We have a new batch of photos for you today, from the film preparatons currently happening in Spain and Northern Ireland.
This week continued to be a busy one, with new props and sets turning up in both countries, and we’ve heard that filming has begun at the Castillo de Zafra in Spain, as well. Photos of the locations are below the cut!
TodoPeniscola has shared more photos of the Game of Thrones set under way in Plaza Santa Maria and by the Portal Fosc, in Peñíscola, Spain.
Check out the rest on the TodoPeniscola site here
Belfast Live brings us an update on the (presumably) Riverrun set in progress in Corbet, Northern Ireland, where Game of Thrones has been building steadily for several days. With these new photos, we get a closer look at the trout sigil over the door and the Lannister-red tents set up around the cast.
Stop by Belfast Live to check out their complete gallery of images.
This week, Game of Thrones is filming the Tower of Joy story and we expect more updates later today from our Spanish friends. For now, here’s an image of GoT setting up at the Castillo de Zafra a few days ago.
We’ll keep you posted when we hear more about the big scenes filming this week!
Nice! I hope we see the Blackfish this season.
It’s time the Freys were kicked the F@#& out of Riverrun
It seems it will be the Tullys that get kicked out of Riverrun … 🙁
Hope we get some Dayne sightings…..And hopefully a Sean Bean sighting!
Riverrun looks good, but that has to be one of the storylines I don’t particulary look foward too, this year.
Is it just me or do those tents look a little cheap?
Hodor!
Sue. The people from los siete reinos told you what they know of season 6 and they cant say because its too much??
If yes. Jus say if is bad or good.
Man, they do put major work in to make this show possible. Sure it’s easy to bang on the show for this that and the 3rd, but next time u do just remember everything that goes into this just for our viewing pleasure. I am certifiably stoked for this season. Vamos!
Aguero,
”Good” and ”Bad” are subjective. What is good for one, can be bad for someone else, and the other way around.
Valyrian Steel,
Well the Lannister gold mines have dried up 😉
Well Tywinn did say all their gold mines dried up … 🙂
Hodor!
I always wonder about the sets and props. Does everything they make get tossed, saved, re-used? I’ve just always wondered about the amount of waste in the film industry.
Fu Manchu,
xylia1225,
Valyrian Steel,
Some good angles, and good lighting can do wonders
I wonder about the Riverrun storyline… The show has already established that the Freys are in control of the castle. What would the Lannisters be doing there now?
They say they know the last frame of Arya, Jaime, Tyrion and Dany this season…. i hope none of them dies.
Especially i hope Arya doesn’t get the LSH role and kill Jaime…..i will loose two favorite characters then. I wish it’s TWOW material…
xylia1225,
Good one! 😀
I just want to know if there are Walkers and wights at the battle. Any rumours or spoilers going around?
Is that what i think it is ?
Aren’t those screens supposed to be green?
So what is the Lannister army (or at least part of it) doing there? If this was a diplomatic mission, I’d assume they’d send just a dozen men or so, so they could stay inside the castle.
So there has to be some military conflict. It doesn’t really look like a siege, as those tents do seem a bit too close, so you could easily shoot them with burning arrows from that distance. My guess is that Walder Frey called for Lannister support, for whatever reason. But who could be attacking him?
Could it be LF? After his plan to sweep up the leftovers of the “battle” for Winterfell seems to has failed for now, as the Boltons didn’t suffer any losses, he may be turning his attention to the Riverlands and let the Northerners take care of the Boltons. He is Lord of Harrenhal, so that could give him a claim to the Riverlands. Or he’s trying to press Sansa’s claim (I guess she’s with him now).
I do expect him to switch sides eventually, there’s just too much to gain for him, despite the risk of open confrontation with the crown. He already has the Vale army, is on friendly terms with the Tyrells and could easily make an alliance with the North once the Boltons are defeated. This would give him control of the Riverlands (either straight up or through Sansa), so he would be at the front of a potential alliance of four of the seven Kingdoms if he could turn the Tyrells against the Lannisters. Seems like a LF move to me.
Another option is that the BwB is causing havoc in the Riverlands and Frey isn’t able to control them on their own, especially if the FM is also gaining power there. So Frey would need Lannister support to crush the revolts.
Another question: What are those grey tents? Did the Tyrells have to send part of their army, too? Or is it someone else? If it are the Tyrell armies and LF is attacking, I could see them stabbing the Lannisters in the back, depending on the status of their alliance. Would be more likely towards the end of the season, say episode 8 or so after whatever is going down at the sept has played out.
Lisa0527,
Of course we wont have WW in westeros in season 6.
Maybe something to do with all the green from the trees surrounding them making a blue screen easier to work with…? *shrug*
Castillo de Zafra is going to be stunning to see integrated into the show. I want to visit it again!
I don’t think the WW make it that far south. I expect them to make it to the Wall by the end of season 6. Unless they found some ships to get them there faster.
I think there are so many tents because of a Frey-Lannister wedding…
OMG????
Hodor’s Bastard,
I agree! The castle is just perfect!
Mr Fixit,
Just because it’s theirs given by the crown it means nothing. We only have Brienne mentioning it is theirs. She might have been just parroting who she knows should be in charge there. So It could be the Blackfish and Tully bannermen who refuse to open the gates and surrender the castle. It could be the Freys holding a Frey – Lannister wedding. Could be Walder Frey decided to be himself King of the Middle Westeros now that Tywin is gone and Lannisters are trying to oust them. Anything goes. I’m going with the first option. We’ll just have to wait and see.
I agree, the tents don’t look impressive but I don’t think they need to. Im not sure when they are filming there but they will probably be covered in dirt and faded by the sun some. More than likely they are just background anyway. For example lookingredients down on the tents assembled or walking through the camp of tent.
Conan Troutman,
Thanks Conan….
Hard to say what the Lannisters are doing there, but I am intrigued!!! Season 6 is going to be interesting, in my opinion. Things shift to the North as a focus, if not in all storylines, which is great.
why the hell looking got autocorrected to lookingredients is beyond me but the blackfish and Riverlands are back!
