Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 5 – The Door – Open Chat

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*We’re aware the episode leaked. For people who watched it early and want to discuss it, please keep your comments to our Spoiler Chat instead. Thanks!*

Game of Thrones Season 6, Episode 5 “The Door”

Writers: David Benioff and D.B. Weiss
Director: Jack Bender
Runtime: 57 minutes
Content Warnings: TV-MA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Nudity, Violence
Video Preview: Full episode 5 preview on YouTube

Synopsis: Tyrion seeks a strange ally. Bran learns a great deal. Brienne goes on a mission. Arya is given a chance to prove herself.

*Note: please use spoiler coding when discussing ASOIAF or filming spoilers.*

As many of you are aware, this episode did leak early. We’ve opened a separate SPOILER CHAT for people who have already watched the episode and want to discuss it freely.

Spoiler coding is still required in this Open Chat post prior to the episode’s official airing (9PM EDT tonight for Season 6 Episode 5). We ask that fans use consideration for your fellow viewers, and cover and label your spoilers appropriately. Spoilers from the actual aired episode, if you have watched the leaked episode early, are not permitted in this post until after the episode officially airs at 9PM EDT. Thank you!

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    1. Clob,

      Don’t get too disappointed… I know some of us are here! Although I will not be staying long out of fear someone will say too much!

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    2. Sou,
      LOL

      The open chat, was really good, after watching you could read it, it was really, really polite and kind, it suprised me.

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    3. I’m trying to keep away from the spoilers. But I have heard the episode is amazing, and I’m very excited to see it tonight!

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    4. Mihnea:
      Sou,
      LOL

      The open chat, was really good, after watching you could read it, it was really, really polite and kind, it suprised me.

      I’m definitely going to read through it after the episode. I was actually one of those that “ran into” the news last night about the accidental upload of ep 5. I read enough in the notice to be slightly spoiled (meaning: the major plot points). I’ve chosen for that to be the extent though as opposed to discussing it with those that have watched it.

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    5. Looper,

      ha, you are lucky. It will be tomorrow evening for me. But still, I am beginning to stress that this go so fast and soon it will be all over!!!

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    6. Finally, a safe place to hangout 😀

      So far, I avoided spoilers except for one point, and the feedback that the episode is great!

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    7. Sou:
      Clob,

      Don’t get too disappointed… I know some of us are here! Although I will not be staying long out of fear someone will say too much!

      I feel the same. For some reason there is always this one bloke who does not follow moderator instructions.

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    8. The promised prince: I also want to know what the deal with the new red priestess is.

      This has me curious as well. In the preview she acts like she really knows what’s going on and what’s going to happen. Why is it that Melisandre seems to know nothing and has basically been guessing?

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    9. Clob: This has me curious as well.In the preview she acts like she really knows what’s going on and what’s going to happen.Why is it that Melisandre seems to know nothing and has basically been guessing?

      Maybe she seen in her fires what happened in Vaes Dothrak

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    10. I’m here, but not going to stay to chat, as I don’t trust the Internet to read and follow directions posted in bright red on the main page.

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    11. Well i’m here too guys, besides watching the show with a quality any less than 1080p is MAJOR crime and it is known hahaha.

      Can’t for All the Sansa goodness, i know that she’s featured heavily in this episode which makes me think of her going to be absent from next week and i’ll be really disappointed if that’s the case.

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    12. Sou:
      Looper,

      ha, you are lucky. It will be tomorrow evening for me. But still, I am beginning to stress that this go so fast and soon it will be all over!!!

      So true, tonight we will be halfway through the season. SIGH!!

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    13. It is so strange that the episode leaked from HBONordic which is my source of GOT. Yesterday late at night I checked the site without reason to see if the episode was there. But it wasn’t of course. Today it leaked! And now I have to wait a few more hours. The hardest thing of all this is that GOT changes my daily rhythms… but I do not want to download it for fear of viruses etc…Silly I know!

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    14. Bring on The Winds of Winter! The entire Shireen having been burnt and Davos still not in the Know of it all, then Brienne, is really boggling. I’m scared of the resolutions possible outcomes in this.

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    15. So looking forward to this episode. At present, the one big fault I have with this current season is why the Hell hasn’t Davos strangled Melisandre but considering last weeks revelation, he doesn’t know about Shireens fate yet. Hope this episode features that shot of him staring at the remains of a pyre and you can’t tell me that he won’t find Shireen’s Wooden stag in those ashes. (and Yes! .. I’m not even going to complain “How the Hell that thing didn’t get consumed by the fire” :oP) I will not even complain if he threw Mel into a fire in promise of giving a wooden Doe to accompany it :oD

      Also, how do you guys feel about Arya’s future assassination order is to kill Daenerys? I have this feeling that the last thing the Bravossi Bank want is a Targaryen to be back on the Iron Throne and that they may hire the Faceless Men to take her out?? (In truth.. I’m just hoping that Arya joins up with Daenerys camp now that Tyrion’s there :o)

      I also will lay bets that a future Bran vision to Winterfell, will feature Lysanna’s body been brought home and that Wyllis eventual muteness, be linked to his love and despair at the lost of her (and with Bran’s words been heard by past persons, what if Bran influences Wyllis shock. Could “Hodor” simply be “Hold Her” (as in hold her one last time?)

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    16. HereBeDragons,

      I don’t think so that he will strangle her even if he learns about Shireen. She is the only person who can help Jon if something goes bad and Jon is much more important than Shireen at this stage. So he wouldn’t do it. He knows when the personal stops and the common good begins. This is so clear so far… Of course there can always be a change of minds, a provocation, an accidental word that can infuriate him and kill her. But how easy will this be?

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    17. Grayven Reyne,

      newbietothegame,

      Well guys (and gals), I am out. This is getting too stressful, in spite of lovely Sue’s efforts and all. The only thing that bothers me is that by the time I will get to watch it (tomorrow night) the best discussions will have been already held!

      Mihnea,

      you have to promise that you and the other early birds will still discuss the episode with us, even belatedly!!

      So, a very nice evening to you all, happy watching to our friends in the US and catch up with you again on Tuesday!

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    18. I was inadvertently spoiled on Twitter, but I’ve been spoiled before and thankfully learning what happened ahead of time does not diminish emotional impact for me so I’m just choosing not to be upset about it. As to those doing the spoiling just to watch the world burn well, that really sucks and they probably should’ve been hugged more as children.

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    19. HereBeDragons,

      For some reason, “Hold the Door” is popular here for Hodor. In other places, it has been concluded that “Hodor” is Lyanna’s horse. $5 says that none of these are correct if only because

      Book!Hodor is much too young to have been present then, and therefore GRRM devised “Hodor” without anything to do with Lyanna in mind.

      Clob: In the preview she acts like she really knows what’s going on and what’s going to happen. Why is it that Melisandre seems to know nothing and has basically been guessing?

      Melisandre basically gets trailers for upcoming events. And as we’ve seen from these boards and all fanboards discussing trailers for films, shows, etc., with fanbases, people often draw wildly incorrect conclusions from just getting snippets of details.

      So, I would present this differently. If Mel was watching Game of Thrones trailers, she would be kicking most of our asses in terms of predicting the future. Would she be getting all of the specifics correct? No: but I think that she is doing a much better job of gleaning the general plot.

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    20. Sou,

      Well tomorrow morning.. so in about 10 houres.. I will give some of my thoughts.
      I will rewatch it… potato quality. really annoyed me..

      Still though, I recommand the early open chat, it was so polite and kind, 2-3 exceptions, but I didn’t see such a polite/kind thread in a long while..

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    21. Sou:
      Grayven Reyne,

      newbietothegame,

      Well guys (and gals), I am out. This is getting too stressful, in spite of lovely Sue’s efforts and all. The only thing that bothers me is that by the time I will get to watch it (tomorrow night) the best discussions will have been already held!

      Mihnea,

      you have to promise that you and the other early birds will still discuss the episode with us, even belatedly!!

      So, a very nice evening to you all, happy watching to our friends in the US and catch up with you again on Tuesday!

      I am also off of here until the episode starts to air. Bloke # 1 already posted stuff and I read it before someone deleted the post.
      Honestly people, READ the mods rules, in RED, before you post.

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    22. 4 hours and 15 minutes…there isn’t a spoiler in all of Westeros that would dampen my enthusiasm, but I still try to stay away from them. CAN’T WAIT! !

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    23. I don’t want to be spoiled either!! But out of curiosity just clicked on the Spoiler Chat to see how many comments there are and there are well over 600!!!!! Mind blown!!

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    24. Gutted I got inadvertently spoiled when reading comments on the preview for ep 5 (on YouTube so go there!) I hadn’t even known that it had leaked at the time and wasn’t sure what the comments were on about but now, unfortunately, I’ve worked it out. Still hyped though… Just gonna have to stay away from the internet until tomorrow evening now ?

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    25. Happy to be able to read here without spoiler. I am trying to avoid spoilers all day. It seems that in my other forum (in my native language) everyone has already watched the leaked episode. They are very kind and try to write everything in spoiler tags. Nevertheless I have been spoilt by one thing as someone forgot to put it into spoiler tags and I have now left the forum for today. Feeling not safe there.

      I am so looking forward to the next episode, I just love season 6 so far, it will probably replace season 4 as favourite season.

      I am even interested in Daenerys’storyline and that says a lot.

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    26. Hoyti Von Totiy: In about 1.5 months time will stop and the agony will begin.

      So, it is like oscillating between dysentery and constipation? Wow, what a disgusting analogy: thanks for that….. 😉

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    27. Sue the Fury,

      Your vigilance here is greatly appreciated. I vowed not to spoil myself after the first episode, and this one is really hard to avoid! So, THANK YOU, Sue!

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    28. AlexG,

      HBO Nordic somehow aired/allowed on demand airing of the episode almost a full day before original airtime in the US. Don’t they have computers that can automatically publish content at specified times? At least it was much closer to air, as opposed to the huge 4 ep leak they had before.

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    29. Can’t wait to see it. Hope any spoilers on this post get deleted before I see em. I like the non-spoiler discussion.

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    30. Ive got a book group to go to so I’ll be gone till the episode starts. That will keep me from knowing anything….(unless someone in the group has been spoiled, then……)

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    31. What’s the deal with these episode leaks? I have to wonder if it was a leak or planned by HBO to generate some hype (not that it’s necessary). Anyways, just find it odd.

      Looking forward to more Stark scenes, including Bran and whatever is going to happen with the night’s king.

      And not that I’m complaining, but wonder when we will see Dorne again….have to think it will be for something important, especially after the snakes cleaned house.

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    32. Kingbreaker,

      If you’re referencing the episode, please stop. We have a spoiler chat post, linked TWICE in the post up above, for that kind of discussion.

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    33. Standing in solidarity of all unsullied today.

      Just as us book readers kept quiet for in moments of turmoil for five years, we ask our brethren Free Folk to allow 8 hours of peace before our watch begins.

      I promise, Castle Black will stand after our watch has ended tonight.

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    34. I am so, so interested in Sansa storyline, she is my favourite character but I love the whole North/Wall/Beyond the Wall plots so far. I am really looking forward to Sansas meeting with Littlefinger, hope she does not trust him any longer.

      Worst thing is that I have to wait until tomorrow evening. The first offical airing would be 2 o’clock in the morning in Germany. I can not watch it tonight as tomorrow is my first day back in work and I have to be awake because there will be piles and piles on my desk.

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    35. Khal Daniel,

      They would have to be a ***Severe Wanker*** to post spoilers in this chat when they have that other Open Chat for viewers who have seen the leaked episode.

      I will rely on Sue’s vigilance because today is the 1st time I have been able to join a pre-episode chat this season as I have the flu.

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    36. newbietothegame:
      Glad there are a few of use here.

      I am too I have been away (out of state) and I know nothing of this leaked episode and I don’t want to know until I see it tonight. Thank you WoTW for starting this spoiler free thread.

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    37. Stay away from YouTube folks. People are already uploading reactions to the episode, and I just saw a pretty big spoiler in the title of one of those reaction videos. I wasn’t searching for it or anything, the video was just recommended to me on my YouTube home page.

      These leaks really suck.

