New promotional photos have surfaced for this week’s Game of Thrones episode, The Queen’s Justice. If you believe the queen in question is meant to be Cersei, I’m afraid she’s nowhere to be seen here, but if you expect Daenerys you’ll be quite happy.
And, of course: Do you want to keep being relentlessly teased about the historic meeting between Daenerys and Jon in Dragonstone? Look beyond the cut!
Aside from the obvious event here, I’m very much looking forward to what Tyrion and Jon will have to say about where they ended up since they last saw each other. I’m also curious about how the two most crypic people of Westeros communicate to each other. Will Melisandre and Varys dance around whatever they’re discussing so much they’ll fail to actually communicate at all? Now, that would be quite funny.
I really like both Dany and Jon but nothing about this meeting excites me in any way
Its just such an obvious matchup with so much book foreshadowing and fan speculation
Eh – the caption ‘Peter Dinklage as Theon’ is pretty entertaining!
Can’t wait for this, hopefully it will be a fantastic scene when they finally do meet!
Peter Dinklage as Theon???
Goodbye Northern blue instagram filter!
I wonder what Varys is whispering there.
Love the picture of Tyrion with the wind blowing his hair.
Every role in GoT is played by Peter Dinklage CONFIRMED!
Grayven Reyne,
I’m up for that.
Daeryssa,
That just shows the ability of Peter D. to play multiple parts.
Daeryssa,
Grayven Reyne,
I’ve been transcribing Petra saying Theon’s name for hours now for tomorrow’s “Glass Candle Dialogue” and it just snuck in, somehow.
I wonder if Arya could wear Tyrion’s face?
She could always crouch down a bit I guess.
Speculation…
Think wind-blown Tyrion is talking to Jon after the initial meeting with Dany where she insists on him bending the knee before anything further will be discussed. His face almost looks like he’s pleading for him to reconsider.
ZOMG!!! Jon finally setting his foot on soil that is south of Winterfell!! I am sure he will be sweating in his northern clothes!
It’s expected, but wonderful to see these meet-ups that have never happened before: Daenerys and Jon & Davos, Tyrion and Davos, Mel and Varys.
So hyped for this episode! Can’t wait for all these characters interacting with each other!
Can we start a campaign and a crowd fund to get much needed dire wolf scenes filmed and inserted into the episodes after the series is finally finished and released?
‘Who left the dogs out?’ Special Edition
Why is Jon’s brown leather armor suddendly black?
Does everyone have to wear black this season?
Damn, the confrontation between Mel and Varys looks epic. The scenery!
Is it just me, or does Missandei look a little less stressed than she usually does? I think I notice a little smirk even. đ
Hmmm. The reactions from Jon and Davos upon seeing Melisandre will be verrryyy interesting indeed. And if they tell Daenerys why she can’t set foot in the North again under penalty of death, “The Queen’s Justice” might mean catastrophe for Mel. Looking forward to seeing how this will play out.
I am HYPED about two specific things:
1. Jon/Daenerys/Tyrion, OMG, the ice and fire will finally meet, I promise I won’t cry, well, just a litle.
I sincerely hope that Jon thanks Tyron for treating Sansa so well, and also that he gets along (flirts) with Daenerys. #JonerysIsComing
2. Bran arrived at the wall in episode 1, I am calling it, Stark reuniĂłn is coming! God, Sansa and Bran, they’ve never had a conversation before, they’ll need to catch up, well, I get Bran knows what happened to Sansa, but she will have no idea that her sweet little brother spend years in a cave learning how to become a tree wizard đ
I AM SO EXITED
I wonder if Mel and Varys conversation is all in Valyrian?
The native tongue of both of them.
As I remember Varys has had only one length of Valyrian, which I thought was odd since when Kinvara showed up… expected he would translate her presenters speech to Tyrion. Or that he and Kinvara would exchange a couple of words.
Maybe Jon brings up white walkers and Dany looks to Varys, to ask if he knows something about it?
I’m interested to hear the duscussion between Varys and Melly. Will she know the words spoken in the flames when Varys was cut? And is Sam in trouble?
Too bad Dee can’t/won’t see that photo of Jon striding through the water. Very nice!
Ah, Missandei has that special glow about her.
Still grounded on Dragonstone? No recon effort yet? Forcing leaders to make months-long journeys to treat on the island? Why not fly around and make your presence known? Yes, I’m looking forward to cool interactions and dragonglass options but this is getting ridiculous.
Alvaricomg,
Jon FLIRT with someone?
I know Kit Harrington could probably get his DNA firmly dispersed right now among large swathes of the female population, but I can tell you that has little to do with his portrayal of Jon Snow as a flirtatious bed hopper.
Um my analytical and insightful comment on this is *clears throat*:Jon looks so hot.Actually both Dany and Jon look extra pretty which makes sense considering they are,as they say,dressed to impress lol.Can’t bloody wait.I’m literally wishing my vacation away.
Is Greyworm still in bed with a smile plastered on his face?
Thoughts:
A lot of interesting reunions and first meetings here other than the big one.
– Davos and Melisandre hardly parted on good terms
– Jon and Melisandre are in the same space again after he exiled her; will she tell Daenerys and her team that Jon was resurrected? Will Jon or Davos tell Daenerys that Melisandre burned Shireen alive?
– Tyrion and Jon got on well in season one, and there was a mutual respect that developed between them in the three episodes they were around one another. But it was Jon the Boy that Tyrion knew; it is Jon the Man that is coming to Dragonstone
– Melisandre and Varys interacting one-on-one looks like it could be an interesting conversation
– Tyrion and Davos were on opposite sides at the Battle of the Blackwater, a battle in which Davos’s son died
And that’s before we get into the complexities of Sansa once being Tyrion’s wife and the fact that LF is at Winterfell.
All in all, I think Jon’s pronouncement that yesterday’s wars don’t matter any more and Daenerys’s decision on pardoning those who once served the enemies of House Targaryen will be tested as these characters come together.
THE BIG ONE – I cannot wait for this! It took 62 episodes for them to say each other’s name and now they are finally meeting. These two characters have been the furthest away from each other geographically, but their stories have mirrored each other so beautifully. And it is fitting that the last two Targaryens meet on Dragonstone.
And Sam! We’re getting more of the Citadel, which will be fantastic. I am looking forward to watching the fall out from Jorah’s treatment in Stormborn. The Citadel scenes so far have been amazing, and it is great to see more of Sam – we got so little of him in season six.
Dothraki sighting. The drawing on the right in the Sam pic looks like an Other. Maybe not though. The Varys/Daenerys pic looks like the moment before someone gets sentenced to death.
I’ve been thinking about glass candles a lot lately especially when it comes to Euron (excellent tracking device for stalking Martells affiliates and errant relatives).
Looking forward to that dialogue.
Thought he said he would kill her next time he saw her?
It is interesting to know if they meet.
I’m afraid the title might refer to three queens: Cersei, Dany, and – this one I fear the most – Sansa. What if Sansa reversed some of Jon’s decisions and applied her own justice? Run far, far away, Alys Karstark and Ned Umber.
I imagine Dany’s justice will be cruel, too, since the last time we saw her justice was when she crucified the masters. And we all know that Mad Queen Cersei’s justice will be hard to watch. Fire and Blood, Bitches. Fire and Blood.
Despite me saying this isn’t exciting to me,
it will probably all hit me like a freight train once it happens, lol.
This will be great! Sure it won’t be a perfect meeting but I’m looking forward to this nonetheless!
The last Targaryens meeting at Dragonstone for the first time!
So powerful.
It looks like he’s wearing a brown quilted gambeson under a black armored doublet with the House sigils.. which probably counts as formal wear considering he’s travelling in a rowboat.
(Edit: In case it wasn’t clear, I meant the portion of the trip from their ship to the landing spot.)
Alvaricomg,
Don’t worry, Chad. You will get your fan service
Since Dany and Tyrion met in S5, Dany’s meeting with Jon is the biggest in this story. I thought they won’t meet before the end of S7.
Sam is getting a Citadel reprimand.
Why? Theon torched 2 kids. Ellaria poisoned myrcella, and Dany never said a word about it.
I was willing to go with it.. Theon is going to have to swim back to Dragonstone, and we all know cold water does cause shrinkage.
Missandei face is like: Damn, I got mine-pass the cigarettes! đđ
Davos said if she ever returned to the North he would execute her himself. Technically speaking, they aren’t in the North. Davos knows how much they need Daenerys and her dragons. My guess is he’ll have to swallow what she did to Shireen much like Tyrion had to swallow what Ellaria did to Myrcella.
When did Jon become an adorable little cinnamon roll? All he needs are heart emojis over his eyes đ
Davos said he would kill Melly if she ever came North. Jon banished her from the North. Since they are in the South I think it is out of their jurisdiction.
Undarkwin,
It’s funny how people correctly understanding the text and where it is going is considered fan service these days.They must have changed its meaning lol.
Omg đ I can’t breathe! The image of the mopey bastard as a flirtatious bed hopper is too much! Thank you!!!
I hope we get some good scenes with Jon and Dany.
Poor Sam looks like he’s about to apologize for applying the wrong ointment. Probably couldn’t find the oyl of olive jar and put oyl of sunflower instead.
I look forward to all the Davos scenes we’ll get. All of them. He’ll probably take over at the end and drop some knowledge and the mic when Jon’s arguments fail him! Davis is REALLY good of telling hard truths. Love him.
CANNOT WAIT. Jon Snow in the south! And doesn’t he look delighted đ
Jdtargstark,
Agreed. And not only that, but Jon kind of forgave her too or she would have been minus a head for killing a child right then and there in the North. It would surprise me if Dany punishes Mel. It doesn’t make sense. Dany seems to forgive loads of stuff these days… I kind of liked how she pointed that to Varys. Maybe though it was only for one day :X
When I watched the Jon-narrated family history bits on the Blu-ray, I noticed two things: he refers to the Starks as “my (slight pause) father’s family” and he tells the story of Torrhen Stark, the “King Who Knelt” to Aegon the Conqueror. I would not be surprised if Jon bends the knee to Daenerys (and Sansa becomes Queen of the North in rebellion) in return for her assistance in the Great War.