I don’t know what the Riverrun story will be. But until I see some concrete evidence, I still don’t think it will be the exact story from AFFC.
I could be wrog of course. But right now, many things could happen there. I would enjoy the blackfish/siege story as much as I would enjoy seeing Jaime there just as a guest. So until we have more info, I think it’s to hard to say wich exact storyline there will be there.
Interesting thought, but who and why?
The Lannisters are pretty much down to Cersei and Jamie as far as marriage options go. Cersei would probably rather toss herself from the Red Keep before marrying a Frey, Jamie is still officially a KG and likely out of fucks to give for his family and that’s pretty much it. Maybe Kevan if he’s widowed (is he? If have no idea). The Freys obviously don’t have that problem as Walder is still trying to throw his daughters by the dozen at anyone willing to marry them, but I don’t really see it.
The other point is that there’s already some sort of alliance in place. I guess you could try to strengthen it through marriage, but it doesn’t seem all that important.
Excatly we can not yet know if the Frey’s hold the castle or not, the reports were so vague and there are multiple other possibilities. The brotherhood could have taken the castle back with Blackfish leading them for example since this is what probably will happen in Winds with Stoneheart and the Blackfish could be involved. And not the Frey’s and the Lannisters try to retake the castle and Jaime has arrived to lead them and is taken by the Brotherhood.
But I feel the most simple expiation is that the Frey’s have just been there holding a siege since the Red Wedding and the Blackfish managed to make back before the Frey troops. It would not require much expiation by Jaime and the Balckfish for we to understand the situation So we may get to have the Blackfish Jaime conversation from the books.
Can anyone tell what the things on top of the wall are? They do not look like catapults and I do not know what else they could be.
Chinoiserie,
No idea either. But they are not catapults.
A video from ToJ!
Some stuff gets stored, some scrapped.
The stored stuff will sometimes be used in other things.
One example being soldier uniforms from the film Starship Troopers being used in an episode of TV show Firefly.
Sets will often be redressed and used for something new. I believe the Eyrie set in GoT started off as a set on the film Your Highness (which was using the Paint Hall before GoT).
Another reason why it can’t be a siege: The drawbridge is down! Obviously that would not be a great idea if you’re under siege.
Now that could be just for production purposes, but it seems like the crew has access from the other side, too. And that bridge looks a bit too detailed and medieval to be just for the building crew, I guess they would use something else if they just needed it to put up the facade – and there are indeed metal handrails for the last ten yards or so.
Gravemaster,
Do any of you guys have trouble watching videos?
I know it’s most likely my PC, but I would like if someone could help me.
The video starts, and it does haave sound, but the imagine stays black.
Anyone knows what I can/should do?
Gravemaster,
Did you shoot that??
Gravemaster,
It apears to work again.
It’s awesome!!! My hype level can’t go higher!!!
It apears there are around 4-5 people.
Dayne against 4-5 people would be just perfect. Enough people to show just how badass he is.
Gravemaster,
Okay….so I “think” we can now confirm that there is going to be the 7 on 3 fight at the ToJ we were all so curious about….or some manner of number combo. Because even though the camera is shaky it is clearly people (plural) having a sword fight.
I am almost on TMI overload with everything we have received this off season. But of course, I still always will look forward to any news. Thank you to Sue and the Crew and the “very fortunate on hand fans” who make this possible for us. *bows*
red viper,
No, it was Javi Marcos from Los Siete Reinos.
Conan Troutman,
Jaime mentioned other Lannister cousins “whose names he doesn’t even remember” in Season 4. They could just marry one of those cousins to Walder Frey now that he’s a widower.
I guess that now that the Bolton’s have Sansa, Dorne is on the brink of rebellion and the Iron Islands don’t recognise the Iron Throne’s authority, they must strengthen their union with the only ally they have left. Or perhaps the engagement was alredy made by Tywin Lannister, but the wedding couldn’t be formalised, because reasons.
Gravemaster,
Just a funny question. Did he hid in the bushes to film this? 🙂
Mihnea,
Probably : D I have read that the security is quite tight there, so he must have been like James Bond to get some photos and videos.
Conan Troutman,
That bridge could be down because they might film first the Lannister going in to discuss the terms of surrender with Walder Frey or the Blackfish (depending on who’s inside that doesn’t wanna come out). They never film in order anyway.
Or simply is the easiest or the most direct way to carry stuff that is needed from one side to the other rather than drive to the nearest real bridge.
Bridge down in one pre-filming shot is not a good reason to discount anything.
Mihnea,
From the angle, it appears that he came from over the top of a higher elevation that then overlooked this small area they are filming. Like has been said, the security is really tight on these sets, if he got up where he is from ground level front, he would probably have been given the boot, unless he camped out overnight. 😛
Thanks again Gravemaster for posting this for us to see.
Gravemaster,
Woah, Sandy!!! This is good stuff, shaky but it looks like it’s all happening! Thank you 🙂
It looks like there is one person standing there watching, just to the right of the fighting. Bran perhaps??
Gravemaster,
1 vs 3 while 2 lay dead on the ground
RFT,
Could be!
Fu Manchu,
Dayne against 3-4 people is something I always suspected.
Not to many as to make the fight to clunky, just enough to make Dayne look badass.
No. We had that old man with Arya and the Hound in S4E3 as well.
The last seasons Sand Snakes anti-fight (dance) comes to mind … PLEASE God don´t let it be that bad.
No dancing let them FIGHT!
I have watched this four times now…my eyeballs are cross-eyed. 😉 But it appears to me to be 4 or 5 people fighting and two people standing to the upper right…..and possibly a shadow or someone on the ground.
From the start it appears to be smaller, closer to the end, for a few seconds there are more people there. And we can’t see to the immediate left of the screen, there could be people there as well.
Why we need that conversation? Just to have BF escape again? LoL
Fu Manchu,
That is what happens when you put to many people in a small place,…wich is also UNESCO heritage…
So Dayne against Ned+2 others should be enough.
After all this time, I’m still in awe of the sheer scope of this production.
