s (who won’t follow Jon).
Technically Bran should inherit it all but he’s gone from KitN to lofty 3-eyed crow!
Great to see some Tyrell soldiers around KL as going by that QoT pic, makes a nice change from Lannisters being de facto Royal Army…especially when mace is sent to Braavos an inexpicably has no Household guard
Cersei caused the deaths of Micah, Lady, and Ned. Arya will never forgive Cersei, unless she becomes ‘No One’. The person we saw in Blood of My Blood was Arya Stark and not No One. She was not empathizing with Cersei, but she was feeling sad for Lady Crane actress, whose well-rendered dialogues were about tragedy and cruelty of death. Arya’s conversation later has nothing to do with Cersei, (although we as viewers know that Arya’s estimate of Cersei was accurate) but herself. This was moments after she gazed at Ned’s head prop. At the end of conversation, when Lady Crane asks if Mercy like pretending to be other people, she answers ‘I have to go, my father is waiting’. She is leaving Braavos and Facelessmen, and she is doing that for her father. Avenging Ned involves killing/torturing Cersei. Arya may forgive Hound and Ilyn Payne because they were acting on orders, but Cersei had an active role in destroying Arya’s family. If she moves on, she will no longer be Arya Stark.
ETA: Also this was Cersei reacting to Joffrey’s death. There is no reason for Arya to feel bad. If Cersei was mourning Tommen or Myrcella, Arya might feel sadness or pity, but not in case of Joffrey.
I can’t wait for the BF scenes in RR. Plus, Bronn is also there. I detect there will be high levels of sarcasm thrown everywhere.
Bronn adding his own snark into the mix. It is going to be so good.
Flayed Potatoes,
would of been mad if a horse skull fell out dragon mouth during her speech as dragon lets a roar out hahahaha
darren,
Graphical illustration:
http://imgur.com/r/gameofthrones/fRz1dkg
This made me sad. (Got a thing for horses – I was more sad about Smiler and Dancer than men of Winterfell like Rodrik or Luwin)
Have to say that I’m actually looking forward to the adapted AFfC stuff concerning Jaimie and the RL, think it will be done well in the show
Also worth mentioning, people whinged about it not being included chronologically, but the placement of it in the show may end up making good sense
OMG
OMG
Finally…
DEEPWOOD MOTTE!!!
I think the next target is Loras. He is still in prison. HS can messed him up even more.
Same. But the river land storyline is looking juicy.
Also I honestly want more Kings Landing, I’m intrigued at the games people play there. They’re all one card away to put all their chips on the table
I bet the new target for the high sparrow will be The Mountain.
Connor,
Anyone else concerned the waif will beat Arya. Sadly, she’s won most fights so far. If waif wins she could then use Arya face to pretend to be her until the “bitter” end?
That could be the next major, but heartbreaking, final GOT twist. Hope not but it would be in line with other haunting GOT scenarios.
Jack Bauer 24,
I’m not usually attracted to older men, but holy cow did he looks sexy in that preview.
Oh HELL no – if anything would sour the whole damned experience, it would be seeing Arya’s face but knowing her heart and soul are not Arya’s but some stranger. NO NO NO, that can’t happen. Arya must stay Arya through and through or we riot
darren,
That would be awesome
aabe,
Disagree completely. If Arya remains a vengeance monster she will have no character arc. I didn’t say Arya forgave just that she now has more understanding of the world and that she can, at a distance, put herself in Cersei’s place, and understand how the queen mother must have felt losing her son – having experienced similar emotions and pain herself. Yes the conversation with Lady Crane illustrates her conflicted feelings about what she has to do but also illustrates a maturation in her emotional journey. I’d suggest Arya will be more interested in getting home to Winterfell when she learns some of her siblings are alive than pursuing the names on her list. Besides Cersei will be her own undoing and so Arya will not need to kill her. Maybe she will be in a position to do so but will decide not to like she did with the Hound but it’s more likely Jamie will kill her. If you are right and she doesn’t change there’s no point in her remaining in the story. She might as well die in Bravos.
The north remembers!
So, so hyped to see Jansavos, Arya, Jaibron!
Myrmidon,
True, negotiations are going to be in Danys favor, but the Greyjoys do have a lot to offer her.
I imagine some Tyrion/Theon interactions will be involved. They actually met that one time! Tyrion surely will be surprised at the change he’s gone through.
Agree!!!
imjustsayin,
I would HATE that
Lulus Mum,
I think it’s both because if Arya remains intent on revenge she will have become the very thing she hates in others. And actually if she reminds herself about the death of her father she’ll remember Cersei opposed Ned’s execution.
I wonder if getting denied by Northern houses and seeing how reluctant the Wildlings are is what makes Sansa tell Jon about the Vale? I’m holding out hope that she doesn’t continue to lie about that, and I can’t imagine she keeps that information if they really are having trouble rallying the North.
Maybe the letter she’s writing in the preview is to the Vale forces?
They sure do, they have best navy in Westeros and Yara is a most capable commander, but I would expect Varys to be suspicious and perhaps question if it would be wise to trust them with the transportation of their entire army.
Yes they did, back when half the Starks were alive and Theon was too cocky for his own good! Can’t wait for them to meet, i do believe that we will be in for a treat!
On another note if it took them an episode to reach Volantis then it’s safe to assume that if Dany leaves Essos in the season finale then she will arrive to Westeros by next season’s premiere.
Her first marriage the argument ‘I did what I had to’ is understandable, even forgivable – she really had no other choice…. but the second marriage… she didn’t have to do that. This is one of the deviations that really didn’t work well in the context of the characters. It severed the plot, not the characters. Since the decision wasn’t developed beforehand, the abruptness of it didn’t really make sense from the characters POV. Neither Littlefiger or Sansa would take such an unnecessary risk, especially as their first option. (Not to mention LF just leaving her there to handle it all alone, grrr.) A little more development might have worked it out, but the show didn’t spend/have time to. You just are forced to accept it and move on.
So yeah, that is going to be harder to explain away Sansa reasoning behind that, will be interesting to see that they come up with as a good reason
Right. Up to this point young Arya has had a very black and white point of view about her enemies – but we saw some hints of her maturing with the Hound, the FM realized she didn’t hate him anymore before she realized it. She just wasn’t ready to see the other side. This was just another example of her maturing and realizing that her enemies are real people who also care about their family. It doesn’t mean that she will forgive or stop hating them, but like you said put other more important things, like reuniting with her family, above simply living for revenge.
Guys, I hate to break it to you. But that’s not Deepwood Motte. It’s not wooden.
viki,
You’ve also brought up an important point. Arya has been training at the temple of black and white (why didn’t I see this before) and has now come to the realisation the the world is not black and white but more nuanced and a patchwork of greys – and not surprisingly the also Stark family colour.
Definitely the wildling factor will be interesting in building their northern alliance. Skepticism will dominate the northern houses! I wonder how Tormund and Wun Wun will factor in these negotiations? (even though I did not see Wun Wun leave with the fun bunch in ep5) What will be the swaying factor for each house?
The “I did what I had to do to survive” does apply to Joffrey and Tyrion, but not Ramsay. She married him out of choice – her own plot with LF. Just because it went wrong, doesn’t mean the North has to help her take it back.
That is to say, most women at that time can’t fight against their husbands just because they don’t LIKE them. Sansa might have a harder time getting support – they need to emphasize Rickon
Simon,
I disagree a bit. Her ark is that she goes from innocent and pure to vengeful. She doesn’t have to come back from that, nor do I think she can. She has been corrupted as a child and that will stick with her. She almost has to die in the end. I think it would be poetic if she turned down happiness and returned herself the the House of Black and White after her list was completed and donated her face to the wall. Get one final scene with “Arya” assassinating someone.. Though we know it’s not her.
ash,
May the power of hot Jaime Lannister heal you!
QueenofThrones,
So not into SanSan.
Lulus Mum,
I went on the wagon for a while! My liver couldn’t take it. …Okay. Total lie. I have missed you all though.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I like the site activity too. I just worry about jumping in when I’m so far behind reading.
I do wonder if I’m going to need to peddle these nude selfies I have of you to D&D to get spoilers this hiatus. I mean, in case you thought I’d forgotten…
Ginevra,
I thought I was the only one who searched for my own ID! WoooHoo.
I love your idea about Hodor, but loved the way he went out as well.
I am going to take back my prediction that Arya dies this season. It’s next season. 🙂
Wimsey,
Littlefingers own advice to tywin. We only make peace with our enemies. Sansa can remember what happened at a later time and settle it then.
Well drat. I made a big long reply but it appears to be awaiting moderation. 🙂
Thanks for making me feel welcomed back.
HunterMac87,
I’m not against the idea that she has to come back to the temple of black and white but to do so she needs to become no one and to achieve that she has to let go of the past.
I’m not sure the temple will remain after the long night. Its more probable that all the institutions conceived in this world under a particular understanding will have that certainty undone. I’m seeing no throne, no kingdom, no gods.
HotPinkLipstick,
Lol!!!
How can Arya contribute to the story if she cannot evolve as a character anymore? Arya will prevail: the question is, how, and at what cost?
You’re right that the “I did what I had to do” excuse only applies to one of her marriages and not both. I hadn’t thought of that. The circumstances were vastly different, and I hope the show and Sansa don’t gloss over it when questioned by the Northern lords.
Angela,
Is not Edmure now actually Lord of Riverrun, outranks the Blackfish?
Loyal Tullys would yield if he (Edmure) ordered it, I suspect.
If they are smart, then they will have the Wildlings stay away. It is not just that Northerners would attack a Wildling host: given that the bad feelings exist on both sides, it would be just too easy for a Wildling to “settle an old score” a la Lawrence of Arabia.
One thing that jumped out at me last week was the vehemence with which Tarley spoke of the Wildlings. If the southerners hate them so, then it really is small wonder that the Umbers were so desperate to cement an alliance with the Boltons. (But, then from what we see and read of the Wildlings’ deeds and feelings to the “southerners,” can we blame them?)
True! However, this can affect multiple scenarios. One reason why I’ve thought that Jon and Sansa are going to have troubles gaining allies is that this is the view we expect the Northerners to take towards the Boltons: no, we have not forgotten the Red Wedding, but a Wildling Invasion is a much more pressing matter.
That written, all of those things will get put on hold once they actually see wights and realize, sacred feces, they are real!
HotPinkLipstick,
I see it!
BunBunStark,
How about “I didn’t know Ramsey was a monster, now I know he is. Help me put him Down”.
Maybe. The Blackfish is a black sheep badass, so it is hard to predict what he’ll do. I don’t think he’s just going to hand the castle over to the enemy, no matter what his lord says. And I’m not sure that’s such a bad thing. If POTUS were kidnapped and held at gunpoint by enemy combatants, we should say, “We’re so sorry. You served us well. Your sacrifice will never be forgotten.” But we shouldn’t hand over the keys to the kingdom.
Josh L,
I’m not sure if the Manderlys have sided with Roose yet,was there anybody cast for any Manderlys.
I was thinking what’s that under the sheet..y is cersei looking at it ….untill I realised it was ollena’s head ….hehehe. ….
wow arya looks cool….and I want tyrion next episode ….
and now there was concern among many Jon wasn’t getting many lines ….well that photo does seem to suggest otherwise …seems Jon gets to start the conversation ,,,,
I am SanSan to the core (more in book verse) but agree that the sexual undertones where muted and probably side-stepped because Sophie was underage while filming. What I do think D&D did well was show Sandor’s protective nature towards both the Stark girls, when he had no reason to give a damn. I think Sansa got under his skin, same with Arya but for totally different reasons. And I loved that. I don’t think the tale between the three is over by any stretch (I still think Sandor is the “Knight” Sansa dreamed about growing up…just in an unexpected package and not necessarily romantically).
As for the age different between the actors, that is neither here nor there for me. I never expected for D&D to take the romantic route but even if they did, I don’t ship Rory and Sophie. So the age of the actor doesn’t matter (unless they are underage, then no thanks) as long as it works for the character.
Queenofthrones,
That doesn’t matter to be honest. At that day and age, a man who treats his wife brutally isn’t enough to go to war over.
The only real argument is that Ramsay cannot truly be Warden of the North 1) with Rickon still alive and 2) because of the threat of the WWs. I doubt that latter will be believable. It can’t be because Ramsay is a bad guy.
Great pics. The Riverrun and North arcs seem exciting. Can’t wait for the North remembers speech
Simon,
You’re tripping. Arya was laughing when joffrey was dying in the play. If she sees Cercei needle is going through her. The play made her realize she doesn’t want to be no one, she wants to be Arya and get her revenge. Understanding Cercei position in that situation is logical. Doesn’t make her forgive or forget what she has done to her family. The only maturity she has gotten is she is wasting time in Braavos and need to get back to closing eyes, eyes that matter to Arya Stark.
Here’s how I see things:
Arya will face the waif and the true test will be revealed, like people have said, she will kill the waif, Jaqen will be pleased that she passed her final test, the waif losing hers. They part on good terms. The famous chase scene is not a chance at all, but Arya deciding to leave with the theatre troupe, swimming out to their boat that has just left port.
Btw o/t but Gendry is in bravos. He rowed to KL and stowed in a ship bound for Bravos, thus getting him far away from Meli and the other threats he faced as Roberts’ bastard. There, he has used his trade and found work in a smiths shop. The same shop that Tywin hired and brought over to rework Ned’s VS sword ice? iirc. Gendry will have apprenticed under him this whole time…somehow he makes it to slavers bay where Tyrion meets up with him and offers him a job as Dany’s royal Smith, bringing him back to Westeros.
LF wrote the letter to Jonsa and co. To bate them into battle against ramsey. What actually causes bastardbowl, is the Smalljon double cross twist, and poor Rickon’s death. It’s LF plan that the two forces decimate themselves, and he can bring the Vale forces in to clean up, thus fulling his goal to become the warden of the north on his way to conquering the 7 kingdoms.
Hold the door though cuz this backfires on LF. As he’s marching his army of the vale towards WF, with the army et al believing they are going to help, they see the battle has already,for the most part, occurred and the last of boltons remaining forces are defeated. Ramsey how ever thinks he can flee and attempts to escape More on this in a bit.
First, as LF orders his army to then turn on Jonsa and co, Lord (who I can’t remember his name at this point as this is just spewing from my head as I type but was the one who almost went thru the moon door when Robyn got his eagle) turns against LF and refuses to attack Stark men. The army is now under the control of this lord and LF is taken prisoner.
Meanwhile, as the Starks know their home better than anyone, Ramsey thinks he’s escaped only to see Sansa. In a moment that Ramsey is startled and already wounded in the Smalljon twist, Sansa drives a dagger slowly into his heart as she gives an amazing speech at how he hurt her so much but that killing him right there and now gives her so much satisfaction. And with that Ramsey meets his end, by the very hand of the person he hurt the most. Oh but did I tell u that at that moment, she feels a kick in her stomach and knows what it means. The death of a monster, is also followed by the confirmation of that monster’s child growing inside her…
Mean while LF is taken before Sansa after all the dust has settle. Through the assistance of Robyn who shows up at some point during the battle, and learns of the LF plot, orders LF to be thrown thru the moon door. But Sansa says something like screw that, and plunges the same dagger she used to kill Ramsey, into LF’s heart. Saying he’s used her for the last time a look of fear, sadness and remorse comes across LF face as he dies. Yup Sansa sure does have the redemption type season she said she would. The houses that are left standing proclaim her Queen of the North! After a long cheer Sansa looking like the queen she was meant to be, she clutched her stomach and begins to have a miscarriage. Blood dripping down her leg, she stands up straight and with a smile of relief and confidence we cut to black. Episode over.
Thoughts? Sorry about long post. This literally came to me as I typed it. It is known.
Beer Island,
We will see.
Well…
Maybe he’ll show his scars to prove that he’s fulfilled his oath
that sounds awesome did u get that or some of that from reading the books ? if only going by what been shown in show that is an awesome way for that little battle in the north to play out , lord Varys might be sad to head about his old friend finally out of the game, he did enjoy him
Queenofthrones,
Yes. Perfect. And I disagree that she had a choice – Littlefinger has her out in the middle of nowhere, giving her this ‘choice’ when she knows she has no place else to go. I’d give her a break, tho understand that the Northmen probably won’t.
HotPinkLipstick,
Hee, yeah Jamie Lannister would certainly help, you are sweet. Thanks for the good wishes 🙂
That was my first thought too! I really wish they would have put her in his quilted vest as a nod to him and a gift for those who pay attention.
I wonder if Arya gets to see Jaqen one last time. I think she knows she can’t risk it but that would be a sad end to their relationship. I am hoping for some kind of twist to this story before Arya grabs her water jet pack and heads back to Westeros. She honestly could be there by episode 8 at this rate.
Sean C.,
I thought Theon tricked the Ironborn into handing DM over to the Boltons, who promptly slaughtered them…
i more interested in if the Gendry info of him going over to bravos is book hinted ? because i had my own thoughts that Sam was gonna run into him when he takes a ship from where he goes to learn to be a maester and learns of recipe, dragon glass + steel+ wildfire= VS (or just dragon glass + steel = VS), so sails around to KL for wild fire(this is if its needed ,might just be dragond glass and steel melted together) and to dragon stone (which is where Gendry was rowing from and to ) to pick up dragon glass to use it in making VS swords . when sam runs into him (either at Kl or still rowing lol ) Sam ask gendry who he is where he came from , he replies was blacksmith (sam like oh i need one of them ) was heading to join nights watch but shit happen ,then was going to join brotherhood without banner but shit happend ,now he rowing on way to KL (or was there when sam was getting wildfire in fleebottom harbar area) Sam like well im nights watch and convince him that they need him and that there all brothers there which is what Gendry wants most family feels, so they go and start making VS and dragonglass arrows and weapons , i think that’s all i haven’t slept for ages lol.
HeHeldThatDoor,
LOL. ?
Karen,
You’re thinking of Moat Cailin.
From the preview, it might not end good for Sansa… she did have a choice in marrying Ramsay. She could have gone to the Northern houses instead and rally them, like she’s doing right now. Someone might point that out to her. Most of the Northern houses have lost many of their families/friends in Red Wedding… so her marrying into the Bolton traitors who were backed by the equally hated Lannisters will reduce her significance as the one with the Stark name, in the eyes of the Northerners. Although the bastard, Jon has more chance of getting support because he’s a leader and a war veteran. After all in medieval world, many respects strength.
I can see Rickon as the one they’ll rally for, and support Jon’s leadership in the battlefield. Sansa will be seen as ‘damaged goods’, which will possibly lead her to go back to Littlefinger. It sucks, which might end up getting true.
In the end Littlefinger is really the one to be blamed here. He made Sansa believe that he’s the only one whom she can trust and depend on, that his decisions will work in the long run. Sansa took it and paid for it dearly – her reputation and virtue are sullied. Which probably will benefit Littlefinger again because Sansa will have no choice but to return to him again.
Nadia,
I honestly would not understand the North’s reluctance to join the Starks. What about “the north remembers” stuff? How about Tywin’s and Roose’s assesment that Sansa is the key to the north and that you can’t rule the north without her? NED told Sansa about the north’s loyalty to the Starks (episode 5). What about always needing a Stark in Winterfell? Were Ned, Tywin, Roose and everybody else wrong about the north’s devotion to the Starks? Which ultimately should overcome any misgivings the houses might have towards Sansa and Jon. Wouldn’t it be considered treason or oathbreaking if these vassal houses refuse to go to war for their liege lords (who Sansa is as the oldest surviving trueborn child of Ned)?
If the show goes that route, it feels like they are going back on an important Stark quality they have set up for many seasons.
Hi there! Thanks for the reply. Tbh, this was one of those Stairway to Heaven moments (although not anywhere near as good lets face it lol) where it just wrote itself and just flowed as I was typing! I have not read the books but plan to after the series is over. I want to experience this ride and then dig deeper with the back stories of the books.
Wouldn’t it work though? I think so. Cheers! 🙂
Ginevra,
I read your comments just for the tech lessons you give each week… lmao… 😉 JK…
No, I do not think this is plausible, because Arya-Face Waif does afterwards, it would not be things the real Arya would do. Also, how would this work as a book POV, where we can read the main characters’ thoughts?
I will be interested to see how Arya defeats the Waif, given that the Waif clearly out-classes her in any type of normal combat and anything related to Arya’s training by the faceless men. Needle would be insufficient, because the Waif would not assume Arya was incapable of arming herself…indeed, the Waif would assume the opposite.
Arya needs an ace-up-the-sleeve to win such a fight, and while the books have hinted at one
the show has not. It is not impossible that the show will do that even without the setup (indeed, that is my preference) but we will see. There has to be a logic behind how Arya can suddenly defeat someone who just days before totally p’owned her, and I am not seeing a lot of other great options. Hopefully it does not involve outside help. That would dramatically weaken her arc. She’s gotta earn this one on her own.
