Though it’s almost time for the premiere of season 6, it’s never too late for a little Game of Thrones casting news! Or recasting news, as it appears to be in this case.
Last August, we learned that GoT was casting for a new character that bore a suspicious resemblance to a Frey. The “hapless sly son to cruel father” was set to appear in three episodes. At the time, we speculated he might be an equivalent to the books’ unlucky Merrett Frey, but based on what we’ve learned today, the character is someone we’ve already met.
Thanks to a tip from WotW reader alcasinoroyale, we’ve learned that British actor Daniel Tuite has joined the cast of Game of Thrones in the role of Lothar Frey, for season 6. The actor’s Spotlight CV credits him for the part of Lothar as a recurring role this year.
Lothar Frey previously was played by Tom Brooke, appearing in two episodes of the third season, most notably in “The Rains of Castamere.” Lothar is the Frey family member responsible for the murder of Talisa Stark, stabbing her in her pregnant stomach at the infamous Red Wedding.
As it turns out, we’ve already seen the new Lothar, in the second season 6 trailer. Tuite can be seen sitting at Walder Frey’s right-hand side.
It certainly makes sense to bring back Lothar along with old Walder and Black Walder. Brooke must not have been available for last fall’s filming. Three episodes is a good amount of time to reestablish the Freys this year. It seems like everyone from season 3 is coming back, one way or the other; perhaps it’s time for a little payback too?
Hodor?
Cheese
ooh closest I’ve been to Hodor
Awesome! It’s great to have a new face to a character that’s obviously gonna die and a terrible, terrible death haha.
Im just happy to get some Freys
Poor Tom Brooke, people bullying him on the street everytime he walks out.
Life ruined.
That’s what you get for cutting Catelyn’s throat. I’m not surprised he gave up on the role.
Any news on Gendry returning?
Bring on the Frey Pies!
The North Remembers
They look smug now ………
3 episodes, this should be quite interesting then
Will the Freys die this season? I hope so, I hate the Freys and their stupid hats.
Fingers crossed for LS.
Has anyone been able to find info on whether or not Tobias Menzies is back this season? Or even a recast for Edmure if TM was too busy with Outlander?
He’s definitely back; it was reported here a while back that he was involved with the Riverrun scenes.
coz,
He is coming back
coz,
He’s back. We found out in October IIRC.
They had like 88 other Freys to choose from and they decided to recast one and keep it the same character? Makes zero sense to me. Why not just introduce another Frey?
I love just almost every single thing about this show, and I know it’s hard with such an large ensemble cast.
But I’d be lying if I didn’t say that the recasts bug the hell out of me.
SirSquinty,
Lothar killed Talisa and Little Ned. That makes him, like, the second worst Frey. Which is saying a lot.
Doesn’t look like enough meat on those bones to make a proper pie
Recasts bug me, too. I remember Lothar Frey’s face well. Daario recast has been worst. And annoyed they re-used Dean-Charles Chapman, though I think he’s done a great job playing Tommen. I’ll try to give D&D credit that they tried to get the original Lothar back. Glad they’re keeping the role instead of making up new Frey for us to hate.
His death will mean more than Merrett’s death or that of one of the many other Freys named in the books … I think Merrett’s responsibility was to drink the Greatjon senseless but he failed in that (at least that was what he said in the books) … the death of Lame Lothar will have much more resonance if and when it occurs
I think Tom Brooke is in the new Series Preacher, that’s probably why he couldn’t come back. He was too busy with that.
Red Wedding 2.
“It seems like everyone from season 3 is coming back, one way or the other; perhaps it’s time for a little payback too?”
Oh, let’s hope so. I’m not normally such a vengeful person, but I’ve been awaiting some Frey deaths for a long time. I see Old Walder is toasting some occasion, with a big smile on his nasty old face. I’m hoping this is the season that smile disappears permanently, along with Lothar and Black Walder.
Frey pies, pretty please.
I actually don’t think the Freys will be dying this season…
I think it will be more of a setup for their deaths (likely early) in season 7.
Anyway, that’s too bad they couldn’t get Tom Brooke back. At least they got Tim Plester back as Black Walder.
Why do you think any Frey retribution won’t be till season 7? Learning there are at least 3 episodes in season 6 with Freys starring, I’m encouraged there will be a big storyline there. If no deaths, what would all that focus be about? Completely new material? It’s possible.
So, is it confirmed that the casting call was for Lothar? I always imagined this would be a new Frey, who takes charge of the Siege of Riverrun and is hanged by outlaws or killed by the wolf pack before a possible RW 2.0. Some kind of Merrett/Ryman combination, possibly with some redeeming character traits as well to show that not everyone in the Frey family is purely evil.
