Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 4 – Book of the Stranger Recap

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On tonight’s new episode of Game of Thrones: [inserts the complete lyrics of “Ladies Night” by Kool and The Gang]. That’s it. That’s what happened.

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. The post and the comments section will contain spoilers from the novels! Because no, we are not all Unsullied now. If you haven’t read the books yet, please check out our non-book-reader recap. Thanks!

Last week on Game of Thrones, Jon Snow dropped the mic after hanging the Night’s Watch men who killed him, and strolled out of the courtyard, leaving viewers wondering what was next. This week, it seems as though Jon himself isn’t quite certain, now that he’s stepping away from the organization that’s run his life for him since he left home. Dolorous Edd rightly questions Jon’s larger moral obligation; after seeing what Jon did at Hardhome, how can he simply travel south and forget about the Wall?

But that discussion will have to wait because it’s time for the reunion we’ve been waiting for, for years. Two Starks (well, one Stark and a bastard) are finally together again.

Sansa Pod

Brienne and Pod safely escort Sansa to the Wall, and the GoT gods were not so cruel (FOR ONCE) as to send Jon away before she arrived. Though these two were the least-close of the Stark kids, they’re the first reunited. Jon’s sullen moments and Sansa’s youthful snobbishness don’t matter anymore. They’re family and we’re all sobbing like idiots.

Sansa Jon

After the reunion, Jon and Sansa catch up over drinks (she’s gonna need a lot of booze to handle this shit) and plan their next move. This creates an interesting role reversal, with Sansa gung-ho to take back Winterfell and Jon reticent to fight. Jon’s continued reaction to his recent murder is understandable, but if anyone is going to get him to snap out of it, it’s his persistent sister, who has always demanded the best. They need to fight back, and it certainly turned to disaster when the Starks were separated before.

This reunion…I mean honestly the rest of this episode could’ve been Tormund and Edd playing beer pong and I would’ve been content, after these scenes.

Sansa isn’t the only visitor at the Wall; Brienne of Tarth is there and immediately owns up to executing Stannis Baratheon to his pals. She’s also not inclined to forgive Melisandre for the blood magic used on Renly.

The Wall just gets more and more interesting, doesn’t it? And I haven’t even gotten to Westeros’s hottest new ship, Tormienne. More on that later.

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In the Vale, we have another reunion, though not so tender. Littlefinger makes his first season 6 appearance, visiting with his stepson Robin Arryn who is still delightfully creepy and willing to chuck people out the Moon Door. Robin’s been staying with Lord Yohn Royce while Littlefinger is off sneakin’ and plottin’ and whatnot.

Royce questions the choice to marry Sansa to Ramsay Bolton, but Littlefinger deftly maneuvers the other lord into submission. He also nudges the little lord Robin into sending the Knights of the Vale to help Sansa up north.

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Meanwhile, across the sea: Tyrion’s message last week has brought men from Astapor, Yunkai and Volantis to work out the deeply unpleasant terrorism situation happening in Meereen. (Maybe they can explain why people write on walls in the Common Tongue?)

Yezzan (Enzo Cilenti) who bought Tyrion last year is joined by Razdal Mo Eraz (played by George Georgiou) whom we met in season 3, when he offered Daenerys money and ships to GO AWAY. The third member of this festive trio is Belicho Paenymion (Eddie Jackson), who based on the name I’m guessing is supposed to be a combination of the Volantene triarchs from the novels. They represent the Consortium of People Who Really Want Daenerys to Just Get The Fuck Out. They may or may not also be funding the Sons of the Harpy.

Tyrion proposes a compromise to the situation in Slaver’s Bay that I suspect will spawn a great deal of debate among fans.  In order to stop the war, Tyrion is willing to allow slavery to resume in the other cities  for seven years. Grey Worm and Missandei, having more than a week’s worth of experience in slavery, think this plan sucks. The other ex-slaves of Meereen agree, and aren’t thrilled with any of Daenerys’ advisors for treating with the slavers. Missandei handles the situation with her wisdom and quick speaking, but her and Grey Worm are still justifiably pissed at Tyrion and how little he understands of slavery.

Michiel Huisman as Daario Naharis and Iain Glen as Jorah Mormont Credit: Macall B. Polay/HBO

Daario and Jorah approach Vaes Dothrak and after having bants, make a plan to infiltrate the Dothraki city to find Dany.  Daario is reluctant to ditch his boobie dagger but them’s the rules in Vaes Dothrak, as you may recall from season 1, when they had to get creative about murdering Viserys. Anyway, while setting aside their weapons, Jorah’s greyscale-ridden wrist is exposed to Daario. Oh dear.

Predictably, the two run into trouble in the city after coming across Ahko and another young Dothraki man who aren’t buying their ‘lost merchants’ story. Jorah takes on Ahko while Daario chases down and easily breaks the neck of the younger warrior. After a rough tussle, which Jorah is losing badly, Ahko is stabbed from behind- by Daario, who held onto that precious dagger after all.

Inside the Dosh Khaleen’s temple, a bored Daenerys waits, and meets a young Lhazareen widow. The two step outside for air, where they’re found by Jorah and Daario. Dany nicely does not let Daario murder her new pal. Instead she conceives of a new plan, apparently dreamed up while being forced to sit around listening to sexist assholes in tents for the last few weeks. I feel you, Dany. Live your fiery truth.

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In King’s Landing, Margaery is brought before High Sparrow- not for confession, surprisingly, but instead to hear a rather splendid backstory monologue from the old sparrow. He was once a successful cobbler, ambitious and indulgent, until he woke up after a feast, saw everyone naked and found the Seven. That’s the short version of it- the long version sounds so much more extraordinary coming from Jonathan Pryce.

But Margaery is a smart cookie. She listens, she asks polite questions, and when she is finally brought to see her brother, she’s the one keeping it together still. It’s clear that Loras, on the other hand, has broken. It’s not the first, and it won’t be the last time in this episode we see the sister is the strong one, the one who knows what to do. Loras is in trouble, and he’s not the one who is going to get them out of this.

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Cersei visits with Tommen again this week, and finds the boy is getting warier, perhaps in part due to the sparrow’s cautions. He knows his mother doesn’t like his wife, and he’s conflicted. Finally she learns he’s been speaking with the High Sparrow, and has learned something useful.

Cersei returns to the Small Council with Jaime to face Olenna and Kevan, and to present her plan. Using the Tyrell army as backup, they’re going to take on the High Sparrow and get Margaery and Loras back. Kevan will go along with it since they’ve take over his son Lancel.

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We pop into the Iron Islands for our next reunion of the evening.

Since Theon turned his back on Yara at the Dreadfort, we’ve been waiting for this: the day when he’d have to face his sister as himself, not Reek. The Greyjoy siblings are reunited on Pyke in tonight’s episode, but it’s not the happy affair the Stark kids saw earlier. Theon is a shattered man, and Yara is sickened and bitter by what her brother has become. And now he’s returned home in time for the kingsmoot, when Yara and men of the Iron Islands will fight for the crown.

It’s a heartbreaking moment, beautifully performed by Alfie Allen and Gemma Whelan. The years have torn these two siblings apart until there’s nothing left but the thinnest link, the bittersweet blood that binds them. The parallel between this reunion moment and the Sansa and Jon scene was so strong, with the sister leading and the brother reluctant to take his place. There were tears flowing during both, as well.

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At Winterfell, Osha and Ramsay have their unavoidable one-on-one, and it truly felt inevitable. There was no way she was going to let someone take Rickon and go quietly, not as fiercely loyal as she was. And so the wildling woman made her move, attempting to seduce and kill Ramsay.

Unfortunately, when Theon revealed all his secrets about the Stark boys, he included the information about Osha, and Ramsay was ready for her. So that’s one more body to add to Ramsay’s count.

He’s in truly fine form tonight; after killing Osha, we head back to the Wall with a Bolton message and see the delivery of the show’s equivalent of the Pink Letter.

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All this goes down while Jon has dinner with Sansa, Brienne, Tormund, Pod and Edd. And let me take a special moment to recognize the newest OTP of OTPs: Tormund and Brienne. I mean she’d probably stab him for even trying it but in a show this dark, you take joy where you can. And I found intense joy in watching Tormund eat in her direction with emphatic ginger eyebrows.

Tormund/Brienne, it’s where it’s at.

Alright, back to the Pink Letter.

Ramsay’s rambling missive challenges Jon and informs him that he has Rickon. The beautiful Stark reunion is now marred by the news that their little brother has been taken. Ramsay threatens everyone in his path until Jon can’t read anymore. Sansa refuses to look away from the ugliness (she’s seen everything Ramsay can do) and finishes reading the letter, his litany of threats.

Assessing the situation, we learn Tormund has 2000 wildling fighters under his command, but they need more, as Ramsay has 5000. Sansa urges Jon to fight once more- he is the son of the last true Warden of the North and they can get more help this way. The Starks need to go home.

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Was it J.R.R. Tolkien, or George R.R. Martin…sorry, I think it was Nicki Minaj who said, “You could be the King but watch the Queen conquer.”

And that about sums up the last scene of the night.

More literal version: The khals meet to discuss Dany’s fate. She doesn’t care for that and offers her leadership instead (why am I suddenly reminded of that scene in Kill Bill where Lucy Liu takes over the yakuza?). But the khals don’t care for that so much and decline her offer in the grossest terms possible, as you would expect. As Daenerys no doubt expected they would.

Hey didn’t we mention something about her having a plan with Jorah and Daario? Apparently the plan is fire. Just lots and lots of fire. Turns out it’s super effective in the desert. And she didn’t even need a dragon. A book of matches would’ve brought down this flock of khals. The temple of the Dosh Khaleen goes up in flames, killing all the Dothraki leaders while leaving Dany untouched.

Finally Daenerys strides forth from the fire, the Unburnt, in a visual that calls back to the season 1 finale, even scored with the same music. The Dothraki bow to her, and are joined by Jorah. Daario sees for the first time the true power of his queen, beyond the dragons. Everyone is on their knees for her, and Daenerys has acquired another army in her path to the throne.

Though it was a visually stunning setpiece, I wasn’t very emotionally involved in Dany’s big moment. It lacked the visceral punch of the season 1 finale, and felt weirdly rushed. By contrast, the simpler personal moments between the Starks and the Greyjoys had a major impact and left me crying, and rewatching already. Though Game of Thrones can and does create incredible, large setpiece moments, its real power is usually in the quieter scenes between a few actors, and I wish the show would trust in this. The drama is found in the characters, not in the flames.

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    1. Woot! What an episode! The ending kinda bordered on cheesy, like the crowdsurfing scene from season 3. But, story-wise, it’s freakin awesome! Now: Westward Ho the Dragons! (by the end of the season hopefully)

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    2. Did I miss the part when Sansa told Jon about Bran, Rickon and Arya being alive ? It seems like she says “we owe it to them to take Winter fell back” and Jon shows no surprise at the news…….. Also, loved the reunion scene!!!

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    3. Castle Black (A): Yeah, this was good stuff, from the big-ticket reunion to Tormund’s glorious reaction shots to Brienne. If there’s one niggle I have here, it’s that there’s so much to be said between Jon and Sansa that you almost imagine the writers being unable to write such a conversation that wouldn’t take up most of the episode, and as a result there’s some stuff I’d have really wanted to see. Does she know about the White Walkers now, and Jon coming back from the dead? Both of those would be pretty major, for a character who has conspicuously had nothing to do with the supernatural for five seasons. But anyway, I’m pleased.

      Runestone (D): Ugh, in the midst of an episode that ranged from pretty solid to great in other plots, this was just a reminder of how stupid the plotting can get at points. Littlefinger’s plan is, if I’m following this, to show up and claim Sansa was abducted, but to not even pretend to be concerned about it (he literally starts the conversation by distributing gifts like a visiting uncle), and then to tacitly admit to Royce that he’s up to no good and then threaten Royce with immediate execution even though they’re in his castle. Where are Royce’s men? Why, as soon as Littlefinger leaves, would Royce not go get his men and the other lords and then cut Baelish’s head off? Like, this is an attempt to justify the Valemen going North that is actively dumber than if the Valemen had just bought Littlefinger’s story about Sansa being abducted.

      Meereen (B+): It’s fine. The interactions with Tyrion, Grey Worm and Missandei were a lot more compelling this time around.

      Vaes Dothrak (A-): I was kind of expecting the climactic temple scene to cut to Jorah and Daario outside with empty cans of gasoline, considering how fast that place went up, but yeah, that was pretty cool. I like that Jorah was visibly deteriorating in his fight scene.

      Winterfell (B-): At least they got that over with quickly. I was physically relieved when Ramsay stabbed Osha and she died.

      Iron Islands (B+): Theon found a ship to take him home somewhere, I see. Anyway, quick scene, great acting.

      DragonWench39:
      Did I miss the part when Sansa toldJon about Bran, Rickon and Arya being alive ?It seems like she says “we owe it to them to take Winter fell back”and Jon shows no surprise at the news…….. So, loved the reunion scene!!!

      Jon already knows Bran and Rickon are alive — well, he never mentioned Rickon, but one can assume he knew. I’d have liked to see him hear about Arya, just because he hasn’t mentioned her since Season 1, unless I’m forgetting something.

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    4. I’ve legit been crying over Jonsa/Jansa for about three hours now ……. I’m no even ashamed pal. Strangely, the name for it here is Jansa, whereas tumblr is almost exclusively Jonsa, so it’s always a culture shock to see Jansa lmao.

      DragonWench39,

      I would guess it was sometime between the cut. It seems like Sansa and Jon were together for a good few hours between her arriving and the scene in his room.

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    5. Really great recap. Tormund and Brienne. Swoon.

      I think your last point, about character moments, versus set piece moments, actually stumbles upon something bigger story wise. Danny doesn’t have family like the Starks have each other. All her relationships are business for the most part, so to speak.

      I think the High Sparrow is setting up Cersei. I do not think he told Tommen about the supposed wlak of shame just to “share” with the boy king. I think HS KNEW Tommen would take it back to his mother. And, I wouldn’t be surprised if the counsel – Kevan, Pycell, Olenna who all hate Cersei – cooked this up in cahoots with the HS. Keep Tommen as figure head, and the real power for themselves.

      I also wonder if the High Sparrow’s story to Margery has some clues either to his past, or his future plans. It spans the title of the episode after all, and they spent quiet a few minutes on it.

      overall, great episode. Lots to rewatch.

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    6. Lisa0527,

      Margaret mentions it in her scene with the High Sparrow, referring to a holy text, but someone who knows the minutiae can better explain what it means than I can.

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    7. The preview for Episode 5 shows a teleporting Littlefinger. Or teleporting LF and Sansa. Whatever the case, not happy about that.

      I enjoyed the reunion; Jon’s PTSD? Not so much.

      We can see that Mel is not going to make it out of this season alive or, undead, or whatever she is. Shireen Baratheon is a score that will have to be settled; only Life can pay for Death.

      I enjoyed Daenerys scene but it is also pretty clear that we are just off the reservation now in terms of books and TV series. I guess the greatest thing about that is that we are getting our fix while still avoiding spoilers, because there is no way that GRRM resolves the Dothraki like that.

      I enjoyed the scene though.

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    8. DragonWench39:
      Did I miss the part when Sansa toldJon about Bran, Rickon and Arya being alive ?It seems like she says “we owe it to them to take Winter fell back”and Jon shows no surprise at the news…….. Also, loved the reunion scene!!!

      yes, I think it was implied, and we were to infer, that the two had already caught up and filled each other in. Sansa also was not surprised about what Jon has been through.

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    9. These KL sequences desperately need Bronn to just come on screen once in a while and say “It’s Jaime Fookin’ Lannister” just to invigorate the KL mood up a bit…

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    10. “Pivotal” would be the word to describe that episode. It feels like the whole series just shifted.

      I had high hopes. This one definitely did not disappoint.

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    11. I think Jerome Flynn was filming the fourth season of Ripper Street (where he’s a lead) at the same time GoT was filming last fall, so that may have been an issue. He’s definitely in this season, but not until later. Strictly speaking, he hasn’t really been needed for any scenes if we’re being honest here.

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    12. Great recap Sue!!

      I thoroughly enjoyed this episode… particularly (besides Jansa!) the mating ritual of Tormund 🙂

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    13. Great episode with a stunning finale. Nice to see Dany having to act herself rather than relying on others/Drogon.

      I did see a few criticisms in the other thread, which I’m too tired to address now, but I will say this: this show is “Game of Thrones”, it is not “A Song of Ice and Fire”. I don’t care if someone is more powerful in GoT, I don’t care if someone is killed off earlier in GoT. I care about quality storytelling that makes sense within the context of the show. Everything in this episode met that criterium. I don’t give a shit what happens/would happen “in the books”, and find the tedious comparisons bizarre. I love the books and the TV show, but I understand that they are different and why they are different.

      Some people are going to be upset when TWOW is published, and even more upset when the series isn’t finished. Thankfully D&D are working their socks off to give us a completed TV series.

      My full thoughts on the episode, and what I liked/didn’t like will come later, but I felt I had to get this off my chest (don’t worry I won’t mention those books again in this thread).

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    14. Izatty:
      I think the High Sparrow is setting up Cersei. I do not think he told Tommen about the supposed wlak of shame just to “share” with the boy king. I think HS KNEW Tommen would take it back to his mother. And, I wouldn’t be surprised if the counsel – Kevan, Pycell, Olenna who all hate Cersei – cooked this up in cahoots with the HS. Keep Tommen as figure head, and the real power for themselves.

      Oh he’s setting Cersei up alright. He will cook it all down to releasing Margaery while having Tommen publicly commit to a trial of his Mother in return.

      Because the High Sparrow knows she will choose a trial by combat and believes he has the winning horse.

      The problem for the High Sparrow is that if Loras kills himself, a free Margaery — and a Margaery free of Cersei and Kevan and Pycelle — is going to ensure that the Faith Militant is wiped from Westeros.

      I, for one, look forward to that episode; whether it is this season or next. But it’s coming.

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    15. The title should have been Sisters or something along that theme (I know Sisters sound dull, but so do Home), not some chapter from Seven Pointed Star which no one cares about.

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    16. Jon and Sansa are so hot together. Yeah, I said it! Loved the reunion even more on second watch. I’m starting to dig Jon’s cautious, almost pacifist demeanor. I don’t believe many expected him to be this way after he returned. Maybe he will be the uniter, the voice of reason, and bridge between ice and fire?

      Dany was about what was expected. I was hoping for Drogon. Maybe not to save her, but at least to show up. Don’t care about her being fireproof in the show. This was obvious back in season 1. No need to moan about it now. Ok, she has the Dothraki and Unsullied. Off to Westeros, Khaleesi! Like pronto!

      Jorah’s spank bank is full for the forseeable future.

      Ramsay Stu can go ahead and get dead.

      I can buy Theon’s last remaining purpose being to support his sister. I would like to see him smile again.

      Meereen was pretty decent. Much more so than usual. Can’t wait for the new hot red priestesses.

      Bronze Yohn Royce’s voice is so damn irritating.

      Overall, I’d rate this episode behind 2 and 3, ahead of 1. Episode 5 looks interesting. Can’t wait for the return of Bran, and as mentioned, the new red priestess. Hopefully Mel gets some time with Jon in this episode too.

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    17. Steel_Wind: Oh he’s setting Cersei up alright. He will cook it all down to releasing Margaery while having Tommen publicly commit to a trial of his Mother in return.

      Because the High Sparrow knows she will choose a trial by combat and believes he has the winning horse.

      The problem for the High Sparrow is that if Loras kills himself, a free Margaery— and a Margaery free of Cersei and Kevan and Pycelle — is going to ensure that the Faith Militant is wiped from Westeros.

      I, for one, look forward to that episode; whether it is this season or next. But it’s coming.

      Me too! I was never an admirer of Margaery, but today’s episode changed that.

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    18. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Jon and Sansa are so hot together. Yeah, I said it! Loved the reunion even more on second watch. I’m starting to dig Jon’s cautious, almost pacifist demeanor. I don’t believe many expected him to be this way after he returned. Maybe he will be the uniter, the voice of reason, and bridge between ice and fire?

