New Photos from Game of Thrones Season 7, Episode 2: “Stormborn”

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HBO has officially released a batch of photos from the upcoming new episode of Game of Thrones, the second of the seventh season. The episode will be titled “Stormborn,” a name often applied to Daenerys due to her stormy birth at Dragonstone. But this new collection of photos features the Starks far more than the Dragon Queen, as you’ll see!

Above, in a photo released in the pre-season flurry, we see Arya (Maisie Williams) is still on the move after her run-in with the band of Lannister soldiers in the season premiere. Behind her is a stony building that might be an inn. Could this be the Inn of the Crossroads, as many have speculated, or is it another location in Westeros?

In the next photo, we see that Jon Snow (Kit Harington) and Davos Seaworth (Liam Cunningham) have saddled up and are heading out of Winterfell. Starks soldiers are joining them for the ride.

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In the next photo, Samwell Tarly (John Bradley) accompanies Archmaester Ebrose (Jim Broadbent) among the stacks of the Citadel. Hey, it’s better than his jobs last Sunday! And yes, HBO did label this photo “Archmaester Ebrose” for the photo credits, so that debate is definitely laid to rest.

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Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen, Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister, Gemma Whelan as Yara Greyjoy, and Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand meet in the war room at Dragonstone. I’m looking forward to this scene, as the combination of power players promises a crackling good time.

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Littlefinger (Aidan Gillen) is haunting the crypts again, only it’s with Jon Snow (Harington) this time. Behind them is a woman’s monument- Lyanna’s or another Stark woman’s? What does snaky Baelish have to say? Nothing good, judging by Jon’s reaction to him in the episode 2 trailer.

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Sansa (Sophie Turner) is glowering from the walks of Winterfell once again, with that terrible wig. Watching Jon leave, perhaps?

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This image comes from HBO.com, showing more of Jon and Littlefinger in the crypts. King Jon is not amused:

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What image intrigues you all the most this week?

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    1. The rest of the building looks a bit different, but the door of the inn is certainly the same as the one from the Inn at the Crossroads.

      I have been looking forward to see all the Targaryen crew planning together in the same room since the season finale last year, or actually, probably long before then. I feared the season would be too fast-paced to allow for it, so we’d never get to see Yara and Dany interact again, at least until they reunite, if they do; the same goes for Ellaria and Tyrion, Tyrion and Olenna, and Daenerys and Varys. They all have pending conversations! And just generally all of them, talking together. It’s such a curious group of people —Daenerys, Missandei, Grey Worm, Tyrion, Varys, Yara, Theon, Olenna and Ellaria (and the Sand Snakes, though they don’t seem to feature in this scene.)

      I haven’t looked forward to a Small Council / War Planning meeting this much in so many years — and I’m one of those who loves each and every one of those scenes, and wants even more of them.

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    2. I don’t have my maps down, but wouldn’t the inn at the crossroads be in the riverlands somewhere? I am thinking it should not be that far from the farm where the brotherhood without banners stayed in the last episode…but very little if any snow in the photo

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    3. Did anyone notice that Sansa’s hair this season is identical to Cersei’s hair from earlier seasons? They really seem to be pushing this Sansa/Cersei thing now.

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    4. Sorry to be that person but pleaseeeeeeeee people cover spoilers, even small speculation based on something you know LOLOL

      I WANT TO PARTICIPATE in this chat hahahaha:

      Reaction:

      Having only seen one trailer… and only a couple times… and having not seen the preview… to answer Sue’s question:

      “What image intrigues you all the most this week?”

      UMMMM THAT LAST PIC
      Jon looks like he wants to punch LF
      What is he saying to him?!!??!?!?!?!?1
      SDFGHJIN^F&YBUNO

      Also… why is Jon leaving so soon.. Ughhh WAIT FOR BRAN, IT IS KNOWN

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    5. Looking forward to the Littlefinger scene. I’m hoping Sam’s letter is as fast as Varys and that’s why Jon’s leaving.

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    6. I predict Hotpie at the inn, Nymeria in the woods, and Gendry (bastard? heir to the stormlands) forging steel in king’s landing…

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    7. We haven’t even seen Jon and Littlefinger speak to each other yet have we… So the first time we ever see them talk (probably) Jon chokes him… Pretty much like Ned.

      Daenerys’ war council meeting is going to be great! As I mentioned in another thread, that will be a room full of women accustom to being in charge — yet they are supposed to be supporting Daenerys as queen. Interesting words should be spoken. 🙂

      We’ve seen progressively better angles of that shot of Arya on her horse by a building. Each one seems to add more proof that it is the Inn at the Crossroads. It is right in her path as of the premiere as well being halfway between The Twins and King’s Landing.

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    8. EW lists the Dany photo as a “meeting with Ellaria Sand, which is interesting because the preview shows Yara advising Dany.

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    9. Luka Nieto:
      The rest of the building looks a bit different, but the door of the inn is certainly the same as the one from the Inn at the Crossroads.

      I have been looking forward to see all the Targaryen crew planning together in the same room since the season finale last year, or actually, probably long before then. I feared the season would be too fast-paced to allow for it, so we’d never get to see Yara and Dany interact again, at least until they reunite, if they do; the same goes for Ellaria and Tyrion, Tyrion and Olenna, and Daenerys and Varys. They all have pending conversations! And just generally all of them, talking together. It’s such a curious group of people —Daenerys, Missandei, Grey Worm, Tyrion, Varys, Yara, Theon, Olenna and Ellaria (and the Sand Snakes, though they don’t seem to feature in this scene.)

      I haven’t looked forward to a Small Council meeting this much in years — and I’m one of those who loves each and every one of those scenes, and wants even more of them.

      “I feared the season would be too fast-paced to allow for it, so we’d never get to see Yara and Dany interact again, at least until they reunite, if they do”

      The preview shows they do

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    10. Dee Stark:
      I also cant wait to see Dany with Yara, Ellaria, Olenna, Tyrion, Varys!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Probably the scene I’m looking forward to the most. And believe me, there’s some amazing stuff coming this episode. Still, I love these political scenes around a table with so many main characters together. They’re just so dynamic.

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    11. Dee Stark,

      Lol, yup. it’s scary for sure, but maybe they’re just teasing that she’ll end up like Cersei, but IF she reunites with her family then it may pull her back from the brink.

      Now, if we start to see Sansa clutching a goblet full of wine every time we see her, then, hell yea, we ALL need to be scared

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    12. Jack Bauer 24:
      EW lists the Dany photo as a “meeting with Ellaria Sand, which is interesting because the preview shows Yara advising Dany.

      It does in the way that we see AND hear Yara speaking, but we see the rest of them there as well

      along with the back of Olenna seated at the table.

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    13. Dee Stark,

      In the last pic, Jon seems very annoyed at what LF is saying… Probably some half truth in the form of a veiled insult. I just hope that Jon doesn’t hurt my dear LF too much!!! 😀 😀 😀

      I’m very excited about Dany’s Small Council… and I think I might have a clue about Euron’s gift to Cersei…

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    14. hmmm… My Stromborn thoughts are:

      Lyanna Stark (Jon’s Mother) and Catelyn Stark (Sansa and Arya’s Mother) will be mentioned at least a few times.

      Queen Daenerys the Mother of Dragons will talk about her grown up babies.

      Euron delivers his gift to Queen Cercei leading to Queen Cercei and Jamie taking a moment to reflect on the past.

      Your guess what actually happens in Stormborn is as good as mine and probably better because all I know for sure is that sooner or later there will be another huge epic battle and in Stormborn they are probably all getting ready to have some fun.

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    15. Lmao Jon looks so over Littlefinger in that last picture. Same Jon. Same.

      If Arya is at the Inn then that means HOT PIE IS RETURNING!

      Surprised we don’t have any Cersei/Jaime photos this episode.

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    16. A Dornish Tyrell,

      Thats a good guess. I think that maybe Jon is looking at Ned’s tomb while Littlefinger is yapping at him about how he wished he could’ve done more to help Ned or something like that. Jon sees through his BS, grabs him and asks WHY he didn’t do more.

      Meh, something like that.

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    17. Daenerys’ advisors are a funny bunch.

      Ellaria and Olenna = enemy houses for years.
      Ellaria and Tyrion = she murdered his innocent niece (I wonder if Tyrion will comment on this).
      Olenna and Tyrion = framed him for a murder he didn’t commit.
      Yara/Theon and Tyrion = enmity between their houses since the Greyjoy rebellion.

      It should be a fun scene.

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    18. Jenny:
      You guys we are four days away from Jon chokes Littlefinger day!!Can’t wait!

      And that say will be glorious lol.
      I am looking forward to pretty much all the scenes, Team Targaryen, Arya, North, KL and Oldtown.

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    19. Luka Nieto,

      omg Luka. thanks for the HYPE!!!!!!!!!!
      I am so excited, like you for that scene, and for the overhype you just gave me 🙂 WOO

      Mr Derp,

      HAHA so true, will have to keep an eye out for that

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    20. Maaaaan, wish HBO would give us some fresh shots- these are all the same as before but perhaps from a different angle 🙄

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    21. Mr Derp,

      It is concerning… But I really hope they don’t go in that direction. Having Sansa as a Cersei 2.0 would be like “repeating a character” (similarly if they make Jon a Ned 2.0). If she’s able to use what she’s learned from Cersei but in a distinctive way (in her own way), I’ll be happier.

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    22. Dee Stark:
      I also cant wait to see Dany with Yara, Ellaria, Olenna, Tyrion, Varys!!!!!!!!!!!!

      No doubt! They spoke about characters coming together and reuniting this season. This will be the first big union of a bunch of bigger ones. Daenerys, Tyrion, Missandei, Grey Worm, Varys, Yara, Theon, Olenna, Ellaria…. nine of them in one room at the same time!

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    23. I’m really looking forward to seeing LF and Jon finally interact. We’ve seen them far apart on the same battlefield, and LF standing off at the side observing the reactions of the different lords and ladies during council scenes, but they haven’t actually spoken a word to each other on screen yet. So that will be great to watch.

      Jon is very much like Ned, and I wonder how much LF will take that into consideration – probably a lot. BUT, unlike Ned, Jon doesn’t have someone telling him to trust LF; Sansa has explicitly told him not to trust LF. I don’t imagine they’ll have a friendly conversation given LF wants Jon out of the way and Jon knows it was LF who brokered the Sansa-Ramsay marriage.

      I really, really hope that is Lyanna’s statue – even if he just looks up at it thinking she’s his aunt.

      I do think the images of Jon on a horse and Sansa on the walkway are probably from the same scene. I take it Sam’s raven has made it to Winterfell and Jon has decided to make for the mountain of dragonglass.

      Also looking forward to the Daenerys Council scene at Dragonstone. Gemma and Emilia have great chemistry, and it will be fabtastic to see them share another scene. Slightly more awkward will be the encounter between Tyrion and Ellaria, given the latter murdered Myrcella. I wonder if that will be referenced at all, or if Tyrion will have no idea who carried out his niece’s murder. It is a real hotch-potch of characters coming from very different places, and this scene has the potential to be a real classic.

      Arya – this does look a lot like the Inn at the Crossroads, and I will be crossing my fingers for Hot Pie! In Dragonstone, there was a side to Arya we haven’t seen since she parted from Hot Pie and Gendry. Seeing her laugh with people close to her in age.

      Sam looks a bit happier in this picture than he was in Dragonstone, and I’m excited that we seem to be seeing more of him this season.

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    24. Dee Stark,

      It’s only so that she looks the part when she recreates Cersei’s “power is power” scene with Littlefinger, but this time letting the soldiers finish the job.

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    25. Dee Stark: I think the gift will be Ellaria… but where is he going to get her if she is in Dragonstone now?!?!

      I imagine it would be AFTER they “start” if so, or after whatever decisions they make at their war council.

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    26. Clob: I imagine it would be AFTER they “start” if so, or after whatever decisions they make at their war council.

      The naval battle is at night. This scene is during the day.

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    27. A Dornish Tyrell,
      Hee hee ! Or a complete truth dressed as a visible insult… And the infamous “quick tempers, slow minds” line may be spoken again 😉
      Baelish and Jon are obviously in the crypts so they are talking about either Ned or Lyanna. Should be very, very interesting !

      I cannot wait for Daenerys’s small council; there is an excellent selection of characters in there, with good wit and insight. If the conversation revolves around Cersei (as it probably should), the Sands, Olenna and Tyrion’s comments should be gold.

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    28. Flayed Potatoes:

      Surprised we don’t have any Cersei/Jaime photos this episode.

      Except for the one of the map room at DS, the other photos are all old ones we have seen before right? They are being stingy with these, aren’t they. Of course a Cersei/Jaime pic would probably look exactly like it has for more than a season now, Cersei smirking and Jaime in angst, standing behind..

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    29. ACME: And the infamous “quick tempers, slow minds” line may be spoken again

      If he does say that line, I will literally scream with joy!!! 🙂

      ACME: I cannot wait for Daenerys’s small council; there is an excellent selection of characters in there, with good wit and insight. If the conversation revolves around Cersei (as it probably should), the Sands, Olenna and Tyrion’s comments should be gold.

