Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 4 – Book of the Stranger – Open Chat

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Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 4 “Book of the Stranger”

Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Daniel Sackheim
Runtime: 59 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
Video Preview: Full episode 4 preview on YouTube

Synopsis: Tyrion strikes a deal. Jorah and Daario undertake a difficult task. Jaime and Cersei try to improve their situation.

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    1. Jansa!!!!
      Can’t bloody wait, and 59 minutes ?
      Sounds like a dream, can’t wait for tonight ^^
      The wall is going to be packed with brilliant character interactions 🙂

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    2. It is always such a pleasure each week to see that the Open Chat is finally there. It means the show will start soon!

      Is it me or are the pictures and preview not so exciting this week? Except maybe for Sansa. Where is she arriving?

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    3. Jon snow, edd, Davos, Melesendre, Tormund, wun wun, Sansa, Brienne, and podrick all at the wall ?
      The hype is to real right now….

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    4. If Jon and Sansa are about to meet I hope it happens soon. I want the last 10-15min for the big Vaes Dothrak scene.

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    5. jonathan:
      Bearded Onion,

      Will it happen though? I mean, Jon conveniently left Castle Black just about as a reunion was right around the corner.

      Jon has not left the wall, he just walk to another part of Castle Black.

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    6. Flayed Potatoes,

      I want more Bran and his visions but I doubt we will get him this episode. Looks like he’s sitting this one out, sadly. Episode 5 better show us the rest of Tower of Joy or imma be pissed!

      Jansa better happen tonight too 😀

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    7. Connor,

      I’ve resigned myself to the fact that Bran will sadly skip this episode 🙁

      I hope episode 5 gives us all the answers.

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    8. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      In the teaser the Pink Letter is read by Ramsey.

      I would love that… to hear Ramseys voice reading the letter while Jon is looking at it.

      I can totally see that happening tonight, that “Winterfell is mine, come and see” line has to bee part of the pink letter.

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    9. I want this to happen

      Dothraki raised in shouts of fear and terror, and Ser Jorah calling her name and cursing. No, she wanted to shout to him, no, my good knight, do not fear for me. The fire is mine. I am Daenerys Stormborn, daughter of dragons, bride of dragons, mother of dragons, don’t you see? Don’t you SEE? With a belch of flame and smoke that reached thirty feet into the sky, the pyre collapsed and came down around her. Unafraid, Dany stepped forward into the firestorm, calling to her children

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    10. Will tonight be the first big CGI set piece of the season? It’s also the first beefy episode of the season clocking in at 59 minutes 🙂

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    11. And I also looking forward to dany scene with dosh khaleen as much as the last scene ..please god give Emilia and dany something to work with

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    12. Connor,

      Why wud you want the reveal to the biggest mystery in all of asoiaf to be in a random episode 5???
      Thats gotta happen at a climactic point when the reveal actually matters….

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    13. I’m sure that “Book of the Stranger” will be a great episode, as they all are. But really, all that I require from this particular hour of television is for Jon and Sansa to reunite and share a nice long hug. That moment alone would go a long way towards healing my heart after Spurs broke it into a thousand bloody pieces today.

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    14. Very interested to see who Ser Jorah was fighting in the preview. If you try and pause the clip at the right time it almost looks like Daario!

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    15. HelloThere,

      That’s what a lot of people here think, and the summary for episode 5 is “Bran learns a great deal” it could happen episode 5, that’s what I think, it could also be the White Walkers, who knows really.

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    16. HelloThere:
      Connor,

      Why wud you want the reveal to the biggest mystery in all of asoiaf to be in a random episode 5???
      Thats gotta happen at a climactic point when the reveal actually matters….

      Jack Bender shot TOJ, his episodes are #5 The Door and #6 Blood of my Blood so in all likelihood it will happen in one of those…

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    17. Belacel,

      I slightly agree. I’m almost certain that it’s that way on purpose though. Episode 4 always has something great in it. Birth of the Shadow Baby in season 2 episode 4, Dany gets the Unsullied in season 3, White Walker baby in season 4, and then back to the Dany storyline in season 5 with Barristan’s death.

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    18. First 3 episodes in and D&D have proven that they can still write fantastic television without the books.

      I watched the Tower of Joy scene over 10 times so far and it gets better each time.

      My only hope for this episode is that Sansa and Jon meet and don’t have some of “just missed” story arc.

      I really feel like the two sides are starting to take shape…. The North vs South….

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    19. nggahhhhhh! I couldn’t sleep last night and the wait seems twice as long! I’m so anxious and excited we may see Sansa & Jon…. together?!?! 😀

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    20. jonathan,
      He didn’t leave, he was talking through an archway to another part of the castle and they cut to black. Why would he mic drop and leave with just the clothes on his back–no plan, no Davos, no Ghost? It was for dramatic effect, not meant to be taken literally.

      That being said, if there is a Jonsa near miss tonight, there will be one coffee table in Arizona getting flipped Real Housewives style.

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    21. im so hyped for kingslanding

      plz let cersei choose violence…

      i want my mother of madness to finally let loose!

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    22. All I’d like is for a little levity in Theon’s life at some point again – too much to ask? Constantly beaten down. Likely more with Euron. Enough!

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    23. Just give us a Stark reunion. We deserve one. Otherwise really looking to Dothraki and Iron Born stuff.

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    24. Book of the Stranger is possibly the first bit of show-first/only-introduced lore. I can’t wait to see what it refers to.

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    25. Dan Stark:
      Stark reunion has to happen! Been too long. The north remembers!

      “The North Remembers But D&D Make ‘Em Forget!!”

      I’m feeling almost positive they gonna do yet another Bran-Jon (x2) , Rob/Cat-Arya style near-miss!!

      These Stark near-misses are like a GoT cliche now…that and the fan-favorite-knocked-down-in-battle-but-suddenly-saved-by-an-unexpected-stab-in-the-back-of-the-attacker – which I feel we gonna get with Daeny in Dosh Khaleen

      Here’s the one’s of that second cliche I remember:
      Jon-Karl / Catelyn-an attacker (when she had Tyrion captured S1, Tyrion saved her) / Jon-Ygritte / Jorah-Fighter in Mereen pit / Missandei-Harpy guy in the Mereen pit / Tyrion-Mandon Moore (Battle of Blackwater) / Ned-Dayne / Pod-boltoner

      Can also add:
      Bran-Lannister assassin in S1 / Bran-wight outside TER cave / Daenerys-Sons of Harpy in pit – and possibly this ep with Daenerys-Khals (Pets decided to tease their masters and come at the last possible moment)

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    26. I am hoping to see: 1) RICKON 2) what northern shitstorms have blown down into the Vale 3) Jon packing up his books from Aemon & strolling out with Ghost. What I not-so-secretly want (need) to see: 1) Jon tagging alongside Tormund’s crew 2) Jon and Sansa losing their minds with grief and happiness 3) Tormund & Brienne meeting 4) Rickon living through Ramsay’s disaster

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    27. GoTFan:
      Very interested to see who Ser Jorah was fighting in the preview. If you try and pause the clip at the right time it almost looks like Daario!

      !! I thought this too, but am too tech-unsavvy to get a better look. Why are the boys squabbling when mommy is in such danger? Will

      Daario be revealed to be someone else (FM?) or to have another agenda concerning Daeny?

      Looking forward to more Alfie Allan emoting. He’s fabulous again this season!

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    28. What I hope to see…
      a Jon and Sansa hug
      Theon chatting with Uncle Euron
      Something exciting in the KL story line; maybe a death or two

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    29. I dunno why, but somehow I’m not really excited about Jon meeting with Sansa. Prefer they won’t meet…and Sansa should go different path to looking for Arya :”” (my most wanted Stark reunion)

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    30. Winterstars:
      I dunno why, but somehow I’m not really excited about Jon meeting with Sansa. Prefer they won’t meet…and Sansa should go different path to looking for Arya :”” (my most wanted Stark reunion)

      I’m not excited because they weren’t close to each otherk. I’d care much more if that was a Jon/Arya or Arya/Sansa reunion.

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    31. I really love the title Book of the Stranger, there is just something cool about it. However, I don’t expect anything mindblowing from this episode – I’m sure it’s another good hour of TV though.

      Things I look forward to: Stark reunion (or Jansa as people say), Greyjoy reunion (I guess it’s Thara then? Or Thasha for bookwankas :D), perhaps some FrankenGregor action(?), and Dany’s storyline moving forward (hopefully). Am I forgetting something? Oh yes, sneaky mister Baelish.

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    32. Winterstars:
      I dunno why, but somehow I’m not really excited about Jon meeting with Sansa. Prefer they won’t meet…and Sansa should go different path to looking for Arya :”” (my most wanted Stark reunion)

      We are 100% getting a Sansa and Arya reunion at some point, most likely in S7. That too will be amazing and begin a great arc for them both.

      I feel like Sansa and Jon reuniting and battling to retake WF would be extremely satisfying because both of them wanted nothing else but to leave WF in aGoT/S1 and both had naive childish thoughts on how society worked, they were both kinda arrogant at the start, both feel like they’ve let down their family and some other stuff. Jon and Sansa have more in common than people think, watching them both embrace their Stark heritage together and being the ones to restore order to the north is going to be amazing.

      Bring on Jansa, BRING ON JANSA!

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    33. Winterstars:
      I dunno why, but somehow I’m not really excited about Jon meeting with Sansa. Prefer they won’t meet…and Sansa should go different path to looking for Arya :”” (my most wanted Stark reunion)

      Same here.

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    34. I’m guessing a Stark reunion will happen because in the show version of the story, Bastard Bowl will be sparked at least in part by Ramsay’s treatment of Sansa and now, of Rickon. It’ll have more impact if he hears it first hand. I could be wrong, but I’m hoping it will happen.

      I also hope to see Drogon back in action.

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    35. Kargaryen,

      Yes they weren’t close in the book and not much interaction between those two..so, I imagine their reunion will be kinda awkward and weird…I dunno tho. Sansa used to call him “half-brother” and I don’t really know if she really considers him as brother or not.

      Oh yes! Jon/Arya or Sansa/Arya would be very good indeed!

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    36. Ned’s Direwolf,

      Soo, you are complaining about two things that you are guessing that could happen in this episode?

      I’m almost 100% sure the near-miss wont happen, but there is no use to argue about that – we’ll see soon enough.

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    37. Ashara D,

      My idea is that

      Daario may see Jorah as a threat to Dany. (Perhaps he finds out about the greyscale?) then uses their mission as an opportunity to kill Jorah and save his queen alone and in turn him looking like a true hero.

      Also can’t wait to see more Euron!!

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    38. I want Tormund and Brienne to interact lmao.

      In fact, I wouldn’t mind an entire episode with Jon, Sansa, Mel, Davos, Edd, Pod, and Tormund doing things. STARKVERNGERS ASSEMBLE!!

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    39. Winterstars: Sansa should go different path to looking for Arya :”” (my most wanted Stark reunion)

      Yeah! Arya should be able to hit Sansa with oranges from 50 meters by now.

      r-hard: I think she will be one of those who gets burned alive on a cross by Ramsay to provoke the wildlings. :/

      Except, who is she to the Wildlings? It is not as if they all know each other! Personally, I think it more probable that Osha escapes with a new dog-skin cloak from one of Ramsay’s little hunts, and winds up warning someone of Rickon’s fate. Still, it is all just empty speculation at this point.

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    40. WildlingKing:
      Ned’s Direwolf,

      Soo, you are complaining about two things that you are guessing that could happen in this episode?

      I’m almost 100% sure the near-miss wont happen, but there is no use to argue about that – we’ll see soon enough.

      Not really complaining at all pal! Just saying why I think they’ll happen, cos they’ve been happening regularly every season, including this one so far.

      Yep we’ll see…I really hope not too.

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    41. So hyped for tonight! Methinks I need to calm the fuck down and actually go to bed, like now, so I can wake up at 6am-ish to watch the episode (the joys of being in Europe).

      Usually I make a huuuuuge effort to wait, avoid the internet like the plague and then watch it Monday night with others, but I had a shitty weekend and I refuse to wait!

