Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 5 – The Door – EARLY SPOILER CHAT!

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Oops, HBO has done it again. Well, HBO Nordic in this case. The newest episode of Game of Thrones season 6, “The Door,” has leaked and unfortunately is already all over the internet.

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So here it is, your early spoiler chat, radioactive nuclear-hot Spoiler Quarantine for “The Door.” Have at it!

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    1. What a remarkable episode. The ending completely blew my mind. The episode is jampacked and for me this Seasons episodes get better and better. Whenever I watch one I think its the best of the season, just until the next one arrives and its better than the one before. And we are just done with half the season.

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    2. I posted my question in other thread it was deleted. Again I am posting for the first time here but have been lurking for some time now.

      Is there a treatment for grayscale in the books?

      The Door is officially the saddest episode, even beats Red Wedding, in my book. Absolutely devastating……

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    3. Night’s King!

      Bran sneaks out to watch a horror flick….

      … Yes, and maybe a Hodor flick, too?

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    4. I know at least one person on Westeros.org actually guessed the “hold the door” thing several years ago. Congratulations to them.

      Though as we near the endgame, more and more “fan theories” are going to be proven accurate (and many more disproved). One also sees that in the reactions to the origin of the White Walkers.

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    5. Arya’s face at the Ned scenes 🙁

      Also, an asskicking for the waif is overdue. I can’t wait for Arya to overcome her.

      Also, it’s interesting that only Nymeria and Ghost remain. Hopefully they don’t axe Nymeria this season. Is it true that her wolf army is making an appearance this season?

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    6. Sean C.,

      Kudos to them.

      Ohh god, many will be angry at the WW origin. It was such a big thing that created dozens of theories. Some will be without a doubt disapointed.

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    7. Jinx47,

      Remember what Stannis once told Shireen in the show? I think it was even last season. He got all the men to Dragonstone that promised a cure, but noone could help. I think thats the exact thing we know from the books as well. At least I cant remember something else.

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    8. Amazing episode. Definitely top 5. I cried so much during the last scene… Poor Wyllis. RIP 3ER and Summer. Kingsmoot was great, I loved Euron. And Jon with the cloak OH MY he looked just like Ned. Also Littlefinger seemed genuinely sorry for what happened to Sansa, but I’m glad she didn’t forgive him. Great acting by Sophie Turner. I give this episode a perfect 10. How could they top this episode is beyond me.

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    9. RawJah:
      Jinx47,

      Remember what Stannis once told Shireen in the show? I think it was even last season. He got all the men to Dragonstone that promised a cure, but noone could help. I think thats the exact thing we know from the books as well. At least I cant remember something else.

      Thank you. I wonder if they are going to change it in the show. Otherwise there was no point to have it as the only Denny moment this episode and spent so much precious time on it.

      I also read somewhere that the whole season details as description has been leaked.

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    10. Sean C.:
      I know at least one person on Westeros.org actually guessed the “hold the door” thing several years ago.Congratulations to them.

      Though as we near the endgame, more and more “fan theories” are going to be proven accurate (and many more disproved).One also sees that in the reactions to the origin of the White Walkers.

      Well fans had 20 years to think things through. I’m glad this theory was correct… I always found it fascinating.

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    11. I was screaming when Summer died ?
      And Hodor ?

      Kingsmoot was too rushed imo, but i understand, they have to make space for Bran. Euron don’t look too threatening up to this point. Will this be the last time we see them?

      Daenarys, you just played the cruelest version of friendzone ?

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    12. What did you guys think about the Kingsmoot? I actually liked it. Honestly, the whole thing bored me somewhat in the books, but I love seeing psycho Euron on screen. Kudos to Yara and Theon for stealing the entire fleet and getting the hell out of dodge.

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    13. Jinx47,

      Well Shireen was cured somehow.

      Most likely they simply tried so many things, they don’t really know witch treatment actually cured her.

      Ian glenn also gave some hints he may be in S7…So we may see him again.

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    14. What a wonderful wonderful episode. That ending was just spectacular. Every scene was brilliantly done by Jack Bender.

      And Hodor, we are gonna miss him

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    15. Rhaenys Stark:
      Well fans had 20 years to think things through.

      That’s pretty much it. When you have many thousands of people speculating on the future of the story, give them years in which to do it, and an internet to share their ideas over, it’s inevitable that at least somebody will figure most of the story details out, given sufficient information from the source material. There are only so many ways a story can develop, after all, and nothing new under the sun.

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    16. #SaveTheDirewolves #SaveTheStarks

      RIP Summer and Hodor. Lighting a candle for Ghost and Nymeria. Hodor’s story is so tragic.

      This was the best episode of the season so far. Arya’s scene outside was so hilarious. I called it when I said Sansa will be making clothes for her and Jon this season. Bran will have some major character development next (the guilt he must feel is insane and he’s giving me serious Frodo vibes). Jon has completed his transformation into “Season 1 Ned Stark in the crypts of Winterfell”.

      Also, thank you Davos for telling Sansa what’s up.

      I love Yara and Meera so much! MEERA IS OP IN THIS EPISODE!!!!!

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    17. I thought the biggest reveal even more so than the walkers’ origin was the little moment when Meera stabbed to death one of WWs with what appeared to be an ordinary spear. Did I get that reveal right?

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    18. Jinx47,

      It was a spear the Children used, without a doubt it had Dragonglass.

      The death animation was just like when Jon killed one in hardhome and when Sam killed his in S3.

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    19. I’m so mad about Summer. Save the direwolves!!!

      The WW origin story makes sense if you look at the First Men and Andal Invasions. It’s GoT’s version of Age of Ultron.

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    20. I can’t wait to watch this in HD

      From the Dany Jorah scene, to the end with Summer and Hodor,
      I am a mess of emotions

      Seriously, I cried like a baby at the end (something not even Neds Death or the Red Wedding did to me)

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    21. Mihnea:
      Jinx47,

      It was a spear the Children used, without a doubt it had Dragonglass.

      The death animation was just like when Jon killed one in hardhome and when Sam killed his in S3.

      Oh thank you, it was hard to see on the WEBRIP version. Another reason to stay late night to rewatch everything.

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    22. Can someone explain me all the Sansa-Jon things?
      Sansa says to LF, Jon is her brother and she doesn’t trust him… he answers that she needs an army to be loyal only to her.
      Later she said lies to Jon, and tries to get an army loyal to her like LF told her to do?
      Also the look everyone gave to her when she said she is real Stark and people will support her and Jon is as Stark as Ramsay is Bolton.
      Then she was like, i am so happy i lied and i am getting an army but then she gave a direwolf coat to Jon while smiling. Sansa confused me!

      The last scene was amazing! So sad for Hodor.

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    23. I still need to truly grasp the end, where Bran is half in the present, half in the past, while warging…

      Its complex shit.. but intriguing as hell.

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    24. Jinx47,

      No there is no cure even in the books. People have been cured (like shireen), but so many different things were tried on them that no one knows what exactly cured them

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    25. Mihnea,

      Yes. Summer’s whimpers got to me bad and Hodor’s fate was so sad. His entire life was a tragedy because he was meant to be a sacrificial lamb. Seeing baby Hodor and old Hodor struggling was heart-wrenching. I even cried for that last child of the forest.

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    26. Mihnea,

      Apart from the spectacular last scene, I also cried when Sansa talked about what Ramsay did to her and when Jorah finally confessed his love to Dany. Amazing scenes and perfect acting by everyone involved, especially Sansa and Jorah. Can’t wait to see the preview for next week.

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    27. Mihnea:
      Anyone going to talk about the theater scene?

      It was hilarious! And sad….

      i wanted more of that. the theatre company is a very interesting and impressive collection of actors. And this season we are having way too much grotesque male nudity. That shot of penis with warts was disturbing even on my WBERIP version.

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    28. Rhaenys Stark,

      It was still preaty fresh so Sansa’s scene didn’t made me burst into crying but it definetly started there!
      God I love Ian Glenn, May he return to us soon.

      It was more a culmination of the entire episode rather then Hodor alone.
      Hodor was just the final straw….

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    29. Hey Sansa, soooo Bran’s wolf just died….just kinda wondering where you got all that fur for Jon’s new cloak?!?!

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    30. HelloThere,

      Yes. I prefer books and was really skeptical of this theory, but D&D already showed us they can make massive changes from the books. So in the show this theory may still be true.

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    31. Jinx47,

      Wait until you see it in HD..

      Well there was complaints we didn’t get enough male nudity…. I just doubt this is the kind of nudity the ladies wanted. LOL

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    32. Something about that scene between Jorah and Dany just made me feel like Jorah isn’t coming back into the story ever…

      It felt like the end (and i felt like Dany knew it, which is what made me feel emotional)

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    33. I wish I could say I stopped myself BUT I COULDN’T, and I’ll watch again at air time, and twice after that. Holy shit.

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    34. I wouldn’t be surprised if we lose Nymeria and Ghost this season. Who will be the last direwolf standing?

      I’m so upset. #SaveTheDirewolves

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    35. So Sansa is back to being a bitch to Jon after only one episode?

      -Reminds him he is a bastard and actually uses his name and status in a sentance in a comparison to Ramsey… WhatTheFu*k?
      -Lies to him
      – Tries to make it up to him by making him a cloak with the smallest Stark sigil possible and giving herself a frikn bat symbol sized Stark symbol on her chest.

      He is visibly offended by both of her slights.

      Unship Jon and that bi*ch please.

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    36. Jinx47,

      Only children can be saved, but not exactly treated. All grown ups are dead in some years… it’s strange how fast it’s advancing on Jorah.

      Anyway, this was an AMAZING episode!!! Well, an amazing ending. Until the Bran scenes it was alright. That’s the perfect word to describe it: alright. I liked the scenes with Sansa, nothing special. I kind of disliked what happened with Arya… she’s supposed to be no one, so why was she laughing and getting angry at that play?? Her Stark persona should be a long way beneath the surface…. if she reacted so easy to that the Faceless Man would know.

      The Moot… it started poorly, it was disappointing just like the arguments Yara and Euron used, but I liked Alfie Allen’s acting A LOT!!!

      Now Bran, WOW!!!! They started so fast explaining one of the great mysteries of the story: the origin of the White Walkers. It was one of the most popular theories out there… but with Hodor??? Bran being responsible, a lot fewer people believed that (also because in the books we didn’t know that young Walder was a normal boy). The ending was so touching… GOT hasn’t moved me like this in seasons.

      PS: WTF happened with Summer?? They’re really killing all the direwolves?? Why? They don’t want to spend the CGI budget on anything else than dragons??? I’m almost sure nothing like this happens in the books, they’ve shrank their importance from the start and now they’re just getting rid of them. It’s the only thing I kind of disliked about this episode. Poor Hodor 🙁

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    37. alwayswinter,

      I’m pretty sure they have supplies at the Wall (fur, leather, etc.). I’m shocked she made everything so fast lol. She’d destroy everyone on Project Runway.

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    38. Things I felt during this episode
      – Fuck yeah Sansa!
      – YAAAS YARA!
      – don’t know if I completely hate or kinda like Euron
      – Shit that’s how the white walkers came to be
      – awwww Jorah & yas dany don’t let him leave
      – Poor Arya (no one) having to watch that play
      – oooooo Varys just got shut down
      – Bran you absolute idiot.
      – That one small moment when tormund smiles at Brienne <3 SHIP
      – oh shit the walkers are here, WAKE UP BRAN
      – noooooo SUMMER </3
      – My heart is being ripped into a million pieces. Hodor you sweet giant. You had to live your whole life being taunted for being a half-wit. But you weren't a half-wit. You were sweet, and loyal, and innocent, and strong. And you held the door <3

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    39. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      What’s it like being a founding member of the He Man Woman Hater’s Club?

      “Her Stark emblem was bigger than his!” Fuck me bloody if that’s what you’re on about. What are you, eight years old?

