Next Basque locations ready for action, GoT invades Malpartida & a character returns

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While the Game of Thrones cast and crew keep on filming in Barrika, hidden from view by the stoney shore of Muriola Beach, the two remaining Basque locations receive their finishing touches, and part of the production team already moves south to prepare for the much anticipated filming at Malpartida, which promises to be a huge sequence. Not everything is happening in Spain, however: News coming from Northern Ireland suggest the return of a character whose fate was left uncertain at the end of last season.

The elaborate set dressing of Zumaia’s Itzurun beach has been going on for weeks now, while Gaztelugatxe in Bermeo has remained curiously untouched, even though they are set to film there first —Tomorrow, in fact. Yet, one only has to take a glance (or this beautiful drone flyby) to realize why that may be the case: The quaint islet, connected to the mainland by a sinuous bridge, already looks like it belongs on Game of Thrones, so why change anything? Well, it may have been late, but change something they did:

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Thanks to Edd in the comments for the screen capture

Yesterday, ETB, the Basque Television Network, showed us the many white trucks that had invaded the area, as well as the discrete way in which the islet had been modified for filming: prop beacons have been implanted all along the path up the islet, which may point to some of the scenes filmed in this location being set at night. If you are picturing this path ending up in a CGI rendition of Dragonstone, you may just have the right idea. This is all the more exciting once you consider the persistent rumors that Emilia Clarke is already in Biscay, which —if true— would suggest she is set to film in Gaztelugatxe tomorrow. This may mean the Queen has returned to the place of her birth, which also happened to be the starting point of the Conquest for her ancestor Aegon.

Meanwhile, filming in Zumaia’s Itzurun beach commences on Monday, after the two other Basque locations are already done with. Its set dressing has now gone beyond replicating a fortified wall. As you can see, the production has expertly replicated the characteristic sedimentary rocks of Zumaia, the Flysch, for their props:

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Photograph by Beleike

It has been previously rumored that Game of Thrones would take advantage of Itzurun’s caves for one of its scenes. As you can all see thanks to the ever-helpful Jon Urbieta, preparations are well underway to film inside these natural formations:

Photograph by SUD OUEST

Photographs by SUD OUEST

Now, let’s move south to Malpartida in Cáceres, specifically Las Breñas and Los Barruecos de Arriba. Last night, HOY reported on the initial preparations for the sequences to be filmed there, which promise to be much grander in scale to anything going on up north in the Basque Country. Fresco Films, the company that handles much of the production for HBO in Spain, rented six industrial depots in the area to house everything that such a production entails. This includes horses and 450 extras, who will be brought into the site a whole week before filming starts to be taught how to act like soldiers by two British Army instructors. These battle scenes will be accompanied by later filming in the nearby Cáceres City proper and Trujillo Castle.

Finally, let us return to the main hub of Game of Thrones: Northern Ireland, where everything is much more tightly controlled by the production. Thankfully, a few things always slip by, and this time it was that Tobias Menzies was returning to London from Belfast, which probably means he had new scenes to film for the show.


Last time we saw Lord Edmure Tully, he had just surrendered Riverrun, and then Walder Frey took him back to the Twins to rot in a jail cell… Yet, thanks to Arya, Walder Frey is no more, and his most prominent sons suffered an even worse (yet tastier) fate. Will Arya free her uncle, or will Edmure have to set himself free? What role will the Lord of Riverrun play in season seven? Let us know your theories in the comments!

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    1. Luka, I truly envy you for living in such a beautiful place!! Seriously…I live in Michigan! We have some pretty stuff too but I have to drive forever to get to any of it lol! And you’re right about having this opportunity vs being an extra (which would’ve been super cool too) but this way you get to speculate and have fun with it too!! ?. Very cool!!!

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    2. Luka you are on Fire 🙂 Buen Trabajo 😉

      About Edmure I would like to see Arya helping him… maybe that is the reason of her new clothing…. I was recently watching Outlander I must say Tobias is an incredible actor and I would mind to see him more in GOT :).

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    3. Edmure was bound to appear again..he will be made as lord of river run again

      Looking forward to tomorrow’s shooting with Emilia…hopefully we get some footage and clips like yesterday..

      Am I the only one who find it difficult to remember all this places and schedule …its like essos and slaver bay all over again..

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    4. Great to know Edmure is back!!
      Who could he have been filming with, I wonder if Maisie was in Belfast as well this week?

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    5. dragonbringer:
      Edmure was bound to appear again..he will be made as lord of river run again

      Looking forward to tomorrow’s shooting with Emilia…hopefully we get some footage and clips like yesterday..

      Am I the only one who find it difficult to remember all this places and schedule …its like essos and slaver bay all over again..

      I am cautiously optimistic that we may have some pics or footage.
      Glad someone is keeping us straight when it comes to filming locations.

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    6. ghost of winterfell:
      Great to know Edmure is back!!
      Who could he have been filming with, I wonder if Maisie was in Belfast as well this week?

      That is something I would not mind seeing. Arya busting Edmure out of his cell.

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    7. Ever since the season finale mentioned that Edmure was in the Frey dungeon, departing from the book, I was wondering if that was going to set up Arya springing him.

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    8. Arya breaks Lord Edmure out from the Twins and returns to Winterfell. This would give Sansa/Littlefinger a mission. Return Edmure to his seat at Riverrun. Meanwhile Davos/Brianne link up with Dany and they find Gendry. Dany legitimizes him. Then Davos and Tyrion smuggle him back to Dragonstone to reclaim the Baratheon seat. So Team Jon has the North, The Eryie, and Riverrun. Team Dany has the Stormlands, Dorne, The Iron Isles and The Stormlands. This leaves Cersei The Crownlands and the Westerlands. This should force Jamie to try and retake Riverrun in order to link up the Crownlands and the Westerlands. Brieanne will be forced to face Jamie. (In the books Lady Stoneheart forces Brieanne to choose a sword or the rope….)

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    9. I can imagine Arya releasing him (hopefully his wife and kid will also be spared lol).

      As for Dragonstone, I assume Dany will be shooting something with the Unsullied.

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    10. I haven’t done so under the previous post, so I’m using this opportunity to welcome Luka Nieto to our writing team! 🙂

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    11. Whoa! This is so much news coming out of Spain and now N.I.? Holy cow, Luka, you are on fire! Thanks for this news. I kind of thought we’d see Edmure again so it’s nice to know it’s probably happening for certain!

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    12. God I love Tobias Menzies. I’m sure his scenes will be some of the best of the season, at least acting-wise. The man is TALENTED af.

      Let’s see if we’ll have any pictures/videos from tomorrow’s shooting.

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    13. Awesome to see your byline, Luka!

      Just a thought: if Cersei does travel to The Rock (whether fleeing destruction and Dany or not), that will put her within reach of Edmure…and Edmure was Cat Stark’s younger brother…valonquar if you will…

      Speculate away, folks! ?

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    14. Our spy from Spain at it again.

      WotW version of Varys. Nice job Luka.

      dragonbringer,

      Let’s hope that someone manage to get some picture or footage. Like with Peter and Liam. Emilia is supposed to shoot with Unsullied. Funny that Kit was supposed to be there and yet no word, picture or sight of him. Maybe, Javi wasn’t spot on this one.

      Nice to see Tobias and maybe Jon will visit Riverlands and manage to get them on their side.

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    15. Geralt of Rivia,

      Kit is supposed to film in Zumaia, so that’s next week. I guess we will know for sure then.

      Jon is supposed to go south, I would like it if he tried to get the RL on his side by convincing them of the threat from the north.

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    16. I am sorry to bring up the leaks again. But please, please, let this be true! This guy is once again saying that the leaks are false.

      mod edit: yeah hi please stop bringing this reddit leaker drama here. thanks! – Sue the Fury

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    17. ghost of winterfell,

      Curious if Jon travels by land or by water. To Dragonstone it’s better by water and he has Stannis’ fleet plus some ships from the North fleet if they do have one. They should at White Harbour.

      Riverlands would make a lot of sense. They’re in turmoil and Walder was the one that was form in control. like Tywin. Once dead, their House will start crumble. Dragonstone would make plenty of sense not only to met someone who can provide support with forces but also dragonglass. Also, interesting if Jon will know about her before going or landing somewhere and stumble upon her.

      Oh next week, goo then. I have sort of mess in this where, when and who will be filming what. So many locations, actors, crew here and there.

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    18. Another great post Luka! It is so hard keeping all these Spanish locals straight, but with your help, you make it easier. Glad to hear Emilia is there and may start filming tomorrow. I really hope Kit shows up soon somewhere in Spain!

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    19. ghost of winterfell:
      I am sorry to bring up the leaks again. But please, please, let this be true! This guy is once again saying that the leaks are false.

      mod edit: yeah hi please stop bringing this reddit leaker drama here. thanks! – Sue the Fury

      Thanks Sue. Honest, I don’t get people going to a site were every Tom, Dick and Harry can post stuff and there is no oversight. You read something you don’t like and then come here for confirmation or denial? WotW is the only site I trust. I consider myself a huge fan, but I would never rely on that other site for news that is truthful.