      Oh yes!!!

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    30. Aside from anger toward Ellaria, I’d imagine Tyrion will be battling feelings of guilt regarding Myrcella’s death. That is, if it is even a point the show tackles.

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    31. Mr Derp,

      Yes, I have seen mention of the Sansa/Cersei similarities in the media. Is this something that fans are noticing or is it being pushed into the media by the show? I don’t really think her hair is too similar to Cersei’s . I think Margery and Mel have had the same hair-dos. I am trying to figure out if this is something that is show canon or just speculation.

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    32. Reckon the crypt scene goes like:

      Baelish: “You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ”

      Jon: “Whatever you want…”

      Baelish: Grab them by the p***y. You can do anything.”

      Jon: Why you little…!

      [Violence ensues]

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    33. I am confused on something. Is Sam sending the letter to the Wall or Winterfell? Did he find out that Jon was killed and resurrected offscreen? Or is he still under the impression Jon is Lord Commander?

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    34. Jack Bauer 24: The naval battle is at night. This scene is during the day.

      What the hell does that have to do with it? When I said “after” I didn’t mean immediately following the council in the hallway or something… I was saying they have their meeting, decide what they’re all going to do and perhaps Ellaria leaves Dragonstone. They’re obviously not all just going to sit on an island the whole season. They have to go to the mainland or sail elsewhere around Westeros to actually, you know, fight a war.

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    35. Jon and LF in the crypts…I wonder if he’s telling Jon of his real lineage. Could he have gotten word from the Wall (Bran)? Has he known all along?

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    36. Sansa’s wig looks good to me. I think the worst wigs on the show have been Bran’s followed by Dany’s. The best wigs: Cesei’s, Sansa’s, and Margery’s- in that order.

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    37. orange,

      We don’t know yet.He probably knows.After all Cersei does.Even if he doesn’t he’ll send the letter to the Wall.Edd will send it to Jon.

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    38. I must be the only person who doesn’t have a problem with Sansa’s wig.

      Totally want the Jon and Little finger in the Crypt scene. I am SO INTERESTED in that. The character goal for Jon this year is going to be to learn the lessons Sansa told him he needed to — to not be stupid like Ned and Robb. How he deals with Littlefinger is going to be everything in that trajectory.

      also Arya. Arya’s whole storyline descent into murderous revenge and (hopefully) back out is so good.

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    39. Why is Ellaria wearing that costume? she is dressing up just like Oberyn and Doran Martell…

      Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE Michele Clapton, I think she is a genius, however, I am getting a little bit frustrated with some of the costumes this year.
      Sansa, Danerys, Cersei and Ellaria have thrown away their beautiful flowy gowns and now are wearing more masculin clothing to look “powerful and strong”, I Don’t get it, if there is something we have learnt from GRR Martin’s characters (and history itself) is that “feminine” women can be as strong and badass as “masculine” women.

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    40. orange,

      That and why Jon send the wildlings to man Eastwatch by the Sea? As KitN, he shouldn’t have any prerogative over the NW’s castles and territory (I mean, I’m sure Edd would have no problems with his friend’s decision… still, it seems a little odd this sudden interference with the NW’s affairs without their participation.)

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    41. redemily,

      it doesn’t bother me either! I think it looks fine.

      I meant to comment though Dany’s wig looks amazing this year… its more white than yellow which is amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing

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    42. Behind them is a woman’s monument- Lyanna’s or another Stark woman’s?

      Alba Stark:

      I really, really hope that is Lyanna’s statue – even if he just looks up at it thinking she’s his aunt.

      I don’t know if they have ever mentioned this on the show, but the Stark tradition was to bury their family in the crypts, but only have statues made of the King of Winter/Lord of Winterfell. Ned went against this and not only made one for his father, but for Brandon and Lyanna too. So I’m assuming that Lyanna is the only female statue in the crypts, at least near the most logical place Jon would go – to Ned.

      And, since we know that that’s his mother, it’s very poetic to have him stand there, maybe even reference her in some way? I don’t think the writers would pass that up, I know I wouldn’t 🙂

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    43. A Dornish Tyrell,

      I can see why anyone would think that Jon is overstepping his bounds by sending men to man the wall without permission from the NW, but I doubt Edd would be too broken up that Jon sent him some backup to help out. Afterall, the NW only have a handful of members remaining.

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    44. Mr Derp,

      Hmm I don’t see it that way at all.
      Jon as LC was requesting help in season 5 from the houses… so Jon knows that the wall needs the help…

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    45. John No:
      I don’t have my maps down, but wouldn’t the inn at the crossroads be in the riverlands somewhere?I am thinking it should not be that far from the farm where the brotherhood without banners stayed in the last episode…but very little if any snow in the photo

      Yes, the Inn is in the Riverlands near the Trident. Either way, the Ed Sheeran scene would be in the Riverlands somewhere between the Twins and King’s Landing. In 403 “Breaker of Chains”, the Hound says he and Arya were near Fairmarket when they meet the Farmer and his daughter. So yes, they should be pretty close, but the snow threw me off as well – it could be a continuity error, or the locations are different.

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    46. Jenny,

      Yes, I was beginning to assume he must have learned about it offscreen. Though considering when Sam arrived there in 610 they didn’t even know Lord Commander Mormont had been dead for years, it’s a bit of an odd thing. I’d have liked to have seen Sam’s face when told by the way the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch who sent you here was killed, resurrected, led an army south, annihilated House Bolton and is now King in the North.

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    47. Mr Derp,

      Sure, I totally get that Edd will welcome with open arms any people to man the castles of the NW… wildling or otherwise… It just felt odd to me. Also, he’s sending the wildlings to the castle that is closer to Hardhome, the last place where they saw the army of the dead… it’s almost as if he’s saying to the wildlings: “you’re cannon fodder, my friends”.
      (Unless I missed something… which wouldn’t be unusual.)

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    48. I’m really looking forward to Dany’s small council scene over the Painted Table as well. Such a potent combination of characters, all in one place. Dany! Tyrion! Varys! Ellaria! Olenna! Yara! Theon! Missandei! Grey Worm! Whether it’s all of them together talking strategy or smaller individual pairings that break off from the main group, there’s a wealth of possible dynamics to explore. It should be fantastic.

      Also, it’s cool that Dany’s war council, in which they’re presumably discussing how best to deploy their vast armada in order to conquer the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros, is comprised of five women, a dwarf, and three eunuchs. Those who began this story at a severe societal disadvantage and suffered great trials to reach this point have risen to the heights of power and now stand as a fearsome force to behold. “Cripples, bastards, and broken things” indeed.

      That shot of Littlefinger talking to Jon in the crypts as the King in the North looks … less than enthralled with what he’s hearing seems like it has the potential to become a meme of some kind. I’ve already seen a number of people having fun with it. Also, it looks like someone lit a candle for Lyanna at her statue. If Jon is the one who lit it for his mother (even though it’s safe to assume he won’t know she’s his mother at this point) and we actually see that silent act of tribute in the episode itself, I’m fairly certain that the Internet will temporarily melt.

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    49. A Dornish Tyrell:
      orange,

      That and why Jon send the wildlings to man Eastwatch by the Sea? As KitN, he shouldn’t have any prerogative over the NW’s castles and territory (I mean, I’m sure Edd would have no problems with his friend’s decision… still, it seems a little odd this sudden interference with the NW’s affairs without their participation.)

      The thing is, the Night’s Watch men to include Edd still consider Jon the Lord Commander despite what Jon has said and that he left (for now). They didn’t have a new vote or official declaration. Edd is basically Acting LC while Jon is away and still doing the work of the Lord Commander, just that instead of ranging North of the Wall he’s “ranging” South of it trying to build defenses for the Wall and the Great War. That IS the job of the LC and that is the job he’s concerned with. As far as I’m concerned he could start adding titles to his name during introductions like Daenerys. “I am Jon Snow, King of the North, Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, the White Wolf, Kisser of “There”….”

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    50. orange,

      Excellent question. Maybe he has heard Jon is King in the North but doesn’t know how that came to be.

      I doubt he would know about the death and resurrection.

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    51. Sundae,

      I’m assuming it’s Lyanna, personally, but without a clearer shot, we can’t assume anything 100%. Book lore is tossed out all the time when it comes to the show.

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    52. Dee Stark,

      You and I are in agreement with each other though. I think Jon should send men to The Wall to help out. Jon understands better than anyone how undermanned and unprepared they are for what’s coming.

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    53. A Dornish Tyrell,

      this to me is the character issue/question these two have grapple with. will they just repeat the failures/evils of Ned/Cersei, or can they learn from them and grow better than them.

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    54. Clob,

      The strange thing is that as of Season 5, Eastwatch and the Shadow Tower were still manned.

      So unless that has changed, I find it hard to believe that the men of Eastwatch will welcome the Wildlings with open arms.

      “Jon the Deserter sent us” isn’t really going to fly, unless the men of Eastwatch are somehow still loyal to Jon as LC, the way Edd is.

      It’s just weird, I wish the show would give us more insight on this.

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    55. Clob: The thing is, the Night’s Watch men to include Edd still consider Jon the Lord Commander despite what Jon has said and that he left (for now).They didn’t have a new vote or official declaration.Edd is basically Acting LC while Jon is away and still doing the work of the Lord Commander, just that instead of ranging North of the Wall he’s “ranging” South of it trying to build defenses for the Wall and the Great War.That IS the job of the LC and that is the job he’s concerned with.As far as I’m concerned he could start adding titles to his name during introductions like Daenerys.“I am Jon Snow, King of the North, Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, the White Wolf, Kisser of “There”….”

      I agree with this. I think there is an implicit and in practice if not yet codified political realignment of the Wall and the North with Jon Snow being crowned KitN.

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    56. Dee Stark,

      Edd would be fine with it, but I don’t know if the men of Eastwatch want Wildlings helping them, and I don’t know if they recognize Jon’s authority.

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    57. John No:
      I don’t have my maps down, but wouldn’t the inn at the crossroads be in the riverlands somewhere?I am thinking it should not be that far from the farm where the brotherhood without banners stayed in the last episode…but very little if any snow in the photo

      It actually is quite far apart. The inn is located south of The Twins, halfway to KL. The farm is located east of the twins, near the Vale (which is where Arya and the Hound were heading to at the time. So it’s quite logical it snows over there, as we saw snow at the Eyrie as soon as S4. The BWB are travelling from somewhere in the riverlands by the east Side of the Trident

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    58. Clob,

      I would argue that there is an incompatibility between being Lord Commander of the NW and being King of any given region (in order to be a member of the NW, one has to renounce titles and inheritance rights, which is not compatible with being a king…) Either you are one thing or the other. I don’t think Jon considers himself to be part of the NW anymore, otherwise, he wouldn’t have left the Wall.

      In any case, I will go with Mr Derp‘s opinion that Jon and Edd discussed and settled the matter via raven.

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    59. Clob,

      “I am Jon Snow, King of the North, Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, the White Wolf, Kisser of “There”….”

      HA! 🤣🤣

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    60. I’ll be disappointed if Tyrion and Ellaria don’t bump heads over that little thing where she murdered his beloved niece, simply because her boyfriend volunteered to be Tyrions champion and got himself killed with over the top theatrics.

      I know some have said that they have bigger fish to fry than petty grudges, but last season Tyrion gave Theon so much shit over Theon calling Tyrion an imp back in season 1 (while Tyrion was the instigator in that Winterfell scene).
      You can’t convince me that Tyrion would be willing to hold onto that small grudge, but not his innocent niece being murdered.

      Also, Tyrion has to know the general outline of what happened to Myrcella, since information now seemingly flies around Westeros and Essos as if everyone has facebook and twitter.

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    61. Jenny:
      orange,

      We don’t know yet.He probably knows.After all Cersei does.Even if he doesn’t he’ll send the letter to the Wall.Edd will send it to Jon.

      Does Cersei know Jon was rezzed or just that he’s KitN?

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    62. There is only ONE inn in Westeros. 😉 So, of course, that must be the Crossroads inn.

      Vincent Stark:
      Daenerys’ advisors are a funny bunch.

      Ellaria and Olenna = enemy houses for years.
      Ellaria and Tyrion = she murdered his innocent niece (I wonder if Tyrion will comment on this).
      Olenna and Tyrion = framed him for a murder he didn’t commit.
      Yara/Theon and Tyrion = enmity between their houses since the Greyjoy rebellion.

      It should be a fun scene.

      And don’t forget, a conversation – long overdue – between Varys and Daenerys and his Season 1 plans with Jorah to poison her. Some vague reassurance from Tyrion that the reason she wasn’t killed as a baby was because of the “spymaster”, won’t do. I have no idea why Varys has been tagging along silently for the last few episodes; they need a pretty direct talk.

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    63. Could Jon and Littlefinger be looking at Ned’s statue perhaps? We know that Catelyn got his bones back from Jamie a while back. I’m sure someone must have interred them by now…

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    64. Vincent Stark,

      All I want is Tyrion and Ellaria throwing down. That’s all I want.

