Croatian newspaper Slobodna Dalmacija has reported via Adventure Dubrovnik on an unexpected return for Game of Thrones, as Lena Headey was spotted filming in Dubrovnik.
Headey was spotted on set in costume, in the same location that Myrcella was previously seen being shipped off to Dorne, possibly awaiting her return.
EDIT: As several eagle-eyed Watchers have pointed out, that’s Thor “The Mountain” Björnsson next to Lena. In the below picture we can make out a man in Kingsguard armour, suggesting that he will be accompanying Cersei. 
This is despite HBO confirming back in August that Game of Thrones would not be returning to film in Croatia for Season Six, as most of the location shooting has now moved to Spain. It seems original speculation was correct and the crew will indeed be filming there for a few days.
You can check out the rest of the images here.
Thanks to WotW reader Robin for bringing this to our attention!
This video clip has also surfaced:
Hodor?
I hope Myrcella dies slowly and painfully while Cersei watches.
is that the mountain?
Ira,
I don’t want to watch Myrcella die painfully, but I sure do want Cersei to watch it!
Looks like a bit of a time skip given that Cersei’s hair has grown back a few inches….
Looks like Hafþór still has some of his gray makeup around his eyes (and sunglasses…to hide the zombie eyes?).
get hype!
Sensible decision. I’m sure they tried to find a location in Spain, but there was obviously not a good enough one for continuity reasons.
A few days in Croatia makes sense really, because the landscape and aerial shots need to match previous season in an ideal world.
Is that Robert Strong behind her in a few pics? Certainly is a massive guy!
Yeah isn’t that the Mountain?
Pretty sure that the massive dude behind her with all the tattoos and white shirt is Hafthor Bjornsson. Basing this completely on the fact that he himself has tattoos and is massive. Probably wrong though.
Is the big guy in the second picture the mountain? He seems to be wearing something which could at least be the lower half of a costume?
So she`s there waiting at the dock all by herself, no kings guard or gold cloaks ….
Good to see Lena. Things are moving along nicely. The best actress on the show, IMHO.
*gasp* Ser Robert! I can’t wait to see the King’s Landing storyline, the next season.
And I’m pretty sure Myrcella is already dead? No way Cersei can witness her dying, come on.
Fu Manchu,
Well if that is the Mountain/Robert Strong behind her, she might not need them. Or she just doesn’t have much power as she used to and only has Qyburn and his beast to protect her.
Yes, that’s Gregor Clegane … in other photos from the link, you can see him in full costume, with his King’s Guard armour and the white cloak
Yeah it might be financial (moving to Spain) but if I’ve learned one thing it’s that you get only one chance to annoy the producers of Game of Thrones… one mistake and you blow it. Whether it’s actors not accepted back if they flaked previously on keeping their schedule free or throwing a big stink during filming (Walk of Shame), when you’re out, you’re out.
At least they haven’t totally abandoned Croatia but it’s very clear it’s not the way it used to be.
Pretty sure that is Robert Strong. If you click the link to look at all the pics, one of them has a Kingsguard near her. Plus, that dude is massive.
Good Clegane spotting guys! I was clearly so excited to see Lena I didn’t even notice the massive bloke standing behind her…. :p
Why they didn’t use Dubrovnik for Sept of Baelor again? 🙁
Well this is surprising!
Thanks for credits. 🙂
Seems like a good day for a descent into madness. Good luck, Jaime! What will he say? If Trystane isn’t already swimming with the fishes, then he’s probably destined for Qyburn’s lab.
Also on the subject of filming rumours, I was talking to some Macedonian friends last week, who were completely convinced something is going to be shot in Macedonia for S6. Of course the original Macedonian story back in June or July was quickly shown to be a hoax and I said that to my friends and suggested to them that they had probably been misled by it. Now that this Croatia sighting has surfaced though – I begin to wonder if my friends were better informed than I thought and if there is maybe a tiny GoT Macedonian side trip planned for something very specific? Anyone heard anything?
Wow. I didn’t expect this!
You can also see the mountain in armor in one of the pictures.
Gotdamn my man is jacked. Ever notice how tight white clothing always seems to make the body more pronounced? I’m pretty much basing that on those white capris the ladies rock. If I didn’t know any better it looks like dudes wearing x-ray vision glasses
Fu Manchu,
Did you not see the Mountain with her?
Lena in Dubrovnik and Iain Glen in Almería-Spain (A friend’s info) 🙂
Who needs an army when you have a zombified mountain?
Is there any spoiler left for next season? LOL
It’s strange that she’s alone. Shouldn’t be there a royal party to greet Princess Myrcella and the heir of Dorne?
On the other hand, if this is after Myrcella’s death and Cersei is there mourning, wouldn’t she be dressed in black?
SlayerNina,
Cersei will… STAND THERE. SPOILER ALERT.