The timeline of the Riverland plot this year is one of the big question marks. If Lothar appears in 3 episodes this means that the Siege will last at least 2 episodes and the third appearance would be at the feast shown in the trailer. We know that Jaime is in Kings Landing until at least episode 6×06. Assuming that he is absent in 6×07 due to the travel time that means Riverrun will be in episodes 6×08, 6×09 and 6×10, which is kind of strange as I thought 6×09 would entirely focus on the big Northern battle. Of course there could also be a buildup episode earlier in the season involving the Freys but not Jaime.
I’m not sure if a possible Red Wedding 2.0 would take place this season. It would fit the whole Stark revenge theme this year and could be a great season end shocker in 6×10, but I think it would feel a bit rushed. We show needs some time to re-introduce all the Riverland characters, do the Siege properly and get everyone in place (Jaime and Brienne captured by Outlaws?). The trailer scene with Walder toasting could also be him celebrating the taking of Riverrun with his Lannister friends and possibly announcing that he is about to get married again. It does not look like a wedding feast to me. For example there is no “bride” to be seen. If this was Walder’s wedding, wouldn’t his future bride be seated next to him instead of Lothar and Black Walder? If Arya is somehow involved in RW 2.0 this could also be problem with her timeline as she is in Braavos until 6×07 or 6×08 IIRC. The Riverland plotline this season could possibly end with Jaime and Brienne meeting a certain Lady (if she is in the show). I’m not a big fan of LSH, but introducing her in one of the last scenes of 6×10 would be a huge WTF?!-moment for most of the audience. Red Wedding 2.0 is coming for sure, but I think it will happen early in season 7.
If some element of the LSH plot line doesn’t play out this year this will be the worst trolling ever … We gave up on all that … Now everything points to it happening … Why why why … I’m not gonna get carried away though … I’ve given up … Would be cool if it did happen but at this point I’m like nope not gonna look forward to it all season
I was about to ask why recast instead of casting a new character out of Walder’s dozens of sons… then I read on and saw Lothar killed Talisa and fetus Ned. Now I get it! He looks pretty much the same, anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gfmt5y8jfeQ
This is an anime movie called fire and ice, 1983, wtf??????
Did grrm rip this anime off to a series of books?
Would be fantastic to see the Freys get what’s coming to them this season, but if it does happen, I don’t think Arya will be involved. It sounds like she’s going to be busy in Braavos for most of the season, and Maisie’s comments about Arya’s upcoming storyline just haven’t screamed “triumphant revenge we’ve all been waiting for”?
I mean, she’s mostly been talking about how much Arya will be broken down. I would’ve expected a little more hyping if something that big was coming, like the way Sophie has been talking about Sansa’s arc this season. But I really hope I’m wrong.
A technical issue (or maybe it’s intentional and I never noticed it before…): Many of the news from the last days don’t appear on the Home page!
I usually just check the landing page if new stuff has been posted, but I noticed that there are some links in the twitter widget to articles I’m not seeing on the page… turns out one has to click the “News” menu item to really see all of them :-[
Seems to be a bug, or maybe I’m just slow… Anyway: A bit confusing and not intuitive.
brightwal,
Fire, Ice, Wind, Thunder etc. are old Nature enemies of mankind. Think of the Snow Queen in HC Andersen’s tale or the Witch from Narnia or Jack Frost etc. No, he didn’t rip off anything in my book.
I’m sorry for Tom Brooke. He was perfect in the role, and I enjoyed his work in Sherlock.
So we know Jaime is in KL until episode 6. The Riverrun set was only used for only 2 episodes. If Lothar is in three episodes and we have an early set up scene/s in the Twins (that are shown in the trailer), then this must be followed by another two eps 7-10, so its late season that we will see the Frey story pan out-so its gonna be big. My guess is that Lothar will be hanged first of all in S6 as payback for Talisa and little Ned, followed by RW2 (possibly next season to give time for Arya to join the wolfpack and to re-establish TBWB). He has three episodes- they’re surely setting this specific character up for a significant demise.
The question remains-who would know that it was Lothar who killed the Stark heir other than a certain “remnant witness” of the RW? Yet another piece moved into place for a potential return of LSH? Or I guess the Freys could just as easily mention it in an establishing scene.
I’m almost buying a ticket for the LSH train.
Green Chili,
Or Aeron Greyjoy?
