The Ironborn speak in new interviews; Melisandre’s High Valyrian translated

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IGN brings us a pair of Ironborn interviews, after a huge episode for the islanders this week on Game of Thrones. Portrayer of the late king Balon, Patrick Malahide, and Gemma Whelan (Yara Greyjoy) both chat with IGN‘s Terri Schwartz about their characters and the twists we saw play out in “Home.”

In the interview, Malahide describes the creation of his stormy death scene with new cast member Pilou Asbæk (Euron). The actor explains how the two of them stood underneath “great big revolving rain machines” in a quarry (presumably Magheramorne Quarry, where we saw the likely set being built) last November.

The rains came down, “And there was Pilou, who was dancing around all excited on the bridge, which is swinging. They had ropes on it so it was swinging around to make it look like it was high wind. Then the rain machine started, and I’ve never seen anyone’s enthusiasm evaporate quite so quickly,” he tells IGN with a laugh.

Malahide has a good sense of humor. When Schwartz observes that Theon and Balon never saw each other again, he says, “I saw a piece of him, of course.”

He was aware that fans expected him to die long ago.  “I’m aware of it because fans keep on coming up to me saying, ‘You’re still here. How come you’re still here?’ [laughs] Which is very amusing. Somebody offered to print me a t-shirt that said, ‘The last of the Five Kings. Still here.’ Last king standing.”

The interview is a great read, and includes his choice for the Seastone Chair and much more so visit the full interview at IGN.


GOT602_081215_HS_DSC_1902[1]The actress who plays Balon’s daughter Yara also talks to IGN this week. Gemma Whelan can’t reveal too much about season 6 for fear of spoilers but she offers a few hints and talks about her co-stars on Game of Thrones.

“I can’t really say what’s going to happen other than they probably wouldn’t have invested in such a start to the Greyjoy’s story this season if it wasn’t going to go somewhere. Pilou Asbæk was fantastic fun to work with. There’s some stuff coming up.”

As for Euron Greyjoy, Yara is aware of his existence, but isn’t close to him. The actress says, “She knows she’s got an uncle that’s been gone, absent, for a very long time. I don’t think she’s expecting to see him.”

Now that Balon is dead, will Yara be stepping in to rule? Whelan tells IGN,  “Certainly I think she’s a strong candidate.”  She speaks of her character’s qualifications: “She’s been there. She’s grasped it. She knows the place inside and out, the men and how the ironborn work. She’s seen the mistakes her father has made and is determined to push forward in a different way.”

Another family matter: when Yara last saw a barely recognizable Theon, he’d turned his back on her and she left him at the Dreadfort. IGN asks, will she welcome him back now? Whelan explains Yara’s stance.

“I know that she stands for family, truly down deep in her heart. Her version of morally correct. One would hope that they would manage to sort things out, but I don’t know, you’ll have to wait and see.”

Gemma has a lot more to say about the show, her enthusiasm for it and her co-stars so check out the rest at IGN.


There is more info incoming from Entertainment Weekly‘s cover story with Kit Harington and the death and resurrection of Jon Snow.

According to EW, showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss gave Jon Snow a code name to be used on set at all times, except when the cameras were rolling: “LC,” which stands for “Lord Commander.”

Kit Harington tells EW, “No one was allowed to say ‘Jon Snow’ on set, ever, everyone had to refer to me as ‘LC.'” There was no written mention of Jon Snow anywhere, nothing in the scripts, call sheets, or any sort of props and wardrobe materials.

And of course, not only is he not dead, “It’s a massive season for him, it’s the biggest season for him so far, he features very prominently this season,” says Harington. “I was told that when I was told I was coming back – that the season I was coming back for would be my biggest, and that’s quite a lot to take as well.”


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Speaking of the resurrection, David J. Peterson, the show’s creator of High Valyrian, has helpfully published a translation of Melisandre’s High Valyrian dialogue spoken over Jon’s body in “Home.”

This is what she said (in High Valyrian):

Zȳhys ōñoso jehikagon Āeksiot epi, se gīs hen sȳndrorro jemagon.
“We ask the Lord to shine his light, and lead a soul out of darkness.”

Zȳhys perzys stepagon Āeksio Ōño jorepi, se morghūltas lȳs qēlītsos sikagon.
“We beg the Lord to share his fire, and light a candle that has gone out.”

Hen sȳndrorro, ōños. Hen ñuqīr, perzys. Hen morghot, glaeson.
“From darkness, light. From ashes, fire. From death, life.”

Thanks, David! You can follow him on Twitter and Tumblr.

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    1. Ohhh, so Peterson provided the translation. I saw it in an article on another site earlier this morning that said “Reddit fans translated it.” I was wondering how the hell can people translate it? Not just that but spell out the Valyrian words correctly.

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    2. In Latinamerica they included the valyrian translation in the subtitles. Why can’t they do the same in the american broadcast?

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    3. Daniel Z,

      I was wondering why they didn’t. They typically have in other scenes with Dothraki and High Valyrian. Perhaps they thought it was a little more ‘magical’ to have her speaking without showing what she was saying. It doesn’t make sense to do it in some regions though… huh

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    4. Connor,

      Very similar. Thoros said something like “Lord, cast your light upon this man. Bring him back from death and darkness.” I can’t remember exactly.

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    5. American television avoids subtitles like the plague. They’ll do it only when they absolutely have to. I guess they thought Mel’s magic words didn’t need translation- it’s like when people speak Latin to do magic on other TV shows.

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    6. I think I’ll add the guy on Twitter…I’d love to know what “Khostos da-uur” (probably mis-spelled) means. Has anyone else noticed how Dany uses this at the end of a lot (in fact most) of her sentences in High Valyrian?

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    7. Apollo:
      I think I’ll add the guy on Twitter…I’d love to know what “Khostos da-uur” (probably mis-spelled) means. Has anyone else noticed how Dany uses this at the end of a lot (in fact most) of her sentences in High Valyrian?

      I guess I haven’t noticed. I believe ‘daor’ is No and Not so maybe that’s part of it…

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    8. I just looked at Season 3, The words are not exactly the same but they’re basically asking the same thing.

      I also realized that the end credit song from Sunday’s episode is the same music they used when the Hound was fighting with Beric….. So the resurrection part is similar duh 🙂 But does that mean Jon will come back a believer of the Lord of light like Beric???

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    9. Daniel Z:
      In Latinamerica they included the valyrian translation in the subtitles. Why can’t they do the same in the american broadcast?

      That really bothered me. We always have Valyrian and Dothraki subtitled in the show, that adds to the otherworldly-but-real vibe of GoT, so it was odd that Mel’s words were not subtitled. On my first viewing, I even thought it wasn’t Valyrian, but some other older language, because it sounded different to me from how the characters in Essos say it.

      The North Remembers: But does that mean Jon will come back a believer of the Lord of light like Beric???

      That would be a twist, if he becomes a devotee! 😀

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    10. I’m seriously going crazy from not knowing if that priest is a greyjoy, or just a high standing priest with no family ties to the greyjoys. Do WOTW know anything about any confirmation on this. Is Michael Feast playing Aeron Greyjoy or The Old Grey Gull or Tarle The Thrice Drowned or what?

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    11. Well, the reddit translation I was was via Finnish. Apparently HBO Nordic had subtitles for that part. Peterson makes it official 🙂

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    12. Damn sunday cannot come fast enough. I woke up monday to find this site hyped up.

      The only thing i had envisioned (for the books also) is Jaquen (him being all knowing and all powerfull) telling Arya of Jon`s death to see if she will react to it or is she really noone.
      The fact Jon has died has not left Castle Black in the tv show it seeems.

      Brienne didn´t say it was Sandor with Arya to Sansa… i find that lame because the Hound cannot be some random pearson for Brienne to leave him out and reduce him to “some guy”.

      Cersei being all motherly bothers me, i find the book Cersei more starightfoward.
      Also did Jamie not ask himself why she had her walk? Where is Lancel?

      I agree with most of the members of this site that if it was Roose who killed Ramsay would be more fitting and shocking. But i must say i find Iwan´s interpretation of Ramsey excelent this season.

      Theon … is going back to Pyke for the kingsmoot where he will most likely be killed by Euron by drowning him in a barrel.

      Where is half of Stannis´s army that got away after the Shieen burning? No mention of them.

      Lord Karstark saying “its time for new blood” made me think of Jon giving wildlings Boltons bannermens lands once he defeats them… I so wish they would incluse Alys Karstark in the TV show. She and what Jon arranges for her shows his diplomatic ability and the posibility of the unification of the wildlings and the northerners rather and mending old wounds Robb left behind.

      Hodor —> stable boy —> hold the door —> the stable door will kick him? The 3 children in Brans vision were Ned, Benjen and Lyanna so that means all the reports of us seing yound Ned, Robert and Hodor fighting in the yard are false?

      THERE IS NO DORNE IN THE SHOW ANYMORE; THANK THE LORD OF LIGHT!!!!!

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    13. I recall there being mention of a scene in one of the past posts about scenes being filmed with the new Lord Commander.

      I wonder if the informant didn’t realize they were being duped?