      Dany was about what was expected. I was hoping for Drogon. Maybe not to save her, but at least to show up. Don’t care about her being fireproof in the show. This was obvious back in season 1. No need to moan about it now. Ok, she has the Dothraki and Unsullied. Off to Westeros, Khaleesi! Like pronto!

      Jorah’s spank bank is full for the forseeable future.

      Ramsay Stu can go ahead and get dead.

      I can buy Theon’s last remaining purpose being to support his sister. I would like to see him smile again.

      Meereen was pretty decent. Much more so than usual. Can’t wait for the new hot red priestesses.

      Bronze Yohn Royce’s voice is so damn irritating.

      Overall, I’d rate this episode behind 2 and 3, ahead of 1. Episode 5 looks interesting. Can’t wait for the return of Bran, and as mentioned, the new red priestess. Hopefully Mel gets some time with Jon in this episode too.

      No you are right they are, thats why i cant wait how that plays out, its got so much potential. Jansa/Jonsa

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    19. Steel_Wind: Oh he’s setting Cersei up alright. He will cook it all down to releasing Margaery while having Tommen publicly commit to a trial of his Mother in return.

      Because the High Sparrow knows she will choose a trial by combat and believes he has the winning horse.

      The problem for the High Sparrow is that if Loras kills himself, a free Margaery— and a Margaery free of Cersei and Kevan and Pycelle — is going to ensure that the Faith Militant is wiped from Westeros.

      I, for one, look forward to that episode; whether it is this season or next. But it’s coming.

      I think there will be a trial by combat, but also something more sinister too. not sure exactly how it plays out. But overall, I agree with you. And, more than Margery, Danny is on her way to Westeros. So, HS is not long for this world. thank the gods

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    20. Lisa0527:
      I’m sure this is a stupid question…but why was it called “Book of the Stranger”?

      Nothing wrong in you missing that, because it was mentioned during High Sparrow’s droning to Margaery. The holy book of the Seven is called Seven Pointed Star, and ‘Book of the Stranger’ is a part of that text. Like Genesis and all in the Bible. Margaery says Septa Unella reads it ‘at her’.

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    21. Great episode. I thought everything was fantastic (except for meereen) which was still good. Season 6 has been great. Does anybody else think it could possibly top season 4 like d & d said? I though episodes one and three this season were solid and 2 and 4 were fantastic. Id say based on the first 4 episodes season 6 is slightly ahead. Two swords is a better premiere, and I’d give the slight edge to the lion and the rose, but I thought book of the stranger definitely tops oath keeper. If the show can keep this up I will be very very happy

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    22. Sue

      Thanks, thought I missed something there! Now I am curious about that conversation, like Sean C. mentioned, how much does Sansa know about the threat the Others pose….!???

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    23. I think I’m going to be sitting out a bit this week on the boards. Dany didn’t shock or awe me, but I’m glad she’s getting the f outta dodge. She didn’t ruin the episode for you, your impossible expectations did.

      Also I’m seeing comments about Emilia’s body, which, just shut up right now and go look in some mirrors, you douches. You can criticize the scene and not say she’s “fat as f*ck”. BE BETTER PEOPLE.

      Tormienne forever and I don’t care who knows it.

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    24. Seven Hells, that was SO GOOD. My favorite episode of the season so far (and I’m loving this season to death). I think it’s one of my favorites of the entire series. Top 10 for sure. As for just how high it ranks? Well, I’ll need to watch it again, won’t I? 😉

      Everywhere else I’ve checked on the Internet so far, the reaction has been almost universally ecstatic. So scrolling through the Open Chat thread, I was honestly stunned by the number of negative comments that I’ve saw about the episode. That’s not to say I’m condemning those opinions – people feel how they feel. But I’m definitely surprised, because I loved every second of “Book of the Stranger”.

      Collectively, Castle Black was the highlight of the episode. I adored everything that happened there, from Jon and Sansa’s heartfelt reunion (which was perfect) to Tormund’s hilarious flirtation with Brienne at the table (that ‘ship may be new, but it’s phenomenal. Long may it reign). The Pink Letter was chilling, as was everything that happened in Winterfell before it (RIP Osha, though considering what Ramsay might have done, it was probably the cleanest end she could hope for). But the scenes in every location – the Iron Islands, King’s Landing, Meereen, the Vale – just sung for me tonight, on both viewings. I’ve seen some complaints that the middle section of the episode dragged a bit, but that wasn’t the case for me. I loved that too.

      And then there was the ending scene with Dany. God, that was amazing. I was expecting Drogon to fly in and burn the temple to the ground, but this was so, so much better.

      I’ll have more to say tomorrow, but I do have one position that I need to make quite clear. Over the course of the next week – and probably for as long as the show is discussed on the Internet – there is going to be a cadre of book readers who criticize the final scene on the grounds that “GRRM says that Dany actually isn’t immune to fire”. That’s fine, and that may be true in his books. People are welcome to hold that against the show, or to dislike the scene for any other reason they choose. But with respect to how that scene played out in the show and the emotional response it elicited from me, my personal feelings about that particular criticism can be summed up in five simple words: “I”. “Do”. “Not.” “Fucking.” “Care.” That scene was spectacular.

      OK, that’s nine words. But you get the idea. 😉

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    25. I agree with Sue, the Jon /Sansa reunion alone made this episode for me. And it doesn’t surprise me in the least that Tormund would want Brienne haha.

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    26. DragonWench39,

      Not to pile on this comment, but I don’t think that really implies they’re alive either. Even if dead, they owe it to their kin to take Winterfell back. Sansa obviously doesn’t know if Arya is alive either, so it’s not like she would be spreading that news.

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    27. deekan: Though it was a visually stunning setpiece, I wasn’t very emotionally involved in Dany’s big moment. It lacked the visceral punch of the season 1 finale, and felt weirdly rushed.

      Though it was a visually stunning setpiece, I wasn’t very emotionally involved in Dany’s big moment. It lacked the visceral punch of the season 1 finale, and felt weirdly rushed.

      Yeah….I’m seeing a lot of this reaction.

      I fully agree. I mean I didn’t “hate” it, but it felt like it was condensing something bigger from the upcoming novel or something?

      (shrug)

      It didn’t “detract” from anything, just lacked some emotional punch, as already said.

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    28. Nice to get some joy – Sansa and Jon, Brienne and Tormund. And Brienne was a colossus today. I was wondering how all the information stew between her and Davos and Mel would play out but she intimidated them. So many good moments. Jorah and Daario had another lame conversation and the Vale stuff was hard to believe but Kings Landing was very good. My episode ratings are now 4> 2> 1> 3 but the standard has been solid overall.

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    29. Sue,

      Great recap!

      I share your “intense joy in watching Tormund eat in her (Brienne’s) direction with emphatic ginger eyebrows.” What made it even better? Edd’s reaction!!!

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    30. This was a strong episode all around. Better than last week’s.

      I was very worried that the changes to the Greyjoys storyline the past few years (wacky raid on Dreadfort, having Theon home BEFORE the Kingsmoot) would wreck things, but the scene sold it pretty well — mostly it was just acknowledging “they would logically have a conversation about failed rescue attempt, wouldn’t they?”

      But ultimately not too significantly changed or anything….yet, at least…flowed logically, and sold by strong acting, and I’m happy Yara wasn’t unsympathetic at the end.

      Meereen parts also very strong, very happy to see Razdal again, political manuevering, etc.

      King’s Landing Small Council parts felt like the good kind of wrangling and deal making we used to see, not just treading water.

      Good to see Loras getting a great acting performance, but I want the show to ultimately give him something to do on a larger scale (though within this episode it’s fine). Good Margaery acting as you point out.

      So yeah….I thought the Dothraki scenes were *pleasant* up until the final confrontation, in which it felt kind of anticlimactic…not even that, just “lack of emotional punch”, but I wonder if this is what the next novel will actually do – tonally it felt like a condensation. But it was serviceable enough that I can’t outright complain that it “detracted” or anything.

      ….Obviously Sansa’s storyline has been heavily condensed but all of her scenes with Jon were great.

      LOVED that we got some followup on Brienne with Davos and Melisandre. Brienne has already, ALREADY had more to do this season than last season.

      ….merging the Pink Letter into the TV show this way is more of an arc complaint, not for this episode in and of itself, and after last week was kind of predicted as the route they’re taking. Fair enough.

      The only possible point of contention is killing off Osha.

      To be honest, for the episode, it worked, and felt logical – under torture Theon would assuredly have told Ramsay how Osha broke the Stark boys out in the first place and is entirely loyal to them.

      This ties into the more broad question: it isn’t “well, once Sansa was married to Ramsay, of course he’d rape her” but “why marry Sansa to Ramsay in the first place?”

      So we can’t just ask “Did Osha’s death make sense in this episode?” but “did it make sense to merge Rickon and Osha in the TV version in such a way that they’re Ramsay’s prisoners?”

      …can’t really say without knowing what Rickon gets up to in the next novel on Skagos.

      However:

      1 – We kind of knew Skagos would get condensed out.

      2 – This kind of fits with how spearwives infiltrating Winterfell worked in the novels, many died.

      3 – …TV-Osha was already VERY significantly different from book-Osha since Season 1.

      So….I’m more worried about the season-long decision to merge Rickon with …Mance Rayder?…to make Rickon Ramsay’s prisoner and kill Shaggydog. Frankly I’m more upset about Shaggydog.

      But no strong complaints about this *specific* episode.

      Oh, one: GOLD HONORS are measured in the THOUSANDS. They’re…they’re like the pesos of Planetos, or the yen. One dwarf slave is not worth ONE Gold Honor! Five THOUSAND for a pair of fighting slaves is thought to be insultingly *low*.

      Otherwise my thoughts are line for line with Sue’s.

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    31. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Hmm. I have not seen one criticism of Emilia’s body here. But she’s not fat, I don’t get it. Anyways, yeah those kind of remarks would be annoying but as for reading different opinions on how people want events to play out, that doesn’t bother me at all. It’s kind of normal that everybody won’t like the same things. I don’t let other people’s views dampen my own enjoyment of something.

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    32. “GRRM says that Dany actually isn’t immune to fire”. That’s fine, and that may be true in his books. People are welcome to hold that against the show, or to dislike the scene for any other reason they choose.

      Well my thoughts are ambivalent – basically:

      1 – My immediate reaction was “maybe something magic will happen AGAIN to make her immune to fire” and shrug.

      2 -…the scene seems kind of condensed in such a way that I don’t think it’s exactly as the novel does it, but it is at least self-consistent.

      I mean by the same logic….in early seasons Bran didn’t have Greensight visions ALL the time, AT WILL, but that didn’t prevent them from still occurring at convenient times as the plot required.

      I’m more worried about other changes.

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    33. Best parts: Tormund and Brienne, Margaery and Loras, and seeing Osha one last time (love love love her, sniff)

      I am ready to strangle Jaime for continuing as Cersei’s sheep, following her around like a puppy. Are they really not going to change this?

      My least favourite episode of the season, 5/10 and 4 of those points were for Tormund. 🙂

      Also….is there a reason for the man bun? No, really. Does it symbolize the new Jon? The other NW men seem to know it’s already out of style. Ned had a half-ponytail thing. But why the man bun? Is he disassociating from him hair? Distinguishing himself as not part of the Watch and seeing things more clearly without the locks in his face? Embarrassed that Mel clipped his hair in an uneven fashion? So many questions.

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    34. Ok first of the Wall:

      The reunion was sweet as was Sansa`s apoligy for “mistreating” Jon in their youth.

      Ramsey doesn`t want his Reek back? Has he forgoten about him already?

      Reading the Pink Letter while having a quiet lunch is kinda underwhelming. That and Jon´s lame reaction to it. I tought he would go crazy when he reads it but he was so depressed (even more than he was before) it takes Sansa to encourage him on!?

      Osha got it easy knowing Ramsey.

      2000 on 5000 ? It confirms that estimate that the Stark army will be twice as small as Boltons.

      Mereen i found enjoyable for the first time.

      Dany “rescuing” herself using flamethrower fire holders 🙂 LOL was i guess better than Drogon coming to the rescure for the third time. Seeing her tits again made it better for me.

      King Landing was boring as was the Iron Islands.

      P.S.
      When was the last time in the tv show that someone sent a message by raven, or even mentioned it? It used to be one of the main catch lines of the tv show that got into mainstream….

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    35. You’re not going to serve
      [Valar Dohaeris]

      You’re going to die
      [Valar Morghulis]

      And an unknowing burnt offering of 15 to R’hllor

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    36. Jared,
      I agree! Next time’s what? The Kingsmoot and Bran learns something about the Night’s King? I can’t wait, the show’s moving at such a speed now.

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    37. Hoyti Von Totiy,
      “Reading the Pink Letter while having a quiet lunch is kinda underwhelming. That and Jon´s lame reaction to it. I tought he would go crazy when he reads it but he was so depressed (even more than he was before) it takes Sansa to encourage him on!?”

      Yes this! I watched it again and still not liking it. Jon is too laid back, all the fire gone out of him. His reaction just didn’t ring true for me. Also, just sitting around the table quietly eating and a comment even about the food and how it’s “not important” if the food isn’t good. What are D and D trying to do, taking the “epic” quality out of the very things that would hold up to it and are expected.I cannot even believe that I would be enjoying Dany more than my boy Jon at this point 🙁

      Plus they are trying their hardest it seems to downplay the rez. Not even a communication between Jon and Mel by now? He doesn’t have questions for her, really??

      ON a happier note I did love that the reunion played out the it did, with surprise and warm embrace 🙂

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    38. Loved the episode the Sansa and Jon stuff was so great I can’t even believe it! I liked season five a lot and don’t agree with many of the complaints.Everything they did made sense and was well executed.My only problem with it was that it was too dark and depressing basically nothing good happened.I understand that it was part of the story and made for good tv but boy am I enjoying this season.It has drama but also the promise of payback I love it so much

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    39. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      I see what you mean, on one particular site it seems there are quite a few narrow-minded teenage basement dwellers. Nobody should give any import to what they say. IRL Emilia seems pretty wholesome and girl next door type. I like that about her.

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    40. It’s not the books but it sure is entertaining as hell! Great episode.
      Did Tyrion just sell the Great Masters the Brooklyn Bridge? It sure seemed like it!

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    41. OTP? Somebody help an old guy out.

      Also, can we stop with the combining of names already? Damn that shit is irritating.
      Jonsa? Jansa? Who cares? They are siblings, not fucking. But we can quit with it for people that are fucking too. It’s like when the media throws “gate” at the end of the newest “scandal”. It is lazy, unoriginal, and played out at this point.

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    42. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Sansa and Jon are reunited, and you’re banging on about his man bun? Huh.

      Are the 2 related? Huh.

      But yes, although that was meant to be mostly humourous, it does make me wonder who decided that was the thing to do, considering how many people ‘bang on about’ his hair so bloody much.

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    43. OTP? Somebody help an old guy out.

      Also, can we stop with the combining of names already? Damn that shit is irritating.
      Jonsa? Jansa? Who cares? They are siblings, not fucking. But we can quit with it for people that are fucking too. It’s like when the media throws “gate” at the end of the newest “scandal”. It is lazy, unoriginal, and played out at this point.

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    44. Fancy word for a sellsword,

      Right? I feel like everyone is getting into place for an epic end of the series. The board has been set, pieces have been strategically placed, now it’s time to play chess! (Er… Perhaps the true game of thrones? )HAR

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    45. Does anyone else think this season is already better than season 5? I think this season so far has been really really good.

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    46. One thing I noticed about that cozy little dinner at Castle Black: There was someone representing the following:
      Jon – Targaryen heir (he will be.)
      Sansa – Stark heir
      Brienne – Baratheon loyalist
      Pod – Lannister loyalist
      Edd – of the Night’s Watch
      Tormund – of the Freefolk
      Only Mormont’s raven is missing to represent greenseers and CoTF

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    47. Azzer:
      Does anyone else think this season is already better than season 5? I think this season so far has been really really good.

      For me, this season became better than season 5 when they showed young Lyanna.

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    48. Also I love Jon post resurrection.I like that he is basically like I just want to be warm and fuck this shit lol.Of course he needs convincing,if you were revived would you be so willing to basically just go and die again.It’s only family that gives him reason

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    49. How did the ground catch fire? Just kicking over braziers doesn’t generally set earth on fire. Even if the place was carpeted (which it wasn’t) how did it spread so fast? Only explanation I could think of was it’s wild fire, but where the hell did she get wild fire?

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    50. And by looking at Ep 5 preview we see that Littlefinger teleport is still active since he came to the north before the whole Vale army and managed to find Sansa in some shack in the woods!!!

      Maybe he´s some kind of a wizard like a creepy Gandalf. That and only that would explain it. 🙂

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    51. Dany is not going to any scene like what we got of Jon and sansa or yara and theon..
      She does not have anyone who is called as family…the only one she had abused her and sold her for an army ..

      That’s why it hurt her so much to know about jorah’s betrayal..

      Only moments dany could have had similar to this is when she thinks about house with red door or as a little girl running towards stretched arms of ser willem ..she did have some of those with jorah and missandei and barristan but those have been omitted in the show ..

      So this is one of side that make me feel for dany …she doesn’t have anyone to run into or solemnly believe in and no one wants her for who she is but only for her dragons .

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    52. Pigeon,

      Look at the pic of Jonsa hugging in this recap. He needed to wear a bun otherwise Sansa would’ve had his gel-filled hair all up in her face.

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    53. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Oh tell me about it ..I knee how responses will be in here and westeros.org ..
      But when I went to imdb yesterday to check anything have leaked and only found ten or so threads about emilia being fat

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    54. ygritte,

      By chance, did you wish Jon’s resurrection was more epic in nature, say waking up from his funeral pyre or something similar? I get it. We all had pre-conceived notions about how Jon would be when he returned from the dead, and most of us expected a ruthless and feral Jon, who had spent time trapped in Ghost’s conscience and become part of the beast. But in a season where people are saying that it is becoming too predictable, Jon’s aversion to fighting and cautious approach is a true surprise, and it is one I am growing to like. The idea that Jon may be the peacemaker between ice and fire is starting to make a lot of sense. Obviously he will fight, but in the end there will likely need to be a truce, and not just one side annihilating and extinguishing the other.

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    55. Jenny:
      Also I love Jon post resurrection.I like that he is basically like I just want to be warm and fuck this shit lol.Of course he needs convincing,if you were revived would you be so willing to basically just go and die again.It’s only family that gives him reason

      Especially when he knows that there is apparently nothing after death! I like how the writers have handled post-rez Jon too. Less God-like, more human. I have no doubts he will get his motivation back, it does not matter if it takes him an episode or two to get there.
      And I loved assertive, confident Sansa too! Jonsa/ Jansa 2016!!

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    56. Pigeon,

      Sorry, you lose tone in text 🙂 I get what you’re saying, about Jon changing his appearance, but I thought it makes sense for him to put on the last clothes he had on when he entered “prison”, so to speak; If he’s not a brother anymore, he’s gotta take off the uniform and should put his old clothes on. Seemed logical to me. He wants to separate from CB, from the place in which he tried to help and was betrayed. I’d want a fucking makeover too.

      (And as someone whose had a wide variety of hair lengths, his new cut probably didn’t tuck so well behind his ears yet so the half up bun is a hairstyle that is practical and can be explained away as a common northern men’s style. Bet you there’s bobby pins in there.)

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    57. ygritte,

      I agree about Jon and Melisandre! They need a long scene together with him asking some questions. It doesn’t make sense that you wouldn’t be curious about the person who brought you back to life.
      Also the glamour thing, will this somehow be of importance in the future?

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    58. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      And by looking at Ep 5 preview we see that Littlefinger teleport is still active since he came to the north before the whole Vale army and managed to find Sansa in some shack in the woods!!!

      Maybe he´s some kind of a wizard like a creepy Gandalf.That and only that would explain it.

      Maybe that’s the inn at the crossroads 😀

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    59. dragonbringer:
      Dany is not going to any scene like what we got of Jon and sansa or yara and theon..
      She does not have anyone who is called as family…the only one she had abused her and sold her for an army

      Not right now maybe, but one day she will?? 🙂 Of course, there is no saying how that meeting might go, whether they will be together or opposed to each other!
      Yeah, Dany’s back-story is the most humanizing and sympathetic factor about her character for me.