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    40. Flayed Potatoes:
      alwayswinter,

      I’m pretty sure they have supplies at the Wall (fur, leather, etc.). I’m shocked she made everything so fast lol. She’d destroy everyone on Project Runway.

      Those intricate embroideries and leatherwork!!!! She must have had half of Asian child labour from Apple plants assisting out. 🙂

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    41. Seeing all this COTF and WW lore coming to pass, I just want to know more. Though probably we will need to wait for the books for that.

      Was that man the COTF turned into a WW the Night King?

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    42. Also.

      I am chellanging everyone to convince me that the story will end with a pact or truce with the WW.

      There will be a final battle and without a doubt Dany will also be there with the dragons.

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    43. Man… I don’t want Sansa to forgive LF or anything but the knights of the Vale sure would’ve come in handy at this point.

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    44. I’m a bit annoyed at Sansa. All Littlefinger had to do is say one sentence and she now starts lying to Jon. That Tully plan won’t work imo. She’ll come crawling back to LF and he’ll use her again and manipulate her against Jon. I hope it backfires and LF gets served, but I don’t think he’s done playing the Starks.

      She was way out of her league in the strategy meeting and Davos saw that. Jon planning the campaign was a nice reference to how he planned Stannis’ campaign in ADWD. He knows Northern houses. I get what her intention was with the Jon/Ramsay comparison, but it’s one of those things that sounds good in your head, but terrible when spoken lol.

      Jon = KITN CONFIRMED IMO

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    45. Flayed Potatoes,

      Haha yes I was just looking to add a bit of levity to the situation, what with all the direwolves now dying all of the time 🙁

      My mind just wandered to an eventual Bran/Jon/Sansa reunion where Bran looks at Jon like “that motherf***er’s wearing my wolf!”

      Anyway, an amazing, heartbreaking ep imo. 5 down, 5 to go!!

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    46. shinmenmusashi:
      HelloThere,

      Yes. I prefer books and was really skeptical of this theory, but D&D already showed us they can make massive changes from the books. So in the show this theory may still be true.

      I don’t know about that.

      The final scene was so powerful, it had the ring of truth; GRRM truth.

      And if it wasn’t cribbed from Cogman’s talks with GRRM about his ultimate plans, then Cogman has made a massive contribution to the series. Because I bought that entirely ; hook, line and sinker.

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    47. I was also very intrigued by the “passive agressive” conversation between Varys and the Red Priestess. So much said and yet unsaid. I need to rewatch that scene.
      Did she indicate that she is working with Mel? What did she communicate to Varys when she touched his hand?

      What was the meaning of all of it?

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    48. Connor,

      It doesn’t really work with the story of the Night’s King who was a brother of the Watch, a human…. I mean in his time the wall was already built. It’s obvious what we saw tonight takes place a long time before the story of the Night’s King. I’m not sure they’ll explain it in the show… they don’t need to, but in the books it’s probably just a position that’s passed down from a White Walker to another…

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    49. Brienne’s comments about Jon were pretty hilarious and on point. Class episode, but pretty traumatising 🙁 I wish they’d just leave the fricking direwolves alone! It’s gonna be some trek to get back to the wall safe with no wolf and no giant!

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    50. alwayswinter,

      Poor Bran.

      I am 100% sure he makes it past the Wall and it will allow the WW to come through….since he’s been marked and all.

      It’s tough being a Stark fan lmao.

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    51. Am I the only one feeling like the show has done a bad job explaining Children of the Forest? And now they are all dead. (?)

      I’m going to guess that Benjen will be saving Bran and Meera. Or maybe it’s Coldhands (don’t think so).

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    52. Rhaenys Stark,

      Brienne’s statement pretty clearly indicated that we’re meant to think it’s trust issues. Why exactly, I’m not sure, but there you are. And she may not want to get into that she turned down the Arryn army, which they kind of need.

      Hoyti Von Totiy:
      Ok leaving the last bit behind, she lied to him and compared Ned/Jon to Roose/Ramsey in a single sentance. After all Ramsey did to her?

      The point of that statement was not to compare character.

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    53. the last episode I cried at was The Red Wedding, now bam here comes the season 6 emotions train…Jon/Sansa last week, Hodor this week
      I’ll be so dehydrated by the end of the season

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    54. Rhaenys Stark:
      Why do you guys think Sansa lied to Jon?

      I think LF’s half-brother comment got to her. He’s manipulating her. I remember Sophie saying there will be some sibling rivalry.

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    55. (Deep sigh)

      I don’t know anymore; it just seems like they’re rushing WAY too fast to the end. You bring in Max von Sydow to play Bloodraven…and you kill him off after three episodes without even going into his backstory or explaining any kind of importance to the larger plot outside of being a deus ex machina for Bran?! George has hinted for years that the White Walkers are more interesting and complicated than the mindless force of destruction they appear to be…and the show just makes them into mindless zombies created by the Children of the Forest as a WMD to be used against the Andals. Call me Linda if you wish, but these are HUGE opportunities missed in the name of rushing to finish. Hopefully, George will get the chance to finish his story on his terms in the books because the ending we are getting here feels so reductive compared to what could be. Maybe this story works if I just judge it as a single work of TV as opposed to the knowledge that I have from the books, but I find it harder and harder to do so.

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    56. Oh god i was so sad for hodor.Honestly has there ever been a more tragic character than hodor?I understand his purpose but that was heartbreaking I felt even worse than during the red wedding cause he was completely inocent and pure and had a terrible ending

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    57. Mihnea:
      Rhaenys Stark,

      About LF? That’s her personal fight and struggle, she didn’t want Jon’s help with this.
      It was something she herself needed to do.

      No, the weird stuff is that LF talked to her against Jon, and she followed his advice. On the top she started lying to Jon. Brienne asked her why she lied and she didn’t even answer. Then she gave him a coat.
      It’s not personal…she wants Jon to fight a war for her, but she makes clear that people will get behind her and she wants the army to be loyal to her.
      She hides information from the people who are going to be on the battlefield.

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    58. Connor,

      Without any news of the actor coming to the GOT set?? Not happening. Maybe Coldhands… I never really gave him that much importance, but the visual of a huge elk might be something D&D would want to put in the show. They don’t have Hodor to carry him, how can Meera do it alone?

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    59. Ser Arian the lazy,

      Her acting wasn’t terrible, especially in that scene. I think Emilia’s great when she portrays a vulnerable, not-so-smug young woman. Her ‘regal’ scenes are sometimes off, but definitely not terrible.

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    60. RBloodworth,

      If you think the WW’s origin is different in the books, you are fooling yourself.

      The story is turning into a fantasy story, with a bit of politics in it, both books and show.

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    61. I didnt watch the episode yet, but i read it on a reddit post earlier. I only read the parts with Bran though.

      I am pissed about Summer dying though, i am NOT ready to see Summer die tonight 🙁

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    62. Hounded:
      So where did Jon & Co actually go? They all left Castle Black at the end but where are they heading?

      The first recruit North house, which one is the closest?

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    63. Game of Thrones Wiki is in chaos once again due to the fools at HBO Nordic.

      I can’t “ignore” the spoilers when I’m one of the guys who has to actively remove them – moderators here must know the feeling. God damn it.

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    64. Sean C.,

      But was there some double meaning in that sentence? On the one hand, she is saying that there is no reason for people to prefer Ramsey over Jon as they are both bastards, on the other emphasising that they are both bastards after all.

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    65. RBloodworth,

      Yeah keep waiting,i’m sure when he’s done with all the novels he’s written on his Not a Blog about Hugo puppies or whatever else irrelevant shit that no one cares about he’s eventually going to finish the books .

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    66. Rhaenys Stark,

      She doesn’t want Jon to know she met with LF, that’s for sure. You’d think she’d see past what LF did and just just hate-use him for his 45k army, though.

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    67. Flayed Potatoes: I think LF’s half-brother comment got to her. He’s manipulating her. I remember Sophie saying there will be some sibling rivalry.

      I agree it has something to do with LF’s last words about Jon. But I am sure it is not the interpretation of some people in this thread. And I am pretty confident she finds out about LF’s role in her father’s death this season.

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    68. Mihnea,

      Well, the origin is obviously this… but them being simply a mindless destruction force??? We’ll see, I doubt it. You said earlier that it will end up in a huge battle… well, that sounds cliched as hell :)). No, I don’t think we’re getting a truce, but it’s possible they simply put them back to sleep. Why did the White Walkers stop killing for 8000 years? what brought them back? it’s obviously not the Children of the Forrest again.

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    69. R.I.P.Hoddor.,

      This, Jon is risking his life after her pushing, and now she is withholding crucial information from him, that there is a Vale army ready to help them if they wanted.
      The North irritated me this episode.

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    70. Vlad,

      Yup, cliched. But once you throw away this notion that Martin is some kind of Jesus, who destroys tropes, it makes perfect sense. You don’t like it, just because you think he’ll throw a catch in the last minute…it won’t happen. You are lying to yourself.

      Mindless? Did you saw the NK and the other WW, they are clearly not mindless.
      The horde of wights they control is.

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    71. Mihnea:
      Also.

      I am chellanging everyone to convince me that the story will end with a pact or truce with the WW.

      There will be a final battle and without a doubt Dany will also be there with the dragons.

      I was wondering about this. Fire did not seem to bother the WWs in this episode either, so should we assume that it’s only dragonfire that will prove deadly for them?

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    72. Apart from the ending scene, this episode was a let down imo. Kingsmoot was butchered. Dany’s story is just fanservice at this point. The new Red Priestess is just cheesy. Littlefinger & Sansa stuff was meh, Castle Black stuff was cool I suppose, but when is it not?

      All complaints aside:

      That ending was at Hardhome levels of intensity. Like, holy shit. Fast paced, intense, exciting, heartbreaking… WHY DID THEY HAVE TO KILL SUMMER?? That whimpering broke my heart. And poor, poor Wyllis 🙁 He gave his life, his honor, his sanity for one purpose… he held the door ’til the very end 🙁

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    73. ghost of winterfell:
      Sean C.,

      But was there some double meaning in that sentence? On the one hand, she is saying that there is no reason for people to prefer Ramsey over Jon as they are both bastards, on the other emphasising that they are both bastards after all.

      Well, couldn’t she hints and foreshadowing at having Jon legitimised which I suspect is coming.

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    74. ghost of winterfell,

      I agree. Just wait till they get to those Northern houses and they’ll barely have soldiers to spare because they are: poor, rekt after the Red Wedding, rekt after taking their homes back from the Ironborn (as the show told us). She’s in for a rude awakening. 🙁

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    75. FFS!!! I come here to check if there is any interesting news on GoT day and I see this. HBO really have to do more to prevent leaks. I know they say they are trying, but they have to try more.

      Thank you to the mods for creating this thread, so people who have seen the episode can talk without ruining the other threads. I haven’t seen the episode yet, and won’t until it airs as 1) I don’t have time to watch it in full, and 2) I’d rather watch it the intended way; it is hardly worth the bother of watching a pirated version a few hours before the episode actually airs anyway.

      I’ll stay away from the site until I have seen the episode, because I don’t want to be spoiled in any thread. Hopefully no one else is spoiled (unless they want to be), and at least this thread warns people (I haven’t read any comments so I don’t know if people have been spoiled or not).

      I hope this doesn’t happen again, but I bet it will.

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    76. Anyone else kind of irritated by Euron’s portrayal this episode? It wasn’t necessarily bad, but it wasn’t good either. It was just sort of bland. Shame, too, because his introduction in episode 2 was so promising.

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    77. Hoyti Von Totiy,

      God, are you that dense? She’s saying that Ramsey is NO BETTER than Jon, because they are BOTH bastards of their lord fathers, NOT SAYING IT AS A BAD THING, JUST A FACT OF BLOOD AND BIOLOGY. Ramsey has no better claim on anything than Jon, Ramsey just got a piece of paper signed by a false boy king that says he’s legitimized, but we know what defense paper shields give, and what the people of the north think of the people trying to rule them from the south.

      It must be exhausting being you, being so righteously pissed off at the wrong things all of the time.

