New clip of Game of Thrones S5E5 “Kill the Boy”; the title of episode 9 revealed!

A new preview clip from next Sunday’s Game of Thrones episode “Kill the Boy” has turned up online after originally airing on the OSN network.

The preview features a Bolton family dinner. Spoilers, naturally!

In other news, it looks like the title of episode 9 may have been tucked into the coding of the HBO website already. A redditor posted today a link to the coding page for episode 9, which along with the usual casting/credits information includes a title.

The apparent title? “The Dance of Dragons.” It’s a slight twist on the title of the fifth book in the A Song of Ice and Fire series, A Dance with Dragons.

Click for spoilers.

Given what we know of Daenerys and the appearance of Drogon in Daznak’s Pit, it makes sense they’d draw on a dragon reference for episode 9. Filming spoilers had led fans to believe that the Pit would be showing up in episode 9.

Assuming this is legit, what do you think of the title? It’s always great to have a nice book reference in there.

UPDATE: A source has confirmed for me that this is the real thing. “The Dance of Dragons” for episode 9!

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    1. I guess my question would be: What type of dance will the dragons be performing? I’m hoping it’s a jive, but I have a strong suspicion they may go with the typical interpretive artsy fartsy stuff.

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    2. Is it just me or does Sansa look exactly like Jeyne Poole did, way back when? (hairstyle, color and collar)

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    3. Well … I guess I won’t be joining discussions until after episode 5 airs!!!

      I have only myself to blame but that OSN “Behind the Scenes” clip revealed alot of information and I’m mad that HBO let that get out to various video media outlets BEFORE the episode even screened!!!

      I’m only human and dangling Roose, Ramsey, Walda, Sansa and Theon before me was too much to resist.

      Ugh!

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    4. RIP Fat Walda.

      ricochet,

      Actually it’s similar to the outfit Catelyn wore in S3. In fact that high collar is identical. A nice homage to her mother.

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    5. ricochet:
      Is it just me or does Sansa look exactly like Jeyne Poole did, way back when? (hairstyle, color and collar)

      I did a double take at first. I thought it was Jeyne.

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    6. This is another quick way to refute the reports from 4chan,

      since the guy said Dany would fly on Drogon in episode 10.

      Not that we didn’t know about it beforehand, but now it’s a “confirmation”. He might be right, but some things are still off.

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    7. ‘The Dance Of Dragons’? D&D, you rascals! Always having to alter phrases from the books, no matter how slightly. You couldn’t just add another ‘the’ after ‘of’?

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    8. ricochet,

      Yes, the outfit and styling is similar to Jeyne’s look. Traditional Northern look perhaps? I’m a little worried about the lovely Walda. Something nasty is happening in WF and I’m not quite sure what it will be?

      As far as the episode title…

      I’ve been confused about filming spoilers; I thought Daznak’s Pit was in episode 10. What then will we see of Dany in the finale? Based on the title, I guess Rhaegal and Viserion are freed in episode 9. I’m interested to see how Jon’s story line will parallel Dany’s in the final two episodes. Dany has to shed Meereen just as Jon has to leave the NW behind.

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    9. Bold prediction here:

      They like their multiple meaning episode titles. If there is no Aegon and no one is taking his place, I don’t think it’s a stretch to think this episode could reveal Jon Snow’s parentage. They are dropping a tremendous amount of hints now, which in TV land means…it’s coming. And before anyone says it’s too early…is it? They claim they want to go 7 seasons. Episode 9 of season 5 is not too early in that scenario. Plus it sets up tremendous drama for what we think will happen to Jon Snow in episode 10. We learn his parentage, we get excited, we think this changes everything…bam rug pulled out from under you, “dead” one episode later.

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    10. ace,

      It works now, thanks!

      There were definitely hints dropped that Ramsay will be killing Walda. I liked the look that Roose gave him when he told him that he thinks it may be a boy. 😀

      Apparently the ruins are Valyria, which makes me believe that is a statue and not a stone man.

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    11. I love how Ramsay says “Reek!” Also, I’m so incredibly excited for this whole storyline, just terrified to see what will happen to Sansa.

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    12. I notice that OCN doesn’t even mention the Mannis in their list of characters, and gurgles something about Mance and Jon striking a deal in season 4. Was this what being thrown down the memory hole in Soviet times was like?

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    13. Notice at 4.08 in the video, the figure in the top left corner that moves behind Tyrion. What the heck is that?

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    14. Here Be Dragons,

      Spoiler tag your post so it doesn’t get deleted again.

      Really? It didn’t see it move at all. It looked like it was in a kneeling stance the entire time and doesn’t seem to have any clothes or facial features.

      Nevermind, I see it now. I was talking about the one at 3:15. STONE MEN CONFIRMED!

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    15. Trystane will be revealed as Aegon in this episode. Toby Sebastian is listed in the episode. Dance of the Dragons is what will happen in Book 6/7 between him and Dany. It has to be then.