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    60. Looking back I can’t imagine how close I got with my prediction regarding dany scenes..

      But still feel like there should have been more time spent on building up the tension and shock on khals face when dany touched the brazier ..those fires when khal moro died looked like some cheap Cgi used in the movies ..it didnt look like game of thrones ..

      But other than that loved it ..Emilia delievered or what ..

      PS jorah just can’t keep his eyes down right .,he just takes advantage of everytime he gets to see his khalessi naked ..even back in season he can’t keep his eyes down when everyone was and same here again

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    61. The third member of this festive trio is Belicho Paenymion (Eddie Jackson), who based on the name I’m guessing is supposed to be a combination of the Volantene triarchs from the novels.

      Ha, that’s great! I thought that the third master in the room was the representative from Volantis, but I’d missed the fact that he’d been named until now. First Wun Wun, now Belicho. We may be mostly past the books, but Benioff and Weiss are taking great care to incorporate one the most critical Easter eggs from GRRM’s ASOIAF into the show – the surreptitious references to his favorite and least favorite football teams! 😉

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    62. Kind of sad that there will be no more of khal moro and Joe

      Really liked him in his brief presence .

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    63. dragonbringer:
      Looking back I can’t imagine how close I got with my prediction regarding dany scenes..

      But still feel like there should have been more time spent on building up the tension and shock on khals face when dany touched the brazier ..those fires when khal moro died looked like some cheap Cgi used in the movies ..it didnt look like game of thrones ..

      But other than that loved it ..Emilia delievered or what ..

      PS jorah just can’t keep his eyes down right .,he just takes advantage of everytime he gets to see his khalessi naked ..even back in season he can’t keep his eyes down when everyone was and same here again

      You called it. Nice job. I’m wondering if we’ll see Drogon next episode since he wasn’t in the preview.

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    64. dragonbringer,

      Yeah i can’t stand Dany in her bitch mode. Killing everyone isn’t the way to gain respect. Can’t imagine her sitting on the iron throne. Maybe she sacrifices herself and the dragons in the fight against the Others.

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    65. Wow…whenever I think that this site has re-deemed itself with the wonderful curtain calls for the cast, you come and read this and some of the comments here and wow…

      “What do you think about this Stewie?!”
      “Not good, Brian, not good…”

      Well at least Maester Pycelle’s terrified fart makes up for all the rest of the shit…

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    66. loco73:
      Wow…whenever I think that this site has re-deemed itself with the wonderful curtain calls for the cast, you come and read this and some of the comments here and wow…

      “What do you think about this Stewie?!”
      “Not good, Brian, not good…”

      Well at least Maester Pycelle’sterrified fart makes up for all the rest of the shit…

      What do you mean “redeemed itself”?

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    67. Jack Bauer 24,

      I think he will be in the episode 6 blood of my blood ..

      That will be when dany start marching towards meereen ..

      And that shot of drogon is dany is on top of drogon i am calling it …dany motions the khalsar to move forward by flying drogon over them .

      JonFookinSnow,

      Some people never learn or understand do they ..
      Or maybe they are seeing different scene..
      In the scene i watched there was a group of khals who were happily saying to her face they will rape her and then let their khalasar rape her and then their horsea too .

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    68. She was CGI naked this time right?? But naked all the same. My kind of woman! When she is a brunette, I find 0 attractive. Yes, it seems I have a blonde fetish

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    69. dragonbringer:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      I think he will be in the episode 6 blood of my blood ..

      That will be when dany start marching towards meereen ..

      And that shot of drogonis dany is on top of drogon i am calling it …dany motions the khalsar to move forward by flying drogon over them .

      JonFookinSnow,

      Some people never learn or understand do they ..
      Or maybe they are seeing different scene..
      In the scene i watched there was a group of khals who were happily saying to her face they will rape her and then let their khalasar rape her and then their horsea too .

      Do you think Dany will be in the next episode?

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    70. deekan:
      Woot! What an episode! The ending kinda bordered on cheesy, like the crowdsurfing scene from season 3. But, story-wise, it’s freakin awesome! Now: Westward Ho the Dragons! (by the end of the season hopefully)

      I agree on both counts. I’m excited for Dany to finally get to Westeros!

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    71. dragonbringer,

      The scene was terrible. It’s always so easy for Daenerys to get what she wants, isn’t it?
      And those Khals, aren’t they supposed to be badass warriors? But they couldn’t stay focused and try to find a way out this wooden hut instead of running around and screaming like little girls?
      Visually stuning yes, but nothing else.

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    72. Great recap as usual. Ladies Night. Love. 🙂

      First: For anyone still complaining about the female characters taking the lead this episode… Have you seen this show? None of this is out of the blue. None of these women are new characters. They’ve all been there dealing with extraordinary circumstances for 6 seasons, and losing the men who thought they were running things as they went-or surviving psychopaths. So hush.

      I was right about Dany and the fire. I just knew it. I’m not going to say she’s a great ruler, because let’s be honest…but she conquers like a boss. It’s her signature move. She’s a walking heavy metal album cover when she conquers. Dracarys.
      PS the people who think that was too cheesy. Find another way for her, a tiny little woman without a horse, to take over every single khalasar in one fell stroke in one episode so she can get back on her story path and some day make it to Westeros without being “rescued”. AND for anyone saying the first time was blood magic…wasn’t this? All the khals. All the Dothraki kings basically being burned alive. Anyway you slice it, this was a power play that won her absolute authority and got rid of guys who couldn’t form a sentence without threatening to rape someone. Yay fire.

      King’s Landing–Cersei is still too calm. How long is she planning on holding those crazy cards? We know it’s happening. Also yes, High Sparrow absolutely playing his own game here. Loras really wants to die and Marg wins at holding out against the High Sparrow and Septa of Shame. Still growing strong, you pompous old windbags.

      Super Evil Ramsay being super evil and killing a fantastic character, crushing my dreams and making me nervous and just tired of his leer. Ugh.

      Mereen-Tyrion is nation building but I’m not sure he’s explaining himself well enough for Missendei and Greyworm. I saw Varys share that look with her. No one knows how to get out of this knot. Release the Kraken…and those dragons.

      Now I don’t know who will try and kill who first. Daario or Jorah. Also, are we noticing how winded he got walking up the hill? Last season he was a badass in the arena. Greyscale moves fast. Nooooooo

      Yara and Theon-great acting. When he saw his home and looked down like he didn’t deserve to see it… Amazing.

      Now that that’s out of the way, CASTLE BLACK was everything tonight.
      I cried. I have not been a Sansa lover in the past but I cried when they saw each other. That hug reminded me so much of when he said goodbye to Arya, and the first episodes in Winterfell. It was an intense moment.
      It’s very jarring to feel Edd’s disappointment and see Sansa’s disbelief when he ignores the WW threat and what the Bolton’s have done and…hesitates. It was jarring. No matter what’s happened he is still a good guy and not a “So long, I’ll be on a tropical island until the world ends” type of man. But he’s lost. He’s still in recovery for heaven’s sake. HE DIED. Worse, he was murdered by people he trusted.
      While we’re on the subject–I know we had a lot to cover but is Sansa really cool with everything we assume he told her off camera? Zombie army? Resurrection?
      “Yeah that’s great and all. Let me tell you about MY day” lol
      But other than me wondering about that, it was fantastic. They laughed and remembered old Nan and she apologized for being a spoiled little princess-which she totally was. And then she got this light in her eyes that I’ve never seen in this actress and started talking about taking it back. I don’t know if her vow with Brienne and/or seeing an actual living family member since the end of season one did it, but she just became the character I’d always hoped she would be. As soon as Jon snaps out of that murder ptsd I think they’ll be a badass team. (imo no not that kind of team. Eww. I don’t care how pretty they are.)

      Mel is basically running away from Davos at the mention of Stannis but Brienne is not holding back. I want Davos and Brienne to like each other, darn it! But of course it was going to be awkward at first. Shadow baby assassins can spoil any party.

      The dinner was epic from moment one-epic in it’s simplicity and body language. Now I’m a huge “I-will-cut-you” Braime fan. Their relationship in season 3 and in the books was…well it was my favorite thing. BUT for show purposes? That look on Tormund’s face when she came to CB and her hilt grab-then the way he makes her squirm and frown at dinner (he smiles when she does this-like she’s adorable-which I think she is) That was the best. I want them to flirt/fight. Or for someone to tell Brienne that he’s actually flirting, because I don’t think it has legitimately ever happened to her before. Maybe Sansa will mention it. Or Pod. He notices everything.

      The letter! It wasn’t pink but it was chilling. Come and see. He is his own horror movie and he needs to be destroyed.

      So…to sum up. Who runs the world? Girls, and that’s a good thing. Happy moments on Game of Thrones. It’s been so long since we’ve even cracked a smile, I think we’re still in shock. Genuine attraction without motive can happen in this world? Humor without cynicism and a glass of wine can happen in Westeros? Family reunions and fireside chats that don’t end in poison? Blows the mind. The one tiny northern cloud. Osha is the first person to die this season that I cared about. We didn’t even get to find out what they went through since they left Bran or anything. But I might have high-fived the air when Jon nodded, agreeing to gather the loyal North against Ramsay. The North is finally starting to remember.

      Preview freak out: LF is fast at traveling…and that face. He totally knew about Ramsay. Don’t lie. His northern friends might be the Umbers for all I know-which would mean he is responsible for all of the Stark suffering. Ned, Cat and Robb, Sansa, Bran’s attempted assassination and now Rickon’s capture…is he really that crafty? And why?
      Varys and the red priestess-she knows something!
      Bran-HOLY *&$!… Does anybody else have the feeling he jumped on the vision train without BR’s help or knowledge? Did he stay too long and now the NK knows he’s watching? Will he get out intact?
      Is it next week yet?

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    73. Jack Bauer 24,

      I hope she is in because the episode is ended with her So they should follow it up with her ..
      And she as already missed episode 2 so incase if she is sitting out of episode 9 then she as to appear in the remaining episodes to male it into her usual 8 episodes per season ..

      And last but not least an episode named door and dany not being present will be a huge mistake …no one is related to a door in the books than dany .

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    74. So this is the second episode I watched live on HBO GO during a Jetblue flight. Hat’s off to the people that make that work.

      Beyond that I loved the episode. I was wondering if the Lazareen khaleesi made the temple more flamable, because I wouldn’t go in there if I knew it was a death trap. I mean egress points weren’t to spec but still… every khal in a super-flamable building full of brazier lighting? Regardless, loved every minute of this episode. Well done!

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    75. Many moments have moved me in GOT but none like the painfully sweet: ¨Egg,I dreamed that I was old¨ from Maester Aemon´s deathbed and now,the Jon and Sansa reunion; I thought it was beautifully portrayed! I teared just seeing the way they ran to embrace each other after their initial shock

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    76. Dany is fireproof. Feels great to be vindicated.

      Great episode! Not as good as the last one but better then 1 and 2 in my opinion.

      Meereen: Was great. Tyrion is as funny and witty as always.

      KL: A bit suprised I liked it this much. Marg scenes with Loras/HS were amazing. Pryce yet again knocks me off my feet.

      WF: Iwan was strong as always. Glad he remembered what Theon told him. Sad to see Osha, mostly because of the actress.

      CB: Top-notch!! Sansa meeting Jon was amazing. Hope Davos doesn’t find about Shireen, it will kill him.. Sansa and Jon were simply amazing together.
      And LOL at Tormund eyeing Brienne!
      Only complaint is the PT. I thought it was strong and Jon’s reaction was great. He isn’t the kind of guy to rage and yell. I just wanted Iwan to narrate the latter because I love his voice.. It was still great though.

      Vale: Good to have Petyr back and I loved how he didn’t give a fuck about Royce. He simply manipulated Robin. I like that he is older and his word commands respect.

      VD: What is left to say? Simply amazing. Also feels good to be right.

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    77. Mihnea,

      I don’t hate her! I just wish her storyline would be more realistic and intersting. And that she would finally start to act like a actual queen. When was the last time that Dany made a good decision?
      Don’t go assuming things about some anonymous person on the internet.

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    78. I think it’s interesting that Jon tells Sansa “your father’s ghost.” Setting up subtly again that Ned isn’t his father. Could’ve just said “Father” like Jon did when talking to the boys or Arya.

      Also the fact that he says “where WE’RE going” – I don’t know that he’ll send her off alone to the Vale or to recruit northerners, not after getting the Pink Letter and reading Ramsay’s threats against her. They’ll go together

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    79. I CALLED IT!!! And even before the new photos got out! I’m a greenseer! Proof!

      No seriously, I would love to see them banter (and more?). Tormund deserves a woman who is just as fierce as he is, and Brienne deserves a man who is comfortable enough in his manliness and not stuck on Southern perceptions of what’s beautiful to see her as desireable. I ship it.

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    80. Also I loved how the show paused and took a few beats, had Sansa stand stock still while Jon walks down slowly to her, and for a second they both just stand there, not like wildly running to each other. Just letting those two register each other and the shock on Jon’s face… Wow

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    81. I absolutely LOVED it, and can’t wait for a second viewing tonight!

      I so agree with Sue and all the parallel sister-brother scenes, with the sisters being the strong, assertive & motivational ones. And the Stark reunion was just tone-perfect, I was a (very grateful) slobbering mess. This was a 6-year payoff we just witnessed, and it was so damn worth it! (multiply that by a million when Jon & Arya -hopefully – reunite). Very, very strong stuff and wonderfully handled. I am so excited for this season and all the even more awesomeness that’s coming up!

      I gather quite a few peeps are criticizing Daeny’s big scene, but how else should it have played out? How else would a small, powerless, horseless female prisoner manage to get out and get the Dothraki behind her, other than fire power, something superhuman? And of her own making, not with Drogon’s help again (thank the gods for that!). Of course it’s not as strong and new and unique as the birth of the dragons scene for us viewers, but you have to see it from the eyes of all those Dothraki. And Daario.

      Also, Tormund & Brienne PERFECTION. Or a Tormund, Brienne & Bear threesome??? :p

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    82. Nadia,

      He doesn’t say “your father’s ghost”, he says “if I don’t watch over you, father’s ghost…”. But Kit Harington kinda rushes through the line, so I understand if people hear it differentely.

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    83. Just rewatched Sansa and Jon again. Damn this hits hard.. I almost cried.

      D&D have my eternal gratitude because they actually gave Sansa a story.
      I really disliked her in the books and thought her story was among the worst.

      But they managed to turn her into one of my favourite characters!
      I love Dany, always did always will, but I’m much more excited for Sansa’s story! Loved Dany last night, hope she starts getting into the endgame soon.

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    84. Liked the episode, would’ve wanted to see Jon and Sansa talk about stuff that wasn’t relevant to the plot, like where Arya is. The reunion was perfect, though, and well written, although I’m failing to understand why Jon had to be persuaded by Sansa to go save Rickon from Ramsay. I get that he’s lost his will to fight anyone (I really don’t like that development, though I guess it might make more sense in the future when he tries to bring the different players in Westeros together to fight the white walkers), but he should want to save Rickon.

      Also, I don’t understand what they’re doing with the Mel/Jon plotline. People, “show don’t tell”, how hard can it be? We should understand and see why Mel thinks Jon’s the PTWP, having Mel repeatedly just say she thinks he’s the prince that was promised isn’t very compelling storytelling.

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    85. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      Pigeon,

      Sorry, you lose tone in text I get what you’re saying, about Jon changing his appearance, but I thought it makes sense for him to put on the last clothes he had on when he entered “prison”, so to speak; If he’s not a brother anymore, he’s gotta take off the uniform andshould put his old clothes on. Seemed logical to me. He wants to separate from CB, from the place in which he tried to help and was betrayed. I’d want a fucking makeover too.

      (And as someone whose had a wide variety of hair lengths, his new cut probably didn’t tuck so well behind his ears yet so the half up bun is a hairstyle that is practical and can be explained away as a common northern men’s style. Bet you there’s bobby pins in there.)

      Now I’m picturing a slow night at Castle Black, dozens of men gathered around tables, delicately making bobby pins and comparing them to each other’s. ……I think I need sleep. 😉

      I don’t blame Jon for acting differently, not being up for a fight from the get go. I had the flu recently and couldn’t even garner enough energy to do laundry for a week. Imagine being dead for a bit! That’d take the wind out of your sails but good.

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    86. DuckEggBlue,

      Daario’s reaction was priceless. He never saw Dany and the Dragons rising from the pyre, the way Jorah did, so he always had a much more relaxed relation with her.
      I can’t wait to see how he will be now!

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    87. JonFookinSnow,

      Do you realise you are speaking about the only one person well apart from edmure and Jon who thinks and cares about the people under her ..
      And you claim she does not act as a Queen..
      Maybe you should read ADWd and ASOs how she views her queenship and how she puts herself in front for them ..

      But I guess the wide view about she is terrible is popular I guess …I just want to know anyone who would have done well in meereen …that is the whole point GRRm creating mEereen that its not supposed to be ruled easily …its quite a feat to describe everything she does as terrible

      But i guess its just a waste of time trying to make people understand at this stage ..for all the talk about this beimg discussion thread all are set on thekr ideals and bias and dont want to change it .

      Mihnea,

      I guess i just have to try even more harder to ignore …but sometimes I fail at that

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    88. Massive lol at Tormund and brienne.

      What happens when he tries to “steal” her

      Certainly got his work cut out for him…

      ….and may have just “bit off more then he could chew” as far as that last scene goes….

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    89. Evi,

      He was reborn that’s why she thinks he is TPTWP.

      It’s preaty clear that his revival restored her faith in the Lord of Light.

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    90. dragonbringer,

      I was just like you…. Couldn’t stand some people and them presenting their opinion as fact, mostly I argued with purists, they are the worst, don’t even bother with them.

      But it fills the thread with negativity and even derails it sometimes.

      I do talk with people that have different opinion, we had a debate couple of days ago, but I try really hard to see that persons previous posts, tone and how polite he expresses his opinion, to see if it’s worth to engage a disscussion.

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    91. RG,
      As soon as Jon snaps out of that murder ptsd I think they’ll be a badass team. (imo no not that kind of team. Eww. I don’t care how pretty they are.)”

      Haha but it’s going to happen! I can just sense it waiting in the wings. Heck even the way they looked at each other could be taken for foreshadowing.

      Of course I’m probably wrong and I don’t know if I’d be on board with it or not…they are still related no matter who his dad is, for one thing.

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    92. What happened at the end there… that felt really weird tbh. How did the stone ground just burst into flames? Why didn’t they use the opportunity to give us an awesome Drogon scene? Why did Emilia suddenly appear nude again after the script visibly going out of it’s way to not do that in previous episodes?

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    93. dragonmcmx,

      People don’t want Drogon. People want Drogon…. You will never please everyone.

      I think Jorah and Daario helped her with the fire, the young DK also helped as the previous scene clearly implies.

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    94. Good catches aabe on the houses/lunch guests and El-Bobbie on Dany’s fires.

      Notice LF mentions his friends in the north and the building he is in the preview – is it where Brienne and Pod stayed?

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    95. Regarding prophecies ..

      Can we put down this stupid theory that drogon being TSWMTW …its always been dany and as I always saying dany comes before dragons like starks come before their wolves ..

      So we have dany as TSWMTW ..I guess this should also make who is AAr and TPTWp clear ..but alas people will still be in denial ..

      So i will wait till the series ends or atleast till Melisandre sees daenerys …beacause after seeing dany and her dragons…she will start singing a different song ..
      she never learned from what she did to stannis ..she knows Jon is not the only one who as been brought back from dead yet acts like that .

      And last episode ended NW as lightbringer theory …options are running out for jon snow

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    96. dragonmcmx,

      The ground wasn’t stone. And it likely caught fire because they poured oil on the ground. In the last episode, we saw the lady swirling the brazier around like it was oil-based. That’s why Dany asked Daario/Jorah and the young Khaleesi for help.

      And regarding the nudity, Emilia has said she didn’t want to do nudity just for the sake of nudity. So pointless sex scenes or the like was a no-go. She would do it if she felt it was important to Dany’s story. This emerging from the fire scene is obviously one of those moments.

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    97. Top notch episode! Loved all the scenes and story lines in this one.

