Exclusive new Game of Thrones Season 6 spoiler report from Winterfell!

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We have an exclusive spoiler report for you all today- fresh Game of Thrones news courtesy of our set sources in Northern Ireland. The new information describes an exciting scene with several leading cast members, taking place at Winterfell.

Local sources also confirm that the Winterfell exterior set in Moneyglass has been busy this week, with production vehicles present.

The details we’ve received contain major spoilers, so proceed with caution!

According to WotW‘s sources, a scene was rehearsed and is being filmed this week involving Sansa, Jon Snow, Ramsay and Littlefinger.

The characters are interacting in Winterfell’s courtyard, and there’s a great deal of tension…

And then a giant turns up at the gates! The giant tries to force its way in and the people inside have to fight it off.

There’s no word yet on which giant it was- have more of them than Wun Wun come south in season 6? We also don’t know what episode this scene is for or who is directing it. I’d love to know that, to develop more of a timeline, but unfortunately that info hasn’t come to us yet.

What do you think, readers? Does giant news get you more pumped- or just more confused? Both?

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    1. Wtf?!? The spoiler sounds like bad fanfic.

      As a side, if Sansa ACTUALLY kills a LITERAL giant, then all of speculation about her prophesy was way off.

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    2. So…who brings Sansa there? Or is she there already? Is she with LF and he brings her to this talk? Does Jon take her there to meet with her husband? Is she with Ramsay and LF and Jon come to get her? Is the giant on Jon’s side? So many possible permutations…

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    3. *squeeeeeeeeeeee*

      I’m just SO. HAPPY. that two Stark kids are going to be in the same place at the same time I don’t care about anything else.

      I can’t even imagine under what pretense Sansa, Ramsey, Jon and LF would just be kicking’ it in Winterfell together. Would they just let Jon in? I this before or after SnowBowl? Maybe Jon Stark tries to go and meet with Ramsey and try to avoid more bloodshed but brings the Giant for backup?

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    4. I doubt Sansa is going back in there not knowing if she’s getting back out….wait…that seems illogical. That’s exactly whats going to happen.

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    5. I’m going guess this is an episode 10 thing. Its post-battle, Jon won and captured Ramsay, Sansa met up with Jon earlier in the season and is still with him, and Littlefinger showed up and didn’t attack the Northerners.

      Because if its pre-battle, 1) I really don’t understand the arc of the North next season and 2) It doesn’t seem like there’s enough time for Jon to rez, deal with that, go to Winterfell, get out of Winterfell alive, and then fight a battle. Plus assemble his army at some point.

      Add bonus speculation, if this is episode 10 maybe the Giant is a White Walker thrall and this is the sign for everyone that the Wall has fallen.

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    6. So it’s gotta be either episode 9 or 10, after the battle, right? There’s not much context, unfortunately, but I don’t see how those characters would interact in any other episodes, unless there’s some sort of parley before the battle.

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    7. Sucks that Ramsey is still alive. Sucks that Sansa has to go and face him, though if someone has received word that Tyrion is still alive, then her marriage to him is invalidated and he doesn’t have s***.

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    8. Ramsay will be wanting his wife back, Littlefinger wanting his creepy Cat replacement back, and Jon wanting his sister back – battle ensues

      I wish Sansa didn’t have to actually be there though, too close for comfort

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    9. thorne garnet,

      Unless she makes it to Castle Black, meets post-resurrection/magical healing/whatever!Jon, and returns to Winterfell under his protection. Then it’s not so dire for her.

      I just want to know where this falls in the timeline. I’m still holding onto hope Ramsey doesn’t make it out of Snowbowl alive.

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    10. trarecar: Sucks that Sansa has to go and face him

      Are you serious? That’d be awesome. The only thing better than Jon killing Ramsay in battle would be Sansa ordering Jon to execute Ramsay after the battle.

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    11. OMG … but what happens????? NOOOOOOO … I don’t like this kind of spoilers, many possible outcomes and I’m getting worried about Sansa. I wish Sansa and Jon were discussing over who kills Ramsay and how. I hope GRRM doesn’t kill Sansa and Ramsay kills Littlefinger instead…

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    12. It’s episode 10 and Ramsay again is alive (because he is awesome) and then Jon, LF, Ramsay and Sansa have a talk!! Ramsay is team Stark after all !! Ok there is no logic on why LF , Jon and Ramsay are together before the battle….. or after it now that i think about it

      This sound like a bad scene…..

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    13. Luka Nieto: Are you serious? That’d be awesome. The only thing better than Jon killing Ramsay in battle would be Sansa ordering Jon to execute Ramsay after the battle.

      Yeah, after I posted that, I realized that it would be a great empowering moment for her, IF in fact she finally has the upper hand over him. With Jon there I hope she does.

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    14. Maggie,

      Frankly, it sounds like you just wrote a fanfic plot and then decided it was a bad scene.

      I can think of lots of reasons why characters would come together or get thrown together.

      In the end, though, it doesn’t make sense to hate something we’ve never seen and don’t have many details or any context about.

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    15. Maggie: This sound like a bad scene…..

      To say that’s jumping the gun is an understatement. There’s literally no context to the scene but the characters involved, the setting and that a giant causes some sort of trouble.

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    16. This is really interesting news. It is a bit disappointing that Littlefinger will also be present. Except if both Ramsay and Littlefinger is going down.

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    17. Been saying this for years… people keep trying so hard to deny this reality:

      Ramsay will not be killed off by one of the Starks or their allies. He will end up fighting on their side, heroically, and… if he falls, he will fall fighting off hordes of dead like the bravest of warriors. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT LORD OF THE RINGS.

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    18. Sue the Fury:
      Maggie,

      Frankly, it sounds like you just wrote a fanfic plot and then decided it was a bad scene.

      I can think of lots of reasons why characters would come together or get thrown together.

      In the end, though, it doesn’t make sense to hate something we’ve never seen and don’t have many details or any context about.

      I was joking about what episode it is, and what they do.. there is no possibility for me to know … and the speculation i made sound like a bad scene to me…

      I was really hoping Ramsay will be killed in episode 9… and i really don’t want Sansa to stay in the same place with her rapist for a number of episodes before the battle..
      That’s all

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    19. GeekFurious:
      Been saying this for years… people keep trying so hard to deny this reality:

      Ramsay will not be killed off by one of the Starks or their allies. He will end up fighting on their side, heroically, and… if he falls, he will fall fighting off hordes of dead like the bravest of warriors. BECAUSE THIS IS NOT LORD OF THE RINGS.

      No way that’s happening. Getting no comeuppance for raping Sansa and burning WF? not to mention all the other horrible shit. If they turn him into some sort of hero who Sansa forgives I’ll flip some tables.

      It ain’t happening.

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    20. Normally, I don’t find myself to be very negative but I’m not so sure I like how this is playing out. Obviously we do not know much as of yet, but it does sound kinda dumb outside of any plot context beyond the fact that we know a fight is going down. “Giant attacks Winterfell!”…not exactly the height of drama.

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    21. I just can’t figure it when this is going to happen. If it is

      post battle, would mean Jon victory, but why they didn’t execute Ramsay after all he has done and burning those two crosses? And, if it is postbattle, with a victory of Jon’s army, why a giant would enter? People fighting the giant would mean Boltons inside…I can only imagine a pre-battle scene, some kind of negotiation and the giant starts the big battle. Or is Ramsay turning cloaks and burning on those two crosses Roose and other ally as he sees himself surrounded?

      I don’t understand anything!

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    22. Oh…I think it sounds fabulous. We’ve got two Starks in the same place, interacting and not just any place, in WINTERFELL. If this is post-battle, Jon wins and they are they to accept Ramsay’s surrender, it will kick ass.

      And then, you know, because ultimately politics is unimportant when you’ve got the Others banging down your door, in the middle of everything, a giant actually begins BANGING DOWN YOUR DOOR.

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    23. Wtf lol. Im just speechless. First of all, why are they in winterfell. Is it a treaty before or after the battle. Did they get captured and wun wun rescues them. Or did someone warg into him?

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    24. Maggie: I was really hoping Ramsay will be killed in episode 9… and i really don’t want Sansa to stay in the same place with her rapist for a number of episodes before the battle..
      That’s all

      How do you know this isn’t after the battle?

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    25. Bearded Onion: No way that’s happening. Getting no comeuppance for raping Sansa and burning WF? not to mention all the other horrible shit. If they turn him into some sort of hero who Sansa forgives I’ll flip some tables.

      It ain’t happening.

      WHAT THE FUCK SHOW HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?! This is not a comeuppance show.

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    26. Also if the North starts rallying around Sansa and Jon the Boltons won’t see any need for a Stark child anymore since the North is already rebelling and would just kill them both and just go with a bolton child.

      This has to be post battle, maybe it’s Wun Wun letting off steam? So far it sounds terrible but it’s massively out of context so.

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    27. I think this scene is Episode 10, or the last minutes of episode 9. After the battle, Ramsay is cornered by the Vale and the north troops. Then, a mad, pissed off giant disrupts the meeting. So:

      a) The giant will be in Jon’s side and hopefully will kill Ramsay or Littlefinger in a properly gruesome way.

      b) The giant is a wight, in which case the White Walkers have started the invasion. It seems unlikely to me, but…

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    28. If this basically means that Sweetrobin smashing Sansa’s snowcastle Winterfell with his ‘giant’ doll, was actually foreshadowing for an actual real giant coming along and smashing Winterfell, then that’s going to annoy me so much.

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    29. aurane waters:
      Luka Nieto,

      this being after the battle makes very little sense

      Why would Sansa and Jon who likely have a huge rebel army at some point go to WF alone? They would be flayed alive to end the rebellion and Roose would just use Bolton children to secure his claim.

      Also where is Roose?

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    30. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      *squeeeeeeeeeeee*

      I’m just SO. HAPPY. that two Stark kids are going to be in the same place at the same time I don’t care about anything else.

      I can’t even imagine under what pretense Sansa, Ramsey, Jon and LF would just be kicking’ it in Winterfell together. Would they just let Jon in? I this before or after SnowBowl? Maybe Jon Stark tries to go and meet with Ramsey and try to avoid more bloodshed but brings the Giant for backup?

      I think the same…
      O.K, Sansa, Ramsay, JON, Giant and… Littlefinger!!???!!!
      I can’t…

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    31. RosanaZugey:
      Wtf?!? The spoiler sounds like bad fanfic.

      As a side, if Sansa ACTUALLY kills a LITERAL giant, then all of speculation about her prophesy was way off.

      It does.

      And if she kills Wun Wun, I kill her.

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    32. Luka Nieto: How do you know this isn’t after the battle?

      I don’t know… but wouldn’t a Giant be on Jon’s side?… why does a Giant have to enter like this if Sansa (Jon) won the Winterfell…..
      They could have Ramsay executed with nobody entering like this..
      Also why would Sansa smash this giant? Unless the Giant is against Sansa?

      I really have no idea 🙂

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    33. People who are wishing for bad vs good with good coming out are not realizing that this is GOT. I think the more plausible outcome is Jon reasoning with the boltons and trying to get their help against the WW. That could be why ramsey may end up killing roose and fat walda.

      it looks like at the end, they will be allies.

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    34. Schrödinger’s Cat:
      Notable absence of Roose? Is he dead?

      At this point, I’m all but convinced that Ramsay is going to kill Roose (and Walda) prior to the Battle of the Bastards and seize Winterfell for himself. Generally, I try not to read too much into the lack of filming news for a particular actor, as the absence of evidence does not equate to evidence of absence. However, the fact that there have been no confirmed sightings of Michael McElhatton this year is at least consistent with the idea that he either isn’t filming very much, or is filming primarily interior scenes – neither of which speak well for his potential as an active antagonist in the North’s central conflict. Furthermore, Ramsay’s unhappiness with Walda’s pregnancy was heavily foreshadowed last year. I’d love to be wrong, because I think McElhatton is fantastic and I’d like him to get as much screentime as possible before Roose inevitably meets his end. But it’s not looking good for the Leech Lord right now.

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    35. Luka Nieto: Are you serious? That’d be awesome. The only thing better than Jon killing Ramsay in battle would be Sansa ordering Jon to execute Ramsay after the battle.

      Yes, please…

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    36. GeekFurious,

      I would like that. It really would drive home the fact at the end all Westeros (and maybe even Essos) has to fight togather to defeat the WWs (if they even can). Ramsay is a monster, but he is also a skilled warrior and could be of great use.

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    37. Any Melisandre sightings walking the battlements of WF? Also, was it an actor playing a giant or could it be a giant ice spider? Looking forward to more info on this since this was only the rehearsal

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    38. Abyss:
      GeekFurious,

      I would like that. It really would drive home the fact at the end all Westeros (and maybe even Essos) has to fight togather to defeat the WWs (if they even can). Ramsay is a monster, but he is also a skilled warrior and could be of great use.

      Sansa would never forgive him and they have plenty of skilled warriors in Westeros. Ramsay is a madman who will do anything to kill Jon and Sansa. They would be massive morons to employ him after everything he’s done.

      Also the audience would go absolutely mad if D&D portray Ramsay as a good guy who works with the woman he raped and who’s home he burnt down. They would be crucified and it would be really shitty writing.

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    39. The only way the narrative would let Ramsay hold Jon and Sansa captive is if he’s about to be attacked by a giant or betrayed by Littlefinger, I imagine. (Otherwise, by Martin’s rules, they’re both dead and the story’s over.) Either they won or they are joining him to fight the North, or the White Walkers are forcing that by being literally at their door in giant form.

      I agree this definitely means the end for one of the four, most likely Ramsay, and if not him Sansa, and if not her Littlefinger. This would be a good time to signal Jon has lost something in his return from death by A) not showing brotherly love for Sansa and regarding her as a pawn or something incidental in his war, B) not showing hatred for Ramsay in spite of his horribleness, because the war effort is more important, C) not slowing down for Ramsay or Littlefinger’s bullshit and just executing one of them.

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    40. I am stumped. Can’t figure out when this will take place. Sansa again has to breath the same air as Ramsay.
      I was hoping he would get killed during Snowbowl. The absence of Roose could mean this is after the battle. Ughhh, we still know nothing.

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    41. This is how I see this playing out…

      Roose agrees to Jon’s terms given that he is out numbered and that the WWs are coming. Ramsey sees this and kills Roose along with Fat Walda. Jon comes to Winterfell thinking that he is meeting Roose but ends up meeting Ramsey. They fight their way out. Ramsey burns Roose’s and Walda’s bodies before battle, battle happens. and I do think that the WWs will show up. maybe not the entire army but a small band that would unite all the armies in the south. Just enough so people do think that they are real. How else is Jon gonna convince people? This would set us up for the next season.

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    42. If this is post-battle, then the only way Jon Snow would be inside Winterfell is if his forces won and captured Ramsay. Hopefully Jon Snow executes Ramsay in this scene.

      If this is pre-battle, then it’s probably some sort of parlay. Roose not being part of the parlay doesn’t make much sense unless he’s dead or unless he went back to the Dreadfort (maybe to deal with Euron)?

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    43. I would guess this is after the battle, and probably with Ramsay a prisoner or something, because I can’t imagine why Jon and Sansa (and Littlefinger, for that matter) would waltz into a castle he still controlled; it being before the battle is hard to picture for the same reason.

      Speaking of Littlefinger, here’s some news about him, a mere day after I remarked we’d had almost no news about him filming, though if this is after the battle it really doesn’t add much to our understanding of what he’s up to this season. I’ve come to the conclusion he’s going to be mostly absent this year, based on the seeming contours of the plot, and show up at the end to set the stage for the next season’s dynamics.

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    44. Why would a giant (Wun Wun?) be trying aggressively to get into Winterfell if Jon’s inside? Could it be that Jon’s being held captive by Ramsey and/or Littlefinger and that’s why a giant is trying to get in?? If Jon were in control of WF, why would a giant not be allowed in? And why would Jon even negotiate with Ramsay? Unless Sansa is once again Ramsay’s captive. Sigh. LOL, so many questions.

      As excited as I was at the prospect of a Stark reunion, I’m starting to get a bad feeling that things won’t go as positively for Jon and his allies during and after SnowBowl. I guess GRRM has conditioned me to always expect the worst.