We don’t actually know that much.
lalla,
Well, she’s protected by the Mountain. So she’s not alone. That said, yeah, more people should greet the Princess… well, yeah. I kinda agree.
thremnir,
When u say Macedonia , u mean Nothern Greece ? Cause i have heard any rumours about GOT planning to film in Greece.
Holy close up, Batman. Nice to see her! 🙂
Here is yet another – I am not going to call it a lie, but certainly a deception. I doubt they waltzed into Croatia and started filming, it would have to be planned I should think. Maybe they just wanted to give Lena as much privacy as possible. She looks amazing.
I too wonder what is happening down there at that specific point. It has to be Jaime returning, yeah? Who knows after that. I do think
Myrcella is not alive and this is the point that he realizes how long he has been a fool for loving Cersie and she sends him off to the Riverlands or he goes there with a specific purpose.
I know the above isn’t that much of a spoiler, but better to err on the side of caution. YEAH we got to see Cersie post WoS.
Maybe it’s a scene of the first or second episode, she doesn’t know what happened with Myrcella and Jaime and just look at the sea nostalgic because she miss them… although this doesn’t sound like Cersei….
It’s logic there will be some scenes after Myrcella’s death and before Jaime comes to King’s Landing and whatever happened it must be already filmed as the actress who plays Myrcella recently changed her hair color. Also if Nikolaj isn’t there that means they don’t come back at this scene…
Luka Nieto,
LOL.
mau,
Probably because the scene is so big it just couldn’t be filmed in the narrow streets of Dubrovnik.
It’s Robert Strong yeah. These fans took a pic with him today in dubrovnik and they confirmed it
http://oi60.tinypic.com/rk4uvb.jpg
Maggie,
Well, we know that she misses Myrcella. She talked about it to Oberyn in S4. I guess, sometime passed after the walk (the hair looks longer).
Did anyone else think it was Thor in the first picture behibd Lena and then realized he was missing the beard in the next one?
How would she know? They’ve been on a boat from Dorne. Do we know whether the boats carry ravens with them? Likely a raven would be sent from Sunspear to King’s Landing to inform them that the ship had left, but if Jaime doesn’t have a raven, he’s now charged with bringing his dead child back with him to greet Cersei. So, uh, *that’s* going to be a fun confrontation.
Kargaryen,
Its a little hard to believe that he’s only 26. He looks older.
Greatjon of Slumber,
Unless we see at the very least Nikolaj filming there, I doubt we’ll see the immediate reaction.
Well, she’s protected by the Mountain. So she’s not alone. That said, yeah, more people should greet the Princess… well, yeah. I kinda agree.
My half assed guess is that she’s standing there looking at the water and she already knows Myrcella is dead. She’s just like, you know, being sentimental or whatever.
So does Thor have really large glasses on or is that glasses with his grey Frankenmountain makeup behind it? When I blow it up, kinda looks Frankenmountain grey to me.
Maybe they didn’t want Cersei to go through another season wearing yet another black dress. I don’t think she’s waiting for Myrcella either.
Anybody spot a director? I kind of see someone who resembles Mark Mylod but the pic is too small to verify.
and fyi, Nikolaj will be back in Belfast next week
That looks like the same spot from one of the deleted scenes where Tywin was fishing and Pycelle came to talk with him. Fun scene.
Burn them all Cersei
That’s surprising! I wasn’t expecting any filming in Croatia this year (after HBO seemed to confirm that they won’t shoot in Croatia this year). With that said: this makes me REALLY happy! Girona was great, and it could easily pass on as King’s Landing but there are places in Dubrovnik that are really recognizable for both Unsullied and Sullied viewers, and I love continuity 😀
Wow, that was certainly unexpected. I guess the producers lied back in August, but why? It can’t be a change of mind, it wouldn’t have been possible with so little time to arrange the shooting.
Offtopic:
I’m thinking of going to El Chorrillo this weekend to watch the shooting and take some photos, if possible. But I have some doubts:
-Will they really start filming the first day (10th) or they usually use the first day in a new city to set up the place, make rehearsals, etc?
-At what time do they normally film the big chunk of the scenes?
-Do we know if they are going to close the access to the area and hire security guards? I think that is their normal procedure, like in Castillo de Zafra, but in Girona or Peñíscola every set and actor seems so accesible to the fans… Yeah, I know, I know, they filmed there in the cities, and Almería is going to be more like Zafra, but still…
Sue? Someone?
Source? I’d be interested in reading more about these instances.
And I would think that they wouldn’t go back to Croatia simply to film a scene of Cersei looking out at the water. There must be more to filming there than what has been captured with pics.
I was speaking more in terms of ceremonial fashion not only security. For the former queen to be alone (ok with 1 kg) waiting for her daughter (and next in line for IT) to come back is kinda “low budget”
Wow, looks like she will have Sir Robert Strong by her side at all times.