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    20. Newbietothegame,

      I wasn’t asking for confirmation or denial by the mods. There were a few other people here who were following this stuff, so I was basically posting it for them. For some reason, I haven’t been able to comment on the forum pages (everyone has been facing problems) for some days now, that’s why I commented here. Anyway, I won’t mention it any more.

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    21. This shoots the ‘leak’ into space once and for all. The guy said nothing about any Edmure scenes, actually said there would be no Edmure and no Riverlands.

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    22. Hear Marko Roar: I haven’t done so under the previous post, so I’m using this opportunity to welcome Luka Nieto to our writing team!

      I too would like to welcome Luka as a member of the writing team! Nice work, Luka! Your posts were always reasonable, well written and very informative – now your articles carry those same excellent qualities, along with your enthusiasm for this site. Thanks for helping make the time until the new season go faster.

      When Edmure first made his appearance in earlier seasons, he was written as somewhat of a rich fuck-up who really didn’t have a clue as to legacy, honor or emotional investment in anything but himself. Now he knows first hand what it means to defend your name, property and family. He saw that his uncle was willing to die to defend Riverrrun; he has his own wife and son. I think we will see a greatly matured Edmure next season, hopefully more skilled in politics, who might actually become an asset to the Starks. I look forward to watching that.

      Gendry coming back – that’s fun. I can’t imagine that he ever got very far away from Dragonstone. Even with those strong, blacksmithing arms of his, he couldn’t row worth a damn. Maybe he’s been hiding there the whole time. When you think about it, there are a lot of reunions he could have that would be delightful to see: Arya, Davos, maybe Melisandre. I imagine Mel finding him somewhere and sidling up to him in her “old lady” form. She would know that he’d run like a bunny if he ever saw her in her Red Woman form again.

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    23. Oh man I would LOVE to see Edmure’s face if Arya busts him out!!!! LMAO!! He couldn’t set the boat on fire for his father and now his niece has to save him hahahahaha! But, at the same time, would she let him out as herself or would she do it under disguise? I wonder if she will take credit for avenging the red wedding! I would really like to see her go in and save them as herself but I really wonder how the rest of the family will feel about her being a crazy face changing assassin. It kind of seems like she may keep it to herself, let him out under disguise and then disappear on him.

      Something that has been bothering me…where did she set up shop to “carve” the sons? And with so many freaking Freys living there how did THAT go unnoticed? Where did the girl’s face come from? Did she steal faces from the HBW? Did Jaquen give them to her for her journey? Or did she really kill some random girl to wear her skin?? Man that’s creepy!!!! “It puts the lotion on it’s skin”. Ahhhh!!!!!

      Glad he is back because we will at least see the aftermath of Arya’s vengeance yay!!!!!!

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    24. Thank you Luka, for being our eyes on the spot and bringing us these exciting bits of info and beautiful pictures. I need to go for a year-long vacation in Spain!

      I am still in happy shock that Dragonstone will feature so much next season.
      Edmure Tully was shown to be a very practical man and unusual feudal Lord in Season 6, opting to save lives rather than the family name. Interesting to see where his story goes.

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    25. Although I’m avoiding major spoilers, I do not consider returning characters as spoilers, so here I am. And yes, it is nice to know that Edmure is probably returning.

      Side note: Last year’s news that Edmure is returning was the time when I made my first comment on WotW.

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    26. Off topic. I was searching on youtube to check out new videos about Game Of Thrones world and find out this video on symbols such as phi, golden spine, ratio – the way it was used and meaning in Game of Thrones. Thoughts?

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    27. Flayed Potatoes: I can imagine Arya releasing him (hopefully his wife and kid will also be spared lol).

      I hope so. If she lurked around the Twins long enough to capture and cook (ewww) Lothar and Black Walder, then she would have learned about Edmure’s fate. There are a lot of Freys left, but they seem to be a mostly rudderless lot – maybe Edmure and Roslyn will take over as the lords of that whole lot. That’s a lot of valuable real-estate to watch over. Does anyone have any thoughts about Old Walder leaving a will, and if so, would the Lannisters let it be honored? Wouldn’t Jaime be riding back to the Twins to keep order, and then somehow get caught-up first-hand in the battle against the WW?

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    28. Arya Serious:

      Something that has been bothering me…where did she set up shop to “carve” the sons?And with so many freaking Freys living there how did THAT go unnoticed?Where did the girl’s face come from? Did she steal faces from the HBW?Did Jaquen give them to her for her journey? Or did she really kill some random girl to wear her skin??Man that’s creepy!!!!“It puts the lotion on it’s skin”. Ahhhh!!!!!

      I agree with you about something bothering…I too, have wondered where she got the face she was wearing. A face for a face and she gave the Waif in place of Lady Crane. That being said, I can’t see her “stealing a face” nor Jaqen “giving” her a face for her travels. That would be really creepy. I have tried not to think about this particular scene too much as it doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me that she had a random face, over-powered two idiots (maybe not so hard after all), AND made a Frey pie. Kind of nonsensical when you analyze it.
      I would like to see her free Edmure as herself if she is going to do it at all. Then I’d like to see her go home. Should be interesting to see what happens in the world of Arya.

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    29. Lord Parramandas:
      Although I’m avoiding major spoilers, I do not consider returning characters as spoilers, so here I am. And yes, it is nice to know that Edmure is probably returning.

      Side note: Last year’s news that Edmure is returning was the time when I made my first comment on WotW.

      And it was our good fortune that you did! I’m with you, will be nice to see how Edmure plays into the next season.

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    30. Keep up the good work, Luka Nieto!!

      It looks like the Riverlands and the remaining Trout are back to game (of thrones…. sorry, couldn’t help myself). ACME should be pleased with the news. 😀

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    31. As much as I would like to see Edmure return, I’m not sure a driver waiting for Tobias Menzies at London City is particularly good evidence of anything.

      As well as arrivals from Belfast, there were several arrivals from Edinburgh and Glasgow yesterday at similar times to the Belfast arrivals (not to mention many other flights) and Menzies is apparently currently involved in the shooting of Outlander series 3…

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    32. Geralt of Rivia,

      I just saw this today. It’s really well done and I enjoyed how it puts it all together without bashing you over the head with their theory. I already had noticed most of these symbols and how they paralleled each other (I had not noticed the Sansa and Arya ones). From the depictions to the filter they use, the showrunners don’t get enough credit for the little details they add to the series.

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    33. Elizabeth,

      I think it was a conscious decision not to give us those answers. We are supposed to be equally elated by Arya’s revenge and creeped out by the pathway she’s undertaking.

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    34. Elizabeth: “That being said, I can’t see her “stealing a face” nor Jaqen “giving” her a face for her travels.”

      But it’s either that or she cut off a random dead girl’s face on her way to the Twins. No matter what, it’s creepy but that’s what Arya has become. That’s what she’s been trained to do.

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    35. Ellie:
      All I care about right now is Dany’s outfits for next season. I can’t wait to see them!

      Lol can you believe thats the one thing I’m most excited about? I really can’t wait, mainly because Michele Clapton kinda confirmed she’ll be dressing red in S7. I’d love if that happened when she was already landing at Dragonstone.

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    36. Ellie:
      All I care about right now is Dany’s outfits for next season. I can’t wait to see them!

      I’m so excited to see her dressed in Targaryen colors, I’ve been waiting for this for a long time. See some proper Westorosi embroidering of her House seal in her clothes. It’s going to be awesome.

      Luvd80s2:
      Ellie,

      Me too!!! And the hair, she has the best hair styles on the show!

      Yes! I wonder if she’s going to be sporting something very different from what we are accustomed to, which are her amazing braids.

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    37. Ellie,

      I want to see her in colours of her House Targaryen, She wore white, blue and other kinds of colours but she now embraced her Fire and Blood ancestory. It would be appropriate to wear red and black.

      Also, some kind of armor to be designed as riding a dragon is dangerous, so armor is required but sword probably not. That’s not her strong side.

      Iam curious once Jon’s parentage is out, if he wears armor. Like Rhaegar did, Aegon. I mean full breastplate. To honor his Targ side or is he simply going to fight as Northerner in Stark outfit, because he sympathize with them more.

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    38. The return of the Trout looks inevitable from the POV of the story and also

      the fact that the inner gates of Riverrun looked to be affected by fire and broken in the photos from the set.

      Also, I wouldn’t be surprised, if it turns out that Arya killed a lot more Freys than just three of them. She could have poisoned whoever she wanted when serving the wine during the feast, and the castle looked surprisingly empty next day, when she was serving the Frey-pie to old Walder.

      One way or another the Freys will be in disarray, and I hope Roslyn will use this chance to take her role as Lady Tully. Yes, I would like to see Edmure rescued by his wife, not Arya (well, compromise: Arya may help). IMO Roslyn has a great potential as a character and she could become a real inspiration to Edmure transforming him into a worthy man after all.

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    39. ooohh yeeesss ..fashion talk!!! cant wait to see Dany’s outfits this season since you know she will be stepping up her game to look more “Queen” then “Khaleesie”… between her and Cersie the south story is gonna be where the “clothes drama” is at

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    40. Rhaenys Stark:
      God I love Tobias Menzies. I’m sure his scenes will be some of the best of the season, at least acting-wise. The man is TALENTED af.