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    45. I would love this, especially if the Giant is on Jons side.

      Maybe this is after (or before?) the Battle, where all the sides involved meet and greet. Ramsay threatens Jon, Jon responds with a “you really want to fight my army of giants…WUN WUN!”

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    46. I don’t think Wun-Wun trying to enter the gate is anything huge. I think they’re talking after Ramsey’s surrender and they turn around because Wun-Wun is just trying to get in to have Jon’s back and he can’t fit. Jon will be like “It’s cool Wun Wun.” Then they go back to talking.

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    47. Ramsay getting unexpectedly killed by a Giant is something I actually can get behind if that would happen. I do not want some torture fantasy of someone flaying him or something, this is not a series where Jon or Theon or someone can just kill him in battle and I think Roose can not kill Ramsay either since Ramsay probably will kill Roose. Littlefinger killing Ramsay for hurting is Cat-replacement would be fine by me as well.

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    48. If Sansa and Jon get captured while the North is rebelling for them, they would be steadily executed, painfully, to end the Starks once and for all. They haven’t been captured.

      Also, I hope it’s just Wun Wun letting off steam or some shit. Ugh, this really isn’t making any sense…

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    49. The giant part is the one that doesn’t seem to make sense, not knowing the context. Why would he be trying to break into Winterfell? Unless it is a siege type situation, and Ramsey escaped the battle and barred the gates?

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    50. If Sansa’s there with Jon, she must have met him after his rez, so she has to be under his protection. Are she and Jon captives after a battle in which Jon loses to Ramsay? The Giant could imply that: Giants are with the wildlings, and wildlings are with Jon. Is the giant trying a rescue?

      Littlefinger: Assuming a battle, which side did he support? Cersei gave him Winterfell if he can defeat the Boltons and take Sansa, but King’s Landing has little hold over the North. Realistically, Littlefinger can’t hope to hold the North, so has no motive to harm Sansa, as she’s his best hope for control. She knows that Bran is alive, but he doesn’t. So if he arrived with the Vale men to help Jon, you’d think odds would favor Jon’s side, especially with casting that implies a bunch of other northern lords will be involved, too.

      …or is this a zombie giant? Have the Walkers launched some kind of an attack against Winterfell, forcing Boltons, Littlefinger, Jon, etc., to fight together? That’d make some sort of sense, as it’s past time someone other than the crows figured out zombies are coming.

      ok no clue.

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    51. Pigeon: It does.

      And if she kills Wun Wun, I kill her.

      *GASP* NOT MY GIRL!!!!! You know how I feel about my Sansa. It’d be like knifing us BOTH in the heart.

      No but seriously….this spoiler is…um…wtf? I think I’d be WAY more in to it if there wasn’t a giant in the scene. As is, I keep having images of Wreck it Ralph hanging off the walls of Winterfell, just pounding shit. ?

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    52. royz,

      No, that just indicates that Littlefinger is going to take his army north. We have quite a lot of pictures and filming info from Snowbowl, and there are no Valemen in sight. That doesn’t preclude it, but I think it’s unlikely, especially since the Vale army should, on its own, be sufficient to crush any force the Boltons field. Them not being there (especially since they’re quite unlikely to be present at the book equivalent of this scene) is more dramatic.

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    53. Hmmm….Don’t know about this. Hope D&D aren’t just making shit up now for visual effect. Well, we will see how this goes. Fingers crossed

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    54. Bearded Onion,

      How is dying in a fight as a warrior (a fight that you have to fight to survive yourself) making you a good guy by default? Most of the NW are criminals, but they fight for a good course anway (or at least we think so at this point). Not because they are “good guys”, but because they have to. Same would go for Ramsay.
      And Sansa (or anybody for that matter) doesn’t have to forgive him and she sure as hell will not. Hell, should Ramsay survive to the end I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets killed by her orders regardless of whatever good he did.
      Showing that people have different sides isn’t “shitty writing”, it makes multilayered characters and that is a big part of aSoIaF/GOT.

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    55. If Jon, Sansa, and Littlefinger were inside about to execute Ramsay, why would a giant be trying to get in and be fighting with people? It seems more likely to me that Jon & Company are the ones being held captive, and the giant tries to get in as an attempt to rescue them.

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    56. BunBunStark: If Jon were in control of WF, why would a giant not be allowed in? And why would Jon even negotiate with Ramsay? Unless Sansa is once again Ramsay’s captive. Sigh. LOL, so many questions.
      As excited as I was at the prospect of a Stark reunion, I’m starting to get a bad feeling that things won’t go as positively for Jon his allies during and after SnowBowl. I guess GRRM has conditioned me to always expect the worst.

      That’s putting it mildly. I’m cringing at the thought of Sansa being in Winterfell with Ramsay still alive, even more wary of Littlefinger being there – the devil that set up the business transaction that made him obligated to “deliver” Sansa to the Boltons in the first place. Will he still be trying to make good on a business deal, or deny to Sansa’s face that such a thing was done? How will Jon deal with him?

      As far as a giant, if it is Wun Wun, maybe he heard that Jon was inside the walls of Winterfell and is just trying to find out if Jon is ok. They have to calm him down. I can’t think of any other giants. Didn’t Mance say there were few to none left after Mag the Mighty went down? Are there White Walker giants that show-only people don’t know about?

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    57. Abyss:
      Bearded Onion,

      How is dying in a fight as a warrior (a fight that you have to fight to survive yourself) making you a good guy by default? Most of the NW are criminals, but they fight for a good course anway (or at least we think so at this point). Not because they are “good guys”, but because they have to. Same would go for Ramsay.
      And Sansa (or anybody for that matter) doesn’t have to forgive him and she sure as hell will not. Hell, should Ramsay survive to the end I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets killed by her orders regardless of whatever good he did.
      Showing that people have different sides isn’t “shitty writing”, it makes multilayered characters and that is a big part of aSoIF/GOT.

      Yeah okay if he fights for his own survival and no one else’s then gets killed by Sansa & Jon it’ll be 100% fine. If he sides with them, fights for them and gets forgiveness it won’t be.

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    58. Bearded Onion,

      Suspecting that Ramsay is captured after the battle. They take Ramsay as prisoner to Winterfell. They haven’t executed him yet because they want him alive to tell them where Roose is. (Remember Roose is the Bolton who killed Robb, and Jon & Sansa know this.)

      Except the Roose is loose? But where to. (Back to Dreadfort?)

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    59. The question is which one/ones of these characters is the captive of the others. I can imagine – horribly – Ramsey somehow capturing Sansa and Jon and/or LF parleying for her.
      OR, worse still, Jon and Sansa as captives, and the giant and wildlings as part of a rescue attempt while Littlefinger is there enjoying the chaos…..

      I can only imagine the giants aligned with Jon and wildlings…. unless it is a wight. And by then, the castle really would look as if it were made of snow.

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    60. don’t forget that Melisandre saw in her visions that she walks in winterfell and saw the banners of Boltons have been burningو and we’ll certainly watch such a moment in season 6

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    61. In what way could Sansa slay a giant, as prophecy foretold?

      A) crossbow
      B) Littlefinger orders his soldiers to protect/avenge her
      C) Jon does the same
      D) slamming a drawbridge
      E) poison
      F) cutting remarks

      Giant + Winterfell does seem too close for this to be anything but a reenactment of that.

      Maybe instead this is where Littlefinger exits the story.

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    62. Derek,

      Jon would be killed instantly if ever caught, why would Ramsay ever allow him to live?

      Someone said above, I think it could just be Wun Wun trying to have Jons back. And people freaking out about a giant since they had never seen one.

      Or, it could be Ramsay surrendering, and Jon trying to explain to Sansa and LF that he needs the Boltons to fight the Walkers. A united North is a must and eliminating the last Bolton would throw their House into chaos. Walkers they say? No one believes in the White Walkers.

      Oh, you don’t believe me? How about I show you a giant.

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    63. Ok…so…what if Ramsay captures Sansa at the battle. Uses her as a “hostage” to escape. Then Jon goes there to get her back. Then Wun Wun says “fuck all”, and breaks down the gates to save Jon (and by extension, Sansa)?

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    64. I’m so bloody excited!!

      A giant breaking the gates of WF is something I long speculated/hoped.

      Can’t wait to see Jon and Sansa. Also Ramsey, I absolutly love the way Iwan portraise(100% i wrote this wrong, so please correct me 🙂 ) him!

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    65. Ragnar:
      Maggie,

      Could you at least wait before passing judgement like an obnoxious snobby book purist ?

      I was trying to be funny and then i said the scene i imagined wasn’t good.
      and yes i can wait. 🙂

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    66. Sansa’s giant-slaying prophecy coming true? I’m not entirely sure how it can happen but surely it must be through something she sets into motion as I can’t see her bringing one down first-hand.
      I guess the big question is whether the giant is alive or dead already?

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    67. Regarding the giant, maybe, if this is in episode 10, the giant is panicking because he somehow sensed the collapse of the Wall, which many speculate will happen in that episode (I’m agnostic on it, but it’s certainly possible)? Granted, there’s nothing thus far suggesting that giants can do that.

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    68. Mark: I think it could just be Wun Wun trying to have Jons back. And people freaking out about a giant since they had never seen one.

      After Wun Wun breaks into WF and stands next to Jon, can you imagine the reactions of everyone else? *RESPECT*

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    69. Oh I meant to add

      I will riot if Wun Wun dies. Well ok maybe not riot… More like cry my eyes out. lol It would be kinda awesome if he storms in, scoops up Sansa for an epic rescue, then they live happily ever after together in the woods with Nymeria’s pack. Yes… that’s definitely what’s going to happen. 😉

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    70. If the Wildlings are supposed to be Jon’s allies already, and the giant “tries to force its way in and the people inside have to fight it off” I can only think that the Boltons are still rulling in Winterfell when that happens. If it was Jon, they’d let the guant enter. I’d guess Jon most likely lost the battle and was captured with the others, and the Giant and Wildlings come to the rescue then. Maybe he doesn’t have full support at first, idk.

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    71. Also wondering where Roose is. Think I prefer him as the Big BAd over Ramsay as he’s a lot more calculating.
      Also, why do Bolton men dress like conquistadors?!

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    72. Mark:
      Derek,

      Jon would be killed instantly if ever caught, why would Ramsay ever allow him to live?

      Someone said above, I think it could just be Wun Wun trying to have Jons back. And people freaking out about a giant since they had never seen one.

      Or, it could be Ramsay surrendering, and Jon trying to explain to Sansa and LF that he needs the Boltons to fight the Walkers. A united North is a must and eliminating the last Bolton would throw their House into chaos. Walkers they say? No one believes in the White Walkers.

      Oh, you don’t believe me? How about I show you a giant.

      Lol, he doesn’t need Ramsay who’s extremely unreliable and likely to backstab him at any given chance. They just need a Northern nobleman in charge of the Dreadfort and they have all of the Bolton’s assets. Plus Jon will be pissed off at everyone who’s ever wronged him or his family, that includes Ramsay.

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    73. My best guess:
      This is post battle discussion, they are deciding who gets what, who goes where, and what to do with Ramsay. I am guessing the giant has turned wight. Sansa defeats him by lighting him on fire

      Option 2:
      Boltons win the battle, Ramsay has Jon, Sansa and LF captured and brought to Winterfell. Giants attack to free them. In the chaos Sansa kills LF somehow?

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    74. Episode 10, after the battle Ramsey runs back to WF.
      LF is already there, he betrays Ramsey, like he always planned and opens the gates too Jon/Sansa.

      An argument ensues between LF and Sansa, won’t speculate the subject. LF is angered most likely that Sansa will no longer listen too him, and try to get rid of Jon and possibly Rickon with the Vale troops. He tries to attack the Wildlings outside and kill Jon inside WF, so he can claim the North, something Jon would never allow.

      Wun Wun tries too enter the castle too save Jon/Sansa.

      My guess, most likely wrong. But it was fun to speculate.

      Also, I fully belive Roose is dead at this point or perhaps, but I doubt it, dies in the battle in EP9.

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    75. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Roose is almost certainly going to be killed by Ramsay this season, I expect. He’s been the secondary villain in the show ever since the Bolton plots merged (basically the villainous equivalent of the angry police captain in a cowboy cop film), and the Walda pregnancy introduced last season doesn’t serve any purpose other than as a prompt for Ramsay to aggressively claim his inheritance (unless it was solely to give Sansa something to insult him about).

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    76. Bearded Onion,

      I completely agree. Jon may want all hands on deck to fight the white walkers, but no way is he letting Ramsay have even a shred of freedom, and that’s if he’s even allowed to live. But that’s presuming Jon beats Ramsay on the battlefield and this meeting is taking place afterward.

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    77. Thronetender,

      The Ghost of High Heart:

      “I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs. And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow.”

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    78. …lol thought of another possibility: Could it be that Sansa and Theon were captured immediately after their escape? If that happens, and if Jon and others then attack Winterfell, Sansa would be an excellent hostage.

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    79. mau,

      You know what would be even better, if Brienne returns Oathkeeper to the Starks and Jon uses that sword to carry on the sentence. Ice must return to their rightful owners even if in pieces.

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    80. Essentially the show took the good of Stannis and gave it to Jon and took the bad of Jon and gave it to Stannis. It wouldn’t do for Shireen to burn to resurrect the groundlings’ fave, while Stannis runs around liberating the North.

      Hopefully I will live long enough to see the actual books translated into a visual medium.

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    81. Any chance that Ramsay is actually the “savage giant.” He’s certainly savage, and Sansa slaying him makes more sense to me than slaying LF. Maybe this is a show deviation deviation from the books, since they didn’t go into LF’s ancetral sigil in the show, and they went to great lengths to build up the bad blood between Sansa and Ramsay (which wasn’t in the book).

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    82. Lollyspop,

      The giants are real actors, not CG creatures. But you’re right inasmuch as the giants are not there in the scene; they are shot in a green-screen room and later added into the scene, in order to appear even larger than they are. However, it’s the kind of thing you wouldn’t be able to miss. Just because the creature isn’t in the scene doesn’t mean that its inclusion doesn’t involve a hell of a lot of preparation and discussion. Probably more than if they were actually there!

      Stannis the Mannis: It wouldn’t do for Shireen to burn to resurrect the groundlings’ fave

      Hi, fellow time traveler. Please don’t spoil TWOW for us! Unless, of course, you’re just making shit up and assuming your pet theories about the future of the book series are correct despite what the show adapting that future material is actually showing us. Don’t worry, I’m sure you know better than D&D, who know the rest of the story.

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    83. I’m as confused as everyone else. Some have already mentioned that the giant might not be attacking, could be trying to rescue someone inside WF or perhaps is bringing an urgent message – if there was something he had to tell Jon say, like “White Walkers here now RUN LIKE FUUUUUUUUUK!” he’s not gonna just knock politely I’d imagine.

      Also, could LF be pretending to hand over Jon and Sansa to Ramsay? Say the good guys are loosing, Vale army sweeps in pretending to be on Ramsay’s side, fighting comes to an end, R wants to execute J and have his bride back so they retreat to WF to sort out the details and wham! – good guys were just pretending Bolton, you gonna die.

      Or….nah, there’s too many possibilities, brain is melting 🙁

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    84. Thronetender,

      What Luka Nieto said. People often take it as a hint she might kill Littlefinger, as his ancestors’ sigil was a giant.

      Sansarya,

      Fire is a good idea, and equalizer for her to kill an actual undead giant. They really need to latch onto that as a strategy, which would lead them to dragons.

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    85. Sean C.,

      Possibly, but again I think he is a much more formidable antagonist than Ramsay as he’s inteligent and cold-blooded. Ramsay is more prone to violent tantrums which is a part of his character that the show has unfortunately not really shown…which is a shame as his brattishness is one of the characteristics that makes him even more vile. If Roose dies then the north is pretty much lost as Ramsay doesn’t have enough about him to hold things together.
      But who knows. We don’t know where Rickon, the Wildings and the other Northern Lords are so perhaps Roose is off fighting them somewhere.

      Also wondering why everyone thinks Sansa is going to kill someone?! She can become a more competent character without ending lives!

