HBO Spain has released a new video on Facebook to promote Game of Thrones. Yesterday, they went out to the streets of Madrid and showed off exclusive footage from the upcoming seventh season to passers-by. We may not be as lucky as they were, but through the promotional video of the event we get a glimpse of what they saw: characters old and new, new settings, and no less than three battle scenes too!
We can see moments from the three big battles this season, a new maester character in the Citadel, Daenerys getting to know Dragonstone, the Mountain unshielding his massive sword, King Jon Snow addressing the Northern Lords, Brienne and Podrick sparring (presumably in friendly terms), Jaime riding to battle, and more!
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Was that Brienne training Pod???
HOLD THE DOOR!
Close the door! CLODOR! CLODOR!
Brian,
Yeah it was, she tripped him over too
There is just so much here to get pumped about
I am looking forward to the breakdown videos 🙂
Why would Daenerys be going underground with a torch? Looks like Dragonstone based on the rock formations around her.
LEAKS:
It seems whenever we get something new from GOT another leak is confirmed lol
Second trailer is comingggggg!!! Maybe this weekend, but next week 100% i say.
Yay! Some more Pod – he has been sadly missing from most of the promotional material we’ve had thus far. Love the scene with him and Brienne. They seem to be back in Winterfell here.
Daenerys exploring Dragonstone is amazing – we didn’t see that much of the castle when Stannis held it, other than a few chambers, the dungeons and the room with the map table.
I can’t wait to see the scenes at the Citadel, and I hope we get A LOT more of Sam in season seven than we did in season six.
I wonder if the line we get from Jon is from the big scene included in the BtS video and the trailer set in the Great Hall at Winterfell? It reminds me a lot of the speech he gave at Hardhome.
Mel,
Lol yeah it looks like he was right about everything. I don’t doubt him anymore.
JOOOOOOOON, CITADEL!!!!! Arya teasing me with her promises…I see what you did there girl 😛 .
I need some footage of my son Bran though. HURRY UP TRAILER!
I noticed the quick glimpse of the Night King, not from the footage but prior to it. I cannot recall that footage from previous seasons, meaning that seems a special filming for this street exhibit. While I concede that you cannot tell in a definitive manner from such quick and dark footage, it does seem to me that unless they did extensive work to change his season 6 appearance that individual doesn’t resemble Valdimir Furdik to me. Like others, I noticed the promo poster they created featuring The Night King resembles Richard Brake’s version rather than Furdik’s season 6 one. While no evidence exists that Brake has reprised the role, I now wonder if a 3rd actor will portray The Night King in season 7, one that resembles Brake more than Furdik.
It seems Brienne’s descent into dishonor will never cease. Tripping someone during sparring practice ? That’s some Bronn behavior right there.
Ooh, blood and fire…interesting.
Rory hamming for the camera. 😂
Those people being so giddy makes me happy.
Markus Stark,
She probably spars like she fights for real. That is to say that she does pretty much whatever to get the upper hand… including biting of course.
I’m also looking forward to a specific leak scene and hope it’s actually in it.
Woohoo! Pod sparring Brenne, healthy Hodor, Broadbent, Jon saying something new along the ussual lines, a glimpse of Ned, a happy HOund–and Arya asking us to promise.
BRING IT ON!
That grainy footage of 4 men fighting definitely looks like fighting on a ship deck. FIGHTING. ON. A. SHIP.
I hope they aren’t setting up the Brienne-Pod relationship just to make us more sad when one of them dies. Then again, that’s kind of the point.
orange,
Looks like Furdik to me, to be honest.
Same. If that footage is from this year, I think we now have our answer on who the NK is being played by.
And with Hodor in another promo, I wonder if we will see him this season.
Oh Christ!
i like it all except that training fight between briene and podrick, i hope is a scene with like 20 seconds, i dont want to spend the precious time of got with training scenes of podrick, like…really.
Ser Tripod,
its a ship and its no 4 men, one of them is yara.
Ser Tripod,
It’s too grainy to tell but I’ve seen it suggested that the two people furthest from us (ie closest to the white screens) are Yara (left) and Theon.
Brienne is teaching Pod amazing fighting so they can both live to the very end of the story and dodge anything that comes their way. I demand it!!
Edit: I see Aguero had the same idea.
So excited!
Aguero,
Lulus Mum,
oh true, i never noticed him in the trailer.