      Tyrion: I sent my niece there in good faith.
      Ellaria: Hello, squished boyfriend, fighting for you
      Tyrion: It’s not my fault he gloated and let his guard down. And anyway, my niece didn’t do that
      Ellaria: Squished boyfriend! Squished boyfriend!
      The Other Sand Snakes: (Expressions between concern and constipation)
      Oleanna: Oh dear, she’s sprung another leak. You there, Grey Snake or Black Worm, whatever your name is, slap her would you?
      Grey Worm: This one does not recognize your authority
      Dany: No, seriously, you can slap her.
      Missandei: He’s soooo hot when he does that
      Theon: So, how does it work with you two? Asking for a friend…

      Seriously, I think Ellaria is going to end up saying the wrong thing to Dany, getting herself sent away and right to Euron, who takes her back to Cersei and Jaime.

      And I think we will see Jaime choose his side, and I think it’ll be the devil. I think his taken his redemption as far as it can go and his last chance rowed away outside Riverrun.

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    65. Maester Andy: it could be a continuity error, or the locations are different.

      It was definitely supposed to be the same farm. Not only through dialogue but the shot as they rode down to it they were in the same location as when Arya and Sandor left with him counting the silver he’d stolen.

      I don’t know if I’d call it a continuity error as much as them just not thinking it matters over doing the shots they want. That farm has to be somewhere between The Twins and the Eyrie – and to get between the two they’d have to travel close to the inn due to the mountains and get to the High Road between the Inn at the Crossroads and The Bloody Gate. At any rate, they never traveled further north than The Twins. Technically, Arya and the BwoB should have been in the same general area. Of course, that area is actually fairly large so it is possible for it to be snowing in one spot and not another…….

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    66. A Dornish Tyrell: it’s almost as if he’s saying to the wildlings: “you’re cannon fodder, my friends”.

      Unfortunately, it does seem like this is precisely the underlying message. Only perhaps a tad longer : “thank you, my friends, for helping me get my home back. Now, could you please serve as cannon fodder against the very enemies who almost decimated your people while those charming Northern lords and ladies who told me to go f- myself when I asked for their support the first time around stay safely behind and do close to nothing ?”

      The Free Folk cannot catch a break. Ever.

      Isabelle: Lol at Jon’s murder face in the last one. That scene is going to be so satisfying.

      The face of an experienced ruler keeping his cool and about to use his répartée to outsmart a foe, for certain ^^

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    67. So does Tyrion argue to hold off on going to Kings Landing, to make more alliances, and build support, sends a Raven to Jon; Jon discuss Targ alliance and leaves in the same episode, but not before a cryptic discussion with LF, maybe making some implications Jon doesnt like. Will Jon make it to Dragonstone this episode?

      Either way i think this has to be the sea battle; Ep 3 says Cersi gets a gift and the EP 2 trailer shows a shot of boats at night

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    68. Jenny:

      Seriously?They are in the middle of an apocalypse.The Wall has literally twenty people left.Who is going to man it?This is why he is King.

      Lmao I know right? Jon could cure world hunger or something and there would still be objections lol.

      Not to mention Jon sending Wildlings to man the Wall is straight out of the books, except now he has even more authority than he did as LC and Edd as support. And books or not it is the most sensible decision.

      Markus Stark,

      “Jon the King in the North sent us” Boom. Problem solved. If you guys can accept that Meereen’s thousand year old problems were magically solved with a future off screen election last year, or that Arya found out which Freys were involved in the Red Wedding off screen, then I am pretty sure you could imagine that Jon – who has known about the NW problems since season 1 and tried to bring more men in season 5 – probably talked and sent some king’s decree to the Wall off screen to bring the much needed manpower everyone is desperate for.

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    69. I can’t with these photos. First, I thought Arya’s horse was levitating a bedroll above his ears. Then it looks like Sam is trailing Ebrose saying “…and THEN, I just held out some dragonglass, and poof! Gone! It was amazing! And I thought djdjdhdjsjdnmxkcjfjzkxbckfmckfmcmncjchdbxhbxjsnd……….” And Ebrose is all “That is the 15th fucking time I have lost my place in this book, Tarly. 15th!!!” And then Jon looks like he is silently begging “Lord have patience. Give me patience. I swear, if he….that’s it!”

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    70. HunterMac87,

      Tyrion will constantly remind Dany that people are going to be freaked the f out when three dragons start flying overhead and she needs to build alliances and slow down a little. Oleanna will agree and will call in what remains of the Tyrell bannermen (So, Randyll Tarly will arrive just as Jon does and they have a couple of awkwad, “Ah, so you’re my friend’s dad…” moments)

      Ellaria and the Greyjoys will want to just storm King’s Landing now. They will leave in a huff, leaving the Sand Snakes (Grumpy, Shorty, Other Grumpy and Chesty) confused and constipated, no one is sure which.

      Euron captures them in a daring raiding party at night and gets Ellaria back to King’s Landing, where Jaime personally beheads her, cementing him as a Lannister through and through.

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    71. I wish they would either make it stop fake-snowing at Winterfell, or have the characters wear HATS. Living in a cold climate, this bothers me somewhat. I would never spend the entire winter with constantly wet hair from all that snow. 🙂

      I hope Sam has enlisted ArchMaester Ebrose’s help in trying to cure Jorah.

      I am now going to be disappointed if we don’t say hello to HotPie next episode.

      Daenerys’ small council looks awesome. Too bad it will probably be a 3-4 minute scene at the maximum, as always.

      WorfWWorfington: Tyrion will constantly remind Dany that people are going to be freaked the f out when three dragons start flying overhead and she needs to build alliances and slow down a little.

      Tyrion will also mention her father, the Mad King, at least twice during the Council meeting. I am certain. 🙂

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    72. A Dornish Tyrell: I would argue that there is an incompatibility between being Lord Commander of the NW and being King of any given region (in order to be a member of the NW, one has to renounce titles and inheritance rights, which is not compatible with being a king…

      Times are changing. Faced with the coming war they can’t be concerned about any of those old laws and regulations. “King” or “Lord Commander” or any title is not of importance. What’s important is someone to unite and lead them and Jon is attempting to do that in whatever capacity he can.

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    73. Did anyone else see the marry betray kill interview with kit Harington?? He says Jon doesn’t like Brienne! So I’m wondering if he is being his dry humor self or what he means by that… cuz brienne is pretty darn awesome and one would think Jon would admire a strong loyal moral woman like brienne.. any thoughts?

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    74. Crikey, I am So looking forward to that ‘Painted Table” scene.

      All those power players gathered in one room, they’d better devote at least 8 minutes to it so we can hear and gauge each participants word/actions.
      ( also it will be a true test on the screen writers skills now that they can no longer fall back on GRRM’s prose.

      and That’s on top of one of my Most anticipated reunions and now you guys are throwing in a couple of others…
      (is that Really the [Inn of the Kneeling Man’ in that pis …????) 😀

      …and just What is Littlefinger going to say to Jon throw gets him thrown against a wall for the 3rd time??????????????

      Hell, there’s next 4 days are going to be High Antica…………..pation!!!

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    75. Flayed Potatoes,

      Here’s the flaw in your argument : I don’t accept that Meereen’s thousand year old problems were solved by an election organized by a bunch of mercenaries, and I don’t accept any of what happened with Arya at the Twins. Those things didn’t make sense to me at all.

      As for Jon, of course he would want to send men to man the Wall, and yes he did it in the books as Lord Commander, I’m just wondering if the men of Eastwatch will really be willing to let the Wildlings man the Wall with them.

      I don’t think the KitN has more authority than the Lord Commander on this matter, so it depends on how the men of Eastwatch view Jon. If they’re loyalists like Edd, then fine, but otherwise, I’m not so sure.

      I’m just saying I would like to see it addressed, though I doubt it will be.

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    76. Clob: We haven’t even seen Jon and Littlefinger speak to each other yet have we… So the first time we ever see them talk (probably) Jon chokes him… Pretty much like Ned.

      Yep, and then it will be another Stark male that has belittled or hurt him in some way. Add that to the disdain Sansa showed him last week, and and the lack of gratitude there seems to be in general for him showing up at the BoB, and I’m betting LF isn’t feeling at all pro-Stark. If the ravens are flying, I’m betting a few of those ravens go to Kings Landing, and poor, hapless Maester Wolkan is too clueless to let anyone know that LF is sending ravens there.

      Speaking of ravens – where would Sam send the message to Jon about the dragonglass? The last we’ve seen him aware, Jon was at Castle Black. Even if he did send a message to Castle Black, I would think that Edd would immediately forward the message to Winterfell. I would HOPE that word of Bran being there would also be sent along. The cast all said events happened very quickly this year, let’s hope so.

      I’m thinking that word of Dany landing at Dragonstone is going to reach the Citadel via the current brood of supersonic ravens that seem to be flying now. That means Sam will hurry down to the hospital dungeons where Jorah is, Jorah will then explain to Sam what it all means and that’s the reason for Jon and company on horseback in the snow.

      It seems that Cersei has been brought up to date on EVERYthing – she knew about Tyrion, she knew about the Iron Islanders and Euron. I’m trying to remember if she knew that Olenna and Ellaria had actually joined Dany, or just assumed that both would be gunning for her.

      Qyburn is a treasure; he’s the one behind keeping Cersei in-the-know; he’s the one who engineered the sinking of the Sept. He’s knowledgeable about everything, cunning, resourceful, and very, very effective in whatever he sets out to do. In addition, he seems as dedicated to Cersei as anyone has ever been. Between the Mountain and Qyburn, Cersei might feel she can do without Jaime for most things, except as a bed partner. She just might chance an alliance with Euron, thinking she can mold Jaime’s heart and mind any way she wants to, to fend off any anger he might have the gumption to show. Euron’s insults knocked him sideways a bit. Cersei is beginning to believe he IS afraid of her, and that’s never good.

      Scene that has me most intrigued? Jon choking LF. Jon has demonstrated that he’s patient and wise and not prone to direct violence unless wildly provoked. Wtf could LF have said to him that would provoke Jon to lash out in such a way? Can’t wait!!

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    77. Clob: Don’t forget about the small inn that has a whole lot of f&#king chickens. 🙂

      Ah…. true! How could I forget the Inn with all those chickens? Still holding out hope for HotPie, though.

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    78. I think Edd, having seen the nasty out there and worked with and against Tormund, is going to be happy for the help.

      In theory, yes, Edd has to accept them, but the Wall has been accepting all kinds of riff raff. We’ve had Crows defecting to the Wildings before. No reason to think it can’t work the other way.

      My guess is that Dany’s small council bitches at each other a little bit and Tyrion gets at least one comment about being the only one there with a cock and Varys rolls his eyes and Grey Worm looks confused and Theon starts shaking…

      And then Indira Varma does that thing where she confuses slow talking with good acting and Diana Rigg looks like “The things I do to pay my grandkids’ tuition…” and they all start yelling at each other and then Dany shouts something in Valyrian and Drogon presses his nose against the window like a dog wanting to come inside and all is well.

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    79. “Sansa (Sophie Turner) is glowering from the walks of Winterfell once again, with that terrible wig. ”

      What exactly makes it a bad wig? I’m the furthest thing from a hair expert, so does it have something to do with how it sits on her head, how the hair moves when she walks, color, actual hair color peeking through, etc? Like I said I’m no hair expert, but if I didn’t know it was a wig I’d have no clue.

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    80. Markus Stark,

      The King has more authority than the LC.

      1. The survival of the men on the Wall depends on lords and kings sending recruits and supplies. Thank God Jon isn’t an asshole who dgaf about the Wall like some other rulers.

      2. Historically, the Stark in Winterfell has interfered in NW business in times of crisis (see the histories and lore clip about the NW which Thorne narrated). This is a time of crisis.

      When they are starving and in need of men, they won’t be stupid enough to reject help from the one ruler who actually wants to help them and who has an agreement with the Wildlings from season 5 which has never been broken.

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    81. QueenofThrones,

      Got to be Ellaria, I thought she’d still be in Dorne, Intrigued to know why she needs to be there in the flesh and Tyrion’s got to have a go at her for murdering his niece.

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    82. Flayed Potatoes,

      Jon was killed and came back. He gets to make a few personnel decisions. Besides, as you said, the Lord of Winterfell, let alone the King in the North, has made executive decisions before. Ned didn’t consult Jeor or Benjen before beheading the dude in the first episode.

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    83. ACME: “thank you, my friends, for helping me get my home back. Now, could you please serve as cannon fodder against the very enemies who almost decimated your people

      At least at Eastwatch they’re provided with the Wall and other defenses that they wouldn’t have had running around among the trees on the other side. 🙂

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    84. Flayed Potatoes: Historically, the Stark in Winterfell has interfered in NW business in times of crisis (see the histories and lore clip about the NW which Thorne narrated). This is a time of crisis.

