Things are getting interesting now with Game of Thrones filming! A variety of actors have turned up in Belfast, and today, thanks to our sources, we have some spoilers to share with you all. Don’t worry- if you’re spoiler-phobic, they’ll be well-marked and tucked far below the cut!
As for the most recent sightings in Belfast, one lucky fan has encountered several cast members, posing for photos with Lena Headey, Indira Varma and Rosabell Laurenti Sellers over the past few days alone. He also spotted Gemma Whelan and Alfie Allen in the city yesteryday.
LENA FUCKING HEADEY, #GameofThrones #Belfast #got pic.twitter.com/fjqyWSImaZ
— Chris Creaner (@ChrisKunt) September 7, 2016
Walking to a job interview and bump into these beauties, all bizz? #GameOfThrones #Belfast pic.twitter.com/aZXR5dvI09
— Chris Creaner (@ChrisKunt) September 6, 2016
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Just walked past Alfie Allen and Gemma Whelan ?
— Chris Creaner (@ChrisKunt) September 7, 2016
Another fan has just encountered Pilou Asbæk in Belfast, so we have Euron Greyjoy on the scene.
Pilou Asbæk is in Belfast at the moment. Thnks to our frnds at https://t.co/WFQyTPwfCB for the pic #GameOfThrones pic.twitter.com/u7K41a6jnK
— Wiki of Thrones (@WikiOfThrones) September 7, 2016
Speaking of Euron Greyjoy, we have some SEASON 7 SPOILERS for our readers today! Consider yourself warned- now is when you should look away if you want to stay Unsullied and unaware of future events.
Watchers on the Wall has learned that GoT filming this week centered around Yara and Theon Greyjoy engaging in battle at sea. It appears that their uncle Euron is catching up to the siblings and will capture one of them.
It looks like a big year is in the works for Euron- we hear that he and Queen Cersei are teaming up in season 7. We’ve also heard that Euron will take out at least one of the Sand Snakes.
It makes sense that Euron would turn to Cersei for an alliance, since Daenerys is no longer in Meereen and probably not interested in his cock-and-quickly-built-ships marriage proposal. They’re a dangerous duo, and I’m excited to see what Cersei and Euron cook up in season 7.
Season 7 Hype train … now leaving the station!!!
Yee- HAW !!
Theooonn
Awesome news on Euron Greyjoy’s role next season. Was really hoping he’d be a bigger threat rather than just a small obstacle for Dany.
which leaves Jon and Sansa teaming up with Dany
Holy Cow!!!!!
Euron fucking Greyjoy for the win, I can’t wait to see more of him in season 7 😀
we only had like two scenes of him in season 6 ? way to little 😀
I just hope they won’t spend more than half of the season with Dany against Euron/Cersei. When the hell is she taking KL so she can finally fight against the WW?
At least if he sees the needing of having to team up with Cersei, perhaps that’s because he’s not that confident because he doesn’t have that object fom the books?
. I hope so because I hate that idea.
also killing one of the sand snakes ?
I think his popularity might rise in season 7 XD
EURON EURON!!!
Are we gonna get the dying lesbian trope here because I want Yara to live more than I do Theon. Dx I don’t think Euron is planning to keep his niece or nephew alive judging by the terribly written line about murdering them last season.
Nice ..
I hope that guy got the job he is going for ..
Now Euron I believe this is after he had made alliance with cersei and dany landed in westeros..
We have seen in the production video ships and naval battle plans around dorne.
And I believe the theories like him attacking midway of dany’s journey will not happen..
And if he does catch up one hostage…iam afraid for the on because I believe he will be taking the role of Aeron in the winds chapter and we will see theon reek torture part 2 ..
Oh my GOD! The HYPE ! Why it begins so early?!
only one Sand Snake? Damn.
Holy +*#|!!!! Excellent spoilers!!! Love it!!
So great!! Finally things get interesting, Euron will take down some of Dany’s alliances and is teaming up (marrying?) Cersei so they can be a murderous,evil, stupid (build me 1000 ships!)) duo.!!!
Jaime run to Brienne…no place for you there!!
Jeeze. I hope Theon . . .
thorne garnet,
HaHaHa!!
Oh daaamn, Euron captures one of the Greyjoy siblings. Considering Theon’s already been captured and tortured, my money is on Yara becoming Euron’s ‘guest’, which is a terrifying prospect. 🙁 But if it’s Theon, jeez, can he survive another stint as a prisoner? Yikes.
LOL on a Sand Snake being taken out by Euron, and HELLS YEAH on him teaming up with Mad Cersei. I can’t wait to watch all that crazy together on screen.
Loving this latest report. Thank you, Sue!!!
Finalllly! Some real news, awesome!
Theon and Yara fighting Euron. Does this mean they get separated from Dany?(Dany and Tyrion don’t seem to be involveed but Ellaria and the Sand Snakes are?)
Euron capturing one of them, this sounds terrible. God I hope Theon isn’t in for more torture. I wonder if D&D will adapt parts of “the forsaken” here.
Euron teaming up with Cersei was expected.
It will be interesting to see what implications a Cersei/Euron alliance have for her relationship with Jaime. That look he gave her at the end of last season said a lot.
thorne garnet,
“at least”
There’s hope yet
Awesome news! I loved Euron in S6. I guess he captures Theon? Can’t wait for more!
I hope not. Especially because they already have a guy playing Aeron and he’s perfect.
Beggars can’t be choosers 🙂
Matthew The Dragon knight,
Hahaha! I was just about to say the same thing 😀
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Moon boy and Euron for all i know!! :-p
At least Jaime might finally leave Cersei now. About damn time.
Hadn’t thought about it before you mentioned, Theon being tortured again would be terrible to watch 🙁
If Pilou Asbæk is going to get a lot more screentime in S7, I hope his acting chops improve quickly, because he sure didn’t impress me in S6.
More troubling to me is the news that he’s going to take either Yara or Theon captive. Reports of the new Euron chapter from TWoW that GRRM read at a con last year suggested that the Damphair was subjected to some sort of horrific torture aboard the Silence. I don’t think that I could stand seeing Theon take his place. That boy has suffered enough!
Tywin of the Hill,
While the show did cast aeron he was not such a big character or had any impact… For show viewers he is just a priest who baptized euron.
If the show is going to do something like aeron chapter from winds ..then it makes more sense they do that with theon than aeron from show.
Roocat,
😉
Oh, hell yes. My only regret here is that Miguel Sapochnik isn’t directing that sea battle.
Whoa, that was some awesome news! Hopefully it won’t be Theon. I think he’s been through enough. Well, many here predicted Dany would meet up with Euron at sea and looks like that is the plan….Cersei and him working in tandem? Scary thought, BUT one less sand snake? How can I be THAT upset?….LMAO.
You better kill all the Sand Snakes, Euron! Any less than that and you’re fired!
Stace,
The Stark won’t be teaming up with anyone. They’ve got bigger problems with LF and the dead coming…
I doubt they’ll be bothered with the south, until the end of the season.
Holy fuck these really are big spoilers.I’m so exited.Apparently they are really going for a sea battle I was so skeptical of that.Euron and Cersei,the tv won’t be able to contain the crazy lol.Now I don’t want Yara to be tortured but for the love of god I can’t stand Theon going through more so I hope it’s not him.And it does look like one of them is taking Aeron’s place and whatever Euron does with him in the books
This cersei and euron alliance actually is major spoiler for what’s to come in TWOW I believe ..
It actually proves the tall white shadow in aeron chapter is actually cersei ..
It also gives us that YG will not be having that big of a role at all and will be dead in the TWOW..why because unlike YG euron is been developed more dangerous enemy for dany
Dany is YMBQ and wiop bring down cersei means that cersei and euron will overcome YG in TWOW ..
And when dany comes she will face this duo ..
And him killing a sandsnake also makes me certain he will be fighting dorne along with YG ..
Many may disagree with the above but I think thats how its going to happen in the books..I hope we get some info on TWoW before Christmas
Let’s just agree to disagree.
Kargaryen,
Will she actually take King’s Landing though? I’m not convinced she ever will. I think their version of the House of the Undying hinted at her abandoning that idea and leaving King’s Landing vacant and empty.
Pretty much exactly what I expected. Cersei and Euron are the last “big bads” before we get to the Others next season. Absolutely makes sense they would team up.
::grumbles at self:: I hate it when I forget to hit the Notify Me box before I hit Post, and then have to post again even though I’m done with what I had to say.
Stace,
I don’t think so. Why would Jon and by extension Sansa help Dany (at least at this stage)? Now, when Jon confirms for himself she has dragons, that’s a different story as he’ll know they can aid in his true concern, fighting the WW. I expect season 7 for Jon to focus on sending re-enforcements to the wall, preparing for the fight with the WW, dealing with Littlefinger and maybe some tension with Sansa. I’m sure he’ll keep an eye on the happenings of the South, but it’s not much of a concern to be honest. They made him King in the North, meaning a free and independent kingdom.
Stories of a sea battle reaching Winterfell will be met with intrigue but I don’t see why they’d be met with Jon immediately deciding to spring into action and get involved in the fight.
Cersei and Euron will be the perfect storm of batshit crazy
A Cersei and Euron alliance was a common prediction following season 6. It’s about the only thing that makes sense for each of them to strengthen their position that is weak individually. Still, realistically even their combined forces shouldn’t be able to withstand Daenerys’.
Perhaps Daenerys helping the Greyjoys begins with her sending Yara & Theon with more ships and men in the direction of the Iron Islands to not only overthrow Euron but to provide a force on that front/coast. If one of them is captured I can see it being Yara which forces Theon to fully regain his manhood (in spirit) by beating Euron himself in her rescue.
I truly don’t believe Euron will last that long, as in past season seven, and I really don’t want him to.
Is that the creepy GOT fan (Chris Creaner) who is always stalking these actors in Belfast and ends up taking pictures with them. There were so many photos of him last year with all the actors!
http://watchersonthewall.com/the-day-is-bright-and-full-of-filming-game-of-thrones-returns-to-saintfield/
Clob,
Be assured he will be drogon’s food in episode 6 or 7
Clearly the tweets between Gemma and Lena were a rouse. I can see right through the “nice meeting you at the airport” tweets. They had scenes together no doubt.
SerNoName,
Please don’t call people names. These are just fans who are Belfast locals. It’s pretty easy to run into the actors there if you’re a fan.
Nancy Chilton,
I don’t think it was a ruse. There’s no indication from these spoilers that they’ve actually had a scene together yet.
What I said doesn’t totally go against what you said. I didn’t mention the state she’ll find the city when she actually conquers it. I believe it will be all ashes, and with Winter there, she’ll abandom the city to fight against the WW, fight I mentioned in my previous post. I believe they have to have her there, seeing the city, and realizing what really matters isn’t there. It’s symbolic and much more strong than her going from another place right to the North.
Unless Euron has a magic device that allows him to neutralize dragons, plus ALOT more ground troops (Dany has an army of at least 100k-200k+ depending on who’s counting), then his 1,000 ships and Cersei’s army (what, 10,000 soldiers?) won’t be able to even come close to being able to stand again what Dany has with her.
To me, the dragons could take on Cersei and whatever troops she has still loyal to her all by themselves to sack the city (let’s be honest, none are truly “loyal” to Cersei now, so they would all run away at the sight of Dany’s army, much less 3 giant dragons).
Even if there are no dragons in the picture, the Tyrell army could also sack the city by themselves as well, if what we were told about their numbers in the books and earlier episodes is even close to being accurate. Then you add in a fresh Dornish army, ALL dothraki hordes combined together, Unsullied, etc. and she’s completely unstoppable against any force left in Westeros that isn’t an undead army.
It’s just going to take something monumentally crazy to make Cersei and Euron taking down or withstanding Dany believable, by land or sea.
Rosabell is adorable! And those spoilers sound cool! I hope Theon won’t be the one captured – he’s been through enough. Can’t wait to see some sea battles! We’ve never really seen those in the show yet…
Well we know from WOTW that she makes it to KL, since she’s filming in the Dragonpit.
In the show, Lannisters have the biggest army. I think it was mentioned that Tyrell’s have the second biggest one. If the Lannisters doesn’t follow her, she has stormlands,riverlands and westerlands still under her.
Dany doesn’t have Tyrell army yet, she has the ships to come with her army to Westeros….she has to be able to combine her army with the Tyrell and Dorne, when she comes to Westeros.
So until Dany can gather everyone, it’s only the Dothraki and her dragons.. as you read in the spoilers, Euron is able to take some of the most important people on Dany’s ships.
Sean C.,
I agree with that. I can only see Euron teaming up with Cersei if he
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Ser Bob Smith,
I don’t think Cersei and Euron stand a chance against Dany. But their teaming up could at least provide SOME resistance. And can certainly take out a character or two. Without Euron, Cersei would have been mowed down without Dany’s forces breaking a sweat.
I wish I was in Belfast and bumping into them all ? I don’t think Danny will go to KL I think she’ll head straight to the north and help kill the WW
Starky,
Including the vale the North has about 30k men. 30k men can’t defeat the army of dead. They are gonna have to go south and get more men.
Has anyone considered the scorched earth strategy? Maybe Cersei burns down KL, teams with Euron and goes all guerrilla warfare against Dany’s massive army defeating them bit by bit until the North comes and foils the resistance. Seems to me the North and Dany need to bind in some way. And that might be through ending the Cersei/Euron guerrilla warfare conflict.
Sean C.,
Iam not sure that’s a good idea but I do agree that they need to make Euron and Cersei worthy opponents because as things stand. Daeny is too strong for them. Also D&D made a comment about what could possibly go wrong for Dany.
orange,
Agreed.
Makes most sense because Jon knows true enemy lies North. Even Sansa wouldn’t want to march South because what’s the point of puttin her there and we have this rivalry between them. Also LF, Jon will try to intergrate wildlings to the North.
I think they’ll focus on him being King or trying to and facing dishonorable and selfish people. Probably meaning Sansa and LF next season. While Dany will fight wars with Cersei and Euron in the South and then meeting to fight White Walkers together.
Question for everyone.
Do you think Jon and Dany will meet next season or season 8?