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    38. JessicafromMunich,

      Aww Jessica… I don’t know how you can sleep knowing that your GOT is playing! :o)

      Lucky, here in NZ it plays direct from the US at 1pm on Mondays and I know people who take the day off to watch it. I usually just take my laptop to work and re-organise my lunch hour :o)

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    39. Sunfyre,

      I have a feeling we may re-encounter the Dutch actress who played one of the Wilding leaders at Hardhome.
      She become an instant fan-favourite (well… I loved her :o) and Tormund seems to have an affiliation to her. ?

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    40. JessicafromMunich,

      I feel your pain, Jessica. Here in Norway it’s released about 3 AM, so I just watch it in the morning before my activities of the day. Yeah, I subscribe to HBO Nordic, but they’ve removed the episode of course! 🙂

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    41. HereBeDragons,

      Karsi. She’s the first one that came to mind for me too. Who else has died up North that hasn’t been burned? I couldn’t think of anyone else…

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    42. Completely unrelated, but is anyone gonna be watching the premiere of Preacher on AMC right after GOT? I am and I know it’s gonna be sick!

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    43. HereBeDragons:
      JessicafromMunich,

      Aww Jessica… I don’t know how you can sleep knowing that your GOT is playing! :o)

      Lucky, here in NZ it plays direct from the US at 1pm on Mondays and I know people who take the day off to watch it. I usually just take my laptop to work and re-organise my lunch hour :o)

      Usually, it is not that bad. When I go to bed the new episode has not been aired in the USA. Than, on the next day, I am busy at work and when I return home I watch it with my husband in HD (Sky On Demand). But today is horrible because everyone, even in Germany, seems to have already watched it and I am fearful to open any GOT-related sites, boards, Youtube and so on, because I do not want to read any more spoilers.

      I am a book reader and before that season I did not care much about spoilers as I already had a general idea what might happen. Nevertheless I never watched leaked episodes but knowing some spoilers was ok.

      But this season is completely different, I love to be Unsullied, it is a completely new experience for me and it is great.

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    44. I have to wait till 9pm tomorrow as I live in the Uk and I already have got one spoiler. Anyone got a seven pointed star I could use to get me through this? Anyway I’m sure

      Eurons kings moot speech

      will be worth the wait.

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    45. HereBeDragons:
      Sunfyre,

      I have a feeling we may re-encounter the Dutch actress who played one of the Wilding leaders at Hardhome.
      She become an instant fan-favourite (well… I loved her :o) and Tormund seems to have an affiliation to her. ?

      I also thought immediately that we will see Karsi again. She was great and I would not mind to see here again, even as a zombie.

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    46. Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Uhgg! I don´t know what the hell is happening with HBO! This is the second time it happens aside of the unaccountable hacked leaks they have! Sheesh! You would think they´d learn something by now 🙁

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    47. Sunfyre,

      Probably a good chance at some point huh. The only one we know of right now is Karsi from Hardhome. I suppose it’s possible Jon or Tormund could have to face her in the future. For bigger character… yeah, Edd would be a bummer… or Bronn maybe.

      Taking it a step further to be a little goofy… south of the wall there are tons of crypts filled with remains that may be mostly in one piece. “Tywin the Wight” – Arthur ‘Wight of the Morning’ Dayne 😛

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    48. Melissa Blackwood,

      Well… of course.. there is Benjen??? :oP

      and a really cool throwback would be to see Waymer Royce have a brief cameo at some point. We know the other 2 were beheaded but waymer should be intact :oD

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    49. Open chat before the episodes every week is one of my favourite things, but I’m a little scared to be in here now…

      The hype is definitely real for this episode. Sounds like everyone has loved it!

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    50. HereBeDragons,

      Nooooo!!!!! No zombie Benjen!!! Until I see otherwise, I am convinced that he’s holed up in a tree somewhere like Bran, just hanging out 🙂

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    51. AlexG:
      Lyanna_Targaryen,

      Uhgg! I don´t know what the hell is happening with HBO! This is the second time it happens aside of the unaccountable hacked leaks they have! Sheesh! You would think they´d learn something by now

      I tend to think that the responsible person at HBO/HBO Nordic did it on purpose.

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    52. JessicafromMunich: I am a book reader and before that season I did not care much about spoilers as I already had a general idea what might happen. Nevertheless I never watched leaked episodes but knowing some spoilers was ok.

      I was the same when it came to spoiler coded comments in these episode open chats discussing book events that may happen in the episode. However, I’ve always hated leaked episode spoilers being posted because what happens hasn’t always been from the books – and of course none of it is currently.

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    53. Just thinking of the shot of Bran and the Night’s King. We’ve determined that was in front of the cave, right? How would the three-eyed crow escape if his protective magic isn’t strong enough to prevent them getting to him? He’s suppose to be attached to the roots. If he’s eliminated how is Bran suppose to learn “everything?”

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    54. Clob:
      Just thinking of the shot of Bran and the Night’s King.We’ve determined that was in front of the cave, right?How would the three-eyed crow escape if his protective magic isn’t strong enough to prevent them getting to him?He’s suppose to be attached to the roots.If he’s eliminated how is Bran suppose to learn “everything?”

      Maybe he won’t learn everything. Bran may have to navigate the Weirnet by himself. Bloodraven is trying to make him learn restraint and without that. It could get crazy with Bran exploring too deep into the past.

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    55. Happy to see walkers tonight(if the episode preview can be believed) and maybe even the Cof too. Anybody else?

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    56. I hate these leaks. Reddit, youtube, tumblr, twitter full of it. Still going strong and waiting for episode to air, I spoiled myself about episode 1 with that picture of Mel. Only 3 hours left.

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    57. Clob,

      Buggar Him! lol …if he’s not Bloodraven, he can get Iced! :oP

      Maybe he can pull an Obi Wun Kenobi and force/warg himself into Tree Consciousness?

      and maybe Bran’s not meant to learn ‘everything’ … but that would give him the chance to go see what he wants to… (ToJ) :o)

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    58. Angela: I am sure AMC will have a re-run.

      My listing has Preacher (1st airing), Talking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, then Preacher again.

      I may have to check out Preacher instead of what I usually do. That is watch GoT on HBO at my 8 pm and then watch it again on HBO Go at 9 so I can continually rewind good parts and then watch it on HBO again at 10:30. 😛

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    59. Clob,

      Sunday fun day. Some nice Thrones action followed by season premiere of Preacher. All I need is a mug of Three eyed raven and I’m set

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    60. Clob: My listing has Preacher (1st airing), Talking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, then Preacher again.

      Yup. My schedule is exactly the same.

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    61. I hope the next episode isnt leaked like this episode. I love these open chats and talking about the upcoming episode with just speculation and predictions.

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    62. Gosh… it’s a bit lonely in here.

      Anyone get the feeling we’re at the old airport waiting for our plane to arrive and yet all our other mates are in the new airport either enjoying all the free air-complimentary drinks and nibbles, and raving how flash their airplane is??? :oD

      I have NO Temptation to visit that other site but I feel like I can hear the Party from our hanger! LOL

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    63. I’m getting more curious and excited for tonight’s episode. The dang spoilery open chat is pushing toward 750 comments already plus about 100 in this chat… Last week’s single thread only got to 884 all the way through!

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    64. HereBeDragons,

      It’d be really funny if Davos tries to strangle Mel and her pendant falls off and gives him the fright of his life. Would he have problems killing Nana Mel?

      The faceless men thing really confuses the whole faceless god thing. If the the original religion came from the prayers of the dispossessed and enslaved and then morphs into a voluntary euthanasia society what’s with the political assassinations. It doesn’t quite add up.

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    65. Miss Stark:
      Clob,

      Something crazy must happen. And I feel like the only person in the world who doesn’t know what it is yet!

      Someone said there are reaction videos on Youtube. A big event or shock must happen in the episode.
      We need to stay strong. Only a little over 2 1/2 hours to go. 🙂

      Catch up on other shows in the mean time. Do a rewatch of Book of the Stranger. Next thing you know it will be 9pm!

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    66. HereBeDragons,

      My thoughts exactly. Feel like the old guy on the first floor of an apartment, banging a broomstick against the ceiling while all the cool kids party upstairs

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    67. Clob:
      I suppose there’s nobody left to discuss in this one. ?#bitter

      Im waiting until tonight to watch.. don’t be forlorn.

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    68. JessicafromMunich,

      She’s Danish and was on Borgen and was in a relationship with the actor playing Euron.

      It screens at 11 am in Sydney. Really throws my day out. As you can see I’m here when I should be concentrating on my own work.

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    69. Wimsey:
      Spoiler warning!I left the meat out of the refrigerator all night and just discovered it now!!!!

      Lol..well if you live in a hot climate like I do… it may be ok bc the AC has been cranking for three weeks or longer.. so it’s only 70 in here… 😉 As long as its not fish …then it goes straight in the trash can…

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    70. I will go into bed now and return to this thread in probably 19 hours after I will have finally watched the episode:

      To you all:
      I hope you stay strong and will not see any spoilers :-). Hope you have a lot of fun watching the episode.

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    71. * peeks in *

      Is it safe?

      Thanks, Sue for all your hard work moderating these comment sections.

      Anyway,
      I’m definitely looking forward to the white walker action. I had originally hoped when the episode synopsis was released that we’d get ToJ again. It’s my birthday today and what better present than finally confirming

      R+L=J?

      But I love everything white walker centric, so I’m still pretty happy!

      Meereen’s been my least favorite storyline so far this season, so hopefully this new red priestess will shake things up a bit.

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    72. HereBeDragons:
      Gosh… it’s a bit lonely in here.

      #tumbleweeds

      Perhaps we should just get some interesting discussion going. Icey, you said you had a bunch of questions?

      My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      What will Bran see tonight?

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

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    73. Thank GOD I had to travel today and didn’t have time to go online and see anything..so I forewarned another poster on here and I haven’t seen her on here… so it looks like she is staying away. I am having a hard time waiting knowing that others already know the story.. BUT… I have too much to do before 9:00 AND I have a schedule I adhere to on Sundays.. so alas Im stuck here like you blokes.. BUT on the good note.. thank GOD you all decided to NOT watch the show before hand. I was thinking there would be even less on here then there are.. NICE TO SEE YOU GUYS!!!

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    74. Heh, I have to deal with the spoiler problem every week, as I live in Asia and episodes are released Monday morning while I am at work. Large parts of the internet are no-go during my lunch break.

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    75. Ginevra: #tumbleweeds

      Perhaps we should just get some interesting discussion going.Icey, you said you had a bunch of questions?

      My question for you all, what is the door?I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible.I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      What will Bran see tonight?

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      Lol … there you are.. I was wondering. I just walked in the door and this was the first flipping thing Im doing.. lol..

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    76. Ginevra: #tumbleweeds

      Perhaps we should just get some interesting discussion going.Icey, you said you had a bunch of questions?

      My question for you all, what is the door?I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible.I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      IM NOT a fan of the HODOR/DOOR theory either.. I honestly do not know what it’s going to be for specifically BUT Im hoping its going to be the DOOR at CB.. that would be for me the greatest door to hear about..

      What will Bran see tonight?

      Again… Im not sure about Bran’s vision, just hoping we get more insight into the NK story line. Why are they here now and WHY are they doing what they are doing?

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?

      I would say the CotF are inherently good. As we can see they are working with the BR and trying to help with Bran’s knowledge. In the books they were at first aligned with helping the first men (If I remember correctly) so Im going with they are good cops. I HOPE.

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      Not sure.

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    77. Happy birthday, WeirwoodTreeHugger! I baked you a cake: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/8a/80/4c8a809ed75ade019cc561b998714634.jpg. I’m quick, aren’t I?

      Alas, I do not think you’ll get the gift you were hoping for, but this should be a doozie of a show based on what was said earlier this week!

      Another question, if others are in the mood for theoretical discussions, which I always am. Do you think that the other Starks will start warging this season? We’ve had a nod or two in that direction, but we passed by that awesome Blind Beth opportunity – so sad. I’d love to think they’re saving other-Stark-warging for Rickon when he wargs into Ramsay’s hounds and gives them a taste of Bastard.

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    78. weirwoodtreehugger,

      ME too. I think we will get some rich WW and CoF history tonight. Really want to finally see what’s on the dang tower but I have a feeling that will be the next episode. Who knows though… (hopefully no one here)

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    79. weirwoodtreehugger:
      * peeks in *

      Is it safe?

      Thanks, Sue for all your hard work moderating these comment sections.