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    16. The behind the scenes video confirms the

      stone men

      in episode 5, you can see one stand up in the background at the end of the video.

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    17. Tori Targaryen:
      Notice at 4.08 in the video, the figure in the top left corner that moves behind Tyrion. What the heck is that?

      Holy crap….I just thought the boat was moving, but that’s scary as hell.

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    18. Yung Wolf,

      No big mystery… when I see I’ve failed yet again to spoiler tag my post, I just backspace the whole comment and press “save”

      I used to have the “spoiler” tag figured out but lost the knack this year. lol

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    19. Here Be Dragons,

      You can delete your own posts? Do tell.

      I just went forward in time and asked you how to do something in the past. Boom. 😉

      You just add [ spoiler ] to the beginning of your post and [ /spoiler ] to the end of it without the spaces. Not that confusing, I don’t think.

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    20. Sean C.,

      I thought Steve’s version makes for great TV and a good cliffhanger.

      If Melissandre can find Gendry in the middle of the Riverlands with no knowledge of his whereabouts… I could swallow she knows how to see this in her flames.

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    21. OMG Samwell Tarly does NOT seem to be happy about SNOWs deal with Tormund (he only likes Gilly)

      So its not Olly and Samwell Tarly for the shanking of Jon Snow!

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    22. Oh my, I’m super excited for next episode now, lot’s of great stuff coming. <3

      The only thing – my personal taste probably – what I kind of didn't like:

      Drogon's flight animation – I didn't like it in ep. 2 when he was flying over Mereen – something is odd the way his wings work.

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    23. Tori Targaryen,

      Gotta say I called this as soon as I saw the ep5 preview Sunday night.

      It’s a stone man that initially looks like a statue, and I’m guessing as Tyrion and Jorah are looking up at Drogon flying past, he will jump on the boat and attack them.
      Also, for future reference, I’m calling that one of the last scenes of the season is a reveal of Jorah having contracted greyscale. :(((

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    24. Here Be Dragons:
      Yung Wolf,

      No big mystery… when I see I’ve failed yet again to spoiler tag my post, I just backspace the whole comment and press “save”

      I used to have the “spoiler” tag figured out but lost the knack this year. lol

      I do spoilers the easy (or lazy) way, I copy and paste the start spoiler code from the top
      – type what I am going to say, then before I submit the comment I go back to the example spoiler tag and copy/paste the end spoiler tag. It may be a very low tech method but it works. As show Ramsay has been legitimised now would Walda’s child be a threat to his position? I thought not.

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    25. gewa76,

      In my dreams last night I realised Tyrion would catch greyscale, so I’m rolling with it. I’d be surprised if neither one of them catches it.

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    26. Am I the only one who read the cast names from the coding of Episode #9, there’s some interesting names I wasn’t expecting in Episode 9 (by the looks of it there’s going to be no single focus, it’s jam packed with a hell of a lot of people). Which means the longest time we’ll spend with any major character is going to be 15 minutes at best.

      Daznak’s Pit – 15 minutes max for the whole scene from start to finish

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    27. Mustafa. S.,

      The names in the code are not the names of the cast for the ep, it’s the names of the whole cast + Dornish team as seen in all the Eps in the schedule.

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    28. Greenjones:
      Mustafa. S.,

      What unexpected names are in the cast list for it? I can’t read code, you see…

      Just spoiler-code your answers, I guess.

      All the main cast is listed in the codepage for episode 9.
      So I wouldnt give any credit there, it’s just the beta-page with no modifications to the main cast list yet.

      I dont even think the cast listed on HBO for the episodes to come in May has been altered to fit the real cast appearances.

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    29. So there is no Cersei and King’s Landing or Jaime or Dorne in episode 5? I checked on imbd and it does not mention Lena Headey, Nikolaj or Natalie Dormer etc in the cast and crew. I was hoping we Littlefinger or Lady Olenna Tyrell would have arrive in King’s Landing and would feature in this episode! 🙁 A little less excited now about episode 5!

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    30. Absolutely cannot WAIT to see Theon/Reek and Sansa interact! It’s what I’ve been most excited about from the massive book changes. Only a few days now!
      FAT WALDA!

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    31. About spoiler code: You need to use [ ] not triangle brackets like for bold or italics. It is kind of confusing and doesn’t always seem to work.

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    32. steve,
      wizardeyes,

      I like this bold prediction.

      I am eagerly awaiting the moment that the show reveals this tidbit of information. I’m just not sure who would reveal it or how it would come up in episode 9. If the episode title has a double meaning as suspected, then maybe we will get a few more hints about his parents rather than a full confirmation. I was pleasantly surprised with the hints given in the last episode. Having Stannis and LF “doubting” accepted explanations was very effective and, IMO, logical.