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    42. Looking forward to this episode. Expecting it to be similar to episode 2 – Very good, while not being depressing/worrying.

      PS. Which episodes this season is Bryan Cogman writing? Just curious.

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    43. Flayed Potatoes,

      That’s a woman worthy of Tormund Giantsbane. In one of the promo photos it seems like someone or something caught his attention. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Brienne. Can you imagine him being flirty with her. muhaha

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    44. Ned’s Direwolf,

      Ookay 😀 I’ve said it somewhere before but I’ll say it again: those earlier times the characters didn’t meet for a reason – their stories were going to a complete different directions. Best examples being the Craster’s Keep Jon-Bran (where Jojen even says that Bran must choose between Jon and 3ER) and the Arya-Sansa at Bloody Gate/Eyrie (where those two meeting would’ve seriously derailed Arya’s storyline). This time I just don’t see a reason why Sansa and Jon couldn’t meet – Both of their storylines is heading towards Bastardbowl.

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    45. Kargaryen:
      Alfie just posted a BTS picture of him and Gemma. Excited for them tonight as well!

      OMG *squee* So.looking.forward! to Yara/Theon reunion 🙂

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    46. Ashara D,

      I’m pretty sure Jorah fights a Dothraki. What is more interesting to me is that all Vaes Dothrak scenes are at night

      maybe we will see the “hut” burning so we might see Drogon in action. Personally, I’d prefer Daeny to burn it on her own by overhrowing a brazier

      I thought we will see Jon-Sansa reunion this episode but… wouldn’t it just be simply stupid for Sansa team to go straight to Castle Black? Maybe

      they will go toward Bear Island (away from Ramsey) and reach Deepwood Motte in this episode (in ep 3 we have learned that the Glovers had just retaken it)?

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    47. GoTFan:
      Very interested to see who Ser Jorah was fighting in the preview. If you try and pause the clip at the right time it almost looks like Daario!

      That’s Akho. One of the dothrakis, who were discussing how they’d love to bang Dany in 601. The one who has shorter hair.

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    48. Mihnea,

      I think that will be next week. It looks like Sam and Gilly have the episode off, as do Bran and Arya.

      I believe it was confirmed from filming spoilers that Sam and Gilly arrive at Horn Hill in a Jack Bender episode, interrupting a family dinner.

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    49. dragonbringer:
      And I also looking forward to dany scene with dosh khaleen as much as the last scene ..please god give Emilia and dany something to work with

      The thing is we already saw what i expect we will see this episode in regards to Dany.
      Dany getting unburnt and Drogon coming to the rescue is old news, i hope they will come up with something more then that.

      I predict the shot of a giant Drogon flying over the khalissar in daylight is when Dany rides him over her newly acquired army in Ep 5 or 6.

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    50. The book of the Stranger, ayyyy? And with good old Queen Cersers alluding to a trial by combat so recently, ayyyyyyy? I suppose it hardly needs saying, but GET HYPE.

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    51. Looking forward to a possible Sansa/Jon reunion. But this is GoT, so who knows?
      Also Theon back in the II. And believe it or not, I am looking forward to Dany’s story moving forward.

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    52. Flayed Potatoes:

      In fact, I wouldn’t mind an entire episode with Jon, Sansa, Mel, Davos, Edd, Pod, and Tormund doing things. STARKVERNGERS ASSEMBLE!!

      We need a scene like Daenerys had when she first got the Unsullied with the 3 dragons flying above, Daeny on her horse, Jorah & Selmy star-struck and the awesome army formation – but a Stark-N. Westeros version instead of a Targaryen-Essos version.

      Maybe a snowy landscape, the Northern Stark loyalist banners forming a colossus army, with battle-ready wildlings roaring in a squadron of their own with a giant or two; Jon leading them all with Stark banners flailing in the wind; Sansa & Arya riding on one side, Davos (holding Stark banner) and Melisandre on the other and the red-eyed Ghost and gold-eyed Nymeria leading a pack of white wolves in front of them…

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    53. Dazor Ahai,

      Hope not. But characters are now dying like a flies these days. As we’re approaching the endgame. Want to see him in Westeros.

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Jaime who? 😀 When was the last time he saw woman like that. It could create a funny moment in rather serious, sad atmosphere.

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    54. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      That’s why iam looking forward to the conversation between dany and dosh khalleens and her speech with khals ..

      Agree with your prediction ..I have been saying that since we saw that shot ..that shot is obviously from dany’s point of view on top of drogon.

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    55. Dazor Ahai,

      I don’t think so ..atleast I hope not

      If they follow the books then he will be ending the series as 1000th LC of newly formed NW along with surviving unsullied army.IMO

      When I mean follow the books..it’s pretty obvious he will reach westeros and there are certain things like dany promising him a great valyrain sword and jeor asking sam to tell jorah to take the black

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    56. My guesses yes Jon and Sansa reunion happens. We have to start building up to episode 9. The pink letter arrives. Next few episodes will have Sansa and Davos building support from the remaining northern clans.

      I think Loras might die today.

      Most of the episode will be about Dany hopefully it will be interesting because her story has been boring. It needs to move forward.

      Greyjoy reunion. Not sure if Uncle Euron shows up.

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    57. r-hard: George R.R. Martin is that you? Yeah…i don’t think so. So just shhhh…

      Give him time! I mean, the earliest you could expect GRRM to finish a post would be next month, right?

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    58. Ned’s Direwolf,

      Don’t forget Summer and Bran!! They can take one of Littlefinger’s teleporters and arrive right in the midst of the action lol. With a triumphant version of the Stark theme music of course.

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    59. JORAH dies.
      rickon dies
      osha dies
      small john Umber dies
      mereen is under seige by the wise masters.
      Dario the traitor
      Sansa crowned queen in the north.
      Arya gets a mission.

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    60. r-hard,

      I have added IMO and why I think that will happen in the books..happy now ..

      Ofcourse NW will be over and wall will be destroyed …
      That’s why I said he will be LC of newly formed watch where the remaining unsullied will join the watch …this instance after the war of long night …either they take the black after dany dies and battle is won or dany gives him the unsullied and valyrian sword and makes him the New LC

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    61. Hope tonight the Starks and other wanderers begin/continue to kick some butt …There are still many they need to take out before they fight the white walkers! Lannisters, Boltons, Freys, slavers, Little Finger…Is there enough time for all of this to happen before the show runs its course?

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    62. newbietothegame,

      I think with his grayscale getting worse, he’ll have one more blaze of glory to save Dany, I don’t think it looks good for Ser Friendzone.

      Add to that we saw…

      only Dany and Dario at the head of the Khalasar in the leaked shooting pics.

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    63. Sky Atlantic apparently released the “Previously On” video for Episode 4 on their Facebook page.

      It includes the following scenes:
      -Jorah finding Dany’s ring.
      -Dany meeting the Dosh Khaleen.
      -Smalljon Umber delivering Rickon and Osha to Ramsay.
      -Sansa telling Theon they just need to make it to Castle Black and to Jon; Theon saying that Brienne will keep Sansa safe and that he will go home.
      -Euron throwing Balon from the bridge.
      -Varys revealing that the Masters of Astapor, Yunkai, and Volantis fund the Sons of the Harpy.
      -Margaery asking the High Sparrow to let her see Loras.
      -Robin Arryn hugging Baelish; Littlefinger telling Cersei that Robin heeds his advice.
      -Littlefinger asking Yohn Royce and Anya Waynwood to back Robin as the Lord of the Vale.
      -Jon descending the stairs post-resurrection; Davos telling him to go on; Jon declaring that his watch is ended.
      Sky Atlantic also released this tweet that features an apparently new clip of Ramsay eating an apple off a knife. If it’s from tonight’s episode, there may be a scene in Winterfell after all. https://twitter.com/skyatlantic/status/731891953382481920

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    64. Cogman’s tweet sure sounds interesting. It’s obviously going to be part of the KL story line. Is it simply some background info? Possible, but hardly worth naming the entire episode after it. If a major death is going to be part of the story there this week, it can only really be Loras. Could it be that he’s tried and executed all in this episode, with the “book of the stranger” being referred to during the sentencing?

      We know

      Margaery defects to the FM to free herself from prison. Did she finally give in and testify against her brother, who then promptly gets shanked? She may or she may not have truly converted, but either way it’s plausible she testifies. If she’s just pretending, she may not have known that Loras would get killed, or at least not so quickly.

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    65. Bearded Onion,

      If the reunion happens even relatively like what i imagined it then this is by far my favorite episode of the whole show so far, i don’t care about anything else in the episode. Now let us have our fingers crossed my fellow watchers.

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    66. Wimsey: Is it really a reunion when it is their first scene together?

      While there weren’t pages in the books where they spent time together and the only scene in the show they were on screen together was in the courtyard for the king’s arrival in episode one, they are blood and were raised in the same castle. Time and awful events can make family members closer. They grew up with the same father, siblings, people of Winterfell, and neither of them have seen anyone else that shares that bond since Ned’s beheading.

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    67. Flayed Potatoes:
      Ned’s Direwolf,

      Don’t forget Summer and Bran!! They can take one of Littlefinger’s teleporters and arrive right in the midst of the action lol. With a triumphant version of the Stark theme music of course.

      Yeah, Bran and Rickon can be on 1 side of Jon each, and Summer will join his 2 siblings to give the pack a three-fold leadership…

      Tbh if it was another fantasy show we couldve been accurately guessing the ending, but GoT wont give us the pleasure.

      Anyway, a question I hope becomes relevant in the show:

      Won’t Brienne having a Lannister sword made of Lord Eddard’s sword itself be a bit scandalous and mortifying to Jon and/or Arya…Sansa hasn’t cared so far!

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    68. dragonbringer:
      Dazor Ahai,

      I don’t think so ..atleast I hope not

      If they follow the books then he will be ending the series as 1000th LC of newly formed NW along with surviving unsullied army.IMO

      When I mean follow the books..it’s pretty obvious he will reach westeros and there are certain things like dany promising him a great valyrain sword and jeor asking sam to tell jorah to take the black

      The problem with that is the greyscale that D&D gave him, thereby appropriating the storyline of a different character in the book…and one would think that would give him plot armor at least until Westeros…but the title “Blood of My Blood” for 6.06 is quite ominous indeed on the Jorah front, I think.

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    69. dragonbringer:
      Dazor Ahai,

      I don’t think so ..atleast I hope not

      If they follow the books then he will be ending the series as 1000th LC of newly formed NW along with surviving unsullied army.IMO

      When I mean follow the books..it’s pretty obvious he will reach westeros and there are certain things like dany promising him a great valyrain sword and jeor asking sam to tell jorah to take the black

      You actually believe that at the end of the series there will still be a Night’s Watch and The Wall will stand along with castle outposts protecting Westeros from the dangers north? You don’t think there will be a climactic clash with a resolution? That would essentially put everything back into an equal state as it was when the series began…

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    70. I don’t think Jorah’s going to get killed. Him and Daario are probably going to get captured (and can thank the Dothranki religious laws for not getting slaughtered outright), leading to a funny “Oh, you were here to rescue me? Well, thank the gods for that!” bit from Dany, before she’s doing her big scene.

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    71. George,

      Well he can also take a leaf out of another character who got his hand cured by a certain red priest …atleast thats what i have been saying from the moment he got grescale ..

      But I agree there is a possiblity that he may die sadly ..dany jorah team was there from episode 1 and yes they had ups and down between them but both cares for each other ..and with Barristan gone I hope jorah stays .

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    72. Jared,

      Uh oh…think that he may be eating that and looking at Osha and Rickon? Is this perhaps where the

      “Do you like games, little man?” line from the trailer comes in?

      Shivers!

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    73. Winterstars,

      Why would you prefer they DON’T? Sansas plight is perfect fuel for Jons next step. Though I’m starving for ANY Stark reunion.

      Arya and Sansa may never come to pass, sadly. Just have a hunch.

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    74. Clob,

      I think there will be a new order and realm after the war ..

      What i think will happen is they may try to build a new wall not huge as like now but something similar to remember by and to guard that new watch will be created ..

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    75. Ashara D:
      Jared,

      Uh oh…think that he may be eating that and looking at Osha and Rickon? Is this perhaps where the

      Shivers!