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    14. Apollo:
      I think I’ll add the guy on Twitter…I’d love to know what “Khostos da-uur” (probably mis-spelled) means. Has anyone else noticed how Dany uses this at the end of a lot (in fact most) of her sentences in High Valyrian?

      Yes, I noticed this as well and also have been wondering what it means

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    15. Mihnea:

      There will be more Dorne, don’t worry.

      NOOOOO!

      MERCY!!!!!!

      Also to add, the way Jon was ressurected was kinda too easy. Only (Olly) death can pay for life and for Davos to participate of ritual killing of Olly to bring Jon back would add more “weight” to the desicion for him to go ask Mel for help and it would add more drama when at first the ressurection fails. Davos would be like did i just burn a child for nothing?

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    16. Hoyti Von Totiy:

      Brienne didn´t say it was Sandor with Arya to Sansa… i find that lame because the Hound cannot be some random pearson for Brienne to leave him out and reduce him to “some guy”.

      I’m just going to pretend that Brienne wanted to give her good news about Arya being alive to lift her spirits and assumed that mentioning she was with Sandor Clegane would dampen it or make her afraid for her safety. Brienne wouldn’t know that the Hound and Sansa had a sort of amicable relationship at King’s Landing. I suppose she could have said she killed him to ease that, but that would also be telling her that Arya was then out there alone.

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    17. Mihnea,

      Yeah, the snakes came into the harbor unnoticed by those who would have been on watch. They killed Trystane and escaped into the city? Maybe they sailed away unnoticed too.

      Or…I guess they could have caught up to the ship midway and hid until they reached Port and Jamie left the boat…and no one mentioned anything to Jamie or Trystane as the boat approached their boat.

      So if they are still in king’s landing they could perhaps show up again…unfortunately.

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    18. Mihnea,

      Funny how little we’ve talked about him on here, given he’s had a couple lines and he’s a POV character, as well.

      And Feast is a well known actor.

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    19. Dutch Maester,

      Well for one I doubt they will turn him into a secondary character.
      I doubt they will focus on his

      rivalry with Euron

      I think they will give it to Yara and

      Theon

      I believe Aeron will be a background character.

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    20. Next episode is “Oathbreaker” .. i tell ya the fact Brienne did not mention the sword she has is Ice (1 part of it atleast..) is wrong.

      She better leave that sword behind with Sansa when she goes back to the Riverlands.

      In the preview for Ep3 there are only 2 kingsguard at TOJ and neither seem to have a big white sword on them…. 🙁

      Where is the third KG, and will Howland Reed be named?

      The show has mentioned Karstarks, Manderlys, Glovers and Umbers so far but no House Reed 🙁

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    21. As for the resurrection, the thing I don’t get is that Melisandre was supposed to perform the same ritual as Thoros, right? So you mean to tell me that the numerous times he performed it, he cut/washed Berics hair? No, actually back in season 3 we saw him do the ritual and he definitely didn’t ask anyone for scissors
      Thoughts?

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    22. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Howland Reed was mentioned (briefly). I do agree that the crannogmen meter needs more power. According to

      the wiki HR will appear in the flashback

      My buddy is a yuge Howland Reed fan. I always troll him like, “Howland Reed? Never heard of him.” My brother is a Hodor fan and has some real interesting theories about the sword Hodor takes from the Winterfell crypt.

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    23. In the EW interview, they revealed that the resurrection scene took so long to shoot, Carice came up with a dirty codename for Jon that also had LC in it. But they wouldn’t/couldn’t print what it was. Any guesses?

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    24. Tycho Nestoris,

      She did.

      She just did the ritual ”by the book” because she, as she admits, never had the power and never done it before. She wanted to take all measures and leave nothing at chance.

      Thoros just said the prayer, it’s clear he was stronger then Mel, when this is concerned.

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    25. I am the Storm,

      It is something that will have to be ignored. They likely added Mel cutting Jon’s hair because in real life they wanted Kit to trim his hair to help give the appearance of a “new” Jon Snow. It’s an age old tactic they do with recasts too. They included it so Jon doesn’t wake up with shorter hair than we’re used to without cause. It now has a story explanation. It’s a bit odd, but not a big deal either.

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    26. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      Damn sunday cannot come fast enough.
      Lord Karstark saying “its time for new blood” made me think of Jon giving wildlings Boltons bannermens lands once he defeats them… I so wish they would incluse Alys Karstark in the TV show.She and what Jon arranges for her shows his diplomatic ability and the posibility of the unification of the wildlings and the northerners rather and mending old wounds Robb left behind.

      I’d love to see this.

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    27. Tycho Nestoris,

      Warging in the books could happen, I doubt it but honestly I don’t care.

      But even that wouldn’t revive Jon, at most it would keep his mind safe, but warging alone won’t bring his body back.

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    28. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      Next episode is “Oathbreaker” .. i tell ya the fact Brienne did not mention the sword she has is Ice (1 part of it atleast..) is wrong.

      She better leave that sword behind with Sansa when she goes back to the Riverlands.

      In the preview for Ep3 there are only 2 kingsguard at TOJ and neither seem to have a big white sword on them….

      We don’t know she didn’t tell Sansa this…tparts of the conversation could just as easily have happened off camera (or were cut). And I’d say that Brienne still needs Oathkeeper to find and protect Arya and (possibly) Rickon and Bran.

      The milk white sword is a really unimportant part of the story (and a result of GRRMs often unnecessary world-building), there’s no reason for that to be included.

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    29. Mihnea,

      You have no doubt (even a little) about it being, Mel? I am at least little reticent to say with certainty it was her. Do you think they dig deeper in the next ep or just move on?

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    30. orange,

      That is most likely the entire ritual done ”by the book” with all the measures and traditions.

      Thoros was clearly better then Mel at this, she says that herself, and she never did this before.
      So I don’t find anything weird in her not leaving anything to chance and doing all the parts she knows.

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    31. Mihnea,

      warging alone won’t bring his body back.

      I am not sure Jon’s body is coming back in aSoIaF but neither does George apparently haha

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    32. Nice, simple, and effective prayer. I like it.

      “It’s a massive season for him, it’s the biggest season for him so far, he features very prominently this season.”

      YES!!!! I can’t wait. Please be in every episode! I can’t wait to see him reunite with Sansa and see how the NW and Wildlings react to seeing him (especially Thorne and Olly). Will Sansa know of the resurrection? I wonder….

      I also can’t wait for Yara and Theon to reunite! I love Yara so much and I fear for her this season.

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    33. Dutch Maester,

      Thanks for that link. Interesting hints given there that Thorne and Jon will try to make peace. I suspected this would happen. I don’t think Jon will execute the mutineers. I think his resurrection will unify the watch.

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    34. Mihnea: Thoros just said the prayer, it’s clear he was stronger then Mel, when this is concerned.

      Also, when we saw it, Thoros had done it five previous times. Practice.

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    35. Ravyn,

      Exactly!

      This is the first time Mel did it. Of course she would do the entire thing and leave nothing to chance.

      Thoros on the other hand had experience with this and he clearly knew what he was doing.

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    36. Apollo:
      I think I’ll add the guy on Twitter…I’d love to know what “Khostos da-uur” (probably mis-spelled) means. Has anyone else noticed how Dany uses this at the end of a lot (in fact most) of her sentences in High Valyrian?

      “Konir sagon kostos daor” means “that is not possible”

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    37. I for one don’t think Jon will be changed that much physically or not be able to remember things. Beric has been resurrected at least 6 times, so it makes sense that he’s lost some of himself, but a certain someone was dead longer, and “she remembers.”

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    38. Mihnea:
      Apollo,

      God don’t remind me about Dawn.

      Next weeks outrage among the hardcore book fandom will again be insufferable… Ugh..

      Yeah I saw you’d had similar thoughts on this too. And also on the Euron eyepatch. I swear some folk would like to see that guy with a wooden leg and a goddamn parrot on his shoulder! 🙂

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    39. Daniel Z:
      In Latinamerica they included the valyrian translation in the subtitles. Why can’t they do the same in the american broadcast?

      Same in Spain. I was confused by people asking for a translation.

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    40. Tim of House Deddings: “Konir sagon kostos daor”means“that is not possible”

      Interesting (and thanks!)… Where did you get this from, the show subtitles? I guess it means “that is…” as its used so often.

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    41. Apollo,

      He has no eye-patch!!!!!!!

      I can’t even contain my delight see?
      I’m more ”meh” on Dawn.

      I think it’s just world building, we will never see that sword anyway.

      But I swear, some in the hardcore fandom treat it like it holds the secrets of the universe in it….

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    42. Apollo:
      I think I’ll add the guy on Twitter…I’d love to know what “Khostos da-uur” (probably mis-spelled) means. Has anyone else noticed how Dany uses this at the end of a lot (in fact most) of her sentences in High Valyrian?

      It means “no”, I believe, or “not”. Hence the repetition.

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    43. Tycho Nestoris,

      Nope. There is no ”kiss” in the show. You are confusing it with the books.

      Thoros mentions it in the books, but it is never, ever, mentioned in the show.

      Thoros clearly said that he only ”knelt and said the words” No kiss is mentioned in the show.