      I am so glad I wasn’t on here earlier. .I guess another poster wasn’t being very nice and Sue had to chastise them..that just makes me so mad when ppl go out of their way to try and ruin it for us who are not able to watch the episode and want to enjoy talking about possibilities without being spoiled. I just do NOT get ppl.. I would choke them like someone else mentioned earlier about Davos choking Mel.. chuckle… well maybe not choke them.. but the thought sounded nice.

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    80. My question for you all, what is the door?I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible.I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      Maybe the “door” is metaphorical. Bran’s vision is him opening a door to the past. ?

      What will Bran see tonight?

      NK and his giant WW army

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?

      Something is up with them. GoT has been telling us the stories from past are a bunch of BS so maybe the story of how they defeated the WWs before is not completely true. There is something that was left out. Just like when Bran saw Howland Reed stab Dayne in the back during the TOJ fight. Things are more gray than you think type of situation.

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      I hope so. I need to see this fine young lady. She is such a bad ass at 10/11 years old. Could you imagine what she will be like as an adult? She will be the most bad ass lady out there. With her axes kicking ass. I hope she shoves an axe in Ramsay’s face. Team Stark and Mormont. Sansa’s squad is going to be best ever. 🙂

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    81. My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      I think the door is going to be the door into the past/future that Bran sees through/interacts with? I also have a feeling it’s going to have something to do with Hodor’s backstory.

      What will Bran see tonight?

      I’m not sure, but I hope it reveals the truth of so much. I want to know more about the white walkers and their motivations.

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?

      They’re probably inherently good, but I have to admit I’ve fond of the theory that they aren’t the good guys everyone thinks they are.

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      I think that will come in a later episode.

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    82. Ginevra:
      Happy birthday, WeirwoodTreeHugger!I baked you a cake:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4c/8a/80/4c8a809ed75ade019cc561b998714634.jpg.I’m quick, aren’t I?

      Alas, I do not think you’ll get the gift you were hoping for, but this should be a doozie of a show based on what was said earlier this week!

      Another question, if others are in the mood for theoretical discussions, which I always am.Do you think that the other Starks will start warging this season?We’ve had a nod or two in that direction, but we passed by that awesome Blind Beth opportunity – so sad.I’d love to think they’re saving other-Stark-warging for Rickon when he wargs into Ramsay’s hounds and gives them a taste of Bastard.

      Im actually kinda surprised we haven’t had any warging yet except by Bran. I really want to see it happen for them all and am curious as to why they are not showing that part of their abilities? Maybe too much CGI expenses? That would be pretty cool if Rickon does warg into Ramsey’s hounds but I think they are going to sacrifice poor Rickon like so many believe. I hope that is not the case but Im starting to think there will have to be at least one or two more Starks to fall before this is all said and done.

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    83. Ice Spider,

      I think that like with many of the titles, this one is talking about both a physical door as well as a theoretical door. The theoretical part usually involves many characters where the physical part which is one big part. I initially thought the door referenced the ToJ and the doorway between young ned and whatever is on the other side

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    84. Ok.. I have to get off and put my little one to bed.. I will be available in an hour Ginevra so FT me then.

      I can’t wait to join the PARTY on the other side.. ttyl alligators.

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    85. Ginevra,

      I can see Rickon warging this season, but I don’t think any of the other Starks will. If they were going to do it with Arya, I think they would have when she was blind.

      Two hours to go, and there’s almost 800 comments on that other thread where the cool kids are partying. Gotta stay strong just a little while longer.

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    86. Ginevra,

      I’m thinking it’s to do with the Three-Eyed-Raven’s cave. Have a feeling that vision of Bran’s facing the Night-King and his forces is right outside the cave and with Meera desperately trying to wake him, feel Sure they have arrived.

      High anticipation of what conversation Sansa and Littlefinger will have … I hope she holds him accountable but doubt she’ll burn him as she will need the Vale’s army.

      Don’t like the Hodor/Hold the Door theory …feel positive there is a link to Lysanna and Hodor that is much more poignant. (Stable-boy crush)

      and though never mentioned in the show but Daenerys always dreamed of going back to the home with the Red Door and Lemon Tree which for some reason, I’ve never shaken of as Dorne reference. (in fact… I’ve Never believed the “Ashara jumped to her death” but not going to open up a now irrelavant discussion, now that Aegon is cut)

      ((Just to add… wouldn’t it Blow us bookreader minds if Ned found TWO babies in the Tower of Joy)) ????? LOL

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    87. Simon,

      Davos and Nana Mel, that’s hysterical…now that visual is stuck in my head!

      Just glad you guys are here so I don’t become a raving lunatic in the final hours. Bet my hubby appreciates it too.

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    88. Khal Daniel:
      Angela,

      I like your thinking

      Ramsay needs to die. Ghost would also be an excellent option.

      If that was what you were talking about. I put it in spoilers because I don’t know if it needs them. Better safe than sorry.

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    89. HereBeDragons,

      Omg WW right outside the three eyed ravens cave?!? That could be intense. I have always thought Dany and the red door would be important but the show never really capitalized on that so idk if that will come in or not

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    90. eekkkk, I’m getting so excited! I am sad that there are so many spoilers everywhere but I’m so happy to be free of them here 🙂

      I’m really happy we will finally meeting the missing Greyjoys and hopefully see some crazy Bran visions!

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    91. Miss Stark:
      Ginevra,

      Two hours to go, and there’s almost 800 comments on that other thread where the cool kids are partying. Gotta stay strong just a little while longer.

      To me, that says this episode is epic and worth the wait.

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    92. Miss Stark: I can see Rickon warging this season, but I don’t think any of the other Starks will.

      Rickon is not one of the main characters, so I doubt that they will take the time to develop warging in him.

      If the show was going to have Jon or Arya start warging, then they would have used Jon’s recovery or Arya’s blindness to get those balls rolling. It looks like they are not.

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    93. Miss Stark,

      Or have everyone finally starting to warg in the same episode or couple of episodes? When I saw that falcon last week I almost squeed thinking that Sansa will warg it soon!!! (Although she needs to get there…and start warging…and them BAM!). But if they didn’t show it when Arya was blinded when will they show it? (Are they saving it for when she’s reunited with Nymeria?!?)

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    94. Wimsey,

      Either way it’ll be nice to see what everyone has to say! And read what all the leaked-episode Sullied had to say…

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    95. Ginevra: #tumbleweeds
      My question for you all, what is the door?
      What will Bran see tonight?

      The door… The doors that stand out are the door to the cave and the ToJ door. I was thinking of a metaphorical door that Bran goes through in his visions because in the trailer the NK appears to “break through” it. I don’t know, but it must be major to be the episode title.

      Months ago we got that article that said the VFX team was going to be able to do something they didn’t think they’d ever get to do (cost). At the time I suggested that it could be the ‘city’ of the White Walkers to include ice spiders and other really cool stuff. With that first shot we saw of Bran in front of the NK I thought maybe that’s where he was… but I guess we’ve figured out it’s in front of the cave so bummer on that. I suppose that’s what he sees then. Other than maybe getting stuck there I don’t know what else.

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    96. Khal Daniel:
      Ice Spider,

      I think that like with many of the titles, this one is talking about both a physical door as well as a theoretical door. The theoretical part usually involves many characters where the physical part which is one big part. I initially thought the door referenced the ToJ and the doorway between young ned and whatever is on the other side

      Yes.. thanks for that .. I was aware of those theories. The other theory about the door is a gateway (door opening) for the characters to go to another level.. so to me that seems exciting especially since Dany did her whole death by fire. Im hoping that means that means some of the Starks will be able to use some of their warging powers too..

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    97. My question for you all, what is the door? I’m not a fan of the Hodor theory, although I guess that’s possible. I thought it was the ToJ door, but it seems we won’t be seeing that this episode.

      Perhaps the “hinge” of the world at the wall. Or the door to death…

      What will Bran see tonight?

      I think so since he was in the preview!

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad? What about Bloodraven?

      I think they are similar to any of GRRM’s races. The humans (First Men, etc.) are a mixture of both. The 1 giant we’ve seen doesn’t give us a statistical analysis (har!). Half are mostly good and half are mostly bad and they did eventually help out the humans. Bloodraven has had a very sordid past along with everyone else in his generation and family. I can’t imagine Bran won’t be affected.

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      YES! (But I always think that every week)

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    98. Ugh how lame
      No real open chat lol
      It’s 7 am on Monday here in China. Heading to do some work but I’ll be watching the episode tonight

      I’m so excited! Wveryones got me hyped up.

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    99. HereBeDragons:
      Ginevra,

      and though never mentioned in the show but Daenerys always dreamed of going back to the home with the Red Door and Lemon Tree which for some reason, I’ve never shaken of as Dorne reference. (in fact… I’ve Never believed the “Ashara jumped to her death” but not going to open up a now irrelavant discussion, now that Aegon is cut)

      Ah! Dany’s red door! That could be the case. IIRC, many think the red door is in Braavos, which was originally meant to be more tropical. They changed everything else but forgot the lemon tree.

      I forgot that we are getting the kingsmoot this episode, right?! So we get a better look at Euron, and we probably get to see him baptized, the iron way. I’m thinking that they drown and then do CPR to bring the baptized ones back to breathing, right?

      What is dead may never die … But rises again, harder and stronger.

      I hope we actually get this latter half response in this episode. Will we see Silence? Will we see the de-tongued?

      What will Brienne’s mission be? Obviously, the Riverlands, but will it mirror LSH’s assignment? Eek!

      What will Arya’s mission be – or rather who? I hope it is someone we know, but most think it will be someone in Braavos.

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    100. Khal Daniel,

      Honesty… it makes perfect sense!

      The White Walkers need to remove the 3ER and his Weirwood network and whatever powers are linked to that cave, must surely be the same spells that are linked to The Wall that keeps them from crossing/

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    101. Wimsey: Or awful and worth the rant.

      ?

      Im going to HOPE its awesome and worth the wait…. 😉 Half full.. lemonade out of lemons kinda girl.. .

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    102. Wimsey: Or awful and worth the rant.

      ?

      Ever the optimist, aren’t you?

      ETA: Eek! Smileys scare me to begin with. (Yes, I’m that strange.) But the teethy ones look particularly vicious. Adding in the italic slant distortion is really freaking me out.

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    103. HereBeDragons,

      I’m thinking it’s to do with the Three-Eyed-Raven’s cave.

      Speaking of which, can you imagine what that place must smell like, with all those bones and mulch and not a shower in sight? As if a teen like Bran would actually take a shower regularly, amirite moms?

      Forgive me, I'm a nervous wreck and will no doubt remain one until 10 pm tonight, 😉

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    104. HereBeDragons:
      Khal Daniel,

      Honesty… it makes perfect sense!

      The White Walkers need to remove the 3ER and his Weirwood network and whatever powers are linked to that cave, must surely be the same spells that are linked to The Wall that keeps them from crossing/

      Maybe that is why he told Bran that he won’t be there like him? That he see’s the WW coming and knows his days are numbered? Ohhhhhhhh my gosh.. that would be epic.

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    105. I spent most of today traveling, and I was worried because I knew that I would be cutting it close before making it to my destination (Thank God my hotel gets HBO). However, that turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as I didn’t learn that the episode had leaked until pretty much now. HBO Nordic, was it? Ouch. They’ll be in for it.

      I’ll hold out for the remaining few hours. See you on the other side, everyone! 🙂

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    106. Dee:
      Ice Spider,

      It’s got 9.9/10 on IMDb already
      Hardhome and red wedding have the same score!

      YIIIIIIPPPPPPPEEEEE Kinda makes me wonder if the leak wasn’t intentional? To get more people to watch this week?

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    107. Ginevra: What will Arya’s mission be – or rather who?

      Probably very unlikely but I kinda hope it’s the waif. That jealous b-word needs a good thrashing at least. 🙂

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    108. Ginerva,
      Thanks! That’s an awesome cake. I wish I had it for real!

      I’m still holding out hope that we’ll get more warging/skinchanging from the other Starks. Maybe that’s why Robin got a falcon, so Sansa (called Little Bird by the Hound) can warg it. It’d also be kind of fun if Rickon controlled one of Ramsay’s dogs and used it against him. Hey, I can dream.

      Angela,
      I’ve always gotten a creepy vibe from the CotF. Plus, the northern mythology is based on Irish and Scottish mythology and the faeries were definitely never totally human friendly. I’m curious about the white walker’s motives too. Beings who control zombie armies can’t be good exactly, but they’re supposedly more complex than they seem.