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    33. i have been thinking and iam the one who believes the three headed dragon is dany and her dragons are hers only .no one will be riding them until she dies.
      so what if in the show all three dragons appear in the daznak and fly away with their mother to the dothraki sea .

      and this scene will be a callback to season 1 ending but only difference is now dany will be on the shoulder of Drogon
      what do you guys think

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    34. Why would the episode title has a double meaning?

      Only The Chlidren had that.

      The Mountain and the Viper, The Lion and the Rose, The Rains of Castamere, Mhysa, Blackwater, Baelor,….

      All these titles had only one meaning.

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    35. One thing I’ve wondered about the change of the Stone Men from Chroyane to Valyria:

      In the book, Euron got the dragon horn in the ruins of Valyria — and no one else went there, or more accurately, no one else came back from there. Will Tyrion and Jorah find a dragon horn in Valyria since Euron appears to be cut from the show, and they appear to be passing through the ruins in the episode preview? (of course, the whole idea of dragon horns could easily be cut out completely)

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    36. HelloThere:

      Are they really complaining about a butchered “Westeros” geography while Tyrion and Jorah are in Essos? LOL (not to mention that nothing about the geography has been changed, anyways)

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    37. HelloThere:

      Why would they be? Tyrion and Varys went overland from Pentos to Volantis (there’s a road along the Rhone I’d guess), and were presumably planning on taking a ship around Valyria and into Slaver’s Bay. Jorah’s little dinghy cannot venture so far out to sea, so he is hugging the coast despite the (mythical?) dangers of Valyria. This seems an entirely reasonable approach geographically, and from a show perspective, it is a great move as we get to see Valyria (obviously important to the story) rather than some place that is interesting but of minor note in the books and has never been mentioned at all in the TV series. This is a perfect example of a reasonable and positive change made in adapting something from the books to TV – essentially condensing two sets into one. Bravo to D&D for this choice.

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    38. mariamb: Yes, the outfit and styling is similar to Jeyne’s look. Traditional Northern look perhaps?

      ? Jeyne never was on the show.

      steve,

      There is no particular reason to think that

      Aegon won’t be in next season.

      After all, B&W never add major supporting characters until the supporting character becomes relevant to the story and/or plot(s). Now, it might be that they are going to cut this from the show in order to streamline the plot – from what we can glean of the story and plots of Winter, it will be a major impetus but not the sole impetus for the tale – but it is essentially a negative evidence argument at this point to state that this plotline is cut completely. We have exactly what we expect given both the “it’s cut” and “it’s in” conjectures.

      (And, yes, I know that Conlieth Hill said that it was cut: but that could only refer to this season [Five] as the actors are not told what will happen next season [Six]; indeed, as many of the actors have made clear, they are not told what happens in this season for plotlines in which they are not involved: they find out from each other.)

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    39. I’ve not had any internet access for a week so I’m back again with no less than 3 off topic things to say/ask about:

      1. Tormund’s Woman are you lurking? I got cut off before I’d finished telling you about Sansa’s necklace.

      2. Some questions for the sullied about the Faith Militant (FM)

      It said on Thronecast that the two worst crimes as far as the FM are concerned are incest and regicide (king slaying). I assume they have the death penalty, as the rest of Westerosi society does? So if Lancel confesses his part in Robert’s death, what happens to him? Presumably if he does so voluntarily rather than because there’s a risk of being found out that would count in his favour; as would being an active FM member. Also, can they retrospectively try Jaime for the mad king’s death? If yes and Lancel ‘fesses up that means both Cersei and Jaime could be implicated in the two worst crimes there are. In which case, if Jaime makes peace with the locals in Dorne he might ironically be safer there with Myrcella – for the time being at least – than coming back to KL, which could possibly be a contributory factor in him still apparently being there as late as ep 9?

      Now I know why I don’t usually join in with what might happen speculation, there are just too many possibilities for my tiny mind to cope with >.<
      Where I work FM is facilities management, so the Faith Militant would provide you with a religious policing service and organise an engineer if the photocopier breaks down. Perhaps that's why Cersei likes them, they have the keys to the stationary cupboard. Power indeed! ;O)

      3. Public Service Announcement: if you're a fellow UK watcher aged 18 or over and you haven't done so already GO AND VOTE! Yes I know most of them are probably self-serving nitwits who you wouldn't trust to run a bath, never mind a country, but someone has to form a govt. If you think they're all awful, just pick the least worst. As someone who's studied political and social history I can tell you the availability of one person one vote in a non-corrupt, free election is something hard fought for and still denied to huge swathes of the world's population. Rant over, as you were! :O)

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    40. Chad Brick: it is a great move as we get to see Valyria (obviously important to the story) rather than some place that is interesting but of minor note in the books and has never been mentioned at all in the TV series.

      In what way is Valyria be important to the stories? Heck, it is not even important to any of the plots. It’s just narrative background of the sort that books need in the same way that cinema needs props and costumes. (This is a classic book vs. screen difference: books have to have this stuff, cinema has to avoid this stuff.)