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    44. I really don’t know how they will end Episode 3, since I doubt that they will show the entire Tower of Joy flashback.

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    45. Pounce:
      I just realized that Bran’s flashback was only 2 minutes.

      It is beautiful beneath the sea. But if you stay too long, you’ll drown.

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    46. Dutch Maester:
      Mihnea,

      Well, yeah, but he’ll lead the Kingsmoot. There’s not much more of substance he did in the books (so far), anyway.

      Which is why I figure his inclusion means he has a greater role going forward. We know Yara/Asha is taking Victarion’s role, given that convieniently Dany needs a fleet, Slaver’s Bay is about to go to hell and the Yunkish will soon revolt. Battle is being set up there, and Dany is really gonna needs some naval support, which Yara, who won’t exactly be a fan of Euron, has. Given the Volantene prostitute she’s getting it with in the trailer it’s safe to assume she’ll be heading to solve Tyrion’s navy problem.

      I get the feeling this season will go respectably into what TWOW would be, especially given actors (Freudian?) slips, and Damphair has a role in there going forward. I believe the going speculation is he throws a Kraken at something; which, as I’ve said before, alone totally merits the inclusion. But just because character’s don’t do much in Feast doesn’t mean they wont in Winds. It makes sense to me that they delayed this story, as they have covered half a book in six minutes, but (especially judging by this episode) the story is poised to go to awesome places, and Damphair is probably a part of that. Better they do it all at once and let it get to a climax at least in this season that do the Feast/Dance thing and just show the prologue.

      It makes sense the way they did it in really almost every way. They’ve just cut Asha’s Northern wanderings in a line of dialogue that summed up her entire book arc (sans Kingsmoot) to this point, and Theon will come to her, thus moving up her plot to where it would be in Winds. Victarion wouldn’t work on TV. This show has a lot of great feminist icons, whereas the sympathetic buy in with Victarion is his personal suffering for having no realistic choice (by medieval standards) but to murder his wife. That doesn’t work today. While I don’t generally fault the show or the books for depicting a brutal medieval (fantastical) reality, Vic (who could be called misogynistic) just doesn’t work on TV with modern realities, norms, and values. Shit, all his best book lines have to do with casual rape. “Used him for a woman” and “make me crew a gift of your arse”, while badass, are also completely barbaric. Unfortunately people like the High Sparrow, and probably Randyll when he shows up, are kind of seen as vilainous to a mass audience due to their cruel actions towards loved characters, and people easily overlook their nuance. Vic would unfortunately just be seen as another Ramsay/Joffesque character due to his proclivity for violence against women. Yara is a much better character who you can more easily root for, and the idea of her getting to see Dany is an awesome one. I’ve got no problem with this adaptation choice, but personally I hope they have Victarion killed in the Greyjoy rebellion after being crushed in battle by Stannis and falling in single combat to Barristan Selmy. That would be an awesome nod to book readers while letting Yara take a plot she, unlike Victarion, has a chance of surviving.

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    47. Mihnea,
      There is no ”kiss” in the show.

      We don’t see Thoros’ first revival but I too assume there was no kiss. That said, just because it doesn’t show it or say it, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Honestly though, you didn’t want Mel to kiss Jon?

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    48. In other news… Following in the grand tradition of the annual Gawker Media “Let’s All Talk About What’s Wrong with Game of Thrones (Because Even Though People Tune In in Record Numbers, And It Wins All The Major Awards, We Can’t Believe Anybody Actually Likes It)” slagfest, TV Guide joins the bandwagon this morning about how broken the show is after only two episodes, one of which is the most talked about hour of television this week :

      http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-how-to-fix-season-six/

      Dearest TV Guide friends: We know your rival Entertainment Weekly gets all the scoops, but you should really try a bit harder with your hit pieces; they smack of desperation.

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    49. JustanotherSchemer,

      I don’t know I thought it could have been longer…that’s what you get when you put 8 storylines in a 54 minutes episode.

      I’m afraid it’s going to get messier next episode. I’m praying that Sam will have a very short scene. They won’t be able to give Arya more time unfortunately…so her story won’t progress until mid-season.

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    50. Tycho Nestoris,

      Thoros tells Mel the story of the first time he brought Beric back. If there was a ”kiss” he would have mention it. If there was a ”kiss” Mel would have done it here.
      There is simply no ‘kiss” of life in the show. That’s it.

      Not really.

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    51. Luka Nieto: It means “no”, I believe, or “not”. Hence the repetition.

      Possibly..its been bugging me for ages, glad that at least I wasn’t the only one who’d noticed

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    52. The fact Jon was ressurected at the end of Ep2 and that the preview for Ep3 has him walking the courtyard of Catsle Black for all the nightswatch and wildlings to see gives this picture a new mistery:

      http://postimg.org/image/exdib3xk1/

      If this pic is from Ep5, why is Mellisandre still “depressed” and covered in furs?
      You think she would be back to her old self when the ressurection worked.

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    53. Ravyn,

      Ten gold dragons that it was something with a strong sexual connotation along the lines of “Long Cock.” That would explain why EW wouldn’t print it.

      They were filming that scene for a long time in intimate quarters and Carice has a wicked sense of humor. I expect they resorted to dirty jokes to keep the mood light pretty quickly.

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    54. Tycho Nestoris:
      Mihnea,

      You have no doubt (even a little) about it being, Mel? I am at least little reticent to say with certainty it was her. Do you think they dig deeper in the next ep or just move on?

      I am not Mihnea, but why should it really be any more complicated than just Mel? And I really don’t want them to spend any more time digging deeper in more episodes, and just move on.
      There is a certain symmetry. Tyrion’s life was in mortal danger and he would have been killed if Jaime hadn’t released him from prison and Varys hadn’t spirited him to Essos. Daenerys would certainly have been killed in the next few moments when Drogon came and saved her. Jon was actually killed, for two entire episodes and then brought back. I believe the show preserved the shock value at the end of a season because Martin had employed the same tactic in his books. Otherwise, they would simply have had him killed in 6.01 and brought him back in 6.02. The result of the near-death and death experiences, is that all three, Tyrion, Daenerys and Jon, will be much more to-the-point going forward! (We saw how Tyrion cultivated balls of Valyrian steel and released the dragons!)

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    55. Kay,

      but why should it really be any more complicated than just Mel?

      I am not sure that it should either. Perhaps I misrepresented myself as having a preference. I was just trying to say I am not sure.

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    56. Jared,

      The article definitely implied it was an X rated name, so my guess would’ve been Long Cock, too, or Lord Cock, especially since it was fairly prominent even on camera.

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    57. Mihnea:

      She looks more smug to me. Determined rather then depressed.

      Im more focused on the cloth/scarf around her neck. She did not need it before because “the lords light burned inside her” ….
      Infact Carice in her interviews for Episode 1 said that her covering herself up is a sign of her losing her faith and power … So why is she still “cold” in Ep5 ?

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    58. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      The fact Jon was ressurected at the end of Ep2 and that the preview for Ep3 has him walking the courtyard of Catsle Black for all the nightswatch and wildlings to see gives this picture a new mistery:

      http://postimg.org/image/exdib3xk1/

      If this pic is from Ep5, why is Mellisandre still “depressed” and covered in furs?
      You think she would be back to her old self when the ressurection worked.

      That’s just her usual cloak that she often wears. She wore it in S3 when she went to find Gendry and another bunch of times.

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    59. orange:
      I am the Storm,

      It is something that will have to be ignored. They likely added Mel cutting Jon’s hair because in real life they wanted Kit to trim his hair to help give the appearance of a “new” Jon Snow. It’s an age old tactic they do with recasts too. They included it so Jon doesn’t wake up with shorter hair than we’re used to without cause. It now has a story explanation. It’s a bit odd, but not a big deal either.

      She didn’t cut that much off did she?

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    60. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Perhaps Jon and Davos find out what she did to Shireen and send her away.

      It would be depressing to be sent off by the person who’s life you just saved and reignited your faith.

      Or she could be riding with him to Winterfell

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    61. Cameryn,

      Both arguments are nonsensical.

      1) The whole issue of checking in with everyone is a very typical early episode issue that has always been the case and cannot really be solved without disserving storylines. Usually, episodes 4-9 deal with fewer storylines, allowing longer and more personal scenes.

      2) Sacrificing stylistic consistency for experimenting with different styles, formats and order of events. This is a horrible ides, and usually indicating that a show is running out of ideas and has to use tricks to be able to keep people watching. Clearly GoT isn’t that kind of show. Besides, they’ve started doing flashbacks, so there you go.

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    62. Hoyti Von Totiy: Next episode is “Oathbreaker” .. i tell ya the fact Brienne did not mention the sword she has is Ice (1 part of it atleast..) is wrong.

      She better leave that sword behind with Sansa when she goes back to the Riverlands.

      Why? She is officially her sworn shild now. Unless Brienne leaves that service (which isn’t clear) I think it’s fitting that she wields a sword that’s partly made out of Sansa’s family sword.

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    63. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      The Reeds have played a large part tho – not Howland, I think he’s only been mentioned in passing – but don’t forget about Meera and Jojen. Meera is probably sticking around for a while yet, it’ll only take Bran to mention him and her to say “my father?” to make it make sense for the audience.