Yes Love it!!All that footage of Dany and her army against the Lannisters Robert Baratheon must be rolling in his grave lol.Then again he probably has been rolling in his grave since season one.I need more Jon shots I know his story is super spoilery this season but I still need it.Every speech of Jons in season 7 seven reminds of High School Musical’s All in this together.I get you boo I get you.
Aguero,
Doesn’t see any vid, can somebody make some mirror?
wun wun,
Here is a Youtube version of mine. It’s just the relevant clips, the footage 🙂
That lannister banner made My heart drop! IT seemed with the recent footage of burning Lannister soldiers that the rediculous reign of the Lannisters is over ( even if legitimately it never really begun!) but now the banner being draped reminiscent of the stark banner at winterfell after battle of the bastards it seems they are really dragging this cercei queef/n thing.. she has no no place on the iron throne, not for long anyway. I mean so she has her own super eight, the mountain.. how long is that goon going to hold off the horde?!?
OT: To the NCW fans!
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/shot-caller-review-1014583
Golds,
*super wight
Is that NK footage from S7?
One little glimpse of Melisandre so far, didn’t see her in this , did I?
GoT YT channel has another private video posted…
Mel,
The mountain drawing his sword means only one thing, horrible death for Elaria Sand..:-p PS: I bet he cuts her in half like he did with Oberin’s sister!
is NED in the first scene? Is it a flashback? OMG!!!
Either as a big, blue-eyed wight, or in a Bran flash-back. Poor big man, he’s WW fodder now.
I can never catch all the scenes. I hope somebody does a recap quickly. Somebody upthread thought they saw Ned. I watched several times and still missed a lot of stuff. Frame by Frame, somebody? Please?
I dont know, I guess I am denial, but I just don’t believe those specific script pages that were published by Lads2.
Markus Stark,
If he doesn’t learn how to fight dirty, he’ll have a far smaller chance of surviving. The only rule in real combat is “Stay alive.”
Seriously, can we talk about that cup with blood and fire?????
To me, it looked more like Brienne kicked Pod, rather than tripped him.
Pigeon,
I thought it was wax.
Boudica,
Rafaela,
It looks like a flashback from season 1 episode 3 “Lord Snow”, but I could be wrong.
Jenny,
The script could have also gone through several re-writes
Best photo of the latest releases by far:
http://imgur.com/a/7LRx6
Pigeon,
I thought it was wax too ..probably ravens and letters are being readied at Dragosntone to inform westeros that the Dragons have returned
I don’t want to make luka overwork but I would like to see a breakdown analysis of this video …whose hand is that brushing the westeros table ..dany’s or Mel’s
About 3 seconds into the video someone is leaving the North side of the Wall. Who is it?
Mr Derp,
I looks like Hodor carrying a younger Bran.
Just before this you can spot the Ned flashback. It’s the scene where Ned walks into the throne room to see Jamie sitting at the foot of the iron throne.
ramses,
Yea, I caught the Ned scene from episode 3 in the video, but wasn’t sure about the Wall shot. I think you’re right, it’s most likely Hodor carrying Bran.
Maybe these two flashbacks have significance? Or HBO Spain marketing team threw together a bunch of random shots of doors/gates opening to begin their promo.
I watched it at 1/4 speed… It’s definitely Daenerys’ hand. You can see that ring she wears on her index finger. I would guess it’s a scene when she first walks into that room, brushing the table as she explores.
ramses,
To me it looks like a juxtaposition of what the Throne room looked like when we first saw it vs. what it looks like now.
Not sure about the Wall door though. Either way, lots of doors opening in the first few seconds of the video.
I think you’re right, probably being melted down to use as a letter seal. Darn, got all excited there for a minute. 😜
I think you’re right, probably being melted down to use as a letter seal. Darn, got all excited there for a minute. 😜
Also, I’ll gladly eat breakfast every morning with (a restrained) wight Hodor for the rest of my life if it means I never have to see a wighted Summer. 😀
The quick shot of Broadbent is for either episode 2 or 3. It says on the clapperboard that Mylod is directing the scene.
Clob,
Thanks for that …I know its obvious it should be dany’s but we have to be sure right ..