      That written, Valyria does offer the chance to be visually interesting – fog is notorious for being cinematically dull – and they’ve definitely hung a stone men gun on the wall that needs to be fired this season.

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    41. Lulu’s Mum: As someone who’s studied political and social history I can tell you the availability of one person one vote in a non-corrupt, free election is something hard fought for and still denied to huge swathes of the world’s population.

      But… but… you are in the U.K. It is well known in the US that that democracy exists only here: you people are still under a dictatorial monarch, right? I’m quite sure that one (white preferably male person), one vote is US only: it’s in my Texan History Book…..

      [/sarcasm]

      Seriously, good luck with the election. And, yes: go out and vote, UKer’s! Your country is still enormously important in the larger world.

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    42. Lulu’s Mum,

      Incidentally, regarding your conjecture: I suspect that if said party does “confess,” then it will be a religious confession, and thus considered to be outside of secular law. That might then lead to that things for which some major (and flabby) guns already have been hung (and sagging) this year…..

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    43. Wimsey:
      Lulu’s Mum,

      Incidentally, regarding your conjecture: I suspect that if said party does “confess,” then it will be a religious confession, and thus considered to be outside of secular law.That might then lead to that things for which some major (and flabby) guns already have been hung (and sagging) this year…..

      Aaah so people can be sneaky and ‘fess up to stuff but not get into trouble for it, even while punishing others for the same kind of thing? Sounds like hedging your bets to me! As for voting, yeah it’s amazing they let women vote, minority ethnic groups, the LGBT community, trade union members, atheists all sorts! We don’t even have to do some kind of backhander deal. Just register and vote – it’s crazyness, we might even end up with a govt who somehow represent all of society, not just a small elite :O)

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    44. Wimsey: In what way is Valyria be important to the stories?Heck, it is not even important to any of the plots.It’s just narrative background of the sort that books need in the same way that cinema needs props and costumes.(This is a classic book vs. screen difference: books have to have this stuff, cinema has to avoid this stuff.)

      That written, Valyria does offer the chance to be visually interesting – fog is notorious for being cinematically dull – and they’ve definitely hung a stone men gun on the wall that needs to be fired this season.

      The Targaryens arose from Valyria, and as the story is about them as much as anyone, I fail to see why their ancient homeland and the chances it will provide to organically give some backstory is not a positive step. They are combining this with the otherwise unimportant Sorrows so they can fire the Stone Men gun, which is obviously being set up as something important. Isn’t combining two things into one a major part of creating an adaptation in the case that the medium is forcing you to make significant cuts? Moving the Stone Men to Valyria does not contradict anything else in the TV-universe, and the route Tyrion and Jorah are taking is sensible, so this seems a perfectly fine and logical change to me.

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    45. “The Dance of Dragons” isn’t a twist on the name of the fifth book, it’s the name of the civil war between Rhaenyra I and Aegon II in 129AC.

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    46. Pearse,

      For the show’s purposes it’s a twist on the name of the 5th book and not the Targaryen civil war. The major scene will likely be

      Daznak’s put

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    47. Simeon,

      Tyrion finding the

      was always a head theory of mine. Glad someone else is thinking along those lines. Would be interesting to see what he does with it if he does in fact find it.

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    48. I added an update to the post– I double-checked with a source to be sure (though I figured that the HBO website coding thing was legit) and the title is definitely “The Dance of Dragons.” Changed the post title to reflect that.

      Pearse,

      To put it delicately, viewers don’t give a hoot about that. I know people who have read the books who wouldn’t remember that. The title that will sound familiar is the oft-mentioned in pop culture now A Dance with Dragons, and I think this is a clear homage to the book title (and whatever is happening in the episode, obviously).

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    49. Pearse:
      “The Dance of Dragons” isn’t a twist on the name of the fifth book, it’s the name of the civil war between Rhaenyra I and Aegon II in 129AC.

      And what an egotistical, bizarre, ridiculous war it was. The Targs couldn’t be saved from themselves. With great power comes great irresponsibility.

      I was expecting the title “A Dance With Dragons” to come at some point, but without Aegon in the picture I thought it would come a bit later, since the words refer to both human and actual dragon “dancing”. Since “The Dance of Dragons” is being used instead of ADwD, I wonder if that great and ridiculous war will be referenced (maybe by Tyrion) in some sort of exposition?

      I honestly would like to know what GRRM thinks of that title, since the use of “with” and “of” mean different things in the lore. A nitpick…yes…but worth mentioning.

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    50. I am already expecting the “Kill the Boy” monologue by Aemon to be one of my favorite moments of the entire series.

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    51. kdenn1020,

      I have nothing but the strongest opposite opinion, I think he’s the worst thing about the show and plays Ramsey like a pantomime baddy “HE’s BEHIND YOU!!!”

      Me and my friends all call the show version ‘Hamsey Snow’, it’s just too cartoonish I can’t stand it. Nothing like the book, which is fine, but come on man, this? We have to watch this?