Nope. I have not read the books. And like you I thought something like u described here. But then I thought more likely he will meet Tyrion at some point who knows who he his if I’m not mistaken, though correct me if I’m wrong, and learns of his skill and trade. Knowing of the battle that is coming and thru assistance of kynvara (spelling) they enlist his skills. That’s how he gets back to Westeros. I remember an interview from the writers that said the battle while require everyone to come together to fight the real threat. Where as I see Sam knowing what a VS sword can do, I’m not sure if he and Gendry cross paths. More like the more people in different paths knowing what VS can do, the better. Now, they could entirely meet at some point and Gendry could rework Heartsbane into smaller weapons, mirroring what Tywin did. Hmm that works too. The beauty of these kinds of discussion is they can evolve from the original theory. I love that!!
I think Littlefinger dies this season, specifically E10. The knights of the Vale will save the day in E09, worming LF back into Sansa’s good graces. But it will not last, as a certain long lost character will soon be returning, and
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Read the teases, my friend. D&D love to hide secrets in the trailer. They gave us a cloaked and hooded Benjen, for example. The aforementioned returning character likely also appears…facing LF in the godswood. Why else would
be coming back? Characters do not return like this unless they serve a compelling plot point….and causing a certain outstanding book prophecy to be fulfilled would only be icing on the cake. Sayonara, Savage Giant.
Sunday cannot come soon enough!
Lol!!
I hope that’s a good crazy face there?? Haha. Hey I had fun with it!!
Cheers!
Laura,
i think she will she Jaqen again . she will kill that chick after her give face to house black and white Jaqen will be happy and then tell her that he was told in the past to find her and train her by bran visiting the past which turns out why Jaqen a man with many face get caught in first place(bran prob tells him of her destiny and that if he helps her she will save him , which is true but its going to get her that put a man life in position needing to be saved lol), was on purpose to meet arya, his first test for her was would she help/give a stranger water if ask nice( save a stranger because there good) she was going to but other fucker didn’t ask nice demanding beer. Jaqen was happy with outcome even tho he got no water, this test is done again at the end of her training to see if she will still use what she learn for good , in refusing to kills some nice actor. death does not come for the wicked and leave the good , death wants his faces one way or another, another face must be added arya gonna be stealing good lives/faces from death and replacing there spot with wicked lives/faces. this is how she offers the names of her list to the many face god ,save someone good make bad guy take place , like what happen at start saves/stole 3 lives and replaces them jaqen help her with that .
Have they ever done two episodes in a row without Dinklage?
There was a casting call for a character where the description sounded suspiciously like Lord Manderly.
Oh is the
for real? That would be awesome then. Although I don’t think Littlefinger’s gonna die this season, in the next one most likely he will. Sansa must reconnect first with her cousin Robin and shift his allegiance to her if they don’t want him avenge his favorite Uncle Petyr’s death.
What’s going to happen when Walder Frey finds out that Ramsay fed his living daughter and grandson to his dogs?
Ravyn,
Shit has to go down in Harpy Town to make D’s arrival with a huge army significant and to help win over the slaves who are less than happy with her now, and to smash the Son’s of the Harpy once and for all.
Karen,
Will he ever know. Frey ain’t long for this world me thinks.
i don’t think that tyrion ever did meet gendry , unless u meaning he meets and hear he story over there at same time he hires him to make them like u said. and i don’t think tyrion really know how bad the ww are (he got that warning from mormont that if shit hits the fan they might be in trouble to give that msg to queen to give to king ) andi don’t think he had a way to learn that VS is only way to kill white walker or how bad the need it . i think from tyrion point of view if he gets a blacksmith it would just be for normal swords for dany army to attack men holding the throne. noone but sam and the nights watch know about VS real use is for ww . rest world don’t believe in grumpkins and what not. as onion knight tells gendry he be safe in kinglanding kings guard didn’t know what he look like , only the redwomen new what he look like . so i don’t see why he would go all the way over seas anywhere in westeros be fine just not near stannis and red women area. unlike the imp who everyone new his face and name so he had to go accross the seas bit hard for him to take a new name but gendry golden for just new name , sorry for all things that make this hard to read (for the writting is dark and full or errors lol )
The Glovers don’t technically hold a Lordship, am I right? So is the correct title Master Glover? Anyway, Robett looks like he’s going to be a real jerk about things. Could be ’cause Sansa married a Bolton, and Jon is seen as an Oathbreaker and Wildling lover. Maybe he’s having a FML moment. He did lose his brother at the Red Wedding (on the show I assume), and just took back Deepwood Motte from the Greyjoys.
Louis,
true! 😉
Tyrion was more contemplative of Mormant’s note than others, but we should not expect that he believes that White Walkers exist. To put it in modern terms, it is like two people hearing that there are lots of UFO sightings in an area. The Pycelle equivalent just dismisses it as too many people drinking, smoking or something-elsing too much. The Tyrion equivalent does think some odd is happening: but he/she think that it’s some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, or perhaps a nearby military base testing something new and not terribly secretly. Neither of them think “It’s aliens!” because that is absurd. As Samwell’s little brother said: “There’s no such thing.” Still, that does not mean that the Wildlings are not up to something nasty.
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
ems,
How many Broken Men are there and what does this episode intend to say about what a broken man might still achieve? Or if achievement is even the issue. Anybody have any ideas what the theme will be built into?
Bran, Theon, the Hound, Frankenmonster, Benjen, …
I might have added Tyrion and Varys, but both of them seem to have overcome their injuries and mental damage and seem to be functioning as whole humans. Yet, they have been profoundly damaged in the past, so would probably qualify. Maybe to show that broken men can still find worth in the eyes of the world and in their own eyes. I’m just thinking off the top of my head now. Can’t wait until Sunday
That was before the Wildlings invaded. That is a major emergency for the Northerners, as Wildling raiding parties are enough to keep major stretches of the North uninhabitable. Now thousands of them are in Westeros. (We know that the number able to fight is low and that they are in bad shape: but they would assume that all of the Wildlings present are there to raid, and the number of Wildlings south of the Wall would grow with every retelling.)
The lords of the Northern houses also have sworn oaths to protect their vassals, their peasants and their towns. Moreover, the Starks are sworn to help them do so: a vow that the Starks are not fulfilling very well owing to their destruction! So, from their point of view, they have a choice: they can fulfill one set of oaths and possible survive, or another set of oaths and almost certainly perish.
Remember, the other Northern houses do not exist to prop up the Starks. They exist to perpetuate themselves. For a long while, being the Starks’ liegemen helped that. Now, it not only is not helping, but it might be hindering. We should look at this not as “loyal=good, disloyal=bad”: but instead recognize that the Northerners are going to be stuck between enemies, and that their first obligations are to their peoples, not to the Starks.
Well, those who do go up against the Boltons basically are revolting against Kings Landing. Tommen (or perhaps Joffery), or people acting in one of their names, appoint the Wardens. The locals can like it or lump it. Here, some of them might be lumping it.
However, one thing to note is that it would be the Wardens job to organize the people in his ward given invasion of any sort or another. In the books, Ned is realizing that he probably is going to have to rally the North against Mance, as Ned strongly suspects that Mance is the cause of the problems behind the Wall and that Mance intends to invade Westeros. Technically, it’s now Ramsay’s job to rally the North against invasion.
Lmao! Or the Dingo ate it…
Or the horse ran off with the Bolton dog pack.
Exciting photos this week!
I can’t believe Ladle Bitch is following Marjory around like a human house arrest ankle bracelet.
Sunday won’t be here fast enough.
The return of the Blackfish has me unbelievably excited. Of course, being a Stark father figure, he’ll probably be killed this season.
ems,
What does she know and do? I can guess but nice to have confirmation. When they introduced her through the response to Stannis and noted her name I had a hunch she would turn out to be of some importance.
Ramsey wrote to him that she was “poisoned by our enemies” 🙂
🙂
For anyone holding out Stoneheart hope, this quote from GRRM himself will probably not be music to your ears: http://winteriscoming.net/2016/06/01/george-r-r-martin-confirms-something-important-about-lady-stoneheart/
Jaqen did say that one way or another a face will be added to hall, perhaps he does not care who dies only that someone must die. The Faceless Men, have a strange sense pragmatism.
I don’t think they will go after Arya if she has killed the Waif, or rather I doubt they will pursue her within Westeros. I don’t think this is a final test for Arya, more likely it was a final test for the Waif, if gets killed by Arya then she just wasn’t good enough. Or it could be a test for both, for Arya it finally shows that she will never be No One, and for the Waif might also be a test of her skills attitude. One of them will die, it seems like it does not particularly matter to the Faceless men who will ultimately die.
Names could be removed from Arya’s list, it does not mean that she will personally get to kill those people. Most of the people who have been removed from her list wasn’t killed by her personally.
It will be good to have her back in Westeros.
I must admit that Northern storyline is frustrating me a little bit to some degree.
It is obvious that Sansa and Jon would have some points against them, but look at who they are going up against, the worst person/ bastard within Westeros.
He has already begun to flay minor Lords. There is no way that Ramsay would be of any help during the Winter.
Ramsay will do what he wants and he would kill whoever he wants. He already killed his father, stepmother and brother. If he can kill his own family like that, then you have no guarantees, and everyone in the North knows that he is is responsible for killing his family. On top of it the Boltons are also responsible for a lot of Northern deaths.
Really the coming winter alone should make them want to get rid of Ramsay, he would rather kill someone and feed that person to his dogs, then to feed someone.
The Bolton army was already very strong last season, did he really need the biggest allies in the north? A fight between those Bolton forces and the Wildlings could have been more than enough. I perfectly understand why the Karstark would join Ramsay, but the Umbers could just as easily have used Rickon to blackmail Jon against the wildlings, rather than going to Ramsay.
But all of these details doesn’t really matter that much, the problem is more about the scenario that they setting up and recreating here.
They are creating a very regular battle, something that they have done before something that they have actually with done every big battle so far.
One force struggles and almost loses, and then a third party comes to the rescue. The Starks will struggle and they will almost be completely lost until the Vale arrives to save the day.
It has already been established that Southern armies tends to suffer in the North during winter time, if the Vale arrived refreshed at this battle it will be a bit of a contradiction. They are also not really supposed to just get past Moat Caillin.
There is obviously some justifiable question marks against Jon and Sansa, but the North don’t really have any realistic reason to support Ramsay before the Starks. Fear is a good motivator against Ramsay but ultimately he is just too unstable. There is nothing to indicate that Ramsay wouldn’t just torture and kill them off at some stage.
They may not believe that Jon was resurrected, but he could still show them his wounds and tell them about the assassination attempt. Jon also has the letter of Ramsay as proof of his intentions. Even if Jon was still in the Nights Watch it would not be too strange for him to go around within the North and try to enlist some support against Ramsay’s threats.
Jon and the leaders of the Nights Watch before him also sent out many letters asking for support against the Wildings. No one in the North tried to help or offer any support, thus Jon dealt with the Wildlings with the tools that was available to him at the time. They know perfectly well that Jon has asked for support.
It wouldn’t be easy for anyone to believe that the White Walkers are back, most people wouldn’t believe it. Most people also don’t believe in giants, they have Wun Wun. Even if the people still dont believe in the White Walkers after seeing Wun Wun, it might still give them a bit of pause. It shows that there at least might be some truth to some of these ancient stories.
Sansa could just claim that she was betrayed by Littlefinger and that he sold her to the Boltons.
They might have question marks against Jon and Sansa, but they also have some proof to support what they are saying.
The support between the different houses could be handled a bit more subtly. Right now it is all very straight forwardly, a strong unbeatable Bolton force, with the biggest houses in the North, against the delipidated Stark force, that includes Wildlings and a few people from some small houses.
While on the other hand it feels like they are trying to add almost too much intrigue in order to delay Cersei’s trial within Kings Landing. They are dragging out her big moment of vengeance until episode 10.
And then there is Jon, they haven’t done anything with his resurrection. They could just as well have let Jon receive Ramsay’s letter and he could have left the Night Watch, by his own choice without being killed. That would actually/ have resulted in more character development then having him killed off and be brought back from the dead. His resurrection isn’t even giving him the support of the Wildlings. It sometimes just seems like the Starks have to work to hard for any support, it becomes a bit repetitive.
He is suppose to have a big story this season, but he has barely spoken a few words. Which might imply that they are treating his season in a similar fashion to season 4. He did not do much until the Battle of the Wall. We will again likely see more of action Jon then anything else. It was great to finally have a Stark reunion, but I am not sure that they the time or the material to develop both Sansa and Jon at the same time. Perhaps it would have better if they had kept their stories separately.
But all of this properly sounds a lot more critical than I really meant to imply. I also know that you sometimes need a bit of patience in this show. It is really difficult for them to move forward with all of these different plot lines.
I do hope that this episode will show some of the interesting dynamics that is at play in the North.
Watch Black Death, he’s pretty grim in that. It’s got Sean bean in it too!
HotPinkLipstick,
It wasn’t really nonsense though. The debate wasn’t purely speculative but fueled by an interview Sophie gave and a line by one of the D’s from “inside the episode.”
That would make little sense from a storytelling pov.
The faceless are supposed to be the most sought after Assassins in asoiaf. How would the death of Arya/the Waif instead of Lady Crane satisfy the person who has paid the faceless for their service?
Unless there was never a contract and Jaqen made it all up as a test for Arya.
We have never been told why Ser Joer Mormont joined the NW. Perhaps he knew something, and consequently his niece also knows it.
Boudica,
I agree with almost everything you say. Jon’s resurrection seems almost purposeless right now. It would have been better for Jon’s character development, if he had decided to leave the NW after getting the PL without all this death and resurrection drama, (or maybe just have him be wounded badly after his NW brothers attacked him) which only served to give him a convenient out from his vows and nothing else.
And yeah, the Vale army arriving at the last minute to save the day would be too similar to Tywin/Tyrells’ arrival at Blackwater and Stannis’ arrival at the Wall. This would mean all 3 battles on the show so far would have ended the same way. That’s why I hope there is some other twist here.
Still, the Northern storyline has been my favorite so far.
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
Boudica,
I agree with you. A lot of the obstacles feel forced and Ramsay has been ridiculously overpowered. I’m pretty upset as well with how they handled Jon’s post-resurrection arc so far. I’m hoping Jon gets something to do besides swing a sword in the coming episodes. Maybe the possible arrival of Bran will give Jon more character development (but that won’t happen this season for sure). I’m pretty annoyed LF is being shoved into this storyline too.
He’ll have to say something. First off, he’ll have to explain why he technically isn’t a watch deserter and hence shouldn’t be beheaded. 🙂
Flayed Potatoes,
The picture of Jansavos shows Jon in the middle and he seems like the one talking. Let’s hope he’s being presented as the leader/general of this campaign and that he’d have some compelling things to say.
I said this too in another thread! I’d be really disappointed if they do this again for this battle. Also, I’m afraid they’d make it look like it’s LF & Vale army who “won” the battle. I think that’s what LF is planning to do – make Jon’s army take the hit and then swoop in at the last minute to “rescue” them. But, I hope he fails. I’d like to see people recognizing that Jon/Sansa were the ones who prevailed over Ramsay, not some outsiders like LF and the Vale. But then, this is GOT so…
Funny, I was busy at work and didn’t see these until this morning and what was the first thing I said? BRONN!!!! Pics are amazing and I’m soooooooo hyped too:)
ghost of winterfell,
I was always under the impression he will be revived because he’s one of those 3 prophetical icons , not just simply as a means to get out of the NW.? So either the show is going a different route so as not to spoil things for Martin’s readers, prophecy is not real and are simply exaggerated stories handed down through many generations (I think GRRM alluded to this being the case?) or we’re going to have watered down Jon up until the very last season when voila his sword lights up in glorious flames. I feel like such a nerd wanting that to happen. Actually I don’t even know if I still want it to happen. Just when I first started watching and then read about it I thought it would be cool to see later on, from a character building POV, not just for the visuals, if that makes any sense.
Jon/sansa/fqvos is interesting
Would imagine different ones would take the lead with different Lords, except Mel perhapd but i reckon she comes to the fore as any Targ ancestry of Jon comes to fore
And Tormund with Wildlings
All with awkwatrd angles, eg Jon as yo whether he’s a Watch deserter, Davos as to him serving Stannis.and being a Southron and Sansa as to being Sansa Lannister or Sansa/Lady Bolton given er, her husband is now Lord Bolton and Lannister/Baratheon Warden of the North…
Mel is missing in the preview and the pictures. I wonder if she’s still with Jansavos. She’d become so meek and melancholic and understandably so, given her tragic mistakes with Stannis. She and Jon need to form a support group soon!
Who else could it be? ?
I too am surprised at how little focus there has been on Jon up to now but Kit has said that a) he was on set for this season more than any other cast member and b) there is one episode which is basically Jon’s story.
Therefore what with the battle in Ep9 and probably Ep10 being his story, (which are also very long episodes) plus he’s reappearing in Ep7, it seems that the lack of Jon is about to change.
What I would like to see – LF thinks he has successfully divided Jon and Sansa, and that Sansa will see him as the savior after the battle, only to be faced with a
united Jon and Sansa in the Winterfell Godswood. (The shot in the trailer where he looks like he has seen a ghost) and he realizes that whatever plans he had for Sansa and the North have failed miserably. But this is GOT, so probably exactly the opposite happens 🙂
ygritte,
The way the show has presented the prophecies makes me think we should not take any of them very seriously. So no idea if we will see any flaming swords 🙂
Regarding Jon yes, he will be important in the end game along with Dany and Bran.
i don’t think you read what i wrote . or more likely u didn’t get that what i wrote was , me saying/replying why he wouldn’t of known about the need to have VS swords , what u should of done was send what u wrote to the guy i was replying to , as what u say is backing up what i said to other guy, why Tyrion wouldn’t of known that he going to need to have VSswords because he doesn’t understand the treat that the ww pose , which is what the other guys said he gets gendry to make VSsword for danny , when i think it more likely it be making for night warth because they know ww threat and know that VS kill ww so would have purpose to make them ,as tyrion purpose only calls for normal sword .so he would just get made normal ,no reason he would pay exstreame/prob work out like 30 times price of normal sword for 1 vs sword (depending on price to get material needed or time ot craft ) just so army can look good with vs swords . i hope this comes accross as nice .
Sorry. It’s a hard habit to break. #chicago But searching for your name is quite useful for finding where you left off reading, too.
for me (keeping my hope up little longer) i think the broken man going to be about Hodor. we only lost him 2 episodes ago and the last one follows right after the one before it . and we learn that u can save a man /benjen from death after being killed and mid of being turned, this has all happen in the same day as hodor death scene (going by fact MEERA wouldn’t of been able to drag him for that long so must happen straight after). so i think bran know knowing this way to save and thinking of hodor going out same way, tries and succeeds in making warg contact with hodor almost dead and he puls out dragon glass he made hodor take from Sam at the wall . also for fact that raven sent for him .guessing raven did indeed know what would happen to hodor , this prob also accounts for the all of a sudden appearance of his uncle , just like the sudden appearance of the dead army . both just happen but were set in motion a while ago.
Ravyn,
i think because that we are past the point in where bran has his powers so that from now on the good people will not die(without it being a hero sacrifice) , its all being turned around to make the ending that bran will be happy with( men winning over the dead). time for the bad to lose and the good to win, unlike before where it was good lost bad win .
Sam,
that and a lot more ……hopefully ……..
Jack Bauer 24,
Im still hoping she wont take the dortraki to westeros
I see where Simon is coming from. There is a moment near the end of the play, where PlayCersei is truly distraught, that Arya abruptly stops laughing and looks truly serious, contemplative, almost empathetic. When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position and doing such an excellent job of it that she impresses the professional actress: “Do you like pretending to be other people?”
But I’m not certain I’d call it empathy. I’m thinking that, being a Faceless Man in Training, Arya has not truly learned to become No One, but she has learned more about becoming Any One. You must understand who you want to become: you think like them, you dress like them, you walk and talk like them #baloo, you act like them, and you feel like them. Even if you don’t take their face, becoming your enemy and understanding your enemy is a useful tool in defeating your enemy #ender.
Arya does seem to be on an arc toward becoming less vengeful, as well. She’s empathasized with the Hound, at the very least. Her list is shorter. She’s not quite done with vengeance yet, and she’ll likely put her newly acquired assassin skills to good use before she is, but evidence of such an arc exists.
ghost of winterfell,
hmm, I think the resurrection will also come in to play with Melly and Jon being the prince who was promised… so going forward with the war against the long night, there will be focus on jon being the one to beat them.
Josla,
well now that he has gotten the king to say to everyone they are equal (twin pillars of the world) he will turn to bring king down leaving just 1 pillar the faith .by proving Cersei guilty in lose of trail by combat , is also way gods saying the lies about her si/ kids are true which is why god let cersei die.
Halfman,
can we get him in episode 8 as well??? pleeeeeeeeeeeease
ghost of winterfell,
ugh
im so over LF
Okay, you guys combining character names like Jansavos, Jonsa, etc- you know that’s a shipping thing, right? It’s not just characters hanging out together. When you see names combined like that in fandom, it means you want them in a sexual or a romantic relationship. 🙂
Sue the Fury,
So a threesome? Nice. hahaha
I actually never thought of Jonsa as sexual. Gross!