I think the glimpse of Ned from behind is him walking into the Red Keep right after Jamie has killed the Mad King. If you stop the clip just as the doors open you can glimpse what to me looks like Jamie in his white kingsguard uniform/armour. Hopefully one of Bran’s memories from the past.
ramses,
Flayed Potatoes,
I took a pic of my screen, then enhanced it. I don’t think that necessarily has to be a younger Bran.
MeeraReed,
It’s a scene from S6 ep2 when he goes outside of the cave and talks to depressed Meera.
Snow,
Cheers. I just don’t want Hodor to be a wight. If he has to be a wight, I want him controlled by Bran at all times. 😀
How do you say “Goosebumps” in Spanish? I can’t even imagine how exciting it must have been to see this in situ.
keltia,
Carne de gallina. Hen skin. Same idea, basically 🙂
Luka Nieto,
Thanks for that, I kept getting distracted by the over excited fans…..I slowed it way down, great to see all the characters in the great hall, and I finally see little john umber. Love seeing Brieene and Pod sparring Love Emilia hamming it up for the camera, Maisie smiling. Who is Greyworm with?
Thronetender,
Do what I learned to do – click on the settings gear, and turn down the speed all the way to 5. You can also click hold so you can get a better look
LoonyLuna78,
I think that was a clip from season 1 when Ned was on his way to his first Small Council meeting.
I like the way Arya says ”Promise?” just like Lyanna.
dragonbringer,
Lads2 said Jon and Dany go in a cave at Dragonstone together EP4 I believe, in the cave are drawings made by Children Of The Forest of the White Walkers, how people have to unite together to defeat them. Also that swirling drawing that is the mark of the WW we’ve seen before is there as well. Dany it seems after seeing that and having Jon tell the story of the drawings to her leans more towards him telling the truth about the WW
Excuse me, total newbie here, but no one has commented that the walls of the cave Dany enters at the top seem to be full of layers and layers and layers of lovely lovely dragon glass.
Back to lurking….
Roheryn,
Yep, noticed that. As rumored, Dragonstone is full of dragonglass. Still seems like it would be an ‘overkill’ amount of necessary dragonglass for the assumed number of WW. You know, considering it isn’t a necessity for eliminating wights…
Mel,
Ah its a good thing i didnt speculate what dany is doing there …i was thinking that she will find her mother’s crown or valyrian sword there.
I do hope its dany aho takes him to the cave and jon taking dany ..because its one thing to tell the story after seeing paintings and another to already know of such painitings in dragonstone
dragonbringer,
Mel,
Oh yes iam sure she hadn’t been there before ..
But I also don’t think its a common knowledge of there existing caves with children paintings at dragonstone so Jon shouldn’t know about it too and it will be his first time too..infact he will be seeing children for first time ..
Its a good start but will not be that convincing because people know they once existed as their history tells but they need proof of them existing now ..it will be good though Jon speaking about them to dany ..
Roheryn,
Welcome!
We’ve discussed this in other recent threads, and yes, we’re very excited about it!
Mel,
Leak talk:
Jenny,
Leaks:
I am curious,
Aguero,
He is pretty boring
no offense to the Pod fans.
ghost of winterfell,
Leaks
Clob,
so true…
because to our knowledge, there isn’t that many white walkers.
Jenny,
Leaks
Of course, we don’t how the whole scene will play. Maybe somebody will say something that will force his hand and the whole thing will make sense, let’s see.
I don’t have a problem with Jon kneeling to Dany per se, so long as the character motivations make sense, which doesn’t seem like based on the leaks.
ghost of winterfell,
leaks
The private pledging I don’t mind, but the dragon pit one sounds like character assassination when Jon has been working to get people to fight WW together for multiple seasons (and based on the leaks he’s trying to get Dany and Cersei to stop fighting each other, so pledging to one side when he’s supposed to be neutral makes no sense). It undermines Jon’s entire character development.
I see no point in this turn of events and I’ve yet to see someone convincingly explain why him pledging at the dragonpit is supposed to accomplish plot-wise. What exactly is D&D’s aim here besides more Dany pandering? I wish someone would explain this to me like I’m Hot Pie lmao. What’s the goal here?
ghost of winterfell,
leaks
elybe,
To be honest, the leaks from that Lads person make Cersei sound like a boss: pays off the Iron Bank, opens a new line of credit to allegedly get the Golden Company, allies with Euron and defeats Dany’s allies, makes Dany send her Unsullied for Casterly Rock on a wild goose chase. I love Cersei so I might be biased, but damn she’s totally earned her throne lmao.