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    78. I think the end of the dire wolves marks will mark the beginning of the final war.It sort of marks the end of their childhood.

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    79. Austen:
      Anyone else kind of irritated by Euron’s portrayal this episode? It wasn’t nescarrily bad, but it wasn’t good either. It was just sort of bland. Shame, too, because his introduction in episode 2 was so promising.

      The whole Kingsmoot felt straight out of Chris Nolan’s “Dark Knight” in its composition and execution down to the music. Cinematically it was a departure. Don’t people agree?

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    80. Mihnea:
      All in all this is easly in my top 5!

      S6, so far is my favourite!! Just amazing all over.

      Definitely top 5 for me, perhaps even top 3 after rewatch.

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    81. Jinx47,

      The Umbers are the closest but they’ve already sided with the Boltons so I guess they’ll avoid them. Perhaps the Hornwoods? Then they might split up – some of the will go to Bear Island for the Mormonts and some of them to White Harbour for the the Manderlys

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    82. Ok so the priestess scene makes me believe that the whole prophecy thing relies strongly on religious propaganda (especially her saying she’ll send the priests to do PR work essentially lol). Both GURM and D&D have shown some healthy religious skepticism, so I hope this remains the same going forward. Many characters will fulfill a role in the war with the WW. Some will provide soldiers, some knowledge, some combat experience, some heavy fire related artillery lol. Also, her obsession with fire and purification is creepy….she’s creepier than Mel lmao.

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    83. Flayed Potatoes,

      Yup, the way it looks to me now, she will have to go back to LF for the Vale army, and it’s LF once again who holds all the cards. I do hope there is some final twist in this tale that we can’t see now 🙁

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    84. Mihnea,

      I actually love AFFC (on rereads, 1st read is a slog), but I hated the kingsmoot… went on.. and on… and on… and yes it was cool in the end (with the dragon horn), but it was never even on my radar for scenes i wished to see on the show.

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    85. Hounded:
      Jinx47,

      The Umbers are the closest but they’ve already sided with the Boltons so I guess they’ll avoid them. Perhaps the Hornwoods? Then they might split up – some of the will go to Bear Island for the Mormonts and some of them to White Harbour for the the Manderlys

      Hornwoods was prominently featured on the map shot. So possibly there. But I agree they are most likely splitting up for the next three episodes.

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    86. WTF, why another direwolf had to die?! This episode was so mesmerazing! I think it was comparable to the red wedding plot twist. I felt sorry for Hodor and his written long time ago destiny. Can’t wait to see how Bran is figuring out how to become proper three-eyed raven. And I am a bit angry of the death the former one- does it mean that there won’t be any hint of Tower of Joy plot in this season? I’m so confused after this episode!

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    87. Austen,

      I don’t find Euron very threatening tbh. And the fact that his ships were stolen so easily doesn’t help his case lmao. I’m curious how he’ll build 1000 ships so quickly 😛

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    88. Criterion,

      I won’t stop watching the show. It’s still my favorite show on television, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t see flaws in it and express my opinion about them.

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    89. HelloThere,

      Now…this is a strange thing… LOL. Won’t hear people who liked AFFC say the KM was bad…

      I agree with you though, I disliked it a bit, way to long for first.
      And then came the convienient plot device for Dany…

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    90. Mihnea,

      I actually don’t believe that GRRM plans on undermining every trope :). Nope. Well, people who just skim the story don’t see this, but he does kind of turn upside down all the fantasy tropes…. but if you go even deeper, he does actually follow all the fantasy tropes :))…. because well, they work.

      When it comes to White Walkers, I don’t think he’ll keep to them. Why? Well, because all his work is paralleled with Lord of the Rings. He thinks about this constantly and actually keeps bringing it up in interviews. Even in LOTR there are consequences even after the last huge battle: the destruction and retaking of the Shire. He’s not going to give a simpler story thank Tolkine well…. because he simply won’t do it :), even if maybe it seems contrived. That’s the way he thinks.

      As for the White Walkers, I’m not saying that they are mindless, of course they’re not, this is not the Zombie apocalypse :). No, but their actions and their destruction of everything living is mindless. There’s no negotiation, no compromise, no mercy, no nothing…. and I don’t think the fact that they were created by the Children of the Forrest is sufficient to give them the complexity GRRM would desire for them. I hope I made myself clear… I’m not viewing GRRM as a perfect writer, far from it

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    91. Mihnea:
      Jinx47,

      The drowning scene was, to me, one of the best stand-alone scene in the show.

      I agree. Aeron’s speech was sooo good. I think that drowning thing happens in the books right? The Ironborn drown their children and if they die they are not worthy or something like that.

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    92. Sean C.,

      What if the chain of events goes like this –
      Sansa has refused Littlefinger’s help but he will ignore this and still bring the Vale army to help in the battle for the North and help secure the Stark victory. Littlefinger is counting on this putting him back in Sansa’s good books and making her grateful for his help. However in the meantime Sansa has discovered what Littlefinger did and has him executed for it. So she would end up accepting his help and then killing him once she’s done needing him. A very Littlefinger move.

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    93. Well I just saw “The Door”…
      Will definitely watch it again tonight on TV when it airs to support the channel and the show.
      Don’t read the rest as it’s about the new episode and sorry if don’t know if this site allows spoiler tags–

      SPOILERS BELOW:
      I’m just going to say that it feels good to end the episode not on a cliffhanger, but on a rather sad scene as well as a scene that answers a question we’ve been wondering for a long time… I’ll have a different view looking at Hodor and hearing his quote from now on whenever I’ll re-watch the series from Season 1… And we somehow know that Bran’s ability as a Warg and Greenseer that he can somehow affect the past too, which is amazing. It’s the kind of tragedy I’ve been looking for in a long time, especially seeing it happen to someone as innocent as the sweet giant… I’ll need to watch it again later.

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    94. Mihnea,

      I was sobbing so much my mother had to calm me down 🙁 Hodor’s story is so so tragic 🙁
      Sorry, I don’t comment as much, I’m mostly a lurker of this website but this episode is compelling me to comment. It was amazingly heartbreaking 🙁

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    95. Please people stop talking about spoilers for future episodes, that you know of because of the reddit-leaks (or whatever is the source).

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    96. Hounded,

      That, again, would require her to learn what he did, which there’s no real prospect of since she’s going to be spending the season riding around the North, where nobody knows about it.

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    97. Labs,

      Welcome to the Wall! Hope you’ll become a active member of the community, from now on!

      My wife asked me, why I was sobbing and I could only say Hodor…

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    98. Rhaenys Stark,

      I don’t know if it’s done to everyone… no, it’s done to the priests. That was the part that seemed off to me. Drown him and than keep him there to see if he comes back. They made it seem magical… (they seem to take the more magical route with everything). Even the priests after being drowned are brought back, you know mouth to mouth breathing? :)) I mean, WTF? was Euron basing his entire plan on that priest not keeping him 5 seconds too long under water???

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    99. Alexandre Laframboise,

      I think he cant really change the past all the time. It was only, that he could influence Wyllis, because he warged into Hodor in the real time and that made him hear Meera as well somehow.. I mean, sure, he did change something in the past, but that was a veeeeeeeery special situation.. He was more the vehicle that made Wyllis be able to hear Meera.. I think..

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    100. Atish Vaze,

      That is simple backstory and worldbuilding, to add a bit of flavour.
      The books have ample time to do that, the show doesn’t.

      We can’t waste time on background characters past.

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    101. Can I just say something.

      I did not cry during the Red Wedding. I did not cry when Ned Stark died or when any of the Direwolves died. I have never cried in a Game of Thrones episode.

      But I cried in this one.

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    102. Mihnea,

      And Euron would agree to that?? If he doesn’t come back than he’s better off dead?? Well done than in making the ironborn even simpler than in the books. Didn’t think that was possible 😛

      And if he dies than what?? Who’s king? :)) Yara already ran with all the fleet (great preparation from Euron’s part on that as well)

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    103. I think Bran has already affected the past. One of that instance is Hodor. We will come to know if he has done something else too

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    104. Vlad,

      To prove how strong he is, it’s probally done to all the new kings.
      Ok, let’s stop.

      We won’t agree, on this. We clearly view stories in general, very different, not only this one.

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    105. I hope Jorah’s aunt at Bear Island makes an appearance in armor. That would be awesome. I’m surprised the Knights of the Vale are at Mote Caleyn since Ramsay actually drove the invaders out of there. I’m guessing like in the books Jon will gather those various small houses and groups in the North to join his ranks like what happened during the pink wax letter shenanigans.
      Am I the only one who didn’t like Sansa trusting LF’s remarks about uncle BlackFish? Does she know for a fact that anything is happening at River Run? Seemed like some of the old ignorant Sansa emerging. I don’t know if we’re getting a Sansa who is acting with a false sense of superiority and is going to fail hard soon or one who is going to end up all LF style with the secret bs plots.

      Still waiting for the Tyrell army to hit Kings Landing and deal with the Sparrow. I’m guessing Brienne is off to be captured on the way to River Run by a certain pissed off zombie.

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    106. ghost of winterfell,

      I hope so too. The way I see it is that LF will come out of this looking like a hero for helping Jon and I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets Sansa to agree to marry him. The only thing that would throw a wrench in his plans is the Northern houses supporting Jon as heir/lord/KITN over Sansa, and her agreeing to it without letting sibling rivalry get in the way. I think LF expects to be warden and Lord of Winterfell via marriage to Sansa, so that would ruin his plans.

      Can you imagine what will happen if Bran rides in with the R+L=J reveal and LF is there to find out? LF is the scariest and most dangerous character imo.

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    107. Atish Vaze:
      I think Bran has already affected the past. One of that instance is Hodor. We will come to know if he has done something else too

      Yes, I think this has a big implication moving forward. I wonder what else he’s done?????

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    108. I would’ve loved to have one of the CoTF coming along with Bran and Meera, they just look so beautiful!

      By the way, the stones around the tree of the three-eyed-raven are aligned the same as the horse heads the WW’s placed in season 3
      http://3g28wn33sno63ljjq514qr87.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/HorseCorpses.jpg|

      Loved Jorah and Dany! I’m afraid we might not see Jorah again this season.

      Kind of dissapointed with Arya but I’m sure it all pays off

      The Greyjoy part was bad. The new Greyjoy leader just had his entire fleet stolen, and people still want him as their leader? The scene felt rushed to me, although I did like the drowning ritual.

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    109. Guys, Sansa didn’t compare Jon to Ramsey in regards to their likeness. She compared them in regards to house loyalty. She was saying that houses have rallied around a bastard (Ramsey) so it isn’t far fetched for Stark loyal houses to rally around Jon.

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    110. RonSleet,

      Ramsay drove the Ironborn out of Moat Cailin and they were probably replaced with Bolton soldiers. LF could just claim he’s allied with the Boltons to get his army garrisoned there.

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    111. Surprised by the Hodor scenario. Sad about Summer and hope that Hodor survives. Not sure how I feel about this one. Shame that Bran didn’t go back to TOJ, if he had it might have saved the Night’s King and his horde from overtaking the Children and the cave. Ooh, what happens now!

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    112. Atish Vaze,

      Yes it’s a closed loop thing.He can’t change the past in a way that things in the present will change cause it has already happened.He has already done it.But in this case it was bloodraven who brings him there cause he needed hodor to become hodor.It was meant to happen.

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    113. Kingsmoot was ok, but I don’t know what will happen next. The Iron Islands plot is much better than Dorne in the show I think.

      But I don’t think that Iran will be the next big villain in the show. I think the biggest role he can get is Cersei’ right hand, or maybe even Dany’s ally if he kills Yara.

      There is nothing magical about him and that was his biggest advantage over Ramsay, Tywin, LF and other villains. I don’t like this decision . But we will see. I’m afraid that he will get Doran’s treatment.

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    114. Daegon,

      I felt the same… It’s a pain to bear for how he’s the most innocent character ever introduced so far, whose fate was laid from the start…

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    115. mau,

      I doubt it. The casting call mentioned that it was quite a big role.