      Let’s see if we’ll have any pictures/videos from tomorrow’s shooting.

      I’m not looking forward to

      his demise in Outlander

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    41. Yes fashion!!I can’t wait to see what Dany wears.She is going to look great in black and red.I also want to see what Jon is gonna wear if he goes south.Knowing him probably the same thing but hey one can hope lol.

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    42. Add me to the list who is looking forward to see what Clapton has in store for dany ..

      I believe dragonstone will be recreated in the show like they did with vaes dothrak and I believe its just going to be big and awesome and we will be seeing lots of minute details that we never got in season 2 and 3

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    43. Really looking forward to seeing Gaztelugatxe, Bermeo in S7. It’s such a beautiful location. And nice that Edmure is returning.

      Also nice to see that screencap with the reporter again. 🙂

      Geralt of Rivia,

      Jon + Dany = Bringing balance to the Force. Nice to see writers/producers actually putting some deep literary/scientific research in their work. (*cough* Unlike Disney Star Wars/Marvel *cough*)

      Terrific video – thank you for sharing it.

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    44. Jenny,

      Just like Ned when he went to King’s Landing. Jon is not really into fashion. Show seems to highlight Jon as Ned 2.0 and Ned wore some lighter version, as KL is south and much warmer. I don’t think he’s gonna wear fur coat like last season.

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    45. Not surprised to hear that Tobias Menzies may return. Edmure’s story has to be tied up one way or another. They can’t just forget about him in that dungeon.

      The question is whether or not he still has the support to re-establish himself as Lord Paramount in the Riverlands. I can’t imagine the Riverlords were too pleased about him handing Riverrun to the Freys once and for all in order to save his own bacon.

      Having him find a way to redeem himself and pledge the Riverlands’ support to Jon ahead of the wars to come would be a straightforward way to tie up that loose end and bring the Riverlands back into the fold.

      But I think there’d be more drama in the Riverlords rejecting him and pledging themselves to the Stark children (and their Tully blood) instead.

      Not sure if we’ll have time for such complications though. Although, if Tobias isn’t spotted again in Northern Ireland etc. then he may have just had a couple of scenes bringing his story to a close; whereas if he’s re-appointed Lord of Riverrun and gets involved in the politics of the Seven Kingdoms again you’d expect he’d be involved more heavily in filming and we’ll get some proper sightings.

      I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

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    46. Jenny,

      I hope they update his wardrobe the way they did Robb’s when he became KITN. Jon can’t go on wearing old Stark armor he found at the Wall.

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    47. Kargaryen,

      Really? That’s awesome! She would look gorgeous in red

      Luvd80s2,

      She has the most fabulous hair ever! I think each season she braid it a little more, I think it has a dothraki meaning or something? Im not sure, but I can’t wait to see her new look for S7

      Geralt of Rivia,

      Totally! I would love to see her wearing red and black. What I find interesting about her style is that she incorporates little details of every culture she has been part of, so I’m really excited to see a westerosi influence now.

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    48. Flayed Potatoes,

      Can someone translate it. Google is not exactly best for this.

      moiaf,

      I noticed some symbols while watching it but this analysis goes deep, actually with proper research and examples in history such as art, life, nature.

      I really like Leonardo DaVinci being mentioned because for example Jon’s and Dany’s ressurection is again inspired by another painter called Caravaggio, for resurrrection theme in episode 3 and 4. Not so much in Arya or Sansa scenes. More or less in Jon and Dany scenes because it was very hard not to see how deliberate it was.

      Of course, peole can call it overanalyzing but it occurs far too much, on too many occasions and constantly between same two characters. Mostly Jon and Dany.

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    49. Flayed Potatoes,

      I know right?At least let him wear something like Robb wore at the red wedding that was good.Also check the pap on twitter the new pictures will make you happy.It’s someone we both enjoy very much.

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    50. Flayed Potatoes:
      Some new information from L7R about the scene Davos and Tyrion shot yesterday

      http://lossietereinos.com/una-escena-de-accion-en-las-playas-vascas-y-mas-noticias-sobre-caceres-e-irlanda-del-norte/

      Translating the information:

      L7R said Davos and Tyrion filmed another scene on another beach. It’s most likely KL where they are questioned by Gold Cloaks and attacked. Davos is captured and a character with a red helmet enters the scene and frees him. The character is revealed to be Gendry and the three of them run away by boat.

      Also this happened (Moneyglass set)

      https://twitter.com/PAP4U/status/789131564189937665

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    51. Flayed Potatoes,

      You’re the best.

      It looks like it is King’s Landing and Gold Cloaks and the first scene we saw yesterday was Dragonstone as they go to KL? Meaning Cersei still controls KL, Davos and Tyrion working together. I wonder where this leaves Jon? I suppose he travels wih Davos? Is he at Dragonstone or elsewhere? Would more bet on that some alliance was established between Team Jon and Team Dany at this point.

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    52. Geralt of Rivia,

      L7R said they first filmed Davos, Gendry and Tyrion arriving somewhere and later, after the lunch break, they filmed the scene with the Gold Cloaks.

      In my opinion they filmed at both KL and Dragonstone, but filmed their arrival to Dragonstone first, and the KL scene after lunch.

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    53. Flayed Potatoes,

      Using the same space on one beach to represent two separate locations? That’s unlikely. Likelihood is they filmed their arrival at and departure from a single location.

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    54. A Dornish Tyrell:
      Elizabeth,

      I think it was a conscious decision not to give us those answers. We are supposed to be equally elated by Arya’s revenge and creeped out by the pathway she’s undertaking.

      That actually brings me to mind something that kinda bothered me. I just rewatched all six seasons on HBOGo and included were interviews with D&D for behind the scenes of most episodes. After BOTB, D&D made a big deal about how awesome it was that Sansa set the dogs on Ramsey. After all he had done, her getting her revenge on him, how it was this great thing for her character, showing her strength, etc., and that her little smile as she walked away from him was one of their favorite Sansa moments ever.

      But then…. in the very next episode when Arya gets her revenge on Walder Frey who arranged the brutal and horrific deaths of her brother, her mother and many of their kinsmen in a setting that is pretty much considered an abomination in the North (and most of Westeros), it shows what a horrible path she’s on, and that you really need to worry about what she’s becoming.

      I was like… huh?!?! I mean, seriously! Sansa set dogs to brutally rip and tear Ramsey apart, watched it and then walked away with a smile. Arya killed and, yeah, chopped up/baked two of the people who were responsible for killing her mother and brother, then slit the throat of the man who orchestrated in his home while hosting them, and walked away with a smile. All things considered, both acts were fairly awful (totally deserved to all parties, it goes without saying). And truth be told, well, Arya killed Walder quick, probably had to have killed his sons quick too in the midst of everyone… not so much with what Sansa did to Ramsey. (Again, well deserved, but I’m just saying, in terms of doling out punishment here.)

      But Arya is this evil killing machine… despite the fact that the ONLY people that Arya has killed (DESPITE BEING ORDERED TO UPON THREAT OF DEATH TO HERSELF!) are people who have killed, tortured or seriously threatened or tried to kill her or her family/loved ones.

      So I don’t quite get why Arya is the only one whose path we have to worry about? (Or really at all.) How is what Sansa did (and her same smiling reaction as Arya’s was) so root-worthy and such a great moment (according to D&D) while Arya’s take-down of the Freys who viciously murdered her brother and mother and orchestrated the Red Wedding a sign that she’s on the road to being a cold-blooded monster if Arya’s is? Why can’t it be that they are both coping with what’s been dealt to them and both have found strength… why is Sansa championed and Arya not in this act?

      OK, maybe it didn’t kinda bother me, but just plain did–how one sister’s (deserved) cold-blooded and ferociously vicious revenge was championed as a great moment and proof of her strength, while the other sister’s (deserved) cold-blooded and ferociously vicious revenge was spoken of as, while something that viewers were looking forward to, well, what does it say about Arya’s character and what she’s becoming? And did you see her smile?! That’s worrisome. (Ooh, but when Sansa smiled afterwards… that was her best moment EVAR!!!!)

      Just really frustrating.

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    55. ghost of winterfell,

      This is what they said:

      Si por la mañana la escena era la llegada de Davos, Gendry y Tyrion de otra localización, después de comer se grabó algo diferente. Y es que unos capas doradas abordan a Davos y le hacen una serie de cuestiones, aunque no tenemos el detalle de la conversación.

      If in the morning, the scene was the arrival of Davos, Gendry and Tyrion from another location, after the lunch break something different was filmed. Some of the Gold Cloaks are approaching Davos and are asking him a series of questions, though we don’t know what the conversation is about.

      And then they describe the action scene where Gendry appears (which I translated previously).

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    56. Flayed Potatoes,

      You’re probably right. Wonder why Davos and Tyrion went to KL in the first place but it becomes clear there must be alliance established, but just can’t place it in which episode it could be. Probably earlier, since Cersei still controls it otherwise Gold Cloaks won’t be questioning them and they wouldn’t be sneaking into KL on their own. I’d say Jon might probably travel on his own and Davos with Brienne or together? It would make sense to go together and make some visits to other places such as Riverlands and Dragonstone.