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    86. Mark: Or, it could be Ramsay surrendering, and Jon trying to explain to Sansa and LF that he needs the Boltons to fight the Walkers. A united North is a must and eliminating the last Bolton would throw their House into chaos. Walkers they say? No one believes in the White Walkers.

      You know, after reading all the theories so far, this makes the most sense. It is so “Jon” to propose such a thing, to be so incredibly sensible, albeit unpopular, when all others are lusting for blood and revenge. He would be right in his assessment, too. They will need every man and they will need to fight together. Accck, they will even have to semi-trust Ramsay, as much as it pains me to even type such a thing.

      But that’s Jon. Such ideas are what got him derided and “killed.” Apparently his mind and spirit will be intact after he is rezzed. That’s a good thought.

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    87. We need more than this. The scene itself has a lot of possibilits.

      Who are mad with a scene without context has serious issues.

      But we need more than this to try to “make the scene”.

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    88. Tyrion Pimpslap: Stannis died

      TWoW will overlap ADwD…but yeah, I believe Theon II will describe how the Bolton forces ransack Stannis’ fatigued, disjointed men, killing Stannis while Asha/Theon escape.

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    89. Huh. Maybe it goes a little something like this:

      Jon, Sansa, Littlefinger (after battle is won) to Ramsay, after they bust in Winterfell: Get rekt! *Ramsay says something humorous and has his 20 good men with him* *Everyone else is talking possible negotiations, surrender, execution, ect

      Wildlings and Northern Army outside Winterfell: “Crap, they’re taking a little long out there… Wonder what’s going on?” Alternatively, they could be curb stomping whatever Boltons and opposing Northerners are left and decide to take the party inside. Wun Wun is like, screw the rules, I’m a giant and smashes down the door and asks what the foock they’re doing. Ramsay’s 20 good men piss themselves, come at the giant, and shit gets real in Winterfell for about 2 minutes.

      In the end, Ramsay is ultimately executed by whoever calls dibs and things go from there.

      Obviously, that’s not exactly how it would go down, but I imagine this is a really, really paraphrased version of it.

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    90. Well at least we probably know where Jon gets his Stark armour from. If this isn’t Episode 10…from the armoury of Winterfell.

      Any chance it’s a WunWun wight?

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    91. Hodors Bastard,

      Exactly, Stannis won’t be dead in the first chapters of TWOW, because they happen before the last chapters of ADWD.

      Like Jaime’s chapters in ASOS took place before the battle of blackwater bay was finished.

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    92. Is there any confirmation it’s a literal giant that’s supposed to turn up at WF, or could UnGregor also be a candidate here?

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    93. Luka Nieto:
      Thronetender,

      The Ghost of High Heart:

      Thanks for the answering. I’m assuming it’s Sansa saying this, or dreaming this? Maybe she’s dreaming of Dany – on a dragon? If that sounds way silly, sorry, Now I will have to go look up Ghost of High Heart. * muttering – how the hell does that old man dream up all this shit?…*

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    94. MasterTK,

      The Iron Islands. We already knew that.

      TheTouchOfFrost,

      Roose may indeed be the more dangerous, but he’s not the main villain, and Ramsay’s rise to the apex of his power really can’t be complete without disposing of dear old dad.

      Thronetender,

      That would never happen. Ramsay simply cannot be dealt with in that manner; even if you were inclined to overlook his past crimes toward the Starks, he has given more than ample proof that he will not honour deals and cannot even be counted on to act in his own self-interest.

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    95. Dire Moon Moon:
      FWIW, the Bolton soldiers are armed in the pic…not something I’d expect in WF if they’d lost Bastard Bowl.

      If you’re talking about the picture at the top of the post, that is from S5. Sue’s spoiler is about the rehearsal.

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    96. The pre-giant part sounds awesome. The giant is… weird.

      My guess: They are deciding who gets to kill Ramsay first. Jon wants to stay in Winterfell. The giant goes ‘nuh-nuh, your destiny is with us, in the North’, and breaks in to kidnap Jon. After they are gone, Sansa kills Ramsay. LF shrugs and goes in to pour himself some hot wine and plan out the new brothel.

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    97. Thronetender: go look up Ghost of High Heart. *

      Besides that wonderful reference, I always thought that SweetRobin’s destruction of Sansa’s snow castle (as others have referenced above) was foreshadowing something…but possibly not to such a violent end…just a bumbling giant!

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    98. I want Littlefinger to betray Jon like he did Ned, only to have Jon’s eyes turn bright blue, look to Littlefinger, and say something along the lines “But I’m already dead !”

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    99. I think Littlefinger being there is the dead giveaway that it’s not what we think.

      There was also a Littlefinger and Sansa scene filled at Winterfell earlier, was there not?

      It makes me think that she isn’t reunited with Jon at the Wall but rather finds her way to Littlefinger… and he brings her back to Winterfell.

      Or, the alternative is something that was posted at Reddit, which is that Littlefinger and the Vale forces ARE at the big battle. Perhaps he comes alone, or perhaps LF comes with Sansa and she’s with him, not with Jon.

      Perhaps in this little meeting is where LF turns (or tries to turn) on Jon, after the battle is won or even drawn. After all, Jon foils his control over Sansa. He’d be happier in theory with Ramsey as Lord of Winterfell with Sansa as his wife, and barring that killing Ramsey and having Sansa by his side. Jon’s presence makes that much tougher.

      I HATE the thought of Sansa under his finger again, or owing him anything. I have to believe that at this point Sansa is smarter than turning on her family for LF.

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    100. Pretty vague. I wonder why were the gates closed and why was a giant attacking it? If you assume that this is Wun Wun then it means Winterfell is still controlled by the Boltons. So then why are they in Winterfell if it was still held by the Boltons.
      I’m thinking It’s actually Ramsays execution we are seeing and Winterfell is back in Stark hands but Wun Wun goes into rage mode after being attacked by some soldier (Or wight giant, and the White Walkers are here). Something similar to Castle Black situation in Dance. This could also be when Sansa slays a giant in a castle of snow?

      This can go so many ways.

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    101. Fez,

      I’m guessing it’s the very last scene of episode 9. Ramsay gets his due, and Sansa poisons Littlefinger in episode 10 after he thinks he’s won.

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    102. Nadia,

      They were both filming at the Winterfell set (supposedly, in his case) on different days in early August. They may have filmed together, but it’s unknown.

      We know that Sansa is at Snowbowl, and that there is no sign of Littlefinger or any Arryn men there. All signs indicate she goes to Castle Black.

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    103. Luka Nieto,

      Isn’t it thought the old woman is possibly

      a descendant of the CotF?

      I kind of like the idea that prophecy could turn out to be, unlike most prophecies, including the first part of it about the serpents, quite straightforward.

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    104. I guess they didn’t tell you the part where Jon has Ramsay kneel before a block in Winterfell’s courtyard, and takes his head with Littlefinger and Sansa looking on approvingly? I can’t see it going any other way.

      Seems Wun Wun or someone else wants to get inside Winterfell quickly, does he see the walkers approaching?

      Edit: likely that Jon brings Ramsay in for execution, but look! The 20 good men storm the gate. Sansa, LF and Jon are hung on crosses and flayed. Ramsay sure makes it known to the audience that he is a bad bad guy.

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    105. Nadia: I HATE the thought of Sansa under his finger again, or owing him anything. I have to believe that at this point Sansa is smarter than turning on her family for LF.

      I hate it, too. Sansa will only be smarter if she has had a way to become aware of exactly what other things LF has done, and why. Otherwise, she will make the same dumb mistakes where he is concerned, and the fandom will really turn venomous on her.

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    106. GeekFurious: WHAT THE FUCK SHOW HAVE YOU BEEN WATCHING?! This is not a comeuppance show.

      Sure this story does not necessarily provide comeuppance.

      But the story also tries to be realistic. Getting the worse enemies within the realm together, fighting together with each other and singing Kumbaya around the camp fire is also not very realistic.

      We have already seen this effect between the Nights Watch and Wildlings. The Nights Watch has already practically been decimated from the attack of the Fist Of The First Men. They know about the threat, and it is even their main duty to protect the realms of men, yet they still could not work together.

      Logically it makes sense for everyone to just join up and fight together against the White Walkers, but it is not necessarily the way that people will act. It is very unlikely that the Boltons would actually work towards the greater good of the realm even if they knew the White Walker threat was real, they are just generally much more concerned with their own agenda. And if people are not willing to commit themselves to the cause of the White Walkers then it makes sense to eliminate them.

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    107. My best guess is the Wight Walkers show up during the battle of the bastards and both sides seek shelter inside Winterfell, maybe the Giant is a Wight???

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    108. This is BANANAS. B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

      This is so over-the-top cray, that I will have to see it, to believe that it’s true. However, if this scene ends with Ramsay being turned into an armless, legless, blood-drenched, Giant smoothie, I’m all for it.

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    109. GeekFurious

      BECAUSE THIS IS NOT LORD OF THE RINGS.

      Thank GAWD, some sanity to the discussion.

      Seriously.. let’s everyone backtrack a bit. Sansa is NOT

      Jayne Poole in the books. So to reset her storyline back to the books, she’s got to be with Littlefinger – and have NOTHING special to do with Ramsey.

      Sansa’s not going to behave like Jayne Poole anymore.

      Steps that need to happen, that seem to have happened by this scene
      She’s been properly separated from Theon and the jump (Theon’s not in this scene, and it sounds like he’s in the Iron Islands)
      Sansa is reunited with Littlefinger and is potentially back to being his protege. If in the end book Sansa ends up north, we can presume she’ll travel with Littlefinger to get there.

      Now… in the books JON knows Ramsey’s evil, and the READER knows Ramsey is evil… but what does book Sansa and Littlefinger know? Are they on Ramey’s side? Why the hell not? Maybe they’re against the Wildings and zombie Jon? Would Littlefinger CARE that Ramsey’s evil? Not my Littlefinger, he helped kill Joffery, he’d kill Ramsey too if need be, if he rteally cared about Sansa. Which he doesn’t, not as a real person.

      I think people consider the idea that the Vale shows up late, or hides in Winterfell – but it isn’t part of the bastardbowl, and keep Sansa Sansa for now.

      So without book spoilers… WTF a Giant? Is it a free wildling giant running from WW and trying to hide inside the castle? Did Jon get captured, and is Wun Wun attempting a rescue? Does Sansa switch sides, kill Littlefinger and help Jon escape in the chaos? Excitement! I vote for Wun Wun trying to rescue Jon, and Sansa goes with them!

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    110. Telperion:
      Any chance that Ramsay is actually the “savage giant.”He’s certainly savage, and Sansa slaying him makes more sense to me than slaying LF.Maybe this is a show deviation deviation from the books, since they didn’t go into LF’s ancetral sigil in the show, and they went to great lengths to build up the bad blood between Sansa and Ramsay (which wasn’t in the book).

      Yeah I post the same thing on Westros.org, they bypassed the prophecy of the maid, so I’m thinking it may be Ramsey, unless Wun Wun sees her and slays WunWun with her beauty.

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    111. I’m confused.com 🙂 But so long as Jon is alive and stays that way is the most important thing. But not happy about Ramsey and definitely don’t want him to be forgiven.

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    112. What if…

      1) One of the bodies on the cross (as have been speculated) is Tormund… The wildlings and Wun Wun would be pissed off.
      2)Then the battle comes, with Jon and his allies (including the Vale troops) winning.
      3) After the battle, a cornered Ramsay try to negotiate with Jon and Littlefinger.
      4) During the negotiations, a mad Wun Wun gets into Winterfell, like “No Negotiations, Ramsay killed Tormund, he must die” and then proceeds to destroy some shit and kills Ramsay in a properly gruesome way.

      I’m probably wrong, but this is my best guess right now 🙁

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    113. GeekFurious,

      Plenty of people get their comeuppance in ASOIAF (Tywin and Joffrey, to name two, got exactly what they deserved in the end). The desire for justice is a huge theme in GRRM’s story, and also how hard it is to enact it. But he has flatly denied that the story is nihilist (unlike what some readers believe).

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    114. I honestly believe almost all the “bad guys” including Ramsay will die in gruesome or humiliating ways before the series is over. So far when a bad guy’s role is over they die.

      It’s just not always done in a way the audience would like.

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    115. This sounds really questionable.

      I know we don’t have any specific context, but in the larger context of every off-book D&D decision regarding Sansa’s character, I’m not feeling optimistic on her behalf.

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    116. Maybe the battle ends in stalemate and jon meets with ramsay to talk terms and then giant white attacks with rest of white walkers and all of a sudden jon and ramsay are fighting side by side for the dawn. That would definetly be unique. Imagine us rooting for ramsay after everything.

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    117. Sean C.:
      GeekFurious,

      Plenty of people get their comeuppance in ASOIAF (Tywin and Joffrey, to name two, got exactly what they deserved in the end). The desire for justice is a huge theme in GRRM’s story, and also how hard it is to enact it.But he has flatly denied that the story is nihilist (unlike what some readers believe).

      In the show, Meryn Trant got what he deserved as well.

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    118. What if… The battle of the 6 armies, or whatever we’re calling it, isn’t Jon & Wildlings & Northerners versus Boltons and their allies. But rather, the Northerners (including Jon) versus the invading Wildlings? The Northerners lose, retreat back to Winterfell, but the gates can’t stop a giant. Really, really unlikely, I know (I can’t see Jon being an enemy to the Wildlings) but possible.

      Or, could be these scenes are in reverse order… Ramsay is defeated, flees back to Winterfell, Jon and the rest go to parley his surrender, Wun Wun acts as a battering ram, and then the tense scene in the courtyard plays out. Or Jon (and Sansa) are captured at the battle, or Jon hands himself over to Ramsay to save someone else, and Wun Wun comes to rescue them.

      I’m going to try* and not think too much on this… We don’t know enough about what’s actually going on here, I don’t think, and there’s just too many possibilities.

      *Probably not very effectively.

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    119. Sean C.,

      Always confuses why Roose doesn’t get as much hate. He is the biggest turncoat in the series plus stabbed old Rob right in the heart! Guess it pays to keep a low profile! Whatever happens I hope he gets his comeuppance…for some reason, for me anyway, it wouldn’t be as sweet if it was by Ramsay. Fingers crossed Rickon and Shaggy tear him apart!

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    120. GRRM makes it a point of showing that the pursuit of vengeance is empty. However, he does show that chickens do come to roost, for good or ill. So, that could certainly happen to Ramsay after all the things he’s done. Sansa would have to have the disposition of a saint to look at Ramsay, if the Stark forces prevail, and not want to throw him off a tower. And, while she’s a kind girl at heart, she’s no Baelor the Blessed, ya feel?

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    121. BigMac,

      Either way, I think the North in season 6 will have the most uplifting ending in the series to date. Jon and Sansa getting together (and possibly, almost probably Rickon as well), a big victory in the battle, Ramsay and Roose dying… I can’t see it ending any other way. Littlefinger getting is just a personal hope/theory.

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    122. AT,

      R U sure it was Sophie Turner in Heathrow Airport today?! If it w as her, she is supposed to b filming this big scene at Winterfelll this week?! Mayb will b back really soon?!

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    123. has anyone thought that they may need to join up against the whitewalkers? this show has been an example of sacrifice and compromise…. even if it is a scene to kill ramsey, what is a giant doing busting in if not for some serious reason (we are assuming the giant is on jon’s side)… sounds like a crisis…. it would be the first defense: the realm, the north (good and bad north), and the wild-boyz, up against something far far worse…. just a thought

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    124. Actually… this is driving me bonkers… so please if anyone can shoot me down.. I want to be shot down. Or I’m going to keep smashing against the same dumb wall over and over.

      Is there ANY spoilers, conformation, picture, or accidental misspoken line that leads us to believe that Sansa is

      on JON’s side in the battle of the Bastards/Snowbowl.
      Because all I feel I know is that Jon, Sansa and at least a third mystery Stark (Benjen, Rickon or someone else) is AT the battle. I want to believe Sansa is NOT. I seem to be the only one entertaining the idea.

