Game of Thrones pre-production news is thinner on the ground this year, as the show has pushed filming back until September of 2016. But casting has continued, we’ve heard. As reported back in June, GoT began casting for season 7, looking for a pair of Northern young people for a “a high-stakes scene.”
We’ve heard rumblings over the last couple weeks from our sources that the castings have continued but no major roles have been secured or leaked at this point.
More than just two young performers are being cast, we’ve heard there will be several, but the exact parts are still unknown.
As you can see, mentions of the ongoing auditions are beginning to surface on social media with this posting from the Yorkshire Academy of Film and Television Acting, regarding two of their teenage students:
Excited for #YAFTA #actresses #LottieCheverton and #HannahWaring who #audition for Game of Thrones today! Good luck! pic.twitter.com/jhlRyLhKSE
— YAFTA (@YAFTAUK) July 9, 2016
We’ll keep our eyes and ears open, and share details as they come in!
Hodor!
Hold the door
Jaeharys III
EDIT:….Or the second?!?!?!
Could be Manderly’s granddaughters? Can’t think of any other northern girls that would be in the show.
Ghosts Lunch,
third
I concluded the same thing. But at this point, what would be their purpose?
Yeah according to book canon but apparently Maestar Aemons little story with its missing generations may have screwed up the Westerosi Space-Time Continuum
As if the long night and irregular seasonal patterns wasn’t tricky enough…
Could be faces, Arya uses in the Riverlaands when she runs into the BWB, the Hound and Melisandre/Thoros of Myr
yeah yeah your sources .. what’s about your source about Lady Stoneheart will appear and lead an army in season 6? … bla bla
RosanaZugey,
Maybe he thinks Jon needs a wife? lol
This is all so exciting. I really don’t want to look at all the casting and filming so extensively so as to remain clueless when watching but I just can’t help myself.
RosanaZugey,
Marriage proposals for the KINGINDANORF.
RosanaZugey,
If Northern internal politics is going to be the big story there for Season 7, I suppose all the lords wheeling out their eligible maidens as potential brides for the new king would be an obvious development.
Lol that was IrishThrones who posted that. I was the one who denied that rumor from the beginning. You can go back and check.
And if the King in da norf thinks to make some other person the “Lady of Winterfell” then we really will have problems.
Shouldn’t these have filming dates?
Maybe
in the Riverlands?
I guess we’re getting a loose adaptation of Jon’s ADWD arc. Maybe we’ll see some Northern politics, Alys Karstark, Wildling kids, and so on.
The Bachelor: KINGINDANORF Edition
Who will survive the first rose ceremony?
Flayed Potatoes,
Lol, right? Lets hope they don’t cut the losers Westrosi style.
Jack, are you trying to ask for filming dates?
Yeah I’m kind of hoping for something like this.
I pray to all the gods that we get a funny, Tormund marries to secure alliances/get the north to trust the wildlings…bla….bla…..
Such a great opportunity, for a hilarious side plot!
Although these 2 girls do look a bit to young for Tormund……
The best guess right now is that these are potential brides for Jon? Lmao.
RosanaZugey,
HBO viewer’s guide has listed Sansa as the Lady of Winterfell. It looks like that position stays with the Starks and Jon’s position as KitN is distinct from that.
Flayed Potatoes,
Northern boys and girls trying to seduce Jon and Sansa
LOL 🙂
SkeeLoY,
I wan’t off LSH crazy ride…..
Where did you see that? It definitely wasn’t here.
And where does the “King in the North” reside? Consequently, where would his Queen reside? Are they going to build them a new stronghold?
Sue the Fury,
Aren’t these castings for northern children? Or has there been no mention of region/ accents?
RosanaZugey,
Hopefully they give us some answers next season. A king without a castle of his own would be pretty unique.
RosanaZugey,
They can take the Dreadfort. No more Boltons and the Dreadfort now belongs to the Starks. But Jon and Sansa are staying put in Winterfell. They’ll be a ruling couple, the pack survives, the lone wolf dies. I doubt either wants to take on spouses at the moment.
Aren’t these a bit young for Jon?I mean in the books they would be fine but in the show I think they would choose some older girls as prospects that the northern lords would put forward.He is the most eligible bachelor right now so I expect quite the marriage proposals.That would be so funny.That being said I have no idea what these roles could be for lol.
Jon’s not going to marry. No way.
If will get a marriage sub-plot, it will be Tormund.
RosanaZugey,
The show won’t get into it.There is no time plus I doubt Jon is thinking that far ahead.They will stay in Winterfell for now it’s not like Sansa will kick him out they are family.But hypothetically yes he can build a new castle.Isn’t that what the Targeryans did with the Red Keep and King’s Landing?Or he can take Last Hearth or the Dreadfort if Sansa lets him.
Mihnea,
I’m already shipping Tormund and Alys Karstark tbh
I get the feeling that the actress in the bottom is going to be playing Lyanna Stark in another flashback. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of Lyanna in flashbacks, and the actress looks a great deal like the actress cast as Lyanna in the Season Six finale.
ghost of winterfell,
The first two we posted were for northern children, but the subsequent ones we’ve heard rumors about, they didn’t seem to be as specific.
Flayed Potatoes,
Would work, or a Alys ”Umber” (mostly because of the irony of him being Lord of Last Hearth…)
But frankly, I would ship Tormund with anyone….
I sincerely hope you’re right, because if this turns into a situation where Jon thinks (or is influenced into thinking) that he should be ruling Winterfell and get himself a little wife (while ignoring the ACTUAL Stark in Winterfell and rightful heir to Winterfell (absent Bran)), I will shit enough bricks to build Trump’s wall.
Mihnea,
Well yeah obviously he is not going to marry ,especially not to northern girl #5.But they can have a brief scene of him receiving marriage proposals for himself or Sansa not a big deal.Yeah they could do that with Tormund.His heart will break though he only wants Brienne lol
Hopefully, a young Cersei, and a young Catelyn, so we can get the tourney of the false spring and the knight of the laughing tree.
RosanaZugey,
That would take a while….
There’s no way he gives up on Brienne so soon! I refuse to accept it 🙂 .
Was just rewatching the pilot episode again last night, and noted Tyrion’s first scene (with Roz & Jaime) has him saying “Close the door!” I think it gets said a few more times too in the next two episodes. It means nothing. But now I can’t stop noticing it.
Clodor!!!
Jenny,
I agree we could get a scene like that and Jon then offers Tormund.
We could get some little scenes of Lords offering their daughters or something similar.
What I am certain is that he will not marry them.
Jenny,
I agree that if he was actually going to get married, they’d cast the role with an actress in her twenties. But if it’s just meant to make Jon awkward, etc. then actual teens would work.
If, as a lot of people suggest, this is all heading toward a Jon/Dany marriage alliance, then introducing the idea of him getting married would make sense.
Mihnea,
Sam’s mom mentioned that Greatjon taught his daughters how to hunt this season. So Smalljon should have some sisters for our boy to marry. 😛
It would be cool to watch Sansa do some social work like Margeary and have a group of girl friends. I wouldn’t let my sister be alone with that creepy Littlefinger around, so having some friends to accompany her is a good idea. I’m sure Northern lords will want to marry their daughters to Jon and it’s also a good idea to send them to accompany the King’s sister. It could be extremely funny.
Also, I want to watch more of the other northern houses. It has sense to invite some to Winterfell while they strength the castles and prepare the Wall.
ghost of winterfell,
Tormund will always love her, but he will do his duty, even if it will break his hearth.