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    52. mau,

      Yes, unlike some other people who claim to have spoilers but never back it up or always leave it vague, I can actually verify that Bogden is the real deal and trustworthy.

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    53. Wimsey,

      Let’s not be so literal. It is just a way of identifying the young woman sitting next to Sansa at the great WF banquet. Yes, she was never called as “Jeyne” but it is how many reference her. Sorry if it confused you.

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    54. I went to Linda’s twitter to see if she’s whining about Valyria. And indeed, she says it’s the most ridiculous choice D&D ever made.

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    55. Do you think Sansa will throw Walda a baby shower? 🙁

      I don’t mind having seen this release, it is a great teaser for Sunday. Makes me more excited if that is possible. The dragon looks very cool to me and also FINALLY the poster shot becomes realized.

      Stone man? 😮

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    56. Bogden:
      Without giving anything away, the title does indeed have a double meaning in the episode…

      You tease!!! Dare I hope that more than one dragon will be actively “dancing”? 🙂 Be still my beating heart!

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    57. They will maybe confirm R+L=J?

      Or Tyrion will ride a dragon?

      Or Varys will reveal that he is Targaryen (Blackfire)?

      Or fAegon?

      Is there any other possibility?

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    58. I think episode 9 will be one of the best. Daznaks Pit. Arya is alsmot guaranteed to be in it. Walk of Shame possibly and Dorne is kind of confirmed as well

      Don’t think Winterfell will be in episode 9 but not sure about Jon

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    59. Eleanor:
      Lulu’s Mum,

      My entire Facebook feed is “Yes Equality” profile pics, so for a moment I thought “Why are the Brits voting in our gay marriage referendum?”

      We’re sneaky like that, nip in when least expected. It’s how we got such a large empire – did the 18/19th century equivalent of “look over there it’s Elvis!” and took over when no-one was paying attention! ;O)

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    60. With Ep 9 likely being “The Dance of Dragons”, I wonder if Ep 10 is going to be “A Feast For Crows”, or some variation of that. Could make sense, esp considering how most people expect the episode to end.

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    61. Joe:
      With Ep 9 likely being “The Dance of Dragons”, I wonder if Ep 10 is going to be “A Feast For Crows”, or some variation of that. Could make sense, esp considering how most people expect the episode to end.

      A great idea!

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    62. Annie Wilkes,

      In ADWD, shortly after (or maybe before, but it was definitely on his mind) the “Kill The Boy” monologue, Jon sends Sam, Gilly and Aemon to Oldtown. Maybe Sam is upset because Jon is dispatching them (minus Aemon, who won’t be fit to travel) to Oldtown / wherever he sends them on the show.

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    63. Joe:
      With Ep 9 likely being “The Dance of Dragons”, I wonder if Ep 10 is going to be “A Feast For Crows”, or some variation of that. Could make sense, esp considering how most people expect the episode to end.

      Or “The Winds of Winter” 😀

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    64. Joe:
      With Ep 9 likely being “The Dance of Dragons”, I wonder if Ep 10 is going to be “A Feast For Crows”, or some variation of that. Could make sense, esp considering how most people expect the episode to end.

      There have been some cheeky references to the title of AFFC already. There’s the shot of the crow landing on the flayed corpse at Winterfell, as well as Bronn protesting “The birds need to eat!” when Jaime orders him to bury the bodies.

      If 5×10 is a bloodbath, with

      Jon “dying,” Kevan dying, Pycelle dying, Tommen dying if Patchface had the right of it, and maybe someone big in the Winterfell storyline dying

      , “A Feast For Crows” might be an appropriate episode title for 5×10,

      with added meaning to the “crow”=NW meaning

      .

      As for the Walda clip…

      there was something Alfie Allen said about there being a messed-up midseason scene where Theon has to bear witness to something crazy. Also, Iwan Rheon had a scene this year that was so awful he didn’t want to go through with it. I was assuming Sansa would be on the receiving end of the awfulness, but with the news that Walda is pregnant, I’m guessing Ramsay does something horrible to Walda. Killing a sweet-natured, pregnant woman in gruesome fashion would vault Ramsay to the top of the evil list for sure.

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    65. FieryHeart,

      I would recommend finding out more about Ramsey. The show appears to have skipped over where he had a previous wife. I can now see the scenario played out in that tale, with wife changing to father’s wife. (There’s a way Westerosi to say mother-in-law that escapes me for now.) Roose would need to leave Winterfell (for some reason), leaving Walder in Ramsey’s safe-keeping.
      If you think Ramsey’s gone to town on Theon……

      Yeah. I can see this as contender for the apparent super-traumatic scene that’s been teased by Sophie & Alfie. It’d be right up Myranda’s street to get involved, like she did setting up Theon/Reek right before Ramsey changed his anatomy.

      There’s a reason I’m going to use spoilers now. BEWARE!!

