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Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 5 “The Door”
Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Jack Bender
Runtime: 57 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
Video Preview: Full episode 5 preview on YouTube
Synopsis: Tyrion seeks a strange ally. Bran learns a great deal. Brienne goes on a mission. Arya is given a chance to prove herself.
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As many of you are aware, this episode did leak early. We’ve opened a separate SPOILER CHAT for people who have already watched the episode and want to discuss it freely.
Spoiler coding is still required in this Open Chat post prior to the episode’s official airing (9PM EDT tonight for Season 6 Episode 5). We ask that fans use consideration for your fellow viewers, and cover and label your spoilers appropriately. Spoilers from the actual aired episode, if you have watched the leaked episode early, are not permitted in this post until after the episode officially airs at 9PM EDT. Thank you!
I suppose there’s nobody left to discuss in this one. 🙁 #bitter
My God, episode 5 already! Time flies…
Clob,
Don’t get too disappointed… I know some of us are here! Although I will not be staying long out of fear someone will say too much!
Sou,
LOL
The open chat, was really good, after watching you could read it, it was really, really polite and kind, it suprised me.
I’m trying to keep away from the spoilers. But I have heard the episode is amazing, and I’m very excited to see it tonight!
The funny thing?
I’m more excited about the preview after the episode!
Mihnea,
Sorry this comment was meant for
Clob,
Glad there are a few of use here.
I’m definitely going to read through it after the episode. I was actually one of those that “ran into” the news last night about the accidental upload of ep 5. I read enough in the notice to be slightly spoiled (meaning: the major plot points). I’ve chosen for that to be the extent though as opposed to discussing it with those that have watched it.
Hodor
Looper,
ha, you are lucky. It will be tomorrow evening for me. But still, I am beginning to stress that this go so fast and soon it will be all over!!!
Finally, a safe place to hangout 😀
So far, I avoided spoilers except for one point, and the feedback that the episode is great!
I feel the same. For some reason there is always this one bloke who does not follow moderator instructions.
No, absolutely NOT in this post. Sorry, no leaked episode discussion in this post at all.
The promised prince,
It is only 5 hours left. You can do it, resisting I mean 😀
This has me curious as well. In the preview she acts like she really knows what’s going on and what’s going to happen. Why is it that Melisandre seems to know nothing and has basically been guessing?
Maybe she seen in her fires what happened in Vaes Dothrak
I’m here, but not going to stay to chat, as I don’t trust the Internet to read and follow directions posted in bright red on the main page.
Well i’m here too guys, besides watching the show with a quality any less than 1080p is MAJOR crime and it is known hahaha.
Can’t for All the Sansa goodness, i know that she’s featured heavily in this episode which makes me think of her going to be absent from next week and i’ll be really disappointed if that’s the case.
Clob,
Pride blinds her? She think to highly of herself and refuses to admit she made a mistake.
So true, tonight we will be halfway through the season. SIGH!!
Clob,
Meeee!!!! I´m waiting till toniteeee!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂
It is so strange that the episode leaked from HBONordic which is my source of GOT. Yesterday late at night I checked the site without reason to see if the episode was there. But it wasn’t of course. Today it leaked! And now I have to wait a few more hours. The hardest thing of all this is that GOT changes my daily rhythms… but I do not want to download it for fear of viruses etc…Silly I know!
Bring on The Winds of Winter! The entire Shireen having been burnt and Davos still not in the Know of it all, then Brienne, is really boggling. I’m scared of the resolutions possible outcomes in this.
So looking forward to this episode. At present, the one big fault I have with this current season is why the Hell hasn’t Davos strangled Melisandre but considering last weeks revelation, he doesn’t know about Shireens fate yet. Hope this episode features that shot of him staring at the remains of a pyre and you can’t tell me that he won’t find Shireen’s Wooden stag in those ashes. (and Yes! .. I’m not even going to complain “How the Hell that thing didn’t get consumed by the fire” :oP) I will not even complain if he threw Mel into a fire in promise of giving a wooden Doe to accompany it :oD
Also, how do you guys feel about Arya’s future assassination order is to kill Daenerys? I have this feeling that the last thing the Bravossi Bank want is a Targaryen to be back on the Iron Throne and that they may hire the Faceless Men to take her out?? (In truth.. I’m just hoping that Arya joins up with Daenerys camp now that Tyrion’s there :o)
I also will lay bets that a future Bran vision to Winterfell, will feature Lysanna’s body been brought home and that Wyllis eventual muteness, be linked to his love and despair at the lost of her (and with Bran’s words been heard by past persons, what if Bran influences Wyllis shock. Could “Hodor” simply be “Hold Her” (as in hold her one last time?)
Spoiler warning! I left the meat out of the refrigerator all night and just discovered it now!!!!
I wonder if those leaks are made on purpose…can the people hired worldwide be that uneffective????
I can’t wait for the next episode. Only a few more hours until it airs. 🙂
HereBeDragons,
I don’t think so that he will strangle her even if he learns about Shireen. She is the only person who can help Jon if something goes bad and Jon is much more important than Shireen at this stage. So he wouldn’t do it. He knows when the personal stops and the common good begins. This is so clear so far… Of course there can always be a change of minds, a provocation, an accidental word that can infuriate him and kill her. But how easy will this be?
Hey Sue i did alter my post when i saw your message to The promised prince: …
jesus i cant belive we are already at ep 5 … time sure does fly.
Grayven Reyne,
newbietothegame,
Well guys (and gals), I am out. This is getting too stressful, in spite of lovely Sue’s efforts and all. The only thing that bothers me is that by the time I will get to watch it (tomorrow night) the best discussions will have been already held!
Mihnea,
you have to promise that you and the other early birds will still discuss the episode with us, even belatedly!!
So, a very nice evening to you all, happy watching to our friends in the US and catch up with you again on Tuesday!
I was inadvertently spoiled on Twitter, but I’ve been spoiled before and thankfully learning what happened ahead of time does not diminish emotional impact for me so I’m just choosing not to be upset about it. As to those doing the spoiling just to watch the world burn well, that really sucks and they probably should’ve been hugged more as children.
Mihnea, knock it off. In fact, please stay out of this post altogether.
HereBeDragons,
For some reason, “Hold the Door” is popular here for Hodor. In other places, it has been concluded that “Hodor” is Lyanna’s horse. $5 says that none of these are correct if only because
Melisandre basically gets trailers for upcoming events. And as we’ve seen from these boards and all fanboards discussing trailers for films, shows, etc., with fanbases, people often draw wildly incorrect conclusions from just getting snippets of details.
So, I would present this differently. If Mel was watching Game of Thrones trailers, she would be kicking most of our asses in terms of predicting the future. Would she be getting all of the specifics correct? No: but I think that she is doing a much better job of gleaning the general plot.
Sou,
Well tomorrow morning.. so in about 10 houres.. I will give some of my thoughts.
I will rewatch it… potato quality. really annoyed me..
Still though, I recommand the early open chat, it was so polite and kind, 2-3 exceptions, but I didn’t see such a polite/kind thread in a long while..
Sorry! I thought general impressions would be ok. My mistake.
Can we quote you on that in January?
Sue the Fury,
Sorry, for that comment…
Stay strong peeps. We can make it! Just a few hours more
That dude in the picture (is he one of Underwater Jesus’s Imams?) looks like a bleached White Walker.
And then the asteroid struck…..
No 🙂
In about 1.5 months time will stop and the agony will begin.
Wimsey,
He is Aeron, Balon’s brother.
Well see you in 10 houres.
Hope you enjoy the episode!!
I am also off of here until the episode starts to air. Bloke # 1 already posted stuff and I read it before someone deleted the post.
Honestly people, READ the mods rules, in RED, before you post.
4 hours and 15 minutes…there isn’t a spoiler in all of Westeros that would dampen my enthusiasm, but I still try to stay away from them. CAN’T WAIT! !
I don’t want to be spoiled either!! But out of curiosity just clicked on the Spoiler Chat to see how many comments there are and there are well over 600!!!!! Mind blown!!
Gutted I got inadvertently spoiled when reading comments on the preview for ep 5 (on YouTube so go there!) I hadn’t even known that it had leaked at the time and wasn’t sure what the comments were on about but now, unfortunately, I’ve worked it out. Still hyped though… Just gonna have to stay away from the internet until tomorrow evening now ?
Happy to be able to read here without spoiler. I am trying to avoid spoilers all day. It seems that in my other forum (in my native language) everyone has already watched the leaked episode. They are very kind and try to write everything in spoiler tags. Nevertheless I have been spoilt by one thing as someone forgot to put it into spoiler tags and I have now left the forum for today. Feeling not safe there.
I am so looking forward to the next episode, I just love season 6 so far, it will probably replace season 4 as favourite season.
I am even interested in Daenerys’storyline and that says a lot.
So, it is like oscillating between dysentery and constipation? Wow, what a disgusting analogy: thanks for that….. 😉
Who is a White Walker that got bleached? Well, that explains a lot.
Sue the Fury,
Your vigilance here is greatly appreciated. I vowed not to spoil myself after the first episode, and this one is really hard to avoid! So, THANK YOU, Sue!
AlexG,
HBO Nordic somehow aired/allowed on demand airing of the episode almost a full day before original airtime in the US. Don’t they have computers that can automatically publish content at specified times? At least it was much closer to air, as opposed to the huge 4 ep leak they had before.
Can’t wait to see it. Hope any spoilers on this post get deleted before I see em. I like the non-spoiler discussion.
I. I. I just have no idea what to feel…someone tell me how to feel.
Ive got a book group to go to so I’ll be gone till the episode starts. That will keep me from knowing anything….(unless someone in the group has been spoiled, then……)
What’s the deal with these episode leaks? I have to wonder if it was a leak or planned by HBO to generate some hype (not that it’s necessary). Anyways, just find it odd.
Looking forward to more Stark scenes, including Bran and whatever is going to happen with the night’s king.
And not that I’m complaining, but wonder when we will see Dorne again….have to think it will be for something important, especially after the snakes cleaned house.
Kingbreaker,
If you’re referencing the episode, please stop. We have a spoiler chat post, linked TWICE in the post up above, for that kind of discussion.
Standing in solidarity of all unsullied today.
Just as us book readers kept quiet for in moments of turmoil for five years, we ask our brethren Free Folk to allow 8 hours of peace before our watch begins.
I promise, Castle Black will stand after our watch has ended tonight.
I am so, so interested in Sansa storyline, she is my favourite character but I love the whole North/Wall/Beyond the Wall plots so far. I am really looking forward to Sansas meeting with Littlefinger, hope she does not trust him any longer.
Worst thing is that I have to wait until tomorrow evening. The first offical airing would be 2 o’clock in the morning in Germany. I can not watch it tonight as tomorrow is my first day back in work and I have to be awake because there will be piles and piles on my desk.
Khal Daniel,
They would have to be a ***Severe Wanker*** to post spoilers in this chat when they have that other Open Chat for viewers who have seen the leaked episode.
I will rely on Sue’s vigilance because today is the 1st time I have been able to join a pre-episode chat this season as I have the flu.
I am too I have been away (out of state) and I know nothing of this leaked episode and I don’t want to know until I see it tonight. Thank you WoTW for starting this spoiler free thread.
Nooooooo!!!
Kingbreaker,
Feel like you should not type anymore until the rest of us get to watch.
Stay away from YouTube folks. People are already uploading reactions to the episode, and I just saw a pretty big spoiler in the title of one of those reaction videos. I wasn’t searching for it or anything, the video was just recommended to me on my YouTube home page.
These leaks really suck.
JessicafromMunich,
Aww Jessica… I don’t know how you can sleep knowing that your GOT is playing! :o)
Lucky, here in NZ it plays direct from the US at 1pm on Mondays and I know people who take the day off to watch it. I usually just take my laptop to work and re-organise my lunch hour :o)
Sunfyre,
I have a feeling we may re-encounter the Dutch actress who played one of the Wilding leaders at Hardhome.
She become an instant fan-favourite (well… I loved her :o) and Tormund seems to have an affiliation to her. ?
JessicafromMunich,
I feel your pain, Jessica. Here in Norway it’s released about 3 AM, so I just watch it in the morning before my activities of the day. Yeah, I subscribe to HBO Nordic, but they’ve removed the episode of course! 🙂
HereBeDragons,
Karsi. She’s the first one that came to mind for me too. Who else has died up North that hasn’t been burned? I couldn’t think of anyone else…
HereBeDragons,
She’s Danish. 🙂 But yes, at least in the show that would be very powerful! Edd and Jon met her, along with Tormund, so I assume they would know her.
Completely unrelated, but is anyone gonna be watching the premiere of Preacher on AMC right after GOT? I am and I know it’s gonna be sick!
Usually, it is not that bad. When I go to bed the new episode has not been aired in the USA. Than, on the next day, I am busy at work and when I return home I watch it with my husband in HD (Sky On Demand). But today is horrible because everyone, even in Germany, seems to have already watched it and I am fearful to open any GOT-related sites, boards, Youtube and so on, because I do not want to read any more spoilers.
I am a book reader and before that season I did not care much about spoilers as I already had a general idea what might happen. Nevertheless I never watched leaked episodes but knowing some spoilers was ok.
But this season is completely different, I love to be Unsullied, it is a completely new experience for me and it is great.
I have to wait till 9pm tomorrow as I live in the Uk and I already have got one spoiler. Anyone got a seven pointed star I could use to get me through this? Anyway I’m sure
will be worth the wait.
I also thought immediately that we will see Karsi again. She was great and I would not mind to see here again, even as a zombie.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Uhgg! I don´t know what the hell is happening with HBO! This is the second time it happens aside of the unaccountable hacked leaks they have! Sheesh! You would think they´d learn something by now 🙁
Sunfyre,
Probably a good chance at some point huh. The only one we know of right now is Karsi from Hardhome. I suppose it’s possible Jon or Tormund could have to face her in the future. For bigger character… yeah, Edd would be a bummer… or Bronn maybe.
Taking it a step further to be a little goofy… south of the wall there are tons of crypts filled with remains that may be mostly in one piece. “Tywin the Wight” – Arthur ‘Wight of the Morning’ Dayne 😛
Melissa Blackwood,
Well… of course.. there is Benjen??? :oP
and a really cool throwback would be to see Waymer Royce have a brief cameo at some point. We know the other 2 were beheaded but waymer should be intact :oD
Open chat before the episodes every week is one of my favourite things, but I’m a little scared to be in here now…
The hype is definitely real for this episode. Sounds like everyone has loved it!
HereBeDragons,
Nooooo!!!!! No zombie Benjen!!! Until I see otherwise, I am convinced that he’s holed up in a tree somewhere like Bran, just hanging out 🙂
I tend to think that the responsible person at HBO/HBO Nordic did it on purpose.
I was the same when it came to spoiler coded comments in these episode open chats discussing book events that may happen in the episode. However, I’ve always hated leaked episode spoilers being posted because what happens hasn’t always been from the books – and of course none of it is currently.
I really hope that we will get to know more about Benjen’s fate this season.
Just thinking of the shot of Bran and the Night’s King. We’ve determined that was in front of the cave, right? How would the three-eyed crow escape if his protective magic isn’t strong enough to prevent them getting to him? He’s suppose to be attached to the roots. If he’s eliminated how is Bran suppose to learn “everything?”
HereBeDragons,
Sorry you have the flu! At least it is Thrones night. GoT = best home remedy for anything
Enjoy the episode, everyone!
Maceless Fan,
OH no I forgot and didn’t set to record! When I get off it will be to late!!! Hope they re-run after first episode
Happy to see walkers tonight(if the episode preview can be believed) and maybe even the Cof too. Anybody else?
I am sure AMC will have a re-run.
I hate these leaks. Reddit, youtube, tumblr, twitter full of it. Still going strong and waiting for episode to air, I spoiled myself about episode 1 with that picture of Mel. Only 3 hours left.
Clob,
Buggar Him! lol …if he’s not Bloodraven, he can get Iced! :oP
Maybe he can pull an Obi Wun Kenobi and force/warg himself into Tree Consciousness?
and maybe Bran’s not meant to learn ‘everything’ … but that would give him the chance to go see what he wants to… (ToJ) :o)
My listing has Preacher (1st airing), Talking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, then Preacher again.
I may have to check out Preacher instead of what I usually do. That is watch GoT on HBO at my 8 pm and then watch it again on HBO Go at 9 so I can continually rewind good parts and then watch it on HBO again at 10:30. 😛
Clob,
Sunday fun day. Some nice Thrones action followed by season premiere of Preacher. All I need is a mug of Three eyed raven and I’m set
Yup. My schedule is exactly the same.
I hope the next episode isnt leaked like this episode. I love these open chats and talking about the upcoming episode with just speculation and predictions.
Gosh… it’s a bit lonely in here.
Anyone get the feeling we’re at the old airport waiting for our plane to arrive and yet all our other mates are in the new airport either enjoying all the free air-complimentary drinks and nibbles, and raving how flash their airplane is??? :oD
I have NO Temptation to visit that other site but I feel like I can hear the Party from our hanger! LOL
I’m getting more curious and excited for tonight’s episode. The dang spoilery open chat is pushing toward 750 comments already plus about 100 in this chat… Last week’s single thread only got to 884 all the way through!
HereBeDragons,
tells you who couldn’t wait for the episode to air XD
or they just avoided this site out of fear XD
Clob,
Something crazy must happen. And I feel like the only person in the world who doesn’t know what it is yet!
HereBeDragons,
It’d be really funny if Davos tries to strangle Mel and her pendant falls off and gives him the fright of his life. Would he have problems killing Nana Mel?
The faceless men thing really confuses the whole faceless god thing. If the the original religion came from the prayers of the dispossessed and enslaved and then morphs into a voluntary euthanasia society what’s with the political assassinations. It doesn’t quite add up.
Someone said there are reaction videos on Youtube. A big event or shock must happen in the episode.
We need to stay strong. Only a little over 2 1/2 hours to go. 🙂
Catch up on other shows in the mean time. Do a rewatch of Book of the Stranger. Next thing you know it will be 9pm!
Clob,
I saw that too Clob. Stay Strong! ..we only have 2 and a half hours to go :o)
HereBeDragons,
My thoughts exactly. Feel like the old guy on the first floor of an apartment, banging a broomstick against the ceiling while all the cool kids party upstairs
Im waiting until tonight to watch.. don’t be forlorn.
JessicafromMunich,
She’s Danish and was on Borgen and was in a relationship with the actor playing Euron.
It screens at 11 am in Sydney. Really throws my day out. As you can see I’m here when I should be concentrating on my own work.
Lol..well if you live in a hot climate like I do… it may be ok bc the AC has been cranking for three weeks or longer.. so it’s only 70 in here… 😉 As long as its not fish …then it goes straight in the trash can…
I am ready and hyped!
And HBO Nordic? SHAME!
I will go into bed now and return to this thread in probably 19 hours after I will have finally watched the episode:
To you all:
I hope you stay strong and will not see any spoilers :-). Hope you have a lot of fun watching the episode.
* peeks in *
Is it safe?
Thanks, Sue for all your hard work moderating these comment sections.
Anyway,
I’m definitely looking forward to the white walker action. I had originally hoped when the episode synopsis was released that we’d get ToJ again. It’s my birthday today and what better present than finally confirming
But I love everything white walker centric, so I’m still pretty happy!
Meereen’s been my least favorite storyline so far this season, so hopefully this new red priestess will shake things up a bit.
#tumbleweeds
Perhaps we should just get some interesting discussion going. Icey, you said you had a bunch of questions?
My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.
What will Bran see tonight?
Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?
Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?
Thank GOD I had to travel today and didn’t have time to go online and see anything..so I forewarned another poster on here and I haven’t seen her on here… so it looks like she is staying away. I am having a hard time waiting knowing that others already know the story.. BUT… I have too much to do before 9:00 AND I have a schedule I adhere to on Sundays.. so alas Im stuck here like you blokes.. BUT on the good note.. thank GOD you all decided to NOT watch the show before hand. I was thinking there would be even less on here then there are.. NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS!!!
Heh, I have to deal with the spoiler problem every week, as I live in Asia and episodes are released Monday morning while I am at work. Large parts of the internet are no-go during my lunch break.
Lol … there you are.. I was wondering. I just walked in the door and this was the first flipping thing Im doing.. lol..
I avoided all the spoilers too, thank goodness, been busy with the kiddos today! Talk to you folks in a couple hours! Siked!@
Happy birthday, WeirwoodTreeHugger! I baked you a cake: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/8a/80/4c8a809ed75ade019cc561b998714634.jpg. I’m quick, aren’t I?
Alas, I do not think you’ll get the gift you were hoping for, but this should be a doozie of a show based on what was said earlier this week!
Another question, if others are in the mood for theoretical discussions, which I always am. Do you think that the other Starks will start warging this season? We’ve had a nod or two in that direction, but we passed by that awesome Blind Beth opportunity – so sad. I’d love to think they’re saving other-Stark-warging for Rickon when he wargs into Ramsay’s hounds and gives them a taste of Bastard.
I hope Jorah is ok this week
weirwoodtreehugger,
ME too. I think we will get some rich WW and CoF history tonight. Really want to finally see what’s on the dang tower but I have a feeling that will be the next episode. Who knows though… (hopefully no one here)
My question for you all, what is the door?I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible.I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.
What will Bran see tonight?
Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?
Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?
My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.
I think the door is going to be the door into the past/future that Bran sees through/interacts with? I also have a feeling it’s going to have something to do with Hodor’s backstory.
What will Bran see tonight?
I’m not sure, but I hope it reveals the truth of so much. I want to know more about the white walkers and their motivations.
Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?
They’re probably inherently good, but I have to admit I’ve fond of the theory that they aren’t the good guys everyone thinks they are.
Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?
I think that will come in a later episode.
Im actually kinda surprised we haven’t had any warging yet except by Bran. I really want to see it happen for them all and am curious as to why they are not showing that part of their abilities? Maybe too much CGI expenses? That would be pretty cool if Rickon does warg into Ramsey’s hounds but I think they are going to sacrifice poor Rickon like so many believe. I hope that is not the case but Im starting to think there will have to be at least one or two more Starks to fall before this is all said and done.