I wont be using it again!
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
Left up to me, that’s a big Yes!! 🙂
Halfman,
oh I hope sooo
Wimsey,
He’ll probably shrug and ask “which one was she?” And then he’ll go: “Well, that probably fed a lot of dogs, then.”
Get outta here with this mess. If (not sure how he hasn’t yet) Walder found out his grandson (potential heir to WF) was eaten by dogs he’d NEVER EVER forget it. Robb broke a betrothal and got his mom, wife, unborn child and himself killed. Walder’s venom has been pointed out too many times for a fat joke and complete disinterest as you suggest.
Dee,
Terribly sorry i was meant as a reply to your comment about Jon .
The main question is if Jon will be the one to beat them or if collective effort will be required for them to be destroyed. I do believe that he will be one of the main coordinators of the main offensive against the WW. Of course he will participate in the final battle, he’s an excelent swordman who is in the position of a Valyrian steelsword.
Now on the TPTW issue, i read on the ASOIAF wiki
, or something to that effect. Thing is the ressurection by itself should not qualify him as such, wasn’t Beric Dondarrion ressurected about half a dozen times? Also we must keep in mind that prophesy is oftenly misinterpreted willingly and unwillingly by those who read or believe them, so it could actually mean something entirely different than what we currently think. An obvious example of this would be if Melissandre was present during the birth of Dany’s Dragons or during the burning of the Khals then she would’ve jumped on the “Dany is TPTW” bandwagon.
That seems odd. GRRM carefully avoids spoiling the show, as he should. I am not very trusting of a third-hand report, so this hardly impacts my estimate of the odds that she will appear. Anyway, we will know in a few weeks.
Myrmidon,
The other thing with prophecy is that they are often written by the unhinged, addled and mischievous.
Dee,
Haha you’re funny 🙂 The brief visual that popped into my head with the word threesome and these character, not a pleasant one lol
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
Simon,
True! I would also add the politicaly shrewd who want to help establish and or maintain their power to that mix- take Pythia’s prophecies for example and how many sucessful deeds were afterwords attributed in part to how a divinity favored a person.
Myrmidon,
no I totally agree with you… it is not a given that he is the prince that was promised. but as it stands Melly thinks he is. I am just saying that avenue should and will be explored more (so there is more to his resurrection then releasing him from his vows)
I definitely think it will be a collective effort
Chad Brick,
Gods I hope not.
Indeed
ygritte,
LOLS
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individuals in his family. Yes, “Frey” is important to him: but not any one of them in particular.
The question is: what is Jon’s reaction going to be when he learns the “why” of the Walkers? They are not some arbitrary “evil”: they are basically formers slaves who rose against their masters and their masters’ enemies. Jon showed unusual willingness to put himself in his enemies shoes with the Wildlings: that is going to be important.
Of course, the character for whom this will be most important is Daeny. The Walkers biggest analog are the Unsullied. And Daeny has just as much of a “Saving People Thing” as Jon does.
Incidentally, it is not that
Or at least that is how I read it!
Some day, someone should do a study on the evolution of net-speak.
Indeed! That is a really good point. We sort of joked about how this would go over in the past. Northerners must hear a lot of great lies from NW deserters. “I’m dead: but I got better” probably would top the list. (One could see them sitting around exchanging “The best lie I ever heard before I nicked off his head” stories….)
So, we have one NW deserter bastard who betrayed the realm by letting the enemy walk through the gates, and one woman who twice has married the enemy. They might be accompanied by a witch who decries all gods but hers to be either false or demons, and who keeps asking “are you doing anything with your daughter” later while eying fires. All we need now is for it to be revealed that Davos was running a white slavery ring in the North and goes out of his way to urinate on weirwood trees.
Ménage à trois. Cool. And neither Jon nor Davos are Sansa’s two living husbands. She’s got a fully fledged harem. Sansa really is a boss ass bitch this season.
The odd thing is that if Jon’s suspected parentage had been known (assuming that most of us are correct, anyway), then nobody would think twice about the two of them marrying in that world. Of course, they also would not have been raised as siblings.
We also have to learn just what happened to the first prince to understand what the full implications of this are. Neither books nor show has been very forthcoming about that. (Even the book provides only two different vague summaries, with some important differences but more important commonalities.)
But, I tend to agree: the Prince will be a duality or a trinity. Babylon 5 did something like this but over time: there was The One: but the One that Was, the One that Is, and that One that Will Be. (B5 also was written by an atheist raised by Catholics: funny how this sort of thing happens!)
Dee,
I agree with that but I do believe that there won’t be time for that in this season, given how much packed his storyline is with him and Sansa reclaiming the north. Maybe next season then?
Ginevra,
They have been numb and got around to it by watching too much Cercei and Jaime. “No big deal, its just incest, Cercei does it”
Chad Brick,
Like I said yesterday, I would take any thirdhand report like this with a huge grain of salt. People have a way of exaggerating or misunderstanding what GRRM says, and I don’t consider this source valid enough to report on, frankly.
D&D have said it. Michelle Fairley has said it, over and over. It isn’t really a spoiler, except that fans refuse to believe it no matter who says it or how often.
Clearly we need to start “shipping” Sansa and Daeny. Clearly, men just don’t do enough for them!
😀
Wimsey,
Walder seems very indifferent to and even contemptuous of the individual
True. The child was no longer an individual though. He was a Frey claim to WF.
Some people ship Jon and Sansa, I don’t really care since I’ve seen it all in fandom, and well, we watch a show where a sibling couple is canon. But yeah, skip the combined names if you’re not talking about shipping!
But… but.. those were the two most important pages in the umpteen thousand pages of the books so far!
😀
At any rate, if LSH ever was going to appear, then it would have been this season. That has not happened. My suspicion is that LSH simply will never be that important in the tale: at most, she’ll be a plot device that can be (and possibly already has been) easily replaced.
Myrmidon,
I don’t think we will see that this season either, though I was hopping for another conversation regarding his resurrection , because its quite a big thing.
Wimsey,
Im definitely interested in the back story.
Sue the Fury,
Thank you for the heads up!
Ginevra,
But they lied about Jon also?
(I don’t want that character in the show – so hope she doesn’t appear)
Wimsey,
She is important, if Jaime is important , she is.
No, he would not have been a Frey claim. In this world, he is a Bolton, and no Freys would be put in line for inheriting Winterfell in anyway – if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys. All this would possibly do is provide cousins who ruled both Winterfell and Riverrun, which often made for easier alliances. And, of course, given that Ramsay was legitimized, Walder’s grandson(s) would be in line behind Ramsay and his sons.
At any rate, we also have to keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories. They would hear the one that Ramsay put out of course. They would hear other, darker stories of course: but in this world, there would always be other, darker stories around any such death. Moreover, as there is no reason why anyone in the south would know what a psycho Ramsay is, Walder would not have any prior evidence for this. (Yes, Show!Walder knows that Ramsay torched Winterfell: but one would not extrapolate going Carthage on an enemy with later feeding his step-mother and half-brother to the dogs; after all, Tywin Lannister would have done the former without surprising anyone, but it would have shocked people if he had harmed a true-born Lannister half-brother.)
My other bet is that Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this! Yeah, that’s a shocker….. 😀
Sue the Fury,
We could just call them the “I’ve Slept With Enemies” (ISWE) alliance. That would be in contrast to the “We Hate Each Other” alliance in Kings Landing, or the “Have Dragons Will Return” alliance in Essos.
I’m with Mel on this one: Jon is TPTWP and AAR. And I’m not alone in that theory. Based on the poll BBF did this summer, 59.3% of us thought Jon was AAR:
Even though, as BBF says, Jon won a plurality on every site, he didn’t win a majority on every site, with only 38.9% of Westeros.org believing Jon is AAR. The other sites were within 3% of exactly half believing Jon was AAR.
So much explaining to do! I really wonder how they would be able to convince these houses (short of having wights walk into these meetings).
Oh no. I used Jansavos mainly because I was lazy to type all their names. Not proud to say that. From now on I’ll just use Team Stark to refer to them. 🙂
There is always a fine-line to walk here. In particular, cinema/TV works by the rule “show, don’t tell.” Now, they do have a device for showing what really happened. However, what is almost as important here is what people believe happened. And that can be done only with speaking.
I suppose that what they can do is just have Bran see it, and then show us that Jon, Daeny, etc., know it after being with Bran. That will tell the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) that the conversations happened without boring the audience (well, most of it! 😀 ) with the actual conversation.
Still, at some point, the main characters themselves have to reach some “put themselves in the grand scheme of things” moment where their own life-histories make it all work for them. At least I hope so: there is always the chance that this could degenerate into a typical epic fantasy where it’s a plot moment, not a character moment that makes all the difference.
My bet is that it is going to take wights, to be honest. Right now, I think that the challenge is: convince Northerners that Boltons are bigger enemies than are Wildlings. And that would be really tough: yes, the Boltons have bad recent history, but they have co-existed with Boltons for centuries, whereas they never have co-existed with Wildlings, and Wildlings make Boltons look quite tame.
But as for the White Walker stories, well: Northerners might believe that they once existed (unlike southerners): but actually seeing wights would be a shocking “good grief: the old stories really are true!” moment for them, sort of like actually finding Excalibur would be for us. The one realistically possible exception to this is House Mormont: because the Old Bear was from that House. (That house has one other big plus for Team I Sleep with Enemies: Bear Island rarely if ever has Wildling problems, being instead subject to Iron Born problems.)
Wimsey,
Maybe they shouldn’t have burned those 4 LCslayers! Would have come in handy had they turned into wights!
Yes, you are correct. If that were the only evidence, we wouldn’t know. But Jon was dead for 1 entire episode. Catelyn has been dead for 27 full episodes. She was only alive for 29 full episodes, and she only appeared in 25 episodes. She’s spent three years lying in a river. There would be no flesh left.
Dee,
Hm but in reality is it? Or do we as an audience deem it so for Jon is portrayed as a hero in this tale? I mean Beric Dondarrion has been ressurected half a dozen times , shouldn;t he be deemed more important? If he wasn’t then why does he keep coming back,what’s so special about him? But we are not particularly fond of him , he is just a minor character whom we briefly met during the 3rd season whilst Jon is one of the main characters so we are bound to think that there’s something extraordinary about it . Mind you I wouldn;t be surprised if it was just an act to show off Rhillor’s power.
The real question is if Mel and Thoros can have such powers whilst being ordinary priests what can High Priesess like Kinvara do ,given the opportunity ;).
Myrmidon,
Mel is a high priestess as well no ?
And regarding Jon, yes again, I agree with you. But The people surrounding Jon don’t know about Beric… so what I meant was it is a big thing to the people around him – or at least it should be. And yes Mel does know that Beric came back many times, but she DID say to Jon he was the prince who was promised. So, to her, it is also a big thing.
Mel has changed though, she is now just following Jon around, rather than tell him what to do. She learnt from her mistakes.
As McInnerny is playing Glover, I think it is likely that Glover was this casting notice:
http://watchersonthewall.com/game-of-thrones-casting-for-another-season-six-lord
Wimsey,
No, he would not have been a Frey claim.
Good luck explaining that to Walder.
if Roose’s line failed, then some other Boltons would inherit the place, not Freys.
Unless Sansa’s pregnant, then Ramsay is the last Bolton. Kill him and it’s fair game.
keep in mind that the Freys would hear multiple stories.
I am not buying the different stories/whispers. Smalljon didn’t buy it. Why would Walder? Father, Mother and baby all die within a short time? Maybe one Walder’s sons buy but Walder has been billed as cunning and too clever. He’s paranoid too.
Walder is not going to live long enough to worry about any of this
Kill them off before they ask too many questions (see Dorne for details).
That’s my rant for the day.
Jon Snow the prince that was promised? What has he got going in his story as evidence for this belief? Its Daenerys.
A passage from ‘A Feast for Crows’
‘On Braavos, it had seemed possible that Aemon might recover. Xhondo’s talk of dragons had almost seemed to restore the old man to himself. That night he ate every bite Sam put before him. “No one ever looked for a girl,” he said. “It was a prince that was promised, not a princess. Rhaegar, I thought… the smoke was from the fire that devoured Summerhall on the day of his birth, the salt from the tears shed for those who died. He shared my belief when he was young, but later he became persuaded that it was his own son who fulfilled the prophecy, for a comet had been seen above King’s Landing on the night Aegon was conceived, and Rhaegar was certain the bleeding star had to be a comet. What fools we were, who thought ourselves so wise! The error crept in from the translation. Dragons are neither male nor female, Barth saw the truth of that, but now one and now the other, as changeable as flame. The language misled us all for a thousand years. Daenerys is the one, born amidst salt and smoke. The dragons prove it.’
Dee,
Nope, both HBO’s viewers guide and the ASOIAF wiki describe her as a red priestess and tbh with you i do think that if she was a high priestess she wouldn’t just be roaming around alone, she would have minor priests or someone with her. Back in season 3 Thoros revealed that he was sent to Westeros in order to preach about the Lord of Light and convert nobles and commoners alike, maybe Mel was sent in a similar mission?
Mel was in such a horrid place after she found out that her interpretations of her visions were dead wrong so I do believe that she wants to believe in something to help her get through the day so Jon’s ressurection came in handy.
Now has she? Sure she is still under shock from what happened last season but hat didn’t stop her from trying to find another candidate for the “Chosen One” title so soon which makes me think that she has a few things left to learn. True she has taken the backseat for now but let’s wait and see what happens when she gains her confidence back.
Dee,
Kinvara (red priestess from episode 5) is the High Priestess of the Lord of Light. So it’s not Melisandre.
Myrmidon,
Markus Stark,
Interesting
I didn’t think there could be only one.
Knight of the Walkers,
That casting notice didn’t specify a Northern accent, which all the other casting notices for Northern lords have, so I don’t think that’s Glover (that part also shot over two weeks).
h haven’t read the books , after reading what u said , salt being tears, and adding smoke being smoke from a funeral fire a pyre is it called i think. Jon was born this way surrounded by tears of loss of mother and smoke from her pyre. also Tyrion was born this way ,death of mother for tears and smoke form pyre( atm there been no priestess help tyrion thinking he TPTWP yet but they do seem attracted to him maybe something to come ). it might all of been set up in the past to make it so the red women and priestess would look for TPTWP and in so get lead to help Jon in set up for things to come. and also help Danny get her setup for things to come . i don’t think we will ever see some godlike person , was just a big trick played to pull them into service . in the end i think it gonna be Jon leads with the north( and green dragon) Tyrion will lead lannister men i think thats the east (on a golden yellow dragon) and dany on her dragon leading the rest ,
BranTheBlessed,
the young actress goes to the house of black and white and is like why isn’t that target been killed yet ? Jaqen replies death is certain a time is not lol.
Dee,
Well she is presented as the Flame Truth, the Light of Wisdom and the First Servant of the Lord of Light. So it definitely makes it sound as though she is the leader of the religion, if she is the First Servant, there can’t be another.
Plus she says she will summon her most eloquent priests, so clearly ordinary priests work under her. Melisandre doesn’t have anyone working under her, plus she’s all the way in Westeros, and has been there working alone for years. The High Priestess would probably be in Volantis most of the time, as that is where the main temple of the Lord of Light is.
And I guess someone has to be the leader right ?
But of course I could be mistaken, it’s just my interpretation 🙂
HeHeldThatDoor,
I would say that Ramsay hurt Theon the most.
Markus Stark,
You’re not mistaken, your analysis is spot on and it coincides with both the wiki and HBO’s viewers guide.
Markus Stark,
interesting! I like it!!
What Dany missing is vision, she has charizma for be a leader, but long-term vision and strategie … Nahh… What after she conquers the seven kingdoms? She can’t even have descendants as far as we know. She’ll take what it’s hers, for after her death, to give to someone else. For now she is the only knowing living Targaryan. She want to take Westeros to rule with no plan for after; Yes , maybe Jon is one of them but again it isn’t in her knowledge. But with the chaos in the Seven kingdoms and plus with the winter comming from the nord, she has still a part to play and becomes savior it’s just the perfect moment. I think she won’t rule, she’ll die during the battle with the Others, that goes well with what we saw on the show with her vision, she goes to King’s Landing (after Cersei burned it) then she’ll fight the Others ’till the nord and there she will ”rejoin” khal Drogo. She’ll be the conqueror but not the ruler. And as George R.R. Martin ispiration is real history than we can see clearly that she’s going to die. Veni vidi vici goes well with the caracter of Daenerys but as in real history no one who dreamt of ruling the whole world finished by doing it. So yes possibly she is Azor Ahai, the one who will save the world, but that it’ ll be it. She won’t be the queen who ll rule.. Better sweet end. Just my opinion, maybe i’m wrong . Sorry for the bad English , it’s not my tongue maternel.
I’m thinking that Robett Glover is bringing some bad news to the Starks. Maybe something went down at Castle Black. His face in the trailer looks more sad than “fuck your house I’m staying in mah motte.”
BranTheBlessed,
Thats kinda what i thought, Jaquen made up the contract. How could this b grade actress in a play afford the Faceless Men. But i also think its lame if Arya just kills the Waif and is set free. The FM dont seam like a group you can be brought into and just leave when you’ve had your run with it. She knows their secrets, she is a liability. I think her face will have to end up on the wall in the long run. Maybe Jaquen lets her complete her quest to take her out quietly in the end, once she has found peace.
Sean C.,
It doesn’t specify that no, but I think there is a reasonable chance that it is him (not that it matters). We’ve only got four episodes left, and we definitely haven’t had a scene with the actor from the casting description yet. Some features (e.g. haggard) definitely fit, and I think McInnerny meets a lot of the other requirements too. Personally I think it is him, but as I said it doesn’t really matter either way (although if it isn’t him I guess we’ll have another great scene to look forward to later on in the season as it was described as the best remaining part ).
New pictures at:
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery7/gallery.htm
Nothing spectacular …
More photos from ep 7!! From a Greek site:
http://m.oneman.gr/keimena/diaskedash/watchlist/game-of-thrones/14-fwtografies-apo-to-epomeno-game-of-thrones.4095017.html
Great photos, damn.
Rhaenys Stark,
Wow, how did they get hold of them? I know for a fact that the guy who writes the reviews has connections in the US but even so it seems a bit weird that they would be the first to release them
Hoyti Von Totiy,
AMAZING photos!
My girls are gonna go cray cray for Jamie LOL
That shot of Riverrun is beautiful, too bad it’s really blurry.
Can we discuss Marg’s new CONSERVATIVE dress.
And Cersei’s ‘Youre all dead meat” face.
Myrmidon,
Glorious shot of Riverrun that isn’t posted at farfaraway!!!
Mmmmm… armor.
I wonder who did the bloodying, Blackfish or Jaime and Bronn?
Please let it be the back of Jaime’s gold hand.
Dutch Maester,
Yep ,that’s what made me wonder.
Myrmidon,
Yeah I have no idea my boyfriend visits this site often and saw them a little while ago. Is this castle Riverrun? It looks glorious.
Are you Greek too, Myrmidon? 😀
Rhaenys Stark,
Yes it is. We saw it once in the distance in 3.03, but this is obviously a much better view 😀
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/0c/Riverrun.png/revision/latest?cb=20150407004747
And it also greatly resembles its depiction in the opening credits (thinking about it, we’ll probably see it pop up again between KL and WF!)
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/0/02/Riverrun_Title.png/revision/latest?cb=20130416082431
GeekFurious,
Armor really is great. This might be a good forum for you, if you enjoy it as much as I do.
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/armour-of-game-of-thrones.226810/
Still Jamie is back to being his old asshole season 1 self. A few punches to Walders face don`t amend for him going back to Cersei like a dog…
What they are doing to Jamies storyline arc… im hoping they kill him off this season before it gets worse. We know Freys and Lannisters will celebrate taking Riverun later in the show as seen in the trailers. Maybe Jamie dies there with his Frey friends….
It’s going to take me a few moments to recover from those Jaime shot. JFC.
HotPinkLipstick,
bahahahaha I knew it
hence my earlier comment
THX for this!
When i see how armored Lannister and Tyrell soldiers are, Starks in their pure leather outfits look weak, same as Freys.
Rhaenys Stark,
Oh I see! Between us wouldn’t be surprised if Thodoris pulled some strings .
Could be Riverrun , the architecture is reminiscent of the buildings we briefly saw back in season 3.
Yep but I was raised in the States so I consider myself to be American as well!
Hoyti Von Totiy,
so bring back blackfish and edmure only for them to die
#annoying
Hoyti Von Totiy,
As someone who hasn’t read the books, I have no idea why everybody keeps saying Jaime is Cersei’s lapdog or w/e.. Doesn’t seem like that to me at all.
Do i remember correctly from the books that Riverrun has the capability to flood the area around the castle in a defensive state so there is only one way in and out?
The photos of Ayra on a flight of steps reminded me of something I saw from filming leaks. It tells me what’s happening next in that scene, so I will put it in spoiler tags.
I think they had photos from NOVA(Is the channel who broadcast GOT in Greece) !!!! I love Oneman ,i always read there summaries from GOT !!!!