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    64. Hoyti Von Totiy: Im more focused on the cloth/scarf around her neck. She did not need it before because “the lords light burned inside her” ….
      Infact Carice in her interviews for Episode 1 said that her covering herself up is a sign of her losing her faith and power … So why is she still “cold” in Ep5 ?

      Melisandre wore the same scarf-like thing (a cowl?) in the episode where Stannis and the entire entourage marched out of Castle Black. And she was feeling pretty high and mighty then. So I don’t know if Mel wearing the same getup in 6×05 is because she’s still feeling cold. It could just a necessity for the actress to wear when they’re filming in the cold outdoors.

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    65. Jack Bauer 24: She didn’t cut that much off did she?

      She could have tried the magic ritual that the sorcerer that practiced on Varys used when Varys was just a kid…
      Now THAT would be one hell of a price to pay for a ressurection.
      One might say Jon would never “rise again” after that. 🙂 🙂 🙂

      And no way Mellisandre could ressurect him again for like Thoros said a “headlesss” man cannot be ressurected 🙂

      On the bright note of cock cutting … Like Val said in the books “keeping his vows would come much easyer then” 🙂

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    66. Dutch Maester: 1) The whole issue of checking in with everyone is a very typical early episode issue that has always been the case and cannot really be solved without disserving storylines. Usually, episodes 4-9 deal with fewer storylines, allowing longer and more personal scenes.

      Yeah.. critics were already saying that GOT needed to “fix” that back in S2. 4 seasons later, the show is more popular than ever, even though they didn’t “fix” anything in that regard.

      If those critics really think they know better than the writers about storytelling then they should probably create things of their own instead of just judging what others have created.

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    67. Clob: I’m just going to pretend that Brienne wanted to give her good news about Arya being alive to lift her spirits and assumed that mentioning she was with Sandor Clegane would dampen it or make her afraid for her safety.Brienne wouldn’t know that the Hound and Sansa had a sort of amicable relationship at King’s Landing.I suppose she could have said she killed him to ease that, but that would also be telling her that Arya was then out there alone.

      Yeah no one knows really that Sandor was protecting both Stark girls, he has a rep as a dog in KL, and as a deserter ,murderer and kidnapper in the wild.
      Neither Pod or Brienne know this,nor do Gendri or Hotpie, so to me it was like she was sparing Sansa heartache and fear, by putting it the way she did.

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    68. rhymeswithweak:
      Clob,

      Sansa is her Queen…she cant be hiding no secrets from her!

      Well she just didn’t say who, the results will be the same,her Queen will task her with finding her sister, while his return will be a surprise to Brienne and others.

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    69. Clob,
      What makes everyone think Brienne knows the hound? By the time she arrived at KL with Jaime he was gone. Did she recognize him when they fought? I don’t remember that.

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    70. Mihnea,

      It could even be that there is no actual rutal. Thoros clearly didn’t use one, he just honestly begged the Lord of Light to bring his friend back. – Which could very well mean that the one and only thing that brought Jon back was Melisandre quiet, desperate “please” at the end. Maybe it wasn’t Melisandre the powerful sorceress that brought him back, but Melisandre the devoted servant, pleading for help in a time of despair.

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    71. About Brienne. I really had an odd sense of her being out of character in 6ep2. She seemed almost too familiar with Sansa and her telling Sansa that Arya was with a man she did not want to leave but also omitting “and yet, I did my best to kill him” was just strange. In fact, I thought that whole Brienne meeting and losing sight of Ayra was really silly. But that’s over and done with. Yet I can’t see Brienne understanding – like truly understanding – that Arya wanted to stay with Clegane. Why would she want to kill him then?

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    72. Kit Hairyton,

      I was thinking maybe Lyanna could be the “Oathbreaker” since she was betrothed to Robert… but often there are multiple references to the title in many episodes.

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    73. Jane Taylor,

      When she came across them, Pod says, “That’s Sandor Clegane. The Hound.”

      She knows who he is in a negative context, though obviously nothing about how he was trying to protect both Stark girls to some extent. (Obviously with Arya he didn’t start trying to protect her)

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    74. Kit Hairyton,

      Oathbreaker refers to many things. All of which make me think this is going to be a top notch ep. This is the ep I have been looking forward to the most (since the titles leaked).

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    75. The North Remembers

      I also realized that the end credit song from Sunday’s episode is the same music they used when the Hound was fighting with Beric….. So the resurrection part is similar duh ? But does that mean Jon will come back a believer of the Lord of light like Beric???

      He’s kind of an old gods man. But that’s a good question. Should be interesting. Especially if Tormund’s comment about ‘they think you are some kind of God’ is directed toward Mellisandre.

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    76. Jane Taylor:
      Clob,
      What makes everyone think Brienne knows the hound?By the time she arrived at KL with Jaime he was gone.Did she recognize him when they fought?I don’t remember that.

      Yes, Pod told her it was Sandor Clegane, The Hound in dialogue.

      EDIT – beaten to it above!

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    77. Ravyn:
      In the EW interview, they revealed that the resurrection scene took so long to shoot, Carice came up with a dirty codename for Jon that also had LC in it. But they wouldn’t/couldn’t print what it was. Any guesses?

      There is one C-word that particularly comes to mind that certainly wouldn’t be printable.

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    78. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      She better leave that sword behind with Sansa when she goes back to the Riverlands.

      Why? What’s Sansa going to do with it? She’s Sansa’s sworn sword, and presumably goes on a mission for her.

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    79. Ravyn,

      Long C…law? He was wearing a loin cloth, so I’d venture another “C” word relating to a man. Well, all men except Varys, Theon, Grey Worm and the other 4 gajillion Unsullied.

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    80. Sean C.,

      She better leave that sword behind with Sansa when she goes back to the Riverlands.

      Maybe Hoyti is saying that it’s in Brienne’s best interest to avoid showing up in the RL with a recognizable Lannister sword? Because, well

      book things…

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    81. I’m very interested in their use of “Lord Commander” as code for Jon. I was always hoping that once he was resurrected he would be released from the NW and would be able to go on to hold titles, fight his own wars, etc. Anyone think this means he will remain as the Lord Commander of the NW? I feel like that would be so limiting to his arc.

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    82. Ravyn:
      Jared,

      The article definitely implied it was an X rated name, so my guess would’ve been Long Cock, too, or Lord Cock, especially since it was fairly prominent even on camera.

      I love Lord Cock! I wouldn’t consider cock x-rated but perhaps unprintable. Longclaw, double entendre or no, would be printable.

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    83. Beth,

      I don’t think he will. Just a good code name – not that it was a real code name, since everyone would know what it would refer to 😉

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    84. Jon. Snow’s. Biggest. Season. Yet. CAN’T FUCKING WAIT. DEATH TO THE LANNISTERS. DEATH TO THE BOLTONS. DEATH TO THE FREYS. DEATH TO THE KARSTARKS. DEATH TO DAENERYS. DEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAATTTTTTTTTTTHHHHHHHHH TO EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    85. Beth,

      No, he is no longer Lord Commander. He will probably make Edd Lord Commander, but now that Jon has been to the land of the dead and back, he is going to be singularly focused on uniting the North and probably the entire 7 kingdoms against the coming war with the White Walkers.

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    86. Jane Taylor:
      Clob,
      What makes everyone think Brienne knows the hound?By the time she arrived at KL with Jaime he was gone.Did she recognize him when they fought?I don’t remember that.

      As mentioned above, Podrick says so, as soon as he and Brienne meet the Hound.

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    87. Hoyti Von Totiy,
      Kit Hairyton,

      If you posted something here and it got deleted Sue did it for good reason. Continuing to post it will get you banned. If you have a question as to why it was deleted, you could send us an email and ask why. But don’t just keep posting it.

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    88. Hen sȳndrorro, ōños. Hen ñuqīr, perzys. Hen morghot, glaeson.

      Haha, this was my bad Valyrian spelling take just from listening (twice). (Well, Mel said it five and more times at each watching):

      Hen zen dorro onyos, hen khi persys, hen morghot gleison.

      Wow, maybe I’m not a lapsed linguist for nothing! 😀

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    89. Kit Hairyton:
      Does “Oathbreaker” refer to Ned and an oath he swore to his sister?

      Ned kept that promise, though it caused him much pain. I don’t believe we’ll see that promise until Episode 5.

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    90. Jared,

      Hey Jared –
      There have been so many comments posted since this episode aired, I must have missed yours, which are always my favorite to read! Can you point to where I can find them?

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    91. Lindalou:
      Nobody is going to believe anything Kit Harington says ever again.

      To be blunt, after the fake-out the producers of The Walking Dead pulled with one of their principal cast in their midseason finale six months or so ago, I’m surprised any viewer will ever believe *anything* a cast or crew member of Game of Thrones or any other series says, ever again.

      (I am, however, looking forward to this EW story in the new issue tomorrow. The press info about it mentions the “one photo” that helped make it harder to hide Kit’s involvement, which I assume is the long distance photo WotW and WiC posted of

      someone who is obviously Kit in brown Stark-like warrior garb, from the back

      that pretty much convinced everyone he was coming back.)