      Flayed Potatoes,

      Even in times when there was no known crisis. Ned beheaded the NW deserter in season 1 episode 1

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    85. OT, but Kit was at the Giffoni Film Festival in Italy today and participated in a series of Q&As. The first is more general. In the second he speaks with a group of (I think) aspiring young actors and filmmakers, where he speaks candidly about the difficulties of becoming an actor, how he attributes “his” fame to Thrones (famous by association instead of in his own right), using the books to prepare for playing Jon, playing “real people” in fantasy worlds (Thrones is “fantasy based in reality”), how his real-life experiences / emotions have bled into his roles (he specifically cites depression), and which projects he’d like to be a part of.

      Lots of lovely, thoughtful answers and some fun Thrones info: apparently his script for the final scene in Season 5 read “Jon Snow dies. We’ll all miss his curly black hair”!

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn20jfE1x5Q
      (18:55)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7taJZYemIA
      (2:05:20)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V6JeoSB6t8
      (continuation)

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    86. A Dornish Tyrell,

      He did open with the disclaimer that he’s not King of the free folk, making it clear that this wasn’t an order and Tormund could tell him to fuck off if he wanted. But realistically, there has to be a first line of defense, someone has to man those castles, so who else should Jon have sent to the Wall? You want a first line of defense who can actually keep the enemy at bay, and Jon went with someone who was willing and who had already proven his ability to do so.

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    87. WorfWWorfington: Tyrion: I sent my niece there in good faith.
      Ellaria: Hello, squished boyfriend, fighting for you
      Tyrion: It’s not my fault he gloated and let his guard down. And anyway, my niece didn’t do that
      Ellaria: Squished boyfriend! Squished boyfriend!
      The Other Sand Snakes: (Expressions between concern and constipation)
      Oleanna: Oh dear, she’s sprung another leak. You there, Grey Snake or Black Worm, whatever your name is, slap her would you?
      Grey Worm: This one does not recognize your authority
      Dany: No, seriously, you can slap her.
      Missandei: He’s soooo hot when he does that
      Theon: So, how does it work with you two? Asking for a friend…

      actually hilarious … my first lol of the day. Thanks

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    88. Hey All, I’ve been commenting for years over at WIC then here but not too often and almost always in season. I’ve enjoyed reading the comments of a lot of you regulars so far this year. Question. Sorry if someone has already asked, but would LF actually tell Jon about his parentage? Just to get him TF out of there so he can scheme on Sansa in his absence? Could Jon be freaking out because LF says something like: “you know that blockhead Ned Stark was not your dad, right?” I mean, we suspect LF knows about R + L = J because of the comments he made to Sansa in the crypts before he left Winterfell in S5 (pre-Ramsay marriage) and also, he’s LF, he knows everything, except of course that Ramsay Bolton was a vicious murdering psychopath.

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    89. I curious about Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and it dynamics.

      I always assumed it would be another castle against the south side of the Wall, like Castle Black, with a port behind it.

      Yet when Jon and the survivors of Hardhome returned, and if they landed back at Eastwatch by the Sea by boat, they somehow ended up on the wrong side of the Wall and trooped halfway along it to get admittance into Castle Black…??

      Most likely done for dramatic effect, but surely Jon would have then sent a good contingent of fighters back to Eastwatch-by-the-Sea to watch for the White Walkers attack, since you would assume the Night King’s horde are heading that way…??

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    90. I’m sure the next episode will be great as well. I’m really looking forward to it. Sorry if I seem absent from a site on certain days… some things keep me busy.

      On a side note: I plan to make a video review for premiere episode tomorrow. It will be posted on my Youtube channel.

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    91. Clob: At least at Eastwatch they’re provided with the Wall and other defenses that they wouldn’t have had running around among the trees on the other side.

      Something else that ‘should’ be at Eastwatch – Stannis’ fleet. Didn’t he use those ships to sail from Dragonstone? Then Jon used them to rescue the Wildings at Hardhome and they landed again at Eastwatch, and the Wildings marched north of the Wall to Castle Black. So, the ships should be there. Unless of course, the Iron Bank came to get them as payback for money lent to Stannis. But since there has been no hint of this happening, they should be in the harbor. No?

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    92. All this small council talk and im really just excited for Olena and Dany to have a one on one. She gives some grandma like advice to warn of Cersi, same way she did with Marg. I think she will be impressed with Dany

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    93. HereBeDragons:
      QueenofThrones,
      Got to be Ellaria, I thought she’d still be in Dorne, Intrigued to know why she needs to be there in the flesh and Tyrion’s got to have a go at her for murdering his niece.

      Dornish and Tyrell ships were in Meereen – I assume Ellaria and Olenna landed same time Dany did.

      In any case, even if Ellaria is coming form Dorne, she would not be an “unexpected” vistior. As head of state in Dorne her presence on Dany’s small council will be totally expected.

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    94. Sue, your disdain for Sansa’s wig amuses me. 🙂

      I’m really looking forward to the LF & Jon confrontation. It should be interesting. Also Arya possibly reuniting with Hot Pie? Maybe? Please? I hope so!!

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    95. QueenofThrones,

      True,

      Then the only other one that could turn up at this time is someone from the Iron Bank.
      That would be unexpected and would love to see, (can’t think of his name but he was Shelocks brother and was the one who spoke of th Iron Banks council members )

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    96. elybe,

      Exactly not to mention his deal with them has always been you will help in the fight behind the wall.Jon knows that they know the enemy and how to fight it.Also he probably trusts them more than anybody else.

      On the Sam issue I assumed that Jon himself sent him a raven telling the new development and asking for news.

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    97. ugashep,

      Now that’s fun, but…. (In this case, I do think it is fun, even if I said “but” after)

      I’m not sure Littlefinger really knows about Jon’s parentage. I think he, like quite a few others, suspects Lyanna went willingly with Rhaegar. Hell, I think Book Ned isn’t entirely sure. At the very least, he believes Robert and Lyanna wouldn’t have been all sunshine and roses.

      But… it is a leap from “Yeah, maybe your Aunt ran off with a married dude and maybe indirectly caused the deaths of your grandfather, uncle, Elia Martell and her kids, Rhaeger himself and Gods knows how many soldiers” to “And she gave birth to Jon…”

      Now, Littlefinger can add months as well as anyone, and he knows Ned. He knows it is a heck of a coincidence that around nine months (assuming gestation is the same in a place where winters last years) after Lyanna got “kidnapped,” Ned came back with a bastard son that no one expects him to have.

      So, my guess is that if he does “know” R+L=J, then he is basing that on a very good guess and not concrete knowledge.

      I’m sure Littlefinger will just make some snide crack about Sansa being beautiful and how he will be sure and assist her in her Lady of Winterfell duties while Jon is gone and Jon just decides to choke a bitch as a warning.

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    98. WorfWWorfington,

      Thanks for the reply. You’re probably right. Another question is that if LF did know R + L = J, would he realistically deploy the knowledge that way? That’s another IDK. In addition to getting him out of the North, and possibly banking some good will with Jon (who wouldn’t like to be told they are the rightful ruler of their whole country? lol), it creates another claimant to the throne of the whole tamale, chaos, chaos, chaos, the man loves him some chaos.

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    99. WorfWWorfington,

      Actually… I would imagine that Littlefinger would probably know most of events that transpired, considering he probably thought he might be able to win Catelyn’s heart if he could prove Ned was in love with another woman (that woman supposedly been Jon’s Mother.

      Hell ..wouldn’t half the realm wonder why a few members of the Kingsguard were protecting the Prince’s mistress rather than guarding more prominent members of the royal family?

      I’m sure Littlefinger, once he was in a financial and informational role, would have been quickly gathering news about the wanderings and dealings of Ned.

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    100. Thronetender: Scene that has me most intrigued? Jon choking LF. Jon has demonstrated that he’s patient and wise and not prone to direct violence unless wildly provoked. Wtf could LF have said to him that would provoke Jon to lash out in such a way? Can’t wait!!

      Ned was also a taciturn and calm man yet all it took for him to choke Littlefinger was to believe Baelish was being a “funny man” by bringing him to one of his brothels. So if Jon goes full Ned (never go full Ned !), he could technically turn all “Hulk smash” over anything Littlefinger says or does : a quip, a look, a knock-knock joke…

      Baelish is the red cloth to the Stark men’s bulls, the smug nerd to their bashful jocks. Everything he is, says and does is an irritant to them so choking hazard is ever present. But I guess Jon will crush a windpipe over something Baelish says about Sansa (or about how both him and Jon have developped a red-hair fetish due to Catelyn’s rejection… The idea of having anything in common with Baelish would make the King in the North instantly murderous)

      Clob: At least at Eastwatch they’re provided with the Wall and other defenses that they wouldn’t have had running around among the trees on the other side.

      A vast improvement, to be sure, but sending some Northern troops alongside the Free Folk would have been a nice touch, just so it does not look like the Wildlings are being sent to their deaths on their own while the “Southerners” are safe and cosy in their castles.
      Since the Umber and Karstark bannermen are so eager to join the Starks now, why not instruct them to help out the Free Folk at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea too ? The more, the merrier (and the higher the body pile, in this case)

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    101. Now, if we start to see Sansa clutching a goblet full of wine every time we see her, then, hell yea, we ALL need to be scared

      Given all of the Sansa hate online, I’m starting to want the final shot of the series to be Sansa smugly sipping wine a la Cersei post-Sept explosion while sitting comfortably on the Iron Throne. Watch the heads explode…

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    102. ACME:
      Since the Umber and Karstark bannermen are so eager to join the Starks now, why not instruct them to help out the Free Folk at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea too ? The more, the merrier (and the higher the body pile, in this case)

      They’re already in charge of the second line of defense after Eastwatch, remember? Besides, preventing a Wall breach is critical, in a previous thread you doubted that these kids could even run their own households.

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    103. HereBeDragons,

      “why a few members of the Kingsguard were protecting the Prince’s mistress rather than guarding more prominent members of the royal family?”

      I really hope we get some substantial answers on this regard!

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    104. ACME:

      The face of an experienced ruler keeping his cool and about to use his répartée to outsmart a foe, for certain ^^

      #KeepCalmAndMurderThemBrutally

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    105. elybe,
      Precisely ! More men at the Wall to prevent a breach (or, at least, kill as many White Walkers as possible when they do breach the Wall) would make sense; the Umbers/Karstarks troops are the closest and sending them to Eastwatch-by-the-Sea means they will be under the Night’s Watch’s command, not those two poor children’s. Alys and Ned can stay safely-ish behind, in their homes.
      As for the second line of defense, Deepwood Motte (House Glover) is on the same latitude as Karhold, give or take a few degrees, so they can take over that role in conjonction with whoever will take over the Dreadfort.

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    106. ACME: But I guess Jon will crush a windpipe over something Baelish says about Sansa (or about how both him and Jon have developped a red-hair fetish due to Catelyn’s rejection… The idea of having anything in common with Baelish would make the King in the North instantly murderous

      whoa, good point, they do have that rejection in common, don’t they. But somehow Jon’s personality is to internalize the hurt and work on being better, without thoughts of revenge, still loving the family. While Baelish’s personality is to internalize the hurt, feed on it, multiply it, until all there is for Starks anywhere is destruction, one way or another. Baelish thinks that Jon’s way is the weaker way, Baelish thinks that Jon himself is weak, and that he, LORD Petyr Baelish, is the all-knowing brain of Westeros. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out

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    107. Joe: What exactly makes it a bad wig? I’m the furthest thing from a hair expert, so does it have something to do with how it sits on her head, how the hair moves when she walks, color, actual hair color peeking through, etc? Like I said I’m no hair expert, but if I didn’t know it was a wig I’d have no clue.

      I’m pretty particular about these things, and I can sometimes nitpick if a character’s, especially a female character’s, hair is off kilter. Yet, I didn’t see anything awful about Sansa’s hair either. It looked longer to me than usual, but nothing at all terrible. The edges around the face were well-done, not looking like some heavy thing plopped on her head and badly covered, the braids were pretty, it was symmetrical with her face and the color is flattering. I don’t know what the trouble is.

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    108. HereBeDragons: I wonder if the Night King can make his wights Row in unison…?

      I was just speculating that those would be extra ships to add to Dany’s, especially if they get word of Euron’s fleet heading toward them. The captains and crew would possibly still be there, but I don’t know, they may have taken off once they heard of Stannis’s defeat. The ships have probably have just magically disappeared, and will never be mentioned again.

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    109. ACME,

      Why should Deepwood Motte be used to make up for stripping down Last Hearth’s and Karhold’s defenses, both of which are much closer to Eastwatch? It shares a latitude, but the other two castles are actually located close to where the Walkers are expected to breach, if they do. I kind of get the sense that if Jon had decided to send wildlings and northerners alike to man the Wall, he’d just be criticized as being “naive” for expecting these two factions to suddenly share a post and work together without conflict. Keep them separate and have the wildlings work with the Nights Watch, who already fought beside them at Hardhome and have had more time to come around to the idea of working with them in general, and he’s using the free folk as cannon fodder. In the eyes of armchair zombie-fighters, he comes up short either way.

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    110. Goldeneye,

      I genuinely cannot imagine why. In the interview, he said it’s never expressed and it seems to just be his head canon, as he said he talked it over with Gwen. But you’d think he’d have some respect for the lady who rescued his sister. I mean, she didn’t have to. Brienne didn’t owe the Starks anything and she still risked her neck to rescue Sansa. Jon should be grateful.

