Pilou Asbæk talks Euron & Trump, Eugene Simon describes “I choose violence” moment and Jerome Flynn doubts Bronn’s loyalty

EuronbetterPilou Asbæk discusses Euron’s resemblance to Donald Trump and addresses some fan criticism. Eugene Simon talks about Lancel’s upcoming clash with The Mountain and Jerome Flynn questions Bronn’s loyalty.

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter, Pilou Asbæk addressed the parallels between the political situation on the Iron Islands and the current American Presidential race that Asbæk himself has pointed out.

“I’m not comparing Greyjoy to Trump, but it’s obvious, it’s very close and it’s a fun thing to do,” he said. “Trump starts out by saying, ‘We need to build walls, we need to do this.’ He’s very bombastic in what he’s saying and his approach to the world. Euron was very bombastic, he was humiliating his niece, he was humiliating his nephew with some rhetoric. He wants to make [Pyke] great again.”

Asbæk addressed some of the fandom’s critiques of the show’s adaptation of Euron Greyjoy. First off: the lack of eye patch.

“That was an artistic choice by the writers that they wanted to create their own pirate, their own Euron Greyjoy. But for me, there’s a reason why you have an eye patch. If you go to the history books, pirates would have an eye patch so that when you go below decks, you’d have a trained eye for darkness and one eye trained for sunlight. But if you read the books, Euron has an eye patch for something else. An eye patch would’ve been fun, but it’s also a little cliche.”

Asbæk also conceded that Euron’s plan to build a thousand ships in enough time to beat Yara and Theon to Meereen is, as others have noted, pretty infeasible.

“I think we need a little bit of movie magic to build a thousand ships,” he said. “The last time I checked, there wasn’t a lot of wood in Pyke, so maybe I need to start importing lumber or wood from the North. Do some sort of deal or arrangement with the White Walkers. I give them slaves for the army and they give me wood in return.”

Lastly, Asbæk assured us that, though Euron is intent on killing his niece and nephew, in real life, he gets along very well with Gemma Whelan and Alfie Allen.

“I remember the first night … I left a note at reception for Alfie saying, ‘Theon, your uncle’s here. He’s waiting at the bar.’ We actually sat at that bar for the next four days when we weren’t shooting, discussing acting, discussing life and discussing Game of Thrones. We became very, very good friends. And now I’m very good friends with both Gemma and Alfie.”

Eugene Simon also interviewed with The Hollywood Reporter to tease the much anticipated “I choose violence” moment between Cersei and Robert Strong and Lancel and the Sparrows.

“The feeling of the scene that’s coming in episode eight is one of a huge fight of power going on between Lancel and Cersei … I think what fans should really keep an eye out for is who did it look like is going to break first: the Faith or the Crown? They will see by the end of that scene that there’s still a lot more work to do.”

The scene took two-and-a-half days to shoot and Simon hinted that the final product is going to be pretty nasty.

“…There was a little bit of stunt work that had to be done and some kind of prosthetic work to properly get across the awfulness that happens in it, which was very fun,” he said.

Finally, Jerome Flynn discussed Bronn’s motivation for serving Jaime. He told The Hollywood Reporter that he’s “going along” with Jaime in the hope that Jaime will make good on his promise to reward him with a prettier wife and a larger castle than he was saddled with in season 5. However, Flynn doubts that Bronn’s loyalty goes any deeper than that.

“As much as [Bronn] may enjoy hanging with Jaime a bit, it’s not because he loves him and wants to serve him,” Flynn says. “I get the feeling that Bronn could find himself in battle and switch if he needed to. If the stakes were right or wrong, he could switch. He is looking after his own back.”

Watch your back, Jaime.

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    1. Really curious to see if Lancel goes down in 6×08.

      To be sure, there are about 293 things I’m more interested in seeing from the remainder of the season, but it’s always fun placing bets on various characters’ lives.

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    2. I was hoping Cersei said, “I choose violins.” Then Lancel and The Mountain would have a fiddle battle.

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    3. Oh, my! Are these articles just messing with us, or are these Ian McShane-level spoilers?

      I get the feeling that Bronn could find himself in battle and switch if he needed to. If the stakes were right or wrong, he could switch. He is looking after his own back.

      The last time I checked, there wasn’t a lot of wood in Pyke, so maybe I need to start importing lumber or wood from the North. Do some sort of deal or arrangement with the White Walkers. I give them slaves for the army and they give me wood in return.

