Mark Gatiss confirms where we won’t be seeing Tycho Nestoris in season 5

Tycho Nestoris

Actor Mark Gatiss appeared this week at the Mumbai Film and Comic Con, featuring in a fan Q&A, and fielding questions from the audience. While the bulk of the hour-long session was dedicated to talk of his work on Sherlock and Doctor Who, Gatiss also touched upon his time on Game of Thrones as the Iron Bank representative, Tycho Nestoris.

SPOILERS below the cut!

Gatiss was unable to say much about the upcoming season, but did mention a few things of interest.

“I’ve just filmed another episode in Croatia. But obviously I can’t tell you anything because they would have me killed. That’s how it works,” the actor told the con-goers.

“I think Tycho Nestoris is from later in the books and they’ve brought him forward a bit. I think I go to the- do I go to the Wall?” The audience confirmed for him that Nestoris does go to the Wall eventually.

“Does that mean I go to Iceland? Very exciting! I don’t really know what’s planned. But I had dinner with Dan and David, the showrunners, and I pitched the idea that I should be the last character surviving in the whole series. Only because the bankers survive everything.”

Gatiss referred to a single episode in his remarks, and confirmed that Nestoris is not yet headed for the Wall. Fans had been speculating that the Wall storyline might be further along at the end of season 5, with Jon Snow reaching the end of his A Dance with Dragons chapters.

With Nestoris still in Braavos, will Jon’s season 5 arc finish earlier than estimated by many fans, leaving some ADWD material saved for season 6? Or will the banker’s trip to Westeros be cancelled altogether? It seems pointless to introduce Nestoris at all if he won’t be journeying to the Wall eventually, after we saw Stannis receive a loan from the Iron Bank.

The Game of Thrones discussion begins at 21:15 into the complete Q&A panel:

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    1. Doesn’t really make much sense… they can’t really delay Jon’s story because then the White Walkers would have literally done nothing for three seasons…… but I don’t see why they would introduce the Bank of Braavos and not have them strike a deal with the Lord Commander

      I can only guess that the Iron Bank this year is more focussed on King’s Landing personnel and maybe just sends letters to Stannis

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    2. Of course it’s not like Jon needs to leave the Wall in debt for the NW to have a valid reason to assassinate him… and any effects the extra resources have could just be attributed to Stannis or plain written around to make sense… but still idk why you’d pass up on a chance to connect disparate storylines

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    3. Why wouldn’t a certain brother of the Night’s Watch just stop in at the bank when he is in the area, it would give him something to do other than look for fire wood.

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    4. It could simply be that they are postponing when Nestoris re-enters the plot. After all, they really cannot do some of this stuff until

      after Cersei decides that the Iron Bank can wait.

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    5. MyDogsNameIsDaemon,

      We didn’t have one sighting of Sam when they filmed the Braavos scenes in Croatia and we usually have a very good idea what’s going on in Croatia. Additionally Gattis said he only filmed one episode for season 5 and we know that’s a David Nutter episode (ep 9 or 10) and that would be a little late.

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    6. I am definitely of the opinion that Jon ends this season behind the books, just because he’s the furthest behind of everyone already, and probably has the most setup required to make his plot work. Also, there’s a logistical concern with MAJOR SPOILER

      having him “die” in a season finale, since there’s no way they’d be able to prevent it from leaking that he was back to film several episodes for season 6.

      I think he won’t catch up to the books until the first two or three episodes of season 6.

      That said, I think Tycho’s trip to the Wall could be cancelled, if it never fit with the pacing of everything else. I don’t think there’s anything there they couldn’t do with Stannis just getting a raven saying “We’re pleased to inform you that we have a boatload of money for you in Braavos. Please send someone to pick it up at your earliest convenience.” Unless the loan to the Watch is very important later.

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    7. I hope this means they may not be getting through all of Jon’s ADWD arc this season – there’s a lot of ground to cover with the remaining material from ASOS as well, there’s no need to rush it.