I’m fairly excited about Jon and Dany but I would’ve liked to see team Cersei and team Sansa too in those photos as they are both in the episode. Jon and Dany’s meeting has been hyped, foreshadowed and discussed the crap out of for months if not years while those other storylines are a bit of a mystery.
Jon has the best are-you-kidding-me-with-this-bullshit face in that picture of him and Davos.
Also, as the master of whispers, how does Varys know nothing about Jon Snow as either LC or as KitN? Isn’t that his job and his specialty?
Probably that Jon and co have arrived and to get herself on that throne – with haste!
Hodors Bastard,
This!
Varys knew nothing about Jon Snow. He knew nothing about Euron and his enormous fleet. He knew nothing about Cersei getting the southern lords to commit to her cause. His little birds have been lost to Qyburn. He has been slipping badly in his job – he has lost his touch. Looking forward to exactly how much as the season progresses; what will he do and how will he serve?
I wonder if LF and Varys are on parallel journeys – after wielding enormous behind-the-scenes power in early seasons in King’s Landing, their tactics are no longer producing results. It’s no coincidence that Jon choked LF and Daenerys put Varys in place in direct confrontation, both in the same episode.
Wonder when we meet Howland Reed.
I bet 10 bucks Hot Pies father is Hordor. đ
Tywin’s Ghost,
Varys’s complete omniscient powers in the books always felt too easy, especially considering we find out his network of spies are just kids. I always thought there was some sorcery involved.
Hes been in Meereen and on boats, away from Kings Landing, so it makes more sense that he isn’t all knowing anymore.
batfan,
It’s his *summer* armor đ
Alvaricomg,
Yes but where is Rickon?
My thoughts exactly. They look good. But I must say, Jon looks so kingly in these pics, especially the one at the beach. The KITN has arrived! đ
You’re right. They’ve been the furthest away from each other and now they meet. Wow. I still can’t believe this is happening this early in the season but I’m not complaining! đ
Oh, that’s a good point: about them – the last 2 Targaryens – meeting for the first time in Dragonstone!
The historic meeting between Ice & fire, plus The Sarah Jane Adventures reunion. This is a weekend to look forward to.
Though, I fear Grey Worm is gonna die. Like Halloween, sex is the kiss of death on this show.
Me too. I thought if ever these 2 would meet, it would be in this season’s finale (or season 8’s premiere). I imagined Dany riding to the north to join the war and that’s where they’d meet. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, I’m not complaining. LOL. Can’t wait!
Kay,
Interesting observation between Varys and LF’s similar journeys. Considering a third advisor/manipulator/whisper is now at Dragonstone, Melisandre, I wonder if she after her great humbling will be the fork in the road between Varys and LF’s parallels.
Sam looks like he has been called into the Headmasters office!
It just dawned on me how excited I am for Jon and Dany to meet (Jany?- Janerys?). This is huge!
I wonder if the pic shows Sam being called on the carpet for doing grey scale procedure. What super gross thing can he do this week?
So if I’m Dany I attack Kings Landing from the sky – with only the dragons. Just a simple bombing run. Then I send word to the people that to avoid being burned they must overthrow Cersai. I would think that would end it pretty quickly…
Jon and Dany, together at last! I couldn’t be more hyped for it. And if the King in the North and the Dragon Queen finally sharing the screen wasn’t enough, we also get to see Jon and Tyrion interact for the first time since the third episode of the entire series! That reunion being the undercard for the hour is a testament to how monumental this encounter will be.
I expect there will be some tension between Jon and Dany at first, but I have every confidence that the two will forge a strong bond eventually, given how many thematic, personal, and (secret) familial connections they share. Jon and Tyrion’s reunion, on the other hand, should be a purely warm one. Matters of state must take precedence, but I do hope that once the political logistics have been addressed, those two will have an opportunity to share a more informal scene where they can reflect on everything that’s happened since the last time they saw one another. Two “bastards” are now King in the North and Hand of the Queen, respectively. They’ve come a long way.
And while we don’t see any evidence of it in the photos, I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a Stark reunion as well, with either Bran or Arya (or both) joining Sansa in Winterfell! A potential Stark reunion being only the third biggest attraction of the hour for me? Insane! I can hardly believe it.
In short, this episode should be a bounty of riches.
Someone will mention Jon Snow was murdered and resurrected right? Someone? Anyone? Or has everyone had Men in Black style mind wipe outs.
Theon = Tyrion CONFIRMED!!
I’m looking for the visuals: the scenes we see in these pictures looked absolutely stunning even filmed by paparazzi from the distance of a few miles. I can’t wait to see them in full splendor.
Guys look at this lol https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFqrDtYVwAIjT39.jpg:large
Lennie,
You do realize the Team Sansa pics are of just her and Littlefinger in the same pics but different angles that we keep getting, right? lol
LOL! I imagine Jon plotting in his head how to steal those dragonglass stuff to bring them back to WF. đ He’s so obsessed with dragonglass right now. đ
Speaking of ornaments, how come Davos has no hand-of-the-king pin like Tyrion’s? Or maybe they don’t do pins in the north?
Sam,
The north doesn’t have a hand position.Robb never had one.
Missandei’s face is glowing in that shot, Dany’s got competition for Jon’s affection.
Kim,
Well I didn’t say I was wishing for THAT again, haha. I was hoping for something that might suggest a Stark reunion of sorts, or something Brienne-related. Dunno. Those pics just struck me as a little too focused, all Dragonstone + one still of Sam. Both storylines I love, just wishin’ for some more diversity. A girl can get greedy at times…
I have to say although the direwolves on his armor are cute Jon is not really looking his best in these photos. I don’t really like that costume, it’s kind of… blah. I suppose he’s tryig to look like he just came from battle in order to seem intimidating. Also his hair is flat. :p
Everyone else looks amaaazing. Special props to Tyrion’s striped coat (!) and Missandei’s cross leather straps thing.
Sam,
Well, if you want to develop any kind of relationship of any kind between them, you need to give that screen time.
I wonder if they’ll address the fact that Tyrion kind of indirectly killed Davos’ son…
HelloThere,
This is crazy. Theyre the two “mainest” characters on the show who have been exposed to the most character development and are finally meeting after 7 seasons to further the endgame. One of the most exciting moments for me.
Queen’s Justice def refers to somebody meeting a very unfortunate end at the hands of Cersei.
mau,
I think Jon and Dany meeting is probably the most anticipated meeting of two characters in fiction, possibly ever.
I mean honestly, 62 episodes of build-up, 21 years for book fans, it’s been a long time coming.
Nothing will ever top it. Yes, we’ll have other big meetings over the course of these last 11 episodes, but Jon and Dany is the ultimate one.
Ice and Fire, the last two Targaryens, the two facets of Azor Ahai, the two characters who have been furthest away from each other geographically (think back to when she was in Qarth and he was Beyond the Wall), and the two characters who have been the most built up as protagonists. They are also the two characters, with Bran, who most tie into the fantasy/prophetic elements of the story.
Two young leaders, with huge accomplishments, who began the story as a neglected bastard with no power, and a young girl being sold to a horde of Dothraki by her brother.
I can’t wait.
Kay,
Yes. He lost his little birds, but I think there was a set up in S6 for him to take control of them again.
Zoomed in on Sam’s open book, looks like a sketch of a WW or even the NK there.
Need Jon to give Davos the pin so that the lords can all roar “THE PIN IN THE NORTH! THE PIN IN THE NORTH!”
What ever they do, the writers better have written a very special scene for this meeting.
It’s been something some of us have been predicting since the very beginning and many more of us have been waiting for.
Don’t disappoint or you’ll face ‘the Violator’s justice’.
Which sounds a lot worse than ‘The Queen’s Justice’.
David,
In the crypt after being filled with arrows in S0609.
Markus Stark,
It almost feels like a crossover. Like a meeting between Harry Potter and Luke Skywalker. LOL
And I KNOW it will be good *wink wink*
mau,
Haha, it does kind of feel like two different shows colliding !
BTW unrelated to these images but I would be very surprised if Cersei’s “justice” doesn’t involve burning Ellaria & Tyene alive with wildfire in front of the assembled nobility while Euron Cackles wildly.
Luka Nieto,
Luka,
I have a spoiler question, I wanted to PM you can’t figure out how here.
spoiler tagging question.
So is your little leak still valid is my question?
So we know we’re getting KL, Winterfell, Dragonstone, Casterly Rock, and the Citadel.
The question becomes, will we get Bran, Arya, or the Hound / BwB ?
What about Theon ? Will he return to Dragonstone and meet Jon, for the first time since Jon left Winterfell ?
I hope the meeting isn’t a cliffhanger and we have to wait another week. The wait for this meeting isn’t doing my blood pressure any good at all.
Jenny,
Oh I didn’t remember that. Thanks!
Jon Snow is dressed to impress, and he is looking very fine, but if he really wants to make the best first impression possible, he needs to unleash the curls.
Carole H,
This isn’t the Walking Dead. Hah.
Because he had new stuff made to look more kingly? He doesn’t normally wear a gorget, either.
and smile a little đ
I don’t want to know any of the script spoilers, but I guess I’m not convinced Jon and Dany will be fast friends. Dany’s lecture to Varys about burning backstabbers alive had to foreshadow someone facing the queen’s justice. And I doubt Jon will agree with that method. Also, part of Tryion’s war plan already failed, and if things don’t go according to plan at Casterly Rock, Dany may take Olenna’s advice to Be A Dragon. And I’m not sure Jon is going to like that either. Plus, will Jon be willing to bend the knee to someone he doesn’t know?
Ryan,
For me, regardless of medium (book or show),
the idea of Jon and Dany has been so anticipated and speculated on, that it almost feels like fan fiction… Like its a scene made for tumblr gifs.
And thats just my own problem, its got nothing to do w/ the show or the books, lol
Sam,
Oh yes… if he unleashes that smile on her, she’s a goner. đ
It is a little annoying how monochromatic the costuming has become this year, but I have to say that I like the black leather on Jon way more than the brown.