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    92. Dutch Maester,

      Wow, I really liked this interview. Esp:

      I don’t want to spoil it for anyone. I’ve often said that to people when they ask me. I’ll say, “You don’t really want to know. You want to watch the story. You pay your subscription for a reason.”

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    93. I watched episode again and even clips on youtube. Wasn’t Lyanna supposed to be younger than Ned and also with dark hair?

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    94. Jane Taylor:
      Clob,
      What makes everyone think Brienne knows the hound?By the time she arrived at KL with Jaime he was gone.Did she recognize him when they fought?I don’t remember that.

      When they ran into Arya, Pod told Brienne “That’s Sandor Clegane, The Hound,” after Sandor came out from taking a shit behind the rock.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfIisCcA8Co

      *sorry, was catching up with comments and didn’t notice it was replied to a couple of times already.

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    95. I was confused by the absence of subtitles as well, but something just occurred to me: none of the other characters in that scene understand what she was saying. Our experience as the audience is similar to theirs: it’s just some mumbo jumbo by a foreign priest. In other instances with subtitles, at least one other character in the scene typically understands.

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    96. Geralt of Rivia:
      I watched episode again and even clips on youtube. Wasn’t Lyanna supposed to be younger than Ned and also with dark hair?

      I thought Lyanna had dark hair in the flashback scene? Not dark dark but certainly not blonde.

      As to the relative ages of the Stark siblings in Ned’s generation. On the show it’s established that Brandon was older than Ned and Benjen younger, but we’ve never actually been told Lyanna’s age. In the books, she’s younger than Ned, but in the show she could actually be older. Might be a good choice, given what she gets up to… like perhaps running off with a married man.

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    97. Cameryn,

      The real question is since when is TV Guide still relevant ? When you have covers of shows like The Vampire Diaries,Arrow or whatever crappy soap that CW shits out you kinda lose your credibility .

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    98. Marcus:
      Cameryn,

      The real question is since when is TV Guide still relevant ? When you have covers of shows like The Vampire Diaries,Arrow or whatever crappy soap that CW shits out you kinda lose your credibility .

      LOL, dont really know much about TV Guide, but these shows you mentioned are known for the bad writing, do they consider Arrow and co then as good written shows? Really cant take these guys seriousyl then. They are just annoyed by the hype Got is getting.

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    99. Am I the only one who couldn’t have given less of a shit if there were subtitles in the resurrection prayer sequence? No?

      The way I saw it, *no one* in that room, save Melisandre, knew what she was saying, and so they allowed the audience to feel what Davos and Edd and Torrrrmuuuuuhnd were feeling, hearing this red bitch chant mumbo jumbo over their friend, brother, and Lord Commander, their faces a mixture of helplessness and hope.

      We didn’t need to know what the words meant. But, it’s cool to have even that extra detail.

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    100. Dame Pasty:

      Kit Hairyton,

      If you posted something here and it got deleted Sue did it for good reason.Continuing to post it will get you banned.If you have a question as to why it was deleted, you could send us an email and ask why.But don’t just keep posting it.

      ok i just checked out both trailers and took screen caps whereever Sansa appeared and brightend it…. There is nothing “hidden” there no spoilers so i really dont know what you 2 are talking about. I do slightly remember someone seeing Kit´s curls in a shot with Sansa in the second trailer but i personaly do not seee it and even if it were the case its no longer a spoiler because the man is alive we know that now.

      Weird you would censor someting “small” like that when this site published that picture of Kit in Stark leather armor on the battlefeild taken long ago. That alone was the bigest spoiler picture of all time not because the fact he was alive but becouse he was not wearing his NightsWatch uniform ….

      Anyway enough with the banning and deleting this thread needs some romance:

      🙂

      Ahhh Joffrey “The Good” Baratheon, God how i miss him.

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    101. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Turns out it wasn’t something that had been deleted. Kit Hairyton was talking about the possibility of an image being deleted. We don’t prohibit screencaps of stuff that’s already out. My bad, I misunderstood what you guys were saying.

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    102. FictionIsntReal:
      I was confused by the absence of subtitles as well, but something just occurred to me: none of the other characters in that scene understand what she was saying. Our experience as the audience is similar to theirs: it’s just some mumbo jumbo by a foreign priest.

      This reminds me of the TV show Shogun. (Showing my age here… ) We watched it here in my country, whole family together (our parents didn’t think to cencor any of it though we kids were just tweenies) and it was all subtitled in my language. English, Japanese, all subtitled.

      A few years ago I got the boxed DVD set and… no subtitles for the Japanese! I go on the internet and find out that that how it was originally broadcast in the US, to emphasise the foreignness and confusion Blackthorne felt.

      Oh, and Shogun has been my previous benchmark for a TV show. I love, love, love it. The intrigue, the characters, the wars, the sets, the costumes, the attention to detail… Uhm. Is it any wonder I love GoT?

      (And Shogun the book is even better than the TV show…)

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    103. Huh, for HBO Latin America the Valyrian part had subtitles in spanish, I assumed english viewers had subtitles as well. Pretty weird, I wonder if they screwed up and weren’t supposed to put the translation in?

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    104. I am the Storm,

      My instant thought is why do you think she had to do it the same way as Thoros? That was never stated to be the case, it was never mentioned, nor required. Thoros is from Myr and when he did it he said the only words he knew. Mel is from Asshai and she said the words she knew. Different locations, different people, prob different prayers. They never set a way to raise someone from the dead. Is Robert Strong dead or alive, how did Qyburn raise him?

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    105. From another EW story…

      Some castmembers didn’t believe Harington was departing at all. Ser Davos actor Liam Cunningham, for example, “told me to f— off from the start,” Harington says.

      Haha Davos is sea smart.

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    106. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      We also know of Cerwyns – When Ramsay killed the lord, his wife and lord’s brother because they wouldn’t pay their taxes. Mormonts have been mentioned throughout the show. Show watchers should be aware of the Reeds because of Howland’s mention and Meera. I believe we have seen letters with Hornwood and Tallharts as well.

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    107. Fancy word for a sellsword:
      Damn, I was hoping Mel was reciting a recipe for pot brownies.

      Not sure why you’d want that. Those brownies take you to a Dark Place That’s Full of Terrors. That would harsh anybody’s mellow.

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    108. Flayed Potatoes,

      Maybe they will have it. They have 6 episodes to burn until the battle (assuming it is the 9th episode). So new lord Karstark is at Winterfell. Be a good time for Alys to leave, maybe she leaves to the wall and Jon gets rid of the Karstarks, I don’t know. Trying to think what Jon is going to do for 10 to 15 minutes an episode until the battle.

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    109. It is more like book Brienne to be a bit cautious about what she says. She’s getting to know Sansa and both the Hound and the sword are major bits of info. She hasn’t done anything wrong she’s just being cautious. Which is good.

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    110. Stargaryen:
      I don’t know.Trying to think what Jon is going to do for 10 to 15 minutes an episode until the battle.

      7

      Well if he has amnesia he is going to spend time learning stuff …

      And the line “Ye nuw nuthin Jun Snuh” finally becomes fact.

      🙂

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    111. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Why should Brienne know who the Hound is? Did they ever met before their fight? I do not even remember if Hounds name was mentioned then. And if so why is this so important? In any case Brienne couldn’t know of Sansa’s and Sandor’s connection. And why does the show have to mention the whereabouts of the desserters of Stannis army, mainly Sellswords. Is it such an important information that adds to the understanding of what we have seen so far?

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    112. dothrakian raven:

      Why should Brienne know who the Hound is? Did they ever met before their fight? I do not even remember if Hounds name was mentioned then. And if so why is this so important? In any case Brienne couldn’t know of Sansa’s and Sandor’s connection. And why does the show have to mention the whereabouts of the desserters of Stannis army, mainly Sellswords. Is it such an important information that adds to the understanding of what we have seen so far?

      Here just for you at 2.25 min

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLUI6GxwNxk

      The Hound isn`t some random knight he is known troughout Westeros and yet Brienne only says to Sansa “she was with a man”.

      2.
      Well an ARMY wandering around the north is kind of a BIG thing when you are in the middle of a WAR.

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    113. Cameryn,

      The american audience is peanuts in comparison with the global both in terms of viewership and in terms of consumption of GOT products. They can bitch it as much as they want…

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    114. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      What are you talking about? She is not depressed, she is focused and serious and she wears no furs, it’s her red cape. She has to wear something anyway!

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    115. dothrakian raven: Why should Brienne know who the Hound is?

      Brienne might not, even though she spent a little time in KL when she went there with Jamie. But Pod certainly would, and he did tell her, I believe that the description Hot Pie provided of the man Arya was with sounded like the Hound, and he would have seen the Hound when Brienne confronted him. Remember, Pod was trained by Tyrion to be well versed in sigils, who belonged to what houses, who had alliances with each other and who had grievances with each other. Gathering and retaining such info would become second nature to him.

      It was curious to me, as well, why Brienne would say that Arya was with “a man” and not say the Hound specifically.