I just LOVE this shot of Riverrun, as impressive as I’d hoped. It certainly looks consistent with the S3 split second shot we got, as well as the book description! The set looked amazing too from the photos we saw, so I’m really looking forward to these scenes.
They went to a LOT of trouble building this set for what was apparently only a day and a half shoot, so I’m guessing this is gonna be a crucial scene in some way.
Dee,
Can you blame me? Not only is it some amazing costume porn, it’s Nikolaj in all his glory. The most attractive man in Westeros, newly released from the Kingsguard and possibly looking for a woman.
Let’s hope he finds a tall, ugly one in blue armor who is already familiar with his sword 😉
BlueRoseofWinterfell,
Έλα ρε πατρίδα 😛 We are GoT-obsessed here in Greece.
Could this episode be the one with
BlueRoseofWinterfell</str
Oh I see , makes sense since Theo also works as a freelancer there. Yep his reviews are pretty good, I always check them out every Tuesday although I must admit i donnot visit the website's other sections!
aww look at Jon and Arya connecting to each other through the same hairstyle.
HunterMac87,
That is correct. It’s explained in one of Catelyn’s chapters.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I don’t know if you’ve read the books but the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin. Which means that yes, there will certain traits of how he was in S1 come to the fore again. His story with Brienne doesn’t mean he’s entirely different person. But that doesn’t mean he hasn’t changed either. What I mean to say is: I don’t get what you’re complaining about.
Where’s Jon’s belt and sword? They’re missing
Arya looks like she is on a foreign market somewhere in Braavos, looking for the ride home….
Could that last shot be the Quiet Isle / the Saltpans? The figure in the foreground looks like a septa to me…
Rhaenys Stark,
😀 That’s true for the most part, unfortunately none of my friends watches it 🙁
Well dunno about that but
Jaime looks hawwwt!
Arya and Jon sporting the same hairstyle, even though they are in different parts of the world, is cute.
What I wish to know is, would it kill them to release more than one pic of Jon for an episode!
Sarah Stark,
It’s definitely Riverrun. You can see all the siege camps surrounding it, and those mounted men look like Lannister soldiers.
Dutch Maester,
Cmon thats bulls*it and you know it .
At the end he solves the Blackwood siege peacefully and goes of with Brienne ALONE in the night to “save Sansa from the Hound”…
Here he will refuse to help Sansa…
Μεγάλη αρρώστια το GOT !!!
Where’s Needle?
HunterMac87,
yes indeed!
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I agree with you 100%. I don’t know where this business came from about his Riverlands arc being about becoming Tywin II. It’s nonsense.
Dee,
Agree about Blackfish. But Edmure may live. Jaime and Cersei has no love for Freys, so Jaime might let Edmure keep Riverrun, so long as the Tullys bend the knee to Iron Throne. Freys lost the castle once – if Jaime helps to win it back, he can argue that he will put whoever he wishes as the Lord of Riverrun. Book 4 spoilers:
so Jaime does not care who gets Riverrun as long as they are obedient. Also, I think Edmure is not so disposable for the future story (unlike Barristan or Roose).
I am still holding out hope for Blackfish escaping the siege and joining Sansa (even if it’s after the battle for Winterfell).
Based on Tobias Menzies comment that he got called at the last minute and asked if he could fit them into his schedule, I wouldn’t hold my breath that he’s in the show much, at all.
I’m really hyped for Arya’s story. She really does look like Ned with that hair. I hope she kicks the Waif’s smug arse.
Markus Stark,
That might have something to do with it.
Where is Brienne? Did she die?
Kinvara is the High Priestess of the Red Temple of Volantis. We do not know if there are other High Priests or High Priestesses in the show. Benerro is, in the books, the High Priest of the Red Temple of Volantis, where Kinvara replaces Benerro in the show. This page, http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Kinvara, says that she’s only one of the high-ranking leaders of R’hllor, so there may be other High Priests/Priestesses. I do not believe Melisandre is one of them.
He´s bluffing …
But we are off-topic so we´ll drop the subject.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Kind of you to say. I never said that what he actually DID was what Tywin would’ve done, because it isn’t. You’re certainly right about that. But he is surely struggling with his role and with who he is. He wants to be more like Tywin on the one hand, but realises he can’t on the other. It’s not a black and white “let’s take this character from mindset A to mindset B” situation, as you suggest. He’s conflicted. In the show AND the books, and certainly in AFFC.
WildlingKing,
aabe,
RE Barristan is disposable, like stabbed in an alley by anonymous thugs disposable
*tears* damn dawg
It reminded me of that too! Different location, but as part of a whole scene perhaps? Getting close, anyway! 🙂
Kings landing. – 8 min
Riverrun – 13 min
North – 12 min
Volantis ( greyjoys) – 4 minutes
Meribald and the hound arc- 6 min
Opening – 2 minutes
Credits – 2 minutes
51 minutes
I think is the right time we need.
Dutch Maester,
Yes you’re absolutely right, he’s conflicted and it’s complex, which means your statement that “the entire point of his Riverlands arc is trying to become more like Tywin” is a bit of an oversimplification, as that is clearly not “the entire point”, but merely one of several things going through Jaime’s head.
Ultimately, Jaime’s actions and decisions lead him away from being like Tywin, as you noted, and as Gemma Lannister points out. So if anything, the point of his arc is that he isn’t Tywin.
I actually like the dress. I love the color and texture, if the shape is somewhat lacking. I really like that pendant, too. But the true awesomeness is her tiara, which I may never have noticed before. The simple, delicate mixture of stag antlers and roses is perfection.
Apollo,
Great image of Riverrun!! I’ve always pictured that castle similar to the “Château de Chenonceau” in France: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Chenonceau#/media/File:Chateau_de_Chenonceau_2008E.jpg
Aguero,
It’ll be pretty fucking amazing if Tyrion sits out two episodes in a row this year, but that indeed seems to be the case.
I must say I’m a bit miffed about no Bran this week. I’m a little worried that we may not get back to him and Benjen until the finale.
Kit Hairyton,
Where did you hear this ?
Even the lion on his armor at his neck is straining to stare up at Jaime’s glorious face. (You may have to click on the picture again, after opening it full screen, to see the way the lion’s irises are clearly pointed upward.)
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery7/hires/4.jpg
Markus Stark,
I said trying to. But now that we sort of understand each other let’s just enjoy the fact that we’re even getting his Riverrun story at all.
Markus Stark,
Kit Hairyton,
Would you spoil tag this in future? Please/Thank you
Dhal Krogo,
I read every filming stuff I found.
I don’t remember any such rumors.
Dutch Maester,
Indeed.
Dhal Krogo,
As I didn’t post any spoilers, I’m going to say no. I asked a question. Can’t spoiler tag every time I ask a question or speculate on what might happen. I don’t have any more information than you.
Markus Stark,
You were reacting to an alleged spoiler with obvious comments about it, so yes you should have spoiler-tagged it. I’ve fixed it for you, please be more careful next time.
You should also be covering the book spoilers you’re posting.
Studied it some, have you? Can’t say I blame you. 😉
Ginevra,
Ha ha, even his own armour adores him 😀 You were studying it zoomed in for science of course weren’t you? 😉
Ginevra,
That’s not totally unlikely though. Jon and Sansa were never very close, so they don’t have the same close sibling-relationsship that would keep those kind of feelings from developing. Also, Sansa has red hair, which is something the show has established Jon as liking. Would be a Little weird, but I could see it.
I admit I would have liked to see Brienne’s story unfold a bit more like the books.
I think it could play out similar, with Sansa filling in as the person who makes Brienne “choose”. I think we could see Jaime kill the Blackfish during the siege. Jaime cares about one thing – Cersei and her wants. He is to take back Riverrun and it doesn’t matter who is in his way or what diplomatic hat he tries to put on, he will do it for her. Brienne will be there and witness it. Now does she tell Sansa and, if so, couldn’t you just see Sansa calling for his head? So, the oath is in doubt and the vow of never making her (Brienne) do something that goes against her desire (paraphrasing here) would probably make Sansa lose her shit. Okay, Brienne, you don’t have to kill Jaime but you are now the enemy and enemies hang.
I could definitely see this as part of the cliffhanger.
It also sounds a shitload like fanfic but it has gone into original territory so anything is possible. 🙂
Aguero,
12 minutes doesn’t seem like enough for the north, which will have at least 3 scenes (house glover, bear island, and wildling camp). I imagine the bear island scene should take at least 6 minutes by itself, since we know several characters will be speaking.
Throwback picture just to remind everyone how old Bran is supposed to be:
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery1/gallery1/hires/9.jpg
aabe,
Well I was gonna say – if Blackfish loses… well then, no Tullys backing the starks in the winterfell battle
Aguero,
S P O I L E R S
Ginevra,
I like the dress, I am just saying its conservative – in keeping with her fake “new” conversion to the faith.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
SO CUTE!
That shot of Riverrun is GORGEOUS.
Also, Jaime looks fresh as f*ck.
Sorry Sue!
I should’ve definitely covered the LHS stuff but didn’t realize speculation should be too. Will be sure to in the future!
Does anybody else find it odd that there are two Freys in these scenes (and the introductory scene at the Twins last week)?
With the shows propensity to streamline and consolidate characters, I’m surprised they didn’t just reintroduce one, unless one of them meets a grisly fate soon 😉
I like that they kept the briefly glimpsed season three design for Riverrun.
That’s such an impressive shot. You can see they’re sieging the castle on all sides. Now I wanna see it in full HD.
Totally! I used to live in the Loire valley so I’ve been there several times. Beautiful Chateau! ?
OT:
http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/lifestyle/dyslexic-deaf-actor-joseph-mawle-3940626
Good for him!
Sue the Fury,
Will do, sorry about that.
Another OT:
Sophie is stunning!
http://www.justjared.com/spotlight/sophie-turner-spotlight.html
Those Jaime pictures really give me Season 1 Tywin vibes.
HelloThere,
Anyone spot Cersei and Olenna wearing darker clothes? I think Loras is the broken man and commits suicide in the next episode.
I think Dany will work out the only way to sort Meereen is to get everyone not with the Sons of the Harpy to evacuate and the dragons will raize it to the molten ground. Slavery over- Targaryen style.
Arya will trap the waif into fighting in the dark and win.
Jaime will go rogue and switch sides. He has form.
Dee,
Whoa.
JJ: What would you ultimately like for her?
ST: I want her to get revenge. I want her to avenge her family’s death and everything. But then I kind of want her to die at the end because I want a big death scene. I want her to die and I want Littlefinger to end up on the throne. I don’t really care about anyone else.
So glad they are giving this episode to Cogman.
He is the master of adapting GRRMs best monologues.
The Broken Man Speech has the potential to be my favorite scene in the history of this show.
Isn’t that way too much time for Riverrun? We’re getting it in episode 8 too. This episode may just include Jaime arriving in Riverrun, a talk with Bronn, the Freys and of course the parlay with the Blackfish. I’d be shocked if the scene is longer than 8 or so minutes. Also, the other storylines you listed could well use some of the time you allocated to Riverrun; in particular the North and Brienne.
While I do not dispute what you say, I think it must be tempered with the following:
1) D&D said Jon Snow was dead;
2) HBO said Jon Snow was dead; and
3) Kit Harrington said Jon Snow was dead and wasn’t coming back.
In fact, the purpose of those statements was to deceive fans about the truth to enhance the surprise. So pointing to those same sources as being authoritative on the issue lacks credibility when they have all demonstrated a willingness to actively lie and mislead the audience for a narrative purpose.
If may well be true — and probably is — that Stoneheart is not making an appearance this year or at all. I grant you that, but appeals to higher authority in this specific case are unconvincing.
I suppose LS could just be a vengeful bitch and go off on Brienne anyway, but it lacks any power to accuse Brienne of Oathbreaking when she is actually there at Sansa’s behest. So that part of the tale would have to be changed.
The King!
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery1/gallery2/hires/12.jpg
Gone but not forgotten!
Tycho Nestoris,
I know rright!!!
More beautiful locations…
Horn Hill last week, Riverrun this week…
Great job on the consistently outstanding visuals!
The Creative Arts Emmy Nominations are coming soon, lets hope GoT gets some love – and Ramin Djawadi!!!
Dee,
As talented and beautiful as Sophie is, she’s too wild for humble Tycho. Not that I had a chance or anything.
Red Viper,
Re Ramin Djawadi!!!
No matter what, as long as the opening credits roll I’m hype.
Tycho Nestoris,
LOL!!!! that’s funny!!
Do you think we’ll see Riverrun in the opening credits this week?
Don’t forget the return of Volantis this week with Theon/Yara.
Predictions –
Arya will be pursued by the Waif in a crazy knife fight all across Braavos.
Jack Bauer 24,
Maybe. The problem is they almost never actually manage to show all the locations that do appear in the episode, because they always show KL and Winterfell, even when those locations aren’t featured in the episode, as they do for the Wall, and they very frequently show Braavos and/or Meereen, even when those locations don’t appear (but not all the time).
So honestly their thing about using the credits to show which locations will be appearing in the episode hasn’t always really worked out super well if you ask me.
ghost of winterfell,
I agree. I need a new desktop background.
Look at Arya’s new hairstyle! 🙂
Needs more pictures of Jonny boy.
I was just wondering that! Hope so…when watching last Sunday I got a little sad thinking that we may not have many new locations on there anymore (I’ll hate to lose Braavos!). But there are a couple of possibilities.
Jack Bauer 24,
I hope so! They might include it, since Jaime is a main character.
I was a bit disappointed we didn’t get to see The Twins. 🙁 Maybe later.
Flayed Potatoes,
probably didn’t want to spoil it!
Dee,
They already spoiled it in the “previously on” clips haha
Jack Bauer 24,
Very likely (replacing Vaes Dothrak).
Pigeon,
The only new location on the map we’ll see this year will be Oldtown, I think. They’re not gonna skip a chance to do that one. They might add Highgarden and Casterly Rock in the future, depending on the story, but that’s about it.
Fun fact: So far they’ve done 19 (!!) locations: 12 in Westeros and 7 in Essos. Really cool.
Good catch. I can’t believe the Sue correctly based that it was Robett Glover based only on the “haggard” description being also used for the character in ADWD. Wow.
Apollo,
Awesome!! How I envy you!!
I would love to visit the Châteaux of the Loire Valley!! One day, perhaps… 🙂
I’m pretty surprised that there’s no pics of Tyrion yet. Maybe Dany will arrive in Meereen on Drogon’s back in the next episode and they are withholding it. The rest of the Khalasar could arrive later when the city is in a complete caos.
HotPinkLipstick,
While I must admit, Ser Arthur Dayne will forever be first in my heart, Jaime does look…*sigh*…
So. Damn. Good.
It could also go like this:
King’s Landing 8 mins.
Riverrun and the Riverlands 13 mins.
Braavos 3 mins.
Volantis 5 mins.
The North 18 mins.
Both credits 4 mins.
Dvd C.,
I don’t think 13 min is enough for everything in the Riverlands.
18 seems a bit much for the North, and 3 not enough for Braavos.
In any case the episode will be packed. It’s only 51 minutes too, so I don’t really know why they didn’t give themselves more time for these stories. Seems like they try to fit in a lot in very little time, instead of simply using the 60 minutes that their slot affords them.
burrmall
I thought that as soon as I saw her lighting the candle while holding needle..
Tycho Nestoris,
Wow. Not surprised by most of it. I wonder if her wish for LF on the IT was the cherry on the revenge sundae.
It’s a weird spot to be in. If he says “I can’t comment on that” it reads like he’s saying she is in the show and he just can’t say.
As much as I would love for her to return to the show and be impactful on the story, the likelihood is that it won’t happen. I feel like Hibberd spoiled it years ago with his dumb article that went up like 10 minutes after the season 4 finale trying to explain why no LSH is a good thing. He stated in the article that D&D were not willing to go on record about it which made me think that they did say something to him off the record. Now that was 2 years ago and who knows what might have changed since then but Michelle Fairley was also recently cast in some Starz show as well.
If I were to shake the magic 8 ball on this one, I think it would say “All signs point to NO,” but there’s 4 more episodes of “hope” and I would be very happy to be wrong. If they give me Nymeria and her pack, I will be satisfied 🙂
You don’t read the books right? Out of curiousity, why the strong reaction to a character or plotline you didn’t even read about? Is it just because many people on this site dislike it? Is it a Jon Snow thing? It’s super weird to me that someone would be that vehement about something they’re only vaguely familiar with.
I would be insanely hyped to see her, but I wouldn’t be upset if she never showed up.
The pieces are somewhat coming together… Mostly the report of Thoros filming a hanging scene… but…
I still truly believe she is cut… What purpose would she serve this close to the end game… The moment has passed
Ideally… at the Crossroads Inn/Inn of the Kneeling Man so we can have some more Hot Pie! It’s even on the way to Riverrun for Brienne.
BranTheBlessed,
you think azor ahai/PTWP is ONE particular person?
Kargaryen,
If Dany is set to sail for Westeros by the end of the season then she must arrive at Meereen in 6.07 ,she must solve the Meerenese knot as soon as possible. Then perhaps meet with the Greyjoys ,strike a deal with them and perhaps send Varys on a mission to Dorne to negotiate with Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for a landing site for her armies.
Markus Stark,
Why was I under the impression that there was a High Priest and not a High Priestess? Didn’t Thoros or Melissandre mention something like that back in season 3 (or was it 2)?
Yeah I lived in Orléans (just beautiful) and there are so many gorgeous chateaux there such as Chambord, Sully sur Loire and Anjou as well as amazing scenery and wine too. Funnily, I’m a Stewart and it’s where Mary Queen of Scots lived when she was married to the Dauphin of France and changed the goddamn spelling of the name to Stuart to appease the French! 🙂
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Kill him? Do you want a good third of the fandom to mourn until the end of time??
Kit Hairyton,
Hey, Dee doesn’t do spoilers! Don’t try to corrupt her!
HPL had made basking in Jaime’s light sound like such a good idea, I thought: ooo, let’s savor every inch of him! Natch.
Normally, being raised as siblings and being cousins would be uber-creepy of the likes of step-siblings Boone and Shannon on Lost. But this is Game of Thrones, after all. Even so, I do not see Jon and Sansa as kindred spirits. If Jon is going to hookup with a sister-cousin, it will be Arya.
Sue the Fury,
Girl, you really put some serious work in this site.
For a moment I thought the sword of Lothar Frey was actually Robb’s. From this angle it looked similar. It would have been nice detail, in my opinion.
I can’t wait to see Blackfish in his glory !
Tycho Nestoris,
Jaime will bitchslap Black Walder, who’s taking the place of Ryman Frey.
Laura,
Well, for me (I have not read the written story either) it is just that I would not want to continue to be sidetracked by pointless characters. Pointless as regards the WW.
Plus I hate zombies (and I already have a hard time with all those wights).
J Bolton,
Left (open) handed? I think he goes with the golden back hand. Will vegas will take prop bets on this?
I hope Jaime starts low and slow (even gets some knee bend) then cracks rivers right beneath the eye and catches the bridge of the nose on the follow through.
Sou,
You should decide for yourself if the character is pointless. Don’t base it on the opinions of others. If you only care about WW though then a lot of characters may be pointless to you.
Ginevra,
Actually we’ve seen that he loves Arya like a sister, he’s never marrying her. Sansa feels like a possibility but it might just because kit and Sophie have an unexpected chemistry, sharing the scream for the first time as adults
Tycho Nestoris
I hate that this gives me more ammunition to the Sansa doesn’t REALLY care about Jon suspicion…
Ok, makes sense. Thx for the response 🙂
Nadia,
Sophie is a huge fan of the show. Think of her as a fellow fan, not Sansa. Let her enjoy speculation like the rest of us.
Only someone from our neck of the woods could write a sentence like that. You make me laugh. Thank you. 🙂
It’s kind of amazing to me I ever got past the beginning of the first episode of the show, given it started with Wights, and I can’t stand zombie stuff, either.
Wimsey,
Let’s get through the riverlands plot first. They’re only covering that stuff now.
Another pointer in lsh’s direction is the tec – green screen thermals – used to sell the wights.
If they don’t do it soon they won’t at all but with Benjen turning up the living dead Are clearly going to play some part in the narrative to come – if only as mentors and gate keepers.
Nadia,
LOL what SOPHIE wants isnt necessarily want SANSA wants..
and Sophie has ALWAYS said she wants Littlefinger to be on the throne at the end (just to be different I think)
Except the writers walked right up to that point, and botched it.
In the books, she has to choose between honor and friendship, and she chooses honor. Consequences unknown.
On TV, she had to choose between honor and petty revenge. The choose the nearly-impossible-to-execute petty revenge, gains a cloak of invisibility so it can be pulled off, thinks she gets her revenge but not really because it saved Stannis from being flayed, then dons her cloak of invisibility again and using her telepathic powers, warps to the precise place she needs to be in order to get her honor cherry on top of her revenge cake, despite not having any reason to believe this was even possible at the moment. So whatever “choice” she made was pointless, as the writers gave her both via magic and wormholes. It was definitely one of the worst sequences this season.