      That can’t end with 2 scenes. He will most likely attack the Reach/Oldtown.

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    116. TormundsBeard,

      I think some people take issue with this because Jon is very sensitive about his bastard status and it’s one of the reasons he was hesitant to go and fight the Boltons last episode. He doesn’t think houses will support him because of his bastard status, whereas Ramsay was at least legitimized and the Boltons were placed in Winterfell by the Crown. It’s like rubbing salt into the wound, I guess.

      I’m sure Sansa means well and I get why she made the comparison, but it’s one of those things that sounds better in your head than when you say them out loud if that makes sense. She also has no military experience and hasn’t dealt with Northern houses, so she’s being a bit idealistic. We’ll have to see if her outlook changes when she deals with them directly.

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    117. RawJah:
      Alexandre Laframboise,

      I think he cant really change the past all the time. It was only, that he could influence Wyllis, because he warged into Hodor in the real time and that made him hear Meera as well somehow.. I mean, sure, he did change something in the past, but that was a veeeeeeeery special situation.. He was more the vehicle that made Wyllis be able to hear Meera.. I think..

      Yeah, I don’t think he can do it at will, but he can mess things up accidentally for sure. It’s unfortunate though since that does mean that he has to be careful when experiencing past events through visions.

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    118. Mihnea:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      Benjen to the rescue…?

      Benjen involved I think. Whether it is a BenHands/ ColdJen is the real mystery.

      It might be the CotF took him prisoner at the behest of Bloodraven, knowing he would be needed to get Bran back. That’s the best explanation for a living Benjen.

      It’s not a bad explanation for a dead one, too.

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    119. Steel_Wind,

      Yeah. I think he’ll be back just because, now will be the best time. He was mentioned last season at the assassination and we got him now, in the flashbacks.

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    120. OMG JACK BENDER!!! This guy should direct every episode from now on. I almost had a heart attack. Summer…. Hodor…. 3ER…. Second best episode of the whole series. Almost a Hardhome.

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    121. Mihnea,

      Alright, must’ve remembered that wrong

      Agro:
      OMG JACK BENDER!!! This guy should direct every episode from now on. I almost had a heart attack. Summer…. Hodor…. 3ER…. Second best episode of the whole series. Almost a Hardhome.

      I agree, I had high hopes for this man ever since he was announced. 🙂

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    122. OMG!!! I saw this thread and couldn’t resist going to look. In tears right now 🙁

      I’ll come back when I’ve got a grip…..

      Wow! Just wow!!!! I don’t seem to have much lucid thought past that. Amazing!! Heartbreaking, dramatic……..bfhhrtjvdrjmkjgfxefnvgrhkllbds…..bleh!!

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    123. Mihnea:
      mau,

      That can’t end with 2 scenes. He will most likely attack the Reach/Oldtown.

      I get the impression he wants to go after Yara and Theon. And if they survive, he can’t.

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    124. TormundsBeard: R.I.P.Hoddor.

      Yes, but you could see how other people and Jon looked at her when she said she is the real Stark.Awkward, I don’t know.. she was acting weird.

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    125. Lionthing,

      Sansa badasses over Littlefinger, and rejects his Knights help. Sends Brienne to Riverrun where her Great Uncle, the Blackfish, has rallied a small force of Tullys. Sansa, Jon, Davos, Brienne, Meli etc all leave together to find support in the North. Sansa makes Jon a cloak like Neds, Hype.

      Ayra gets her ass beat again, then gets a mission, she watches a play as actors play out a slightly bent version of her Father’s death, and then kills the lead actress, completing her mission.

      Bran has a vision of the Children of the Forest creating the Night’s King, and the whites, which they did to fight the first men, which ended up being a mistake.

      King’s Moot. Euron arrives, admits his crime, and rallies the Ironborn. Yara and Theon flee having lost the King’s Moot, stealing the best ships. Euron commands his men to build new ones, so he can go and meet Dany. Hype.

      Dany accepts Jorah’s service again, but he reveals his greyscale, says he’ll end his life before it consumes him, tells her he loves her, and then tries to leave, she commands him to do whatever he can to find a cure.

      In Meereen, Tyrion and Varys meet the high priestess of Rhallor, and she knows quite a lot about Varys’ past, and she goes out to increase their popularity in the city.

      Bran sneaks into a vision, to go back to the scene where the nights king was created, instead he finds it to be Winter, and the army of whites standing there staring at nothing, eventually the Night’s King spots him, grabs him, and Bran’s vision ends, he feels immense pain, and it is revealed that the Night’s King touching him allows him to enter the tree, and that he will be coming for them. The Three-eyed-Raven tells him its time for Bran to become him, and that he isnt ready, and takes him into a vision to show him whatever he can he the time left.

      The big Finale. The Night King arrives at the tree, with his whites, and tries to enter, with Bran still in a vision, the Children try to fend them off as best they can, but are overwhelmed, eventually, Meera’s voice appears inside Brans’ vision, like a voice from the heavens “wake up bran, we need hodor, warg into hodor”. The three-eyed-ravens tells him to follow the command. By this point, in the real world, Hodor is pulling bran on his sledge down a passage to safety, the children do their best to stop the oncoming onslaught of whites. Summer stays to fend them off, diving in and sacrificing herself for their safety (RIP Summer :'( ) – next, still running down the tunnel, Leaf, the Child of the Forest, sacrifices herself with an explosion to kill off the rest.

      Finally, the the end of the Tunnel, Meera and Hodor, along with Bran who has still not woken up have reached a door. Back to the vision, Bran sees Willis, following the command he Wargs through Willis, to Hodor, of course, the same person. Bran sees Hodor doing everything he can to “Hold the door” whilst meera escapes.

      In the vision, Willis falls down, fitting, and repeating the words “Hold the Door”.. and continues to do so, losing his mind, whilst Hodor in real life, Holds the door, and sadly, and dramatically, slowly ripped apart by whites, sacrificing his life for Bran/Meera, and you finally find out why he says Hodor, because all along he was destined to die, holding the door.

      Best episode ever!

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    126. I saw some of the scenes, i didnt see the kingsmoot part, Arya part, Dany part, Jon part with Sansa and co planning on what to do, only the Bran scenes, which i wished i saved for tonight to watch in HD. Shame on me!!

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    127. Not read all the comments yet but choose to watch this over the stream rather than be spoiled. People at Westeros.org are going to freak as there are a lot of Winds of Winter spoilers in there.

      Giving it a second watch now but it was gripping TV, non-stop just doesn’t let up and I am agreeing with D&D that this is the best season so far.

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    128. mau,

      If that is where he truly goes, I think Dany will be the one to kill him.

      Will see though, the casting notice sounded to big, in my opinion, to just kill him now.

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    129. Vlad,

      Dont fool yourself and dont call george martin in your defence . Martin is been pretty clear in his statements ( just see wiki) to compare the children oggi the forest to the sidhe also known as the aesi , the mythical elves oggi gaelic world who controlled the good forces of the nature , and their counterpart Are the fomorians also known as the jotun o jotunar , the ice supernatural demigods responsible for the long night and the climate change with the long winter in the ragnarok . The ragnarok ends with a great final clash between the gods heroes and humans on one side and the jotunar on the other ; the world is nearly destroyed , many gods and heroes sacrifice themselves for the victory , there are Earthquakes that submerge a lot of known lands ( explanation for the horn of winter waking the giants from the earth ) . The survivors to the havoc remake the world again , a New world . U wanted a truce a pact with the others ?? Coz They have Noble motives? The ones being til today , busy killing hundreds of thousands of human people Beyond the wall ???.

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    130. Alexandre Laframboise: Yeah, I don’t think he can do it at will, but he can mess things up accidentally for sure. It’s unfortunate though since that does mean that he has to be careful when experiencing past events through visions.

      I totally agree. Thanks for understanding what I meant. Wasnt sure if what i wrote made sense 😀

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    131. Mihnea,

      I didn’t say that he will die for sure. But if he is going to Meereen he will either be killed or became Dany’s ally, and both are disappointing IMO.

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    132. I did not read the article, nor the comments.
      Honestly, I cannot understand why anyone would want to deliberately deprive oneself of the joy to watch the episode without knowing. Really guys, it will air in a few hours. Don’t do this to yourselves.
      Having said that, I am out of here.

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    133. littlefinger just activate sansa’s bitch mode….he manipulate her and no she manipulate jon by keeping crusial information and when brienne ask why she lied the scene goes withj sansa giving him a gift…her jon=ramsay speech and her “i am a stark” and the smirk at the end… was weird it make sense but is terrible to hear and to say….jon will obviously trust her but what will happen when he will learn that she deal with littlefinger…behind his back?…..

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    134. Mihnea,

      I don’t believe anything he says lmao. He’s the cockroach of Westeros to me.

      ghost of winterfell,

      Jon is morphing into Ned 2.0 in front of our eyes. I hope he doesn’t develop the same…um…. decision-making skills lol.

      LF has like 10 contingency plans in case something goes wrong. It seems like it will be difficult for Sansa to outwit him. I hope she finds a way.

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    135. Mihnea,

      I often don’t write anything abut the scenes I like. 😀

      And I think that Kingsmoot was good scene, but Euorn is not someone who seems like an amazing character in the show. He is good, but too ordinary.

      I think this episode was really good, and this season was very good. My favorite season was S4, and E4 and E5 were the weakest episodes of that season, and here they are very strong.

      I can only imagine how good E6-10 will be.

      And I really liked their explanation for Blackfish and Riverrun. It is the best option they had, since they decided to delay that storyline. It will feel natural to the story.

      The worst option was to pretend that he has held that castle since S3.

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    136. The ending made me cry, like i never cry during a show ever. The music playing when Hodor was holding the door being held back by the wights and then it ending with Wyllis becoming Hodor, saying “hold the door” into “Hodor” and it ending with no music made me cry :'(

      RIP Summer and Hodor 🙁

      UNCLE BENJEN TO THE RESCUE!!

      It would be so awesome to see if its actually Benjen who saves Meera and Bran, it would ease the pain after what happened at the cave….

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    137. ghost of winterfell,

      Perhaps Sansa won’t have to go to LF, but LF will bring the army regardless, showing her that he “truly” cares, winning favour with the Starks again.

      ***
      I don’t get the hate for Sansa. She may have lied to protect either LF, Jon or both. It is too soon to judge her.

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    138. mau,

      Good to see you liked the episode overal.
      I agree, the episodes are very strong, much stronger then usual!

      Also agree on the BF, it made sense and even made him look even more badass!

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    139. The episode overall was great (RIP Hodor and Summer – Season 6 is definetely no “Time for Wolves” 🙁 ), but there are still some plotholes or at least open questions that bother me:

      – So, the Vale army is “encamped” at Moat Cailin right now. Does this mean the knights of the Vale laid siege to Moat Cailin, which was never taken from the southern side before?! In this case Ramsey would know that they are trying to invade the North, so he will be prepared. And how did Littlefinger manage to get through Moat Cailin unseen? From Runestone to Mole’s Town through enemy territory in only 1 episode, that must be a new record!

      – I get that Sansa is mad at LF and does not want to be dependent on him anymore, but turning down his offer to help her out with the Vale army is just stupid. She herself has noone to fight for her and Jon only “has” 2.000 wildlings, who btw never agreed to fight for him or the Stark cause. So she turns down LF’s offer to invade the North with a large, fresh, unscathed army, but immediately after that sends Brienne to get the Blackfish and his remaining Tully forces (probably just a few hundred men), who are busy with holding Riverrun against the Freys and Lannisters? And LF is supposed to tell the Vale knights “Sorry lads, Sansa does not want our help, let’s go home”? Also, why did she lie to Jon about her meeting with LF? Jon has never met him before and probably never heard anything about him, so why keep their meeting secret?