      There seems to be way more criticism of the final scene than I would have expected. I can understand some regarding the lack of warrior like behavoir on the part of the Khals. Still that was kind of Dany’s point. I think the dialog between her and the Khals and her demeanor in that scene reemerging as true strength (the only thing Dothraki respect) was fantastic. Yeah the CGI might have been a little weak on the interior fire attack. Dumping a brazier of hot burning coals would catch a dry wood structure on fire pretty quickly but that was way faster and more than a natural fire would have accomplished. I will look past that as perhaps there is more to Dany’s fire magic than simple flame resistance. Maybe she can amplify the flames like the dragons themselves. Good enough for me. Thought the scene was epic.

      Loved pink letter scene and Tormand and Ed had me LMAO! Really liked the unholy alliance setup in KL. Of course the long awaited Stark reunion. Tyrion being the dwarf Lincoln. Really liked setting up the animosity between Brieanne / Mel. Everything about the episode just worked for me…

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    98. dragonmcmx,

      I think Emilia said she’ll only do it for certain scenes and I assume sexy-Daario-time is not one of those scenes. Only thing they could have done better is indeed explain a bit why these flames spread so quickly. It is obviously a very dry region, so the wood going up that quicky is actually realistic. I have seen a fire spread, and fires do spread ridiculously fast, even in stone buildings. However, it did seem like there was some kind of flammable fluid in the lighters (maybe show the Dosh Khaleen use some kind of substance or the like?).

      Anyway, great episode. Loved every scene and it all had a purpose. Favourite scenes:
      – High Sparrow/Margaery (How awesome is Jonathan Pryce?)
      – Jon/Sansa (very emotional and well done, even acknowledging they weren’t best friends before)
      – Mereen politics (everything simply makes sense and there is basically no quick good solution to their problems, glad that the writers acknowledge that)

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    99. The dialog seemed a tad off to me.
      Sansa spoke in a way that was not her, I felt her change in character more than the dialog portrayed (well done Sophie).

      Fingers crossed Jon meats Ramsey in the bettle for Winterfell.

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    100. Mihnea,

      Well, they showed the doors barred, but nothing else. I have to rewatch it, but I did not see any indication of flammable fluids (which the Khals probably would have smelled) on the beaten earth floor. Obviously, there was some kind of fluid in there, the way the fire spread (that was no special effect, but a practical one) rapidly over the floor. I loved the scene, but they might have emphasised it a bit better.

      Regarding the Khals, nobody wants to burn (Mance said it best) and no one expects somebody to be impervious to fire. This was not a battle they expected (they were looking forward to the gang rape), nor one they are used fighting. Those complaining about ‘bitchy’ Dany are a good example of sexism. She killed some guys who were planning a gang rape that might include bestiality.

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    101. Mihnea,

      Agree with you what you said about daario ..
      He is seeing this for first time ..iam guessing he just realized how lucky he has been so far .

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    102. Ok so has ANYONE figured out as to why the episode is called “Book od the stranger” ?

      HS talks about a book with Marg but that is like the holy book of the 7 …

      Stranger represents death in the 7 and Book of the stranger would therefore be Book of death.

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    103. JonFookinSnow,

      Heh, probably one episode (I do hope they bring him in for more, to let his demise breathe a bit). Anyway, Osha’s dead was a good one. She died protecting her little lord and I assume everybody knew when she walked in that room, that she was a goner. A very in character death and a noble death indeed (for whatever that is worth). It is a testament to Tena’s portrayal (mostly in the first few seasons) that I actually felt sad after she had been off screen for so long.

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    104. Also think Emilia used a body double. Her love scenes looked ridiculous because she kept her clothes on, why would she do nudity now?

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    105. Technically, Emilia doesn’t appear nude any more. She uses a body double like many actresses/actors do once they gain a little fame.

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    106. I kinda got V for Vendetta vibes from Dany’s exit from the temple. Or it’s just me? 😛 I liked the scene btw. Good episode.

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    107. Lol they just can’t keep dany’s titles away ..right
      Glad they had tyrion say her titles this time. .

      So basically what tyrion did was planting olive trees..

      Loved GW and missendai in this episode …looks like they are stepping up to be administrators of slavers bay

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    108. Hiccup Targaryen,

      What did you love about the Ramsay letter scene? It did not seem to have the impact I thought it would. I feel for the first time, that the acting was not it’s usual top notch here. And the way Sansa has to implore Jon that they need to rescue their brother and his unsure demeanor… I dunno, it’s almost as if there are different writers, the fluidity is off imo. I wasn’t home when the show came on so I checked this site on my phone to see what ya’ll were saying and freaked out when I read a post about Sansa and Jon reunion. Couldn’t wait to get home and put on the DVR. Maybe I was just a little let down at the rest of the episode at CB.

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    109. Fine episode but I liked 2 and 3 more. Now I have to list a couple things that annoy me.

      1. Why does Jon Snow have to become such a wuss after his resurrection. It is pathetic that Sansa has to talk him into taking back Winterfell and saving his little brother.

      2. Adian Gillian voice still annoys me and I keep hoping every season he will go back to his season 1 performance but it looks like that is never going to happen.

      I also think they probably confused a lot of people with the Lancel reference. Most casual viewers don’t know Lancel by name and certainly don’t know he is Kevan’s son. Most don’t even know who the hell Kevan is. They probably think Cersei was referring to Loras considering the scene that came before it and now think Kevan is his dad. I know that sounds ridiculous but if you ever talk with casual viewers about the show, particular older ones, they really struggle with the names and minor characters and how they relate to everyone . If they are going to mention Lancel they should make sure to remind the audience who he is and that he is Kevan’s son.

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    110. Mihnea:
      René,

      It’s not a body double, she confirmed it.

      Yes, read that statement just now, but can’t delete my previous comment.

      I admire Emilia’s professionality!

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    111. ygritte,

      Jon is simply a realist, he doesn’t refuse to save Rickon, he simply knows he hasn’t enough men. And like he himself said, he is tired of fighting.

      The first time it is a refusal, he doesn’t want WF he just wants to rest.

      I actually love this Jon. I would have been beyond dissapointed if he came back as a stronger, meaner person who wants to retake WF.

      Not going to comment on the acting, this is was to subjective and personal to be worth arguing over. I myself liked it.

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    112. best part of the episode was definitely the stark reunion. The wall scenes have been great this season.

      Yeah and DAny, I am kind of getting tired of all the worshipping for her.

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    113. JamesL

      I also think they probably confused a lot of people with the Lancel reference. Most casual viewers don’t know Lancel by name and certainly don’t know he is Kevan’s son. Most don’t even know who the hell Kevan is. They probably think Cersei was referring to Loras considering the scene that came before it and now think Kevan is his dad. I know that sounds ridiculous but if you ever talk with casual viewers about the show, particular older ones, they really struggle with the names and minor characters and how they relate to everyone . If they are going to mention Lancel they should make sure to remind the audience who he is and that he is Kevan’s son.

      No, viewers shoudn’t be treated like children! Also, viewers can pause the broadcast and google Lancel.

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    114. JamesL,

      He is tired, he himself says it. He is tired of fighting.

      I think its a great development, as I said, if Jon would have come back as a vengeful badass, who wants to take WF I would have been very dissapointed.

      Death changed him. It made him lose a bit of that sense of Honor he had and made him much more careful then he was before.
      And of course sad and depressed…death will do that to you..

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    115. René,

      Lancel is the only named Sparrow and right in that scene they said he was Kevan’s son.
      It was very well explained. If people didn’t knew before they know now.

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    116. Mihnea,
      I’ve been saying that since long before this season!

      But first, Tyrion, like the US’ Abraham Lincoln, has to learn that some things, such as slavery, are non-negotiable. And so, Daenerys has to break the back of Slavers’ Bay again. No mercy. Fire and blood.

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    117. ygritte:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,
      “Reading the Pink Letter while having a quiet lunch is kinda underwhelming. That and Jon´s lame reaction to it. I tought he would go crazy when he reads it but he was so depressed (even more than he was before) it takes Sansa to encourage him on!?”

      Yes this! I watched it again and still not liking it. Jon is too laid back, all the fire gone out of him. His reaction just didn’t ring true for me. Also, just sitting around the table quietly eating and a comment even about the food and how it’s “not important” if the food isn’t good. What are D and D trying to do, taking the “epic” quality out of the very things that would hold up to it and are expected.I cannot even believe that I would be enjoying Dany more than my boy Jon at this point

      Plus they are trying their hardest it seems to downplay the rez. Not even a communication between Jon and Mel by now? He doesn’t have questions for her, really??

      ON a happier note I did love that the reunion played out the it did, with surprise and warm embrace

      Danys plot has been boring so far, this episode was the first time it was actually ok. so dont understand your problem.

      I think actually that we will see some change in JOn later on again, he is reluctant now but I think he will be much tougher at the end of the season. And there will be stell the TOJ reveal of course.

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    118. Nice recap once again

      First point

      GRAND MAESTAR PYCELLE IS RIGHT!

      He may be made out to look like an idiot because of his performance but quite often he is actually correct on many things even though some of them suit his agenda

      People saying High Sparrows scenes are boring are missing a Master class on manipulation

      He’s playing the Lannisters/Tyrells brilliantly and he’ll make them out to look overly aggressive while disarming them with a curve ball

      There’s a reason only the Gold Cloaks police the city (well until Cersei allowed the re-arming of the Faith Militant) and the populace will be nervous given memories of Tywins sacking

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    119. JamesL:
      Fine episode but I liked 2 and 3 more. Now I have to list a couple things that annoy me.

      1. Why does Jon Snow have to become such a wuss after his resurrection. It is pathetic that Sansa has to talk him into taking back Winterfell and saving his little brother.

      Maybe because there is nothing after death, so he not in a hurry to go on a suicide mission once again, he does not want to rush into a war where the casualty will be in thousands? Being betrayed by his men and having to then come back and hang them (including a child) may have taken away all desire for leading or fighting? The important takeaway from this scene, for Jon, is not that he had to be convinced to fight for Winterfell, but that he was once again willing to wade into the muck, all for the sake of his family.
      I have seen other people have the same reaction as you have. Why? Why can’t Jon be allowed a moment of weakness or self-doubt? It will be a part of his arc for the season.

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    120. Sundae:

      He doesn’t say “your father’s ghost”, he says “if I don’t watch over you, father’s ghost…”. But Kit Harington kinda rushes through the line, so I understand if people hear it differentely.

      Intresting line considering we get TOJ sequel in the next Episode.

      What would Lyanna say to Ned after he left Jon behind in some way. I doubt Lyanna wanted her son in NW….

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    121. Have to say, Gemma Whelan is another one doing fantastically

      I actually saw her commenting in a “story so far” thing before the E1, she plays Yara so well you can’t imagine her as someone else but the actress is so different which shows just how well she understand the character and how much she is putting into her performance

      Of course Alfie is killing it as well so that Yara/Theon scene where she doesen’t care at all for his sooky nonsense in true Ironborn style is quite something

      The part where Theon breaks when he realises the humiliating fact that Ramsay sent his “parts” to his father and sister was great acting by Alfie

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    122. Yaga,

      Agreed. The masters simply need to die and a new order imposed. I just don’t think Tyrion is that kind. Of course I suspect that more then anything he is just buying time until Dany is back.

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    123. Yaga:
      Mihnea,
      I’ve been saying that since long before this season!

      But first, Tyrion, like the US’ Abraham Lincoln, has to learn that some things, such as slavery, are non-negotiable. And so, Daenerys has to break the back of Slavers’ Bay again. No mercy. Fire and blood.

      I really hope that’s the way of it. I’m just scared that D&D will always show Tyrion as the guy who’s right about everything and they are setting up Grey Worm to take Oberyn’s place.

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    124. OK, 170 comments and I’m about to start reading. I swear to God if anyone is complaining that this letter wasn’t pink or that the words weren’t exactly the same as the books..

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    125. Of course the other scene which seems to have been put in as an “awkward aside” was the Brienne/Davos/Mel scene

      Probably something about the way Brienne/Gwendoline towers over both of them, just a whole “yeah I saw his army smashed, and I killed your beloved Stannis myself, watchya going to do about it”

      And Carice/Liam looked like they had heard the news all over again, really hit the whole thing home to them all again,

      And naturally they have to wonder what the entire point of it all was, eg House Baratheon is in complete tatters

      Another good scene was Littlefinger, coming back to the Vale was always going to be awkward, it would have taken him quite a while to find an extremely expensive Falcon with which to bribe Sweetrobin with so he is endeared to him, and was able to quickly turn Lord Royce assertions about his antics right back onto him

      Lord Royce would have been smarter to not make any direct accusation but simply remark that Sansa would tell the truth of it all etc, eg accuse without accusing but obviously he is the Lord

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    126. JonFookinSnow:
      Ghosts Lunch,

      Did you know that HBO offered the Yara role to Alfie Allens sister Lilly?

      I think I vaguely remember, but tbh Gemma has hit it out of the park, such as it is (aka “not Asha”) but putting aside other issues with the scene, the speech she gave before the Theon rescue was performed really well

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    127. Apollo,

      Only the setting, witch I don’t agree.

      And I complained, because I wanted to hear Iwan narrating it, ”chaos is a ladder” style….
      But that’s just because I really like Iwan…..

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    128. Mihnea:

      Marg quotes from the book, when she talks with the HS.

      The Faith of 7 reads from the Book of death? 😮

      Book of the father would be more appropriate name for a religious book if you ask me.

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    129. I wonder whether Melisandre

      will end up on one of the crosses at battlefield. I can see her leaving Castle Black in episode 5, heading to winterfell to free Rickon because of Shireen, maybe glamouring herself as Sansa, and getting caught?

      .

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    130. As for Tyrion

      The issue with negotiation is not to play a direct hand straight out

      In this case when there are multiple factions in opposition, a forthright banning of slavery will unite them all against him as he is directly threatening their social position, not just their economic profession/trade

      However by giving conditions and terms and flexibility, what he is doing is “divide and conquer” by way of offering terms that are acceptable to some but not to others which opens the door to creating division within their ranks

      It’s a shame they don’t have Cleon the Butcher King in tbh, that was great for showing that the slaves are just as bad as the Masters if the positions are reversed, it was also good for showing how

      That said, the Masters attitudes being discussed is a good twin the Kings Landing, where the attitudes of the Nobility to the “commoners” is no different

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    131. S6 just keeps getting better. Jon-sansa were beautiful. I cried like a baby!! It makes me even more hyped for a jon-arya reunion (there will be one, i have faith).
      Mereen was finally a bit interesting. But I just get this feeling that seven years is a long time. When they leave for westeros, who is to say the cities wont fall back to slavery. And everytime I see missandei- grey worm I just feel they are upto something.
      KL was also interesting after a long time. Glad to see margaery still keeping her wits about it. The last scene did not give me the goosebumps as 1×10 but it was a good one. I am just glad they did not drag the dothraki as I thought.
      And how cute were brienne and tormund. I have never really awwwed while watching GOT but that was awwwww…… Its so good to see someone interested in brienne just as she is.

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    132. I didn’t think this show can get any better, but yet, another Episode Surpassing the Previous Episode. Simply Amazing….

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    133. Steel_Wind: I enjoyed Daenerys scene but it is also pretty clear that we are just off the reservation now in terms of books and TV series. I guess the greatest thing about that is that we are getting our fix while still avoiding spoilers, because there is no way that GRRM resolves the Dothraki like that.

      He once said that her invulnerabilty to fire was just a one-time-thing (on Khal Drogos pyre), so I assume she has to rise to new power in another way in the books to come.

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    134. Mihnea,

      Agreed. In the “inside the episode”, Benioff said them seeing Dany again step out of the flames is like them seeing a God reborn.

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    135. taim,

      Why do you think I have a “problem” with Dany this episode? I said nothing about her in the post you quoted and in other posts I stated that I actually DID like her tonight. So….? I don’t know where you’re coming from.

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    136. Just watching it now, woo hoo! Stark Reunion – and some maintained Sansa wasn’t going to Castle Black 😉

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    137. Is Bloodraven=nightking? They seem to be connected:
      1. Both stories are quite similar. Lord Commander of the nightwatch, lost behind the wall.
      2. Old naan says all crows are liars and must not be trusted.
      3. In the trailer there is no bloodraven in Brans vision.
      4. Touching his arm. This was exactly what bloodraven did in the last visions.
      5. Why is Meera trying to wake him up?
      6. We know that they have to escape. Maybe they escape from bloodraven and his army deads?

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    138. Hands up, y’all. Who here predicted that the Pink Letter itself would be Sansa’s “Level Up” moment? Yeah, me neither.

      Honestly, I think I much prefer how the show is doing this whole Jon Snow resurrection / Sansa Stark: Elizabeth I evolution / Pink Letter scenario. It just feels so much more tighter and logical than the whole meandering mess that the “holy text” portrays. Excellent adaptation by D&D.

      I do, however, wonder if perhaps the Littlefinger scene should have been shuffled to an earlier episode? Maybe E1 or E2? It would’ve made the travel time line up a bit better, because right now it looks like Littlefinger’s infamous jet pack is going to get a heck of a workout.

      Other than that … The scene worked for me. For all of those bitching about Royce’s guards or why he didn’t just kill Littlefinger afterwards … It’s because Sweetrobin is still the Lord of the Vale and overrules them all … And he’s still damaged goods. He’s the same boy who cheerfully threw people down the moon door. And Littlefinger controls that boy.

      To use an analogy, Sweetrobin is the boy who wishes others to the cornfield.

      I did enjoy the contrast between Theon’s two arrivals to Iron Islands. A stark difference between utter cockiness and totally broked. I do wish that when Yara asked Theon what he really wanted, he said “to see Ramsay dead, and I’ll help whoever can make that happen.” But the scene still worked for me. Looking forward to the Kingsmoot next week.

      Kings Landing bored me this week. Westeros Bernie Sanders just droned on and on. But if his story is legit (50/50 chance of that) then the HR=HS theory was just busted. (I personally don’t buy that theory, and I believe that the backstory HS just gave is the real one.) Loras is so dead.

      I agree with the speculation in this thread that HS is totally setting up Cersei. He must have some way of neutralizing FrankenMountain. I have two theories as to how.

      1) HS will demand a 7-on-7, gambling on the fact that Cersei won’t be able to find 7 champions to defend her. Cersei will rebutt with a 7-on-1 trial and FrankenMountain will slaughter 7 sparrows including Lancel. (This is the one I find most likely.)

      2) CleangeBowl CONFIRMED! GET HYPE!!!!! (I do think CleangeBowl will happen, but I’m thinking not until S7.)

      Over to Dany’s “Blood and Fire” moment … I will agree that it felt kinda underwhelming. Maybe because it was her fourth or fifth such moment but it felt kinda “been there, done that.” S3’s “Dracyars” moment was much more “fuck, yeah!” But I did appreciate that it was 100% Dany. No Drogon ex machines.

      Speaking of which … I do find it amusing that before the show there were people whining that Drogon would show up and save Dany and now she constantly had to be saved by others. And when the show aired and there was no Drogon, people are now whining that there was no dragon and the scene was boring. I guess you really cannot please everybody.

      Oh, and as for Dany’s fire-proofness? I’ve said this before and I’ll say it many more times. The tears of book purists amuses me to no end.

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    139. Josh L:

      Oh, and as for Dany’s fire-proofness?I’ve said this before and I’ll say it many more times. The tears of book purists amuses me to no end.

      It does feel good to be vindicated. I’ve been called ”idiot” and many other names just because I believed this to be true.

      This weak started the best way it could’ve for me!

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    140. Josh L,

      And I completely agree with you on Jon/Sansa. I thank god they are together and Sansa at last has a real story, one that is engaging, dramatic and has suspanse.

      Also agreed on the Vale scene. Loved how Robin’s word has weight, probally because he is much older then in the books, and LF used this perfectly.

      Also loved his final line…..”gather the knights of the Vale, it’s time to enter the fray”..

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    141. Sean C.:

      Runestone (D):
      Ugh, in the midst of an episode that ranged from pretty solid to great in other plots, this was just a reminder of how stupid the plotting can get at points.Littlefinger’s plan is, if I’m following this, to show up and claim Sansa was abducted, but to not even pretend to be concerned about it (he literally starts the conversation by distributing gifts like a visiting uncle), and then to tacitly admit to Royce that he’s up to no good and then threaten Royce with immediate execution even though they’re in his castle.Where are Royce’s men?Why, as soon as Littlefinger leaves, would Royce not go get his men and the other lords and then cut Baelish’s head off?Like, this is an attempt to justify the Valemen going North that is actively dumber than if the Valemen had just bought Littlefinger’s story about Sansa being abducted.