Undead Ice Kraken,
I’ve been having a similar problem recently, where refreshing the home page (or even closing it then opening it again) doesn’t bring up new articles. I just keep refreshing and refreshing and then eventually a bunch of new articles with loads of comments, from hours ago, will pop up. I assumed it was just my crappy campus internet, but maybe not…?
Green Chili,
You can find clues for when he was filming form his Twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/brahmgallagher
I don’t remember if anyone discussed these when they were first tweeted.
Ser Low-Res,
“Hold thy breath”
“Hard to put a leash on a dog when you put a crown on his head”
“The big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling”
I call Damphair.
I’m living in hope there. The Freys are back, Thoros is back, so fingers crossed for Gendry. With nowhere really to go, perhaps he’s headed for the Wall. Seems like the best place for him.
It’s frustrating that he featured so much for three seasons and then vanished. Too big a loose end to just abandon surely?!
If we get a red wedding 2.0 i bet its going to be so brutal and merciless we will feel weird cheering for it, kind of like when joffrey died.
The Blackfish is going to whoop his ass.
Or when Arya killed Polliver and Meryn. A mix of triumph and dread, seeing what our heroes have had to become in order to exact revenge.
I’m sure the massacre will be at least as bloodthirsty and cruel as the Red Wedding, if not more so.
Ser Low-Res,
From his spotlight page :
2016, Television, Undisclosed/Cast Member, GAME OF THRONES, HBO, Mark Mylod
http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/M201367.html
Dead man walking.
He better not make it through season 6.
Talisa’s death still gives me nightmares.
We saw in S3E10 that the Freys happily boast about their roles in the slaughter and desecration of the Stark bodies.
Green Chili,
Of course I know that. And of course I can :P.
However, if he’s only in Mark Mylod’s episode(s) it won’t be Damphair.
It just bothers me we haven’t seen or heard a single thing about him.
Maisie Williams was asked about that a while ago at some press event. She commented that she had seen Joe Dempsie at a party at Hannah Murray’s house some time earlier, but neither knew when he might be back. She could have been covering, but she seemed quite sincere.
What if jaime kills walder frey and says the starks send their regards. Oh a man can dream….
For me, one of the main reasons for LSH was to show that in war there are no totally blameless sides (or in this case families). Nothing is totally black or white like in the storybooks. I hope we get a bit of that somehow.
Oh, and as an aside, I find myself really disliking the term/concept of “Red Wedding 2”. Just seems so unoriginal. Now some GNC or Frey Pie, that’s a different matter!
OT: These are Bryan Cogman’s top 3 episodes. Nice that “the children” is so high.
https://mobile.twitter.com/b_cogman/status/722241448964304898
5 days!!!!!!
Only question: does he have the Frey “weak chin”? Doesn’t look like it. I guess if he has the schmuck-with-earflaps hat that’s good enough.
Brienne kills Walder I think.
Maybe it’s better that the old actor left the show….after all, had he returned, he’d have been playing a Frey.
Still disgusted they are doing just 13 eps after this season… smh
TheKingWhoCares,
I like much of your thinking. I’m just not sure of two things. One: that Arya comes back this year. That would be great, but I don’t see it happening. And two: I think the big climax this year is episode 9 or 10 (cliffhangers are officially a thing since last season) when the wall comes down. That, and Dany will be headed to 7K. I really hope I am right. Which means the Frey revenge should hurry up and get done. Next season will be a whole new ball game.
I’m guessing that Red Wedding 2.0 (if it happens) will be akin to the episode of The Walking Dead where Rick & co mercilessly massacres the surviving members of Terminus in Father Gabriel’s church.
I tend to agree. From filming spoilers, it seems as if
As for the final scene of Episode 10, I’ve long since thought that it would be the Wall falling down. The recent news that D&D thinks there will be only 13 episodes left after S7 is just more confirmation for my speculation. I really do think that S6 will end with the Wall falling down.
Remember … if you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.
Josh L.,
Remember that Arya is set to RETURN to the Riverlands in S6. It might very well be how they end her season. We don’t know if we’ll see her in the RL and if so, what she’ll do, but I don’t think it’ll be much given she’s
brightwal,
I think this is what he ripped off
http://www.hawaiishopaholics.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ICY003_Xl.jpg
I’m on the fence. First, I think that was just a negotiation tactic with HBO for more money. Second….even in their statement, they said that there will be *multiple* episodes with a “Hardhome”-level scale and budget. Quality over quantity. And I sympathize.
I must say, I think you have hit the nail on the head with your thoughts. If not, you have to be close.
I’m really hoping that Arya will meet back up with Nymeria. That one is a biggie for me….as we all know there will not be a happy ending to this story. Bittersweet, but not happy so come the final season we will all be in tears to see it end AND due to the ending.