      – In their strategy meeting Jon and Sansa mention that the largest Northern forces are the Umbers, Karstarks and Manderlys. Sansa says “Fuck the Umbers, they gave Rickon to Ramsay”, but where did she get that information from? She did not know his whereabouts and Ramsay only wrote that he has Rickon, but not that it was the Smalljon who handed him over. Then she wants to ask the Karstarks for help instead, the only Northern house which has a good reason to support the Boltons… and noone even considers talking to the Manderlys, who are the only “big” house, who have not declared for Ramsey yet? But fine, go rally all the small houses instead 😀

      – The scenes with Bran and Bloodraven were confusing and felt a bit rushed. So, the Children of the Forest “made” the White Walkers? And now they are helping Bran and Bloodraven, who are fighting against them? ö.Ö The NK touching Bran in a vision enabled him to locate and enter the cave in the present? Bloodraven – knowing that they are running out of time and that Bran has to leave though he is “not ready” – uses his last opportunity to show Bran something significant for another Winterfell backyard visit?!? And what exactly happened with Hodor? Did Bran warg him while still being in a vision of the past, so that he accidently warged the Past-/Vision-Hodor, too, creating some kind of time paradoxon? Young Wyllis would never have become Hodor if Present-Hodor would not have to “hold the door”… and if Bran was still warging Hodor when he died, isn’t his mind lost now?

      There is also one thing that really annoys me this season: They are (re-)introducing so many great characters only to kill them off in the first or second scene in which they appear, with little or no dialogue or significant actions done before … basically only bringing them back for a good, shocking death scene to keep the body count up: Doran, Trystane, Areo, Roose, Balon, Osha, Khal Moro, Hodor (though his death at least had some significance)… you could put Summer and Shaggydog on the list as well. I guess Rickon and the Blackfish are next :/ I hope they keep the Hound around for a while once he is back.

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    140. lord of blogfell,

      I hate in the story that Sansa is manipulating Jon, but I like that she is not just a good and honorable person.

      I thought she would find out about Ned from Brienne (who could know this from Cat), but I was wrong.

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    141. YouHoldTheDoor,

      YouHoldTheDoor:
      How did Meera’s voice go through Bran and into Wyllis?

      That part didn’t make sense tbh

      The way I understood that scene is that while Bran is at Winterfell, he can still hear Meera as he is kind of the bridge between the past and the present. When BloodRaven tells him to warg into Wylis, he does. Young Wylis in proxy, can hear Meera since Bran warged into him. As Meera is telling Hodor to hold the door in the present, that is what Wylis hears from the present and says in the past. That is how hold the door became Hodor. If Bran did not warg into Wylis in the past, he would have never became Hodor and it would have ruined the timeline. I’m sorry if my explanation isn’t great!
      Bran will definitely feel a lot of remorse for what he did to Hodor 🙁

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    142. That was the saddest death yet…I can’t believe how heartbreaking the death was.

      And common!!!!! Stop killing the dire wolves already.
      Also, who is leaking these episode? I only watched it because I’m in Europe and If I wanted to watch Monday after work as I usually do, I would have to go through another Monday trying not to catch any spoilers (and I work in social media, so can’t avoid it)

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    143. Antares:
      ghost of winterfell,

      Perhaps Sansa won’t have to go to LF, but LF will bring the army regardless, showing her that he “truly” cares, winning favour with the Starks again.

      ***
      I don’t get the hate for Sansa. She may have lied to protect either LF, Jon or both. It is too soon to judge her.

      I think thats how its going to play out. LF is probalby saving the day in the big battle, and dont really like that:/

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    144. Mihnea,

      I know many of you guys hate them but Elio and Linda recently uploaded a video speculating that the CotF was responsible for creating the WW and lost control of them somehow. And I’ve seen it round and about Westeros.org too so yes, there are a lot of book readers who believed this.

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    145. Mihnea:
      Daughter of Winter,

      53 minutes…..weirdly because the official runtime is 57 and I doubt the credits are 3 minutes.

      Episode running times for this show always include the opening and closing credits, and are rounded up a minute if the show goes even one second over the preceding minute.

      Just for clarification.

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    146. Connor:
      I saw some of the scenes, i didnt see the kingsmoot part, Arya part, Dany part, Jon part with Sansa and co planning on what to do, only the Bran scenes, which i wished i saved for tonight to watch in HD. Shame on me!!

      Same here! I only watched the Sansa/Jon scenes and the Bran scenes and I regret it a little bit 🙁

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    147. How did Sansa find out that the Umbers gave Rickon away?

      Did they send the Umbers a raven and they were like “no thanks”????

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    148. Mihnea:
      taim,

      I don’t like it……but that is why I like it…

      Does this make sense to you?

      ? I dont like it because it would kind of lessen The starks win over Ramsey if LF comes to the rescue. Sansa just could have taken LFs offer, because they obviously dont have enough men for the battle.
      No LF is kind of the saviour if he comes in without the agreement of Sansa.

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    149. The wights were crawling on the damn ceiling of the cave! Spider-Wights, lmao.

      We need more explanation on how the Children of the forest created the White Walkers, the man they turned into a white walker in that vision was the guy who is now playing the Night King. Also, how can they raise the dead? We need more to go with here!!

      ps. the way Bloodraven died was kind of sad to me, when he turns into that black smoke (?) in the vision was pretty cool. The magic in this episode was insane! when the Night King cracked the ice like that was fucking awesome!!

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    150. TheKingWhoCares: basically only bringing them back for a good, shocking death scene to keep the body count up: Doran, Trystane, Areo, Roose, Balon, Osha, Khal Moro, Hodor (though his death at least had some significance)…

      Areo has been just an extra in the show. Doran and Trystan were not brought back in E1 to be killed off. They appeared in E10 of the last season, you can’t compare them with Osha.

      Osha, yes, just brought back to be killed off. But that is better than to be forgotten.

      Khal Moro wasn’t brought back, he was introduced this season and appeared in 3 episodes, just like Kraznys in S3, so nothing is rushed there.

      Roose’s death was foreshadowed since S5 and he wasn’t brought back, he has appeared in every season since S2. His death openedthe season, just like Joffrey’s in S4, nothing unusual there.

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    151. taim,

      I said. I like it…because I feel a bit uncomfortable with the idea.
      And asks if that makes sense. 🙂
      I didn’t mean to be rude or anything!

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    152. Geone:
      As a book-reader myself, i always had this hunch that the COTF were involved in creating the WW.

      As book reader as well, I had no idea. I read about the theory literally hours before the leak on Reddit and I was sold. When I actually saw the episode, I was completely mindblown.

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    153. This is was seriously my favoriote episode out of all season. The last 10 minutes were the best thing I have ever seen on televesion. I still have goosebumps, 5 minutes later

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    154. Geone,

      I feel like a potential cure for Greyscale is something that the Red God followers might know about. Tyrion and Varys met with the High Priestess in this episode. I can imagine all of this becoming connected by the end of the season. I can imagine Jorah disappearing for a few episodes though before popping up again near the end of the season.

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    155. Anyone still hoped that Summer will get through all those Wights in the end ? I’m still gutted that another direwolf died. Hopefully this is just for budget reasons and in the books the direwolves will not bite the dust.

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    156. Wasn’t Shireen cured from greyscale ? So a cure is around surely, but given the fact that Shireen was treated by alot of doctors and so on, noone could tell which cure was successful.

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    157. Geone,

      I think they just decided, they are to expensive and require to much work into it, and they give to little in return to the over-arching story.

      But Yeah I was gutted, his screams were really painful to hear!

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    158. Antares,

      maybe but she lied to the only man she can fully trust right in her life,he will fight for her and maybe die for her knowing that she lied to him, i can see now the sansa from the books…what she said at the briefing are words f full of dagger in the back “jon is a snow and will always will be even if he is written in the paper as a stark” she was also a bitch to davos by saying that that “northeners are loyal and don’t trust outsider” targetting davos jon gave her “ookaaay that was weird look” and finally she lied to jon when it wasn’t necessary jon is completly in the trust in her so she make a mistake

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    159. Some thoughts about the Arya scenes..

      Isnt it interesting, that Arya has to kill a Cersei, like in her List. Of course its not THE Cersei. But i think this makes it almost like a prophecy. I think its a test from Jaqen to see if she can stick to her task, especially in those special circumstances. Oh and did Arya know that Sansa had to marry Tyrion? Now she learned that as well.

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    160. Is anyone wondering why the WW are no longer working with the COTF but fighting them and willing to kill them?

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    161. Sean C.:
      I know at least one person on Westeros.org actually guessed the “hold the door” thing several years ago.Congratulations to them.

      Yeah, well, me too. Only I wasn’t being serious about it and was spitballing dumbass ideas with other fans.

      Hodor meaning “Hold the door” is uncomfortably close to the racist “What has six legs and says Ho De Do?” joke.

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    162. Iain Glen actually gave a huge interview and a small part was published two days ago.
      http://webogi.com/t9rwzT

      At the bottom it says that it’s just a small part of the whole thing, which will be published in June. Basically that’s a normal thing and we know from other actors, that the interviews are always divided into small parts before we get the whole thing. Based on this, there will still be some Jorah action later this season.

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    163. I believe that Arya ironically will spare the actress that plays Cersei, but she will kill the real Cersei in the not so distant future. Also i think that is the moment when she will decide to leave the FM and the Waif will be chasing her, and Arya will kill her too. She will always be a Stark, and will never forget what her family went through.

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    164. Flayed Potatoes,

      Maybe some henchman of the Umbers got wind of the treason, but couldn’t act against his liege lord. So, out of shame, he went to CB and took the black and shared his information.

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    165. That was hard to watch … the last part. I cried like a baby. I was surprisingly sad about the 3ER (Max Von Sydow’s fault) … then Summer broke my heart (Why do they have to kill all the direwolves … and listened Summer, awful) … but, then … the Hodor part … the combination of present and past … young Hodor… I cried so much.
      The Kingsmoot was so amazing … I didn’t expect Euron to tell everyone he paid the Iron price… That was so badass … Masterful scene. I loved it.
      Sansa/Littlefinger was interesting … I knew it was Littlefinger who suggested to look for the Blackfish… OMG, I have a feeling Arya will make an appearance in Winterfell this season. Please!!!!, only Nymeria’s pack of wolves could compensate the loss of both Summer and Shaggydog.

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    166. Ser Pounce:
      Is anyone wondering why the WW are no longer working with the COTF but fighting them and willing to kill them?

      I think it’s because they realized that they were more powerful and wanted to become independent from the COTF. When the COTF tried to stop them, they viewed their creator as an enemy. It’s kind of like the WW saying to the COTF that there are “no strings attached” to them anymore.

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    167. Did the Children of the Forest intend to have the White Walkers raise the dead? Or did they do it unknowingly? Hmmm, I want more about that. That one scene wasn’t enough on how the White Walkers can do what they do.

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    168. Ser Pounce,

      One good reason might be that the WW still have some human conscience in them and they are pissed that the COTF sacrificed them and making them these creatures. I don’t think they are too happy to live their lifes as a WW. Also GRRM stated on numerous occasions that the WW aren’t just mindless killing machines, hopefully this will be explored more in the future episodes and in the books too.

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    169. RBloodworth,

      I understand how you feel, but no one has sung just yet. There are 2 more seasons to go. Look, they were created by CofT, but that was thousands of years ago, and from man. So, what have they been doing for thousands of years? clearly, they are organized and at least a little thoughtful (not in the Hallmark way). They have not been out to destruct for all this time, so they must be content somewhere doing something. And for some reason they have been called back to deal with something. So, they MUST be more interesting than just being WMDs, regardless of how they came to be.

      And, now it seems there are no more CofT, so man and anti-man will still have to come to terms somehow. Battle? sure. absolutely. But, also, there is still room for something more. I could be wishful thinking. That happens.

      Speaking of battle, after the emotional turmoil of the episode, I do not see many people mentioning yet that we once again got a very clear shot of how they deal with fire. Thus, we got a pretty good idea of the physical power struggle to come.