I agree. Any opposition that Cersei and Euron provide can only be momentary. So long as Dany has her 3 dragons, nobody can give her meaningful opposition. That’s why I still wonder if
will come into play.
A Cersei + Euron alliance was to be expected. I wonder what they’ll get up to.
A raid of the Reach? Oldtown?
When it was confirmed that we would have two final, shortened seasons, I figured that Jon and Daenerys would meet either right at the end of season seven or at the beginning of season eight. I still think that, and will probably continue to do so until we get more information on what the character arcs are for this season. I think they do want to draw out Cersei’s final fall (and why not when you have an actress as good as Lena playing the part) so I see her dying mid-late season (probably somewhere around episode five or six). What we really need (in terms of predicting when Jon and Daenerys will meet) is information on who is working with who – is someone on Team Daenerys heading north, or someone from Team Jon heading south to try and gather allies for their respective wars? Will someone – like Sam – turn up at Daenerys’s HQ and tell her about the threat in the north?
As for the remainder of Jon’s season, I think it will be about solidifying the Stark hold on the north and uniting those he does have on his team for the forthcoming threat from the White Walkers. He also has recruits coming to him – the Brotherhood without Banners – who believe in his war. Jon needs to truly convince the doubters who, like LF, refuse to believe what is coming for them. He needs to make some sort of peace with Sansa by the end of the season, I think also. And then there is the probability that Bran will be in Winterfell by the end of the season with news that will screw with Jon’s mind and distract him from his war effort.
Geralt of Rivia,
They’ll meet in the season finale I think. Season 7 will mark the final struggle for the Iron Throne.
Geralt of Rivia,
I’m going to be optimistic and say they will meet in the finale of season 7 just because I want them too lol
Wow! Euron and Cersei. A match made in hell for sure!
I hope one of the dragons doesn’t die.
I’m wondering if Jaime will be so horrified with the massacre at the Sept + the Euron alliance of doom that he repeats the history with Aerys, kills Cersei to save the city and becomes the Valonqar.
Great scoop!
And although I’m disappointed to be seeing so much of “Euwrong” next season, I’ve made my peace with it. And jeez I hope my ears don’t bleed at any scene involving him and a Sandsnake.
I agree with the others that Cersei and Eurons only chance is to join forces, but even then their forces are no match for Dany, on land or sea. And when you add 3 dragons to the mix, then they have zero chance of causing any lasting damage to team Dany.
So I’m left wondering how does Eurons forces manage to fight past hundreds of ships, various armies and 3 dragons to get close enough to capture Yara? My guess is on Yara as Theon will be compelled to save her, as she tried to save him.
So my guess is he must have some trump card up his sleeve. Could be dragonbinder… Whether he has it already or gets it in Oldtown. Because those dragons will not let any harm come even close to Dany.
And why doesn’t he just kill Yara already, like he promised?
Cersei and Euron, huh. Chaos all around. Pass the wine!
It’s pretty obvious that this guy is not just ‘running’ into these actors. He has taken a picture with each and every actor on the show. He looked familiar to me because Watchers on the Wall posted lots of his pictures last year. Here he is with Lena Headey and Emilia Clarke last year.
http://winteriscoming.net/2015/11/03/game-of-thrones-cast-in-belfast-round-up-plus-new-greyjoy-rumor/
Or are you saying that this ONE guy in Belfast keeps randomly bumping into ALL the GOT actors again and again on his way to work?!
Must be one lucky guy! Lets see how many more pictures he gets from these actors when he accidentally runs across them.
It looks like Peter Dinklage is also in Belfast. So Emilia is the only one not involved. Curious.
I for one am quite pleased that this guy bumps into actors. I would have a hard time not looking for them if I lived in Belfast.
As for this spoiler news. Wow! Great news really. I’m already extremely excited. I do hope that this year will give a lot more scenes and lines with Theon. As much as I think Yara is a great character I would love to Theon continuing his arc instead of just ending up a tortured captive once again. Oh, man. June is a long, long way from here.
Do we know where Emilia is?
Euron coming in to save the season!!!!
https://media.giphy.com/media/NudlVy6NXsXVm/giphy.gif
I hope he doesn’t kidnap Yara though.
So what should we call the Euron/Cersei ship? Ceron? Eursei? Let me just hop on board!
Large cranes with lights at the Riverrun set! Filming underway this week https://twitter.com/irishthrones/status/773943917318471681
singedbylife,
Yeah I can’t hate on him. If I were in Belfast, I’d be trolling the streets to take selfies with the cast lmao.
Maggie,
No but thats why we see Varys in Dorn last season!!!
Were is Jaqen ??
ghost of winterfell,
While I wholeheartedly agree with you in regards to her three dragons being Daenerys’s best in her arsenal, I believe we should be cautious with the assumption that mere human efforts are meaningless against them, that only magic could possibly defeat or neutralise them…
Dragons have been killed by very simple, human means before (be it during the Storming of the Dragonpit -5 dead dragons- or the Battle of the Gullet -two dead dragons, including one drowned and harpooned-)
So Euron could put up an extremely decent fight, no matter what magical support he may or may not possess. He’ll end up losing and dying anyway, of course 😉 , but the casualties on Daenerys’s side may be much more devastating than we instinctively assume…
As for one of the Greyjoys and a Sand Snake being taken hostage, oh my ! That should be intense.
Could the non-kidnapped Greyjoy (be it Theon or Yara) and / or the remaining Sand Snakes betray Daenerys in order to get their relatives back from Euron’s clutches ? Could one of the hostages switch side in captivity ?
All in all, very exciting news !
That’s actually Banbridge, Linen Mill Studios, where they are filming the scenes with the boats for the Greyjoy scenes. Not everything out there is Riverrun.
As for Dinklage, he’s been in town for several days.
http://watchersonthewall.com/dinklage-arrives-belfast-season-7-filming/
Good to get some confirmation on the Euron/Cersei alliance, which many of us speculated would happen.
Since Daenerys is coming with a huge force, I wonder if her strategy will be to land part of the forces in Dorne, and part in the Stormlands/Dragonstone region. I think the Euron-Cersei team will fight against Dorne +Tyrells+ part of Daenerys’ forces in the south. Perhaps her other remaining force will then come from the Stormlands region and squeeze E-C by the end of the season. I just desperately hope that Cersei dies by the end of this season. 😀 No more Cersei in the last season!
What happens if they never meet at all? If they do meet, where will they meet? I simply can’t see Daenerys going to Winterfell.
Rhaenys Stark,
Interesting. I guess we’ll hopefully soon have a bit more of an idea of who is filming there.
Unlikely. GRRM has confirmed that there will be a second Dance of Dragons between Aegon and Daenerys. Aegon has to still be around for that to happen.
More likely is that Cersei’s role is being combined with whoever the pale shadow shadow is . The show is all about fusing roles with main characters.
I’m already planning a Cersei/Euron wedding in my head. Jaime can be the flower girl. They’ll serve Sand Snakes at the wedding feast! Bronn will provide the music.
Interesting that he’s only fighting Theon and Yara. I guess they somehow get separated from Dany and the dragons (maybe there’s a storm). Anyway, I’m excited.
Sue the Fury,
Oh okay thanks for clarifying Sue!
dragonbringer,
Or Dany fights against Young Griff while Cersei and Euron take KL. And then she fights Cersei and Euron. It seems like a mess either way (the timelines).
They’ll meet. It was foreshadowed and with this marriage thing. Who else than Jon. Maybe Jaime could be potential husband for her but Jon seems more likely. Also both of them are needed for this war, groomed for it and destiny.
Where will be their meeting? Depends when will Daeny heard about them and march North. She has to march there. If White Walkers push them South. Depends how far they’ll go because White Walkers will beat them until they have dragons and even then so it will be battle. I think Riverlands could be good guess.
Where will be final battle? Winterfell, Wall, Trident. Many people believe it will be Trident and Dany dreamt about it.
ghost of winterfell,
Or maybe she is there but people haven’t spotted her yet
Euron captures one of the Greyjoys? *sigh* if there are any creaking doors…
I’m still hoping that Tyrion will lead a smaller force to infiltrate Casterly Rock via the drainage system that he knows so well, to lay a trap for Cersei when she flees King’s Landing after blowing up the rest of the wildfire reserves. I would rather see him come into his own than merely be part of Dany’s entourage all season.
Sorry – foreigner here. Not familiar with that expression. What does it mean?
BunBunStark,
Would be culmination of a great arc for Theon. I think the show is setting Theon up as the unlikely hero. Thus far, he still seems to be broken and his sister still seems to be the alpha in their little pack. If Yara is captured, it forces Theon to become the leader he doesn’t realize he can be.
It would be rather neat symmetry to have the final battle of the War for the Dawn take place at the Ruby Ford, wouldn’t it?
Or perhaps at the Twins, with dragons falling out of the sky and smashing up the Freys’ castles and bridge, eventually to be replaced by a magnificent new bridge that is not controlled by any one house and offers free passage for all.
I would love to see that happen. It would be clever and in tradition with the show / story turning what we expect upside down.
On the show, as in the books, the Lannisters do or did have the largest individual army under their name. However, House Tyrell when they have the backing of their banner houses in the Reach are able to field the largest army and a fleet as large or larger than any other. In other words, even without Daenerys’ involvement, at this point in the story with diminished numbers, loss of Tywin and weak support, the Lannisters would have a difficult time facing a banded together South.
The question remains as to where allegiances will fall for all. Even within the Lannister army itself, Cersei just blew up Kevan and appears to be on a path to lose Jaime. On the other side it doesn’t seem likely that any within the Reach or Dorne would side with Cersei, especially with their lord houses aiding Daenerys. The show’s Stormlands seems ripe for picking as well. This is why in the earlier speculation threads I suggested that she may have an easier time gaining a foothold and support than expected; that she would diplomatically and systematically garner support of the houses while her greatest and perhaps only obstacle might be a combined force of Cersei and Euron.
There aren’t enough episodes left to bog things down. Stuff has to happen pretty quickly. I can see a couple episodes where Cersei and/or Euron do some things that appear to give them the upper hand only for it to eventually backfire.
Pilouuuuuuuu! ❤
Well thank heavens for some good news!
Please don’t just make
In the books, Aeron Damphair has recurring nightmares about a creaking door, coupled with hints that Euron may have sexually abused him as a child.
singedbylife,
In the book of the recent chapter, it’s revealed that Euron has sexually abuse his other younger brother Aeron (the one who baptized Euron in season 6). Before the chapters, Aeron gave hints of the creaking hinge door, indicating this to be the case. However, since now the news spoiled Euron has captured one of the Greyjoy, he may subject Yara or Theon to sexual abuse and/or even tie them to the prow, which what happened to Aeron.
Firannion,
Ah! thank you !!!
Harranhal Creep,
Aw my God that’s awful…Please no Dreadfort style torture again 🙁
Oh, me too! I’m very much rooting for Theon’s full redemption, even if he was a total prat at the outset of the story. How ironic if the guy who got castrated ends up the sole surviving Greyjoy heir.
Sue, I hope your scouts are keeping their eyes peeled for the actress who played the sea captain’s daughter! She might just turn up (though most likely in the final season) with a wee Theon Jr. in tow, well-acclimated to shipboard life and ready to be legitimized.
I’m thrilled to hear that we will indeed be getting some kind of sea battle in Season 7. Ship-to-ship combat is certain to be a logistical nightmare and expensive as hell – even if it isn’t actually filmed on the water. But it’s one of the few types of battles that we’ve yet to see on the show so far (Blackwater featured Stannis’s navy, of course, but it was more of an amphibious assault). With more time and money available to shoot such a sequence this year, it could wind up being something truly spectacular!
The news that at least one of the Sand Snakes will be taking out by Euron is sure to be greeted with enthusiasm by many. Still as someone who doesn’t find the show’s take on Oberyn’s daughters to be nearly as odious as some (balanced by the fact that I have absolutely no affection for their book counterparts), I hope she acquits herself well before falling. Obviously, the Sand Snakes are easy punching bags for the audience now – the delight at Olenna’s verbal takedown of them in the season finale is proof of that. But I do hope that when the time comes to sweep them off the board, it’s not played purely for comedy. Let them die with weapons in hand, at least.
Cersei teaming up with Euron makes sense, as many have speculated. Whether the alliance is purely military or sealed with a promise of marriage remains uncertain. But either way, I suspect Jaime will not be happy about it …
The report that one of the Greyjoys siblings will fall into Euron’s clutches is certainly ominous, though far from unexpected – even before this news, I felt confident predicting that one of them might fall this year (probably not both). I don’t see Theon going through yet another period of extended torture – that would be retreading old ground. I could, however, see him fighting to save his sister from such a fate – perhaps giving his life in the process.
Jenny,
She was in London as of yesterday.
You heard it here first – Davos and Lyanna Mormont will win over the Night’s King and Team MegaNorth will fix this shiznit.
I’m torn regarding the ever-present speculation about the
On the other hand, I remain completely unconvinced that it’s really going to be all that important, even in the novels.
All that’s required to recruit him is for someone to get up-close-and-personal enough to yank that dragonglass shard out of his heart, in my belief – like the little boy in The Snow Queen. A suit of Valyrian steel armor would come in very handy for that maneuver!
ACME,
The thing is, Dany has not one, but all three dragons under her control apparently, which none of the earlier Targaryens did. So the only way for Euron to truly oppose her is to wrestle control of one of her dragons. Otherwise, I really don’t see how he can oppose her for any length of time.
Jared,
So the object of which you speak is sort of the Elder Wand of Westeros?
Of course Dani has to split her fleet in two, west and east coast of Westeros must be secured.
I guess Euron will be attacking Reach, Oldtown….since Dany is allied with Olenna, she will send part of the Iron Fleet to fight Euron.
By that time we will see uncle Euro in full glory: he marries Cersei for temporal power, but still has an eye on Dany. He needs Dany because he wants to become THE STORM!!!
Euron has more of a bone to pick with his niece and nephew, not necessarily Dany at this point. His goal is the Iron Throne, and he intended to do that via marriage; but, that ship has sailed, and he can’t beat Dany on his own. Makes sense that his next option is Cersai…with her restored fleet and his rickety ships that Yara left him. Question is whether he thinks Cersai can HOLD the iron throne even if their alliance defeats Dany. The man is mad, he can think anything.