Flayed Potatoes,
elybe,
Okay thank you for this.You always put it much better than I do.Don’t disappear on me when the season starts.
Flayed Potatoes,
I still wonder…
Clob,
I know right?
leaks
Did the Lannisters escape with the riches? How could they do that if Dany is the victor and burns the Tarlys? Does Dany not win? This doesn’t make sense.
Flayed Potatoes,
Hope they are answered… I doubt the leaks are completely correct
Jenny,
er, why is any of that in spoilers?
At any rate, these are common criticisms that fans often levy at shows & books. You are correct, though: character making mistakes ≠ plot holes. If so, then WWI was a litany of plot holes: but one difference between story and history is that history cannot have plotholes.
We also cannot consider things such as people refusing to act on things that they do not think are true to be plotholes. For example, if the southerners do not respond to “the White Walkers are coming” then it is not a plot hole. Indeed, it would be closer to the opposite: it’s never figured in the plot, but we know that the southerners think that White Walkers are mythical things. For them to take these claims seriously would be like us taking a Leprechaun invasion seriously.
(One need only look at the extremes to which science deniers to to deny climate change, evolution, etc., to see what real people do; we want fictional characters to behave in the same way.)
elybe,
Ditto this for spoilers. As for Jon explaining Mance, no, that was not bad writing. Real people would do the same thing: and, for good or for ill, one thing people do to project leadership is not explain themselves. That is called “making excuses.” Now, if other people want to explain that Jon actually euthanized Mance rather than murdered him, then that’s great. However, if Jon wants the Wildlings respect, then he has to own the deed in its most basic form. Otherwise, he is backing down, and the whole thing is lost.
We need to keep in mind that this is, fundamentally, a political drama as well as a character drama. (Yes, I realize that is tautological to some extent: but this involves mass politics as well as personal politics.) This means that we cannot have “idealized” politics where everyone behaves rationally: that might be nice for a story set on Vulcan, but not for one that involves humans. We need realistic and thus very irrational politics. That means that we need to see short-sightedness. We need to see people rejecting possibilities that they do not want to be true. We need to see people putting their self-interests over other people’s self-interests. I.e., we need to see everything that we see in D.C., London, Brussels, Moscow, Beijing, etc., all the time. Otherwise, we might just as well be watching Lord of the Rings again: and although that’s one of my favorite movies, I don’t need to see it again!
Discussing events that we don’t know full details lead to this ..
Some people just can’t see where the story is leading and how its being set up …funnily enough those who should be last to whine about favoritism is the one that is loudest ..
I want to see what its about The scripts of BOTb that proves exactly they don’t favor Jon but dany ..instead of keep saying the scripts why can’t we provide the quotes that actually show bias towards dany and against jon
lol, here we go again…Wahhhhhhh, my favorite character isn’t being given all the attention wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
dragonbringer,
Then tell us where the story is headed oh wise one since you know so much. I’ve asked what the purpose is and so far I’ve seen no reply. Just you posting passive aggressive remarks instead of just directly replying.
HelloThere,
I swear if Euron says next season that he just built 1000 ships on his islands with no trees I’ll laugh and groan at the same time. No idea how that might sound like lol.
This, too, is a common syndrome in fandoms. There actually were Harry Potter fans who complained that the final book was poorly written because in the end you could have seen where it was all going all along. In the normal universe, this is called “good storytelling”: but some Harry Potter fans genuinely wanted an ending that would make sense only to people who basically studied the books and got hung up on small details. (Small details that, I might add, almost always were augmented heavily by readers’ imaginations, nor Rowlings! 😀 )
So far, we’ve gotten six stories that deal with various aspects of “damned if you do/damned if you don’t.” This just should be a small tipoff as to where it is going…..
Flayed Potatoes,
Er, why cannot they get trees from elsewhere? And why do we think that the Iron Islands have no trees? They are not small, after all. (And why was any of that in spoilers?)
Flayed Potatoes,
He will most likely just have a fleet w/ no explanation as to how he got it, and I kinda hope its that way because I don’t need to revisit the kingsmoot scene, lol.
Wimsey,
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/12101/production/_88658937_f88cf669-96a1-45b3-82d1-cfdaa5d19128.jpg
I have yet to see those trees in the locations used by the show. 😛 The Iron Islands in general don’t seem to have many natural resources, hence all the pillaging.