I thought his look last year was pretty unimpressive. This year’s costume looks awesome in my opinion.
Violator,
Yes. This cant be rushed. This is maybe the most pivotal meeting in the entire series. Too much at stake.
I’ve always wondered if Sansa and Tyrion are still legally married, or did her marriage to Ramsey nullify it?
It is known.
I thought roughly the same, but I kind of like the plain clothes, at least. The point is likely that Starks are stark. Minimalists to the extreme. The North has no need for ornamentation and such frivolities that only the south affords. Winter is coming. Winter is here.
Danielle Stark,
I actually am wondering how attracted she’d really be to him, especially at first. I mean this is a woman who was into the likes of Drogo and Daario (think back to Daario in Season 3, and she was massively into him).
I don’t know if Jon the short pretty boy would really be her style.
She’s seemed to be into the alpha male brute type (even though Drogo and Daario do have a softer side as well), and in the books her taste in men is even more questionable.
I don’t know, I feel like Jon wouldn’t initially be super appealing to her. I think if an attraction develops, it’ll be after she gets to know him.
Really liking Jons armour, and great to see some Stark soldiers around ever since the Army slaughter at the RW
Never really got over how Mace Tyrell went to Braavos without any of his own Household guard but Lannister soldiers instead but anyway…
Hopefully this meetup is of substance etc, I would be fascinated to hear if Varys ever tells of Neds objections to the assassination plot
Boojam,
I believe he said if she ever stepped foot in the north again.
Danielle Stark,
Yup. Gone in 60 seconds. đ I’m not really sure if the series will go there. May be too cliche’ for GRRM’s taste (if the show is still basing major developments on the books)?
Kathey,
There is no real legal system, the law is what the monarch says or recognizes.
If someone considers her marriage to Ramsay valid, then obviously her marriage to Tyrion is over as well. But, if someone were to consider that Tyrion and Sansa’s marriage was valid despite the fact that they never consummated it, then yes, they would still be married in that person’s eyes.
It depends on this consummation issue. Pretty sure Westeros doesn’t have a codified legal system, and we know they don’t have a court system, so it’s up to the King or Queen to decide.
mau,
Now you’re scaring me. I hope it doesn’t mean sexy times in the offing with the auntie, because I never put these two together in my life as a ship. I refuse to ship Jon with anyone who’s not a redhead and even then as long as it is not Sansa Stark. I ain’t watching no soap opera, m-kay?!
Edit: I’m not looking for an answer, really (I mean if somehow you already know) I just got scared and I typed it automatically.
UNLEASH THE CURLS!
Now I’m picturing Jon’s pretty, bouncy hair as a many-legged sea monster reaching out to ensnare women’s hearts!
Markus Stark,
I totally agree with you. I am so excited for this and can’t wait to see what happens between the two of them
Notice that Jon appears to be disarmed in the photo of him entering the throne room. That is not a good sign.
Danielle Stark,
Well all in due time.He can’t unleash his best weapon yet lol.
OH
MY
GOD
WHY
DID
I
LOOK
HJFHOEIOAEFIOJKLAF
#sorrynotsorry about the CAPS
I cannot contain the hype
QueenofThrones,
rfresa,
Sam,
Maybe if he knew what she looks like he would try to impress. đ Them having so little knowledge of each other makes the meeting even better. Daenerys hadn’t even heard of him before and Jon has no idea what she’s like. He hasn’t even heard rumors and such like they have in KL. As I’ve mentioned before, he would probably have the image of the warrior woman that rides dragons bareback and conquers cities, not the tiny, shapely, beautiful woman he’s going to confront. He’s never met a Targaryen before other than an old man so I imagine he’d picture them differently than stories describe. She may need to convince him that she is a “dragon” despite her tiny stature. Jon seems to like the strong, confident ladies though doesn’t he (Ygritte).
Riot,
That is normal when anybody meets a monarch.
HelloThere,
Maybe don’t expect to be underwhelmed, then? Self-fulfilling prophecies and all that
Just a thought.
Ember,
How can you not, when you have that piece of ass in front of you
(JON SNOW if nobody caught that)
And yes I just called him that. Hes gorgeous I cannot deal.
Ashara D,
I caved.
LOL
*faints*
Jenny,
LOL. I like Jon’s thinking. But I wonder what is on Missandei’s mind in that picture: it looks like it’s from the scene where she meets Jon. Wouldn’t it be hilarious, if Missandei got a crush on the KITN?
On a serious note, has anyone noticed that Missandei is wearing the same three-dragon brooch Grey Worm was seen wearing at the siege of Casterly Rock? Will he be dead by the moment of Jon’s arrival already? Or are there two identical brooches?
Interesting! Could be! Though I feel that Mel’s purpose (from the Lord of Light’s POV) is done – she brought Jon and Daenerys together – albeit in an extremely roundabout way!
But her Hand (Tyrion, that is!) doesn’t want that! đ He doesn’t really want the people to elect governments or their own Kings and Queens! He wants a benevolent ruler, chosen by the other Great Houses. He mentioned the Lords in Episode 2.
But if he had gained control of them again, how come Varys has already proven to be quite clueless as to what is transpiring? How did he not have any inkling of Euron’s promise to Cersei, or the sighting of his enormous fleet in KL?
Jenny,
unbelievable.
Sam,
EXACTLY
this is why I am soooooooooooooo shocked
OH MAAAAAn
My guess is Grey Worm dies in the Casterly Rock battle. Which combined with the loss of Yara and the Sandsnakes is going to ‘wake the dragon’
Jenny,
LOOOOOOOOL
they are saving the curls for sexy scene …as we all live vicariously through her as she runs her fingers through them lol
Markus Stark,
Jon isn’t exactly a perfumed aristocrat such as Joffrey or Renly. This isn’t a guy who has lived a comfortable life at the Wall or beyond. I’d argue Dany is more attracted to attitude gained by experience than height and muscle mass. After all, she didn’t get to choose Khal Drogo herself; she lucked out to feel genuine love for a husband she had no say in marrying.
Inga,
Afternoon missus. Did you see the post about the Dany-inspired dragon jewellery. I reckon Dany bought up a job lot for her team đ
It would be the exact opposite of “hilarious”. It would be totally tacky, right after that beautiful, tender scene of Missandei and Greyworm, and many seasons of the build-up of their relationship.
Please guys, stop shipping Dany and Jon.. this isn’t Days of Our Lives
hahaha
Kay,
Not yet. But by the end of the show. I think Varys will be the one to kill Qyburn using his little birds again.
OK, that would be cool! And kind of a nice symmetry. Though if Qyburn’s machine injures a dragon, I would also like him to die by dragon fire……. đ
Mel: “Davos is coming? Quick, hide me!”
Varys: “Here, get into this box that just happens to have air holes! Tee hee.”
Markus Stark,
You shouldn’t forget that Dany really loves Jorah: there is no sexualt atraction, but her feelings towards him are much deeper and stronger than towards Daario or even Khal Drogo. And Jon is very much like Jorah, only younger. So, really as soon as Dany gets a chance to know him a litte bit better she should get attracted to him. On the other hand, Iconcur that their first meeting will be hell and that Dany will be more intimidating than ever. But Jon had a good training with Ygritte, so he’ll survive it somehow.
Tywin’s Ghost,
I think the real questions are/should be:
Does Varys know that Lyanna was pregnant/gave birth, and if so, does he know or at least suspect that Jon Snow is Lyanna’s son?
Inga,
Maybe she sees Grey Worm leaving at that moment?
And shortly after she sees the boat with Jon arriving?
Sam in 3 episodes in a row. Nice contrast from last season.
OT: Are you guys still doing Curtain Calls this season? Haven’t seen one for Henwick or Castle-Hughes.
Bryan Cogman, is that you?
This is what I want to know! I really want these two to share a scene and see if Varys notices something suspicious.
Kay,
Good point about Mel’s role, however if she’s completed her task, what’s the point of us as an audience seeing her conversation with Varys I wonder. Can’t wait till Sunday.
Inga,
It’ll be a simple case of the two of them presenting a political face that suits their cause. Dany will be imperious and Jon will be righteous and defiant, because that is what their respective political interests would seem to require them to be.
However, behind that are two individuals who have vulnerabilities. Dany is unsure of what type of ruler she needs to be and she’s trying to do the right thing, and Jon is facing similar questions. Both of them fear being manipulated by those close to them and have experienced loss and pain.
Once we’re past the first scene there will be private scenes between them in which they get to know one another and see in each other a person who isn’t so different to them.
That’s if they do it right.
They’ve been shipped for ages and ages and ages. I once thought they were the Song of Ice and Fire, until I realized that R+L=J, and so R and L were Fire and Ice and Jon is their song. Even Kit said a couple of years back that he thought, when they do get together, they’ll “either fight or fuck.”
I personally think fight is more likely than fuck, but I’m rooting for neither. Dany will want to focus on winning her Seven Kingdoms whereas Jon will want to focus on the real war, the only war that matters. I am hoping that Dany will at least let him have the dragonglass since that’s so important to Jon but wouldn’t help Dany’s cause at all.
Oh, yeah. A Snake Call!
I predict Hot Pie will end up on the throne in the end…
…because that’s where everyone ends up when they eat one of his culinary creations.
Ginevra,
They’ll fall in love.
I very rarely call it, but I’ll make an exception here.
jpwf,
My guess is no. Taking into consideration Varys’ quest for a Targaryen saviour, if he had an inkling of Lyanna being pregnant, he would have been on that like white on rice. I think after all is said and done, Ned pulled off the long con on them all which is kind of amusing considering how naive they thought he was.
Tywin’s Ghost,
We aren’t completely done with Mel.
She must see Arya again.
Yeah this is what I am thinking
Some have said she wouldn’t give up her resources so easily… but if you don’t believe the WW threat is that important right now, you should not care about your Dragonglass that much either.
I do think they will not see eye to eye just yet.
Well first of all, as you said, her love for Jorah is not sexual. She isn’t attracted to Jorah. I was talking about whether she’d be attracted to Jon.