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    57. Meera news is awesome. Arya, Lyanna and Meera at one place. Too much badass sassy Queens at one place. Just hope Jon is able to meet them because if he’s going to miss them by one episode or so.

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    58. orange,

      Thats accurate. Him and Emilia follow each other and if you follow her on IG you’ll see, she liked his photo.

      I’m just really waiting for photos because with so many different sources saying Kit will be in Spain I can’t see it not happening.

      Also I don’t see how the info of a possible Dany/Jon scene won’t leak.

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    59. Ugh, tried to edit this into my reply above, but it didn’t take.

      I’m trying not be too spoiled, but I just need to see physical proof of Gendry, and maybe Joe filming with Maisie, and then I can wean myself away, LOL!

      I always knew that Gendry would be back–there was just way too much story for his character, esp. with them weaving Edric’s story into his–and I’ve just been (im)patiently waiting for his return. So happy he’s back. Now if we could just fly to next September!

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    60. Kargaryen,

      I think someone will see him in town or elsewhere which would basically confirm scenes between them, but with shooting they’ll probably try to avoid it. But hopefully some guy or girl will manage to do Jason Bourne stunt like last year at TOJ or footage of Tyrion and Davos this year.

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    61. I read the L7R new spoilers earlier and I’m so confused about

      what Tyrion and Davos were doing in KL on their own? Its not like they are decent fighters. They better come up with a good explanation, even if they have allies there they shouldn’t be alone

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    62. Geralt of Rivia,

      Maybe it’s in the middle of the season? I’d say episodes 1 and 2 are too early. I’d love it if Jon went to the Riverlands. If Bran arrives in Winterfell (which is now 100% confirmed as far as I’m concerned), I’m more and more convinced the show will send Jon somewhere else before Bran arrives because they don’t want him to find out about R+L yet.

      What’s confusing is that they say Tyrion, Davos and Gendry were filming a scene where they were arriving from another location. If the beach they arrived to is KL (which is what people are saying), then where the hell was Gendry all this time? Davos told him to go to KL when he helped him escape.

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    63. Flayed Potatoes,

      If that location is only KL, does that mean Gendry is arriving at KL with Tyrion and Davos from another location, which would mean he was not on KL in the first place? Or is one beach really standing for 2 locations, Dragonstone and KL. I feel L7R is making some mistake here.

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    64. ghost of winterfell,

      This is what I don’t understand either.

      The logical thing would be for only Davos and Tyrion to arrive in KL and then leave together with Gendry after he saves them. Maybe this is what’s happening lol.

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    65. Flayed Potatoes,

      It’s possible that Jon vs Sansa won’t be main thing. Yes, some kind of conflict but Jon will move South because of white walkers, while Sansa might dismiss it and be in the North. Meanwhile Jon missing Arya and Bran.

      But since you mentioned R+L=J. I think Jon travelling South and not meeting other Starks might be on purpose, so he can meet Dany. Actually connect with her and then finding out they’re related. I remember in original outline, it says that Jon is confused by his feelings for Arya until his parentage comes out, so maybe they twist it and Jon will be confused because of parentage and not before. Like okay, I like her and she’s my aunt.

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    66. Geralt of Rivia,

      As long as he’s not a prisoner the whole season lmao. I want to see him do things and not lose his agency.

      I think Jon/Arya was replaced with Jon/Dany (in George’s outline too). And instead of making things easier (allowing him and Arya to hook up), his parentage will make things more difficult (like you said…’I like her, but she’s my aunt’).

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    67. Flayed Potatoes,

      Tbh I would like to be her prisoner. 😀

      Jon is at best when he’s angsty. He’ll be conflicted as hell not only because of Ned, Rhaegar but also her. It kinda make sense because Ned and Rhaegar are gone. Of course, he would be confused because of them but it has to have some rlevance in the present storyline. Basically only two people that are connected to it or it matters to are Jon and Dany. It would make sense also why the’re going to meet , to know each other and than yo Jon… you ain’t my bro.

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    68. Sean C.,

      From laws perspective it’s fine and not even incest. Brother/sister or parent and child is. But more from emotional point of view because loving your family is a good thing, but this kind of love to Jon might be weird and he’ll be conflicted. My father is not my father, someone I love is my aunt and that is something Jon will have to think about.

      Also I might add, that George mentioned in interview marriage between aunt and nephew in Q&A on TWOIAF and there are no such a marriages there or even in Targaryen family tree or are they? Maybe I didn’t know about some.

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    69. JenniferH,

      I think we should feel equally elated and horrified by Sansa’s action as well…

      The only difference I can think of between the two sisters is that Arya wanted to become a Faceless Man. She actively pursued becoming a sort of “hitman”. We could speculate that Sansa’s murder was a one-time thing only, whereas in the case of Arya, she has become a trained assassin in a “revenge rampage” mode (although it remains to be seen). And that, for such a young person, is trully terrifying.

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    70. I’m was super psyched about Tyrion’s outfit yesterday so I’m excited to see Dany’s as well as Cercei. But if we see Jorah and he’s in the same clothes im gonna lose my sh*t.

      Also I am certain Emilia and Kit are in spain. The guy said he met both of them and Emilia liked his post. Emilia’s likes and follows are pretty much spoilers. She’s the reason I was sure Joe (Gendry) would be back.

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    71. nightcrawler,

      We know next to nothing what Jon will be or won’t be doing next season, so I would wait with this. But yeah, a lot of people noticed this pattern of women power. Some people on youtube as I noticed said, while they’re appreaciated it, but they don’t want to see this like over the top. Strong female character shouldn’t diminish male character or vice versa. There is always room to make strong both of them.

      That’s Kit should be renamed to Kit Bigfoot Harington. Everybody saw him but nobody has any pictures of him.

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    72. nightcrawler,

      It says episode 3, soon to be former King means they might know some stuff what is happening? Varys, Theon, Grey Worm I can see why you think this way.

      Nikki,

      She said something about Joe or what did I missed?

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    73. nightcrawler,

      Maybe D&D interpretated Valar Morghulis and Dohaeris as All men must die and serve too literally.

      I would wait to crucify them, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the do have some preferance. But still have my hopes they’ll do justice to them. They’re too big of characters and during one of the interview they mentioned Kit and Peter as guys they like to write for.

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    74. Flora Linden: Jon + Dany = Bringing balance to the Force

      I strongly disagree, I think a union between these two is actually a disaster, from a magical perspective. Daenerys is Fire and the Night King is Ice. If Jon is a Stark/Targaryen, as most people believe him to be. Then him siding with either one of them would most likely upset the balance. That’s why I think Jon’s resurrection was important, if he remained dead and was controlled by the Night King, essentially siding with him, then it would break the wall. Same if/when he sides with Daenerys.

      I think Jon is the balance. And I believe the other 2 pieces must be removed in order to restore that balance.

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    75. Thanks for the video ..
      Hopefully we will have someone with the same quality camera..

      Dany is powerful because germ wrote it that way not show runners and she has been that way from the start..same goes for arya cat and yara and brienne

      The thing I hate about this argument is that they absolutely don’t write female characters well in the show when compared to male characters and yet this arguments are made..

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    76. Dracarys,

      I think you mixed things, Kit was on vacation here in Brazil at the end of last year. Yesterday he was seen in London. Can he go from London to Brazil in 15 hours? Yes. Is it likely? No. They are filming the new season until February, I doubt that he will taking vacations until there.

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    77. nightcrawler,

      We’ll see, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they push Jon a little bit aside. He’s naturally introvert, leader out of necessity chosen by others. Dany is the exact opposite. I have hopes as for now, so we shall see.

      dragonbringer,

      Last season Tyrion made jokes, Jaime pawn to Cersei and Jon schooled by Sansa at every opportunity and D&D actually nod to Sophie’s words about Sansa being a better leader and that she should’ve been rulling instead of him.

      If someone is worried about it, I don’t blame them but we still know little about next season. Last season it went like girls taking charge, which is good, but if you can overdone this then it can dissapoint certain people.

      Myname,

      She is. She mentioned story of her and Kit gong to concert and nobody noticed her. I guess, her wig is doing miracles.

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    78. Omg yes finally!!He is in Spain I have been waiting for him to go south since book one.I am so exited for this.Him and Dany are going to be so great.And can people chill!!Until now everybody was complaining that he would be bogged down with the Lf and Sansa Drama and just wait around being dumb in Winterfell and now that he has a new and exiting storyline it’s still shit because he can’t bow to Dany.If that were to happen than it woudn’t reflect badly at all on Jon because it shows he knows what’s important and would put him a step above her.But you know what I don’t think it’s going to happen because that’s not Dany’s character she is a fair logical person who has shown to accept former enemies and to care for people and wanting to save them.So just wait and see what happens and pray for Spain footage lol.

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    79. Flayed Potatoes,

      Told you: Davos will be trying to smuggle Tyrion into KL, they will be intercepted by the city guards, and then Gendry will rescue them. And then apparently they will be forced to return to Dragonstone.

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    80. nightcrawler,

      Have you read the books? They did Tyrion a major kindness with the tv version of his storyline last season. Had they followed Tyrion’s book storyline, Tyrion would still be wandering aimlessly in Essos, going from one master to another asking “where do whores go?” Who the fcking cares, Tyrion. Get over your pity party!