      Instead of feeding Fat Walder her toes, what if Myranda (perhaps with her friends) cause FW to have a miscarriage? This is the gross part! What if Ramsey makes FW eat the fetus? — Won’t that be super-traumatic?

      BTW – Currently playing ‘Am I Evil?’ (Diamond Head) – What’s next? ‘Angel Of Death’ (Slayer) – After that? Marvin Gaye ‘Let’s Get It On’. You know how romantic Ramsey gets with Myranda.

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    66. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      I can imagine it (I like to keep an open mind about any possibilities, including Aegon, Euron or even LS being worked into the story somehow, though LS is like 1 in a 1000 at this point). It would be an epic, heart-breaking betrayal, but I can’t currently see it happening because I can’t figure out Sam’s motivation in that scenario.

      If anyone in the NW knows the dangers posed by the White Walkers, it’s Sam. I’ve never gotten the impression that he hates the wildlings, so an alliance with them and a rescue mission for them wouldn’t motivate him the same way that it would motivate Olly or Alliser. Sam’s constantly looking for loopholes in his vows (wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more), so I can’t see him killing Jon for oath-breaking.

      A lot has got to change between then and now to convince me that it makes sense for Sam to be one of the FTW betrayers. My current opinion is that it will be Olly and NW “extras” or Olly alone. Of course, that could change on a dime, depending on what happens in future episodes.

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    67. Bogden: Without giving anything away, the title does indeed have a double meaning in the episode…

      I’m definitely sticking with my prediction for this episode now.

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    68. Bogden,

      People are guessing this means a Trystane = ‘Aegon’ or R+L=J reveal. I am thinking it means Doran will give his ‘Vengeance,Justice…Fire and Blood’ speech in this episode.

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    69. The dance of dragons .. I like it .. I don’t know why but the first time I read the title .. a scene came up in my mind .. imagine drogon twerking in the the middle of daznak’s pit .. while the other two dancing salsa .. wouldn’t that be a sight to behold ? .. anyway next episode is going to be awesome ..

      kill the boy speech, Jon’s decision to ally with the wildling which sets the foundation for that dreadful scene probably at the end of this season, tyrion and jorah facing the stone men (last second of that inside the episode scared the shite out of me) and lastly sansa and the boltons

      can’t bloody wait .. so far this season is shaping up to be the best yet ..

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    70. The Trystane theory is looking likelier and likelier. I’m now remembering the shot in one of the trailers where Ellaria is kneeling before Doran, possibly in forgiveness, and that could very well be the Arianne-esque moment of reconciliation after he reveals his ulterior motives.

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    71. I wonder if Tyrion and Jorah are going to see the monkeys that Vic sees on the way to Meereen. If so, I can see it happening in episode 6 before they run into slavers. It could be hilarious.

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    72. mariamb: Yes, she was never called as “Jeyne” but it is how many reference her. Sorry if it confused you.

      It didn’t confuse me: I have absolutely no memory of the person. I don’t doubt that she existed – the set was full of extras – but never had heard anyone reference her as Jeyne Poole. (Of course, I completely forgot that Jeyne Poole existed until Dragons: she is highly forgettable!)

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    73. Chad Brick: The Targaryens arose from Valyria, and as the story is about them as much as anyone

      Only one of the primary protagonists is a Targaryen (well, that we know for certain). Moreover, her family before her father is almost entirely irrelevant to the story: it has no bearing on how Daeny wades between Tough Choice A and Touch Choice B, which in turn is what creates the story. It also has no bearing on how Jon, Tyrion, etc., sort through their inner conflicts. The Targaryens could come from Mars or could always have been in Westeros for all that it matters to the story: and, really, even to the basic plots.

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    74. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Bogden,

      I agree. Episode 9 would be a great place for

      Doran’s Fire and Blood speech, presumably revealing that Trystane has been promised to Dany (I think Doran will allow Jaime to take Myrcella back to KL, after which Arianne/Sand Snakes/Trystane will be fuming, until Doran reveals his plans. I also think that the Dornish are the mysterious “group” that Varys alluded to in 5×01, and that Varys will kill Pycelle/Kevan in ep10 and reveal that he is backing Dany/Trystane for the throne.

      Sounds awesome to me, and yet another genius streamlining of the gargantuan Feast/Dance plot.

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    75. Wimsey,

      As I said, it is just a reference that some use for her. Let’s call her “the young woman sitting next to Sansa.” And, for me, Jeyne Poole is memorable because her story is horrific. She may not be “important” but her story is memorable for its sadness and cruelty.

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    76. mariamb,

      I think there is somewhere (maybe DVD commentary?) where D&D say, “look, there’s Jayne Poole” — but it seems sort of in jest, like they were showing complainers that she had actually been included in the show. Been a while since I’ve seen that, so I’m not sure exactly where it’s from.

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    77. Darren,

      Im not saying that the pact with the wildlings will push Sam on that path rather Jons desicion to march against the Boltons while serving as LC of NW.