      That’s just a gif from a previous season it seems…during Theon’s Reek transformation scenes. Ramsay’s a bit more composed this season than he looks there

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    76. We might figure out whether we see the Tower of Joy is we learn the directors. The current one obviously directed some of the action. Was there another director involved? I believe I read somewhere that they filmed inside the Tower. Who was directing then? That should tell us around where that scene might be.

      I doubt Rickon will die that quick. Ramsey is certain to want to use him minimally for bait. Possibly to get Sansa back: “Come back or the kid dies.” Also, if he directly kills the kid he makes reconciliation impossible. He could blame Walder Frey and his father for the earlier deaths but not this one.

      I have him low on the kill list. It’s hard to get a good villain. Unless Euron is a bloody monster, he’s what we’ve got. I’d like to see the three dragons use him for a nice little soccer match.

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    77. Ned's Direwolf,

      I’m curious about the fate of both of the reforged swords. I think Tommen’s useless ass still has Widow’s Wail. Will Oathkeeper at least get a different pommel? If anything, HBO can sell more merchandise 😛

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    78. I’ve noticed that most of the footage from the two trailers have all been in the first few episodes, which is amazing. We have barely even SEEN what is to come in the next seven episodes!

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    79. Jared,

      It’s on their Fb page indeed! So we’ll go to WF in this ep after all! Surprising, certainly. Also of note, they showed Anya Waynwood in the vid. Might we see her again?

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    80. Jared,
      Interesting! Thanks for sharing!

      Ramsay looks very tired and somehow crazier than usual. Are these signs of him going downhill? I’d like to think so.

      Apart from that, yay to Pentecost and bad weather, so I can stay at home tomorrow without remorse and watch GoT as often as I want, have apple pie, chat online and read and watch all the reviews all day long!

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    81. Clob: While there weren’t pages in the books where they spent time together and the only scene in the show they were on screen together was in the courtyard for the king’s arrival in episode one,

      I do not think that Jon is in that scene, or in the feast scene. Bastards are kept out of the Queen’s sight, after all.

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    82. What if at the time of Jon, Sansa and company left Castle Black, they split?

      Sansa, Davos, Melisandre (? and some Wildlings or guys left of the Nights Watch go to Bear Island and, probably, other locations to recruit House Mormont, Hornwood, etc.

      And Jon, Tormund, Edd and the other half of Nights Watch guys and Wildlings go to White Harbor, Barrowton (? or other locations to recruit House Manderly, House Dustin or other Houses..

      I don´t know, that would be SICK.

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    83. r-hard:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,
      Ramsay will tell to Jon that ”Winterfell is mine. Come and see…(bastard?).”eye to eye.

      this is what I am thinking too…the Pink Letter was awesome to read in the books.. but show wise it would be much more dramatic to have Ramsay come to CB to make his demands in PERSON.. and his parting line to Jon will be “Winterfell is mine.. Come and see”..and Jon does.. in episode 9

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    84. I don’t know about anyone else, but I really love how every episode starts off at the Wall.
      so the beginning is sansa and crew arriving at Castle black ^^

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    85. Wimsey,

      Jon is standing behind Ned..slightly to the right in the scene when Robert arrives at winterfell ..Kit is shaved so he looks slightly different (I have always wondered if this was a scene from the ORGINAL pilot and the shaving scene was added later to explain it lol)

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    86. Wimsey: I do not think that Jon is in that scene, or in the feast scene.Bastards are kept out of the Queen’s sight, after all.

      Yes, he was. He was standing a few rows behind the family.

      * beat to it.

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    87. Glamorous:
      I thought we will see Jon-Sansa reunion this episode but… wouldn’t it just be simply stupid for Sansa team to go straight to Castle Black?

      People were arguing that on a theoretical level before, but the fact is simple: Sansa decided to go to Castle Black in 602, and nobody raised objections. If they were going to turn and head elsewhere, we’d have seen that in 603. Moreover, they expressed the opinion that they’d be untouchable in Castle Black, an opinion Roose Bolton evidently shared, so that’s the conventional thought on the matter.

      Plus, in any event, they don’t know which other Northern noble house can necessarily be trusted, and certainly not to be preferred to Jon.

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    88. Dutch Maester,

      I’d love to see Anya Waynwood again – I thought she was great in her lone appearance back in Season 4. My guess would be no, however, since Robin was being fostered at Runestone with Lord Royce the last time we saw him, and Lady Waynwood didn’t appear to be there. We also haven’t heard anything about Paola Dionisotti returning, though it’s always possible that something got past us. So I won’t pin any hopes on it, but it would certainly be a nice surprise if she did show up again!

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    89. Jared,

      We often don’t hear about returning guest stars (I don’t believe we would know Rupert Vansittart was back if he hadn’t said so directly), but all the same, I don’t think it’s all that likely we’ll see her. Royce is the Vale Guy, and they probably don’t need another. I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing her again though.

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    90. Clob: Yes, he was.He was standing a few rows behind the family.

      * beat to it.

      ** He’s actually standing directly behind Sansa between Hodor and Maester Luwin.

      I went to HBO Go to rewatch the scene for the fun of it. When I started the episode there was an HBO promo with a couple huge GoT spoiler shots. That’s not cool for new viewers.

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    91. lyanna_Targaryen:
      Winterstars,

      Why would you prefer they DON’T? Sansas plight is perfect fuel for Jons next step.

      Some people prefer DO and some people prefer DON’T
      Because it’s just hard for me to see they meet, like I said before it will be awkward and weird, since those two were not really getting along well.

      I know nothing about Jons next step, and maybe Sansa plight might be perfect fuel, or maybe not if the writers can think 1001 another ways for it.

      Not like I hate the idea though. At least I like show!Sansa better than book!Sansa

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    92. I ain’t going to speculate on anything which may (or probably will not) happen in this episode. I agree a reunion with Jon and Sansa at The Wall would be nice, but would be surprised if that happens in E4. Also interesting to see how Jorah and Daario get on in their quest to find Dany and Yara’s reaction to Theon back in Pyke – She doesn’t look too pleased to see him again!

      For me this will be a 2am via Sky Atlantic session. I also like to re-watch it Monday evening at 9pm via Sky as invariably I miss things the first time round. I’m just happy to go along with what little we’ve seen from the trailer and see how things pan out.

      Good news that this episode has a 59 minute running time 🙂

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    93. Sean C.,

      Agreed. Yohn Royce is likely going to be our stand-in for all of the Vale Lords other than Robin from this point on – especially because I doubt Lady Waynwood will be leading any armies. But yeah, it would be nice to see her.

      I don’t believe that we’ll see Vance Corbray either – although it’s worth noting that in the Histories & Lore video on Valyrian Steel, Lady Forlorn is cited as one of the Valyrian Steel swords that still exists in Westeros (another is Heartsbane, the Tarly sword). It would be interesting if that sword winds up coming North – although if it does, I doubt it would become relevant until Season 7.

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    94. Matthew The Dragon knight,

      I don’t care if there is other big scenes in this episode, with the potential reunion i want a considerable screen time for Wall tonight. I prefer the reunion happens at the beginning then another scene with them together towards the end of episode.

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    95. selena: this is what I am thinking too…the Pink Letter was awesome to read in the books.. but show wise it would be much more dramatic to have Ramsay come to CB to make his demands in PERSON.. and his parting line to Jon will be “Winterfell is mine.. Come and see”..and Jon does.. in episode 9

      Sansa, Davos, Mel leave the Wall in ep 5 we know this from the images released.

      It is highly doubtfull that Jon would stay in CB after his My watch has ended line where Ramsey could come and visit his using the Litlefinger teleport device… so no eye to eye is not happening.

      The Pink Letter may not be sent to the Wal this Ep, we could just see/hear Ramsey writing it.

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    96. Winterstars,

      I think that’s why I AM so excited to see it. They never even had a scene together, but she grew up with him; he’s nostalgically familiar to her, something she hasn’t had since Ned’s head was lopped off. I think that would be incredibly powerful moment. But like you said, different people, different preferences.

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    97. Sooo, I just want to know if we are seeing the conclusion to the ToJ Bran vision.

      Does anyone know or will D&D make us wait a few more weeks?

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    98. JANSA PLEEEEEEASE!!!
      Can’t watch it live (2am here) so hope you all enjoy it! If Jansa happens can some of you sqeeeeeeee/shed a tear for me please. Also give Loras a big hug ’cos I feel he is not long for this world. If, as I fear, it’s due to his sister it’ll be kick the tv in time 🙁 I HATE apples and the sound of people eating them; just when I thought I couldn’t hate Ramsay any more than I already do >_< Catch up with you all tomorrow. Night night *waves goodbye* 😀

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    99. I wonder if ‘stranger’ also refers to…

      The name of the Hound’s horse, and we may see that potential plot tonight? [/ spoiler]

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    100. Connor:
      What the fuck is a Lommy?,

      I doubt that Edd and the remains of the Nights Watch would just abandon the Wall like that.

      maybe they just left because of the White Walkers… realize, of course, that it is impossible to defend the Wall, if they stay in Castle Black, they are dead.

      also, in the Trailer 2 in the shot of Sansa on the battle, you can see a Nights Watch guy on the back.

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    101. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Winterstars,

      I think that’s why I AM so excited to see it. They never even had a scene together, but she grew up with him; he’s nostalgically familiar to her, something she hasn’t had since Ned’s head was lopped off. I think that would be incredibly powerful moment. But like you said, different people, different preferences.

      Exactly my feelings…it’s what’ll make this particular Stark reunion unique to any other possible pairing (wait, we haven’t seen any Benjen-Arya/Sansa/Bran interactions too. Those’ll have an interesting dimension to them too).

      Another reason is that it’s between the most meek, abused and innocent Stark sibling on one hand, and the most strong, experienced and valiant on the other.

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    102. First time poster here in the comments! Question about the Open Chat. Is it in this comments section, or, is there an app that opens up a wee chat box? ‘Cos I don’t see it on the site if that’s the case.

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    103. Clob,

      Ah, I did not remember him being there.

      Glamorous: I thought we will see Jon-Sansa reunion this episode but… wouldn’t it just be simply stupid for Sansa team to go straight to Castle Black?

      Yeah, it would be. However, Sansa is in “flight” mode, and Brienne & Pod would not necessarily be aware that Ramsay would expect her to go there. So, the people thinking clearly do not know that it is necessarily a bad idea, and the people who know it’s a bad idea are not thinking clearly.

      At this point, I could see it going either way. The door has been both positively identified as the Castle Black doors and positively shown to not be those doors.

      My thoughts are conflicted. From the perspective of plot, I would have thought that they would have shown us Brienne and/or Pod learning that Ramsay would expect Sansa to flee to Castle Black last episode. However, from the perspective of story, I expect Jon and Sansa to independently try to line up alliances. Of course, for the first time, we are in the dark as to what they story is this year: and that makes it harder to be certain about what generally needs to be accomplished in the next 7 hours of TV.

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    104. I’ll be surprised if Sansa and Jon actually meet in this episode.

      “You just missed him, my lady.” Audience groans commence.

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    105. GoTFan:
      Very interested to see who Ser Jorah was fighting in the preview. If you try and pause the clip at the right time it almost looks like Daario!

      I am so happy to see someone bring this up. I had asked a few days ago on this forum is that were the two fighting but there were no replies so I thought I was alone and dropped it. Wheew, perhaps I’m not completely crazy ?

      The way that scene was cut one can see easiely see Jorah’s face but the other is craftely hidden in every shot.,

      So if it is Jorah and Daario – why? Did Jorah find something out about Daario? Was it Daario’s plan all along to eliminate Jorah (possibly also a reason Daario was so strong in refusing Tyrion to join them?)

      The mind wanders…

      Or, it isn’t Daario in which case the broQuest to find Daeny is undisturbed.

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    106. DriblyRedwyne:
      First time poster here in the comments! Question about the Open Chat. Is it in this comments section, or, is there an app that opens up a wee chat box? ‘Cos I don’t see it on the site if that’s the case.

      Welcome to WotW, you are in the right place. No wee chat box.