Shoot, I would too! Who is gonna mess with you with that guy by your side?
One more thing. How can I receive an e-mail alerting me every time WOTW makes a new post? I think I’ve read people around here talking about this topic…
High Sparrow,
There’s two options at the bottom of the reply box. Mark the option to notify you about new posts by email when you make a new comment and you should be good.
Nice 🙂
Cersei is most likely expecting Mycella with no mourning clothes and all. But she could also be secretly fleeing to Casterly Rock at the end of the season (just before the pyromancers burn the city?).
This dress, Arya’s two dresses, Dany’s dorhraki outfit and couple of other costumes from the guys and supporting women are what we have seen so far from the new designer I think. They fit to what we have seen previously but nothing great either (expect maybe Arya’s “swimming dress” that we did not see that close). The fashion could suffer in this season with the new designer and with Margaery in sacks, Dany in dorhraki stuff, Cersei mourning again and Sansa in even more winter wear than before and no new weddings (probably the first season without one even if Talissa’s wedding dress is not something you would really count). But Gilly should get a make-over hopefully.
Greatjon of Slumber,
I meant after the ship came back, after the funeral, after some time passed and her hair grew back. That was the last spot where she saw her alive. She might go there to reminisce, and to brood over her bloody revenge.
Not likely, but I don’t think she’s waiting for the ship. Maybe this is some day before the ship returns.
Thomas Sandstone,
Thank you. 🙂
Mafthespartian,
Macedonia is a region in northern Greece, and it’s also the name of a country north of Greece, east of Albania. I think the rumours were about filming in the Republic of Macedonia.
High Sparrow,
You’re welcome.
Chinoiserie,
Please let this be true, I mean, the part about Cersei leaving the city after ordering the burning!
Chinoiserie,
Cersei leaving would be nice, but going by sea would not be wise, not safe.
. Would she ever abandon Tommen though? Or he’s dead too?
I’ve quite literally just scrolled from top to bottom and read every comment…… 😀
While this doesn’t look anything like an escape scene, if/when KL is burning, it’s largely because Tommen is dead. Wouldn’t expect it to happen beforehand.
You missed this one.
The lack of mourning clothes points to Cersei watching Myrcella’s ship return home. And when she sees that it’s only Jaime she loses it.
Chinoiserie,
From my viewpoint, the costuming that I have seen so far is right up on par with the old type of costuming…I am glad of that. I didn’t want a radical change, I mean the show won Emmy’s for costume design. I will be happy if the new designer is capable of sticking with the direction it has gone from the beginning. For my money, that is pretty dang good!!
Fu Manchu,
low budget? Isn’t it a bit early to be making that sort of judgment call? Just sayin’.
High Sparrow,
They lied because of tourists and people who like to leak stuff. People did not expect this, so there will be less people to spoil the fun.
Now they are more free.
Also Dubrovnik is less busy in October. So they are free to film in more locations than they would be in summer when Dubrovnik is full of tourists.
K Noelle,
Agreed, she probably just went ahead of everyone else with Ser Robert. I don’t think anyone could begrudge for wanting to see her daughter.
Does anyone know if Toby Sebastian is coming back for next season? If he isn’t, Trystane was either retaken by his father or he’s dead.
Good to see Lena back. Can’t wait to see S6!
Fu Manchu,
Who needs kingsguards when you have got Robert strong.lol
Is that another wig or has Lena finally agreed to dye her hair?
thremnir,
Macedonia was always bull. I had heard way back from a very highly placed source, NO on Macedonia, and that there would either be no or very little Croatia filming.
Love the lion detail on the top of the arm.
Green Dragon,
They didn’t lie, I don’t think. They probably did not intend to film in Croatia at all, but then needed to film that one scene there. So they did.
There’s no point in lying about this particular thing. As you can see, the press finds out very easily, with Game of Thrones production flying in, being spotted in the airport, at the hotel, and at the location.
Sue the Fury,
Filming is scheduled months in advance. They can not just decide to start filming in some country as they want.
They deliberately wanted to leave a shooting in Dubrovnik as secret. And it is not only one scene.
Also all exterior scenes of the King’s Landing will still be filmed in Dubrovnik ( still shoots of the City from different angles )..
Oh my god I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the first picture ? , the rightful Queen of the seven kingdoms is back ❤❤❤ !! , I don’t know but I remember in the books she covered her head ? , what about Sophie Turner? I didn’t saw any pictures of her in the last few months ! , she haven’t start shooting yet ? Or have she already shooted and finished ?
Sue the Fury,
Also yes in these days press finds out very easily everything. But they did not find out about this until filming started.
So they are right now mostly free of press, paparazzi and curious people. And they can shoot in peace.
That was really what they wanted.
so am i the only one who hates this hair lol? its awful imo. i wish they had just stuck with the short hair from last season.
aurane waters,
I like it.
aurane waters,
Have you ever had a positive thought about anything?