      Look at it from Tarlys point of view:
      – Jon could have accepted Stanniss offer and become a “true” Stark
      – But instead he became LC of NW by Sams nomination

      Now while holding the title of LC of NW he decides to go against the Boltons and by doing so he endangers the whole NW order and 8000 year old code that has never been broken.

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    78. Simeon,
      Rygritte,

      I don’t want to hijack this thread into a discussion on JP but thanks for the information on how the show referenced that young woman. In my mind, she was always JP, regardless of whether or not she made an later appearance in the show and fulfilled the book character’s story line.

      It was hard to read about Jeyne, Pia and Kyra in the books

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    79. Andrew,

      Im sorry but that “theory” has absolutely NO ground to stand on except to shoehorn that faegon-plot into the show. There are only two seasons left and the show should concentrate on bringing the already existing storylines to a satisfying end instead of complicating it even more.

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    80. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      If Sam is still at the Wall and the Pink Letter aspect of Jon’s storyline causes FTW, then there’s a chance Sam will be one of the betrayers (and I tried to reference to that or the show’s intepretation with the reference to oathbreaking), but I don’t know if they’re heading in that exact direction with the Boltons on the show.

      Since Mance is dead (imo) and Melisandre isn’t sending him on a mission to rescue Jon’s sister with Jon’s approval, there isn’t currently a reason why the Boltons would threaten the NW in general and Jon in particular (assuming Ramsey wrote the PL under true or false information).

      With six episodes remaining and E5 seemingly focused on making a truce with the wildlings and probably multiple episodes spent dealing with Hardhome, I don’t know if the show is going to have time for Jon to agitate the Boltons enough for them to declare war. I think that they might simplify the storyline by making his downfall a response to his policies regarding the wildlings.

      Of course, one scene could change my mind completely and make me think that the story is heading in the PL direction.

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    81. Simeon:
      mariamb,

      I think there is somewhere (maybe DVD commentary?) where D&D say, “look, there’s Jayne Poole” — but it seems sort of in jest, like they were showing complainers that she had actually been included in the show.Been a while since I’ve seen that, so I’m not sure exactly where it’s from.

      D&D said that on the commentary track for the pilot episode. Something like “there’s our Jeyne Poole!”

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    82. Love the clip. At first I thought Ramsay would be fucking pissed, but now that he is legitimized it doesn’t matter if Walda has a baby or not does it? He is still first in line right?

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    83. One of Roose Bolton’s leeches:
      Love the clip. At first I thought Ramsay would be fucking pissed, but now that he is legitimized it doesn’t matter if Walda has a baby or not does it? He is still first in line right?

      Technically yes, but you know how the saying goes: once a psycho, always a psycho.

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    84. Hodor’s Bastard: Or they could totally screw with us and call it “A Time for Wolves.”

      Heh, that didn’t come up a few months ago when we saw GRRM’s “please consider my book for publication” letter. If I recall, he explicitly mentions the titles Winter and Dragons: but nothing about “A Time for Wolves.”

      mariamb,

      It was after Dragons: but before then, she was easy to forget. (Or hard to remember: I guess that it depends on your point of view!) Moreover, it’s not like her story is any sadder than that of hosts of other unnamed people: innocents, war, suffer, etc.

      Mr Fixit: D&D said that on the commentary track for the pilot episode. Something like “there’s our Jeyne Poole!”

      It’s actually not uncommon to do that when adapting books: they’ll just label some stand-in as a book character that did not merit inclusion. I seem to recall Harry Potter fans being upset when original “actors” for so-labelled bit parts were recast with real actors once the character became prominent.

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    85. Tyrion Pimpslap:
      Bogden,

      But doesn’t Doran have to actually DO something to make that speech worthwhile? In the book, he is the weak-appearing dude that actually had the Master Plan the whole time. Given all the changes, it is hard to figure out what this dynamic could be in the show other than Trystane = Aegon. This idea does have some potential plot holes, but that certainly hasn’t stopped them with other off-book plots this season.

      Dorne is pretty much a black box this season. Clearly Jaime gets caught, as per the trailer, and I feel that his character arc demands he gets out again. Other than that, it is hard to see where D&D are trying to go.

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    86. Darren,

      Do not put too much emphasis on the Coral Correspondence as the cause for FTW. Sure, that might have been the straw that broke the mammoth’s back: but FTW almost certainly had been a long-time coming. After all, at one point

      Bowen Marsh flat out tells Jon that he is committing treason by letting the Wildlings through: and Marsh simply cannot comprehend that the Wildlings are a trivial issue next to the White Walkers.

      Given that the primary reason for it almost certainly already has gotten some emphasis on the show (it’s very much a gun hung on the wall already this year), and we saw stuff in the trailers that suggest that the gun is going to get dusted and remounted at least a couple of more times.

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    87. At this point, I feel pretty good predicting that other than Tyrion/Jorah, the Cogman-penned episodes will have no overlapping storylines.