Will you build this wall and make Jon pay for it?
Flayed Potatoes,
OMG! Forgot they mentioned that!!
A fierce giant huntress for our boy Tormund!! Make it happen D&D!!!
Why would they not use either of the actresses they’ve already cast? If there’s going to be more Lyanna flashbacks, they would most logically be about her interactions with Rhaegar, which would involve Aisling Franciosi.
Flayed Potatoes,
LOL!!!
Possibly the Heddles?
I think Sansa could be more jealous of Jon if there are potential brides around, trying to marry a King … We know she always wanted to marry a prince charming. I’m sure Sansa would hate the suitors.
I don’t know. If we’re going by an enraged = output equation, I doubt it would take that long. ?
RosanaZugey,
I’m impressed, a bit scared, but impressed.
Thats right tell him what you did …
If your editorial job tells ye to burn fan hopes than your work is eeevil.
I loved that little rumor like she was my own and ye killed er with denial.
p.s.
see what ive done … 🙂
Not that they wouldn’t try, but it seems odd that in their current climate (no pun intended) Jon would entertain the idea of marriage unless it is absolutely necessary. That would seem to require a gal from a House outside of the North in an attempt at an alliance. Excluding thoughts of Daenerys for the time being, which regions are ruled by a House that makes sense? The Vale and Riverlands always made sense geographically, but not so much currently. Anything South of that is either Lannister, kind of unruled (The Stormlands) and probably backing their ruling Houses siding with Daenerys.
Sean C.,
Yeah that was what I was thinking a funny awkward scene would work and put more fuel to the marriage speculations.
I doubt it will be the Riverlands kids, they really serve no purpose, besides a possible
If Brienne will interact with anyone, it will Thoros/Beric/Hound, Mel or even Arya.
I think you all are missing the “high stakes scene” part of the description. These people aren’t being cast for some one off joke. The last person they put that description (“high stakes scene”) for was Lyanna Mormont. These aren’t some people who are going to appear to make ‘point’ about whatever. They’re playing a role.
The Red Keep?
Sean C.,
I agree that it would be the same girl. There weren’t that many years between the tourney and the ToJ, so they could easily look the same.
Jack Bauer 24,
I’d love some filming dates. It’d be great to plan a trip to Belfast in the heat of filming, hoping to accidentally run into a cast member. ANY cast member. lol
RosanaZugey,
Wait, are these 2 girls auditioning for those roles we saw couple of weeks ago?
good catch!
Mihnea,
Could be. They are Yorkshire girls, their accent fits the North, if I am not mistaken.
Or maybe just maybe Jun Snuh is only a man of flesh and blood and wants to get laid.
He is not jesus ….
Jon & Danny may marry in both show & books, actually. Before one of them or both of them die, that is.
Show Tormund will not be interested in anyone who’s not Brienne.
Both these girls who are auditioning are WAY too young for both show Jon and show Tormund, so I rather doubt that all the speculation so far has any basis on anything rather than idle wishful thinking…
Jon,
If you do agree to marry someone.. marry her right then and there. I don’t want Ygritte’s twin sister to come walking in from the North and catch your eye after you made a vow. Been there, done that, ruined the t-shirt.
Yes.
George,
As I said, the speculation of many is not that they’d actually get married, merely that it would be raised.
George,
Doesn’t have to be these girls…….. I did admit they are to young.
Just let me dream!! 🙁
But I have to disagree on the Tormund thing, as much as we made it seam like some sweet romance and that Tormunds thought were all pure….etc.
It was simple lust. He liked her, he wanted her.
If Jon insists or tells him this is for the grater good, I have little doubts he’ll do it.
I do think Jon will get marriage proposals in season 7. A single King in need of heirs. I doubt he will marry any of the proposals though. Big fat no to Jon/Dany from me. Zero desire to read it in the books and zero desire to see it in the adaptation. In particular because how obvious they made it in episode 10. Dany dumps Daarios because she says she needs to marry someone in Westeros and in the same exact episode same aged, single Jon Snow becomes a wifeless king. What a coincidence. A rather disappointing outcome.
Not sure why some people are skeptical of the plausibility of Jon entertaining suitors for a marriage. It’s normal for that to be one of the first issues that confront an unmarried monarch. He’ll have people around him telling him he needs heirs and alliances immediately.
I think it would be rather interesting if Jon agreed to marry a northern noblewoman, but had to break off the agreement when Dany makes him an offer, or something of that sort. Another nice parallel with Robb.
orange,
Let’s be honest, even in the books you get the sense that Dany and Jon is a strong possibility. The strong parallelism between the characters throughout the series is there for a reason. Your mind is suppose to associate them. GRRM tells you Targs are into incest and then pretty much tells you that Jon is half Targ. She sees a blue flower growing in a wall of ice and it smells sweet to her. She dreams of a man whose face she can’t quite see and associates him with ice. Your mind is suppose to connect these visions/dreams with Jon. So Jon and Dany have always been an option. It is the how it comes to be, if it comes to be, that people should judge. And people should definitely prepare for the possibility. I don’t think it will be a love affair but rather an affair of needs and duty.
RosanaZugey,
The Dreadfort is available…
Thanks for blocking that post with spoiler tags. Sometimes I forget. *red face*
RosanaZugey,
Sansa would be the next Cersei.
If what happens?
Actually the two girls in the photo REALLY looks like younger versions of Cersei Lannister and Catelyn Stark….
hmmm wondering….
RosanaZugey,
Well we don’t know if these girls are auditioning for the same scene as the first casting call.And I don’t think we had a casting call for Lyanna Mormont did we?It was quite a surprise when Liam said in an interview that she would be appearing.
RosanaZugey,
Was thinking of the prophecy. Some woman marrying Jon and potentially bearing an heir, leaving Sansa with lessened importance, would be kinda similar to Margaery marrying Tommen.
I agree. In the books Dany already meet someone very “Jon Snow” like … prince Quentyn Martell.
We all know how that went and what Selmy tought of it:
She wants fire, and Dorne sent her mud. You could make a poultice out of mud to cool a fever. You could plant seeds in mud and grow a crop to feed your children. Mud would nourish you, where fire would only consume you, but fools and children and young girls would choose fire every time
Jon Snow is not a ladies man. He is not charming or wild hell even Alys Karstark mentioned that to him.
And what do we know about Dany? She likes big, wild barbarian guys Drogo and Darrio (books Daario …)
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I agree with your thoughts. What’s interesting to me is how Jon Snow has not been built as a character that would seem to be what Dany is looking for in a partner. Yet, Jon Snow does seem to be built for what Sansa is looking for in one. I don’t personally believe in the Jon/Sansa theories though, at least yet, but I do find all that interesting.
Danny,
That’s what Daeny will see or do but in those vision no word on Jon. It would be funny since everyone is bowing down to her. If one guy reject her but they’ll probably make it love affair on the show. They might even deliver happy ending with them on iron throne. But George that’s not his style. We might see two different endings with them. Jon is not really a guy into incest or is he? But it might be for duty and political marriage.
I believe there was a casting call for Lyanna (though she wasn’t named). They were looking for a child actress for a “high stakes scene” with main cast (if I recall the description correctly. I suppose I could just stop being lazy and search the archives, but I’m at work and not supposed to be on my phone. ? So, searching is not going to happen right now.)