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    107. All I care about tonight is Theon’s and Yara’s scene. And whether Theon lives because if he doesn’t, my watch has ended.

      And I doubt we will see Jon and Sansa meet.

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    108. Lulus Mum,

      Methinks Cersei will give Olenna a choice: Marge walks, OR – her honor can be defended thru trial by combat: Loras vs Ser Gregor.

      And I saw a prosthetic head for Finn in the VFX special

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    109. If Jon and Sansa don’t meet this episode it will be the equivalent of pulling a cliffhanger episode a la the Walking Dead Negan Season Finale.

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    110. Arthur:
      Sooo, I just want to know if we are seeing the conclusion to the ToJ Bran vision.

      Does anyone know or will D&D make us wait a few more weeks?

      The actor that plays the young Rodrik Cassel indicated in his CV that he is in episode 5. So if there will be a Bran’s vision we might be back in Winterfell, Unless they do two of those next episode

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    111. My thoughts on series 6 so far:
      Red Woman:
      I liked this episode, regarding it as an opener. We were reminded, of how every person was in a situation, when we saw them in series five.
      The destruction of House Dorne is a logical continuity of the destruction of great (patriarchal) Houses in series before; even it was produced in not such a good manner. I think Dorne was represented in more quality back in series four with Oberyn and Ellaria, but the show should have go from this, from Oberyn, and what made him, what he is, like showing a flashback to his relations with his siblings and especially with Elia, that would have made an impact and a good background for Dorne. I just noticed the way Prince Trystane stabbed looked like his house emblem. And it was a continuity of the phrase: “All men must die, but women are not men!” and the general empowerment of women in GoT. Somehow the whole Dorne reminded of Spanish Men-Football; yes we know they are great, and you don’t want to hear every time, that FC Barcelona or Real Madrid is again the champion, but they are also boring as hell, in the way they play so overwhelming and the soul is lost, just look on a normal game day, all games are played on different times, this is not what makes a game day interesting and heartfelt.
      Jorah and Daario were good together and we had finally a chance to see a talk between them, and proverbial all the question marks in my head were turning in exclamation marks, how the ring will be found. The Mereen scene was a little bit funny, not more.In the Arya-scene I liked how in one camera position, the Titan was directly behind her, as it was a reminder on what a way she’ll go. The Roose-Ramsay-Scene was pure chocolate to us how good scenes can be with just two actors involved. The Scene with Daenerys was an improvement to let influence bad US-American comedy shows on the conversations with the two Dothraki and with the new Khal (I mean shows in which you are always hearing recorded laughers on scenes, who are supposed to be funny, but they aren’t. I don’t like this sort of shows; I don’t like to be instructed to find a scene humourful.) I liked how Emilia Clarke portrayed the handing out of all her last cards in behind.
      Now to one of my favourite scenes, Kingslanding, I admired the great acting skills of Lena Headey, when the ship arrived with her dead show-daughter. And I loved the scene between the twins, it was good that Cersei didn’t freaked out like on Joffreys death, it means she doesn’t let her emotions lead her in a quick-reaction and that she is glad to have Jaime back. And he does begin what I would call the Westerosi -Enlightenment with saying “Fuck Fate, Fuck Prophecy”.
      The Sansa and Theon-run was very good, and it reminded in a way that a scene is composed as a “Gesamtkunstwerk” with the perfect use of the music. The Fight-Scene with Brienne was great, even it had some logically errors and the oath-scene was very moving and finally Sansa has one person, who’ll do nothing but protect her. Margaery in the cells reminded, that she is different from Cersei, beloved by the poorer people and keeping her to long away could upset the crowd.
      Winterfell was fine, but I’m wondering, that Davos has such an interest in Jon, but maybe we’ll get a scene explaining his thoughts and intentions. Now the scene that has left the most impression on the screen: Melisandre revealing herself. For me it was a perfect example of an attack of (patriarchal) viewing settings. I’ve read a lot of awful commentaries of commenters, who watch the female-nude scenes with a hand in their pants. First, please don’t watch GoT like this; it’s a very disrespectful manner to watch Art, you wouldn’t do this in a theatre, in which you are also seeing Art. For me it was like a speech: “Yes, we’ll give you a nude scene, but you will regret it and you have to ask yourself what real beauty is.” I had a great respect for the elderly extra, who stepped in to do this scene. It reminded of an theatre-production I’ve seen a while in which an elderly background actor was sitting the whole play naked on a chair, and she was representing the knowledge and wisdom of our world and she gave with her presence a whole different point of view on the interpretation of the scenes.
      A good comparison of an attack of viewer settings is the final scene in series five with Jon’s death, because the declaration “For the watch” could be also for our watch, that were the murderer of Jon, because we wouldn’t be satisfied without it.

      Home:
      Theon is returning home, Sansa is asking for Arya, which gets stabbed, and who has an opportunity to redeem her and to return with more strength in the house of Black and White.
      Yaras talk with her father was wonderful and she does remind from the strong women of the show “The Vikings” in a special way. The scene between Balon and Euron had a feeling of the old western-films, in which a stand-out between two men are happening, I’ve head western music in my head with a big influence of very heavy rain. And I like that Pilou Asbaek is now in GoT , I liked his acting skills since I saw him in Borgen.
      The first Winterfell-scene was beautiful, a lot of call-backs where included and Hodor can speak. And I’m glad Max von Sydow is acting the three-eyed-raven, I Saw him before in “The Tudors”, in which he potrayed the Pope, he was stunning. And Meeras scene was a pure panorama for me.
      The Second Winterfell-scene was brutal, the first thing I thought in the stabbing-scene, that Roose murdered Ramsay, but when Roose fell to the ground. I’ll miss Michael McElhatton a lot; he portrayed Roose in such a fine manner. For me Roose was always a villain with a moral background and I’ll ask always myself what would have been different if Roose would have married Sansa, but I think this is Fanfiction-territory. The Walda-Baby-Ramsay scene was extremely brutal to watch, but I lied that Elizabeth Webster had her scene to play; often actresses with more weight have it difficult to have acceptance on screen. I’ll wonder if it has a consequence on the relationship Bolton-Frey, as we all know Walder Frey doesn’t like to be betrayed.
      The Dragonscene in Mereen was wonderful and you can see how different cultural backgrounds are clashing together: Tyrion-Varys-Grey Worm/Missandei.
      Now Kingslanding, I’m sorry, but I ship Cersei/Jaime feat Tyrells vs. High Sparrow. So this was very great for me. The Mountain smashing the drunken man on the wall was a pure demonstration of force. The next scene in which Cersei is forbidden to attend her daughter’s funeral was an improvement to that I mentioned previous she is more careful and she knows, she has to accept the situation and that violence against her own men is not a solution. Jaime talking with Tommen was a reminder to us, that Jaime has accepted now his fatherhood to his only child left. The talk with Jaime and High sparrow was a little bit like cats going around each other to have a first image, what the other is capable of. And I decoded the phrases: “I fear the mother, the father and the warrior” clearly in: Mother is Cersei, Father is Jaime and Warrior is the Mountain. And yes the high sparrow also reminds of Pope Francis and of the new Left-party-movement, which can be seen in different countries. Next, I loved the scene with Cersei and Tommen, yes I cried. And Tommen is really different from Joffrey, I would have been sure, what she would have slapped and yelled at him. It’s almost like when Joffrey was alive, the two were antagonists of their levelling up of verbal cruelty, and now that Joffrey is dead she has no more a child, who’s pushing her to her limits. Tommen’s loveliness is now affecting her. But I have a question with her hair, didn’t they have wigs in Westeros, so she could wear one?
      Now Castle Back, the return of the wildlings were for me a little bit of TV-magic, but I liked, that not so much fights were acting out, I was glad that it went down so quickly. The Davos-Melisandre was touching, but it was a little bit awkward that Davos cares so much and knows about resurrection, unless he sneaked out in Sam’s Library and read about it. But he eventually said also the famous words “Fuck the Goods, fuck them all”, what is a sign for the westerosi- Enlightenment going on. The resurrection was for me powerful in his simplify and more natural way. And the camera-positioning and the directing were a powerful work. And I gasped in the same moment as Jon and the music afterwards in the credits was pure icing on the end-scene.

      Oathbreaker:
      I’ll begin with Essos.
      Varys was good in the scene with the prostitute, and it showed me that he is the real Power player now, and Tyrion is just old-Tyrion, I didn’t liked the scene with trying to play with Missandei/Grey Worm, he’s falling back in his character development, in series five he begun to questioning himself with the dark star on his sky, that is killing his father and Shae and now? He tries what he was always tries. One thing, I liked about scene was the use of coloured light, it was all very green, when Daenerys was there, the light was clearer. Arya in training was good, and it was a great Idea to show this in a montage, so it had more speed in it. The mentioning of all the names characters left some question and exclamation marks. And she was finally getting her eyesight back. Daenerys arriving in Vaes Dothrak was good, and I’m looking forward to meet the other widows. And Daenerys is the first oathbreaker, with not following the dothraki traditions. Daenerys history arch does remind a lot of Kriemhild, who’s marrying Etzel. If anyone is familiar with the Nordic and German sagas, you can find a lot of them in GoT.
      The second breaker is Sam, who breaks his oath to Gilly to not leave her and his “Son”. I’m looking forward to meet the Tarlys and to see James Faulkner, he was great in Downton Abbey. Castle Back left some controversy in me, even though I know Alliser and Olly had to die, to have the obligatory three deaths in one episode. I would have it liked it more, if Jon would have be thoughtful and that he concluded that death could be no more a penalty to breakers, because he knows that’s awaiting them in death. It reminded me, that I’m lucky to live in a democracy in which death penalty is history and that some democratic countries have a long way to rethink their penalties, yes I’m looking to you USA. His new hairstyle reminded a little bit of Robbs hairstyle, a hint? The fourth breaker is young Umber with betraying the Starks and bringing Ramsay Rickon. And the westerosi- Enlightenment goes on with the young Umbers words: “Fuck the old way, fuck the traditions”.
      Now the ToJ, it was a really good scene, even I have to admit I have not the fully book-background to it, because I’m actually in reading process. And again a personification of the viewer in Bran was once again happening on screen, it was wonderful, because like Bran we want to know that’s really obvious in the Tower. The young Ned-actor did a good impression, and the maybe influence of Bran into the past does remind a lot of time-travel-films.
      Now to Kingslanding, my favourite place in Westeros. Qyburn acquiring the children was good, and it left a connecting to the drunken man in Home, one of the kid is talking about how is father is missing, so I think, the drunken man was the father of this child. Then I loved the interaction between the Mountain and Jaime, I love how slowly and with more preparation Cersei is reinforcing herself. The counsel-scene was a good pointing out, which parties in KL have to work together to overcome their shared enemy. The entrance with Cersei and Jaime was brilliant; I love how they show now their pair-strength, they remind me more of the most famous Twincest-Couple before GoT, Siegmund and Sieglinde in Richard Wagners Valkyrie. (I see a lot of the similarities between the Ring of the Nibelungs and Got) The scene with High Sparrow and the Tommen could have different outcomes, I think personally that Tommen realised that he has to play the game, even it means that he has to work “against” his mother to help her.

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    112. selena: this is what I am thinking too…the Pink Letter was awesome to read in the books.. but show wise it would be much more dramatic to have Ramsay come to CB to make his demands in PERSON.. and his parting line to Jon will be “Winterfell is mine.. Come and see”..and Jon does.. in episode 9

      I meant Jon goes to WF and when he is there he will negotiate with Ramsay or something and then will Ramsay say this line. I really don’t believe at all that Ramsay will go to CB.

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    113. Jon would never march on Winterfell unless he’s got a good reason to. He seems lost, confused and without a purpose. That plus literally it there was any twist it would’ve already happened. I wouldn’t be surpised if Sansa arriving at Castle Black is the very first scene of this episode. Usually where we ended previous episode, we start the next episode.

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    114. Singedbylife:
      All I care about tonight is Theon’s and Yara’s scene. And whether Theon lives because if he doesn’t, my watch is ended.

      And I doubt we will see Jon and Sansa meet.