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    8. Dragonslayer,

      While we saw a lot of what went on in Croatia via set pics and the like, we definitely didn’t see all of it. On the Braavos front alone we saw no set pictures of the two Street Toughs/bravos filming nor any of the Ship Insurance man, though we know they will be in s5. It’s also possible that there’s some sort of canal set in NI.

      Maybe Sam won’t stop in Braavos in the show but I don’t think a lack of set pics or info is real evidence of that.

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    9. Didn’t Davos and Stannis already convince the Bank to fund Stannis’ cause last season? If so, then

      that obviates the need to have any of the Bank board go north, anyway.

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    10. Forgot our other earlier piece of evidence that Jon isn’t fully catching up with the books this season: when the actor who’s playing Bowen Marsh listed episode 6 as his latest appearance in his CV.

      Also, in one of James Hibberd’s articles at EW he referred to season 5 as covering most but not all of Feast/Dance, and he’s generally pretty correct on these things. And given what we know about what scenes everyone else is filming, Jon seems like one of the few characters who really has the potential to have much book plot still left at the end of the season.

      Also, there’s been a lot of evidence that Hardhome is being blown up into a larger plot this season, which could further serve to slow Jon down.

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    11. Afeastfordances,

      Going off the CV listing of directors isn’t the most reliable thing though. We’ve been burned on that before, probably in part because scenes get shifted around to different episodes after filming. It’s good to have extra confirmation.

      I’m very interested to see what they’re doing with Hardhome, since there were very few leaks on the filming. Casting of actors doesn’t really tell us anything about the size of the scene- it could be all talk and little show, rather like the Fist of the First Men.

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    12. Afeastfordances,
      Sue the Fury,

      ShowHardhome will be in ep. 508, so it’s still perfectly plausible that they end Jon’s ADWD material. There’s also a Baratheon general appearing in a David Nutter episode which COULD signify some sortof Battle of Ice scenario being in late s5. This and Hardhome could set up “For the Watch” for the end of 510.

      Anyhow, I think Aliser will do the stabbing-whilst-crying bit and that show Bowen will be a very small part.

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    13. Greenjones,
      The other thing to keep in mind is that a “Greek chorus” will work more effectively on TV than what the book does. The “opposition” needs a spokesperson, but just visual continuity on the same sets of faces is the rest of what is needed.

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    14. could this be why sam goes to bravos? to meet with the bank? or it might just be a side task that he has to do while he’s there.

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    15. I’m really not surprised by this.
      We know that

      Mace Tyrell shows up in Braavos late in the season with an envoy to discuss the crown’s debt to the bank

      , so having Tycho go to the wall this season wouldn’t make much sense. I believe that the Iron Bank will require an assassin early on in WoW, especially after the speculation in the world book that the bank is associated with the FM, so Arya might have a mission from the bank by the end of the season. Maybe to off Tommen?

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    16. Dragonslayer: We didn’t have one sighting of Sam when they filmed the Braavos scenes in Croatia and we usually have a very good idea what’s going on in Croatia. Additionally Gattis said he only filmed one episode for season 5 and we know that’s a David Nutter episode (ep 9 or 10) and that would be a little late.

      That’s true John Bradley was not spotted in Croatia , tho Natalie Dormer and Diana Rigg were reported spotted but no pics of them. Then there is still a big mystery about Ian Gelder -Kevan Lannister was not seen either, a kind of forgotten character.

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    17. MyDogsNameIsDaemon,

      Because several actors have been cast as wights and wildlings for ep. 508. Also there was a credible source on reddit (who last year gave a very accurate about the Craster’s Keep storyline) who talked about a scene with WWs by the water.

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    18. Jr: I believe that the Iron Bank will require an assassin early on in WoW, especially after the speculation in the world book that the bank is associated with the FM, so Arya might have a mission from the bank by the end of the season. Maybe to off Tommen?