Well, that might be a bit uncomfortable, seeing that it looked like smalljon umber got a Tormund throat-ectomy during the battle. And if there were daughters, they spent around 3 years with Rickon before that rat Smalljon turned him over to Ramsay for target practice. Wouldn’t they feel strange, trying to entice to marriage the man whose brother was betrayed so flagrantly by their family?
Geralt of Rivia,
D&D already said they’ll have the same ending as GRRM and key plot points, but they’ll get there differently. If they’re going to do Dany/Jon as a couple (political or not), then GRRM is going to reach the same plot point in the future. I think fans need to accept that they don’t know George as well as they think they do.
Thronetender,
We’re joking around.
Oh. I see. I think that prophesy is strictly a Cersei prophesy, but I understand what you’re getting at. I’m honestly at the point of thinking that Sansa either become queen (of all of Westeros), or she dies. But I’ll have to get into that in a second. Gotta work. Blah! Nobody’s here for that!! ?
But I think if he decided to marry, he would want children. He’s already thought about having children, in a round-about way: I think it was when he and Sam were discussing if either of them had ever made love to a woman. Sam assumed that Jon had. Jon answered that he wouldn’t want to make a bastard to live an outcast life. So, he’s already mentally projected his life at least as far as the possibility that he someday might make children. As he gets older, his thoughts will turn that way again, and I really think he’d prefer someone who can have children. He wouldn’t be enticed to make a political marriage, then if he wants kids, have them on the side. Kids “on the side” are bastards, and he won’t do that. This is a long way to say that I don’t think he and Dany will be marrying.
Gecc1,
That’s the first thought that came to my mind.
I love the speculating. I’d love it if these girls were Tormund’s daughters that he mentioned in “Hardhome”. I would love to meet them!
I think it would hilarious if we get a scene of Jon squirming uncomfortably as a Northern lord parades his daughters in front of him. Jon has no buffer the way Robb had with Cat, he’d have to deal with this himself and I can only imagine the levels of awkwardness. You’ve entered the political arena, Jon, you can’t only think of White Walkers.
Mihnea,
No! Brienne’s the bear fighter that was promised! XD
Oh, couldn’t tell. I guess I’m still mad about Rickon and Osha. I really thought they would bring Rickon back to be … well, the male version of what they showed little Lyanna Mormont to be … a tough, savvy little kid who would put the adults in their places. When he took that arrow through the back, giving that tiny little groan without saying another word, it tore at me. So any hint of honoring the Umbers in any way grated on me. carry on
LOL, yup, or that. Ha!
RosanaZugey,
Well I looked at the casting compendium in the forums and couldn’t find anything
I really feel in the dark about who could be casted that is significant this late in the game, especially child roles. It will probably just be very small bit parts or show-created roles.
I’m mainly looking out for someone fitting Howland Reed or Rhaegar’s description, if the latter happens and WOTW posts it I wouldn’t be able to contain my excitement. It would absolutely make the season for me, I was really hyped for R+L but that Targaryen sized elephant in the room needs addressing clearly and explicitly and I hope they go all out.
Its for te BIRDS!
Sue the Fury,
Me too!! Also as soon as I saw this post I thought “Maybe he’s stopped rowing!” lol
Jenny,
What makes me doubt about Jon and Danny is that there are only two seasons left, 13 hours that would consider several plots as usual … and they are not close to get together to develop a believable romance … And I believe there will be one before the show ends. So, option 1. The romance isn’t between them … or option 2. Jon and Danny will meet next season sooner than expected. Jon and Ygritte relationship was develop among three seasons … Robb and Talissa in two seasons … They meet, they fall in love, one or both die during the great war …
Mag,
It doesn’t have to be a romance. Jon/Dany, if it happens, would likely start as a dynastic thing. Dany has already said she’d be open to a political match to consolidate control over the realm, and Jon is just about the only eligible bachelor from amongst the main cast who would fulfill such a function.
JCDavis,
I am on board for that being that! But
See now that’s interesting- What if the Neck is full of children? They’re so private, we have no idea. We’ve really only seen Meera and Jojen.
So I’m either hoping for Riverland Inn orphans fed by Hot Pie…or a bunch of mini greenseers finally getting Howland out of the marsh and into the show.
ie Rhaegar–me too. I’m not sure if they’ll address it again, but I really hope they do. I screamed for joy-but a lot of people apparently didn’t understand what they were watching.
Flayed Potatoes,
Well we know it won’t be a Tyrell….
Too soon? 😉
Sure Jon is not a ladies man but all of the women he meets likes him and flirts with him. I dont think Jon is really a Queutyn Martell. Alys Karstark tells him that he was very different from Robb, more closed off and less open, but she liked him more then Robb.
We see Alys Karstark and Val flirting around with Jon, even Shireen blushes in his presence. Women do tend to like him.
Not that I am saying that Dany will like him. Dany has her own type. Jon also has his own type, I dont think they really fit each other’s type perfectly, but if there is some type of marriage it would be political first and foremost.
I really hope they actually show some of Northern politics, or at least how Jon handles the Northern politics like in ADWD.
Gecc1,
The only sensible answer I’ve seen, yeah I think so too.
Guys they’re not involving some secondary characters from the books.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
He’s no Drogo but he’s not mud/Quentyn either. Jon is a warrior. She’s drawn to warriors. Also you can’t help but see the strong parallel in their stories throughout the series. The aid of a Mormont who sees something special in them/the love affair with a wildling/the presence of a legendary familiar via direwolf and dragon/The fight for a cause: wildling integration=human survival and abolishing slavery/ Helpful advice from Tyrion/Red Priestess approval/Leaders of men etc.
That being said yeah she has 3 times his confidence and sexual experience on the show/though we haven’t seen them interact (or her react to the character everyone calls too pretty for a man), and it would more likely be political or situational alliance–ie mutual enemies, war for the dawn.
Mag,
Well with the pace they are going Dany and Jon could absolutely meet late next season.But one point in their favour is that by season 8 there won’t be that many plotlines left just the war for the dawn really.Obviously the focus will be on the other main characters too but it’s easier than a season 2 situation where there wasn’t much time for anything.They can still develop whatever relationship the writers will want.
Mihnea,
Too old
My guess is these two girls are auditioning for the same part as the northern girl in the ‘high stakes scene’. Maybe the girl is now the head of house Umber or Karstark. Or maybe a flashback. Who knows. But even though this character may have a role in an important scene, I doubt it will be a recurring part. D&D have said they are at the point where they will go forward pretty much with the pieces they have on the board, so the time for adding important characters is probably past.
As for Jon & Dany, I expect it is Tyrion who will try and make the marriage alliance between them. He knows Jon so once he hears of Jon now being KITN I think he will try to negotiate an alliance between them against Cersei and Euron. Remember that it was Tyrion who told her to leave Daario behind specifically so he could use her as marriage bait without her lover hanging around and causing complications.
It is my theory that this is how Jon finds out about his true parentage. Bran will hear about the possible marriage alliance and know he must tell Jon the truth.
I hope we see Tormund get the Dreadfort for his wildlings. They are already loyal to Jon/ Starks for bringing them south. Jon could give them the rules of the land and bring them into the civilized human fold. Though that would piss off a lot of families if they got the Dreadfort im sure
Jenny,
It will be very weird to have a season focus in few characters and a couple of places … I actually wish Cersei makes it till Season 8.
Flayed Potatoes,
word, I almost forgot that greatjon Umber had his daughters mentioned.