I suppose they could, but from where? I don’t expect to get this answer on the show though. 😛
Flayed Potatoes,
The show has never stated the iron islands have no trees, so I don’t see this being an issue in show canon
I am not an expert in Shipbuilding, but wouldn’t making 1000 ships be an………ordeal, lol….
oh well… imma just go w/ it.
HelloThere,
Euron fits the Spongebob meme so well though. 😛
WhErE aRe My NiEcE aNd NePhEw? LeT’s Go MuRdEr ThEm!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C_eKLH4XoAArEHO.jpg
Few trees from descriptions. The descriptions match the name, Iron Islands. They’re said to be small, rocky islands. They aren’t fertile lands, they are bashed by storms repeatedly and are more suitable for only livestock grazing. Some of the islands aren’t even lived on as they’re inhabitable. Wooded and fertile land would be lived on. They could ‘snipe’ trees from Westeros and transport to the islands so gathering wood is a possibility…. However, the main issue is TIME. We’re talking about building 1,000 ships in a time span that would be ridiculous. While there isn’t a stated time that’s passed it should be no more than six months.
Flayed Potatoes,
I miss when the show took tertiary book characters (like Olenna, Margaery, and Oberyn), and made them infinitely more awesome than their book counterparts…..
But Euron is salvageable IMO… or at least I hope.
HelloThere,
It would take a lot of time. I’m assuming Dany’s trip to Westeros would take about half a year?? Even if we’re being generous and giving Euron one year to build his ships, I don’t think one can build 1000 of them in such a brief amount of time.
HelloThere,
I love what they did with Margaery. I miss her and her ugly wigs 🙁
elybe,
Leaks:
I normally don’t pay any attention to the complaining at freefolk. I don’t even visit there anymore. But I couldn’t come up with nor did I see anyone else come up with any reasonable explanation for Jon’s actions here. Besides, Lads himself made it sound like Jon was making a mistake here.
They could have him throw himself off a cliff in a cold open this season and I wouldn’t care. Actually, I’d be rather pleased.
Just a few line changes in the kingsmoot would’ve made things infinitely better.
First, change 1000 ships to just “build me a new fleet”
and remove that line “Lets go kill ’em”, because that was cringe city…
and also, remove any references to Eurons “big cock”
I did that whole sailing trip post a few weeks back with estimated distances of ASoIaF world compared to our own ships in history. It started with our 18th century ships, which were similar to those in this story, that were able to sail from New York to UK (~3k miles) in less than 30 days. They averaged 100-120 miles per day (24 hrs). With that in mind it shouldn’t actually take even three months to sail from Meereen to her destination. That’s why I say Euron would roughly have six months – from the time Yara/Theon left. That of course does not factor in an unknown length of time they were in Meereen before departure… but it also doesn’t factor in Euron sailing anywhere with his magically created fleet and somehow manning all of them fully/adequately.
Flayed Potatoes,
I have had this discussion so many times I don’t want to be repeating the same thing again ..its very clear who is being the hero of this story and how they setting up this whole one who doesnt desire power is the one who will rule the best and all..
But do point out those scenes from BOTB scripts ..iam waiting for those scenes that show favoritism and worshipping..
HelloThere,
Clob,
Something I have never seen considered while speaking about euron and his 1000 ships is that we are forgetting that he only needed 1000 ships to bring Danyand her army …
Without her he doesn’t have enough men to fill those 1000 ships ..
I think “blaming” Daenerys and/or D&D of favoritism and worship for Jon’s storyline (failures) is misplaced. Jon’s story actions suffered because D&D are tacking Sansa into everything he does because THEY like HER for some damn reason.
and she sucks!! I had to add that for consistency
Clob,
Exactly why I keep getting annoyed and irritated by those statements ..I am very poor at ignoring these things..even tyrion fans can’t complain because its him who is holding dany to ground and winning the wars and battle for her as her advisor ..
dragonbringer,
Maybe now that Daenerys will be in Westeros they can stick Sansa in both their storylines and f&*k ’em both up! Dammit, I shouldn’t even put that out there for chance that they’ll somehow get that idea. 🙁
Clob,
Jon’s storyline in the TV show has never been strong, going back to season 1.