Ice Spider,
I think that like with many of the titles, this one is talking about both a physical door as well as a theoretical door. The theoretical part usually involves many characters where the physical part which is one big part. I initially thought the door referenced the ToJ and the doorway between young ned and whatever is on the other side
Angela,
I like your thinking
Ok.. I have to get off and put my little one to bed.. I will be available in an hour Ginevra so FT me then.
I can’t wait to join the PARTY on the other side.. ttyl alligators.
Hodor. (Just a commented to follow the thread for later)
Ginevra,
I can see Rickon warging this season, but I don’t think any of the other Starks will. If they were going to do it with Arya, I think they would have when she was blind.
Two hours to go, and there’s almost 800 comments on that other thread where the cool kids are partying. Gotta stay strong just a little while longer.
Ginevra,
I’m thinking it’s to do with the Three-Eyed-Raven’s cave. Have a feeling that vision of Bran’s facing the Night-King and his forces is right outside the cave and with Meera desperately trying to wake him, feel Sure they have arrived.
High anticipation of what conversation Sansa and Littlefinger will have … I hope she holds him accountable but doubt she’ll burn him as she will need the Vale’s army.
Don’t like the Hodor/Hold the Door theory …feel positive there is a link to Lysanna and Hodor that is much more poignant. (Stable-boy crush)
and though never mentioned in the show but Daenerys always dreamed of going back to the home with the Red Door and Lemon Tree which for some reason, I’ve never shaken of as Dorne reference. (in fact… I’ve Never believed the “Ashara jumped to her death” but not going to open up a now irrelavant discussion, now that Aegon is cut)
((Just to add… wouldn’t it Blow us bookreader minds if Ned found TWO babies in the Tower of Joy)) ????? LOL
Simon,
Davos and Nana Mel, that’s hysterical…now that visual is stuck in my head!
Just glad you guys are here so I don’t become a raving lunatic in the final hours. Bet my hubby appreciates it too.
Ramsay needs to die. Ghost would also be an excellent option.
If that was what you were talking about. I put it in spoilers because I don’t know if it needs them. Better safe than sorry.
HereBeDragons,
Omg WW right outside the three eyed ravens cave?!? That could be intense. I have always thought Dany and the red door would be important but the show never really capitalized on that so idk if that will come in or not
Me too, and I hope, hope, hope that Mama Dragon can cure his greyscale.
Who am I kidding? I have a bad feeling about this.
eekkkk, I’m getting so excited! I am sad that there are so many spoilers everywhere but I’m so happy to be free of them here 🙂
I’m really happy we will finally meeting the missing Greyjoys and hopefully see some crazy Bran visions!
To me, that says this episode is epic and worth the wait.
Rickon is not one of the main characters, so I doubt that they will take the time to develop warging in him.
If the show was going to have Jon or Arya start warging, then they would have used Jon’s recovery or Arya’s blindness to get those balls rolling. It looks like they are not.
Or awful and worth the rant.
😀
Miss Stark,
Or have everyone finally starting to warg in the same episode or couple of episodes? When I saw that falcon last week I almost squeed thinking that Sansa will warg it soon!!! (Although she needs to get there…and start warging…and them BAM!). But if they didn’t show it when Arya was blinded when will they show it? (Are they saving it for when she’s reunited with Nymeria?!?)
Wimsey,
Either way it’ll be nice to see what everyone has to say! And read what all the leaked-episode Sullied had to say…
The door… The doors that stand out are the door to the cave and the ToJ door. I was thinking of a metaphorical door that Bran goes through in his visions because in the trailer the NK appears to “break through” it. I don’t know, but it must be major to be the episode title.
Months ago we got that article that said the VFX team was going to be able to do something they didn’t think they’d ever get to do (cost). At the time I suggested that it could be the ‘city’ of the White Walkers to include ice spiders and other really cool stuff. With that first shot we saw of Bran in front of the NK I thought maybe that’s where he was… but I guess we’ve figured out it’s in front of the cave so bummer on that. I suppose that’s what he sees then. Other than maybe getting stuck there I don’t know what else.
Clob,
Whaaaaaat? Silicon Valley and Veep is where to be! Then GOT again. Avoiding spoilers. Thanks for a safe zone
Wimsey,
Or rantful and worth the aw? 😉
Yes.. thanks for that .. I was aware of those theories. The other theory about the door is a gateway (door opening) for the characters to go to another level.. so to me that seems exciting especially since Dany did her whole death by fire. Im hoping that means that means some of the Starks will be able to use some of their warging powers too..
My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.
Perhaps the “hinge” of the world at the wall. Or the door to death…
What will Bran see tonight?
I think so since he was in the preview!
Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?
I think they are similar to any of GRRM’s races. The humans (First Men, etc.) are a mixture of both. The 1 giant we’ve seen doesn’t give us a statistical analysis (har!). Half are mostly good and half are mostly bad and they did eventually help out the humans. Bloodraven has had a very sordid past along with everyone else in his generation and family. I can’t imagine Bran won’t be affected.
Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?
YES! (But I always think that every week)
Ugh how lame
No real open chat lol
It’s 7 am on Monday here in China. Heading to do some work but I’ll be watching the episode tonight
I’m so excited! Wveryones got me hyped up.
Jon’s Grandma,
Glad to be of service
Ah! Dany’s red door! That could be the case. IIRC, many think the red door is in Braavos, which was originally meant to be more tropical. They changed everything else but forgot the lemon tree.
I forgot that we are getting the kingsmoot this episode, right?! So we get a better look at Euron, and we probably get to see him baptized, the iron way. I’m thinking that they drown and then do CPR to bring the baptized ones back to breathing, right?
I hope we actually get this latter half response in this episode. Will we see Silence? Will we see the de-tongued?
What will Brienne’s mission be? Obviously, the Riverlands, but will it mirror LSH’s assignment? Eek!
What will Arya’s mission be – or rather who? I hope it is someone we know, but most think it will be someone in Braavos.
Wimsey! Haha!!! (I hope not) 🙂
Khal Daniel,
Honesty… it makes perfect sense!
The White Walkers need to remove the 3ER and his Weirwood network and whatever powers are linked to that cave, must surely be the same spells that are linked to The Wall that keeps them from crossing/
Im going to HOPE its awesome and worth the wait…. 😉 Half full.. lemonade out of lemons kinda girl.. .
Ever the optimist, aren’t you?
ETA: Eek! Smileys scare me to begin with. (Yes, I’m that strange.) But the teethy ones look particularly vicious. Adding in the italic slant distortion is really freaking me out.
HereBeDragons,
I’m thinking it’s to do with the Three-Eyed-Raven’s cave.
Speaking of which, can you imagine what that place must smell like, with all those bones and mulch and not a shower in sight? As if a teen like Bran would actually take a shower regularly, amirite moms?
Forgive me, I'm a nervous wreck and will no doubt remain one until 10 pm tonight, 😉
Ice Spider,
It’s got 9.9/10 on IMDb already
Hardhome and red wedding have the same score!
Maybe that is why he told Bran that he won’t be there like him? That he see’s the WW coming and knows his days are numbered? Ohhhhhhhh my gosh.. that would be epic.
I spent most of today traveling, and I was worried because I knew that I would be cutting it close before making it to my destination (Thank God my hotel gets HBO). However, that turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as I didn’t learn that the episode had leaked until pretty much now. HBO Nordic, was it? Ouch. They’ll be in for it.
I’ll hold out for the remaining few hours. See you on the other side, everyone! 🙂
YIIIIIIPPPPPPPEEEEE Kinda makes me wonder if the leak wasn’t intentional? To get more people to watch this week?
Probably very unlikely but I kinda hope it’s the waif. That jealous b-word needs a good thrashing at least. 🙂
Ginerva,
Thanks! That’s an awesome cake. I wish I had it for real!
I’m still holding out hope that we’ll get more warging/skinchanging from the other Starks. Maybe that’s why Robin got a falcon, so Sansa (called Little Bird by the Hound) can warg it. It’d also be kind of fun if Rickon controlled one of Ramsay’s dogs and used it against him. Hey, I can dream.
Angela,
I’ve always gotten a creepy vibe from the CotF. Plus, the northern mythology is based on Irish and Scottish mythology and the faeries were definitely never totally human friendly. I’m curious about the white walker’s motives too. Beings who control zombie armies can’t be good exactly, but they’re supposedly more complex than they seem.
HereBeDragons,
Braavos is definitely not a climate in which lemon trees grow. That memory has always seemed suspect to me.
Dee,
I’m so excited, I can barely take it.
Guys a HUGE well done to all of you here who have had the strength to resist watching the leaked ep. I wish I’d resisted but it was virtually impossible with social media etc. Your perseverance and dedication will soon be rewarded, enjoy! 🙂
I was traveling today too.. and had to work outdoors in the middle of NO WHERE so no wifi or internet to tempt me. Honestly I didn’t want to watch it earlier and am kinda surprised more of the faithful here went over to the dark side and watched it already. ;( Bummer since we all like to talk beforehand. But say-la-veeee (lol my way of spelling it)
If you’ve watched the episode, you really should not comment in this post at all. Don’t rate it, don’t give hints, nothing. Really tired of having to spell this out. Go to the other post.
Ginevra,
Gosh… been so concentrated on what I want to see I’ve forgotten the Kingsmoot, let’s hope Euron’s character is handled way better than the Sand-Snakes :o)
Seems Brienne is destined to go to the Riverlands, but I was hoping that Davos was going to be sent to White Harbour (tie back to the books) but it appears he’s been sent to Bear Island (Ah well… least we may get to see this Lyanna Mormont… she’s got to be a cool kid, rite!!! ;o)
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG now that is really going to make me chomp at the bit.. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh
Ice Spider,
HHAHA I think not
Maybe ? Hahaha
The actual ratings are going to be quite low I imagine
Yay! I like that idea much better than Wimsey’s no warging on.
Ooooh, nice! That got me to sneak a quick peak at another GoT related site that puts up episode user scores. So far nothing yet though.
Ice Spider,
Hahahah thanks!!!!!
CANT WAIT
Thanks Sue.. its really aggravating…… we are trying to be diligent and wait.. just makes it so much harder. Thanks for being diligent and moderate.. I know you must hate days like this.. ppl are just so dumb
@ Icedragon
@herebedragons
Yes it that does make sense. I have a foul taste in my mouth now. I’m thinking 3ER might be close to an end.
Dee,
well It can go down as well I believe, let’s wait to see how good the episode is first 🙂
Ozymandias from breaking bad has a 10, Hope Game of Thrones gets one to this year 😀
It would be like the Crawler cave in the Descent. Now I want Neil Marshall to do a reboot set in Planetos.
Me either.. and I am refusing to go one FB or Twitter or any website for that matter.. I know evil lurks amongst those websites.. lol…
Ginevra,
I would love this too, but I think Wimsey is probably right. It seems like it’s too late for any of the rest to start warging. I’d be happy to just SEE Nymeria again!
I agree. There is just something we are not being told. I think the COTF are using Bran to get what they wanted. Just because they are magical beings doesn’t mean they don’t have an agenda.
As for the WWs, they are not good. I just think there is more to the story. A missing piece.
I hope we get another piece of the puzzle tonight!
Ice Spider,
Same. I like to go and watch the episode’s preview on Youtube about a dozen times before the episode on Sunday nights, but I’m too scared to go there. Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are also off-limits for the next 90 minutes as well.
Arya’s scene with Meryn Trant was pretty awful, but I think I could handle it once more if it was Ramsey…in fact, that would be awesome. “My name is Arya Stark and you’re the creep who hurt my sister. Prepare to die. Slowly.”
Ginevra,
My question for you all, what is the door?
Doors of perception and finding knowledge.
There is also the question of making a choice “whether you chose to walk through that door or not.
What will Bran see tonight?
This follows from theee of the door that will hopefully give the means to solve the WW issue/threat.
Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?
The CotF are just as flawed as the humans and have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. While they are not war mongering and riven by ambition like the human world they are not perfect.
Bloodraven is the same but working for the good as he sees it. It’s probably a making amends for all the wrong he did in Kingslanding . If however he is action on some broader Targ prophesy action plan I’ll reverse my opinion.
Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?
I don’t think so. The distances are just to great from the wall to bear island. I’d suggest they send out ravens and head off to meetings. The wildlings will stay where they are so as not to cause more tension.
SPOILER ALERT! Tonight’s episode is gonna be really good….. No I haven’t seen it. They just all are ?
Off topic.. how many think we will see Ice Spiders or Ice Dragons? Im really hoping we do.. I was Ice Dragon on the unmentionable site (like 6 months ago) but stopped going there bc someone else stole my name and refused to stop using it..
I mean how cool would that be for Jon to ride an Ice Dragon and battle Dany on Drogon?
This has been an excruciating few hours… Can’t wait for 9:00!
I have a feeling we may see (at least the beginning of) the demise of the Tyrell’s tonight. They’re condensing storylines like crazy, and I feel like they don’t have much of a role to play in the wars to come. Regardless, their army coming into KL cannot mean good things. Just my two sense.
I’m very interested to find out the significance of the title as well. I don’t really buy into the Hodor theory – doesn’t seem like something that would be title-worthy – but I am hoping we get more of his back story. Unfortunately I don’t really have any theories of my own.
I’m pumped to see more of Bran. If we’re getting WW, Winterfell, and CotF, he most be pretty central to the episode (hopefully).
First time poster here, long time follower of the site. Glad to have some unspoiled company as we wait it out ?
Stay away from those places until you see the episode.
Ahhh, yes maybe we will see lil Lyanna Mormont! I’ll take any damn Lyanna at this point. Plus lady Mormonts are the best!!!
Ginevra,
Yes, we have to stay strong and hope that all the warning comes… eventually!
I know.. its really sucking bc I had other things to do tonight and literally can’t get any work done bc I have to go online to do research. Just really pissed right now that the show was leaked. I mean how in the EFF does that happen????? Just so unprofessional.
excited to see what is tyrion upto. …I am really enjoying meereen this season,,,,,,,
and arya …….arya be nice to waif …only beat her to death please ….
I heard about the leak this morning – took a shower, eat my breakfast, went to the beach, with a book – I took my phone for emergencies only, but, had my wifi off.
I have been unplugged all day until about 5 mins ago and looking forward to episode 5. I am appreciative of the way WOTW has handled this. Please, please people – do not ruin it for those of us who have worked hard all day to remain unsullied. I didn’t want to stay away any longer because catching up with my friends at WOTW is part of my Sunday GOT ritual.
Looking forward to hanging out with the crew, after the episode airs tonight.
JessicafromMunich,
I´m about to think the same…it´s like they are needlessly tasting the waters
I am … I have already heard others on here say that they have crossed into the dark side too.. grrrrr :{
Khal Daniel,
Please no. I love him. That would be almost unbearable. I also feel like there is so much more that he needs to teach/show Bran.
;-[)
So what’s Danys next step? Go back to mereen with a vengeance? What will she think of Tyrions compromise? Or will she just pass go with her new army and collect her $200 at westeros? Will we see her tonight? Or have to wait
Welcome .. and so glad to see your post!! Always good to hear another’s insight.
FYI.. I wouldn’t count the Lannister’s out yet.. they are pretty darn good at survival.. well some of them at least. I can’t see them going anywhere for at least another season.
I think we’ll definitely see ice spiders in the books – maybe ice dragons. I’m not sure we’ll see either in the shows. That may have been why George wanted the series to end with a movie and a movie’s budget.
I think Dany and Jon will be on the same side, or at least I hope they will be.
Omg! I´m out of here!!! The wall´s already cracking here as well!! See ya guys in three hours!!!!
Ice Spider,
I doubt it because of the budget …
Dee,
If i were you, i would stay away from social media sites. Assholes are spoiling it left and right, and I don’t mean a handful of people, EVERYONE!!
Bottle of red Pinot Noir check
Potty break check
Little one off to lala land check
all electronic devices off check
saying adieu to all of you check
Lol.. gotta go folks.. enjoy the show.. can’t wait to be able to go to other thread afterwards. Guess no sleep for me for a long time tonight.
Apollo,
That you Apollo :o)
I believe this Crucixion is sustainable but Damn! …These Nails HURT!!!
HereBeDragons,
She is Danish, thank you very much, not dutch. People always mix us with the dutch, or believe that Denmark is the capital of Sweden. But yeah, Karsi was an instant fan favourite, which had a lot to do with Birgitte Hjorth Sørensens performance in which she managed to win our hearts in just a few quick moment before all hell broke loose. If they can find a way to get her back, they probably will. Then again, she is dead. Then again, she did rise again with blue eyes. Then again, she’s probably filming the second season of Vinyl.
On another note, I have a feeling Aeron Greyjoy will be somewhat prominent in this episode, of course because of the released HBO-foto of him. I enjoyed Michael Feast as the Damphair in Home.
I know.. just wishful thinking.. I was at least hoping for Ice Dragons. How epic would that be? A WW riding an Ice Dragon? Ahhhhhh a girl can dream.
Ice Spider,
I never even considered a Dany v. Jon matchup until seeing people suggest it recently on here. I’d like to think that they will align forces… I can’t foresee circumstances where 1) Jon would have interest in the Iron Throne, which is what Dany will presumably be after, and 2) Jon and Dany going to war against someone without any attempts at peace/diplomacy. If you get both of them in the same room, I feel like they’d leave on the same page. You never know though, it would certainly make for an epic battle with a really conflicted audience.
Ice spiders and dragons would be awesome, but my vote would be that we won’t see them any time soon. Maybe closer to the series finale, but I’m not really sure if the budget would be there or not. We can hope.
For me, the biggest surprise tonight would be if Bronn finally showed up!
And if he kicked some keister. I don’t care who’s keister Bronn’s kicking as long as Bronn’s kicking keister. (Try saying that three times really fast.)
Oh yeah, I haven’t even been thinking of KL since the thread opened. I do think Cersei is withholding what Tommen told her to fuel her revenge. Revenge because I still think she’s found out that Olenna was involved in Joffrey’s death. I believe that’s a BIG THING that D&D would use to make shit hit the fan in KL (even if George doesn’t), which has to happen at some point right. I don’t know if that kind of “resolution” will be gotten to tonight but something should get started.
OMG. There goes sleeping tonight. Thanks. 🙂
Ice Spider,
haha unmentionable site, i wonder what site that can be 😉
Ice Spider,
So lucky
I’m in China and its Monday morning so I gotta wait till the evening
But thank fully I go back to Canada and next week I will watch GOT during normal times
Ice Spider,
I think we will see ice spiders, ice dragons, ghosts – just about everything imaginable before this ends – D&D have done a Master’s job laying out the series – not too much magic/syfy kind of stuff in the first five seasons as to not scare away the “normal” people, just enough to have them hooked…..then….WHAM – season 6, 7 and 8 watch out below.
I love it.
It feels like we’re hiding out in a shelter waiting for the storm to pass. I have just one other site open, a sports team forum that has some GoT fans but not the type to spoil anything.
It has not been relevant to the stories yet for any character other than Bran, and the show tends to not introduce plot devices until/unless they are relevant to that season’s story. And as we don’t know if Arya or Jon learning to warg is ever going to be relevant to the story, we don’t know if the show will ever even really consider adding this.
Clob,
Agreed. I’m ready for things to get moving in KL. Tommen’s secret definitely seemed to foreshadow something big happening soon. Whatever it is, I feel like the High Sparrow would have definitely anticipated it getting back to Cersei.
Connor,
Do t worry Connor
Here I China, none of the social media sites work as they are blocked by government regulations lol
Clob,
Just curious, what’s the team?
Are you sure? Be careful. We are almost there. It would suck to be spoiled right before it airs.
I’m really nervous you guys
To watch the Book of the Stranger for the 4th time, or not….
1HR GET HYPED
You have to hide. I have been watching movies and shows on hulu today to pass the time. No social media. You have to set up a quarantine around you to avoid spoilers.
Wow. For once, I’m glad that I don’t have internet at home, because arriving at my office an hour before showtime, and gaining access to the web for the first time today, makes it a whole lot easier to resist finding and watching the leaked version.
I don’t dare read any comments even here in the “safe” thread, but looking forward to joining the discussion post-official-airing.
Yes. That is what I am doing right now while eating dinner.
Minnesota Vikings
Dee,
Didn’t the People’s Republic recently ban any and all mention of reincarnation in their movies? I’m as anti-superstition as the next person, but that seems a bit silly.
Whenever I think of “the door,” I think of the door in the Shadow Tower, since it’s all magicky. I know it was bypassed in the show, but the Wall itself could also be considered a door–a physical and magical barrier that prevents the Walkers from descending upon the world.
I also don’t believe things are as black/white as WALKERSBAD/DRAGONSGOOD. I’m so stoked to see what Bran’s interactions with them reveal.
I’m surprised so many people think the leak was some kind of intentional or even conspiratorial maliciousness. Companies are run by people, and people make mistakes. I worked at a very large video games company and people fucked up all the time. Most of those mistakes were caught before the public was exposed to them, but things got leaked or the wrong files were uploaded or the wrong packages sent—it happens. I’d hate to be the employee who hit that button right now.
And WE are the cool kids in this scenario, dammit. Yes, we all want to know what happened, we’re all excited, we all want to be in on the discussion, but there’s something special about participating in this fandom as it happens, discovering things together, freaking out together, crying together, arguing together, etc. I know I don’t participate a lot, but I read everyone’s comments every week, and I’d rather read your discussions in tandem with watching the episode than jumping ahead just to feel privileged for watching something early. This is what’s special, IMO.
Me too. :C
fierce as a wolverine,
You’d be safe to read this thread from the top so far. There may have been a couple things but Sue caught them fast.
Me too. :C
Thanks to everyone for the safe haven here.. I’m off to watch the NBA playoffs for an hour. Stay strong everyone!!!!
Yea, I’m outta here too. Some people are just itching to spill the beans and I doubt Sue will be quick enough on the draw to delete it…see you guys in 2 hours.
Clob,
Go Titans ! Hhaha
Dee,
are you afraid ?
You should be, your in the Great Game now.
and the Great Game in terrifying.
Clob,
One of my two fave football teams, the other being the Packers. I knew it couldn’t be a NY Yankees forum because they’re notorious blabbermouths.
Did I mention that I’m a huge Red Sox fan? 😉
Catspaw Assassin,
Did they? I have no idea
lol!!! That does seem silly
I’m only here on business for two weeks
But I’ll look into that gaha
ONE HOUR!