      I agree more or less with your ratings, especially this one. How did Royce suddenly become like he had no one to defend him? Where were his men? But other than this one wrinkle (there’s been one per episode so far, at least for me), I loved this episode. Can’t wait to watch it again later!

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    142. its real power is usually in the quieter scenes between a few actors, and I wish the show would trust in this. The drama is found in the characters, not in the flames.

      This . . . so much this! I’ve been watching the Jon/Sansa moments over and over again.

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    143. Sam,

      What could he do, when the Lord of the Vale himself threatened him?

      Robin isn’t a 7 year-old, he is preaty much grown, still a idiot, but a adult idiot.
      To do anything against LF would mean he has to act against his own lord liege.

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    144. Winterstars,
      End of next season, most likely. At least that’s when I’m expecting it.

      I still want to talk about next episode. Putting in spoilers, obviously. It seems we have:

      – a LOT of Bran’s visions (which will probably be the focus of the episode)
      – the Kingsmoot (the other focus)
      – everyone leaves Castle Black (photo of Mel leaving); Sansa meets Littlefinger; Sansa sends Brienne south (rip Tormienne or whatever cute portmanteau was invented for their ship)
      -Tyrion meets Kinvara
      – Arya goes to meet that theatre troupe
      – possibly Sam meets his parents?

      Dany will probably sit this one out, but I wonder about King’s Landing.

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    145. Lyannaes:
      I’ve legit been crying over Jonsa/Jansa for about three hours now ……. I’m no even ashamed pal. Strangely, the name for it here is Jansa, whereas tumblr is almost exclusively Jonsa, so it’s always a culture shock to see Jansa lmao.

      DragonWench39,

      I would guess it was sometime between the cut. It seems like Sansa and Jon were together for a good few hours between her arriving and the scene in his room.

      No shame in crying! That reunion has been long coming! I thought Jonsa would be better because Jansa can also be like… Jaime + Sansa (of course there’s never going to be Jaime + Sansa but you know what I mean).

      Yup, there’s a sense that they’ve been talking for a long time and we caught them at the time when they were done catching up with each other’s stories. It makes sense because otherwise it would take too much TV time.

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    146. Yaga,

      Dany will leave for Westeros at the end of this season, mark my words.

      She will either leave Meereen or end with her in Volantis, but I think they’ll save the Volantene liberation for the next season.

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    147. coronaprince: He once said that her invulnerabilty to fire was just a one-time-thing (on Khal Drogos pyre), so I assume she has to rise to new power in another way in the books to come.

      I am thinking it probably the prevalent theory that was discussed this week. The book will have Drogon be setting fire to the Khals with the added possibility she is riding the dragon

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    148. Mihnea,

      Totally agree. I know some people are saying he’s reverting back to season 1 sullenness, but I don’t see that at all. He was just killed and brought back to life–of course he’s not eager to jump back into another battle! It will be great to see him develop his sense of purpose again.

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    149. JonFookinSnow,
      Mihnea,
      I think that she’ll LEAVE FOR Westeros this season, but GET THERE the next. Remember, there will be only 7 episodes, and even if she conquers Volantis between seasons/ in episode 1, she’ll still have to spend some time on, y’know. *Him.*

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    150. Mihnea:
      “I actually love this Jon. I would have been beyond dissapointed if he came back as a stronger, meaner person who wants to retake WF.”

      I don’t want him meaner either, I actually didn’t want him to change at all, personality wise. I was hoping the whole ressurection thing would be just for prophectical reasons and serve as the catalyst to give that necessary revelation of what his real purpose is. He’s got a second chance at life and isn’t he curious why? Maybe the subtle change in the acting was due to the fact of seeing Sansa/Sophie in a different setting interacting with new people and the fact that Jon/Kit’s eyes look different without the hair around his face. Also they probably wanted his mannerisms to be slightly different so we get a feeling of NewJon.

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    151. Margaery was just awesome in this episode. Truly a player of the game and a strong woman in every sense of the word. Had Sansa married Loras, the two of them could have made a great couple of sisters in law.

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    152. Steel_Wind:
      The preview for Episode 5 shows a teleporting Littlefinger. Or teleporting LF and Sansa. Whatever the case, not happy about that.

      Can you imagine if they wasted all that time with Littlefinger/any other character travelling though? You have to imagine that every episode combined with the gap between them spans at least a couple of weeks, if not much longer. The kingsroad took the entire royal party a month to travel in the first episode according to Cersei, and Littlefinger travelling half that distance alone in one episode isn’t that unrealistic. Unless there are events along the road theres no point in spending time watching or waiting for him to move from A to B to C to Z.

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    153. Hoyti Von Totiy: The Faith of 7 reads from the Book of death? ?

      Book of the father would be more appropriate name for a religious book if you ask me.

      There are 7 books (or chapters) in their holy text. Book of the Father is presumably one of them (alongside Books of the Mother / Warrior / Maiden / Smith / Crone / Stranger). I assume the Book of the Stranger is probably something akin to the Book of Revelations in the Christian Bible.

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    154. Yaga,

      I wonder if in the end of this season we will get

      one of Danys dragon escapes Meeren, fly to the West, and surprise everyone in the middle of big battle, including the Nights fucKing who is watching from far away

      But I know thats just a ridiculuos fantasy of mine, hha

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    155. 9/10 for me.

      I absolutely loved the ending. Not only was it stunning, Daenerys did this herself. Killing so many Khals at the same time… Damn woman. You are back in the game!

      I could have done without Ramsay. I hope we won’t see him again until episode 9. I respect the actor, but I don’t like the way he is used. I wouldn’t be surprised if he arm wrestles Wun wun and wins. Or killing Ghost with his bare teeth.

      The Sansa-Jon reunion was fantastic and I immensely liked their scenes. Tormund eying Brienne was hilarious. The Wall, just like last season, is the strongest arc for me.

      King’s landing, the Vale and the Iron Isles were fine. Iron Isles maybe a little short.

      Meereen doesn’t seem to move forward. I was hoping for either dragons or the Harpy – if there even is a Head. That being said, it was interesting to see Tyrion handle those Masters.

      All in all, this probably is my favorite episode in this season so far.

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    156. kakakakate: Can you imagine if they wasted all that time with Littlefinger/any other character travelling though?

      If people want to see the entire trip described, they can always go and check out AFFC/ADWD/TWOW (when it’s finally published in 2018) to get all the travelogue details their heart desires.

      The TV show doesn’t have the time for that shit. (And thank goodness for that!)

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    157. ygritte:
      Mihnea:
      “I actually love this Jon. I would have been beyond dissapointed if he came back as a stronger, meaner person who wants to retake WF.”

      I don’t want him meaner either, I actually didn’t want him to change at all, personality wise. I was hoping the whole ressurection thing would be just for prophectical reasons and serve as the catalyst to give that necessary revelation of what his real purpose is. He’s got a second chance at life and isn’t he curious why? Maybe the subtle change in the acting was due to the fact of seeing Sansa/Sophie in a different setting interacting with new people and the fact that Jon/Kit’s eyes look different without the hair around his face. Also they probably wanted his mannerisms to be slightly different so we get a feeling of NewJon.

      I hope that the writers do have a good plan with Jon, he seems so reluctant atm, even more than he was before. Hopefully he is becoming more determined and badass later on. Didnt kit say in one interview that there will be one particular episode that focuses more on jon, maybe we will get more insight in his character then, I think the great stuff is still to come for him.

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    158. dragonbringer:
      Dany is not going to any scene like what we got of Jon and sansa or yara and theon..
      She does not have anyone who is called as family…the only one she had abused her and sold her for an army ..

      That’s why it hurt her so much to know about jorah’s betrayal..

      Only moments dany could have had similar to this is when she thinks about house with red door or as a little girl running towards stretched arms of ser willem ..she did have some of those with jorah and missandei and barristan but those have been omitted in the show ..

      So this is one of side that make me feel for dany …she doesn’t have anyone to run into or solemnly believe in and no one wants her for who she is but only for her dragons .

      Someday soon she’d realize she actually had family – a nephew! But hopefully they won’t be fighting on different teams as some have been saying here.

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    159. El-Bobbie:
      “Three fires must you light…”

      This is Dany’s 2nd. She must light one more.

      My guess is the third fire will be once she sails across the sea to Westeros she’ll destroy the ships that carried her in the same vein as the Nymeria the princess that founded Dorne

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    160. JonFookinSnow:
      dragonbringer,

      The scene was terrible. It’s always so easy for Daenerys to get what she wants, isn’t it?
      And those Khals, aren’t they supposed to be badass warriors? But they couldn’t stay focused and try to find a way out this wooden hut instead of running around and screaming like little girls?
      Visually stuning yes, but nothing else.

      Glad, I am not the only one not buying this shit. How could she even burn this hut? Is she some fire-magician now? Or had she had her dosh khaleens poured gazoline over the floor? That scene is complete and utterly bullshit.

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    161. Jack111:

      I could have done without Ramsay. I hope we won’t see him again until episode 9. I respect the actor, but I don’t like the way he is used. I wouldn’t be surprised if he arm wrestles Wun wun and wins. Or killing Ghost with his bare teeth.

      I have a feeling that due for his love of feeding people to his hounds that Ramsey is in for some poetic justice at the teeth of Ghost and it can’t happen fast enough! That way Jon, Sansa, Davos & Brienne can focus their attentions north! Also now there’s 2 Valerian Steel Swords at the Wall….I fancy their chances a little better!

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    162. Sam: Someday soon she’d realize she actually had family – a nephew!

      I pray for a glimpse of ToJ part II, and The Door preview shows me only The Others army

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    163. Mihnea,

      Question. When Davos and Mel were talking why was she still acting all gloomy? So it did seem a little out of place to have the Stannis conversation at this point but, like even before he mentioned him she still acts depressed. Her newfound supernatural ability is being downplayed as far as how it’s affecting her character. Again, I wonder at the choices that are being made now.

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    164. ygritte,

      Stannis’s death affected her profoundly and destroyed her faith.
      Jon coming back helped her but that doesn’t mean she will return to her snob, over confident self.

      She thought she knew everything and she couldn’t be wrong. Now she probaly admits that she knows little and just lets the Lord of Light do it’s thing.

      Davos probaly just thought enough time passed and he could try again to get a clear answer as to what happened.

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    165. Loved this episode. Seems odd it was titled from an obscure line by Margeory though.

      (My first time to post on here)

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    166. Nadia:
      I think it’s interesting that Jon tells Sansa “your father’s ghost.” Setting up subtly again that Ned isn’t his father. Could’ve just said “Father” like Jon did when talking to the boys or Arya.

      I also thought he said “Your father” but on second viewing, I heard it clearer. He said, “Where will WE go? If I don’t watch over you, father’s ghost would come back and murder me.” And then he gave a half smile. It was bittersweet to be able to take care of family again but also remember that their father is now gone.

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    167. gnarlytarly,

      Welcome to the Wall.

      We are quite polite here, well at least better then the other places… But we can get a bit ”fiery” sometimes.

      All in all it’s a great place to discuss the Show, the best I ever found.
      Hope you will enjoy the site!

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    168. Team Hodor: Glad, I am not the only one not buying this shit. How could she even burn this hut? Is she some fire-magician now? Or had she had her dosh khaleens poured gazoline over the floor? That scene is complete and utterly bullshit.

      Who cares? Finally after three series and three books of achieving 99/100ths of fuck all Dany wants to get shit done. Yay!

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    169. taim,

      I hope so cause I too want him to be the fooking bad-ass he used to be. Yeah he said there is that one episode big focus on Jon and I hope he wasn’t referring to just the battle, which will probably take up most of the episode. I’m looking forward to him getting the parentage revelation and Melisandre revealing all about who she thinks he is and this giving him renewed sense of purpose.

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    170. Winterstars: I pray for a glimpse of ToJ part II, and The Door preview shows me only The Others army

      Yeah, many of us thought TOJ p2 would in ep5 but maybe it’s too big a plot twist to just put it in the middle of the season. I have a feeling now that part 2 (I hope there is a part 2) will be in ep10, right after Jon & co. recaptured WF in ep9. It makes sense to have it revealed in the season finale. Imagine, the long-lost Targaryen princess/heir finally sailing back to Westeros and then in the remote North, another Targaryen prince/heir is revealed. I’d love it if that’s to happen . Of course, if R+L=J isn’t true then TOJ p.2 may not be significant.

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    171. Mihnea,

      That’s not how feudalism works, either in real life or, more importantly, on this show, where individual bannermen command their own vassals. That’s why, e.g., the Starks can’t just order the Karstark men to join them whatever Lord Rickard says, why feudal politicking is necessary in the first place. Littlefinger might as well have ordered Robin to have the Lords Declarant arrested back in 408, under this logic.

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    172. The fire wasn’t natural, the strange roaring noise it made as it leapt toward the Khals made this point. It was magic of some kind, just like Bran has a magical ability, so to does Daenarys, plus the temple was mostly made of wood.

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    173. gnarlytarly,

      Welcome friend ! Beware though, if you ever have even the slightest criticism of the show or the tiniest disappointment with any decision D&D make, Mihnea and Wimsey and many others will flay you living and go on endlessly about how you’re a book purist who shouldn’t even be watching the show and how happy they’ll be when TWoW comes out and confirms everything the show has done (which is delusion if ever I’ve seen it). What was once a wonderful site with a great vibe has deteriorated into an army of commenters blindly defending the show no matter what and viciously attacking anyone who doesn’t agree that the show is perfect. It’s pretty depressing to read. There is no tolerance for differing opinions and no desire to be friendly to fellow watchers. It really isn’t a friendly environment.
      Good luck !

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    174. Evi:
      Liked the episode, would’ve wanted to see Jon and Sansa talk about stuff that wasn’t relevant to the plot, like where Arya is. The reunion was perfect, though, and well written, although I’m failing to understand why Jon had to be persuaded by Sansa to go save Rickon from Ramsay. I get that he’s lost his will to fight anyone (I really don’t like that development, though I guess it might make more sense in the future when he tries to bring the different players in Westeros together to fight the white walkers), but he should want to save Rickon.

      Initially, Jon was in denial that it was Rickon. Then, it slowly dawned on him that he indeed had to fight now. The moment he turned to Tormund to ask him how many men he got, he was starting to wrap his head around the fact that, yeah he’s gonna fight Ramsay. I’m glad he didn’t go like, “F**k, let’s go and march to WF now!”right after reading the letter and totally make a quick turnaround. He’s still hurting, that’s obvious, so he’s kinda slow in processing things.

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    175. Jared:
      Seven Hells, that was SO GOOD. My favorite episode of the season so far (and I’m loving this season to death). I think it’s one of my favorites of the entire series. Top 10 for sure. As for just how high it ranks? Well, I’ll need to watch it again, won’t I?

      Everywhere else I’ve checked on the Internet so far, the reaction has been almost universally ecstatic. So scrolling through the Open Chat thread, I was honestly stunned by the number of negative comments that I’ve saw about the episode. That’s not to say I’m condemning those opinions – people feel how they feel. But I’m definitely surprised, because I loved every second of “Book of the Stranger”.

      Collectively, Castle Black was the highlight of the episode. I adored everything that happened there, from Jon and Sansa’s heartfelt reunion (which was perfect) to Tormund’s hilarious flirtation with Brienne at the table (that ‘ship may be new, but it’s phenomenal. Long may it reign). The Pink Letter was chilling, as was everything that happened in Winterfell before it (RIP Osha, though considering what Ramsay might have done, it was probably the cleanest end she could hope for). But the scenes in every location – the Iron Islands, King’s Landing, Meereen, the Vale – just sung for me tonight, on both viewings. I’ve seen some complaints that the middle section of the episode dragged a bit, but that wasn’t the case for me. I loved that too.

      And then there was the ending scene with Dany. God, that was amazing. I was expecting Drogon to fly in and burn the temple to the ground, but this was so, so much better.

      I’ll have more to say tomorrow, but I do have one position that I need to make quite clear. Over the course of the next week – and probably for as long as the show is discussed on the Internet – there is going to be a cadre of book readers who criticize the final scene on the grounds that “GRRM says that Dany actually isn’t immune to fire”. That’s fine, and that may be true in his books. People are welcome to hold that against the show, or to dislike the scene for any other reason they choose. But with respect to how that scene played out in the show and the emotional response it elicited from me, my personal feelings about that particular criticism can be summed up in five simple words: “I”. “Do”. “Not.” “Fucking.” “Care.” That scene was spectacular.

      OK, that’s nine words. But you get the idea.

      I concur. On second viewing I like it even more. Even the writing in Meereen was better tonight. Don’t really get the recent writing criticisms, for me the writing this season has been better than all of season 5, Hardhome excepted, and pretty much better than most of season 2. Heck, even the writing in the single scene we saw in Dorne this season was better than last season. Jon and Sansa was the highlight; that was pure gold.

      Danny has ALWAYS been fireproof in the show, since season 1. People need to get over that.

      How you think George is going to solve the “getting all the khalasars under Danny” thing in Winds of Winter? It’s going to be Drogon and a Stallion that Mounts the World thing; a speech ain’t gonna do it, that’s for sure.

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    176. If I was Lord Royce, I’d just rally all the Knights of the Vale to take out LF lol.

      The Castle Black scenes were perfect. I loved Jonsa, Torriene and The Man Bun. The Pink Letter was so well done. Seeing Jon list the things he had to do makes me want to give him a hug. He’s been through hell and back and got dragged through the mud without receiving any great rewards. However, I need a scene with Jon and Mel discussing his resurrection. Isn’t he curious why he was brought back? I also need to know why Mel thinks he’s The Prince That Was Promised. Where was the salt? I also wanted to see Sansa react to the news that her brother died and came back….it seemed like such a non-event to her idk. There are so many scenes that need to take place at Castle Black before Jonsa go shopping for an army. I feel cheated lmao.

      I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m actually looking forward to the Kingsmoot. I love Yara.

      I love that Brienne was so proud about killing Stannis and finally fulfilling her vows. She’s earned it!!

      KL and Meereen were boring.

      I was relieved we didn’t get a gratuitous rape and torture scene with poor Osha.

      I was waiting for Super Daario to discover Ser Luigi’s greyscale. I wonder how things will turn out with these two. Daario is messing up my predictions lol. I loved how confused he was about all the ridiculous bowing at the end. I agree, man.

      Dany is such an escapist character. She gets what she wants and needs with basically minimal effort and never gets punished for her mistakes. The show is really pushing for the end scenario with her as queen and Tyrion as her hand. Just when you think they can’t make it more obvious…they do it. Where’s the suspense and subtlety? I would be surprised if we ever see her and the Daario Brothers face consequences for spilling blood in a sacred city.

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    177. Sean C.,

      Attempting to reason with Mihnea is useless, my friend. Your logic is foreign to a lot of the good people here on the Wall.
      Might as well change the name of the site to “Game of Thrones is perfection incarnate ! The blessed show can do no wrong !”.

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    178. Markus Stark,

      I disagree with him, strongly, on a TV show…..Therefore I’m a idiot who can’t understand logic?

      Why isn’t the more obvious answer this: We simply see things diferently.

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    179. Mihnea:
      Yaga,

      Dany will leave for Westeros at the end of this season, mark my words.

      She will either leave Meereen or end with her in Volantis, but I think they’ll save the Volantene liberation for the next season.

      I think they’ll save the Volantis liberation for offscreen (just as Astapor and Yunkai will be offscreen, we’ll see Meereen); and that Danny will board the ships in 6.10 and she’ll be either at Dragonstone or Dorne in 7.01 or 7.02 at the latest.

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    180. Mihnea:

      Is that really CB, though?

      LF says to Royce she is going to her brother at the Wall.
      It would be hightly unusual (ignoring his teleport) if he was to find her in the vast north.

      And besides only CB is a ruin waiting to fall apart … that matches what we see in the video.