      Really? Your decision to watch the series is based solely on Theon/Reek? Huh.

      I can’t come up with a reason why he would die in this episode. We know he gets to Pike and meets with Yara safely. I don’t think there’s a sole on the islands that would be threatened enough to kill him. The Kingsmoot certainly isn’t going result in the people voting for a timid, beaten-down eunuch as their new king.

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    115. Clob: Really? Your decision to watch the series is based solely on Theon/Reek?Huh.

      I can’t come up with a reason why he would die in this episode.We know he gets to Pike and meets with Yara safely.I don’t think there’s a sole on the islands that would be threatened enough to kill him.The Kingsmoot certainly isn’t going result in the people voting for a timid, beaten-down eunuch as their new king.

      Maybe Yara will keep him as advisor cos of the knowledge he got of Westerosis from his time under Ned and Robb, Iron Islands being away from inland Westeros his knowledge could be handy.

      If/when Yara ends up in Essos, she could drop Theon off with the Unsullied, and they can have therapy sessions together; Unsullied can teach him how to cope in life as a eunuch.

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    116. Wimsey:
      Yeah, it would be.However, Sansa is in “flight” mode, and Brienne & Pod would not necessarily be aware that Ramsay would expect her to go there.So, the people thinking clearly do not know that it is necessarily a bad idea, and the people who know it’s a bad idea are not thinking clearly.

      1) The journey to the Wall takes weeks. She has plenty of time to think clearly.
      2) Why would Brienne and Podrick not think Ramsay would expect her to go there? When they were debating where Sansa might have gone in episode 405, the Wall was literally the first thing they thought of; it they knew about it, logical to assume he would.

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    117. please tell me we get the rest of the tower of joy tonight I think it might kill me if we don’t

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    118. Clob,

      Clob,

      It’s that my heart and mind would need a long, long break before I could go on. I just can’t bear the thought of more horrible things happening to this character because I feel so damn sorry for him that it nearly hurts. And can you get 6 seasons into a show without getting a favorite character? I can’t.

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    119. Wimsey,

      I can’t see Osha leaving Rickon, unless it’s the only way she can save him. I can see Ramsay turning them loose in the forest so he & his hounds can chase them, but they get away.Just don’t know what to think. I hope Ramsay doesn’t kill Rickon. But I don’t hold out much hope.

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    120. I really don’t see why they would give Jorah greyscale only to kill him off before he can bring the disease to Westeros. He probably won’t survive the whole series, but he is almost certainly going with Dany to Westeros. Maybe Daario will try to kill him, but I don’t think he’d succeed.

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    121. Violencersei,

      I hate to ask you to elaborate on your already giant post (your hands must hurt already), but where do you see the similarities between the Ring and ASoIaF? I’ve never heard those two compared before and I can only think of some general themes (incest, violence, betrayal, epic saga) the two have in common. Did you have anything more specific in mind, especially as it relates to characters?

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    122. Not sure what to expect from this episode, but I’m sure it will be excellent nevertheless.

      Looking forward to a Jon and Sansa reunion. It’s been a looong time!

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    123. Sue and other moderators sorry for not covering my last comment with spoilers code I just assumed it was my own speculation.

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    124. Roz’s Ghost: I can’t see Osha leaving Rickon, unless it’s the only way she can save him. I can see Ramsay turning them loose in the forest so he & his hounds can chase them

      Ramsay will do it with Osha, but not Rickon: he likes hunting girls. However, he’s never hunted a Wildling before, and Osha might prove to be much more able that he is expecting.

      It might not happen: but it is one of many possibilities.

      weirwoodtreehugger: I really don’t see why they would give Jorah greyscale only to kill him off before he can bring the disease to Westeros.

      There are 13-14 episodes left after this season. They have to tie up the threads that have hung over the series since Season 1, particularly the Wars of the Umpteen Kings and the War of the Pseudogods. There will not be a greyscale epidemic in Westeros. Besides, wouldn’t that be a very arbitrary turn of events?

      Sean C.: 1) The journey to the Wall takes weeks. She has plenty of time to think clearly.
      2) Why would Brienne and Podrick not think Ramsay would expect her to go there?

      Sansa had not seemed to come to her senses entirely when we last saw her. Shock can last for more than a couple of weeks, after all.

      Brienne and Podrick might not know the entire background behind why Sansa thinks the Wall is a haven. Again, it could be a case where none of them know enough about the Wall to realize that this would not be a safe-haven if Ramsay pursues them there. The Wall and the Watch seems to be something about which southerners are too familiar, and pre-War Sansa was not the type to concern herself with such things.

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    125. Summary on my TV (little different)-

      “Tyrion makes a deal while stalling for Danaerys return; Theon tries to make amends for the past; Jorah and Daario realize their next move won’t be an easy one; Cersei discusses Margery’s future with Olenna.”

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    126. My husband swore he wouldn’t watch this season ( a man is a book fan). Finally got him to watch the first 3 episodes. Now we can watch this 4th one together. So stoked!

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    127. Conan Troutman,

      Nope, I’ve wrote it this week in a Word-Document in little steps and copied it over here, so my hand is fine. 🙂

      Yes I see character similarities.
      The possibility of Jon and Daenerys ending in a couple reminds of Siegfried and Brünnhilde of being nephew/aunt.
      The fire-funeral of Siegfried at the end of twilight of the gods and Brünnhilde stepping into it-Daenerys stepping into her husbands-funeral.
      The situation with Siegmund, Sieglinde and Hunding does remind me of Jaime/Cersei/Robert. Hunding does represent the same patriarchal stereotype like Robert Baratheon. And Siegmund is also hero, who hates to be a hero, because it brings a lot of pain whit it, a little bit like Jaime. Sieglinde loves also very much her child like Cersei does, but nothing more connects them two.
      Freia does remind me of Sansa in way. Loge of Varys and Littlefinger. Hagen in way of Tyrion. Siegfried is a micture of Joffrey, Tommen and Jon Snow. Gutrune of Margarey.
      And that in GoT most people want is the Throne, who is the power and in the Ring, who is the power is the Ring, but every wearer of the him does inflict a ( his own) death, what you can see likewise in GoT, the five kings wanted power and now they are dead.
      And Fafner turned himself in some sort of dragon.

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    128. Will we see Mycroft Holmes – I mean Tycho Nestoris – this season? Tyrion could ‘strike a deal with Braavos’ to control the money flow of the slavers, since they are both anti-slavery.

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    129. My prediction: Episode will end with Jon receiving the Pink Letter (which could be interpreted as a book of the Stranger, psychopath Ramsay), as well.

      The letter read by Jon will be narrated by Ramsay, just like Littlefinger’s “Chaos is a laddah” speech (Winterfell is mine, etc.). And like that montage back in S3 with dead Ros and Joffrey’s crossbow, we will see Ramsay eating an apple from the knife which he used… to flay Osha.

      *credits roll

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    130. aabe:
      Will we see Mycroft Holmes – I mean Tycho Nestoris– thisseason? Tyrion could ‘strike a deal with Braavos’ to control the money flow of the slavers, since they are both anti-slavery.

      His actor said he’s not in this season.

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    131. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      By interact you mean make adorable amazonian killer ginger babies, right?

      Brienne would only go for that if Tormund agreed to be a stay-at-home Dad while she rides around the Seven Kingdoms setting wrongs aright, but…yes, bring it on!

      Can’t believe how hyped everyone, including me, is getting over this silly Tormienne ship based on one photo. : D

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    132. Wimsey,

      But why would they give Jorah greyscale if it’s not meant to go anywhere. They’re clearly leaving out the “Griff and Young Griff” subplot, so why take one element from that plot and incorporate it into the show if it weren’t in some way important, especially since they keep stressing that he has it? Why bother giving Shereen the greyscale for that matter? Why have Gilly discuss it with her so we learn about how much wildlings fear it. It just makes no sense.

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    133. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Winterstars,

      I think that’s why I AM so excited to see it. They never even had a scene together, but she grew up with him; he’s nostalgically familiar to her, something she hasn’t had since Ned’s head was lopped off. I think that would be incredibly powerful moment. But like you said, different people, different preferences.

      This is why I’m excited for it, too. Not to say, I’m not excited for any and all Stark reunions but I’m especially curious about this dynamic because we haven’t seen them interact on the show at all. It’s entirely new in a way and that’s something for a show in its 6th season. And, ngl, this being a precursor to a potential taking back of Winterfell just sweetens the pot. I might literally cry if we have another almost-reunion for the Starks.

      I’m ready for the Yara (Asha)/Theon reunion too, but I feel like that one might make me more sad than joyous.

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    134. I am so worried about this episode. I don’t think I can handle a Stark being tortured and murdered by Ramsay Bolton but after last week, it sure looks like that is exactly what might happen. Hold me.

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    135. Jared: Sky Atlantic also released this tweet that features an apparently new clip of Ramsay eating an apple off a knife.

      Why did this clip make me think of ‘Sleepless in Seattle’?

      “Your father [perish the thought] Ramsay could peel anyone who displeased him in one long, curly strip…”

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    136. Nearly an hour and a half to go!!!!! Waiting up until 2am UK time again but it is sooooo worth the tiredness in work tomorrow being able to avoid spoilers! Going to pass the next couple of hours with 2 eps of GOT

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    137. I agree that Jon and Sansa will meet tonight. Why would Tormeund stay @ CB if Jon left? I think Sansa is going to give Jon the reason to take Winterfell back. They’ll split up afterwards but def. meet today! They have to or I’ll cry.

      I’m a little worried about Ramsey -_- someone posted a gif of him eating an apple with a knife? In the trailer he was cleaning blood off a knife in the very same room. Which I think was Bran’s old room. I do not like 🙁

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    138. One of my favorite things about the possible Jonsa reunion is how they were not close to eachother really. I want to see how emotional and relieved they both are when they finally see eachother after all they have been through and losing their family despite not being that close with eachother before

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    139. George,

      I think its about people reuniting, with people and family members they haven’t seen in along time. But everyone has changed because of what they have gone through. Strangers

      George,

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    140. Violencersei,

      Those are some fascinating parallels, indeed. I don’t know all the details, maybe I should delve a bit deeper into it (really not an opera fan, though I like some of Wagner’s bits).

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    141. I doubt Ramsay kills Rickon this episode. I know that Ramsay is insane, but even he’s got to realize that Sansa/Jon are coming for him, and that Rickon is a valuable hostage.

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    142. Wimsey,

      Greyscale desease will be the last treason of jorah. I bet someone importante is going to get infected and everybody is going to be like ” how is that possible?” and then someone points to a very gulty looking jorah and danny kills him (orders someone to do it).

      Sansa is being pursued, didn t prepare anything for a journey in the middle of winter, and doesn t know wich nothern lords would protect her. Which place could be better to go than the Wall? nobody on their right mind would attack the Wall and the worst that can happen is jon giving them provisions and sending them on their way because the watch doesn t get involved in those affairs…

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    143. Maester of Ceremonies:
      I’ll be surprised if Sansa and Jon actually meet in this episode.

      “You just missed him, my lady.” Audience groans commence.

      I’m hearing that in a dry Vermont accent. Old joke about what rural Vermonters tell leap-peepers up from the City when they ask when and where to find peak autumn foliage: ‘You just missed it. It peaked here 15 minutes ago.’

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    144. Darkrobin:
      Pigeon,

      Mine would be Arya and Jon …”different roads sometimes lead to the same castle”

      Yes, me too – I didn’t read that quite right. Missed my Sunday nap. LOL. Ah the look on Arya’s face when she debated giving up Needle….

      Needle was Robb and Bran and Rickon, her mother and her father, even Sansa. Needle was Winterfell’s grey walls, and the laughter of its people. Needle was the summer snows, Old Nan’s stories, the heart tree with its red leaves and scary face, the warm earthy smell of the glass gardens, the sound of the north wind rattling the shutters of her room. Needle was Jon Snow’s smile. He used to mess my hair and call me “little sister,” she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.

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    145. I. Need. Jansa.