Do you think they approved of small jon and his actions ? this should be an interesting development to be honest 🙂
HunterMac87,
Really looking forward to some Northern politics in season six, I’m down for Tormund and the wildlings getting some rewards for all the held they gave jon, loving the marriage proposal ideas, Brienne running into the Hound and brotherhood again ?
Arya on a killing spree ? bran having for visions of the past and future. The white walkers and the Wall coming down, The Mad Queen, and learning fore about Euron in the show, plus only 7 or 8 episodes. Potential to be the best , this season has =^^=
Missing the obvious arent we? They are casting a young Jon and Sansa for their back story most prob Jon’s first kiss, which of course *wink* you can guess who it was lol, missing the forest for the trees. #Jonsa
Giocrypt,
????
are you one of those shippers I keep on hearing about ? 😀
Matthew The Dragon knight,
Yup, its ok the surprise will b very game of throney
Matthew The Dragon knight,
I’m curious if Smalljon has an heir on the show (a young son around Rickon’s age maybe…there was a casting call for a 10 year old boy). Maybe next season we’ll see Jon deal with the Karstark and Umber descendants. I’d like that.
Lady_Vicious1984,
And their banner is a rose too…..very SHAMEful 😛
“Jon Snow is not a ladies man. He is not charming or wild hell even Alys Karstark mentioned that to him.
And what do we know about Dany? She likes big, wild barbarian guys Drogo and Darrio (books Daario …)”
She’s not interested in Q because he’s lame. Physically not impressive (as it is told over and over in the books) and he lacks the manly take charge conviction that Dany enjoys (which Jon has in spades). Jon isnt a ladies’ man bc he’s shy and uncomfortable around women, that doesnt mean a woman like Dany wouldnt’ want him.
Lol, just imagining Jon’s face after their first night together!
Well, now that we have solved the Gendry mystery, will someone care to speculate on Lord Karstark’s whereabouts? Perhaps these are Karstark children getting entangled in the Northern Politics
Mag,
There doesn’t have to be romance. The finale set up an obvious political marriage.
The Children of the Forest will be coming out of the woodwork literally it seems with these casting calls. It is my assumption that they are working with The Others. And I really don’t blame them. Essentially trying to take the world back from men, and I don’t blame them. Tho the show will obviously have to minimalize from the book even more since the limited episodes left. And maybe even sacrificing the splendor of the Lovecraftian wonder that lay behind the story. But I love GRRM’s world he’s created here and understand that GOT is just a glimpse of a glimpse of the stories within it but I really hope that they show how the Grey Waste is connected to the Land of Always Winter. And somehow explore R’hllor and The Great Other and how they oppose each other on a grander scale without bastardizing it by holding our hands with an explanation. As they have with the Night(s) King being the leader of The Others.
I would LOVE a Tormund marriage plot, to align the north with the Wildlings.
But, alas, if these girls are from noble houses they will be parade as potential matches for Jon. It will be all giggles and uncomfortable moments from our sullen hero until…he meets Dany and the collective writing boner of D&D pairs them up. Not that I don’t think D&D would do a good job with it, I haven’t loved everything they have done but their vision is usually delivered well, but I expect it to happen. I don’t know who will live or die, I don’t know who will be the last man standing but I am fairly confident that a Jon/Dany meeting of the minds, and other parts, has been a wet-dream of TPTB since the start. Then again, sometimes I am happily surprised.
#saynotoincest2017
Lord of Coffee,
The Northerners don’t care Jon is a bastard. But, what about the rest of Westeros???? Dorne never have a problem with that. But probably other more traditional and richer houses wouldn’t be happy to have a King that is a bastard. So, maybe Tyrion won’t be so sure about that match. He always talks about having the rich on their side. Tyrion might want Danny to marry a rich family, probably the new heir to Highgarden.
The Starks bent the knee to the Targaryens before because of the dragons. Jon would do it again. Also, Tyrion knows Jon and Sansa and he might try to make peace without any marriage alliance.
Maybe Jon will also want to meet Danny when he hears about the dragons, at least he will send ravens to all Westeros to warn them about the White Walkers.
Flayed Potatoes,
That’s what I thought too when I first read about the “16-year-old Northern girl” and “10-year-old Northern boy”.
The Starks still have to consolidate their power in the North. They’ll obliterate House Bolton for sure. But they might still wish to bring the Umbers and the Karstarks back into the fold now that those that allied them with the Boltons are dead (assuming Harald Karstark died in battle).
Both houses were previously loyal and Jon / the Starks will want their remaining men for the upcoming war. Putting the squeeze on those houses’ young heirs could make for an interesting scene.
However, if they’re casting more children I’m inclined to think that they might be casting for an attack on a village or similar, perhaps by White Walkers.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
I thought of a WW attack as well… or maybe Jon organises an exodus south of the northernmost villages/keeps.
Qyburn aka:Master of Whisperers took all of Varys spies….
Varys needs new Whisperers: Spies
Mag,
I think it will be better that way… more focused!!!
Season 6 had too many stories that were too fast moving…..
I want the pace to slow down some and see more game playing…
Old Nan’s Pie,
It’s not cleanly apparent within the episode itself, but an “Anatomy of the Scene” video for the Battle of the Bastards features a distant shot of someone who appears to be Lord Karstark leading the Boltons’ initial cavalry charge (at 3:08 – it’s the short-haired man who isn’t wearing a helmet, bearing a Karstark banner). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B93k4uhpf7g
By the time Ramsay deploys the shield wall and Lord Umber leads the infantry into the fray, that entire wave of Bolton cavalry has been wiped out, with their bodies and their horses’ bodies contributing to the massive piles across the battlefield (which shows the Starks forces and the wildlings fought well, despite their own limited cavalry). If Karstark was indeed leading that charge, then he’s dead as well.
On reflection, I agree that it’s the slightest bit odd that we never got confirmation on Karstark’s death (before the episode aired, I remember hearing a rumor that Karstark would cross paths with Jon during the battle, and Jon would kill him. Most likely that rumor was bogus, but perhaps it was part of the initial plan for the battle that they ultimately didn’t have time to finish filming – leading to the substitution of Jon nearly suffocating beneath the body pile instead).
Regardless, unless we hear about Lord Karstark having been captured and reluctantly swearing fealty early in Season 7 (and it would be reluctantly – he was the first to support Ramsay, and the most eager), I think it’s safe to assume that he was killed during the Battle of the Bastards. Any surviving members of House Karstark – which may include Alys – will likely bend the knee. The surviving Umbers as well.
A dornish Tyrell,
It has sense to invite some people to stay in the strongest castle in the North.
Mag,
But probably other more traditional and richer houses wouldn’t be happy to have a King that is a bastard. So, maybe Tyrion won’t be so sure about that match. He always talks about having the rich on their side. Tyrion might want Danny to marry a rich family, probably the new heir to Highgarden.
The traditional and richer houses have been eliminated or radically changed just since Tyrion left Westeros. I think Tyrion will quickly realize that and know that Jon is the best option for Dany to ally with and the older Westeros houses are not in any position to object to that.
Dany and Tyrion. Did you notice how they were placed on the stairs when she made him Hand? Almost equal in height. It is known.