      HereBeDragons,
      Braavos is definitely not a climate in which lemon trees grow. That memory has always seemed suspect to me.

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    109. Guys a HUGE well done to all of you here who have had the strength to resist watching the leaked ep. I wish I’d resisted but it was virtually impossible with social media etc. Your perseverance and dedication will soon be rewarded, enjoy! 🙂

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    110. Jared:
      I spent most of today traveling, and I was worried because I knew that I would be cutting it close before making it to my destination (Thank God my hotel gets HBO). However, that turned out to be a blessing in disguise, as I didn’t learn that the episode had leaked until pretty much now. HBO Nordic, was it? Ouch. They’ll be in for it.

      I’ll hold out for the remaining few hours. See you on the other side, everyone! ?

      I was traveling today too.. and had to work outdoors in the middle of NO WHERE so no wifi or internet to tempt me. Honestly I didn’t want to watch it earlier and am kinda surprised more of the faithful here went over to the dark side and watched it already. ;( Bummer since we all like to talk beforehand. But say-la-veeee (lol my way of spelling it)

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    111. If you’ve watched the episode, you really should not comment in this post at all. Don’t rate it, don’t give hints, nothing. Really tired of having to spell this out. Go to the other post.

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    112. Ginevra,

      Gosh… been so concentrated on what I want to see I’ve forgotten the Kingsmoot, let’s hope Euron’s character is handled way better than the Sand-Snakes :o)

      Seems Brienne is destined to go to the Riverlands, but I was hoping that Davos was going to be sent to White Harbour (tie back to the books) but it appears he’s been sent to Bear Island (Ah well… least we may get to see this Lyanna Mormont… she’s got to be a cool kid, rite!!! ;o)

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    113. Apollo:
      Guys a HUGE well done to all of you here who have had the strength to resist watching the leaked ep. I wish I’d resisted but it was virtually impossible with social media etc. Your perseverance and dedication will soon be rewarded, enjoy!?

      AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGG now that is really going to make me chomp at the bit.. uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugh

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    114. Maester Victor:
      Miss Stark,

      Or have everyone finally starting to warg in the same episode or couple of episodes?When I saw that falcon last week I almost squeed thinking that Sansa will warg it soon!!!(Although she needs to get there…and start warging…and them BAM!).But if they didn’t show it when Arya was blinded when will they show it?(Are they saving it for when she’s reunited with Nymeria?!?)

      Yay! I like that idea much better than Wimsey’s no warging on.

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    115. Dee:
      Ice Spider,

      It’s got 9.9/10 on IMDb already
      Hardhome and red wedding have the same score!

      Ooooh, nice! That got me to sneak a quick peak at another GoT related site that puts up episode user scores. So far nothing yet though.

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    116. Sue the Fury:
      If you’ve watched the episode, you really should not comment in this post at all. Don’t rate it, don’t give hints, nothing. Really tired of having to spell this out. Go to the other post.

      Thanks Sue.. its really aggravating…… we are trying to be diligent and wait.. just makes it so much harder. Thanks for being diligent and moderate.. I know you must hate days like this.. ppl are just so dumb

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    117. @ Icedragon
      @herebedragons
      Yes it that does make sense. I have a foul taste in my mouth now. I’m thinking 3ER might be close to an end.

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    118. Dee,

      well It can go down as well I believe, let’s wait to see how good the episode is first 🙂
      Ozymandias from breaking bad has a 10, Hope Game of Thrones gets one to this year 😀

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    119. Dee:
      Ice Spider,

      Hahahah thanks!!!!!
      CANT WAIT

      Me either.. and I am refusing to go one FB or Twitter or any website for that matter.. I know evil lurks amongst those websites.. lol…

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    120. Ginevra,

      I would love this too, but I think Wimsey is probably right. It seems like it’s too late for any of the rest to start warging. I’d be happy to just SEE Nymeria again!

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    121. weirwoodtreehugger:

      Angela,
      I’ve always gotten a creepy vibe from the CotF.Plus, the northern mythology is based on Irish and Scottish mythology and the faeries were definitely never totally human friendly.I’m curious about the white walker’s motives too.Beings who control zombie armies can’t be good exactly, but they’re supposedly more complex than they seem.

      I agree. There is just something we are not being told. I think the COTF are using Bran to get what they wanted. Just because they are magical beings doesn’t mean they don’t have an agenda.

      As for the WWs, they are not good. I just think there is more to the story. A missing piece.

      I hope we get another piece of the puzzle tonight!

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    122. Ice Spider,

      Same. I like to go and watch the episode’s preview on Youtube about a dozen times before the episode on Sunday nights, but I’m too scared to go there. Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are also off-limits for the next 90 minutes as well.

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    123. Arya’s scene with Meryn Trant was pretty awful, but I think I could handle it once more if it was Ramsey…in fact, that would be awesome. “My name is Arya Stark and you’re the creep who hurt my sister. Prepare to die. Slowly.”

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    124. Ginevra,

      My question for you all, what is the door?

      Doors of perception and finding knowledge.

      There is also the question of making a choice “whether you chose to walk through that door or not.

      What will Bran see tonight?

      This follows from theee of the door that will hopefully give the means to solve the WW issue/threat.

      Are the CotF inherently good or bad?What about Bloodraven?

      The CotF are just as flawed as the humans and have to deal with the consequences of their own actions. While they are not war mongering and riven by ambition like the human world they are not perfect.

      Bloodraven is the same but working for the good as he sees it. It’s probably a making amends for all the wrong he did in Kingslanding . If however he is action on some broader Targ prophesy action plan I’ll reverse my opinion.

      Will we see Lyanna Mormont tonight?

      I don’t think so. The distances are just to great from the wall to bear island. I’d suggest they send out ravens and head off to meetings. The wildlings will stay where they are so as not to cause more tension.

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    125. SPOILER ALERT! Tonight’s episode is gonna be really good….. No I haven’t seen it. They just all are ?

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    126. Off topic.. how many think we will see Ice Spiders or Ice Dragons? Im really hoping we do.. I was Ice Dragon on the unmentionable site (like 6 months ago) but stopped going there bc someone else stole my name and refused to stop using it..

      I mean how cool would that be for Jon to ride an Ice Dragon and battle Dany on Drogon?

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    127. This has been an excruciating few hours… Can’t wait for 9:00!

      I have a feeling we may see (at least the beginning of) the demise of the Tyrell’s tonight. They’re condensing storylines like crazy, and I feel like they don’t have much of a role to play in the wars to come. Regardless, their army coming into KL cannot mean good things. Just my two sense.

      I’m very interested to find out the significance of the title as well. I don’t really buy into the Hodor theory – doesn’t seem like something that would be title-worthy – but I am hoping we get more of his back story. Unfortunately I don’t really have any theories of my own.

      I’m pumped to see more of Bran. If we’re getting WW, Winterfell, and CotF, he most be pretty central to the episode (hopefully).

      First time poster here, long time follower of the site. Glad to have some unspoiled company as we wait it out ?

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    128. Ice Spider: Me either.. and I am refusing to go one FB or Twitter or any website for that matter.. I know evil lurks amongst those websites.. lol…

      Stay away from those places until you see the episode.

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    129. Ahhh, yes maybe we will see lil Lyanna Mormont! I’ll take any damn Lyanna at this point. Plus lady Mormonts are the best!!!

      Ginevra,

      Yes, we have to stay strong and hope that all the warning comes… eventually!

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    130. Miss Stark:
      Ice Spider,

      Same. I like to go and watch the episode’s preview on Youtube about a dozen times before the episode on Sunday nights, but I’m too scared to go there. Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram are also off-limits for the next 90 minutes as well.

      I know.. its really sucking bc I had other things to do tonight and literally can’t get any work done bc I have to go online to do research. Just really pissed right now that the show was leaked. I mean how in the EFF does that happen????? Just so unprofessional.

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    131. excited to see what is tyrion upto. …I am really enjoying meereen this season,,,,,,,
      and arya …….arya be nice to waif …only beat her to death please ….

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    132. I heard about the leak this morning – took a shower, eat my breakfast, went to the beach, with a book – I took my phone for emergencies only, but, had my wifi off.

      I have been unplugged all day until about 5 mins ago and looking forward to episode 5. I am appreciative of the way WOTW has handled this. Please, please people – do not ruin it for those of us who have worked hard all day to remain unsullied. I didn’t want to stay away any longer because catching up with my friends at WOTW is part of my Sunday GOT ritual.

      Looking forward to hanging out with the crew, after the episode airs tonight.

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    133. Angela: Stay away from those places until you see the episode.

      I am … I have already heard others on here say that they have crossed into the dark side too.. grrrrr :{

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    134. So what’s Danys next step? Go back to mereen with a vengeance? What will she think of Tyrions compromise? Or will she just pass go with her new army and collect her $200 at westeros? Will we see her tonight? Or have to wait

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    135. Alwight:
      This has been an excruciating few hours… Can’t wait for 9:00!

      I have a feeling we may see (at least the beginning of) the demise of the Tyrell’s tonight. They’re condensing storylines like crazy, and I feel like they don’t have much of a role to play in the wars to come. Regardless, their army coming into KL cannot mean good things. Just my two sense.

      I’m very interested to find out the significance of the title as well. I don’t really buy into the Hodor theory – doesn’t seem like something that would be title-worthy – but I am hoping we get more of his back story. Unfortunately I don’t really have any theories of my own.

      I’m pumped to see more of Bran. If we’re getting WW, Winterfell, and CotF, he most be pretty central to the episode (hopefully).

      First time poster here, long time follower of the site. Glad to have some unspoiled company as we wait it out ?

      Welcome .. and so glad to see your post!! Always good to hear another’s insight.

      FYI.. I wouldn’t count the Lannister’s out yet.. they are pretty darn good at survival.. well some of them at least. I can’t see them going anywhere for at least another season.

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    136. Ice Spider:
      Off topic.. how many think we will see Ice Spiders or Ice Dragons? Im really hoping we do.. I was Ice Dragon on the unmentionable site (like 6 months ago) but stopped going there bc someone else stole my name and refused to stop using it..

      I mean how cool would that be for Jon to ride an Ice Dragon and battle Dany on Drogon?

      I think we’ll definitely see ice spiders in the books – maybe ice dragons. I’m not sure we’ll see either in the shows. That may have been why George wanted the series to end with a movie and a movie’s budget.

      I think Dany and Jon will be on the same side, or at least I hope they will be.

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    137. Dee,

      If i were you, i would stay away from social media sites. Assholes are spoiling it left and right, and I don’t mean a handful of people, EVERYONE!!

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    138. Bottle of red Pinot Noir check
      Potty break check
      Little one off to lala land check
      all electronic devices off check
      saying adieu to all of you check

      Lol.. gotta go folks.. enjoy the show.. can’t wait to be able to go to other thread afterwards. Guess no sleep for me for a long time tonight.

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    139. HereBeDragons,

      She is Danish, thank you very much, not dutch. People always mix us with the dutch, or believe that Denmark is the capital of Sweden. But yeah, Karsi was an instant fan favourite, which had a lot to do with Birgitte Hjorth Sørensens performance in which she managed to win our hearts in just a few quick moment before all hell broke loose. If they can find a way to get her back, they probably will. Then again, she is dead. Then again, she did rise again with blue eyes. Then again, she’s probably filming the second season of Vinyl.

      On another note, I have a feeling Aeron Greyjoy will be somewhat prominent in this episode, of course because of the released HBO-foto of him. I enjoyed Michael Feast as the Damphair in Home.

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    140. Ginevra: I think we’ll definitely see ice spiders in the books – maybe ice dragons.I’m not sure we’ll see either in the shows.That may have been why George wanted the series to end with a movie and a movie’s budget.

      I think Dany and Jon will be on the same side, or at least I hope they will be.

      I know.. just wishful thinking.. I was at least hoping for Ice Dragons. How epic would that be? A WW riding an Ice Dragon? Ahhhhhh a girl can dream.

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    141. Ice Spider,

      I never even considered a Dany v. Jon matchup until seeing people suggest it recently on here. I’d like to think that they will align forces… I can’t foresee circumstances where 1) Jon would have interest in the Iron Throne, which is what Dany will presumably be after, and 2) Jon and Dany going to war against someone without any attempts at peace/diplomacy. If you get both of them in the same room, I feel like they’d leave on the same page. You never know though, it would certainly make for an epic battle with a really conflicted audience.