This is no new dress by the new costume designer. Lena also wore this dress during a few episodes in season 3 and the first episode of season 4.
But it is great to see her again!
Luka Nieto,
have you ever straight up replied on what i’m taking about instead of just asking about my temperament? because its pretty annoying
aurane waters,
I… like… the hair?
aurane waters,
I think it looks fine and maybe in this point in the show, enough time has past so her hair has grown somewhat.
Sue the Fury,
Maybe the guys in Macedonia mixed it up with some other show. I know that 12 Monkeys were shot there (standing in for Chechnya). Off topic, but that’s a surprisingly solid show. I have high hopes for The Expanse as well.
Just to reiterate my love for Dubrovnik, I’m so happy they’re back even if it’s brief! I went there during Season 4 airing and took the tour, stood at that very spot where Lena is, it’s a gorgeous city!!! 🙂
LENA LENA LENA LENA <3
Oh and I guess now we'll be able to wonder about GOT timeline based on the growth of Cersei's hair hahah!
SlayerNina,
How is this a spoiler? Its her standing on a dock with Robert Strong.
As anyone thought of the idea that Qyburn could keep Myrcella alive like he did Robert Strong? Zombified Myrcella anyone? Dorne is not that far on boat from Kings Landing.
Oh now you’ve done it. I am completely distracted by the mention of that brilliant film. If I had my druthers, I would recommend Terry Gilliam filming all BR/Bran/CotF sequences in S6 as well as the kingsmoot. 🙂
yeah, where is she?
Although the film was quite good, I was actually talking about the new TV show. The first season was a pleasant surprise, so now I’m waiting to see if they can follow it up.
Mr Fixit,
*doh!*
My fleeting attempt to stay relevant has been foiled again! I shall take your words as a recommendation to watch it, since I obviously missed it.
Give it a chance. I didn’t expect much because it’s SyFy channel after all, and their BSG glory days are long gone. But, it’s a promising little show that has way too few viewers unfortunately. If things don’t change for the better, I fear Season 2 may be its last.
But as I said, I was pleasantly surprised and will gladly continue to watch.
She’s beautiful. I love Cersei.
Based on her dress it looks like she is awaiting Myrcella, more than mourning her.
And why does everyone think the city will burn this season? Based on everything, I think it will be more likely next season.
Mr Fixit,
Shall do. Hopefully, it doesn’t pale in comparison to its brilliant source material, like Minority Report pales in comparison to its source material (film and short story).
It’s not as… psychedelic is the word I guess… as the movie. So, a fan of Philip K. Dick, I take it? I must say, Blade Runner is one of those rare gems where the adaptation is better than the original. And while we’re on topic of promising new shows, and Dick as well, have you seen Amazon’s pilot of The Man in the High Castle? Haven’t read the novel, but the episode was very good (and beautifully shot too!)
Mr Fixit,
PK Dick is the ‘D’ of my ABCDEs of Sci-Fi! (Asimov-Bradbury-Clarke-Dick-Ellison). BladeRunner was amazing and surpassed the original short story in scope (as only Ridley Scott could do!) but no one can beat the title of that short story!!! (Do androids dream of electric sheep?)
The Man in the High Castle contains some of the best history-warping themes ever conceived. Can’t wait to see how they are going to attack the reversed “book within the book” concept. As an amazon prime guy, I’ll get on it and find time to watch it! Thx again!
It is amazing how PKD’s concepts have become so marketable almost 35 years after his death.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Does it end with Z for Zelazney?
I never really extended the list past ‘E’, although I did read Z’s Damnation Alley as a kid, after seeing that awful movie, followed by Lord of Light and Changeling. 🙂
I do hope Cersei starts wearing a shawl or scarf or head covering when she’s mourning Myrcella. It’s pretty clear that she’s waiting, watching for the ship. She doesn’t know Myrcella is dead, but when she sees only Jaime on the boat she will know and she will break down from grief. It’s going to be really sad.
https://instagram.com/p/8lNAw_i0ud/
It looks like she’s “rushing” down the steps, so my bet is that she have seen the ship with Jaime and Myrcella.
I know many people don’t like Cersei, I myself hated her in the books, but I’ve come to love her on the show. I bet this scene moment will be sad/emotional.
Didn’t she send Jaime on a “secret” mission to snatch Myrcella back? If so, there wouldn’t be a whole welcoming party. At least, I wouldn’t think so if it was supposed to be done on the down low.
Her hair is a bit longer then when we last saw her but that is a minor detail that only the obsessed (like myself) notice.
O.. the FrankenMountain is alive.
I don’t want to judge the show too harshly after one episode, but I was really ‘meh’ on the pilot. The ideas and concepts are interesting (due to the book, I assume), but the execution and, particularly, the acting, is pretty bland.
SlayerNina,
You’re not watching – remember?
ooh! Ooooooh.