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    4. … who did it look like is going to break first: the Faith or the Crown?

      It looked like the Faith was about to be forcibly broken, truth be told.

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    5. “…There was a little bit of stunt work that had to be done and some kind of prosthetic work to properly get across the awfulness that happens in it, which was very fun,”

      Yeah…you know the mountain is the one that will be dishing out the *awfulness*.

      The hound’s facing stabbing stands out to me as awfulness along with Arya’s eye stabbing…but methinks this is going to be pretty cringe-worthy!

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    6. TFT:
      I still think Tommen is one of the people who goes down in 6×08

      I agree, I think the Mountain will “rage” and kill everyone around Cersei – Tommen included.

      I wonder if Bronn joins with Brienne lol, switches sides. Goes and joins the Starks and is awarded the Boltons castle.

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    7. I think we need a little bit of movie magic to build a thousand ships.

      Yup. A thousand ships would take even Braavos 3 years.
      My guess is that he’s not going to build all those ships.

      Oldtown, here we come.

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    8. Tywin of the Hill,

      Yeah, he won’t build a thousand ships.

      They already said that Yara ”took the fastest ships”, let’s say she took 70-90. They can easly say the remaining Iron fleet numbers around 100-150, even 200 perhaps.

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    9. Tommen isn’t dying this episode. Also, Lancel has hinted in other interviews that his Thrones stint isn’t over yet.

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    10. I want a list of every single character that dies in the last episode!!! Who do you guys think will be going down?! 😉

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    11. Tywin of the Hill,

      Yes, I don’t think he’ll build 1000, because I don’t think he’ll get Dany to Westeros.
      That’s what I think Euron will have, 150-200, well give him 10-30 new ones, at most.
      I think Dany will get her fleet from Volantis and the other free cities.

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    12. Connor,

      Like Kevin Spacey was the villain in Advanced Warfare, which was terrible. Just like any CoD after Modern Warfare 2, actually

      Just waiting for Battlefield 1.

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    13. Quinton O’Connor,

      When we see Cersei and Gregor in the Throne room (from the photos of EP08), there are some marks on Gregor’s armor that matches Lancel’s weapon. I doubt Lancel survives after hitting the Mountain. I say Lancel’s weapon because the other sparrows hold different style of weapons.

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    14. Pilou Asbaek seems very knowledgeable about the books, that’s cool. Also,

      the latest Aeron chapter from TWoW definitely hints at some sort of connection between the White Walkers and Euron, and this connection is somehow linked to his hidden red eye, hence the patch. It appears they may have some hold over him. It’s pretty interesting that Pilou seems to be aware of this detail about the patch being there to cover the red eye despite the fact that it’s from a chapter from an unpublished novel that was read a couple weeks ago. The fact that he also joked about Euron making a deal with the WW is interesting. It may be nothing of course, and I wouldn’t really have expected the show to incorporate this connection to the White Walkers, if it does indeed exist, but who knows. Pilou’s comments start to make me think there may be something similar to this in the show after all.

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    15. and some kind of prosthetic work to properly get across the awfulness that happens in it

      Sounds suspiciously like something that

      wildfire

      might do.

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    16. Lancel is safe (this episode).

      I love Pilou. I’m betting there’s a number of people who didn’t know about the purpose of an eye patch. ?

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    17. Well…. Trump is right, we do need to build walls or do something, about the problem with the illegals coming into our country.

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    18. Ser JJ Watt,

      Mate, let’s leave real world politics out of this. This is a community for discussing a show we all love, please don’t start professing your political ideology here.

      There’s enough daily news about this pathetic excuse for an election, some of us don’t want our Game of Thrones escapism tainted by this depressing political situation.
      Cheers.

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    19. Connor:
      Dee Stark,

      Because Call of Duty sucks. The infinite warfare trailer is the second most disliked video in Youtube history.

      Yeah I don’t think you can use youtube dislikes to judge something. The new Ghostbusters trailer was block down-voted by people who were never going to like the film purely based on its premise (all female leads! *gasp*). Yes there were people who legit just didn’t like it, but there was also an element of groupthink. I wonder if it’s the same for this? Regardless, I don’t visit gaming websites or watch youtube trailers for games, but from what I know, the CoD series is still mega popular. It sells well and it’s fun to play. I don’t have any thoughts on it beyond that, and I suspect it’s the same for a huge number of us casual players. It’s also easy money for Kit and a chance to play a villain, so, *shrug*.