As a side note to AGoT bad guys: When you have armies of thousands, don’t send half a dozen to hunt or kill the fleeing Good Guy. This is because half a dozen is the perfect number for a Heroic Rescuer to show up and kill in a Dramatic Rescue Fight. I am looking at you, Ramsay and the Night’s King.
But we are just getting to that part of this season, so how can you judge?
Littlefinger’s Middlefinger,
Thinking the same thing, not much time left.
Wolfish hearts,
You’re a monster (kidding of course).
Yes, Edmure is the Lord of Riverrun. I was talking about until it is officially yielded by him. The BF won’t give in so easily.
Yes, Edmure is Lord of Riverrun. And Riverland’s people, including Blackfish, have to follow his orders.
Chad Brick,
No, Brienne had to choose between honor and honor. She swore an oath to herself and to Catelyn that she would kill Stannis back in season 2.
Not much this season doesn’t mean he can’t return next season.
Young Dragon,
An oath to oneself is not terribly significant; that’s just one’s own desire. And, regardless, there was no consequence for said choice.
People are still talking about that one character from the books?
Kit Hairyton,
Could you please post a link to the the radio times page you mentioned? 🙂
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Hee ditto – didn’t faz me when reading the books, and certainly didn’t bat an eye on the show. Strange ( I have friends telling me I must read World War Z, but they do look at me strange when I tell them I don’t like zombie stories when they know my history with GOT/AOIAF!)
Simon,
I think I know where Mel is. She’s glamouring wights….
I’m kind of worried about Mark Mylod directing those episodes, specially with the next one having 51 minutes only. I have to say the episodes he directed in season 5, eps 3 and 4, were my least favourites of all, and they were very rushed and anticlimactic. Still, I’m very hopeful it will be great.
Concerning Jon and the northern lords not believing that he died, it will be a perfect moment to have this
One of Roose Bolton’s 20 good leeches,
Is it just me or the Frey’s costumes look like cockroaches?
Laura,
Well, good point – I know a little bit about it and
1. I feel like if that were to happen, season 4 would have been better
2. I don’t like what the character represents, and the form she is in
So I feel like it’s just past it … I don’t know
Actually I don’t know much about the consensus of what people think of that character
Flayed Potatoes,
Partially or they were reminding us of the red wedding.. Could have been interpreted in another way you know
Sou,
Thank you ! Haha!
I never read blocked of responses hahahaha
ash,
lmao. I don’t care for zombie driven stories either. The only show/movie I’ve ever enjoyed was Shaun of the Dead. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bi5v143CEAACGny.jpg
Wolfish hearts,
And then they’re gonna kill him off
I really hope not 🙁
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I hate zombies also
But game of thrones episode 1 is way more than that though they make it seem we willl see zombies in every episode because it starts with one
Love it
It would be amazing if Septa Unella was merged with Falyse, so it’s definitely not happening. 🙁
hodor,
I find undeadness more believable the more it happens.
Luka Nieto,
“realist”. Jon will need to make Mel show some magic to convince him of white walkers and resurrections.
Rygritte,
“Alive, yes. Perhaps not entirely…comfortable.”
aabe,
Summer child? Or you think she’s trollin?
Tycho Nestoris,
Shortly before season 3, Sophie was rooting for Robb Stark to win the Iron Throne.
Young Dragon,
Her desire to kill Stannis had nothing to with honor. He was the rightful king, not Renly. Her choice to support Renly’s claim is arguably much more dishonorable than Stannis’ choice to kill Renly who was a traitor according to Westerosi law.
And before anyone calls me a Stannis “fanboy”, let me be clear that I’m simply playing devil’s advocate in order to point out the things I don’t particularly like about Brienne’s story.
Anyway, as I was saying, her desire to kill Stannis was nothing more than personal thirst for revenge. As Sean says, an oath to yourself doesn’t mean much. In fact one could argue that there is no such thing as an oath to yourself. It was just what she selfishly wanted to do, and her oath to Catelyn should have taken precedence.
Regardless, if a character has to chose between two things that they hold dear, there should be some consequences for that choice.
Markus Stark,
Stannis fanboy
It is known
Jk!!!
Interesting points.
“Oaths to yourself” mean nothing and could get you out of any promise.
hodor,
Yeah, it would be way too much. At least with Benjen we can argue that he did in fact die and is now condemned to live as a half-dead exile since he can’t pass the Wall, and with
, so that really only leaves Jon as a true resurrection in the sens that he has truly been given a second chance at life.
Agreed. The soundtracks have been spectacular.
Tycho Nestoris,
That was the scariest shit in the books.
What about
?
Dee,
Haha, thanks.
Markus Stark,
?
Markus Stark,
Rhaenys Stark,
Captain Darling!
Did someone say Ser Arthur Dayne? Seven hells, I just blushed thinking about him… and his impressive sword.
I’m thinking that yeah. Only 3 episodes to “solve” that meerenese knot doesn’t seem enough. We’ll have the red priestess sent by kinvara, Tyrion has to tell Dany about the new agreement with the slavers, the city will be attacked again, we’ll have Theon and Yara, and finally they’ll head to Westeros. 3 episodes only don’t seem enough.
Ginevra,
When she describes to Lady Crane, later, how Cersei might feel at that exact moment, a moment she never actually witnessed, Arya was obviously placing herself into Cersei’s position
Or maybe she thought about how she felt never being able to tell Ned (or Cat) good-bye? After all she had just watched Ned’s head roll (the scene was shown the previous show, but it would have also been in this performance as well) I think Arya was saying how she felt about wanting vengence. And maybe that got her thinking.
Lady Snow,
So hot..
Wimsey,
Well, the battle is in Episode 9 so Jon and Sansa and crew do what they can the next two episodes and what houses join join. And if the spoilers we have seen are true
and several characters’ arcs will end. Which characters, that is the more interesting point not that I expect the big six to end this season, but some of the rest likely will. And also, what will be left of the armies to deal with what must come in Season 7? Will the North be depleted? Will the survivors move south or confront the true enemy?
Ginevra,
Thank you
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Complete agreement with you on this. Jamie’s book arc was great. One of the redeeming aspects of AFFC, especially
Kargaryen,
I totally agree, the writers must bring their A game in order to make this possible for Dany just can’t spend another season in Essos.
Angela,
I don’t see why he would here react differently but who knows, maybe he does
aabe,
Other than (1) make shadow babies; (2) have leeches thrown on the fire and kings die; (3) and survive poison, what other than interpret the flames and resurrect Jon, has Mel done ON THE SHOW magic-wise? (In the books, she is able to do other fire magic (such as burning Orrell’s Eagle from inside)
Revealing her true image is not likely to help with convincing the North to follow Jon. I’m thinking the Old Gods and R’Hllor are not exactly pals so I wonder if Mel will be more in the background.
I think she can still leave in the finale. She isn’t in episode 7, so episode 9 Harpy attack and Dany/Dothraki arrive back in Mereen and save the day, and then in the finale Theon/Yara arrive and offer the fleet and Dany says lets get out of Essos.
I know what happens in the books. My posts were totally messed up about that. I don’t think they will change it for the show. Oh well. Oops. 🙂
What about if BF abandons RR to the Freys/Lannisters and Edmure, and takes remaining troops up north with Brienne? It would be a compromise since Edmure/Riverrun would be officially under control of the crown for the forseeable future, but I think that BF would do it for Cat’s daughter, and Jaime would go for it for Brienne (and to avoid needless bloodshed).
Making a shadow baby, drinking poison with no effect and resurrecting dead bodies is pretty magical enough.
I don’t fully agree. It seems to me from context that there is some duty for sworn swords to seek out the killers of those they swear themselves to / get justice for them. Even Stannis implies as much with his last words “Do your Duty”. Brienne also was the only person who knew for certain that Stannis/Melisandre were responsible – so if he was to be brought to justice, only she could do it.
Forgive me if this sounds silly – but is Arya posing as a boy in these pictures? We know she is a girl, but could she be taken for a boy (by those who does not know her) in those clothes? I remember that before I knew anything about the series, when I saw Arya’s season 2 photos in some friend’s facebook wall, I thought it was a boy.
QueenofThrones,
That’s an interesting prediction. Could possibly happen !
Jack Bauer 24,
I’m with you on her leaving in the finale but she must arrive in Meereen in 6.07,6.08 the most. Yara and Theon will already be there , Volantis is closer to Meereen that it is to Pyke and if it took them approximately an episode to travel there then they will arrive in Meereen in 6.08. Now the Ironborn are known to be rebellious and Theon is accompanying his sister , it is safe to assume that both Tyrion and Varys have heard of his treachery against the Starks so they will have to convince them about their trustworthiness .
Now once they have secured the ships they must also secure a landing site for the troops, so Varys will most likely head to Westeros and strike a deal with the Dornish and once news of this arrives by raven then they will set sail.
Mind you this can all take place in 6.08,6.09 and 6.10 but I do believe that Dany will arrive to Meereen on Drogon’s back in this episode. Nevertheless we can all agree that she will leave that hellhole and sail to Westeros in 6.10
Tycho Nestoris,
I actually think it’s handled very well by GRRM, and is a beautifully tragic contemplation of what death can do to a person, but I just don’t think it’ll be well received if the show does it. In fact I’m fairly certain that critics and audiences alike will view it as a major shark jumping moment for the show, and one that massively undermines the most iconic moment, the Red Wedding. It would hurt the show, and people would undoubtedly start joking about how death no longer means anything on GoT.
I don’t trust most viewers and critics to see what GRRM was going for, or to appreciate the depth with which he explores the idea of the cost for being brought back from death, nor do I really trust the show to capture that tone appropriately.
For these reasons, I feel like it would be best for them to leave LSH out, if they can do so without massively altering the endgame for Jaime and Brienne.
Sam,
Even if Manderly switch sides and support Jonsa team. Still it’s not enough to prevail for them so Vale coming on to save them is the most logical outcome. They’re there for a reason and I can’t see Littlefinger risking it by enetering battlefield with any sie. He’ll wait and then strike. It will be a Stark victory, but costly one. Ramsay for some reason might even make it to next season. The Northern storyline is so unpredictable it can take any turn.
QueenofThrones,
I see your point, however I would tend to think that Stannis simply meant that from her perspective, it was her duty to execute the man who killed her king, and he respected the fact that she took it upon herself to fulfill that duty.
I still feel like in Brienne’s mind, the oath to Catelyn should take complete and utter precedence over any perceived obligation to avenge Renly.
And I certainly don’t buy this idea that Young Dragon brought up of an “oath to yourself” being used to get out of a true oath, like the one sworn to Cat.
I just find it difficult to sympathize with or root for Brienne at this point.
QueenofThrones,
Oh, I hope it happens! Blackfish can continue the war by supporting Sansa – which is a stronger way of protest than holding Riverrun. He can only hope to annoy the Freys and Lannisters by holding Riverrun, the war was lost when Robb died. If he retreats to North to raise Sansa as Queen in the North(he will need to retreat because Edmure is likely to surrender Riverrun), then all Riverlands houses except Freys will rally to her, by which time Cersei and the Lannisters will be a done deal. Blackfish’s current campaign will end when he dies. (Edmure is a Frey prisoner and Blackfish has no children. Robin Arryn is as bad as Freys). He is only doing to honor Robb’s memory, not with any ultimate ambitions. But if he is fighting for Sansa, Bran or Rickon, Robb’s bannermen will get a new cause to fight for.
But knowing D&D, Blackfish might just get killed. 🙁
Lady Snow,
He could definitely turn me into a Morning person. 🙂
There are two reasons I made it past the cold open of the first episode: Sean Bean and Peter Dinklage. Had I not known those two were in the show, I likely would have turned off the tv. I’m sooooooooooooooo glad I didn’t!!!
Prediction: Arya and the Waif have a chase around the city of bravvos. That scene we see in the trailer of Aryas bloody hand is her leadin the waif to that dark room where she has needle stashed.
I think it would be sick if the final 2 scenes are Dany and crew heading for Westeros and then the Wall coming down.
The only thing throwing me off is that article about possible Seasons 7 and 8 filming locations that was posted here. It looked like more locations for Essos, but if she’s leaving that doesn’t make sense.
Also, after that last episode do you think they set it up to where Dany will always fly Drogon for now on?
Darkrobin,
No, but perhaps she can glamor herself to look like a wight, or someone else to look like one.
Well, that makes for an interesting parallel, doesn’t it? OK, let’s suppose that the Wall comes down, the Northerners start running into wights and even White Walkers. What can they do?
1) The Northerners could ask the southerners for help. Except, of course, one problem: the southern Westerosi do not believe that the White Walkers ever even existed. So, they will not send aid to a non-existent threat.
2) The Northerners could take a page from the Wildlings’ book and flee south. Except, of course, one problem: the Northerners recently invaded the south and inflicted much damage on southern houses before being beaten. So, the southerners would assume that it’s another invasion. Of course, the Northerners could tell the southerners why they are fleeing south. Except, of course….
And thus the amusing parallel: the Northerners will be in exactly the same position in the eyes of Westeros as the Wildlings in the eyes of the Umbers, Boltons and Karstarks. In a way, this could be the best thing for which the Lannisters could hope. Their fragile alliances with other southern houses could well be renewed by necessity at the thought of Northern savages fleeing south! (And worse: the Northerners at that point might have betrayed everything that it means to be Westerosi by allying with Wildlings!!!)
One thing I am curious to see is whether we will get any whacky explanations for the wights and/or White Walkers as the Maesters try to explain them with anything but the old Northern legends.
Or miraculous! However, where “miracle” stops and “magic” begins, it is hard to say. And it’s possible that the question is not whether it is magic, but who is controlling it: Mel or R’hllor.
Myrmidon,
I wouldn’t worry. Essos is Dany’s oyster:
– Defeats the Wise Masters… (8?)
– Victory voids Tyrion’s deal. She rejects R’hllor, reconquers/terrifies Slaver’s Bay into compliance, appoints Missendai, Grey Worm, Unsullied as governors and guard (9?)
– Conquers Volantis, takes its navy, makes Asha admiral, leaves Essos (10).
QueenofThrones,
Can Brienne reach Riverrun and return north in time to help Sansa? Last we saw Ramsay, it looked like he had allies, and was about to go after Castle Black. I fear that he’ll massacre the Night Watch.
Meanwhile, Jon, Davos, Sansa are just starting to look for allies. Possibly the show repeats what went down with Stannis, with a twist: Ramsay outnumbers Starks and wildlings, but is destroyed when Littlefinger and the Vale make a surprise appearance.
That, of course, would make the Starks beholden to Littlefinger. Life is never simple for these poor people.
aabe,
She could pretend to be a boy but I don’t think thats going to keep Waif or Jaquen from finding him (remember, Jaquen knew him first for a boy)
If it were that simple, then there would be no story here! Moreover, other people would argue the opposite: the oath you swear in 1999 has to take precedence over the oath you swore in 2001. Now, you might see it the other way around: your 2001 oath invalidates your 1999 oath. However, you essentially are in a Gödelian paradox: both statements cannot be true. So, she can uphold her vows to Renly (which means avenging his death) and break her vows to Catelyn, or she can uphold her vows to Catelyn (which means avenging her death, albeit in a different way) and break her vows to Renly.
Actually, Jaquen first knew Arya when she was pretending to be a boy. He says that he always knew: and given his profession, that would not be surprising. After all, the people who are most apt to see through a magicians tricks are other magicians.
Not relevant to plot lines, but I have to say that it would be quite amusing if that preview of Pod getting grabbed from behind (if Bronn having a joke) turns into Pod flipping him over unexpectedly, what with his months of Brienne training and all. The look on Bronn’s face would be priceless from the ground!!
Jack Bauer 24,
Agreed, it is. But it doesn’t prove WW and wights exist. Too bad no one has a wight that they could use for show
that would be pretty convincing
Wimsey,
And thus the amusing parallel: the Northerners will be in exactly the same position in the eyes of Westeros as the Wildlings in the eyes of the Umbers, Boltons and Karstarks. In a way, this could be the best thing for which the Lannisters could hope.
Hadn’t thought of it that way, but, yes, it would
Wimsey,
Jamie had the right of this:
“So many vows. They make you swear and swear. Defend the king. Obey the king. Obey your father. Protect the innocent. Defend the weak. What if your father despises the king? What if the king massacres the innocent?”
I’m not down for LF showing up and being the hero. HELLZ TO THE NO
Why would she leave 1/3 of her army behind. She should want the Unsullied, Second Sons, and Dothraki all to come to Westeros.
Speaking of the Second Sons, how many are there and where are they? I don’t remember seeing them in Mereen.
I wonder how much of Braavos we will see with Arya fleeing now? I hope a good chunk.
I have no doubt the WW’s and their army will make at least as far south as
Dee,
The only things I’m up for regarding LF are his actions throughout the story being exposed (so we get to have the fun of seeing him know he’s toast), then a slow, painful death.
Darkrobin,
I thought she was thinking about all of these things along with how her own mother would have felt before she died. Losing all of her children to death or capture. More LSH foreshadowing. Whether or not they bring her back, they certainly are teasing out the possibility.
Markus Stark,
I find her putting her oath to Renly above her oath to Catelyn mitigated intensely by the fact that she had already been refused by Sansa and had been waiting around for weeks (months?) for some sign that Sansa needed her without indication that she did.
It could be seen as a foolish move, but certainly not one devoid of all honor. She’s really gone above and beyond overall to make sure she’s followed up on her oath to Catelyn – an oath that even included the stipulation that she could still get her vengeance for Renly when it was sworn.
If it only takes two weeks to get from the Iron Islands to Volantis, perhaps Yara and Theon should make two trips. They might be able to finish both trips before Euron is even done chopping and planking. No, not that kind of planking.
Dany needs to fly on Drogon, going east to get west, traveling fast enough so that the sun rises in the west and sets in the east.
Wimsey,
My memory may be off, but I recall hearing him in his wagon saying ‘boy’ when he asked her for water. I could be wrong. But yeah, he of course would know the truth..
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I would hope this is saved for closer to the endgame of this story, since he was essentially the igniter of all this “modern” era of Westeros conflict. Honestly I wouldn’t mind seeing him be the villain on the the Iron throne (king of the ashes) when Dany arrives to kick ass.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
That’s perfect that’s what I want! Hahaha
ash,
I think he did
But he was keeping her cover
Wimsey,
I’m not arguing any of those points though. My problem is that the show would have us believe Brienne is honorable, and yet she makes a questionable decision in 5.10, a decision that has absolutely no consequences whatsoever.
She gets the best of both worlds ! She avenges Renly, thus satisfying her thirst for revenge, and she gets to swoop in and save the day for Sansa.
Ultimately, the show has made it so that Brienne’s dilemma was meaningless, and that scene in 5.10 where she looks at the broken tower before rushing off to find Stannis is now incredibly silly, as Sansa and Theon made it out fine without her, and as soon as the Bolton men caught up to them, Brienne was right there to help.
If you’re going to give your character a difficult choice, it’s best not to write the story in such a way that the choice didn’t really matter after all.
She chose Renly over Sansa, and she should have been made to pay for that choice in some way.
And as I said, that choice is very questionable. Is Brienne truly the honorable servant of House Stark that she claims to be when she abandoned her mission to protect Sansa to go kill Stannis ? The show never explores that question, or the moral ambiguity of Brienne’s decision, which further highlights just how cheap and false her dilemma was. It was played for 10 seconds of drama in the finale where the viewers wonder what Brienne will do, but ultimately it meant nothing.
Plus, killing Stannis could have seriously compromised things for Sansa by prolonging her captivity. As things played out, Stannis had lost the battle anyway, and Sansa managed to escape anyway, but Brienne didn’t know any of that would happen when she decided to go after Stannis. Let’s imagine that things had gone differently.
If Stannis had won and taken Winterfell, Sansa would have been in a terrific position. No longer abused by Ramsay, and named Lady of Winterfell. And yet Brienne was willing to essentially help the Boltons win by taking out the commander of the opposing army.
Obviously we know as the audience that the battle was lost long before Brienne found Stannis, and her killing him had nothing to do with why he lost, but once again, she didn’t know that he would lose so badly when she decided to go find him. She set out to kill him knowing that if she found him before (or at the beginning of) the battle it would likely lead to a Bolton victory, which would result in Sansa’s captivity being prolonged, and she did it anyway.
It’s a complete and utter betrayal of Cat, and it could have had dire consequences for Sansa. But Brienne only cared about revenge. It’s not honorable, and the show should have addressed this instead of making Brienne a hero once again.
Jack Bauer 24,
There are 2000 Second Sons, and they are in Meereen. We don’t see them, but Daario mentions them as being there in 4.05 and 5.02.
Clive Russell/Blackfish is looking healthy af. Can’t wait to get his reaction to the Red Wedding. Has Cersei been wearing black this whole time (since Myrcella)?
If McShane is in this episode, will his name be in the opening credits?
Markus Stark,
If that goes wrong, “not well received” is a best case scenario as you also mentioned.