Second, I’m not sure Jorah and Jon really are that similar. Maybe a bit more in the show, but in the books they couldn’t be more different. Even in the show, Jorah sold people into slavery. He’s in love with a woman he met when she was like 16 and he was 50. These aren’t things I would expect from an older Jon.
Jorah is motivated by love, and dedication to Dany. Not honor, not saving humanity, not duty. It’s a personal commitment.
Jon is the exact opposite. None of his commitments have been personal. He was committed to the Night’s Watch, so much so that he betrayed the woman he loved.
Jorah on the other hand betrays his kingdom for the woman he loves. He decides to stop informing on her to serve her loyally instead, because he loves her.
But Jon goes back to the NW and tells them everything he learned thanks to his relationship with Ygritte and the Wildlings.
Later, he’s committed to the North, to humanity, to survival. Not to Sansa, not to the Lords of the North, not to anyone.
Jorah puts love and his personal desires above everything else, and Jon does not. Jon is concerned with everything but his own personal desires.
In any case, we seem to be in agreement that if she develops an attraction to him, it won’t be immediate.
Tywin’s Ghost,
Ned pulled the longest con of them all and fooled every schemer in the seven kingdoms lol.
Yeah they were part of the show for 3 seasons and featured in one of S7’s big battles so far. Think they deserve one.
Jack Bauer 24,
I have no doubt there will be a curtain call for both actresses.
Kay,
It was a joke: I do believe that Missandei will remain faightful to Grey Worm till the end of her days. However, I really wonder what the showrunners were setting up for them. Grey Worm’s demise would be the simpliest answer, but what if he gets captured somehow? I bet that now, when Ellaria and Tyenne are in Euron’s hands, Cersei will learn about Tyrion’s plans to take Casterly Rock quite easy and that there might be time to lay some trap… One way or another things are not looking good for Grey Worm and Missandey and there were plenty of hints in the earlier seasons implying that Missandei may betray or go against Dany.
But as for Jon, it’s reasonable to expect Missandei to like him and start shipping him with Dany. After all every woman sees a man as a potential husband for herself or for her best friend. We’ll see how it plays.
Nope, it’s just me. đ
tyjon,
Or may be she is just happy because she just had sex ya know?
Dany & Jon: dammnit …why did they have to be so fucking hot.
Tyrion: Yes! …my plan is working!
Someone above noticed the pin that Miss is wearing when Jon arrives being same one GW has at Casterly Rock. My guess is that means Jon arrives before the Unsullied leave for CR – Missandei will give it to him before he leaves / is seen attacking CR.
All this is to say… that Jon’s arrival to DS has to happen pretty early in the episode (maybe the first scene?!)!!!
I still 100% believe as many do that Jon is Ice and Daenerys is Fire despite knowing R+L=J, and I believe the show is going to tell us that pretty clearly eventually. We already have Melisandre talking about the PtwP and saying both J & D are part of the prophesy. Jon may be part “fire” but he’s lived as “ice.” Daenerys is too large in the story to just be a piece in Jon’s story and vice versa.
TormundsWoman,
HE is the person who should be the leader of all of Westeros. Love him!
Updated with HD versions of some of the photos, as well as a few new ones.
Markus Stark,
Great points about differences between Jon and Jorah. Indeed, Jon is and always will be devoted to the world more than to any woman in that world (which is bad news for Dany); however, as far as his mission and love is not in conflict, he would be capable of deep love and loyalty and even sacrifice: I keep rememberring how he saved Ygritte in the Climb.
As for Jorah, recently he was talking about the world more and more and it’s really hard to predict whether he would choose Dany over the world in case of a conflict between the two, especially now when Sam brough up his father and in a way his legacy. IMO we can expert Sam telling Jorah about the WW during their next conversation and maybe asking him to ask Dany to help the North.
Oh no, the photo of GW is making me apprehensive.
Love the detail in the shot of Jacob Anderson.
P.S. I have a bad feeling about this.
ramses,
about what?!?!
Oooh… the picture of Greyworm! I so desperately, desperately hope that he will live (though chances are very, very slim, but I am in denial till Sunday). I want those two crazy kinds, GW and Missandei, to have some happiness when all is said and done – the little people, who lived happily.
Grey Worm looks badass.
Also, how great are the unsullied’s helmets? or helmet like implements. Protective yet nonubstructive.
Dee Stark,
His eyes. They look more sad than stalwart.
Kay,
have WE learnt nothing
after their scene last week. at least one is doomed
đ đ đ
ramses,
Oh man
All I can think of is that whoever made those waterproof boots for Jon and Davos is awesome. I want some.
Dee Stark,
Yes, after that scene, I am desperately afraid. But against all odds and expectations, I want both of these kids to live. What can I say, I am in denial till it actually happens. I know how everyone and their mother expected GW to be dead in Meereen when Barristan died in Season 5. But he made it.
I wonder if in the first picture, Daenerys is on the shore, watching her Unsullied sail away. And Missandei could be looking at GW’s departure, not Jon’s arrival.
OT- “protective yet nonobstructive” is the parenting style I aspire to emulate đ
I have a sinking feeling that this is the end for Torgo Nudho.
Will Missandei ever find someone else who does that thing he does with his toong (Ygritte accent) ? Perhaps the KitN’s arrival is more auspicious than we thought.
Lulus Mum,
Hi, to say the truth I skipped that article (I’m very busy with appartment renovation and my hands are aching from all that cutting and scratcing and painting). Now I have red it and yes that jewelry looks wonderful. Unfortunately, there is nothing about that brooch, although they are clearly teasing us with that: Missandei wears it in Jon’s arrival scene (yes, the Dothraki in the background imply that this is it); and in another photo we see the brooch on Grey Worm’s chest (it’s definitely before the siege of Casterly Rock, because we saw him wearing the same brooche during the siege on the trailers). And
Anyway, everything hints towards Grey Worm getting into trouble.
Inga,
I think that would be great development for Jorah’s character. As heart warming as his devotion to Dany is, for him to find a greater purpose in life, something that would make his father proud, something that would redeem the dishonorable life he used to lead, that would be a satisfying conclusion to his arc for me.
A Targaryen Ouroboros sigil? Nice!
Inga,
QueenofThrones,
Grey Worm wore that pin (or brooch) in Ep 1, when Dany arrived to Dragonstone. On the other hand, Missandei wore something similar in the Winds of Winter when they sailed to Westeros. Unfortunately, I can’t get a HD still for comparrison, but it’s quite possible that there are two identical pins/brooches and the showrunners are simply teasing us just as they did last season with all those promo images of flayed men on X crosses.
LF looks far too content for my liking đ
Do you think Jon & Dany will get together naturally or at the instigation of 3rd parties and if so who?
Alba Stark,
Indeed. But he looked pretty content in the promo pics for the previous two episodes too and yet in the end he spent the episodes just being ignored and humiliated by everyone.
Markus Stark,
Nice observations regarding Jorah vs. Jon đ
Markus Stark,
The question becomes, will we get Bran, Arya, or the Hound / BwB ?
My stockpile of Bran and BwB is running dangerously low. Still, I am not optimistic of seeing either in this episode. I think WF time will be dominated by Sansa and LF. Hopefully, Sansa will at least get word of Bran’s return? Or maybe Bran, Meera and Edd are playing this close to the vest for safety reasons and will just show up IDK? Two “reunions”, an execution, The Citadel and CR seems like a lot for one ep.
Alba Stark,
hes a slime talker that smiles while he talks no matter what
die plz
How long is this episode
Dee Stark,
Not long enough lol
Dee Stark,
Longest yet, 63 minutes
63 minutes. Episode 4 is the short one (50).
New pictures are awesome! I think that either Dany gave the same three-headed dragon ouroboros to Grey Worm and Missandei, or she gave it to M, who then gave it to GW.
I’m excited about this meet-up! But even more so for the Jon-Tyrion reunion. These two really do have a mutual respect for each other. It would be interesting to see what they have to say to each other.
As for Sansa, I think she’ll play into LF’s game and make it seem like she’s going to betray her brother. By the end of the season he will probably die. But I’m curious to see how she kills him.
Also, I wonder where Jon got the Stark soldiers from? Did he just appoint new Stark soldiers from the survivors of the BoTB? I thought they all died at the RW.
Maybe it’s the smile in conjunction with the look of concern on Sansa’s face that has me worried. But, then, LF leads to nothing good.
Also hopeful he bites the dust as soon as possible.
Tycho Nestoris,
An execution ?
Dead Dane Walking,
Thanks !
Markus Stark,
Cersei’s gifts. I am assuming they will be executed…eventually.
How mad will people be if the episode ends right after Jon enters Danerys’s throne room?
I think the only place/army on the show that loses men and it’s accurately reflected is Castle Black. Everywhere else seems to have access to a temp job agency and can employ as many men as they need, i.e. Euron adequately manning 1,000 ships… On that note, they must have an Amazon account as well. đ
That would be just mean!! đ
He and Davos left Winterfell with several soldiers.
Tycho Nestoris,
Ah, indeed. Good use of the word “eventually”.
As much as I hate the Sand militia, I’m not looking forward to whatever she has in store for Ellaria and Tyene, and I’m REALLY not looking forward to Yara’s fate.
Clob,
I can’t say I’ll be a fan of this happening, but I’m bracing myself for the possibility.
Markus Stark,
Agreed. I am no fan of Ellaria or Tyene but I don’t want to see a mother and daughter tortured. It’s not bringing Doran or Hotah or Myrcella back. The fan rage at Cersei will be strong Sunday night I think.
Markus Stark,
And we’re going to have to endure Cersei’s smug face throughout the whole spectacle.
If Cersei gets too creative with her executions, similar to the Mad King, I wonder how Jaime will react.
His loyalty to Cersei surely has to start deteriorating at some point. Perhaps watching whatever horror Cersei inflicts on Ellaria and Tyene will be a turning point.
Myrcella died in Jaime’s arms, so he’ll want justice. Revenge, even. But I doubt his and Cersei’s ideas of justice align too well.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Cersei’s smug face is a thing of Glory
I mean yeah it’s not that difficult to predict Jaime’s reaction, because it will be the audience reaction. Much like his face in every scene with Cersei this season lol.