      BTW MODS : the format of this page on my laptop is still all messed up. It’s not like the pages used to be, with columns of info on either side. Now the page shows the remarks in one long column, and everything that would have been in the flanking columns now prints either beneath the remarks or immediately below the article. Makes for one looooong column of copy, especially when trying to scroll down to the remarks.

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    116. That last line reminds me of “From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
      A light from the shadows shall spring (…)”

      I’m curious what Jon’s first words will be. ‘Ghost’ is a good bet for the first one. Can’t wait for Mel’s reaction too.

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    117. AceFreezy:
      I’d like to see them dismantle the iron throne so they can make a bunch of Valyrian Steel weapons.

      Why do you think the iron throne is comprised of Valyrian Steel weapons?

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    118. Thronetender,

      It was curious to me, as well, why Brienne would say that Arya was with “a man” and not say the Hound specifically.

      I got the impression Brienne was shielding Sansa from the knowledge. I think Sansa actually would have been relieved to know it was the Hound and not some random man, but Brienne likely didn’t know that.

      I don’t remember. Does Brienne mention killing the man to Sansa?

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    119. Clob:
      Ohhh, so Peterson provided the translation.I saw it in an article on another site earlier this morning that said “Reddit fans translated it.”I was wondering how the hell can people translate it?Not just that but spell out the Valyrian words correctly.

      It was translated in foreign subtitles like in Finnish and it was translated back to English.

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    120. Hoyti Von Totiy: Here just for you at 2.25 min

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLUI6GxwNxk

      The Hound isn`t some random knight he is known troughout Westeros and yet Brienne only says to Sansa “she was with a man”.

      2.
      Well an ARMY wandering around the north is kind ofa BIG thing when you are in the middle ofa WAR.

      Sandor is a man though. She’s not lied in any way at all here, and the point she was making was that she seemed relatively safe and secure, which clearly reassured Sansa. I really don’t get what all the fuss is about.

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    121. FictionIsntReal,

      Our experience as the audience is similar to theirs: it’s just some mumbo jumbo by a foreign priest. In other instances with subtitles, at least one other character in the scene typically understands.

      Very good point. Its really like going to church or synagogue:most people don’t speak liturgical Hebrew or Latin, but they usually know the why of the prayer, and usually the tune sets the mood of it.

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    122. Brienne didn’t mention to Sansa that she killed the man.

      Brienne is trying to get to know Sansa. Sansa’s most recent company has been Littlefinger, the Boltons and Theon.

      It is just considering it from Brienne’s point of view.

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    123. Ser Not Appearing in this Series: That doesn’t make it Valyrian Steel. Wouldn’t it be called the Valyrian Steel Throne?

      you need not take offense to what I say. valyrian steel is forged with dragon fire and magic, and can be reworked by skilled smiths. the throne was made using balerion’s fire and was built by skilled smiths. they could very well rework the iron throne into Valyrian steel. But all of this is just what I want to see happen.

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    124. taim,

      Gosh, I didn’t realize TV Guide still existed. It was used on a daily basis at our house when I was a kid. Now I get most of my tv info on the net, or ‘gasp’ from the newspaper

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    125. In the new EW it says they kept the Jon rez a secret from even Obama…I thought he saw the episodes early?

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    126. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      1. Yes I saw it later going down the thread but still don’t understand why this became a big issue for some. She didn’t want to make things more complicated. Besides it was more than obvious even to Brienne that Arya wasn’t in danger by Sandor. The fight was not to defend Arya from a dangerous man, the fight was because she wanted to accomplice a mission wearing the wrong outfit and Sandor was suspicious of her intentions. So in her mind Sandor died after their brutal fight and Arya has escaped. I seriously can’t understand the fuss about it.

      2. Whose war? The Stannis war ended ingloriously and no other war has started as yet. The Sellswords could be anywhere. They could be different kind of Sellswords and not a homogenous fight unit, who in the end of the day split and went their way, wherever. But even if they are lurking somewhere waiting for a war to erupt that will make them rich and famous the plot development so far has not made this very detail an urgent point or a crucial detail without which we cannot understand what we are seeing. Therefore I do not understand the point of your question…

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    127. Okay so i had this crazy theory popping up in my mind…what if each time Mel said the same sentence another soul has entered Jon’s body? And what if those souls are the ones that died hours before his resurrection (Roose, Fat Walda, Balon and that guy in KL from the beginning of the episode whose head got crushed against a wall by the Mountain).

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    128. AceFreezy: you need not take offense to what I say. valyrian steel is forged with dragon fire and magic, and can be reworked by skilled smiths. the throne was made using balerion’s fire and was built by skilled smiths. they could very well rework the iron throne into Valyrian steel. But all of this is just what I want to see happen.

      OK but since Valyrian Steel was already rare, valuable and finite when the Iron Throne was made and – importantly -the secret of making it lost; I think that they would not waste it by locking it up in the Iron Throne, neither could they create it by chance.

      It’s just possible there may be some VS swords in there but it’s a strongly unproven theory.

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    129. Tycho Nestoris:
      From another EW story…

      Some castmembers didn’t believe Harington was departing at all. Ser Davos actor Liam Cunningham, for example, “told me to f— off from the start,” Harington says.

      Haha Davos is sea smart.

      I love that Liam couldn’t be fooled. Sophie on the other hand:

      “Sophie Turner, bless her, wrote me a really long letter about how much she loved working with me – and I still got it,” Harington says. “That made me chuckle.”

      Aww, poor Sophie got duped.

      Icekhione:

      I’m curious what Jon’s first words will be. ‘Ghost’ is a good bet for the first one. Can’t wait for Mel’s reaction too.

      I had the same thought. I would love it if Jon’s first word is “Ghost”. Makes sense since the direwolf if the only one in the room and is probably sniffing him and being all happy to see his buddy alive again. Would also be nice link/nod to Jon’s final word in ADWD.

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    130. Clob: When they ran into Arya, Pod told Brienne “That’s Sandor Clegane, The Hound,” after Sandor came out from taking a shit behind the rock.

      *sorry, was catching up with comments and didn’t notice it was replied to a couple of times already.

      The first reference may have been when Brienne and Pod were at the inn? On their way out, Hot Pie mentions that he didn’t know Sansa Stark but did her sister Arya. Said she was with this big fellow ‘with a foul mouth and a face like a half burnt ham’. Pod then realises its The Hound and Hot Pie confirms this. It around 3 minutes into this video:

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    131. BunBunStark: I love that Liam couldn’t be fooled. Sophie on the other hand:

      Aww, poor Sophie got duped.

      I had the same thought. I would love it if Jon’s first word is “Ghost”. Makes sense since the direwolf if the only one in the room and is probably sniffing him and being all happy to see his buddy alive again. Would also be nice link/nod to Jon’s final word in ADWD.

      That article is suspect because they say Obama didn’t even know….except Beinoff and Weiss are on record saying Obama got the episodes early.

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    132. Lord Stoneheart:
      Kit Hairyton,

      I was thinking maybe Lyanna could be the “Oathbreaker” since she was betrothed to Robert… but often there are multiple references to the title in many episodes.

      The fact that they gave Jon the LC title for all of Season 6 seems to confirm that he is staying Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch despite his death. So now we have even more evidence that Jon will be breaking an oath, perhaps one of many. Pink letter! Is it too soon to get the pink letter in the next episode with Ramsay just now getting his gift?

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    133. Tycho Nestoris:
      Thronetender,

      It was curious to me, as well, why Brienne would say that Arya was with “a man” and not say the Hound specifically.

      I got the impression Brienne was shielding Sansa from the knowledge. I think

      I don’t remember. Does Brienne mention killing the man to Sansa?

      She didn’t tell her, as mentioned, but maybe in upcoming scenes they’ll revisit the topic. This one was pretty short just to show that Sansa knows Arya is alive, but mostly for the separation from Theon.

      If Brienne does end up running into Elder Brother or Meribald, and more specifically the grave digger, it could come back up if Sansa is with her. I don’t think most expect Sansa will be with if Brienne does indeed head for House Tully though. Traveling there is when that would most likely happen.

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    134. Beth:
      I’m very interested in their use of “Lord Commander” as code for Jon. I was always hoping that once he was resurrected he would be released from the NW and would be able to go on to hold titles, fight his own wars, etc. Anyone think this means he will remain as the Lord Commander of the NW? Ifeel like that would be so limiting to his arc.

      Yes! I was quite surprised by this, too, but I’m sure we are going to see him break his vow for an episode or two, forsaking the Wall momentarily. But his ultimate hero’s journey will be in the War of the White Walkers, in the Long Night.

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    135. Does anyone else think that Jon will change after his resurrection?

      I am really curious about that. I hope he doesn’t drastically changes.

      Also, are we just getting the fighting part of Tower of Joy next week? I hope it’s not the only vision in the episode. I want to see one at the Tournament at Harrenhal, would be good character development for Lyanna as well. But I doubt they will though.

      I’m kind of thinking that they will show the whole Tower of Joy vision next episode.

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    136. Connor,

      There’s not enough time to show more than one flashback in the next episode,

      Screentime prediction (51 minutes) :

      The Wall – 10 minutes
      Bran – 9 minutes (Are they going to show the whole thing ?)
      King’s Landing – 9 minutes
      Daenerys – 6 minutes
      Winterfell – 6 minutes
      Meereen – 6 minutes
      Arya – 3 minutes
      Sam – 2 minutes

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    137. Connor:
      Does anyone else think that Jon will change after his resurrection?