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    81. follyofdaedalus: I strongly disagree, I think a union between these two is actually a disaster, from a magical perspective. Daenerys is Fire and the Night King is Ice. If Jon is a Stark/Targaryen, as most people believe him to be. Then him siding with either one of them would most likely upset the balance. That’s why I think Jon’s resurrection was important, if he remained dead and was controlled by the Night King, essentially siding with him, then it would break the wall. Same if/when he sides with Daenerys.

      I think Jon is the balance. And I believe the other 2 pieces must be removed in order to restore that balance.

      I don’t thnk Dany and the Night King balance each other out. The Night would slaughter her army and dragons.

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    82. dragonbringer:
      Thanks for the video ..
      Hopefully we will have someone with the same quality camera..

      Dany is powerful because germ wrote it that way not show runners and she has been that way from the start..same goes for arya cat and yara and brienne

      The thing I hate about this argument is that they absolutely don’t write female characters well in the show when compared to male characters and yet this arguments are made..

      she is strong because she has dragons, that is the main reason people fear her. She always is so entitled, thats why I have issues with her character.

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    83. Is the production hiding Emilia? Everyone is spotted in various different cities and meanwhile she filmed for 4 weeks in NI and now is probably in Spain only one person managed to take a photo with her, and thats because he seems to have access to celebs.

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    84. Flayed Potatoes:
      And now my worrying over Jon’s arc begins….

      Yeah. As exciting as the prospect of Jon going South is, I worry that his importance may be minimized in the presence of certain other characters. I do not want a repeat of the S6 Jon/Sansa debacle.

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    85. Flayed Potatoes,

      Geralt of Rivia,

      If these “famous” leaks are true , i don’t really want to see Jon as a new Mark Antony !!! Jon can be a great leader who love and cares about his people but we don’t know how the lords of the North will react in tne new situation !!!! Especially when there are others wolves in the North !!!!!

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    86. sun,

      I don’t think that’s the case anymore. The show is just so big now and she goes to many award events, parties, has multiple magazine covers every year and not to mention the movies. Her last movie did very good. And for what I know she’s been taking private jets lately so this would help people not seeing her.

      Last year there were many photos of her and fans at this point of filming.

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    87. nightcrawler,

      Don’t worry for Jon. In 609 Ramsay has awakened a dragon, and though that dragon is still flexing muscles, next season we will see him fly high (Dany should better treat him nicely).

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    88. BunBunStark,

      So what do they do with Jon?Put him in a bubble?At this point he can only meet with other protagonists.The time for solo storylines has passed.It’s the climax they have to meet.I know some people think that since Tyrion has met Dany he has become secondary but that’s not true at all in my eyes.Just compare the screentime.They will balance it out.

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    89. BunBunStark: Yeah. As exciting as the prospect of Jon going South is, I worry that his importance may be minimized in the presence of certain other characters. I do not want a repeat of the S6 Jon/Sansa debacle.

      I am not worried, yet. Dany is seeking alliances, which can be done without marriage and Jon losing his status. All it took was a hand shake with Yara. Dany has come a long way and I don’t see her regress, especially with Tyrion as her hand.

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    90. BlueRoseofWinterfell,

      I understand why Jon can travel south because he knows the North on their own is fucked. They don’t have men, supply or three dragons, dragonlass. As Davos said “sitting in the frozen castle at the edge of the world” is not the best thing to do. Cersei won’t be someone to reason with, so this new person with three dragons who happens to have Tyrion as advisor might be.

      I personally wouldn’t mind, if Jon will bend the knee or be a bit pushed aside. After all he’s most likely to self sacrifice anything, in order to prevent white walkers from winning, and he couldn’t care less about titles as far show goes. Bending the knee literally of figuratively speaking like with Yara is not a bad thing, it’s the logical one. He sees the bigger picture and if it helps. It doesn’t make him idiot or lesser character.

      I am excited for new possibilities and interactions and hopefully Jon will be given room to shine. I don’t want much, but good scenes with Tyrion, Dany, Theon, Davos. They can nail it but I understand why people think differently.

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    91. taim: she is strong because she has dragons, that is the main reason people fear her. She always is so entitled, thats why I have issues with her character.

      Was she not strong prior to having dragons? I seem to remember her arc in S1 to be all about her gaining strength from within and stepping out of Viserys’ shadow. It was about her gaining independence and embracing the dragon within her. When her dragons were just born she had to be strong for her people and guide them through the Red Waste.

      Sure the dragons give her advantages like being able to conquer and amass armies, but that all comes from her own strength; the dragons will not respond to her if she’s weak. When she chained up two of her dragons, she was also symbolically chaining herself up as well. I wish the show would have adapted Daznak’s Pit exactly as it was in the books because it truly illustrates her strength and courage.

      Put simply, the girl has mettle. She has dragons because she’s strong not the other way around.

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    92. As much as I don’t want to see it, Jon bending the knee literally or figuratively would match up with the advice he gave to Mance in 501 to do so, and save his people.

      He needs to make an alliance with someone, and Daenerys makes a lot more sense than Euron or Cersei. And in spite of the recent history between the Starks and the Targaryens, the only Targaryen that Jon has ever met is Maester Aemon – someone he had a great deal of respect for.

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    93. BunBunStark,

      I want him to do things, come into his own and lead, without losing agency and without becoming submissive. I liked what they did with him in previous seasons. Jon has ambition and he wants to lead and be active. So I’d like something developed based on those experiences, with some R+L revelations added when it’s time. That can be done without reducing his or other characters’ importance to the story.

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    94. Jenny,

      For all the talk of stealing the spotlight and sidelined ..

      Remember this is supposed to be about dany’s conquest now they bring him south to meddle with that..

      On the subject of tyrion …does anyone notice how every point regarding dany has come down to tyrion will advise that …he will speak against it ..not when tyrion is with her …tyrion will know better…tyrion will teach her …tyrion will take care of this ..tyrion won’t allow it…tyrion will be horrified about it .

      Its as if dany doesn’t have mind of her own …and funnily enough when something to be blamed everyone forgets about tyrion..

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    95. Jay Targ,

      People forgot who stepped into the fire and hatched three dragons. It’s not like she had some kind of manual for it. She just went there on her own and emerged unscathed. Jorah warned her that she’ll die and she still did it. Because she’s strong and brave person who believed she can do it. Blood magic played a role in this, but it showed how far she came from scared little girl, to this women able to walk into fire, sack cities, end slavery and all that things.

      Dragons gave her power but she earned it.

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    96. Gravemaster:
      Okay, here’s the vid on my channel. My gut was telling me that it would be taken down, so I downloaded it.

      Fantastic, thank you so much! That hammer though!!! ?

      See guys? Gendry totally not important this season. LOL. ?

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    97. Geralt of Rivia,

      I was speaking about writing ..but if you only care about who is having the power .go at it.
      Right now every female character is either mad or power hungry or darker or just a warrior or a cartoonist killers who kill their own family..

      Whereas make characters are the epitome of virtue ..tyrion can’t be wrong at all…like you keep saying jon is the most humble person who doesn’t care about power at all .he will go on to sacrifice anything for his people..

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    98. Geralt of Rivia,

      Of course Jon maybe will not have any problem to kneel or stay behind for the common good .The thing that matters is the others opinion about the new era . North Remembers and North knows no king but the king in the North who’s name is a Stark or has Ned’s blood .

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    99. Flayed Potatoes,

      Jon had ambition before Hardhome and when he was killed. After that he was confused and sort of giving up. He just wanted to ride south until Sansa came. Now is Jon more ready to do what needs to be done but don’t think ambition will stand in his way.

      He values life now more than ever. He saw what is out there and what is after death nothing. Like when he crawled out of that pile of bodies, he choose to live per Kit’s words. I imagine he’ll sacrifice anything pride, ambition even his life to defeat white walkers.

      Other questin is, if he’ll ever find na peace as Thorne said “he’ll be fighting their battles forever” metaphor for meaning he might suffer fate like Frodo. Living but both carrying scars, unable to get peace and that’s why Frodo left with Elves and Gandalf. I don’t know that we have in this story such a lands. So he might live but forever changed as a person.

      More and more I see Jon becoming Frodo of this story. I thought more of him as Aragorn. Ranger up in the North, hidden prince or King, powerful bloodline and destined to wield powerful sword to defeat evil. Bran as Frodo. But Jon seems as Frodo more or less, could be even combination.

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    100. dragonbringer:
      Jenny,

      For all the talk of stealing the spotlight and sidelined ..

      Remember this is supposed to be about dany’s conquest now they bring him south to meddle with that..

      On the subject of tyrion …does anyone notice how every point regarding dany has come down to tyrion will advise that …he will speak against it ..not when tyrion is with her …tyrion will know better…tyrion will teach her …tyrion will take care of this ..tyrion won’t allow it…tyrion will be horrified about it .

      Its as if dany doesn’t have mind of her own …and funnily enough when something to be blamed everyone forgets about tyrion..

      Well, Tyrion disapproved of her plan to burn the slavers cities to the ground. And she changed her mind.
      So his council must have some influence on her. Plus she gave Daario the boot.