Cersai, Euron and Qyburn, three lunatics on the Iron Throne. What did King’s Landing do to deserve this?
It was so obvious Euron would become a thorn in the side of Dany’s fleet… why else introduce him this late in the game? This is how you prevent her from just wiping out Cersei in one big battle. When she finally gets to King’s Landing, her forces will have been cut in half, at least.
Geralt of Rivia,
What makes you think Sansa is dishonorable? She is not gonna betray Jon, she is gonna kill LF
Rhaenys Stark,
I hope it doesn’t make it into the show, with whatever character, but as I was reading the “new” Aeron chapter, which I found rather disappointing, one of my main thoughts and reasons for disappointment was
Re: Euron as valonqar, well, he is a little brother.
Firannion,
I’d never thought of it that way before. But in the sense that it’s an infamous ancient relic that the bad guy seems convinced will bring him ultimate victory, but doesn’t actually understand the way it works or the true power it holds (if indeed, it holds any power at all), then I suppose … yes?
In the sense that a character becoming the master of said object will ultimately play a significant role in resolving the final conflict, then … no. Or rather, I have no idea. When it comes to the precise mechanics of how that particular object is supposed to work, I’m a little fuzzy on the details (though I think George wants it that way). Admittedly, by that point in the story, I was reading all of Victarion’s chapters with glazed eyes, praying for the end.
ghost of winterfell,
Well then Dany is leaving her crew behind,hopping on a dragon and checking out the new King in the North *wink wink* lol
Maggie,
Someone saw her this morning in London U.U
Jared,
Flayed Potatoes,
Assuming that he is only fighting Theon & Yara, as you say, it could be that T&Y were only transporting troops. …Could be they dropped troops off and then headed back home to fight Euron – fight him with support from some of Dany’s troops? Dany did promise them help with killing an uncle or two.
I don’t know why Euron would attack Dany’s fleet, they vastly outnumber him.
I meant in the sense that ‘mastery’ of said object of purported power is not quite so straightforward a matter as those who desire it seem to believe. It’s not enough just to seize it or have it in hand, or even to kill the prior owner.
And I’m right there with you on that lunkhead Victarion. Fully expecting the Dusky Woman to betray him very shortly, as instructed by Euron. How can he be so dense as not to see that coming? But I did enjoy getting to know Moqorro a bit through his PoV: intriguing character, that.
Sean C.,
Firannion,
In that case, then yes, I agree with your analogy. 🙂
I actually really liked Moqorro as well (I remember back before Season 5, many of us thought that Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje might be playing a version of the character). I’d be happy to see him link up with Dany and her inner circle, perhaps in something vaguely analogous to the Kinvara role from Season 6. But Victarion can’t die soon enough for my taste. He’s my least favorite POV character that George has ever employed, and it’s not particularly close.
Geralt of Rivia,
Looks like we’re all thinking along the same lines here, Jon and Dany meeting at the end of S7 or beginning of S8. I’d guess S7 will bring the story of the Houses fighting each other for the IT largely to a close and by the end of it Jon and gang will have consolidated the top half (roughly) of Westeros into one group and Dany will do the same from the south upwards, because she will remember to always support the bottom! Team Bonkers (Euron and Cersei) will get caught between them and eventually destroyed, but not before doing some serious damage; it’d be really dull if they didn’t.
Thought that just struck me: if Theon and Yara go back towards the Iron Islands, for whatever reason, and Yara is captured by Euron, Theon could possibly turn to Team Stark for help rescuing his sister and/or fighting Euron? Maybe the Northern forces get drawn into the fighting this way while Dany battles Cersei further south? E&C might eventually be trapped somewhere in the middle with Jon’s gang (plus any of Dany’s who have ended up with them) blocking their way north and Dany and the rest of her lot advancing from the south. I’m a bit vague on the geography of Westeros but I can envisage my plan on one of those battle strategy plan thingies with giant chess pieces the show has from time to time, so I reckon it’s a goer! 😀
Anon,
Unless there’s a storm at sea and a decent amount of ships get wrecked (and people die) before landing, or a storm separates Dany from Theon and Yara. Also, most of Dany’s ships are probably meant to transport people, and she might not be anticipating an attack from Euron so soon (given the fact that he still needs to build a lot of ships). A Cersei/Euron alliance could also come as a surprise to her and the show can easily write in a huge Lannister fleet if they need to. That way, they can justify a Euron attack. It’s also possible that Euron might start raiding The Reach before Dany even sets foot in Westeros, so she’d be forced to make some rash decisions and split her troops.
Fanfic time — no idea what location it will be, but I could see it going something like this at the end of S7: Jon is in a battle/skirmish (likely against a human foe) where the outcome looks grim and people are dying all around him. He’s knocked silly, but in his daze as he’s getting back up- he sees a blurry vision of Dany in her dress walking towards him in front of a field of fire and the image is slowly becoming more clear. He still won’t know who she is at the point (but we will), but he’ll see that she just saved their asses.
That kills a few birds with one stone: 1) the writers get to have the “strong female lead saving the man” trend continue on. 2) They get to have a more artsy reveal that Dany simply landing on the roof of a pyramid with a thud and awkwardly walking into a room. 3) And we get more “OMG JON IS REALLY REALLY ABOUT TO DI-BUT OH NO NOT REALLY” endings that we’ve come to enjoy.
I’m sure there’s some other poetic imagery they would throw in there dealing with book prophecies and so forth.
(P.S. I know none of this stupidity will actually happen like this and I’m hopeful they’ll do something much better and more dramatic than what my brain can concoct)
Daks,
I actually love that line
Trident, I hope. The Wall should be down before the end. It’s artificial, and going forward, there should be no Wall.
I can see this happening with Tyrion as well, pursuing Cersei to Casterly Rock. Perhaps Rhaegal will accompany him. But Tyrion’s not just part of Daenerys’ entourage, he is her Hand, so I do expect them to remain together a majority of the time.
Why would Jon help Dany?
1. He’s King now
2. He has to warn the south and petition the crown for help with Walkers (whether Dany is queen or not)
3. He’ll be relieved that it’s Dany he has to approach and not Cersai.
..Can’t think of any others.
Sansa, on the other hand, if she still wants to be Queen may see Dany as competition. I know Littlefinger will.
“The dreams were even worse the second time. He saw the longships of the Ironborn adrift and burning on a boiling blood-red sea. He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles. Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire.”
Hee!
https://twitter.com/ThorBjornsson_/status/773978233423458305
I think it would be rather formulaic and predictable if Yara were to die and Theon ended up ruling the Iron Islands.
As far as I’m concerned his whole redemption arc has been about putting aside ego and ambition and recognising what’s really important (e.g. family, loyalty, etc). I think that both Theon and Yara making it to the end of the show in their current roles would be a far more worthy ending to Theon’s story.
For one thing, Theon can’t continue the Greyjoy line. Yara’s death would effectively be the death of House Greyjoy. Although, that would fit with the whole “break the wheel”, destruction of all the Great Houses, theme that continued last season (Martells – gone; Tyrells – gone; Baratheons – gone; Tullys – gone – Edmure will never rule again).
However, I recognise that both characters have massive potential for a dramatic and/or shocking death that the producers can utilize in upping the death count and breaking hearts, so I won’t be surprised if either or both of them die.
Perhaps Yara being taken prisoner would be an opportunity for Theon to discover “the real Theon Greyjoy” again and come to his sister’s rescue the way she came to his.
But I think sacrificing Yara’s character just to further Theon’s redemption arc would be rather cheap.
When you say “we hear that Euron does such and such” – on a rating of 1 to 10 with 10 being solid confirmation, about how likely do you think this info is to be true?
Daks,
It would be a step backwards for Theon to go back in captivity.. Yara gets taken, Theon must take charge and continue his journey.. I could see him getting the Salt Crown by the end, even though it will be more of a burden to him now. So he gets what he wanted from childhood but he did terrible things and had to live through everything and feels nothing but guilt
Pigeon,
Wow I didn’t know David Benioff is so tall xD
I feel like if euron captures someone, it would be yara
I think she’s the more valuable of the two and more of a threat to him.
Anon,
I can’t say I’m an expert on medieval naval tactics, but such a vast fleet surely can’t be particularly manoeuvrable, especially when loaded down with soldiers, horses, equipment etc.
Perhaps it’s an easy target for a smaller and more mobile fleet.
Flayed Potatoes,
Good points at the top.
…in 504, the small counsel was discussing the expense of rebuilding the “royal fleet”. So, they already have a restored fleet. I don’t know if it’s manned by Lannisters only, or a coalition of kingdoms.
It’s all a matter of timing. How fast can Euron regroup and reach Cersai in order to use the “Royal Fleet”, and where Dany is on that timeline. I think that last we saw her, she was in Westerosi waters. But, that must have been several months after Theon & Yara arrived, which is, in turn, several months after they stole the ships… so, say 8 months total. Euron can’t build a fleet in that time, he can only rely on Cersai.
Euron might capture Theon, and then Theon will take the role of Aeron Damphair from the beginning of WoW. But I think he’ll capture Yara and she’s going to die eventually. Then Theon will have to face Euron himself in order to save the honor of house Greyjoy.
I hope that one of the Sand Snakes which is going to be killed by Euron will be Obara. I want to see Euron making her bawling.
Clob,
Perhaps Daenerys helping the Greyjoys begins with her sending Yara & Theon with more ships and men in the direction of the Iron Islands to not only overthrow Euron but to provide a force on that front/coast. If one of them is captured I can see it being Yara which forces Theon to fully regain his manhood (in spirit) by beating Euron himself in her rescue.
I agree, Yara has the support to be Queen of the Iron Islands and it would make sense for Euron to capture her. I expect Dany did send Dornish ships to help fulfill her promise to take back the Iron Islands.
I would not be at all surprised if we have a big sea battle trending toward some obvious outcome, only to have one monster of a storm come up and spin everybody off in different directions. Remember that it was Mother Nature who saved Elizabethan England from the Spanish Armada, not the hastily knighted pirate Sir Francis Drake and his ragtag navy. GRRM is well aware of this historical anecdote. I predict that Dany’s fleet will be seriously weakened by forces that are stronger even than dragons, just to even up the odds a bit and draw out the suspense. It would also be lovely if Euron, after bragging that ‘I am the storm,’ got a serious ego-bruising from the real thing.
You’re right, they may not be chiefly warships. I noticed in the last scene of 610, that Yara/Theon’s ship had only – what looked like – Ironborn on it. They had swords on their hips. There are other ships with Ironborn at the rudder, but loaded with Dothraki, Unsullied and horses. Who knows, it may be a mix.
Re: the dragons’ involvement in any sea battles.
It would be very simple for the producers to make the dragons AWOL at the time of any attack on Dany’s fleet.
After all, there is nowhere for them to land or feed on the ocean.
And Viserion and Rhaegal have only recently been released from captivity. It’d be no surprise if they went ranging, look for land and things to hunt while Daenerys and co are busy sailing for weeks on end.
So we can’t just dismiss an attack on Daenerys’ fleet as out of the question because of the dragons.
I keel thinking it would be more interesting if while they are fighting Euron and The Queen they are ambushed by the whites. So all forces have to turn attention and battles and feuds are left standing while they all struggle to defeat the Whites. This would give Littlefinger the chaos he loves and could create a more interesting twist if Cersi gets the “credit” as the sitting Queen. Could add an interesting twist in the aftermath especially if the North and Dani take most of the damage due to the largest force. Im thinking bittersweet ending/ not what we would expect
Jared,
I read somewhere about a horn similar to the dragon horn but it worked on krakens, what if Euron raises Krakens from the sea to match dany’s dragons? Definitely not what they are going to do but it is fun to speculate.
First of all, we see Lannnister forces concentrated in the Stormlands (Cape Wrath) and the Broken Arm of Dorne. The later is interesting. Cersey will hardly have time to send her army to Dorne by land (and if yes, it would be send to Sunspear). Therefore, I assume that the Lannister forces will be brought to the Broken Arm of Dorne by sea (to put it otherwise, they will be brought by Euron) and take strategically important Ghost Hill (?). It’s a reasonable guess that a Sandsnake will be taken captive there and not during the naval battle (we haven’t seen Sandsnakes with Daeny, when she sailed out). And a it has to happen on screen, my bold prediction is that the Ghost Hill (?)/Sandsnake capturing sequence will be filmed at Almodóvar del Río.
However, the position of ships (or rather fleets) is the most interesting. One ship (fleet) is located by the coast of the Cape Wrath near Weeping Tower (?) – let’s call it Fleet#1. The second ship (Fleet#2) is turning into the Sea of Dorne and the third one (Fleet#3) can be seen in the Narrow Sea further north. It’s also worth to notice that ships on the tokens indicating Fleet#1 and Fleet#2 are of different shapes and that they sort of oppose each other. So, who is who?
Attributing all three fleets to Daneny makes little sense. Fleet#1 can hardly be Daeny’s as well: this fleet is near the shore, and if she lands, Cersey and Euron are doomed. They have to prevent her coming ashore; therefore, my guess is that Fleet#1 is Euron blocking the way into the Sea of Dorne. From where he is he can sail out into the Narrow Sea and attack Daeny (Fleet#2) as well. Considering that my bold prediction is that Euron’s fleet/Weeping Tower surroundings might be filmed at San Juan de Gaztelugatxe. Fleet#3 is also intriguing. It might be Daeny’s vanguard or Euron’s reserve (say, Cersey’s royal fleet). The later looks more probable, because in such case Daeny would be surrounded.
The outcome of the battle has been clear since Tyrion said to slavers “Thank you for the Armada”: Daeny’s Armada will be decimated and scattered the same way as the Spanish Armada in 1688. The survivors will be landing all along the cost (that’s may be the reason why they are going to film on two different beaches (Itzurun and Zumaia, if I am right)). The Dothraki will curse the night they bent a knee to Daeny – they might even bow to Cersey out of rage etc. The biggest question is where Daeny goes and how Theon and Yara will be separated. When we saw them last they were on the same ship, so, maybe Yara will send Theon to command the rearguard and he will manage to save at least part of the ships, including Daeny’s flagship? Maybe they will reach Kings Landing and manage to take it? However, I would want Daeny to be carried North, meat Jon, win the Battle for the Dawn, and finish Cersey afterwards.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
I’m saying this only because I watched the episode recently: The dragons dive under the water and come up with fish in their jaws. They toss the fish into the air, blast it with fire, then catch and swallow it before it falls.