Matthew The Dragon knight,
Hahahah. Nice one Mathew
I’m surprised you’re not at the other thread hahaha
Dee,
Oh okay, that’s good. 😀
You guys wanna know what’s funny ? Is my hotel in China has hbo (randomly!!!!nbut it’s a Marriott) and they air game of thrones at 9 am today so I’m one hour, same time as US time… But I can’t watch cause I gotta go to work! SO CLOSE!!!!
I’m off to watch last week’s episode again, Talk to you all later.
The North remembers!
After tonight’s episode, I am going to give Preacher a try. Looks pretty good, but this pilot will determine if I continue to watch or not.
Mariota is my favorite non-Viking player… Actually, I can’t even put it that way because that downgrades him from favorite couple players in the league. I didn’t miss a game of his at Oregon and was po’d he didn’t declare a year earlier so the Vikings would have had a high enough draft spot to get him.
Wimsey,
That’s true, like when they showed us Rickon’s potential for Greensight in the crypts. But so far no warging…
Clob,
Lol!!!
Awww that makes me happy!!!!! :)))
Dee,
Nooooooo!!!! I’m sorry! Learn extra in class even if your brain is on your future GoT time afterwards!
One more hour folks, we are going to make it!!
Master Victor,
Hahaha it’s not class it’s work! Worse! Lol
But to Canada time next week thank fully
Also, do people really have that hard a time finding something to do that isn’t on the internet for a few hours? I’m normally busy before each episode as I’m in school and most of my assignments are due Sunday night, but I have tons of shit I can do that has nothing to do with the internet. Everyone here knows better than to go online if you missed an episode or something was leaked. Read a book! Clean your bathroom! Build a crazy, elaborate, Indiana-Jones-worthy, indoor-outdoor kitty labyrinth! Something!
I’m proud of all of you who resisted
Dee,
I couldn’t resist….I am too weak to resist…..
We appreciate you not trying to spill the beans, thank you so much!
Connor,
Hahaha I know you are! Weak man! Lol!!!
No problem! I am not the type of person to spoil everything for everyone else.
Just a case of habit. Like many I’ve spent lots of time Sunday afternoons/evenings during the season over these years reading and writing about the upcoming episode. I wasn’t going to let some guy in a closet at HBO Nordic wreck it.
Dee,
Lmao, I try to resist at least haha. D:
Connor,
fail! Hahaha
Dee,
The struggle is real. Thankfully we have a well-policed safe space here.
I can’t believe how many of our fellow watchers gave in to the leak! That thread ha almost 900 comments already! Wtf!
Alwight,
Agreed 🙂
Dee,
🙁 I’ll be stronger next time. 😀
Dee,
I’m impressed we’ve managed 250 comments here when there are about 5 of us posting!
45 minutes and counting!
Connor,
Sure sure
Miss Stark,
Hahahaha so true
Really wish I wasn’t stuck at work for another 2 1/2 hours! The end of my shift is coming slower than winter!
I’m really nervous for the episode though
It’s got red wedding like ratings on IMDb I meannnnnnnn wtfff
Dee,
If there are video reactions on YouTube….. Things are gonna get crazy.
At the end of every Game of Thrones episode, I get sad, and then I see the next episode preview, and get happy, then I get sad again because we have to wait another week for it 🙁
But then, there will be videos from Ozzy Man and Alt Shift X to ease the pain of waiting!!
Alwight,
Are there video reactions already??
Stay strong at work those stuck there! The rest of us will bite out nails in our Indiana Jones blanket huts!
I can’t handle another Red Wedding. I just hope whatever these big moments are, they don’t involve killing off any more Starks.
Someone wrote earlier that there are. 🙁
Miss Stark,
I will NOT ACCEPT A STARK DEATH
I DONT EVEN CARE NOT EVEN RICKON
Dee,
Yeah, someone posted that they got a spoiler just from a recommended YouTube video, one of an audience reaction to some scene. That’s why I’m steering clear of pretty much all other sites for the next 35min
Clob,
Oh no 🙁
I was not on this site when last season ended. Will we have a wailing and mourning thread after episode 10? LOL!!
I can’t believe we are already half way trough. So soon the agony of the ‘long wait’ will begin….
Alwight,
Oh man
Rickon is dead for sure then
Well y’all I’m off to do my work day here
So I won’t be logging back on till I get to watch the episode which will be around 6/7 pm my time so You all will be sleeping by then IF you can sleep after this episode lol
Can’t wait to be back in Canada to watch GOT live lol
30 minutes!
Have a good one, Dee!
Episode 5 major death poll
Vote:
A) Three eyed raven
B) Sansa
C) Davos
D) Theon
E) Meera
F) Melisandre
G) someone else
H) None
I’ve actually had no trouble waiting. GoT at 8PM is just part of my Sunday routine this time of year. All I’m doing is what I normally do. It’s the avoiding spoilers that’s tricky. Usually I spend a lot of time online Sundays because it’s the day where I don’t really do anything. I’ve just been playing casual phone games and looking at the archives of my favorite blog (other than this one) all day. Less than half an hour to go! My dad gave me a bottle of Absolut, so I think I’m going to make a martini. I’ll probably regret it come tomorrow, but what the hell, it’s my birthday!
Khal Daniel,
I’m voting A.
Khal Daniel,
No Daniel.. Don’t!!!
Some bastard WILL post a spoiler reply!!! :o(
Ok…. too risky now be back in 1 and a half hours. Not your Fault Daniel but can’t risk been spoiled when so close. :o)
weirwoodtreehugger,
Happy Bday, what better gift then a fine episode of Thrones to wash your martini down with. Cheers!
I’m thinking G
HereBeDragons,
I hope not!! Lol that’s definitely not my intention
Good point.
Clob,
Thanks for letting me know! It’s such a ritual at this point to come in to my office an hour beforehand, read through everyone’s comments, make last-minute speculations, and then watch the episode. I couldn’t resist coming back to the thread. It’s nice to know it’s safe.
You know that test that they did with kids and marshmallows, showing that people who are capable of delaying gratification in childhood generally end up more successful in the long run? If we’re trying to sort out the “who’s the cool kid?” question referenced upthread, I guess we can all reflect on those marshmallows as we patiently await our reward.
weirwoodtreehugger,
Happy Birthday!! One Martini won’t hurt. Cheers!
I’ll throw a vote for Mel. The talks of Shireen last week + Brienne’s threats are, I think, hinting at something to come. Maybe not this week, but who knows.
Miss Stark,
I agree with you.. But I also wonder if something happens at the kingsmoot
I like that! We’re going with that!! We’re going to get to watch like usual while many aren’t going to get to.
I think those of us who chose to be unsullied and patient should get special recognition. maybe even a tshirt. just sayin
Now there is a thought.
ash,
Yeah, and that too!! I’d think a “Growing Strong” shirt would be adequate, but I’d rather not sport a Tyrell logo.
Almost there. I resisted the temptation to watch, and I am luckily unspoiled, so should be a great episode!
Connor,
I find that pacing my weeks during the GoT season is sort of like pacing the half-marathons that I run. Like, Okay, Sunday night is the starting line, and you’re so exhilarated, then the episode ends and it starts to get difficult as you realize how far you have to go (mile one-two), then your get Game of Owns’ first recap episode and you feel tough again (mile four-five), then there are the video reviews to look forward to and you realize you’re more than halfway there (mile six-seven), but then it just starts to seem really long, and then there’s the second round of videos and write-ups here on WotW so you know you’re going to make it but it feels like it will never end, then there’s the second GOO podcast and the end is in sight and you realize that you’re back at the starting line again and you’re just like, Wait, this again? Why do I do this to myself? But you just can’t stop.
And the full cycle of on-season/off-season is like some mega-ultra-marathon that’s just excruciatingly awesome.
And now that I’ve written that exceedingly long and largely irrelevant comparison of two obsessions, I only have 13 minutes left! Yes! Time effectively killed.
My vote is G.
Ugh… I spent the last hour watching “Mother’s Mercy.” Why did I rewatch Jon getting stabbed just before the new episode!? Better be something cheerful tonight… Yeah, what show have I been watching, right?
Thanks, Khal Daniel and newbie!
And I guess I’ll vote for Mel in the death pool. She’s served her purpose in the story by resurrecting Jon. What else is there for her to do? I don’t want it to happen because Carice Van Houten is one of a long line of GoT actors that make me want an otherwise objectionable character to stick around, but it makes narrative sense for her to die soon.
10 minutes
Cersei is so convinced that Tyrion did it that Olenna could confess the whole plot to Cersei and Cersei would not believe it. Besides, Cersei is one of the main characters: if she were to learn something like this, then they would have to show us. If nothing else, then they would have to show us how she reconciles this with her belief that Tyrion is guilty.
Less than 10 minutes to go. Time to get ready for what is sure to be something crazy based on the comment count on the spoiler thread. I’m a little nervous.
fierce as a wolverine,
As long as there’s not some dude in a Volkswagen Beetle running you over at mile 12.
Well, less than 10 minutes to go. I’m off to refill my beverage and get comfortable. *CHEERS*
Yeah, you may be right. I just find it hard to believe that her hearing Margaery is going to do a walk of atonement is enough to set her off. The theory that she’s setting a trap to take down the Tyrell family and army sounds good to me. We’ll see.
They still need her to help explain to the audience what the Prince that Promised is. This will be tricky: it’s important information, but it would be best if they could somehow show us. And this will be key stuff, too: book readers know very little about this history. Chances are good that it is much like the Tower of Joy: what is believed to have happened and what really happened are not quite the same, and the differences will be very important at the climax of the story.
First of all, thanks to Sue and Co. for making that spoiler thread. While I was too chicken to even take a chance here today, I’m glad to see others were not.
For those, like me, who chose to wait to watch the episode, I really hope y’all enjoy it!!!
Time to turn off the phone, get a beverage, and, of course, pee. 🙂
Welp I got some x-rays to go do so the votes are tied between Mel and someone unlisted. See everybody after the episode!!
Here we go! I survived the spoilercalypse
It’s time!!
Here we go!
It’s tiiiiiime!!!!
Oh wow the “Previously” looks exciting
Seems like we may find out about How Wylis got kicked in the head by a Horse
Benjen was name dropped too, so expecting to see him again this season
Little finger is playing Sansa for a fool man.
Ghosts Lunch,
Lord of Light tells me you’re going to regret part of this comment not long after the episode ends… It is known.
Whoa shit
That falshback!
Great Kingsmoot
Great Coronation
Really set Euron up nicely now as the main antagonist to Dany right after her Khalsmoot etc
Love the death and re-birth theme etc
Interesting re Jorah, seems they will do a JonCon after all
Wonder what the “cure” for Shireen was
Ooh I smell a NK fb coming up
oh shit!
Oh shit, indeed!
Oh my god.
Oh wow what a mind screw
Heartbreaking on so many levels
Two word review: Mind blown.
So many theories confirmed oh god children make ww hodor=hold the door that means we were all probably right about rest of the story no point in watching anymore
Nice to get a look at Rickard btw…
O For Fucks Sake…. SUMMER TOO!!! ???? :o(
OH MY GOSH- I cried worse for Hodor than anyone else … this was just so messed up.. I wasn’t ready for him to go….. nooooooooooo! Hodor.. don’t leave us. Just so messed up.
Crying here, actually bawling.
What in the actual fuck?!!!!!!!!!!!!!
According to the books, Shireen was not ‘cured’, not really. The maesters say grayscale is not fatal in children. The healers/maesters at Dragonstone was able to contain the spread of the disease in Shireen (they used vinegar or something. JonCon dips his hand in wine). Val refers to Shireen as ‘the dead girl’, indicating that Shireen will die of grayscale eventually. It may be true or not, but no cure is known for grayscale in adults.
This is the second time this season an episode has left me damn near speechless.
lol how is it I’ve got several posts in a row?
Incredible! Such a huge episode! There was not a note missing! I loved Kendricks Meera and the actors group were all great, Essie above all. The dialogues were some of the best so far and the editing like a knife cutting Hall the Door into pieces….
He held that mafucking door!
Holy Shit! That was amazing and so worth waiting for! Wow!
Oh wow that really was an “all timer”
I can’t believe what I just saw…
What an INTENSE and amazing episode.
I am openly crying and shaking
What the seven hells!!!!
haha
Internet going to explode
This is going to take me days to process etc
That was one helluva ending. Direwolves are dying like a flies.
So at least we have wight Summer and Hodor to look forward to.
Ghosts Lunch,
Well let’s see if he meets Quaithe again! I mean there must have been a reason why she interacted with him back in S2.
Was it really necessary to kill Summer off?
Seems like a decision solely based on saving CGI money and time dealing with all the steps it takes to get a CGI dire wolf onscreen.
But other then that great episode!!!
Hodor and Summer both gone in the same episode! Too soon!
This season is crazy good so far.
For an episode that was a couple of minutes shorter than last week, it seemed like it was twice as long. Not because it was slow, which it t’weren’t, but for how much story, emotion and action they packed into it. Hat’s off to ’em.
I think this was a better ending than Hardhome or any other episode. I was disturbed after those but nothing like this!!
You guys, i was watching alone and i couldn’t even go to my sister for confort because she will wait and watch with my mom and i could not stop crying my eyes out 🙁
Best episode of the season. I am glad I did not look at one spolier prior to the show.
So does Hodor just relive his death in his mind over and over again until he just dies?
WWs attacking weirnet central! One speculation I got right from last fall! Yeah! 🙂
Wow, what a spectacular episode! The ending was almost too much to handle. Fuck, I’m bowled over and my mind is blown. Can’t wait to watch it again.
Finally, fuck GRRM for not telling the content of this episode first. Such an amazing disclosure but I’m damn pissed that I didn’t read this first.
saddest death ever. RPI Hodor.
Can it be next week already?
what to mention first! there was not a single scene that wasn’t well done. And what an editing for the finale!
Spoiler alert! The world is fucked and I don’t want to live in it any more. He was meant to be the prince that was promised! The one true king! *sobs*
#Pray for Ghost. Not a good time to be a direwolf … not enough budget for them.
I’m flashing back to the Cyclops’ heroic last stand in Krull, and I can’t stop the tears.
Welp, as critical as I’ve been of this season, have to say they knocked it out of the park with that episode. Wasn’t anything in that episode that I was unhappy with, from the play in Braavos, to Dany and Jorah, to Mereen, to the Kingsmoot and to Bran of course, I was fully engaged for the whole hour. I think it didn’t hurt that nearly all of the stories I’ve had problems with, Ramsey, King’s Landing, and Sam / Gilly, etc. weren’t in this one.
-I fucking love Arya’s story line, might be my favorite. Can’t believe people have been bored with it since she went to the House of B & W. I’ve been nothing but intrigued. Now we’re heading to a climax with the house of B & W, and it’s shaping up to be awesome.
-The scene between Jorah and Dany was excellent.
-Loved the Kingsmoot, I’m kind of glad Theon and Yara departed from the Iron Islands. Wonder if that’s the last we’ll see of Euron for this season? (hope not)
-All the stuff in the North with LF and at Castle Black was great.
-And of course Bran. Overall great scene, maybe a little CGIed more than usual for this show, and the Hodor child actor took me out of it a little with his acting, but fantastic overall. Hopefully we still get more flashbacks from Bran.
Definitely will be rewatching this one.
That is going to be a question for the ages. Im thinking he doesn’t remember that time until it comes again right at that moment when he has to hold the door… literally for Bran to escape.
One of my favorite episodes of all time…whoa!
Two questions…
Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?
And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?
Why do you assume this was their decision and not something GRRM told them?
What about Bran being able to manipulate the past, since the present moment we just watched caused such an intense and indelible mark on the coinciding moment in the past? Will this come into play again? Will this affect the endgame? It has pretty giant implications.
Arthur,
Do you think after watching this episode that they would save money for a dire wolf?
Omg Hodor 🙁
And Summer!?
Nooooooooo!!!!!!!!
At least I got a good laugh out of Brienne basically calling Jon emo.
Great episode, but I’m still processing.
The Bastard,
I don’t think it’s over and over but I would guess it comes back here and there hence why he is easily scared. He is happy a lot of the time. Experiencing it as a child though is so heartbreaking and totally enough to break him like that.
Ghost is the next one to die. Poor Hodor. This was seriously heartbreaking but Summer at least went out fighting unlike Shaggydog.
My head is literally in some kind of warped zone…. like Im not really alive right now.. did a TV series just make me lose my mind?
The Nordic Fail sucks. But bein in the UK it was a good opportunity to not fuck up another Monday. Wooh!! But here I am. Still up. I’ve watched it thrice n keep calling out HOLD THE FUCKING DOOR D: Amazing. Season 6 is up there with Seasons 1&4 and we are only halfway thru 😀 now I read more shiz n sleep when it happens. FUUUCK
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Also big Happy Birthday to WWTH. You’re awesome
Holy shit!!
That was episode 9 madness … in episode 5!!! EPIC!!!!
Hold the Door!!!!!!!
Summer … fuck.
I’m not normally one to go all westeros.org, but I was completely disconnected and de-immersed by the final scenes at the tree. It was one ‘yeah, right’ moment after the other, something the Hardhome episode masterfully avoided.
Jack Bauer 24,
To go forward you must go back and to go back you must go forward
🙂
This was just insane! I can’t wait for next week even more.
Some say he is still holding the door… 🙁
Nodor. I really don’t know what to say because words cannot possibly explain how I feel, but that was another enthralling, fantastic, and heartbreaking episode of GoT. There were no weak scenes at all; instead it got better and better until that ending. My god that ending was so intense, so sad, and so devastating.
If the season carries on like this it will be the best season ever. The premiere was average, but every episode since has been incredible, and just when you think it can’t get any better it does.
The only bad news is that we are now halfway through the season, but what a season it has been so far.
I think that Hodor was in some kind of time warp and that he experienced that twice in his life.. the first time when he heard Bran say “hold the Door” and then when he “lived” it out in real life holding the door…Im hoping to God he forgot it during the in-between time when from when he became “Hodor” to when he lost his life. If that makes sense.
I have no words. Laughter, a few fist pumps, questions, a lot of tears, but no words.
Sam/Gilly had one scene. What was your problem with them?
It is easy to see why there are only 15 episodes maximum left after this season.
Can White Walkers survive dragon fire? And do they have a dragon of their own in the wall as well?
Holy spitballs that was a good episode. Basically every scene was among the best of the season, with the probable exception of the Castle Black courtyard scene where Sansa’s gift and Jon’s thanks and Tormund+Brienne felt a bit stiff.
Everything else though? Wow.
Damn, lol…
I am still in shock. But my whole family was crying or on the verge or holding back.
Every storyline was good. I was teary eyed even watching Jorah and Dany.
Still, my only nitpick is why did Sumer have to die? I understand he gave his life to save Bran but come on man, I was so excited to see him for the first time this season then five minutes later he’s dead?
My logical sense thinks that D&D decided to make a business decision so more CGI money can go towards Dany’s dragons. But that’s so fucking lame because of ther cash cow that GoT is for HBO why couldn’t they just tell HBO they need X amount of dollaors for CGI next season and get it? IDK man, I just love those dire wolfs and they are getting killed off to fast. They suppose to represent the Stark kids!
A little amazed people are weeping for the CGI direwolf here, considering that not only did we lose the Three Eyed Raven (and hence, no more Max von Sydow, unless he’s going to appear to Bran in dreams later)… but… Hodor. Fucking Hodor. The most innocent soul on the show, goes out heroically and we find out has been a hero all this time. This was truly a painful loss.
I’m going to cry when we get a Kristian Nairn’s Curtain Call. 🙁
So upset 🙁 Fortunately thanks to spoilers I was able to put my hands over my ears so I didn’t hear poor Summer 🙁 Will have to do that again when I watch it with hubby, who annoyingly doesn’t like spoilers. I have given our two daughters the heads up about Summer so they can be prepared.
Instead of looking forward to each new episode I’m now coming to dread it. So many people/direwolves being bumped off.
Please please no more direwolf slaying. I can’t take it 🙁
And I would just like to add I didn’t like Jon’s new cloak. Some poor wolf relative gave up it’s life for that cloak. The least Sansa could have done was trim off the head and tail. Or even just the head. I couldn’t look at it 🙁
It was an insane episode.
The show has certainly changed course. One could easily say the boring story lines of the first 2 season where Jon Snow, Sansa Stark, & Bran Stark. Now, in Season 6, they are the best 3 characters of the show.
All these people who think that the death of the dire wolves is a budget issue. As if the producers couldn’t find a budget if they wanted to keep them…
Summer and Hodor 🙁
I was so totally wrong about Ho(ld the )Do(o)r. He will be missed, as will Summer even though that was really cheesy to just throw some paint on Ghost and call him Summer.
With all of the mentions of Benjen, that must be Benjen that saves them on the horse with his flaming bag of poo (or something), right?
What does Kinvara know about Varys?!!
I’m freaking loving Brienne’s reaction to Tormund!!!!
So much to process, I’d forgotten all about that, and I had the same reaction. Also, I cracked up every time Tormund looked at Brienne.
I’m guessing, as much as I hated it, and will have that moment on mute when I rewatch, Summer will probably die defending Bran in the cave in the books, too.
Dee,
haha i was XD
didn’t dare watch the episode, but i couldn’t keep myself away from the thread.
Saw the Episode, Ending almost had tears coming out, i’m completely Bloody devastated over Hodor and summer, noble sacrifices 🙁
Loved the Jon and sansa scenes, Jon really does have the best small council 🙂 Tormund, Davos, Sansa, Mel, Edd, And Brienne 😀
White walker action like always was Epic as Hell, Bloody loved the episode <3
going to re watch it again 🙂
Amazing thrilling heartbreaking episode!! Definitely in the top three or four of the entire series.
I’m assuming it was a Stark.
I don’t know if that needed to be in spoiler tags, but just in case.
The Stark line is mega old. I’m guessing they both led in the war against the children and led the peace treaty.
this was an amazing episode..so much packed into it
Sansa is done with LF, and he knows it. “half brother” line was desperation card.