      P.S. new current theory of the two on the crosses. Tormond and Roose – because they were going to make a truce together

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    125. Tyrion Pimpslap,

      I realize that previous sources said no White Walkers, but what if this is episode 10, and the dead on the battlefield begin to rise? Now wight!Wun Wun charges the gates of Winterfell, an army of dead Boltons, Karstarks, Umbers, Mormonts, Vale knights, and willings steadily approaches the castle

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    126. Sounds awesome! I agree it must be after the battle. 🙂
      Are those 4 the only main characters on set?
      It looks like we are not having much Roose next season.

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    127. Jared,

      I agree. Ramsay will kill Roose and Walda. And that’s a shame because I was hoping for more of the wonderful Michael McElhatton. I think – maybe hope is a better word – that Sansa is standing with Jon to determine Ramsay’s fate.

      Here’s how I would ideally like to see this play out:

      the giant storms the gates and provides Ramsay with an end similar to what Ser Patrek of King’s Mountain received in the books.

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    128. So intriguing. I feel like this at least bodes well for Sansa

      not being one of the known characters strung up on a cross and with Sue saying it’s not Rickon either my new most likely two are Roose and Walda (or Tormund and Edd 🙁 )

      But this is pretty nutso. I almost wish I wasn’t reading spoilers – almost!

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    129. I just had another, quite delicious idea… Ramsay and his allies lose the battle, Jon and the rest go to parley. Ramsay offers single combat to decide the whole affair, Jon shouts over his shoulder “Wun Wun, we need you!”.

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    130. mariamb:
      Jared,

      I agree. Ramsay will kill Roose and Walda. And that’s a shame because I was hoping for more of the wonderful Michael McElhatton. I think – maybe hope is a better word – that Sansa is standing with Jon to determine Ramsay’s fate.

      Here’s how I would ideally like to see this play out:

      I hope Jon makes the Thenns eat him.

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    131. Longtime reader, first time poster here with one hypothesis:

      After Ramsay has been defeated in battle and is cornered in Winterfell, he pleads with Sansa and Jon for his life.

      Littlefinger is about to propose one of his typically self-serving schemes when all of a sudden a resurrected Ned Stark pushes open the gate and remarks sarcastically, “They have a cave troll.”

      A giant smashes through the gate and stomps Ramsay into the mud. Jump cut to end credit listing M. Night Shyamalan as director.

      Note that I didn’t say it was a good hypothesis. 😉

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    132. Ramsay won’t die this season. If he does, he’d kill himself before anyone could do it for him. I think there’s going to be a lot of disappointed people!

      Definitely going to be some interesting posts in the coming days. 🙂

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    133. GeekFurious,

      Janos Slynt. Meryn Fucking Trant. More that I could add if I didn’t have this blasted head cold. It may not be as sugary as Frodo returning to the Shire but comeuppances are given, on occasion, in GoT.

      I have no inkling of what’s going on. And neither doesn’t anyone else besides those in the know. What we’ve got is hearsay and it’s all very out of context. I prefer to prepare to be exhilarated rather than let down.

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    134. Ser Florian,

      At least logically, they shouldn’t be holding any parley in Winterfell. The point of such meetings is to meet on neutral ground, generally, when both sides’ leaders are involved. Winterfell wouldn’t be neutral — it’s the stronghold of whoever garrisons it.

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    135. They will not kill Ramsey. They are careful not to kill off characters that can have huge impact. Ramsey may die but not as part of the north story line.

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    136. Sean C.,

      Perfectly put, Sean. I always wondered if people think Tywin died of old age or Joff’s death was just indigestion gone bad. I also have a strong suspicion

      the Freys that were hanging in the woods

      were just playing with the rope on the tree branches and I believe there are bound to be some accidents and old age deaths too in the future books.

      EDIT: I see Lady Lyanna Targaryan added some of her own accidents.

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    137. RosanaZugey:
      Wtf?!? The spoiler sounds like bad fanfic.

      As a side, if Sansa ACTUALLY kills a LITERAL giant, then all of speculation about her prophesy was way off.

      Your second sentence just made my evening. 😀

      This description is intriguing but doesn’t really give us much to go on. However, if Littlefinger and Jon Snow are also there with Sansa and Ramsay, I really doubt this is a straightforward recapture scenario.

      Agreed that this is mutually exclusive with that daft ‘Sansa burns on a cross’ scenario that some were convinced was going to happen.

      Like some other posters, I am deeply suspicious about the absence of Roose:

      The Sansa – Ramsay marriage was negotiated with Roose. Therefore why is Littlefinger talking with Ramsay?
      Jon Snow would want to negotiate with Roose, as he has been named Warden of the North by the Lannisters. There also is no reason for him to talk to the monkey instead of the organ-grinder.

      This seriously points to Roose having been murdered IMO.

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    138. Lyanna_targaryen:
      GeekFurious,

      Janos Slynt. Meryn Fucking Trant. More that I could add if I didn’t have this blasted head cold. It may not be as sugary as Frodo returning to the Shire but comeuppances are given, on occasion, in GoT.

      The Tickler. ‘Nice sword. Think I’ll pick my teeth with it’.

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    139. Simon,

      I think it would be more poetic if Ramsay was chased through the woods then torn apart by Nymeria’s pack…but that would require him to be in the Riverlands I guess!
      I think Theon isnt’t going to be around that part of the world much longer anywho.

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    140. If this is post battle…it would lead me to believe that Jon and Sansa were captured by Ramsey.

      Maybe Jon’s side even won the battle – but Ramsey captured both of them and retreated to Winterfell. Don’t forget that Ramsey is stealth and a pretty good battle commander as evidence by holding off Yara’s attack on the Dreadfort and his “20 good men” against Stannis.

      There is no other reason why Wun Wun would attack the gates.

      Littlefinger is the wild card here. Have no idea what side he will be on my this point.

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    141. First and foremost, from now on, all spoilers should end, “And then a giant tries to break in!”

      It really would keep things interesting.

      A few other thoughts…

      I’m not a fan of the logic that it’s GoT and GRRM so nothing good can happen. Yeah, being realistic means you can’t expect all of your favorites to win/live, but it also means that bad shit is evenly dispersed. There have and will be deaths that make us cheer (see: Joffrey). Ramsay will get his comeuppance, not because of narrative justice, but because no one stays on top in this world, especially those who make enemies with every act (see again: Joffrey).

      This scene is puzzling, though. I always imagined that Jon would meet Ramsay very much like he did Styr and Karl: recognition flowing immediately into a gleeful duel. The guy is just catnip for Big Bads. So I have to think that one of them is physically restrained.

      On the giant trying to “force his way in”…if it weren’t a giant that could just be someone trying to shoulder their way through a crowd to get in on a conversation. Maybe the gates aren’t closed? Maybe people are coming in and out and it’s more of a “Your kind isn’t allowed inside” sort of deal than a giant trying to break down the gate of an enemy-controlled fortress.

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    142. Here is my issue with what is known. If they are indeed all there, and Jon w/the north did not lose the battle (if this is indeed post battle), why is the giant having to break into Wintefell?

      If Jon won I would assume he certainly wouldn’t be barring them from Winterfell let alone the castle they just liberated.

      Perhaps it’s a double-cross? A surrender setup by LF & Ramsay? Only thing I can think of unless he outright lost and is going to be executed (Jon) while Ramsay makes his sister witness it (would LF be ok with it? triple-cross? wtf?), then this would give the giant reason to break in. Otherwise it would have to be LF or Ramsay, after losing, trying to double-cross and kill/stab Jon/Sansa which enrages the giant. I don’t see it happen like that though.

      Pretty interesting either way, the story coming back together seems so epic due to all this tension that has built up waiting for twow. Sadly I think a lot of story might sound fanfic-ish until we have the book, some things I’m sure wont sound like they will be in the book, but until we have it we just won’t know.

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    143. Whoa, beyond exciting!! Not as much for giants (giants are cool and all) but as the idea of these 4 in the same place.
      -Roose is dead?
      -Littlefinger survived the battle by waiting it out?
      -Sansa escapes to the forces of Jon and co from Ramsay, and is now back for revenge?
      -Littlefinger wants his girl back for sure
      -Jon and Sansa together!! FEEELS!!!!
      We need more info! And to know what episode it is (pre or post battle?) but whoa! mind is racing with possibilities 🙂

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    144. I’d been assuming that the filming with Littlefinger and Sansa at Winterfell we knew about from before MUST have been from 6×10, since I didn’t think that Sansa would go anywhere near Winterfell while Ramsay was still living. It looks like that’s no longer a sure thing, although it’s still possible, I guess.

      The interesting thing for me is whether this new scene occurs BEFORE the 6×09 battle, or AFTER.

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    145. I think we can throw away the theory that the giant is some sort of wight or zombie marching with an army.

      A ton of material has to happen this season – I doubt they would just throw in the White Walkers finding a way to get through the wall. It would have to happen pretty early in the season.

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    146. Lulus Mum: if there was something he had to tell Jon say, like “White Walkers here now RUN LIKE FUUUUUUUUUK!” he’s not gonna just knock politely I’d imagine.

      This was my hearty laugh of the day

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    147. Ser Florian,

      Jon being an enemy of the Wildlings is equally as impossible as Jon and Ramsey somehow teaming up. Jon is the only reason any remaining Wildling is still alive. And Ramsey raped his sister, sent him a very rude letter, and is the son of the man who killed his closest brother.

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    148. Brett,

      Whilst I agree that the White Walkers will not be involved with the Winterfell arc it is inevitable that they will reappear in some capacity in Season 6. They’ve appeared in every season, but could’ve easily been omitted in Season 4 and Season 5.

      D&D want to keep them firmly within the audience’s mind, which is the right decision (and let the audience see Hardhome which pretty much everybody loved). They’re going to do something and whether that is associated with Bran or The Wall I would expect something imposing (obviously not a big battle like Hardhome, but D&D will want to emphasise the threat the White Walkers are).

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    149. Boudica,

      it would be pretty sweet if the starks (jon and sansa) captured and executed both ramsay and littlefinger, but something tells me littlefinger will choose the right side, betray the boltons and possibly deliver ramsay to jon/sansa. then he just pleads ignorance on the boltons’ evil and keeps his “warden of the north” status on the down low. maybe he tries to marry sansa.

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    150. ladywolfsbane,

      Well, Ramsay’s father still killed Sansa’s brother and the woman Littlefinger loved. He’s living in Sansa’s home because of treachery. Neither Sansa nor Littlefinger should have any allegiance to the Boltons at all, whether they know Ramsay is a psychopath or not. Now, will they use the Boltons for their own means and then murder them later? Sure. But no, they have no reason to just help Ramsay as if he’s some poor long-lost Stark bannerman.

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    151. I think I can make this fit with my irrationally held theory of how it all goes down.

      Bof6A is the expected Jon + Wildlings against Boltons +Allies. Just as the battle starts to wind down LF and the army of the Vale arrive and do exactly what we expect…try to win by defeating the winner of the Wildings vs Boltons battle.

      All looking very traditional battle-ish until, what’s that ice fog coming over the hill? It’s the Others. It’s only at this point that everyone starts to actually believe that the real enemy is the Others. After some chaos and disbelief, they all band together under the leadership of the only man who has fought the Others and survived…Jon Snow. Jon and the Wildlings organize the survivors to gather and burn the dead, while a heroic WunWun tries to hold off the Others. They succeed in burning some/most of the fallen. WunWun dies in the process. He’s then resurrected as a wight, along with the battle dead that they weren’t able to burn.

      The survivors have retreated to Winterfell. Enemies are now very uncomfortable allies. They’re discussing what to do next, when unWunWun, and the new wight army, tries to break through the door.
      As an added tinfoil bonus, they’ll realize there’s something in the crypts that will help them defeat the Others. At least temporarily.

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    152. Sean C.: That would never happen. Ramsay simply cannot be dealt with in that manner; even if you were inclined to overlook his past crimes toward the Starks, he has given more than ample proof that he will not honour deals and cannot even be counted on to act in his own self-interest.

      You are absolutely right that they’d be crazy to trust Ramsay in any way – especially since I realize now that he was portrayed as way worse in the books, if that’s possible.

      I’m still reeling from finding out on another thread that he poisoned Roose’s other son in the books.

      Having said that though, I’m looking forward to a lot of persuasive speeches from Jon to everyone trying to get them to work together. Maybe they threaten Ramsay, saying that if he doesn’t order his men to rally to Jon, they will end him right there. As someone said upthread, my mind is melting. I need a break. Think I’ll go read about how France is chasing the terrorists.

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    153. fly on the Wall:
      Tyrion Pimpslap,

      I realize that previous sources said no White Walkers, but what if this is episode 10, and the dead on the battlefield begin to rise? Now wight!Wun Wun charges the gates of Winterfell, an army of dead Boltons, Karstarks, Umbers, Mormonts, Vale knights, and willings steadily approaches the castle

      Wow…I had never considered this possibility…

      What if, if the WW’s are close enough to the Wall, they can raise the dead on the other side of it? Maybe that’s too tin-foily, I don’t know. We know wights can’t get though the wall when they’re animated, and we know some kind of magic protects the Wall/keeps the WW’s from being able to pass through, but I don’t think we have enough information to know whether that would prevent WW’s from raising wights on the other side of the Wall. It would certainly help to explain why a Giant would be trying to force his way into Winterfell…either he’s scared shitless, or has been raised.

      Again, maybe way too tin-foily…

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    154. Boudica:
      This is really interesting news. It is a bit disappointing that Littlefinger will also be present. Except if both Ramsay and Littlefinger is going down.

      I would love that! What about those two crosses a guy viewed on the scene?

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    155. L.:
      what. the. fuck.

      LOL

      A scene with Littlefinger, Sansa and Jon in Winterfell only makes sense for episode 10, AFTER the Battle in episode 9. What I don’t understand is why Ramsey is there, and how the heck he’s still alive at this point…

      And why would a giant attack Jon? Isn’t he commanding the Wildlings at this point? Check, at this point Tormund is probably calling him King Crow…for real, this time…

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    156. Bearded Onion,
      mau,

      It can’t be anything else. And they won’t kill Ramsay in the battle. Sansa will order his death, and Jon will bring her his head.

      Yep but then why is the Giant going bersek and everyone has to fight him off if it is Ramsay’s execution ? I fail to see how this help plot-wise except if…. it gives Ramsay the opportunity to flee ?

      And more intriguing, the presence of LF in the North and how the relationship will evolve with other characters, mainly Sansa & Jon. I just hope that Sansa is not keeping her trust in LF and is on Jon’s side. I just hope that Jon is not fooled by LF.
      Phewww..
      So looking forward to this next season 🙂

      This sounds completely terrible unless it’s Ramsay captured post battle.
      Seriously, what the fuuuuuck?

      For the moment, yes, it sounds like bad fanfic. When I read it I couldn’t believe Sue wrote it. However, we need more details… it is like a rough sketch for now… Ahem… well… Crossing my fingers.

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    157. Ser Florian,

      ..” Ramsay is defeated, flees back to Winterfell, Jon and the rest go to parley his surrender, Wun Wun acts as a battering ram, and then the tense scene in the courtyard plays out.”

      This is the best explanation so far that I have read. My own interpretation is just slightly different. I see it that the “Northern Armies” have Bolton on the run….where are they going to run to? Winterfell where Ramsay still has some troops I would think….he is pursued up to the gates and Wun Wun takes down the gate. Jon, Sansa and LF come in to face Ramsay for a final showdown.

      Now how they get there from here is anyone’s guess. I read that Ramsay is in it for the long run. Maybe they take him captive and toss him in the dog’s cages. That wouldn’t be bad. Just to hold until next season anyway.

      I see that Sansa comes to Jon at CB after the escape from Winterfell and the splitting with Theon/Reek. I am going to guess that LF comes in at the last minute turning the tide and fighting the Bolton army back to Winterfell.

      I have my own plans for LF that I have been saving in my head and it involves one….

      moon door

      Also….I read the books too and the prophesy by the Ghost of High Heart and I never understood how people attached THAT to Sansa. Just never did. I am sure there has been speculation a plenty on the subject, but nothing to ever show that it relates to Sansa, ever. Even Arya didn’t hear that prophesy…..I think it was Berek, Thoros and one other.