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    111. aaack, I wish the darned edit button lasted longer … I put the words on the screen first, so as not to automatically stall myself out awaiting “great inspiration,” then go back and make corrections before I hit the “post comment” button, but I don’t get all the mistakes in time. oh well …

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    112. QueenofThrones: Dornish and Tyrell ships were in Meereen – I assume Ellaria and Olenna landed same time Dany did.

      In any case, even if Ellaria is coming form Dorne, she would not be an “unexpected” vistior.As head of state in Dorne her presence on Dany’s small council will be totally expected.

      Tyrell and Dornish ships can be seen sailing in Dany’s fleet in the S6 finale.

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    113. O God O God O God

      I think I’ve just solved the Hounds vision of a mountain shaped like an arrowhead is. 😀 😀 😀

      I’m sure of it!!! lol

      I can’t get the spoiler code to work but I’m Dying to see what others think…?

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    114. A Dornish Tyrell,
      From that last photo it looks like LF’s secret power is annoying people so much they eye roll themselves to death. I’ve said this many times before but LF is doomed because if someone in the story doesn’t take him out I’ll do it through sheer force of will alone 😉

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    115. Thronetender,

      Qyburn didn’t mastermind that explosion. Those wildfire casks were placed there by the Mad King.

      hunterMac87,

      Because their prince who was also their friend commanded them to. Perhaps they thought having Barriston the Bold protect Rhaegar would be enough.

      ugashep,

      How would Littlefinger know about that? Only Rhaegar, Lyanna, the 3 Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy, and Ned knew. And they are all dead.

      For those talking about defending the Wall, Jon really should be able to send nearly his entire army to different points as needed. He’s not marching south, which means a small force at Moat Cailan would be all that it took to hold it against any advancing army from the south. Especially in winter.

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    116. WallyFrench,

      You’re forgetting at least one Handmaiden that we were shown in the tower, that passed the baby to Ned… ?

      Littlefinger may have found her!

      Impausible..? Maybe Impossible..? No!

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    117. Markus Stark: The strange thing is that as of Season 5, Eastwatch and the Shadow Tower were still manned.

      So unless that has changed, I find it hard to believe that the men of Eastwatch will welcome the Wildlings with open arms.

      “Jon the Deserter sent us” isn’t really going to fly, unless the men of Eastwatch are somehow still loyal to Jon as LC, the way Edd is.

      It’s just weird, I wish the show would give us more insight on this.

      Easywatch has always had a much better relationship with the Wildlings, they have always traded and worked with Wildlings. It is probably best to send them to Eastwatch.

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    118. WorfWWorfington:
      My guess is that Dany’s small council bitches at each other a little bit and Tyrion gets at least one comment about being the only one there with a cock and Varys rolls his eyes and Grey Worm looks confused and Theon starts shaking…

      And then Indira Varma does that thing where she confuses slow talking with good acting and Diana Rigg looks like “The things I do to pay my grandkids’ tuition…”

      OMFG 😂😂😂

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    119. Lulus Mum,

      He does have that effect in many characters… and in a lot of viewers as well! 😀

      I remember you mentioning some time ago that your birthday would coincide with the day of the premiere of GoT (or was it with the day of the finale?) In any case, happy birthday!!!!

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    120. A YouTuber pointed out something interesting about the floor map that Cersei and Jaime were standing on – in a top view, Cersei is standing on ‘The Neck’, and Jaime is standing at ‘The Fingers’. Obviously I’m a bit slow and didn’t even notice that – nice allusion!!!!

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    121. HereBeDragons,
      Ooh ooh do tell. I must confess when Houndie said that I pictured a mountain (not his bro) with an arrow going right through it, like those joke shop things where the pointy head sticks out of one side and the…er….back/tail/whatever the opposite end is called, sticking out of the other side. *quick Google later* hem hem…the arrow head sticking out of one side and the fletchings the other. And now I can’t get it out of my mind’s eye.

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    122. Am I the only person who loves Sansa’s wig …
      1 it’s more accurate to the time and weather … there ain’t no conditioner and it’s fookin cold which means dry damaged hair
      Lady Winter ain’t got no time to sit a brush it … she’s grown up and has more pressing things on her mind
      2 I think I actually find her more attractive with that hairdo … and I’m gay so that’s saying something
      3 its early in the morning I just woke up my brain can’t think of more things to say so I’ll repeat 2 she looks hot in a medieval kinda way

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    123. HereBeDragons,
      Please do….the coding is in the grey box just before the comments start but lots of people miss it. It’s:

      left square bracket
      the word “spoiler” (without the inverted commas)
      right square bracket
      your intriguing thoughts
      left square bracket
      back slash
      the word “spoiler” (without the inverted commas)
      right square bracket

      so like this [ spoiler ] your ideas [ /spoiler ]

      but you have to take out the spaces on either side of the word spoiler. Good luck! Love your avatar btw 😀

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    124. Thronetender,
      I may be alone on this one but I never believed Baelish had a particular disaffection for the Starks… In my opinion, he simply does not care whom he has to take out to get what he wants.
      He selected the Starks and the Lannisters as his first dominoes because he had “access” to Lysa and they were the two Houses closest to King Robert (Ned was Bobby’s best friend and Cersei his wife). Littlefinger bet that engineering a conflict between these two clans would create as much chaos as possible in the Throne’s vicinity, ensuring maximum damage to the overall structure. He was right.

      elybe,
      I doubt anyone would expect the Free Folk and the Umbers/Karstarks to get along; they do not have to. They just have to fight alongside one another, not socialise.

      We cannot on the one hand say that the apocalyse trumps everything and on the other care for traditional Northern sensibilities and reluctance at the idea of associating with the Free Folk. Jon is a firm advocate of the former (as he should be) therefore now is as good a time as any to make Northerners get over their prejudices. Additionally, the Free Folk have done more to ensure the Stark resurgence than all the Northern Houses combined so the Northerners have no leg to stand on, especially Houses Karstark and Umber.

      The Wall, and more specifically Eastwatch-by-the-Sea, is the crucial location, according to Jon and, unbeknownst to him, Sandor. Packing as many people as possible at this juncture makes sense, I believe.
      Furthermore, when the Others breach the Wall, I doubt they are going to advance in a straight line, following the eastern coast and sparing the western side. They are probably going to spread so latitude does matter. As for placing an unfair burden onto Deepwood Motte… If Lord Glover complains, perhaps jogging his memory over a certain “foreign whore” comment may calm him down.

      Pretty much everyone in the region (in the country even) will have to move further up north to stop the Others anyway; I sincerely doubt anyone will have the luxury to wait for the army of the dead to pass by their castle to start fighting. Jon might as well prepare them to march right now.

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    125. Lulus Mum:
      HereBeDragons,
      Ooh ooh do tell. I must confess when Houndie said that I pictured a mountain (not his bro) with an arrow going right through it, like those joke shop things where the pointy head sticks out of one side

      Ha ! Same thing for me ^^

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    126. Possible Spoiler Re The Hound’s “Arrowhead” Mountain Vision…

      Take a look at this pic …

      https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ffedef54ea08cdcdf2dc98acdf2957e3

      Now darken this image, silhouetted against a bright or preferably storm-cloud sky, 4x times the size cos this is a huge MrFc!!
      Now take off Dany, cos if the dead are walking by, as the Hound claims then, then this isn’t one of hers, and put the Night King in her place.
      I think we’re going to see our 1st ICE DRAGON, patroling the horde as they pass thru the shattered Wall 😀 LOL

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    127. Spoilers for Episode 2, the Littlefinger scene:

      I am still amazed at how Littlefinger would be acting so dumb as to talk about how much he loves Sansa and that he wants to marry her, and how much he loved Catelyn. I am really struggling to understand what his motive with this conversation might be. Does he want Jon to perhaps hit him? So that he can tell others he is unstable or something? I really don’t understand the motive.

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    128. WallyFrench: Qyburn didn’t mastermind that explosion. Those wildfire casks were placed there by the Mad King.

      Yes, placed all over the kingdom, and then pretty much forgotten, even after Tyrion used many of them at Blackwater. Hence, the lines about “are the rumors true or just rumors. However, the Mad King’s master plan was to burn the entire city and fly away as a dragon. It was Qyburn’s duty to determine the veracity of the rumor that some wildfire was still there, determine the amount, location and condition of storage; relay the info to Cersei and learn her greatest hopes and dreams regarding its use. Then he would have to devise the plan that would come closest to fulfilling those dreams, organize the careful retrieval and new placement of the casks, so that the explosion would bring down the Sept but not the whole city and castle, and determine the perfect timing so that the Sept would be brimming with all the sparrows, high and low, and the most vocal of Cersei’s enemies. He did and/or oversaw all the grunt work.

      If you don’t think the word “mastermind” is applicable, how about “Master of Assessment, Placement and Follow-Through”?

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    129. WorfWWorfington:
      ugashep,

      …I’m sure Littlefinger will just make some snide crack about Sansa being beautiful and how he will be sure and assist her in her Lady of Winterfell duties while Jon is gone and Jon just decides to choke a bitch as a warning.

      is it sunday yet? I need it to be sunday.. so I can see him choke a bitch and then storm around Winterfell looking like this http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery7/gallery2/hires/12.jpg

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    130. HereBeDragons,
      Ooooh I like it. I thought he meant

      just one arrow head but the scales are the right shape. Mmm a mountain sized thing with lots of arrow headed shaped spikes sticking out of it, it’s certainly a possibility.

      Or maybe I’m right and a sentient mountain has gone to the joke shop and is saying “ooh look at me I’ve been shot through my peak with an arrow” to its mountain mates. What? This is a story full of magical stuff that defies the laws of physics, amongst other things, so it’s feasible, although not terribly likely I must admit. And ACME agrees with me 😀

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    131. HereBeDragons: Possible Spoiler Re The Hound’s “Arrowhead” Mountain Vision…

      Take a look at this pic …

      That is a good theory. Another thing that is the shape of an arrowhead is the brooch or the sigil that the Night King wore, it does seem as if there is an arrowhead inside that sigil. But it is properly just going to be something like Fist of The First Men.

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    132. HereBeDragons,

      I see the possibilities, but then I wonder what LF has been waiting for?

      This could have destroyed the Ned-Robert friendship, probably gotten Ned killed as a traitor, maybe gotten the Starks deposed all together. Plus, what good is Jon to him as king?

      Seems like this is a card played earlier, if he truly knows it.

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    133. Boudica,

      True… but I just thought it was the Night King’s reminder of the shard that was placed thru his heart, and of the power/curse it gave him. 🙂

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    134. Worfwworfington,

      True.
      It probably would have been played to Littlefinger’s advantage, while Robert was still alive, But then again… Robert wouldn’t be overly thankful to Petyr for destroying the loyalty and trust he placed in his best friend?
      Just that in the books, Littlefinger has been grabbing any portraits of the Targaryens he can get his hands on and always wondered why he is doing this?
      Art Connoisseur..? 🙂

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    135. HereBeDragons:
      Boudica,

      True… but I just thought it was the Night King’s reminder of the shard that was placed thru his heart, and of the power/curse it gave him. 🙂

      “Shard through the heart, and you’re to blame…” 🎶🎶

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    136. I’m curious, not sure if it has been discussed, but by grabbing Bran’s arm the night king and the dead were able to enter the 3 eye raven’s cave/home…will the same logic / magic apply to the wall now that Bran is on the other side of the wall?

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    137. Dee Stark,

      Dee Stark:
      Sorry to be that person but pleaseeeeeeeee people cover spoilers, even small speculation based on something you know LOLOL

      I WANT TO PARTICIPATE in this chat hahahaha:

      Reaction:

      Having only seen one trailer… and only a couple times… and having not seen the preview… to answer Sue’s question:

      “What image intrigues you all the most this week?”

      UMMMM THAT LAST PIC
      Jon looks like he wants to punch LF
      What is he saying to him?!!??!?!?!?!?1
      SDFGHJIN^F&YBUNO

      Also… why is Jon leaving so soon.. Ughhh WAIT FOR BRAN, IT IS KNOWN

      Hi, Dee!

      I want to participate in the chats too that’s why I’ve been lurking. 🙂 But I guess we need to be careful as well because some may be too excited or may unknowingly slip out a spoilery comment (like those KITN comments last season). There’s already one comment in another thread about Jon that made me think it didn’t seem like mere speculation so i’m trying to deny in my mind I read that comment.

      I also have the same question as yours (re Jon leaving). My speculation is that he got word from Edd that Bran is at the Wall and he’s heading there??? I suppose Edd won’t have enough men to bring Bran to WF and he told Jon to have Bran picked up. And Jon being Jon wouldn’t let just anybody to bring Bran home so he went there himself. I’d love to see another Stark reunion so I’d be happy if that happens. Or, the episode summary said something about a revolt. Maybe Jon is heading to a place to deal with those people revolting?