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    101. BlueRoseofWinterfell,

      The north also wants to fucking live and not become zombies so they shouldn’t really talk lol.But we are getting ahead of ourselves here.We don’t how they are going to interact but GRRM has been thinking about this shit since the 1990′ so I’m sure they have figured it out.

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    102. Geralt of Rivia,

      People just don’t give enough credit to her. The eggs didn’t hatch themselves. If she has dragons, its because she (apart from getting them) was the only one responsible for that.

      Jay Targ,

      I’d give you a thumbs up here if I could Lol exactly that. The dragons wouldn’t obey her if she wasn’t strong. In the show they were back when she embraced her Targaryen heritage and I assume the same will happen in the books.

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    103. The corresponding article on WIC includes some additional photos of scenery extensions at one of the shooting locations in Spain, one of which depicts ‘stone’ lioness heads mounted on a stone wall. Looks like some characters are headed for Casterly Rock! That would be a far more plausible place for Tyrion to be infiltrating (via the caves and drainage system) than King’s Landing, where he could not possibly go about unrecognized.

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    104. taim,
      entitled like every other character in the books you mean..

      A little girl who just lost her child and husband but knows she must be strong for her people and lead them across a waste land .
      A girl with nothing but tiny dragons decides to help free slaves by placing herself in a great danger and playing a huge gamble without knowing how it will turn out ..
      I can go on and give you hundreds of example why she is strong….but it won’t change anything in the way you view her so why bother..

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    105. Geralt of Rivia,

      Jon is a combination of Frodo and Aragorn, imo. Even the names of his friends at the NW are similar to Frodo’s. Samwise became Samwell, Peregrin became Grenn and instead of Merry he has Dolorous Edd.

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    106. BlueRoseofWinterfell,

      Old way of thinking. You see, Jon and Dany represent new way. Both broke barriers at Night’s Watch or ending slavery. Not comparing them but you can see where am going with this. If living means bending the knee literally or figuratively, he’ll do it to save his people. I think show will find a way to make him swear fealty to Dany in respectful manner or at least I hope so.

      He mentioned this option to Mance “Isn’t survival more important than your pride”

      Mance thought this way “If I’ll bend the knee, people would hate him or not respecting him.”

      They might not but it isn’t about this, pride, ambition. It’s about survival and Jon learned it over the course of his journey. It’s posible he’ll kneel literally or figuratively speaking and Northerners might not like it but after all they can refuse them but they’ll die. Not saying Jon will do anything for Dany but he would this to save his people and give them chance.

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    107. Hey I was thinking are we getting the kit and emilia ew cover for season seven or do we have to wait for season eight?These are the important matters lol

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    108. Geralt of Rivia,

      We believe different things . I don`t believe that Danny represent the new and i don`t believe also that North can handle easily the new situation !!!! Difference make us smarter !!!!

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    109. dragonbringer,

      Jon has always been written like that. Source material. Jon is literally the sacrificial, classic hero in the series. He’s the Harry/Frodo-Aragorn/Luke. Show did nothing to alter what was already in the written series.

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    110. Newbietothegame,

      A role of advisor is to give advise right…and it’s still her decision to make ..

      People use these arguments even for simple things that is becoming grating..every credit goes to tyrion while blames goes towards her..

      And I find it funny people seem to worry about this leak especially with the part that jon giving up his KITn ( not bending ) while he is going to become King of all westeros..
      There are lots more idiotic stuff in that leak .like trying to convince cersei and how suddenly jon realizing he must need every soldier even from those who can’t see reason..

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    111. Kargaryen,

      People jus like to shit on character for no reason,. No talking about this debate but elsewhere. It was a gift from Illyrio as Jon got Longclaw from Jeor but both earned it. plot gifts and things like this. Branding them Mary or Gary Stu. Usually, I would debate people over this but over the time I learned to just let people think this way, if they want to. truth is both fucked up a lot of things and almost got killed or even got killed.

      Another things to call her entitled. If I achieve what she’s done, I would have certain degree of ego. That is normal to every successful person. Ther are more egoistic character in the story.

      ghost of winterfell,

      Sam and Samwise is one of the things to notice. True but clearly George is taking inspiration from LOTR. Also, people expect ending like tons of people killed. It won’t be like this. Some people will die but mainly survive and somehow try to repair Westeros or their lives. Much like LotR George is talking about that ending for GoT will be a bit like that. Not same but similair.

      nightcrawler,

      In broad strokes. I saw Jon learning,stepping up as a leader. He was arrogant, rude, enittled at the beginning to Pyp, Green, and others. He then grew up to be bst friends with them and relate to them. He stepped up game while being with wildlings and see they’re humans and not monsters. As he told Stannis. He also bcame LC at such a young age doing fairly decent job, allowing wildlings to pass the Wall unlike anyone before him and showing that he see the bigger picture. His season 6 arc or one way to look at it can be seen here.

      https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/4pndkb/everything_jons_story_in_battle_of_the_bastards/

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    112. I’m actually not worried about Jon’s arc if he joins with the other major protagonists. If we were merely dealing with the matter of overthrowing the Lannisters, then yeah, I’d expect him to fall in line behind Tryion and Dany. But Jon has his own agenda, and I can’t see him leaving Winterfell without the full intention of pushing it, even if it means making a few compromises (and no, I don’t mean kneeling…it’s not a coincidence that R+L=J was revealed to the audience before Jon decided to head south, and it’ll come into play eventually regardless of what Jon chooses to do before he’s made aware of it).

      To be honest, the worst case scenario for me would have been Jon spinning his wheels in Winterfell all season with SansaFinger trying to undermine his every decision. I think his story last year suffered mainly from the fact that he and his choices were being tweaked to accommodate Sansa’s ongoing clumsy migration from her Vale storyline to Winterfell. Now that he’s extricating himself from that, he may finally be back on track. He’s already exercising more will and self-determination in choosing to head south than we’ve seen since his resurrection. Remember also that the last time Jon interacted with the majority of the other major characters was early season 1, and every single one of those scenes was significant for his character in some way. I know they were mostly drawing from book material, but I thought his scenes with Tyrion, Jaime, Ned, and Catelyn were great and in no way diminished him. If D&D are back to following Jon’s book arc, I honestly think the dynamics will be much closer to what GRRM intends for TWoW and ADoS than the weirdness we got last season.

      All in all, I think this is awesome news, and I can’t wait to see what Kit’s filming in Spain.

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    113. Geralt of Rivia,

      Bravo, man. Bravo. What this man said. Listen to him.

      elybe: To be honest, the worst case scenario for me would have been Jon spinning his wheels in Winterfell all season with SansaFinger trying to undermine his every decision.

      That is precisely what I expected, honestly. I’m happy that’s not the case, or else season seven would have been a Jon-light season.

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    114. BlueRoseofWinterfell,

      If Torrhen Stark thought this way, Starks would’ve been dead. He was one of the smarter ones to see that Aegon with his three dragons are no match for them. In this case Jon sees that Dany represents their only chance at survival or at least chance. Sure, they might’ve viewed Torrhen as a weak ruler but he brought prosperity and rise under his rule. He put logic above pride. Those houses who opposed were dealt with. That’s why some of other Houses rised to the occasion. Tyrells, Baratheons if Iam not mistaken.

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    115. Gravemaster,

      Oh my goodness, you are AMAZING! I love you!!! (And to the person who originally took and uploaded that video… you too!!!)

      I love so much that Gendry is involved in the main plot with Davos and Tyrion(!!) This is like GOT heaven for me. My four favorite characters are Arya, Tyrion, Davos and Gendry. So I’m like swirling in Nirvana right now.

      And the fact that Gendry is using a WAR HAMMER!! No way that the whole ‘son of Robert Baratheon’ is not coming up now. Tyrion knows all about that, he’ll be on the Gendry is Robert’s son train after this, no question.

      SO EXCITED!!!!!

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    116. Firannion,

      Those stone statues are real and permanent to the location. It’s been suggested that they will be CGI’d into the appropriate animal for whichever location it ends up representing.

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    117. Danny,

      I agree but my point was same cannot be said for the respective female characters..iam some one who views both jon and dany as same..

      When you keep seeing jon won’t mind his pride and sacrifice for his people .people forget on the other side it is dany who will be demanding him to bend the knee..only few people like jenny geralt and ghost of winter fell and to my surprise falyed potatoes ( we finally agree on something ) have seen this.

      I guess the conversation must be happening like this ..

      Jon : there is an army of undead coming for each and everyone we need your help
      Dany : kneel to me
      Jon : do you listen what ian saying
      Dany: I heard but you kneel to me first if you want my help ..
      Jon : thinks whatever and bends the knee ..

      Tyrion and varys maybe we chose the wrong lady …there kneels the guy who must be king of westeros..

      And iam sure people will say jon got the worst end of it..

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    118. dragonbringer,

      Don’t be surprised. I’m critical of Dany’s storyline because it’s predictable and that takes out a lot of excitement, but I don’t hate her. I hate Stannis, for example. Not her. I wouldn’t be here supporting Jonerys if I hated her lol.

      And yeah those spoilers would make both characters look bad.