Out of curiosity, is there any indication of a “Red Wedding 2.0?” People keep referring to this, but if the profound shock of the Red Wedding to Westerosi society was the violation of guest right (rather than the murders themselves….), then it seems unlikely that the North, or anyone else, would stage a similar event in revenge.
The slow, creeping horror of being stalked and taken out, a single Frey at a time, by LSH (and the pie-making Manderly) seems much more psychologically powerful as a revenge narrative.
And several posts above mentioned trouble loading new stories on the homepage. I’m also having that problem.
fierce as a wolverine,
Totally agree here. If we only have potentially another 13 eps or so after S6 then the Wall I coming down in ep 10. But I think it will be more as a result of Brans mistake; where he overstretches his powers, is discovered by the NK and they invade Weirwood central. This destruction could have some effect on the Old Gods ability to keep the Wall standing. It seems to accord with all that we’ve learned/ seen/ heard from Bran this coming season.
The brotherhood is coming for ya Frey sons!!!
thornofhighgarden,
lots of us have been having the same problem Sue said they had made some changes, to the server perhaps? So no you are not alone
ash,
It’s poor timing and is taking quite some time to be fixed, apparently. Some posts disappear, only to be back hours later. But they’re on it.
5 days
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEYqBE2wdlH/
Fiona,
Calling it right now.. the final episode of Season 6 will have the revenge of the Starks, Tullys and Northern Houses destroying the Freys and the Lannisters soldiers, with the help of the Brotherhood without Banners please.
Arya and Nymeria will reunite, and the wolfpack and Arya itself will kill those fuckers.
Arya will stab Walder Frey in the heart whispering in his ear: “The Starks sends their regards”.
Oh man, goosebumps hahaha.
the actor was last seen passing the cayman islands. still rowing.
TheKingWhoCares,
I think a plot to get revenge on Frey’s maybe Boltons or Lannisters won’t happen during a meal/feast/wedding. One it is to obvious. Two, if the books taught us anything, it appears that Frey’s die by being chipped away. Falling in ditch on spikes, being killed in the blizzard at winterfell, being hunted by Brotherhood. I don’t think the protagonists are good enough to get revenge doing the same tactics. I am sure Riverrun is guarded while the feast is taking place and people will know if the brotherhood is coming.
Sansa’s Knight,
I don’t see how we are being trolled about LSH. I think everyone is just assuming and hoping. Lena Headey two years ago making a heart out of stones and putting it on twitter is being trolled! There is interesting stuff going on at Riverrun and Riverlands that the Freys’ Lannisters and Jamie are apart of that don’t include LSH. Then the brotherhood can easily be involved without her. Beric and Thoros are established.
thornofhighgarden,
Maisie Williams was seen
crabber son,
How would a red Wedding 2.0 occur. The lannister and freys are not going to take each other out. They are either at the Twins or Riverrun, two very formidable castles. The castles will be guarded so during the feasts its not like the Brotherhood with their lack of numbers can storm a castle under feast. The brotherhood knows their weakness is size of force so they have to depend on sneak surprise attacks when the enemy is vulnerable. All enemies are vulnerable while traveling, basically out of their castles. This it complete speculation but I am guessing there will be mention of the outlaw group in the riverlands (brotherhood).
Dutch Maester,
The posts never leave. It’s your cache that is reverting. Updating your browsers to the newest versions and making sure your caches are cleared definitely seems to help.
We’re moving to another new server tonight because apparently the other new one wasn’t good enough. Which is a good problem to have – turns out we have just too much traffic and everything is breaking because of it. So after tonight, things should be a lot better.Oz could explain it more technically but he can’t be in comments with all these spoilers. Sorry for all the trouble! We’re pretty focused on getting it fixed before the premiere.
Sean C.,
How would the Brotherhood perform the revenge with such small numbers and not being in the castle?
A new dothraki
http://www.thestar.co.uk/our-towns-and-cities/sheffield/preview-sheffield-s-latest-game-of-thrones-star-revealed-1-7862184
My best bet on the “Frey” episodes are 7, 8 and 10, given previous spoilers.
“Red Wedding” 2.0 is coming people, Stoneheart or no Stoneheart…
H.Stark,
Yeah, he’s playing a nameless bloodrider, it seems.
How do we know Black Walder is coming back? He doesn’t look like the guy left of Walder Frey (we now know that the guy to the right is Lothar Frey)
Sue the Fury,
I did, in fact. But whenever there’s a new post it still doesn’t show up. Not a big deal, of course. Better now than next week.
^^Win.