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    138. WorfWWorfington:

      My guess is that Dany’s small council bitches at each other a little bit and Tyrion gets at least one comment about being the only one there with a cock and Varys rolls his eyes and Grey Worm looks confused and Theon starts shaking…

      And then Indira Varma does that thing where she confuses slow talking with good acting and Diana Rigg looks like “The things I do to pay my grandkids’ tuition…” and they all start yelling at each other and then Dany shouts something in Valyrian and Drogon presses his nose against the window like a dog wanting to come inside and all is well.

      hahaha this is so good, now I get the background behind this photo, is Dany minutes before calling Drogon lol

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/d1/9b/1e/d19b1ee834ab22bd5f46a84ad18033da.jpg

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    139. A Dornish Tyrell:
      Dee Stark,

      In the last pic, Jon seems very annoyed at what LF is saying… Probably some half truth in the form of a veiled insult. I just hope that Jon doesn’t hurt my dear LF too much!!! 😀 😀 😀

      I’m very excited about Dany’s Small Council… and I think I might have a clue about Euron’s gift to Cersei…

      I’m guessing Littlefinger is telling John who his real parents are. And it doesn’t sit well.

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    140. Flayed Potatoes:
      Lmao Jon looks so over Littlefinger in that last picture. Same Jon. Same.

      If Arya is at the Inn then that means HOT PIE IS RETURNING!

      Surprised we don’t have any Cersei/Jaime photos this episode.

      I can just picture the scene: “So, Hot Pie, I’ve been using those recipes you shared with me. They were such a hit!”

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    141. HereBeDragons:
      QueenofThrones,

      True,

      Then the only other one that could turn up at this time is someone from the Iron Bank.
      That would be unexpected and would love to see, (can’t think of his name but he was Shelocks brother and was the one who spoke of th Iron Banks council members )

      Mark Gatiss plays Mycroft Holmes, Sherlock’s brother, as well as Tycho, the banker in Braavos. Mark also co-created and co-writes Sherlock with Steven Moffat, much like D&D do for GoT. I very nearly love Sherlock as much as GoT.

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    142. HereBeDragons:
      O God O God O God

      I think I’ve just solved the Hounds vision of a mountain shaped like an arrowhead is. 😀 😀 😀

      I’m sure of it!!! lol

      I can’t get the spoiler code to work but I’m Dying to see what others think…?

      We need not use spoiler code for speculation unless that speculation is based on leaks. My speculation is the Frostfang mountains, which border the other side of the Wall (the west side) from Eastwatch by the Sea.

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    143. Maester Andy: Yes, the Inn is in the Riverlands near the Trident. Either way, the Ed Sheeran scene would be in the Riverlands somewhere between the Twins and King’s Landing. In 403 “Breaker of Chains”, the Hound says he and Arya were near Fairmarket when they meet the Farmer and his daughter. So yes, they should be pretty close, but the snow threw me off as well – it could be a continuity error, or the locations are different.

      I like maps, so here’s what I see when I look at maps:

      The Hound and the Brotherhood being at the farmhouse near Fairmarket implies that they’re staying off the Kingsroad, which is sensible, because they’re bandits with prices on their heads. Fairmarket is about 200 miles northwest of the Inn at the Crossroads. There are no major roads along that route, but I would guess there are paths running along the bank of the Blue Fork.

      The Inn is located about halfway between the Twins and King’s Landing.
      About 425 miles from King’s Landing to the Inn, and about the same from the Inn to the Twins. I’m guessing that ravens brought news of the Freys’ deaths to King’s Landing pretty quickly, and the soldiers were sent out in a hurry to deal with it.

      Arya seems to be riding openly, chatting with Lannister soldiers and brazenly telling them that she’s going to King’s Landing to kill the Queen, so I’m guessing she’s taking the Kingsroad rather than skulking through the wilderness. The logical place for that meeting would be somewhere near the Inn at the Crossroads.

      This means that Arya probably passed the Hound and the Brotherhood during episode 1 without ever meeting them because they were taking a parallel path on the opposite side of a river or two, probably about 50 miles off the road to avoid situations like encountering bands of Lannister soldiers.

      If Arya is at the Inn in the episode 2 picture, then the meeting with the soldiers is likely still a bit north of the Inn, but still probably at least 100 or 150 miles southeast of Fairmarket, far enough that the weather could be different. There were little patches of snow in Arya’s scene, so it was obviously cold in both places, but snow can be quite localized, so I don’t see any continuity problems here.

      For the meeting to be north of the Inn though means that either Arya is traveling at a significantly slower pace than the soldiers (she had a head start of however long it took the ravens to deliver the news, yet they’re meeting north of the halfway point), or they didn’t march from King’s Landing. If the Lannisters are keeping a garrison at Harrenhal again, then it would make sense for them to send soldiers from there rather than King’s Landing, in which case Arya meeting them north of the Inn would make much more sense.

      I see potential for Arya to meet Hot Pie and/or Nymeria in episode 2, so maybe something will change her mind about King’s Landing, and she’ll turn around and head back north. If she does turn around soon and heads straight up the Kingsroad toward Winterfell, it’s possible that she could even catch up with the Brotherhood if they’re taking a long, slow, snowy off-road route past Oldstones, trying to find safe places to ford frigid rivers, and/or trying to get around Moat Cailin by going through the swamps.

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    144. If you watch the Title Sequence closely in “Dragonstone” (S7E1), you can see “Inn at the Cross Roads” between Dragonstone and the Twins. I don’t recall seeing it on the map before.

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    145. Ghost Lunch,

      It appears he’s looking up at Sansa, kind of with worried expression. And in hers she is glaring back, ugh. Don’t do anything you shouldn’t Sansa! Also seems like Davos is keeping his head down a lot this season. Would like to hear his thoughts so I hope he has many lines in future episodes.

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    146. Thronetender,

      Remember the voice over in the trailer where Littlefinger says something like “you’re father and brothers are all gone, yet here you stand the last hope against the coming storm?” I’m thinking this is said in the crypts. Cannot figure out where LF’s going with that convo that would end up pissing off Jon to that extent. He must say something negative about Ned, maybe also Robb. Or perhaps romanticizes over Sansa in a creepy way.

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    147. Casso,

      So, you remember your geography lessons and how to solve mathematical word problems! I’m impressed. 😉

      In all seriousness… Great post.

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    148. jonathan,

      He told us he’d be traveling for most of the summer, and missing many if not most of the GoT debuts. We’ll have to wait until he gets back and binge-watches them… 😐

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    149. Sansa’s Knight,
      there ain’t no conditioner and it’s fookin cold which means dry damaged hair

      Which is why she needs a good trim lol. Long hair is beautiful but only if it’s in nice condition. But I’m one that can’t handle dry, frizzy ends and run off to the hairdressers if and when that occurs 🙂

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    150. Onion Knight,

      Actually, it has been on the map since season 1, episode 1! Understandable, though, given that the camera has never “stopped” at this location.

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    151. Wolfish,

      Thanks.

      I just rewatched the Arya scenes, I did notice one thing I hadn’t paid much attention to before, which could be just a minor continuity error, but it makes the timing of things a bit hard to reconcile.

      Walder/Arya’s speech mentioned that this was the second feast in a single fortnight, so the Frey massacre was less than 14 days after Jaime left the Twins. Even if Jaime was hurrying to get home to Cersei, and covering 50 miles per day, it would take about 17 days for him to reach King’s Landing. If a raven can make the flight in a few days, he would have arrived at around the same time, or after, the news of the massacre reached King’s Landing.

      The Sept was still smoldering when Jaime arrived, so the explosion was likely fairly recent at that time (though with all that wildfire and primitive firefighting equipment, it could have burned for quite a while). One of the soldiers that Arya meets talks about visiting King’s Landing, and says the Sept of Baelor was destroyed, which means he was there quite recently.

      Some possible explanations:
      1) It’s just a minor continuity error and I’m over-thinking this way too much.
      2) Arya loitered at the Twins for a while after the massacre (freeing Edmure? Collecting equipment and supplies? Organizing a Tully takeover of the Twins?), and/or is traveling very slowly.
      3) Those soldiers are traveling at a crazy forced march pace and probably harming their horses.
      4) The meeting is actually somewhere south of the Inn at the Crossroads, and the episode 2 picture at the Inn is after Arya turns around and heads back north.
      5) The Sept of Baelor has been smoldering for quiet a while, and the soldier visited King’s Landing some time after the explosion, but had already been assigned to the garrison at Harrenhal before news of the Frey massacre reached King’s Landing (around the same time as Jaime). Maybe Cersei was enjoying her new taste of power and decided to play military strategist and reposition her armies, and those soldiers passed through King’s Landing on their way to their new assignment at Harrenhal, before being sent to deal with the Frey situation.

      It’s probably option #1.

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    152. Looking forward to Dany/Varys at war council. I know Varys wants peace in the realm and I wonder how he feels about Dany the conqueror? I guess Little Finger will, once again, set off another Stark. Same Little Finger, different Stark. I hope Jon remembers Sansa’s advice about Ned and Rob, speaking of Stark males. GOT and their direct foreshadowing puts it in for a reason. Ned had compassion for Cersei and her children and he believed he could actually reason with her. We all know the results of Ned attempting to reach out to Cersei. And by the way, she destroys ALL her enemies. If the recent events from the sept are any indication, then all bets are off with her. And the most tragic event of all, Rob basically losing the north. His selfish decision resulted in disasterous results for himself and his family, as well as his supporters. Also, after watching Arya and the soldiers last week, I hope she starts to realize that many people just are human beings with families of their own. I have some hope that maybe she might reconnect with who she used to be, at least somewhat. Will she kill the queen? Will she rediscover some of her old self? Will she ever encounter Melisandre again? One of my favorites to watch is Theon. I hope he continues to reconnect with his old self as well.

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    153. Markus Stark,

      Yeah, I figured what you meant.
      I am saying I don’t think it is that big a question mark, because most people of the north understand the real threat coming, and wouldn’t oppose to having more help.

      Also, maybe someone can help me out. But “Eastwatch by the Sea” is a castle, part of “the Wall”?? Why would their men be different from the Night’s watch?

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    154. Dee Stark:
      Sorry to be that person but pleaseeeeeeeee people cover spoilers, even small speculation based on something you know LOLOL

      I WANT TO PARTICIPATE in this chat hahahaha:

      Reaction:

      Having only seen one trailer… and only a couple times… and having not seen the preview… to answer Sue’s question:

      “What image intrigues you all the most this week?”

      UMMMM THAT LAST PIC
      Jon looks like he wants to punch LF
      What is he saying to him?!!??!?!?!?!?1
      SDFGHJIN^F&YBUNO

      Also… why is Jon leaving so soon.. Ughhh WAIT FOR BRAN, IT IS KNOWN

      Dee the unspoiled fan. 😉😉 It’s really mission impossible, right? That’s why I’m not reading most of the comments in such detail as I can never be sure if it’s actual speculation or leaks. Well, I know yours are genuine speculation.

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    155. Sam,

      I know, we have to be so very careful

      ohhhhhh I never even thought that maybe Jon is going to the wall!!!!!!!!!!!
      OH MY GODDDDD!!!

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    156. Sam,

      Me either

      Possible scenarios:

      Jon goes to the wall
      Jon goes to Dragonstone?!? So farrrrr!!!!!
      Jon goes to northern house?!

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    157. Dee Stark,

      Yeah, I thought of the third one, too. Maybe he set out to go to a northern house where the “revolt” is happening??? And maybe Sansa is glowering because she advised him to stay put and let his soldiers take care of it and he didn’t listen once AGAIN. 🙂

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    158. whateverdgaf:
      Goldeneye,
      I genuinely cannot imagine why. In the interview, he said it’s never expressed and it seems to just be his head canon, as he said he talked it over with Gwen. But you’d think he’d have some respect for the lady who rescued his sister. I mean, she didn’t have to. Brienne didn’t owe the Starks anything and she still risked her neck to rescue Sansa. Jon should be grateful.

      Maybe it’s a personality thing. Brienne can be intolerant, suspicious, and dour. No sense of humor. She was also sys picious of the fact Jon had Davos working with him.

      Or jon may be suspicious of Brienne. she once swore her sword to Catelyn (Jon has some baggage), and he might know that she carries a Lannister blade and wonder whether she has alterior motives

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    159. QueenofThrones:

      and he might know that she carries a Lannister blade and wonder whether she has alterior motives

      I wonder when will Jon and Sansa realize/know that Brienne’s sword is half of their father’s sword. I have a feeling it won’t be addressed on the show though.

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    160. I notice some posters might be unknowingly giving away spoilers maybe? I have watched quite a bit of tv throughout the years and especially on got, if you pay close attention, alot of dialogue is forshadowing. Alot of my predictions are based on foreshadowing. But I enjoy not really knowing what will happen and the whole fun is in speculation
      . If I am wrong, that is ok. Knowing what will happen takes away the fun for me. Also knowing the characters in the books at least, helped me predict their future choices. I know show is different however.

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    161. Sam: I wonder when will Jon and Sansa realize/know that Brienne’s sword is half of their father’s sword. I have a feeling it won’t be addressed on the show though.