It also came up with the family that the Hound wound up robbing, too: didn’t they (or the father) complain that things had gone to hell in a handbasket after the Freys took over?
Anyway, why shouldn’t the Freys be in charge? They have Riverrun at the end of Crows/Dragons, don’t they? That means that they should have it now. There might well be something relevant to the overarching plot happening in the Riverlands in Winter, so they probably should just dive right into it.
mau,
I never understood some peoples obsession with certain lines.Like ”edd, fetch me a block”, or all this obsession with Jaime’s talk with BF, wich I consider a nice talk, but nothing amazing.
My spanish is very, very bad but I am capable of undesrtand a bit. If I got it correctly Javi was there again today and this video was filmed today?
Having in mind what we learnt yesterday the speculation of using same location for two totally different scenes seems more likely today. One with Indira Varma, and another of TOJ sequence.
Interesting
https://twitter.com/BryndenBFish/status/648937996708921344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
And what is your logic here, except that you want to see one scene from the books and sacrifice pacing of the show?
Why would D&D write a scene where Freys takes Riverrun at the end of S6? Obviously it is important that they have that castle for the future plot, and obviously nothing important has happened during their siege.
Edmure is still imprisoned and BF escaped. We have already saw that at the end of S3.
Yeah, I do not see why that is at all important. It is not as if the conversation was particularly stirring or creative dialog. And there is a chance that wherever the Blackfish is in Winter, that he’s doing something germane to the over-arching plot and/or story. (The latter seems unlikely, as it’s tough to envision him interacting with any of the Big 6 or anything like that: but, still, it might happen.) So, why waste time having him at Riverrun when they could just start with that?
That written, is there any indication that the Blackfish is in Season 6?
Wimsey,
absolutly none.
Wimsey,
I wouldn’t be so quick to endorse Mau just so you can move on to what you think the story is in the Winds.
Here is the full script.
Nothing about the Freys actually getting a hold of the castle there in 4X3. Unless you got anything else, my point still stands.
Most of the pics we see of the castle show it from the other side and I was assuming that would be where the fight was going to be. I guess not.
I think this is referring to what was just posted above by Gravemaster.
So, Ellaria will escape there? It makes sense that they want to introduce ToJ before the flashback.
I know that in the books Ned had the tower torn down, but who cares. Not important really.
lol. You do realize what a stupid statement that is? Practically you deny the existence of society saying that good and bad are subjective. And we all know that society exists.
The_Rabbit01,
Two separate scenes at that location make no sense. The Tower got pulled down by Ned and Howland. Ellaria would have no business there years later.
mau,
I agree.
Look at that ”tower”, does it look like something 2 people could take down?
TormundsWoman,
He said they rule the Riverlands and Brienne said they have the castle, and Walder Frey didn’t say that he need to capture that castle after RW.
So, it makes no sense for them to write the siege of Riverrun where nothing important happens.
JCDavis,
But why would he had chills running up his spine for Ellaria at ToJ?
Kaka,
I’m denying that what information Sue could give him, is either bad or good.
Like Stannis’s death for example, I tought it was good, someone else tought it was bad.
I’m sorry if I didn’t made myself clear. Still learning english, so perhaps there would have been some mor appropiate words, to express my toughts better, that I simply don’t know.
mau,
Excuse me?! Why would I give you and explanation of anything? The gentleman was asking for speculation on why would the Lannisters be there in force? I gave 3 options, one of which I prefered: to see the adaptation of something that I liked in the book. GoT IS and adaptation so far so I don’t understand what your point is.
And take it down a notch, will you. How about you present YOUR speculation instead of coming off weird and aggressive about what others would like to see.
In the books.
mau,
If anything I would like to have some Jaime-Genna scene. It was very nice to have someone with intimate knowledge of Lannisters but with different perspective…and funny too 🙂
Basically, if you accept onlly the line “The Freys hold Riverrun” as us that the Freys hold Riverrun (and ignore that Brienne basically said that), then, yes, we do not know that the Freys are in charge. However, we have absolutely nothing indicating that the Tullys still hold Riverrun. Whenever it comes up in any way, nobody mentions anything about Tullys holding out under siege. That really should have been mentioned if they wanted us to think that.
Again, why shouldn’t the Freys be in charge? They hold Riverrun at this point in the books. Whatever happens in the Riverlands in Winter happens with the Freys holding Riverrun. It’s possible that this actually is important to the Winter story (whatever that is). I think that the more important question we shoudl be asking is: why might Lannister forces be gathered outside of Riverrun in Winter? The Vale Knights? Trying to move to support the Boltons or Littlefinger?
Of course, this is another tricky question: which character’s story is going to involve the Riverlands? If Arya is ever there corporeally, then it will be at the very tail end of the season. People assumed that Jaime’s Iceland work was Riverland stuff, but did we ever get any confirmation of that?
After I set it to 1080 and kept pausing during the fight,….you can make out three white cloaks in the video
The talk of Jaime and BF is good, but my favorite speech at Riverrun is the one Jaime gives Edmure…
“I’ll send him to you when he’s born. With a trebuchet.”
LSR just posted an article with pics from the scene…they were far from the scene but I’ve got the chills anyway 🙂 http://lossietereinos.com/nuevas-imagenes-exclusivas-desde-la-torre-de-la-alegria-arthur-dayne-y-lyanna-stark/
Yeah, I think you’re the only one taking it there. There was context to the statement and it was right to say that Sue reporting if the secret was “good” or “bad” doesn’t make sense. What would be good or bad in this case? Really! Besides, if she’s keeping something secret she’s not going to give you freaking hints. It was a response to a slightly silly question and needn’t lead to a discussion of subjectivist epistemology.
My point is, they can’t adapt something that naturally belonged to S4 in S6, just because you like that scene. So, they could also adapt Melisandre’s conversation with Davos in his dungeon from ASOS in S6?
I think that Freys need Lannister support to crush the outlaws in the Riverlands.
mau,
Even if they don’t take it down on the show, Ellaria still has no busines there. She’s a minor character, why would they have her linked to TOJ in any capacity or even show a flashback of her?
darksianna,
You could have that with Kevan.