      Add to that the rumor that Jon and Dany are seeking help from Cersei. Why is that even needed? Can’t Dany just scam her out of her army? Why are they working with her? Something is missing.

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    119. Flayed Potatoes,

      Regardless of the veracity of those leaks, which we really shouldn’t discuss here:

      To be fair, the only chance Westeros has against the White Walkers is to fight united as a single front. If they’re at war with each other, it’s gonna be a problem. Daenerys could just destroy Cersei, of course. Not sure why she wouldn’t. We’ll see.

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    120. Luka Nieto,

      Good point. I’m wondering if something happens to Dany’s army or her allies which makes them decide to recruit Cersei. We don’t know how well the Dothraki can fight in winter against WW.

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    121. Flayed Potatoes,

      I understand where you coming from..

      That thing with cersei is the one that doesn’t make any sense at all …if anything it should be like what happened with Ramsey last season ..enemies of jon and sansa removed and north regained and united..
      Similarly dany and tyrion remove cersei and regain south and unite..

      Regarding dothraki GRRm made them specialist with bows and arrows and given dany such a number for a reason imo …and I don’t think them dying in sea or as a waste will not be the reason ..

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    122. Jenny:

      So what do they do with Jon?Put him in a bubble?At this point he can only meet with other protagonists.The time for solo storylines has passed.It’s the climax they have to meet.I know some people think that since Tyrion has met Dany he has become secondary but that’s not true at all in my eyes.Just compare the screentime.They will balance it out.

      Exactly. Before these rush of maybe/spoilers and pictures came out, there was much worry that Jon would be stuck in the North, stuck in games with Sansa and Littlefinger. Now everything is pointing to this not happening. A whole world of possibility for adventure and Jon showing his leadership skills, his strength, his intelligence, his continued sense of seeing the BIGGER PICTURE and his ability to sell that truth is being hopefully revealed.

      I can’t see how that’s NOT a good thing. And since Jon and Dany (along with Cersei and Tyrion) are the closest things to “leads” that this show has, having Jon interact with Dany and Tyrion and combining his story with theirs… yeah, that’s gonna up his GOT focus. He’s going to have story in the North and the South, and be bringing most of all the major players together. That’s pretty heavy.

      Geralt of Rivia:

      I understand why Jon can travel south because he knows the North on their own is fucked. They don’t have men, supply or three dragons, dragonlass. As Davos said “sitting in the frozen castle at the edge of the world” is not the best thing to do. Cersei won’t be someone to reason with, so this new person with three dragons who happens to have Tyrion as advisor might be.

      Right, and as I mentioned above… Jon has already shown that he knows HOW to reason with people and get them to see the bigger picture: Mance, Stannis, enough of the Night’s Watch that they did vote him Lord Commander and it was only a small number who turned against him in the end, and the remaining Freefolk.

      BlueRoseofWinterfell:

      I personally wouldn’t mind, if Jon will bend the knee or be a bit pushed aside. After all he’s most likely to self sacrifice anything, in order to prevent white walkers from winning, and he couldn’t care less about titles as far show goes. Bending the knee literally of figuratively speaking like with Yara is not a bad thing, it’s the logical one. He sees the bigger picture and if it helps. It doesn’t make him idiot or lesser character.
      100% agreed.

      Jay Targ:

      Was she not strong prior to having dragons? I seem to remember her arc in S1 to be all about her gaining strength from within and stepping out of Viserys’ shadow.It was about her gaining independence and embracing the dragon within her. When her dragons were just born she had to be strong for her people and guide them through the Red Waste.

      Sure the dragons give her advantages like being able to conquer and amass armies, but that all comes from her own strength; the dragons will not respond to her if she’s weak.When she chained up two of her dragons, she was also symbolically chaining herself up as well.I wish the show would have adapted Daznak’s Pit exactly as it was in the books because it truly illustrates her strength and courage.

      Put simply, the girl has mettle.She has dragons because she’s strong not the other way around.

      I couldn’t agree more. I mentioned above that I just rewatched all six seasons and to say that Dany’s strength lies only in her dragons is severely underestimating her growth as a character. She has outsmarted, outwitted, outlasted, outmanipulated just about everyone around her and everyone who tried to bring her down. Yes, she had the advice of Jorah, Sir Barristan, Daario, Tyrion, Missandei and Grey Worm, but as she told Daario in “The Winds of Winter,” nobody tells her what to do. She makes her own decisions.

      Pigeon:

      Fantastic, thank you so much! That hammer though!!!

      See guys? Gendry totally not important this season. LOL.

      With all of his backstory, how anyone thought he wasn’t going to have some importance… I just don’t know!

      Geralt of Rivia:

      Jon had ambition before Hardhome and when he was killed. After that he was confused and sort of giving up. He just wanted to ride south until Sansa came. Now is Jon more ready to do what needs to be done but don’t think ambition will stand in his way. He values life now more than ever. He saw what is out there and what is after death nothing. Like when he crawled out of that pile of bodies, he choose to live per Kit’s words. I imagine he’ll sacrifice anything pride, ambition even his life to defeat white walkers.

      I agree absolutely. The Jon we saw before he died and after he died was a different man. It wasn’t because of “bad writing,” or D&D emasculating him, or because of their favoring of Sansa (sigh) because they do love Jon too. It was because Jon DIED, and not just died, he was killed by his own “brothers.”

      Pigeon:
      JenniferH,

      It’s frustrating, but Sansa is D&D’s golden child so that may have something to do with it.

      Of that I have no doubt.

      nightcrawler:

      So elaborate on his supposed character development. He’s like he was in season 1. Unless you mean character development = devolution, becoming more reluctant, submissive, undecisive, morose.

      He “[became] more reluctant, submissive, undecisive, morose.] because, as I just wrote above, he DIED. He was dead. Really and truly dead and he faced NOTHING. That is going to seriously effect a person. If it didn’t and Jon was just the same, that would be bad writing. That would be character stagnation. Right now, he may be living, but he hasn’t quite been brought back to life yet. It will happen though; I’ve no doubt that season 07 is part of that journey.

      As for him being the same character season s1, just rewatched all 6 seasons, and no, that’s just not the case. He was a callow, spoiled, selfish, boy who saw things only as they pertained to him. As the series progressed he became kinder, he became more wise, he became selfless. Jon began to see the world as so much bigger, so much more important than not only him, but his family, his “brothers.” He became not just the leader to this friends, but to the entire Night’s Watch, and then to the Freefolk, and then to the entire North. And he did that by changing and growing and becoming what his “father” was… a good man.

      In the first season, Jon thought of and fought for himself.

      In the second season, he thought of and fought for himself, his family and his friends.

      In the third season, he thought of and fought for himself and the honor of the Night Watch (and his own).

      In the fourth season, he thought of and fought for himself, for the Night Watch and for his brothers of the Night Watch.

      In the fifth season, he thought of and fought for himself, for the Night’s Watch, his brothers and the Freefolk.

      In the sixth season, Jon thought of and fought for the Night’s Watch, for the Freefolk, for his sister, for his brother, for Winterfell, for the North, and is preparing to fight for all of mankind.

      Yes, he most definitely has experienced character development. Quite a lot.

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    123. dragonbringer,

      The way I see it, Dany has a different role to fulfill. She may join Jon in sacrificing herself at the end but her role as written in the source material and tv series so far is that of a conqueror. A conqueror of regions, a conqueror of people and more personally, a conqueror of her own demons. Dany is entitled. Denying this is like denying Stannis was entitled. But you could also argue that both had claims that couldn’t be so easily dismiss and both are products of their upbringing. Dany has good intentions and she opts for championing those she sees as fragile, more often than not her heart is in the right place. But she’s also always believed she’s royalty, she believes she’s entitled to the highest seat and those who oppose her must be placated, sometimes with Fire and Blood. For Dany to succeed the way she wants to succeed, she must also conquer her fear of showing weakness/vulnerability because that often diminishes her humanity (“If I look back, I am lost.”) Way too often Dany finds herself fighting inner battles between her “inner dragon” and her “conscious”, too often for my taste her instinct is to go dragon. But dragon in the long run will mostly earn her fear and what Dany wants, what will truly make her happy is to have respect and love. So Dany the conqueror, will need to eventually conquer her own fiery instincts.

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    124. singedbylife,

      Oh man can you picture if she was carrying the faces in her pocket…what if one fell out? Anyone who saw it would be like OMG WTF was that? Umm…nothing….aw seven hells would you like to go for a walk?? Hand on the hilt of needle lol!!!!

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    125. dragonbringer,

      Maybe the showrunners want to keep Lena on the show longer or they want the final battle for the throne to come after they defeat the WW. Otherwise, I can’t explain it.

      Yes, they could use dragonglass for the arrows. and attack from afar. But what about the weather and the deep snow? That would be an issue for their horses, wouldn’t it?

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    126. JenniferH,

      Please don’t. Spoilers are spoilers and it’s not fair to read them and then post theorising about something you’ve read as a leak, and suggest it’s an idea you’ve had. ?

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    127. Flayed Potatoes,

      That’s the one thing iam thinking too …with making her pregnant they seem to throw the prophecy out of window again..