      It is curious that Brienne has chosen to keep this fact from the Starks. It is an odd decision for somebody as straight and honorable as Brienne. What’s worse, she was willing to give this sword back to Jaime, without considering that the Starks may have a better right to the sword.

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    162. HereBeDragons,
      I suppose the one thing we have to remember when it comes to Baelish is : where is his interest ? What does he want ?

      Littlefinger telling Robert about Jon’s true parentage certainly would have created chaos between Good Ol’ Bobby and Ned, and Ned and Jon would surely have been killed as a result of it but they would not have taken the kingdom down with them. Furthermore, revealing Jon was Lyanna’s son would have amounted to proving Ned had never cheated which would have made Catelyn even more in love and at peace with her (late) husband. I am going to assume that was never part of Baelish’s hopes and dreams ^^
      Perhaps that is why he kept his mouth shut, assuming he has indeed known, or at least suspected, Jon’s true lineage for a while.

      However, the circumstances are quite different now. Would Littlefinger tell Jon about his parents ? I doubt it. Would he tell others ? That seems more likely… Make other people aware the King in the North, a title only ever carried by Starks-born-of-Stark-men, is actually a Targaryen, allow them to believe Jon has known for a long time and, if and when the White Wolf makes a deal with a fellow Dragon, sit and watch as people imagine they have been tricked into supporting a Targaryen putsch north of the Neck.

      Shady be shadyin’

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    163. Dee Stark:

      Also, maybe someone can help me out. But “Eastwatch by the Sea” is a castle, part of “the Wall”?? Why would their men be different from the Night’s watch?

      Eastwatch-by-the-Sea is the easternmost castle of the Night’s Watch. If you go back to season three – Kissed by Fire – Jon is questioned about which of the nineteen castles on the Wall are manned. He tells Orell and Tormund of three – Castle Black, Eastwatch-by-the-Sea and the Shadow Tower.

      Jon could feel it is somewhere that needs to be more heavily fortified than it is. He does say to Tormund that Eastwatch is closest to Hardhome, the last known location of the Night King – this seems to be why it is chosen rather than one of the sixteen that lie empty. But Eastwatch is one of the Night’s Watch castles.

      Hope that helps!

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    164. Sam: I wonder when will Jon and Sansa realize/know that Brienne’s sword is half of their father’s sword. I have a feeling it won’t be addressed on the show though.

      Possibility 1: Brienne and Sansa have talked about it offscreen, Sansa tells Brienne she earned the blade so it’s hers now (explains why she thought it appropriate to return to Jaime).

      Possibility 2: Dropped plot point. Important part is Brienne has a VS sword not whose it is or was.

      Possibility 3: It will come up later to spur some conflict or as a peace offering or something. Maybe if/when the whole crew meet up. Did we confirm from trailer footage that Jaime has the other half (Joffery’s/Tommen’s sword) now?

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    165. In the show Jaime never told Brienne that the sword was part of the Stark sword “Ice” re-forged. Just a Valyrian Sword he gave her.

      So unless she is clued up on what House had Valyrian swords I assume she is none the wiser.

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    166. Alba Stark,

      Helps very much
      but someone in the thread mention Jon sending the wildlings there may not bode well with the people manning Eastwatch by the Sea… so my question also is.. aren’t they also part of the night’s watch.. so if Edd is LC.. and most likely OKAY with whoever Jon sends to help… then shouldn’t all Nights watch brothers obey the LC

      Yes I know, not all nights watch brothers were NOT okay with what Jon as LC did… but after everything and the mutineers and the executions .. youd think no one would try that again

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    167. Sacred Lime,

      Does Brienne even know? For that matter, does Jaime? Tywin only said “Someone who won’t be needing it.” I mean, Ned hasn’t needed it for a while now.

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    168. QueenofThrones: Yes.That is exactly what I just said.

      “In any case, even if Ellaria is coming form Dorne, she would not be an “unexpected” vistior”

      Varys was in Dorne with Ellaria and Olenna and then immediately shown sailing to Westeros with Dany. I assume Ellaria and Olenna were sailing with them too off screen.

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    169. Dee Stark:

      Helps very much
      but someone in the thread mention Jon sending the wildlings there may not bode well with the people manning Eastwatch by the Sea… so my question also is.. aren’t they also part of the night’s watch.. so if Edd is LC.. and most likely OKAY with whoever Jon sends to help… then shouldn’t all Nights watch brothers obey the LC

      Yes I know, not all nights watch brothers were NOT okay with what Jon as LC did… but after everything and the mutineers and the executions .. youd think no one would try that again

      Strictly speaking yes, all brothers should obey the Lord Commander – Janos Slynt is a prime example of what happens to brothers who refuse to follow orders. And Jon is effectively sending Edd more men (even if they won’t be Night’s Watch brothers) – so I really don’t see Edd having a problem with it. As Bran pointed out, Edd was at the Fist of the First Men and at Hardhome. He knows the Night King is coming for all of them.

      That said, there may be men at Eastwatch who – like Thorne – see the Free Folk as their true enemies. We will need to wait and see what the reaction at Eastwatch is like. There may be tension between the two groups, or they may simply accept much-needed help.

      Although everyone at Castle Black knows Jon was murdered and then raised from the dead, we cannot be sure how much of this is widely known by the Night’s Watch men in the other castles. The Northern lords, for example, seem to know Jon has left the Watch after rising to the rank of Lord Commander – but how many of them know he has come back from the dead? It hasn’t been made clear. I’m guessing it isn’t something he chose to share.

      We cannot know how much the Eastwatch men are aware of what happened at Castle Black and that Jon – like Mormont – was executed as part of a mutiny. If they are, then you’d think that executing a third consecutive Lord Commander might be taking things a little too far.

      We will need to wait and see what the dynamic at Eastwatch is once Tormund and his men arrive.

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    170. Sacred Lime,

      The fact that I can remember that off the top of my head probably suggests that I’ve re-watched this show a few too many times.

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    171. Sam:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      My wild guess for the “unexpected visitor” is Melisandre, owing to that image of her in one of the trailers.

      Agreed. The trailer shows her overlooking the Dragonstone archway.

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    172. Jack Bauer 24,

      It makes sense for her to go there because she used to live there.

      BTW, I was wondering why Dragonstone was deserted. Does anyone remember if it was mentioned on the show that every single person there left with Stannis?

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    173. Sam:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      It makes sense for her to go there because she used to live there.

      BTW, I was wondering why Dragonstone was deserted. Does anyone remember if it was mentioned on the show that every single person there left with Stannis?

      Sam,

      I don’t think it was covered one way or the other. Maybe they were fumigating Dragonstone while Stannis was away, so everyone had to gtfo.

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    174. Ah, I remember now. Yes, Brienne knows. OK, the next question is who cares?

      I mean, it’s not like when Sansa was getting raped by Ramsay, she thought “I wish someone would rescue me, but not Brienne, because she has my dad’s old sword!”

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    175. QueenofThrones,

      OR… the two swords won’t work against each other because they share the same phoenix feather. So, Jaime and Brienne make out instead. And then Tormund and Cersei look at each other, shrug their shoulders, and start making out too.

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    176. Mr Derp: Sam,

      I don’t think it was covered one way or the other.Maybe they were fumigating Dragonstone while Stannis was away, so everyone had to gtfo.

      LOL! 😀 That’s a fair assumption.

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    177. Alba Stark,

      thank you for this 🙂
      I agree

      I just think theres not much time to waste on more NW brothers being against Wildlings.

      They have been there long enough to see that they come in peace

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    178. I really think that Sansa’s wig looks fine, it’s a tiny bit different from Sophie’s actual hair but it’s a totally believable wig in my opinion. What continues to bug me much more is Emilia’s wig – seriously, Daenerys has spent the last couple of weeks, maybe even months on a ship and her hair looks like she’s just walked out of a hair salon. I really liked the wigs they used for her in the earlier seasons because her hair looked like an actual hair in a world without hair dryers and curling irons. Sansa’s wig on the other hand looks much more realistic because the hair texture isn’t perfect, somewhere it’s straighter, somewhere it’s curlier, just like real hair.

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    179. WorfWWorfington:
      QueenofThrones,

      OR… the two swords won’t work against each other because they share the same phoenix feather. So, Jaime and Brienne make out instead. And then Tormund and Cersei look at each other, shrug their shoulders, and start making out too.

      WorfWWorfington,

      There’s a “Is that your sword digging into my hip?” joke in there somewhere. I’m sure of it.

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    180. Tess: Daenerys has spent the last couple of weeks, maybe even months on a ship and her hair looks like she’s just walked out of a hair salon.

      Missandei is her hairdresser. 🙂

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    181. (Assuming we’re going to have scenes there) I’m interested how many NW they will show at Eastwatch. On the show we’ve only heard three names of men that are supposed to be there, Commander Cotter Pyke, head steward Borcas and Dareon who was assigned there at the same time Jon was assigned as a steward in S1. One would think that they too are severely undermanned. The books started with a couple hundred stationed there, but can they really have that many there on the show when Castle Black only has a couple dozen?

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    182. Lulus Mum,
      Ha ha ! Kitten in the North… That is positively adorable. He has always looked more like a chocolate labrador puppy to me but yes, let’s declare him Cuddly Kitty from the Cold. 😉

      And you are right; we shall not make the same mistakes as every dumb group of teenagers in every cabin-in-the-woods-based horror movie : we must stick together no matter what (and if sinister two-cord violin music starts playing, run like hell ! )

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    183. I highly highly doubt Jon will learn about who his true mother is via Littlefinger. Its most likely he’ll hear it from Howland Reed (particularly since Meera specifically mentions him and name drops in the first ep)

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    184. Sacred Lime:
      In the show Jaime never told Brienne that the sword was part of the Stark sword “Ice” re-forged. Just a Valyrian Sword he gave her.

      So unless she is clued up on what House had Valyrian swords I assume she is none the wiser.

      Nope ! wrong I think it’s in Oathkeeper, Jamie gives Brieene a new set of Armour and his sword, he specifically tells her you’ll be protecting Ned’s Stark girls with Ned Starks sword.

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    185. WorfWWorfington:
      Sacred Lime,

      Does Brienne even know? For that matter, does Jaime? Tywin only said “Someone who won’t be needing it.” I mean, Ned hasn’t needed it for awhile now.

      Jamie understood what dad meant, “from someone who no longer had need of it.”

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    186. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man:
      Sacred Lime,

      The fact that I can remember that off the top of my head probably suggests that I’ve re-watched this show a few too many times.

      You’re not alone LOL.
      I also believe Sansa knows WW is her dad’s sword, by the look on her face when it’s presented to Joffery.

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    187. ACME,
      If we do somehow get split up, whatever you do don’t go into the basement, attic or any other remote, spooky looking part of the building. ESPECIALLY if there’s strange noises coming from it. Even if you think there’s dragon glass in there – phone the police, er Night’s Watch, Brotherhood without Banners, whoever is nearest and has a bloody big sword.

      I love Davos and see him as a wise, kindly uncle figure on the show. So my mantra would be: what would Davos do/advise? If he thinks it’s a bad idea, believe him, it’s a bad idea.

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    188. Clob:

      (Assuming we’re going to have scenes there) I’m interested how many NW they will show at Eastwatch.On the show we’ve only heard three names of men that are supposed to be there, Commander Cotter Pyke, head steward Borcas and Dareon who was assigned there at the same time Jon was assigned as a steward in S1.One would think that they too are severely undermanned.The books started with a couple hundred stationed there, but can they really have that many there on the show when Castle Black only has a couple dozen?

      Castle Black’s numbers were hit by both the ranging to the Fist of the First Men and Mance’s attack; Qhorin Halfhand’s men came from the Shadow Tower, but we have no mention of any coming from Eastwatch. So I’d guess the numbers should be roughly the same as they were at the start of the show – unless perhaps men were transferred from Eastwatch to Castle Black as a way of bolstering numbers there, and it just wasn’t mentioned on-screen? Of course, there is no way of knowing if the number of men there in the show is anywhere near the numbers in the books.

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    189. WorfWWorfington: OR… the two swords won’t work against each other because they share the same phoenix feather. So, Jaime and Brienne make out instead. And then Tormund and Cersei look at each other, shrug their shoulders, and start making out too.

      lol. This must be it.

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    190. Lulus Mum: I love Davos and see him as a wise, kindly uncle figure on the show. So my mantra would be: what would Davos do/advise? If he thinks it’s a bad idea, believe him, it’s a bad idea.

      I need to get a bracelet with that motto!! WWDD?
      😀

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    191. Mr Derp,
      Although I love the South Park film I haven’t seen it for a loooong time and don’t remember that song. But I think you’re on to something there, Derpy one. BB is an Olympic standard figure skater, Winter is here, he could communicate with the Night King through the medium of ice dance. Or at least distract him long enough for others to sneak past, or whatever it is they need him distracted for. Ice dancing wight giants could be the most spectacular thing the winter Olympics have ever seen. They’d get top scores across the board simply because the judges were terrified of them 😀

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    192. Lulus Mum,
      Got it ! But, just to make sure, we can still follow strangers with lemon cakes and/or chicken, right ? I’m asking for a friend…
      Oh, and if you hear the opening of The Who’s Behind Blue Eyes in the distance, do not ask any question, just go ! Go like hell ! It’s the theme of a guy who had agreed to take his top off and follow a cute lady into the woods. Apparently, she broke his heart or something and he is quite bitter about it. And he’s got friends. So yeah… Go !