A little off topic but I’m so happy. I just found an official HBO Stark shield at the local Halloween shop! The North remembers!! (picture has some rainbowy reflections from lights hanging above)
FTW….WTF,
From the photos just posted by los siete reinos, there is clearly 4 people fighting against 1.
So… those are definitely not ballistas, then :/
The Tattered Prince,
Chroma keying is often done with blue screens, though green screens are used more often as of late. Still, in an environment completely surrounded by nature’s green, it’s obviously better to use blue.
Off-Topic Otto,
Thank you 🙂
darksianna,
Holy shit! They really are filming the duel with Arthur Dayne! And I can see young Ned (no way to tell if it’s Sean Bean playing him though).
THE HYPE IS FUCKING REAL.
Wimsey,
And one more thing about Brienne and her statement about Riverrun, the show has never tried to mislead the audience about something like that, so it is just wishful thinking.
TV show is too complicated to use the unreliable narrator.
mau,
Exactly! You need to combine, in a TV show, you can’t have hundreds of characters, it’s simply not possible.
mau,
Agreed.
Gravemaster,
Wow! Did not expect to have video of this. Still, someone needs to stabilize the video, because I at least can’t discern much…
People are confounding at least three different things. People all too easily use “It was good/bad” for “I enjoyed/did not enjoy it.” That is completely subjective. However, people also use “It was good/bad” for “it was well-done/poorly done.” These should be two separate statements: we have the phrase “guilty pleasure” for things that we know are bad films, bad books, bad shows but like anyway; conversely, we should be able to objectively recognize that a film/book/show does a good job of telling a story even if that story is not our cup of tea. And within a particular book or film, we should be able to recognize that, say, the characters are well-developed, but the plot is poorly presented, or some such combinations. (Great story, lousy writing/effects or spectacular effects, horrible acting, etc.)
And then, of course, there is “good/bad” for “good vs. evil.” Mr. Hitler was a bad person. Well, except of course, that he believed he was a good person. (The worst people always are the ones most convinced that they are really, really good, after all!)
Now, unless you are like that that one crackpot fan who compared B&W to Hitler for adaptive decisions (because, well, Hitler was big on adapting books evilly), the last one does not apply! However, it’s far from clear when people are using #1 or #2.
Redstar,
It would not be the flashback. It will be her escape from Doran, to introduce ToJ.
But what value do they really have? Random Lannister kinsman #34 and Jamie doesn’t even remember his/her name? That doesn’t make a for a good alliance.
Well, the Boltons don’t have Sansa any longer. Neither does anyone in KL know she was there in the first place.
I’m not saying there can’t be a wedding, if both parties feel like this is the way to go, okay. I’m just not convinced it would be that beneficial.
You’re probably right. I assumed it wasn’t a functional drawbridge IRL, but after taking a closer look at the pictures in the link, it seems like it could be working.
The tents are still too close for a siege, though, so I’d be surprised if it’s not Walder Frey (or another Frey) in there.
What strategic value has Riverrun? Is it more of symbolic nature, like it’s status as capital or does it offer a specific military advantage, like the Twins? It’s main advantage seems to be that it’s hard or impossible to siege, which is obviously good if you need to hide for a while. But what else is it good for? If anyone wanted to take the Riverlands away from Frey as a pure political/power move, I guess that person could be content with destroying his army and letting him hide powerless inside his castle, unless you really need Riverrun for whatever reason.
That seems like a decent possibility. It’s also possible that they are building up forces because of news from the north about re-gathering Northerners. There are a few different scenarios. My guess is that Jamie will wind up back up there to do whatever he does in the Riverlands in Winter: but obviously it will not involve Ms. Badly Needs Plastic Surgery!
mau,
Kevan is not funny 🙁
I for one hope for Oswell and Gerold to be there too. The thought of three badass Kingsguard guarding the Tower seems way cooler than just one, even a godly one like Ser Arthur. One of them was the freaking Lord Commander. Rhaegar left his best men to protect Lya. This says a lot.
darksianna,
Whoever is playing Ned, it looks like him from S1, I think people will be excited even without Sean Bean.
Gravemaster,
Great stuff. Thank you for that. Exciting.
darksianna,
I understand a bit of Spanish, they say that Lyanna was on set wearing a blue thing on her head to protect her wig just like Emilia when filming Dany shots, but I didn’t see that on this pictures…..
Redstar,
There seams to be only 1 KG fighting 4 other people, and thats how I suspect it to remain.
There is litle point in casting Hightower/Whent, when you have Dayne there.
Luka Nieto,
Okay I did it myself. Here is a stabilized version of the Tower of Joy video!
Wimsey,
I agree that they won’t waste time for the Riverland plot from AFFC. They just need the reason to put Jaime there and to bring back Freys to the show, because obviously that will play some role in TWOW.
I think that fighting the outlaws is the best solution, because the audience won’t ask “why now, and not before?” and with siege of Rivverrun they would certainly ask that.
We saw Riverlands in S4 in bad conditions, we didn’t see anything from that region in S5, so it makes sense that the situation would be catastrophic in S6. Almost complete anarchy and chaos.
Mihnea,
Thanks for letting me know about the photos…If you look at the second image in the really close up pics you will see a KG(not sure which one) in the center with what appears to be a KG already fallen at his feet,to the right of the KG is Ned or what appears to be Ned and to the right of Ned is another KG…It appears they may have short changed Ned on some of his companions
Luka Nieto,
Okay I stabilized the video myself.
Here’s a clearer version of the Tower of Joy video!
Mihnea,
There are a few dead people on the ground, actually.
FTW….WTF,
Missed the guy on the ground! Thank you for telling me!
Not so sure about the guy in the back tough..