I enjoyed the Kingsmoot…”I am Theon Greyjoy..” was a great moment for me after seeing what he has gone through and Euron’s crazy smile when he said “lets go murder them” was priceless
Jorah will be back, Dany has commanded it and it will be done.. expect him back before show is done.
LOOOVED Kinerva..please tell me she is more then a one off character…that was hands down best Mereen scene this season
A Girl went to the theater…Arya Stark came back to the HoBW,,The Waif called it true..Lady Ayra Stark will never be “no one”.
The CotF and WW visions were CREEPY but very well done
my favorite scene was Sansa giving Jon his new furs..she was on this side of flirting with him …I doubt the writers take it there, but they are going to push that line very close I do believe
and finally
Hodor Leaf and Summer went out like bosses…those last few minutes were insane
Geralt of Rivia,
It’s the first direwolf we watch dying fighting … well, listening … really awful. Both Grey Wind and Lady were just executed in the show and they only showed Shaggydog’s head … RIP Summer. He was the best of them all … The scene Summer saved Bran and Catelyn is one of my all time favourite …
If the hold the door thing is true it’s terribly cheesy. Maybe i’m a bad person but I said out loud that’s silly. Too much back to the future for me, even after D&D explained it I still find it hard to believe thats how it will happen in WOW.
Also Summer too?
Nick Hartley does not sow!
Yes, the damn wars have made access to the sweatshops in Braavos and Volantis very difficult to access, so Sansa had to make it herself and actually use an animal’s skin for it. I’m sure the Southern vegan movement will be very upset and urge people to side with the Boltons because they only skin evil, wolf-murdering humans like Sansa Stark.
Congrats! I was skeptical at first, but the idea that Bran’s interaction with the Night King over the Weirnet made me less so: and, sure enough, that was it.
But the big reveal: the Walkers are the Children’s creation turned against them. I gotta admit, I never considered that, and I never saw that idea posted.
So… is R’hllor going to be the Children’s answer to the Walkers? I am beginning to think that the Children should have hurried up and gone extinct! Still, who’s fault is it all in the end? Humans. Go us: we even manage to fuck up fantasy worlds.
(And, yet again, we get another example of the price of creating sides. At this point, that has to be this year’s story.)
Hold the door.
That episode. THAT ENDING. Sweet Holy God.
I need several stiff drinks right now – one to settle my nerves and the others to raise to the incredible, deeply heroic sacrifices of Summer and Hodor, who died so that Bran and Meera might live. But I’m sitting here in my hotel room and I have nothing. I did not think this through.
I’ll have to go down to the bar or order room service, once I can be certain I won’t tear up in front of a bunch of complete strangers. And luckily, I need to wake up early for work tomorrow! Probably for the best – if I didn’t, I’d just keep raising glass after glass. I can’t pay enough tribute to what I just witnessed.
All of the other scenes were incredible. But everything Beyond the Wall – and especially that final sequence – stands among the greatest drama that Game of Thrones has given us. One of the most heartbreaking and iconic deaths, for certain.
HOLD THE DOOR!
What was that thing the CotF inserted in that guys stomach that turned his eyes blue?
Rest easy: there cannot be more than, say, two more…..
Jack Bauer 24,
Obsidian.
I suspect it was dragon glass
Two words: Timey-Wimey.
Should have either stuck with dogs for the direwolves or went completely CGI. I get the feeling having to work with real wolves and insert them into scenes was a real pain in the ass, and that is why they are killing them off. I’d sacrafice a dragon to save the direwolves. We don’t need Viserion, do we?
So Arya is doing a killing that was most probably paid for Cersei and/ or that maester she protects. How will she feel when/ if she learns about that?
Now that I can think clearly …… FUCKING DAMN IT BRAN… you stupid dumb ass teenager.. YOU JUST HAD TO GO AND FUCK IT ALL UP DIDN’T YOU????? Ok ….. sorry had to get that off my chest.
And I’m STILL having to clear my cashe to see the website… Bad server. BAD.
Best episode this season, of course.
Hodor really does = Hold the Door. Wow.
My husband is glad that the male nudity involved unsexy warts… I mean really? Men… always wanting a woman’s fun ruined… 😉
Nothing really to say. Best acting from Amelia I’ve ever seen. Writers admitting Littlefinger was a sudden idiot. Euron is a bit awkwardly shoehorned into the flying Mach7 plot but he’s a crazy/sexy breath of fresh sea air. Just tons to love, nothing to hate on. Like nothing. I’m confused. What do I post about when I’m so happy? Too much CGI? No King’s Landing (as if, who cares, burn it) *sigh* joyous bliss…
For a minute, I was afraid we’d see Benjen as Bran was walking among the Wights.
#FLAMINGBAGOFPOOCONFIRMED
Jack Bauer 24,
It looked kinda like dragonglass but i’m not sure why that would unleash all-powerful ice magic like we saw. Lots of answers given in this episode but many new questions too.
I haven’t cried like this since the Red Wedding.
The “Hold the Door” idea turned out to be very ironically correct. All the versions here were focused on the Tower of Joy, which is a big reason why it never made sense to me. I love the Timey-Wimey aspect of it.
The tragedy of someone living in their death moment for decades is pretty apocalyptic. I give GRRM shit for Dorne and the Iron Islands, but when he is “on,” he really can knock it out of the park. He crushed that one.
“Terrible things happen to wizards who mess with time,
HarryBran”That won’t be answered beyond the enacted fact that it clearly was part of some major ritual. The obsidian was almost certainly enchanted: but the details of that are all rather moot because they all are made up, anyway.
Sphinx,
Yeah, I bawled my eyes out, and a GoT episode has never made me cry before. ;_;
Because Bran was VPNed (like remotely tapping the network) into Young Hodor’s timeline while simultaneously warging into Old Hodor, the two lives seemed to cross currents and unite as a single mind, which totally blew Young Hodor’s mind. Note that Young Hodor heard Meera yelling in Old Hodor’s timeline even though Bran didn’t say anything.
The Hodor we’ve always known definitely seems happy, all in all, so I don’t believe he’s constantly reliving that one horrible moment over and over.
The President needs to declare a national holiday tomorrow so that the nation can recover from this episode.
Joh,
In GRRM’s defense, he probably thought of it before Rowling was born. The question is, will he publish it before Rowling dies?
This episode was fantastic, I am emotionally drained.
Doesn’t that make it more egregious by pointing out that the show runners either do not understand or worse, do not care, about the relevance of the direwolves to the Stark children? I suppose one could say that since they dropped the Stark warging abilities from all except Bran, it’s only natural that the wolves mean little more than cute pets to the series. Even if they all do end up dying in the books, they will have at least served a purpose in them more than the expendable window dressing they’ve become in the show.
Shaggydog killed offscreen. Summer dives into a pack of bones and is immediately overwhelmed. No Nymeria. And Ghost is mostly a ghost now. Wasn’t even shown leaving with Jon and Co., when his presence alone by his side is proof of Stark blood to the North. He used to be by his side all day when they could use a young, real animal. If that change doesn’t scream budget, I don’t know would.
It’s fine if that’s how the show runners see it. Their call. Doesn’t make it a nice adaptation to the original story though, IMHO.
Wimsey,
It must be a tragedy for you to have missed inferring the Hold the Door element of Hodor. Just in front of your eyes and yet so far far away from them …
So Wylls had a seizure when he was a kid and that’s how Hodor came to be or was this present situation effecting the past?
Some people are going to be very disappointed when TWOW comes out. This scene may or may not be better in the books, but there will be disappointment at some point anyway.
The Bastard,
It seems that way, yes. A feedback loop from Bran being there. GG BRAN! >_>
havent seen it yet but will there be an undead hodor?
Really loving how the Hodor mystery/payoff was hidden in plain sight from the very beginning
I’ve gushed over the episode in the other post and I’m tired now lol. I’ll just say Meera is amazing! And she got a WW kill! I’m still upset over the direwolves.
The Inside the Episode clip is out and it makes me worry even more about the Jon-Sansa relationship.
The preview for next episode looks really underwhelming though. The only saving grace is Queen Meera and Bran. I hope Team Jon makes an appearance.
paramour,
no.. Hodor was attacked by Weights and is pretty much being torn apart
My mind is blown!
I have enjoyed this season, even with a few things that made me go “meh” (mostly Dany stuff) but tonight it was insane.
I have always enjoyed the stories outside the regularly scheduled political intrigue in KL and North. Bran and Arya have had some quieter moments that have slowly built momentum and it’s becoming clear(er) that they are circling back into the fold.
That ending just slayed the whole thing. Perhaps my favorite ending of an episode yet or at least top 3 with “Hardhome” and “Two Swords”.
I have never yelled and wailed at the screen more. Not during the Red Wedding, not during Sansa’s wedding night, not during Ned’s execution. This was just fucking insane.
I am so sad but still, so fucking stunned at how it was all spun. Wow.
Finding out more about the CotF just freaked me the hell out.
Loved the Sansa/Littlefinger moment. Aiden and Sophie were great. I actually believed LF that he didn’t know about Ramsay because Aiden is that good. Nice moment between Jon/Sansa at the end but curious as to why she wouldn’t tell him the truth about the Blackfish and Riverrun. She is smart to not blindly trust, though we know Jon is trustworthy but it’s been a hard lesson learned for her. I understand her fear in general.
Really felt for Dany and Jorah. I am glad he told her about the greyscale and her response humanizes her. I still think she is slipping into madness, too much joy in burning people alive (live Daddy) but that moment was really well done.
Conlieth Hill is amazing. The scene with the new Priestess (Kivar?), Varys and Tyrion was fantastic.
Still all about Tormund the creeper and freaked out Brienne. Ha.
Arya watching the play was another tough one because she knows how wrong they have it. Then spying on the actors. Her realizing the target isn’t a bad person, she isn’t Cersei, brought her back for a moment from No One to the girl who actually saw good in people. The girl who didn’t blindly follow what others wanted. Book Arya, and show Arya to an extent, was shown to care about people no matter their station. She was intrigued by those considered different. She didn’t care if they were noble or peasant. I am so excited to see where this will lead.
And down another Direwolf? What the hell?
Yara is boss taking the whole fleet.
And I continue to think Davos is the unsung hero of this whole story. Which means he will die.
Nobody, at least insofar as we ever will know. Even if they put a name on the person, then what does that tell us?
Timey-Wimey. After all, how did Valen help defeat the Shadows if Sinclair was from the future? Time-transcendence works only if there are 5 dimensions, and if there are 5 dimensions, then there are infinite time streams, within each of which a different history unfolds. Perhaps in the first iteration, Wyllis the Sane Stableboy helps Bran escape: only to be rendered demented while holding the door.
Crap, that was tragic….
OP Meera! OP Yara!
I watched inside the episode, and D&D said that GRR Martin told them thats how Hodor became Hodor, the exact same way as shown this episode.
Entertainment Weekly is updated with a farewell interview with Kristian Nairn. 🙁
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/22/game-thrones-hodor
It’s just amazing how an actor whose vocal contribution to this show has been one word, can be such a tremendous loss to the show when he’s gone. I haven’t been this sad about a death on the show since the Red Wedding. Damn.
Daniellica,
Working with animals is very time consuming and hard to coordinate, plus the CGI budget. Did Summer leaping into a horde of white walkers serve as a necessary plot point? I don’t think so, I think it was just convenient to put more shock and tears into the scene as well as tidy up their shooting schedule for next year while simultaneously allowing more CGI budget to be put into Dany’s dragons.
I doubt that the books will kill off Summer like that, if they did, I wouldn’t be to happy with it either but IMO this seems more like a business decision then anything else.
But, other then that, I really liked the episode. There wasn’t one bad scene in this one at all. Every storyline was on point.
This season overall, so far, has actually been my favorite.
I don’t think the direwolf deaths are a budget/convenience issue. I think their destiny, like Hodor is to die for the Starks. I’m not sure that their deaths in the show will be exactly the same as their deaths in the books, but I don’t think any of them will live till the end. It sucks because animal deaths in fiction always hurt me more than human deaths.
Also, did anyone else notice the Night King smirking when he was walking toward the cave entrance?! HE WAS SMIRKING!!
Wimsey,
Oh, I wasn’t imply anybody ripped off Rowling. I was just making a light joke, because I love both stories, and honestly that line was the first thing that popped into my head.
Time paradox is one of my favorite sci fi/fantasy tropes, and it also creeps me out really badly. It is like loving horror stories and being prone to nightmares after.
HEROdor
That was really hard to watch, I’m actually glad I had some forewarning to get the kleenex handy.
Bravo to Kristian Nairn, we will miss you.
So it seems. Or at least it undoes the Night King’s followers: who knows if it works on the Night’s King himself? It makes a sort of sense: enchanted obsidian made them, unenchanted obsidian kills them.
(Of course, as obsidian is just glass, broken windows should do the trick.)
On the topic of Night things, I have a horrible feeling that this is the last we will see of Edd alive….
Thanks for clarifying… that was kinda what I was saying…but you obviously were much more succinct than I was…
Tyrion Pimpslap,
This is the first comment that’s made me laff since watching this Heart-breaking ending! :o)
Oh, I know! I was just taking advantage of your line to poke fun of His Glacialness’ writing pace.
And, let’s face it: Doctor Who did this stuff before either of them. And Doctor Who did not invent it!
Direwolf Lvr,
Bloody hell… they could have cut the Direwolves entirely! And yes, yes they very well could of, think about it. I bet if they knew how hard they would have to work to pull it off as well as they have, they would have. Thank goodness they had no clue when they started…
George, oh.. George. .. whyyyyyy????? Just can’t breathe well enough to comment. .. other than. .. those of us watching at my house are recalling why we stayed watching in the first place, one never knew what was next. Blindside. Bam.
Yes a fantastic episode. Though I missed the first few minutes and came in when Sansa was opening the scroll. The Hodor scenes were so sad, and the gift of the cloak touching. The kings moot was however a little flat for me. The Dragon horn gave the Moot reason to go with Euron in the books here I felt the iron islanders were just fickle. I think Euron will be good however and can’t wait to see how this plays out. Maybe a certain red priest will grow Theon’s penis back – wouldn’t that be a laugh.
The question I haven’t seen any1 ask yet is will we ever know what’s in the tower now that the Weirwood tree is destroyed… Unless bran learns to tap into some other trees roots and go back but I can’t see him having the time to do that while trying to get back to the wall
Jack Bauer 24,
If they cut out that awful bit where she says something about “seeing the sea” I think that scene would be fine. All in all, they’ve just repeated the dynamic between them over and over about her not knowing things. It’s gotten a little tiring starting in season 5. Now I’m interested in the story line though as Sam moves to the Citadel and she moves to Hornhill.
Direwolf Lvr,
So far all the dire wolves’ deaths have been within a certain narrative framework. I do not see a reason to complain. I do not see why the show runners have to show Ghost when Jon is in a scene. In any case Ghost is still with Jon and we know that Nymeria’s pack is coming too. As long as the story advances without problems I do not see why the dire wolves should have had more scenes than they had. I admit though that there should have been a scene between Jon and Ghost after resurrection.
kells,
Totally agree, with, like, everything here. And I love your points about Arya.
It really gives her so much depth as a character.
Wasn’t that sort of like Superman’s story? I mean wasn’t Kryptonite his achilles heel? The planet he was from was what was his weakness? I forget .. not much of a Superman fan. Im sure someone will correct me if Im wrong. PLEASE do…. 😉
Sansa is really being hypocritical, petty and selfish. And D+D confirmed she doesn’t trust Jon but LF still has a hold over her. She’s so dumb.
The actor/stuntman, who is now playing the Night King, was the man that Leaf turned into a white walker. And it kind of shows us that, there were many close ups of his face to kind of show us that it is him. The FIRST White Walker ever created…..
Dragonglass? It can make them and destroy them? I’m just wildly speculating, as I’m wont to do.
But, so far, the Dire Wolves have not been important to any of the storylines save Bran’s: and Summer’s contribution to was shown. It is possible that Nymmeria or Ghost will become important to Arya’s or Jon’s storylines: but even if that is true, then it is still very possible that they will not make any unique contributions that cannot be made with another plot device.
Still processing but:
Not happy about losing another direwolf. A little concerned about Meera and Bran alone and wandering. But if that figure on the horse is Benjen….
Loved the Kingsmoot. Euron is perfect.
Never expected to lose Hodor.
And poor Jorah is off looking for cure.
So, why the hell did Sansa withhold info to Jon about Littlefinger? It’s not like Jon has any idea who he is, unless Sansa told him. Who thinks Littlefinger is going to try and pit Sansa against Jon?
Loved the theatre troop. Arya can never be no one. Hopefully we’ll see more plays.
Kinavra. You had me at Rh’llor. I hope to see more of her…
Hodor. Poor,poor, Hodor. He held that damn door. And you know what, we didn’t see him die. Just sayin’.
Great episode. Sad to see the season is half over.
Give it up for Leaf, AKA Private Vasquez.
Great minds! Or maybe you can recognize obsidian on sight.
Wimsey,
Yes – be careful what you wish for. . At least Leaf was able to firebomb them, distract them for a bit. Poor Hodor, and watching the past Wyllis having a seizure based on something happening in the present?future? I am very confused, but happy – and can’t wait for it to be next week!
Every other scene in the episode was spot on. Loved Sansa being assertive at the meeting, and her making LF very very uncomfortable. And based on how he was acting, I don’t think he knew anything about Ramsey…..
Arya watching the theatre troupe, watching them make fun of her family. Loved Kingsmoot (considering the Iron story bored me to tears in the books thats saying something)
Need to rewatch that, several times I think
When that music started playing as Hodor was holding the door, made me cry, like legit….
Oh, sure, we could see that. However: we never will know anything about the sacrifice; even if he has a name ending with “Stark,” that still tells us nothing about him. All that we know is that, well, he was involved with people who were eradicating the Children and destroying the weirwoods. That is not much of a character reference!
I didn’t even cry at the Red Wedding. Maybe I have a cold heart but tonight, tonight I fucking balled!
The whole sequence is fantastic. Meera killing the WW was awesome. And how cool when BR told Bran it’s his turn and just evaporated? Amazing. Brutal and amazing.
I don’t know who that kid was that played a young Hodor but he just ended that episode in a most epic fashion. Kudos kiddo! Brilliantly done.
It’s all been written. The ink is dry my friend.
Wimsey,
We better learn more! And did you notice the Night King with a smile on his face as he was walking toward the cave??
Awwww.
Ice spider,
He is a teenager; in fact most of the cast are – which explains a lot, really.
Anybody else notice that the spiral pattern on the stones around the 3EC weirwood tree/the sacrificial site that created the Night’s King matches the pattern of dismembered horses from the Fist of the First Men?
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/6/6b/HorseCorpses_3x03.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130416000005
…so what does this mean?
I feel like tonight firmly shut the door on the second act of the story and threw us full speed into the third. Fucking awesome.
With the CotF and 3ER gone, will we ever learn how simply being north of the wall causes you to rise as a wight after death? Where that power comes from, in other words. It’s inferred that simply dying requires a body burning. But it also emphatically shows the NK raising the dead too. I hope we come to know that, in show or books at least.
And how the NK was/is able to see and touch a vision of Bran. Even the CotF didn’t seem to have that power. Who were they that hey could create such a creature as a WW? That’s what I would find immensely interesting.
DireWolfHeart,
it means…” Oooo… pretty…”
What worked in that scene for me was Theon’s speech about why Yara should rule.
It is just natural glass formed by melting quartz or sandstone. It has a pretty distinctive breakage pattern because glass is not a crystal: technically, it’s a liquid! So, there are no cleavage planes. That results in the concave breakings. You also see it in flint and flint, which is semi-crystalized silicon dioxide, too. The difference is in the formation: one is through melting, the other is through chemical processes.
I have read absolutely no spoilers for upcoming seasons, but look at the pieces of info….
1. They are trying to show Sansa still slightly under Littlefingers control.
2. They have also shown that Robin Arryn will listen to anything Littlefinger says.
3. They have set it up in Season 3 that Robin can also be controlled by Sansa.
4. It has been mentioned that Sansa doesn’t have her army yet.
5. Tyrion said that Sansa was not a killer, yet…..
Add all of those things up, and what do you get? Sansa is either going to kill Littlefinger herself and Robin will be okay with it. Or she will get Robin to have somebody kill him for her.
Either way, she will control the Vale’s army.
Anyone is smelling Jon and Sansa feud? LF comment about him being half-brother and not brother, Sansa lying to him about Littlefinger and other things. This will have some repurcussions later with Ramsay.
DireWolfHeart,
Looks like a spiral galaxy, strangely enough. Not sure the relevance, if any.
Icekhione,
She is truly her mother’s daughter. 🙁
I’m heartbroken.
I look at it from Sansa’s POV. She made it clear she does not trust LF and does not want his help. Telling Jon “Littlefinger told me when I met him in secret in Molestown” would just lead to her having to tell them he was offering the support of the Vale Army. An army that could just as easily with them as against them.Should she have been honest? Sure, its always the best policy and yes there will be some VERY tense moments if (when) Jon finds out but on the other hand, do we know for sure that Jon isnt making a few “omissions” of his own?
This is new for both of them. Family bond is strong, but these two are almost complete strangers that have to learn to trust one another and that will take time and be a bumpy ride
Geralt of Rivia,
Yeah and Sansa saying Jon was Ned’s son as much as Ramsey was Roose’s, which I think was well meaning, but comparing Jon to Ramsey couldn’t have sat well with him.
I think it’s an odd angle to be honest and don’t know how I feel about it. I would find it hard to believe that there would be distrust between the two.
Nah Sansa is a player now. She’s keeping her cards close and don’t want that information flying around just yet. She trust Jon but not everyone around him perhaps.
Ned never told Jon the whole truth. Some things are just best left unsaid.
Definitely wight Hodor.
Simon,
That was my only quibble with the episode. The lack of the dragon binding horn. I mostly approve of how Euron is a little more understated than in the books. I find Roose and Tywin far more chilling than Ramsay and Joffrey and I appreciated that they’ve made him more like the former villains on the show. But damnit, I wanted to see the horn!
Geralt of Rivia,
Definitely! It’s GoT tradition for a Stark to mess things up for another family member lol.
Connor,
The problem is that who the person was really is just historical trivia at this point. They don’t have time to develop the character in any meaningful way. Moreover, what would we gain from it?