      I am really curious about that. I hope he doesn’t drastically changes.

      George has almost outright said that this sort of resurrection changes you – or at least said that he wanted to show how it changed the other two book characters that the Lord of Light brings back. There are books spoilers here, but I am 99% certain we won’t see the spoiler in the TV series.

      Lady Stoneheart is not Cateyln. I’ve tried to set it up beforehand with Beric Dondarrion and his repeated [resurrections]. There’s a brief appearance by Beric in Book One and he rides into the city and he’s this flamboyant Southern knight. That’s not that man we meet later on.

      http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/31/game-thrones-lady-stoneheart

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    138. Kit Hairyton,

      I think you could be right, screencap or not. Check the very bottom left corner of this picture (ignore the obvious joke :)) http://postimg.org/image/exdib3xk1/ and then check this picture. http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/e54p7dj6dun95rg2h8h1.jpg

      I reckon that is Sansa’s green cape in the bottom corner meaning that she not only makes it to Castle Black but it looks like she leaves on horseback with and Mel and others. Maybe to ride to Winterfell?

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    139. Kit Hairyton: Get his bearings; deal with Thorne and the other traitors; welcome Sansa, Brienne & Pod to Castle Black; Meet with Ramsay who tells him, “Winterfell is mine…come and see”. That’s just for starters.

      I thought BriPod were going to the

      Riverlands

      ?

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    140. Did they really have to shove Arya in every episodes ? A montage of her training would have been way better.

      I don’t see the point of showing her 2 minutes each week.

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    141. Pounce:
      Did they really have to shove Arya in every episodes ? A montage of her training would have been way better.

      I don’t see the point of showing her 2 minutes each week.

      Maisie did say Aryan is in fewer episodes this season. Probably won’t see her again for a while after “Oathbreaker”.

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    142. Pounce:
      Connor,

      There’s not enough time to show more than one flashback in the next episode,

      Screentime prediction (51 minutes) :

      The Wall – 10 minutes
      Bran – 9 minutes (Are they going to show the whole thing ?)
      King’s Landing – 9 minutes
      Daenerys – 6 minutes
      Winterfell – 6 minutes
      Meereen – 6 minutes
      Arya – 3 minutes
      Sam – 2 minutes

      I think we have to catch up with LF soon.

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    143. Dutch Maester,

      Seriously! Thanks man! I’m so stoked! I’m gonna have to find a different poster name. Maybe ‘Nimbledickcrabbintheshowplease!’. Just kidding though 🙂

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    144. Connor,

      Another thought on Jon. I think the key to his story will be his holding on to his humanity. That means not reeking vengeance but building the realms of men to fight those of death. Like dondarrion I expect him to die again and every time he rises it will be a struggle to hold on to what makes Jon a good man and leader.

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    145. Simon:
      Connor,

      I expect him to be lost but Sansa appearing will help him find himself.

      Wow, good point! That would be awesome to see and I hope that is how it turns out next episode.

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    146. Dutch Maester,

      All I ever wanted to talk about here was the Damphair. Not really, but I talk about him a lot, and people don’t seem to care about him. Anyway, I rewatched the scene after you told me that he is oficially The Damphair. I can see it more clearly now. He even has his Drowned Men behind him, helping him with the funeral. They are dressed the same way as he is. I don’t know Brian Feast at all, but I think he made a good impression. He was harsh and stoic, unrelenting with a holy touch. Also, he doesn’t have coal-black hair as the damphair from the book, but the white hair and beard actually really serves the character… look at him! He embodies the damphair. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/d/d2/602_Aeron_Greyjoy_Promo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20160502061405 Visually, it’s a really great casting. I’m a happy man!

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    147. Connor: Wow, good point! That would be awesome to see and I hope that is how it turns out next episode.

      I hope we don’t get amnesiac Jon for too long though.

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    148. Jack Bauer 24,

      I’d say the arrival of the pink-ish letter will get him acting quickly with its threats to kith and kin. It won’t be easy for either side to get to each other with the snows and distance between winter fell and castle black so this will be a slow build to the battle of the bastards. Equally gods know how Sansa will be able to get bear island raise an army and be back in time though with the same weather conditions and winter seas. Perhaps Davis will pull off some magic sailing with good winds called up by Mel.

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    149. Jack Bauer 24,

      Sansa will send a Raven calling on the Vale, while Brienne will go to Riverrun to enlist Jamie and the Blaxkfish – with mixed success but the seeds planted. Having served in the Vale for many years and having loyal friends Black Fish will be key to taking it back from Little Finger. I expect a speech from Sansa that mirrors her mothers when she took Tyrion prisoner, only this time getting it right.

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    150. Ginevra: George has almost outright said that this sort of resurrection changes you – or at least said that he wanted to show how it changed the other two book characters that the Lord of Light brings back.

      Well, the whole experience has to change Jon. But, then, Daeny’s experience and Tyrion’s experience and Arya’s experience and so forth’s and so on’s experiences have to change them, too.

      However, Jon cannot metamorphose into something completely different: he still has to be Jon. After all, it is character evolution, not character transmogrification, that creates stories!

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    151. Jack Bauer 24: I hope we don’t get amnesiac Jon for too long though.

      I would expect about one episode of Wonky Jon. That is pretty typical when TV shows have characters go through something like this. Probably the best comparison would be the first Doctor Who episode with a new Doctor: he’s always a bit messed up for that story, but pulls himself together in the end.

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    152. Connor:
      Does anyone else think that Jon will change after his resurrection?

      I am really curious about that. I hope he doesn’t drastically changes.

      Also, are we just getting the fighting part of Tower of Joy next week? I hope it’s not the only vision in the episode. I want to see one at the Tournament at Harrenhal, would be good character development for Lyanna as well. But I doubt they will though.

      I’m kind of thinking that they will show the whole Tower of Joy vision next episode.

      I would find it good if he does change a little bit, that he gets more ruthless. Like I think lot of people just would like to see him executing the nightswatch traitor.

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    153. Damphairintheshowplease!:
      Dutch Maester,

      All I ever wanted to talk about here was the Damphair. Not really, but I talk about him a lot, and people don’t seem to care about him. Anyway, I rewatched the scene after you told me that he is oficially The Damphair. I can see it more clearly now. He even has his Drowned Men behind him, helping him with the funeral. They are dressed the same way as he is. I don’t know Brian Feast at all, but I think he made a good impression. He was harsh and stoic, unrelenting with a holy touch. Also, he doesn’t have coal-black hair as the damphair from the book, but the white hair and beard actually really serves the character… look at him! He embodies the damphair. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/d/d2/602_Aeron_Greyjoy_Promo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20160502061405 Visually, it’s a really great casting. I’m a happy man!

      I am glad he finally showed up for you. I know you have been waiting for this.

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    154. taim: I would find it good if he does change a little bit, that he gets more ruthless. Like I think lot of people just would like to see him executing the nightswatch traitor.

      But that could have negative results in the long run. Jon needs everyone on board with resisting the White Walkers. Jon “owns” the Wildlings because he saved their lives at Hardhome. Jon might “own” the Nationalists just as much if he spares them rather than takes revenge on them.

      The Wildlings referred to Jon as King Crow: I cannot help but to feel that this is foreshadowing something related to this, and that we might see it soon.

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    155. Damphairintheshowplease!:
      Dutch Maester,

      All I ever wanted to talk about here was the Damphair. Not really, but I talk about him a lot, and people don’t seem to care about him. Anyway, I rewatched the scene after you told me that he is oficially The Damphair. I can see it more clearly now. He even has his Drowned Men behind him, helping him with the funeral. They are dressed the same way as he is. I don’t know Brian Feast at all, but I think he made a good impression. He was harsh and stoic, unrelenting with a holy touch. Also, he doesn’t have coal-black hair as the damphair from the book, but the white hair and beard actually really serves the character… look at him! He embodies the damphair. http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/d/d2/602_Aeron_Greyjoy_Promo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/270?cb=20160502061405 Visually, it’s a really great casting. I’m a happy man!

      Isn’t it Michael Feast?

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    156. newbietothegame,

      Thanks! 🙂 I really am very thankful that they included him. I never expected they would. Hope that means, he becomes more important in Winds, but still I just always loved that Balon had a brother who was a priest of the drowned god. I thinks that’s a nice touch.

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    157. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Wasn’t Stannis’ army largely made up of sellswords? Regardless, the ones who abandoned ship probably just went home; I can’t imagine they would just hang out in the North, and there’s really no reason to pay any more attention to them.
      I suppose we could still see a vision of Ned, Robert, and Hodor… I mean, why not? I wouldn’t be surprised to see Bran getting distracted by visits to his family’s past.

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    158. Hoyti Von Totiy:
      Damn sunday cannot come fast enough. I woke up monday to find this site hyped up.

      The only thing i had envisioned (for the books also) is Jaquen (him being all knowing and all powerfull) telling Arya of Jon`s death to see if she will react to it or is she really noone.
      The fact Jon has died has not left Castle Black in the tv show it seeems.