      Hi all from China! Don’t know when I’ll be watching this episode I hope tonight! It’s 8am in China and I’m heading to do the work in here to do. But hope to be able to watch it tonight

      I JUST NEED A STARK REUNION PLEASE

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    146. Here is what I have been thinking for a while, If Sansa and company get to CB that would be a very interesting moment between Davos and Brie, I mean she did kill Stanis.

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    147. Longer runtime than the first three episodes. This will be fun~

      I mainly hope for a stark reunion. If not in this episode, at least sometime this season.

      45 mins left guys!

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    148. Okay my thoughts about tonight are all over the place.
      The Stranger of course just makes everyone think about death. All guesses based on speculation and the preview video and my own wild hopes and fears…
      In KL
      -Cersei is going to get closer to choosing violence (if not have at least one sparrow killed quietly and shoved in a closet), Marg is going to make a strategic decision that could be dangerous for Loras, Olenna will be given a bad option. Will the birds get stabby tonight on Kevan, Pycelle or Qyburn? We don’t know.

      In CB
      -Jon has not left the building…but is the door opening for Sansa the Castle Black door? 98% yes. 2% it’s Deepwood Motte (that Yara just talked about losing last episode) on the way to Mormonts or the Mormonts themselves. I’m hoping for a big meet up though. I want Team White As Snow–someone else called them Starkvengers lol-Brienne, Pod, Davos, Tormund, Jon. And a Jon and Sansa reunion of course! (Though I admit I’m most looking forward to Jon and Arya)
      I think they film Pink letter so you know what it says in Ramsays voice. I don’t know if he’d show up because there would definitely be a fight, and they aren’t doing that yet. I think Tormund would absolutely take a second look at Brienne, which would be really good for her self esteem even though I’m still hoping for a particular reunion. (Braime forever)

      In Vale
      LF gets one scene convincing moon boy to take his army to Winterfell. I honestly have no idea how this will go, but its LF. Will someone be “poisoned by their enemies” for disagreeing? We don’t know.

      In Wherever Jorah and Daario are
      -I think Daario is destined to be a traitor. I know, he’s cute, but I can’t help my gut feeling. I think they fight some Dothraki and somehow, someway D temporarily takes Jorah out of the game. Maybe not this episode but soon. I do not, however, think Jorah is going to die this season. His arc is important and very tied up to Dany’s, plus the greyscale practically guarantees he’ll go out in a blaze of glory to save her-somehow. Some Dothraki are going to die.

      In Riverlands- (2 hooded presumed dead characters…this could be a great time to put one or both of them back in the game-title wise.) This would also be a great time to see Gendry again! *crickets* Or maybe not…

      In Iron Islands- Yara and Theon fight-but Yara is smart and she could use him to help with Kingsmoot issue-Balon’s “son” etc-especially once she sees Euron (who I hope we see)

      In Mereen
      -An obvious battle of wits…will there be dragon assistance? We don’t know. But based on all those wine glasses in pics, there will be drinking games. Will they discover the leader of the harpies? Find out about Daario’s part? I have no idea.

      In Braavos
      -if we see Arya, she’ll be given an assignment and learn something exciting.

      In Winterfell
      -Everyone showing pics of that dagger is freaking me out, but I feel good about my belief that Rickon is not dying this episode. However, I noticed something that several people seemed to notice too this week about Arya’s fight scene-so watch out for one of Rickon’s legs to be injured or removed (maybe so he won’t run away like Reek?) Osha is crazy enough to become Ramsay’s new bed warmer to stay alive. Would not be the first time, and he’d probably find her interesting. Yes-I’m wishing horrible things on them in the hopes that they stay alive. I’m that desperate.

      In Vaes Dothrak. I keep watching the preview and seeing her standing between those braziers and all I can think is, “She is going to set that place on fire”. So I’ll go with that. Maybe Drogon shadow in trailer is a distraction-and he’ll be flying over all those Dothraki who are following Dany back to Mereen…maybe?

      In the tree
      -We may not see Bran this episode, though I don’t know. He has to learn EVERYTHING. He could see things that don’t relate to him personally-quick vision montage for us history buffs and be ticked he still doesn’t know what’s in the tower. Or we could see the tower. I love the visions, so I would be okay with anything.

      I think that’s it. I hope I’m right about a few of these things. Kind of nervous about tonight’s episode tbh. (Rickon anxiety)

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    149. I’m not overly excited about Jon/Sansa reunion, as Sansa doesn’t really like Jon, she always seemed to follow in her mother’s footsteps and was almost embarrassed by having a bastard brother, and was usually quite vocal about it. But I’m hoping after everything she’s been through, she’ll be happy to see a familiar family face, and her heart will have softened towards Jon….
      I’m very much hoping we will get a version of the pink letter, but we’ll see, I’m also hoping for some Dragon action and I suspect we might see the N K tonight so maybe we will see a bit of Bran..
      Also i want them to get a wriggle on with Sam’s storyline, he still has to drop Gilly off at Hornhill before making his way to The Citadel, which I’m very excited to see….
      Not long to go now #veryexcited ????????

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    150. RG,

      If we get the Battle of wits with slavers that would or at least i hope mean the siege begins tonight which would be cool to see how Tyrion handles it. But if it happens it has to be in the EP where Dany wins over the horde or at least the EP before she does. I really am tired of her boring story line and want to see her get back to Bad Ass Dany, Hell a little walking out of flame with fire proof Bra and Panties if need be but get her moving Winter is Coming.

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    151. RG: In Mereen
      -An obvious battle of wits…will there be dragon assistance? We don’t know. But based on all those wine glasses in pics, there will be drinking games. Will they discover the leader of the harpies? Find out about Daario’s part? I have no idea.

      No one is asking the critical question: In which episode will Tyrion have his 12-Step moment and pour the wine back into the carafe, as seen in one of the early-released photos? How serious does the situation have to get before he realizes that he needs to keep his wits about him?

      RG: Osha is crazy enough to become Ramsay’s new bed warmer to stay alive. Would not be the first time, and he’d probably find her interesting. Yes-I’m wishing horrible things on them in the hopes that they stay alive.

      She has done it twice before at Winterfell, with good results both times. And the point has been made repeatedly (at least in the books) that human bites fester and cause gangrene…

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    152. The Sybian,

      I recognize that curly-nosed deity! Do they revere Chaac in Planetos? There’s a sea god, but I can’t recall hearing of a rain god. The Red Waste could certainly use one.

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    153. Firannion,

      Doesn’t Tyrion need to have a few hallucinations first? Maybe they’ll work that in tonight.

      I’m hoping for a Euron sighting, although with Theon and his sister reunion, they may hold off on Euron. I’m anxious to see how crazy they are going to make him.

      I think that Daario will notice the greyscale and once Daeny is safe, he’ll ask Daario to take him out of the game rather than turn into a stoneman.

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    154. sirensong:
      JON AND SANSA BETTER RUN INTO EACH OTHER TONIGHT OR I WILL FREAKING SCREAM SO LOUD MY LUNGS WILL BURST.

      ^ This. I can relate! 15 more minutes. Enjoy, everyone! 🙂

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    155. Sullied by Knight: Doesn’t Tyrion need to have a few hallucinations first? Maybe they’ll work that in tonight.

      Good point: at least one hallucination that we have reason to anticipate, per shooting spoilers.

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    156. jonathan:
      Bearded Onion,

      Will it happen though? I mean, Jon conveniently left Castle Black just about as a reunion was right around the corner.

      I think he’s there, I looked very closely at the Ed picture, there’s a person with a Navy bluish l/sleeve top with a touch of brown sleeveless top, which could be what Ned was wearing, eg it could be Stark Uniform, eg it could be Jon next to him so his watch may have ended but he is still at the Wall with the Wildlings (wearing the clothing he arrived in with Uncle Benjen and Tyrion waaaaaaaaay back in early season 1)

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    157. Has anyone suggested the bran = nights king theory yet??

      He’s mad about what happens at ToJ and that’s why such hate for Jon snow, the stare down at hardhome, etc

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    158. 8 minutes!

      May we be blessed with Man Buns, Jonsas, Toriennes, and Starkvengers! Thank you, Ralloo fire god amen!

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    159. Dee:
      I. Need. Jansa.

      Hi all from China! Don’t know when I’ll be watching this episode I hope tonight! It’s 8am in China and I’m heading to do the work in here to do. But hope to be able to watch it tonight

      I JUST NEED A STARK REUNION PLEASE

      Enjoy the trip, even though it is for work. I hope you will able to watch it later.

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    160. To everyone in the other thread who said I was wrong that the door Sansa came through and I said it was absolutely castle black…. :P!! lol told you it was 🙂 .. I recognized that wood pattern.. and now we get the reunion we wanted!!

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    161. I’M CRYING!!!! I CAN BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE TWO STAKS

      And Sansa is taking the iniciative to retake Winterfel…

      I’m dreaming right???

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    162. These people in KL are sitting there twaddling their fingers, when they have an army to storm the sept and dungeons. Hurry up, please!

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    163. Flayed Potatoes:
      These people in KL are sitting there twaddling their fingers, when they have an army to storm the sept and dungeons. Hurry up, please!

      They also have a city full of folks who like the High Sparrow.

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    164. Just started watching.
      Within seconds, jaw dropped then tears of joy.
      Yaaaasss!
      Also the face Giantsbane give Big B is everything!

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    165. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      What do you realistically expect to happen? Check out the 3 previous open chats during the EDT airing. All sorts of spoilers.

      Edit: btw its 9 EDT not PDT. “Spoiler coding is still required in this Open Chat post prior to the episode’s official airing (9PM EDT tonight for Season 6 Episode 4). We ask that fans use consideration for your fellow viewers, and cover and label your spoilers appropriately. Thank you!”

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    166. Unbelievable! How freaking awesome! Loved it. Can’t wait to read everyone’s thoughts!

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    167. Ok, so is Jon going to be in episode 5? This is my burning question. Did he agree to come with Sansa??? Where is Sansa going?

      I am so confused lmao.

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    168. Flayed Potatoes:
      Lyanna_Targaryen,

      I didn’t know. I’m sorry. Everyone is spoiling though, so I didn’t think there was a rule in an open chat while the episode is airing.

      Neither did I .. and it honestly doesn’t make much sense to me since it’s OPEN chat about the episode currently airing.. had no clue .. people, in my mind, should know better to come into open chat about the current episode 🙂 just my opinion I guess

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    169. Great episode.

      The Dany finale was a little cheesy but overall it worked. I just wonder if those were Emilia’s real boobs or just her face CGI’d into the body…

      Only cuz I know she doesn’t want to do nudes anymore…

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    170. May Ramsay be flayed for a thousand lives for slaying Osha. Nooooooooooo!

      (yeah…we saw it coming…but…)

      Nice Pink Letter!

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    171. I’m biased I know I am I’m biased toward the northern storyline but this has been the worst episode of the 4 so far.

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    172. Flayed Potatoes:
      Ok, so is Jon going to be in episode 5? This is my burning question. Did he agree to come with Sansa??? Where is Sansa going?

      I am so confused lmao.

      He shook his head yes.

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    173. Jon Snow needs to create his small council ASAP….

      Davos, Tormund, Brienne, Mel, Sansa, Ed…. Time to come up with a plan to for Winterfell….

      What a great episode.

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    174. Great episode! I think I am gonna watch that Sansa and Jon hug over and over again. Mad about Osha though!

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    175. Dany saved herself what a big fu for all the people who insist to say she’s not smart enough and needs to be saved everytime

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    176. All the Jon with Sansa scenes I was holding back my tears.

      It’s been what, 5 years since they seen each other and they both been through so much.

      That pink letter TV show version was good too, again made me teary eyed. I hope Jon bashes Ramsay’s head in.

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    177. Connor,

      What? How the fuck did he get to the Wall? How did he know she was there? Why wouldn’t Royce be gathering the Valemen to arrest his ass once he came back? Guh.

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    178. Havent read any comments, but just finished watching this episode. Wow, just wow! Sansa, Margery, Dany, Theons sister (brain fail) all taking charge!!!!!!!

      The Pink Letter!!!!