But I think that we might need to ask: what else did they create? Again, I really am wondering if we won’t learn that R’hllor is an artifact of their fight against the Walkers. This reminds me of the Australians bringing in all sorts of different animals to deal with pests: with each new one brought in to eradicate the previous eradicator! Perhaps Thrones is one big metaphor for Cane Toads.
So Children of The Forest break the Pact? They made White Walkers to revenge. The Long Night happened many thousands of years after the Pact so CotF wanted new war and their lands back? But Walkers get lose and sh*t hit the fan?
If someone I had been watching this ep with had yelled “This is just like Krull!” at that moment it would have been the only thing that could have stopped the tears and caused me to burst into laughter.
I suspect the Night’s King mark on Bran will have repercussions more epic than the most gargantuan CGI battle that HBO’s money could buy.
I also suspect Jorah is heading north by northwest, and I wonder if he’ll run into any of those wacky fun lovin’ Greyjoys along the way? For the first time in a while I feel good about Ser Jorah’s chances of surviving this hot mess.
weirwoodtreehugger,
The horn would be too Deus ex Machina.
I did like Euron pulling a Trump and boasting about his genitalia during the debate. Or did Trump pull a Euron?
I don’t think I’ve cried since high school, but todays episode was quite something. Probably the saddest thing I’ve seen on tv ever. Kudos to George RR Martin, Dave, Dan. Kristin Nairn and baby Hodor for pulling of such a magnificent, yet heartbreaking scene. Managed to touch an unemotional German machine like
Wow, all of the Inside the Episode clip is particularly interesting this week, although they are always insightful.
Indeed! There is a Bildungsroman element to Thrones. It’s not a true example: but it’s there nonetheless.
selena,
And that is different from the fresh kills converting to wights in Hardhome… how?
I took this to mean that the patterns/arrangements originated with the CotF, and thus their magic or perhaps even part of their consciousness is present within the WW.
My question is, did they create them to help save them but then could not control them? Were they destroyed by the first men, or by their own creations? Did they have to team up with the first men to help stop them, hence the treaty? What remains of them is clearly fighting against them, so obviously something(s) went very, very wrong.
How is no one interested in what the implications are for Bran being able to affect the past? Does everyone think this is a one-off event or something?
Inside the Episode implied (not explicit, though) that he was the Night’s King.
Just waaaaaaaaaaaaaa too much reading to try and cram in one night.. going to watch episode again.. nite nite..
Meera is a badass.
Also, I wonder whose voice spoke when Varys parts were thrown in the flames, and what did it say.
That was awkward. She lasted one episode before starting to revert, however little, back into being what she asked Jon to forgive. The fact that she didn’t tell Jon her entire story of how she came to be at Winterfell is troubling. And that Brienne, while rightly cold to LF, didn’t bring up the fact that he tried to arrest her in that tavern.
I’m hoping its that Sansa wants to play/revenge on LF herself for what was done to her. But who knows?
Kinvara knew of Varys and what happened to him with the sorcerer. 0_0
wait hold on, Was Ghost in the episode ? 0_o
Fun fact about obsidian, it’s made during volcanic eruptions. In the US, it can still be found in places impacted by the last eruption of the supervolcano under Yellowstone. Basically, it’s a fire weapon. Even though it doesn’t look very firey with its black color. Since Dragonstone is pretty clearly an active volcano, I’m thinking that there’s some obsidian there and the location will come back into play.
I’m really wondering if the obsidian candle at the Citadel will be in the show. I hope so! I was really hoping that Kinvara would mention it, since Quaithe did in the books, but that character appears to have been written out of the show.
Arthur,
Agreed about Summer (empty death). Whereas Hodor is obvious grrm.
I have to say that the LF and Sansa scene was everything I’d hoped for. Teleportation accepted ? Sansa asked all the right questions and “you’re an idiot or you’re my enemy” was what I thought as a viewer. Vale army encamped at MC (whew). Sending Brienne was an obvious mistake (for Sansa) that brings RL back in play and my favorite affc story. What can I say, I like Robin Hood. A+
@Mihnea the ship move post Kingsmoot was awesome. I can forgive the lack of a dragon horn. Love this original idea for Asha (Osha is gone so…) and Theon.
Hodor went out more g than Grenn. Wait no, those…hmm..grenn…both the best.
Questions: 1) Why did Bran need BR’s tree root to greensee? 2) How did Euron win the kingsmoot but lose all his ships and 3/4 houses? 3) Now that Meera is alone with Bran…can we expect either Benjen or CH to appear? 4) BR, Hodor, Summer, (all?) the cotf…at least 2 of these (hodor/summer) are now confirmed wights (imo). BR seemed to get Kenobi’d in time to prevent reanimation and Leaf went all Aliens so I don’t think she’s coming back. I don’t know how I feel about wight Summer and Hodor?
I think there has to be something that breaks this wide open. She didn’t have LF killed by Brienne because, like D or D said in the Inside The Episode, she is thinking three steps ahead. But also, as much as she feels betrayed by him, she also agreed to his plan to go to the Boltons. She doesn’t want to need him but thinks she might, so she spared him. What will officially break the straw is if she finds out he betrayed her Mother and Father (in KL). Someone has to know about this and I think it will be that, and not her time with the Boltons, that will seal his fate.
And we all know who knows about LF betraying the Starks way back in Season 1. Someone who was in the throne room when it happened. Someone glued to the King’s side.
She trusts no one, and for very good reason. Its going to take a while before she can be. I didn’t get the feeling she was selfish; she was being assertive, which for her was a nice change.
Oh and as much as I loved the direwolves in the books, and wanted to see more of them in the show, it didn’t bother me that they weren’t used as much. Hope that Ghost goes with Jon tho
I do love time slip stories like this – plays with our head and gets us thinking of multiple time lines and multiple universes. Anything is possible….Well played, D&D
NK,
It looks more like we have a “the creation turns against his creator” storyline here. For what I understand in the show universe, the First Men were killing the children of the forest and they created the white walker to use them as weapon, but the war ended and the peace pact was sealed. Years later, the White Walker went out of control and the Long Night happened
That was one hell of an episode. Pretty much hit all the right notes for me. And its funny, in most previous seasons Kings Landing was far and away my favorite location, it wasn’t even in this episode and I was thrilled. It meant more time for the storylines that are just killing it this year.
Also, finally getting some of solid information on the White Walkers after 17 years (…damn, I feel old) was just the best. I really hope that isn’t the end of it either. And I suspect it won’t be. I think there will be at least one more info dump on the WW this season, explaining more about what they’re up to now and/or how the CotF lost control of them.
I don’t think it’ll be a vision either, I think it’ll be from Benjen; who I think Bran and Meera are going to run into. (I don’t see another way for them to survive without him; there’s probably literally no other humans alive north of the Wall anymore). Benjen’s been hanging out north of the Wall for over 5 years now; there has to be a reason he’s been up there and he has to have been doing something.
Hodor! ?????
Summer! ?????
How horrible!
Matthew The Dragon knight,
I didn’t see Ghost, and I definitely didn’t see him leaving with Jonsa and Co. For my fragile emotional state’s sake right now, I’m just going to assume he left out the gate with them at Castle Black.
OK… had time to calm down and acknowledge losing Hodor and Summer.
Excellant episode, but… (And I’ll take the hate) ..the Kingsmoot left me feeling unimpressed and I definately don’t think the guy playing Euron is a good actor. No screen presence and almost forgetable at this stage. Sorry
In book (and I think show) canon, obsidian is dragonglass, which implies it is only created through dragonfire, the same as Valyrian steel (dragonsteel). I suspect that raw dragonfire would also do the trick. It will be fun to find out.
Stop saying all that dolorous stuff, Wimsey, especially about Dolorous Edd.
Oh, I am sure that is who the man became! The question raised was: who was he? However, I don’t think that is a meaningful question within the context of the story. Whether he was the leader of the First Men or just a captured soldier, it’s the same: he was bewitched by the Children to fight against the First Men. And he did: but also against the Children, the Giants, and (basically) all comers.
So, does this give us any further clues as to what he wants? Does he want to be human again? Does he just want revenge?
And how did the Prince stop him in the past? What was the Children’s plan to control their first control? I suppose that they could just create another magical superbeing: I mean, that worked out so well the first time….
Bran was thrown out of the tower in the first chapter of the first book. He is the most important character in the entire story….
@ Lorien Mizar
Didn’t think it that way. So they created Walkers and didn’t use them, because The Pact happened. Then they restored them in the fridge and thousands of years later Walkers break lose and started Long Night. Makes sense and is more lore friendly.
the Weights didnt raise the dead at Hardhome, the NK did.
If Hodor was gonna become a Weight they would have shown it like they did Karsie.
Whole purpose of that final scene would be defeated he just came back as some random zombie
I think they might have telegraphed that Dany isn’t going to make it back to Mereen, or at least not soon. Or else why would they have Tyrion plotting some more? She’s not very far from Mereen.
Ginevra,
Yeah it foreshadows a lot of things. I remember in George’s original outline, Sansa was set to betray her family. I wonder and worry that he has kept that storyline and we will see it play out in season 6 and maybe 7.
Just watched it. Holy fucking shit. Holy fucking shit. Holy fucking shit.
Remind me please, did we actually see what happened to the Three Eyed Raven, or can we take it for granted that his watch in the Lands of Always Winter has ended?
I think of it as a biological weapon that got out of control. The CotF only meant for them to kill the men who were trying to kill them. It didn’t work out. Just like a virus, the WW are deadly to everyone and like a virus, once it’s unleashed, you can’t control what it does.
I’m very interested in that, but my mind is still spinning, and I want to watch the episode, again, before I say much of anything…other than, oh, yeah, I’d forgotten about that, or, yeah, that was funny. The one thing I can say is I think they picked the perfect director to handle this particular material.
weirwoodtreehugger,
Stannis told Sam there was a bunch of Dragonglass on Dragonstone in the episode where he told him to keep reading.
You are the only person to mention Jon’s Small Council here. Through all of the craziness that was this episode, people didn’t realize that this was the rightful King’s first small council meeting.
Only disappointment was no Dragonbinder, but wow, what an episode. Sorry to whoever else dies in the future, but there will never be a death more heroic than Hodor. That man gave everything to Bran, as did Summer. He better be an important part of winning this war.
Someone else pointed it out already, but the guy with the obsidian heart is the Night’s King. We know he can make other White Walkers himself because we saw him do it to Craster’s sons. It could be the only ones we’ve seen destroyed by dragon glass and Valyrian steel are secondaries that he created. We don’t know that dragon glass can kill him. We definitely know fire cannot. Their presence puts out fire. We saw them walk right through it both here and at Hardhome.
I can’t wait to find out who rescues Bran and Meera next episode. Has to either be Coldhands or Benjen. They’ve almost given away everything now. Those and Jon’s parentage are the last mysteries left. Do we really think those were the last of the Children of the Forest? Are there no others? Did they really all just die to save Bran? What importance is Bran going to have? Just being able to remote view and warg isn’t enough to win a war. We learned he can change the past, though. Did anyone else notice young Hodor’s eyes going white? Bran was warging him in both timelines at once. The power to change the past can be a real game changer.
The last thing this calls into question is the nature of the R’hllor religion. I think we just learned they’re wrong. There is no Great Other. The Children created the Others. Does the Red God even exist? And if not, where does their power come from? How are Thoros and Melisandre able to resurrect the dead? How are they able to use greensight in fire? How is it related to Bran being able to do the same using weirwood?
Yeah, I suspect that dragon fire could create obsidian. After all, I think that intense lightning strikes can do so. You also get it around meteor strikes. However, both books and show mention that there basically are rock formations of obsidian near Dragonstone. I had assumed that it forms there as it does here: and thus that dragon fire was an additional way to get it. (I mean, it would work here, too: but, dragons.)
As for Edd, well, Pink Letter….
This episode gutted me. I…I…
Hold the door.
Loved it! So glad I’m seeing Alfie Allen in a play in July. Boy, is he a good actor! He gave me chills when he turned to Yara.
What an episode! My favorite, I think.
Wow. Just wow. Such an incredible episode. Truly a remarkable hour of television. Plus the inside the episode feature after the show was crazy informative about the scenes dealing with the 3ER and Bran. I needed to learn about Bran’s ability to impact the past events and came across this article. Well worth the read for those interested
http://www.vox.com/2016/5/22/11722146/game-of-thrones-season-6-recap-hodor-dies-bran-time-travel
I seriously need to drink some sleepy time tea and calm myself down after the whirlwind of emotions I just felt. Hodor’s story was so tragic and I can’t comprehend D&D’s desire to kill off all the direwolves this season. I hope to go through the comments tomorrow and see everyone’s thoughts on the episode. Until then, sleep well my fellow WotW commentators!
I’m so happy that I’ve been mostly off the interwebs for a day or so and didn’t even know about the leak! And I usually don’t drop by until after the episode (when I watch, it’s all lights off, a bowl of popcorn, no computer, and total immersion :).
I thought it was an OUTSTANDING episode, and I sobbed when I realized what was happening to Wyllis (I can’t call him Hodor anymore, it’s just too tragic). And Summer. Please, no more killing off the direwolves. My heart can’t take it.
My first-impression thoughts (sorta long, but I think a lot 🙂
Sansa/Littlefinger/Wall: Glad to see her stand up to him – she’s found her voice and is certainly no longer the weakling that Cersie belittled. But – I fear – she was foolish to turn down the help of the Vale’s army. I suspect they turn up at the battle of Winterfell to help, and then we’ll see some sort of reconciliation. I had hoped that she would fess up to Jon later 1:1. Still, her wolf embroidery was a highlight, and I’m still digging the Tormound/Brienne interactions.
Arya/HOB&W: I enjoyed this, because it showed how invested she still is in her family and that she’s still hung onto her humanity/sense of right and wrong. Sure she wants to kill people, but only those she thinks will deserve it. She may remain adamant that she wants to be a FM, but there were lots of hints dropped throughout the sequence that it’s not in the cards. Although for the assassination, Jaquen’s threat was basically “her or you”.
I like what’s happening here but still want it to start tying back into the Game.
Bran/Hodor: Interesting to learn that the WW’s were created by the COTF, but not sure it changes much. We got a hint two weeks ago that the veil between Bran’s and the past isn’t a shield (when he called out to his father), but I really didn’t expect that to manifest again so soon, or such a sad way.
So…Bran had already changed the future and didn’t know it. Perhaps it will be a lesson that teaches him how to use the vision power wisely. But I’m still sniffling.
Yara/Theon/Euron: Theon was amazing. You can see his strength returning, and I think he’s the perfect person to stand beside a strong leader. His character has become one of my favorites. I like Yara too, she’s tough as nails but has loyalty and heart. I burst out laughing upon seeing most of the fleet sail away.
But it leaves a big question that I CAN’T WAIT to find out…where do they go? Yara doesn’t really know anyone else with a major plotline. Theon only really knows Sansa and Ramsay (haha). My prediction: both Theon and Yara have a score to settle with Ramsay. I think they’ll play a role in the battle of Winterfell. This is good forward movement in merging storylines.
Dany/Jorah: Another tearjerker. When Dany forgets her title-listing and “breaking the wheel” speeches and acts more human, it’s when I like her best. Indeed, after rewatching last week, her short walk with the young Dosh Khaleen girl is one of my favorite scenes with her. Just two girls giggling.
I was glad to see Jorah admit the truth (though with Daario knowing, it would’ve come out soon anyways). I can’t help but remember that somehow Shireen’s grayscale was stopped. I still have hope. But I found his pronouncement of love a slightly creepy. I’d always hoped he was some sort of secret cousin and his affection/loyalty was more paternal than romantic. Oh well. It was still really moving and well done. Scenery was incredible.
I had one moment of suspended disbelief: when did Urban Outfitters open in Vaes Dothrak? Dany’s black v-neck sleeveless tee was cute and stylish, but…
Tyrion/Varys/Kinvara: Okay, I love Tyrion. But IMHO this hasn’t been his most interesting season and I thought this exchange was slow. Thankfully Varys stepped in to brighten it up. Kinvara didn’t really give me a strong mystical vibe until maybe the very end. I have to admit that during the scene I kept thinking she would’ve fit in better on a Baywatch halloween episode.
I’m looking forward to Dany returning to Meereen, closing up shop (perhaps leaving the Red Priestess and her priests to keep the slavers in check) and heading out to take the Iron Throne.
Overall, I loved the episode and think this season is stupid amazing. I can’t believe we’re halfway through it! More episodes please!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lS3ktcPU5iI
Wimsey,
As for Edd, well, Pink Letter….
Knowing Dolorous Edd, he’ll go out with a smile and a wink. A class act all the way, our Edd.
Is any one else interested in the pauses that Jon gave at things Sansa said? Like about her having the Stark name. I think they might be building up her ambitions to be queen/Wardeness. Also the emphasis again on Jon being a half brother. Reminding us of his origins ahead of episode 10.
I thought it while watching the scene but then…. Ya know…
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Wimsey,
Wimsey, evidently you are I may be two of the few who didn’t judging by some posts on the spoiler thread:
Yeah there were bunch of people on the forums and youtube who guessed that children of the forest created ww to fight the humans but they could not contro them/ they got out of their control so they set to destroy them later instead.
It’s interesting that, when there is no record of predictions, how manymore people seem to be able to predict things correctly, than when records are kept … 🙂
Yes and no. They threw some goldish paint on him and called him Summer.
If Sansa “betrays” or works against Jon, I think works against the ENTIRE point of her arc – to not turn against family like she did in season 1 for the sake of power. I’m not really sure how she could NOT trust Jon, as someone who was killed for trying to do the right thing.
Still, I’m ok with a little friction between the two if they’re still working towards a common purpose. But a Sansa still under LF’s sway and not fully trusting Jon is not going to work that well for me.
Also the weirdest thing about this all is that Jon has to be forced to take back Winterfell – he clearly has no designs on being the Warden of the North, he’s not ambitious. And if Sansa believes she has a better claim, I REALLY think Jon would step aside, she doesn’t need to turn on him with LF.
I.e., Cane Toads from Hell.
Yara didn’t have enough super delegates to win the Ironborn party nomination.
Adam,
I’m on board with the theory that Bran’s so important because somehow he’s the one who built the Wall in the first. Either he is the Bran the Builder by learning how to manifest himself in the past or he convinced that Bran to do it.
I think its entirely possible that Bran isn’t going to end up important in this war. But that he’s important because he needs to be alive long enough in the present to make all the changes in the past necessary to prevent the White Walkers from wiping everyone out long before the present ever happens.
And I also kinda think that once he’s done all that, he’ll end up dying in the North, without anyone, other than maybe Meera, ever knowing what he did or why it was so important.
But that’s all massive speculation of course.
Spoilers? My God dude…you’re a good poster, but you have loose lips sometimes with the spoilers.
It would make sense, though, for the CotF to create a weakness in their creation using a material they have access to, but is not incredibly common. We know they used to make weapons out of dragonglass, but pre-WW or just post? We know they used it in this magical ritual, and maybe it was considered more of a magical item in the past, and that by using it to create the WW it builds in the weakness. Or maybe the NK can only be killed by bran warging into the NK at his creation and altering those events/sacrificing himself at the same time to save the whole frakkin world. Maybe maybe maybe maybe.
Apologies. The person I watch this with isn’t into discussion. When I asked about the Bran/time thing, all he said was, “Maybe he goes back to save his dad and saves Ned Flanders instead and the rest of GoT is reruns of the Simpsons.”
*cries*
In the book canon, the Night’s King was a Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch and likely a Stark, who was seduced by someone who seemed to be an Other. Was this white-skinned, cold-as-ice-to-the-touch, and blue-star-eyed seductress a Child of the Forest (Leaf) and not an Other? Or is show canon just going a completely different route from book canon (more likely, I think)?
The Red Wedding and Shireen burning were the two most surprising episodes for me (I had not read the books until after season 3). This was the saddest. Easily. Just heartbreaking watching what was happening to Wylis and maybe even more heartbreaking watching Bran realize what he did/was doing to the poor kid.
LMFAO. I was sad until I read this. Fucking hilarious. Euron is Trump. Lol.
Just going back and looking at a pic of baby Summer looking up at Bran before his tower fall is enough to wrench your heart out. Can’t stand it.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Sorry. It’s actually speculation, so it’s a bit different.
Yeah, the North absent from the preview again. I am really worried now. Jon has done nothing so far this season and there is nothing yet to indicate that things will be different in the future. Wasn’t Jon supposed to be doing more stuff than ever? It sounds like BS to me now. I am going to be so pissed if the only use they have for him this season is to fight a battle, to the exclusion of all character development.
But Bran stuff looks like it will continue to be great, something to look forward to
I’m actually quite intrigued by the question, “was the NK a Stark?” If he was,
I can’t begin to suggest what it could mean, or where it could lead, but for me, at least, it’s definitely something worth pondering.
Demon Monkey,
In seeing Sansa, it struck me how much her motivations and modus operandi could become like LF if she allowed her dark side to come out. LF was motivated by revenge for what he sufferred at the hands of Brandon Stark (including the loss of the love of his life). Sansa is motivated by revenge for what she suffered at the hands of Ramsey (and Cersei and Joffrey). She is practicing deceit like LF even when it appears that there is no need. I don’t think she will go that route. But as it season 5 where she was dressing exactly like him, even now unknowingly she appears to me to be emulating him yet again.
At first I didn’t like Sansa lying, but then I realized that it’s a little naive of me to think that Jon and Sansa will become all lovey-dovey best buds suddenly. Like you said, it will take time, and mistakes will be made. GRRM is very realistic, and as much as Sansa and Jon may want everything to be perfect in their relationship suddenly, it’s not gonna be.
Now I’m just totally convinced we got this amazing Jon/Sansa reunion because they’re going to feud at some point – Sansa/Vale vs. Jon, and that’s also the point of her WOW book storyline in the Vale.
WAHHHH if D&D turn Sansa against Jon because of LF I’ll cry forever. Plus I think people will hate her forever.
Flayed Potatoes,
Fair enough. It’s a weird angle, one that I didn’t think of (regarding Sansa). It might have started to play out in this episode.