      How did people come to think this was Sansa with the hair and the purple snakes dripping venom and killing a giant in a snow castle?

      #veryexcitedforseason6 #toolongfromthismoment #hopetosurviveuntilthen

      🙂

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    158. LF is still in KL
      Sansa is only just fleeing WF
      Jon is dead/dieing/yet to be healed.

      With this in mind, it has to be ep. 10 right? There is so much that needs to take place before they can all find themselves within WF.

      Assuming this is post Snowbowl, I’m curious who the two characters were that Ramsey displayed burning on Bolton crosses. My new guess would have to be the corpse of Stannis and the recently killed Roose (Ramsey attempting to take complete control of the North).

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    159. Looper,
      Thanks! At least someone has reasoning for it.

      For the Red Wedding – I would think the Lannisters or the Freys would be higher on the hit list than the Boltons though?

      Late October, WotW

      “We can confirm that Sansa Stark will be there, and that Sophie Turner was seen filming alongside…THE BATTLEFIELD. The battlefield has a few Starks, actually, if you count Jon.”

      I’m going to go LALALALALA at all of you until I get better reason why Sansa or the Umbers or Karstaks or the Vale would NOT side along the other Northerners against an invading Wildling army lead by a bastard Zombie who dumped his Nights Watch vows to go fight an evil Hobbit nobody in the 7 kingdoms really knows about.

      Ned was a hero who did the right thing and tried to save the incest children
      Robb was a hero who did the right thing and married the girl
      Stannis did the most right thing possible and tried to be the King – because he WAS the rightful King
      Jon does the right thing and tried to sweep in dramatically and rescue Winterfell?

      So…how could that POSSIBLY be misunderstood by everyone in Westeros? Didn’t they read the books? Don’t the Northerners know that R+L = J and he’s a HERO and a king hanging out with Wildlings? To everyone but us in Westeros Jon is a bastard, a traitor, a wildling, and a zombie, and the White Walkers aren’t even real… until SANSA changes allegiances,

      “the North Remembers” but has no direction to go…yet..

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    160. Hmm, is there any way the giant is Wun-Wun and he just doesn’t know Jon is inside? Jon has to be all like “Wun-Wun: chill! I got this!” or something less anachronistic? 🙂 Or it’s Wun-Wun and he doesn’t care *who* is inside because he’s avenging his leader? 🙁

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    161. JCDavis: How did people come to think this was Sansa with the hair and the purple snakes dripping venom

      In the books, instead of Dontos giving Sansa a necklace, he gave her the hairnet with the venom which killed Joffrey.

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    162. My theory:

      Sansa is captured by Ramsay during the battle or has been captured and returned to Winterfell before Jon marches South with army. Battles commences and after the battle the remaining Bolton forces return to Winterfell to be put under siege by Jon’s army. Ramsay threatens the death of Sansa if Jon doesn’t end the siege and so Jon and LF enter Winterfell to negotiate with Ramsay. Ramsay has no intention to negotiate and is attempting to lure Jon and LF in to assassinate them however Jon and LF foresee this and (not known to viewers) have planned final attack on Winterfell with their full forces and help of Wun Wun who Ramsay was not aware of until the giant is attacking the gates. Another battle starts and ultimately snow and snow are head to head and duel to death of Ramsay.

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    163. Blackfish Blackfire:
      This is how I see this playing out…

      Roose agrees to Jon’s terms given that he is out numbered and that the WWs are coming. Ramsey sees this and kills Roose along with Fat Walda. Jon comes to Winterfell thinking that he is meeting Roose but ends up meeting Ramsey. They fight their way out. Ramsey burns Roose’s and Walda’s bodies before battle, battle happens. and I do think that the WWs will show up. maybe not the entire army but a small band that would unite all the armies in the south. Just enough so people do think that they are real. How else is Jon gonna convince people? This would set us up for the next season.

      Not bad!

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    164. Sue the Fury,

      Oooooo…my brain is at a disadvantage today, so I hadn’t honed in on your word choice there. Yes, “interacting” is quite vague, and leaves so many possibilities open. 🙂

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    165. Sue the Fury,

      Interacting is a lovely choice of words. I’m going back to lurking and licking my wounds… I want what I want to be true too bad right now… been waiting since 2011 when the book stabbing happened – Jon deserved it! Stabby Stabby! Jon is nobody to me until someone supports him other than the Wildlings and a couple Night’s Watchmen…

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    166. If LF wants the north than the best way to get it would be to eliminate Jon, especially if people are thinking he’s Azor Ahai. If Jon was able to rally a large enough Stark force to fight a battle, then he’s probably got some serious clout at this point. This is how I see it:

      Jon and the Stark host win, but Ramsay manages to retreat to Winterfell with some of his men. LF convinces Jon to do a parlay, but secretly sets a trap. Bran has warged into a bird or something and is watching the parlay. When he sees Jon and Sansa in danger, he send in Wun Wun to fuck shit up.

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    167. TheTouchOfFrost:
      Sansa’s giant-slaying prophecy coming true? I’m not entirely sure how it can happen but surely it must be through something she sets into motion as I can’t see her bringing one down first-hand.I guess the big question is whether the giant is alive or dead already?

      What Sansa slaying the dragon prophecy????

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    168. Ser Florian,

      It’ll still be pretty bad. Sansa, Jon, LF and Ramsay “interacting” (maybe not even talking) when all of a sudden some massive giant attacks the gate and everyone has to team up to fight it off. None of it makes sense right now.

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    169. This confirms it… Jon and Sansa rule the North and the only thing they have to do before another wedding is execute Ramsey by way of Wun Wun who is very excited.

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    170. The worst will be if Ramsay beats and captures Jon until Giant/Wildlings/whoever do something…That would undermine Jon’s resurrection and transformation into ‘the man’, AAR or whatever. And it would turn Ramsay into an even bigger villain sue/Rambo.

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    171. TheTouchOfFrost:
      Sansa’s giant-slaying prophecy coming true? I’m not entirely sure how it can happen but surely it must be through something she sets into motion as I can’t see her bringing one down first-hand.I guess the big question is whether the giant is alive or dead already?

      What Sansa giant slaying prophecy??

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    172. Isn’t it known that Ramsay and Jon engage in single combat? How does that resolve with this? Any chance that Ramsay in this new leaked scene is a corpse? I don’t see why, but if there’s that single combat, it’s hard to imagine that not ending with somebody dying.

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    173. JCDavis: How did people come to think this was Sansa with the hair and the purple snakes dripping venom and killing a giant in a snow castle?

      That’s why my first reaction when I read of it today was that she was talking about a vision of Dany – maybe at a Dothraki feast we haven’t seen yet. Dany flies north of the Wall on Drogon, while someone flies the other two dragons (serpents in her hair?) and kills … a giant wight army?

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    174. Sue the Fury:
      lucas,

      Well, I didn’t actually specify talking. I said interacting. Usefully vague word.

      Ohoho! The plot thickens!

      One thing I’m vague on is the timing. Sansa, Jon and Littlefinger share screen time at some point, clearly, but what’s the order here?

      1. Sansa escapes WF, Littlefinger arrives with his Vale army to scoop her up, Jon is resurrected and comes south and Sansa/Littlefinger meet with him and face Ramsay?
      2. Sansa escapes WF, Jon comes south and meets with Sansa, and later Sansa/Jon meet up with Littlefinger’s forces?
      3. Littlefinger hears of Jon’s resurrection, writes to Jon suggesting a teamup against Ramsay, Sansa finds her way to Jon/Littlefinger’s assembled forces?

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    175. This is possibly the most exciting Season 6 spoiler for anything north of King’s Landing, AFAIAC. 😀 These four main characters in a tense scene inside Winterfell? Must be Episode 10. Also, by his absence, I feel a little more sure that Tormund is dead before now. One of the two on the burning crosses? By his absence, Roose must be dead too. Could’ve died in battle or patricide. Rickon must also be dead. If a giant is trying to break in, I imagine that the Winterfell forces may have won the battle. So…… did LF come and actually fight on Ramsay’s side and help him win? I do wonder where Davos and Mel are by the time of this scene? Also dead?

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    176. If this is true, the 4 of them being together sounds plausible. The giant however does not. There are a few things i could think of that would explain the giant however.

      The 4 are together, but not by choice. IE 1 2 or maybe even 3 are being held hostage.

      Maybe it is after the battle (or during) and lets say one of the following is tru.e

      Ramsay is held captive by the other 3.
      Ramsay and LF held hostage
      Jon & Sansa held hostage (could explain why a giant is knocking).
      Sansa & LF held hostage, and Jon intervenes.

      If it is after the battle, and Jon has won, why would a giant be trying to knock the doors down unless it is a WW.

      I could see this happening during the battle. Jon (+ maybe Sansa &or LF) sneak into Winterfell though the crypts, or some other passage. (Remember isnt there something in the books about there being a passage all the way to the wall from WF underground?).
      Maybe Jon sneaks in to try and save Sansa during the battle, finds Ramsay and then Wunwun decides he has waited enough and tries to break in.

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    177. Very crackpot theory:
      Jon and Sansa’s army arrive to winterfell. Before the battle beggins, Littlefinger advices Ramsay. Ramsay sends a messenger to sansa and jon asking them to meet him in winterfell.
      Jon and Sansa goes with wun wum as bodyguard, ramsay offers them the deal (maybe involving rikon) that littlefinger planned. Sansa and jon refuses. And littlefinger is one of the bodies at the cross. And now, it beggins…
      Or maybe is just after the battle, jon, sansa and litlefinger enter to winterfell and kill ramsay.

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    178. Curious, Sue retweeted something from GameOverRos that includes a tweet from AngryGoTFan…and I don’t follow AngryGoTFan so I can’t see it. What does it say?

      Thanks.

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    179. Lulus Mum:
      HotPinkLipstick,
      Found that picture you were looking for in the previous thread. There’s some very strange lighting in that shop, it’s almost as if someone’s cut out two of the heads from other photos and stuck them on top of the people who should be there!

      I have been busy all day and just saw this. Wooooodoggies, did I need that giggle.

      I declare you as my FAVORITE.

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    180. I am surprised that people haven’t realized this is obviously the scene where Sansa “slays a giant in a castle made of snow”. This should be great! 🙂

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    181. If Ramsay captures Sansa or Jon he’ll simply kill them right away since the North is rebelling for them.

      Also story wise, Ramsay has to lose the battle. His story is done. The Starks can’t lose their entire army minus 1 giant and get fucked up yet again. It’s boring.

      D&D seriously need to have bad stuff happen to Ramsay already, he’s burnt WF, broke Theon, beat the best of the Ironborn shirtless, Took Moat Callin, Got legitimized, married and raped Sansa, destroyed all of Stannis’ supplies and siege equipment with just 20 men, crushed Stannis in the field of battle. Nothing bad has happened to Ramsay, nothing. Tywin and Joff suffered tons of problems before they died, Ramsay just gets everything he wants without any trouble, it’s getting seriously stupid now if he beats Jon & Sansa then captures them.

      He has to lose this battle, the Starks need to win.

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    182. Two questions/possibilities…

      Anyway that it is not sansa but instead melisandre?

      And two… if Ramsay sees the proverbial writing on the wall and knows he is done, he can kill his father, say it was all roose and meet with Jon and LF. They all accept his statements until sansa comes in and tells Jon what Ramsay did to her and theon. At which point Jon takes longclaw and is the one to swing the blade fot his sister (cousin?) Sansa.

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    183. Sue the Fury:
      lucas,

      Well, I didn’t actually specify talking. I said interacting. Usefully vague word.

      Well, this takes down the “they band together to fight a common enemy, the White Walkers” interpretations. I figure the battle of Winterfell becomes literally that, has its final moments/outcome indoors.

      Perhaps Littlefinger has come in with the Vale guys at the last minute, and oversees Ramsay’s execution. Wun Wun represents the Wildling contingent, and does not want to be left out.

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    184. Lollyspop:
      I actually want this to be true. But aren’t the giants CGI? How can the source have seen a giant bustin through the gates?

      Because they rehearse scenes and design them before they film them and set everything up. Even if you can’t see a giant, people working on the set know where one is supposed to be.

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    185. Sean C.,

      You keep saying that, but we got ONE really blurry picture where you could make out some but not all banners. And if the Valemen come later, that is entirely likely AND consistent with someone saying LF was filming there AND two scenes where he’s filming with Sansa at Winterfell.

      And if the Vale aren’t in the fight, which you keep insisting with no basis either way, then it’s even more likely what I said, which is that Sansa is with Littlefinger before this huge battle and not at the Wall with Jon.

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    186. ladywolfsbane,

      About “Robb was a hero who did the right thing and married the girl.”

      Marrying Talisa was the mistake that made Robb end up being killed and betrayed by the Freys and Boltons under the offer of Tywin.
      If he would’ve been less stubborn and less horny and more aware of why marrying one of Freys daughters was neccesary to win the war, there may be a chance that he would still be alive by now.
      But i guess that even if Robb would have married one of Freys daughters the Red Wedding would’ve happened anyway because Walder is just a old douchebag and Roose is a traitor who hates the Starks and the whole wedding was a huge advantage for Tywin to execute Robb.

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    187. According to the sources Sansa is present in the Snowball and now again with Jon at WF. Which means almost for sure that Sansa will head to CB after the jump and will spend quite a time there before marching to do some diplomacy work before the battle. In the description of this “family” scene three characters shine with their absence Melisandre, she who would walk WF’s crypts (maybe she is doing just this while the others toasting and chilling out after the battle), Davos and Roose. I am not totally convinced that Roose will be a casualty this season. I suspect that he somehow will escape southwards and this in combination with the information that Jaimie will be heading northwards after the RR siege make me think of this certain Lannister paying his respects to the old Bolton somewhere in the middle. Just a feeling. Now Davos’ absence is curious but then again it is just a scene, he might be doing something else or hanging (around) somewhere else or he is sent back to CB to get a great first view of its falling down ( I always thought that he would make an excellent LC). There is a fourth absence that of Rickon and here I have no clue at all… If this scene signals the victory of Jon, Sansa and co then we have an interesting development. Sansa has for the first time utter control over LF. If this scene is about Ramseys demise and LF is present then Sansa has an opportunity to play real games with and send enough implicit messages to the mockingbird to titillate him under his feathers.

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    188. So much delicious dialog possible –
      “Heard you died.”
      “I did.”
      “As a member of the Nights Watch you have no interests here.”
      “My watch is over.”
      “She is my wife!”
      “She will be your widow.”

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    189. dothrakian raven,

      It’s not sure at all?? There was a spoiler earlier that Sansa and Littlefinger filmed a scene at Winterfell earlier. It could very easily be explained that Sansa goes/gets to LF after her jump, and comes to Winterfell with him.

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    190. Edith,

      If Littlefinger is there BEFORE the battle then again – unlike what Sean C keeps insisting – there were spoilers that LF was there as well.

      AND it means that Sansa is almost certainly with him and not at Castle Black with Jon, and she comes to the battle with Littlefinger, not Jon. And LF does it because he sees his chance to be Warden of the North with Sansa.

      I am so tired of Sansa with LF but this seemed inevitable anyway.

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    191. Nadia:
      dothrakian raven,

      It’s not sure at all?? There was a spoiler earlier that Sansa and Littlefinger filmed a scene at Winterfell earlier. It could very easily be explained that Sansa goes/gets to LF after her jump, and comes to Winterfell with him.

      What was the point of telling Sansa about Jon at CB? Also go to WF with him, why? She won’t return there with the Boltons still incharge. Also what about Theon…? LF wouldn’t let him go that easily and we know where he’s headed. Also the Boltons weren’t at WF in that scene, we only know Sophie was there and that LF’s trailer was sighted in the area. Nothing else.

      In any case, Liam Cunningham said Sansa has a amazing arc this season, that means she has stuff to do this season and not just be LF’s toy. Also Royce has minimal filming this year, so has Aiden Gillian while Sophie has been constantly filming and at the same time as Kit. She’s going to CB.

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    192. dothrakian raven,

      I suspect that he somehow will escape southwards and this in combination with the information that Jaimie will be heading northwards after the RR siege make me think of this certain Lannister paying his respects to the old Bolton somewhere in the middle.