I think Myrcella dying is going to send her off the edge. She had her glorious mane cut (for vain people hair is a big deal), she lost the respect of her underlings as now every glance she catches she will assume is wrought with judgment and gossip…she lost her first, beloved son, and now she has lost (assuming she died, yes) her only daughter, her sweet innocent daughter who she managed to shield from the ugliness of human nature long enough to ensure she wouldn’t end up as calculating and jaded as she is…I predict Kings Landing in flames, especially if Jamie has finally let go of her romantically for good.
I thought Lord of Light was great, my favorite is Nine Princes in Amber or more commonly called “The Amber Series”. So very good.
Lena looks so striking with the short hairstyle. And Tyrion was right, she does have lovely cheekbones. 🙂
I think Cersei is waiting for Myrcella and Jaime’s return to KL, but we’ll see.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I doubt that Trystane continues to Kings Landing. And if anyone would be in danger of swimming with fishes, it would be Jaime and Bronn: they probably are badly outnumbered!
(My bet is that we will see none of this, though.)
Hodor’s Bastard,
Sad but true trivia: JK Rowling pushed to have Gilliam direct the Harry Potter films! One can only wonder what magic he might have crafted relative to those awful costumed readings that Columbus made!
Of course, given Gilliams’ propensity to miss deadlines by years, the final film would have had to include Harry dealing with male menopause…..
Flora Linden,
One thing that all three actors playing Tywin’s children have in common are those strong cheekbones.
Why do I keep forgetting that it was most-likely a Dorne-based ship that sailed north with J & B & T & the recently snuffed M? I don’t understand how that voyage could continue. Drives me crazy thinking about it.
Indeed, sad but true. Oh, what Don Quixote could have been as well!
Well, we do not know if it does. We do not know the exact parallelisms between the timelines, but if Jaime was setting out from Dorne around the time that Cersei was doing her walk, then it appears that several weeks (probably a couple of months) have passed given Cersei’s hair length. That would be consistent with Jaime getting back much later than initially planned, and thus not on the same ship.
Of course, Cersei’s hair might have tapped the growth that Gilly’s son has forgotten to do, so maybe we cannot count on Cersei’s hair meaning much.
Hodor’s Bastard,
Actually, thought of Gilliam and Martin working together should be doubly comical. They’d probably give each other bad ideas about how to delay finishing things!!!
Wimsey,
True, the HBO Lannister siblings are insanely magnificent-looking, clever, and loyal to their house. Genetics (or the gods) blessed Tywin Lannister with three powerful secret weapons. How he effed up such a great advantage drives me crazy thinking about it.
The same way people always do: he took it for granted that those advantages would always be working to his advantage!
Wimsey,
Btw, when you get a chance, you should view the latest Alt-Shift-X offering regarding WWs. Surprisingly, it covers many of the 3rd Act possibilities (War/Peace/Long Night/AA/Ice & Fire/Wall History, etc) that you and I and many “Others” here have touched upon in various speculative threads. It is one of his most enjoyable offerings yet.
costin,
yep.
Speaking of whom, did you hear that Terry Gilliam has expressed interest in adapting Time Bandits into a TV series? Given adequate funding and good writing, that could have a good long run: They have all of history (plus the future) to play with!
Peter Dinklage as Randall? Could we be so lucky?
Sorry, OT, but I just found out and am excited by the idea.
JennTheStarkarian,
“I think Myrcella dying is going to send her off the edge. She had her glorious mane cut (for vain people hair is a big deal), she lost the respect of her underlings as now every glance she catches she will assume is wrought with judgment and gossip…she lost her first, beloved son, and now she has lost (assuming she died, yes) her only daughter, her sweet innocent daughter who she managed to shield from the ugliness of human nature long enough to ensure she wouldn’t end up as calculating and jaded as she is…I predict Kings Landing in flames, especially if Jamie has finally let go of her romantically for good.”
This is why people think that KL will burn! I love seeing Cercei standing there. It looks like she has to be waiting for Myrcella & Jamie to come home. Doubt she wouldn’t be with alot of people, she trusts no one now and it was secret.
She’s going to lose her mind. There’s no way she could’ve known. In ADWD, the Martells are talking about how Cercei has planned Trystane’s death to happen in the woods on his way to KL and make it seem as if Tyrion killed him. But it doesn’t look like that is happening on the show.
That makes me think something happens at sea. That’s why Cercei’s hair is a little longer, a little more time went by. Maybe this is where the Pirate we saw cast a month or 2 ago comes in? I don’t think Trystane makes it either. She’ll fall apart. And have Dorne wanting to go to war.
Maybe this is where Tyene comes in? We just heard she’s back in S6. She goes to KL to avenge her father instead of Arienne Martell in the books?
Maybe this is also what Jamie goes up the steps of the Sept on his horse for as well? His one last act for his sweet sister, to order the disbanding of the Faith Militant again?