Daniellica,
Brans influence over Hodor has interesting implications however if he must warg the person in the future to change the past it doesn’t seem that useful a power. I’m not say he can’t influence in ways we don’t know but it seems Bran can only change what he already changed, rather than take events down a different path.
Flayed Potatoes,
Sansa did that in Season 1…and for the same reason as in that outline
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Maybe LF’s remarks “trust no one” “half brother” and tutelage are beginning to show, plus given what she learned at KL, it is easy for her to see enemies where they aren’t as well as where they are (not too dissimilar from Cersei)
Yara is Hillary. Who is Theon? Lincoln Chaffee?
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I think it’s quite likely that the NK is a Stark, considering how much this story revolves around them.
ghost of winterfell,
Same here. This is supposed to be his storyline. No offense to the other characters lmao, but he’s not supposed to be Sansa’s lap dog. I want to see him shine when they go recruit the houses.
Looking at all the serious things Bran and Jon have to deal with right now makes Sam’s family drama seem so…unimportant. And they’re trying to make such a big deal out of Gilly being a Wildling, you’d think it’s life or death lol.
Direwolf Lvr,
Or as someone else said, maybe she doesn’t want to tell Jon and Davos because they’ll override her and bring LF into the fold? But I think if her and Brienne told them he couldn’t be trusted, they would listen.
How sad will it be for Jon though when he realizes the sister he’s going to war for again, right after DYING and coming back, is lying to him.
Just had a horrible thought: What if the Greyjoys land in Dorne and get bored to death?
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Darkrobin,
Meh I don’t see her being that dumb. It would be a pretty big stretch for me to believe that LF could turn her against Jon.
selena,
Thanks!
Unlike many I don’t see that as a massive betrayal because of her age there. But yes she did unknowingly mess a few things up. It’s like how some people blame Arya for wasting those 3 kills Jaqen gave her, when she was just a scared child. If that makes sense.
One little curiosity/nitpick. Didn’t we hear from Yara that Moat Cailin had been retaken by the North? If so, who retook it and who are they sworn to? Just thinking of the implications of that since that is where Littlefinger said the Vale army is. Would they send a raven to Ramsay to let him know Littlefinger has an army there in the North
Yup, Jon definitely had a funny expression on his face as he watched Sansa talk about Northern loyalties and that she is the Stark to rally them.
Fez,
That’s an interesting take on Bran’s arc.. Bran is now BR, present Hodor/past Hodor in the same moment.
Will all post’s first comment now be “hold the door”?
Alot of reveals tonight, much to wrap ones head around…
RIP Hodor
Nadia,
I don’t see as much of a reason for tension on the show as in the books. In the books, it is
Fez,
Good point about Benjen. In the season trailors, there’s someone who comes with fire-on-a-chain to save Meera (and I assume Bran). Some have speculated it’s that guy from the books (too lazy to put in spoiler tags lol), but personally I think they’ll merge that story line with Benjen and he comes along to save the day.
Also interesting to note that the episode included multiple mentions of Jon, e.g. him not having the Stark name or of him being a “half brother”. I don’t know the laws in Westeros, but I’m guessing Benjen, Bran or Tommen are the only three left who can bestow the name to Jon. It’s also possible that Benjen knows the truth about R+L=J.
After the first three relatively quiet episodes, # 4 and now 5, have just been out of this world. A breathless episode, jam-packed with happenings. I loved the Ironborn scenes, and it’s so nice to see Theon being Theon once again and having some kind of purpose. The entire Hodor time loop, and Bran was just incredibly tragic. What an irony that Hodor served the person who had made him Hodor. Also, I couldn’t figure out why Bran (and Bloodraven) stupidly stayed on at past Winterfell watching Ned and Benjen and Co. when such momentous events were going on in the cave. Bran’s delay and addiction to his visions cost Hodor, Summer, BR, the CotF their lives. I think Bran will die at the end. Hopefully he doesn’t start warging Meera now!
Sansa becoming a playa! Interesting to see how far she goes. All she is interested in is getting back Winterfell, and using everyone, including Jon, for that goal. No worries about Winter, WWs at all……
Jorah and Daenerys (her new dress is simply AWESOME!) I hope he finds a cure – otherwise, too sad.
I was happy about no King’s Landing.
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I don't think you should worry about who Sansa trusts. She made it pretty clear this episode that she fully wants to be with Jon and will go wherever he goes. With her brother around, I don't think Littlefinger has a chance to manipulate her any longer.
ghost of winterfell,
Ins’t thuis already set up in all the tales about the NK being a lord commander who fell in love with a magical creature with ice blue eyes. Obviously there is more to this story than meets out we peepers. The question is what?
The whole time line is also weird. If the wall was built after the war for the dawn how then could the first night king be Bran the builders younger brother and the nights watch commander? Clearly the WW were a threat before this and the land of always winter already in existence.
Nadia,
He’ll just shrug his shoulders and sigh, “Like mother like daughter”?
selena,
Good catch, and just one of several references tonight to the first season, all of which (at least the ones I caught) were fascinating.
Ah, but that is not quite correct. In the book canon, that is the a fairy tale that they tell about what happened, not actual “history.” Remember, it is also book canon that some people (e.g., the Westerosi of Andal descent) think that the White Walkers never existed in the first place.
The book also has one other very important canon here: the fairy tales are all 99% lies. So, the question is: what is the 1% truth?
By the way, I have found the best rating of tonight’s episode yet.
This episode gets 1 Fry’s Dog….. 🙁
Kay,
Why they stayed, because BR wanted Bran to be aware of the cost in meddling in time can have. I also think he was showing him other things we are not yet aware of.
LatrineDiggerBrian,
Perhaps, but she believed his BS about taking control of her destiny by marrying the son of the man who killed her brother and plot ended up killing her mother … when he left her with no protection … no guards … no anything … whether he knew Ramsay was a monster or not is not relevant to my mind … he left her in the midst of people who killed her family without any protection whatsoever. He is the master manipulator and what I got from the “half brother” comment was that he was manipulating her to assert her dominance … as his plans may require her as Wardeness of the North not another Stark … so if that means creating friction … he will create friction if he can …
simon,
The book NK and this NK seem to be different. The book NK is clearly not the first WW to be created, unlike show NK. Since the Wall was already in existence at that time.
NOOOO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN:
“It’s funny because even as she’s trying to make a clean break with Littlefinger, Sansa is showing us the ways in which Littlefinger has shaped her way of looking at the world. The decision not to tell Jon about the meeting with Littlefinger, not to tell Jon how she knows abut the Blackfish…if she really trusted Jon and she really was coming at this as a clean, pure Stark, she would tell the truth to her brother and the person to whom she has real allegiance at this point. But for whatever reason she holds back on that, and I think that shows Littlefinger still has some kind of a hold on Sansa.”
-DB Weiss
Sometimes I freaking hate this show. Sansa not trusting Jon? FFS
Honestly makes me think the cloak scene is manipulation in a bit. She lies to him, she doesn’t actually totally trust him and Brienne calls her out for it, so she makes Jon a pretty coat and he is totally clueless to her lies and she smiles and makes nice. That’s what she learnt to do after all
No idea, but the pattern is the same as the arms in a spiral galaxy (like our own “Milky Way”) !
So perhaps life on the planet where Westeros and Essos form the main land masses were ‘seeded’ by extraterrestrials who left behind some of their knowledge of the universe 😉
Great episode. Ending was incredible. Hodor’s story is so very sad.
I prefer what the show is doing with the Greyjoys. The novel version,
The show’s version is straightforward: Of course Euron would go after Yara and Theon, who would run away with the fleet. Will they try to beat Euron to Dany?
Sansa and Jon worry me. I do not like unnecessary complications, one reason why the last two books sucked for me. Why doesn’t Sansa trust Jon? Why would she hide Littlefinger’s presence? Why would she say nothing about the Vale army? Jon’s her general; they’re on the same side, so the obvious thing is to tell him. It sounds like they’re trying to create drama which is unneeded; there’s drama enough.
Well, again, one important point that comes up again and again: the fairy tales are mostly lies. So, what (if anything) is true in this story? Obviously the Night King was not seduced by a female Other. But, what is true?
Again, that is the story told 1000’s of years later. It’s not “historical truth.” It might (like King Arthur or Robin Hood) have remnants of truth in it, but at this point, it is almost entirely fiction. Other peoples in these books think that all of this is made up: according to the Maesters, White Walkers never existed. OK, that’s wrong: but it also means that the old fairy tales are far, far from historical facts at this point.
This is basically the Tower of Joy all over again. There, we learned that the nice fairy tale changed a couple of key details. But that was for a recent event. When events are this old, then almost all of the details will have been redone.
It has not come up as much on the show as it has in the books, but Jon has to know that all of these Wildlings are not going to endear their side to the Northerners.
Sansa hate is strong with this chat lol
everyone is so focused on what she DIDNT tell Jon and isnt looking at what she DID tell him. She told him about The Blackfish. She didnt quietly send Brienne to Riverrun to bring HER an army, she told Jon so that the appeal for help would come from BOTH of them, not just Sansa.
and if, deep down, she does feel a bit more secure knowing she will have soliders that will be more loyal to her then Jon, I cant fault her for that He is a powerful man now and she is for all intents at his mercy. WE know she is safer then she has been since she left WF but having been through what she has, she is in survival mode and no one is going to have her complete trust for a long time
“Try not to knock it down.” Anyone think the wall might be coming down sooner than later!
ThisGirlHasNoName,
“You could talk. What happened?”
“Hodor.”
Says it all really…. Gutted. Best episode ever hands down.
Brandon,
Sheesh, I’ve been saying that for months!
😀
Man that Hodor scene at the end left me depressed…..
I want to watch the episode again, but at the same time XDDD
After actually watching the episode I’m even more confused by all the harsh criticism of Sansa from the previous thread. She’s just starting to play “The Game of Thrones” after enduring a horrific ordeal (or rather many) and maybe she’s not quite sure who she should trust, but its good to see her playing an active role in her own life and having some agency for once. She’s no longer someone else’s pawn, not even Little Fingers. I’m not sure why anyone is expecting Sansa to have all the right answers and make all the right moves right away. I do feel like her not trusting Jon completely will be an issue and is most likely a mistake, but I can’t say I blame her entirely.
The last time she thought she was “safe” with family, it didn’t end well for her, and before this her and Jon weren’t exactly close. I think Sansa still has her guard up when it comes to “fully” trusting anyone, and its completely understandable for someone who has been through what she has. Despite making a lot of progress where Little Finger is concerned, I do think she still sort of fell victim to his manipulation when he made that snide remark about Jon only being her “half brother.” That probably further magnified her trust issues, hence keeping Jon in the dark about Riverrun.
I think Sansa WANTS to trust Jon fully, and I think she’s very genuine in her interactions with him, we saw her making him Stark clothes, but she’s had the rug pulled out from underneath her way too many times after she believed she was “safe.” I think she’s just being very careful. Of course Little Finger is the kind of snake who takes advantage of even the smallest weakness or insecurity, so I won’t be surprised if we see him continue to prey on Jon and Sansa’s new and fragile relationship. To expect Sansa to put all her faith and complete trust in Jon (whom she barely had a relationship with until now) just because we the audience know Jon to be a relatively good person, is unrealistic after all the betrayal she’s dealt with. I think Jon and Sansa have to build that trust, and I think (hope) that after the events of this season, they will.
I loved the Kingsmoot, it was great to see Theon looking like Theon again. I can’t believe I’m actually excited to see how this plays out.
The Hodor stuff is wow. I don’t even have the words for it right now.
JCC,
Agreed. Kudos to Jack Bender on this one.
Darkrobin,
As it is you can find many evidence of theories pointing in this direction. There is one quite interesting theorie wich embedded the possible implication of the children of the forrest into the others creation. You can find it here: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/61632-book-tv-spoilers-what-are-the-others/
Hope it’ll help you hold the door.
I wish I had the way to overlook or not overthink certain things. It’s more trouble than it’s worth. Lucky are those who simply watch and enjoy. ?
Why did Bran continue to green see into the past when pulled from the tree roots? Did somebody answer that already?
Thinking on this a bit more, isn’t it really Bran who, via warging Hodor, saved himself and Meera, sacrificing the “body” of Wylis? Did Hodor really hold the door? Or did Bran? If Bran had to be warged into Hodor to get him to move, then what is the point of Hodor saying Hodor? His mind is not even part of the actual activity? It’s not Wylis hearing Meera, it’s Bran and Bran is driving Wylis’s actions. Just more mindfucking for me to ponder over.
And what about Bran’s mental state when Hodor died? Does it matter? Book readers know the potential cost.
Oh yeah,
And how freaking hot was that new red priestess. Wow, she was extremely beautiful. Her eyes were so pretty they almost looked CGIed. And she knew everything and really pumped Varys down. He got owned lol…
Really hope we see more of that hottie, maybe be one of Dany’s advisers? who knows. Jon has one, now Dany will…
So much is happening in the north this season that I wouldn’t be surprised if Gendry shows up in a week or two.
Picture this: Yara Greyjoy peers out a porthole one day and espies a dingy bearing a bedraggled, sunburned Gendry, who having been at sea for a few years without food, shade and water, has hallucinated an alternate Westeros saga involving himself and his imaginary friends, Tinky-Winky, Dipsy, Laa-Laa, and Po. For Yara, quite possibly the loneliest woman in the history of the Iron Islands, it’s love at first sight, and they live happily ever after, though Gendry never stops believing that Yara is the Tubby Phone.
And with that, I bid everyone a good night. Fantastic episode!
Summer is now dead/ Winter is definitely coming!
Yes, it was. It was the price Bran has to pay for his interference. Plus the loss of Hodor. Otherwise, it’s like: Bran can do as he likes, change whatever he chooses, and nothing personal happens to him. In this instance, he lost his brave and loyal direwolf, who saved him numerous times, going back to Season 1. It has NOTHING to do with budget.
Sansa had no idea of Summer’s death, but that scene was very hard for me to take. Poor Jon, so touched by it!
This episode had a very, very somber feel to it, but it was fantastic nonetheless. The ending was superb and so beautifully done. Hodor died protecting the ones he loved the most, and there is no greater honor than that.
-The Kingsmoot was pretty good. Euron is growing on me. I wonder if we’ll see him anymore this season? Also, I can understand Yara going with him, but can someone PLEASE explain to me why Theon is deciding to back Dany now? Like, the hell? His whole purpose for returning to Pyke was to help his sister gain the throne, but since that didn’t happen, why doesn’t he leave and go back to the North to help Sansa and Jon/House Stark?
-LOVED the Sansa/Littlefinger bit. I was hoping to GOD that she wouldn’t fall for his BS, and I’m so glad she didn’t. Loved the way she stood up for herself and loved the way she dealt with him. I think Sansa is definitely becoming my new favorite character.
-I’ve literally been waiting years for Jorah to tell Dany he’s in love with her, and it finally happened, aaaaand I squealed like a school girl.
-Tyrion and Varys’ scenes have been SO BORING lately, but bringing Kinvara in certainly spiced things up a bit. I wonder how she knows about Varys’ past?
-Still no Dorne/Sand Snakes plot, and I’m happy about it.
-No KL either, which doesn’t bug me, considering everyone in KL (except the Tyrells) annoy me.
-Also loved the bit where Jon, Sansa, & company were around the table planning which houses to rally together. The way Sansa spoke surprised me. She’s becoming such a badass! The bit where she gave Jon the furs was sweet. Kit and Sophie have great, great chemistry. Can’t wait to see more of them together.
-Bran’s stuff was so intense. Loved seeing the WW’s, but didn’t love when they attacked the Three Eyed Raven and the Children. Also so pissed we lost freaking ANOTHER direwolf-Summer. Like, really? Come on, HBO. Stop breaking our hearts.
Brandon,
loved that little scene!!
“Try not to knock it down while Im gone
just more reinforcement….it may be a long windy path, but Jon will end up back at the Wall when all is said and done.. rebuilding and leading the loyal men of the Nightswatch.. because “winter is coming”
plus points added for Edd’s “oh shit” moment when he realized he WAS lord commander lol
One more thing to wonder. Was this the White Walker scene that was supposed to ‘break the Internet?’ Or is there going to be an even bigger one?
Carrick,
Yes, that makes sense too. 🙂
ghost of winterfell,
yes, it’s supposed to be Jon’s biggest season yet according to Kit. He was supposedly busier than all the other actors for season 6 filming. 5 episodes in and he was dead for two and sidelined in favour of Sansa for one. He hanged his killers and had some talks with a few characters, that’s it. Where’s this big season for him? One episode (e9) doesn’t make a whole season.
The Night’s King has dirty blonde hair. I don’t think any Starks have that hair color. More likely an Andal then from the First Men blood line like the Starks….
I’m not persuaded of that. Of all the characters in the play, Cersei and Joffrey were the least lampooned.
Arya seemed to imply that she thought the jealous younger actress was behind the hit. Actors in street theatres in medieval times weren’t exactly rolling in money, though. One wonders what the FM might have required of her in payment instead.
I feel AWFUL 🙁 the episode was amazing and gets 10+ from me but THAT ending…OMG! It left me soooooo down!!! I swear, some people have guessing powers that border the occult!!! I heard the HOLD DOOR theory for the longest time and thought it was only for¨shit and giggles¨and it turned to be true! Also,many said the WW were created by the COTF for protection against men and it ALSO was true!
Direwolf Lvr,
“Why did Bran continue to green see into the past when pulled from the tree roots? Did somebody answer that already?”
It is explained in the Inside the Episode clip I believe.
Me too – until I realized that all the faces were so rotten that he wouldn’t have recognized him anyway, even if he were among them. Besides, that was presumably a scene from the distant past.
A scene where a Stark has to kill a wight version of Hodor or Summer now becomes possible, though. : (
Did Varys hear Bran’s voice in the flames?
selena,
She’s turning to Tullys knowing full well they hate Jon’s mere existence. Yeah she wants an army of her own in case she decides to turn against Jon which is looking likely to happen after Jon wins Winterfell for her greedy ass.
Direwolf Lvr,
NK as a man was probably a stark and had the ability to Warg, that is why he can see Bran.
Yes! That scene as they’re getting ready to ride out – I was like, ‘So that’s Tormund’s idea of a winning smile.’
An overwhelming majority of what Old Nan told us has been proven as true. I’m a believer.
Icekhione,
What’s more, even that one episode is a battle episode. Which means zero chances for character development. I am losing all hype for the North lol. With all respect to Sansa, it seems like the writers are writing for one character there when they should have been writing for two. This is Jaime-Cersei all over again and I am getting pissed lol.
The Bastard,
Whoever it was was from centuries ago: even if he is an ancestor of the Starks, then so are hundreds of other people alive at that time. So his appearance means nothing.
selena,
Littlefinger is such a cockroach though! I’m more scared of him than I am of the WW lol.
God damn it Summer.
Inside the Episode explains that it’s from rituals done by the CotF.
Icekhione,
It is possible Sansa never fully shed the nature of her character from when she was younger in the first seasons, when many of us didn’t really like her. But after all she’s been through you’re not allowed to dislike her anymore. Everyone’s supposed to be on the same page with rooting for the girl because of the sympathy we felt over her family’s demise, and the fact she’s a Stark. But bad things happen to those with grey hearts as well as those with dark, or pure ones.
Did not see Inside the episode yet and DD admit she doesn’t fully trust Jon? Huh. Poor guy man I hope he didn’t get murdered and resurrected not wanting to fight anymore but then his sis lures him in again only to betray him like his NW brothers did, that would be so fraking tragic.
I liked seeing a softer, more real side to Dany for a change, and the exchange between her and Jorah was heartfelt. My thoughts, for now, are changing in a new direction. I’m feeling the nudge of a dark Sansa and a savior Dany which feels really weird lol.
What more can be said about Hodor? Dramatic and sad….I was speechless really. Kind of still need to absorb that whole scene with him and Bran/COTF, WW, BR. It is one of the more complicated developments and I’m trying to wrap my mind around the whole Bran time travel thing, what he has affected and how he’s going to make things right again. Kingmaker indeed, hmmmm.
Ginevra,
What has proven to be true? Yes, there are White Walkers. But that is about it. (That is a big “it,” mind you!)
REF,
More probably the NK can see Bran because he is a product of the same magics as Bran is using.
The Bastard,
I would bet thst he heard R’hllor.
Hodor took all the shit and continued to hold the door! What a bad ass
Shall we Close the Door lord Commander ?
I’m not the Lord Commander.
Edd looks around him
Fuck it….
Close The Door XD
AlexG,
I am sorry, but who ever suggested this? I have been a fan for many years, and I never saw this one.
I agree that it will be Benjen; but it does not mean that Benjen will necessarily be alive. He may have been collapsed into Coldhands in the TV series. We shall see.
And yet the people who die say there is nothing beyond death. So there is no R’hllor.
Gendry’s been back in Westeros for a while and hanging out in the Riverlands. Brienne will run into him when she goes to meet with the Blackfish, and Arya will come up when Brienne mentions she’s there on behalf of Sansa Stark. 🙂
I had the same foreboding in that farewell scene, which felt a lot like Jon and Robb’s last goodbye. And that joke about ‘Don’t knock it down while I’m gone…’ If Edd has to die, I hope at least that he goes down like a boss.
Firannion,
This also was a very telling scene for a number of reasons. First, it shows us just how backwards the Westerosi in general and the Northerners in particular are deemed. Seeing her father lampooned as an idiot woke some of Arya back up.
However, I agree that Cesrsei would not have minded this play: she and Joffery were depicted as the only civilized and decent people there. Hell, she might have written it from her own memory!
I was most looking forward to jack benders episodes and man he did not disappoint.
How awesome was the casting for Ned’s father? Just wow.
This show is just on a different level. It has ruined me for all other shows.
And now we know what Wyllis was talkin’ about. 🙁
Firannion,
I don’t think the vision of the Wight Army, or some of the army, the NK, and the other 3 WW’s, were from the past. I think that vision was elsewhere, but present-day. It’s what led to the NK knowing Bran was there…BR said to Bran something like “now he knows you’re here.”
The Bastard,
That conclusion in no way follows. Just because R’hllor exists, it does not mean that souls exist.
I think that this episode might point to R’hllor’s origin. He is an introduced predator to deal with Cane Toads….