Jack Bauer 24,
Bran only knows
I’m surprised the High Sparrow let Marg wear her crown considering it symbolizes everything that’s wrong with Marg. I guess it’s okay as long as He is calling the shots. What happens when the Crown & the Faith disagree?
Tycho Nestoris, South African sharks jump.
Exactly this.
Rygritte
Speaking of the crown and the faith, did anyone else have a moment of Metropolis, when a similar speech is made as the ‘heart’ and ‘mind’ hold hands?
Apollo,
🙂
Well, she might have appeased the French… but never the Queen Regent Catherine de’ Medici (she’s one of my favourite historical figures).
Ohhhh good post! It’s been a while since I read the books. This is a gem! While I will be sad when the books are done, I’ll be happy to see the resolution of all of the dreams and prophecies. I’ve wasted a lot of brain power trying to make sense of them.
Dee,
Ah, ok that makes sense.
Septa Unella seems to be getting more attractive with every episode!
ash,
nvm the above comment. In the movie, its the heart thats the mediator between the head and hands. But it made sense when I saw that scene! …..
Rygritte,
There are all kinds of problems. I thought breach and surface were synonmous. Surface fit my narrative more?. Also, the idiom relates to going over a shark rather than a shark literally jumping. I was attempting to twist markus’ words?
I see what you’re saying, and the way you framed it, it makes a lot of sense. I just don’t want to see him having any more success. In fact, as much as I have no interest in
appearing, if that character shows up to kill LF, I’d
actually, suddenly become just fine with seeing that character…hahaha.
Lady Snow,
Thanks! I did a reread last summer, and that particular dream really leaped out at me.
You seem to be forgetting that Brienne’s oath to Catelyn was conditional on a promise from Catelyn that she wouldn’t hold Brienne back from killing Stannis “when the time comes,” i.e. when an opportunity presented itself. That very situation occurred when Brienne saw her chance in 5×10. Brienne did not break her vow, since her vow had a Stannis exception clause: “I will be your sworn sword and serve you, on the condition that you let me go after Stannis when I see an opening.”
Lmao
GeekFurious,
Darya?
Tycho Nestoris,
No, sharks do not jump. Fonzie did: and over the shark at that. However, Happy Days never recovered. (Of course, as Ron Howard later said, you know it was a great TV series when it has metaphor for when a long-lived series loses it.)
That was particularly apt in that book/season, as the story was about conflicted loyalties.
Executing Stannis was the honorable thing to do given Westerosi values.
heh, well, my guess is that he also knows how to play along! In his line of work, a secret learned is often one best kept to yourself: you never know when it might become handy.
Darkrobin,
Those were still there. NOthing happened.
This is what I’m afraid of (a la Osha). I hope not! But, that clip in the trailer showing the Freys and Lannisters celebrating could mean they won the siege. Fingers crossed that it’s only a misdirection by the show’s producers so we’d think RR has been retaken. I want the Red Wedding avenged so badly!
Maybe it’s the Stark Hairstyle. 🙂 Arya used to wear her hair that way in season 1 before it was chopped off. She’s definitely gone back to being a wolf.
Except it wasn’t even justice, except in the mind of Brienne. Renly was a traitor and deserved to die, and Stannis gave him the cleanest death imaginable and saved thousands of lives in doing it. But for Brienne, bashing, slashing, or slicing open with metal objects is the only legit way to kill. She’s only getting “justice” for Stannis violating her absurd code with respect the the proper way to fight a war.
There was no honor in what she did. It was simple petty bloodlust revenge for a misperceived slight (and she didn’t even get her revenge…she spared Stannis a flaying!). And as others have pointed out, she was effectively fighting for the Boltons for a while, utterly betraying her truly honorable course….and the course Book!Brienne took. This is a fundamental change in characterization and thus no longer them same story. Rather, it was just bad writing, both at a character level and a technical one (her ability to warp through armies unseen is just absurd, and she would have had no way to find, or even reason to look for, Sansa outside the castle and logically heading AWAY from the battle zone).
Darkrobin,
There’s more nuance in the performance. Arya is becoming more human. It’s not all about vengeance any more.
Shame!
Tycho Nestoris,
It is not that I care only for the WW; it just seems to me that all stories converge at this point towards a final showdown, the living versus the dead. In-between characters that follow their own agenda would be strange to introduce at this stage, that is what I mean by pointless.
And I never, ever base my opinions on what other people may think, my friend.
Eh? If she wants LF to end up on the throne then her family will not be avenged. She’s probably trolling. 🙂
Dee,
I know; you give me strenght not to read them either. Thanks for Sue covering up for those who forget to spoiler-tag their comments!
Simon,
I was intending to suggest that Arya was able to voice how it felt not to say good-bye because she had been in the very same situation (twice) and that that person would not just cry but want vengence – I think that’s what she told Lady Crane. However, to your point, yes and no. To me Arya does not want to become a faceless man and therefore to kill indiscriminately when told to. However, I would bet that at least one person on her list meets their end at her hands.
And Arya+Jon was what GRRM originally planned to happen although hopefully he’s totally abandoned that ship. Even though they may be only cousins, to both of them, they’ll always remain beloved siblings (the sibling each one loves the most – at least in the books). As for Jon and Sansa, I don’t think they’re each other’s type at all. Sansa, I think, would go for a sophisticated, royal or a great game-player. No, not LF! (ick) Tyrion actually would be a good match for her. They’d be awesome together playing the game of thrones. On the other hand, Jon would go for an Ygrette-type badass, fearless woman – maybe in some ways someone like Arya and Meera (but not necessarily them because – Gendry and Bran). Hmmn, if he’d meet someone like Lyanna, he’d probably fall in love with her (like father, like…). Wait, why am I talking about romance? This is GOT, no place for sweet romance here, only tragic ones.
Dee,
I think not only does he swoop in and save the day but Sansa keeps him around for a while – she’s not killing him or dealing with him. He’s going to find a way back into her good graces because she’ll realize that she needs him, emotions aside.
I think anyone hoping for LF to get what he “deserves” is going to be deeply disappointed
Do they? I would argue that they are converging on something very different: Bad Choice A vs. Bad Choice B vs. Bad Choice C.
Jon is a “saving people” kind of person. Daeny is even more a “saving people” kind of person. The White Walkers essentially are a sentient weapon that turned on their creators/masters. We have seen those before in this story. In the end, I think that it might be more about liberating the enslaved and burying the hatchets. But the price will not come cheap: as the Moment said to the Doctor, your punishment will be to survive.
My bet is that these things were not even called “ships” when GRRM abandoned it.
Oh wow 790 comments, usualy only get about this much for the episode open chat
Says something about how htped we are
Personally looking forward to seeing some of the more obscure Houses often glossed over, not just the North but i do hope we get to see the aforementioned RL Houses rebelling
Looking forward to Bronn as always + the Blackfish who was fantastically cast
Some more Randyll wouldn’t go astray but think i’ll have 2 wait
I’m not sure where or how she got the new clothes, but as for why…well, if the Waif was hunting me, I think I’d go find my brown pants too. 🙂
Given where this season’s story is going, my bet is that Sansa will cave and ask for his help. We’ve seen Daeny go to some extremes to win over the Dothraki. We’ve seen what Jon’s extremes have done to win over the Wildlings: and now we are going to see Jon (and Sansa) have to make up for that in an effort to win over any Northerners. We are seeing Tyrion have to ally himself with one Church while Cersei tries to summon allies against another church. And we’ve seen Arya cut herself off from her allies.
It probably would be best for the story (and best for Sansa’s belated dynamic development) if she sucks it up and realizes that despite how much she hates LF right now, she needs the Vale army more than that.
(heh, of course, I’m now wondering if Brienne is going to run into Jaime, offer him the chance to live up to his promise to Catelyn, and they’ll head north with Blackfish & Co. or something nutso like that. That would be a strange bedfellow alliance!)
Actually i think she’ll play the game and keep him.around for a while, but she did just make him literally say he was ready to die lol
I reckon he plays a part in her RL/Vale ascension arc, eg she’ll be put into power in the RL at Riverrun, but the Vale also via her burgeoning influence over Sweetrobin
Once she decides to get rid of LF she just has to strategically mention his role in both his parents death and then it’s out the Moon Door he goes
From there my theories go a little odd, eg a dark Queen utilising bloodmagic reigning out of Harrenhall
Lol
Rowan Atkinson Blackadder as “Ulter Shett” from the Vale please!
Some.Borderick would be good as well
Markus Stark,
I read the history of westeros recently. It doesn’t matter what claim you have, its all about the army you have and how smart you are. Period. Dany for example won’t conquor because she is a targ. It will be because she have a huge ass army and she has dragons. Nothing to do with any claim. Or……Rhaegar would have killed Robert Baratheon
Haha! Probably called love boats at that time?
Wimsey,
I’m now wondering if Brienne is going to run into Jaime, offer him the chance to live up to his promise to Catelyn, and they’ll head north with Blackfish & Co. or something nutso like that.
I keep trying to guess how they will translate the book cliff-hanger into the show with that absence of that other character.
I’m gathering we will see the BWB as they were mentioned by Walder Frey and I think there were rumors that
might make an appearance this season.
As Brienne and Sansa’s storylines have yet to intersect in the books
or does Brienne’s arc start to intersect Arya’s, assuming she makes landfall in Westeros somewhere in the Riverlands?
Other than Anguy the archer and Thoros and Beric, I don’t recall them introducing a harpist, but I think there were casting rumors on the BWB that indicated they were casting a few parts
Thoughts?
Wimsey,
Do you think that Dany’s choice may involve her “children” ?
Wimsey,
Thanks for leaving out the part where I used an idiom of my own. I guess you aren’t always out for blood. Ah dammit.
Well I love Littlefinger so I hope you’re right. Then again, that shot of him in the trailer confronting someone in the snow didn’t look encouraging.
I never interpreted that photo of LF as looking afraid, like some seem to. To me, his expression just looks like….LF. “Ah, what do we have here?” 🙂
So Jaime is the lord of the Casterly Rock and warden of the west now? Curiously who held that role for last season and a half? Why didn’t the ironborn attack west lands for that duration then?
Wimsey
Jamie going north wouldn’t be that crazy. I always thought there were hints in the books that he would support a child of Rhaegar if one were to appear!
M,
This.
Stannis ”fans” are just angry that she killed him.
And they are even angrier that 90% of viewers view her as a hero.
ThinkCenter,
Probably Kevan.
The Ironborn were loosing men and castles in the North and the Starks didn’t have an army to defend it, so probably that’s why. The Westerlands were better defended.
I really don’t see what the problem is, as her oath to Cat had the stipulation that when the time came, Cat would not stand in her way of enacting vengeance on Stannis.
Brienne missing her opportunity to save Sansa in episode 10 was designed for dramatic effect, and it succeeded in that (realistically, what could she have done, climb the walls of Winterfell?).
And her eventual rescue was also teased out for maximum impact as Sansan was about to be recaptured. The show doesn’t have time for Briennes book dilemma, and the show has adapted this aspect fairly well.
Remind you of anyone on the show? 😉
Wimsey,
I’m not so sure. Realistically we don’t have time for extended sub-plots moving forward with only 12-15 eps to go and the show needs to start trimming the fat (as it always does so shockingly/beautifully).
For this (and other reasons), LF has to go. it’s been foreshadowed in ep5 with Sansas confrontation and, whilst I do believe she’ll be reliant on the Vale forces for victory, LF will die at WF per the book prophecy from AFFC. Yohn Royce certainly won’t shed any tears and will likely bend the knee to Sansa in the great war to come, especially if the wall falls in ep10 (priorities and all that).
Let’s not forget that Brienne is likely to discover LFs schemes (including taking Sansa’s head) from Jaime in the coming episode, that information will get to her somehow- and the only option is for all these loose ends to be tied up with a noose/ sword.
I’m not so sure. Realistically we don’t have time for extended sub-plots moving forward with only 12-15 eps to go and the show needs to start trimming the fat (as it always does so shockingly/beautifully).
For this (and other reasons), LF has to go. it’s been foreshadowed in ep5 with Sansas confrontation and, whilst I do believe she’ll be reliant on the Vale forces for victory, LF will die at WF per the book prophecy from AFFC. We have the oft-quoted rule here that guns being hung (yawn) must be fired fairly soon, so this is likely gonna be this season. Yohn Royce certainly won’t shed any tears and will likely bend the knee to Sansa in the great war to come, especially if the wall falls in ep10 (priorities and all that).
And let’s not forget that Brienne will discover LFs schemes (including taking Sansa’s head) from Jaime in the coming episode, that information will get to her somehow- and the only option is for all these loose ends to be tied up with a noose/ sword.
wouldn’t it be funny if they don’t believe he died and came back so they kill him as a runaway and red women bring him back again
before she made the oath to Robbs mother , she made her promise that she would not stop her when the opertunity to kill him presents itself , and Cat said ok then bree kneels and makes the oath so there no breaking one to do the other.
i don’t think she is really going to solve mereen she just gonna leave Tyrion and few( red priestess) to rule in name ,they have stop the killing Tyrion did that with the deal he made. Danny prob just gonna go take some ships from where ever she can and take what she can to westeros brings order by helping defeat the dead as the one who was promised but dies near the end but thats ok because she did enough to bring balance .
all in all, the truest statement ever posted. as revealed in the show, he is the one who convinced lysa to poison jon arryn. he is the one who convinced her to write the false letter to cat stating the lannisters were to blame. implied but not explained in the show, he misrepresented the truth about the dagger used to try to kill bran. he claimed he lost it to tyrion in a bet. that he, LF, bet jaime would win a joust and tyrion bet ser loras would win. tyrion has been shown, repeatedly, to be very loyal to his brother.
book spoiler
he betrayed ned. he was one of the people responsible for killing joffery. well, i can’t hold that against him, i guess.
basically, Lf is pretty much responsible for this whole mess. if jon arryn had not been murdered, ned would not be needed as hand of the king. robert would not have gone to WF. bran would not have been pushed from a window. if cat had not got that letter, ned would not have been convinced to go to KL. he would not have been executed. a war would not have started. robb and cat would not have been killed, etc. etc.
there are some good, bad, and in between characters in this story. LF seems to be the one truly completely evil character. as varys said “he would see this country burn if he could be king of the ashes.”
yeah he calls her boy ,because it is not a mans job to ruin a girls secrets but a man new all along , he says this when she fetches water and meet him serving the lannisters . still a girl keeps secrets
Jaynee D.,
And interestingly he (indirectly) plays a role in saving Westeros. As, if none of these things happened, Bran wouldn’t have fallen, become the 3ER, Jon wouldn’t have died and come back etc etc etc. Everything happens for a reason. Not that I’m a LF fan of course 🙂
i think bran would become the 3er no matter if he did or didn’t get pushed , just as a warg comes into there power with age/time.
Well, Sansa sent Brienne to Riverrun with the premise that it would be possible to bring back BF and his army. So, in universe it’s valid – I mean LF got the Vale army to WF in 0.5 episodes so why not? :p
If Ramsey attacks castle Black, there are like 20 guys there. Not much to massacre and he’d be leaving Winterfell undefended (which is good for our heros).
Eh, it would be OK with me if LF is involved provided there’s enough strength left directly loyal to Jon and/or Sansa. I seriously doubt that Sansa is going to suddenly want to marry LF or something just because he shows up at the last minute to “rescue” them. So LF doesn’t really gain anything solid by doing it.
Sou,
Haha that’s good then!
Yes thanks Sue 🙂
Nadia,
I agree
he aint going any where anytime soon
After being the master mind of EVERYTHING that has happened from Jon Arryn to Ned Stark to Joffrey Baratheon to Lysa Arryn as well as uniting the Lannisters and Tyrells – slightly disappearing of the face of the earth only to come back and be killed immediately? Seems too good to be true
Wimsey,
Well his promise to Catlyn was to send the Stark girls home to safety. And considering that Sansa is with Jon, she is safe.
Pigeon,
which shot is that
QueenofThrones,
Jaime would never let the Blackfish take a Tully army north though.
ThinkCenter,
Kevan maybe?
Apropos of nothing, but am I the only one who finds it curious that we’re now on the Friday before Episode 7 will be aired, and HBO still has not officially announced the title for Episode 8? I mean, yeah, we have that possibly leaked title of “No One” but that’s not been confirmed (and neither has the episode description).
Are we going to have to wait until HBO releases the E8 trailer on YouTube before finding out what that episode is going to be titled?
Jaynee D.,
Okay and after alllllllllllll that
people think hes going to die easily in episode 10?
Why?
I mean I would love that as it would be sweet revenge… is it time for sweet revenge already???? I would love that, and if sansa is the one who makes the call, well she deserves that honour.
Lets go back to what Tyrion said
“Sansa’s not a killer. Not yet anyway” 😉
ThinkCenter,
I’d imagine it was Kevan. House Lannister is still pretty powerful as they have a lot of smaller Houses under their banner although it’s not really put across in the show. Although their main family future looks pretty bleak as as Genna and Janei can’t carry on the family name, Gerion and Tyrek are both MIA presumed dead and Jaime,Lancel and Tyrion don’t really look in any position to do much!
If the Ironborn had hit in the War of the Five Kings then they might (and it’s a big might) have been able to take Lannisport and maybe even Casterly Rock but with the main part of the war finished, the Lannisters still have one of the most powerful and well-equipped armies in Westeros.
Wimsey
I don’t think we should ever look at the Walkers as former slaves – they are a weapon of mass destruction gone rogue, not former slaves who”ve found freedom. After all, they are raising an army of undead to go against the living, butchering their way to the South. The Unsullied are human, the Walkers are not.
Why not?
His orders from Cersei are “take back that castle because it’s ours.” If he can do that without having to raise arms against Tully or Stark he’ll jump at the chance… With a little push from Brienne to remember he can make his own damn choices.
Queenofthrones,
The Lannisters had a big hand in the Starks losing Winterfell. Even though the Freys and the Boltons did the dirty work, it was Tywin who arranged everything. Jaime is still very much a Lannister, all his loyalties are towards his family. So I cannot imagine him letting Blackfish take an army to help the Starks take back Winterfell. That would be detrimental to the Lannisters, especially if Sansa emerged as the QitN after a Stark win.
Besides, he knows that a lot of the River Lords still feel loyalty towards the Starks. So if Sansa were to emerge as a queen, the River Lords, except the Freys would naturally rally to the side of Catelyn Tully’s daughter. So North and Riverlands united under a Stark would be bad news for the Lannisters. Jaime would know that and I cannot imagine him actively helping Sansa and Co. in emerging victorious in the North (which is what he would be doing if he let BF take an army to help her). Not to mention, the Bolton are supposed to be Lannister allies.
He swore to Catelyn that he would ensure her daughters’ safety. That’s it. I doubt he would feel obligated to help her in retaking her home.
The Freys are looking right and Jaime/Bronn are looking left. It looks like they’re sharing words on the field they’ve set up camp.
The trailer has many dead bodies on what I hope is that field, not within Riverrun.
Dream scenario: Jaime butchers the Freys and Blackfish lives.
I’ve got this Jared-length post I’m trying to make and WotW hates me. Is anyone else having issues with WotW eating posts? You may see three or four of the same post if they ever get regurgitated.
Part 2 of 4:
I give up. You’ll never know Parts 3 and 4. Alas.
I like the Tarly’s blade Heartsbane. Why didn’t the show take the same effort with Dawn???
You know that moment when you are reading a post and you’re like, everything about this post is illogical, unsound, unfounded, and ridiculous, and then you finally think to relook at the author? Oh. Yeah. Duh. I was supposed to skip you.
ghost of winterfell,
Jaime was ordered to find and kill Sansa Stark by Cersei. Instead, that very episode, he gave his sword to Brienne and told her to get out of the city protect Sansa and Arya at all costs. I think he also released Tyrion at the same time, also against Cerseis expressed wishes (though that was having to choose between two family members).
Since then, a observant viewer will realize that Cersei has not asked Jaime to do anything morally objectionable. She’s realized that doesn’t work anymore because he’s changed. she’s giving him these “hero” missions (rescue Myrcella, Rescue Margaery and Loras, get that castle back, etc) because it ensures he’ll be useful to her instead of wrecking her plans. That’s not the same thing at all as Jaime doing what she wants all the Tim.
Queenofthrones,
Jaime will not agree to send a Tully army north because it could be detrimental to the Lannisters in the long run, imo. He has changed yes, but he still primarily has Lannister interest in his heart.
Mag,
Because will never see it.
Mag,
Dawn probably isn’t relevant to the current story…
Littlefinger is most responsible, but Renly is second. If he had just accepted the fact that he was a younger brother, Westeros would be a united kingdom dealing with the threat of the White Walkers. Instead it is a chaotic mess.
ghost of winterfell,
Possible they will try to make it look like they escaped. Much like the Tyrion thing.
Also, regarding the Lannisters in the North, The Boltons are on Cerseis shit list after what LF told them. They don’t owe the Boltons anything – Currently the Lannisters have no stake in the North.