Beheading / hanging / sword thru the heart = “fuck yes B**** deserved it for Myrcella”
Burn them alive with wildfyre in court = “oh god no why did I wish for this I have made a terrible mistake”
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Yeah, I really hope this is what the synopsis refers to when it says “Jaime learns from his mistakes”.
It’s about time he realizes that Cersei is little more than the female version of the King he slayed.
Tycho Nestoris,
Definitely.
Violator,
I second that emotion! Can’t believe that they left Ghost out after filming the scene for the second episode. It makes no sense.
Markus Stark,
most speculation, but spoiler tagging anyway
I think Jaime is needed in the KL storyline for a bit longer. Otherwise only Cersei and Qyburn will be there.
The show usually plays the long game with storytelling in KL, but as the last 2 seasons have shown, it usually builds up to spectacular drama in the finale.
This season everyone looks more beautiful than ever!!
Now Dee, we all know you are the ‘Number One’ poster on WotW for avoiding spoilers like the proverbial plague, but did you seriously have no idea up to now that Jon and Dany would finally meet up in this season?
This website has been full of this since last year and especially during the filming in Spain when the paps (with their telephoto lenses) were lurking across the other side of the bay where the Dragonstone beach scenes were shot.
If so and this really is THE FIRST TIME you found this out – I admire your will power, but be honest now and no jerking us all off, hehe đ đ
Littlefinger is so glad that Jon has gone for a while, so he can try to manipulate Sansa. But I wanna see his face when Bran and/or Arya show up. There goes his plan with Sansa.
Barbera,
Damn right he is! *highfive* Enough common sense to replace an entire small council and a Hand, not a schemer, a straight shooter, a truth sayer, unafraid and unimpressed by high lords, loyal, dedicated, lots of tact when required, open minded… I could add up to that list, but honestly now I’ve typed all that I realize he’s too good for Westeros and they’ll probably kill him in short order.
TormundsWoman,
His wife is probably missing him though. Maybe a new title of Queen will make up for the lost time.
I facepalmed as hard as anyone during the Sand Snakes’ scenes — except for when Obara speared that guy who was up to his neck in the sand (get it, sand? Ugh) and when they speared Trystane, before he could achieve his ultimate destiny as Tommen’s BFF, through the head — but (pardon my shallow sexism) the actresses who played them were super cute. Their hot hirsute eyebrows will be missed by at least one Watcher.
But I do hold out hope for Tyene being rescued by Bronn, because she’s the cutest of all of them and he kinda sorta owes her one.
Markus Stark,
I think Jaime won’t be in KL when Euron arrives: he is nowhere to be seen in the throneroom and moreover he is seen in some other castle – presumably Highgarden. So, it really looks like Jaime will march on the Reach. Randyl Tarly said that he was not a backstabber; therefore, Jaime has to take the Queen of Thornes out of the picture to free Randyl out of his conflictiong vows, so he could join his camp.
One thing about Mel , she and her religion have been on a big hoopla dance about the WhiteOthersWalkers for a long time now. Does Varys , who is from Essos know that story? Only Jon and Davos seem bent about it, KL still seems in denial, and Dany, last episode didn’t seem to have any reaction. In fact last season Jon and Mel had a muddled conversation about the whole thing. I am curious to see if any of this is resolved this episode.
This is interesting! I agree that Varys would have been “on it” if he knew the fact, but he didn’t know it then and doesn’t now. But I can imagine him figuring it out, or at least part of it. Varys knew of King Robert’s hatred of all Targaryens and losing Lyanna was a good part of the reason (the only reason?). When Ned argued against King Robert’s order to kill Dany, wasn’t Varys present for that? Wasn’t that the reason Ned first quit being hand of the king? If Varys witnessed all of that exchange, could he have wondered why Ned was so passionate about not killing the young Targaryen. Plus, Ned asked Varys about stopping the order to kill Dany later in season 1. Maybe Varys just passed it off as Ned being too much of a humanitarian. But if something else comes up, like seeing something between Dany and Jon when they meet or something Mel might say to him, he might go back to those moments and start to wonder what was motivating Ned. Varys likes mulling over information and with a few more bits and pieces, he might at least realize there is something more to know about Jon even if he doesn’t figure it all out. But, I agree he does not know it yet.
Steve Love still amuses me greatly, especially as Jorah. Poor Theon. Lol.
Just getting up to speed here – or maybe not to all of it yet. Very behind in terms of reading, let alone commenting, as I’m teaching an online course on a very bloody 13th century Icelandic politician and writer, and getting ready to drive for hours to give a talk on ‘Wights’ – no, not quite the spin that GRRM let alone D&D give to that word!
However – I much enjoyed Ep2 and am looking forward to Ep3. Eps 1 & 2 presented/reminded us of many things that are necessary to the end-game. I’m a bit disappointed in some parts but overall very pleased.
Sorry couldn’t post any of this earlier!
(Also, I’ve been experiencing some problems with this website, which seems to eat memory much more than anything else. However using Firefox rather than Safari seems to help a bit…)
Kay,
According to the wiki, one of the little birds, Frances, is Yet to Appear this season.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Season_7
Flayed Potatoes,
I really hope that at some point, he will tell Daenerys that Ned Stark tossed his Hand of the King pin at Robert when he was ordered to accept the plan to murder Daenerys. That would be a useful bit of info…
Pepi,
I really hope that she will finally tell him (and us) what the damn voice coming out of the flames said. And who spoke.
That is an interesting find, thanks! I wonder if this little bird will appear in a scene with Qyburn, as she did last season, or will she report something back to Varys? I am quite curious about what Varys does this season, besides chatting at Dragonstone with Tyrion, as they used to do in Meereen. Also, will Mel remain at DS for the entire season?
I am another one hoping Bronx saves Tyene
In my wildest dreams, he even ends up turning them against Qyburn behind his back. That would be glorious.
I’m sure that’s all it was – being a humanitarian. I really doubt that Ned had any interest in the welfare of any Targaryens apart from Jon.
I don’t. It would be far too predictable.
Yes to this!
When you’ve had the dedicated fandom with extra time to speculate collectively, chances are someone is going to make the right predictions. That is not fan service or a predictable outcome. Judging from the numerous fan reaction videos around the world, lots of viewers are surprised every episode.
I just feel that there are people who simply need to say “I tould you so, this was so evident”, just because they ran out of printed material to be the learned person in the room.
Kay,
Yes, the little birds are very interesting–I’m wondering the same things!
More here:
http://watchersonthewall.com/cameras-roll-new-set-northern-ireland-season-6-cast-member-returns/
I believe that Jon is the hero and that Dany may well be an anti-villain, so I don’t see them together. There may be a brief romance, but Dany will deny him her dragons and instead use them to burn the Seven Kingdoms.
Lennie,
I don’t know if there is any truth to what I am about to say, but it seems to me that many times the showrunners or HBO’s marketing department allow certain topics to be overly talked about (i.e., Jon and Sansa’s rift, or Daeny and Jon’s meeting), to draw attention away from other developments or at least try to preserve some elements of surprise.
Regarding Jon’s and Daeny’s meeting my hope is that they conduct some sort of negotiation. I hope Jon does not bend the knee, at least not now (Mace!)… I think Daeny has to prove herself as a leader in Westeros and news from the South are not going to be very good next episode. It would be terrible if Jon kneeled to a queen that has just suffered a major blow in her aspirations.
I would be really happy if this is a “sizing-the-other-up” kind of meeting instead of a flirtatious exchange. If both are affected by the other’s looks I can only hope their relationship would go along the lines of Jon and Val from the books: mutual (but restrained in Jon’s case) admiration, understanding, but they speak their mind to each other, and both keep the eye on the ball regarding their goals.
Dealing with Jon can be a reality check for Daeny… To the entitled “bend the knee because I was born to rule the 7 kingdoms” (or a similar thing) , a sweet response would be “I am a bastard from the North, born to rule nothing but chosen twice to be a leader”.
As I said in another thread… my real interest is to see Jon and Tyrion together again. Can they continue their good relationship or is it too late and complicated for this to happen?
And of course all the other pairings that many of you have been citing (Mel and Jon, Mel and Davos, Mel and Varys, Tyrion and Davos -two extremely smart and sensible advisers-, Varys and Jon… Regarding this last pairing (if it happens), I’m curious to see if someone who knew Rhaegar can see any physical resemblance between the two? I know Jon has the Stark “coloring” -he’s the closest to it from the Stark kids- but what if his features or manierisms resemble Rhaegar? Could Varys put two and two together ? (Lyanna’s “abduction”, the presence of King’s Guard at the Tower of Joy, and maby some conversation he might have had with Ned before the latter’s death?)
IDK. Can’t wait for Sunday’s episode.
Grandmaester Flash,
I agree. I don’t think he’ll rescue her. Why would he risk his life for her?
But I think it’d be interesting if he was present to prick Jaime’s conscience.
He’s probably going to turn up sooner or later this season, so next episode would be as good a time as any, just to say to Jaime “You’re okay with this, are you?” as Cersei butchers her in some horrible fashion.
Grandmaester Flash,
I disagree that it was “simply” humanitarian. I think Jon’s true identity as a Targaryen shaped Ned’s views on lines never to cross in regards to children. His love for Lyanna and Jon is why he offered Cersei and her children mercy. I think he held Jamie in contempt for letting the Mountain kill Rheagar and elia’s children on his watch, not because he killed the mad king. It reinforced his decision that no one, not even Cat, could know Jon’s true identity.
Same way Jon does not have a throne as the other queens: it’s been a long time since poeple in the North had a king at WF.