Firannion,
I am sure that Edd will not knock it down. I am not so certain that other people will so refrain.
Well, no spoilers for me. I kept away from WotW until I saw E5 at 2am UK time on Sky Atlantic and then decided to have another watch/recap on Sky Atlantic+1.
A very good episode, but quite a surprise losing Hodor in that final scene. At least we all know now why Hodor could only say his name, but things have gone somewhat ‘off the wall’ in that Bran’s warging trips into the past can also now influence events in the present through being seen and touched by a WW.
The rest of the scenes were pretty self explanatory and the events that occurred, barring perhaps that other Red Priestess who knew about Vary’s castration and asking him if he recalls what the voice said coming out from the fire his ‘pieces’ were tossed into to? Now… I wonder what was said !
Can’t say I ever get emotional (like sobbing) at what is basically a fantasy TV show, but I have shouted ‘What the fuck’ occasionally to the TV when bad or unexpected things happen 😮
I wonder how she knows about Varys’ past?
She’s the priestess of R’hllor. The second rate sorcerer was likely involved with R’hllor. The voice may, as Wimsey has previously suggested, may have been the voice of R’hllor. Plus, the priestess may have seen a vision of all of this in her flames.
I found it interesting that she told Varys that that even led to him, as well as her, serving the LoL by serving Danerys. Did she, like Bran, have to interact with the past in order to create the future she needed?
Not ‘just.’ Obsidian is glass made from the fires beneath the Earth, which, it is implied, are what spawned the dragons of Valyria. And if the Doom of Valyria was a seismic/volcanic event (inspired probably by the massive eruption of Thera/Santorini circa 1300 BCE, which also supposedly inspired the Fall of Atlantis legend), then we are talking about natural forces so powerful as to be indistinguishable from magic for all intents and purposes. I highly doubt that smashing some windows will provide a satisfactory substitute.
No, there were a whole bunch of mind-blowing things she got right. There was a forum discussion on another site that I read with tons and tons of quotes from the first book, and it would send chills up my spine as to how closely she’d predicted things thus far. I’m sad I can’t find the thread, but sometime soon I’ll try to go through the first book and find her tales.
I always suspected the children were connected to the others and this explanation makes sense. There’s still so much more to learn about their motivation though.
Very good episode. Damn I hate that summer died. Now there are only two left.
On the bright side we have another mention of the Manderlys. At least I can hope for one of the best book characters to appear.
Two things that standout on a second watch.
Jon mentioning to Edd as he left CB, “don’t let it fall”.
And Sansa to LF, “I still feel what he did inside me.” (or something along those lines)
I think plenty assume, myself included,
but could Sansa’s slip be that
?
selena,
I agree there is too much Sansa hate here. I can see her not telling Jon bcuz she doesn’t want to get into it. Explaining that is. Like why she gave up a chance to lead the Vale army. She might have designs on Winterfell. But why shouldn’t she? Jon isn’t a stark and she is. Also, she made him that nice cloak/belt. It’s symbolic and important. She needs Jon and she is giving him symbolically a place in her family. Why should she not also have a place. I’m going to wait and see what she does and not rush to judgment. And there is plenty of time for Hon to make his mark and have his biggest season as well.
Wimsey,
Sorry… I´m lousy at links and finding old stuff but I have read many times both theories inside the forums at Reddit and Westeros.org…those and many,maaaaany more
Little Finger likely knows that Jon may be useful now, but after Winterfell is reclaimed, Jon will be nothing but a potential underminer of his power over Sansa and a potential object of northern loyalty as a half Stark male war hero…
Post Battle of the Bastards, Sansa will be made to choose between Jon and LF. The light deceit in this episode is just setting that stage…
It certainly looked like real obsidian arrowheads and spearpoints: oily-looking sheen, curved fracture planes where it has been flaked.
No, not at all.
Firstly, the books establish that demons exist. They danced in the hut of Khal Drogo and two shadows were birthed from Melisandre. So the thing contacted probably WAS a demon, not a god.
Secondly, I took Kinvara’s comments merely to mean that she had previously had visions in the flames which gave her insight into private moments of both Tyrion (on the Bridge of Volantis) and Varys’ moment as a child — and so she shared her insight of those private moments as a demonstration of her power.
Kinvara didn’t actually know what words were spoken. She cannot hear in visions any more than Melisandre can. Their visions are exactly that — visual only. But like Melisandre, Kinvara uses her visions to appear more knowledgeable than she really is in order to persuade others she has insight; with this, she gains influence.
We must assume that her visions work the same as Mel and she is probably as old — or older — than Mel is. (She is the High Priestess, after all). She had these visions long ago — before they happened (as she cannot see back into the past — only Bran can do that). And she cannot hear what is said from a voice emanating from the flames. There were no lips to read (assuming she can read those in some visions).
It follows that the novels suggest to us that Kinvara was bluffing the entire time. She wasn’t going to tell Varys what the voice said as she didn’t actually know.
ghost of winterfell,
It seems like they have boosted every female character at the expense of every male one this season. No balance, just straight up feminist girl power BS.
Buggar it… No one’s talking about that Beautiful scene between Daenerys and Jorah?? (which thankfully even Daario managed to hold his tongue)
Dany never looked more lovelier to me and God Damn It if Emilia didn’t hit it out of the ballpark with her emotions and longing. (I did have tears in my eyes and my heart welled)
Who thinks there’s hope for Jorah now??? ((Hand Up))
Maybe we won’t see him for the rest of the Season but lay bets he’s on his way to Qarth to seek out Quaithe!
For the preview for the next week and the way this episode ended, it seems Bran will stay green seeing for most part of this season? Hence the remaining flashbacks without BR….
AlexG,
I saw it mentioned numerous times here WotW after Home. Wylis was in Home and the question of “Hodor meaning” was asked post ep.
Flayed Potatoes,
Like Varys, I would rather marry the black goat of Qohor than be in league with LF … if only Sansa had the same thoughts … she’d do the opposite of what LF suggests …
Ice spider,
Lmao…my sentiments exactly
So is anyone else getting the feeling that
FWIW, the spiral is a massively significant symbol in ancient European Paganism (well before anybody invented a lens that could see the shape of any galaxy, though it does certainly occur in other forms in nature). Its associations are all positive: the life cycle, eternity, renewal, death leading to rebirth… That’s why they made all those labyrinth patterns for meditation purposes: The journey out is the journey in.
Nadia,
It seems to me that the cloak and belt are more than a manipulation of Jon. While that may be there too.
Having Jon and herself dress the part is important. As we saw w Yara, it’s hard to lay claim to and really wield power in a medieval world. In the case of Isabel the Catholic, she was able to inherit her brothers throne largely because she had a consort (who was also a proprietary ruler) who could lead her armies for her. Another proprietary queen of the same kingdom, Berenguela, was able to rule alongside her adult son. In contrast, other women who inherited but didn’t have a cooperative male family member to share rule with (and to lead their armies) often didn’t hold onto power. Obviously there are some exceptions, but I think GOT has made it clear that in the culture of Westeros women don’t typically get to be the lords or kings of their lands and kingdoms. Male primogeniture is firmly established. Dornes exception isn’t visible. Dany is the only exception but she’s another story entirely.
In short, Sansa needs Jon. She needs the Northerner’s to accept Jon, and so she dresses him (and herself) appropriately. I don’t see her betraying him. More working with him. And that may fall apart when he learns of his true parentage.
Demon Monkey,
Jon is very subdued and being downplayed right now, which isn’t what I expected because of Kit’s comment regarding this being his biggest season yet and having tons of filming time…..the season is half over now and I don’t see how his part could pick up very much before the last two episodes were they prepare for and fight the battle. Perhaps he meant that filming time was a lot because of the extensive choreography of the fight scenes and how many takes there were on the ritual/resurrection process? And calling it “biggest season” could be referring to personal revelations and twists, not so much quantity but quality of the effects on Jon’s narrative personally. If that makes sense, don’t know if I worded that properly lol.
Littlefinger is probably toast, honestly. The Vale army is clearly going to end up at Winterfell to turn the battle for the Starks, but Littlefinger is going to find out his power is fragile. The Vale lords don’t like him, but for whatever reason they’re the most loyal people in all of Westeros and will follow the Arryn name to the grave even if it’s Lysa or Robin bearing that name. Littlefinger controls them through him, but I get the feeling he’d do anything Sansa asked of him even if it meant turning on “Uncle Peter.”
I don’t see much coming of this tiny bit of tension between Sansa and Jon. There just isn’t time left for this. Alliances are basically set. The Game of Thrones is nearly over. Midway through next season, whatever we have left is the real war and that’s it. They can’t have the Starks defeat the Boltons just to turn on each other. That would just distract from the end game. I don’t see too many remaining betrayals. The Dorne insurrection is out there, but they’ll probably just join Daenerys, along with everyone else apparently. Yara and Theon are going to race to get to her before Euron does. We know from the trailer Yara is in Volantis later this season and that has to be why.
By drawing Brynden and the Tullys into the fray, he drives a potential wedge between Sansa and Jon — and draws the eye of Cersei farther north of the Neck.
And if the Knight of the Vale remains in Moat Cailin (or near it) then he can either join with the North against the Lannisters and defend the passage north (and bolster a rapprochement with Sansa) or stand aside or even aid the attack on Winterfell if he chooses. Or LF can simply move in on Winterfell should Sansa and Jon lose then move against the remaining Boltons. Ramsay is unlikely to kill Sansa yet — he has no heir. Sansa is safe for a time, even if her armed conquest should fail.
It’s pretty much a can’t lose roll of the dice if you are LF.
I can’t even.
HODOR!! SUMMER!! 🙁
Tormund smiling at Brienne couldn’t even cheer me up after that ending.
The North Remembers,
I hope so.
Huge fan of the Cane Toads movie here! Now you’ve got me humming the theme song.
And fractal patterns are the basis of the universe
Makes sense. Between coming back from the dead, having his parents revealed, and uniting the north to take back Winterfell, that’s a pretty big season. He’s still the only one who can realistically lead the resistance in the true war, which means he’ll be even more important in the final seasons. Really, those seasons very likely focus mostly on Jon, Bran, and Daenerys, with all the other characters who manage to survive in support of those three.
Daniellica,
“Or maybe the NK can only be killed by bran warging into the NK at his creation and altering those events/sacrificing himself at the same time to save the whole frakkin world.”
That’s a fascinating idea! I would never have thought of that. Kudos!
Second viewing, still aghast.
– BR, Summer, Leaf and Hodor…Gone! I am in denial!
(Now is an excellent time for CH to appear, eh?)
– Bran smashing through the 4th wall of time to save himself and Meera
– Hodor!
– CotF created their Frankenstein to battle the First Men…Bran being groomed to undo their work?
– Stellar first appearance by Kinvara! Varys perplexed!
– Jorah’s proclaimed love for Dany (as good as a kiss!) and commanded to find a cure!
(Drogon may find Jorah wandering the desert and …)
– Dany’s and Sansa’s facial expressions…mesmerizing!
– Jon telling Edd to “not knock down the wall”…damn
– Sansa standing up to LF’s BS. LF mentioning “half-brother”, then Sansa lying to Jon…hmmmm.
– BF fucking in charge at RR…fuck yeah! Brienne going to her destiny.
– Mel stuck in despair and insecurity, nary a word…Davos makes such a great Hand!
– Theon and Asha/Yara taking matters into their own hands
– Arya truly tested at the theatre, still getting her ass kicked by the Waif. “A servant does not ask questions.” So much Mercy and more.
Still aghast. Jack Bender did us proud. Nice work, D&D.
Due to time and budget limits, we are being deprived of much needed Jon-Melisandre (she freaking brought him back to life, they ought to talk things out) and Jon-Ghost scenes. Melisandre is the only female character getting the shaft, she’s turned into a glorified extra now. And Ghost went back to direwolf limbo once Jon came back. What happened to that bond between him and Jon they were emphasising in the first two episodes?
Put Robyn Aryn with Sansa and Rhoys nearby where Sansa no longer feels that those present can or will turn her over to Cersei Lannister, and LF is toast if she wants him dead. All she need do is cry and tell the truth:
“I’m sorry My Lords, he swore he would kill me. I didn’t know what to do! The Queen thought I killed Joffrey (even though I didn’t). Aunt Lysa was angry — Petyr tried to kiss me — he tried to do *far* more than that My Lords…, *eyes cast down*
Aunt Lysa saw him try to touch me and … she grew angry and they quarreled and when she threatened to turn him out of the Eyrie, that’s when he did it. He shoved her out the Moon Door My Lords. I couldn’t tell you the truth before. She was my AUNT! My own Mother’s sister! I am so sorry… *cry cry*”
And that will be the end of Petyr Baelish. Snicker snack.
Yes, I saw that video clip after I posted my reply.
Strange though why the CotF should adopt a pattern in rituals that prevails in nature and is common throughout the universe? Who knows… perhaps the CotF were the descendants of an ‘ancient alien race’ that once populated the planet!
Surprising that GRRM never gave the world a name that Westeros and Essos are a part of? Being also a science fiction author, I would have thought he would have come with a name for the planet… How about “Westessotia” 🙂
Now he has a Horcrux imbedded in his arm!
If he knows a hawk from a handsaw, maybe he can find someone to amputate that nasty arm for him.
Speaking of which, what’s with all the forearm action in this episode? Jorah’s greyscale, Night’s King grabs Bran and leaves a mark, even Kinvara grabs Varys’ forearm immediately after thoroughly making him lose his customary aplomb. Pattern or coincidence?
Steel_Wind,
Holy shit! This didn’t occur to me! Fucking Littlefinger…..
It would be insane if
Seems like they have Sansa take over Jon’s arc. She’s undergoing character development, she’s doing the talking. He’s just there, tagging along and will only be needed to do the actiony stuff. One would think for being one of the Big Three and after having just died and be resurrected he would undergo some character development, but he’s still the same. Well maybe more brooding.
Arthur,
How hot was the chick playing Sansa in the play? Hottest in the history of the show imo,
Icekhione,
🙁
I need to see Jon get some spotlight when they meet the Northern houses, especially since this is his storyline. I want to see him make speeches and plans.
I am also highly unimpressed by Euron’s actor so far as well. But I could watch Alfie Allen face-act all day; he never misses the mark. So any scene with him in it is a treat for me.
Not sure if it’s been suggested yet, but maybe the reason Sansa lied to Jon is because she wasn’t comfortable with him finding out that her pride turned down a much needed army! That was what they were discussing-their lack of numbers.
What an emotionally draining episode! Love poor Hodor. Major props to the young Hodor actor that was able to knock out that difficult closing scene! And the director ?
I can’t cite my source, but I believe that there’s a GRRM quote out there somewhere saying that that Bran will be the last PoV chapter, as he was the first. He is the historian of the War for the Dawn, you might say. Or as Tolkien fans might say, the keeper of the Red Book of Westeros.
Sansa is not going to let Jon take Winterfell as Lord. She is getting him to take it for Bran, Rickon or HER. It isn’t for him to rule; merely for him to conquer, for the Starks.
And she is going to make sure of that. He’s a Snow — not a Stark.
Bran’s arrival and the reveal on Jon’s parentage will change all of that — and put them all on the same side.
Now it looks like it’s going to be Sansa rallying the forces, making big speeches while Jon lurks in the background. They can’t even be bothered to go into why Melisandre is so adamant he’s TPTWP. Just because he came back from the dead? So did Beric (6 times), did she think him to be the saviour? They muted his resurrection, keep him more or less unchanged, made him downtrodden, keep downplaying Ghost’s connection to him, keep him reluctant and resigned. They’re screwing up his arc post-rez.
Icekhione,
George is a feminist, according to one interview, so it would not surprise me if he’s writing from that POV.
Uhm…no.
Two words: Roxanne McKee.
LonRice,
Signing on with your Sansa comments! I don’t think people are hating on her, just questioning her motives and not that her motivations are bad but where they are coming from (fear, lack of trust, manipulation).
I don’t blame her for being wary, even of her own brother. She may have grown up with him in the same household, but he wasn’t exactly part of the family fold. She knows he can and will keep her safe but there will probably always be a gnawing feeling in her mind, unfortunately, that will make it harder for her to put trust in anyone. She may get a little ahead of herself, like I felt she did with Davos about the northern houses, but she can’t necessarily count on anyone to do her bidding for her anymore. She has protection but it is as if she still feels very much alone.
I have a feeling the trust and loyalty issue will rear its head again soon, with Brienne going to Riverrun. The loyalty and trust built there, while still in it’s infancy, will be tested if anything goes down with Jaime. Where Briennes loyalties lie will be interesting.
Yeah can see what you are saying
No doubt there will be people squealing he trotted out at the head of the column
Don’t mind exploring power including from women, but it is getting to the point where the Show at least doesen’t think there can be females in power without seriously bashing down men (Ellaria to Doran “you are weak pathetic” etc and last week with Dany to the Khals “you are all small men” etc) and on top of all this Lincoln stuff and Saddam-like Harpy statues it is irritating how contemporary thinking is creeping into the show the way it is
On a larger note though, there’s an issue where in the books Sansa rises to major influence in the Vale and Riverlands, so in a sense Jon is being pushed into Sweetrobins roles
On the other hand Jon is a major General and leader figure in the North, Rickon is Robbs heir in the absence of Bran with the trueborn Stark name etc and who will be a rallying figure for the Northerners, but in the case of the show they seem to be pushing Sansa into Rickons role in that respect and Davos is the Hand basically while Mel is attracted to Jon along PtwP or Azor Ahai lines which relates to the bigger mystery of the books/show
And merging the two together
This is where she didn’t tell Jon about LF comes in, basically in S7 she’ll go down to RL IMO and take on her Alayne LF protege persona and become quite darker etc and be the Queen to strike Cersei down etc
But it’s a tricky juggling act, so they are having to hide Alayne from Jon and play her as Sansa for the figurehead role but later on they’ll have to work on that for the Queen of Harrenhall role
In the books I have a theory that Robbs Kingdom will split and Jon preside over the North while Sansa rules in RL/Vale basically,
Of course once Bran gets south of the Wall interestingly he is King in the North so…
For the sake of girl power, Sansa will suddenly turn into a smooth-talking politician and skilled military strategist. Just you wait.
ygritte,
And David and Dan appear to be overcompensating after having been labelled misogynists time and time again.
If Jon, Sansa, and the gang are headed south, does this mean we’ll get Davos finding Shireen’s pyre soon? That’s gonna get ugly for Melisandre.
I have a bad feeling that this will be the last time Jon sees Dolorous Edd. The White Walkers are coming for the Wall, and I think that the mark the Night’s King put on Bran’s arm will let them pass the Wall somehow.
Also, how refreshing was it to have an episode without Ramsay?
Made me laugh.
He might just be taken aback by how assertive and decisive his wimpy, girly little sister has become. Takes some getting used to, I’d imagine.
Steel_Wind,
Forgot about her. She’s definitely up there.
Huh?
Okay, Bran Stark is Bran the Builder. I’m now 100% convinced.
RIP Hodor. You were a hero.
This. I’ve made it plain that I’m not much of a Dany fan and even less of an Emilia Clarke fan. But I loved that scene, and thought that it was the best acting that I’ve seen from her since the series started (by which I mean ‘entire series,’ not ‘this season’ as Britons use the term).
Now I’m wondering it we’re just being trolled with false hope that Jorah might find a cure, or if there might be something to the speculation that he will run into a red priest/ess and get the radical cure that Victarion got for his gangrene in the books.
Another brilliant episode in what has been a stellar season! Season Six gives me the chills of anticipation Season One gave me, before the show ever started…with the added bonus that now I can look back on the whole journey and how we got here!
Yeah, I wanted to smash his weaselly face in. Saying ‘I’m sorry’ over and over just doesn’t make things all better, dude.
Flayed Potatoes,
It’s pretty disappointing right now. I don’t know why they are downplaying Jon’s presence like this. My husband said it must be so they can build him up for a big “comeback” at the end. Well, hell they tore him down by killing off, then we wait 10 months plus the course of the first half of this season, we are more than ready to show signs of the big player we know he must become. Having Sansa come into her own and control her destiny that’s GREAT, but NOT at the expense of Jon freaking Snow please.
Rather, I find the timing suspect. The immediately have her go to CB and overshadow something we need to see, and that is a focus on exploring the implications of what happened to him with Mel and learning what has been going on outside the watch. Instead they cut out all that conversation, even when his sister arrives, that would have been a pay-off for many fans. It is all her POV from the way it looks to be building up. Maybe we are jumping the gun, but I don’t see anything set up to be a catalyst for Jon becoming a POV again yet and we don’t have much time left 🙁
I’m just worried about him being there when it falls. I am very fond of Edd, even if he isn’t quite the lovably depressive Eeyore/Marvin the Paranoid Android of the books.
ygritte,
Then again, it IS possible that the show runners are taking us on a different journey so as not to spoil the rest of Martin’s story for the readers. I am guessing that all involved would benefit from that.
Ummm… I thought it was pretty heavily implied that Ramsay was really into… certain painful activities that don’t result in impregnation.
Firannion,
The Tullys hate Jon because Ned cheated on Cat.
Jon paying for people’s mistakes, as usual.
In the books,
ygritte,
I need to see what this so-called Jon centered episode is. Kit was saying something about it. It can’t just be him swinging a sword. I want to see him display his knowledge (he knows Northern houses and how to deal with them), make speeches, and get the respect he deserves. The Mormonts are one of my last hopes because of the bond he had with Jeor and receiving Longclaw. Jon’s a main character together with Dany and Tyrion, so I have expectations lol.
I’m so worried he’ll skip next episode.
Mel has been reduced to glorified extra it seems. I really wanted him to have a conversation with her about what he has been through. I don’t think anyone there grasps his experience and is able to empathize.
I was wondering if that was LF’s ploy to make sure that Sansa doesn’t get close with her “half-brother”. Knowing that the Tullys hate Jon, their presence could create a divide between the half-siblings. I wouldn’t be surprised if that little story that LF dropped was intended to mess up the Starks. I hope Sansa doesn’t fall for it although it looks like she has already when she lied to Jon (at least, subconsciously).
Anyone know the name of the actress who plays Sansa on stage? I need it for uh.. Reasons.