Mag,
Indeed! I wonder what’s the situation in Last Hearth, Dreadfort and Karhold. I think there was a mention, during the Tally’s infamous dinner, of Lord Umber teaching his daugther(s) how to hunt (could she be this 16-yo northern girl?)… Since those Houses have been defeated, maybe they are required to host some wildlings and that creates some tension…
Or maybe we get some version of the Alys Karstark/wilding marriage (maybe Tormund?) to consolidate an alliance between the northeners and the wildlings…
I gues we’ll have to wait and see. 🙂
JCDavis,
What freaky kids are those? It’s been a while since I’ve read AFFC/ADWD/
kells,
One way or another … there will be more incest in GOT 2017.
I think that Bran will be having another flashback and the casting call might be for the flashback. Also, I wanted to mention that a lot of these high born families are dying out so they have to continue their line. Political marriages also need to pass on the bloodline. Jon is the only Targaryen who can have kids, (unless he’ s sterile and it wasn’t mentioned. ) Dany is infertile as a result of dark magic, and that story comes from the first book. If Jon doesn’t reproduce, the Targaryen line becomes extinct. The Starks have a slightly better chance since Sansa, Jon and Arya are still alive. Bran is crippled so I don’t know if he can have children. The Tyrells are wiped out except the grandmother, and I think Cersei is done with having children. I think Gendry is the only Baratheon left as well.
Mag,
The Sansa way has significantly lower STD(s) potential though ? #trollsgonnatroll
Going strictly by the looks of these girls, the upper one looks like either Cersei or perhaps Dany (maybe a Red Door flashback?). The one in the lower half really screams Sansa to me. Saying that, though, I’d love to see a flashback to the Tourney (YCersei, YCatelyn) but, again, they may be too young for that. Perhaps Brienne and Arya will hook back up at the Inn with the kids running it. That would be a pivotal scene, right? Or even more flashbacks to CotF? Or perhaps they are casting the younger Sand Snakes. 😉 [exit stage right as rotten tomatoes fly my way]
Anon,
I still believe there is a chance for Jon/Sansa political marriage, despite all the hints for Danny/Jon endgame. If Bran arrives soon to tell the truth to Jon and Sansa, I believe Sansa could want to marry Jon to be Queen and pressure Jon to accept. So, when Jon meets Danny they might fall in love but at the end he will stay with Sansa at Winterfell. Ned loved Ashara Daybe, but he married Catelyn.
Or … Danny could die during the war fulfilling the Nissa Nissa prophecy and Jon could marry Sansa afterwards.
Anyway I want Jon to stay at Winterfell as King in the North and rule as a Stark.I hope Tyrion and Danny are the ones that die not Jon.
Could it be casting a young lady for a marriage with Sweet Robin via LF as a possible way to connect the Vale with the North even further?
If not for northern casting, my immediate thought the one girl looks a little like a young Cersei. Might it be for another flashback to close out the Maggie the frog prophesy or murdering her friend?
Maybe Hot Pie got married? only half joking – but a high-stakes confrontation at the Inn seems a possibility at least. That Inn is at a crossroads, isn’t it, and opposite factions stream through there all the time. Something might come up of that nature.
It kind of pleases me that Old Walder and the two sons will probably be unmourned, and the only reason to remember them at all is delight in their deaths and do internal battle over control of the Twins. Don’t know if these could possibly be Frey girls, with the idea that the multitudes of remaining Freys are fighting each other. There were already plenty of girls trotted out as Frey daughters and granddaughters. One of the ones that auditioned looked a little like RosLin Frey (the surprisingly pretty one that Edmure married) This one could be a younger sister. Don’t remember much of the first three books I read, it was a few years ago, so I can’t offer any good ideas based on the books.
There are plenty of theories out there about how Dany is either fertile or only temporarily infertile.
I also thought that LF would be looking for a mate for Robin, too, with his original idea being to keep an eye on Lyanna Mormont for him. That was until Lyanna proved to be a power-house personality. LF would want someone with Robin who could also be easily manipulated, in the way he manipulates Robin. Lyanna would be the opposite of that. If she were put with Robin, she’d straighten him out and power him up to be the Lord he’s supposed to be, and kick LF out on his scheming ass.
Could be that these girls are auditioning to be daughters of some lord, either of a defeated lord, like Karstark or Umber, or some minor lord. It’s the “high stakes situation” part that’s most interesting to me. Such a thing usually means life or death, or a situation that affects life or death. If Lyanna Mormont was cast from a call listing a high stakes situation, then getting some more characters cast like her is excellent.
RosanaZugey,
a king needs a queen
Old Nan’s Pie,
Finally someone thinking what I was – where the hell is that snake Harald Karstark?
It makes me wonder if there is some twist here. The Karstarks are in fact Starks as well (Karhold Starks).
Anyway, it’s probably just another plot loose end that they didn’t bother to tie off.
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Flayed Potatoes,
Well, if B&W want to tell the same story as GRRM hopes to tell, the aspects of the plot will have to differ. Gills and lungs, after all!
No1AtAll,
Did’t we last see him leading the Karstark cavalry? At any rate, he would not be a loose end: a character has to be a lot more substantial than that to be an “end,” loose or otherwise.
Ashara D,
Who these young ladies look like is not informative: no doubt there are many fery different looking young women auditioning for the same roles.
Wimsey,
I believe so, yes. But we don’t know what happened to him. The Karstarks are an important Northern house and there should have been resolution as to his fate, given that he was apparently in on the murder of Roose Bolton and was present when Ramsay received his ‘gift’, even if we just saw his dead body for a moment after the battle. Maybe we can say it’s a minor loose end?
Anyway, this has been bugging me for some reason and I hope it’s cleared up early next season.
Jon deserves to be King in the North, but none of these daughters of bannermen with poor memory deserves to be queen in the North, when it was Sansa who took initiative to take Winterfell back and Arya who really avenged Red Wedding.
Flayed Potatoes,
If they’re going to deliver Jon and Daeny in love, on the throne with kids around them. Tyrion as a Hand. You can bet George is doing something else. He’s not exactly known for this kind of end. Doesn’t look like bittersweet. In fact it would make a sense because if people know how it will end. Then some people will deem it not worthy to buy it. Of course there will be other things along the way different because in the show you don’t have Aegon, LSH an others. I wonder about it a lot but he may change it like Jon and Daeny could married but someting happens to one of them, and show will let them rule.
aabe,
Questionable.
We’ll see if he deserves to be King because so far he never really convinced me that he should be King. He seems like a warrior, general type of figure. Rather than King.
It would be funny if they really present him with idea of marrying into other House and show some girls. I mean political marriage might be a big thing in next season. Especially with Jon and Daeny being forced to marry to someone else only to end up in political mariage with one another due to WW and their invasion.
Ryan (The Imp that was Prophesied.),
If the Children are currently helping the White Walkers, then why fight them to protect Bran and the 3ER?
Geralt of Rivia,
If Dany and Jon marry and live happy ever after, you can bet that is exactly how it will be in the books.
I am not saying it will happen, but if it does, that is how it will be in the books to.
People put far, far to much thought in that ”bittersweet” comment.
House Adder,
Jon should marry Lyanna Mormont.
RosanaZugey,
Maybe Jon and Sansa will marry. They are cousins not brother and sister, not that it matters in GOT universe.
Geralt of Rivia,
Dany is infertile so a political marriage to her would be a disaster.
These are obviously not book characters
Have you seen this short movie of Emilia Clarke???? It looks like American Horror Story opening credits …
Is that a masseuse’s “happy ending”? Or just happily ever after in the fairytale (G-rated) sense? Seems like the first would be more GoT-like.
Mirri Maz Duur was driven by a desire for revenge and was a pretty spiteful woman. I’ve never really placed much weight on her words. Dany obviously believes what she said. Personally I don’t.