Jaime getting the Tullies out of their hair and north of the neck while keeping the Freys happy and the Lannister forces in looses is a smart move in the short term. In the long term who knows? There may not be a long term.
So episode 8 name confirmed?
Not anymore. Littlefinger ratted the Boltons out for “rescuing” Sansa and having Ramsay marry her. After that, Cersei pretty much cut all Lannister ties with the Boltons and gave Winterfell, the title of “Warden of the North,” and permission for the Vale army to march North to Littlefinger.
So as far as the Lannisters are concerned, the Boltons are on their own now. I can see Jaime thinking he’ll kill two birds with two stones by having BlackFish and the Tully army leave Riverrun (so the Freys can get Riverrun back with minimal bloodshed) and screwing the Boltons over at the same time. One of Jaime’s flaws is that he’s too impulsive, and he probably won’t stop to consider the long-term consequences of helping the Starks retake Winterfell (an unified North under the control of the Starks again is bad news for the Lannisters).
Chad Brick,
Hahahhaaa no.
And I even like Stannis. But he’s no Uniter. If he was king there would be the same religious uprising, only 100 times worse because of his Red God.
Furthermore it’s quite unclear if Stannis would have take the NW warnings seriously if it hadn’t also been literally his only possible move. I’d like to think so but if he was running the kingdom I suspect he’d have other priorities.
Dee,
Yep. E8 is titled “No One.” The confirmation link can be found over in the “It is Known” thread about Benjen “Coldhands” Stark.
Queenofthrones,
Agreed.
Stannis would have been a horrible king.
The titles for E9 and E10 haven’t been officially confirmed yet. But considering “No One” turned out to be legit, it’s likely “Battle of the Bastards” and “Winds of Winter” are legit as well.
He’d also have executed a lot of characters I like! At least Some of which are good people. So yeah I’ll pass on King Stannis…
Josh L,
yeah!! but no confirmation for the rest
Queenofthroness,
Like Varys, LF and Renly said. No one wanted Stannis as their king. (this is so going to anger/trigger some people!)
never mind
My prediction for the final scenes of the season are a montage of Danny and Tyrion getting into the ships, sailing for Westeros with the Dragons flying overhead intercut with the White Walker Army breaching the magical wards of the Fallen Wall (or maybe just cracked, pending on the CGI budget.) We get a tagline of the sound of the vibrations of the Wall coming down reaching the battlements of Winterfell. It’s snowing heavily… Mel, Davos and Jon sit atop the battlements…Mel can sense that the magic wards of the Wall are breached…Either Davos or Jon ask Mel “What is that sound?” once they see Mel looking into the foggy distance. Mel says: “Winter” OR “The Winds of Winter”. End of season and we cut to credits…
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I became a Ser Arthur fan after seeing him on screen. That man was smoking hot
Lady Snow,
Ser Arthur and his impressive sword. Can I get a spinoff?
Ginevra,
The healing power of Jaime Lannister only works when he is away from Cersei. She drains the hotness from him. But now that he’s going to Riverrun, we should prepare ourselves. With liquor.
dude i got tingles feels reading that , i want more ! tell me how the next season episode gonna go after that 🙂 (sits on floor legs crossed head in hands looking up) . wait start from S6E7 🙂
Yeah but it’s pretty much a foregone conclusion those are legit too, given ep8.
LOL.
Well, if it was up to me I would do a cold open of Nymeria’s pack roaming the woods and tracking down and killing some Freys…then cue opening credits for episode 7. Then, for CGI budget reasons we don’t see Nymeria again until Arya starts roaming the Riverlands again…
Mihnea,
yes, this
Ginevra,
Speaking of Jared, anyone seen him around?
The Starks were pro-Baratheon. The Tyrells were with Renly, so if he had followed his brother, they would have too. The Dornish had no problem with Stannis. The Ironborn had every reason to fear/respect him. The Vale would be pro-Baratheon, as would the Riverlands. Other than the Lannisters, who was against him, in the absence of Renly’s issues?
You seem to be contradicting yourself with the religious matters. Either he was a fanatic who would have taken Mel’s warnings about the North seriously, or he was not a fanatic, in which case he’d have been a good ruler. The “truth”, so much as there can be one in fiction, lies in the middle. He was not particularly fanatical, especially in the books where it is clear he is holding back a popular religious movement, not moving it forward, and there is nothing in either media to suggest he’d ignore warnings from the north if he were in reasonably firm control.
I snorted up my tea when TV-Varys said that the world needed “someone more gentle than Stannis”…and he was talking about a chick who crucified 163 people based on nothing more than their class, gender, and a suspicion of guilt! *facepalm*
ash,
This!!
I miss Jared, really liked his comments and thoughts…Saw him in the curtain call last time.
Chad Brick,
She is gentler than stannis
stannis burned known innocent people for no reason including his daughter
Apollo,
Hahaha!!! Most of the traditional french historiography would want us to believe she was some kind of Cersei… I don’t believe that, she was more like an Olenna Tyrell (with some hints of a Cersei, undoubtedly).
Dee,
Gods don’t enter a Stannis ”debate” with Chad, It’s pointless….. You will just end up regretting it… And actually hating Stannis even more…
Mihnea,
LOLs!!
Presumably “Battle of the Bastards” was deemed too spoilery if released before ep 8 (or maybe just ep 7) plays out. At some point in the next two episodes it will become abundantly clear that a battle is looming, at which point the title will, like a conscientious doctor, do no harm.
Has the show taken away Stannis’ agency?
Queenofthrones,
The Boltons are in Cersei’s shit list for marrying and shielding Sansa. So it would be an odd thing to help Sansa because the Boltons are no longer allies. My feeling is Tully army is not going anywhere and it is only the Vale army which will come to the North’s rescue. Let’s see 🙂
Of late, Jared seems to be around more on the Sunday/Monday posts: either the open chat one or Sue’s recap. He was in Sue’s recap, I see. I thought I’d recalled him there. I’m not sure why he hasn’t had time for more, lately, but I know that there are times of the year I’m a lot busier than others, too.
Well, I know I always make a point of skipping your posts. 😉
I’ve always had a thing for the Daynes, but seeing who they cast for the show, well…everyday and twice on Sunday would just be the start.
I love you, and I’ve missed you!!! 🙂
LoL.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Never skip NWQ!
Mihnea,
We have. It was mentioned in one of the feature videos that one of the swords that Arthur Dayne used in the Tower of Joy scene was Dawn.
Mihnea,
We have. It was mentioned in one of the feature videos that one of the swords that Arthur Dayne used in the Tower of Joy scene was Dawn. 😉
Ginevra,
What!? GOT fans have a life outside of WotW? How can that be? (looking around me – um yeah family is here, the house is here, ok good now where was I?) I do enjoy his posts, usually he says just what Im thinking much better than I could possibly do. Makes my posting easier
I’m SanSan to the core also. I think the show will eventually turn it into romantic between Sansa and Sandor. Arya is the means to an end. It’s impossible to ignore the book story, and I think that it will have impact on the story in general.
The show didn’t have Brienne mention just who that “man” that Arya was with was, because Sansa (and Jon) are out of context in the story in general and playing the role of Stannis Baratheon.
Perhaps GRRM has hidden a second, more literal, meaning to the description “the prince that was promised” which clearly points to Jon.
I always found it odd that the term is “the prince that was promised” and not “the prince who was promised.” Apologies if this has been suggested before, but I read almost all the comments on this site and have never seen it mentioned.
Ginevra,
Awwww…here I am, being my smart-ass self, even though I knew you’d know I was joking, and your response is so complimentary. *blushing*
Abyss,
Greetings and salutations, Grand Maester of Gifs!!!
I hope you’re enjoying the season.
If the first 6 episodes are any indication, it shaping up to take the top spot as my favorite season, thus far!
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I do! I just hadn’t much time to post, but I’m still reading comments from time to time. I don’t know if this season is my favorite, have to wait until the end to know that, but it’s certainly the one with the most WTF-monents for me, since we’re pretty much out of book material.
Yeah, but no gold to pay them. Tywin told Cersei that their gold-mine stopped producing years ago, that they are in debt big-time to the Iron Bank. Mace seems to have a good relationship with the Iron Bank, but Cersei seems to have really messed up the Lannister/Tyrell relationship by her intense jealousy of Margaery. Wasn’t it mentioned somewhere in an episode with Varys about armies going to whomever has the gold? Even if that’s not how that bit played, it still makes sense that if you can’t pay an army, the army will leave – either that, or savage the lands it was meant to protect.
I agree, I just love their story. And D&D said there’s more to come, and it’s a good thing he’s taller than her and all. And it’s definitely romantic, it’s based on Beauty and the Beast on the show, too. I am so happy that Sandor is returning, I think they are saving the best for last, and Sansa will find some happiness in the end with Sandor.
Arya looks like Ned Stark in these photos .. LOL
I think I’m commenter #2,478 or so, but I was comparing the photos taken last year of Maisie Williams’ filming
As Episode 8’s title appears to have been confirmed as “No One” and as Mark Mylod is the director, could we be seeing Arya’s Waif confrontation (and/or her [insert fingers-crossed emoji here] escape from Braavos in Episodes 7 and 8?
Sue: Sorry about not using spoiler coding for the Maisie filming comments. WotW published shots from Northern Ireland, but I wasn’t sure about Girona.
No, it just fizzled out: all of his best clients signed with Littlefinger.
Good generals rarely make good leaders of state! But Stannis’ total lack of empathy for other people and his moral absolutism would make for a horrific king.
Given how many people rallied to Renly, this is pretty clear. After Robert and Aerys (and given that many people clearly had worked out what Joffery would be like), people wanted a competent king. For all of his flamboyance, Renly seems to have been someone who gave a damn about other people. A person who takes the time to spare one ugly girl further humiliation is the sort of person you want to have executive powers.
My bet is that Arya’s role in the Riverlands will be similar to what she does there in Winds of Winter rather than something that someone else did in Crows. And that means: I don’t know! Something about sides, I would think. I had hoped that it would involve Nymmeria, but at this point I would be surprised if it did. If nothing else, then they should have hung the Warg gun on the Wall at some point this year already.
Interesting theory! Although we probably won’t see this on the show, we still have the books to look forward to for some tinfoil. And let’s not forget about the
I’m with you here…
Windy,
And it’s definitely romantic, it’s based on Beauty and the Beast on the show, too. I am so happy that Sandor is returning, I think they are saving the best for last, and Sansa will find some happiness in the end with Sandor.Its based on B&B really? Never read that. I do think that at this point the last thing Sansa wants is a relationship with anyone let alone Sandor. Suspect she will find happiness without one actually. What I think might happen is that they connect in some way, and perhaps he becomes someone she feels she can trust. She does need that in her life.
Wasn’t GRRM a screenwriter for Beauty and the Beast? That would certainly be an interesting twist…
What major character is associated with Dawn? This is about Sam, not a sword.
Not related to any of the photos, but insead the synopsis.
Has anyone considered Qyburn as the HS’ new target? He’s been involved in things they may not agree with…
And it was this sword that Ned carried with him when he went into the tower. I wonder if there is any significance to that?
aabe,
Ginevra,
A recurring theme I am noticing here is that Sansa is gaining Stark balls and Arya is becoming a more tame direwolf?
Any thoughts on this?
sounds good lol thanks for sharing that image .
I think Cersei’s wearing her “I choose violence.” dress in that picture…and FrankenMountain’s standing right next to her in that shot.
Hoo, boy…
ok so i spent 12 hrs on trying to work out whats going to happen to Arya . i ended up writing out what will happen starting from breaking down the last episode we got at how they played it out to be misleading because of lack of detail on the many face god(TMFG) rules ,i did bit of searching on wika i think it detail from all the books . and i cut and paste some where i got info ,like rule of the gods and stuff.
im afraid im no writer i never read books ,and look out grammar correcting people u have ball go easy. it was weird as i was reading info, i could see how her storyline was gonna happen. it hit me like lightning ,just parts at first almost like image bran see it took time to make sense of them (12 hrs ). but weird part is when i got her to westeros , it started bringing 2 other hypes with one altered big shock kind way(huge way ,it will ruin GOT for ppl who don’t want to know what really happens ).
lol hope spoiler thing worked . and can i post something like that on here ? ill wait til someone says yes beforei don’t want trouble but i want my theory out there before next episode airs lol . ps still haven’t slept yet
yes for Sansa , but for Arya i think her story is REALLY take off in the next few episodes.
again i hope i did that spoiler thing right 😛
But why did she introduce herself to the actress as “Mercy”…… I think that might have changed my mind a little about where/what direction she is going. Yes, I think she will use Needle but maybe not in a vengeful way? Not completely sure at this point and I’ve not read the books, although at this point I dont think the books may tell me more of the direction she is headed.
btw, yes, you did spoiler thing correctly
I can definitely see where you’re coming from, although that’s not how I’d phrase their arcs. Both Sansa and Arya still have their same respective needlework, with Sansa’s embroidery and Arya’s sword. So Sansa is still Lady Sansa and Arya is still very much the tomboy she was when our story started.
Sansa is reacting to and recovering from severe trauma, so her personality pendulum has swung from meek and timid to assertive and aggressive. As she recovers, I expect the pendulum to land in between the two. Always the lady, every Lady Sansa, she will be a bit more progressive than the southern ladies, I expect, but that will help her to fit in up in the North.
Arya’s trauma started long ago, and she’s coming to the end of her stages of grief and recovery. “Tame” might imply that we could reach out and pet Arya, and I wouldn’t recommend petting an even partially-trained assassin. But Arya is certainly calmer, more resolute, and rational in her plans and in her person. Her list has been trimmed down to two Hitlers and a Frankenstein Monster. I’m okay with her offing all three.
She has mercy for Lady Crane, an innocent and delightful woman who is one of only a handful of people to have shown kindness to Arya in years. That isn’t the same as showing mercy to those who brutally slaughtered her family after giving them guest rights. Some deserve mercy. Some deserve justice.
Dee,
Me too
Not really. Dany came to know it was Varys and his little birds(at the orders of Robert Baratheon), who tried to kill her when Kal Drogo was still alive. She also knows it is Tyrion’s elder brother who betrayed and killed her father. Yet she and her council were easily convinced that these two men had her best interests in their heart with just few conversations within 1 or 2 episodes in season 5.
Looks like it is very easy to convince Dany by anyone that they are her friends. Shouldn’t take Yara and Reek more than 1 episode to convince Dany to side with them.
Characters in this show can return without serving a compelling plot point… As seen by the reappearance and subsequent death of Osha. There was no point in bringing her character back after 3 seasons and then kill her less than 5 minutes later.
i didn’t have that in my theory , but now that mention it . its a clue/hint that in the faceless men belief/ rules/ guideline, one that state a faceless man can refuse to complete a contract they taken (this im getting from wika that it’s in book somewhere).
The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service. In their at times inscrutable beliefs, they feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected – the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. The Faceless Men practice extreme self-abnegation, each devotee believing that they are “no one”, with no personal desires, and living only to serve the Many-Faced God.[5][6] Faceless Men are also frequently quote the High Valyrian phrases “valar morghulis” (“all men must die [sooner or later]”) and “valar dohaeris” (“all men must serve”) and this bit info is important too .The Faceless Men believe that they only help bring death to targets of the Many-Faced God – they do not choose the targets themselves for personal reasons such as revenge, they only kill the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. However, the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due.
from the above info i thought maybe Arya name is mercy for the reason she has mercy on that life , and chooses not to take it . or that it links to the rule if one feels like its against there religion (in this case the mother from the light of the 7 ) and so its how she doesn’t have to complete contract , she feel the mother mercy flow out of her telling her not to kill this life . i hope that makes sense im gonna post my theory for her story line soon u can read more 🙂 .
( SPOILERS FOR ENDING OF SEASON 6 Game of thrones ) (grab the tinfoil and put on an extra pair of socks because there gonna get blown off
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this is story line for Arya and those path she crosses . in much detail i could give as it would play out on tv. in the ( ) the 1/ and 2 / are 1 how i change its interpreted and the 2/ is how the show plays it or how i saw it when i watched it first time
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Arya hasn’t done anything wrong to upset the many face god to have her killed.she accepted a contract and then chose not to kill . The Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs.
(scene where girl waif tells Jaqen H’ghar Arya didn’t do the contract)
Jaqen hear girl waif walk in and says to her and ? the waif girl said to a man (Jaqen H’ghar). as i expected (didn’t kill and so failed to complete contract ).A man stares/pauses for a seconds (1/ he knows she just lied or not telling the full story or 2/ just thinking shame she has to die now, like he about to say )then replies shame( 2/ not knowing she had a reason ,a reason that lets her refuse the contract) she had many gifts( 2/meaning people on her list to offer to the many face god as gifts or 1/ he talking about the girl waif gifts going to waste now ).waif girl says u promised me (im guessing they had this kinda chat .if she ever fails( Arya was on her last chance) she get to be the one to kill her) A man takes even longer stare /pause (1/ he looks not amuse like first u lied now u pushing wanting something when u not meant to want stuff or 2/ minds little slow at remembering the promise) and nods( 1/ he nods upwards like not acknowledging/agrees what she said about promising her anything ,but agreeing to he own thought Arya will serve her punishment , or 2/ an upwards nod is no different from a downwards one like the waif dose next and agree with the waif ) ( 1/ is cool coz Arya basically ask for the Girl waif name to add onto her list when she says to her what name would u like a girl to speak 🙂 . ) and says don’t let her suffer. the waif girl nods ( a downwards nod agrees to do it painlessly as can) turns and starts to walk with an evil grin like she gonna cause heap pain and enjoy it(which is a big no no as u will find out further down a list why) and Jaqen turns back to cutting a face off (he kinda looks like he not impressed like he heard another lie maybe)
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if she can kill Arya then a death has paid for life that was meant to be taken and punishment served ( 2/ that what the waif girl thinks or what she told Jaqen so he thinks all even. lacking all details , only hearing one side of the story which turns out to be wrong).
1/ and 2/ if the waif has the upper hand and starts to make her suffer i think Jaqen could jump in kill the one who causes suffering . but i think Arya gonna use her skills that she learned, and tip fight in her favor, fighting without being able to see.She gonna wait in the dark or if spotted outside start a chase and lure her into where she set up camp.which looks to be dark underground room and grab a needle and play stab in the dark :).
2/Once Jaqen H’ghar hears Arya side,( i doubt he would kill without hearing her out if she started to talk) he won’t kill her, he will promote her to a servant of death(or assassin of death for the old gods in Westeros .) , show her how to use/change many faces from the faces inside house of black and white ( TMFG collection) without needing to walk in there and get them, no need to carry heap dead people face masks in a bag, Training over .
Waif girl had to die!punishment for failing many face god (1)in asking for a target,(2) wanting to make her suffer ,bad motive for doing it (3) she lied by holding details on what happened . break T.M.F.G rules and its death (she didn’t save Jaqen life like Arya, he no like her enough to waste a body ) .i’d say she probably
use her 1st chance when she first started training, but i think she above training level so no chances.
only death can pay for life ,as we learned when Arya was meant to kill the Thin man on the docks, but she got distracted and killed Sir Meryn Trant. With revenge as motive instead of killing him as a gift for the many face god for causing suffering to the girls/others, this is how she stole from the many face god(she also did steal a face too, but i think the chance are for like killing wrong and that miner thing just lecture why not to, ),.a man decides to give her a 2nd chance(maybe being at new student level u get 2nd chance) and so a man (Jaqen H’gar ) body dies in place of Meryn Trant, the debt must be paid(nice guy picking up her tab lol). cool scene Arya freaks oh no don’t die, he’s gone. lucky Jaqen had given his face/everything that makes him, to the many face god to serve . so he just gets put on another servant body(perks of being waif), which is the other waif standing behind her, and she goes onto another servant somewhere else in temple(from the way she act around Jaqen i’d say she a low level new waif ,knows the basic law/rules on serving but not sure if she been one long enough not to slip up/make mistake/break rules. to get to Jaqen H’ghar rank servant wise).
oh the punishment for stealing the face is a lessen. being temp blinded ,its also makes good for training the senses and also ups the test challenge playing the game of faces, if tell me your name a man will give a girls eye’s back. if a girl is no one then she doesn’t needs eyes, she passed proves she will be no one and gets her eyes back .
. A girl/no one/Death’s servants of the many face god should not want to cause suffering , the waif girl failed
(this is cut/paste guessing from book i got off wikia which help lead me to most my thoughts.
The servants feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected – the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. gifts to the many face god, and The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service The Faceless Men practice extreme self-abnegation, each devotee believing that they are “no one”, with no personal desires, and living only to serve the Many-Faced God.
So now trained she will serve the many face god by going back to Westeros serving there,killing people on her list that are still alive that are causing suffering to others still, will be made into Gifts to the many face god (Cersei always causing suffering lol and rest)
more facts well maybe facts lol
they only kill the targets of assassination contracts they have accepted. However, the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due: sometimes, if a powerful lord asks them to kill the child of one of his enemies, the Faceless Men give as their “price” that in return they will kill the lord’s own child (the lord can reject this, but it also means rejecting the entire contract). Daenerys was a princess and royal heir, so understandably a contract on her life would have been expensive – but at other times the Faceless Men might set an exorbitant price for an assassination contract, based on their own beliefs about how “important” the target is: a poor widow who wants to kill a wealthy insurance salesman that defrauded her will only be charged a modest sum she can afford, but a nobleman who wants to kill his own brother simply out of greed because he stands ahead of him in line of succession will probably be charged much more.
ok so now Arya back or heading back to Westeros.