      Ice spiders and dragons would be awesome, but my vote would be that we won’t see them any time soon. Maybe closer to the series finale, but I’m not really sure if the budget would be there or not. We can hope.

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    142. For me, the biggest surprise tonight would be if Bronn finally showed up!

      And if he kicked some keister. I don’t care who’s keister Bronn’s kicking as long as Bronn’s kicking keister. (Try saying that three times really fast.)

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    143. Alwight: I have a feeling we may see (at least the beginning of) the demise of the Tyrell’s tonight. They’re condensing storylines like crazy, and I feel like they don’t have much of a role to play in the wars to come. Regardless, their army coming into KL cannot mean good things.

      Oh yeah, I haven’t even been thinking of KL since the thread opened. I do think Cersei is withholding what Tommen told her to fuel her revenge. Revenge because I still think she’s found out that Olenna was involved in Joffrey’s death. I believe that’s a BIG THING that D&D would use to make shit hit the fan in KL (even if George doesn’t), which has to happen at some point right. I don’t know if that kind of “resolution” will be gotten to tonight but something should get started.

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    144. Ice Spider: I know.. just wishful thinking.. I was at least hoping for Ice Dragons. How epic would that be? A WW riding an Ice Dragon? Ahhhhhh a girl can dream.

      OMG. There goes sleeping tonight. Thanks. 🙂

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    145. Ice Spider,

      So lucky
      I’m in China and its Monday morning so I gotta wait till the evening
      But thank fully I go back to Canada and next week I will watch GOT during normal times

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    146. Ice Spider,

      I think we will see ice spiders, ice dragons, ghosts – just about everything imaginable before this ends – D&D have done a Master’s job laying out the series – not too much magic/syfy kind of stuff in the first five seasons as to not scare away the “normal” people, just enough to have them hooked…..then….WHAM – season 6, 7 and 8 watch out below.

      I love it.

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    147. Connor:
      Dee,

      If i were you, i would stay away from social media sites. Assholes are spoiling it left and right, and I don’t mean a handful of people, EVERYONE!!

      It feels like we’re hiding out in a shelter waiting for the storm to pass. I have just one other site open, a sports team forum that has some GoT fans but not the type to spoil anything.

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    148. Ice Spider: Im actually kinda surprised we haven’t had any warging yet except by Bran. I really want to see it happen for them all and am curious as to why they are not showing that part of their abilities?

      It has not been relevant to the stories yet for any character other than Bran, and the show tends to not introduce plot devices until/unless they are relevant to that season’s story. And as we don’t know if Arya or Jon learning to warg is ever going to be relevant to the story, we don’t know if the show will ever even really consider adding this.

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    149. Clob,

      Agreed. I’m ready for things to get moving in KL. Tommen’s secret definitely seemed to foreshadow something big happening soon. Whatever it is, I feel like the High Sparrow would have definitely anticipated it getting back to Cersei.

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    150. Clob: It feels like we’re hiding out in a shelter waiting for the storm to pass.I have just one other site open, a sports team forum that has some GoT fans but not the type to spoil anything.

      Are you sure? Be careful. We are almost there. It would suck to be spoiled right before it airs.

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    151. Clob: It feels like we’re hiding out in a shelter waiting for the storm to pass.I have just one other site open, a sports team forum that has some GoT fans but not the type to spoil anything.

      You have to hide. I have been watching movies and shows on hulu today to pass the time. No social media. You have to set up a quarantine around you to avoid spoilers.

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    152. Wow. For once, I’m glad that I don’t have internet at home, because arriving at my office an hour before showtime, and gaining access to the web for the first time today, makes it a whole lot easier to resist finding and watching the leaked version.

      I don’t dare read any comments even here in the “safe” thread, but looking forward to joining the discussion post-official-airing.

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    153. Dee,

      Didn’t the People’s Republic recently ban any and all mention of reincarnation in their movies? I’m as anti-superstition as the next person, but that seems a bit silly.

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    154. Whenever I think of “the door,” I think of the door in the Shadow Tower, since it’s all magicky. I know it was bypassed in the show, but the Wall itself could also be considered a door–a physical and magical barrier that prevents the Walkers from descending upon the world.

      I also don’t believe things are as black/white as WALKERSBAD/DRAGONSGOOD. I’m so stoked to see what Bran’s interactions with them reveal.

      I’m surprised so many people think the leak was some kind of intentional or even conspiratorial maliciousness. Companies are run by people, and people make mistakes. I worked at a very large video games company and people fucked up all the time. Most of those mistakes were caught before the public was exposed to them, but things got leaked or the wrong files were uploaded or the wrong packages sent—it happens. I’d hate to be the employee who hit that button right now.

      And WE are the cool kids in this scenario, dammit. Yes, we all want to know what happened, we’re all excited, we all want to be in on the discussion, but there’s something special about participating in this fandom as it happens, discovering things together, freaking out together, crying together, arguing together, etc. I know I don’t participate a lot, but I read everyone’s comments every week, and I’d rather read your discussions in tandem with watching the episode than jumping ahead just to feel privileged for watching something early. This is what’s special, IMO.

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    155. Thanks to everyone for the safe haven here.. I’m off to watch the NBA playoffs for an hour. Stay strong everyone!!!!

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    156. Yea, I’m outta here too. Some people are just itching to spill the beans and I doubt Sue will be quick enough on the draw to delete it…see you guys in 2 hours.

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    157. Dee,

      are you afraid ?
      You should be, your in the Great Game now.
      and the Great Game in terrifying.

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    158. Clob,

      One of my two fave football teams, the other being the Packers. I knew it couldn’t be a NY Yankees forum because they’re notorious blabbermouths.

      Did I mention that I’m a huge Red Sox fan? 😉

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    159. You guys wanna know what’s funny ? Is my hotel in China has hbo (randomly!!!!nbut it’s a Marriott) and they air game of thrones at 9 am today so I’m one hour, same time as US time… But I can’t watch cause I gotta go to work! SO CLOSE!!!!

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    160. I’m off to watch last week’s episode again, Talk to you all later.

      The North remembers!

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    161. After tonight’s episode, I am going to give Preacher a try. Looks pretty good, but this pilot will determine if I continue to watch or not.

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    162. Dee:
      Clob,

      Go Titans ! Hhaha

      Mariota is my favorite non-Viking player… Actually, I can’t even put it that way because that downgrades him from favorite couple players in the league. I didn’t miss a game of his at Oregon and was po’d he didn’t declare a year earlier so the Vikings would have had a high enough draft spot to get him.

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    163. Also, do people really have that hard a time finding something to do that isn’t on the internet for a few hours? I’m normally busy before each episode as I’m in school and most of my assignments are due Sunday night, but I have tons of shit I can do that has nothing to do with the internet. Everyone here knows better than to go online if you missed an episode or something was leaked. Read a book! Clean your bathroom! Build a crazy, elaborate, Indiana-Jones-worthy, indoor-outdoor kitty labyrinth! Something!

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    164. Daniellica: Also, do people really have that hard a time finding something to do that isn’t on the internet for a few hours?

      Just a case of habit. Like many I’ve spent lots of time Sunday afternoons/evenings during the season over these years reading and writing about the upcoming episode. I wasn’t going to let some guy in a closet at HBO Nordic wreck it.

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    165. I can’t believe how many of our fellow watchers gave in to the leak! That thread ha almost 900 comments already! Wtf!

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    166. Really wish I wasn’t stuck at work for another 2 1/2 hours! The end of my shift is coming slower than winter!

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    167. At the end of every Game of Thrones episode, I get sad, and then I see the next episode preview, and get happy, then I get sad again because we have to wait another week for it 🙁

      But then, there will be videos from Ozzy Man and Alt Shift X to ease the pain of waiting!!

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    168. Stay strong at work those stuck there! The rest of us will bite out nails in our Indiana Jones blanket huts!

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    169. I can’t handle another Red Wedding. I just hope whatever these big moments are, they don’t involve killing off any more Starks.

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    170. Dee,

      Yeah, someone posted that they got a spoiler just from a recommended YouTube video, one of an audience reaction to some scene. That’s why I’m steering clear of pretty much all other sites for the next 35min

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    171. Connor:
      At the end of every Game of Thrones episode, I get sad, and then I see the next episode preview, and get happy, then I get sad again because we have to wait another week for it

      I was not on this site when last season ended. Will we have a wailing and mourning thread after episode 10? LOL!!
      I can’t believe we are already half way trough. So soon the agony of the ‘long wait’ will begin….

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    172. Well y’all I’m off to do my work day here
      So I won’t be logging back on till I get to watch the episode which will be around 6/7 pm my time so You all will be sleeping by then IF you can sleep after this episode lol

      Can’t wait to be back in Canada to watch GOT live lol

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    173. Dee:
      Well y’all I’m off to do my work day here
      So I won’t be logging back on till I get to watch the episode which will be around 6/7 pm my time so You all will be sleeping by then IF you can sleep after this episode lol

      Can’t wait to be back in Canada to watch GOT live lol

      Have a good one, Dee!

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    174. Episode 5 major death poll
      Vote:
      A) Three eyed raven
      B) Sansa
      C) Davos
      D) Theon
      E) Meera
      F) Melisandre
      G) someone else
      H) None

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    175. I’ve actually had no trouble waiting. GoT at 8PM is just part of my Sunday routine this time of year. All I’m doing is what I normally do. It’s the avoiding spoilers that’s tricky. Usually I spend a lot of time online Sundays because it’s the day where I don’t really do anything. I’ve just been playing casual phone games and looking at the archives of my favorite blog (other than this one) all day. Less than half an hour to go! My dad gave me a bottle of Absolut, so I think I’m going to make a martini. I’ll probably regret it come tomorrow, but what the hell, it’s my birthday!

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    176. Khal Daniel,

      No Daniel.. Don’t!!!

      Some bastard WILL post a spoiler reply!!! :o(

      Ok…. too risky now be back in 1 and a half hours. Not your Fault Daniel but can’t risk been spoiled when so close. :o)

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    177. Clob,

      Thanks for letting me know! It’s such a ritual at this point to come in to my office an hour beforehand, read through everyone’s comments, make last-minute speculations, and then watch the episode. I couldn’t resist coming back to the thread. It’s nice to know it’s safe.

      You know that test that they did with kids and marshmallows, showing that people who are capable of delaying gratification in childhood generally end up more successful in the long run? If we’re trying to sort out the “who’s the cool kid?” question referenced upthread, I guess we can all reflect on those marshmallows as we patiently await our reward.

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    178. Khal Daniel:
      Episode 5 major death pollVote:A) Three eyed ravenB) SansaC) DavosD) TheonE) MeeraF) Melisandre G) someone else H) None

      I’ll throw a vote for Mel. The talks of Shireen last week + Brienne’s threats are, I think, hinting at something to come. Maybe not this week, but who knows.

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    179. fierce as a wolverine: You know that test that they did with kids and marshmallows, showing that people who are capable of delaying gratification in childhood generally end up more successful in the long run? If we’re trying to sort out the “who’s the cool kid?”

      I like that! We’re going with that!! We’re going to get to watch like usual while many aren’t going to get to.

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    180. I think those of us who chose to be unsullied and patient should get special recognition. maybe even a tshirt. just sayin

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    181. ash:
      I think those of us who chose to be unsullied and patient should get special recognition.maybe even a tshirt.just sayin

      Now there is a thought.

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    182. Almost there. I resisted the temptation to watch, and I am luckily unspoiled, so should be a great episode!

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    183. Connor,

      I find that pacing my weeks during the GoT season is sort of like pacing the half-marathons that I run. Like, Okay, Sunday night is the starting line, and you’re so exhilarated, then the episode ends and it starts to get difficult as you realize how far you have to go (mile one-two), then your get Game of Owns’ first recap episode and you feel tough again (mile four-five), then there are the video reviews to look forward to and you realize you’re more than halfway there (mile six-seven), but then it just starts to seem really long, and then there’s the second round of videos and write-ups here on WotW so you know you’re going to make it but it feels like it will never end, then there’s the second GOO podcast and the end is in sight and you realize that you’re back at the starting line again and you’re just like, Wait, this again? Why do I do this to myself? But you just can’t stop.

      And the full cycle of on-season/off-season is like some mega-ultra-marathon that’s just excruciatingly awesome.