      Arya is a primary protagonist: her choices/actions/etc. are a big part of what creates the story. Reducing her to a pawn of a general group when she is supposed to be

      putting aside Arya and becoming a Faceless Person

      would prevent her from contributing to the story. This also would be a very arbitrary deviation from the plot in the books. If anything like this happens, then it will be part of Cersei’s storyline (as

      she is the one who reneges on the debt to the Iron Bank

      ): she is the relevant protagonist here. The assassin need not be anybody with a name: he/she just has to be

      a consequence of Cersei’s actions

      .

      That written, it is possible that we will get the Mercy chapter by the end of this season: but the key there is that it’s Mercy, not the Iron Bank, driving the action.

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    19. Well, some actual news finally!

      I second those who say this further suggests that we won’t be seeing the whole Jon ADWD storyline this season. The whole Tycho-doing-Westeros could be cancelled, but most probably it is delayed, and not necessarily appearing at the same point in regard to the other events at the Wall and the North.

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    20. I think it would be brilliant if they actually had Jon’s stabbing in the premiere of season 6. Nobody would expect something that big to happen in episode 1 and it would give GRRM a whole year to release TWOW and let sullieds find out what’s happening with him in the books.

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    21. I think they will do jon’s stabbing in season 6 yes. But I think they will change a lot of it aswell, in an ideal situation Jon will be stabbed ep 2 or 3 and only be revealed to be alive in episode 9 with no more jon in between. That would give them one episode to set up his endgame and use the rest of the time to focus on other characters.

      Speaking of this, I just came to the following conclusion : Omg it’s almost season 6 meaning we’re getting to the end :O

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    22. Wimsey: Arya is a primary protagonist: her choices/actions/etc. are a big part of what creates the story. Reducing her to a pawn of a general group when she is supposed to be

      Have always thought that she would not be a special assassin . Things about her relationship with the FM is odd. She has now done with the WoW excerpt four things that disqualified her as a FM… but some higher power wants her to do something special.

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    23. Will be disappointed if we don’t get daggers in the dark in the finale this season but I’ll be ok if they decide to move it to season 6. Just hope the other season 5 climaxes will deliver (Dany’s pit scene and Cersei’s walk)

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    24. Maginor:
      Wimsey,

      Well, I suppose that is possible: until we read Winds, we won’t know! However,

      the Mercy chapter suggests that this sort of thing is not happening, at least not yet.

      davy,
      I really doubt that they would leave one of the three “A” protagonists out of the narrative for that long! If FtW is put in Season 6, then the resolution will be like Bran’s fall: the fallen will be back within a couple of episodes, tops. (I suspect that said character will be up and back in action fairly early in Winter, after all: although the situation might be a bit chaotic!)

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    25. Glad they are keeping him in Braavos.

      It will be more interesting having Arya (and us the viewer) realize the relationship between HoB&W and the IBoB. Stannis already has his money and sold his soul to the money devil so we don’t need more of that yet. Can’t wait to see how Tycho, Mace, Trant and possibly facelessfolk interact in Braavos! May they have Mercy on us all!

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    26. Boojam,

      Actually, it is believed Ian Gelder, or rather someone that looked like Ian Gelder, was spotted alongside Anton Lesser (Qyburn) and Hafthór Júlíus Björnsson (The Mountain) during the filming of a particular scene outside of the Sept of Baelor. The person reporting this could not confirm that it was Gelder but they stated the person resembled him. If correct, it was either Gelder, or a stand-in for Gelder.

      Click here for the exact wording.

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    27. Mine is the Furry:
      Burp

      Although you’re an imposter, I like your style.

      Burp is exactly what I think about this underwhelming character so far in the show. People seemed to love this guy, however I felt he was outclassed by Cunningham and Dillane and made zero impact on me other than the fact that I was annoyed at Nina for casting a stetotypical looking banker.