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    181. I feel like jon is gonna get a lot of hate this season for not living up to everyone’s expectations and disappointing. I feel like this is gonna be the jon we get this season , the lost reluctant passive one,at some point i’d hope his will would be rekindled and he’d find a purpose in life again and something to fight for , otherwise his whole coming back thing is useless if this is the new jon :/ and he’d be dead soon anyways , its eat or get eaten in westeros like cersei best said it when you play the game of thrones you win or you die. And jon is involved in the game whether he wants to or not , boltons and lannisters want him and his sister dead , i just hope we get some epic stuff with him for once after this resurrection :/ we will see .
      And dany’s scene was beautifully done, am glad she burned those guys.
      The high sparrow storyline is getting really interesting i cant wait to see what he is scheming , someone needs to put cersei down i dont care who does it 🙂
      And bran’s vision next episode woohooo xO Cant wait for it!!
      Wonder when they will continue that towe of joy though , i wanna see whats in the tower damn it!!

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    182. Sean C.:
      Mihnea,

      That’s not how feudalism works, either in real life or, more importantly, on this show, where individual bannermen command their own vassals.That’s why, e.g., the Starks can’t just order the Karstark men to join them whatever Lord Rickard says, why feudal politicking is necessary in the first place.Littlefinger might as well have ordered Robin to have the Lords Declarant arrested back in 408, under this logic.

      Ehem…

      The men that were surrounding Lord Royce, Littlefinger and Robin were House Arryn men; they had House Arryn Sigils and banners, so, if their Liege Lord says “Chuck him out the Moon Door” that’s exactly what they would do…

      I’m sure that Lord Royce’s men were there too, but does Lord Royce want to escalate a conflict between himself and House Arryn? I think not? And Littlefinger knows this.

      Besides, pushing his contempt for Littlefinger aside, Lord Royce probably sees the logic in assisting House Stark, a house which he obviously has always had sympathetic ties with.

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    183. Hoyti Von Totiy: LF says to Royce she is going to her brother at the Wall.
      It would be hightly unusual (ignoring his teleport) if he was to find her in the vast north.

      And besides only CB is a ruin waiting to fall apart … that matches what we see in the video.

      Yes, we all know Littlefinger has a TARDIS in the show, he borrowed it from the Doctor, heck, he might the Doctor in this universe, LOL.

      It’s my only complaint though; the episode itself yesterday was terrific.

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    184. Best episode of this season. Hands down.

      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Let’s hope it’s Castle Black but something tells me it’s elsewhere. Vale is not part of the battle from what we saw in trailers. This is getting interesting becaue I expected that Sansa will meet Littlefinger later in the season. But hopefully she’ll start to plan his downfall.

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    185. Ugh, Brienne is such a child… boo hoo Renly died, now she finally got her revenge and now she has to rub it into everyone’s face? As if I didn’t have enough reason to hate her character.

      Very conflicted about this episode currently. LOVED the Jonsa reunion, KL stuff was decent, Meereen stuff was decent. The ending with Dany was absolute horseshit imo, though the visuals sure were beautiful. Glad the show did the Pink Letter.

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    186. Mihnea:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Is that really CB, though?

      It seems to be- its in a wintry location and LF already mentioned that Sansa won’t be safe there. The chamber he’s in is a total wreck though. Like trashed. No sure where they put him, perhaps an old store room or even a holding cell?

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    187. Dragonmcmx,

      What did you think about the response to the pink letter? I found the acting by both Jon and Sansa to be a little “off.” Perhaps it was a matter of dialogue not flowing the way it should but to me the reaction felt a tad bit false. I know these two to be good actors so I’m not ready to blame them, more so the writing/directing I guess? Anyways, curious your thoughts.

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    188. Jori_P,

      Jon is leading the battle against the Boltons

      How can he stay reluctant and passive? Jeez, this is part of an arc, he is at his lowest now. Having met Sansa and “Mission Rescue Rickon ” will give him purpose. Besides, there has to be a reason why he is the only major character to come back to life in the show, which will have to tie in with the end game (WWs). So sooner or later, Jon will find out what it is, what is his purpose.

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    189. Flayed Potatoes,

      Yes I feel the same way, those are things I needed to see as well, things that are what I consider necessary follow-up in good story telling, that did not occur. Dare I say it feels rushed and almost like the two D’s are wanting to be done with it sometimes.

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    190. DragonWench39,

      I think it is safe to say that they talked about it, all of it. We just don’t have to hear them say it and the producers probably didn’t have the time. It would take a while for that conversation ha ha.

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    191. Kudos to any of you guys who can put your feelings through words right now because i can’t, i’m simply speechless. Thank you D&D for being such brilliant writers, i mean the moment of reunion was as beautiful and epic as i wanted it to be but man the scene that follows after, those tender moments those smiles they shared all of it is just too much to handle and my god here i thought i couldn’t be more proud of Sansa but I AM, she’s the proud daughter of Ned and Catleyn, proud Daughter of Winter and i’m her proud fan, her biggest fan. How we can speak about this without talking about Kit and OMG my babe Sophie, each one playing their respective roles to perfection, it’s well past time for Emmys to start recognizing these two and Maisie’s work in my opinion.

      Now about their second scene towards the end, WOW that was epic, heart breaking and hilarious at the same time, GOT is the only show with the ability to pull this off tbh hahaha.

      Anyway after this episode it’s even harder to care about anything south of the Neck. Oh and yes this is my top favorite episode of the whole show so far,Thanks again David and Dan.

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    192. The Dothraki/Dany thing is obviously different in the books. Maybe Dany and Drogon have a moment in front of the Dosh Khaleen and they realise Dany is TSWMTW and struggle to convince the Dothraki until they also see Dany and Drogon being buddies. But the show is a faster paced visual medium so I’m fine with how it is going so far.

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    193. This reunion…I mean honestly the rest of this episode could’ve been Tormund and Edd playing beer pong and I would’ve been content, after these scenes.

      HA! so true. what an awesome episode. everything well written from start to finish. Well done!

      and I’m totally Team Tormienne. LET’S DO THIS D&D

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    194. blckp:
      Daenerys ending scene so fucking epic,holy shit one of best scene in entire TV SHOW

      why they always have to give her stuff like this, she has so many boring scenes, and it seems the only way to make her interesting is to give her special effects to make her look cool.
      They could have used more money on Jons resurrection.

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    195. taim,

      Use the money how?

      Jon’s resurrection didn’t lack money at all, it was clearly a deliberate choice to make it a more intimate moment.

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    196. I honestly don’t get why so many people have an issue with Jon’s frame of mind or Dany’s last scene. The guy has just come back from the dead, he surely feels exhausted, scared as hell, angry, betrayed and just wants a happy and quiet life (at least what remains of it).

      As for Dany- she tipped several braziers full of oil onto the floor of a dry wooden temple. That shits gonna go up fast. And of course the Dothaki will bow down to her- they bow to strength. I recall a while back most here were hoping she’d save herself instead of Drogon. She did that, and still there are complaints.

      Loved the episode overall- the Sansa/Jon reunion had me in pieces and made me all warm and fuzzy inside! Only minor gripes are the episode title and Osha’s death. Of course she was a goner but I would’ve loved to see her at least get to scratch Ramsay with a blade before meeting her inevitable demise, as we’d expect from a true spearwife She will be missed.

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    197. Flayed Potatoes:
      If I was Lord Royce, I’d just rally all the Knights of the Vale to take out LF lol.

      The Castle Black scenes were perfect. I loved Jonsa, Torriene and The Man Bun. The Pink Letter was so well done. Seeing Jon list the things he had to do makes me want to give him a hug. He’s been through hell and back and got dragged through the mud without receiving any great rewards. However, I need a scene with Jon and Mel discussing his resurrection. Isn’t he curious why he was brought back? I also need to know why Mel thinks he’s The Prince That Was Promised. Where was the salt? I also wanted to see Sansa react to the news that her brother died and came back….it seemed like such a non-event to her idk. There are so many scenes that need to take place at Castle Black before Jonsa go shopping for an army. I feel cheated lmao.

      I think there will be a conversation between the two, as to why she thinks he is tptwp. My impression was that they are skimping over that part now because it is not immediately important to Jon’s arc. Later, whenever it becomes necessary , they will bring it up. The very fact that she keeps mentioning tptwp has to be for a reason.
      Besides, I agree, I wish there was at least one scene where Jon and Sansa talk about his death and coming back, her trying to wrap her head around it.
      Regarding Dany, yup, that’ s my guess for her end game too. Queen, with Tyrion as her hand.

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    198. dragonmcmx,

      When she shoved the second fire “basin” down, something like liquid fire spewed out, most likely it was some kind of lamp oil that was set afire and when she pushed it over it spread just like a grease fire in a kitchen.

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    199. Apollo,

      She really underestimated Ramsay. Seducing won’t work on him and reaching for that knife was the most predictable thing she could have done. Ramsay has some really good reflexes.

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    200. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      There was straw all over the floor as well, probably very dry straw. This would go up like … well like it does on the show. There would definitely be some kind of oil in those braziers otherwise they would go out after a while. I had no problem with that scene at all.

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    201. taim,

      You guys never stop to amaze me..

      Use money on Jon snow

      Watchers on the wall, hardhome ,battle of bastard and still whining. .

      How do you compare Jon’s resurrection with what dany does ..Jon’s resurrection is solely about himself and his struggles with it ..
      Dany’s going to change the proportion of whole continent maybe even two ..

      You guys can’t even tolerate 5 mins of action another character gets right ..

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    202. George: It’s going to be Drogon and a Stallion that Mounts the World thing; a speech ain’t gonna do it, that’s for sure.

      Well, at this point, it looks like Drogon is the Stallion that Mounts the World.

      Flayed Potatoes: Seeing as they want to wrap things up in 13 episodes, it does feel that way.

      It really is not rushed. This has always been a “fan” vs. “viewer” dichotomy. Fans want things drawn out, and every detail explained. Viewers want what is necessary. Shows and films that give you dialog that replicates information get panned for just that reason. That is part of why Chekhov wrote his famous dictum: if you emphasize things that are not really important later, then audiences get irked. (There were no such thing as Fanboys when Chekhov was writing his stuff, obviously!)

      That stated, the pace now should be faster than ever. We basically are starting the final act: and at this point, all of the dominoes set up earlier in the over-arching story should be ready to go. At this point, it’s about setting up the last key dominoes that are going to link all of the domino chains.

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    203. Seems like male characters are being hit by David and Dan’s new-found feminist touch. Mainly Jon, Theon, Loras. Make them weak to empower women beside them.

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    204. Wimsey,

      Agreed. The time for long drown out scenes has passed. It’s time to go into the last stretch.

      Not to mention, why should they talk about Jon’s revival, perhaps he simply doesn’t want to talk about what happened, what he felt, what he feels….etc. It sure fits Jon’s character, he always was a very closed person, not one to speak about his emotions and feelings.

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    205. JonFookinSnow: She really underestimated Ramsay. Seducing won’t work on him and reaching for that knife was the most predictable thing she could have done

      How would she know that seducing him would not work? It would for the vast majority of men. And one thing that Osha would have learned in her years with the Starks is that a woman reaching for the knife is one of the last things that a Kneeler would expect.

      Remember, Osha has not been watching this show! She would (like most people) know very little about Ramsay. I suspect that someone like her would have even less of a frame of reference for what Ramsay is. So, to her, another Northerner just wanting to get between her legs and not even considering that she might try to really fight back was the predictable thing.

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    206. Did anyone notice the unnatural roar of the flames when Daenarys knocked over the final brazier, was that supposed to signify some kind of magic or just bad-ass flame noise?

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    207. Mihnea: t sure fits Jon’s character, he always was a very closed person, not one to speak about his emotions and feelings.

      And the one thing that they established is that Jon and Sansa had not been close. What they really needed to do there was develop what their relationship had been like because they never had interacted on screen: and even if they had, then it would have been something from 5 years ago that nobody would remember at this point. One would have expected that it would not have been close: Sansa was mini-Cat as a girl, after all, and Catelyn hated Jon.

      But this seems to fit in with the implausible alliances. What they showed us is that the idea of Jon and Sansa working closely together would have been unthinkable years ago. Now they are. There is a “strange bedfellows” motif this year (which we also got in KL, Meereen and Vaes Dothrak this episode), but that makes sense given what it appears that the story is this year.

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    208. Hell-o:
      Seems like male characters are being hit by David and Dan’s new-found feminist touch. Mainly Jon, Theon, Loras. Make them weak to empower women beside them.

      Yeah i love Brienne for killing off interesting characters. Well more interesting than she is.

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    209. Sean C.,

      Castle Black (A): Yeah, this was good stuff, from the big-ticket reunion to Tormund’s glorious reaction shots to Brienne. If there’s one niggle I have here, it’s that there’s so much to be said between Jon and Sansa that you almost imagine the writers being unable to write such a conversation that wouldn’t take up most of the episode, and as a result there’s some stuff I’d have really wanted to see. Does she know about the White Walkers now, and Jon coming back from the dead? Both of those would be pretty major, for a character who has conspicuously had nothing to do with the supernatural for five seasons. But anyway, I’m pleased.

      How does everything from resurrection to Bran to Arya to Ramsay not come up? Its a resurrection and he is dressed to leave the wall. I agree yeah, it would have been nice to hear them talk about all that but what would be the point? It would take almost the entire episode. They have both been through ALOT! I don’t think it was a matter of the writers being unable to write it and more along the lines that GoT does not need a recap episode. We know, it’s important, and there is still a big ass wall between the Walkers and Westeros (for now bawahahah).

      Runestone (D): Ugh, in the midst of an episode that ranged from pretty solid to great in other plots, this was just a reminder of how stupid the plotting can get at points. Littlefinger’s plan is, if I’m following this, to show up and claim Sansa was abducted, but to not even pretend to be concerned about it (he literally starts the conversation by distributing gifts like a visiting uncle), and then to tacitly admit to Royce that he’s up to no good and then threaten Royce with immediate execution even though they’re in his castle. Where are Royce’s men? Why, as soon as Littlefinger leaves, would Royce not go get his men and the other lords and then cut Baelish’s head off? Like, this is an attempt to justify the Valemen going North that is actively dumber than if the Valemen had just bought Littlefinger’s story about Sansa being abducted.

      Now I could be mistaken but they are not at Royce’s castle. They are at the Lord of the Vale’s second home at the bottom of the mountain due to the colder weather. Lord Royce is watching over him while Baelish is gone. Yes he should have men there but the Vale has not been in a fight in over a decade, completely out of the War of the 5 kings so there blood isn’t as high, their willingness to draw blades isn’t as high either. So Lords feel safe in the vale don’t need to travel with a large contingency of men or could even trust other Lord’s men. You could almost say they need to be blooded first in a battle vs other kingdoms before they start having strife amongst themselves. Littlefinger’s reintroduction I thought was perfect Littlefinger. He knew going back to the Vale to see Royce he would have some questions to answer no doubt. The whole country knows about Sansa and Ramsay so he needed a plan. He keeps his cool by staying confident. He basically bribes Lord Arryn with a gift so he listens to Baelish instead of Royce. arryn likes gifts more than shooting arrows. It is clear that Baelish now has an army (Arryn loyalists at least). I think Baelish is in more control in the Vale than the show portrays. Those soldiers moved closer after Baelish said something not after Lord Arryn said something, they were listening to Baelish all while Baelish made it feel like Lord Arryn did all the decision making. I know we have seen Lords murder other Lords but not that much. They have honor and chilvary in the Vale, the Lord’s uncle pisses you off you don’t just go get men and kill him. It would be obvious it was Royce and Lord Arryn would probably have him killed. I know that is the easy answer, but they are still playing politics. Even in this show, you don’t go around murdering lords. There are always consequences. If it was a Lord and a farmer, yeah the farmer is dead. Did you notice Baelish used the now famous line that Royce can be useful in the WARS TO COME. Everytime someone says that, the person they are saying that to dies. My prediction – Royce dies in the battle for Winterfell because Baelish make Lord Arryn order Royce to be commanding the calvary or something.

      Iron Islands (B+): Theon found a ship to take him home somewhere, I see. Anyway, quick scene, great acting.

      Trading still takes place, people who had no business in the war still need to make a living. Not all ships leaving from the shores of the Riverlands, North or Western leave from castle docks. I am pretty sure ships are still heading from the mainland to II.

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    210. Mihnea,

      Yes he will be the mount to khal of khals like how he is light bringer to AAR and TPTWP ..

      But the problem here is he is being called as AAr and TPTWP and not light bringer

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    211. Wimsey,

      She seemed like a good judge of character in previous seasons. So maybe she should be more suspicious, which wouldn’t have helped her anyway.

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    212. Only been able to skim watch the episode so far and not had time to read all the comments, but here’s my two cents worth:

      JANSAAAAAA!! *hyperventilates* I’m not crying, you’re crying! 5 mins in an I’m already an emotional wreck.

      I fully expect Tormund to start a courtship display for Brienne like birds do. He’ll start putting flowers in his beard and presenting her with little gifts such as small dead animals, rocks and any potential weapons he can find lying around.

      Littlefinger giving a masterclass on scheming and manipulation there, I can’t wait for him to get all he so richly deserves!

      Osha Noooooo! We knew you were almost certainly doomed once Smalljon Tactful handed you over. At least it was quick with no dogs or flaying involved, which at Ramsay’s hands is a rarity. Hopefully Mel can keep bringing you back so you can be repeatedly killed as horribly as possible.

      S6 is officially my favourite so far, can’t wait for next week 😀 😀 😀

      And of course man bun! All that’s missing is the world’s most awesome headgear, but not long now……

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    213. I mean honestly the rest of this episode could’ve been Tormund and Edd playing beer pong and I would’ve been content, after these scenes.

      lol… Now, that would make one of those great post-credit scenes! “Did I ever tell you about the time I got a ball into a she-bear?” “*sigh* The gods really hate me….”

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    214. Steel_Wind,

      The preview for Episode 5 shows a teleporting Littlefinger. Or teleporting LF and Sansa. Whatever the case, not happy about that.

      I enjoyed the reunion; Jon’s PTSD? Not so much.

      We can see that Mel is not going to make it out of this season alive or, undead, or whatever she is. Shireen Baratheon is a score that will have to be settled; only Life can pay for Death.

      I enjoyed Daenerys scene but it is also pretty clear that we are just off the reservation now in terms of books and TV series. I guess the greatest thing about that is that we are getting our fix while still avoiding spoilers, because there is no way that GRRM resolves the Dothraki like that.

      Littlefinger has been able to move around Westeros quicker than anyone throughout the entire series. Not sure why his ability to get to the wall in an episode is that much of a surprise. It should be expected. Littlefinger works quickly, he wastes no time!
      I have a prediction on Mel – She said I listen to Jon Snow now. Jon is going to tell her to leave, he doesn’t want to be resurrected again. therefore he doesn’t want her there.
      I think w/ Dany something to that affect will happen in the books. They haven’t followed scenes from the book since basically season 2 and we don’t know what happens with Dany in the books after she comes across the Dothraki. But yet they still get to the same place typically in the book. I think most of us thought Drogon set that place on fire. No one mentioned once from all my spoiler reading that it was Dany who would cause that fire. I actually like that for the book. Dany earning the Dothraki loyalty instead of her dragon (that she can somewhat control) getting the loyalty. She earned this without Drogon. I like it!

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    215. Soooo tired of all the bitching and moaning about absolutely nothing:

      How did the fire ignite so fast?
      Why didn’t her hair burn?
      How does LF travel so fast?

      Blah – Blah – Blah

      Am I wrong, or is this show not a “FANTASY” series?

      The definition of the word FANTASY – the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are “impossible” or “improbable”.

      Every Sunday the same assholes, one in particular, comes to this site and tries to ruin it for those of us who love, understand and enjoy this genre – which they apparently do not. Yet claim to love the show.

      I’m not saying their dislike of an episode is not valid, of course it is – disliking the writing, directing, sets, costumes, acting, etc. are all salient. However, to bitch, just to bitch is fucking ridiculous. I suspect they, one in particular, must be a 10 year old child looking for attention. I will no longer give credence to these posters and skip over them as if they were not there.

      With that said, can someone please explain to me what is going on with Tyrion – I think the writing for him this season is seriously lacking?