      And now that I’ve written that exceedingly long and largely irrelevant comparison of two obsessions, I only have 13 minutes left! Yes! Time effectively killed.

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    184. Khal Daniel:
      Episode 5 major death pollVote:A) Three eyed ravenB) SansaC) DavosD) TheonE) MeeraF) Melisandre G) someone else H) None

      My vote is G.

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    185. Ugh… I spent the last hour watching “Mother’s Mercy.” Why did I rewatch Jon getting stabbed just before the new episode!? Better be something cheerful tonight… Yeah, what show have I been watching, right?

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    186. Thanks, Khal Daniel and newbie!

      And I guess I’ll vote for Mel in the death pool. She’s served her purpose in the story by resurrecting Jon. What else is there for her to do? I don’t want it to happen because Carice Van Houten is one of a long line of GoT actors that make me want an otherwise objectionable character to stick around, but it makes narrative sense for her to die soon.

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    187. Clob: I do think Cersei is withholding what Tommen told her to fuel her revenge. Revenge because I still think she’s found out that Olenna was involved in Joffrey’s death.

      Cersei is so convinced that Tyrion did it that Olenna could confess the whole plot to Cersei and Cersei would not believe it. Besides, Cersei is one of the main characters: if she were to learn something like this, then they would have to show us. If nothing else, then they would have to show us how she reconciles this with her belief that Tyrion is guilty.

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    188. Less than 10 minutes to go. Time to get ready for what is sure to be something crazy based on the comment count on the spoiler thread. I’m a little nervous.

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    189. Wimsey: Cersei is so convinced that Tyrion did it that Olenna could confess the whole plot to Cersei and Cersei would not believe it.Besides, Cersei is one of the main characters: if she were to learn something like this, then they would have to show us.If nothing else, then they would have to show us how she reconciles this with her belief that Tyrion is guilty.

      Yeah, you may be right. I just find it hard to believe that her hearing Margaery is going to do a walk of atonement is enough to set her off. The theory that she’s setting a trap to take down the Tyrell family and army sounds good to me. We’ll see.

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    190. weirwoodtreehugger: And I guess I’ll vote for Mel in the death pool. She’s served her purpose in the story by resurrecting Jon. What else is there for her to do?

      They still need her to help explain to the audience what the Prince that Promised is. This will be tricky: it’s important information, but it would be best if they could somehow show us. And this will be key stuff, too: book readers know very little about this history. Chances are good that it is much like the Tower of Joy: what is believed to have happened and what really happened are not quite the same, and the differences will be very important at the climax of the story.

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    191. First of all, thanks to Sue and Co. for making that spoiler thread. While I was too chicken to even take a chance here today, I’m glad to see others were not.

      For those, like me, who chose to wait to watch the episode, I really hope y’all enjoy it!!!

      Time to turn off the phone, get a beverage, and, of course, pee. 🙂

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    192. Welp I got some x-rays to go do so the votes are tied between Mel and someone unlisted. See everybody after the episode!!

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    193. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
      First of all, thanks to Sue and Co. for making that spoiler thread.While I was too chicken to even take a chance here today, I’m glad to see others were not.

      For those, like me, who chose to wait to watch the episode, I really hope y’all enjoy it!!!

      Time to turn off the phone, get a beverage, and, of course, pee.

      It’s time!!

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    194. Oh wow the “Previously” looks exciting

      Seems like we may find out about How Wylis got kicked in the head by a Horse

      Benjen was name dropped too, so expecting to see him again this season

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    195. Great Kingsmoot

      Great Coronation

      Really set Euron up nicely now as the main antagonist to Dany right after her Khalsmoot etc

      Love the death and re-birth theme etc

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    196. Interesting re Jorah, seems they will do a JonCon after all

      Wonder what the “cure” for Shireen was

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    197. So many theories confirmed oh god children make ww hodor=hold the door that means we were all probably right about rest of the story no point in watching anymore

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    198. OH MY GOSH- I cried worse for Hodor than anyone else … this was just so messed up.. I wasn’t ready for him to go….. nooooooooooo! Hodor.. don’t leave us. Just so messed up.

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    199. Ghosts Lunch:
      Interesting re Jorah, seems they will do a JonCon after all

      Wonder what the “cure” for Shireen was

      According to the books, Shireen was not ‘cured’, not really. The maesters say grayscale is not fatal in children. The healers/maesters at Dragonstone was able to contain the spread of the disease in Shireen (they used vinegar or something. JonCon dips his hand in wine). Val refers to Shireen as ‘the dead girl’, indicating that Shireen will die of grayscale eventually. It may be true or not, but no cure is known for grayscale in adults.

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    200. Incredible! Such a huge episode! There was not a note missing! I loved Kendricks Meera and the actors group were all great, Essie above all. The dialogues were some of the best so far and the editing like a knife cutting Hall the Door into pieces….

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    201. Was it really necessary to kill Summer off?

      Seems like a decision solely based on saving CGI money and time dealing with all the steps it takes to get a CGI dire wolf onscreen.

      But other then that great episode!!!

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    202. For an episode that was a couple of minutes shorter than last week, it seemed like it was twice as long. Not because it was slow, which it t’weren’t, but for how much story, emotion and action they packed into it. Hat’s off to ’em.

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    203. I think this was a better ending than Hardhome or any other episode. I was disturbed after those but nothing like this!!

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    204. You guys, i was watching alone and i couldn’t even go to my sister for confort because she will wait and watch with my mom and i could not stop crying my eyes out 🙁

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    205. WWs attacking weirnet central! One speculation I got right from last fall! Yeah! 🙂

      Wow, what a spectacular episode! The ending was almost too much to handle. Fuck, I’m bowled over and my mind is blown. Can’t wait to watch it again.

      Finally, fuck GRRM for not telling the content of this episode first. Such an amazing disclosure but I’m damn pissed that I didn’t read this first.

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    206. what to mention first! there was not a single scene that wasn’t well done. And what an editing for the finale!

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    207. Spoiler alert! The world is fucked and I don’t want to live in it any more. He was meant to be the prince that was promised! The one true king! *sobs*

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    208. Welp, as critical as I’ve been of this season, have to say they knocked it out of the park with that episode. Wasn’t anything in that episode that I was unhappy with, from the play in Braavos, to Dany and Jorah, to Mereen, to the Kingsmoot and to Bran of course, I was fully engaged for the whole hour. I think it didn’t hurt that nearly all of the stories I’ve had problems with, Ramsey, King’s Landing, and Sam / Gilly, etc. weren’t in this one.

      -I fucking love Arya’s story line, might be my favorite. Can’t believe people have been bored with it since she went to the House of B & W. I’ve been nothing but intrigued. Now we’re heading to a climax with the house of B & W, and it’s shaping up to be awesome.

      -The scene between Jorah and Dany was excellent.

      -Loved the Kingsmoot, I’m kind of glad Theon and Yara departed from the Iron Islands. Wonder if that’s the last we’ll see of Euron for this season? (hope not)

      -All the stuff in the North with LF and at Castle Black was great.

      -And of course Bran. Overall great scene, maybe a little CGIed more than usual for this show, and the Hodor child actor took me out of it a little with his acting, but fantastic overall. Hopefully we still get more flashbacks from Bran.

      Definitely will be rewatching this one.

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    209. The Bastard:
      So does Hodor just relive his death in his mind over and over again until he just dies?

      That is going to be a question for the ages. Im thinking he doesn’t remember that time until it comes again right at that moment when he has to hold the door… literally for Bran to escape.

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    210. One of my favorite episodes of all time…whoa!

      Two questions…

      Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?

      And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

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    211. Arthur: Was it really necessary to kill Summer off?

      Seems like a decision solely based on saving CGI money and time dealing with all the steps it takes to get a CGI dire wolf onscreen.

      Why do you assume this was their decision and not something GRRM told them?

      What about Bran being able to manipulate the past, since the present moment we just watched caused such an intense and indelible mark on the coinciding moment in the past? Will this come into play again? Will this affect the endgame? It has pretty giant implications.

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    212. The Bastard,

      I don’t think it’s over and over but I would guess it comes back here and there hence why he is easily scared. He is happy a lot of the time. Experiencing it as a child though is so heartbreaking and totally enough to break him like that.

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    213. Ghost is the next one to die. Poor Hodor. This was seriously heartbreaking but Summer at least went out fighting unlike Shaggydog.

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    214. My head is literally in some kind of warped zone…. like Im not really alive right now.. did a TV series just make me lose my mind?

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    215. The Nordic Fail sucks. But bein in the UK it was a good opportunity to not fuck up another Monday. Wooh!! But here I am. Still up. I’ve watched it thrice n keep calling out HOLD THE FUCKING DOOR D: Amazing. Season 6 is up there with Seasons 1&4 and we are only halfway thru 😀 now I read more shiz n sleep when it happens. FUUUCK

      ——‘

      Also big Happy Birthday to WWTH. You’re awesome

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    216. I’m not normally one to go all westeros.org, but I was completely disconnected and de-immersed by the final scenes at the tree. It was one ‘yeah, right’ moment after the other, something the Hardhome episode masterfully avoided.

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    217. This was just insane! I can’t wait for next week even more.
      Some say he is still holding the door… 🙁

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    218. Nodor. I really don’t know what to say because words cannot possibly explain how I feel, but that was another enthralling, fantastic, and heartbreaking episode of GoT. There were no weak scenes at all; instead it got better and better until that ending. My god that ending was so intense, so sad, and so devastating.

      If the season carries on like this it will be the best season ever. The premiere was average, but every episode since has been incredible, and just when you think it can’t get any better it does.

      The only bad news is that we are now halfway through the season, but what a season it has been so far.

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    219. Jack Bauer 24:
      One of my favorite episodes of all time…whoa!

      Two questions…

      Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?

      And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

      I think that Hodor was in some kind of time warp and that he experienced that twice in his life.. the first time when he heard Bran say “hold the Door” and then when he “lived” it out in real life holding the door…Im hoping to God he forgot it during the in-between time when from when he became “Hodor” to when he lost his life. If that makes sense.

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    220. LatrineDiggerBrian:
      Welp, as critical as I’ve been of this season, have to say they knocked it out of the park with that episode. Wasn’t anything in that episode that I was unhappy with, from the play in Braavos, to Dany and Jorah, to Mereen, to the Kingsmoot and to Bran of course, I was fully engaged for the whole hour. I think it didn’t hurt that nearly all of the stories I’ve had problems with, Ramsey, King’s Landing, and Sam / Gilly, etc. weren’t in this one.

      -I fucking love Arya’s story line, might be my favorite. Can’t believe people have been bored with it since she went to the House of B & W. I’ve been nothing but intrigued. Now we’re heading to a climax with the house of B & W, and it’s shaping up to be awesome.

      -The scene between Jorah and Dany was excellent.

      -Loved the Kingsmoot, I’m kind of glad Theon and Yara departed from the Iron Islands. Wonder if that’s the last we’ll see of Euron for this season? (hope not)

      -All the stuff in the North with LF and at Castle Black was great.

      -And of course Bran. Overall great scene, maybe a little CGIed more than usual for this show, and the Hodor child actor took me out of it a little with his acting, but fantastic overall. Hopefully we still get more flashbacks from Bran.

      Definitely will be rewatching this one.

      Sam/Gilly had one scene. What was your problem with them?

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    221. It is easy to see why there are only 15 episodes maximum left after this season.

      Can White Walkers survive dragon fire? And do they have a dragon of their own in the wall as well?

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    222. Holy spitballs that was a good episode. Basically every scene was among the best of the season, with the probable exception of the Castle Black courtyard scene where Sansa’s gift and Jon’s thanks and Tormund+Brienne felt a bit stiff.
      Everything else though? Wow.

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    223. Damn, lol…

      I am still in shock. But my whole family was crying or on the verge or holding back.

      Every storyline was good. I was teary eyed even watching Jorah and Dany.

      Still, my only nitpick is why did Sumer have to die? I understand he gave his life to save Bran but come on man, I was so excited to see him for the first time this season then five minutes later he’s dead?

      My logical sense thinks that D&D decided to make a business decision so more CGI money can go towards Dany’s dragons. But that’s so fucking lame because of ther cash cow that GoT is for HBO why couldn’t they just tell HBO they need X amount of dollaors for CGI next season and get it? IDK man, I just love those dire wolfs and they are getting killed off to fast. They suppose to represent the Stark kids!