…carry on.
ghost of winterfell,
You are very right.
However, Daenerys’s control over her dragons was demonstrated in virtually perfect conditions : the Battle of Meereen took place on a calm, quiet sea with relatively reasonable captains in charge of the slavers’ fleet.
Were her confrontation with Euron to take place during a storm, with all the confusion and added danger such a natural event represents, it could alter Daenerys’s ability to organise her dragons’ efforts. Furthermore, Euron is “the maddest of them all” : he is liable to go for broke with rather unpredictable manoeuvres and a complete disregard for his safety or his crew’s. While it may kill him (he will die, let’s face it… ^^ Hopefully below Storm’s End, come on !), he could cause quite a lot of damage on his way out.
Also, on a more symbolic note, it would make some sense for “fire made flesh” to be at least somewhat affected by water. ^^
So while I do not necessarily think any of the dragons will perish during this battle, they may not protect the armada as effectively as one might assume. Best bet in my opinion : most of the Dothrakis will not make it. It would be poetic for the people who believes the Narrow Sea to be poisonous not to survive its crossing.
Anon,
I understand your point but neither Jon nor any of the Northerners know Daenerys personally and whatever little they may be aware of would not necessarily give them any reason to consider her an improvement on the current Queen : she is a Targaryen (the last Targaryen who sat on the throne killed two Starks and his son caused the death of a third), her army is comprised of Dothraki screamers (renowned for their pillaging and raping ways) and Ironborn (led by the same Ironborn who betrayed Robb and took over Winterfell), and she has three dragons.
For the North not to be at least slightly wary of her would be downright foolish.
Furthermore, the Northern lords have decided, once again, to declare their region’s independence. Meanwhile Daenerys, to the best of our understanding, intends to rule over all the Seven Kingdoms which would spell the North’s loss of its newly proclaimed autonomy. Would the Northern nobility be immediately enthusiastic about bending the knee ?
Yessss! Pls kill the sand snakes. Euron, you just won my heart. I name you my champion
Get them Euron. All of those Targaeryn supporting scum
I wish that we hadn’t already seen all three Sand Snakes in the scene where they’re being insulted by Olenna. It would’ve been interesting to have one or two wild cards left skulking around King’s Landing after they killed Trystane. If it’s vengeance for their father’s death that they want most, you’d think that they’d be laying for Cersei or the Mountain or both. Might’ve been fun to see one slip up behind Cersei, only to have Euron slip up behind her.
Also, ‘taking out’ usually implies killing or maiming, not capture. The piece is entirely removed from the gameboard. At least one Sand Snake dies this season.
I do like your notion that many of the Dothraki might turn against Dany after being spilled into the ‘poison water’ and crawling back up onshore, horseless and barely alive! Perhaps the survivors will intermarry with the locals and teach them Morris dancing ; )
ACME,
I do agree: the dragons will not be able to fly properly in the storm – they will have to plane to the calmer skies, and who knows, where they end? I can also imagine that Euron and Cersey will manage to lure them to the Dragonpit (with the help of some secret knowledge from the Citadel) and chain them. Daeny will then have to rescue them in the finale.
And regarding the North’s reaction to Daeny, again you right: the Norther lords won’t be willing to join the fray in the South, but Jon may be more willing to help his aunt especially, if she promises him dragons. And yes, I am still thinking that after being decimated by Euron Daeny may be washed out on the Norther shores, after which Jon will be facing a problem of how to win the battle for the dawn with Cersey stabbing the North in the back.
Firannion,
Thanks for clarification. I just thought that this Sandsnake may be merged with the certain
from the book. Euron will definitely kill her and based on the time of this spoiler appearance I assume he will kill/sacrifice her right before the battle or even during that. But first he has to capture her somehow, because Sandsnakes are in Dorne, and not with Daeny. And In Production teaser shows us Lannister/Euron land forces in Dorne. So two pieces fit together quite nicely: Euron sails to the Sea of Dorne all arround Dorne to prevent Daeny’s Landing; Sandsankes notice him; Obara or even all the three of them lead their forces to secure the northern coast of Dorne, but being ever quarreling silly bastard girls willing to play at war they lose the battle and at least one of them end up in the hands of Euron.
The show hasn’t done a proper naval battle before (I don’t count the Battles of Blackwater and Meereen, because you don’t have two opposing fleets fighting each other; just one fleet being decimated by wildfire or dragonfire respectively) so it will be interesting to see how this is portrayed on screen. I would have loved to see Miguel Sapochnik direct it (Hardhome and Battle of the Bastards were both stunning) but it will be interesting to see one of the other directors’ takes on this battle – I wonder which of them will get it in their episode?
I am also looking forward to seeing more of Pilou – I loved him in A War and Borgen, two Danish pieces, and was delighted to see him appear on GoT. It will be interesting to see how far Euron is willing to go in his pursuit of power. As for the Greyjoy he captures, I think Yara makes a bit more sense – she can still produce heirs, while Theon is no longer able to. And Yara was the one that the Ironborn came close to choosing before Euron turned up. As much as I like her, though, I really can’t stand the thought of Theon being tortured AGAIN. Please, no!!! Even by the standards of Westerosi karma, I think Theon has suffered more than enough for his betrayal of Robb Stark.
Alba Stark,
Yara may discover, sadly, that she really isn’t up for anything, because there’s only one reason Euron would ‘capture’ instead of ‘kill’ her.
I can totally see Theon trying to rescue her, the way she did for him, and I can see one of them dying in the attempt. I think it will be Yara. I like her, but I think she’s toast.
I think Captain Flint will come save the day and join Danny’s side
Aiden Gillen with a fan in Dublin.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKHC28Mjl7D/
All they need is Randyll Tarly and it’s a party
I might tend to agree with you – I hope he doesn’t try torturing Theon, or something like that, even though he started to verbally torture him as soon as they came across each other at the Kingsmoot. I’m glad somebody else thought that scene after Euron was revived and crowned was lacking. I hated it, all of it, from the stupid twig thing plopped on his head that was the saddest excuse for a crown I’ve ever seen, to the stupid line, even his posture annoyed me in that scene. I was waiting for him to twirl his mustache. I thought Euron was going to be cool and deadly, sinister in a contained, dare I say, sophisticated way. That’s not how he came across. Of course, I don’t know, maybe that’s how he was written.
But the news that there is a sea battle between he and Dany and that he joins with Cersei, that’s good. She’ll straighten him out, or die trying. She’s not going to put up with buffoonery in someone she holds close.
GUYS I HAVE SOMETHING BIG.
IF, AND IF, this is not fake, GoT will shoot f***ing close to my home.
http://www.12minutos.com/57cecd0d70d02/la-septima-temporada-de-juego-de-tronos-rodara-en-la-cueva-de-la-matea-y-en-el-castillo-de-mula.html
I’m already picturing me dressed as a dothraki, a dornish or a cock merchant, I wouldn’t care…
Just please Sue. Please tell me it’s legit. Please…
Probably fake though. They say something about a dragon egg. 🙁
Fuck it’s a troll website. Nevermind. Back to bed to cry all night…
Anon,
Sure, that was plausible when they were smaller, lighter and had a wingspan of about 5 feet.
Drogon must weigh a few tonnes now with a wingspan of probably 30ft. It’d be realms of pure fantasy (even more so than we’re in already) to depict a creature of that size plunging in and out of an ocean with ease.
Have you seen a goose or a swan trying to take off on water? Imagine that with a creature probably weighing as much as an average size car. Oh, and think back to when Drogon took off from Daznak’s Pit. He needs a decent run up even on solid ground.
Off topic, but I was looking for a decent video of a swan taking off on water and also found this video of 10,000 geese taking off from a lake in Canada.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhvA4a7nALo
I just thought it was absolutely awesome and eerily terrifying in equal measure, so thought I’d share.
Well, the smart tactic would be to attack Dany’s fleet, remember Euron claimed he can cause storms to happen, perhaps he learned sorcery in his travels to Ashai. If so, causing a storm to scatter Dany’s fleet and Euron then begins picking them off would be a sound strategy. The storms plus scattering the fleet would neutralize some of the Dragon’s presence.
I like what I’m reading though, season 7 is going to be damn epic, fast paced, all high points. Hope Ms. Seller’s Snake survives, she’s my favorite.
Old Nan’s Pie,
Add Capt. James Kirk and the USS Zumalt to Dany’s fleet…I’m not kidding, that is the name of her Captain.
I agree. I don’t want Yara to end up being a prop for Theon’s redemption’s arc, and nor do I want her to end up like Euron’s previous victims or those in his TWOW chapter. I’d hate her to either become the rescued helpless princess, or go out in a manner not befitting her.
It looks clear that Euron will cause serious mayhem in Season 7. That being the case, I think the producers made a mistake in not building him up more as a threat by the end of Season 6. So far, if the show is all you have to rely on, he’s come across as a nuisance to the Ironborn and nearby coasts, not an existential threat to Westeros.
Thronetender,
Personally, I think Pilou Asbaek was miscast.
I think the Kingsmoot scenes could still have worked well as they were written but with a different actor. As you say, someone sinister in a more sophisticated way.
I thought Euron’s showdown with Balon on the bridge was decent and made the character look promising. But then he turned up for the Kingsmoot looking like just another ordinary bloke, with a speech impediment and nice hair.
I have wondered whether they deliberately cast somebody who wouldn’t just completely outshine Yara and Theon. If they’d cast somebody older, more characterful and charismatic who the viewers really took to, it might have undermined Theon and Yara.
I’m not sure how much screen time Euron will get next season, but perhaps they were just looking to create a short-lived character who viewers would be happy to see end up at the bottom of the ocean and who wouldn’t detract too much from the other characters and villains.
I don’t want to hate on Pilou Asbaek, because by most accounts he’s been good in other things, and he’s not awful as Euron but I don’t think he worked in the role either.
I think he and the producers are really going to have to up their game to make Euron seem like a decent antagonist next season.
Inga,
If Dany is carried North, could she also end up at Dragonstone? I haven’t checked out the map.
holy shit,cant wait to see Daenerys beat shit out of Euron and Cersei
this season gonna be awesome so many battle and interesting confrontation
Matthew The Dragon knight,
I hope he kills bad poosi with his big cock
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Yes. They probably couldn’t get Richard Armitage, but he would have been a great Euron. (Also, Toby Stephens would have been a perfect Mance).
Jenny,
That sounds like the beginning of a fanfic novel 🙂 .
ACME,
Yeah with one of them declaring “I am the Storm” and another being “stormborn”, it would be fitting that they actually do battle in a storm. And a nasty storm would neutralize much of the dragons’ power. I wonder who will turn out to worse for wear, probably Euron even though he does manage to capture either his nephew/niece.
Inga,
I remember, when we first got the report about the scouting for various locations in Spain, it was mentioned that there would be a lot of battles happening outside castles. I think this will be Dany’s army (unsullied+ Dothraki). So I don’t think Dany’s fleet will be destroyed to a large extent, rather they will only get separated, whether by choice or by force.
ghost of winterfell,
agree, i think she will split her army in many units, she has too many soldiers to manage all of them by herself, maybe 10 unit with each having 30k soldier
Evelyn Lohse,
I still don’t get why everyone has jumped on the “Sansa will betray Jon” bandwagon. There is no indication in the season finale she in any way will betray Jon. She calls him a “Stark” is smiling and obviously pleased when he is made King of North, she is the one that pointed out that they would rally to him. She wanted him to take the Lord’s room and she and him more than buried the hatchet over her sending for the Knights of the Vale especially when he pointed out she was the reason why they won Winterfell back.
The idea of Sansa being angry that Jon was declared king is ludicrous. Sansa doesn’t want to be Queen of the North, she doesn’t want power of any kind. Look at what her ambition to be Queen cost! Her Father’s life, the loss of her innocence, she went through so much because she had the naive idea of happily ever after as Queen of Westeros. She doesn’t want power, she just wants to be home and safe with her family.
I firmly believe Sansa is merely cognizant that LF is a major threat. I think that if we do see Sansa “betray” Jon it will merely be a ruse to pull one over on LF. I think maybe LF might wind up being out witted by Sansa and she is the one who will take him down because she wants to protect Jon.
Sean C.,
Because Euron is opportunistic and would see it as a “kill two birds with one stone” kind of strategy. He can go to Cersei, offer marriage, and then betray her taking her crown, her gold, etc. Who knows? But the possibilities are endless.
Flayed Potatoes,
Could Dany end on the Dragonstone based on the map from the In Production teaser? Probably yes. The map covers only the area of the Sea of Dorne, so, if Dany is blocked from it and forced to sail further north, she may end on the Dragonstone. Stormsend could also be a possibility. However, taking into account how little time is left, D&D will have to minimise he vanderings, which brings me to the idea that, after losing the battle, Dany may land in the North. Would be interesting, if Theon is forced to face Jon, which he tried to avoid twice, too.
I actually hope it is Theon that gets captured. Euron’s torture would be little compared to what Ramsay did.
I could see Theon simply just laughing at Euron as he goes to cut his “cock” off and he was already beat to the punch lol.
In all seriousness though, It’s more likely that Yara is the one captured and Theon has to save her. (Thus repaying his debts and proving he is actually a Lannister. Lol… ok not serious here.)
Im sort of pissed that with only (a possible) 14 episodes left that they will have this story in the show taking up I can only assume 30% of Season 7. There is so much that needs to be talked about and explained still. And while the Iron Islanders story is great in the books, it is really boring in the show.
I certainly hope that D&D do not fook up these next two shortened seasons since they do not have the fullest extent of the book to use as a guide. (I’m angry enough that they shortened a season of a show that could be 20 episodes long, and still have story left out. I would pay $50 a season to watch it alone if it were at least 15 episodes.)
Thanks for all the posts this summer WotW. I’ve enjoyed them all immensely. Everyone’s hard work and time are greatly appreciated.
After reading article and most posts:
Cannot wait to see a GoT naval battle.