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    216. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Is someone critizising her body? Oh, I know the type. Let me guess. You go to the gym extensively, you date very young, very thin, very shallow girls with a lot of make-up? Dany is so freaking hot, I almost shed a tear in the Jon/sansa scene, but when Emilia stood there naked I cried like a baby. So unearthly georgous, and I feel that when they use her nakedness in a scene like that, it just really gets to me. I cry.

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    217. Loved this episode, and the stark reunion was probably my favorite GoT moment so far. I’m really baffled at people bitching out about Jon’s behavior though. Most people imagined a post-resurrection jon snow completely different. Many thought he would come back bloodthirsty, some others thought he wouldn’t even remember how he died, and that he would come back with missing bits of himself. personally, it never really crossed my mind he would actually come back so tired of it all, but I completelly understand him. In the show’s timeline has it even been a full week since the events of hardhome up to now? Assuming it has, it is A LOT to take in in such short amount of time. Plus, while he was dead he realised that there’s NOTHING there but oblivion. Why would he come back ready to fight and die again? what is the point? give the man a damn break! Unlike most characters on GoT, Jon never had his own agenda. He’s been fighting for the greater good since day one. If he is tired for the time ever, so be it. I think he earned that right.

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    218. JonFookinSnow: She seemed like a good judge of character in previous seasons. So maybe she should be more suspicious, which wouldn’t have helped her anyway.

      heh, her “good judge of character” was “men want sex.” And, OK, that’s generally a good judge of character. But it is pretty improbable that she ever had met anything like Ramsay. Wildling men would have kept the knife out of reach. Westerosi men would have left it there because it would not occur to them that a woman might use it for a weapon. She would not have met someone who would leave it there not simply as bait, but as a distraction.

      The one thing that might be slightly disturbing: Ramsay might actually know something about Wildlings.

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    219. Enjoyed the episode immensely.
      Jon’s new character is evolving I think. Kit H. said he will do some fun stuff this season. Hopefully not a series of fangirl romances, or worse, gratuitous body shots or soft porn (like they did with Dany – have to have the nude shot occasionally even if it doesn’t really make sense to work the plot that way. ) She is beautiful but needs more meat to her plotline.
      Littlefinger – barfs
      Ossa – *sniff, Byeee!
      Tormund 🙂 Brienne ♥

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    220. VegoDread,

      What didn’t you like about Tyrion, this episode?
      I can understand the complaints for the past episodes, the scenes were mostly there for comedy but I thought he was great this episode.

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    221. Mrs. Snow,

      Ah, my sweet summer child, but it was her! Check the new EW interview.

      She’s not opposed to nudity if the context of the story warrants it, like last night’s ep and when she became unburnt the first time. I also read somewhere that the nudity clause/contract thing was one of those internet myths amalgamated with the game “telephone”.

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    222. RAvyn:
      Lisa0527,

      Margaret mentions it in her scene with the High Sparrow, referring to a holy text, but someone who knows the minutiae can better explain what it means than I can.

      Yes, Margaery, in her scene with the High Sparrow but I have no idea why this single-sentence quote warrants being the title of the episode. I’d love to see a deeper explanation.

      And one day you walked through a graveyard and realized it was all for nothing and set out on the path to righteousness. Book of the Stranger, verse 25.

      Is this summing up the futility of the game of thrones? Of life in Westeros? Of the drive to top the Joneses? Does this theme reverberate in the rest of the episode, beyond the High Sparrow’s conversion experience after his orgy-fest when the cobbler gave up his shoes forever?

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    223. It was a great episode ….and I love watching tyrion …..He must be planning something ….I don’t see what …it is …and that’s a good thing ……and grey worm and missandei are stepping up …..pretty cool ….happy with meereen. ..

      but nothing is awesome as what is going on in castle black …I had so much mixed emotions watching that scene today …

      dany got an army ….A huge one …she needs a commander for that army.. I hope she finds someone to command the dothraki division now …I actually thought khal moro would stick around ….and follow her …He seemed like a good actor and powerful leader …but he had to die….

      ummm did we get tammar Hussain ‘ s khal today….coz if we didn’t he could be dany’s new general. ….

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    224. deekan,

      I agree! I am getting tired of Tommen’s back and forth on who to trust. not tired in the sense of crappy scenes, just tired of the character being such a pudwack for being raised by Lannisters, I don’t hate it for the show just wondering when or if he will finally order strength. Cersei keeps dancing around the idea of force with Tommen, I wish she would just be more blunt, but she loves her child and she knows that he can tell when she is using him, she has to use her words carefully. NEED MORE JAMIE!

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    225. pras,

      My take on Tyrion’s actions.

      He is buying time. He clearly doesn’t mean it, that he’ll let them keep slaves for 7 years. He tries to make them keep the Harpies at bay and not destroy Meereen, by causing a civil war.

      He is simply trying to prevent a outright war until Dany returns.

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    226. Stargaryen:
      Now I could be mistaken but they are not at Royce’s castle.They are at the Lord of the Vale’s second home at the bottom of the mountain due to the colder weather.Lord Royce is watching over him while Baelish is gone.

      No, they’re at Runestone. They left to tour the Vale in episode 408, and were at Royce’s castle in 501. It’s a bit off because they still use the Eyrie as the Vale’s opening titles entry.

      Trading still takes place, people who had no business in the war still need to make a living.Not all ships leaving from the shores of the Riverlands, North or Western leave from castle docks.I am pretty sure ships are still heading from the mainland to II.

      The Ironborn have spent the last four seasons ravaging the western coast of the North, which is the only place Theon could have gone to get a ship. I would say it’s doubtful there’s been much trading going on, let alone that any Northerners would be eager to take him there. I’d say he found some Ironborn, but Yara said in 602 that the Ironborn had been driven out of the North.

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    227. VegoDread: Am I wrong, or is this show not a “FANTASY” series?

      Well, it’s not just that it’s a fantasy. It’s fiction, and it’s a story. You get big jumps in time between scenes in stories set in the modern world. People just standardize accordingly: one scene they are at home, the next they are at the airport: oh, time must have elapsed over which they did all the stuff you do before going to an airport. One scene it’s autumn, the next scene it’s snowing: oh, multiple weeks or even months must have elapsed.

      In this world, distance = time. So, if someone traveled a long way, assume that days or even weeks passed. This would be a slow world by our standards.

      As for implausible things happening, well, watch Myth Busters! They frequently go at the things that happen all the time in TV and film: and most of them are just as “fantastic” as the temple burning so quickly. Bullets do not set off gas tanks. Cars very rarely flip over in crashes. Forensics teams cannot reconstruct whole faces from a fragment of cheek bone. Etc., etc. (But elephants do avoid walking on mice!)

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    228. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Feisty as always, love it!

      And I’m not sure it’s been asked, but was that a body double for Dany? It just didn’t look right around her neck/face/jawline to me…

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    229. Steel_Wind,

      Why would Loras kill himself? He is broken yes but not sure why there is any indication he will kimself. I mean who knows, but no idea where that speculation came from, totally feels like it is outta left field even for GoT. Not many suicides. Except Maester Cressen.

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    230. Mrs. Snow:
      Lyanna_Targaryen,

      It wasn’t her body anyway, it was a body double, her contract says no nudity.

      This is internet hearsay, it was her. Please go read the EW interview and stop repeating this garbage which was invented by show haters on westeros.org

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    231. Ginevra: Yes, Margaery, in her scene with the High Sparrow but I have no idea why this single-sentence quote warrants being the title of the episode. I’d love to see a deeper explanation.

      My thought is that we were seeing the strangers’ playbooks throughout. Tyrion is doing things Tyrion-style in Meereen, which clearly is completely foreign to everyone. Daeny is doing things her way in Vaes Dothrak, and catching everyone completely off-guard. And even Ramsay uses a strange playbook on Osha, setting her up to think that he’s a typical kneeler lord, and then showing that he’s not.

      So, the Book of the Stranger nicely describes the tactics employed in three of the primary plot-threads.

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    232. I was so excited when the show opened with Sansa arriving at Castle Black. I am so invested in this show it’s scary to think I was cheering that she had arrived. The reunion was so splendidly done I would not have complained if the show had ended there..lol. So happy they included the show version of the Pink Letter! The meal with Tormand and Brienne was awesome…I chuckled out loud. It was a “glad they included it moment.” It IS so entertaining to see what the characters have been through and how they are changed because of it.
      Alfie Allen is doing a bang-up job this year with Theon’s character. I was a sad that his reunion wasn’t as warm as the one Sansa received after all he has gone through, but understandably Yara was not happy with him. She is the stronger of the two.
      Creepy Robin and Littlefinger are back and Littlefinger is doing what he does best, still moving the pieces around the chess board. It should be interesting when he and Sansa meet up again. I’d like her to hang him, but she will need the Vale to stand behind her.
      As to Ramsey and Osha we all knew it had to happen and I knew the moment she walked in the room she was going to go down fighting, but it didn’t make it any easier to take. That was a very brief return to the screen and now I’m seriously concerned for Rickon. So hoping Ramsey doesn’t decide to flay him, but afraid they both might end up flayed and on display:(
      To see Cersei and Olenna agreeing on something was troubling, but understandable. Margery isn’t broken, but her brother seemed so like Jon in the fact he has no fight left in him. There was little King’s Landing to get excited about and I thought Jonathan Pryce’s monologue would not be entertaining for most people, but I love his acting so I didn’t mind. Pretty sure my daughter cat-napped through that part.
      I understand Tyrion trying to be politic, but I about fell out of my chair when he said “seven years.” Dany is NOT going to be happy with him. His week of slavery, as Sue pointed out, can’t compare with what the slaves have had to endure. I can’t see them being happy with it either.
      Dany….it DID seem rushed. The affects were awesome and I know someone on here had said they bet she was the one who set the hall on fire and I was so pleased. It was stunning to see her step out of the flames and my thoughts that she wasn’t immune to fire (and it was a one time thing with the dragons being born) was so wrong.
      I had a feeling that the entire episode was women rising to the their challenges when Sansa first showed how strong she was in contrast to Jon and was so happy to see I was right. The women in this show certainly have come into their own.

      Sorry for going on and on, I don’t usually, but I felt it was great to see the story starting to merge along the lines we all want to see.

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    233. The last 3 consecutive nights, I’ve dreamt about Ramsay.
      – In the first one, I was living my old house here in denmark and I was hiding Sansa. Ramsay came, and I had to go-kart-race this guy I used to play soccer with in order to keep Sansa. We never liked each other, but I explained to him what Ramsay had done to Sansa, so he refused to race, and Ramsay just kinda ran off.
      – In the second, Roose Bolton was a friend of the family and when we visited, Ramsay would taunt and mock me. At some point, I found out that he was killing people and keeping them in the house. There was an akward moment, where he followed to the door and we both knew that I had seen something I shouldt, so we talked randomly. I even sugested he started writing in order to get all the darkness out. Then the police came.
      – In the third, Ramsay had killed my father (before the dream began). I was just sitting in an empty room thinking about it, and feeling helpless because there was nothing I could do about it for some reason.

      Through all three dreams, I was extremely afraid and I woke bathed in sweat.

      It’s weird because the Winterfell storyline is not the one I’m most excited about and Iwan Rheons Ramsay (while a great villain) is still not as good as Gleasons Joffrey in my opinion. I dont know, maybe he is after all. At least, Gleason didn’t haunt me through dreams 3 nights running. I sincerely hope it stops tonight.

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    234. Mihnea:
      taim,

      Use the money how?

      Jon’s resurrection didn’t lack money at all, it was clearly a deliberate choice to make it a more intimate moment.

      They should have used the money to go large on a colourful song and dance routine, Bollywood style.

      Just kidding

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    235. VegoDread:
      Soooo tired of all the bitching and moaning about absolutely nothing:

      How did the fire ignite so fast?
      Why didn’t her hair burn?
      How does LF travel so fast?

      Blah – Blah – Blah

      Am I wrong, or is this show not a “FANTASY” series?

      The definition of the word FANTASY – the faculty or activity of imagining things, especially things that are “impossible” or “improbable”.

      Every Sunday the same assholes, one in particular, comes to this site and tries to ruin it for those of us who love, understand and enjoy this genre – which they apparently do not. Yet claim to love the show.

      I’m not saying their dislike of an episode is not valid, of course it is – disliking the writing, directing, sets, costumes, acting, etc. are all salient.However, to bitch, just to bitch is fucking ridiculous. I suspect they, one in particular, must be a 10 year old child looking for attention. I will no longer give credence to these posters and skip over them as if they were not there.

      Did we just become best friends? Haha!

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    236. Question about the promo for the next episode. I thought that “Bran learns a great deal” or something like that meant that we were getting the next scene in the Tower of Joy. But it looks like it’s only about him seeing the White Walker threat for the first time. Did the leaks say anything about when we might see the rest of it?

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    237. I loved when Robin said lets go save Sansa and LF was, that’s exactly what I was thinking! and he is so proud.

      Kudos to the actor, he is great as Robin.

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    238. Mihnea: He is buying time. He clearly doesn’t mean it, that he’ll let them keep slaves for 7 years. He tries to make them keep the Harpies at bay and not destroy Meereen, by causing a civil war.

      I suspect that Tyrion does mean it. What it really comes down to is the crux of the stories: two ideals often come into conflict with each other. You cannot have emancipation and peace simultaneously if one side is willing to fight to keep slaves. However, his job as Daeny’s agent is to work for both.

      I did like Tyrion throwing it in their faces that despite the fact one of them had bought him last year, he had grown up as rich as any of them. He probably should have had a harpist playing Rains of Castamere: but that never charted in Essos!

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    239. yrgitte:
      Dragonmcmx,

      What did you think about the response to the pink letter? I found the acting by both Jon and Sansa to be a little “off.” Perhaps it was a matter of dialogue not flowing the way it should but to me the reaction felt a tad bit false. I know these two to be good actors so I’m not ready to blame them, more so the writing/directing I guess? Anyways, curious your thoughts.

      Sansa’s dialogue was a bit off this episode. I have no problem with her wanting to take back Winterfell and all, but give it a rest. This came out of nowhere, it feels as if the plot is forcefully being moved forward. Jon’s reaction to the pink letter was pretty much what I expected. He has doubts, he’s more cautious, and perhaps even a bit afraid, now that he’s experienced death.

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    240. How is LF going to worm his way out of the fact that he pretty much gave Sansa to Ramsey knowing what kind of beast he was? (Roose can keep him in check?) I think this reunion is going to be more awkward than the Brienne-Davos-Mel encounter.

      My guess is Sansa turns into the manipulator and LF the manipulated.

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    241. Mihnea:
      VegoDread,

      What didn’t you like about Tyrion, this episode?
      I can understand the complaints for the past episodes, the scenes were mostly there for comedy but I thought he was great this episode.

      I guess I’m more impatient than anything else…I just don’t understand where they are going with him – For instance, does he really think giving the Master 7 years to phase out slavery is a good idea, or is it a ploy?

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    242. targstark,

      It makes sense for him to react this way after not seeing anything on the other side. Ok. I think those of us who have issue with how he was last night are really just disappointed that his getting killed off seems to, as of now, be for no good reason whatsoever. Of course, there must be a reason for it in the future but it’s easy to feel let-down when we don’t precisely know where the future is heading. I’m sure it’s just a lull, and it is realistic to be sure, after the way it went down. Some of us were expecting the ordeal to be an illumination of sorts. We aren’t getting that but we must have patience because it could still end up having the pay off we’d hoped, just being delayed.

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    243. Where does Dany go next? Still the matter of needing ships to head to Westeros….I’m guessing she gets them from Greyjoy…..

      Great episode, I really enjoyed the Lannister, Tyrell scenes…..I think we’ll see Sam soon drop off Gilly at his family home and then Randall Tarly head to Kings Landing to lead the Tyrell army against the sparrows.

      What was up with the Pycelle scenes last night? Is he about to meet his demise or maybe working with someone like Kevan to take Cersei and Jaime down?

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    244. Dejl: Didn’t Sam tell him that they were alive? I know in the book he doesn’t, but I recall him telling him on the show.

      Yes, Show!Sam did.

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    245. VegoDread,

      I think he just tries to avoid a full on war/civil war.

      I don’t think he really means what he promised, I think he is simply trying to buy time until Dany is back.

      A generous offer is the best way, it could even cause inner-fighting among the cities.
      Volantis, who isn’t that close to Meereen, might agree, but Yunkai and Astapor refuse, this weakens his enemies and buys him time. And might even stop the Harpies from getting money, for a time.

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    246. gnarlytarly:
      How is LF going to worm his way out of the fact that he pretty much gave Sansa to Ramsey knowing what kind of beast he was?

      He didn’t know, according to the writers.

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    247. VegoDread,
      “With that said, can someone please explain to me what is going on with Tyrion – I think the writing for him this season is seriously lacking?”

      Either you’re being intentionally funny or you don’t realize how that sounded, either way it’s amusing 🙂

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    248. ygritte:
      Hiccup Targaryen,

      What did you love about the Ramsay letter scene? It did not seem to have the impact I thought it would. I feel for the first time, that the acting was not it’s usual top notch here.And the way Sansa has to implore Jon that they need to rescue their brother and his unsure demeanor… I dunno, it’s almost as if there are different writers, the fluidity is off imo. I wasn’t home when the show came on so I checked this site on my phone to see what ya’ll were saying and freaked out when I read a post about Sansa and Jon reunion. Couldn’t wait to get home and put on the DVR. Maybe I was just a little let down at the rest of the episode at CB.

      The TV letter only gave us information we already had. The book letter smacked us upside the head with big reveal after big reveal (any of which a reader has to doubt at least somewhat, then Tormund hints we should doubt it more), whereupon it is immediately followed up on by a major move by Jon, then Jon getting stabbed to death. That BAM-BAM-BAM was one of the most powerful points in the books.

      I am glad they were able to include a Pink Letter in the show, but given how they chose to do it, it could never carry the kind of impact the book letter did, because most of that energy and tension has already been spent. I did find it interesting that Sansa (without a basis, really) asserts that the part about Rickon is true after Jon expresses some doubts. Is this supposed to be a hint that the book letter is closer to the true/authentic end of the spectrum of possibilities?

      And as a side note, I do love it how Littlefinger now seems to know everything going on in the North.

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    249. The only thing that worries me about this episode is where is Ghost? Jon should keep him be his side 24/7/365…..

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    250. Pigeon,

      Changing the look of someone is a standard in TV, Movies, any type of visual media to do two things: Show a person has changed or make a person standout in a large group of people. The man-bun on the show is representing Jon is changed from the Jon that was in the NW. I read a lot of articles and comments and everyone that mentions Jon agrees that he has changed. So the show has done a great job with that, the man bun helps to visualize that change. Just like when Fin in Star Wars had the blood on his helmet. Or Why Stannis was only soldier at Blackwater not wearing a helmet. You have visually show the star being different. Just standard visual media writing, that’s all.

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    251. Redxgod,

      They use a real wolf, and film his scenes in Canada then make him bigger with CGI.
      The Direwolfs can simply not have a huge part, it’s simply to much effort for a 2 seconds shot ”oh here is Ghost”.

      Same way Dany won’t just fly Drogon every chance she gets. In the books you need 10 lines and Dany is soaring in the skies. While in the Show in would take months to film and the costs would be huge.

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    252. gnarlytarly: How is LF going to worm his way out of the fact that he pretty much gave Sansa to Ramsey knowing what kind of beast he was?

      Nobody knew what Ramsay was like, save perhaps Roose. The Boltons are very good at keeping secrets from other Northerners. Compound that with the fact that little news from the North makes it to Kings Landing brothels, and LF would know very little about the Boltons save their reputations: and LF would know far better than to trust projected reputations.

      There is a remote chance that Varys might have known something: but if there is someone who would have been a match for Varys’ system of little birds, then it would have been Roose.

      Again, one thing people have to remember is that this is a world in which news does not travel well, and the news that does travel is 9 bits of exaggeration, misunderstanding and outright lie for every bit of truth. Indeed, there is one of the ironies: on the off-chance that LF heard any “truth” about Ramsay, then he would be smart enough to dismiss it as no more believable than the Freys’ claims that the Starks were werewolves. You basically would be expecting the betrayed Northerners to fabricate nasty stories about the Boltons at this point!

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    253. To all the haters – Dany not only looked strong and beautiful, she IS strong and beautiful (Emilia too). What a great episode!