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    224. A little amazed people are weeping for the CGI direwolf here, considering that not only did we lose the Three Eyed Raven (and hence, no more Max von Sydow, unless he’s going to appear to Bran in dreams later)… but… Hodor. Fucking Hodor. The most innocent soul on the show, goes out heroically and we find out has been a hero all this time. This was truly a painful loss.

      I’m going to cry when we get a Kristian Nairn’s Curtain Call. 🙁

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    225. So upset 🙁 Fortunately thanks to spoilers I was able to put my hands over my ears so I didn’t hear poor Summer 🙁 Will have to do that again when I watch it with hubby, who annoyingly doesn’t like spoilers. I have given our two daughters the heads up about Summer so they can be prepared.

      Instead of looking forward to each new episode I’m now coming to dread it. So many people/direwolves being bumped off.

      Please please no more direwolf slaying. I can’t take it 🙁

      And I would just like to add I didn’t like Jon’s new cloak. Some poor wolf relative gave up it’s life for that cloak. The least Sansa could have done was trim off the head and tail. Or even just the head. I couldn’t look at it 🙁

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    226. The show has certainly changed course. One could easily say the boring story lines of the first 2 season where Jon Snow, Sansa Stark, & Bran Stark. Now, in Season 6, they are the best 3 characters of the show.

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    227. All these people who think that the death of the dire wolves is a budget issue. As if the producers couldn’t find a budget if they wanted to keep them…

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    228. I was so totally wrong about Ho(ld the )Do(o)r. He will be missed, as will Summer even though that was really cheesy to just throw some paint on Ghost and call him Summer.

      With all of the mentions of Benjen, that must be Benjen that saves them on the horse with his flaming bag of poo (or something), right?

      What does Kinvara know about Varys?!!

      I’m freaking loving Brienne’s reaction to Tormund!!!!

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    229. weirwoodtreehugger: At least I got a good laugh out of Brienne basically calling Jon emo.

      So much to process, I’d forgotten all about that, and I had the same reaction. Also, I cracked up every time Tormund looked at Brienne.

      I’m guessing, as much as I hated it, and will have that moment on mute when I rewatch, Summer will probably die defending Bran in the cave in the books, too.

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    230. Dee,

      haha i was XD
      didn’t dare watch the episode, but i couldn’t keep myself away from the thread.
      Saw the Episode, Ending almost had tears coming out, i’m completely Bloody devastated over Hodor and summer, noble sacrifices 🙁
      Loved the Jon and sansa scenes, Jon really does have the best small council 🙂 Tormund, Davos, Sansa, Mel, Edd, And Brienne 😀
      White walker action like always was Epic as Hell, Bloody loved the episode <3
      going to re watch it again 🙂

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    231. Jack Bauer 24:
      One of my favorite episodes of all time…whoa!

      Two questions…

      Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?

      And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

      I’m assuming it was a Stark.

      Old Nan told Bran that the NK was a Stark. I don’t believe that detail was in the show, but I won’t be surprised if she was right and it’s show cannon.

      I don’t know if that needed to be in spoiler tags, but just in case.

      The Stark line is mega old. I’m guessing they both led in the war against the children and led the peace treaty.

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    232. this was an amazing episode..so much packed into it

      Sansa is done with LF, and he knows it. “half brother” line was desperation card.

      I enjoyed the Kingsmoot…”I am Theon Greyjoy..” was a great moment for me after seeing what he has gone through and Euron’s crazy smile when he said “lets go murder them” was priceless

      Jorah will be back, Dany has commanded it and it will be done.. expect him back before show is done.

      LOOOVED Kinerva..please tell me she is more then a one off character…that was hands down best Mereen scene this season

      A Girl went to the theater…Arya Stark came back to the HoBW,,The Waif called it true..Lady Ayra Stark will never be “no one”.

      The CotF and WW visions were CREEPY but very well done

      my favorite scene was Sansa giving Jon his new furs..she was on this side of flirting with him …I doubt the writers take it there, but they are going to push that line very close I do believe

      and finally
      Hodor Leaf and Summer went out like bosses…those last few minutes were insane

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    233. Geralt of Rivia,

      It’s the first direwolf we watch dying fighting … well, listening … really awful. Both Grey Wind and Lady were just executed in the show and they only showed Shaggydog’s head … RIP Summer. He was the best of them all … The scene Summer saved Bran and Catelyn is one of my all time favourite …

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    234. If the hold the door thing is true it’s terribly cheesy. Maybe i’m a bad person but I said out loud that’s silly. Too much back to the future for me, even after D&D explained it I still find it hard to believe thats how it will happen in WOW.

      Also Summer too?

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

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    235. let-it-snow: And I would just like to add I didn’t like Jon’s new cloak. Some poor wolf relative gave up it’s life for that cloak. The least Sansa could have done was trim off the head and tail. Or even just the head. I couldn’t look at it

      Yes, the damn wars have made access to the sweatshops in Braavos and Volantis very difficult to access, so Sansa had to make it herself and actually use an animal’s skin for it. I’m sure the Southern vegan movement will be very upset and urge people to side with the Boltons because they only skin evil, wolf-murdering humans like Sansa Stark.

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    236. Hodors Bastard: WWs attacking weirnet central! One speculation I got right from last fall! Yeah!

      Congrats! I was skeptical at first, but the idea that Bran’s interaction with the Night King over the Weirnet made me less so: and, sure enough, that was it.

      But the big reveal: the Walkers are the Children’s creation turned against them. I gotta admit, I never considered that, and I never saw that idea posted.

      So… is R’hllor going to be the Children’s answer to the Walkers? I am beginning to think that the Children should have hurried up and gone extinct! Still, who’s fault is it all in the end? Humans. Go us: we even manage to fuck up fantasy worlds.

      (And, yet again, we get another example of the price of creating sides. At this point, that has to be this year’s story.)

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    237. Hold the door.

      That episode. THAT ENDING. Sweet Holy God.

      I need several stiff drinks right now – one to settle my nerves and the others to raise to the incredible, deeply heroic sacrifices of Summer and Hodor, who died so that Bran and Meera might live. But I’m sitting here in my hotel room and I have nothing. I did not think this through.

      I’ll have to go down to the bar or order room service, once I can be certain I won’t tear up in front of a bunch of complete strangers. And luckily, I need to wake up early for work tomorrow! Probably for the best – if I didn’t, I’d just keep raising glass after glass. I can’t pay enough tribute to what I just witnessed.

      All of the other scenes were incredible. But everything Beyond the Wall – and especially that final sequence – stands among the greatest drama that Game of Thrones has given us. One of the most heartbreaking and iconic deaths, for certain.

      HOLD THE DOOR!

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    238. Should have either stuck with dogs for the direwolves or went completely CGI. I get the feeling having to work with real wolves and insert them into scenes was a real pain in the ass, and that is why they are killing them off. I’d sacrafice a dragon to save the direwolves. We don’t need Viserion, do we?

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    239. So Arya is doing a killing that was most probably paid for Cersei and/ or that maester she protects. How will she feel when/ if she learns about that?

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    240. Now that I can think clearly …… FUCKING DAMN IT BRAN… you stupid dumb ass teenager.. YOU JUST HAD TO GO AND FUCK IT ALL UP DIDN’T YOU????? Ok ….. sorry had to get that off my chest.

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    241. And I’m STILL having to clear my cashe to see the website… Bad server. BAD.

      Best episode this season, of course.
      Hodor really does = Hold the Door. Wow.
      My husband is glad that the male nudity involved unsexy warts… I mean really? Men… always wanting a woman’s fun ruined… 😉

      Nothing really to say. Best acting from Amelia I’ve ever seen. Writers admitting Littlefinger was a sudden idiot. Euron is a bit awkwardly shoehorned into the flying Mach7 plot but he’s a crazy/sexy breath of fresh sea air. Just tons to love, nothing to hate on. Like nothing. I’m confused. What do I post about when I’m so happy? Too much CGI? No King’s Landing (as if, who cares, burn it) *sigh* joyous bliss…

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    242. Ginevra: With all of the mentions of Benjen, that must be Benjen that saves them on the horse with his flaming bag of poo (or something), right?

      For a minute, I was afraid we’d see Benjen as Bran was walking among the Wights.

      #FLAMINGBAGOFPOOCONFIRMED

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    243. Jack Bauer 24,

      It looked kinda like dragonglass but i’m not sure why that would unleash all-powerful ice magic like we saw. Lots of answers given in this episode but many new questions too.

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    244. Ginevra: I was so totally wrong about Ho(ld the )Do(o)r.

      The “Hold the Door” idea turned out to be very ironically correct. All the versions here were focused on the Tower of Joy, which is a big reason why it never made sense to me. I love the Timey-Wimey aspect of it.

      The tragedy of someone living in their death moment for decades is pretty apocalyptic. I give GRRM shit for Dorne and the Iron Islands, but when he is “on,” he really can knock it out of the park. He crushed that one.

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    245. Sunfyre: It looked kinda like dragonglass but i’m not sure why that would unleash all-powerful ice magic like we saw. Lots of answers given in this episode but many new questions too.

      That won’t be answered beyond the enacted fact that it clearly was part of some major ritual. The obsidian was almost certainly enchanted: but the details of that are all rather moot because they all are made up, anyway.

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    246. Jack Bauer 24:
      And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

      Because Bran was VPNed (like remotely tapping the network) into Young Hodor’s timeline while simultaneously warging into Old Hodor, the two lives seemed to cross currents and unite as a single mind, which totally blew Young Hodor’s mind. Note that Young Hodor heard Meera yelling in Old Hodor’s timeline even though Bran didn’t say anything.

      The Hodor we’ve always known definitely seems happy, all in all, so I don’t believe he’s constantly reliving that one horrible moment over and over.

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    247. Joh,

      In GRRM’s defense, he probably thought of it before Rowling was born. The question is, will he publish it before Rowling dies?

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    248. dothrakian raven:
      All these people who think that the death of the dire wolves is a budget issue. As if the producers couldn’t find a budget if they wanted to keep them…

      Doesn’t that make it more egregious by pointing out that the show runners either do not understand or worse, do not care, about the relevance of the direwolves to the Stark children? I suppose one could say that since they dropped the Stark warging abilities from all except Bran, it’s only natural that the wolves mean little more than cute pets to the series. Even if they all do end up dying in the books, they will have at least served a purpose in them more than the expendable window dressing they’ve become in the show.

      Shaggydog killed offscreen. Summer dives into a pack of bones and is immediately overwhelmed. No Nymeria. And Ghost is mostly a ghost now. Wasn’t even shown leaving with Jon and Co., when his presence alone by his side is proof of Stark blood to the North. He used to be by his side all day when they could use a young, real animal. If that change doesn’t scream budget, I don’t know would.

      It’s fine if that’s how the show runners see it. Their call. Doesn’t make it a nice adaptation to the original story though, IMHO.

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    249. Wimsey,

      It must be a tragedy for you to have missed inferring the Hold the Door element of Hodor. Just in front of your eyes and yet so far far away from them …

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    250. So Wylls had a seizure when he was a kid and that’s how Hodor came to be or was this present situation effecting the past?

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    251. Nick Hartley:
      If the hold the door thing is true it’s terribly cheesy. Maybe i’m a bad person but I said out loud that’s silly. Too much back to the future for me, even after D&D explained it I still find it hard to believe thats how it will happen in WOW.

      Also Summer too?

      Nick Hartley does not sow!

      Some people are going to be very disappointed when TWOW comes out. This scene may or may not be better in the books, but there will be disappointment at some point anyway.

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    252. I’ve gushed over the episode in the other post and I’m tired now lol. I’ll just say Meera is amazing! And she got a WW kill! I’m still upset over the direwolves.

      The Inside the Episode clip is out and it makes me worry even more about the Jon-Sansa relationship.

      The preview for next episode looks really underwhelming though. The only saving grace is Queen Meera and Bran. I hope Team Jon makes an appearance.

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    253. My mind is blown!
      I have enjoyed this season, even with a few things that made me go “meh” (mostly Dany stuff) but tonight it was insane.

      I have always enjoyed the stories outside the regularly scheduled political intrigue in KL and North. Bran and Arya have had some quieter moments that have slowly built momentum and it’s becoming clear(er) that they are circling back into the fold.
      That ending just slayed the whole thing. Perhaps my favorite ending of an episode yet or at least top 3 with “Hardhome” and “Two Swords”.
      I have never yelled and wailed at the screen more. Not during the Red Wedding, not during Sansa’s wedding night, not during Ned’s execution. This was just fucking insane.
      I am so sad but still, so fucking stunned at how it was all spun. Wow.
      Finding out more about the CotF just freaked me the hell out.