Cersei & Euron gonna pull too much shizit. It should be great!!
It does seem to make sense to split that large of a naval force. I could also see storms being a factor in the battle.
The horn is the cover for WoW, so it’s probably important in the books. The show has touched on it a few times, I won’t be surprised if it plays a role for season 7. However, those few times may have just been fan service to book lovers and the book horn has been cut out of TV series because it’s not absolutely needed and saves time.
I think Dany & Jon will meet about episode 5 or 6. I just keep thinking about how these last two seasons must accelerate at warp speed to be concluded satisfactorily. I’m guessing the battle at sea, cersei and euron’s defeat happens by episode 5, alliances made with dany/Jon by 6, and WW attack at 7, setting up the final season. For that last season, i keep thinking they have to defeat/deal with WW + have an episode or two showing the survivors and what the future looks like for them and all of Westoros after the long night. Of course, dany or Jon biting the bullet before they evr meet would be very grrm also 🙂
I love the idea of Theon’s one night stand with the captain’s daughter resulting in a Greyjoy heir 🙂
Not happy about Euron capturing Theon or Yara. At this moment, it sounds so unbelievable for either of them to get taken. I think neither of them would allow themselves to be put in a vulnerable situation for that to happen. Just trusting D/D. + They’re both such great characters, I would love them both to live to fight the WW
ghost of winterfell,
I remember that reference too, but they have absolutely no time for multiply sieges, if they are doing a naval battle. And when it will hapen? My guess is episode 4 – a big midseason climax, thoght they may drag things till episode 6. If the battle comes midseason, theoretically there could be time for the Dany to siege some castle (Stormsend or Dragonstone), but plotwise she has to end in King’s Landing, at the Dragonpit according to the rumors, so again there hardly be time for the siege after the naval battle. Hence, the siege/battle outside the castle is the best guess and that ties up with the hint to the Lannister presence in northeastern Dorne and a Sandsnake being taken out by Euron. I will probably write my fan fiction shortly to sort things out, but don’t take that too seriously.
Speaking of characters as mainly props to further another character’s arc doesn’t seem right to me. By that right all characters are only “props” to further whoever ends up sitting on the iron throne in the final episode of season 8. I think it a false way to view any character. Some must go on – some must not – all are more than simply props as long as you – the viewer – is entertained. I wish people would let that notion go to rest. In a show like GoT some characters die and some – the most important ones – don’t. Simple as that.
As for Euron – I’m a Dane and I was not impressed with the Euron we saw in season 6. If he ends up being some sort of sorcerer too, conjuring up storms, I’m going to be sorely disappointed.
What makes GoT work for me is that it may be a fantasy universe but they keep it as real as possible. What makes it work for me is brilliant acting, great dialogue, stunning scenery. The magic? Not so much. If a foolish jerk like Euron Greyjoy suddenly knows how to wield storms, it’ll be a bit silly and over the top, really. Fingers crossed we won’t see that.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Awesome!!! Loved the video! Thanx for posting!
You know someone who has been in belfast for a week now and hasn’t been mentioned in those filming spoilers? Peter Dinklage. My theory is that he is there filming a lannister reunion. Tyrion wasn’t in the greyjoys or martells ships, last we saw him he was with Dany. Emilia, Nathalie, Conleth and Jacob (Dany’s entourage) hasn’t showed up in Belfast yet, not even for fitting or read throughs. You know who has been there for over a week now also? lena and nicolaj. So unless peter is filming scenes where tyrion is alone, he’s probably filming scenes with the lannisters twins or the sand snakes.
Oh, and for God’s sake let the sibling captured by euron be asha. I think several seasons of tortured theon are enough. It would be nice to see him taking control and leading asha’s rescue mission, even if he dies in the process.
If one Sand Snake dies, my money is on Tyene, because she has the added bonus of being Ellaria’s daughter, that’s enough of a death flag in my book.
Kargaryen,
When the hell is she taking KL so she can finally fight against the WW?
LOL how is everyone so sure it’s going to happen. We don’t know. It’s all up in the air the story is now 🙂
thorne garnet,
Ah haha. Could have had two for the price of one. Nobody’d miss them.
Maggie,
Wouldn’t it blindside everyone if Dany’s the one who finds out first somehow about Jon’s heritage and rides to or sends an envoy to her nephew KitN asking for help in the war for the South?!
Alba Stark,
How do you think the Hound will take to the KitN? We all know Robert and Joffrey soured him on the idea of kingship. (Is that a word?) Maybe he’s perceptive enough to realize this one’s cut from a different cloth than those he’s known in the south.
High Sparrow,
Bummer. I got excited for you but then read the bad news underneath 🙁
Jon is a very different person to both Robert and Joffrey, and the Brotherhood without Banners (in which I think we do now have to include the Hound) will ultimately be going to him as the commander of the army that will eventually fight the Night King. So, he is going to someone that understands the true war and is willing to fight it for the greater good rather than personal gain. And I don’t see Jon being surrounded by the trappings of kingship; I think he will want to emulate Ned as much as possible, and Ned was an honorable man – not the drunken womanizer that Robert was, nor the sadistic, selfish, entitled bully that Joffrey was.
A lot may depend on what the situation at Winterfell is like when the Hound gets there. How is Jon and Sansa’s relationship? We know that the Hound was protective of her in King’s Landing. What will he think of the person she has grown into, and of the influence that LF has had on her? Of course, the Hound could – and I think will – be the catalyst to end the alliance between Sansa and LF as he was present in the throne room the day that LF held a knife to Ned’s throat during his arrest.
The Hound is also in the position of having spent extensive periods of time around both Stark girls, and while I don’t think Arya told him that Jon was the one who gave her Needle, I think she did tell him that it was a gift from her brother. So, he could very well be in a situation where he knows that one Stark sister got on very well with Jon, and the other not so much. And then there is the complication of Arya perhaps meeting up with the Hound and the rest of the Brotherhood in the Riverlands and heading north with them. Should that happen, the Hound could very well enter Winterfell with Arya’s opinion of Jon imprinted in his mind. The Riverlands will be an interesting place in the first couple of episodes – the Hound is there with the Brotherhood, Arya is heading out from the Twins, Brienne and Podrick are going back north from Riverrun, and Melisandre is heading south. At least two of these separate travelling groups have to meet each other.
Short answer – it depends on circumstances, but Jon is a good guy and the antithesis of the kings that the Hound has encountered previously. And it isn’t just them either – Jon is nothing like any Lannister the Hound served.
Alba Stark,
Yes to all that, but we know how cynical is the Hound, and one has to prove themselves to him so I can see him at first sneering at this young new Stark bastard king thinking he’s puffed up just like the others but eventually he’ll see otherwise of course, it could make for some humorous kind of tension in the beginning.
“long, tall terrible woman, shadowed, with hands of white fire(wildfire?), standing next to him”
Euron + Cersei ladies and gentleman!
Evelyn Lohse,
I think it’s more of selfish. She wants North and probably will make a pact with LF for it. He’ll try to deliver it and maybe even betray them all or he really wants her by his side at Iron Throne. Dishonorable person might be LF more than anyone at this point.
Lulus Mum,
Team Bonkers. Truly fitting nickname for them. It will be interesting because Cersei and Euron just like LF then needs to make a room for Night’s King.
Ser Bobbeh,
It would be basically be coyping season 6. They’re original than that. Especially this girls save boy or boy save girl is kinda overdone.
Inga,
Don’t think Jon will join them fighting. More likely after dealing with LF and Daeny with Cersei they’ll meet. People think Jon would believe and just like that help Dany. Or that Dany would believe Jon is her nephew.
I sincerely hope they write Euron’s character better this upcoming season. I was really disappointed with it in comparison to the Euron I got to know in the books. Let’s have less thug and more intelligence and charisma when teaming up with Cersei!
Inga,
Indeed. I would expect the Northern lords to be much more disruptive than one may think.
I realise that the KitN scene was jubilatory for many of us, as it was clearly intended to be, however it was also permeated by a sense of doom. The Northern lords ignored Jon’s point about the future (the war to come, the forces beyond the Wall) to wax lyrical about the past (Red Wedding, Ned, Robb) and were shamed into submission and celebration by a ten-year-old ! That was hardly the perfect start ^^
Furthermore, I believe the speech Lord Glover gave Sansa was very indicative of the nobility’s mindset : on the one hand, he made an excellent point about loyalty being earned, not owed, about liege lords having a duty to protect their people in order to gain the right to order them around; on the other hand, it completely busted the myth of “the North remembers” and gave us a glimpse of something more sinister lurking in the deep recesses of the Northern ethos.
In a weird, round-about way, it reminded me of Lord Royce confronting Littlefinger in 4.08. The Lord expressed his mistrust of Baelish, which made him absolutely correct, but justified it by arguing Littlefinger was “grubby” (taking care of financial matters is “counting coppers” to men like him and Robert Baratheon) and “foreign” (because a Bravoosi great-grandfather is a disgusting taint to the pedigree-obsessed nobility), thereby succeeding in being simultaneously utterly right about one thing and a prejudiced, arrogant tw*t about all the others.
In the immortal words of Lord Glover, Talisa is a “foreign whore”. I imagine that any woman he disapproves of is a “whore” in his eyes because… Well, she is ! There ! Who cares if she is actually a doctor ? And then, there is the emphasis on her being foreign, as if it were an aggravating factor. I suppose had she been a Westerosi, born and bred, “whore”, he would have found her slightly more palatable.
When the writers gave an interview in which they stated that Jon had better hope for a conflict between groups rather than between individuals (for the selfish and the dishonourable fare well in the latter while the altruistic and the respectable thrive in the former), everyone assumed they were refering to Littlefinger, Sansa and whatever tension may exist between them and Jon. Which is not unjustified : if there is one thing we know for sure, it is that Baelish will stir as much sheep shift as he possibly can because that is his thing ! ^^
However, I believe the Northern lords will have an important role to play. To assume that because they felt guilty and shouted “KitN”, they are now all completely in line with Jon and will follow him to the end of the earth seems a bit overly optimistic to me…
ghost of winterfell,
Well, from a purely narrative standpoint, I believe it is safe to bet that Euron, very much like Cersei, is on his way out, so to speak : they have little to no discernible role to play in the upcoming Battle for the Dawn (they are not on the Northern side and they do not seem to possess any tool that could help the living against the dead) and they are antagonists. So they will die. Eventually…
Therefore, the question is : how much damage will they be able to cause before their demise ?
In Cersei’s case, she is very weakened but her enemies are not necessarily much better off : the Crown is broke and probably so are the Lannisters but what about the Tyrells ? In season four, they took over from the Lannisters as the Crown’s personal sludge fund; who knows how much of their wealth remains ? Also, the Queen still has control over three potentially ressourceful regions (the Westerlands, the Crownlands and the Stormlands) and, if she is any smart, she will at least try to hold onto a fourth (the Riverlands) to create a cohesive territorial unit. Finally, she has cray cray Euron ! ^^
In Euron’s case, he could entirely destroy Daenerys’s fleet and decimate a big part of her army. That would not only weaken her militarily but also “narratively”, in a way : she is deemed worthy of the crown because she is the “saviour”, the chosen one. This is her calling card; this is how she wants to be known. People believe in her like they do in a deity.
What kind of god leads an army that can be overtaken by a crazy person ? Any form of defeat would threaten her “brand” (forgive me for using the vile language of marketing ^^)
On a more pragmatic note, as Davos noted, people like to be on the winning side of things or, at the very least, to believe they have a decent chance to emerge victorious. Otherwise, why bother ?
If Daenerys suffers serious losses, it could spark a chain reaction : people doubting her abilities, families in the Reach and Dorne rebelling against their rulers’ decision to follow the last (known) Targaryen and drag them into a fight with Cersei and Euron, factions within her army abandoning her or even switching side, etc.
Daenerys still has two treasons to go; she should probably start looking over her shoulder…
Strangely, I wonder if Davos and Tormund may be key here. If they stay on at Winterfell as advisers to Jon, then it will be evident pretty quickly that Jon is someone who values loyalty, honesty and ability over birth and titles. And that will, I think, be something that the Hound can get on board with.
I agree that the role of the northern lords will be intriguing – Sansa is a true-born Stark, but female and successively married to a Lannister and a Bolton; Jon is illegitiate, but male. Which will they side with if sides have to be taken? The North are a patriarchal and martial society – they may favor Jon for the simple reason that he will lead his own army into battle as he did against Ramsay. I think that the northerners follow strength almost as much as the Dothraki do – and Jon is more of a leader of men than Sansa is. It will be interesting to see also if Lords Glover, Manderly and Cerwyn have the same attitude towards Sansa and her marriages as Lady Mormont did. As viewers we know that she was forced to marry Tyrion and manipulated into marrying Ramsay by LF, but these lords don’t know that. That said, there is also the issue of the Free Folk – yes, Jon can explain that he saved them from the Night King and his army, and argue that they fought under the banners of House Stark in the Battle of the Bastards, but given Lord Glover’s opinion of Talisa will some of them be as understanding if Sansa makes Jon’s relationship with Ygritte known? I am, of course, assuming that he told Sansa about Ygritte in their off-screen catch-up, but even if he didn’t then she could easily have overheard gossip while at Castle Black.
Inga,
My guess is that this naval battle will happen in the earlier part of the season, ep 2/3 maybe. This is where Dany’s forces get scattered, Yara/Theon get caught up with Euron, and Dany might be forced to go north either to the Stormlands/Dragonstone (especially if they get caught up in a storm) . Dany will then have to regroup and lead her army over land into Westeros, hence battles outside castles. Since there is no news of any Dothraki being involved in the filming now, I assume they will be with Dany wherever they separate. This is my own fanfic, I might be completely wrong 🙂 .
ACME,
We have had this conversation before, still I disagree with your take on the KitN scene. I did not think they ignored Jon’s warning at all. They might not have shown their agreement to everything Jon had to say at that moment, but they definitely listened to him.
And they did not crown him king, based only on the past. While Wyman Manderly did mention the Red Wedding, at the same time Glover also said this “there will be more wars to come and House Glover will stand behind House Stark and I will stand behind Jon Snow” . Here he is looking forward while choosing Jon as King, as their leader in these battles. In fact, even D&D have said in the same interview you mentioned that the Northern Lords chose Jon as their King because they saw him as their best hope to win the wars to come. So while some tensions with the Northern Lords is likely next season, especially once Jon’s parentage gets revealed, I think they will ultimately stay loyal to him.