      I really hate to keep jumping in with this, but there is no information that we have that suggests Jaime is heading northward, none. The only information we have is that he’ll go places other than Riverrun by Episode 10. Nothing about north, south, east or west. So while he very well may head north, I have not read one bit of actual information that supports this.

      My suspicion is that Roose is either dead or wherever Walder Frey is (at the Twins maybe).

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    193. Nadia,

      The scene you are talking about provide US with no adequate ground to support your thesis. It is a scene with the two of them. It could be just a few secs and we have no idea what they are saying. In my mind Sansa will head to CB after the jump. It seems as more persuading to do diplomacy work against the Boltons than to chitchating with LF for a whole season.

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    194. Also this being pre Battle makes a deal more sense, but why the hell would Sansa & Jon want to parley with Ramsay……? They need him dead. He wouldn’t agree to anything they ask.

      Sounds like the Giant is indeed on the side of Sansa and Jon though, so no Ramsay teaming up bullshit.. thank god.

      Also this confirms for me Ramsay’s fucked! Huzza.

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    195. This sound weird… Why a giant would want to crash WF? To save/protect Jon? To kill everybody?

      trarecar: Yeah, after I posted that, I realized that it would be a great empowering moment for her, IF in fact she finally has the upper hand over him.With Jon there I hope she does.

      Face your abuser it’s not empowering.
      Being captured by your abuser again and uses as a hostage is not empowering.
      Being rescued by a knight in black armor it’s not empowering.
      Being rescued by a sneaky smug it’s not empowering.
      Being a wannabe player thanks to LF it’s not empowering.
      Being a wannabe player thanks to Jon it’s not empowering.
      Being in a meeting in which there’s one who wants your claim and raped you, one who who wants your claim and wants to rape you and your halfbrother came back from the death it’s not empowering.
      Being in a meeting in which the three characters can use her as a political tool against her will it’s not empowering.
      Being a Stark in a scene involving LF is horrible.
      Being a Stark in a scene involving Ramsay is horrible.

      This is another Sansa being scared crying on a corner again or used to start the JonxSansa ship. And if the only idea they give about how to deal with abuse is some sort of Sansa choping Ramsay’s head is awful

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    196. I’m thinking Jon leads a one-man infiltration mission to rescue Sansa, who is with Littlefinger and doing… whatever, something… with Ramsay. Or perhaps it isn’t a one-man op, but it isn’t the main course.

      This is pre-battle, in line with L7R’s statements. Roose isn’t necessarily dead — he’s quite possibly readying the armies or what-have-you. Jon’s caught sneaking around, political dialogue and Ramsay being a freak ensues, and then WunWun (or some other giant) comes to the rescue.

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    197. Bearded Onion,

      Los Siete Reinos said it’s before the battle. Why would Sansa go there with Jon alone like that? Makes no sense unless she is there with LF. I hate to see her being LF’s puppet for his schemes. Basically Jon wants them to surrender, LF is playing his games to trick them and Ramsay is psycho.

      Sophie has been constantly filming her scenes much like Kit? Not really true apart from she will be at the Battle and there at this scene. Otherwise Kit filmed something in summer and it certainly wasn’t anywhere near Moneyglass where Sophie filmed and Aiden aswell. Since then Sophie didn’t do much unlike Kit who was seen in and out of Belfast frequently. Ramsay mentioned Jon to Sansa, but like I said nothing is certain.

      Edith,

      Interesting. Maybe it’s some kind of parlay and Jon wants to negotiate, but he knows that Boltons needs to be destroyed. That theory about Jon coming to negotiate peace or some kind of truce with Roose and then Ramsay killing Roose makes sense. If he send Davos or Tormud as envoy it makes sense for them to be tied to the cross. Jon will manage to leave Winterfell thanks to Wun Wun and then battle ensures.

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    198. SlayerNina,

      Good to know you’ve already seen the episode in question. Anything else you can tell us about what happens?

      /sarcasm

      btw – I don’t know if you’ve ever had to face an abuser, but facing down one’s demon, especially when/if it involves some sort of justice being meted out, can, at the very least, be quite cathartic for some.

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    199. Edith,

      Any confirmation for this? It is strange to have this scene before the battle. Well that means that Wun Wun will save Jon and Sansa, if Sansa is to be present at the battle. But what about LF? Hm, very strange scene…

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    200. Geralt of Rivia,

      Exactly all of what you said. Lots of commentators are missing the mark here.

      JON WOULD NOT TAKE SANSA WITH HIM TO RAMSEY IN WINTERFELL. All of you acting like that makes sense, that’s the dumbest theory ever – if she ran to Castle Black to him and told him everything that’s happened, you think Jon Snow would be like “why don’ t you walk right back into Winterfell with me right before we start a battle and chat with Ramsey?”

      That is not happening.

      If Littlefinger is there – and if Sansa and Littlefinger have filmed a separate scene at Winterfell – and this is before the battle as Los Siete imply, then Sansa is there with Littlefinger. Either she comes to the battle with LF and the Vale army, or she’s already at Winterfell with LF.

      There are no spoilers to support Sansa is with Jon at the Wall. It’s all our speculation. We know she filmed a scene with LF at Winterfell. We know she’s at the battle. None of that implies she comes or was with Jon at all. And Jon Snow would not take Sansa back into Winterfell. Littlefinger would.

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    201. SlayerNina,

      What would be empowering to you? As someone who has been abused and been able to face my abuser and see him face legal justice was empowering. So, I frankly resent you saying that facing your abuser is, point blank, not empowering. I also disagree that people wanting to use Sansa as a tool makes whatever scene she is in not empowering. Wouldn’t Sansa’s actions in reaction to people wanting to make her a tool determine whether she’s a self-actualized, empowered character in that scene?

      If Sansa has to be rescued by anyone without her being able to be proactive, that wouldn’t be empowering for her as a character. I can agree on that alone.

      Sidenote, I don’t personally care about empowered, Strong Female Character tropes. It’s not what makes a character valuable to me. With that said, I do want Sansa to get the upper hand on Ramsay somehow and that comes purely from my own experiences. Will that happen? Who knows? But, I hope.

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    202. dothrakian raven,

      Again, for the millionth time, it makes sense if Sansa is WITH LITTLEFINGER. If Sansa runs to Jon after all she’s suffered, he wouldn’t take her back into Winterfell to meet/capture/whatever Ramsey. Littlefinger would.

      There’s zero evidence except for THIS battle that Kit and Sansa are filming together. He’s been filming that for a long time apparently. She hasn’t been. She hasn’t been spotted filming where the Wall would be or at the studios at the same time as Kit.

      She has, however, been seen filming now two scenes with Littlefinger at Winterfell.

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    203. Bearded Onion:
      If Ramsay captures Sansa or Jon he’ll simply kill them right away since the North is rebelling for them.

      Also story wise, Ramsay has to lose the battle. His story is done. The Starks can’t lose their entire army minus 1 giant and get fucked up yet again. It’s boring.

      D&D seriously need to have bad stuff happen to Ramsay already, he’s burnt WF, broke Theon, beat the best of the Ironborn shirtless, Took Moat Callin, Got legitimized, married and raped Sansa, destroyed all of Stannis’ supplies and siege equipment with just 20 men, crushed Stannis in the field of battle. Nothing bad has happened to Ramsay, nothing. Tywin and Joff suffered tons of problems before they died, Ramsay just gets everything he wants without any trouble, it’s getting seriously stupid now if he beats Jon & Sansa then captures them.

      He has to lose this battle, the Starks need to win.

      Hail to Ramsay Sue, the Villain Sue!

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    204. Nadia,

      But you don’t provide us with any proof for what you are saying. Yours is also a speculation and I would add a dumb one. Even if the scene is before the battle it makes more sense for Sansa to be with Jon than with LF. If she heads to CB there are things for her to do and prove that she is working hard for the Stark cause. This is the only viable way for her. To hang around with LF for the whole season (playing what kind of game?) it is just a waste of her character. The scene with LF was just a scene. It could be a few secs and just a short dialogue. There is no other leak to prove that they have had common scenes except this last one.

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    205. All these speculations are pretty funny, can’t wait for the scene, sounds like it’s going to be one hell of a interaction.
      Sansa and Jon snow meeting is going to be a good scene, first time interacting on the show.
      What makes this spoiler even better is the fact that everyone is trying to wrap there decapitated heads around it, I love it when everyone is clueless ^^
      man it still seems like they are filming like crazy, and December is the last month they film. Really can’t wait for the first trailer ^^

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    206. Nadia,

      How do you know that Sophie hasn’t been at CB filming? That Jon has been seen so many times was because of the interest media had about his “hair” and “death”. That Kit and Sophie has not been spotted at CB doesn’t mean that they haven’t filmed together. If I remember well we haven’t seen neither Davos nor Melissandre at CB. What conclusions can we draw out of it?

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    207. Sue the Fury:
      lucas,

      Well, I didn’t actually specify talking. I said interacting. Usefully vague word.

      Well this just makes me go over all of the wording. A scene with great deal of tension, eh?

      Seeing as that is pretty much a given in any GoT scene, I’m guessing Sue’s hinting at Ramsay’s execution by hanging.

      Makes a lot of sense if Sansa becomes Lady of Winterfell/Queen of the North that “the woman who passes the sentence should kick out the stool,” so to speak. I don’t really see her beheading anyone.

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    208. Lisse,

      Not a Strong Female quota or some shit. But given the show record in which any agency or character development she had (like not kneeling or planning with Dontos her scape) was cut, half of her interactions were about how she’s crying or scared (even with characters she’s not supposed to be scared or where she keeps a neutral face) or and making her even more passive… I think it’s a good question.

      My bets are on she’s with LF totally ok and not questioning why he sold her and marrying Jon after season 6 (or given the Improved Gf Treatment, like they did with Shae and Talisa so Jon could have the wife he deserves).

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    209. Luka Nieto,

      if i had to guess at the closest way this would NOT be bad fan fic is the following, this has to take place AFTER the battle Ramsay is captured and the vale and north are figuring out what to do with prisoners and Ramsay (he wouldnt make a good hostage to roose if he still lives as fat walda carries his new heir).

      id assume sansa is with them as part of the victorious side and that she may cast sentence on Ramsay(and ideally swing the sword) how the giant ties it is i think sadly it will be WUN WUN dead and some how re-animated as a white walker(others have theorized about this as well) and its a crazed reanimated giant they are fighting in this scene.

      now to go full ridiculously tinfoil: i think as much as we don’t want to hear it Ramsay still has a purpose,when they kill him they wont burn him so that he turns into a white walker,as with most of the realm refusing to believe that the white walkers are even real if they can some how “turn him” and tie him up/restrain him and then bring him with them to the south to show the realm that the white walkers are real. people used to not believe in dragons tell Danny started riding one around and burning people,most of the watch didn’t believe in white walkers tell they were attacked by them same of the dire wolves and giants and mammoths. people especially in this time period tend to believe what they can see and tangibly interact with

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    210. Uhm…in the original outline, didn’t Sansa give birth to Joff’s kid and choose him over her family? Maybe GRRM is doing that with Sansa in Winds, having her choose the father of her child over Ramsay, or appear to do so. If Ramsay hunts her down and captures her (Theon getting away, maybe Brienne getting her face chewed in the process) and takes her back to Winterfell, it’s totally possible that the interaction in the courtyard is Jon trying to take her away and her refusing, or at least appearing to refuse, …

      Maybe Ramsay is planning to assassinate Jon during their talk and Sansa knows and she’s actually trying to give Jon the headsup. LF is …I don’t know, sleazing because that’s what he does best. When the talk starts to go bad for Jon, Wun Wun breaks down the door….

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    211. dothrakian raven,

      Jon would never risk her life or if it’s true he goes there with her. Then he’s being reckless. Tormund, Davos, Mel are possible and understandable options.

      While I agree that being LF puppet will be waist for her character and it goes against my theory. If she meet LF on the run, she will tell him everything and then goes to WF again like in season 5.

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    212. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      SlayerNina,

      Good to know you’ve already seen the episode in question.Anything else you can tell us about what happens?

      /sarcasm

      btw – I don’t know if you’ve ever had to face an abuser, but facing down one’s demon, especially when/if it involves some sort of justice being meted out, can, at the very least, be quite cathartic for some.

      If they met before the battle, it means Ramsay was able to arrive to the battle. Not justice there.
      If they met after the battle… What kind of justice would be that.

      Even if Ramsay is killed-justice-karma-blablabla, she just can’t forget how she was raped, how she was used by LF (and everyone) and how she has to marry again to keep her title as a Lady/Regent of the North/Queen/Whatever (if she’s still having it, since she had married twice, or its Boltons’ now or its Lannisters’ because Tyrion is still alive). Unless she’s totally ok with Jon being the King just because. It’s disappointing.

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    213. Also, if LF recaptures Sansa outside WF, what then? LF and the Vale army sit outside WF doing nothing? What does LF do when Roose demands Sansa back, or if Ramsay demands it? Why bother with telling Sansa about Jon at CB? Why does Royce have such little filming? Why does LF appear out of nowhere right after Sansa jumps? Why is Theon, a extermely valuable asset even in his current state let go by LF? Why does Liam Cunningham claim Sansa has a amazing arc if she just ends up being LF’s prawn yet again in WF? What has Sansa got to do?

      She has to go to CB, if they wanted her to stay with LF they would have done so before. As to why she goes back to WF with Jon, she knows LF is there and wants to face Ramsay? Doesn’t want Jon to go alone? There’s plenty of reasons for her to go with Jon. There’s no reason for her to be some pointless character with no payoff yet again with LF.

      Sansa’s character has to have some serious payoff and that starts with her helping Jon.

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    214. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      I think your theory makes more sense, in TV and film some scenes are filmed before others, so I feel like Jon will enter Winterfell with Sansa and LF to try and negotiate or get him out, he refuses and or threatens them (this would back up the tension adjective) and then Wun Wun will break in and something will happen leading into the Battle of the Bastards, WOOO.

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    215. If Sansa runs to Castle Black and tells Jon all of what Ramsey did to her and they march to Winterfell to take it back from Ramsey….on what planet would he LET her come with him inside Winterfell?? Since this scene is before the battle (which makes sense with the giant attacking – to save Jon?), then in theory the Northern armies are not far away.

      Again, on what planet would Jon Snow bring Sansa into Winterfell to face Ramsey with the possibility of war looming?

      It only makes sense if Sansa is there already on there with LF, not just Jon.

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    216. Kilgore Tully:

      Makes a lot of sense if Sansa becomes Lady of Winterfell/Queen of the North that “the woman who passes the sentence should kick out the stool,” so to speak. I don’t really see her beheading anyone.

      Well, a “strong character” here is the one using vagina skills or the one using weapons… That’s why she recived the “needle” necklace with the DarkSansa dress, acording to the costume designer… I can totally see a scenario in which she shows her badassery hanging Ramsay ¬¬

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    217. Edith,

      Javi only actually said:

      It seems that this scene precedes the great battle which we weeks talking about, and which already had lots of data. We talked of the giant who participates in it. The most interesting is to confirm that Sansa and Jon reunite, possibility that was speculation from the outset, and that pinkie will be there, accompanied by troops of the Valley, is to be expected.

      Which sounds more just like his interpretation of Sue’s information rather than a scoop of his own.

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    218. Nymeria Warrior Queen:

      Thanks for that reminder, I do recall that being batted about. The only thing that doesn’t work for the SHOW….is that is not the way that Joff dies. She has a necklace, not a hairnet of poison. So it would be hard to introduce the “prophesy” at this point belonging to Sansa, as there is no build up for it and…not really addressed to you…. but….

      Anyone that thinks that Sansa is going to take down a giant, especially if it IS Wun Wun……well I don’t know what to say. She just barely got verbally defensive last season, I just can’t see her as a warrior princess of Winterfell or anywhere else. /two cents

      I also have a private thought that has been rolling about….and that is that Sansa is……

      Pregnant with Ramsay’s child

      I am not unique in this thought I have read it before…..but that would change things in the shipping department for Sansa and anyone else.