      Brienne didn´t say it was Sandor with Arya to Sansa… i find that lame because the Hound cannot be some random pearson for Brienne to leave him out and reduce him to “some guy”.

      Cersei being all motherly bothers me, i find the book Cersei more starightfoward.
      Also did Jamie not ask himself why she had her walk? Where is Lancel?

      I agree with most of the members of this site that if it was Roose who killed Ramsay would be more fitting and shocking.But i must say i find Iwan´s interpretation of Ramsey excelent this season.

      Theon … is going back to Pyke for the kingsmoot where he will most likely be killed by Euron by drowning him in a barrel.

      Where is half of Stannis´s army that got away after the Shieen burning? No mention of them.

      Lord Karstark saying “its time for new blood” made me think of Jon giving wildlingsBoltons bannermens lands once he defeats them… I so wish they would incluse Alys Karstark in the TV show.She and what Jon arranges for her shows his diplomatic ability and the posibility of the unification of the wildlings and the northerners rather and mending old wounds Robb left behind.

      Hodor —> stable boy—> hold the door —> the stable door will kick him? The 3 children in Brans vision were Ned, Benjen and Lyanna so that means all the reports of us seing yound Ned, Robert and Hodor fighting in the yard are false?

      THERE IS NO DORNE IN THE SHOW ANYMORE; THANK THE LORD OF LIGHT!!!!!

      Lancel should be appearing soon unless his scene with Cersei from the trailer is later.

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    159. Is it possible that the LC in the script is short for

      Lord Coldheart? If Lady Stoneheart is cut, could that be Snow’s new identity if he assumes her role in the books?

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    160. Mihnea: But even that wouldn’t revive Jon, at most it would keep his mind safe, but warging alone won’t bring his body back.

      Warging at death doesn’t even do that in the books. The human mind is lost for the most part: only a remnant persists. There are a couple of cases where one warg touches the mind of an animal carrying the remnant of a deceased warg: some of the emotions can be felt, but that is it.

      winter is here: she didn’t see how Thoros resurrected Beric, she’s probably just giving it her best guess at what’s required.

      She pretty clearly was going through a known ritual: the washing and the burning of the hair, etc. Interestingly, it was much more elaborate than what Thoros seemed to do. However, Mel seems to be extremely knowledgable about how to invoke R’hllor’s powers, and as we have seen, she has had a lot of time to accumulate that knowledge. Still, all it really seems to take is asking R’hllor and having it say yes for whatever reason.

      I suppose one might ask if it always takes that long for a revived dead man to snap back. However, the answer to that obviously has nothing to do with magical lore: it would have been awful TV (or a hugely wasted opportunity at best) if Jon had just snapped back to life immediately. It’s always that last ditch CPR effort, or a moment after the doctor says that the drug should have taken effect by now, etc., when it finally works. It obviously is a corollary to the rule that James Bond defuse the bomb or the Doctor ends enters the code to save the world just before the proverbial buzzer goes off. (Or how the winning point is always scored just as the literal buzzer goes off.)

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    161. yeah, I was mainly just responding to the question about the inconsistency between the two resurrections, you’re right in that mel clearly had some knowledge of the ritual

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    162. winter is here: I was mainly just responding to the question about the inconsistency between the two resurrections, you’re right in that mel clearly had some knowledge of the ritual

      But how different were the words that Mel uses from those that Thoros used? He basically was beseeching R’hllor to send this man back: and that is what Mel was doing in Valyrian. One common tradition in stories is for magical rituals themselves to prove to be largely unnecessary: at some point, someone learns that the thoughts, intents, etc., are what actually are important, and that the motions, incense, etc., are not really relevant. So, it could well be that the ritual that Mel learned includes everything that needs to be done plus a lot of hocus pokus. After a while, people would not know what part was important and what was not.

      (Indeed, I wonder if the part that worked was “please.”)

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    163. Isabelle,
      I posted this yesterday because I thought it was interesting as well. At first I was like ah shit so no payback to the guy who’s been a literal Thorn in Jon’s side and savagely murder him. Oh well, makes me think he must also forgive the little shit Olly too then. I just want him to get some kind of retribution, hope he keep them in the cells for a couple months.

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    164. Jared,

      Totally. Not to mention she’s washing him and he’s supposed to be utterly still. I’d think most men would need monk-level meditation training to stay unresponsive for that long. And she really is a gorgeous woman (don’t forget she isn’t REALLY an old woman in real life – haha).

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    165. ygitte,

      When we met Benjen Stark he dad black hair.In the flashback has lighter hair like Lianna,the color of theyr hair changed probably to black with age..

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    166. winter is here,

      Yes,but the ceremony is different from what Thoros did.Thoros resurected Beric seconds later after his death with normal prey to Lord of light:Jon stood death for hours,this is why the ritual is different 🙂

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    167. Ser Not Appearing in this Series,

      perhaps the secret of making the steel isn’t lost and the smiths that can make it are in hiding from the rest of the world? again speculation but not entirely impossible, I mean we do have dragons in this story. Anything can happen.

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    168. AceFreezy: again speculation but not entirely impossible, I mean we do have dragons in this story. Anything can happen.

      Not if it is going to be decent storytelling! When Anything Happens, then people blast a story for Deus Ex Machina and Plot Holes. At this point, the show and the books should have set up the main plot devices and the primary foils. If it has not been set up, then expect that it will not be there.

      Moreover, this is not Lord of the Rings. This is not going to be about tossing some figurative ring into the fire: instead, it’s going to be about one Damned-if-you-do option vs. other Damned-if-you-do options. Letting the Wildlings into Westeros despite it being treason, letting the Meerenese have their “blood sport” back, etc., all are going to be small analogs of the conclusion.

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    169. White Walkers: Am I the only person who is not happy with the death of Balon Greyjoy?

      No, there is one other person, but he hates everything.

      aldeatcu: When we met Benjen Stark he dad black hair.In the flashback has lighter hair like Lianna,the color of theyr hair changed probably to black with age..

      Ned and Lyanna (like Arya and Jon) had dark brown hair, which this young lady also did. However, dark brown hair bleaches in sunlight to blonder shades: and Lyanna was not one to spend time in the towers doing stitching! I did not catch the highlights, but if they were there, then that was a very good attention to detail by the crew.

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    170. Wimsey,

      well it already has decent story telling and them tearing down the iron throne would not hinder it in anyway shape or form. it could be a realization before the white walkers get to KL such as “we don’t have anything to fend them off” and then someone who has knowledge of the thrones history would then mention balerion’s fire being used to make it. but it would be put more eloquently and thought out. I feel it would be poetic if they dismantled the throne to save the realm. the one thing ruling everyone would actually be put to use practically. but that’s just my point of view.

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    171. Mihnea: Next weeks outrage among the hardcore book fandom will again be insufferable… Ugh..

      I’m not sure it can be more insufferable than your never-ending outrage about book readers’s outrage (even when said outrage hasn’t even happened yet).

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    172. Kit Hairyton:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      First thing’s first, she’s definitely taking Sansa to Castle Black. That’s pretty much the only place they can go, and since they don’t know anything about mutinies, white walkers or wildlings, they’re gonna assume it’s a safe place. They don’t have information us viewers do, which is kinda worrying if it leads to a semi-comical exchange along the lines of…

      Sansa: Hi, Jon. How you been?

      Jon: Me? Oh, I just died and came back to life is all.

      Ooo, what if Team Sansa get jetpacks and arrive at Castle Black before we discover Jon is alive? That might be interesting: I’m so sorry but your brother’s dead. Come see. Wait. Where did we put that dead Jon Snow?

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    173. ANiceChianti:
      Hoyti Von Totiy,

      Brienne has no idea that Oathkeeper was forged from Ice.

      Actually Jamie said something when he gave Brienne Oathkeeper – it being forged from Ned Starks sword to protect Ned Starks daughters.

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    174. aldeatcu:
      ygitte,

      When we met Benjen Stark he dad black hair.In the flashback has lighter hair like Lianna,the color of theyr hair changed probably to black with age..

      When I was a baby I had pale blond hair, towhead, now i am much older and much darker blond almost brown. Happens.

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    175. AceFreezy: well it already has decent story telling

      Yes, it does have decent storytelling: but that is because they don’t make big deals of things without them providing some payoff, and they don’t have payoffs come from things about which they did not make some big deal earlier. Ultimately, it is going to come down to options that Jon, Daeny, etc., really do not like: and going for the least awful solution. After all, that is what these stories always are.

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    176. Mrs. Kingslayer,

      Same with my brothers. It turned darker by the time they were 10 though. I wasn’t expecting the caramel blonde highlights for Lyanna. Mine’s always been brown and even after being in the sun all summer it might turn a shade or two lighter but never blonde streaks.

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    177. Wimsey,

      they don’t always have to make a big deal about things earlier in the show. is there no sense of mystery anymore? just because they didn’t say anything in the first two seasons, does it mean they can’t do new things? and there would be indeed a big pay off if they were equipped with Valyrian steel from the iron throne, it would be a much better battle. And the one thing everyone is fighting for (the iron throne) would become a much smaller picture in the grand scheme of things.

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