Redstar,
This is how I would do it. If Doran banishes Ellaria and she goes on the run, she could easily stop at the TOJ, this is part of Dorne, isn’t it? Meanwhile Bloodraven is coaching Bran through his time/space travel visions and Bran’s eye lands on the present day TOJ, he sees Ellaria. Bloodraven tells Bran that that is not the right vision and to keep looking back until Bran is able to find Ned, Arthur and Lyanna and witness the promise me Ned sequence. That would be one way to link two separate and unrelated events. Bran has done this in the past, when he sees his father praying and then again as a child playing with his siblings, etc.
Luka Nieto,
Thanks Luka, this is sooo awesome 🙂
Yes, that is what they are saying. That she was dressed all in white and had a blue scarf on her head. I had to look really hard to try and see a woman in white with a blue scarf and I finally found something but I don’t think it can be possibly be that. To me it looks like someone with a reflector “thingy”, unless dresses in those days were shaped like octagons. The fight, on the other hand, looks impressive!
Luka Nieto,
Yup just noticed them. Could be a KG, could also be a northener. So many posibilities!!!
Luka Nieto,
I don’t think it’s cool… if you had reposted my videos on youtube without permission or credis I will be pretty mad
Mihnea,
7 v 3 is iconic now. I’m down with changes, but wish this was left intact. The Lord Commander was left there, it’s like a big deal.
It was said that there’d be 14 horses. Assuming two for each actor (one spare), then 7 ride up to TOJ. Is it going to be 7 v 1?
Kaka,
Wow, I can’t believe someone actually holds this opinion. So do you tailor all your likes and dislikes to the moods and whims of society at the time? How boring of you.
The existence of “society” does not in any way negate the fact that good and bad are ABSOLUTELY subjective, there is ABSOLUTELY no way of measuring or evaluating whether a thing is “good” or “bad” (both words are meaningless outside of human context anyway) from an objective perspective. How on Earth you could post such a ridiculous statement with such arrogance is beyond me. You realize reality exists regardless of what humans want, need, think, etc? And we actually have no say on what is true and what is not, and really have no way to determine which is which?
The whole population of the planet believing a thing to be “bad’ would not make it so, as “bad” and “good” don’t mean anything outside of human interaction, therefore making them “not real” in the grand scheme of things, because the universe doesn’t make such judgements.
Anyway, hopefully that long winded digression will make you think twice about such a misguided and totally inaccurate point of view. You may now return to your regular programming…
So who do we think are the major players in this sword fight? There’s clearly a man in Stark=esque gear who’s most likely Ned. Then there’s a guy with very impressive (what looks like) plate armour and a unique helm… probably Arthur Dayne. There’s another guy whose armour looks vaguely similar to Brienne’s from a distance.
Looks like there’s at least two other guys on “Ned’s” side who are wearing similar armour, probably leather with some kind of chain mail. It seems like at some point there’s only two fighters left, though the man in the Brienne armour appears to be observing (not sure if he would actually be in the shot, though). Can’t wait for this scene!!!
Wimsey,
I didn’t say that it most definitely happen. But I do think a siege where Jaime and the Blackfish or Jaime and Walder Frey are on different sides makes for better tv than a wedding of some unknown Frey third cousins or tertiary Lannister characters. What do you think will happen? Rather than beating down anyone else who’s presenting an opinion I’d like to see what your speculation is.
Frankly I’d prefer Walder Frey to declare himself a king rather than a wedding if the Blackfish siege and surrender doesn’t happen. Maybe Edmure took control of the castle under the Frey’s standard, promised to be a good Frey and now riots putting up the Tully banner. That could work too.
darksianna,
It’s unlisted, just for us folks. Honestly I did for myself; Youtube has an automatic stabilization tool. Hopefully someone takes the shaky footage and does a proper stabilization job on it 😉
Reading the article, it’s possible there are other Kingsguard. The video just shows the climax of the fight, and the filming has been taking 7-19 hours a day. The other two could already be dead at that point.
Redstar,
Don’t know man. Could be. There are some dead guys on the ground, preaty hard to see if they are KG or Northeners.
What I was trying too say is that it would not bother me at all, if it was only Dayne. I don’t think it would matter very much to the viewers if the LC is there.
The only thing they need to know is that Raeghar left a KG there to protect Lyanna.
And I doubt we will need all these subtle hints, if they show the TOJ, I fully expect them to show it all, baby Jon included.
Northern lady,
In comment section someone said that Lyanna is visible in first enlarged picture, and still I can’t see her…. Damn! But the fight looks amazing!!!!!
Luka Nieto,
It is unlisted but if I want now I can link to your video istead of the one uploaded by Javi and so steal him (unintentionally) vistits to his video and webpage.
darksianna,
Oooooh thanks to you too.
Pics aren’t very clear but they seem to practising rather than filming. It’s all sooooooooooo exciting.
Ok im grateful for the spoiler nummies, but all i can think about is where is that certain crannogmen ?
darksianna,
Well… please don’t, then?
Conan Troutman,
I looked again at the pics and I don’t know what to say. I mean the tents look so new and while many think they are cheap I find them festive and bright and not quite as close as I saw the tents at the RW. I suppose it could be a diplomatic mission but if that’s the case, what would Jaime be doing with the Frey that’s inside if they are allies? Plan to go North to stomp the Boltons who as far as they know have Sansa? That could work for those six armies but would they build a set just for that? Would it not make more sense then for The Lannister to meet Lord Frey at the Twins on their way North? I don’t know about a wedding? Too many have happened and it wouldn’t make a lot of sense to me to hold some unknown characters ‘ marriage just to build a set for Riverrun. If it is a Frey wedding, it would probably take place at the Twins since That’s the House seat.
I checked out the pictures, some of which were pretty close up, and I counted 6 fighters and something on the ground, although I couldn’t tell if it was a person or a horse.
It looks like a reflector “thingy” to me as well. Besides, why would Lyanna be outside the ToJ unless we are getting another explanation for her death…something other than the “bed of blood?” In the comments on that website, others are wondering about that as well.
This is amazing. It is the scene that I wanted to see for a long time.
House Adder,
Wearing a wig? But what about the ad for a stunning natural brunette? ?(Sorry can’t remember the exact words.) Sounds like they didn’t find someone with the right hair colour if this report is correct.