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    254. Chad Brick: And as a side note, I do love it how Littlefinger now seems to know everything going on in the North.

      He knows two things that are getting a lot of attention in the North: indeed, one of them is something to which the Northerners themselves are calling attention. That is a far cry from knowing “everything” or from knowing anything that people are trying to keep quiet.

      That written, one wonders if having Ramsay in charge is going to open up “leaks.” Roose was very good at imposing blackouts. However, Ramsay is much less elegant in his techniques and less sophisticated in his world-view.

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    255. Was last night the first time we got to see a reference to Book Daario’s naked women weapons? “He stood with his hands crossed at the wrists, his palms resting on the pommels of his blades; a curving Dothraki arakh on his left hip, a Myrish stiletto on his right. Their hilts were a matched pair of golden women, naked and wanton.” –A Storm of Swords, Pages 582-583.

      Daario was often stroking these naked-women pommels as he was flirting with Dany, which I found creepy. But I was still excited to see the naked woman knife in the show, like a book shout-out. “I’m very attached to this knife,” Daario says as he kisses Naked-Woman’s ass.

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    256. Wimsey,

      He did seem to have true affections for her so that makes sense. I guess I put him in the same light as Varys “knows everything”. He’ll have some serious splainin to do when they meet next week. More than likely Sansa’s main concern is saving Rickon saving WF then flaying the bastard…

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    257. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      I thought what we read was the Stark army was down to the Boltons 6 to 1. Remember the Bolton’s have the Karstarks and Umbers and are gunning for the Manderly’s as well. We don’t know how many soldiers Karstark has. We do know the Umber’s can’t beat the Wildlings per SmallJon so they must have significantly less than them, I am guessing no more than 1200. I bet currently the Boltons have probably around 8500-9000 soldiers currently. Still have to hear from Manderly’s, Cerwyn’s, Hornwoods, Glovers, and Mormonts. There was also mention of Tallharts a few seasons back.

      Side Note – Ravens are still used. Ramsay used them to announce his marriage to all of Westeros. But generally like Varys said he trust “birds” over Ravens and I think the rest of Westeros is starting to agree.

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    258. I haven’t read all the comments, so apologies if this is a repeat:

      Did anyone else note the inconsistency between what the HS told Tommon (that Margorie is planning to confess) and Marge’s attitude / talk w Loras? She told her brother that they can’t give in. I think this might be significant. Maybe the HS lied and it’s some sort of trap? Because from Margories scenes I saw no indication that she is inclined to confess.

      I’m also on board w Sue that Tyrions plan is…well worth attention. Initially I thought maybe he is slipping because he must understand it’s not a good plan. But maybe he is just trying to buy time. He didn’t indicate that to Grey Worm or Missandei.

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    259. With respect to Jon’s character, his being traumatized after the attack makes plenty of sense, but I’m sort of wondering how his talk about “nothing after death” works. If there really is nothing, then he should basically have felt like he woke up after falling asleep. The way he’s talking makes it sound like he has memories of the void, which is kind of a contradiction in terms; that means there is an afterlife, just not a very pleasant one.

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    260. Ginevra,

      He used the knife while killing the meereenese champion on breaker of chain

      And he was stroking those ladies while hizdar and him were reporting to dany in wars to come and dany while listening to hizdar …eyed darrio stroking the lady ..

      On a rewatch sometime somethings will be very great and nice than in the books…one such thing is tormund and brienne…i couldnt stop laughing at those scenes

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    261. Toast,

      Your comment makes me want to do more of em! Jonsa, Jansa, Briemund, Lord Mel the Onion Fire. Arya Hagr. What about all 4 of Meereen at once – Grey Messirion Master of Whispers. Jaario is pretty good. Could do Dany and her Dragon = Drony! Moras for Marg and Loras.

      I find it comical that you state you are an old guy asking for help from the younger people then proceed to bash the younger people.

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    262. Mihnea:
      Jon Something,

      No. There is no info as to when we can expect TOJ part2.

      also thought according to the episode description it will be next episode. But now it seems it might later one, maybe before the big battle at WF happens?

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    263. Tormund checking out Brienne may now be the greatest wordless thing ever. Especially as he continues to gnaw on whatever the hell he’s eating, food that is much below the quality of what Brienne/Sansa are used to, but still like 8 levels above what the Wildlings probably survive on.

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    264. Wimsey: He knows two things that are getting a lot of attention in the North: indeed, one of them is something to which the Northerners themselves are calling attention.That is a far cry from knowing “everything” or from knowing anything that people are trying to keep quiet.

      That written, one wonders if having Ramsay in charge is going to open up “leaks.”Roose was very good at imposing blackouts.However, Ramsay is much less elegant in his techniques and less sophisticated in his world-view.

      Yes, I know. You honestly believe that Roose and Ramsay ruled the north for twelve episodes and a year and a half real time (and similarly TV-universe time) as sweet little angels, before reverting to form immediately after LF convinced Sansa to head north. And you believe that Ramsay could make a habit of hunting people with hounds without gaining a reputation, because it is such a quiet, secretive hobby. Like Sansa’s knitting. Who would gossip about something so trivial? And his tortured pet Theon that he paraded around openly? No one would talk about that, either. A total secret. No way LF would ever catch wind of that.

      But somehow he knows Sansa has fled, despite the very bizarre fact that Ramsay seems to be keeping it a secret (he certainly isn’t behaving rationally and sending his 5994 not-so-good men after her!) and knows where she has fled despite there being no obvious way for him or anyone to know this. Did someone see her? If they did, why would that get to LF faster than Ramsay?

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    265. Ghosts Lunch:
      Massive lol at Tormund and brienne.

      What happens when he tries to “steal” her

      Certainly got his work cut out for him…

      ….and may have just “bit off more then he could chew” as far as that last scene goes….

      I don’t know about “more than he could chew.” The Bedder of Bears prefers a feisty, challenging woman, methinks.

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    266. Ginevra,

      Ginevra: Is this summing up the futility of the game of thrones?Of life in Westeros?Of the drive to top the Joneses?Does this theme reverberate in the rest of the episode, beyond the High Sparrow’s conversion experience after his orgy-fest when the cobbler gave up his shoes forever?

      I took it more as a symbol of the rebirth theme of this season, in a sense. The passage is about being in a graveyard, facing the concept of death and changing because of it, thus walking out of the graveyard a new (“reborn”) person.

      -We had our first glimpse at how literal death changed Jon.
      -We had Sansa and Theon finding new objectives in their lifes after their hell-like experience in Winterfell
      -Dany being back to square one, stripped of her power realizing that diplomacy, title shouting or even escaping would not do it and deciding to unchain her inner dragon.

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    267. Stargaryen,

      On Jon’s “change”: it’s hard to tell how he may have changed. He’s less interested in fighting to save the world. He’s more interested in his independence and his family ties. It’s not what I expected. But I’m hoping exactly how he is supposed to be “different” becomes more clear. For me, dying and coming back through Magic a day later should be impactful than being betrayed, even though such an experience will undoubtedly change you. Anyway, I’m interested and hoping for more.

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    268. “Book of the Stranger” was a fantastic episode of GoT, and reinforced the fact that we are heading towards the endgame. The Jon and Sansa reunion was beautifully portrayed, and Ramin Djawadi knocked it out of the park. The pink letter scene was great, with all the different characters together. I think The North will be my favourite location this year, with each scene getting better and better. Seriously pumped for the Battle.

      Dany was great, and I’m so glad that we were all wrong, and that Drogon didn’t need to help her this time. I’m also enjoying her story this year after what seemed like decades in Meereen. It is a little sad to see Khal Moro go, but I’m glad we got to see a Khal who was very different to Drogo.

      I thought the other scenes were fine, if unspectacular, although I did feel that the KL scenes dragged just a little. The confrontation with the Faith Militant should be good though.

      As I mentioned in the other thread, it is sad to Osha depart, but it was inevitable really. At least she wasn’t killed off-screen.

      Looks like there is plenty to look forward to again next week. Kinvara looks great, so that should be fun to see. Not looking forward to the stupid Littlefinger jetpack comments.

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    269. Lisa0527:
      I’m sure this is a stupid question…but why was it called “Book of the Stranger”?

      Basically goes into the passage Marge read out aloud, eg walking through the Graveyard is a metaphor for walking through the “Valley of Death” as it were

      So it is about going through experiences of death of some kind and finding renewal of purpose through doing so and passing to “the other side”

      Starting with High Sparrow, he woke after a debauched party to the fact he was dead inside and went on a new path without looking back

      So
      – Jon Snow is quite literal, he comes back and as we see from the clothing re-claims his Stark identity
      – Sansa is similar, living in her Home occupied by her enemies and treated as she was is a kind of “death” experience emotionally etc, eg she was ready to die in Winterfell while there was still something left of her. Now she is talking about re-taking it on behalf of the Starks (Home is where the Heart is and all that)
      – Brienne obviously walked through the Graveyard and all them dead bodies to avenge Renly as discussed but now she has new purpose (serving Sansa)
      – Mel and Davos had to go through Stannis death all over again, Shireen question was asked but Mel has renewal through deciding that Jon is PtwP now and Davos seems similarly inclined to help the Starks
      – Obviously Marge and Loras are going through a deadening experience, but Marge is passing through to the other side etc and will likely be released soon it seems
      – Theon has gone through a massive deadening experience, Yara too with her old man but her relationship with her brother (eg “I was told that can’t be true, Theons been dead a long time”) but we see here their relationship is being renewed
      – Jorah is basically a walking dead man, passing through the valley of death etc
      – Masters and Nobility are very similar, eg their attitudes but the Masters having to face the death of their economic model and to the former slaves a single day in slavery is like death etc etc
      – And of course Dany, going through the death fire experience which is a kind of purification but there’s the death of all the old tradition and the birth of a new one, hence the reason her experience harkens back to the death of Drogo and birth of Dragons moment

      There also the strong theme regarding tradition – and the death of it

      From this perspective the book of the Stranger and how it relates to a certain “Gravedigger” character is fascinating

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    270. aabe:
      One thing I noticed about that cozy little dinner at Castle Black: There was someone representing the following:
      Jon – Targaryen heir (he will be.)
      Sansa – Stark heir
      Brienne – Baratheon loyalist
      Pod – Lannister loyalist
      Edd – of the Night’s Watch
      Tormund – of the Freefolk
      Only Mormont’s raven is missing to represent greenseers and CoTF

      Fascinating!

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    271. Sansa is definitely not going to execute Littlefinger. Maybe down the road, but she just heard the numbers and knows she’s gonna need all the help she can get, and the Vale has the freshest, strongest army left in Westeros outside of the Tyrells. Their involvement all but guarantees a Stark victory, but how many free folk and northerners have to die before they get there?

      Dany has been fireproof from season 1. This wasn’t a just-made decision. She stepped into a bath that was near boiling that burned her handmaiden. She held a dragon egg that had been laying in a fire that seared the skin off Doreah’s hand. She told Jorah after Viserys died that fire cannot harm a dragon. They’ve been off-canon about this from the very beginning, so I don’t see what the big deal is. Will this be more drawn out in the books? I have no idea. As soon as I finished reading Dany’s last chapter where she looks up and sees Khal Jhago, a man she swore revenge upon, with Drogon still with her, my sense was that he has about ten minutes left in this world and she was going to take over his Khalasar right then and there, but maybe not. Maybe they’ll take her to Vaes Dothrak just as they did here. She doesn’t have nearly as much time in the books because Meereen is already under siege and she needs to get back.

      As for conquering Volantis, I’ve had the sense for years now that the red priests and priestesses there are fomenting a slave rebellion in Daenerys’ name. I think the slaves of the city will overthrow the ruling class themselves and when that big navy arrives at the same time as the Ironborn, they’ll already be declared for the queen and there won’t even be a fight. I don’t think she needs to conquer Volantis.

      And of course there is zero chance she’s going to agree to Tyrion’s plan. At best, he’s biding time. Maybe he believes he can actually make this deal. He can’t. The queen just took over all the Dothraki. That’s 100,000 bloodriders. Compare that to the 8,000 Unsullied she claimed to have. She isn’t going to mess around with peacemaking any more. The wise masters will be dead by the end of the season. All of them.

      But enough about her. Loved the Stark reunion. My wife read some article with a questionnaire guaranteed to make any person fall in love with you or something and asked me all the questions and one of them was when was the last time you cried? I couldn’t remember. Now the answer is last night. I love the new Sansa, too. She’s as done messing around as Daenerys is. When Lord Arryn and the Knights of the Vale finally get there, they’ll be putty in her hands. Littlefinger is hers if he survives, not the other way around. I just wonder if she’ll have anything to do with what looks to be the slaughter of a whole bunch of Lannisters and Freys at what is probably Walder Frey’s wedding (don’t see the show introducing Genna Lannister at this point), or if that’s purely a Tully/Brotherhood play. I can’t wait to see Blackfish and Edmure get back into the game. They’ll obviously throw their full support behind Sansa, too, as soon as they’re able to.

      Regarding Bran’s vision in the next episode and Meera trying to wake him, if we recall Bran has been having greenseer dreams since season 1. They happen while he sleeps normally, but he is not able to control them yet without Bloodraven’s assistance. That must be what is happening there, but the twist seems to be that the dead can see him. Presumably, this is how they learn he exists and come to attack the cave later on with the fireball scene and Meera looking up at the cave entrance and flinching. I’m sure the two of them will get away but how and where will they go? Hopefully Bloodraven can have his Obi Wan moment and become more powerful than Darth Night’s King can possibly imagine and put to rest this past decade of speculation that he is actually in cahoots with the Others.

      Anyway, I’m looking forward to the kingsmoot next week and keeping my fingers crossed for a Dragonbinder reveal.

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    272. Mihnea,

      On Sansa and LF: I don’t know how she will react. However I have two observations. Sophie Turner said she thought LF should be king in an interview (or something like that). This makes me think she will at least not kill him. Also, I feel like if she were to kill him Robyn wouldn’t be happy.

      She needs soldiers so whether or not she “forgives” him, I don’t think that the new Sansa is about to miss an opportunity of swelling her ranks for the battle for Winterfell. She might put him in a position of shame in the hopes that it will bind him to her more tightly. Or he might be convinced of the utility of helping her to take it and having new allies in the North. I’d say he would marry her, but I don’t think Jon would sanction it. And it seems like Sansa is going to try to sell Jon as the rightful warden. Brothers and sisters can share power without being married. Of course they married in Westeros, but Sansa and Jon could plan to share power, maybe as regents for Rickon.

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    273. Flayed Potatoes,

      I think she had said a few times that the Dragons are the only children she will ever bear, which explains what she said to the Khal. That she would not have a son with him or any other man. Therefore, lets hope there is another Targaryen somewhere in the world who can further the line.

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    274. Flayed Potatoes:
      ghost of winterfell,

      I wonder who Dany is going to marry. She’ll have to reproduce to ensure the succession lol.

      Tyrion.

      But seriously, the more we see the more I am convinced she is a conquerer, not a ruler. So she will need to either hand it off to someone or marry a good ruler. Jon? Tyrion? They are both unwed.

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    275. Fleabottom’s home
      ,

      I thought it was remarkably well done – very realistic. The way she simply, playfully demands “forgive me” – no pretense of being a lady or having to truly plead – he is her brother, she can be like that with him.

      I think many people are different when they are around family. I have observed this in many friends (and I probably do it, too) – because they have grown up around these people, they are fixed in the way they interact and they behave according to a role that was assigned to them within the family that is very different from who they are outside of it.

      Markus Stark,

      not true, though. I’ve posted plenty of criticism from being underwhelmed by plot decisions to character portrayals I dislike to actors I feel shouldn’t have been cast. I have even stated that I liked something better in the books. And while I have heard counterarguments to my arguments, there was only one incident in which someone got really mean (which was, I believe, an argument about my dislike for the character of Daenerys). This site is very civil, especially in comparison to what goes on on the internet pretty much anywhere else from youtube to comment pages on online magazines to other fansites. Stop bashing it.

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    276. Stargaryen,

      Littlefinger has been able to move around Westeros quicker than anyone throughout the entire series. Not sure why his ability to get to the wall in an episode is that much of a surprise. It should be expected. Littlefinger works quickly, he wastes no time!

      This is not an explanation.

      kakakakate,

      Can you imagine if they wasted all that time with Littlefinger/any other character travelling though? You have to imagine that every episode combined with the gap between them spans at least a couple of weeks, if not much longer.

      I get what you’re saying. I really do. We are done with the travelogues. Still, the idea that LF will go from the Vale to CB requires some explanation. If he goes by land, we (the viewer) need to know what happened when he met Ramsay. It doesn’t need to be shown but it should be said.

      If he goes by sea and the scene takes place at Eastwatch then how did LF and Sansa know to meet there?

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    277. JonFookinSnow,

      Well the show is about how all the main characters are training for the ending. Sansa being taught politics by Cersei and Baelish. Jon learning how to lead. Arya learning to be the badass warrior she wants to be. Bran training to be greenseer. Dany training to be queen. They have all made mistakes. You can’t give the others a pass on their failures and not give Dany any.

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    278. Fleabottom’s home
      ,

      I thought it was remarkably well done – very realistic. The way she simply, playfully demands “forgive me” – no pretense of being a lady or having to truly plead – he is her brother, she can be like that with him.

      I think many people are different when they are around family. I have observed this in many friends (and I probably do it, too) – because they have grown up around these people, they are fixed in the way they interact and they behave according to a role that was assigned to them within the family that is very different from who they are outside of it.

      Markus Stark,

      not true, though. I’ve posted plenty of criticism from being underwhelmed by plot decisions to character portrayals I dislike to actors I feel shouldn’t have been cast. I have even stated that I liked something better in the books. And while I have heard counterarguments to my arguments, there was only one incident in which someone got really mean (which was, I believe, an argument about my dislike for the character of Daenerys). This site is very civil, especially in comparison to what goes on on the internet pretty much anywhere else from youtube to comment pages on online magazines to other fansites. Please stop bashing it.

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    279. Dee,

      Agreed. Not the way he means it at least, in my opinion.

      LF won’t just pop in the house he speaks with Sansa, we will get a scene showing him march with army….or who knows perhaps he goes ahead of the army with a small group of people.
      It will be by land in my opinion, if he wanted to go by sea, there would have been some hints.

      Anyway the ”teleporting” arguments is null and void for me, characters need to move so we can have a story, them moving a great distance simply means quite some time has passed.

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    280. JonFookinSnow,

      Yes, things tend to go her way. No one would ever disagree with that. But it is exactly the same way in the books. Not sure if you are a book reader or not but this is just kind of what happens with her in the books. it is nice to see a protagonist actually grab the reigns and do something for a change instead of others helping the main character. The show has to condense storylines and move them along and you know this. You have wrote on here a long time, you know this. They can’t hit every scene. I told my roommate that Dany’s last scene will be torn to pieces by critics but it was still good. don’t know any other way for DANY (not drogon) to earn the Dothraki respect and maybe GRRM plans in the books don’t work well for TV. All I can say is the Dothraki don’t deal with large fires or water. Burning buildings and floating ships are not their forte. They are not the brightest and will most likely be her Vanguard when fighting the others.

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    281. Dee,

      They could show Mount Cailin, it is a symbolic location and would inform the viewer that LF is in the North, hell a 5 sec shot would be enough.

      But I do not expect anything more.

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    282. Mihnea,
      Dee,

      LF won’t just pop in the house he speaks with Sansa
      I don’t think you’re going to get much explanation

      This is my main concern. I don’t have “teleporting suspension of disbelief” perfected yet.

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    283. Dee,

      Daario’s face was gold! He always had a more relaxed relation with her, mostly because unlike Jorah he didn’t saw her survive the burning pyre.

      I love their different reactions.

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    284. Wimsey: My thought is that we were seeing the strangers’ playbooks throughout. Tyrion is doing things Tyrion-style in Meereen, which clearly is completely foreign to everyone. Daeny is doing things her way in Vaes Dothrak, and catching everyone completely off-guard. And even Ramsay uses a strange playbook on Osha, setting her up to think that he’s a typical kneeler lord, and then showing that he’s not.

      Thanks, Wimsey. I couldn’t help but think of TPB with your quote. Her way is not very sportsman-like.

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