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    219. I suspect that the giant trying to break in may be something to do with what Ramsay does with those crosses before the battle. Maybe Thormund is one of the little presents he leaves out for the approaching army… and after the battle, as Jon and Sansa go to parley with Ramsay, who has locked himself in WF, Wun Wun is going mental outside trying to get in to hulksmash the monster who killed his friend. This is the only option that makes sense to me in the context of what we already know… otherwise I fear I may be heartbroken with other potential possibilities!

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    220. dothrakian raven:
      Geralt of Rivia,

      What if it is Sansa who insists on coming with Jon? Again we do not know exactly the placement of the scene. I am not sure if what L7S claims can be confirmed…

      I only can see that in a scene she’s like “my brother is gonna kick your ass”. O.O

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    221. dothrakian raven,

      What proof? There’s no proof for either except for speculation on what makes sense.

      You’re wrong about filming spoilers. People are obsessed with tracking Kit’s movements, and you think if there was any information about Kit and Sophie filming together it WOULDN’T leak? Case in point – when Sue confirmed Sansa would be at the battle and everyone flipped the f out because it meant Sansa and Jon would be on the battlefield together. So, if there were other instances, you bet people would be obsessed with tracking it down.

      What we do know is that Sansa and LF have another scene together in Winterfell, at a time when Kit was nowhere near.

      Can you explain to me on what planet Jon Snow would take Sansa into Winterfell before a battle? And why on earth would he bring Littlefinger with him if it was totally up to him or he was on his own?

      No one KNOWS what is happening with proof except perhaps Sue. But one can speculate smartly or blindly. Sansa making it all the way on her own to Castle Black in the middle of winter chased by Ramsey’s troops seems virtually impossible. It seems much more likely that Sansa is with Littlefinger – comes to the battlefield with him or before that even.

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    222. How many giants are there, exactly? They left the impression that only one giant boarded the ships leaving Hardhome. Anyway, I guess they only need one giant for this.

      Maybe the Wildlings are amassed outside Winterfell while Jon, Sansa et al are inside…and tense?

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    223. Bearded Onion,

      Exactly this! She escaped with Theon by jumping from the walls. And we know that Theon is at the Iron Islands in the first few episodes. It really does not make any sense that they will just say bye-bye and part to different directions after the jump. Theon would never let her go anywhere without making sure she is safe. The fact that he has gone to IIs without her it can only mean that he made sure that she is in safe hands. The only person around to protect her is Brienne. LF is still at KL or on his way to Vale when Sansa and Theon jump from the walls.

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    224. JCDavis:
      I also have a private thought that has been rolling about….and that is that Sansa is……

      I am not unique in this thought I have read it before…..but that would change things in the shipping department for Sansa and anyone else.

      And where the claim is now? The child inherits the North, she back up because Rickon and Bran are alive, she’s deshinerited because the marriage is valid (but northern lords don’t want a Bolton being their lord) or not valid because she was still married to Tyrion? That’s a good question on the speculation field…

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    225. dothrakian raven:
      Bearded Onion,

      Exactly this! She escaped with Theon by jumping from the walls. And we know that Theon is at the Iron Islands in the first few episodes. It really does not make any sense that they will just say bye-bye and part to different directions after the jump. Theon would never let her go anywhere without making sure she is safe. The fact that he hasgone to IIs without her it can only mean that he made sure that she is in safe hands. The only person around to protect her is Brienne. LF is still at KL or on his way to Vale when Sansa and Theon jump from the walls.

      If Brienne lets Sansa in LF’s hands, she’s more than dumb… And where is Bri, btw?

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    226. Greenjones,

      Correct. This is just his thoughts and interpretation. He’s not actually confirming it takes place before the battle.

      Jessie,

      Being filmed this week, yes. Like we said in the original post.

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    227. Nadia,

      About Sansa entering Winterfell, this could be a false report as people have stated, but there are some possible reasons as to why she would. Sansa may want to her go in with Jon, a simple line could change it all “I want to be there”. Weather it be to show strength or simply to spite Ramsay.

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    228. SlayerNina,

      Facing one’s abuser and seeing some sort of justice (however you want to dismiss it with your “justice-karma-blablabla” quip) does not equal one’s mind being erased. It can, however, lead to the person who was abused regaining at least some feeling of control… a control which was taken from them by the abuser, and thus be a form off empowerment/catharsis. You’re welcome to find the possibility, and it’s only your speculation, you present as disappointing, and if you have been abused, faced your abuser, and did not come away with any sense of what I described, I’m genuinely sorry for you, but if not, I would ask you to please not continue to speak about that which you cannot know.

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    229. SlayerNina,

      Dude I know you love sansa, but it might be time you accept that she is a pun, she is never going to become the badass you want her to be. It is a difficult and cruel word, especially for women in this story, so I don’t understand why you keep complaining soo much. Not every person in fiction or real life gains strength from oppression and abuse to become badass, actually a lot of people who have been victims remain victims, it’s sad but true.

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    230. SlayerNina,

      It occurs to me that Sansa can lie and say she consummated her marriage to Tyrion, thus nullifying the marriage to Ramsay… turning Ramsay and Littleprick into a kidnapper and rapist, respectively. I have no idea why that would matter and what the marriage laws are in Westeros.

      Just a thought.

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    231. Nadia,

      How do you know it is before the battle. Is it confirmed? And even if it is it is also very possible that Sansa comes with Jon because she wants to show both to Ramsay and LF that she is not afraid. Do you remember what she said to Myranda in that bath scene? Do you think that Sansa after meeting her brothers and having helped to reunite the North would not feel as having enough power to confront a beast and a schemer? Well then we are talking about different Sansas. You do no know if Kit and Sophie have or have not filmed together. You have no proof to provide us about Sansa and LF being together except a scene and you keep shouting about the plausibility of your theory… Keep it on!

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    232. Oh dear, firstly I did not say anything was confirmed, I said that TV shows and films shoot scenes in different orders to what they are shown to us, for instant some actors on Game of Thrones have said their first day was something else to what their first on screen scene was, and I don’t think I’ll be commenting on here again, some people seem angry, speculating makes me more excited for the show but don’t allow me to take up anymore of your time.

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    233. dothrakian raven,

      And you have no proof that Sansa goes alllll the way to the Wall in snow and winter with Ramsey behind her… with just Brienne and Pod? Ok, they haven’t been spotted filming together either.

      So you have no proof that Sansa actually does go to the Wall, except for a mention in Season 5? They’re only together at the battle, in that Sophie Turner was spotted filming. It doesn’t mean she’s with him before that. And there is proof she’s filmed with Littlefinger.

      It seems if there’s someone with no evidence or basing their thoughts on PURE speculation it’s you.

      Nothing is “proven” at this point. But it seems really strange given LF’s presence – and the fact that Sansa’s storyline with him is OBVIOUSLY not over – that you aren’t willing to think that maybe she’s not running straight to Jon at the beginning of the season? Especially since no one knows when or how Jon Snow is resurrected on the show, and if it even makes sense for Sansa to be there.

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    234. Anon:
      SlayerNina,

      It occurs to me that Sansa can lie and say she consummated her marriage to Tyrion, thus nullifying the marriage to Ramsay… turning Ramsay and Littleprick into a kidnapper and rapist, respectively.I have no idea why that would matter and what the marriage laws are in Westeros.

      Just a thought.

      Then, it means Tyrion is the Lord of WF now. Not a good sign anyway.

      But in last season Roose didn’t care if she was virgin or not and took her claim, and there weren’t any northern lord to fight against it or refusing it. If they took the book’s style, maybe they can go on “the gods are more important than men, she’s still married to Ramsay”.

      She can be desinherited by both marriages, no matter which one.

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    235. I have to admit the little finger inclusion surprises me. I wonder if littlefingers role has been based a little on Lord Stanley. He switched sides several times during the wars of the roses. He switched sides in the battle of bosworth, when he realised Henry had the upper hand, and that turned the war in Henry’s favour and Richard III was killed. It seems very plausible that he could do the same thing here. Backing Ramsay but then changing allegiances during the battle to back Jon and sansa. Stanley was implicated in the deaths of the princes in the tower and married Henry VII mother. All very “littlefingerish” behaviour!

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    236. Nadia:
      dothrakian raven,

      What proof? There’s no proof for either except for speculation on what makes sense.

      You’re wrong about filming spoilers. People are obsessed with tracking Kit’s movements, and you think if there was any information about Kit and Sophie filming together it WOULDN’T leak? Case in point – when Sue confirmed Sansa would be at the battle and everyone flipped the f out because it meant Sansa and Jon would be on the battlefield together. So, if there were other instances, you bet people would be obsessed with tracking it down.

      What we do know is that Sansa and LF have another scene together in Winterfell, at a time when Kit was nowhere near.

      Can you explain to me on what planet Jon Snow would take Sansa into Winterfell before a battle? And why on earth would he bring Littlefinger with him if it was totally up to him or he was on his own?

      It seems very clear that Sansa is with Littlefinger – comes to the battlefield with him or before that even.

      Firstly, there’s been no news of Kit filming with Liam, Houten, Tormund’s actor or Edd’s actor. You telling me he has no scenes with these people?

      Secondly, we only know Sophie was seen filming there and that LF’s trailer was spotted, do you honestly believe just those 2 would be seen filming together in WF? No Boltons? It’s likely them sharing some scene together in the finale alone on the walls maybe.

      Thirdly, Sansa will know LF is at WF, she won’t trust LF with Jon and she’ll want to face Ramsay likely.

      Lastly, Aiden wasn’t seen on the battlefield while Sophie and kit were and why the hell would she go with LF over her brother?

      And in any case, she’s meant to have some sort of amazing arc. Her being LF’s pawn and doing nothing is shit. She’s going to CB and from there she will help Jon rally the North.

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    237. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

      Sansa was certainly sexually abused. However, I don’t know what sort of sex she expected to have with the son of her mother’s murderer. She knew it wasn’t going to be tender, loving sex – surely. Maybe she thought it would be perfunctory sex?

      I can’t tell if Sansa was swayed by Little-prick’s speech about revenge, or if she knew she was cornered, understood that Little-prick was dangerous and would not be denied. Indeed, he wasn’t asking her to marry Ramsay; he was TELLING her to!

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    238. Lord of Bones,

      Her sister became a FM after… four scenes? Why she can and Sansa not? Her character is not developed at all since season 1. She can be literally replaced with a chair and it didn’t matter. Wait, she developed from an even more spoiled insufferable passive bitch brat (comparing to the books) to just passive and crying on season 2.

      Sansa’s not a badass, she’s not the awesome queen, she’s not but they need to her character something. Seriously, something. Anything other than stand leaving others doing stuff or doing monologues. Doing something for herself, instead of doing something to help Jon.

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    239. kit_hepburn: My suspicion is that Roose is either dead or wherever Walder Frey is (at the Twins maybe).

      Maybe he decided that he didn’t want to risk the life of his and Walda’s unborn child by staying anywhere near Ramsay, and he took Walda to the Twins for safety and for her to be with her family. Let’s hope.

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    240. Way I clan see this happening: during mid/end of battle between Notherners, White Walkers show up and the remaining people into Winterfell. Then a Wight giant shows up.

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    241. Shane:
      Bearded Onion,

      Your last line about Sansa helping Jon rally the north made me think Jon and Sansa will be like Catelyn and Robb, and that’s something sweet.

      When, not if, Arya reunites with them in S7 I expect Arya-Jon-Sansa to be like a dragonless Aegon and his sisters team. Or maybe Bran can fill in the super weapon part. 😉

      I honestly can’t wait for S6 & S7.

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    242. Bearded Onion,

      Me either, the Stark’s have been through hell and back and seeing them finally taking ground and not being push overs would be the greatest thing, also avenging Robb and Catelyn’s cause, but it is Game of Thrones…and I’m not sure I can handle anymore pain being brought upon the remaining Stark’s, and Snow.

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    243. Angelique,
      Sorry, it probably wasn’t obvious but I was being silly, which I do a lot of. I should have stuck a winking face on it to make it clearer. In another thread HPL hoped for a photo like the one you mentioned but with Gwendoline and David in it, so I did a not very good photoshop with the original and was drawing attention to the fact that if you know what to look for it’s clearly been not-very-expertly altered. Thanks for trying to be helpful, though! 😀

      Thronetender, HotPinkLipstick,
      You are both most welcome! 😀 Pinky, is that Woooo doggies or Wooood oggies? I like the sound of it either way!

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    244. Nadia,

      Shhh… it’s OK, it’s OK… we can huddle together in the corner and wonder what’s so *epic* about an arc that involves Sansa running to CB like a scared dove and fighting on Jon’s side from the beginning like a flag/puppet/symbol. Now, being well-placed with Northmen or Valemen around Winterfell on Ramsey’s side and switching allegiances at some point… getting Roose killed in the process…

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    245. Anon: I can’t tell if Sansa was swayed by Little-prick’s speech about revenge, or if she knew she was cornered, understood that Little-prick was dangerous and would not be denied. Indeed, he wasn’t asking her to marry Ramsay; he was TELLING her to!

      I’m going to guess it was a combination of both. While Sansa isn’t one of my favorite characters, I certainly don’t think her dumb the way some seem to think her.

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    246. SlayerNina: Well, a “strong character” here is the one using vagina skills or the one using weapons… That’s why she recived the “needle” necklace with the DarkSansa dress, acording to the costume designer… I can totally see a scenario in which she shows her badassery hanging Ramsay ¬¬

      Any woman who kills in Game of Thrones is a “badass” in my book, regardless of how they do it. But that’s not even the issue! I’m not making my guess with Sansa’s character development in mind, one way or another. Just speculating that Ramsay will be hanged based on the use of the word “tension,” and that a reason to hang him instead of behead him (as you’d expect from the Starks) could be to give Sansa the honors. Do you think she’d do any better than Theon with decapitation?

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    247. Sansa could use Valayrian steel to behead Ramsay, Theon used a small sword while VS is meant to be very light and extremely sharp.

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    248. JCDavis: You are one of the saner voices around here!!

      Ok, now that’s a really scary thought! 🙂

      SlayerNina,

      It could be both…she could do something to help herself which also helps Jon…who knows. While it isn’t much, she did something to help herself by taking that corkscrew and getting herself out of that room. Yes, she ran into Miranda, and Theon had to kill her, but that led to the jump, and if she hadn’t taken that corkscrew and freed herself from the room in which she was locked, she may still be locked in there. Also, while Westeros is a fictional world with fictional characters, even in real life, those who are able to face their abusers and find some sort of justice are helped by many…the Police, the ADA, the Judge…so acting completely alone is not the only way one can help themselves.

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    249. Maybe it’s a parlay and then the WW come, and everyone outside the gates tries to get in? Sorry if that’s been suggested, didn’t read all 355 responses 🙂

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    250. Ok sensible guess at what might be going on if this happens before the fighting. Jon and Sansa have rallied the North to their cause and for some reason decide to try and talk Ramsay into surrendering rather than engaging in a battle which could kill hundreds or even thousands of men needed for the fight against the WWs. Sounds like the sort of thing Jon might do, although who knows what changes to his personality may have occurred since, well, being dead? J and S go to WF and give R an ultimatum, surrender to us before whatever deadline or we’ll attack WF, then leave. R, being the crazy person he is, says get stuffed and

      displays the two figures on crosses we’ve already heard about

      to show his utter defiance of J and S’s terms. Deadline passes, cue massive battle.

      Don’t know where LF fits into this, he might be trying to do some deal with R behind the others’ backs when they show up, part of their negotiating team, had a jet pack malfunction and just landed at R’s feet. I dunno. I just want Ramsay and Littlefinger to go down and go down HARD! And giant stomping action. Don’t know why there’s a giant at the door, don’t care either as long as he’s gonna stomp things 😀

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    251. Lyanna_Targaryen:
      You know what I mean. Good triumphs over evil despite the terrible horrible no good very bad odds.

      I think I know what you intended to mean, LT. But the ending of LotR (in the book, not the film), with the scouring of the Shire, Frodo’s lost soul, Samwise’s proliferation, and the sea journey ahead, was the definition of bittersweet. I guess I have a hard time seeing ASoI&F as a “good triumphs over evil” story.