Considering his look after the Battle of the Bastards, he’s looking awsome! đ
Jon’s primary mission is to defeat the NK and the Others. If bending the knee would accomplish this task, I do think he would gladly give up his crown and do so. But I’m completely convinced that giving up his crown and bending the knee would only thwart that task because then Dany would ask Jon to join her war, not his. And so that would leave Jon in the predicament where he would have to be a traitor or fail to protect the Seven Kingdoms, a situation he would bitterly regret. So I believe Jon is wise enough not to bend the knee unless he sees evidence that Dany’s first priority is the war at the Wall. And he won’t see that because she is going to tell him:
Ryan,
I think Cersei will “return the favor” to Ellaria: she will torture and kill Tyene in front of her and then slowly torturing Ellaria…
Sorry, I don’t think the Targaryen factor has anything to do with it at all. Ned was a decent man, with children of his own, and he did not want to see innocent children killed, whoever their parents were. Simple as that.
rfresa,
How about flashed his abs? I know it’s a bit chilly,and the stab wounds would be a bit distracting, but that would reinforce the notion that he came back from the dead…
There’s another via FarFarAway – Dany on her throne.
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery7/gallery3/hires/3.jpg
Ginevra,
Basically, he’ll be a hard negotiator.
I’m still chewing on this, to be honest. This is happening now? I can’t deal! hahahaha! đ
But I’m glad I’m only discovering this now. Imagine thinking about this for months from spoilers! We may have to thread carefully now as land mines (spoilers) may be around. I’m already wary of some comments I’ve read… like are they spoilers or speculations?
GhostCR,
Haha! That will be a really good excuse to show off his abs. đ
Clob,
I know! I’m getting hyped by the minute. UGH. đ
Grandmaester Flash,
The Targaryen factor is only relevant into how it relates to Jon. Decent man or not, we’ve seen Ned much more pragmatic in the past such as killing Arthur Dayne after he was stabbed in the back. His weakness which resulted in his down fall was showing Cersei and her children mercy. He knew Robert would kill them all and his feelings for Jon who happens to be a Targaryen shaped that empathy.
Good points Tywin’s Ghost! I had not thought about all of those connections but they are there. Thanks!
…lol no
Ginevra,
The thing is Ginevra, that Sansa is not wrong – Cersei is a threat that should be dealt wit h. A legitimate strategy to winning the “real” war is to first unite Westeros under a leader who gives a damn. Everyone involved knows taht Cersei will commit exactly zero forces to the defense of the Realm against the Night King, Jon is a fool if he is too single minded about which battles “matter”. Wouldn’t it be better to have those Lannister Forces on the side of the good guys, rather than flanking and harrying the army from the South?
Besides, are you somehow forgetting about Dany’s massive Savior complex? Based on what we saw from her with The Lamb Men, Astapor, Yunkai, Meereen, and Vaes Dothrak, she can’t help but try to save people in trouble (even sometimes when “saving” might have ultimately done more harm than good. It’s like the central conflict of her arc. The moment she hears that thousands are in trouble and ONLY SHE can save them she is going to be chomping at the bit to roast some WW. If anything Tyrion is going to have to convince her that consolidating the realm is a more pressing matter for the longrun success of the campaign against Night’s King.
And Tyrion needs to finish his damn honeycomb joke đ
Pigeon,
wow those are freakishly good
Well, if he wanted to, he comes by the skill naturally – Rhaegar had to be a sweet-talkin’ guy to convince engaged Lyanna to take a stroll with him. Lyanna wasn’t exactly the family wall-flower either, so between the two of them I’d say a fair amount of charm was probably passed Jon’s way, if he cares to use it.
Varys is whispering “this bald cap they have on me is itching me to death.” Seriously, when you see how much hair Conleth has, you wonder how they get it all under that cap. He looks like a very charming person in real life.
They are really the most anticipated meeting of two characters in fiction, no doubt. Fans want this since before the show started, so, IT’S HUGE. Jon and Dany are two fan favorites, and lots of fans ship them since forever, so..it will be a pretty amazing event! And im sure it will a gerat dialogue..with a litte tension at first..it will be great to see their relationship evolve later.
Arya is gonna kill LF’s party lol
You are right that Cersei is indeed following in the Mad King’s footsteps in terms of style however the great thing about it, in my opinion, is that the parallels are purely cosmetic.
Aerys did want to use wildifre in King’s Landing but his desire was to blow up the entire city and its population so he could turn into a dragon… Cersei targeted a very specific spot in King’s Landing to eliminate a group of people who wanted to kill her.
Aerys killed Rickard and Brandon in the most gruesome of fashions but the Starks were innocent. They had come to the Red Keep to seek redress over the crime Aerys’s son had allegedly committed against their family. Were the Direwolves daft ? A thousand times yes. Nevertheless, they were in the right and were thus unfairly punished.
Conversely, Cersei is very probably going to massacre the Sands but they are not innocent. They murdered a girl as revenge for a crime her mother did not commit. After all, Cersei cannot be held responsible for Oberyn’s death. He chose to fight the Mountain, knew perfectly well it was a combat to the death and was aware of Gregor’s strength. He lost. Sad day for him but it was no one else’s fault, especially not Myrcella’s. No matter how counterintuitive the idea may seem, Cersei is in the right to punish the Sands. The punishment she will choose will very probably be squarely in the wrong, though ^^
That is what makes the dynamics between her and Jaime so potentially intriguing, I believe. Jaime is bound to recognise his sister’s actions as similar to the Mad King’s while, at the same time, being unable to deny their underlying logic.
I am terribly sorry to jump into the conversation like that but it is something I find genuinely puzzling.
Ned condemned three kids to being relentlessly chased by a brutal and thugish monarch as a result of a treason their parents had committed and that decision is hailed as honourable and merciful.
Robb refused to kill two boys but happily kept them hostages, forcing them to live as prisoners among people who wanted to murder them (and ultimately did), as a result of the crimes their relatives had committed and that decision is hailed as honourable and merciful.
Sansa wanted to deprive two children of their titles and lands as a result of a treason their relatives had committed and that proposition is condemned as cruel and vengeful.
I do not think I get the internal logic of this and, whatever little I do get, I am not certain I agree with ^^
It seems to me that Ned and Robb’s approaches were infinitely harsher than Sansa’s. Why do we call them merciful ? Simply because Ned and Robb themselves qualified them as such ?
QueenofThrones,
Very much like you, I believe Daenerys will have a Stannis-inspired paradigm shift.
Stannis spent years claiming the title of protector of the Realm unti he realised that, perhaps, the best way to achieve that was by actually protecting the Realm (^^) so he went to the North to do just that. Daenerys will very probably follow the same pattern and eventually dedicate her resources to the Great War. But first, she has to believe the White Walkers exist and are dangerous… That could take a little while and a lot of convincing.
As for Cersei being a real threat, I couldn’t agree more. She is nowhere near as potent or devastating as the Night’s King but she is crafty, vicious and relentless. The last person who believed the Lioness was done for and no longer a source of worry was the High Sparrow and… Let’s just say he might have been overly optimistic.
It’s a JUGE event because
– Jon and Dany are two fan favorites
– People ship Jon and Dany since forever, even before the show started
So, of course everyone will be freaking out about this on sunday! There’s no other meet on the show bigger than this one, and i think it will be amazing and epic in every sense. There’s no way they will fight, like Kit said once: “Fight or Fuck”..it will be fuck. I can’t wait to see the progress of their relationship..at first,being a little tension, and after, episode by episode, evolving in a very natural way! GO JONERYS!!
They were in so extreme poles of the show.. *wink *ice and fire *wink, that really feels like a crossover. HA!
omg I will probably have to leave the room – I’m no huge fan of Ellaria or Tyene, but what’s going to happen when Cersei gets them is going to be worse than Septa Unella. And Lena did say in a couple of interviews something about being a complete cow to a character, which I’m taking to mean she really f***s somebody up, or has the Mountain do it. Ellaria had an idea what would be coming, too, that’s why she told Euron’s guys to just go ahead and kill them and get it over with.
People are saying that maybe Bronn will somehow save Bad Poosy; I hadn’t thought of that, maybe he will. I mean, why else give her such a line in the first place if not to have people remember the relationship between her and Bronn? It would have to be something totally obnoxious yet totally memorable and quotable – and, ye gods, did it get quoted over and over and over during the off season. Bad Pussy will live in infamy. Now that I’m thinking more about it, it probably will happen that way. Tyene was as much a murderous bitch as her sisters, but I wouldn’t mind seeing her saved. It was Ellaria that killed Myrcella. She just annoyed the shit out of me anyway, kill that one.
I love all Dany outfits this season, tho i really think the most beautiful Dany outfits were in S3 and S4..Dany & blue is a PERFECT combination.
They will get together naturally. They will have scenes in pretty much every episode now..so, this will help and they will have time to work in their relationship and how much they can really trust in each other..Jon needs Dany, Dany will see that she needs Jon too, and i think they will be interested in each other at very early on. No doubt, all their scenes will be VERY IMPORTANT. I’m glad this episode is longer..i heard they will have two scenes together in this episode..Of coruse the first one, when Dany is on the throne, and the other outside of Dragonstone. It will be BEAUTIFUL and i still can’t believe it’s finally happening.
I choose fuck
Oh, you’re in for some surprise coming..I assume you didn’t read the leaks of episode 6..HA! So much will happen! And btw..episode 6 will be one of the most iconic of the entire series..and probably bigger than BoTB
Thi Targaryen,
I agree, and those years were awesome for the costumes in general.
Yes, and Many believe that Jon and Dany fought for White Walker together, which made âthe prince that was promisedâ and the song of Ice and Fire..
Jon, despite being a Targaryen/Stark, has been completely identified with the North/ice/snow so far. His name, his location, the color of his wolf, his traditional Stark looks, etc all align him with ice. Dany is obviously aligned with fire for many reasons (dragons, trekking through a barren desert, being a Targaryen who exhibits all of the traits typical to her lineage).
So, if we take all the parallels, Melisandre words ( âI believe you have a role to play,â Melisandre says. âAs does another), and everything going on with Jon and Dany so far, i think the show is going there with both of them being the promised ones.
If we think, Season 6 was about Jon being AA, season 7 is about Dany being AA, so it makes sense season 8 is about both of them being AA. Both Jon and Dany fuffil the prophecy in their own way for a reason!