Or simply his allegiance to King Tommen & Queen Margery as their Kingsguard, and so that he also ensures the support of the Tyrells, which the Lannisters need desperately. Unless they want uprisings and starvation in the streets.
Whatever it is it will be sad and satisfying to behold Cercei unravelling. Jamie doesn’t like her anymore, he isn’t happy with what he knows about her, and he can’t possibly do the things she wants him to do. All he really wants is to travel the countryside as a knight anyway. However, history will probably have to repeat itself, he will be forced to kill her as she goes mad.
It’s going to be so much fun to watch. I agree with the person who said they hated Cercei in the books, but not as much so on the show. I completely agree, Lena Heady is incredible. I hope she has an emotional breakdown before going Mad King on King’s Landing with her indestructable Mountain. My husband will be so happy The Mountain made it. Now lets hope The Hound is still alive…
Fun! I would be interested in seeing what TG has in mind. Perhaps a silly, twisted and slightly dark take on historical events using a child’s imagination (with dwarves!). I wonder if each episode would be a one-off adventure or would there be an over-arching plot/chase? In any case, Time Bandits, Brazil, Fisher King, and 12 Monkeys will never cease to amaze me.
Hodor’s Bastard,
I had the chance to spend some time with Terry during the filming of “Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas”. Wonderful, talented, very funny man. Love all he does. It’s great reading you guys bring up his name, how incredible would it be if they could get him to direct a few episodes!? GOT is so huge now they could! Let’s hope!
What an experience! That’s another film that has its own bizarre production history. TG can’t get away from it. Were you a lounge lizard? 🙂 Crazy film but I’ll never forgive them for not including “Sympathy for the Devil” in the soundtrack (which HST’s book used extensively)! I may need a TG filmfest this weekend. Thx!
It would be amazing to get him to do an episode.
Ashara,
It looks like she is waiting for Myrcella and Jaime to come (I would expect this, early in the season) but the hair and dress show that some time has passed since the walk of shame. Difficult to judge when this is taking place. It may be something completely different. But yes, if this happens it will be a great emotional scene.
Also about Jaime, he will come back (at some point) but what will his position be? His sister is facing a trial because of their relationship. Will he be in danger too? After the walk of shame the Lannisters and the Tyrells have a common enemy. It’s not only Cersei that will want revenge. So, yes I expect the alliance between them to get stronger. As for Cersei’s trial, the Tyrells will want her to win it if they want to stay in power through Margery’s marriage.
Also, about Dorne. Again, I don’t think that Cersei will be the only one to want revenge. Myrcella was Jaime’s daughter too. Don’t forget what Jaime said to Bronn about Tyrion murdering his father.
Hodor’s Bastard,
“What an experience! That’s another film that has its own bizarre production history. TG can’t get away from it. Were you a lounge lizard? 🙂 Crazy film but I’ll never forgive them for not including “Sympathy for the Devil” in the soundtrack (which HST’s book used extensively)! I may need a TG filmfest this weekend. Thx! ”
Most definitely. I wasn’t in this film, I was dating one of the stars who was playing my good friend, Marco’s, father who has been presumed dead for 40 years now.
My good friend was brought in to teach Benicio about his father, since Oscar Acosta wasn’t alive, or around. He did a brilliant job. Even looked like Oscar 65 lbs later… I was there as moral support for everyone. Mainly him.
Terry had to come get me one day to tell me that I need to watch what my boyfriend was doing and report back immediately. I looked at B’s arms, and of course, he had been burning his wrists with cigars because Oscar’s son, Marco, told him that his dad used to do that. I had to rush him to the ER within minutes of checking his arms, his veins were black almost to his armpits & lymph nodes.
Terry screamed at him for the rest of the day. Then later, he told me that this is why he hired B. These are the extents he will go to in order to know a character. How much he loves actors and what they can do. But, it did quickly become a boy’s club! It was a ton of fun. I agree completely, Sympathy should’ve been in there!
I am writing a book about that whole part of my life. This movie was a long experience. We did everything, laughed like crazy and got the life scared out of me by Hunter & his many guns & antics more times than I can count. It was also one of the best movie premieres of all time.
HST kept standing up during the movie, scremaing things like, “Hey! Look! It’s Cheech & Chong in North Vegas!!” We’d pull him back down to his seat. I miss that crazy f*er.
MG,
“Also about Jaime, he will come back (at some point) but what will his position be? His sister is facing a trial because of their relationship. Will he be in danger too? After the walk of shame the Lannisters and the Tyrells have a common enemy. It’s not only Cersei that will want revenge. So, yes I expect the alliance between them to get stronger. As for Cersei’s trial, the Tyrells will want her to win it if they want to stay in power through Margery’s marriage.