Mountain is like cold hands :
Qyburn learned of dark things becoming a Maester , ways like how Craster’s serves the white walkers ,way to prepare/offer a man close to death to the white walkers and when he dies and bring there power to turn the body. then Qyburn also learned he can stick a blade of dragon glass into his chest it will stop the turning and makes him a slave to the one who turned did it . Qyburn commands him not to talk about what happen to him. so mountain is a walking zombie puppet for Qyburn who told him to do what ever Cersei ask , this all happens way down south where the old gods have no eye’s trees cut down. but the 7 pointed star watches over that area/group people. when the faith call for a champion or opportunity to volunteer to go against Cersei Mountain ,people laugh at the idea to fight him freely, after the laughter from Lannisters and few in crowd stops Arya with the face and body of the Hound, ( Cleganebowl !! ), who she left his fate to the gods and i guess the many face god took him , he was asking for death and because he help Arya and stop few bad people causing suffering to others , in a way he was acting same as servants of the many face god ,so when he asking for death ,death answers the gift is death and in return you give your eyes/face/body everything that makes you ,you . so death servants can use. The fight looks even match but Arya/hound will win , because before she goes there for that she of course goes and see family ends up getting given Brienne of Tarth Valyrian steel sword (maybe that whole lady stone-heart theory is true and Brienne gets Sansa to her first then when Arya shows up and Sansa/Arya/Catelyn together her oath is filled and gives the gift VS sword to Arya.) Arya gets a hit through the mountain armor and he shatters into little bits like white walkers do when killed , EVERYBODY watching the trial by combat jaws drop first time they seen that shit…. now Arya or who every follows her up to kings landing most likely warns the king and the faith that the white walker threat is real and that the nights watch NEED’s all to help. guessing the season over ends here or just after………….
it’s nice thought that the hound in some way/form beats his brother…….
ok so Mountain dead mean Cersei dies by law of gods and men. Jamie Pissed and sad but he has changed over the seasons slowly and seeing Riverrun stark reunion changes a man lol (mainly the dead cat walking ) so doesn’t seek vengeance/revenge ..
i did the spoiles thing a different way each msg i don’t remember what one i did that u said work lol
now im done lets us know what u think…. be gentle
Wow, Deepwood Motte!
Waited a long time for this.
Darren Prebble,
No comment per se, but wanted you to know that I am really enjoying your posts. Well written, obviously based on reading and watching you’ve done, and interesting as well. Stick around 🙂
spoiler code: [ spoiler ] text [ /spoiler] remove all spaces!!!!
means a lot to read that thank you. (even if its sarcasm, i can’t tell lol ) because my confidence level is low. with the spoiler thing so i leave the / in the last one just no spaces ? thanks again 7 blessing to you
i went to go watch this on my copy because from memory it sounds like you are right .I love how a lot of episodes change how you see/hear things in the episode that come before them. like at the end of each season you go watch all season again to fill the void between the next new season release date lol. anyway going back i was looking for the scene you posted and i stop on the scene where Arya and the hound run into the old guy who had been wounded . and having the info i learn about the many face god ways of living/rules .
( The Faceless Men see death as a gift from the Many-Faced God to end human suffering: either to euthanize the sick or bereaved who can no longer stand the suffering of living, or as a “gift” to end the lives of those who are causing suffering to others. As a result, these assassins view themselves as Death’s servants, strictly bound to His service. In their at times inscrutable beliefs, they feel that they are only helping to carry out Death’s will, and cannot choose their own targets (for personal reasons, such as revenge): they can only target those whom death has selected )
what jumps out at me is Mercy (name Arya uses in last episode) and in that scene hound acts like he is a many face god servant. both hound and Arya are really blank emotions ,as if they were no one 🙂 . its the things that the hound does after meeting Arya on there travels. his actions i think lead to where when he is crying out to be killed when Arya leaves him , i think the many face god answers him and takes his face /eyes /nose /everything that’s him, for gift of death, and that Arya will be played by the hound pretending to be the hound using his appearance and this is how cleganebowl will happen. one my new post before i replied to u now has theory using this .It also says the mountain is same as coldhands and bit detail on how he gets made south wall.and his death is hod south ppl have to believe in white walker threat.
i love it but that could just be because i made it
don’t mind me i’ll just keep the post flowing myself during the darkest hrs of the nights ( almost 5 am ) so i thought i share a comment i made on a facebook post that a lot seemed to like. it was a picture of uncle Benjen with txt on it saying so anything happen while i was gone , how Ned ? 🙂 i like it and it made me write this comment .. . love it . but im waiting for his conversation with Jon .benjen and Jon reunion , Jon goes uncle Benjen been long time i knew u weren’t dead , Benjen replies i did die but im back , Jon replies i died too and smiles. . Benjen like i got killed by a large ice sword wielding White walker, Jon’s face saddens as he says i got stab by an old man and a little boy. Benjen laughs well we can’t all have cool deaths now can we. then Jon like well my revival was awesome ,a hot priestess serving the lord of light gave me a sponge bath and haircut. Benjen smiles you got me there ,i started to turn into a wight but had a dagger pushed into my heart by wierd little tree looking kids who worship the old god , no sponge bath. Jon smiles, then Benjen say but then again,what u don’t know is that women is really that old that she could be your grandmother as he tells Jon this he slaps him on the back and starts holding his belly as he lets out a mighty laugh in victory
ems,
By something “significant” maybe Robb Starks will stating Jon as his successor?? 🙂
Darren Prebble,
Its usually pretty easy to tell if I am being sarcastic and if I am Im usually not praising the person at the same time so no worries 🙂
Darren Prebble,
Im keeping this in spoiler just in case
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I really really want to see this scene happen!
Hi guys here another thought that has crawled out of my crazy mind( im bored ) over something mentions twice in tv show between season 1 and season 4 i think it was .
Robb Stark: “One time she told me the sky is blue because we live inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant named ‘Macumber’.”
Bran Stark: “…maybe we do.”
i thought about how the many face god is just icon to represent death for all religions (meaning all same thing ). then i thinking what if there is really only one god and he name is Macumber
so i started to try and think other ways the words could mean.
the sky(world) is blue(makes me think sunny day/good/good crops/balanced/good times) because we live inside the eye(live by his ruling ) of a blue(good)-eyed (foresighted)giant(larger then man figure ) named ‘Macumber’.” have no clue how to turn the name into anyone in the show lol so must be his name. omg of course there a way ,same way Hold the door gets turn into hodor(RIP til bran gets u to stab yourself in chest with dragon glass in pocket ). just need all you good people to try figure what breaks down into Macumber ………
. so put it together i think it translates to :The world is good because we live and are ruled by a good foresighted Figure named Macumber.
,maybe name of a past blood raven the first to start everything changing towards a better future . and the children of the forest told first man about how this giant blood raven started to do great things to help all and keep balance in the world. and the deeds get passed on and the story changes each time mention, and over the years to be How Robb said it 🙂
so is it a real god or a old kind blood raven giant from long ago who deeds faded into fairy-tails or just fairytails or is it hodor my gentle blue eyed giant 🙂
also got something to make ya think for who ever reads this . Ned gets Arya dancing master an man name syrio forel from Bravos. Bravos people serve the many face god. now im thinking . he gives his life for Arya to escape, then again this time a man name is Jaqen H’ghar who help . im thinking what ever Ned mumbled just before they take his head was him saying he serve to his gods and he thoughts on seeing Arya in the crowd wanting her to be safe to get away or hopes she can look after herself. and the gods answer and use there servants of death to teach her there ways. which every word Jaqen says to her is a lesson in ways the many face god works. syrio teaches her ever hurt is a lesson learned , preparing her for a lot of hurts.
the Faceless Men will at times refuse a contract if they feel that it clashes with their strange and at times inscrutable religious beliefs. Other times, they choose bizarre “payments” according to what they feel is due: sometimes, if a powerful lord asks them to kill the child of one of his enemies, the Faceless Men give as their “price” that in return they will kill the lord’s own child (the lord can reject this, but it also means rejecting the entire contract). Daenerys was a princess and royal heir, so understandably a contract on her life would have been expensive – but at other times the Faceless Men might set an exorbitant price for an assassination contract, based on their own beliefs about how “important” the target is: a poor widow who wants to kill a wealthy insurance salesman that defrauded her will only be charged a modest sum she can afford, but a nobleman who wants to kill his own brother simply out of greed because he stands ahead of him in line of succession will probably be charged much more.
reason i cut paste that big chunk txt is for one point, that if ned did ask gods to teach and look after her before he beheading and the side of death for the ones ned served the old gods (which is part of the many face god) ,the servants of the many face god could choose price of nothing if they fell its something there god wants , thats if they even charge to teach/let ppl join which prob wouldn’t . so ned just ask for Arya be offered the choice to join the many face god and give the coin for when she ready . ha ha stupid crazy thoughts.
well the slow clap like a praise but sarcastic . so when i read what you wrote i think what u really saying is opposite . most my thoughts are completely nuts/far stretched ideas that somehow makes sense to me in some way and i have trouble getting it across to others. yeah would be funny if i got some part of the joke they put in right if Benjen every meets Jon 🙂
Anybody else noticed that the dress cersei is wearing in this image is the same as the ‘i choose Violence’ moment in the trailer? And the part where tommen and cersei are walking towards each other?
ElizaM,
Cersei has been wearing that same dress since Myrcella died. Nevertheless, because the summary has ‘High Sparrow eyes a new target’, we may get the ‘I choose violence scene’ in ep 7.
What great insight. Very refreshing.
I have a tendency to forget their complicated history that has shaped their personalities. I think if I begin to read the books it may reinforce what I’ve watched on tv. I may even need tor back and watch some of the earlier seasons.
When I read some of these posts iret reminds me of my literature classes where we would dissect a story and find so much more than and written word. So true is with this show. Very complex and stimulates intelligent coversation.
Thanks again for your insight.
If Jaime is packing Widows’ Wail (can’t tell from the photos), it would be cool if he and Brienne face off with the two parts of Ice.
Yes, this is probably even more important than the “little black dress” for most women’s wardrobe….
Brienne of my heart,
That is indeed what keeps me coming back here BTW reading the books is a very good idea, just be aware that what you will be reading will be different in some ways to what you have been watching, but I think seeing the similarties and differences will bring even more insights. And I have found that rewatching the seasons has helped greatly in recalling and putting the puzzle togetherw. Finally, go to the top and click the link to GOT 50, which summarizes each episode through season 5, and then gives you the commentary of the fans here. I found it very helpful esp going in to this season. Now its time for bed, and when I waken we’ll be that much closer to the episode!
Where did you hear this wonderful news??
The Mad Spring,
From here.
http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&seriesIds=PMRS1663&q=GAME%2BOF%2BTHRONES
LyannaBanna
if anyone has Widows Wail it is Tommen…it was made for Joffrey and much to small for Jamie
I thought Widow’s Wail was the same size as Oathbreaker: two shortswords made from one longsword.
i just had another thought(oh no lookout ) what if the waif kills Arya making her a gift to the many face god, and becoming a gift for him means her eyes/nose/everthing is available to be used like Jaqen. he can drink poison and die and show up on another body in that room . so waif girl kills Arya, and Arya goes onto the the waif girl body .
G,R,R,M did say the ending would be bitter sweet . people have to die to be resurrected and come back fighting for good/god. just like Jon and just like
Bran didn’t die but the Blood raven did for bran to become who he is . sansa well she died on the inside from all shit that fallen on her to be who she is lol .and Rickon i have know idea might get revived by red women as i would say if bolton kills him it would be right in front of Jon and/or Sansa .
Ginevra,
I remember in that season’s opener when they melted ice down – the two sword molds were different sizes.
I’m not contradicting myself. I agree that he lies somewhere in the middle.
However, I do think that (Show Stannis) believes in the Red God. He’s not fanatical, but he definitely believes in his power and that he is real. In his mind, the Seven are charlatan gods and R’hllor is the true god. I don’t think that makes him fanatical, because he is only believing what he has seen with his own eyes. The seven have no power as far as he has witnessed but R’hllor does. Stannis is someone who will not give up on something if he thinks it’s right. Thusly, he will not give up on the Red God. He will remove the HIgh Septon from his traditional place close to the crown and instead appoint Melisandre High Priestess of R’hllor his religious adviser. Anything else would be, to him, dishonest.
Meanwhile, he will be very busy trying to unite the realm after Blackwater. As a result, he will not have time to consider whispers from the North about White Walkers (and snarks and Grumpkins) being back. I don’t think this makes him stupid, or a bad person, or a fanatic. I think it makes him a human being. Tyrion after all did this exact thing in the books.
Stannis is likely to want (really – need – to have a hold on the country) to punish those who caused his brothers’ death, or who are “abominations” who usurped his position. That means Cersei, Jaime, Tommen, and Myrcella will all be executed at the very least. The part of the realm that believes in twincest will maybe applaud him for this, but there will always be some that say isn’t it just a bit convenient for Stannis that Tommen are Myrcella are secret Jaime Lannister bastards? This is going to make him unpopular with many. Child murder is generally not looked upon kindly. Maybe he’d banish Tommen / Myrcella instead but that has its own dangers. The Tyrells will never love him, and if the rumors about him assassinating Renly with blood magic got around, that would be looked upon very unkindly. Especially since by this point the High Septon would be supplanted by the Red Priestess. The Starks would make peace with him but they have no love for him and would return to the North. They don’t care what god the Southrons worship.
edited(i don’t know how to change my original post lol ) after hearing a mention of someone drinking a abortion tea in starks history, i think Sansa bolton baby abortion death is what really changes her into what ever figure she gonna be in the end. thats her transformation complete
GUYS I HAVE SOLVED THE WHITE WALKERS HISTORY!!!!!
what we know of them from show :
1)they were made by children of the forest to kill man (thats what we think yeah ?)
2)they stop killing man around time peace was made between man and children of the forest
3) there back unknown why
ok so here what i think
white walkers awoke again because of all the injustice in the lands. they were created by the children of the forest using there gods power/gifts to bring justice to are the injustice first men brought onto them . after many years the children made peace with man if they follow there gods and be just . man agreed .so the white walker threat was gone ,the world was just/balanced . but then more people came over to westeros and there beliefs are not just going by the old gods so the white walkers are reactivated to once again spread across the land and bring justice .turns out they really only kill those who done wrong and or don’t follow the old gods .if you follow the old gods and do wrong then u be punished and white walkers only see good or evil if u need to be punished its death is no lighter punishment. Sam had done nothing wrong in eye of the old gods this is why when Sam first see them when he behind the rock the white walker looks and ignores him
i like what grrm said how he like to write in a way that rewards people re reading . i love re watching the old seasons and knowing the secrets of characters from the new seasons ,i be like awe i see what you did there . totally changes how you view the conversations . what if Vary has a gift like warg and when he says he little birds he really does mean little birds, he wargs into to hear secrets. and that he only keeps a few kids around as cover lol .thinking of old scenes with varys makes a few very funny like awe i see what u did there . it also might explain why the sorcerer was interested in him in the first place and why he could hear the voice bam !
Darren Prebble,
So of all those 85,000 Wildlings at Hardhome (Who worship the Old Gods) every one of them was a bad person? What about Hodor? The Three Eyed Raven? Benjen? I highly doubt the Walkers motivations are noble, at least on human standards.
good answer . my answer to what u said can be found in answer i gave to a guy who ask why they kill children of the forest then , when i also posted i on facebook so ill just cut past that chat. Why did they also attack and kill the children of the forrest? Answer : well the obvious answer is because they attack first throwing there bombs and interrupting them from carrying out justice of the old god, or orders of the one in charge of carrying out old gods justice night king
little later on :maybe the night king is to Bran as Jaqen is to Arya . and wants to convince bran to serve the old gods same way he does , instead of serving as blood raven way. he stops bran’s training in learning to serve as a blood raven. basically 1 god two sections 1 serves by serving justice other serves by small changes in time., both wanting bran to serve there way. but bran as a kinder person wants to choose to serve as blood raven
lol its not in there can’t find it must of just thought it so here it is : Valar morghulis and valar dohaeris .all men must serve god good or evil and all men must die good or evil . if u good u die to serve god in killing the wicked in gods eyes its not a punishment . its only a punishment to those who bad . its 4 :38 am don’t push my mind too hard lol
Darren Prebble,
also make a funny joke when after hardhome scene the night king raises his arms as to say why you fighting me bro we on the same side lmfao
it does all fit in theory yeah ? i kinda feel like i became no one and then change into G,R,R,M lol
also there was a diner party where G,R,R,M was and a women ask if the others are pure evil or some else, he said she have to wait ,i think he means,she will wait and find out there not evil but doing what there were created for not evil but to serve justice :P.
oh i found the edit button 🙂 also i think the mountain is made same way but Qyburn made him to serve him and Cersei . queue shocking music dun dun dun DUN. so he made for Cersei ,and other made for old god.
this is to follow other stuff already said . so if u stab someone with dragon glass with intentions to make a servant for someone or yourself , that’s what u get. the children made them for old god , and in that being all religion is one god , the whites took from the many face god religion beliefs all men must serve in serving the god. ok now the mountain Qyburn made him with the intentions to make a servant for Cersei .which is why Qybrun says he won’t rest til all her graces enemies are destroyed ..queue shock music .qyburn lost his chains for dark experiments researching this :). the reason the white walkers stop years ago was men change there religion to old god same as what white walkers serve, so war stop because back then all of westeros was either first man or children of the forest .
aabe,
Imagine if Yara & Theon go to Bravos on their travels and Arya sees him. Does she even know what he has done? That would be great to see.
that’s a cool thought , Arya would run up and hug him . theon would act weird by the hug and Arya will know something up . since she has become really good at putting herself into another person shoes like when she tell actress how Cersei would act to sons death . all this would happen after Arya if fully into service of the many face god. so she might be able to see what a man life has been and at first she almost starts to get mad sensing what he did but her full devotion is to the many face god now and no one gets angry. so it turns out to be nice reunion. Theon fills her in on what he know has happen in westeros , and that Sansa is with Jon safe and Arya goes home to see them . im guessing theon and sister give her a ship to get home and when they make that offer Arya says valar dohaeris .:)
Well, chances are pretty good that some major magic is involved. Otherwise, sticking someone with obsidian is just going to hurt them. (Stone-age cultures would use obsidian for arrow heads, for example.)
I think that both Book!Stannis and Show!Stannis accept that the Red God is real: although I also think that neither of them is particularly impressed or thrilled with the idea.
However, Stannis’ moral absolutism does not stem from religion. It stems from the code of honor among Westerosi nobility. I think that the mistake is to assume that morality=religious beliefs, and while it is true that all religions create moralities, it is false to say that all moralities are created by religions. That is part of the struggle between the High Sparrow and the Lannister’s and Tyrells: the HS claims that nobody is above the morality of his church, and the nobility feels that their code of honor comes before the religious beliefs of the church.
But this is why I agree that Stannis would have made an awful king. He is a moral absolutist, and it does not matter whence your morality comes: if you adhere to in absolutely, then you will do many unethical things. And Stannis is a very unethical person because of his morality.
i hope it is true , works with my other thought, i don’t know if u seen or if i posted here that if the mountain is like white walker then Arya gonna be take hounds body and kill him and he will shatters like white walker and that’s how king landing finds out about stuff beyond the wall the treat that’s coming.
so Arya has to die to become a faceless man/girl bitter sweet grrm
im still hoping the hound dies serving out god like justice so arya can use him and kill mountain .maybe crazy
wasn’t off on arya lol . i think Arya still has to die she has to give up all she is to the many face god to become a waif , i don’t know if true, but i think it be her Resurrection transformation . all characters are or have been change by death in some way and start doing gods work after the awakening ,.i knew that Jaqen knew what was going on u can’t lie to him to the many face god. but i thought he was going to just let her kill Arya then punish ,as it be weird to punish before the crime takes place before the show i thought this . but after watching episode 7 i thought it was Jaqen as baiting. the waif will be killed by Arya. and if she can keep emotion out of it while doing she will pass where waif failed. after the waif girl left Jaqen after asking if she can be the one to kill her . Jaqen goes to Arya they have quick chat, all good she aloud to break a contract if it goes against her gods/ religion. and now Jaqen acts like Arya acting like easy target(throwing heap money around to start talk of a girl wanting to leave in a hurry) to let waif cause suffering, and she did. so now Jaqen is leading her to where real Arya waiting in the dark ,and the waif is going to be thinking, she really badly hurt near death, so guard is down and walks in saying can you hear me blind girl ?….no?.. .next second you hear the sound of needle going through someone and you hear Arya reply Yes…… this is all done in dark gonna be awesome new ending 🙂