      The Vale (tho I don’t thinik much of Robin)

      Lots about making peace with our enemies here, as well as Sisters and Brothers reuniting. Not sure about Mereen, but rest of episode wonderfull

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    179. HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT IS MORE THAN I EVER EXPECTED FROM DAENERYS AND THE DOTHRAKI AND I’VE BEEN MULLING OVER THE POSSIBILITIES IN MY HEAD FOR TWO YEARS

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    180. Louis:
      I’m biased I know I am I’m biased toward the northern storyline but this has been the worst episode of the 4 so far.

      You are complaining about this episode? Really? It was awesome….

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    181. does dany have to pass threw the fire in every episode to make her interesting? ok we know that she is a conqueror but what about humility and being a ruler? the last scene was just a reboot of season 1…

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    182. Jansa 2016 LIVES!!!

      Almost nothing else mattered, well except for the cheese aka Petyr “LittleFinger” and we get more of him next week.

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    183. Why is Sansa with Brienne and LF again? How the hell did Littlefinger made it to the North that quickly?

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    184. Oh man this episode. It just kind of caps off a disappointing first 4 episodes for me.

      The King’s Landing stuff has just been meh, I hate the High Sparrow and his stupid cliche speeches. He’s the worst antagonist ever, I only hate him because he’s such a bore.

      Osha’s death was lame, saw it coming a mile away. She was a good character too, wish she had gotten some more time before dying.

      Tyrion’s plan is just kind of wha? Unless he has some trick of his sleeve, it’s just bleh.

      I didn’t see Khal Moro dying coming. Not sure what to think of Jorah and Daario busting into Vaes Dothrok, and finding the Khaleesi so quickly, then being able to plot this scheme which worked out so perfectly (including Jorah and Daario being able to kill some guards and lock the door).

      The Night’s Watch and Vale stuff was fine.

      Overall though I’ve just been disappointed in this season :`(

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    185. Now we’ll have endless discussions where people will try to point out how Targaryens aren’t immune to fire when we all know Dany IS immune to fire in the show.

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    186. Overall this was another great episode.

      The emotional intensity of seeing Jon and Sansa together alone was enough to put it in my top 10.

      I agree the Dany ending was a little bit cheesy but I like it nonetheless. She used her brain and her own powers to win over the Dothraki. Nothing wrong with that.

      Great episode, loved it, have to watch it a few times =)

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    187. I think Tormund flirting Brienne and the Osha-Ramsey flirt was one of the most funny scenes! But what a shame that Osha died so soon!!!

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    188. I have not read spoilers at all….

      So my guess is that The Umbers turn for Jon Snow. Jon has The Wildlings, Vale, Night’s Watch, and will probably get a few Northern Houses to his cause. Bear Island was set up last year as being loyal to The Starks.

      Which means The Boltons and Karstarks are going extinct this season.

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    189. Ending was a little cheesy but the episode and the idea behind the ending is sound.

      They just dragged out the ending longer than required.

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    190. I’m usually a defender of the tv show… but god i hated this episode.

      The only thing that i loved was Sansa and Jon and the Pink letter… King’s landing stuff was ok.

      Osha… well. Couldn’t really expect more, yet I love Natalia Tena and she deserves better than that awful storyline.

      But jesus christ that Dany ending was beyond ridiculous.

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    191. It was a great episode. But, does the show have to kill at least one great character every episode??? Osha. Why do the good-hearted ones keep on dying and the monsters keep on winning? (I’m now sounding like my friends who stopped watching this show 2 seasons ago.)

      This will always be one of my favorite scenes on this show:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVlRkEqI2T0

      “Keep this one safe. He means the world to me.” Aww. Osha!

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    192. Wow, really? People are complaining? That was one of the most epic endings ever and people are seriously unhappy about it? You guys really need to (a) watch another show or (b) go to westeros.org – I mean honestly…

      That final moment was a game changer. Dany’s been a ruler, but *now* she’s a queen. Absolutely epic.

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    193. Okay, she can’t be burned and the big strong Khals can’t break down wooden doors. Now, get your ass to Westeros, Khaleesi.

      I’m not sure anyone predicted Jon would turn soft and turn his back on the fight against the Others once resurrected. Wow, I hope this is just a phase.

      Brienne needs to back the fuck off from Davos. Now that she saved Sansa she needs to go save Jaime from being Cersei’s underling.

      Poor Theon. He really has nothing to give. He can’t be a king. So I can see him wanting to help his sister.

      Ramsay Sue can’t die soon enough.

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    194. The final scene felt rushed tbh. And a bit cheesy. And I am a big Dany fan. They could have made it look better.

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    195. Bran in the next episode though….. OMG!

      I wonder when we are getting ToJ again. Hurry up, Bloodraven!

      How did Littlefinger teleport again in the preview? Will Jon be with Sansa? Nothing makes sense anymore lmao.

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    196. Jack Bauer 24: He shook his head yes.

      Look for Jon in every episode this season.. he’s the TPTWP.. awesome episode.. I don’t have time to get on here much but wanted to just say that was just eff’in amazing. Thanks Ginerva for sharing the episode on Skype.. it was really great fun to watch it with a fellow WoTW poster.. just LOVED this episode…. nite all!

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    197. It was a bit like Jon’s resurrection. Underwhelming but not bad or ridiculous. Much better option than Drogon deus ex-machina.

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    198. Alyssa:
      Once again Dany’s clothes burn but not her hair…

      Do you really, truly want that? Seriously? It’s fine for the written word and not commented much about afterward. For the show do we want a bald Daenerys walking around? When we’re talking about a body that doesn’t burn it’s not much of a stretch to include hair.
      ——–
      I also don’t give a shit about “she isn’t fire-proof” in the books either. This is suppose to be scifi-fantasy and this way is way cooler.

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    199. Bit sad about a Winterfell based scene….

      Not surprised though, they don’t know how to work with them so they are writing them out in effect…

      Some of my theories have been wrong but seems Rickon as fArya is correct, of course Ramsay is acting like a Mad Dog etc etc and he made what would have been a hard bargain for Jon in getting Wildlings to fight for his cause an instant 2k army.

      Enjoyed Yara/Theon

      Can see it now, people will be irritated over Sansa not being an action hero but her character is about exploring the power to influence others from behind the scenes after her mother etc, LF her mentor did the same thing in this episode, a little oddly but the point there was to establish that the Vale Lords don’t respect him, other side of the coin is that Littlefinger now needs their (as in Royce) practical Military experience

      And of course nice to finish on a massive lol with Tormund fawning over Brienne

      That was all rather quite strange, seeing Brienne with Mel and Davos at the CB set, seeing Sansa and Pod at the Castle Black set etc etc

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    200. I just want episode 5, looks really good. I need that Bran and Night’s King vision! Its like all of the wights were staring at him and its the scene where NK grabs his wrist too.

      HYPE, I cant wait another week for that 🙁

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    201. Wow! No Drogon ex machina, “just” Dany!
      And Sansa and Jon, the pink letter, Theon home.
      Yet another excellent episode, can’t wait for 605…

      too bad that Ramsey :1 – Spearwives (Osha): 0, but I guess her being successful was not really an option.

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    202. I don’t understand how people can rate this episode as bad.

      Have you been watching the same show for the past 6 years that I have?

      I have been waiting to see the Stark children unite for a long time and it finally happened.

      My mother was crying when Jon and Sansa hugged and I was holding back. My whole living room was in complete silence just an emotional moment and when my aunt finally spoke you could her the emotion in her voice.

      That’s power, a six year payoff in the making…

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    203. The final battle is slowing making more sense.

      TEAM NORTH – Lead by Jon Snow. Including The Wildings, Vale, North, & White Walkers.

      vs.

      TEAM SOUTH – Lead by Dany Targaryan. Including Dorthraki, Dorne, & Dragons.

      The pieces still to be decided are…. The Lannisters,Tyrells, The Faceless Men, & Riverlands. My guess is that The Faceless Men & Riverlands side with The North and The Lannisters & Tyrells go South.

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    204. dothrakian raven:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Adieu and goodbye. Safe journey too!

      Why are you saying goodbye to me? I didn’t say I was quitting the show. My goodness calm down, I can’t stand people like you. People on this board know I’m a show lover, I posted in nearly all of the GoT 50 threads. I just haven’t liked this season. Get over the fact that we have differing opinions.

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    205. Loved the Sansa/Jon reunion. I am so glad they had a brief scene of them talking about life at Winterfell. Of course we know they are half-siblings but I can’t recall them ever having a scene together, so it was perfect that the writers put in that exchange to give them a backstory, even if we didn’t see it in the first season.
      The pink letter? Fucking love Sansa being assertive. Basically, this is what were doing Jon, so nod your head yes. This will be bittersweet if rumors are right

      from the reddit post about Rickon being killed when the battle begins. Just as the Starks are pulling it together, another blow would suck hard.

      Tormund wants a piece of Brienne. That was pretty hilarious.

      I feel for Davos. Damn.

      If they kill Edd, I will riot.

      I am so sad about Osha. Had hope she might escape and get to help. 🙁
      They kill a badass chic like her, yet Daario still lives? Ugh.

      That ending didn’t leave me feeling much of anything other then indifferent. It’s like Dany is put in these horrible situations but an episode or two later, she sprouts some Dothraki and all is well in her the world. I didn’t want to see her rape or tortured but I kind of hoped that this plot wouldn’t be another “kill the masters”. Kind of a waste of some potentially good characters. Ah well.

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    206. So for months now people here have been arguing about in what way Jon would be different after coming back from death. And not one person got it right: Brooding Jon now smiles. Jon now laughs. Jon now has a sense of humor. We had an inkling last week when he met Tormund and Edd; this week it was even more pronounced (until they found out about Rickon). Who woulda thunk it?

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    207. Man! I just thought about this but the Vale to the rescue!!! Crazy, I wonder how many men they have? Do ya’ll think the Vale is taking over the Manderlys role? I am still thinking maybe the Umbers are pulling some espionage shit. At least I hope they are. I know some of you think Dany’s final scene was played but I was still surprised since I thought for sure Drogon would save her. She don’t need no saving! She doesn’t burn. Also that was a body double since reports say Emilia is pregnant. I loved this ep, it had it all intrigue, action, and a tender family reunion. Just sad to see Osha go like that. I thought we would have her for longer. I loved her, she was so badass!

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    208. Louis:
      I’m biased I know I am I’m biased toward the northern storyline but this has been the worst episode of the 4 so far.

      Dude. I am all about the North (DaNorf) but that episode was good. All the CB stuff was great, the Dany stuff was great, Theon and Yara was heartbreaking, King’s Landing is finally moving toward something, Meereen, well Meereen sucked but that’s a given. The only thing lacking in this episode was a Bran vision and some cool Arya stuff.

      RIP Osha, you precious cinnamon roll. Natalia Tena was fantastic in the role and elevated the book character to another level.

      My only complaint is I am so sick of seeing Ramsay “win” – the emotional torture porn has got to stop. Please god, someone kill him so hard and soon.

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    209. The Bastard:
      The final battle is slowing making more sense.

      TEAM NORTH – Lead by Jon Snow.Including The Wildings, Vale, North, & White Walkers.

      vs.

      TEAM SOUTH – Lead by Dany Targaryan.Including Dorthraki, Dorne, & Dragons.

      The pieces still to be decided are…. The Lannisters,Tyrells, The Faceless Men, & Riverlands.My guess is that The Faceless Men & Riverlands side with The North and The Lannisters & Tyrells go South.

      Why do the 2 camps have to fight against each other?

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    210. Geralt of Rivia,

      All Khals dead like that? What a shame. It looked badass tho.

      It’s always funny, I mean ridiculous, how quickly structures burn in movies and tv. The sides of the building were on fire for maybe twenty seconds and roof beams were already falling on people. I recall that was one of Roger Ebert’s least favorite cliches.

      Not that I minded. One minute I was wondering how Dany was going to convince these guys to back her and the nnxt minute they were dead. A classic move in the game of thrones.

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    211. Arthur:
      I don’t understand how people can rate this episode as bad.

      Have you been watching the same show for the past 6 years that I have?