      As for the commandments of Westeros, I couldn’t agree more. There are not many but Seaworth is definitely one of them : Ned is almost always wrong so don’t listen to him; Cersei is almost always drunk and she will cut a bitch; Olenna ran out of fucks to give when she was five so don’t expect her to remember your name; and yes, Davos is almost always right so do pay attention !

      Count me in for the bracelet !

      Mr Derp,
      He’d make a plan and he’d follow through, that’s what Brian Boitano’d do !

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    193. Sam: Yeah, I thought of the third one, too. Maybe he set out to go to a northern house where the “revolt” is happening??? And maybe Sansa is glowering because she advised him to stay put and let his soldiers take care of it and he didn’t listen once AGAIN.

      Jon’s description for the Hardhome episode was, “Jon travels”. These small episode descriptions are hardly ever what people think it is. Speaking of following advice it does not really seem as if people are taking the White Walker threat as seriously as they should.

      ACME: However, the circumstances are quite different now. Would Littlefinger tell Jon about his parents ? I doubt it. Would he tell others ? That seems more likely… Make other people aware the King in the North, a title only ever carried by Starks-born-of-Stark-men, is actually a Targaryen, allow them to believe Jon has known for a long time and, if and when the White Wolf makes a deal with a fellow Dragon, sit and watch as people imagine they have been tricked into supporting a Targaryen putsch north of the Neck.

      Shady be shadyin’

      That would definitely be Littlefinger’s plan of action if he knew about Jon’s parentage. But I can honestly not see a good reason why Littlefinger would know about Jon’s parentage. It is well established that no one cares about bastards or what they are doing. Littlefinger didn’t know anything about Ramsay. It seems like a lot of people within Westeros doesn’t believe the story that Lyanna was kidnapped. Jorah also told Dany that Rhaegar fought valiantly and bravely but he still lost. I am not sure he would have told Dany that if he believed that Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna.

      It would be to contrived for Littlefinger to know anything about Jon’s parentage, Varys would be the more likely person to know something about this.

      Dee Stark: I just think theres not much time to waste on more NW brothers being against Wildlings.

      They have been there long enough to see that they come in peace

      The Nights Watch at Eastwatch has more experience and interaction with Wildlings, they are used to trading with Wildlings so they get along better with the Wildlings. This has also been mentioned in the history and lore videos.

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    194. HereBeDragons,

      Lol…maybe handmaids in the south know who northern ladies are. Or LF just looked them up via the Westerosi yellowpages. 🙂

      Thronetender,

      Not sure why you’re acting snarky, but that’s cool. I guess if by mastermind you mean, found a bunch of stuff already placed there that wasn’t much of a secret since as you say Tyrion already used some. Then, just found some of the “little birds” to set it off.

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    195. ugashep,

      How would Littlefinger know about that?Only Rhaegar, Lyanna, the 3 Kingsguard at the Tower of Joy, and Ned knew.And they are all dead. ”

      How did so many of us figure it out before the official reveal? People in world could too, especially people like LF.

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    196. Boudica: But I can honestly not see a good reason why Littlefinger would know about Jon’s parentage.

      I can think of just one : Catelyn.

      You are utterly right to state that no one in Westeros gives a flying fig about bastards, hence the Ramsay marriage debacle. But Jon is not any alleged adulterine child; he is Ned’s. He was introduced to the world as the living, breathing proof that Ned had cheated on his wife.

      When Littlefinger found out that Catelyn’s husband had come back from the rebellion with a bastard whom he intended to raise at Winterfell, he may have been somewhat intrigued, not to say interested. He might even have hoped such a blatant humiliation would drive a wedge between the spouses… Given his interest in Catelyn and “knowledge is power” ethos, it would not be so out-of-character for him to investigate further, to look for any bit of information available in regards to Ned’s alleged “indiscretion”, perhaps intending to communicate said information to Catelyn and offer her his shoulder to cry on.
      Who knows ? After digging for a while and finding absolutely no evidence of Ned cheating, Baelish may have started wondering where the child came from. Ned’s lie is about as transparent as they come once one puts one’s mind to it : the man came back from the war with a “raped” sister who had died in mysterious circumstances (he obviously could not name childbirth as her cause of death) and a baby who was born at around the same time the aforementioned sister died… No need to put Poirot on the case to figure that one out.

      That is of course no proof that Littlefinger knows or even suspects. But it is not so far-fetched a scenario, I believe, as to exclude the possibility.

      As for Varys, I agree. If anyone in the Targaryen circle knew about Rhaegar and Lyanna’s son, it has to be him.

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    197. Casso,

      I like maps also 😉 That’s a really good synopsis of where characters may be and perhaps why their paths haven’t crossed? i.e. some using the Kings Road and other using tracks to avoid it.

      It will many years/centuries before the GPS sat-nav system come to Planetos 😀

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    198. Mr Derp,

      Nope. Littlefinger is probably about to tell Jon that he isn’t even Ned’s son and maybe this is when Jon chokes him …Or maybe when he tells Jon that Sansa is the true heir of Winterfell because he is a bastard …Or maybe when he tells Jon that Sansa is the true heir of Winterfell because he is son of Lyanna… I think is one of those three.

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    199. ACME,

      This has been my thought as well. Brought it up a few days ago. Perfect opportunity for drama imo, though I hate it. Have it be known and word get around about Jon’s true parentage, only Sansa and the rest of the North find out about it first and are led to believe that Jon himself knows this. Ned not being there to back up the fact he kept it secret, Jon would have no proof of his ignorance about the matter. Can you imagine how wounded he would be not only finding out he’s not Ned’s but on top of it having to deal with how others now view him, as a pretender.

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    200. Pics that intrigue me the most are the ones with Littlefinger. He might have guessed that Jon is a Targaryen. Like Varys he spies on everyone but they also spy on each other (Varys/Littlefinger). So it is a possibility.

      From a “mise-en-scene” point of view, as a filmmaker/writer why set a conversation between these two characters in the crypt, near Lyanna Stark’s statue/tomb ? If not to talk about this, precisely.

      Remember that Littlefinger has to do something Littlefingerish –> it has been brewing since episode 10 season 6. What could be better to instil doubt in Jon’s heart, with (the truth or) a half-truth ?

      One last thing, on that Sansa pic, she looks more and more like a younger Cersei from season 1.

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    201. I am a little late to this one and just spent one hour reading all the comments.

      Some thoughts from my perspective:
      • I think the surprise visitor to Dany will be Melisandre, that’s my speculation and not a spoiler.
      • I hope we will see Bran this episode, will he still be at the wall or arriving at Winterfell potentially angonisingly missing Jon yet again?
      • do we feel the big sea battle will happen this episode? From spoilers

      we know Euron will destroy Danys fleet and capture Ellaria and Yara

      Only 3 days to go and I am already hyped to see this episode!

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    202. Tuttle,

      Do you follow the leaks? If so

      It looks like the crypt scene happens Ep2 so I don’t know but I’m thinking Jon not going to find out so early in season. But I do see it plausible that LF at some point plants the seed and Bran confirms it later

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    203. ugashep,

      Lmao…people figured it out because they read a book with breadcrumbs sprinkled in it by its author GRRM. Kinda like how we know about the Others since the first episode of the season, but that doesn’t mean that Cersei would be able to figure it out in KL.

      People….Littlefinger is not omnipotent. He didn’t even know Ramsay was a sadistic monster in the show, and that wasn’t even a secret in the north! Yet some how he knows this massive secret but has kept it to himself for 30 years, for no apparent reason. Why not tell Robert and try to claim a large chunk of a lordship in the north?

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    204. I suspect Littlefinger does not know the detail but may have some suspicion that Ned would really father a bastard. I’d speculate this is the sort of comment he would make i.e. “The Great Honourable Ned Stark, did he really father a bastard?”

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    205. Tuttle: From a “mise-en-scene” point of view, as a filmmaker/writer why set a conversation between these two characters in the crypt, near Lyanna Stark’s statue/tomb ? If not to talk about this, precisely.

      The viewer will obviously be expected to appreciate the tragic irony of Jon standing just feet from his mother’s tomb without realising.

      But we know that Ned is also buried there too, since Jon announced their intention to bury Rickon in the crypts, next to his father.

      So the conversation could revolve around Ned, with dramatic irony existing in our knowledge that Littlefinger betrayed Ned, which Jon is presumably also unaware of.

      Plus, Littlefinger wandering around the Winterfell crypts is symbolic of his intrusion into the Stark family and its affairs.

      And in this secluded, private place he’s free to be more candid and antagonistic with Jon, away from the sight of Sansa and the other Lords.

      So there are a number of reasons why they would set the scene here. Not just because of Lyanna.

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    206. I still think it’s possible that this boils down to Littlefinger doing the following:

      * Looking at a calendar and noticing that Lyanna’s “abduction” and Jon’s age kind of sync up
      * Making a very good guess that there is no way in hell Ned would cheat on Catelyn
      * Already suspecting that Lyanna wasn’t all that into Robert and that Rhaegar wasn’t all that into Elia and that the “abduction” may not have been one. (Having said that, just because it produced a kid doesn’t mean it wasn’t abduction/rape)
      * Wondering what the hell Ned would be covering up? Making a guess from there…

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    207. Jon Snowed,
      I am curious if we’ve seen the last of Castle Black for this season. It would seem slightly pointless to have another scene of Bran & Meera with Edd now that we know they’ve come through. All other talk has been about Eastwatch. I’m going to guess the next time we see Bran he and Meera will be riding to or arriving at Winterfell.

      The question I have is if Bran will take Ghost with him. From what we’ve seen he should still be at CB….

      Yes, the sea battle will be episode 2. Euron doesn’t destroy Daenerys’ entire fleet though, just Yara’s ships and possibly Dornish ones. From leaks I guess we’re suppose to assume Euron’s fleet left Blackwater before Daenerys arrived as he will attack Yara’s group away from Dragonstone as they head toward Dorne to set up another front.

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    208. ygritte,
      Indeed.
      The only thing we can be certain of is that the revelation of Jon’s true lineage will be no picnic, especially for Jon.

      The poor man will have to accept that the man he has always loved, admired and emulated lied to him for his entire life, that his real parents are directly reponsible for a war that caused thousands upon thousands of deaths, that one of his grandfathers killed the other one in an abhorrent way and that the one identity he has always wanted to acquire is technically not his to claim…

      At this point, I only hope he will at least be spared the belief he is the product of rape.

      As for the political response, if indeed Northerners are led to believe Jon has kept his real identity a secret, it will be awful. Quite simply awful. But even if they are not, it will still be chaotic at best. For the first time in history, the King in the North is not a Stark and it is bound to have some consequences.
      Either the lords accept Jon as a Stark because of his mother, in which case matrilinear transmission will be officially instaured in the North; or the lords accept Jon as a Targaryen and the Direwolves will be dislodged as the ruling family in the North; or the lords reject Jon and someone else will have to be put in charge.
      One way or the other (or the other other), times, they are a-changin’.

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    209. ACME,

      He’s not a Stark now, he’s a Snow. No king legitimized him. He’d still be half Stark, just on the female side of the family. That changes nothing.

      I don’t think Jon finds out until Bran meets up with him. That’s his purpose in the story. He will reveal Jon’s true parentage.

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    210. WallyFrench,
      I wish I could believe that but it is not what Lyanna Mormont said : “The North remembers! We know no king but the King in the North whose name is Stark. I don’t care if he’s a bastard. Ned Stark’s blood runs through his veins.”

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    211. Sumchik78,

      This made me just think of Melisandre finding Gendry again and bringing him back to Dragonstone to forge Valyrian steel from dragon fire!

      Her comment to Dany from the most recent season trailer could support this.

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    212. ACME,

      Stark blood is Stark blood. It’s not like they’d find out he’s half Targaryaen and half Tyrell. We will have to agree to disagree and let the show eventually reveal which one of us is right. 🙂

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    213. WallyFrench,
      The North is no different from the rest of Westeros and does not recognise matrilinear filiation unless the male line is either completely extinct or void (like with the Mormonts). Maternal blood is less important than its paternal counterpart. As such, Jon is legally no more a Stark than Shereen was a Florent or Tywin was a Marbrand.
      But you are right, we will have to wait and see how Northerners react ^^

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    214. Bring on the Littlefinger vs Jon in the crypts confrontation! I have been stoked for this since we saw a hint of it in the trailer. Dying to see those two confront each other and also to know what information if any is exchanged!

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    215. Lulus Mum,

      Thank you very much for the enquiry and followed explanations regarding spoiler codes. Tis is appreciated 🙂

      *waits* for the usual “stop switching accounts” retorts…. Why… I have no idea XD!

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