Stargaryen,
Valaquen,
That was just random Frey people next to a fire…what does that have to do with the previous statement or Lothar?
Greatjon of Slumber,
This actor has too much chin to be a Frey… needs moar stoat.
This seems a good place to leave this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMduhcKu5tw
speculative spoiler-y & a bit long but very cool vid with Riverlands theorem.
It’s actually not that big of an inconvenience. I find that refresh or reload page works fine to bring it up to date. I’m glad ya’ll are updating the server tonight of course. But if anyone is having trouble just refresh or reload your page and that should get you through today.
Sean C.,
Ah, yes, I can see that particular character doing something like that. That’s character’s absence from the show, however, means that one of the present and still-human characters would have to take on some pretty monstrous qualities.
Thanks for filling me in. I’m a book-reader but hadn’t come across that theory.
Fred,
That’s definitely Tim Plester on Walder Frey’s left side. Same Black Walder as before.
The Riverlands storyline is the most confusing one to me right now. We know we will get the Riverrun siege, Red Wedding 2 and that the BwB is coming back, but apart from that it’s hard to predict anything else.
It seems like Sansa is taking the LS role (she has been saying CONSTANTLY that her storyline will involve revenge), that would explain the “Lady Stoneheart commanding an army” rumor, but it also seems like Sansa will be in the north for a while (the Bear Island room from the trailer).
We also know that Brienne is going south, but why would she leave Sansa? It would make MUCH more sense if Sansa goes with her.
And if the Tullys and the BwB join forces for Red Wedding 2, why would they accept Brienne’s help? Sansa, on the other hand, would be the perfect uniting chess piece. Also, RW2 wouldn’t be emotionally powerful is a Stark is not behind it (think about it, would it be satisfying if Brienne or Edmure is behind it? I sincerely don’t think so.)
For all I know, the show could even take Thoros to the wall to be the one that resurrects Jon. There he could meet with Sansa (I know it would make zero sense for Thoros to go there, but after Jaime in Dorne everything is possible, and it would also help explain Beric’s death).
And even if Sansa stays north for the first part of the season and then goes south, that would contradict all the rumors that say she will be present at the battle of the bastards. So, I’m completely lost on this one.
Just had a crazy idea: what if Jaime, who as we know from the trailer assumed command of Lannister forces, unleashes Red Wedding 2 upon the Freys?
I don’t think Sansa is going to take the LSH role. Her story is in the North. Sansa’s revenge is going to be on the Boltons, not on the Freys. It’s Arya who’s going to get revenge on the Freys.
I think the majority of LSH’s role will be occupied by BlackFish. The BlackFish, as a survivor of the Red Wedding, and Catelyn’s uncle, is going to want some major revenge on the Freys.
As to the poster above who said that the Frey will be slowly and gradually picked off. I suspect that’s going to happen on the show as well. They will be in three episodes, and the first two will probably be scenes of them being picked off by the BwB (hangings, falling into spike pits, Frey Pies, etc.). But one of the features of the Frey clan is that it is HUGE. I think Walder Frey has something like 88 (?) children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren. So while a few will be picked off, the majority will be wiped out in this Red Wedding 2.0.
I also get the feeling that Walder Frey will be the last surviving member and his “reward” for the Red Wedding will be to see his entire family wiped out before dying himself, most likely at the hands of Arya Stark. I’m only uncertain whether this will happen in S6 or early in S7. I feel like, plot wise, it’s better for Walder to meet his end at the end of S6 (and thus removing that storyline from the S7/8 picture). But I can’t see how it lines up time wise, especially with what we know about Arya’s filming spoilers. We’ll see how it plays out.
Cannot wait til Frey heads inside those stupid hats/helms are lopped off.
King in the North Carolina,
Ppp,
Greenjones,
Cool. Thanks, all. I was pretty busy around then (haunted house time) and wasn’t able to read up much at that time.
I think we all need to remember that the RW2 is not canon as yet, just supposition. I subscribe to this theory (and really hope it happens in some way) but we don’t know for sure that it will.
OK….wtf is with the “Red Wedding 2” or “Red Wedding 2.0″…what exactly are you guys dreaming this is?
In the books, Lady Stoneheart and the BwB will kill all the Freys and Lannisters present at Daven Lannister’s wedding in Riverrun. There are many hints in the books that this will happen.
It will be the most amazing revenge ever conceived. Just imagine how traumatasing it will be for Walder Frey when he sees Catelyn emerging and killing everyone else and then killing him personally.
How can a character be both “hapless” and “sly”?
Unless….Lothar and Merrett are being condensed?
Long a$$ face