Also, about Dorne. Again, I don’t think that Cersei will be the only one to want revenge. Myrcella was Jaime’s daughter too. Don’t forget what Jaime said to Bronn about Tyrion murdering his father”
That’s right, he did tell Bronn that he could never murder his own blood, as Tyrion had didn’t he? She is on trial, though, not for her relationship with Jamie, but with Lancel Lannister. If they only knew about Jamie. Remember in ADWD Jamie gets the letter from Cercei, begging him to rescue her and saying how she loves & needs him and he burns the letter? He never really says why he won’t go to her, it seems like jealousy over her many lovers. I don’t see him helping her out of this situation.
Yes, she’s Jamie’s daughter too. But,he can’t let people know that fact. Is Cercei going to go crazy enough to tell everyone about it? Maybe, but he can’t. He may instead have to remind her that telling anyone would make Tommen no Baratheon. It would take his right to the Throne. I think Dorne will do that for them though.
Jamie, IMO, will be the knight he is and steer clear of Cercei. He’s grown so much since he pushed Bran out the window.
Ashara,
Yes Jaime has grown since episode one but also in the show Jaime told Bronn that he will kill Tyrion next time he sees him, because he murdered his father (season 5, episode 4). So, the revenge feelings are there… Maybe he will feel the same about the death of his daughter.
Also in the show Cersei is on trial because of her relationship with Jaime. Just watch again the confession scene. She admitted her relationship with Lancel and was punished (walk of shame). She didn’t admit the relationship with Jaime, so the High Sparrow told her that she has to face a trial for the remaining charges.
Ashara,
The High Sparrow asked about the rumors and she denied them telling him that they are lies spread by Stannis. After that he told her that these are terrible charges and if her testimony (denial) is truthful her trial will prove it.
MG,
“The High Sparrow asked about the rumors and she denied them telling him that they are lies spread by Stannis. After that he told her that these are terrible charges and if her testimony (denial) is truthful her trial will prove it.”
You are right. I’m watching episode 4 right now. What a great episode. I just got lost in it for a bit. I’ve been listening to ADWD also, so my show & book knowledge is melding together.
I see Bronn asking alot of questions, making Jamie think. He’s letting Jamie know that he and other people know his secret. I think we’re seeing Jamie cover his love for Tyrion and pass it off to Bronn that he would “split Tyrion in two” if he ever saw him again. Bronn’s response sort of says that he doesn’t believe that either. I think his revenge feelings will be spurred more toward Dorne over the death of Myrcella. He got to feel like a father for a few seconds and she accepted him so sweetly.
Cercei would never do anything to threaten Tommen’s Throne. I don’t think she will admit the incest with Jamie, she can’t. She does tell the High Sparrow that Stannis’ claims of incest were only to keep her sons from their throne. He does tell her that her denials will have to be proven in trial, you’re right. I mis-wrote. I meant that she was jailed because of Lancel. But, you could say the trial is over Jamie, or Stannis’ accusations.
If she admitted it, that would mean Tommen isn’t a Baratheon. They can’t even allow it to go to a trial.
Is that why Jamie brings the Kingsguard to the steps of the Sept? To finally put an end to the Faith Militant before they can find anything that would threaten Tommen because he finally feels like a father & protector? And free Queen Margery? If Loras dies in there, the Tyrells will end the food supply, starving Kings Landing. The Queen of Thrones basically tells Cercei as much. How does Jamie deal with her? She’s bringing the kingdom down on their heads.
The conversation Cercei has with Littlefinger sort of tells you what she is thinking before her imprisonment. Shes so smug, it’s fabulous. She thought she had it all secured, The North w/ the Boltons, and wasn’t worried about the situation with the Tyrells, she thought she had them. The only problem they had with Dorne was Oberyn. She thought she was fine there too.
She was going to swoop in and take out the loser of Stannis’ war w/ the Boltons. She promised Littlefinger Warden of the North by royal decree before she got imprisioned. She didn’t get to do that…that’s not good either. More problems.
There’s a great little speech in there by the High Sparrow before he jails Cercei, where he talks about what he will find when the Tyrells are stripped of all their finery, their lives knocked down, asking what he will find when he strips Cercei’s finery and shows her true heart for all to see.
If they don’t shut the Faith down, she will be convicted whether she admits it or not, you can tell from his speech. Lancel told the High Sparrow everything. He will have to testify. So will alot of other people.
She empowered the damn Faith again, but it doesn’t seem that she’ll be able to shut them down without alot of help. Instead of worrying about a trial at all, that’s what Jamie needs to do if he does anything for her, is just shut down the Faith. Whatever it takes. If she goes to trial, it’ll be the end of the Lannisters.
Thanks for putting me onto that!
That was pretty well reasoned. I’m not sure I agree with all of it, but I cannot fault the logic or the details. For the most part, I think that he has hit one nail hugely on the head that we’ve discussed: 1) it is not going to be about “defeating” the Evil Others: it’s going to be about understanding them; and, 2) Azor Ahai was and will be the right person (or people) in the right place at the right time.