They’ve taken every opportunity where they could’ve developed him into a capable leader, and twisted the situation to the point where Jon bumbled and buffooned his way into winning.
But maybe thats the character they want him to be. Its consistent.
HelloThere,
Huh… I thought they did pretty well in sticking to book!Jon’s story and character for the most part up to the last we’ve read of him (stabbing). *shrug*
Clob,
I don’t know.
I just got the feeling that from, especially season 2 with the Quorin Halfhand storyline, that they made it seem like Jon accidentally stumbles his way into leadership, rather than actually taking charge. And there is an innate hardness to the character in the books, that I never felt comes across in the show.
Which is why I felt him being so easily tricked by Ramsay was consistent with how they’ve written the character for years.
Tho I will say, my usage of “bumbled and buffooned” is too harsh, but I still stand by what I said.
But I think its honestly better from a show standpoint, to remain consistent to the character in the script, because for the show, that is the character.
Clob,
This is very helpful! Thank you 😀
I suppose we have to factor how long it would take Dany to prepare the ships (Daario mentioned the sails in 610), but it shouldn’t take that long anyway 🙂
And good point about Euron not having enough people to man those potential 1000 ships.
dragonbringer,
spoiler tags just in case
You know the only way Jon rules is if Dany dies. And frankly I don’t see her dying (not after GRRM is writing dozens of chapters of her in Essos dealing with slavers and ruling in Meereen and D&D have been telegraphing her on the throne for years now). There will be riots tbh if she dies.
D&D have mentioned in interviews who their favorite characters are and yes Dany is a favorite of both and it shows. Clob mentioned one BtoB part of the script I was going to mention (sticking their girl Sansa everywhere) and the trend will likely continue next season when he meets Dany.
BtoB script: “Dany never flinches,” “Dany watches Tyrion flinching, regarding him as the snake regards the mouse”, “Tyrion flinches again, and is a bit embarrassed when he sees Dany coolly regarding him with a slight smile”. Tyrion basically looks embarrassed and pathetic in this entire scene compared to the ever stoic and badass Dany (since that’s the only Dany they write I guess). “My tyranny has just begun motherfucker” is pure D&D worship… like look how badass this is hurr durr.
I’m going to assume you’ve read the leaked pages from the season 7 script and how Jon finally sees “what everyone else has seen” or whatever *eyeroll* and then randomly calling her Dany. I really worry their scenes are going to be cheese on toast. I was looking forward to them meeting, but I worry about the writing.
HelloThere,
Yeah I wish they’d have shown his ambition, ruthlessness and political skills more, but it seems like they’re just obsessed with the “you know nothing Jon Snow” meme. They’re also insisting too much on the Ned parallels. I don’t see Ned doing what Jon did to Gilly and her baby in ADWD, for example. I also liked seeing Jon negotiate with the Iron Bank, haggling like a fishwife, meddling in Norther politics and negotiating marriages.
At least he hanged a kid I guess….
HelloThere,
Its rather good to be consistent than be an inconsistent one like dany …sometimes they write her as viserys ( whole season 2 for example ) and sometimes as dany..
And I disagree with you his storyline hasn’t been strong …the only one whose storyline that has been strong in the last 3 season is actually jon’s ..
Starting from the council scene in two swords Jon and kit is owning it ..
Clob,
Did you know this site used to be pro sansa once upon a time ..and the turn around in this website alone actually speaks how much strong his arcs have been ..
I would personally say Cersei has had the best character arc in the last 3 seasons
HelloThere,
Personally for me Jon’s arc has been the strongest in the last three season.He is the most empathetic character and the one who makes me feel the most and I am most invested in.I liked him in the books but not at the level that I do in the show so for me they must be doing something right.
Jenny,
Just so everyone is clear, when I post my “critiques”, I am being needlessly nitpicky over my favorite TV show of all time, so In general, I pretty much adore all the characters and plot lines.
Tbh I think in general the show has mostly done a good job with all the main characters.Apart from Bran but that is mostly George’s fault.I have read all the books and obviously they are more nuanced in there and give a better understanding especially of characters like Jon and Dany with extensive interior monologues but the essence of the characters is still there.I find that the hardcore fans are the ones that dwell the most on the supposed mistakes their faves make.The casual viewers absolutely love Jon,Dany,Arya and Tyrion and root for them same as most book readers so I would say mission accomplished.