      Episode 5: Wall/Winterfell/Brienne/Meereen
      Episode 6: King’s Landing/Dorne/Braavos

      Not sure if Bryan was intentionally going for Feast/Dance splitting with his two episodes, but I like it if it gives all the storylines room to breathe 🙂

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    88. Chad Brick: Given all the changes, it is hard to figure out what this dynamic could be in the show other than Trystane = Aegon.

      Actually, I should think that the dynamic is very different: it’s all about revenge. Moreover, I do not think that the audience will have any problem understanding that. So, the speech can make perfect sense without the Trystaegon conjecture. (Again, the earliest we ever were

      going to see Aegon in next year; B&W never have brought in major supporting characters before they were became important foils for the lead characters, and Aegon won’t start doing that until Winter.

      Irrespective of that (and in the book, it is irrespective of that!), there are innumerable ways in which Doran can use these circumstances to make the audience understand that he’s

      Team Dragon.

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    89. Greenjones,

      Ah, fair enough. That CV is the first indication any of the Northern storylines are in 6.
      And if Webster is only those 3 episodes, Ramsay won’t be wasting any time eliminating the competition.

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    90. Wimsey,

      I’m not comparing her to “hosts of other unnamed people: innocents, war, suffer, etc.” I’m stating how I reacted to her story. It was sad in ADWD and before…when her father was killed, and when she was taken away from Sansa and thrown into LF’s brothels to be “trained.” Please don’t attempt to trivialize my opinion because it isn’t the same as yours. Readers/viewers respond differently to various characters (major and minor). We don’t need to have the same reactions to enjoy this tale.

      Bogden,

      Thanks for this little bit of information. I love the speculation that it has created.

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    91. Wimsey,

      I think you misunderstood the point that I was trying to make. I don’t currently think that the Pink Letter will be included in this season and that FTW will take place as a reaction to his policies regarding the wildlings. Since I think that’s the case, I find it unlikely that Sam will be one of the FTW betrayers because he’s more sympathetic / less antagonistic towards the wildlings and has a greater understanding of the threat of the White Walkers than other members of the NW.

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    92. Andrew,

      I really don’t think she’ll die. Roose wouldn’t let Ramsay get away with that for a second. I think 506 is

      the wedding and after that, with things in WF being more focused on the coming battle against Stannis, she just won’t feature in any more scenes in the season. But it makes sense that she would be at the wedding.

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    93. Hodor’s Bastard,

      It’s my #1 in the whole series, bar none. Go Aemon Go!

      I’m also really looking forward to more Tormund time. Once Jon takes Aemon’s advice he can learn to be manly, burly, and tough with Tormund, right?

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    94. You. You people. With your predictions and your theories and your speculating.

      I – I was going to try to ignore these posts. “I” was going to watch this season without any preconceived notions (disclosure – I have read the books) and not read any of these kinds of thoughts.

      But Noooooooo!

      I saw the headline and I just couldn’t……..

      I JUST COULDNT STAY AWAY.
      Damn you all to the Seven Hells!

      “Just when I thought I was out… they pull me back in.”

      Actually – I was missing you. Each and every one of you. And now that I’ve had a long bath while eating chocolate and drinking wine and reading all of your tongue’s utterances, I am truly satiated and happy.

      Carry on! I will deprive myself no more!

      (Mayhaps a bit too much wine)
      (NEVER!)

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    95. Welcome back!

      Jillybean:
      You. You people. With your predictions and your theories and your speculating.

      I – I was going to try to ignore these posts. “I” was going to watch this season without any preconceived notions (disclosure – I have read the books) and not read any of these kinds of thoughts.

      But Noooooooo!

      I saw the headline and I just couldn’t……..

      I JUST COULDNT STAY AWAY.
      Damn you all to the Seven Hells!

      “Just when I thought I was out… they pull me back in.”

      Actually – I was missing you. Each and every one of you. And now that I’ve had a long bath while eating chocolate and drinking wine and reading all of your tongue’s utterances, I am truly satiated and happy.

      Carry on! I will deprive myself no more!

      (Mayhaps a bit too much wine)
      (NEVER!)

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    96. With the hints on ep 9’s title I’m guessing…

      One of the dual meanings will be a literal fight between the dragons. We know Hizdarh backstabs Danny, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him loosing angry caged up dragons on her (and burnt in the process?). Ready for Drogon to appear, save the day & fly off with Danny. And the other dragons are conveniently(?) free to run amuk for next season.

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    97. Paul,

      I didn’t think that’ll happen this season with the Hardhome stuff, but it’s looking more likely with every episode.

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    98. HelloThere:
      TFT,

      *face palm*

      why… literally why?
      Seeing Valyria is one of the most exciting prospects ever

      I’ve watched the end of this clip a dozen times. It’s a brilliant choice to travel through the ruins. The perfect location for the poster to be realized, and for the SM to reside. Should be another outstanding episode in a season that may end up being my favorite.

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