AA is a hero who fights darkness not just the NK but all of the WW. Jon wonât be able to kill the NK without Dany, and Dany wonât be able to defeat the WW without Jon so they are both AA.
Thi Targaryen,
What the… I hope these are not spoilers! If they are, please cover them, please!!!!!!
This!!! Like you, this episode will be intense! We will have the biggest event with Jon and Dany finally seeing each other for the first time, and also Jon and Tyrion reunited. It will be nice to see their conversations, now that they are both in so different places. Tyrion as Hand of the Queen and Jon as The KITN.
Knees bending all around
http://i.imgur.com/l883Cw7.jpg
No, i didn’t put any spoilers.
lol, she will hide to see Jon and Dany together..but yeah, maybe Dany will say something about her and Davos will be pissed again haha
Well, it is common sense that the targaryens were the most beautiful people on earth, but Itâs one thing to hear it and a totally different one to live it..haha
Thi Targaryen,
Okay. Sigh of relief. Maybe I’m just getting wary. Some here state their speculations like they’re facts. So when you posted the tidbit about Bran and Arya, it sounded like it’s what’s gonna happen in the next 2 episodes. A number of us here have avoided spoilers and don’t want to know what’s going to happen so I hope everyone will heed the call to cover the spoilers.
I think davos probably would like to say about this..but i don’t know if Jon will like it.
lol, oh okay. No spoilers..that was all me about Bran getting to winterfell in this episode..since we didn’t saw him in episode 2
Thi Targaryen,
Thanks! Appreciate it. đ
Young Dragon,
That won’t happen lol.
I was thinking the same, Sam…
Seriously Thi Targaryen…What the **** is wrong with you!!!!???
You just made it very clear to another user, that you have read the season 7 leaks:
– and yet you still write all these things about future episodes:
“Arya is gonna kill LFâs party lol”
“Thereâs no way they will fight, like Kit said once: âFight or Fuckâ..it will be fuck. I canât wait to see the progress of their relationship..at first,being a little tension, and after, episode by episode, evolving in a very natural way! GO JONERYS!”
“They will get together naturally. They will have scenes in pretty much every episode now..so, this will help and they will have time to work in their relationship and how much they can really trust in each other..Jon needs Dany, Dany will see that she needs Jon too, and i think they will be interested in each other at very early on. No doubt, all their scenes will be VERY IMPORTANT. Iâm glad this episode is longer..i heard they will have two scenes together in this episode..Of coruse the first one, when Dany is on the throne, and the other outside of Dragonstone. It will be BEAUTIFUL and i still canât believe itâs finally happening.”
I seriously feel like an innocent unsullied who unfortunately just got badly molested… Cover up or don’t write at all..!
The rules could not be more clear about not spoiling things for people. Seriously? You can’t not know this by now. People try hard to avoid finding things out, and we try equally hard to not spoil it for them. Knock it off.
Chilli,
I’d wager, as a guess, Jon and Tyrion are cracking some jokes, FINALLY someone who can be funny with Tyrion.
Young Dragon,
This isn’t The Walking Dead đ
Pigeon,
Yes exactly same thoughts I posted before – These comments from Thi Targaryen are no doubt spoilery! I sure hope some sullied editors will take a look at those comments asap, so that a minimum amount of unsullied will see them… Damn this makes my blood boil!!
I don’t know about that. Viserys wasn’t beautiful. And Olena once said she almost married a ferret faced Targaryen.
Something in the lines of: “He seems a nice guy, he won’t claim the Iron Throne and we kinda need him. Also, Tyrion vouches for him. So put a smile on your face and play nice.”
After Sam’s brave midnight rescue of Jora, his time in the Citadel might be short, so he and Gilly better read faster. He still has to find something important in the scripts. If all the fuss was just to confirm there’s dragonglass on Dragonstone, this could’ve been done by Davos easily. Must be something bigger there.
I just saw Aidan’s season 6 recap, LOL. “Spoiler alert, hope they weren’t your favourite character…” đ
Flayed Potatoes,
Psst. You don’t have to wonder what Varys is whispering there đ
QueenofThrones,
Everyone else looks amaaazing.
Well, not everyone. Poor Davos. You’d think the king would want his hand representing in some better cloth. Does Sansa still sew?
Markus Stark,
It’s no wonder Emelia said she had sleepless nights worrying about giving good enough performance during the crucial last season(s). She probably knows how much of the fandom’s been waiting on this for many years.
rfresa,
Haha! Yup I wish he would too . I do miss them.
Dee Stark,
I don’t know why but I’m glad you looked Dee haha. See, it’s fun to be a wee bit spoiled right? And your enthusiasm contributes positively to the room’s mood đ
Looks to me as though as they are hiding the Cersei shots not to give any spoilers but Ellaria, Yara and Tyene are going to be in for a whole world of hurt in my opinion.
Clob,
thanks all
omgggggg 63 MINS GAAAAAAh
ygritte,
hahaha
youre cute! WELLLLLL I would not have looked if I hadn’t been “spoiled” by some others discussing the promo that “confirms” the meeting.
But its okay, I am so hyped right now…
I was so shocked I really didn’t think we would get them together so soon
But the more I think about it, the more I think that it actually makes more sense to have them meet, not see eye to eye, discuss each other a bit together, go their separate ways, and then come back together later… rather than have them meet just the one time for the great war.
Black Raven,
Nope, had no clue!
Chilli,
I have a feeling neither is showing up any time soon!!!!
Sam,
Most likely spoilers LOLOL
that’s why I am careful around the comments hahaha
Ser Hogwyn,
I really hope you are right, he’s such a boring character for me, loyal and not “bad” in anyway but surely expendable and a good face for Dany to lose as she trades blows with Cersei.
Thi Targaryen,
umm?
come on now…
some people!!!!!!!!!
Sam,
hey sam.. I freaked out also when I saw those, because that users had a pretty out there comment to someone else.. I DONT KNOW WHO TO BELIVE ANY MORE LOL
grrrrr
>:-|
I like how Jonno’s new Stark style armour seems to have inverterd the colours, grey leather and brown sleeves rather than brown leather and grey sleeves. I wonder if this is intentional ala bastard inverted colours. They don’t seem to have done it with banners though…
Dee Stark,
Oh God I feel guilty now! It was my question being answered.đśAlthough I have seen some spoilers (no willpower) I wouldn’t want ‘unspoiled ‘ to get any ideas. My son is one and he would go mad if I inadvertently upset anyone on here. Sorry about that.
Dolorous Jaemi,
Talking of which have we seen any banners for Jon?
Carole H,
Don’t feel guilty.. đ you asked the question but people shouldn’t openly discuss spoilers when responding. we have spoiler covering tool for a reason. Its not hard to understand!!!!!!
Clob,
Ah but does she? Watch again she stops short of saying that and says only that Dany has a part to play along with another. My take is that’s a misdirect and intentional, Mel wants to bring them together to support Jon.
Inga,
Good luck with the DIY, hope it’s worth all the effort! I don’t remember the bit you mentioned, but I’ve read so many detailed spoilers I can’t recall half of them. Everyone seems to think the development of MissWorm’s relationship spells doom and heartbreak for them and usually I’d agree, but some people do seem to be going strong, like Sam and Gilly, so there’s always hope they won’t be the only ones. (That is not a spoiler btw, I always cover mine!)
TormundsWoman,
Hi honey *you know I’m waving*. Davos4evah đ If you don’t mind a relatively mild spoiler about him (it’s a good thing) EPISODE 3 CONTENT SPOILER
The Sybian,
Ha, ha I love it, but the title is spoilery, albeit rather obscurely. We need a rating system. As Dee has been our top spoiler avoider for years now I’d rank this as Dee (and Sam, Lord Paramandas (sp?) and all others actively avoiding spoilers), do NOT click on the link. *concerned for my fellow Watchers face*
Pigeon,
Hahaha – That guy is brilliant. I creased up laughing watching that. He has to be one (if not the best) GoT impressionists. He nails it with all those characters đ
What i expect from the next episode?
1) Jon and Dany meeting. I am really looking forward to the dynamic between them.
2) Cercei getting Elaria and Tyene. Both will die painfully. I expect Cercei will kill Tyene first and make Eleria watch. Maybe something like what the mad king did to Brandon and Rickard stark. I dont expect Yara to be tortured too much. She means nothing to Cercei. Euron will either keep her for himself or she will get imprisoned. There might be a chance for her to be rescued.
3) Attack on the Casterly Rock, i expect it will go well and the Unsullied will take it
4) The sac of High Garden. If Ollena is there i am afraid she might kill herself rather than getting captured. If she remained at Dragonstone then she has a chance to live but i dont know.
5) We might get to see Bran arrive to Winterfel this episode. Arya i dont expect to arrive before episode 4.
6) Jorah be cured only partialy i think. The procedure might buy him time but i dont expect him to be fully cured.
On a scale from Quaithe to Bran, I’d say it was a Qyburn.
And, since it’s (mostly) officially released promo material, it’s very considerate of you to worry about individual sensitivities, which may range from fair to arbitrary.
And don’t think I didn’t catch your dual artwork over at FF. Got me coughing with laughter.
Do you make gifs, by any chance?
In Cersei’s eyes Yara is a traitor and deserves to die. If Euron “presents” her I suspect she will be killed (though Cersei would as you imply reserve the most sadistic torture for Elaria and her daughter by extension). Maybe if Euron keeps her for himself *shudder* she could live awhile.
Yeah I’m a little confused, because I thought that Tyrion’s plan was to send both Olenna and Eliaria home on Yara’s ships so they can muster their forces… however Olenna didn’t seem to be on the boat(s) taken by Euron. Or maybe he just came in, grabbed the Sands and left so Olenna is still heading to Highgarden on another ship?
Problem with that is Dany sent him away only because keeping near was too much of a risk to her people (and herself). If he’s not fully cured (so he’s not contagious) he really can’t re-engage with the story…
The Sybian,
Mmmm maybe Jon Snow at one end (knows nothing and doesn’t want to) and our all-seeing omnipresent faves at the other? I think the photos are all official ones and the topic quite predictable, ’tis the title I fear would alert the unsuspecting to up coming events.