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    28. Greenjones:
      Afeastfordances,
      Sue the Fury,

      I don’t buy it. Why introduce Bowen if not for the ides?

      I don’t think we’re going to see the stabbing this season. I thing a good ending for the NW will be Jon + wildlings from Hardhome coming in through the wall.

      That leaves an inconclusive Ice battle to lead into the ides in early season 6, Tycho to turn up and Sam get sent off towards the end of season 5.

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    29. Rygar,

      Sorry, that was the same old troll swiping your new name. Mr. Haterofbookpurists is apparently just a hater in general. Impersonation of other people isn’t allowed here.

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    30. He’ll probably have scenes only in Braavos with Mace and Cia. And Jon can send Sam there to strike a deal with the bank, I mean if Sam leaves the Wall this season.

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    31. ctid: I don’t buy it. Why introduce Bowen if not for the ides?

      I don’t think we’re going to see the stabbing this season. I thing a good ending for the NW will be Jon + wildlings from Hardhome coming in through the wall.

      That leaves an inconclusive Ice battle to lead into the ides in early season 6, Tycho to turn up and Sam get sent off towards the end of season 5.

      Yes, this is definitely more likely.

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    32. ctid: I don’t buy it. Why introduce Bowen if not for the ides?

      Bowen serves more purpose than that. The story this year is very political, and the several of the protagonists have to deal with different factions that oppose each other as well as the protagonist. On TV, they obviously will use a “chorus” approach rather than a bunch of particular names: but that is because faces on TV are equivalent to names in a book. Still, some will have names and even if (say) Ser Alistair is the “face” of this faction, there still need to be some “backup singers” to emphasize that it’s not just one man.

      As for Jon’s plot line, people should keep in mind the parallels it has with (particularly) Daeny’s and (more abstractly) Tyrion’s. Those are the three big guns, and it might be nice to do the parallels in parallel. (Of course, that might also be overkill!)

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    33. I like seeing the Iron Bank involved, and I don’t mind if they cut out some of Tycho’s other trips. I’m more wary of what this would mean for other storylines but I’m not convinced we can say much, since I’m sure they can work those plots around him.
      Nice to hear from Mark Gatiss and have some news about S5!

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    34. Wimsey: Bowen serves more purpose than that.The story this year is very political, and the several of the protagonists have to deal with different factions that oppose each other as well as the protagonist.On TV, they obviously will use a “chorus” approach rather than a bunch of particular names: but that is because faces on TV are equivalent to names in a book.Still, some will have names and even if (say) Ser Alistair is the “face” of this faction, there still need to be some “backup singers” to emphasize that it’s not just one man.

      Maybe you’re right, but assuming Marsh isn’t in after episode 6 as it suggests he isn’t, surely even a “backing singer” needs to be there for the main event, my guess is that’s reserved for season 6 and I’m not sold on Ser Alisser being a replacement Brutus either.

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    35. I was hoping Tycho was going to take on Noho Dimittis’ role in the show, so we had an episode early in the season where

      Tycho arrived at King’s Landing to go head to head with Cersei over the crown’s debt. I’m not surprised they’re not having Tycho at the Wall, because that’s largely unnecessary, but we’ve already established him in Braavos, so let’s have him somewhere else rather than isolating him from other characters. Sure having him meet with Mace later in Braavos is fine, in lieu of Harys Swift, but given this season is about Cersei making a series of bad decisions in the running of King’s Landing leading to her downfall, a face-to-face encounter where see spurns the Iron Bank seems very appropriate. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

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    36. Greenjones,

      Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if they shifted from Bowen Marcht o Ser Alliser Thorne, makes more sense TV wise as a rivalry is more fully etched in TV viewers minds

      Wouldn’t be surprised also if Hardhome does indeed feature quite strongly, firstly for a big battle but to put the WW’s back in people’s minds in a big way since the end of a Eason 2 with the fist of first men