      The WW can walk right through the fire and put it out. The wights cannot. But, once the WW put out the fire, the wights are a go. This is interesting in terms of how Danny’s fire thing and the dragons will play into the wars to come.

      also, the fuckety fuck fuck time travel paradox. I’m not going in on that. I refuse to get sucked into it again. nope. This explains so much. Why GRRM was watching LOST with such interest, why he said “i do not want to shit the bed like LOST,” why Bender directed. Just gonna leave that there and walk away.

      The acting and emotion of this episode was bar none. each scene was gorgeous.

      The tin foil will be grade A starting tonight. tehe.

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    170. Antares,

      I think that it is more likely that Sansa knew from Theon that Rickon went to the Umbers and when she read the letter she assumed that the Umbers delivered Rickon to Ramsay. It’s a big stretch too …

      Another theory might be that the GNC it is in effect and Sansa knows about it.

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    171. Connor,

      COTF probably didn’t realize what they created until it was too late, kind of like how nuclear weapons were created without knowing what would be the real consequences on our world.

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    172. Mihnea,
      I know right? I loved it too! I don’t know if you watched the new Captain America movie but it’s really good! Especially the fighting sequence!

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    173. Geone:
      Wasn’t Shireen cured from greyscale ? So a cure is around surely, but given the fact that Shireen was treated by alot of doctors and so on, noone could tell which cure was successful.

      Who knows what the show will say about greyscale? In the books, sometimes, in children it just stops progressing , so in the south they say the child survived . beyond the wall, wildlings say it’s only dormant and will come back – there is no cure.

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    174. Izatty,

      That was some usual fire, the Dragons breathe dragonfire, from which Dragonglass is made, which when used against the WW is deadly. The magic from the dragons can hurt the WW (the fire breathen by them).

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    175. Geone,

      That seems to be the reason she was given the assignment in the first place. It’s the ultimate test to show if she truly has left behind Arya Stark and is “no one”.

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    176. RawJah,

      i think this kill was ordered by cersei, like how qyburn and mountain are told to go kill everyone who talks shit about her. when arya figures that out, she will be out of there. no way she kills for cersei.

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    177. Mihnea,

      Believe me you are not alone…wow, I’m still reeling. Can’t wait to see it again tonight on HBONOW. It swept me away. Kingsmoot a bit hurried, but still good and overall it was just so amazing. Everytime I think I have a favorite episode another comes along and kicks me. Poor Hodor and Summer….someone here mentioned the wolves are getting slaughtered…I hope it’s not an omen. We are down to Nymeria and Ghost…scary.
      Amazing, sad, blown away, just a few things that sum up how I feel right now.

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    178. [Spoiler] why did the bloodraven say that ‘now its time for you to become me’ and take Bran back to winterfell to make Hodor (gulp, gulp, sob], Hodor?

      Can someone please explain the connotations of this? Is Bran the Three-eyed Raven? Is Bran going to become coldhands? Cause you know, the mark on his hands and all??

      And WTF BRAN!

      [\Spoiler]

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    179. ” A girl has decided.” Am I the only one thinking that Arya doesn’t want to kill a decent woman and will make a run for it?

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    180. Aside from all the craziness happening in westeros, all things seem to be leading to the second siege of Meereen. where Euron arrives and helps fight against the Masters. That would be epic.

      *****STILL WAITING TO SEE DROGON******

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    181. Mihnea,

      Yikes. 😐

      And despite that, Sansa didn’t feel any regret for rejecting the Arryn army. Oh boy….we’re in for a crazy ride…

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    182. A dark thought crossed my mind … Bear with me.

      So, in the show, it is clearly stated that Bran can change the past to some degree. Let’s say that maybe the guilt he will feel for Hodor will make him stay away from interacting with what already happened (like BR said in the trailers “The past is already written. The ink is dry. We watch, we listen and we remember). But this is too much of a risk for the show/books, what if his life is threatened again or something like that … I guess the only way to be sure that the past won’t be altered is killing Bran off. I fear this could happen at some point in the future … Hopefully i’m wrong.

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    183. Plus, Sansa is like the stupidest girl or is she cleverest? She wants Jon to fight for her, but reminds him that he is a bastard.I hate her,Forget about what happened to her in the past, I just plain don’t like her that she actually led LF to manipulate her, knowing full well all his manipulations and how he uses people. Plus she’s trying to play Jon? Seriously? I mean come on, give the man a break

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    184. RawJah,

      I think killing the actress is a test from the Faceless Men to see if she truly is No One.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Arya ends up killing the real Cersei too. Forshadowing!

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    185. Mihnea:
      Geone,

      Well, that would be end-game material, I think the season he is safe.

      He still needs to tell Jon about the TOJ!

      I meant after that, after this season, if he makes it in the endgame … I’m not so sure, but alas, i was 80 % sure that Rickon will be the one to inherit Winterfell, and after what happened in this season, that theory is close to breaking point.

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    186. Flayed Potatoes,

      Going by the next two episodes descriptions, it seems that Arya will

      not want to kill the actress and then Jaqen will send the Waif to kill her, and then Arya will kill the Waif and escape Braavos to Westoros and then to the Riverlands, as reported from filming spoilers posted on this site months back.

      We might get Nymeria and her wolfpack this season, and a reunion between Arya and Nymeria! I am excited to see if that happens, it will be a happy moment for Arya. 😀

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    187. Mihnea,

      I think bloodraven is the one who did it on purpose.He took bran there cause he knew it was time for hodor to become hodor,cause it was always meant to happen.

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    188. I don’t really think she acted as horribly as most of you are saying she did. Sure, she lied to Jon about LF, the Blackfish and the Vale armies. That is bad and will have repercussions later on, I’m sure of it.

      But, well, when she compared him to Ramsay…she was right. Within the Show’s own context, a Bastard who killed his father is ruling the North. Yes, he was made a Bolton, but I really doubt the Lords and Ladies care about that…he’ll always be Roose’s bastard. Jon is also a bastard, that’s pretty clear, but when Sansa was comparing both of them, she was doing it because of the way Northeners believe in power. As soon as Jon shows his strength, many Northern Houses will follow him, the same as many other Houses are following Ramsay, just because of the sheer fear he inspires.

      This is, of course, something that happens on the Show. Kinslaying doesn’t seem much of a problem (the way Euron talks about killing Yara and Theon), the same with bastards. Sansa mentions herself as the Stark because she is, indeed, a Stark. They already have the Stark name on her, they shouldn’t worry about Jon being a bastard.

      Besides, even Brienne calls on Sansa on her lying to Jon, and it’s clear she feels bad about it, just look at her face (by the way, Sophie’s acting this season is superb). She’s got used to lies, that’s all. She realizes it on that very moment. It’s what happens when your “protector” is LF, and your husband Ramsay. You lie to survive.

      But she still makes him the new Stark clothers, as close as the ones Ned wore, and she still acted very nicely to him on that scene. Jon also didn’t seem too hurt about the whole “bastard” stuff. I think some of you are looking the wrong way about her scenes last episode.

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    189. BTW, has been watcher for a while, didn’t think I’m capable of commenting with my limited knowledge. Has to comment today
      RIP Hodor. RIP Summer 🙁

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    190. Oh man, this episode is going to gut me. Summer 🙁 Hodor 🙁

      I haven’t watched it yet because I don’t want HBO’s lawyers coming after me, but I’m so glad I read the spoilers because if I had to watch the events with Bran and Co unprepared I’d be bigger mess than I am now.

      I did see a screencap of Tormund’s look to Brienne as they leave CB…comedy gold! I ship them, man, I ship ’em hard.

      What’s the screen time breakdown? Sounds like the Starks get the bulk of the time, yeah? Leaving, what, 20 minutes for Dany, Tyrion, and the Kingsmoot?

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    191. Also, was Kinvara calling Varys out? “As long as we serve the same queen, you have nothing to worry about.” *Varys looking super worried*

      Maybe Varys is behind the Harpys?

      And, also, doesn’t it suddenly seem like the political GoT is a completely different story then the mythical, fantasy GoT?

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    192. Izatty:
      RawJah,

      i think this kill was ordered by cersei, like how qyburn and mountain are told to go kill everyone who talks shit about her. when arya figures that out, she will be out of there. no way she kills for cersei.

      Interesting theory. I’m not sure, if Cersei really gives a shit about what people in Braavos think of her. But could be, nontheless. REally interesting thought.

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    193. lord of blogfell:
      littlefinger just activate sansa’s bitch mode….he manipulate her and no she manipulate jon by keepingcrusial information and when brienne ask why she lied the scene goes withj sansa giving him a gift…her jon=ramsay speech and her “i am a stark” and the smirk at the end… was weird it make sense but is terrible to hear and to say….jon will obviously trust her but what will happen when he will learn that she deal with littlefinger…behind his back?…..

      You guys really hate confident women don’t you? First Daenerys now Sansa. I see you.

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    194. Geone:
      Izatty,

      That was some usual fire, the Dragons breathe dragonfire, from which Dragonglass is made, which when used against the WW is deadly. The magic from the dragons can hurt the WW (the fire breathen by them).

      But, don’t you think the CofT fire is somewhat magical too? I mean that was a very purposeful scene- exactly about fire. IDK, seemed like they were trying to show something more than just what appears on the surface.

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    195. But wasn’t Hodor already a bit slow ? Maybe in the end he would become Hodor no matter what Bran did, they just rushed it a bit.

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    196. Can someone please help a girl out? I’m so confused!

      Who warged into Hodor to get him to move and start helping Meera and COTF. I thought it was Bran until I seen that Bran was still in the vision. I thought that for Bran to warg into Hodor that was where his mind had to be – surely he can’t have his mind in two places at once???

      Also what made Hodor have his vision of hold the door? Was Bran warging into Hodor in the vision who then connected to Hodor in the present? Or was Bran not a part of it at all? OR did Bran just make Hodor have a vision?

      I loved the ep but I didn’t have feels at the end because of how confusing I found it

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    197. Izatty,

      I think it’s a normal evolution.

      We start, with a preaty much normal world, that resambles our own but slowly, piece by piece we are being given, more and more fantasy elements!
      Slowly the politics seem so pointless, so petty and meaningless in face of the real threat, the real enemy.

      My question is, how would we react, if these horrors were all true?
      In my opinion this is the main theme, not politics and backstabbing.
      How would normal people, react if everything would be true?

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    198. Geone,

      Or Hodor always needed to be Hodor, so he can hold the door and Bran surviving…so he can make him Hodor….

      Time-travel is crazy..

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    199. Mihnea,

      RawJah: Interesting theory. I’m not sure, if Cersei really gives a shit about what people in Braavos think of her. But could be, nontheless. REally interesting thought.

      Thanks. She straight up told Qyburn, i his lab, use the little birds all over the lands to ferret out anyone who is talking shit about the Lannisters, even beyond KL. Mummers was a major way of disseminating information/propaganda.

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    200. On a second thought … it will be too easy for Dany to just ride her dragons over the WW and bathe them in dragonfire and that’s the end of it … The WW surely must have a weapon against Dragons too … Maybe they will be capable of warging them ?

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    201. Geone,

      She has to get there. There is no other way to stop them.

      That doesn’t mean it will be easy or it will have a happy ending. I think all her dragons will die and perhaps even she will die in the final fight.

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    202. Geone:
      Ithink that it is more likely that Sansa knew from Theon that Rickon went to the Umbers and when she read the letter she assumed that the Umbers delivered Rickon to Ramsay.

      Theon didn’t know that Rickon went to the Umbers. He had no idea where they went.

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    203. Mihnea,

      interesting point. How would we react if there was a threat that could destroy all humanity and the world needed to come together to stop it? hmmmm….don’t think any political machinations have stopped. In fact, they seem to have gotten worse rather than better. Don’t think most average people have stopped to think about “winter.”

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    204. mau,

      Yes, I know, not all of them were missing for a season or longer, but my point is that they all contributed little to nothing to the story since their first season 6 appearance.