I don’t think Euron will decimate a big part of Dany’s army, because I think part of the reason why Dany has been given an army in these numbers (plot-wise) is so that they can provide the bulk of the resistance against the WW’s. So in the next season, while they will need Euron to cause some damage to Dany’s army, for the purposes of drama , they will still need to have a significant part of her army survive. Again just a guess 🙂 .
Inga,
I’m dying for a Theon and Jon reunion, especially now that Rickon is dead and Bran might make it to Winterfell by then and meet him too.
Nerwen Aldarion,
D&D and some cast members have said that there will be tension between the two and have been working on it since Sansa and LF were reunited. It’s not out of nowhere.
Carrying on the theme of posts about storms, although a storm in open sea is obviously very dangerous, one close to land can be equally so; a very strong wind/tide can force ships onto rocks where they will break apart, potentially in a couple of minutes. If one fleet is much closer to land than the other it could cause huge casualties on just one side, although if they are both together it’s goodbye all around. It’s a good bet that many of those involved wouldn’t be able to swim (and don’t forget the horses, the Dothraki are severely hampered without them). Even being moored in a port is only limited protection, if you are approaching hurricane levels of weather wooden ships with sails are easily damaged beyond repair. History time: the Spanish Armada, the last attempt to invade England (late 16th century), was actually a series of attempts, one of which had to be aborted as the fleet was destroyed before even setting off.
On a related note, book readers help me here please. Am I right in thinking
Daks,
I think the whole euron character in the show is a badly drawn caricature of the book euron. It’s almost like they wrote a pisstake version of his scene and then went with it. Like they just put in a character called Euron to appease the fans but couldn’t be bothered to actually give him any substance. I’m actually wondering if this is proof Dan and Dave are sick and tired of doing the show and just want to wrap it up as quick as they can.
Well, that makes sense. Cersei has literally no one else to ally with in Westeros. And
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Keith Stares,
Well first of all Euron is already a badly drawn caricature in the books so…,and second of all he was literally in two scenes What was so different from book Euron they even had the same lines??Only because he doesn’t have a magical horn or an eyepatch??And D&D don’t care about appeasing book fans so don’t worry they put him in because he has something to do
tyjon,
Just checked! Holy shit!!
ACME,
I can agree on the northern lords. We also have to keep in mind that one of them has to be Littlefinger’s secret friend mentioned in S6 (my guess it’s lord Cerwin). However, lords of the Vale may become even a bigger problem. If Cersey sends her armies to the Riverlands and the Vale, Lord Royce will have the same impuls as Jon during the BoB: to go and save the kid. He may even demand Jon to march together, but the northerners will hardly be on bord and Jon himself will be severely frustrated.
And then there is Dany. Most probably, Bran will start persuading Jon to use his family connections to get support from Dany as soon as he reveals those connections to him. However, the northern lords may be not that enthusiastic about bending a knee to the Mother of Dragons and Sansa may simply become jealous, if she smells a marriage possibility. The fear that she herself might be forced to resume her marriage with Tyrion may also play a part. Besides that, if Jon will make an alliance with Dany and then she loses, he will have to do something to help her out, and that won’t be pooular in the North. So, Jon will have to make a lot of hard decisions and tensions in his camp will be inevitable.
I’m throwing out there that Euron might romance Cersei and then steal her ships. He needs a thousand right? Why wait to build them when you can just steal them from a batshit crazy queen? (Hello, Aurane Waters.) It would put KL/crown defenses in the same place as they are in the books.
I’m totally into this Wineborn alliance. Maybe Cersei can wear some shitty driftwood too.
The final battle will be held at the Twins. So much of the strife in Westeros was started by the Jaime and Cersei relationship. It started with the twins and ends at the Twins.
And you think Cersie would stand aside and let Euron sit the Iron Throne? No.
The leak only said they’ll be allies. There’s no mention of a romance/ marriage… We only have 14 episodes left remember, we just don’t have the time for all that nonsense.
ygritte,
Seems like she might not want the competition. She may send more than envoys there.
Flayed Potatoes,
@ Flayed Potatoes
To riff off your comment about Euron meeting Yara & Theon in battle after having been separated from Dany by a storm… I’m betting Euron BRINGS the storm. The books hint that he has some degree of control over the weather, allowing him to make ungodly time sailing from place to place. I think it would be cool, anyway, for him to use weather to wreak havoc on Dany’s/Yara’s navy.
Apollo,
I think Cersei would definitely promise Euron a place next to her on the Iron Throne if he pledged to crush Daenerys for her, and perhaps even go through with the marriage if it strengthened her grip on the Seven Kingdoms.
Their marriage doesn’t have to mean anything. It could just be for show. And if he became a problem or surplus to requirements she’d kill him off like she did Robert.
Obviously it’s unlikely to happen or be depicted on the show, since Cersei and Euron are both pretty much doomed.
But I could see Cersei agreeing to a marriage of convenience on the show and, hypothetically, going through with it if Euron actually managed to defeat Daenerys and help her bring the Seven Kingdoms to heel.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Still, Cersey might find marriage with Euron quite enjoyable. Cersey has just discovered the joys of sadism and Euron is an experienced sadist, I assume. So, they may play an older version of Ramsay-Myranda smoothly, until one kills the other. I hope that it will be Cersey who kills Euron, but who knows.
Anyway, I don’t think that the development of such “romance” will take too much of the screentime. A scene or two is all we need.
Apollo,
Mad Cersei will definetly love Euron.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Why won’t Edmure ever rule again? Arya has single-handedly seen to the onset of the Destruction of House Frey, as Merritt Frey predicted in ASOS – they’ll likely tear the house apart (figuratively, if not literally) fighting for Walder’s title.
Let’s not forget Arya was present in S6e10 when Walder told Jaime Edmure is rotting in a cell. I’d find it hard to believe Arya wouldn’t rescue Edmure from his cell.
Ser Clintalot,
He betrayed the Blackfish, surrendered Riverrun and handed rule of the Riverlands to Walder Frey.
That’s not the sort of thing the Tullys’ bannermen would forgive. They won’t want to be ruled by somebody who would sell them down the river to save his own bacon. Just check out the look of disgust the Tully officer gives him after he orders them to surrender Riverrun and arrest the Blackfish in 6×08 – all respect has been lost.
Plus, one of the themes of last season was about weak men being unfit to rule (Doran, Trystane, Tommen, Balon, Theon, Loras and even Walder Frey himself, based on Jaime’s pointed remarks towards him).
I’d be surprised to see them go back on a major theme like that.
Unless they intend for Edmure to miraculously prove himself worthy of the River Lords’ support somehow, I don’t think we’ll see him ruling the Riverlands again.
Plus, I think with Edmure out of the way it leaves the potential for Sansa or Robin Arryn (both have Tully mothers) to stake a claim to the Riverlands, which I think could be one of the ways in which Littlefinger could aim to undermine Jon.
I’m not sure what they’ll do with Edmure, but I’d be surprised to see him play any major role in the remainder of the show or reclaim the Riverlands again.
This is just me speculating, of course.
I think you’re right about Edmure having forfeited his credibility with the Riverlords, but he does have an heir. It would be interesting to see Sansa or Sweetrobin asked to step in as regent until the child comes of age. But what to do with Edmure? Tobias Menzies is a fine actor – his Black Jack Randall is a thousand times more believable and chilling villain than Ramsay Bolton – and I’d count it a loss if he gets no more scenes in GoT henceforward.
I had this dream that Euron will summon a goddamned KRAKEN to even out the scales on that hyped sea battle
This all depends… Bran now has knowledge that (a) Jon is Targaryen and (b) Lyanna wasn’t forcefully taken and raped [at a minimum she had no disdain toward Rhaegar or his child]. I’d wager that Jon will learn of this before he learns Dany has landed in Westeros. He would definitely be wary of a Targaryen after Aerys/Rickard/Brandon, and rightly so, but he would also be more inclined to reach out Dany knowing that he is Targaryen. T knowledge of his parentage will be met with resistance and he will definitely experience the seven stage of grief, but he’s longed for his missing family his whole life and he will have the urge to meet her – after all, she’s the last family he has on his paternal side.
He’d certainly be more apt to treat with his own aunt than Cersei, who he KNOWS was responsible for the surrogate father’s death and whose family was responsible for the death and destruction of his maternal family.
You’re right… It would be foolish to approach Dany without caution or a second thought, but the fact remains that he doesn’t have enough men to defeat the White Walkers. Ignoring familial ties, Dany is still the best choice from a pragmatic standpoint. The fate of the world lies on his shoulders, Dany has a huge army compared to Cersei, AND she has three DRAGONS (as of now).
I just don’t see how he wouldn’t see the need to meet her.
Ser Clintalot,
Previous was supposed to be addressed to ghost of winterfell.
Yeah, there are a lot of Mount Molehills around Euron! If he amounts to even part of Cersei’s last stand against the Targaryen alliance, then that’s as much as makes sense given what a quaternary character Euron is. Moreover, Euron will be a prop in Cersei’s storyline at most. I would tend to agree with a couple of the other posters: I expect that this will be stuff tied up by mid-season, so that they can make way for the Ice and Fire War.
The big problem is that we don’t know what the story is this year. My bet is that it’s going to be the Spring story, or some first “half” of it. So, the big set of compromises for the main characters will be similar to the ones that the Walkers will ultimately cause them. Now that we know the origin of the Walkers and the implications of those origins, we have some vague direction: but basically, we’ve been pointed “west” rather than been given even a general area, never mind specific coordinates.
Still, one thing has rung true for the entire series: there always are very strong parallels between Jon’s and Daeny’s storylines. The “hiccup” in Daeny’s path that Euron represents probably will have some counterpart for Jon. My bet is that Littlefinger will play that role. Let’s face it: LF in particular is not going to buy this “White Walker” claptrap for a moment; and he’s more than clever enough to play on that as grounds for undermining Jon’s credibility.
I agree with most of your point.
While I believe Ygritte would probably be a non-issue because Jon did leave her and, well, she is dead, I am intrigued to see how the continued collaboration between the Northern nobility and the Free Folk will unfold. The preparation of the Battle of the Bastards gave us a glimpse of Wildlings and Northern knights fighting one another. Was it foreshadowing conflicts to come ?
In regards to Sansa’s marriages, I would assume the Northern lords’ opinion is very much in tune with Lady Mormont’s. Women are property in Westeros : their identity is dependent on which man they belong to (father then husband), regardless of whether they are happy about it. But there is a woman on the throne now. The times they are a changin’ 😉
Oh I have no doubt you are right in that the Northern lords’ loyalty was very much prospective and not only retroactive ! I am certain they are sincerely willing to fight for their new king ^^
However, I cannot help but wonder what type of “wars to come” they have in mind. After all, the Boltons were chosen by the Crown as the North’s rulers while House Stark was identified as an enemy; to align with the latter amounts to treason. Northerners would be justified to expect punitive retaliation from the Crown (like the Blackfish seemed to expect the Royal Army to support the Freys).
Do the “wars to come” Lord Glover, amongst others, envision look like the War of the Five Kings redux or do the lords anticipate something new and more supernatural ?
The KitN scene alone (that’s all we have for the moment ^^) gives us very little indication that the Battle of the Dawn is what they have in mind. Lyanna Mormont herself who, we know for certain, was made aware of the threat did not make a single reference to it even though she spoke immediately after Jon’s allusion to the White Walkers. Instead, she went for “We should remember, you should be ashamed, the Red Wedding was horrible, the Boltons were dreadful, Ned was great, the Starks are brilliant, Jon is awesome”… It felt somewhat disjointed to me.
Either the writers forgot something or this non sequitur was meaningful.
ghost of winterfell
You may be entirely right.
What makes me doubt is that most of Daenerys’s army seems ill-equiped to fight in the North, in any capacity.
Time and time again, we have heard from Westerosi commanders and generals that, aside from the Northerners and the knights of the Vale, no one understands winter. Tywin admitted as much (“The Starks understand winter better than we ever will- the cold wont beat them”) and Stannis, who was famous for his military talent and tenacity, was defeated in part because of the Northern climate. Both these generals did not hail from particularly tropical regions yet the frozen North was too “different” (in the “autumn”-ish) for them to “get it”.
To the best of our understanding, the Dothrakis and the Unsullied have never seen a single snowflake. The Dothrakis, bless ’em, don’t even wear shirts ! ^^
While the Unsullied, famed for their incredible resilience, may hold on and try to fight the cold through sheer will power, the Dothrakis would be entirely useless below 20°C, I fear. The only ones who could have a shot are the Ironborn; they are familiar with the climate and might be able to work around it.
That is why, historically, it has always been always a bad idea to invade during winter; General Frost is always lurking in a corner ! 😉
Ser Clintalot,
Jeez… idk what’s wrong with me. ACME was who I was trying to address!
Lulus Mum,
Ramsay's 20th Good Man,
I am tempted to agree with you on the Rivermen’s likely perception of Edmure after his decision to abandon Riverrun to the Lannisters and the Freys. I think it is a shame to be honest, for he did abide by the Tullys’ words (family comes before duty and honour; Edmure was more than willing to die for his uncle’s cause until his son was threatened, then he chose to save the Tully heir rather than the Blackfish and a pile of rocks), but it is probable his family’s bannermen will see it differently.
Would they go so far as to reject him openly ? I do not know… After all, they did acknowledge him as their rightful lord even when the order he gave them was clearly dictated by the Lannisters. Therefore, I would not expect downright rebellion but a pervasive wariness which may lead to the Rivermen hoping for an alternative to Edmure and his son, who is half-Frey.
Edmure could still have a role to play however. The Tullys might separate into two branches : the main one, the Tullys of Riverrun, who would hold the title of Lord Paramount of the Trident, headed by Sansa, (Arya, Bran) or Sweetrobin, depending on whether the Rivermen choose to adhere to male-preference or absolute primogeniture; and the minor one, the Tullys of the Twins (maybe ?), headed by Edmure.