      I had been thinking that Jon Snows stabbing accompanied by the ear splitting screeches of millions female fans lol would be the e9 moment (reckon that’ll be Daznaks Pit) but it does make sense to push it back to s6 to firstly give GRRM time to flesh out Winds Chapters but also as someone rightly pointed out above to prevent spoiler leaks about his presence on set, just have to look at how people are monitoring Michelle Fairley movements to get a sense of whether LS will make an appearance. Whether s5 or s6 the reaction compilation should be right up there with the red wedding, would make sense to have e2 or 3 of season 6, have people think he’s dead for about 5 episodes (over a month) and then resurrect him or whatever is going to happen in episode 7 or something

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    37. Al Swearengen,

      Gattis has a very full schedule, and that’s the most they could get from him. Last year in particular, he was heavily involved with Sherlock and Doctor Who’s 50th anniversary madness. So, they could get him for a small role or nothing at all.

      Ghost’s Lunch: just have to look at how people are monitoring Michelle Fairley movements to get a sense of whether LS will make an appearance.

      heh, that is not close to what it would be for Harrington. Only hardcore fans are were worrying about whether Fairley might be returning. The general audience and the general entertainment media are not worried about it as they have no reason to think that she should be doing so.

      Because Harrington is slowly becoming a star in his own right, and because this would be a cliffhanger rather than a done-deal, this would get the attention of the general entertainment media and much speculation from the general viewers.

      The more we discuss this, the more I realize that this actually needs to be done early in a season in order to give the audience a couple of weeks of being unsure about the resolution. (I.e., climax of first episode, absent from 2nd episode, recovery in next one.) It cannot be much more than that: the character is too important to the story, and although we haven’t read WoW yet, I really doubt that he’ll be anything other than one of the three lead protagonists yet again. (Chances are very good that

      Melisandre will heal him almost immediately, and that Jon won’t be incapacitated for all that long in the books; of course, things will be very interesting over even that short period of time as the many members of the Watch loyal to Jon and those loyal to Marsh etc. will basically be at civil war: as the “Marshians” will also be going up against the Wildlings and Stannis’ men, they probably will be eliminated in short order; however, things will be very different after that!

      ). If the character is gone for more than a week, then they will have to get through 2 seasons of story lines in 1.5 seasons: and that would not flow well.

      That’s too bad because it loses the Daeny parallel: but the alternative is to also include the resolution this year because a lot more than just hardcore book readers will be paying attention to what the actor is doing because of this. (It won’t quite be “Will JR live?” in magnitude, but it will be the same general effect.)

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    38. Ghost’s Lunch:

      Wouldn’t be surprised also if Hardhome does indeed feature quite strongly, firstly for a big battle but to put the WW’s back in people’s minds in a big way since the end of a Eason 2 with the fist of first men

      Interesting WW progression from S1 – S4

      S1 – opening sequence, WWs/wights introduce us to their ominous ways
      S2 – WWs in the adoption business; In ep10, 3 horn blasts, hint of an attack at the FotFM while Sam shits himself; he watches the WWs/wights pass him in slow motion
      S3 – Devastation aftermath seen at the FotFM; Sam proves a WW can be killed (shattered) w/obsidian
      S4 – Another baby adoption; WWs running a nursery up north
      S5 – ?

      Yeah, as shown in GoT (and in the books) the WWs are capable of disturbing stuff but it has been a slow rollout, focusing more on the sacrifice/adoption stuff as of late. S5 (via Hardhome) should be an opportunity to further their violent ambitions (which have been rather passive as of late).

      Ongoing fan question: Where did the substantial, slow-moving WW/wight army go after the FotFM battle?