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    252. After Ramsay wins the battle he takes longclaw from Jon, he beheads Jon and then drives the sword through Sansa (his nisa nisa) and becomes azor ahai.

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    253. Am I the only person who doesn’t want to see Sansa or Jon kill Ramsay?

      I really really really really really (did I mention really?) want it to be Theon. Preferably right after Ramsay calls him Reek and he screams back, stabbing Ramsay all the way, “MY NAME IS THEON GRAYJOY.”

      That would be symmetry.

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    254. After Ramsay wins the battle, he takes longclaw for himself, beheads Jon, and drives the sword through Sansa (his nisa nisa) and becomes azor ahai finally ready to battle the whitewalkers having eliminated all threats south of the wall.

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    255. Ramsay Bolton:
      After Ramsay wins the battle he takes longclaw from Jon, he beheads Jon and then drives the sword through Sansa (his nisa nisa)and becomes azor ahai.

      Check your emails, I could see D & D hiring you.

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    256. Bearded Onion:
      Sansa could use Valayrian steel to behead Ramsay, Theon used a small sword while VS is meant to be very light and extremely sharp.

      Sharpness helps in cutting things, but when you are chopping something wider than the blade the resistance comes from the thick of the blade having to separate what the edge has cut (I keep my Shun knives crazy sharp; still have to put bodyweight into chopping butternut squash). Lightness makes a sword easier to wield, but also limits the force of the blow; one still has to be very strong to move a light blade fast enough to make up for the heft of a heavier blade.

      But I don’t think strength is the issue; it’s skill. It takes a lot of practice to swing a sword with accuracy and to have the edge strike at the right angle. Theon’s problem wasn’t his sword, it’s that that was the first time he killed with a sword.

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    257. SlayerNina,

      Tyrion as lord of Winterfell might be an improvement over Ramsay, especially since he’s gone missing. I think Ramsay was eager to “put a baby in her”, as they say, to cement his claim, knowing that the marriage alone wouldn’t be enough.

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    258. Greenjones:
      Edith,

      Javi only actually said:

      Which sounds more just like his interpretation of Sue’s information rather than a scoop of his own.

      I find it incredibly hard to believe anything this guy says. He just seems inaccurate to me on every front. Didn’t he report that Ellaria was at the ToJ? And he keeps insisting “pinkie” is at the Battle even though no one on this site has confirmed LF/Vale troops at the battle (hell, their banners aren’t even in the pictures we’ve seen)? I don’t know, maybe its just me but I take his reporting with a boulder of salt.

      Side note: has anyone even SEEN Vale troops? Like, have there been sightings of Vale men? Why are we so certain LF brings Vale men with him? Just because that was his plan doesn’t mean it actually happens.

      Hodors Bastard:
      Moon tea, anyone? All this talk of Ramsay’s sperm monster makes me thirsty!

      LMFAO!!! Bravo, Bravo! *Claps hands* Gold fucking star for you!

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    259. Such exciting news !
      I’m so Hype for the Northern storyline this year !

      If L7R are only speculating about when that scene occures, then I still guess it’s after the battle and it’s actually Ramsay’s execution. Why not kill him on the Battlefield ?

      I agree with Nadia that Jon would not bring Sansa at the battle while LF totally would. And there has been several proven extras who said Aidan Gillen was indeed on set during the Battle of six armies.
      If it’s not Jon but Sansa , with the Vale army, who wins the battle, I can see her deny the entry into Winterfell to the wildings and a freaking Giant.

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    260. ladywolfsbane: Is there ANY spoilers, conformation, picture, or accidental misspoken line that leads us to believe that Sansa is

      AFAIK, there is no confirmation yet as to who is on whose side in the Big Skirmish in the North. So far, there just seems to be very urgent wishful thinking as to what exactly goes down. 😉 As for me, I am still thinking that after the big jump from the walls in Season 5, Sansa is found by Pod/Brienne, and she orders Brienne to take her back to LF. As far as Sansa knows, dearest LF was totally ignorant of how nasty Ramsay is. She would feel safer with LF who rescued her from KL and from Mad Aunt Lysa, than go even further north to something uncertain.

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    261. Abyss: Ramsay is a monster, but he is also a skilled warrior and could be of great use.

      According to book canon, Ramsay is a skilled hunter (with the help of a large pack of dogs), but as far as I can recall we get no indication that he’s much of a warrior when his adversary isn’t tied down. He isn’t even physically fit. So to turn him into an unlikely war hero takes his arc seriously off-book, it seems to me.

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    262. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Ah, very cool. I think I misunderstood your original comment. 🙂 I think the ultimate homage that GRRM will direct toward Tolkien, besides many symbolic gestures, is that his story will have a bittersweet ending.

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    263. Felt Pelt: In what way could Sansa slay a giant, as prophecy foretold?

      A) crossbow
      B) Littlefinger orders his soldiers to protect/avenge her
      C) Jon does the same
      D) slamming a drawbridge
      E) poison
      F) cutting remarks

      Or, if it’s Wun Wun and not some anonymous “bad” giant, they could go for a cheesy “‘Twas beauty killed the beast” twist, a la King Kong falling for Fay Wray or Grawp for Hermione in the Potter books.

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    264. Firannion,

      He’s described in the books as a competent but unrefined fighter, never formally taught but aggressive enough to make up for it. So he’s not legendary or anything, but could probably hold his own in a battle.

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    265. Nadia:
      JON WOULD NOT TAKE SANSA WITH HIM TO RAMSEY IN WINTERFELL.

      He would if the writers want her in that scene (that was how she got to Winterfell in Season 5 too).

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    266. Kay,

      I don’t know what *epic* thing Sansa will do. But we should be able to predict with some additional spoilers that she is

      for some reason separated from Theon. Theon is then maybe reunited with his sister (because this is TV and characters need other characters to talk to in a visual medium).

      Who does Sansa get paired with next? If she DOESN’T go to CB and become a pretty northern puppet/ prop to Jon Snow’s arc.. which I think is very pointless…

      I dunno, do Sansa and Theon make it to “Manderly”, does she grab Rickon, rally the North and steal Davos’s storyline? Does she find Littlefinger, and do a shortened Davos storyline, all the while playing Littlefinger, because she’s going to turn on Ramsey later (and LF won’t know/understand why?) Does she just get recaptured, after sending Theon to redeem himself by rallying Manderly for her? Does Sansa meet Melisandre? Where the hell is Melisandre going to be anyway?

      *epic* is NOT just running to CB. Even running to CB, telling Jon about his brothers and bringing the wildlings down upon Winterfell isn’t epic. Jon doesn’t need more characters up there to interact with anyway – in fact he may have too many as it is.

      This is season 5 all over again… need to put a bell on that girl….

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    267. I think putting too much emphasis on what the actors say is probably asking for disappointment, since they’re trying to promote the show and we have no idea what their idea of ‘epic’ is and if it correlates with each person’s own ideas.

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    268. Firannion,

      Of course he is a skilled warrior. Even Roose Bolton admits that (in the books, for that matter), even though he doesn’t like him.

      Ramsay is ferocious, I will grant you, but he swings that sword like a butcher hacking meat.

      Now does he have finesse as a fighter? No, not really, but he is a smart tactician, pretty fearless and skilled at different arms.
      And that’s from the books. In the show we see him fighting the Iron born and sent them runnig, successfully hi-jack the camp of Stannis and meating and beating the rest of Stannis’ army on the battlefield. Ramsay definitively knows how to fight.

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    269. Sean C.,

      Eh given how adamant you were in discounting anything that brought up LF or the Vale before or during this battle, I’m going to go ahead and point out that you might want to consider the possibility that you’re wrong, since you are.

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    270. I think the only way the characters within Winterfell would need to fight off a giant breaking down the gate after the battle is if the White Walkers have arrived and raised the dead armies. If this were so and the gate does open, it seems incredibly unlikely that anyone inside the castle could survive if the wights gain entrance; they would simply be overwhelmed.

      It seems more likely that this scene happens before the big battle, and could very well lead directly into it. Why would Ramsay and his army leave the relative safety of Winterfell to go out and fight the northern armies? He did so against Stannis but they were fatigued and hindered by his 20 good men, whereas it’s likely the Northerners will not suffer these same losses. Perhaps the sides agree to meet before the battle, and under the flag of truce Jon, Littlefinger, and Sansa enter Winterfell with some men, possibly to include Tormund, Davos, Edd, Melisandre (or anyone else that could be nearby). Discussions don’t go well and fighting ensues, with some of those characters being captured. The main characters among those – namely Jon, Sansa, and Littlefinger – are rescued by Wun Wun and flee out to the army. Ramsay, in his wrath and not realizing the true strength of the Northern army, sets his army after them, and places two of Jon’s fellow counsellors upon the crosses as they march out. Then the battle takes off from there, with Ramsay’s forces being on the offense against the Northerners who need to rally quickly under Jon and Sansa’s leadership.

      Alternate: If Littlefinger arrives to Winterfell earlier in the season to find Sansa and she is not there, the same could still happen. First, we see Littlefinger out of his element for a short while as his plans did not go as expected and Roose and Ramsay won’t be happy. When the negotiations come, however, he sees Sansa, and in the giant’s distraction, could either ride out with the Vale forces behind Ramsay (either on his side or to betray him on the field) or could very well remain in a now-empty Winterfell with everyone else fighting outside, only to find the gates closed and a new self-proclaimed Warden of the North.

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    271. There was discussion a while back regarding where and how Jon gets his Stark amor. This answers that question. Definitely before the battle.

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    272. Nadia,

      Where was I “adamant” about that? There simply has not been any hard evidence placing the Valemen at the battle to date, and we’ve heard a decent amount about it at this point. I never said it was impossible, merely that we hadn’t gotten any indications as such. Littlefinger’s whole plot has been one of the bigger question marks this season, due to how little information we have about it.

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    273. Oh wow, sounds interesting

      So many theories, eg who holds Winterfell, whose side is LF nominally on (probably playing both either way), is Sansa there as a captive or no?

      Is this before or after Snowbowl

      Personally I’m willing to bet before

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    274. watcher in the brothel: something tells me littlefinger will choose the right side, betray the boltons and possibly deliver ramsay to jon/sansa.

      I can see Littlefinger stabbing Ramsay in the back when he sees which way the wind is blowing. Always a good improvisor.

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    275. Firannion,

      If he’s got the Valemen with him (and he should), Littlefinger should easily outnumber either side in this battle. But if the show is adhering at all to its prior characterization the Vale’s forces, they should be expecting to join the Starks, so he shouldn’t really have much option to choose sides (and anyway, he want Sansa for his own).

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    276. Sean C.: He would if the writers want her in that scene (that was how she got to Winterfell in Season 5 too).

      LOL this is it in a nutshell. If it’s necessary for them to do to condense and move the story along, so be it. However we howl won’t matter. I just can’t believe we have to wait 5 more months to see even the beginning of the story.

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    277. ::peeks into thread after being away for hours:: ? I see there’s been some lively discussion. The optimist in me wants to believe Sansa enters WF with Jon. The pessimist in me is preparing myself for the possibility that she is once again Littlefinger’s pawn and she goes to WF with him.

      On a slightly different note, just thinking of Jon Snow back in Winterfell gives me all kinds of feels. Along with him donning the Stark armor, this news has got me fangirling all over the place. If the Stark/Winterfell theme is playing as he re-enters his family home, I may just pass out with joy.

      I just had another thought: where the hell is Ghost during this parlay?

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    278. I would also add, Sansa going to LF perhaps helps (in ways we don’t understand) dovetail with some of the book plot. They’ve gone off the books for her Season 4 story, but if all that time GRRM is having her spend with LF is relevant – and she still is with him – and they have to get somewhere together for another round of developments, it makes the most sense to bring them back together.

      I doubt Sansa’s story is tied up with Jon’s so immediately in the books. I think there’s almost no way she runs to a reanimated Jon Snow at the Wall and have him have a Stark reunion when he comes back to life. Now, D&D don’t have to stick to the books, but if Sansa’s future storyline is connected more to LF than to Jon – even if she fights on the same side as Jon in this battle – it makes sense that she goes back with him in some ways.

      After all, even if the North wins this battle, I don’t think Sansa and Jon are staying together.

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    279. Beremir: could very well remain in a now-empty Winterfell with everyone else fighting outside, only to find the gates closed and a new self-proclaimed Warden of the North

      Hmmm, just picking up on this possibility for fun and carrying out a thought process, how familiar is he with the layout of Winterfell and the crypts? I know Littlefinger appeared mysteriously behind Sansa in the Winterfell Crypts in the episode where they discussed Lyanna and Rhaegar, which shows he has some knowledge of the layout of the crypts. But would he have any further knowledge of all the secret passages, like the ones Maester Luwin mentioned to Theon when he was trying to convince Theon to escape and go join the NW?

      I don’t really think this is going to happen, not even LF is that audacious. Just thinking it out.

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    280. Sansa, as a character, needs to shit or get off the pot. Seriously. Enough with “who will save/rescue/take in/enable/do the bidding of….” her.

      Sansa needs to save herself, or she may as well be killed off and give more time to other storylines. She doesn’t necessarily need to kill people (maybe), doesn’t necessarily need to instantaneously develop weaponry skills, doesn’t need to suddenly become a master manipulator or badass conniving bitch.

      She just needs to rescue herself. Keeping the corkscrew after picking the lock would have been a start. Does she need help? Of course. But she has to then stop being helpless, and be part of her own direction.

      Both GRRM and D&D need to provide a reason that Sansa has been given more of a main character status besides being a hostage or token bride or fluttery tummy, or give it up.

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    281. BunBunStark,

      I’d like to think that if Sansa goes back to LF, she’s not just going to be his pawn, as much as I wish she was done with him. But she’s not. Still, I think it won’t be the same relationship as before. Or maybe LF will think it is, but I think Sansa will be wiser to it.

      I want the Stark reunion with all my heart, but I don’t think Sansa and Jon are going to STAY reunited.

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    282. RhymesWithWeak:
      I wonder if GRRM has Jon, Sansa, Ramsay, and Littlefinger in the same scene…who gets the POV in that scenario?

      Maybe none of them. Bran will be observing the “parley” from the ancient tree nearby.

      Actually, you bring up a great point. As more and more characters interact in larger groups, who will be the PoV for those meetings?

      I am really looking forward to Brienne I…or Jaime I…or Mother Mercy I…in TWoW!

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    283. Anon:
      SlayerNina,

      It occurs to me that Sansa can lie and say she consummated her marriage to Tyrion, thus nullifying the marriage to Ramsay… turning Ramsay and Littleprick into a kidnapper and rapist, respectively.I have no idea why that would matter and what the marriage laws are in Westeros.

      Ramsay doesn’t need Sansa to lie about Tyrion to be “turned into a rapist.” He’s just a rapist, period.

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    284. Telperion,

      Within the legal code of the time, he wouldn’t be a rapist if she was his wife, strictly speaking. But I don’t really see the point — Jon (or whoever) doesn’t lack for reasons to kill Ramsay, so Sansa lying about that doesn’t gain her anything, and it would mean she’s stuck married to Tyrion, whereas if Ramsay gets killed she’s a widow as far as everybody is concerned.

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    285. My guess: Episode 10. They are there to accept Ramsey’s surrender after Boltgaryenbowl. But he still holds a card or two (what, I don’t know).

      However, the people Ramsey flayed on the crosses are Tormund and Davos. Wun Wun saw this before the battle. So when he catches sight of Ramsey, he decides Ramsey can’t live. In the chaos, Littlefinger dies at Wun Wun’s hand and Ramsey will escape, dragging Sansa along with him to the Dreadfort.

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    286. Joseph Nobles,

      Not bad. I agree with you prediction in everything but the Ramsay kidnapping Sansa part. I don’t see her (again!) as a helpless hostage. Not at this point. In fact, I see Wun Wun killin Ramsay and Littlefinger escaping, without Sansa.

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    287. How about when Wun Wun attacks, Ramsay grabs LF’s dagger and shoves it in Sansa before Jon can kill him. Sansa dies in Jon’s arms. Sad music plays.

      I can make this a dead Sansa in every scenario 😉

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