SciFiFantasyGirl,
It is almost always kept, been in the film industry all my life. We’re like hoarders, I’ve seen crews keep broken set pieces & fix them before they’ll buy new ones. No one has endless funding, even GOT. The only thing they’re known for and live up to, unfortunately, is leaving huge messes behind wherever they go, grip tape, garbage, etc. Outside, that’s the damage they do. Someone will usually clean it up, it’s not a big deal. That’s all of the wastefulness I’ve ever seen or heard of happening.
mariamb,
It could be that “Lyanna” has some outside scenes before the fight, before Ned comes to save her…
Luka Nieto,
Thank you 🙂
House Adder,
Or that she runs outside to see who is fighting and why. Ehh…I guess it truly doesn’t matter. We know that Ned’s recollection of the ToJ may be unreliable.
Let-it-Snow,
They use the blue hair net to protect the hair style, just google it, not just for wigs…. and more I think about it I am convinced that “Lyanna” will have some scenes outdoor before the fight…
I just hope they don’t have the men behind Arthur Dayne just stand there and not attacking him until it’s their turn. Kind of like Nymeria just twirling her whip and being useless during the SS fight half of the time. At least armor actually works in GoT, so they could have Ned’s friends fail at hurting Arthur even though they land a few hits on him.
One of Roose Bolton’s 20 good leeches,
I tought that guy was a stuntman or someone who trains the actors.
mariamb,
Maybe they previously shot her arrival at the tower to show that it was not a kidnapping
darksianna,
Or perhaps they will show Ned carring her out of the tower.
TormundsWoman,
I think the tents simply aren’t as close as they were at the RW because, well, there’s a river so where are you going to put them? The distance seems to be between 100 and 200 yards – close enough I think for arrows (they don’t need to have enough speed to pierce armor, just to reach the tents and set them on fire) and certainly close enough for catapults.
Jamie could very well be there to talk with Walder Frey (or whoever holds the castle). But it’s more than just a diplomatic mission. I doubt he would take 50+ guards who had to be camped outside of Riverrun if he were there just to talk. So whatever it is, he’s there to take action.
I didn’t even consider a strike against the Boltons because they and the Freys are allies, but if words get out that Ramsay married Sansa (and it will at some point), Cersei will be pretty pissed. So she could send Jaime to bring her back to KL/kill her on the spot and/or declare war on the Boltons for treason. I like the idea of a Lannister/Tyrell involvement in the battle of the six armies.
I also tried to see Lyanna….but I couldn’t spot her. There is a photo that shows a red circle around one person labeled Lyanna, but unless she is in armor, I don’t think so – that person has long blonde looking hair.
This is all so VERY VERY cool.
Mihnea,
Yeah, I think you’re right.
For season 5, they reused the S4x02 Purple Wedding-set as part of the outdoor Braavos-set they filmed in Croatia. They repainted the boards, which featured the Lannister/Tyrell/Baratheon-motif.
As for those small red tents being lined-up before Riverrun. It’s giving me S1 Battle of the Green Fork (the one where Tyrion brought his clansmen) vibes. I really like that a lot. And as it’s Lannisters besieging Riverrun, that can only mean that the Frey’s haven’t been able to claim it yet. The only person from the Riverlands being able to cause that is the Blackfish. I’m 85% sure we’ll see his return, as well as Walder Frey. It may just be a one episode shoot, but this scene requires Clive Russell. I can only think of him – or in a farfetch’d scenario: The BwB have taken Riverrun, doesn’t make too much sense, but they’re the only other Riverland players still “active”.
I can’t contain my hype for S6. It’s just too much. The series going back and beyond! Back to the roots and beyond the books!
TormundsWoman,
If they were keeping it secret, then they simply would not mention it. I do not think that they have ever resorted to flatout deception before. At this point, there simply are multiple references to the Freys holding the area and zero references to any sort of siege.
As to why the Lannisters are there, well, the only thing that I am assuming is that they won’t be doing any of that stuff from Crows: that was last year. My best guess is that the Freys are the closest thing that the Lannisters have to allies right now, and that this is a response to some joint threat. If I had to speculate, then I would posit that the band of outlaws about which we have hear a little have something to do with it. Why? Well, that’s basically the only thing we’ve heard about that might involve the Riverlands.
It is possible that this is also a wedding between some Lannister Scion and another Frey, and that there will be some joke about the Lannister’s being prepared for Frey weddings: after all, if Arya is going to be in the Riverlands (or even there in proxy via Nymmeria), then it might well be to make some Freys pay for the Red Wedding; so, references to it would be good. And if the Lannisters are as badly beset as I expect that they will become in Winter (and next year), then they might be desperate for any sort of ally. (Scary a thought that it is, the Freys are about the only named family left that is not against them!)
But this is just short of arm-waving. There are so many directions that GRRM and B&W might be going with this that the odds of any one idea being correct are pretty damn low.
Conan Troutman,
I’d say Cersei might send Jaime North for Sansa if she has half a brain not to trust Petyr Baelish. But see, she might just let Baelish get away with his plan of rallying the Vale and going North believing he’s fighting in the Tommen’s name. Why would anyone trust Littlefinger is beyond me. But they totally do. Roose, Cersei they both did so far.
Wimsey,
That’s not a bad bit of speculation, Wimsey. It requires some introduction to new characters that we hopefully will take a liking to, but who knows.
I would like to point out that this possible storyline that you mention about the Frey’s getting attacked or threatened at Riverrun by a rogue brotherhood is not exciting in itself. Not unless you get some recognizable character there besides Jaime. Walder Frey is not someone we like and he’s getting support from Jaime. It’s a bit like playing with fire showing him in cahoots with the one “who’s plundering and robbing and raiding” (to quote the man that the Hound spoke with) after trying to make him a sympathetic father and a changed man last season. (Then again there was the little thing with rape so who the hell knows at this time…)
I like the idea of Arya going back in THAT particular storyline. Hope that’s happening!