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    39. Ironborn,

      I, for one, will be disappointed if “Ftw” is not the season-ender for the wall stuff. In fact, all threads should be quite exhilarating, but this one will rally the fandom. [And it is a mighty sword for D&D to wield in front of GRRM to encourage him to get TWoW done ahead of S6]
      #StillHaveFaith

      [although, admittedly, a draft of TWoW would need to be in D&D’s hands by Feb-April 2015 in order to script the details, finalize locations, start designing/building sets, etc….so screw it, they’re going to wing-it for S6] 🙁
      #LosingFaith

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    40. Wimsey:
      Al Swearengen,

      Gattis has a very full schedule, and that’s the most they could get from him.Last year in particular, he was heavily involved with Sherlock and Doctor Who’s 50th anniversary madness.So, they could get him for a small role or nothing at all.

      heh, that is not close to what it would be for Harrington.Only hardcore fans are were worrying about whether Fairley might be returning.The general audience and the general entertainment media are not worried about it as they have no reason to think that she should be doing so.

      Because Harrington is slowly becoming a star in his own right, and because this would be a cliffhanger rather than a done-deal, this would get the attention of the general entertainment media and much speculation from the general viewers.

      The more we discuss this, the more I realize that this actually needs to be done early in a season in order to give the audience a couple of weeks of being unsure about the resolution.(I.e., climax of first episode, absent from 2nd episode, recovery in next one.)It cannot be much more than that: the character is too important to the story, and although we haven’t read WoW yet, I really doubt that he’ll be anything other than one of the three lead protagonists yet again.(Chances are very good that

      ). If the character is gone for more than a week, then they will have to get through 2 seasons of story lines in 1.5 seasons: and that would not flow well.

      That’s too bad because it loses the Daeny parallel: but the alternative is to also include the resolution this year because a lot more than just hardcore book readers will be paying attention to what the actor is doing because of this.(It won’t quite be “Will JR live?” in magnitude, but it will be the same general effect.)

      I very much doubt Jon will be fixed almost immediatly, I think that it won’t be before 50% + of twow that he is healed and returned, maybe even after 75%+. The show will need atleast 4-5 episodes in between with some inhappenings @ the wall in between.

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    41. Wimsey: Didn’t Davos and Stannis already convince the Bank to fund Stannis’ cause last season? If so, then
      that obviates the need to have any of the Bank board go north, anyway.

      However what bank does not try to get back it’s due?
      The also shoot KL stuff in Croatia so no reason Mark Gatiss could not have met Lena for a shot take , even an out door scene as has been done for KL a lot.

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    42. Mark Gatiss is a very shrewd, intelligent guy who researchs things meticulously. I’d be surprised if he didn’t know exactly what has happened to his character book-wise up to this point. I sense he was playing with the audience a bit so would take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

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    43. TheTouchOfFrost: Mark Gatiss is a very shrewd, intelligent guy who researchs things meticulously.

      Yeah Dave and Dan seemed kind of amazed that they got Gatiss , tho so far the show has attracted some of the finest ‘character’ actors available. And to think someone above complained about Gatiss, I guess they don’t know who he is.
      There is another case where George’s Tycho Nestoris is not all that dimensional on the page , but Gatiss makes an interesting cool character.
      I guess its been noticed, but like two of Dany’s dragons, Tycho’s name was not mentioned on the show in that scene. I guess that happens season 5. His two companions were not introduced either, non speaking roles, but wonder if one of them was supposed to be Noho Dimittis?

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    44. Boojam: However what bank does not try to get back it’s due?

      Certainly: but the issue is, should Tycho go to the Wall? In the books, that is partially the Bank getting an agent to cast down Cersei. (Silly bankers: they should pay more attention to prophecies!) In part it is also an investment: they put X amount of gold into Stannis, and he presumably will get them X+Y gold back later.

      However, Stannis already has the Bank’s financial backing. So, they don’t need to find Stannis to basically hire him. That means B&W will have to find another angle for further involvement of the Bank. Cersei’s people seeking them out to try to make some kind of amends or something like that might be one way to do that. (It will be interesting to learn at who’s behest Mace is there.)

      TheTouchOfFrost: Mark Gatiss is a very shrewd, intelligent guy who researchs things meticulously.