Only one thing was omitted: R’hllor. This is Ice and Fire. R’hllor seems to be moving people to fight the White Walkers, but not for humanity’s sake. What if part of what is making the White Walkers active again has to do with R’hllor? What if part of the ancient agreement had something to do with R’hllor, and that now is being broken?
All of that stated, what I really liked is how the author identified the key traits of Jon that have evolved through the series: his ability to see more than one side of a conflict, his willingness to look past tradition and self in order to maximize the number of people who benefit. However, he omits one other character that this describes perfectly: Daeny. And, to lesser degrees, this has been very important for both Tyrion and Arya. He (the author) posits a conclusion that will require empathy and the ability to compromise, and GRRM’s 4 biggest protagonists all display those traits.
But, seriously, I think that this is on the right track, and that any fan who really wants to prognosticate on the future should check that out. I will be shocked if this does not turn out to be much more correct than incorrect.
Ashara,
Of course Cersei is not going to admit it. She has already denied the charges about her relationship with Jaime and about her children, that’s why she is facing a trial (most probably by combat). The high Sparrow wants to see if her denial is true or not and the trial will decide this. If she wins her trial then everything is ok and Tommen will still be the king and Margeary the queen. If she loses the trial then Tommen stops being the king and Margery stops being the queen and everyone involved will be in trouble. That’s why I believe that the Tyrells and the Lannisters will work together (at least for sometime) next season.
Btw the confession scene was my favorite from the final episode. Both Lena Headey and Jonathan Pryce were fantastic, great acting!
Except that, Cersei being Cersei, she will be trying her utmost to make sure that Margaery gets convicted while at the same time trying to pretend that she is not AND leaning on the Tyrells with that “if my son is de-crowned, then so is your daughter.” One of Cersei’s big problems is that she believes that she is clever and subtle, when in fact she’s rather stupid and very obvious. (This is less true of Show!Cersei than of Book!Cersei, but given that Book!Cersei will be setting the agenda, there is only so much more clever and subtle Show!Cersei can be.)
Wimsey,
That’s why I wrote “at least for sometime”. Also, in my opinion the Tyrells are not saints either… They play the game as well.
MG,
Being a saint and playing the game are not exclusive! The saints play as viciously as anybody.
I suspect empathy and compromise will be part of the final solution but after what cost? I have this silly scenario in my head of Westeros in ultimate devastation (cities and IT destroyed) with the focus on R, V, & D with their riders (D & ? & ?) flanked by great knights with valyrian swords facing several WWs riding wighted horses/giant spiders. But rather than a final battle, Sam runs between the lines shouting “Why can’t we just get along?” with some clarifying info regarding some rationale/origins behind their differences, including the following:
1) Misunderstood Stark and NW history with WWs
2) Real reasons why the Wall is there
3) CotF as manipulators and/or peacemakers
4) Deity misinterpretations/shenanigans/illusions
[Btw, don’t you think the WWs will be absolutely aghast when they see a dragon?? Just the pause that the NK took when Jon used Valyrian steel on one of his deputies should be magnified when Dany comes riding into focus in northern Westeros.]
Then they go their separate ways…with the final scene being LS finding a recently deceased Arya, and making her last depraved decision to bring her daughter back…(yeah, I went there) 🙂
All in all, I believe it is the heavily consequential misinterpretation of history and prophesy (a maester conspiracy possibly exposed via Bran and Sam) that GRRM may exploit as the series winds down.
Cheers!
I would love it if the forces of reason prevailed and peace, however improbable, broke out in Westeros at the end. I’ll bet that Valyrian steel makes awesome plowshares! A real truce based on understanding rather than prejudice could usher in a whole new era: an end to the Dark Ages and the beginning of a Renaissance.
This is the sort of ultimate denouement that few would expect from bloody-minded George, but we ought to bear in mind that he was a child of the generation of American boys who were drafted and sent to fight in a stupid, pointless war in Vietnam. He opposed the war and managed to qualify for Conscientious Objector status – not an easy thing in those days when millions of young men were trying to find any possible way out of getting drafted.
GRRM may be ruthless about how he terminates his characters’ arcs, but I don’t think that he really believes that war is glorious, deep down. And referring to his apparent bad guys as the Others does seem to carry considerable potential symbolic weight, in terms of how humans arbitrarily pigeonhole and believe the worst about anyone perceived as Other/Different/Not Us and use that as an excuse for violence.
::sings ‘Kumbaya’ to the tune of the GoT main title theme while she waits for Wimsey to jump in and ask what that has to do with the Big Five’s personal challenges::
But are the Others really evil or just misunderstood?
Although I believe the fictional violence that GRRM spews forth is quite therapeutic for him, it is another example of an individual’s projected online/virtual persona being much different than their actual personality and ideals. He seems like quite a jolly, agreeable fellow.