Furthermore, after three years of imprisonment and the siege of Riverrun, he could be eager to redeem himself, so to speak, and do his damnedest to help what is left of his family.
Ser Clintalot,
You do make an excellent point : from a purely pragmatic standpoint, the North will eventually need Daenerys’s collaboration, whether they like it or not !
However, I wonder how much Jon will invest, emotionally speaking, into his Targaryen heritage. On the face of it, the Targaryens are not a particularly sympathetic bunch : inbred, violent, ruthless, mad (for half of them), etc. Compared to the Starks, the Dragons are a little shop of horrors. Full of arsonists !
Jon, who always worshipped noble, kind, honourable Ned, will have to accept that his real father was Rhaegar, who abandoned wife and children to the mercy of an insane monarch to galivant with his otherwise-betrothed, runaway mother while one of his grandfathers burnt the other one alive, which led to the country descending into violence and chaos… Of course, on a more positive note, Rhaegar sometimes played music in the streets and Lyanna was a very good equestrian so yeah for Team R+L ! ^^
Overall, Jon’s true parentage may not be something he would be remotely comfortable with. At least not initially.
As Inga pointed out, it will be a season of hard, complex, possibly devastating choices for him.
Andy,
Euron will cut theon’s whiny head off
Thronetender,
Giving the iron islanders style points on the homemade crown
Sean C.,
Some resemblance of an army
Firannion,
I think that if the future of the Riverlands becomes a plot point next season it will probably be as part of Littlefinger’s attempts to position Sansa as the stronger choice to rule the North.
In which case I don’t think he’d be interested in factoring Edmure or his heir into the equation. He’d likely just go over their heads and offer the River Lords an alternative in Sansa, or at least as a reason to ally with the North under Jon.
Then, longer term, he can look into replacing Jon with Sansa.
Again, this is obviously just speculation, but I think there’s probably less scope for playing politics in the reduced final seasons, so if they’re going to bring the Riverlands into the fold they might just cut to the chase and overlook Edmure and his heir.
It would be a shame to see no more of Tobias Menzies, but I’m not sure how Edmure can fit into the final scheme of things.
Euron = Sauron.
Please Season7 have his ship Silence & a mute crew & captured priests and blue lips & a Valerian Steel suit of armor! & his sigil/flag & Dragonbinder as well as conjuring storms and krakens and dragons.
Something has to happen to Dany’s two other dragons. Euron gets one and Tyrion gets one. White Walker fight is season8.
I feel like the spoiler bit of this news might not be as true as it’s claiming to be. That’s just me, but if the show does go this route, I gotta admit I’d be disappointed. It sounds more like fanfiction than show worthy storytelling. How could Euron possibly build that many ships that quickly to meet with Dany? Also, why would he team up with Cersei when he wants to marry Dany? That doesn’t make sense, since Dany and Cersei are enemies. Sorry but I’ve seen this theory all over reddit and youtube and it just sounds like bs. The only part the rings true is Theon or Yara getting captured or something but even that is hard to believe. Again, how the hell could Euron get to Dany before she arrives in Westeros? It’s not like the iron islands have a bunch of trees they can use. I’d rather see Euron vs Jon Snow, at least that would make sense geographically speaking.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
IMO Edmure has a huge potential. Let’s think it through. The Freys have lost their patriarch and two of his most apparent heirs. Moreover, there was that shot of In Production teaser where they were painting eye-stones on some map. I could not identify the map, but I have a feeling that those eye-stones were for the Freys. However, there were 4 pairs, not 3, and that may hint that Arya have taken out more Freys, than we realised. The castle looked absolutely empty, when she was killing Walder, so who knows…
Anyway, with all the major organisers of the Red Wedding gone, the surviving Freys have a chance for compromise and reconciliation and taking into account that Jamie threatened to take Riverrun for himself, if they lose it again, installing Edmure and Roslyn as the lord and lady of Riverrun looks to be the most reasonable option. That would balance their dependence on the Lannisters etc.
However, as soon as Edmure establishes his position, he will be able to turn against the Lannisters and Roslyn will be totaly on board even if that means confrontation with her brothers and sisters. Just think of it from her perspective. She led a miserable life – we all saw how Walder treated his daugters; marriage was her only chance for a better future and Edmure was a wonderful match and he definitely liked her. So, Roslyn got a glimps of how wonderful her life could be and then she was robbed of all that in the most dramatic way and left with a baby… She could not do much, whille her monster-father was alive, but now she has a chance to salvage her future and that of her son. So, I assume she will try to redeem herself in Edmure’s eyes (in fact, she was a victim as much as he or even more), and if Edmure tells her how Jamie threatened their baby son, she will turn against the Lannisters wildly. She may even manage to rally some or all of her remaining brothers and sisters after her: the Freys may be higly tempted to abandon their alliance with the Lannisters after learning that Dany is comming for Cersey and that Jon won the North in the alliance with the Vail. Littlefinger may play some part in convincing them too – it’s in his interests after all. So, my prediction is that the Riverlands will declare for Jon by mid-season, and the bannermen won’t have too many problems with forgiving Edmure – no-one is perfect after all.
However, after Dany loses the naval battle and Cersey consolidates her power once again, things will become tense. Most probably, she will send her army to the Riverlands and the Vale and Jon will have no other option but to march to the aid of his allies hoping that the spells of the Wall will hold. But something will happen, and we will see the Wall going down in the last shot of the season.
PS. My preference would be to see the spells nullified not due to Bran’s mistake, but rather to some conscious actions of Cersey. I don’t know how it could work practically, but that may be a good way to show just how far she can go without her children. Burning KL won’t be wow any more: I need something bigger.
I don’t want Yara to be tortured be I don’t want Theon to be either. It’s gonna be painful.
As for Daenerys, she wont lose to Cersi or Euron. I know this like how I knew the Starks would win against the Bolton.
I am also positive her story will be focused in the south. There is no reason for her to go north atm. Anything the North can provide, the Reach can x10. Then she has Dorne as well.
I am curious to see what this Euron-Cersei alliance will be like. Euron is ambitious enough to offer aid in exchange for marriage. He does want to be king.
The thing about reading this predictions are it shows how much these things are based on personal bias than the what the original story is about .
If we read certain comments its as if everything must be done by jon snow because no one is special or good or capable like him in the story right .
I cant but stop laughing at the predictions like dothraki bowing down to cersei and dothraki and most of the army sinking down …its same as last year how everyone was saying not all of dothraki will go with dany but they did.like the same way there will be no storm no sinking of fleets .they will all land in westeros..similarly they will also be part of winter and war of dawn because they have been built up to play a part in it .yes they dont wear shirts but who would on the summer at dothraki sea .they may very well know how to dress in winter just wait and see
Also someone mentioned a possible Baelish-Daenerys alliance. Not likely with Varys and Tyrion around. Baelish being with Sansa is already one thing that puts Dany and Starks on different sides.
One more thing
Everyone speaks about euron and his 1000,ships .
But people fprget the only reason he wanted 1000 ships is to carry dany’s army.so if he even builts 1000 ships.he doesnt have men to full the 1000 ships.
And not all IRonborn is with him as well .
Geralt of Rivia,
8
Cersei will marry Euron. Jaime will go to Casterly Rock. Euron will capture and kill Yara. Theon will kill Euron & take his rightful place on the salt throne.
bran the builder,
You can laugh – I’ve heard it’s healthy. But speaking seriously, Dany has just become too victoriuos, to be compelling any more. The “battle” for Meereen was just a comic relief compared to what Jon had to go through. No surprice that a fair share of the fandom turned into Dany-haters and started to imagine her as a potential villain. Of cause, she won’t become a villain: it has been set that she has a tender heart and wants to leave the world better than she found it. However, to make her more compelling, the showrunners have to through her into a hell once more and therefore her defeat on the sea becomes inevitable storywise.
However, the extend and consequences of this defeat is hard to predict. D&D may use the combination of the storm and Euron to send Dany directly to the North with most of her troops intact – that would be the most economical solution for the show IMO, but there are possibilies as well. Anyway, the Dothraki looks to be the most vulnerable component of her army: they are affraid of the sea, they have just learned to sail, and last but not least – what do they owe to Dany? They will follow her as long as she is victorious, but if she loses, they’ll follow the strong, especially taking into account that Cersey won’t have problems with their raping and pillaging “culture”. Of cause, a lot will depend on where the Dothraki will land and whether they will be together with Dany or on their own (as well as on the showrunners’ will to use one or another potential twist).
It’s a little more than plausible; it did occur on screen.
I don’t think Drogon weighs more than a tanker, or even a seaplane, or a jetliner. Nor do I think his wingspan is shorter than a jet.
And I do believe the dragons can float on water like ducks, and perhaps can swim. Otherwise, how would they rest on that long journey? Land is too far away to fly there and take a nap.
Anon,
Yes, I know that.
What I said was plausible is the act of a small dragon being capable of diving into water to catch fish, like an osprey or a kingfisher.
However, a creature weighing a couple of tons plunging into the water to catch fish and flying off again is just pure nonsense.
I honestly don’t know how to respond to this, but here goes.
What relevance can comparing Drogon’s weight to that of a tanker, seaplane or a jetliner or his wingspan to that of a jet possibly have to a discussion about the plausibility of him being able to take off from water?
Do you know how complicated the physics of a seaplane taking off from water are, or how fast it has to reach on the water before it can do so?
Did you even consider my point about swans and geese taking off from water and what it would take for a creature of Drogon’s size to manage the same?
The physics of certain birds being able to float on water is also complex (e.g. water displacement, feathers, internal biology etc.) and it’s unlikely that a dragon would be capable of the same.
As for how they manage long journeys, some birds can fly hundreds if not thousands of miles without landing. We’ve already seen Drogon ranging hundreds of miles from Meereen. If he could fly non-stop across the Narrow Sea or Slaver’s Bay, for example, then he should have no problem finding land to go hunting on during Daenerys’ voyage to Westeros.
But, hey, for all I know the producers might just go for all-out fantasy by having the dragons hunt and land at sea throughout the voyage.
But as I pointed out in my original point, it would actually be convenient for their storytelling if the dragons were understandably AWOL if Euron’s fleet is meant to do Daenerys’ any real damage.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
No, explain it to me in minute detail.
Meereen is a non-moving destination.
Did I say he flew non-stop? My contention is that he took rests(if needed) floating on the sea, and that he/they fish for food rather than hunt game. I didn’t say the dragons would have trouble “finding” land.
No. Again, explain it to me in minute detail. Drogon has wings that flap; planes do not. You mentioned weight as a reason Drogon couldn’t fish/swim etc.
Anon,
Considering your inability to comprehend most of what I’ve been saying throughout this exchange, willfully or otherwise, I don’t think I’ll waste my time, thanks.
So? He found Daenerys in the middle of the Dothraki Sea last season. He’s probably capable of tracking other creatures, including Daenerys and her armada, or has biological means of navigation and location like birds do.
No. That’s what I am saying. You asked how they would manage the long journey and that land was too far away for them to fly to to rest.
I am saying that, like many birds, they are most likely capable of flying hundreds of miles without landing so should have no problem flying to the nearest land to rest.
You said that land would be too far for them to fly to. I asserted that they can fly long distances non-stop and therefore should have no trouble finding land. I mean finding as in reaching land, wherever it may be.
Serious question now. Is English not your first language? Because I don’t want to be continuously criticising somebody for not understanding what I’m saying if there’s a language barrier. But you do seem to be misunderstanding half of what I’m saying.
Achieving flight isn’t as simple as just flapping wings. I think you know that full well.
It’s already unlikely that dragons would actually be capable of flight as they are depicted, due to the constraints of physics and biology on such large creatures.
So you either have to suspend your disbelief somewhat or accept that they fly purely because they’re magic, which renders physics and biology irrelevant.
But if you’re going to believe that there’s any semblance of realism to the way the dragons live and behave (as I do) then that means that a creature of Drogon’s size and weight could not simply float on the water without the necessary physical and biological traits that allow other creatures (like birds) to do so.
And such a creature certainly wouldn’t be physically capable of taking off from water.
Inga,
Comic relief ..really
And Jon snow haven’t been winning all along..I have seen this said many times but she has suffered more and endured hardships more than Jon or any other character in the series.
She had made many errors and mistakes and all were not easy..
Who says she will not have any backlash during her conquest ..she will be facing lots of factors that will cause some damage on her conquest but this will happen only after her landing…
They can have lot of moments where characters has to make up hard decisions like continuing alliance with dorne even after knowing they killed a little girl myrcella..
But instead we have to have Jon snow come and save these poor guys. And go begging for his help ..
If anything the north and Jon snow needs dany and dragons and south not the other way around. .
Seems he is the only character that can have moments facing hard choices and hard decisons..other characters are just a card board cut out waiting for this guys help and arrival.
And would like to see any predictions that say wildlings will ally with LF or cersei..
dragonbringer,
I don’t say Dany never suffered: compared to Jon, she had a much more miserable childhood etc. However, she has been granted magic powers which she could use for her advantage, while Jon has always been a very ordinary guy; even his resurrection had nothing to do with empowerment. So, if the war for dawn is won by Dany and her dragons, and not by an ordinary guy who went into the fray without much hope to win, the entire story will lose its appeal. At least for me.
On the other hand, I have no doubt that Dany and her dragons will play a crucial role in the war for dawn and that she will save the day at the last moment. So, making Jon to save her first could be a good way to balance their roles. And besides that, Dany and her armies are needed in the North ASAP – Cersey can be daelt with afterwards, so it would make sense if circustances and/or higher powers turn her there instead of Kings Landing and she discovers that bad things happen for a reason etc. And for Dany postponing the siege of KL would be the hardest decision ever, because that has been the goal of her life.
In general, the stories of Jon, Dany and Cersey have to collide this season and sending Dany north might be one of the best options. So, no offence to Dany and her fans.
PS. the moral dillemma of Dorne will be conveniently solved by Cersey and Euron as the In Production trailer implies.
Firannion,
Agreed 100%! His acting was weak to the point I was hoping he would attack Oldtown and Team Dany would win that city’s loyalty by crushing him. Although some SS deaths sound nice! 🙂
Steve,
Geography doesn’t matter anymore. Nor common sense. No way Euron and Cersei meet and marry/ally in time before Dany gets to Westeros and by then her army and dragons can only be matched by the Others.