      He also is a very busy guy! The exact details might have been eluding him, even if Gattis took the time to learn them earlier. The fact that he knows where the shooting for the Wall is tells us that Gattis already had been thinking about these things, however, and strongly suggests that he know what might happen.

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    45. Boojam,

      I don’t think he was on most people’s radar until Sherlock. Being a massive ‘The League of Gentlemen’ fan I’ve enjoyed his work for aggggggges!
      Tycho always interested me as a minor character not least because he seems confident enough to wander around the wartorn north with relatively little protection. With him seemingly being the representation of the Iron Bank in the show he has the potential to be quite an important and interesting character.

      Wimsey,

      Think he’d know not to drop any “spoilers” though. I think he’s being a bit playful with the fans.

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    46. TheTouchOfFrost,
      He may be a smart guy but that doesn’t mean he’s meticuously researched everything for a show he isn’t writing. And he knew where Tycho was headed, the audience merely confirmed it. Plus it gels with what we already know of the Wall storyline casting and filming.

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    47. Dogcheese,
      I don’t usually comment on people’s appearance, but I think she just has it clipped back, not much longer on one side than the other like Natalie Dormer in Hunger Games (or the Human League if you know your early 80s pop) if that’s what you mean?

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    48. I think people love Gatiss more than the character. I had no issues with his portrayal, but it wasn’t the best thing about the scene either. Gatiss is a cool and talented guy though.

      Rygar: Although you’re an imposter, I like your style.

      Burp is exactly what I think about this underwhelming character so far in the show.People seemed to love this guy, however I felt he was outclassed by Cunningham and Dillane and made zero impact on me other than the fact that I was annoyed at Nina for casting a stetotypical looking banker.

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    49. Love Gatiss so much, always did, he’s wonderful (as well as his work in/for Sherlock and Doctor Who)!
      The more Mark Gatiss the better! 😀

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    50. Waxfoot:
      I think people love Gatiss more than the character. I had no issues with his portrayal, but it wasn’t the best thing about the scene either. Gatiss is a cool and talented guy though.

      Exactly my point.

      Its another Burn Gurman situation. Some people give credit/accolades to the actor based on history/past performances as opposed to what’s being displayed.

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    51. Lulu’s Mum,

      Yea at first I thought she had completely shaved that side of her head. I don’t think they would have that kind of hairstyle in GoT anyway.

      Unless you get Darkstar’d of course.

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    52. Sue the Fury,

      I think he would at least have looked into his character though so he knows full well that he visits the wall in the books! Folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they like but I’m taking it with a pinch of salt.

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    53. Waxfoot,

      I wonder what folks would have thought of Gatiss as Tycho Nestoris if he had kept his purple hat?

      “We who serve the Iron Bank face death full as often as you who serve the Iron Throne.”
      — TN

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    54. TheTouchOfFrost: I think he would at least have looked into his character though so he knows full well that he visits the wall in the books!

      Ah, but the fact that you think that he would have looked into his character does not necessarily determine that: 1) Gattis actually did do this, or that 2) Gattis remembers the details many months later. (One common mistake that hardcores like us make is to assume that other people remember this stuff as well as we do!)

      Note that Gattis himself actually volunteers the information: but he also delivers it as if he does not trust his memory 100%. Gattis has been very busy since he accepted the role, after all. Gattis also obviously isn’t trying to not spoil things (or at least he’s not remembering to do that!): otherwise, he’d remember to state “I can’t say!” or something like that. (He used the “they’d kill me” line already, but something along those lines.) Again, that could be deliberate or just a memory lapse. (People often forget one thing while searching their memory for another thing: we are lousy multitasks!)

      Hodor’s Bastard: I wonder what folks would have thought of Gatiss as Tycho Nestoris if he had kept his purple hat?