      I love Pilou. He seems to have a great understanding of book Euron and Show Euron, and why some of the changes were made. I’m really enjoying his gleeful performance too!

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    20. He’s not portraying Euron Greyjoy, he’s playing D & D’s generic version of an Iron Born 🙁

      Iron Islands = Dorne 2.0

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    21. Mawk: I agree, I think the Mountain will “rage” and kill everyone around Cersei – Tommen included.

      I wonder if Bronn joins with Brienne lol, switches sides. Goes and joins the Starks and is awarded the Boltons castle.

      I was thinking this myself

      After all it’s worth remembering she initially jumped on the Catelyn Stark bandwagon at Inn of the Crossroads and then jumped on the Tyrion bandwagon

      The Starks – if victorious – have the ready-made Dreadfort to offer

      Similarly if the Tully’s ever overcome the Freys (the numerous Freys) than the Twins with the lucrative toll income is up for grabs.

      Installing someone with Bronns streetsmarts is perhaps the best person to put in at the Twins as he would be able to capably take out and hold it against all those numerous Frey claimants hanging around, unlike the Freys regarding Blackfish etc

      In the books though I think we actually have LS do a Rains of Castamere on the Twins, eg the readers set up to cheer on a revenge arc but the whole thing goes too far where she hangs every man woman and child etc and it’s a good reflection on how some wars descend into horrific cycles of war crimes

      It’s all hypothetical though, Starks and Tully’s are some way from any kind of victory, my point is that unlike the Lannisters in previous seasons, they are diminishing in their influence and ability to offer anything to a sellsword

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    22. Sounds like the Mountain is going to really mess some Sparrows up Oberyn style

      This will be the beginning of the end for them, eg they have the wounded Lion/Lionness cornered after Jaimie and Olenna have been run out of the city and so it lashes out, but ends up burning down the Sept IMO

      My guess is that show Lancel at least is like Selyse, basically over projects religious fanatacism to compensate for feelings of failure in other areas, eg Lancel was more of an Oaf instead of Jaimie-like and Selyse struggled to produce a strong male heir etc

      But at the very end Selyse broke and I expect when the Sparrows around him are slaughtered, showing their human weakness and fear and terror as opposed to godly fearlessness etc I expect the pretense to stop

      Whether Cersei kills him for betraying her, or tells him he’s a Lannister etc and to go back to Kevan is the big question, killing him would get Ser Kevan offside and their family needs to be united more than ever at this point so I reckon she spares him

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    23. Irena: He is confirmed for Episode 10 and signed for next season, so there is no worry about him.

      Pilou is confirmed for Season 7?

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    24. Al Swearengen:
      He’s not portraying Euron Greyjoy, he’s playing D & D’s generic version of an Iron Born

      Iron Islands = Dorne 2.0

      Yeah I’m a little worried, that Aeron chapter was quite something and there’s a creepy otherworldy edge to book Euron

      I actually suspected he was in league with or under the control of HoU Mages but the legless Pree showed otherwise

      That said the eye patch can perhaps come later and maybe the show is exploring a progression from Ironborn Euron towards book Euron which I can understand given visual cues are required in a visual medium

      Interestingly the way they did the Coronation had the hallmarks of being brought back to life Patchface style

      It’s possible they’ll just build a few ships, skillfully raid some Ports on the southern coastline and use merchant fleets to make up the numbers.

      Of course Euron has sent Victarion off with a big fleet, knowing he’s a potential rival while he had Aeron locked up, so I reckon there is or at least some plan down the line to gain more concerted control over those ships (probably involving a slow death via infected hand wound and Dusky Woman), which could be matched by a show version where he rocks up and gain control over many of the ships Yara and Theon ran off with

      Alternatively there’s Aurane Waters new fleet he may be able to take, which the show could have a version of him killing Mr Brown Pants Saladhor Saan and taking his ships instead

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    25. Gravemaster: Pilou is confirmed for Season 7?

      Would imagine so, he seems to have been introduced to replace Ramsay as the main “villain” who in turn replaced Joffrey from the first phase

      And is the main antagonist to Dany during te end-stages now that it seems she has overcome Dothraki and Masters of Slavers Bay etc

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    26. Al Swearengen,

      Thank god. I couldn’t stand Euron in the books, way to over the top, so much that he becomes a joke.

      Also did you save this comment and copy/paste it on every thread about Pilou or Euron.?