I definitely agree that Jon has really shone in the last three seasons. I wonder if that was deliberate, the way he really seems to come out of Robb’s shadow following the Red Wedding? Jon grew slowly in the first three seasons, but became far more prominent from season four onward.
Jenny,
They have more emmys than any scripted TV show
Thats more than “mission accomplished”
GOT is a homerun in every way.
I can, and have, nitpicked for hours on end, to the point where any sane human would believe I despise the show. But its absolutely the opposite.
Flayed Potatoes,
You know who has the most number of death theories and one who has always been penned as not going to survive list ..
Its dany ..
And you know on who there are endless theories about he is the Prince and rightful king and aragorn and how he will end up ruling ..you know who gets to be on the list of persons that will survive …
Its on Jon ..do we even have a thread theorising how Jon will die ..
Don’t you think if there will be such an uproar ..it should be opposite ..
Whatever we canjust say D&D preferred dany so she survived right ..
Its nearly been a decade I joined this fandom other than you and couple of others the majority of this fandom for the most part have always been saying he is going to be the king ..I dont think they are any less fans than we are ..
So they said they like dany ..don’t they say the same thing for Jon..
Its always the same with you isnt it..Emilia gets nominated because she attends parties and now D&D say they like dany so theyshow favoritism ..
I guess they are such a fans who else will be writing Tyranny starts when it comes to ruling …who else will be making remarks about Hitler or who else will be having people telling her about her mad father every turn. .hizdar,jorah and tyrion all comes of sympathetic while she is coming of as arrogant evil mad queen..
She can’t even have her own mind …no we have to have tyrion for that ..
I guess only fans will do those scenes instead of actually showing her empathy and self doubts her vulnerabilities her emotions and her intelligence and cunning and caring about the people ..why do we even have to mention Rhaegar when we have aerys and viserys ..
All those scenes you mention between tyrion and dany actually shows how terrible dany is and anyone who has read the book dany must know she will never treat one of her own man like that ..they even mention how terrible she is now and chnaged..
If we are going to ask who won the battle of meereen for dany. .people are going to say its Tyrion and he is such a saint he is keeping her on the ground and doesn’t go full mad ..the writers go on about Dany should be thankful to tyrion ..
What about the lines written for Jon such as Mel thinking he is the King she is meant to serve ..or smalljon thinking I don’t like boy but like his balls and him being the greatest swordsman and all..
Season 7 is clear dany and cersei will be fighting their cat fight …Jon will want to put side their fight and unite. Because he is the only one who truly cares about realm and people and of the coming threat ..
The most amusing thing is tyrion will side with Jon but dany won’t …I guess it was dany who escaped KL inside a cart and most hated sister of cersei ..
Why shouldn’t Jon admire dany ..isn’t she done admirable things …in the books we have tyrion telling YG about her path so far and that is admirable ..and we have tyrion question about dany’s sanity to jorah in the similar scene …and worst of all that can jorah comes up with is birth of dragons and crying of dragons ..
Dany has always gained and earned respect ..she values the people around her and below her ..it will be nice If the show actually showed some of these things instead of their cool breaking the wheel ..
The show hadnt whitewashed dany like they did with tyrion or raised her importance like they did with sansa or cersei …so this constant claiming of them favoring dany doesn’t stand at all ..she is been getting less and less screentime and lines in the last 3 season..
And this is all I can say about this ..I know its not going to stop you making the same claim again ..I pray to god I have strength to ignore those comments ..
I don’t know that I’d ever call it “pro Sansa” as much as there just wasn’t as much to complain about since the show stuck to her story and she (and Sophie) could be mostly ignored. I of course have never fallen into the Pro category. I was in the “I’ll let her slide” or that “ignore” category but the show and Sophie have turned me for the worse. 😉
HelloThere,
Haha yeah I get you.
Jenny,
Wasn’t planning on it! The excitement’s only just ramping up.