      I genuinely don’t think people realize they’re still watching a TV show. Six years, and people have built up all of these epic set pieces that they’re not getting, so they’re frustrated. I get it. But honestly… this is still a TV show. An AMAZING TV show. In only four episodes they’ve managed to pull off stuff that would have taken them an entire season years ago. I think people forget the slow builds of season 2 (remember that it took nine episodes to get to the Blackwater battle) or season 3 (the long slow build in “Kissed by Fire,” “The Climb,” etc.)

      I thought this episode was incredible.

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    212. Connor:
      So Khal Moro dies, just like that? That was a waste.

      No you are right. He should’ve been in the show until it ended and do many important things,…. whyyyyyyyy must there always be complaining? Don’t you ever get tired of it. Shut up already.

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    213. ash:
      Doesn’t Asha look like she has aged a few decades? She looks like old photos of my bubbeh…

      I kept thinking that they were deliberately trying to make Asha/Yara look like Balon Mark II.

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    214. Jon + Sansa!
      RIP Osha 🙁
      Civil war in KL!
      DRACARYS! brand Khal barbecue

      …all pale in comparison to the most important moment in this episode; Birenne has found her GiantsBAE

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    215. The Bastard:
      The final battle is slowing making more sense.

      TEAM NORTH – Lead by Jon Snow.Including The Wildings, Vale, North, & White Walkers.

      vs.

      TEAM SOUTH – Lead by Dany Targaryan.Including Dorthraki, Dorne, & Dragons.

      How on earth you can look at Dany’s forces and Jon Snow and think they aren’t going to end up on the same side, allied against the White Walkers, I’ll never know. 🙂

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    216. Kargaryen:
      The final scene felt rushed tbh. And a bit cheesy. And I am a big Dany fan. They could have made it look better.

      Yeah it’ll take me a while to figure what to make of it

      Could be they are running out of ideas so are having to hark back to the supposed “one time magical event” of Season 1

      The other side of the coin is it is much deeper, eg as the birth of Dragons was some kind of blood magic event involving Rhaego, Khal Drogo and Witch burning etc

      But this is where Dany ate the Horses Heart etc etc. There is perhaps something there bloodmagic wise or

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    217. the Jansa reunion made this one of my top 5 episodes by itself
      Tormund and Brienne NEEDS to happen..like ASAP

      and Emilia OWNED it in that last scene.. my ass was about ready to kneel too and its a TV character for gods sake

      **off to rewatch Jansa hug***

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    218. Icekhione:
      Great episode until that lame cheesy canon-destroying ending.

      How do you know it’s canon-destroying? Have you read “The Winds of Winter” yet?

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    219. I could have predicted the cheesy ending comments. All week people were saying ‘it will be dumb if they have Drogon save her again.” There’s really no scene they could have done to please everyone. I liked what they did. She just defeated all of the khals and has earned ‘an army larger than the world has ever seen.’

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    220. CatspawAssassin:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      It’s always funny, I mean ridiculous, how quickly structures burn in movies and tv. The sides of the building were on fire for maybe twenty seconds and roof beams were already falling on people. I recall that was one of Roger Ebert’s least favorite cliches.

      I think the Dothraki must’ve bought their building materials for their big council hut from the same military surplus supplier who sold Stannis the tents for his army. One spark and poof! Up they go.

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    221. That was a great episode, Jon and Sansa…..I’m crying and doing the happy flayed taters dance………go Khaleesi!! Who’s zooming who Khal???

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    222. Fantastic episode, this has been an amazing season so far.
      KINGSMOOT NEXT WEEK GET HYPED!!!!!

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    223. It is simply a meta theme about burning down tradition etc

      Eg Khal Morro’s rants were very similar to the Ramsay PL, whereas his old man said he needed Sansa to keep the North onside, he’s intent on going the mad dog route and “screwing tradition”

      Of course Jon and Sansa are as well, eg traditionally Warden of the North Starks have repelled the Wildlings but here they are having them as an Army

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    224. Sam,

      Whaa the F…? Don’t know where you got that idea. Crazy and interesting theory but I don’t think the White Walkers are gonna team up with anyone!

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    225. GOd that sexy look Tormund gave Brienne XDDDD
      Jon has the best small council XD

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    226. Laura,

      My only complaint is I am so sick of seeing Ramsay “win” – the emotional torture porn has got to stop. Please god, someone kill him so hard and soon.

      Oh my sweet summer child… (hehe)

      Just how sweet is it going to be when we watch Jon bash that Ramsay fucker’s head in? We all feel the same way as you do. The show runners know this, so I think Ramsay’s death will be such a sweet thing to see. The more they make us want it, the sweeter it gets.

      And I do not have a crystal ball but I would wager a huge sum that Jon takes him out.

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    227. Sam: Why do the 2 camps have to fight against each other?

      1. GRRM has said The White Walkers are not what they seem. Which means them being pure evil makes no sense. Which means they can’t be the end game.

      2. The entire premise is Fire and Ice….. Dany being Fire and Jon being Ice. What other reason would they have then to fight each other? The Lord of Light vs. The Great Other.

      This is the big swerve of the series. Jorah has mentioned that there is good and bad on both sides. Plus, if you look at the characters left, there are a lot of duplicates…

      Jon & Dany are both leaders. Davos & Tyrion are both get advisers. White Walkers are the opposite of Dragons.

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    228. This was definitely the first episode this season i didnt quite enjoy.
      The Stark reunion we got and that the pink letter finally appeared on the show was awesome of course but overall it felt a bit rushed and i didn’t like the way how they made Jon soft, i really hope this wont be permanent.
      And the ending was absolutely unnecessary in my opnion, they could’ve replaced it with better stuff like Drogon appearing to save the day or so…we already know since Season 1 that Dany is the mother of dragons, breaker of chains and blah blah blah…
      But this was just the fourth episode and it build up to the big things that will come later this season.

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    229. Jon’s deadpan reading of the letter killed me in a good way. He had no time for Ramsay’s pathetic attempt to get Sansa. Jon’s not giving her away!

      Now I need to know where Sansa and LF are in the preview. I wish I could freeze myself like The Winter Soldier and wake up in time for the next episode.

      Jonsa 2k16 gets my vote!

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    230. Loved the episode! Especially the end ~ Dany was superb! And Sansa, Brienne and Margaery ~ also great. Some very funky strong women this season! But RIP Osha ~ one of the best!

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    231. Kargaryen:
      Sansa seems to have more balls than ressurrected Jon Snow.

      He just got murdered and then came back. I actually like that he’s so hesitant now. Thankfully, he’s not gone gung-ho and like, “Yeah! Let’s go fight!” the moment he talked to Sansa. Soon, the brave Jon will come back. He just needs time to get over what happened to him. Being with determined Sansa and knowing that Rickon is the monster’s captive would be just the right push he’d need.

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    232. So Osha’s presence in Winterfell initially gave rise to interesting theories about why she was there – since she’s of no value to Ramsay. Umber conspiracy perhaps? This episode, we learn why she is there -to die. Because we haven’t seen Ramsay torture and kill enough people yet. So boring. What a waste.

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    233. Cameryn,

      Martin explicitly stated that when asked, on top of making it obvious in the books by having Daenerys burnt by Drogon’s breath and some other instances.

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    234. Clob:
      I could have predicted the cheesy ending comments.All week people were saying ‘it will be dumb if they have Drogon save her again.” There’s really no scene they could have done to please everyone.I liked what they did.She just defeated all of the khals and has earned ‘an army larger than the world has ever seen.’

      It’ll be an interesting day when many of these people finally get to read “The Winds of Winter,” and find out that Brienne did in fact kill Stannis, and Dany did take control of the entire Dothraki, and Melisandre did really resurrect Jon Snow – and yes, they’re actually making a show based on GRRM’s books, including the one they hadn’t read yet.

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    235. Cameryn: How on earth you can look at Dany’s forces and Jon Snow and think they aren’t going to end up on the same side, allied against the White Walkers, I’ll never know.

      The tv series and books have been pointing towards the characters each being on different sides and fighting each other…..

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    236. Laura,

      I loved the story but something was off. Writing, directing or cutting the episode. Maybe a bit of both. The story is fascinating and fun and building. But I didn’t like how they cut the last bit to make it look like a horror movie. Like Carrie. And there is always something hollow about explaining backstory via dialogue, as happened w Sansas conversation about her childhood with Jon.

      The episode is strong in that it’s a compelling story and we got some great payoffs tonight. But there was something campy about it that didn’t sit right w me. Unlike last episode where the time blew by, I was pulled out of the viewing experience by what felt like camp to me.

      As they say, it’s hard to define camp, but like pornography, you know it when you see it.

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    237. lord of blogfell:
      does dany have to pass threw the fire in every episode to make her interesting?ok we know that she is a conqueror but what about humility and being a ruler? the last scene was just a reboot of season 1…

      No she doesn’t have to do it every episode. That is why out of 54 episodes, she has only done it twice.

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    238. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Okay, she can’t be burned and the big strong Khals can’t break down wooden doors. Now, get your ass to Westeros, Khaleesi.

      I’m not sure anyone predicted Jon would turn soft and turn his back on the fight against the Others once resurrected. Wow, I hope this is just a phase.

      Brienne needs to back the fuck off from Davos. Now that she saved Sansa she needs to go save Jaime from being Cersei’s underling.

      Poor Theon. He really has nothing to give. He can’t be a king. So I can see him wanting to help his sister.

      Ramsay Sue can’t die soon enough.

      Well the night’s watch doesn’t have the man power to stand up against the others right now.. Jon will take back winterfell and will have the north on his side for the big fight coming over the next two seasons

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    239. Sam,

      It was a great episode. But, does the show have to kill at least one great character every episode???

      This is the Game of Thrones If you think there’s a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention. Just sayin

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    240. Lol as predictable as always the responses are ..
      And makes my point valid some people always like to complain no matter what ..
      And shouting for only one storyline and doesn’t care about other storylines does not make your opinions valid either …

      Surely I must not be the only one who he is getting irritated by certain groups of people who want only one story line

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    241. Icekhione:
      Cameryn,

      Martin explicitly stated that when asked, on top of making it obvious in the books by having Daenerys burnt by Drogon’s breath and some other instances.

      I think you might invest a bit too much in GRRM’s vagaries. I’ll bet anything that the Vaes Dothrak story gets played out in TWIW very much like it did tonight.

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    242. This episode definitely made it seem like were in for a battle between ice and fire. Jon v. Dany two living gods basically. Each performing their own miracles. Viewers will be so conflicted when they have to choose between jon and dany, davos and tyrion, varys and littlefinger. I bet you before the huge battle we will have a scene where Varys and Littlefinger meet each on opposite sides to gloat to each other.

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    243. Cameryn: It’ll be an interesting day when many of these people finally get to read “The Winds of Winter,” and find out that Brienne did in fact kill Stannis, and Dany did take control of the entire Dothraki, and Melisandre did really resurrect Jon Snow – and yes, they’re actually making a show based on GRRM’s books, including the one they hadn’t read yet.

      Denial is a powerful drug.

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    244. I guess you can’t please everybody, or maybe anybody. Here’s quotes from two different comments up thread.

      “The final scene felt rushed tbh.”

      “They just dragged out the ending longer than required.”

      Anyway, I loved the episode, FWIW. And I don’t care if Dany isn’t supposed to be fireproof in the books. I’ll read the books again if I want that canon.

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    245. That was a solid episode… To mee, Mereen is a little boring, and KL needs to get on with it…

      But the rest has been very good TV so far. I feel most entertained…

      One funny fact though. This Vaes Dothrak seems a strange place. Gold melts and temple burn within seconds… Very hot and dry climate, ey?

      but, if I wanted some realism, I should stop watching tits and dragons…

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    246. DanTheMan,

      He was murdered a few days ago and came back to life after being in some place where there’s nothing. Give him time to regain his strength, sanity and determination. He was terribly betrayed, had to kill a little kid who he took under his wing and who stabbed him in the heart. He’s feeling a bit broken atm. Anyone would be after experiencing what he has had.

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    247. Beer Island,

      One episode in Vale and next in the North? When Sansa and Brienne it took 2 episodes to get to Castle Black, Oh sorry, for thinking logically. Some people just get too angry when some pointing out something. Should’ve known that.

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