Sadly I have no moving picture skills; lame puns with just-about-passable photoshop is my speciality – glad you liked it! đ Abyss was our gif Maester but hasn’t been around much for a while, we may need to apply to the Citadel for help.
Much like armies, fleets do not travel entirely together. Obviously, a big chunk of the fleet got wiped out, and probably the greatest flotilla of the fleet: but if we learn that other flotillas within the fleet survived, then we should not be surprised. Olenna will be on one of those. And, let’s face it: the odds of getting every ship in a flotilla or even a squadron are small, anyway.
QueenofThrones,
Euron got enough trophies for both Cersei and himslef, plus he’s not the type who shares his toys. The remains of the failed Dornish plot line are of greater value to her so he’ll trade them for an alliance. Yara is family and in accordance with his speech from the first episode, he should keep her. He’ll get more for her in Winterfell than in King’s Landing in the unlikely case he has no use for her. If Yara don’t take the place of Damphair from the books, she might survive … right now I’m pessimistic about her chances.
Casterly Rock and High Garden in the same episode? Doubtful.
That would force her to meet people alone: and that wouldn’t be very wise tactically, would it? Besides, with something like dragons, wouldn’t it be both tactically and strategically more savvy to keep them mostly unseen until they are unleashed?
At any rate, they do need to get the characters consolidated: it is very, very late in the game, now!
The NK is ice. The NK and the wights are ice and the complete opposite of Dany and the Dragons. Heck, even Bran is more ice than Jon. Jon is both ice and fire and he’s a mediator, the one that brings all these elements together. It’s not a coincidence that he is the one going to Dany to try and bring her into the fight against the WW. Jon’s parentage also gives you the hint that he’s both ice and fire (Lyanna is a full Stark, while Rhaegar is a full Targ).
Umm season 6 was not about Jon being the sole AA/PTWP. Or did you forget that Dany got proclaimed as the one that was promised by Kinvara? Or that all the Dothraki bowed to her after she burned down the hut (referring to yet another prophecy)? Meanwhile all Jon got was Mel saying a line of dialogue out of desperation because she dun goofed with Stannis. Oh and a dick joke from Tormund to show how ridiculous it was that Jon was seen as a god.
Yeah I actually found out lmao
seenGhost?,
That’s a good point. I think you’re right that Euron will kill Yara or keep her hostage unless Cersei demands. I think kill is more likely (possibly in the way you imply) since I don’t think Yara has any value to him as a hostage. If she’s dead and Theon is Reekified, his hold over the II is absolute.
Discussing Ep 3 Preview:
That’s a bit underwhelming, W. Who said anything about meeting? Is Dany’s great strategy to unleash the ravens? Emails are such great techniques to get people to “Bend the knee!” đ No, a flyover would be good for recon, a chance for the Westerosi houses to consider treating with her implied power and an emphatic statement to the land. Furthermore, doesn’t Dany want to visually inspect the land she is conquering first?
Like you have stated many times in the past….as with the WWs, the people won’t believe it until they see it.
I’m accepting the analysis that someone wrote a few days back regarding timeframe between episodes….approximately a month. I am assuming that Dany is doing her recon appropriately (stretching her wings, so to speak) but somehow Yara and her missed the Euron surprise. Think of the planning in Ep2 that goes out the window because of the ironborn massacre. Dany’s invasion will be bittersweet. Is the Casterly Rock invasion really going to be a surprise?
Good to read you again, W.
OT but for the UK contingent Top of the Lake on tonight featuring Gwendoline Christie at 9pm BBC2. Last series was very good written by Jane Campion.
Yeah, this’ll work better.
Photos may be official, but the captions are even more official… đ
Despite all the googling, can’t find even a single still of Ebrose’s fingers (four of them) slipping into a gap between the books to grab Ch’Vyalthan’s tome:
http://wikiofthrones.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/details-you-might-have-missed-in-the-Game-of-Thrones-season-7-episode-2-Stormborn-3.jpg
A shot that comes abruptly after Missandei and Grey Worm’s intimacy.
Very effective use of symbolism of what occurred after the cunnilingus?
I wonder if it was just the Ironborn contingent that Euron attacked?
Geographically, it would make more sense for Olenna to leave with the Unsullied, who can drop her off in the Reach on their way to Casterly Rock. Wouldn’t that be quicker and safer than her being taken to Dorne with the Sand Snakes and then travelling overland with the army? Missandei did say that Grey Worm and the Unsullied would be leaving the day after their scene together, and that took place before we saw the Sand Snakes, Yara and Theon on their boats.
Flayed Potatoes,
Daenerys:
But the Fire/Ice analogy is exactly like the other user describes it.
Jon has had minimal thematic relevance to the element of fire (his resurrection is debatable). This would be even more evident if the ultimate plot twist turned out to be Daenerys having been born in the Tower of Joy (Jon’s twin).
Twin Azor Ahai “messiahs” (or puppets), with inverse Ice & Fire characteristics, each taking after a different parent. Two halves of a whole, unity of opposites, dualism, binary opposition, and all that jazz.
Entire essays have been written on their more or less mirrored/parallel storylines, culminating on the show in Battle of the Bastards.
Mostly depends on whether you believe GRRM about their age difference (book canon), and both book & show canons (so far).
Of course, if she is indeed Aerys & Rhaella’s daughter and/or succumbs to the Targaryen madness, Jon (and humankind) will have to face two elemental mortal perils and will probably be something like what you described above (Ice & Fire threesome with Jon in between).
QueenofThrones,
And this reminded me I haven’t seen the preview yet^^
With the so advertised and yet to be seen increase of pace ( due to the smaller number of episodes ) it might be possible to see both. Then they’ll be shorter even than Riverrun ( where is Edmure?!? ) and we might get yet another setup episode later.
I still can’t get why they are so hell bent with taking Casterly Rock. It does have a symbolic value, but not a strategic one. And if they intend to keep it, that’ll create problems. If not, the Unsullied will have to travel back by sea once again. Not worth engaging your best troops, actually the only real troops Daenerys has at the moment.
Haha good one Sybian ..I’m all for that rating system, and no doubt it should top out with a flashing red “Code Deeeee” on that scale đ …amazed how well she’s managed to stay in the dark!
I’m beginning to find it really hard to stay unsullied after the blatantly uncovered spoilers made by someone earlier in this thread. Actually considering a break from WotW until Ep7 has aired… Just don’t know what to do with all my spare time then đ
Dead Dane Walking,
Actually, these props should be given to LulusMum, as she’s the one who came up with this rating system, so… đ
The Sybian,
He was resurrected by a red priestess (associated with fire) and in the books he has a dream where he’s armored in ice and wielding a fire sword.
Dany doesn’t have to go mad to be purely fire. Her and her dragons are destined to fight the WW/NK. Two opposing forces.
She doesn’t feel like home in Dragonstone because it’s a place she has no memories of. She was raised in Essos. Her birth is associated with a famous storm. There’s no doubt as to her parentage.
I don’t know how people can still doubt Jon was the baby at the ToJ after that transition from baby Jon to adult Jon
Carole H,
I haven’t noticed any around Winterfell, but maybe he’s trying to kind not bring attention to his illegitimacy, the inverted armour is kind of a subtle nod; however I THINK in the opening credits the direwolf sigil on Winterfell is now white
The consummation issue would surely be grounds for annulment at least. But one more thing: Sansa was married under duress. She was basically given the choice of marriage or death. I think that would also be grounds for annulment.
The marriage to Ramsay was legit though. Yes, there was some manipulation there as well but she said the words that made it legit. That means Sansa is still the widowed Lady Bolton, and Lady of Winterfell either way. She’s also probably heir to the Dreadfort.
As for the books, Stannis sees the sparks turn into snowflakes in one vision, then the Fist of he First Men, and a crown of fire incinerating a king in another.
Apart from her dragon dreams, Daenerys was also shown a blue rose growing out of a chink in the Wall.
Jaime dreams of himself and Brienne both weilding swords burning with a silvery-blue flame.
While Jon’s dream is much more specific and on the nose, generally the symbolism of dreams is broad and ambiguous.
We’ll just have to wait and see if the Song of Ice and Fire refers to one or two persons, if Daenerys is meant to be some sort of another Nissa Nissa and what Jon’s role will be in all of this.
The opposition you mention is certainly there, but the showrunners’ aesthetic choices (framing, shot angles, filters, etc), along with the semiotics surrounding Jon & Daenerys, make it obvious the parallels described by the user above are definitely present.
https://68.media.tumblr.com/4577ab7f223659b8975d7e8d2aeb453f/tumblr_ol7px6u6lc1v6tej0o1_500.jpg
This could be the initial meaning of the phrase, until proven otherwise. GRRM and the showrunners, in both books and show, are making masterful work out of double entendre’s and multiple meanings. With all the (tinfoily?) speculation about Daenerys’s true origins, this line of dialogue seems promisingly suspicious.
There’s little doubt Jon is Ned & Wylla’s son, there’s no doubt Melisandre is a beautiful young woman. (I’m guessing you meant in-universe)
In a show where secrets, lies and hidden agendas are one of main, most basic themes (just like in the source material), I’m expecting an avalanche of plot twists in season 8.
Daenerys being the daughter of Rhaegar & Lyanna could be one of those, even though it had zero buildup so far.
The books, on the other hand, are a different case. Red doors, lemon trees etc can’t just be nostalgia or red herrings. Admittedly, the author exaggerates a tad here and there and I don’t agree with all of their arguments (Ashara Dayne’s role, for one), but this a more or less complete summary of the case:
http://thelasthearth.com/thread/572/dany
If you go back to my comment you’ll see I mentioned twins. Jon is obviously the newborn shown in the season 6 finale, so I too am baffled by those doubting people you mentioned.
For the twins version to actually occur, that Tower of Joy sequence should have a continuation involving a second babe. Even though I realise how difficult this should be, given the impossible amount of secrecy it would entail, whether they shot the scenes last year or they would be for season 8.
Making the 8,
Which smile? His smile? Or the vertical smile he had his face attached to?