      – Doran apparantly had no “Fire & Blood masterplan” or no plan at all in the show and really was the weak man/leader that others saw in him, which makes his character somehow pointless. He did not even had good dialogue scenes, which is very disappointing, especially for the book readers.
      – Trystane was placed on a ship with Myrcella’s body last season, heading straight towards an already paranoid Cercei… that seemed like a great build-up for some Mad Queen revenge plot against Dorne and ended up as the most stupid death scene the show has ever done.
      – Show-Areo was a background character, yes, but his only purpose was to protect Doran. And he went down by being stabbed in the back and not even trying to fight back. If he had died after a short fight scene with the Martell guards while trying to defend Doran from Ellaria, it would have been a fitting end for him. Goddamn, he never even used his axe in the series 😀
      – There was indeed a build-up for Ramsay killing Roose, but I would have preferred if they had kept him around for another 2-3 episodes. It would have been interesting to see his reaction to Smalljon handing over Rickon and him trying to rally the other houses against Jon and the wildlings while keeping Ramsey under control. We never really got to see Roose’s strategic skills or his distrust against Ramsey. The show made him way more naive than he is in the books. He should seen have his own death coming from a mile away 😀
      – Balon’s death was long overdue and was okay for me
      – Osha… yes, it made sense to kill her off quickly since she was no longer needed, but she only had one dialogue scene this season. A “farewell” scene with Rickon or some small “Ghost in Winterfell” plot would have been nice, but yes, it was okay.
      – Introducing a whole bunch of new Dothraki characters only to barbeque them all after 2-3 scenes was a bit strange. At least one of the khals/warriors should have survived to lead Dany’s new Dothraki army into battle. I really liked Khal Moro after his appearance in episode 6×01 and thought he would end up supporting Dany, but he became a total asshole in the 6×04 scene.
      – Shaggydog was killed off-screen, Summer only had one short scene this season…
      – Now Hodor is gone, too 🙁 They are really trying to get rid off all the minor characters as quickly as they can. I guess there won’t be many supporting characters making it to the final season.

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    205. Dammit, Sansa is being a selfish, manipulative liar. Is she just using Jon to get what she wants and then she will screw him over?

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    206. TheHeartTree,

      there is a lot to unpack in that bit. I think Bran did have his mind in two places at once, and he can because of his powers. But for Hodor this was a mind melter.

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    207. Oh my god.
      That ending was really sad an unexpected. Bran , your hubris is through the fucking roof! Look what you’ve done! I’m guessing he’ll hate himself for this, big time.
      How in hell will Bran and Meera survive this… 🙁
      That flaming mace dude from the trailer probably plays a part. Benjen? Coldhands?

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    208. The funniest part was when everyone left and only Edd remained with like ten guys so he was like I guess I’m Lord Comander lol.And I know most people think he is pretty much tost,but who knows guys he might make it.I have faith haha

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    209. Izatty,

      I mean, they seem petty to us, not the characters. Compared to the WW and the threat of the end of world, the Tyrrel/Lannister conflict seems so…pointless, so meaningless, they fight one another, and in the end even if they ”win”, they help only the WW.

      It’s also sad/depressing to see this, everyone is fighting among themselves, weakening themselves, ignorant that death is slowly coming for all of them.

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    210. Summer’s death KILLED me – whyyyy did he have to die?! It’s not real, it’s not real, it’s not real…I’m gonna have to keep telling myself this all day…

      As far as Kinvara is concerned – I like that she mentioned Daenerys being the one that is “promised”, much as Melisandre said to Davos about Jon. I wonder if she and the other Red Priests/Priestesses know about Melisandre’s new mission of believing in and supporting Jon as TPWWP, versus Daenerys, and how that divide will affect everything to come.

      Bran’s storyline has really wowed me this season – he wasn’t one of my favorite characters in previous seasons, but seeing just how important and powerful he truly is has totally gotten my attention. I’m surprised that Bloodraven died, but I figured we’d be losing him in some sense soon, since he said that Bran wouldn’t be stuck in the cave forever. Meera is a badass, thank the gods for her. With Bran being marked now, though…it’s definitely going to be a race against time for he and Meera. Uncle Benjen, where areee youuu?…

      Arya’s story is starting to grip me finally…I think we see where it’s heading though. When she mentioned that the actress seemed like a decent person, and had some slight reservations when talking with Jaqen…a girl won’t get a third chance, so I’m excited to see Arya take on the Waif and head back to Westeros.

      All in all, I loved this episode, even though the ending has made a mess of my soul for the day. I’m glad the WW finally made an appearance, and that we learned their origins, even if that did seem a bit…rushed somewhat.

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    211. Mihnea,

      i meant, in real life, we act petty too, especially politically, and are very well versed in denial. Just like the people of the realm.

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    212. I accidentally saw it on reddit last night-the details, not the actual show-and I’m just so sad about Hodor. His whole life was changed because of his future death. Because no one is allowed to warg into another person-and even worse-to warg into a person in the past while his future self is dying. But BR had to make him do it because it had already been done. If Hodor had been Wylis, he would have been a warrior and joined Ned in the rebellion or left Winterfell. He wouldn’t have been the one tasked with carrying Bran North of the Wall to BR in the first place…and sacrificing himself so Bran could live *sob*
      He’s a hero and I hope Bran never forgets the damage his powers can do.

      Jorah…now as soon as I read this I thought about something. I’ve been rewatching again. Did anyone realize Quaithe only spoke to Jorah in season 2 and then disappeared? And her second and last sighting she was painting protective magic on a guy traveling close to the Doom of Valyria where Jorah got his greyscale?
      Wouldn’t it be cool if she shows up and saves his arm and then gives him some info that will help Dany? I say yes. This is my new dream for Jorah because I don’t want him to disappear.

      Also BENJEN next episode. Seriously they need horses and Meera needs help. Benjen is coming. BTW I’m pretty sure Benjen knows a little something about Lyanna…and his family crypts…just saying.

      Still watching tonight, even though it’s going to break my heart. Hodor needs more than a last call RIP. He needs a memorial statue. *sniffle*

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    213. Geone:
      But wasn’t Hodor already a bit slow ? Maybe in the end he would become Hodor no matter what Bran did, they just rushed it a bit.

      Wylis wasn’t slow, that is why they showed Wylis in the flashback in episode 2, to show that Hodor wasn’t slow, that something happened to him that changed him completely. I personally don’t think it was rushed, as they set it up with the episode 2 flashback, that there was more to Hodor’s story. The ending finally shows us what really happened to Hodor, how he came to be and that Bran was ultimately the one that made him this way. It was truly heartbreaking.

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    214. OK having read all the comments and having watched the episode my head is buzzing for end game thoughts:
      1) I agree Bran going through the wall with the Nights King mark may bring it down like it did the cave; this sounds like a perfect episode 10 moment.
      2) I think we will see Coldhands save Bran and Meera rather than Benjen.
      3) Sansa is still a bit of an idiot at times, but I generally like her story, it will be interesting how she gets the Knights of the Vale to fight later, I’m guessing she realises it’s the only option.
      4) Euron bringing his fleet to Dany is clearly aligned with the books, I’m assuming she will kill him after arriving in Westeros.
      5) The White Walker origin I am convinced is coming straight from GRRM. The Hodor stuff I would assume is also from GRRM but it may not be.
      6) Dany I am becoming more convinced has to die, this story cannot end with dragons or white walkers still roaming around. I would suggest Jon is the ultimate protagonist and brings balance some how.
      7) We know Bran will still have visions so most likely he tells Jon about his parents i.e. R+L=J and this is coming in the next few episodes once they find a weirwood to rest at. Isn’t there one near the wall?
      8) I think Tyrion is making some mistakes in Meereen even if they are for the right reasons, I think both his recent decisions will come to bite him and the Sons of Harpy/Slavers will rise up only for Dany to run in and ruin the city before setting off for Westeros. I agree she may pull a Stannis and stop persuing the Iron throne in order to meet the white walkers.

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    215. Jenny,

      Seeing Edd with so few Night’s Watchmen got me SO nervous! They have so few people and resources…I don’t see them holding down Castle Black when the WW show up…they’ll probably just sweep right on thru with the cold and take Edd and the rest with them.

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    216. Mihnea:
      Jenny,

      Jon-”don’t knock it down, while I’m gone”

      It’s going to fall, you just know it!

      OMG, that is something I missed! This is definitely foreshadowing the Wall falling. I think this will be the ending scene of episode 10. That will be freaking awesome!

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    217. Kill the boy and let the man be born still hasn’t happened. Jon came back from the dead to be manipulated by some vengeful, selfish chick who contributed to her family’s tragedy in the first place. In the original draft of ASOIAF Martin had Sansa betray her family and die for it. Perhaps it’s what will happen in the show.

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    218. Labs,

      As horribly bad as I felt for Hodor, I also felt terrible for Bran when he realized that he “made” Hodor the way he is. I wonder how that guilt will play out as Bran comes to grips with what has happened…”The past is already written, the ink is dry”…made sense before, but this ending demonstrated it to the fullest.

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    219. Mihnea,

      Yeah I know it’s going to fall.GRRM put it there for it to fall otherwise there is no conflict lol.For the longest time I thought it was going to fall at the end of this season,but now I’m changing my mind.I feel like it’s too soon.Maybe sometime next season.And I know this why most people think Edd is toast,but who knows he might survive us yet.I will continue to live in denial till it happens haha

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    220. The only thing that comes to my mind after watching this episode is the LOTR-scene in which Aragorn kicks the orc´s helmet…

      …or listening to Simon & Garfunkel´s original Sounds of Silence…

      …or watching Rust & Bone on repeat…

      Actually, I can think about a lot of things, but they´re all pretty sad…

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    221. Just to give my 2 cents about Sansa in this Episode:

      She really confused me. NOt only lies she about how she knows about the Blackfish holding Riverrun, but she sneaks off on her own to meet LF. But last EP she and Jon wanted to go everywhere together.

      Then she trusts the info LF gave her, after she kinda humiliated him and seems to not think things through. IF the Blackfish holds Riverrun, how could he have an Army that is able or willing to help the Starks in the North? Since he’s holding RR that will be most likely under siege. Because I dont think the Freys went home, when he won RR back.

      When Davos kinda shuts her off, she looked kinda pissed, because how dare he tells her something about northern houses. Impulsively she starts then talking about the Blackfish and Riverrun and lies about how she knows about it. Maybe because someone could say: Uhm, the source isnt trustworthy enough.

      What I kinda got from these scenes was: She desperately wants to play the game of thrones, but just isnt made for it. Like every other Stark before her. Ned, Robb, and also Jon.

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    222. TheHeartTree,

      Bran was “warged” into a green vision when Meera started shouting at him to wake up. He didn’t wake up. Meets starts screaming to him (which we can see that he hears in his Winterfell vision) to warg into Hodor to save her, 3Er & Leaf in the Weir cave from the WW and the wights who’ve breached it. He was looking at YOUNG Hodor in the vision, maybe he got confused as to transferring his consciousness in the plane of existence where his mind was (in past Winterfell) vs where his physical body was (the Weir cave), jumped into young Hodor but IMMEDIATELY jumped out, nevertheless causing the connection and short circuiting poor Wylis’/Hodor’s noggin. Even Wylis’ posturing and movements of his extremities indicate significant brain injury and trauma (med student here).

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    223. Jinx47,

      There’s no complete treatment, there’s some things to do to slow the spread but not known 100% treatment, some people get lucky like Princess Shireen and get it stopped.
      But The books are from a POV approach so there might be one in Ashaai by the shadow or somewhere that out of the knowledge of our POVs

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    224. I’m cool with what happened in this episode (though I don’t care for being able to affect the past. That has always been a cheap mechanism for me unless it’s established early in a story). How things happened however left me wanting. The King’s Moot in particular was just silly and rushed. The ending had great visuals though, as usual. But “Hardhome” remains the only time that this show has done much for me when it goes full fantastical action. And yes, the more fantastical aspects of the series feels like a completely different show than what is still the more grounded/political stuff. It’s been a bumpy transition. This is an inspired mess of a show at this point, but it’s perpetually watchable and always great to talk about.