WallyFrench,
Well because those were just some of the CotF. They split into factions. Some went deep underground. But you’re probably right. The shows going to be too condensed for my theory. But I still think the casting are for more CotF. Maybe even just flashbacks.
Jared,
Karstark’s BoB bio implies he’s still alive, http://gameofthrones.com/game-of-thrones/season-6/episode-9/people/206/harald-karstark.
Is it possible that they just didn’t update? Has this been known to happen for named characters?
As a general matter, it makes sense that they would be casting more young people. In a way, the entire story (both books and show) have been about a passing away of the old and the establishment of the new/young.
Now what exact storyline these castings relate to is much more of a guessing game (for me at least). I kind of thought something along the Alys Karstark storyline might be done (it was kind of high stakes in a way). But really I have no idea. I would like to see something done to try to tie the Wildlings to northern houses. (though I would kind of like to see a son or daughter of Tormond involved rather than him – if he has sons and daughters anyway).
In a way I think that many of the houses that now seem “empty” of heirs must have some candidates if you follow the branches back far enough (ie: are there absolutely no Tyrell, Baretheon, Bolton, Martel, etc. cousins somewhere that would fit into succession lines? Maybe some of the young people are some of these.
Oh, and I agree that Lyanna Mormont should be well rewarded for her support of the Starks but I’m not sure a marriage alliance with Jon would be the best way to do that.
Dolorous Methuselah,
Good point. It seems there would be some more Stark cousins around with the Starks having been the ruling family of the North for the past thousand years or however long it is.
Two things about a Dany/Jon marriage:
1) What would Sansa think and do? We’ve had hints that Sansa wants some control, and we know to some extent LF’s whisperings and ambitions will be working on her. She might not even think Jon is capable or should be ruling.
Then Daenerys Targaryen comes along, Mother of Dragons, and proposes to marry Jon Snow, KITN. Whatever you think about either of them, that’s a really formidable alliance – and one Sansa cannot stand against.
Will she actually resent Jon’s power and status? Would she counsel AGAINST marrying Dany? And maybe someone like Davos says he should do it, and there’s conflict there.
2) Also, this show in some ways is not as unpredictable as we all say – the books are more so.
If they go the Dany/Jon route, I doubt it will be the political marriage route only, which would be more interesting. I’m sure they will have them fall in love, if only because I think it would give HBO a major broadcast boner to have Jon/Dany sex scenes.
It is known and lame.
Oleana,
yes, tho they’d need to wait a bit I think….she’s what, 12? Yes I know they married young, but lets just not go there.
Still looking for the Northern children then…
A marriage plotline would definitely make sense considering this is the way Westeros operates. And given the ages of the boy and girl the production is looking for (10 and 16), it could be played for laughs.
However, the roles might be more dramatic.
They could be the heirs of one of the “traitor” houses, either Umbers or Kartstarks. And we know how enemies’ children are traditionally treated. Westeros is a violent world where there is no mercy for a declared enemy’s relatives, regardless of their ages.
We have seen it play out with the Lannister brothers (killed by the Karstarks), Rickon (killed by Bolton) and, of course, Sansa (abused in every single way at King’s Landing).
It would be interesting for the Northern lords to intend to treat the traitors’ kids in the traditional way while the Stark siblings oppose it. It could highlight the mark her previous experiences have left on Sansa through her refusal to reproduce what was done to her as well as demonstrate Jon’s unwillingness to bow to tradition when it contradicts his personal stance. Furthermore, it may somehow serve as a reminder of Rickon and his passing (the boy’s age is in the same ballpark as the youngest Stark’s when he was murdered, by someone who saw him as an enemy due to his surname).
A new Westeros is emerging and the new players refuse to play by the old rules, for better and for worse (the worse is of course Cersei… ^^)
A couple reasons I expect them to be casting younger actors
1. I expect there to be a scene with the new Lord Umber and Lord (Lady? Alys?) Karstark as Jon is stuck figuring out what to do with these two kids who got caught up in politics they never expected to be a part of.
2. We may get the Tourney at Harrenhal, and Knight of the Laughing Tree. Although I’d expect we will see the same Lyanna, Howland, Aerys, and Ned we still need a Rhaegar, a young Robert, an Elia, and possibly Brandon Stark, young Barristan Selmy, young Benjen, Ashara, etc it’s a question of how in depth they want to go. I would fully expect the Knight of the Laughing Tree story as both a proper introduction to Howland Reed when he finally appears and an explanation of the R+L aspect.
Nadia,
I think the Northern lords would oppose the Jon / Daenerys union before Sansa does. Any marriage between the new King in the North and a Queen in her own right, as Daenerys intends to be, would, I assume, involve the North joining whatever territorial and political entity the Mother of Dragons would have control over, thereby losing its independence.
The very same independence the Northern lords revendicated about 5 minutes ago.
ACME,
Why? That’s a pretty myopic way of looking at it?
It’s not the North bending a knee to the South. It’s an alliance between two kingdoms – North and South – with two sovereigns. And one of those rulers happens to have fire-breathing dragons.
So, would the North rather try and stay independent against a hostile South with a Targaryen with dragons and White Walkers in the North, or ally as equal kingdoms in a match between a King and Queen.
I hate the plot, but it doesn’t make sense to me why the North – already decimated by a war with the South – would want to go to war AGAIN with the South, this time with dragons, when the real Long Night is approaching.
Nadia,
I see what you mean but my point was precisely that there is a third option. It is not either marriage or war.
I wholeheartedly agree with you that it would be idiotic for the North to engage in any kind of conflict with Daenerys and her dragons. However, if the point is “simply” an alliance between two sovereign nations, the North on the one hand and Daenery’s kingdom on the other, why would the Mother of Dragons and the King in the North need to marry ? They could simply shake hands or make a deal.
If they marry, their respective lands will very probably have to merge into a single political entity. I am not saying such a fusion would necessarily be to the North’s detriment but it would mean the loss of its independence insofar as it would no longer be an autonomous country.
Just like Castille and Aragon lost their “independent countries” status when Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand II married : they united to become a new, singular state (Spain) with, ultimately, one ruler (Isabella’s and Ferdinand’s grandson).
What the Northern lords would make of such a possible outcome, I am not certain.
Jon and Daenerys can join forces without necessarily joining their fates in holy matrimony, I believe ^^
well dont think so at all, this is the show and Daario for example doesnt look barbarian at all. And it is known that Jon also has a type, red headed girls, so Dany is more likely not his type.
This is my prediction:
1. Littlefinger tells Jon or makes it known who his parents are.
2. Sansa sees Jon differntly for many reasons
3. Littlefinger plays Sansa against Jon
4. Sansa in the last moment betrays Littlefinger and sides with Jon
5. Most of season 7 will be Jon and Sansa dancing around teasing the audience with will they, wont they.
I suspect that everyone is overthinking this. The ‘high-stakes scene’ might just be how our protagonists in the North find out that the Wall has been breached by the WW/Others: by encountering a band of terrified young refugees fleeing southward.