I think that Jon and Daenerys will get married and become king and queen. Jon will sit on the iron throne.
Inga,
What you may say happen at the end of the season..
Dany while at the ruins of KL will come to learn that her destiny lies in the war of dawn and north of the wall.
Jon needed to remove boltons and Ramsey and unite the north before preparing for War with WW..
Similarly dany must have to overthrow cersei and euron from throne and unite the south..
Its a conquest we have been promised for six books and six seasons and all those comparisons to aegon and nymeria by author himself.. If we don’t get to see the conquest then its all been for nothing ..
Well about being magical that’s what the characters bring to the story …Jon is not magical like dany or bran but he will play a role in the war of dawn…but those two for having the magic I expect that’s because something must be done and it can only be done by them and so they are given the power..and the story have been building up for the dany and whitewalker confrontation from the start ..and she will do that with the help of Jon and bran.
The thing iam most looking forward next season is Mel hearing about dany and see what she will be thinking and doing after knowing about dany
WallyFrench,
The timing/sequence of the events was clearly sacrificed for the sake of dramatic effect, but in general Dany’s story has moved forward much more than Cersey’s. The later will catch up only next season, which means that there will be time for the alliance with Euron.
dragonbringer,
OK, you may be right: this season may focus on Dany taking control of the South, but seems we both agree that it won’t be easy and that her first attempt to land will be wrecked to some extent. What comes out of that? Everything is possible. Let’s simply wait and see and developing all kinds of possible scenarios just helps to kill time.
Inga,
Perhaps. I just don’t see Euron rolling into Kings Landing with his 1000 ships and making a deal with Cersei then having time to find Danys armada and challenge them at sea. And that’s not even taking into consideration the level of hate a westerling like Cersei would have for the Iron Born who have historically raided Lannister lands. Especially with how crazy strong Danys forces are. Maybe her fleet gets scattered in a winter storm and Euron is only dealing with a fraction of it that’s dragon less.
If they wanted to have Euron challenge Danys fleet they could have simply had him introduce the magical items he has at the kings moot and that be the way he wins over the Iron Born. And then there’s no need for giant cocks.
thorne garnet,
Hahaha! I feel you. Can it be all of the sand snakes? I can no longer take them. *rolls eyes
WallyFrench,
I also think that Euron won’t roll into KL with 1000 ships. He might even come by land and ask Cersey to give him the royal fleet and/or the Lannister fleet (there must be some too). Cersey will despise him but she won’t have any other option but to try to use the crasy pirate. Afterwards Euron will provoke a major storm by means of some dreadful blood magic – remember, he is the storm. Dany’s fleat will be scattered and to a large extent destroyed, just like the Spanish Armada. Euron will triumphantly come to KL and marry/seduce Cersey but their triumph will be short lived one way or another.
WallyFrench,
Inga,
That’s exactly why I believe all this battle happens after dany has arrived in westeros or atleast on dragon stone..
I guess she will be landing on dragonstone in episode 1 and split her forces to stormlands and dorne .
from dragonstone she will send ravens to the lords of westeros like aegon’s style..
And cersei will learn about the news of dany ..
Euron will come to cersei and propose an alliance and cersei will accept it..
From episode 2 or 3 battle wilp begin..
No Storms like Spanish armada or anything.
Dothraki have been given that any number and their abilities with bow and arrows are going to be one of the major factors in the war of dawn ..
And people who except them to be drowned or dead will be disappointed.. Or may be I will .
We will see
Inga,
Cool theory, hadn’t thought of that. Only issue with him coming by land is that it’d be a long march through hostile territory from the west to Kings Landing. But maybe he tears through Tyrell lands on his way there delighting Cersei?
dragonbringer,
I would like that too. And maybe Euron captures a nephew or niece as a prize to give Cersei after a victorious battle that sees a dead Sand Snake to boot. He walks in and drops a kicks a head to the foot of the iron throne and says something about avenging Myrcella.
dragonbringer,
I think the Dothraki have to exist as cannon-fodder to some extent at this point.
It is unlikely that they will make up the majority of the force that takes on the White Walkers.
First of all, they are not suited to winter weather or warfare and are best on horseback, which would make filming battle scenes extremely complicated (it was difficult enough to depict a couple of thousand cavalry in the Battle of the Bastards).
Depicting tens of thousands of Dothraki on horseback during the climactic battle is probably a complication the producers will want to try to eliminate or reduce somewhat.
They could do this in purely storytelling terms, without needing to kill off most of the Dothraki, by coming up with an explanation e.g. the horses dying or being too many to feed during conflict in winter.
But nevertheless I believe the number of Dothraki will be deliberately reduced during Daenerys’ invasion in order for the Westerosi to make up the bulk of the forces under the command of Daenerys and/or Jon Snow during the final battles.
This is because ultimately the victory over the White Walkers has to be the Westerosi’s, not the Dothraki’s and because the implications of the Dothraki effectively conquering Westeros don’t align with what we’ve all been invested in over the past 6 seasons.
dragonbringer,
Why would Dany split her army after landing at Dragonstone? Any military offensive needs concentration, so there are two alternatives. Dany may attack KL from the sea and order Dornish and Tyrell forces to attack it from the land, or she can land somewhere where she can join with her westerosi allies and march to KL from that point. The first alternative is problematic: the Black Watter Bay is full of sunken ships, maneuvering in it would be quite difficult, so landing at a safe location and marching to KL by land looks more reasonable. Therefore Dorne/Stormlands make the most appropriate landing point. What Cersey/Euron have to do its also obvious: they have to close the Sea of Dorne (by taking one or two Dornish castles) and make Dany to sail into the Shipwrecker Bay the name of which speaks of itself. And such course of events is very much supported by the In Production teaser map.
If you could give an alternative interpretation of that map, it would be nice if you could present them.
WallyFrench,
Oh, Euron does not need to march with his army through hostile territories. He can simply sneak into KL just as he sneaked into Pyke and then reveal himself to Cersey at the right moment fascinating her with his battle plans. He might be the same suspicios person to be caught by the city guard, the casting call for which was announced recently.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Well, if the Dothraki are based on the Mongols, than one should take into account that the Mongols fought and even preferred to fight in winter. But in general I can agree: one way or another there numbers will be severely diminished to make things more dramatic.
Inga,
Big difference there. Pyke is an island he grew up on and is a member of the ruling house. Much easier to sneak there and be respected and heard. But it’s not like he can ring the bell on the front door of the Red Keep and say “hey rebelling Iron Born here, I’d like an audience with that Lannister queen I have a big cock…. I mean plan for her”
WallyFrench,
Well, Euron is crasy enought to do something similar Daario did in S3 and the showrunners may go this way just for the sake of simplicity.
Sean C.,
We don’t know for sure that the dragonpit is going to be used. People believe the area chosen for filming would be a good dragonpit, but no confirmation. Unless I have missed something.
Stargaryen,
Watcher on the Wall confirmed/spoiled that Dany will be in the Dragonpit. http://watchersonthewall.com/game-thrones-spoiler-report-daenerys-season-7/
Let’s hope, she won’t be there as a prisoner.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Are you sure I can’t coax you into explaining yourself more clearly? I was looking forward to something more specific than the broad term “…constraints of physics and biology on such large creatures.”
Maybe if you broke that down into specifics, I might do a better job of replying.
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dragonbringer,
That kinda has become her style now…not ravens, specifically, but an appeal..or subtle threat, in this case.
The Dothraki have an analogue to White-Walkers: Ghost Grass. Apparently, they believe Ghost Grass will take over all the other grass and that’s how the world will end. They also call the sea “poison”…but that’s probably because they’re suspicious of anything that neither they nor their horses can drink without dying.
Another thing is the powers that be sent Dany all the way back to Vaes Dothrak. I knew when she walked out of there, she’d be leaving with something BIG! I thought it was her dead/undead baby. But it turned out to be the biggest, fiercest army ever! I presume the producers intend for us to actually see them in action.
Can you imagine the culture shock?! And, I don’t think they’ll be marching North. What if the Walkers march South?
Nerwen Aldarion,
With you 100% . Every major house has had at least one turncoat, Lannisters, Targaryans,Greyjoys, Baratheons,but not the Starks. Sansa already stated she had been a foolish little girl with foolish dreams. She only cares now about home. Which is why in the end I expect to see a Stark still standing, ruling the 7 kingdoms, be it Bran or Jon, or Arya or Sansa. G.R.R.M. said the end will be bittersweet, who for more so than a Stark, none of which want to be rulers? They only want to take care of their own, their land and their beloved Weirwoods. The selfishness, lies and greed of others have always made them have to step up, Bran didn’t want to be the 3 eyed Raven, Jon never wanted to be King, Ned didn’t want to be Robert’s hand and Benjen still fights for the living. The books started with this family and will end with this family, all of them reluctant heroes.The message is that in order to survive, we must take care of each other. Our family, our neighbors, our environment…and no one understands that better than the Starks.
Good thing Which means she is acting as a conqueror
Agree about dothraki and walkers ..I have been always saying that she will unite all dothraki and make them cross the sea and ride them into end of the world..
She is TSWmTw and she is like god to dothraki and what more is all of them have become bloddriders to dany..
Its going to be die with dany or fight for her…no more switching sides ..
And yes I believe dothraki will be useful against the walkers …they can use fire arrows from long distance against them
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
You forgot to Starks- gone ( unless our man Bran can make the babies )
Yeppers. And you know what, conqueror is all she may ever be when she finds out that, legally speaking, Jon is the true heir to Iron Throne…that’s if she finds out. But, I think Dany will not mind. She likes conquering – if Daario is to be believed – and she’s good at it.
Dothraki say that the Stallion who will Mount the World will unite all people and make them a single herd…or something like that.
The show has teased a matchup between Dothraki weapons and the broadsword and armor, so, I take it we’ll see that competition on screen. They’ve also mentioned, as you say, about firing arrows while in a gallop on horseback…I guess we’ll get to see some of that too! And then there’s the zenophobia in Westeros. They won’t like the Dothraki one bit. But, the Dothraki, among others, may save their lives.
Either way, I can’t wait.
Kargaryen,
Well he seemed pretty confident in season 6 lol. Either way, I really think they’re ditching the dragon horns. Perhaps they’ll even ditch the Horn of Winter and just let the Night King bring down the Wall once Bran passes through.
Back to Euron: I would like him to have that Valyrian armor tho, makes him even more formidable.
I figure he’ll capture Yara since she’s the stronger one and I just can’t endure seeing Theon captured AGAIN.
Euron/Cersei team-up sounds like music to my ears. I loved Asbæk’s performance and Cersei is so badass. Maybe they’ll even wed lol. Or Cersei tells Euron to defeat Deanery’s fleet and then they get to marry. But it would be cool to see Euron fighting Daenerys as a King, looking a little better dressed too lol.
Here’s what I think:
Sam is in Oldtown possibly with Jim Broadbent’s new character. He learns that dragons may be useful in defeating the WW. He knows through Aemon or learns at some point that Daenerys has dragons. She is heading to KL and is besieged at sea by Euron and Lannister forces. Sam might try to get a message to Jon that he needs to ally with Dany, streamlining two potential wars into one. Jon may promise to help Dany rescue Theon/ Yara and claim the Iron Throne in return for her help to defeat the WW.
As for Theon/ Yara, I don’t know who is captured. As much as I love them both now, I hope it is Theon rather than Yara who is captured.
I think it would make great strategic sense if he captured Theon. The reason being, is, Yara is Euron’s rival for the Salt throne. If he captures her, there is no reason to keep her alive as his rival would then be dead. He could claim the Salt throne and that part of the plot could come to an end. He also needn’t ally with Cersei.
Theon on the other hand can be used as a bargaining chip. Euron knows Yara would attempt to come to Theon’s rescue, and he could use this opportunity (if he’s foolish enough) to lure more of Dany’s forces to the Iron Islands. I think he will use one of the captives as a bargaining chip and this might be his undoing in the longer term.
Ramsay's 20th Good Man,
I totally agree with you. As another poster has pointed out though, he does have an heir. But that heir is the son of Edmure and Rosalyn Frey.
Will the Tullys accept a tainted heir – despite him being the legitimate heir?
IMO, I think it would be understandable if they turned to Sansa, rather than Edmure or Robyn (both weak rulers).
In the event that they want Edmure’s son to rule, Sansa could indeed rule as regent.
With regards to the “weak men ruling” theme, I wouldn’t actually be surprised to see them renege on this and revert to a strong men as rulers theme again.
The reason I fear this is because there has been much talk of Yara possibly being kidnapped by Euron, which could force Theon’s hand, thus leading him to become a better and stronger man, who possibly then goes on to inherit and rule the Iron Islands.
The irony of this principle of course is that in order for Theon to become a better man and realise himself as the leader he never knew he was, the one woman who has made all the sacrifices and has presented herself as a worthy and good potential leader, has to be diminished as a result (we saw this to a varying degree with Sansa and Theon).
It seems that maybe indirectly, the theme that in order to become a strong woman in the context of game of thrones, the women have had to suffer some sexual and physical violence or oppression as women to validate their status as strong women – Daenerys, Cersei, Sansa.
It seems to be the case – albeit indirectly – as much as the weak men will never rule or the redemption arcs.
We are all forgetting that dragons can be killed if one has the knowledge on how and put on a good plan. Cersie seems to have someone with a enough advance knowledge to keep the Mountain alive. Perhaps that same person can come up with ideas on how to kill one or two dragons. Another fact is the dothraky are manance on ground battle, but they will just be almost useless on sea battle when Euron brings up a surprise attack. How many seasons sea warriors does Yara and Theon has compared to what Euron has. Expect the unexpected.
Setting up for filming at the old Bangor Castle Leisure Centre this weekend maybe? Drove past a pink GOT sign near it.
Cersei and Euron are the last big bads before the WW and Night King, and i think this partneship will make some damage..Cersei is on her full madness stage right now and Euron is crazy as fuck. Cersei will have to join forces with him, since she is pretty much alone at this point.
Also, I think maybe Yara is going to be taken as prisoner, so we see Theon going full on action, after so much damaged.
All those scenarios are very likely.