As for the multiple mentions of the Freys holding the Riverrun: I’m not convinced. Except for Brienne the rest is conjecture. It’s Walder Frey back in season 3 (of course he’d say that!), and an old man saying the Freys raid and plunder the Riverlands. It’s not that much really.
If the hypothesis that this is the leadup to a Frey/Lannister wedding is true, then it seems most likely that this will be old Walder getting hitched to his latest barely pubescent bride – who then peels her fake face off in the bedchamber and crosses one more name off her list.
TormundsWoman,
Cersei might still trust LF, but Ramsay didn’t marry Sansa so that they could keep it quiet. They wanted legitimacy in the North, which they can only get if the other Houses in the North know about it. So it has to leak to KL eventually. The little birds there may not work as fast as Sue’s, but Cersei has to learn about it at some point and I really can’t wait to see her go apeshit about it.
I think the show made it pretty clear that Roose doesn’t trust LF at all. Two backstabbing weasels recognize each other and he did read all those letters. I guess LF knows that this will ultimately lead to war and he’ll be prepared for that.
Of course this is all just pure speculation, but it would be way more exciting than the Lannisters just helping Frey to crush some boring revolt (although it’s not mutually exclusive, maybe that’s the in-universe justification of why the Lannisters are there when hell breaks loose) and we do have the six armies hint.
Conan Troutman,
Cersei knows that Sansa married Ramsey, LF told her.
And I see litlte of what she could do, even if she goes full ”apeshit” as she is no longer in power, nor do I expect her to ever have power in KL again. Especially not enough power to do anything against Bolton/LF.
She indeed went apeshit… back in Season 5, when Littlefinger told her all about it —except for his involvement, of course. That’s the whole reason Littlefinger has the crown’s permission to invade the North and take down the Boltons! A plot thread we’ll hopefully come back to in season six.
Another reason why it can’t be a siege: The drawbridge is down! Obviously that would not be a great idea if you’re under siege.
Now that could be just for production purposes, but it seems like the crew has access from the other side, too. And that bridge looks a bit too detailed and medieval to be just for the building crew, I guess they would use something else if they just needed it to put up the facade – and there are indeed metal handrails for the last ten yards or so.
Don’t see the logic here when they could easily just be filming Jaime meeting Blackfish first, in which case the book obv. describes them meeting with it DOWN, and thusly:
“…. as he waited for Jaime Lannister at the end of the drawbridge, alone atop a chestnut courser caparisoned in red and blue.”
So all in all, I woudla gree that at this stage there’s still no guarantee of them retaining the FFC action and dialogue bewyeeen JL/BF/Edmure, but it hasn’t been ruled iout yet either, so I reaaaally hope they do! 🙂
What’s people’s fascination with the dialogue between Jaime and the Blackfish? Can someone explain, please? I revisited the text, because I thought I was crazy, and I still can’t see anything particularly epic or cool or catchy (which is the kind of thing that seems to catch the attention of most fans), or artistically fascinating for that matter. I mean, I enjoy the Blackfish’s brashness, and Jaime being diplomatic; but that has nothing to do with the dialogue itself! If people want to see that particular plot point, I get that; but what’s with the disproportional fascination with the scene’s dialogue?
Then again, I never got “Edd, fetch me the block” or “Only Cat”, or countless other examples. The lines are not particularly interesting; it’s all about the moment, in these cases the twists, that they represent. Yet people become enamored with the particular words and enraged when the show adapts the story of the scene instead of the words. Still, I get the disappointment, as they were words that you were expecting. However, I can’t see anything remotely similar in the encounter between Jaime and the Blackfish. I have never seen anyone quote the scene, yet apparently it’s dialogue that some of you are eagerly awaiting to be adapted in the show. I’m confused.
Lannister tents. Frey tents. Siege of Riverrun.
Luka Nieto,
Me too mate, I can’t understand this fascination with specific ”qoutes”.
As long as those worde express the same message/emotion, then I don’t care if it is, ”only cat” or ”only your sister”.
Or ”Edd, fech me a block” and ”Olly bring me my sword”, to me this are identically, in meaning and purpose. Those are angry at this have only one reason, ”it wasn’t in the books”, wich I consider null and void.
As the guys from Cinemasins said, ”The books, don’t f*cking metter.”
and yet there wouldn’t be a show without them
biobi,
The shows owes them nothing, it isn’t like Martin gave the rights for free. They paid good money for them.
If anything the books owe their increased popularity to the show. It turned a small to mediun fantasy series, into a world-wide fenomen. Wich is also something that some book-readers don’t like, the series they liked beceme ”mainstream”, wich is bad, somehow.
Luka:
Erm, well the fascination is probably because, while you personally may have forgotten, there are a tonne of great moments in their exchange I can easily imagine Clive Russell and Nikolaj hitting a home run with, e.g:
BF: “~Do you wish to resume your captivity? Your old cell is still available. We’ve put fresh rushes on the floor.”
JL: “That was thoughtful of you, Ser, but I fear I must decline. I prefer the comforts of my pavilion.”
BF: “Whilst Catelyn enjoys the comforts of her grave.”
Or how about ….
JL: “Are you calling me a coward?”
BF: “No. I’m calling you a cripple.”
Or:
JL: “We have twenty times your numbers.”
BF: “Twenty times the men require twenty times the food. How well are you provisioned, my Lord?”
All pitch perfect writing for the characterisations the two actors in question have already brought to the table; I can practically hear them say those lines with added snark, eyeballing one another.
And as for Jaime/Edmure, Exhibit A , your honour ….
“You’ve seen our numbers, Edmure. You’ve seen the ladders, the towers, the trebuchets, the rams. If I speak the command, my coz will bridge your moat and break your gate. Hundreds will die, most of them your own. Your former bannermen will make up the first wave of attackers, so you’ll start your day by killing the fathers and brothers of men who died for you at the Twins. The second wave will be Freys, I have no lack of those. My westermen will follow when your archers are short of arrows and your knights so weary they can hardly lift their blades. When the castle falls, all those inside will be put to the sword. Your herds will be butchered, your godswood will be felled, your keeps and towers will burn. I’ll pull your walls down, and pert the Tumblestone over the ruins. By the time I’m done no man will ever know that a castle once stood here.” Jaime got to his feet. “Your wife may whelp before that. You’ll want your child, I expect. I’ll send him to you when he’s born. With a trebuchet.”