      Not much, as they wouldn’t remember anything other than the Hat, and then a reminiscence about Dr. Seuss characters! 🙂

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    55. TheTouchOfFrost,

      I think that actors read their script, film their stuff and then move on and that’s what he did. The show’s actors reiterate this point often. They don’t obsess as we do. He has a very small role on the show, obviously it’s nowhere near his involvement with Sherlock and Doctor Who. So he would’ve checked out Tycho’s deal ages ago and now he’s sitting at a convention in Mumbai and I don’t really expect him to have flawlessly memorized Tycho’s storyline from the books, especially since the show often changes that.

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    56. Wimsey,

      Sue the Fury,

      Personally, I think he’s being deliberately vague so as to avoid further questioning or to do exactly what we’re doing now and creating a little ripple of speculation amongst the fans. Not as if it’s a really big deal where his character might be anyway and with him being more focused on for Sherlock and Dr Who ( criminal no one asked more about The League of Gentlemen! :P) it was easier to move on. Perhaps he’s moved on and forgotton, perhaps it’s a deliberate ploy to deflect further questioning or generate some interest. I guess only the man himself will know!

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    57. TheTouchOfFrost,

      I think that Sue makes a key point here:

      Sue the Fury: The show’s actors reiterate this point often. They don’t obsess as we do.

      That goes beyond just (most of) the actors: that applies to most of the viewers and readers. This actually comes up in a lot of other ways: for example, we hardcores often label things “obvious” that are far from obvious to the casual reader/viewer. Now, Gatiss can be a fanboy himself – he can spout Doctor Who trivia at levels of detail that should impress any geek – but most people can handle only a few obsessions in their lives at any one time!

      (On a side-note, it would be interesting to see what Gattiss would do on the other end of the camera for Thrones: however, I don’t think that his style would mesh well with B&W’s.)

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    58. I don’t think obsessing and having a knowledge of his own character are quite the same thing! Unless he’s just one of these actors who doesn’t read ahead as it helps them with the role.
      I think he could do some scenes well ( the Theon/Ramsay stuff and Bran beyond The Wall) but other stufff…who knows. I’d take him over Alex Graves 😛

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    59. TheTouchOfFrost,

      Oddly, they actually become the same thing. Most people have to obsess about things to really remember them: our memories are built by thinking about something over and over again over an extended period of time. That is why, for example, people who major in biology remember Biology 101 material better when they graduate than when they took the course, whereas the non-majors who took the same course do not remember it any better than people who did not take the class.

      What Gatiss would definelty know is that he liked what he saw when he saw it. The details might well be blurred by the Doctor Who, Sherlock, etc. stuff over which he has been obsessing.

      (Even prolonged breaks can rob your memory: despite being an avid SoI&F poster in the late ’90’s, I had completely forgotten something as basic as who Jon’s mother probably is when the TV series started!)

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    60. Ghost’s Lunch:
      Greenjones,

      Wouldn’t be surprised also if Hardhome does indeed feature quite strongly, firstly for a big battle but to put the WW’s back in people’s minds in a big way since the end of a Season 2 with the fist of first men

      I was doubtful they would do

      Hardhome in the beginning. It’s off book pages and no major character involved. But I’m getting more and more the feeling it will be that battle they wanted to film in Iceland yet it got too big for the set, exactly for the reason you mention above. Plus there is the little info that I read in one of the interviews this year, where White Walkers are mentioned as appearing more in S5. (Wish I remember what interview that was.) Having Hardhome suddenly makes more sense.

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    61. I don’t think

      Jon is for Mel to heal.

      I forget .. did they ever have him lift Alliser off the ground by his throat on the show ? Well, regardless…

      I don’t think he’ll be as wounded as many assume and I think he’ll snap into warg / beserker mode as he has already done in the books somewhat, with Emmett.
      Consequently, he really won’t be out of the action at all..

      If TWoW does go this way , as I suspect, I don’t see how the show could resist putting it in. (TV loves badassery) And it would be another reason to delay Jon’s final ADWD scene until S06.

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