Re: Sansa: I don’t have a problem with her being more proactive, and even manipulative, but manipulating Jon would be too much for me. She should know Jon didn’t want to take Winterfell because she had to persuade him, and even then he only agreed because of Rickon.
I just don’t find it convincing enough that she knows such stuff about Northern families, and suddenly planning military actions – I could accept it from Arya, because she’s always been interested in that stuff, but Sansa never got any training of that sort.
About wanting an own army: I just don’t see how the Vale army would belong to her. They belong to Littlefinger, not Sansa. And even if LF is out of picture for some reason, I fail to see how that army would belong to Sansa and do what she wants: they would belong to SweetRobin or Royce (or other bannerman), but not Sansa. Same with the Tully armies. They would be loyal to Sansa, but still would act on the word of the Blackfish – I just don’t see them following Sansa and Sansa only. And if Bran and Arya comes back (I guess Rickon is toast), the Tully armies’ loyalties may lie with Bran, not Sansa.
I hope they work it out somehow, and they won’t have Sansa betraying Jon. And I will be devasted if Sansa is doing all the speeches when rallying the North – I have a hard time believing she would succeed without Jon.
And I feel guilty for saying that, but if they downplay Jon’s abilies and personality just to give Sansa more space, I think I will start disliking Sansa even more.
On a side note: Arya is learning useful skills from the FM – one of them is being able to lie – and detect a lie, IIRC (definitely in the books, not so sure about the show). And she definitely trusts Jon – more than anybody else, so if she manages to get back to Winterfell, she would be able to tell if Sansa is telling the truth or not. She would be the best BS detector Jon could have.
Direwolves: I’m pretty shocked about Summer, I’m not so sure if he dies so soon in the book as well – but if (IF) they want to include Arya and Jon warging, it would be another good timing for it: like Bran wanting to reach out for them, and becoming a catalyst for their warging (just like he was a catalyst for Jon in the books).
Anyway, either we lose Ghost and Nymeria next season the latest, or they manage to meet some day… I really want a direwolf reunion. Especially if that means a Jon-Arya reunion as well.
You just reminded me of the old Scottish tradition that any contender for the throne (King in da Norf?) had to be symbolically crowned and enthroned upon the Stone of Scone by a senior member of House MacDuff. Robert the Bruce was thus crowned in 1306 by Isabella MacDuff, Countess of Buchan, because her younger brother, the Earl of Fife, was unavailable, being a ‘ward’ (read: hostage) to the English king, Edward I, at the time. (Isabella was later captured by the English and punished for her unwomanly audacity by being hung in a cage from the walls of Berwick Castle for four years.) I wonder if this incident played any part in inspiring the idea of Sansa conferring a sort of legitimacy-by-proxy upon Jon at this point in the story.
Firannion,
That’s Rorge?
Firannion,
Interesting. Thanks for this.
Planetos is the name conventionally used throughout the fandom for convenience’s sake, though not specifically sanctioned by the author AFAIK.
Only if you had your heart set on him coming back all badass and vengeful. I like it that the change in him is muted.
Do you go on about ‘boy power’ whenever you watch one of the overwhelming percentage of movies and TV shows where there are mostly guys running things? Or is that just ‘normal’ to you because you’re a guy?
VERY
I don’t remember this bit at all – and I just did my fourth ‘read’ of the books (my first time via audiobooks). Hmm.
Firannion,
It is kind of okay in a world where the boys get the training for that kind of thing. All Sansa was trained for is becoming a consort, knowing how to dance and sing and being all girly. She never was interested in politics neither had she any training of that sort. And ever since she went to King’s Landing, she was mostly a hostage, and not someone who gets political training. The closest she gets is her time with LF, but even there she learns manipulation over anything else, and LF doesn’t know shit about Northers politics – so he couldn’t prepare Sansa for that. That’s why some of us think that Sansa’s behaviour is a bit off. It would be much more believable of Arya, who always was interested in boys’s stuff.
Samwell Johnson,
Almost as refreshing as 4 eps without SS.
Does anyone else think it was significant that Meera was able to kill the WhiteWalker with the same spear that had only bounced off him, when the CoTF tried to yield it against him? Maybe it was the armor that stopped the spear or that the CoTF was not strong enough, but the spear did not have any effect on the WW until Meera picked it up (after the demise of the CoTF) and threw it, and then the WW shattered. Was it that she hit the WW above his armor or that she has some special power that allows her to kill WW’s more easily? Just a thought.
Flayed Potatoes,
Sounds like something Littlefinger would do. I was kind of wondering what he was up to. (No, I didn’t believe for a minute he was contrite over what happened to Sansa.)
Firannion,
A Feast for Crows, Chapter 38, Jaime VI.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brynden_Tully 🙂
Carrick,
The Boltons are supposed to have Moat Cailin and LF said he has his army garrisoned there, right?
He’s suspicious!
I still think somebody lost a bet (or is in process of winning it) with the jokes about cut cocks and small cocks and warty cocks and what have you.
The writers have outdone themselves, it’s been building up… so to speak:)… since Tyrion’s first eunuch joke to Varys in ep1. We’re half way through the season and every episode so far has had at least a joke about that, not to mention the plethora of both jokes and visuals in 05.
I believe that we won’t have a single episode this season without at least one cock joke.
What do you think that is? A lost writer’s bet, as I’m inclined to believe? Or something that has to do with the “girl power” rising and the story needing to belittle the men in relation to their most vulnerable parts?
Oh, this was so emotionally devastating on several levels. I honestly don’t know how I feel right now. I always assumed that Hodor was somehow affected by Benjen Stark and that’s why he took the black. It seemed fitting for the series’s grounding in some aspect of reality but this was astonishingly devastating. Oh my goodness, I’m crying and the wine isn’t helping at all. The rest of the episode was really quite good but nothing feels significant in comparison. https://goo.gl/AALKls
Tycho Nestoris,
Let me tell you: I always scoffed at those ideas/theories because,frankly I found them impertinent;like they belonged in a Preston Jacobs video but now,I´ll believe anything!
Some random observations:
– I loved the detail that the aboveground part of the TER’s magical tree got all distressed when the wights attacked and started writhing around, like the Whomping Weirwood.
– Someone in one of the GoT Facebook groups that I visit made an interesting suggestion: If a dragonglass blade being imbedded in his chest was what made the first Night’s King, and if Bran’s contemporary nemesis is still the same ancient original NK and not just his heir, could the key to resolving the whole conflict be someone figuring out how to extract the glass from his heart? You know, like the shard of ice in the fairytale ‘The Snow Queen.’ Or the thorn in the lion’s paw in ‘Androcles and the Lion.’
– So is this the first suggestion we’ve had in the show that Meera has something of the Greensight herself? She intuited that something really bad was going on outside the cave, though they were too deep underground to be able to hear. Looking forward to more development of Meera (and hoping that she isn’t deemed another expendable character anytime soon). I keep feeling like she’s our likeliest link to having Howland show up to do his turn, and I really really want a visit to the Isle of Faces (at least in the books).
– Maisie’s reactions to the play were priceless, showing us very clearly that there is not only still some Stark left in Arya, but also still some little girl. I feel certain now that she is too emotional a person at the core ever to become No One. She is certainly getting better at not wearing her heart on her sleeve; but it was sweet to get a chance to see her in a relaxed and unguarded moment, just enjoying something (until it turned ugly).
– As the mother of a college student and fellow ASoIaF/GoT fan who also happens to have epilepsy, now I’m worrying that my tenderhearted son will take Hodor’s final chapter even harder than the rest of us. Not a good psychic burden to be added to the stresses of finals week! (It is some small comfort that he is not fully aware of how disturbing his seizures appear to people viewing them from the outside; he never has any memory of them.)
What iritates me most in this episode is Jon taking Longclaw with him. White walkers are coming and he takes the only weapon in Castle Black that can harm them to fight in a common war of men….
Mag,
OMG… Why summer?? Why are the dire wolves dyiNg? What does this mean? I’m not happy about this. Why????
Why hodor? OMG that last scene was EXTREMELY HARD TO WATCH I WAS CRYING THE WHOLE TIME
FAAACKKKKKK
I just think they extrapolated too much from the popularity of the ‘cock merchant’ routine from S5.
Or how about the people who make the most jokes about cocks in the first place are those in possession of them? In my experience, men are self-conscious about cocksmanship without needing women to mention it, and they don’t need cock jokes to empower women. Women don’t need it, anyway.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
I HAD THE SAME
FEAR
One word for next week.
COLDHANDS
Firannion,
I noticed that one of the COTF poked at a WW with spear and nothing happened, it bounced off I think. But when Meera does the same thing the WW shattered just like the one Jon killed. A little spark for the twins theory? Or did I miss something?
Flayed Potatoes,
Why?? Why?? What did it say??? Please sure (about Jon and Sansa)
Oh…I bet Summer is fine.
A bit cut up, but fine.
OR LIKE THE DEAD HORSES THE WHITE WALKERS RETURN TO LIFE AND RIDE.
Summer will become a minion of the Night’s King.
Could someone please explain to me how Wylis was affected? It just all doesn’t make sense to me due to Wylis having became “Hodor” long before Bran’s existence. So I can’t grasp how he became Hodor due to having visions of his own death and whilst being told to hold the door constantly.
Regardless loved the scene and think this is my favourite episode yet! Would just love some sort of logical explanation for my own closure.
Then Sansa will be hated once again by fans. While I don’t want it to happen this way, I also won’t be surprised if it does. She’s been a snooty, bratty, selfish kid before tragedy struck her family. If this is real life, she’d most likely retain her personality and become vindictive and even more self-absorbed as opposed to doing a 180 degree turn and all of a sudden be all about giving and family. Also, Sansa grew up seeing the likes of LF and Cersei play the game of thrones. Those, unfortunately, are her models so it won’t be far-fetched for her to become like them in some ways. But then, this is a fantasy story so I’ll continue to fantasize that Sansa has turned into this caring, loving lady who thinks of others’ interest first before her own. 🙂
Meera’s spears were tipped with dragonglass that she got from Sam when they met at the Nightfort. Not sure why the CotF’s spears were not, considering that they knew better than anybody that the WW are vulnerable to obsidian. Maybe they just ran out of it, since the blades appear to shatter along with the victim?
Dee,
Yes mam that last scene was all the feels. I cannot even be mad at Bran for causing shit, after all he’s young, adventure seeking and ignorant (as teens can be) and you can see on his face just how horrified he felt as he witnessed what happened with Hodor. (I’m really liking Isaac H. Wright in the role.)
Firannion,
They hit the armor, Meera hit his neck.
Nadia,
Yeah I’m
Not down with that
Dee,
My take on things.
She doesn’t tell them about LF because she doesn’t want them to tell them she refused a entire army because of personal reasons.
Then she tells them about Blackfish, to try and make it up.
She clearly cares about Jon, she made him the new armor and clearly trusts him because she says to Brienne, she will be safe with him.
Dee,
They said that LF still has some hold on Sansa. That Sansa does not completely trust Jon, that’s why she lied to him. Being with LF has left its mark on her and she is not coming into the discussions as a clean, pure Stark with full allegiance towards Jon and his people.
I don’t think this means she will betray him, that won’t happen, but some rivalry could be in store, who knows.
Nadia,
Ugh wtf???? Why????
ghost of winterfell,
”Trust” I don’t think it in the way some people think about it.
To me it’s more ”I don’t really trust him to understand, why I refused a entire army when we need it the most”
Not that she wants to betray Jon or thinks he will betray her..
Firannion,
I don’t remember that but glad someone did. Without an explanation I couldn’t quite put twins theory to bed.
This episode….WHAT THE FUCK!!!!
Still shocked by the revelations and the deaths of “Hold the door” and Summer.
Holy shit!!
Aszusz,
Ohh. I hadn’t considered that Bran not only lost his mobility with Wylis (can’t call him Hodor anymore, too sad!), but also lost his mobility with warging into Summer.
He proved he can warg into people, but is it everyone, or just someone with a lower IQ?
Sure he can still have visions and I guess he could still warg into other animals. But Summer played a key role in his ability to scout out stuff in the present, and Wylis carried him everywhere. Not many people will be able to outright carry a growing teen on a regular basis (Tormund? Wun Wun?).
Firannion,
Meera knew what was happening because it was getting cold in the cave and she could see their breaths..
ghost of winterfell,
Ugh I don’t like that – I won’t jump the gun but I won’t like that
I thought she was all Starks! Just based on episode 4
Mihnea,
I agree. I don’t really think she is manipulating Jon at all. However I do think she is being a bit naive and her plan with Bfish is bound to fail. And she will have to go back to LF.
Still, I think LF did get to her by saying she needs her own army instead of her brother’s. And she is trying to ensure this happens.
ghost of winterfell,
This I agree.
My theory: if Jon was rezzed and came back all Mr. Warrior, it would’ve been almost cliche. Beric had said he came back a little less each time. Jon had to be affected (otherwise why do it?), and this depressed, insecure, indecisive Jon is the result. Temporarily.
My theory also includes something happening that snaps him out of it, and brings on a Jon that’s stronger and more confident than ever before. But I don’t think he gets there without struggling with his own sense of self on the path.
Also, he’s almost always won before. As he said, “I lost. They murdered me.” He’s learned leading is not always about making the right decision, but convincing others it’s the right decision.
Have faith, my guess is this version of Jon only lasts another episode or two, then something happens to wake him up (my guess ep. 7), and we see kickbutt Jon the last three episodes, leading into next season.
Mihnea,
I hope you guys are right
Jon is my everything, and I will not accept him to be betrayed anymore
I’m with you! That Inside the Episode interview of D&D though had me worrying that they might go that path or at least appear to go there. Oh Arya, hurry up. Your most beloved brother might be needing you soon. 🙂
Sam,
:””(((( nooooo please
Firannion,
I think you’ll find that the Child was hitting the White Walker on his armoured Chest-plate, while Meera aimed her spear at his unprotected neck. :o)
ThisGirlHasNoName,
Strap his sled to a horse. That’s what nomads have done for millennia.
Now I wonder where they will find a horse hahaha 😉
Silly White Walkers need to stop worrying about being fashion plates and start wearing gorgets, then.
Sam giving her dragonglass spear-tips in season 3.
HereBeDragons,
I am thinking Jorah is either going to see Quaithe or possibly go to the Citadel in Oldtown (meets Sam). I would put my money on him going to Asshai or Qarth to meet up with Quaithe as she seemed to have knowledge about protecting people going past Valyria in S2.
Dee,
They said: That LF is still influencing Sansa, which is why she lied to Jon. She’s still tied to LF. If she was a “pure Stark” she wouldn’t lie to Jon and trust him.
Well I don’t know about you guys but I couldn’t sleep last night! Damn you Game of Thrones! That was definitely on some Fry’s Dog level lol.
A travois! What people did who hadn’t yet invented the wheel!
Hodors Bastard,
Yeah, I am betting that Jon’s line will pass as foreshadowing in the end!
Aryamad,
Yeah, that episode was 0.95 Seymours for me.
Mihnea,
Did LF offer the Vale army? I remember only him telling her about her great uncle.
Syrio Skeptist,
Timey Wimey.
Just rewatched the episode and still cant believe the things that happened. Amazing!!
Regarding Sansa lying to Jon? The way she reacts to Brienne calling her out on it makes me think it was an unconscious decision. She seemed somewhat surprised and uncertain about it herself. I don’t think it has anything to do with Jon or that she is going to betray him, but everything with Littlefinger.
Also just read an IGN article about the revalation about Hodor. First words to Hodor in the entire series?
“Help Bran down the hall”
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/05/23/game-of-thrones-this-man-correctly-guessed-the-meaning-behind-hodors-name-two-years-early
Cameryn,
The absolute saddest I have been watching Game of Thrones 🙁 For Bran and for Hodor. Just thinking about how everyone writes Hodor at the top and says Hodor at conventions, it just won’t be the same now.
GRRM is an absolute genius to come up with this stuff.
Most say Planetos, I believe: Essos being the east of Planetos and Westeros being the west.
The Old Gods, which are really the Children of the Forest and their trees, are modeled after the Druids, who also found significance in geometric symmetry and patterns. The Druids sort of worshiped nature, didn’t they? At the very least, they embraced nature. https://www.adf.org/articles/working/sigils.html
Fantastic episode with the exception of one part….. The Kingsmoot. I had had high hopes for the character portrayal of Euron when I saw him on the bridge, but it was completely ruined tonight. The writing and scripting of that scene truly diminished it’s greatness in the books. Euron who is supposed to be very intelligent, masterful, exotic and dynamic appeared to be no more than a simple bully with basic communication skills. And the rest of the Ironborn were like children! First cheering Theon, then cheering Asha, and then by the end running with Euron to go kill them. I just shook my head the entire time at both the ridiculousness of what I had watched as well as sadness for what was a great scene in the books.
Summer, Bran and Hodor. I don’t think I have been this affected since The Red Wedding. What a tragic yet incredible scene! And now whenever I’m in public and someone asks me to “hold the door” for them I will be reduced to a puddle of tears on the floor.
There’s something I’m very curious about Hodor/Wyllis.
What was the cause for Wyllis to turn into a mentally disabled Hodor? Was it the traumatizing effect of seeing himself die?
Or was it caused when he, as Wyllis, warged into his future self and never got returning to his original body?
I really hope for the latter because it would really make it sadder if young Wyllis died in his older body and that only the remnants of his consciousness stayed behind in the main host, all because of Bran serving as a link between the two.
Ginevra,
Yes, that’s true regarding the Druids. They worshiped nature and modern druids/wiccans still do.
Funny you should mention ‘Planetos’ as the name for the world of GoT which fans have adopted. I’ve seen it mentioned in a few posts, but never paid much attention. Thanks for the info 🙂
Haven’t read through all the comments yet, but I have a question…. When the heck are we going to get the second half of the TOJ scene?? Is Bran really going to warg back in time to confirm R+L=J, whilst on the run from weights and without a weir tree?
Thanks to you also for that info… I had no idea !!
I cried…and cried…and cried.
As a book reader, I was already prepared for many of the most shocking moments. I had already processed and grieved for these characters years and years ago.
I was so looking forward to Season 6, because FINALLY I wasn’t going to know everything. I wish I could have experienced the excitement, surprise, and shock that show watchers were experiencing. Now…I’m not so sure I can mentally handle much more.
Summer, Hodor…just heartbreaking. I’m emotionally wrecked. He held that door!
Questions:
Hodor: Obviously, Hodor experienced his own death as a young teen (unless adult Hodor survived those Redrum moments thru the door), but teen Hodor wasn’t reliving those final moments his entire life, right? It’s almost like he went into a permanent state of shock, because he was always so gentle and sweet.
Sansa: I was initially thinking that she didn’t tell Jon about Littlefinger because she was afraid Jon would be so desperate for the men that he would take his chances. But Sansa was going to take absolutely no chances by teaming up with Littlefinger, so she kept his offer a secret. But many fans in this forum are guessing that she doesn’t completely trust Jon, and the writers made reference to this in After the Episode. But yet she told Brienne that she would be safe with Jon and trusted him. What am I missing here? I genuinely thought that she didn’t want to take the chance of Littlefinger backstabbing Jon.
This was the first episode in the entire series I found totally disappointing. I’m totally struggling with the Bran / Hodor flashbacks / current state. If Hodor was having a seizure in Winterfell he couldn’t make the march north of the wall to hold the door to complete the circle
TOJ part two??,
I think don’t think we’ll see Tower of Joy until the season finale.
*Filming Spoiler*
Alexandre Laframboise,
I think it one of those crossing of time path moments. The fact that Bran is waging both young and old Hodor at the same time has just fried the circuitry and placed Hodor into a permanent liminal space. I think this is especially sad for Bran because he had no choice in the matter. If he had refused to warg Hodor (despite not knowing this was dangerous) he would have endangered all of humanity and not just his friends in the cave – if we consider what Bran can learn central to the narrative and the war to come. It’s all so sad for BR because he clearly knew this was going to happen, as did Leaf, illustrated in his telling Bran to listen to his friends. It’s also interesting that the solution to this story seems to indicate that their is no Lord of Light or a Great Other. The WW are not bad guys but victims who need to be released, like poor Hodor, to end the cycle of war.
Firannion,
Speaking of which, what’s with all the forearm action in this episode? Jorah’s greyscale,
A couple of times I thought I was watching a Star Wars flick. 😉
Or Harry Potter: Everybody’s getting the Dark Mark.
Door opens all of the possible things in life and on thrones .all things seem to make our favorite characters see a new path or door. To open or to keep closed
Alexandre Laframboise,
He basically had a seizure. Whether this was from the warging or the time slip, or something that happened between past and present we don’t Know. But certainly the seizure would have caused brain damage of some sort.
Samwell Johnson,
Total hopes and dreams deal- Episode 6 we see Lyanna and baby but significance of it isn’t revelaed until episode 10
Um, no. Having raised an epileptic child I can speak to this. Seizures are typically a symptom of brain damage/neurological anomalies, not the cause. In my son’s case, his seizure disorder may have been triggered by needing to have general anaesthesia twice within two days, as a result of an accident requiring surgery, at the age of one year. General anaesthesia is not good for still-growing brains.
Seizures are like a momentary short circuit in the brain’s wiring; but in the vast majority of cases, the sufferer is fine shortly afterwards (other than possibly vomiting and definitely needing to sleep), and has no recollection that anything out of the ordinary happened.
Oh man, I’m a Mel fan – we’re rare I think – and I was perplexed at how the dynamic between her and Jon has changed and we haven’t seen much of it. We saw a lot of how Mel reacted to Stannis and how he, in turn, reacted to her. I’ve gotten a good grasp of where she and Davos are, where she and Brienne are. But, is Jon avoiding her everytime she talks about TPTWP? How did she manage to talk herself to go with them? Did Jon just give in out of obligation? I’m so curious and the show’s underplaying of Mel, and Jon tbh, is making look me less favorably on other underplayed things I’d excused (the rez). I’m always here for the fantastical element and how people react to it and with it; the Bran storyline is fulfilling all my desires rn. But, Jon’s post-rez dynamics is something I’ve been waiting for since ADWD, like a lot of book readers, and I expected too much from the show, I think.
But didnt Jon slice the WW in Hardhome through his armour?