Damien,
All perfectly servicable banter… exactly the kind of thing that abounds both in the books and the show; hence my question about the fascination with the dialogue in this particular scene. In fact, I’d say both the books and the show have plenty of examples that outshine anything here. I like that exchange, don’t get me wrong. It’s just not because of any quotable dialogue. Then again, AFFC doesn’t have many of those moments. Meribald’s “The Broken Man” and Doran’s “Fire and Blood” speches are wonderful, though.
Well, I can only speak for myself, obviously, but the culmination of the scene beginning with Jaime’s parlay with The Blackfish is Jaime’s threat to Edmure about returning his child from a trebuchet. Many regard that as an (albeit, horrifically) iconic JL moment, and I do too.
Servicable banter? There are deeper undertones for me. The Blackfish conversation reminds us of his intense love & loyalty for his neice and great-nephew, for one. And by the time you get to the Edmure in a bath scene, it’s a perfect oppotunity for the show to remind us that, for all his sidesteps to redemption, Lannister is still an intensely ruthless man.
The same man who pushed Bran out of that window. The same man who – pages prior to this incident – lectures the Freys about not just making threats but having the balls to carry them through. So by the time that Jaime says it, we also know he would’ve been prepared to act on it.
And that’s bloody scary counterpoint to his last scene in a bath house where we all thought his redemption was pretty much a done deal ….
Mihnea,
Luka Nieto,
Oh, I totally forgot about that.
I agree that Cersei won’t have absolute power in KL again, but once Kevan is gone, she should still have command over the Lannister forces. Of course it could’ve been Kevan who sent the army to help Frey, too, but Cersei makes more sense from a storytelling perspective.
The show covered that aspect of Jaime’s character evolution last year in a completely different way. That was useful for the “kill the child, let the adult be born” story from Crows/Dragons. Now, we do not know what Winter’s story is: but GRRM has not repeated stories yet in this series, so we can cross proverbial boy/girl-> man/woman off of the list.
At this point in the series, the Blackfish (who is a tertiary character in the books and on the show) is on the run and Riverrun is in the Freys’ greedy little paws. Whatever plotlines GRRM is setting in the north for Winter are based on this, and those plotlines (hopefully) are germane to the Winter story. So, there simply is no point in retreading stuff that was written for a different story. Indeed, at this point, it would confuse the audience: didn’t the Freys take everything from the Tullys already? (And, of course, unless viewers binge-watched the series recently, they won’t remember Blackfish very well after 3 years.)
I know that you are not a native English speaker, but can you not consider the possibility that for those of us who are, the words really do matter? That certain quotes in the books are so perfectly expressed to a native ear, are so resonant that they have taken on an iconic quality? Maybe you just don’t hear it that they are “quotable” because you are still struggling with the language yourself (for example, always typing “tough” when you mean “though,” which is really confusing to readers because they not only have extremely different meanings, but don’t even rhyme).
There are plenty of lines in the show that weren’t in the books, where people who prefer the books don’t get upset about the changes. But certain others have taken on a life of their own, long before the show was created. Those are the ones that generate an outcry when they are changed. If those changes don’t bother you, fine; but don’t belittle the people who do value the originals by suggesting that they have no other motivation than wanting the show to reproduce the books word-for-word. It isn’t true and it isn’t fair and it isn’t kind.
Firannion,
Perfectly fluent native speaker here.
Don’t give a crap about them changing it from Edd/block to Olly/sword. I agree, the lines serve the same purpose, and it’s nitpicking. Certain small changes bother me too (like “Only Cat” being swapped out) but I can acknowledge that those changes are only a problem for me as a book reader with a love for a phrasing for a personal and biased reason. That doesn’t mean the show is faulty or has written an inferior line for altering the line of dialogue to one more functional for the show’s needs.
So we agree on ‘Only Cat’ and disagree on ‘Edd, bring me a block.’ However, it’s obvious that many, many other reader/viewers share my ‘personal and biased reason’ to cherish the latter line. I don’t see how loving great lines, and feeling sorry when something else is substituted, is nitpicking.
I think you missed Sue’s point. I never read the books. This is an adaption of the books, and there will be changes. I don’t know anything of the dialogues from the book. Lamenting that the words are not exactly the same as in the book is nitpicking. As long as they have the same meaning, does it matter?
Firannion,
There I go mangling an iconic GRRM quote myself! I meant ‘Edd, FETCH me a block,’ of course.
I recently participated in a discussion of the Mr. Creosote scene from ‘Monty Python’s The Meaning of Life’ in another group, and I guess I’ve still got ‘Bring me a bucket!’ stuck in my head. In fact, maybe that’s part of why I like Jon’s original line to Edd so much!
Yes, it does, if you love the language. I just tried to explain why it matters to me and to many other readers. Sorry if I am not making myself clear.
Not to say that GRRM is Shakespeare by a long shot, but would you expect people to be happy if they went to see a production of ‘Hamlet,’ say, and the director decided to change ‘To be, or not to be? That is the question’ into ‘I’m really having a lot of trouble trying to decide whether to commit suicide or not’? They have the same meaning, after all.
You are making yourself perfectly clear, imo. It’s others who now seem to be ‘nitpicking’ at what you’re saying. 🙂
“Only Cat” vs “Your sister” didn’t bug me. “Edd, fetch me a block” vs “Ollie, bring me my sword” only bothered me minimally because, well, I like Edd, and felt Ollie was made really freaking obvious all season. But provided people aren’t having histrionics, calling D&D hacks, saying it ruined everything, telling people who are ok with it that they’re like, SO wrong, and all the usual vitriol, what’s wrong with it being a little disappointing to some? They’re words that stood out as representing integral scenes in the story to some of us, and that’s ok. Lord knows people rail about everything else without being pointed out for it. 😉