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    225. TheKingWhoCares:
      mau,

      – Doran apparantly had no “Fire & Blood masterplan” or no plan at all in the show and really was the weak man/leader that others saw in him, which makes his character somehow pointless. He did not even had good dialogue scenes, which is very disappointing, especially for the book readers.

      Well, he is pointless if you compare him with his book version, but in the show he was a wise ruler, who has done everything in his power to prevent the war. He didn’t have so many scenes, so I don’t think that from the show’s perspective he needs some bigger purpose.

      Is Euron pointless in the show even without his connection with magic?

      – Trystane was placed on a ship with Myrcella’s body last season, heading straight towards an already paranoid Cercei… that seemed like a great build-up for some Mad Queen revenge plot against Dorne and ended up as the most stupid death scene the show has ever done.

      He could have been killed by Cersei, there is nothing great in that. Trystane is not an interesting character and wasting time on him, when you have so much better charactera in KL would be pointless IMO. His death was rushed, but I don’t think that the show lost anything by it and I don’t think that it was done just to shock people.

      – Show-Areo was a background character, yes, but his only purpose was to protect Doran. And he went down by being stabbed in the back and not even trying to fight back. If he had died after a short fight scene with the Martell guards while trying to defend Doran from Ellaria, it would have been a fitting end for him. Goddamn, he never even used his axe in the series

      Why we need a fitting end for an extra?

      – There was indeed a build-up for Ramsay killing Roose, but I would have preferred if they had kept him around for another 2-3 episodes. It would have been interesting to see his reaction to Smalljon handing over Rickon and him trying to rally the other houses against Jon and the wildlings while keeping Ramsey under control. We never really got to see Roose’s strategic skills or his distrust against Ramsey. The show made him way more naive than he is in the books.

      Ramsay was under his control for more that 2 seasons. More than 3 if you count S3. So it was time to see how it looks when Ramsay is not under somebody’s control. If they kept Roose until E5, Ramsay would have had only one or two episodes to rule the North, and every alliance would be formed by Roose, not him.

      We saw how Roose ruled in the North, now it is time to see Ramsay.

      And I really can’t imagine scenario in which Roose would be killed by Ramsay and then some fans would not claim that it was too naive. I’m really interested in how GRRM will write his death.

      – Introducing a whole bunch of new Dothraki characters only to barbeque them all after 2-3 scenes was a bit strange.

      But that was something that the show has been doing with Dany’s antagonists since S2

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    226. Ingelheim,

      I think she makes them to make sure he won’t think against her. I’m just not liking her somehow ( probably my instinct) I really hope, I really really do that she doesn’t end up betraying Jon. 🙁

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    227. I will go Jojen mode now and predict the future :

      There will be alot of threads on westeros.org trying to explain what happened with Bran and Hodor.

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    228. I don’t understand why everyone’s jumping on the Sansa will manipulate and eventually double cross Jon once she gets what she wants band wagon?? She wants her home and her family back – the family of which Jon is very much a part of, if she wanted power or to rule she could have very easily taken LF up on his offer of the Vale army and told Jon to go jump. She could have not told anyone about the Tully army at all and sent Brienne on a mission to gain their support secretly – yes she lied about where she obtained the info but I don’t think she did it for nefarious reasons. The way I understood the admittedly awkward Ramsay vs Jon speech she gave was that Ramsay holds the north when he’s essentially a Snow so it’s not a great leap to believe the north will follow Jon – especially since she carries the Stark name and she declares him as the rightful ruler.

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    229. So we’re halfway through the season and we’ve had one scene with Rhaegal/Viserion and no Drogon. What’s the point of doubling their size if you can’t afford to put them on screen?

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    230. Does anyone think that Benjen will save Bran and Meera and then Meera will lead Bran to where her father resides ? (the Neck)

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    231. Icekhione,

      I don’t think that’s right. I think Sansa is being very protective of herself. She trusts Jon, but not 100%. She cannot possibly come out of what she went through 100% sane. She is worried about being no.2, the woman. This has never worked out for her. So, now, she is looking out for herself first and revenge second. She is not out to get Jon though. But she is being careful.

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    232. Wonderful farewell for our dear Hodor. Oof. Will really Kristian. And Max.

      I don’t quite know what’s up with the offing of the direwolves this season, but it’s making it seem like an afterthought which annoys me. CGI is expensive. Well, shell out then. Summer deserved a better fight.

      Also deflated about the creation of the White Walkers, I thought t would be a bit more fantastical than that. Not sorry to see the CotF go, but some very good scenes in the cave.

      Meera spearing that Walker! Fantastic. Jorah and Dany – beautiful, my dear Iain Glen again proving why they keep him around. 😉 He will be back. I’m pretty much expecting a Victarion cure at this point.

      Brienne calling our Sansa’s lie – good on ya girl! I get Sansa’s anger. But the realization and begging for the army that will happen later on is inevitable, there goes that little moment of gratification for her.

      The back story of the FM – nice. I will miss Jaqen so damn much when Arya inevitably leaves. Ok, I’ll miss Tom Wlaschiha more. 🙂

      Pretty decent episode. I haven’t cried for a long time – I did with this one.

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    233. Euron was completely unconvincing. Not the script. I’m sorry but the actor was totally lacking and that made a believable scene rather lame. He has no edge, no dark side and was miscast imo.

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    234. Lady_Vicious1984:
      Labs,

      As horribly bad as I felt for Hodor, I also felt terrible for Bran when he realized that he “made” Hodor the way he is. I wonder how that guilt will play out as Bran comes to grips with what has happened…”The past is already written, the ink is dry”…made sense before, but this ending demonstrated it to the fullest.

      I know, same here! I feel absolutely terrible for Bran because he finally knows that he made Hodor the way he is and he knew that if he didn’t, they would essentially die. It’s so sad 🙁
      I can’t wait to see how it will affect Bran going forward and if he will have more visions of the past.

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    235. Izatty:
      Icekhione,

      I don’t think that’s right. I think Sansa is being very protective of herself. She trusts Jon, but not 100%. She cannot possibly come out of what she went through 100% sane. She is worried about being no.2, the woman. This has never worked out for her. So, now, she is looking out for herself first and revenge second. She is not out to get Jon though. But she is being careful.

      That’s exactly how I saw it too.

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    236. Halfman,

      I thought he was great.

      But, to be honest I did want a more ”normal” Euron instead of the crazy guy with eye-patches and blue lips…

      But if you wanted the guy from the books, I get it why you are dissapointed.

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    237. I also have a question … When Bran decided to enter the Weirwood link and stumbled upon the NK, Bloodraven was sleeping ? Or was he in the vision too ? It felt like BR was already in that vision trying to see what WW are doing or something like that, when Bran touched that branch it took him where BR already was … i saw it like this, i really thought at some point that BR was warging the NK, because he touched Bran the same way BR touched him in the first vision when he said “enough, time to go back”. Well that was shattered when the NK slayed BR, when i saw all of them around 3ER i thought “Shit, they might be connected with him!” :))))

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    238. Labs,

      I was like, summerrrr runn!!! And Hodor my God!!! I usually re watch, but couldn’t do! I can’t see Hodor getting ripped off. He is a hero, about whom no songs will be written 🙁

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    239. Geone,

      I think Bran, got a bit bored and wanted to see more of the WW, but instead he got were the NK was.

      Or the NK made him appear there…

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    240. I hated hearing Summer dying. So sad 🙁 Ghost and Nymeria better live until the end!!!!

      Meera should have yelled at Summer more than she did, maybe Summer would have followed them, I wanted Summer to live so bad 🙁

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    241. Halfman:
      Euron was completely unconvincing. Not the script. I’m sorry but the actor was totally lacking and that made a believable scene rather lame. He has no edge, no dark side and was miscast imo.

      WHUUUUTT? how DARE you? lol. I have to completely disagree. All I thought the whole time is the scene is cheesy as fuck, thank god for Pilou for saving it. He is incredibly gifted and fun to watch. IDK, Borgen fan though.

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    242. I also like the parallel between Arya’s story and Bran’s, they are both in training to learn new abilities, but both will be forced to end their training early and continue on their own.

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    243. Halfman,

      Well, u just hope you are right!!! I would love it. I just don’t want Jon to be betrayed once more. 🙁 may be I’m protective of him 🙂

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    244. Pigeon,

      I think the WW being created by CotF is perfectly analogous to all of the trinkets and machines of war that we humans build in an effort to keep ourselves safe. It only works when the machines of war stay in our control; but they never do as, history has taught us.

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    245. Mihnea:
      Halfman,

      I thought he was great.

      But, to be honest I did want a more ”normal” Euron instead of the crazy guy with eye-patches and blue lips…

      But if you wanted the guy from the books, I get it why you are dissapointed.

      He just comes off like another basic, power hungry arse-hat, which this show hardly needs more of. There doesn’t seem to be anything unique about him at all. I blame the writing more than anything. We’ve seen him for two scenes and in both he’s just randomly come in and given speeches.

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    246. I just rewatched the episode. Does anyone else think Jon has a funny look on his face as he watches Sansa talk about Northern loyalties and that she will rally them as the Stark. It’s as if he starts wondering at that moment, what is she thinking. I only felt this on re watch. Am I reading too much?

      And no, despite some hints about possible rivalry in this episode, Sansa will never betray Jon. That’s not happening, imo.

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    247. John Johnston,

      That’s what I like at him.

      As I said, if you wanted book Euron, I understand why you are disapointed, I don’t share them but I do understand.

      To me he is quiet a nice character, from the 2 scenes we got.

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    248. Absolutely amazing episode. The ending was terrifying and gut-wrenching. RIP Summer, Hodor. Finding out how the White Walkers were created…wow. It really does feel like we are heading full steam towards the end, which is exciting and sad. As far as Sansa goes, to me, it’s obvious that she wants absolutely nothing to do with Littlefinger, and if she mentions that the Vale has offered their men, they will have no choice but to accept their offer because they need the men. It was so nice to see Jon finally riding out of Castle Black.

      This season is my favorite so far, hands down.

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    249. I’m going to wait until it airs tonight to watch it. Three questions if you will…

      How was it overall, was Bran’s vision epic, and how was Euron?

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    250. Wow! The best episode so far. And the fact there was no boring King’s Landing or Ramsay scenes made it ever so better.

      It was nice to give Dany an emotional scene like that for once. The “I command yourself to cure yourself” -line was a bit cheesy but I like how it was left out in the open whether he can find a cure or not. I hope this is the last we see of Jorah so his destiny is left in the open. Or that he returns as a stoneman because his love for her kept him following her still.

      The Bran scenes were amazing. We were treated with 2 mysteries being exposed – the birth of the white walkers and Hodor’s past. I really enjoyed Hodor’s backstory. It was really bittersweet and it also established that the outcomes of Bran’s past meddling can be seen in the present. That kills the fan theories where Bran saves Ned etc.

      Mereen was another awesome scene. Not only was it cool to reveal Varys’ past to show viewers, it was also a pleasure to see Varys uncertain of himself. The North scenes were solid plot building but I feel like this part of the story is losing a bit steam since we know exactly where this is heading to. The Ironborn scenes were well made, though my least favourite part. Theon being all confident so soon was a bit forced imo. The best part was to see Yara sail to meet the dragon queen.

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    251. Jern Sner:
      Pigeon,

      I think the WW being created by CotF is perfectly analogous to all of the trinkets and machines of war that we humans build in an effort to keep ourselves safe. It only works when the machines of war stay in our control; but they never do as, history has taught us.

      I agree with that. And I think that the …. not ‘normalcy’, but straightforwardness of it was maybe why I felt a little bummed? Anticipating too much, I think. Not everything is fireworks. 🙂

      Theon is looking better. I love Pilou, and the drowning scene was excellent, as was the ‘Dude, where’re my ships?’ moment of realization. Lol. And the whole ‘Well, YEAH I killed Balon, silly!’

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