      Loved the Sansa/Littlefinger moment. Aiden and Sophie were great. I actually believed LF that he didn’t know about Ramsay because Aiden is that good. Nice moment between Jon/Sansa at the end but curious as to why she wouldn’t tell him the truth about the Blackfish and Riverrun. She is smart to not blindly trust, though we know Jon is trustworthy but it’s been a hard lesson learned for her. I understand her fear in general.

      Really felt for Dany and Jorah. I am glad he told her about the greyscale and her response humanizes her. I still think she is slipping into madness, too much joy in burning people alive (live Daddy) but that moment was really well done.
      Conlieth Hill is amazing. The scene with the new Priestess (Kivar?), Varys and Tyrion was fantastic.

      Still all about Tormund the creeper and freaked out Brienne. Ha.

      Arya watching the play was another tough one because she knows how wrong they have it. Then spying on the actors. Her realizing the target isn’t a bad person, she isn’t Cersei, brought her back for a moment from No One to the girl who actually saw good in people. The girl who didn’t blindly follow what others wanted. Book Arya, and show Arya to an extent, was shown to care about people no matter their station. She was intrigued by those considered different. She didn’t care if they were noble or peasant. I am so excited to see where this will lead.

      And down another Direwolf? What the hell?

      Yara is boss taking the whole fleet.

      And I continue to think Davos is the unsung hero of this whole story. Which means he will die.

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    254. Jack Bauer 24: Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?

      Nobody, at least insofar as we ever will know. Even if they put a name on the person, then what does that tell us?

      Jack Bauer 24:And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

      Timey-Wimey. After all, how did Valen help defeat the Shadows if Sinclair was from the future? Time-transcendence works only if there are 5 dimensions, and if there are 5 dimensions, then there are infinite time streams, within each of which a different history unfolds. Perhaps in the first iteration, Wyllis the Sane Stableboy helps Bran escape: only to be rendered demented while holding the door.

      Crap, that was tragic….

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    255. I watched inside the episode, and D&D said that GRR Martin told them thats how Hodor became Hodor, the exact same way as shown this episode.

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    256. Daniellica,

      Why do you assume this was their decision and not something GRRM told them?

      Working with animals is very time consuming and hard to coordinate, plus the CGI budget. Did Summer leaping into a horde of white walkers serve as a necessary plot point? I don’t think so, I think it was just convenient to put more shock and tears into the scene as well as tidy up their shooting schedule for next year while simultaneously allowing more CGI budget to be put into Dany’s dragons.

      I doubt that the books will kill off Summer like that, if they did, I wouldn’t be to happy with it either but IMO this seems more like a business decision then anything else.

      But, other then that, I really liked the episode. There wasn’t one bad scene in this one at all. Every storyline was on point.

      This season overall, so far, has actually been my favorite.

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    257. I don’t think the direwolf deaths are a budget/convenience issue. I think their destiny, like Hodor is to die for the Starks. I’m not sure that their deaths in the show will be exactly the same as their deaths in the books, but I don’t think any of them will live till the end. It sucks because animal deaths in fiction always hurt me more than human deaths.

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    258. Also, did anyone else notice the Night King smirking when he was walking toward the cave entrance?! HE WAS SMIRKING!!

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    259. Wimsey,

      Oh, I wasn’t imply anybody ripped off Rowling. I was just making a light joke, because I love both stories, and honestly that line was the first thing that popped into my head.

      Time paradox is one of my favorite sci fi/fantasy tropes, and it also creeps me out really badly. It is like loving horror stories and being prone to nightmares after.

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    260. HEROdor

      That was really hard to watch, I’m actually glad I had some forewarning to get the kleenex handy.
      Bravo to Kristian Nairn, we will miss you.

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    261. Ice spider: So Obsidian created them and kills them at the same time?

      So it seems. Or at least it undoes the Night King’s followers: who knows if it works on the Night’s King himself? It makes a sort of sense: enchanted obsidian made them, unenchanted obsidian kills them.

      (Of course, as obsidian is just glass, broken windows should do the trick.)

      On the topic of Night things, I have a horrible feeling that this is the last we will see of Edd alive….

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    262. Ginevra: Because Bran was VPNed (like remotely tapping the network) into Young Hodor’s timeline while simultaneously warging into Old Hodor, the two lives seemed to cross currents and unite as a single mind, which totally blew Young Hodor’s mind.Note that Young Hodor heard Meera yelling in Old Hodor’s timeline even though Bran didn’t say anything.

      The Hodor we’ve always known definitely seems happy, all in all, so I don’t believe he’s constantly reliving that one horrible moment over and over.

      Thanks for clarifying… that was kinda what I was saying…but you obviously were much more succinct than I was…

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    263. Joh: Oh, I wasn’t imply anybody ripped off Rowling. I was just making a light joke, because I love both stories, and honestly it was the first thing that popped into my head.

      Oh, I know! I was just taking advantage of your line to poke fun of His Glacialness’ writing pace.

      And, let’s face it: Doctor Who did this stuff before either of them. And Doctor Who did not invent it!

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    264. Direwolf Lvr,

      Bloody hell… they could have cut the Direwolves entirely! And yes, yes they very well could of, think about it. I bet if they knew how hard they would have to work to pull it off as well as they have, they would have. Thank goodness they had no clue when they started…

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    265. George, oh.. George. .. whyyyyyy????? Just can’t breathe well enough to comment. .. other than. .. those of us watching at my house are recalling why we stayed watching in the first place, one never knew what was next. Blindside. Bam.

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    266. Yes a fantastic episode. Though I missed the first few minutes and came in when Sansa was opening the scroll. The Hodor scenes were so sad, and the gift of the cloak touching. The kings moot was however a little flat for me. The Dragon horn gave the Moot reason to go with Euron in the books here I felt the iron islanders were just fickle. I think Euron will be good however and can’t wait to see how this plays out. Maybe a certain red priest will grow Theon’s penis back – wouldn’t that be a laugh.

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    267. The question I haven’t seen any1 ask yet is will we ever know what’s in the tower now that the Weirwood tree is destroyed… Unless bran learns to tap into some other trees roots and go back but I can’t see him having the time to do that while trying to get back to the wall

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    268. Jack Bauer 24,

      If they cut out that awful bit where she says something about “seeing the sea” I think that scene would be fine. All in all, they’ve just repeated the dynamic between them over and over about her not knowing things. It’s gotten a little tiring starting in season 5. Now I’m interested in the story line though as Sam moves to the Citadel and she moves to Hornhill.

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    269. Direwolf Lvr,

      So far all the dire wolves’ deaths have been within a certain narrative framework. I do not see a reason to complain. I do not see why the show runners have to show Ghost when Jon is in a scene. In any case Ghost is still with Jon and we know that Nymeria’s pack is coming too. As long as the story advances without problems I do not see why the dire wolves should have had more scenes than they had. I admit though that there should have been a scene between Jon and Ghost after resurrection.

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    270. Wimsey: So it seems.Or at least it undoes the Night King’s followers: who knows if it works on the Night’s King himself?It makes a sort of sense: enchanted obsidian made them, unenchanted obsidian kills them.

      (Of course, as obsidian is just glass, broken windows should do the trick.)

      On the topic of Night things, I have a horrible feeling that this is the last we will see of Edd alive….

      Wasn’t that sort of like Superman’s story? I mean wasn’t Kryptonite his achilles heel? The planet he was from was what was his weakness? I forget .. not much of a Superman fan. Im sure someone will correct me if Im wrong. PLEASE do…. 😉

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    271. Sansa is really being hypocritical, petty and selfish. And D+D confirmed she doesn’t trust Jon but LF still has a hold over her. She’s so dumb.

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    272. Wimsey: Nobody, at least insofar as we ever will know.Even if they put a name on the person, then what does that tell us?

      Timey-Wimey.After all, how did Valen help defeat the Shadows if Sinclair was from the future?Time-transcendence works only if there are 5 dimensions, and if there are 5 dimensions, then there are infinite time streams, within each of which a different history unfolds.Perhaps in the first iteration, Wyllis the Sane Stableboy helps Bran escape: only to be rendered demented while holding the door.

      Crap, that was tragic….

      The actor/stuntman, who is now playing the Night King, was the man that Leaf turned into a white walker. And it kind of shows us that, there were many close ups of his face to kind of show us that it is him. The FIRST White Walker ever created…..

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    273. Jack Bauer 24:
      What was that thing the CotF inserted in that guys stomach that turned his eyes blue?

      Dragonglass? It can make them and destroy them? I’m just wildly speculating, as I’m wont to do.

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    274. Direwolf Lvr: Doesn’t make it a nice adaptation to the original story though, IMHO.

      But, so far, the Dire Wolves have not been important to any of the storylines save Bran’s: and Summer’s contribution to was shown. It is possible that Nymmeria or Ghost will become important to Arya’s or Jon’s storylines: but even if that is true, then it is still very possible that they will not make any unique contributions that cannot be made with another plot device.

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    275. Still processing but:
      Not happy about losing another direwolf. A little concerned about Meera and Bran alone and wandering. But if that figure on the horse is Benjen….
      Loved the Kingsmoot. Euron is perfect.
      Never expected to lose Hodor.
      And poor Jorah is off looking for cure.

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    276. So, why the hell did Sansa withhold info to Jon about Littlefinger? It’s not like Jon has any idea who he is, unless Sansa told him. Who thinks Littlefinger is going to try and pit Sansa against Jon?

      Loved the theatre troop. Arya can never be no one. Hopefully we’ll see more plays.

      Kinavra. You had me at Rh’llor. I hope to see more of her…

      Hodor. Poor,poor, Hodor. He held that damn door. And you know what, we didn’t see him die. Just sayin’.

      Great episode. Sad to see the season is half over.

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    277. Wimsey,

      But the big reveal: the Walkers are the Children’s creation turned against them. I gotta admit, I never considered that, and I never saw that idea posted

      Yes – be careful what you wish for. . At least Leaf was able to firebomb them, distract them for a bit. Poor Hodor, and watching the past Wyllis having a seizure based on something happening in the present?future? I am very confused, but happy – and can’t wait for it to be next week!

      Every other scene in the episode was spot on. Loved Sansa being assertive at the meeting, and her making LF very very uncomfortable. And based on how he was acting, I don’t think he knew anything about Ramsey…..

      Arya watching the theatre troupe, watching them make fun of her family. Loved Kingsmoot (considering the Iron story bored me to tears in the books thats saying something)

      Need to rewatch that, several times I think

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    278. Connor: The actor/stuntman, who is now playing the Night King, was the man that Leaf turned into a white walker.

      Oh, sure, we could see that. However: we never will know anything about the sacrifice; even if he has a name ending with “Stark,” that still tells us nothing about him. All that we know is that, well, he was involved with people who were eradicating the Children and destroying the weirwoods. That is not much of a character reference!

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    279. Sphinx:
      I haven’t cried like this since the Red Wedding.

      I didn’t even cry at the Red Wedding. Maybe I have a cold heart but tonight, tonight I fucking balled!
      The whole sequence is fantastic. Meera killing the WW was awesome. And how cool when BR told Bran it’s his turn and just evaporated? Amazing. Brutal and amazing.

      I don’t know who that kid was that played a young Hodor but he just ended that episode in a most epic fashion. Kudos kiddo! Brilliantly done.

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    280. Jack Bauer 24:
      One of my favorite episodes of all time…whoa!

      Two questions…

      Was that guy the CotF stabbed/inserted that thing into the original NK? Who was that?

      And how did he become Hodor if this happened in the present and the flashback was the past?

      It’s all been written. The ink is dry my friend.

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    281. I feel like tonight firmly shut the door on the second act of the story and threw us full speed into the third. Fucking awesome.

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    282. With the CotF and 3ER gone, will we ever learn how simply being north of the wall causes you to rise as a wight after death? Where that power comes from, in other words. It’s inferred that simply dying requires a body burning. But it also emphatically shows the NK raising the dead too. I hope we come to know that, in show or books at least.

      And how the NK was/is able to see and touch a vision of Bran. Even the CotF didn’t seem to have that power. Who were they that hey could create such a creature as a WW? That’s what I would find immen