Ginevra,
Yeah, that bio makes sense, since we never actually saw Karstark die. I’m not sure I’d consider it definitive confirmation either way (of course, the “Anatomy of the Scene” I cited video isn’t definitive confirmation of anything either). While the HBO Viewer’s Guide holds true to the canon of the show, it’s not maintained by the writing staff. Whatever HBO employee updates the Viewer’s Guide probably just didn’t want to assume anything either way, since Karstark’s fate wasn’t decisively depicted onscreen. Ultimately, Karstark was a relatively minor character, so leaving his status open isn’t likely to raise questions for anyone but obsessives like us. 😉
The closest parallel to this situation that I can think of is actually Greatjon Umber. The character faded away after Season 1 when Clive Mantle didn’t return to the show. After the Northern campaign ended in Season 3, Bryan Cogman responded to inquiries about the Greatjon’s status on Twitter, and he asserted that the Greatjon had not attended the Red Wedding – he was still fighting elsewhere in the Riverlands. That answer was taken as semi-official canon for several years, until the Umbers were reintroduced in Season 6. At that point, it was confirmed that the Greatjon was deceased, and that Smalljon had assumed his place as Lord of Last Hearth. Whether or not Greatjon was killed fighting in some battle after the Red Wedding, or if Cogman’s statement about his fate was never officially sanctioned by Benioff and Weiss, we’ll probably never know.
My best guess is that we’ll get verbal confirmation of Karstark’s death in Season 7, especially if we see the surviving members of House Karstark bending the knee. Or his fate may go unaddressed. Either way, I personally doubt that we’ll see Paul Rattray reprise his role. We’ve already seen one Northern Lord who supported the Boltons (albeit without committing his troops) repent and swear allegiance to the Starks in Robett Glover. But Harald Karstark’s hatred of the Starks runs deep, and by now the bad blood should be mutual. Even if he survived, I’d say it’d run counter to Jon and Sansa’s interests to pardon him – he’d be far from trustworthy. Keep him locked up, or take his head.
IMO, Lottie looks like a young Lena Heady, and Hanna looks a lot like a younger Sophie Turner who’s character is said to look like her mother (Catelyn Stark)….this leads me to hope for a Bran-provided vision of the events at the tourney at Harrenhal, including an intro to Rhaegar…..
We have to assume he’s alive unless someone says otherwise, since they never showed him die or come close to it. Sort of how we had to assume the Greatjon was alive until they decided that he’d been killed offscreen at some vague point.
Oleana,
I think that if both survive the the Long Night 2.0, this is the pairing that would have the best chance at a “happy” and stable marriage. If you take a look as who they are as people and what their desires and needs are, these two just balance each other out. While we assume (perhaps correctly so) that Jon likes feisty and independent women, what we also know is that he is a protector. He can’t help himself. We also know that he’s tender when he needs to be but that he often lacks “charm.” He gets people to follow him but they do so because they see him in action and not because he’s good at moving people with speeches. Sansa may have grown up and discarded her highborn girlish fantasies but funnily enough whatever she thought a knight in shiny armour should be, no one fits that better than Jon. Not even Brienne. And for all the fearlessness Jon has to project, the dude must need a hug or two from time to time while Sansa, at least in the books, has always had a tendency to do her own protecting and looking out for people (with the exception of sweet Robin because let’s be honest, she’s letting that kid be poisoned). Yes, the knowledge of having being brought up as siblings may be difficult to overcome but they were never as close as Jon and Arya, in time I think they could learn to fall in love with one another. Now if Val ever makes it into the show, that’s a different story.
Danny,
Yes, things are going to be interesting for Jon next season. It’s a pity, that Margeary is gone, but even without her… Lyanna Mormont is already in love with him. It’s still a childish love but if Jon will marry another woman she might feel hurt, especially taking into account that she doesn’t consider herself to be a beauty. Sansa’s love for Jon is very sisterly at the moment, but it may change after she finds that they are cousins and event if that wouldn’t be the case the prospect of Jon marrying someone may make Sansa a bit jealous and insecure again. Whereas Daeny… concerning men she is clearly turning into a cold and abusive hedonist. The way she broke with Daario – feeling nothing, impatient to get through it – was a very bad sign. And Jon will not be thrilled by her “take of your clothes” attitude. On the other hand Daeny is still capable of experiencing deep and sincere love as her relations with Jorah and even Tyrion implies. So, her relations with Jon won’t be dull I guess.
jon is not quantyn martell at all all the women met flirt with him alys was more interested in him than robb,val is obviously attract to him
Ryan,
But the children of the forest weren’t children in Season 6. The actresses needed a lot of time to put on the make up. They won’t do that to a child.
Danny,
I don’t think they will introduce Val in the show. I believe the scenes between Danny and Daario and Danny and Tyrion are a huge hint that Danny is going to have a new love interest and they made Jon a King in the same episode … It must be him. When Daario asked “who are you going to marry???” She replies ” I don’t know” like I now nothing … like Jon. But the fact that they get married at the end of Season 7 and/or fall in love in Season 8 doesn’t mean they will be together forever.
I also prefer a Jon/Sansa marriage, the independence of the North and the survival of the Stark name for the endgame.
Inga,
Lyanna Mormont is already in love with him. It’s still a childish love but if Jon will marry another woman she might feel hurt, especially taking into account that she doesn’t consider herself to be a beauty.
I think it’s leaping to a big conclusion to state as a fact that Lyanna Mormont is in love with Jon. She wasn’t the least bit impressed with him when he first asked for her support and it was Davos who had to persuade her. Actually I think it’s kind of insulting to her to imply that she supported him for KITN because she is a little girl with a crush on dreamy Jon instead of because she is the head of her house and after the battle recognized that Jon was the right person to lead the north in the wars to come.
Danny,
Mag,
Val, what a babe?Never forgiving grrm for sinking that ship
“Game of Thrones pre-production news is thinner on the ground this year, as the show has pushed filming back until September of 2016. ”
September ? Is this really confirmed? Thats almost 2 months delay in shooting.
Seems that would mess with HBO’s 2017 programming.
But then HBO may need that considering that Westworld could flop.
Still no word on number episodes?
Yes, agree he would want someone he could manipulate. I also thought the “high stakes” part could be if he matches Sweet Robin with another large house Umber/Karstark then having control over the Vale and another large area of the north might cause some political struggle with Jon/Sansa ruling the north. I would lean with Karstark since they didn’t show him die, hates the Starks, and would still have resources. I see plenty of LF manipulation next season. I’d love a scene with Lyanna Mormont and LF just to watch the little bear nail LF.
Flayed Potatoes,
Oh man, I want that Alys Karstark plot so bad. Maybe they’ll use it as a way to bring the Karstarks back into the story.
Jon must be one of the only (if not the only) major character in the books on whose looks there has not been a single opinion, as in does he look good, plain, ugly. Every other character has been described one way or another. We can rule out ugly, but otherwise we can’t really say much.
He has been compared to Ned quite a few times and Ned was said to look plain, so a lot of people assume that Jon looks plain as well. This is possible of course. Still, one of the reasons GRRM kept mentioning their similarity was because he did not directly want to say that Jon looked like Lyanna. And Lyanna was described as a wild beauty. Even Arya, who he has been compared to a lot in terms of looks has gone from “horseface” to being described as quite pretty by Lady Smallwood and the kindly man. Considering the genes he is packing, he could very well be on the good looking side. The girls definitely liked to flirt with him. Val, Alys, Shireen who blushes when he tries to talk to her, Ygritte, the only one who called him pretty.
He may be no Jaime Lannister, he isn’t a Quentyn Martell either (looks or personality).