Wimsey,
Oh, I think we can easily agree to disagree about the quality of writing. But unconfirmed details in the reddit leaks are spoiler-coded here as a matter of forum policy, so I’m not sure why the confusion.
ghost of winterfell,
after killing the wight and delivering that line wouldn’t make a lick of sense, would it? It wouldn’t just undermine his character, it would undermine the entire scene. Normally D&D only screw characters over to service the plot. Does it make more sense for the climax of the finale to boil down to, “This is the threat we’re all facing and all the other wars don’t matter,” or “Jon’s the absolutely worst and he just fucked over the realm for no reason”? How would any writer justify the latter?
dragonbringer,
I’ll number my points, since it’s easier to keep track of them:
1. Jon has plenty of death theories (either he’s going to sacrifice himself and die in the final battle or he will become the new NK). The first one is more common. Dany does have a lot too, and I blame the HotU sequence for that, but so does Jon.
2. I never said Emilia gets nominated just because she attends parties. Every actor attends parties and meets with producers and other industry people. Kit himself lowkey campaigned for his Emmy nom. It’s just what’s done in Hollywood. I follow awards season religiously. Idk it doesn’t bother me.
3. If she survives to the end it won’t be because of favoritism. It’s GRRM’s ending. But favoritism influences the character’s journey. I wish D&D had made it more challenging and suspenseful. It’s just lame so far.
4. “Greatest swordsman” was said by Ramsay in a mocking way. Jon would get beat by the Mountain, the Hound, and Brienne based on their strength alone. I think even Bronn would beat him. Mel’s king line was so out of left field…but really would people take her seriously after she was wrong about Stannis? You have said she will now proclaim Dany as the lord’s chosen at some point so idk.
5. Doesn’t Tyrion also tell Dany not to go after Jon? I don’t know how supportive that is, if he’s ok with letting Jon die north of the Wall. Lads also said Tyrion spends the season convincing Jon that Dany is good for Westeros, so he’s obviously on her side and the death of the Tarlys seems merely a temporary conflict.
6. I never said Jon shouldn’t admire Dany. Don’t put words in my mouth. I’m sure they’ll like and admire each other.
7. If Dany dies there will be uproar. The great majority of casual viewers think she’ll survive and rule because the show is spelling it out in capital letters (and Dany mentions she’ll rule every season). Media outlets will be outraged. Both show and book fans will feel like they’ve wasted their time if her arc doesn’t lead up to something like this. George spent hundreds of pages on depicting her campaign to get an army and her rule in Meereen and he’s most likely going to spend another book with her and the Dothraki (most likely culminating with her becoming the khal of khals). If there’s no payoff after all of this, people will be pissed off. If GRRM had ended ASOS with her sailing for Westeros, maybe there would be less uproar, but he’s written one book where her arc is about leadership 101 and the next one is once again back with the Dothraki …..like it has to lead somewhere otherwise what’s the point? People will feel cheated and duped.
Dee Stark,
Thanks for the Nikolaj news! He seems to favour convict roles these days, first Small Crimes and now this.
LoonyLuna78,
Looks like the Ol’ Nedmeister to me as well. 😉
Flayed Potatoes,
Even today she will top that list ..
I myself believed dany as more chance of dying but the way season 7 ending with cersei still being alive is actually making me believe she will survive ..
4 ) regardless those things happened and can be seen in the scripts right …they have said they like jon and kit right. I don’t see anyone shouting how it shows D&D favoritism for Jon Snow…
I like how some lines like tyranny is taken as joke but brushing aside these lines about Jon or underplaying it ..
I never said Mel will proclaim dany as chosen one ..I am asking for someone who thinks about waking the dragons and looking for someone who is actually born on dragonstone …what does she will do when she learns about dany…logic dictates that she comes to realize her mistake ..
7) an arc that many believe to be a failure and an arc that show brushed aside with the stupid ” you are no ruler but a conqueror” and looking at the season 7 she is not even a good conqueror it seems ..
You talked about how we should just insert dany instead of sansa next season and expect it to be the same…
If you have watched the show it never happens in the dany’s storyline..
Take anyone starting from Jorah,Hizdar,Tyrion everyone as been whitewashed and have made look dany bad and questioned her to the face ..
Her ruling arc has been given to tyrion ..
Her military campaigns and ideas were given to jorah and Darrio..
This is how the show has been doing her storyline for seasons …its a sad thing dany fans are not vocal about these things like Jon’s does…
I will just reiterate what I said in my previous post …if a character is said be having shown favoritism …then I expect the character
1) role to be either whitewashed or
2) characters importance has been increased or
3) screentime to be increased or
None of this happens with daenerys and she is actually more ruthless and cruel in the show and one dimensional and more about IT and more like Aerys and viserys …