      I believe they will change into costumes suitable for weather..they have stories of winter and how that will mark the end of the world …ans about promised prince uniting them to take them end of the world ..
      So they has More part to play ..

      Danny,

      While I agree with most points I disagree with entitlement..

      First of all every character in the book is entitled ..even jon snow
      So why should dany who is an exiled princes be any different..
      But what seperated dany from other characters is that she views it is her duty and the power is given to protect ans serve the people ..

      She is conqueror yes but she also wins hearts unites various cultures and peoples and bring them as a one ..

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    128. dragonbringer,

      The prophecy said she’ll have three kids, which makes me think Cersei’s not carrying this pregnancy to term or there’s a stillbirth. I think this subplot is unnecessary though.

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    129. dragonbringer,

      You do realize that Stannis’ fans always defended Stannis’s actions using the same words, right? Exactly the same words. Duty and for the people. Not saying that either camp is right or wrong, just that both characters have or gave the same ‘reasoning’ behind many of their actions.

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    130. Halfman:
      JenniferH,

      I did NOT read any spoilers outside of ones on THIS site, and even those (unless they pertained to Arya and/or Gendry) I only skimmed because I don’t want to be too spoiled. I certainly didn’t read any of the so-called leaks, and any reference to them, I skimmed as well. Everything I wrote in my comment was based purely on the rousing discussion here of Jon and Dany most likely meeting up together and what will possibly happen. And I have expected Jon and Dany to meet up together since I read the first book many years ago.

      So kindly take your accusation and deposit it elsewhere.

      ETA: And, by the way, you have now just spoiled me (possibly) way more than I wanted to be with your accusation towards me. Thanks for that. Awesome!

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    131. Halfman:
      JenniferH,

      If you say so.

      Read everything I’ve written over the last few days. I’ve clearly mentioned not wanting to know too many spoilers. I also haven’t commented on the “leaks” at all. Just own up to the fact that you accused someone innocent of doing something they didn’t.

      (Geez, way to help make my week worse. I have a broken foot, lost my job, couldn’t go to my doctor’s appointment, and trying to lose myself in fun GOT news, person on internet accuses me of being a douche and spoils me in the process. Joy.)

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    132. Danny,

      Hi Danny! The other Dany has also been called the savior. Now I have been thinking about this a lot and I honestly believe that the very purpose of the Valyrians being given the gift of dragons in the first place was because the Gods deemed the shepherds in the mountains as the right people to save the world. They lived simply and what I would imagine just off the land for the most part. They were given the gift of the dragons to use to bring balance to the world…only they didn’t get the message.

      They should have used the dragons to liberate the people and resore balance. Instead they destroyed Ghis and turned around and do the same damn thing they just destroyed but to astronomical levels!

      Daenys gets her dreams, pops listens and set up shop on Dragonstone with a few friends. Not 100 years later that place blows and takes everyone and every dragon with it. The region explodes scrambling to seize power because men learn nothing. Aegon helps for a minute and says eh, I think I will go over here and see what’s going on and goes with his sisters and their dragons to take Westeros by force. Doing so, freeing the people from Harren the Black. Hey there is one positive thing done with dragons…or half positive anyway. Too bad they too corrupted the purpose of the dragons and used them to fight each other! Epic fail!! Dragons die out and are not to be restored until the one who is the savior comes. Now again we start with 3. I think if the WW die out for good the dragons will probably go too. Dany managed to do good so far with how many she has liberated. That’s my thought ?

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    133. daft_evader:
      As much as I would like to see Edmure return,I’m not sure a driver waiting for Tobias Menzies at London City is particularly good evidence of anything.

      As well as arrivals from Belfast, there were several arrivals from Edinburgh and Glasgow yesterday at similar times to the Belfast arrivals (not to mention many other flights) and Menzies is apparently currently involved in the shooting of Outlander series 3…

      Yesterday afternoon Tobias Menzies for sure was in Scotland doing interviews to promote season 3 of Outlander. It is confirmed by several tweets from journos visiting set. So the only way for this to work is if he arrived from Belfast very early morning, got a cab, run to another airport to catch a flight to Edinburgh/Glasgow (it seems they were interviewed in Edinburgh, but then studio is in Glasgow, so I’m not sure) and be there, on set, not later than 2-3 pm the same day (that’s when he was interviewed according to tweets). Seems crazy, but possible. But makes me doubt if it was really him on that airport. Do we know what hour it was? Could he have time to go to Scotland the same day? If not then sorry, but wasn’t him.

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    134. JenniferH,

      Ok Hun, I apologise. I’m sorry you’ve had a tough time and I hope your foot gets better soon xx

      I haven’t spoiled you as I thought you were talking about one thing when you’re actually talking about another. I have no idea how to check out your posts but hey… it’s fine. I’m happy to take your word for it. Good luck on the job front.

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    135. Danny,

      OK can you name one character that is not entitled in the series..

      And can you point me where she thinks that because she is the heir she is above everyone and thinks everything is entitled to her..

      The scene with spice merchant or khal last season never happened in the show..she doesn’t go repeating her titles to everyone like she doe in the show..

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    136. A looong time ago, I suggested that Arya or Roslyn might release Edmure. A couple people – who shall not be named – got all up in my face about how we’d seen the last of Edmure.

      If this report is to be believed, we may see Edmure again. Where y’all at now?

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    137. Flayed Potatoes:
      dragonbringer,

      Don’t be surprised. I’m critical of Dany’s storyline because it’s predictable and that takes out a lot of excitement, but I don’t hate her. I hate Stannis, for example. Not her. I wouldn’t be here supporting Jonerys if I hated her lol.

      And yeah those spoilers would make both characters look bad.

      IF that rumor is true, she’d probably be doing it because of some dimwit advice she got…from you-know-who. Tyrion believes he can talk anyone out of, or into anything. When Varys told him explicitly that his sister tried to have him killed, he asked for proof. Then, like a fool, he went and asked Cersai himself! Did he expect her to say ‘yes’?
      I worry about Tyrion’s fragility and need for his family’s acceptance….even after they tried to kill him! He could be feeling kinda guilty too that he’s the one who sent Myrcella to Dorne, and her death, against Cersai’s objection.

      Add to all of that, Dany’s constantly trying to escape her father’s infamy. Whenever she wants to act decisively, Tyrion brings up the mad king.

      If Dany says she’s going to roast Cersai…Tyrion will be talking about Aerys.

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    138. Flayed Potatoes: they could use dragonglass for the arrows. and attack from afar. But what about the weather and the deep snow? That would be an issue for their horses, wouldn’t it?

      I don’t think they’ll go north. I think the walkers are going south.

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    139. Danny,

      . Dany is entitled. Denying this is like denying Stannis was entitled. But you could also argue that both had claims that couldn’t be so easily dismiss and both are products of their upbringing. Dany has good intentions and she opts for championing those she sees as fragile, more often than not her heart is in the right place. But she’s also always believed she’s royalty, she believes she’s entitled to the highest seat…

      Targaryen is one of the spokes on the wheel that Dany intends to “break”. That doesn’t seem entitled to me. Also, she arranged for the people of Mereen to choose their own leaders.

      Dany wasn’t brought up with her parent’s influence, only Viserys’ influence, and he WAS entitled! Dany is very much a self-made woman who carries some remnant of her brother’s vision. He’s the one who filled her imagination with retaking the iron throne. In the early days, when she talked it sounded just like Viserys! But, as time goes on, Dany discovers her own mission, that is, to be a liberator, and breaker of chains…bla bla bla.

      Dany is releasing Viserys’ vision as she finds her own.

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    140. Flayed Potatoes,

      Yeah I don’t see the Dothraki horses doing so hot with winter at all. I would think the northern horses would fare way better being used to the snow. The winter will get pretty far south in a westeros and it will get much worse before it gets better. Oooeee all those Southerners are in for such a shock!! Well I guess several really considering they are about to see dragons in the flesh!

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    141. JenniferH,

      Awe…JenniferH! I have totally had those types of weeks…months even! Like a damn rain cloud is just following you around. ☔️ Here’s an umbrella and some sunshine ☀️ ? this site really does entertain! You can get lost in it for hours. Like I just spent hours reading over 200 emails and had to flag stuff to remember what to reply to it exploded earlier lol!

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    142. JenniferH,

      I wish you rapid healing and the best of luck in your search for a new job. Your comments about Arya (and Gendry!) were spot on, and I hope that you will continue to “lose yourself” in fun GoT news and posting on WotW.

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    143. Flayed Potatoes,

      I bet you noticed the stormy seas at Hardhome, right? When Jon arrived, the seas were calm. When the Walkers came down the hillside, the ships anchored way out in the bay were whipping around in massive waves…and there was sleet. And how many times have they shown us water freezing instantly whenever the Walkers are coming…er, maybe only one, but I think you get the point.

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    144. I do wonder what role Edmure will play now. I assume he will be back in charge of Riverrun, will he also try to make a play for the Twins? Would be an interesting dynamic if someone like Roslin Frey takes over at the Twins and Edmure is left in charge of Riverrun, seeing as they both have a son together and might be enemies by now.. The remaining Freys could find themselves hedging their bets between the Starks and the Lannisters, like Walder did at the end of season 1.

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