So the S7 speculation thread appears to be dead so Im’a just post here but regarding Jon finding out his true parentage everyone, myself included has assumed that upon finding out he will probably feel much love and thanks for the sacrifices his dad/uncle made but what if he’s bitter instead? What if the world wary new undead Jon sees things differently than the younger one would…like focusing on the negative ramifications of what Ned did, making his lot in life a hard one all so he wouldn’t try to eventually usurp his best friend, the man who killed his real father. Bran’s actor stated he doesn’t have all the particulars and without knowing that Robert wanted Targaryen kids dead Jon would not understand it was done only for his protection.
ghost of winterfell,
Hey what does Jonathon Rhys Meyers look like these days? Maybe too old now but I’m thinking he might have made a good Rhaegar if they’re going to have a flashback.
i agree i mean come on his mother was wild beauty and his father was so handsome that he could turn man into gay lol he must be a looker : ) but seriously jon is character who doesn’t really have a description on his look and i also agree that “he look like ned” is the cover R+L=J he is also said to be looking like arya who look herself like lyanna…
ygritte,
I liked him in the Tudors. He would make a good Rhaegar, imo, isn’t he a bit too old though? I assume they will need an actor in his 20s for any Rhaegar flashback. They will probably end up casting some new guy anyway and all our fan castings won’t come to anything 🙂 .
I hope they give out a casting call for Rhaegar, the discussions here will be interesting.
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah he’s too old now, I haven’t seen him in anything since Tudors even then I think he was in his early 30’s. and I’m guessing they would probably go with an unknown for casting Rhaegar anyways. Do you think they should show him or leave it always a mystery what he looks like?
Lord of Coffee,
Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that Lyanna supported Jon for KITN because she is a little girl with a dreamy crush – she supported Jon, because she decided that he will make a good king, commander, and leader. However, qualities that make Jon a good king, commander, and leader, would make him a good husband as well. At least in the eyes of a girl like Lyanna Mormont who takes her own responsibilities very seriously and who is mature beyond her years. Personally, I can’t see her crushing on some dude just because of good looks. Jon or not Jon, a girl like Lyanna would search for someone similar, IMO.
And as for their first meeting scene, Davos played his role indeed. However, Lyanna made her decision only after Jon gave her that desperate look admitting that he and her uncle they both lost. I got a feeling that realizing that someone really needs her was crucial for Lyanna, because this way she got a chance to experience her own value and strength.
Besides that, this moment was important for Jon, as well. Since his resurrection no-one really cared about how he felt. Davos tried to show some understanding but he was all about “go fail again”, while Sansa even didn’t bother to listen. Basically, Lyanna was the only person who showed Jon a sincere compassion and gave him everything she had without pursuing any agenda of her own. That counts. And afterwards, when Jon practically lost his confidence again after that confrontation with Mel and Davos, Lyanna backed him up once again by acclaiming him her king. So, for Jon she is already something and I really hope that D&D won’t sweep their relations under the rug by sending her to the Bear Island.
ygritte,
Yeah, they should show him. Jon’s Targaryen connection was not very evident in the ToJ scene, this will be explored in S7. I doubt the show only viewers have any idea of the importance of Rhaegar ( I know people who were confusing him with the mad king) and showing him and Lyanna will make the audience more aware and also care about the whole parentage issue.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Lol ..
And yet she chose to marry hizdar..
Why no one brings where quentyn himself says dany was most kind to him..
Did she ever treated him any bad way..no she didn’t ..
The same barristan gives the reason why dany didn’t Marry him
” he came too late ” ..
It has nothing to do with his looks..
And what’s wrong in her wanting a strong men ..she took him to dragons and he was so weak he nearly wet his pants ..
How can he be any strong to lead and control besides dany.
And lastly like every one says Jon is no quentyn
ghost of winterfell,
Its interesting why there is no mention of rhaegar in Jon storyline for five books ..doesn’t need to be related with Jon but just a passing commemt about him..nothing not even once..
But there is one person POV where we keep getting she is not her father but brother..
But funnily enough the brother reference have been all but omitted ..
Here’s hoping at least they do justice in next season regards to her storyline
dragonbringer,
Neither Rhaegar nor Lyanna have been linked with Jon even once, in any of the POV chapters, lol. It was deliberate on GRRM’s part.
As for Dany, I think Rhaegar will come up in her storyline only after she meets Jon and his parentage is revealed. That would be their bonding topic, I guess. I think it’s more likely for her to be compared with Aegon the Conqueror than Rhaegar, on the show.
ghost of winterfell,
Please
should i remind you about
Jon and arya lookd alike where arya looks like lyanna
Why then it will become all about him being rhargars son.not something about dany’s character..
Even argon the conqueror have not been brought up the same way her father had been brought up..
Just pointing out how much show didn’t develop or gave for her storyline..
dragonbringer,
To be fair, there were some Rhaegar references in earlier seasons when Jorah and Barristan were with her. Mostly in S3, S4, and some in S5.
But I would agree that Rhaegar is, at the very least (probably more IMO), as important to Dany’s arc as he is to Jon’s. She even has prophetic dreams where she is Rhaegar, doing what he was not able to do.
I think the show has to show us Rhaegar, he’s essentially the catalyst of the story and he’s connected to our two biggest characters.
Jay Targ,
Am not talking about how many times rhaegar is mentioned in show
Am speaking about the mentions of how much she reminded of Rhaegar ..jorah and barristan keeps telling this ..
Tyrion tells us how dany is strong and a leader when he speaks to YG ..
And take all this and compare with show..nothing of that happened in the show and removed completely..
Infact they made tyrion question her to jorah in the UUU episode.. Which is straight out of fan forum and something that doesn’t happen or spoken in books
ghost of winterfell,
and blue rose at the wall stright connection to lyanna
dragonbringer,
Arya looking similar to Lyanna and Jon, that’s more like an indirect hint to the readers, I wouldn’t call that linking them together. What I meant was that Lyanna was never mentioned by Jon or anybody else in connection to Jon. None of the in-universe characters ever linked them together.
Regarding your second question, comparing Dany to Rhaegar would not add anything to her character in terms of the show only audience at least (who are the real majority here) since they have very little idea about Rhaegar anyway. In fact if any such comparison were made, it would add to Rhaegar’s character since he is the unknown entity here. Maybe they will do this next season as a way to get us more familiar with him, who knows, and also as foreshadowing that she might look kindly upon any son of his, should he turn up?
ghost of winterfell,
Its an indirect link which connects lyanna to jon and huge clue for RLj if you just Take AGOT alone as a book.
If there was more mention of it then show viewers made known about him..you only need to have jorah and barristan speak about rhaegar and how she resembled him than her father..
ygritte,
Everyone knew the Lannisters killed the Targaryen children horribly. Lyanna was certain Robert would kill him and ask Ned to protect him. I think he will be a little angry because he always though his mother didn’t care about him, but she actually died in his childbirth. I expect a very moving scene in the crypts of Winterfell. He must understand Ned even sacrifice his honour to protect him. He should be grateful.
I also think his reaction we’ll depend a lot whether he knows Lyanna went willingly with Rhaegar, otherwise he will think he is the son of a rapist. That would affect him a little.
RosanaZugey,
Am I the only one who thinks that they are casting a 16 yo Lyanna and Howland Reed? I’m not too sure why this is so hard to put together. Yes Howland was technically older than Lyanna by two years, but Crannogmen are typically smaller than the other peoples of the North. So casting a younger boy to play Howlands part makes the most sense.
This is a High Stakes Scene with main characters. Tourney of Harrenhall, all main actors were much younger, so that would explain why all the young characters are being cast… Food for thought.