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    27. Al Swearengen:
      He’s not portraying Euron Greyjoy, he’s playing D & D’s generic version of an Iron Born

      Iron Islands = Dorne 2.0

      God, I usually try to ignore the trolls but this is too much… I’ve never seen you write a single positive thing about the show and yet you still come to this fansite.

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    28. I really like the idea of Pilou and Alfie hanging out in a bar talking it up for days. Must have been interesting for sure. I wonder what their drinks of choice are? Euron – Sailor Jerry or Captain Morgan, while Theon – Iron Island Ice Tea or Sex on the Beach?

      Lancel saying the scene requires prosthetics will be the Mountain ripping the top portion of his head clean off above the mandible. Should be quite ugly.

      Bronn should be an interesting wildcard. It is assumed he is the one grabbing Pod in the trailer we’ve seen so I wonder can he be persuaded to leave Jamie by Pod or Brienne and sell his sword to the North? Or will he just die sooner than later because I can’t really see how his story plays out in the grand scheme of things.

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    29. Mihnea,

      100% agree. I like show Ramsay and Euron a lot more than their book version. Man this book vs show fight is getting really irritating.

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    30. Lord Parramandas,

      Not only that.

      He wrote the same thing as he did last time, we had a thread about Pilou.
      And I’m not saying in the general way, that he simply stated his disapointment of the story/character, he said the exact same thing…..word by word.

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    31. Rhaenys Stark,

      Same, I simply don’t like over the top characters… Perhaps it’s the actors actually looking human that helps.

      Welcome to the fandom. Just remember that this place is seen as a very sane and show-friendly place.
      Only when you visit the other places do you realize how good this site actually is…

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    32. Rhaenys Stark:
      Mihnea,

      100% agree. I like show Ramsay and Euron a lot more than their book version. Man this book vs show fight is getting really irritating.

      I really don’t like how GRRM went over the top with villains in last two books. What happened to complex villains like Tywin or Roose? Yes, he created Joffrey in the first book but Joffrey was a kid and a fool, so I can understand his behavior. But after his death, he created Ramsay, a monster in human skin. And now when Ramsay’s story is about to end, he created even worse monster named Euron Greyjoy. Even Cerseis behavior is becoming more and more like traditional bad queen from fairytales. What the hell happened to “all characters are grey””?

      Even worse, several people stated that Benioff and Weiss are the ones who transform complex characters into black and white, such as Stannis who according to some people became a complete villain without redeeming qualities after sacrificing his daughter. And Ramsay actually being clever and cunning makes him “Mary Sue villain”. Someone on westeros org (I think Toth) even stated that Selyse being devastated after sacrificing Shireen did not add any shade of grey to her character, but that her behavior was out of character – that she was supposed to be a complete fanatic and enjoy watching her daughter burning….

      I want the villains to be like Benjamin Linus or Charles Widmore from LOST. Or like Philip Blake from The Walking Dead (TV series only). These are the villains who actually have layers.

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    33. Mihnea,

      Yeah once I tried to watch westeros.org’s Linda YouTube videos and couldn’t stand her spiteful nitpicky remarks more than a minute. I just don’t understand why they keep watching the show if they don’t like it anymore. For example I don’t like Breaking Bad but I don’t go to fansites or YouTube videos and trash-talk it. Jesus.

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    34. Rhaenys Stark:
      Mihnea,

      Yeah once I tried to watch westeros.org’s Linda YouTube videos and couldn’t stand her spiteful nitpicky remarks more than a minute. I just don’t understand why they keep watching the show if they don’t like it anymore. For example I don’t like Breaking Bad but I don’t go to fansites or YouTube videos and trash-talk it. Jesus.

      If you want to know…. While Elio stopped watching the show after season 5 (mainly because of the show surpassing the books) Linda insisted on watching and making reviews. According to her, GoT needs a critic with “a firm hand” because all other critics are way too positive and don’t recognize how flawed the show really is. A certain GoT Wikia administrator was delighted to hear that news.

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    35. Lord Parramandas,

      I still find it amusing that I am deemed a troll merely because I am not afraid to speak my mind or willing to go against the grain. And it’s not my fault this season has given me very little to feel positive about, because believe me, I wanted more than anything for their version of Euron to enrapture me, I was all excited for the Kingsmoot but once again D & D let me down. If expressing my disappointment makes me a troll then so be it, at least I am being honest and truthful to myself.

      I did enjoy Lady Mormont in the previous episode though, so there’s that. Tbh I pretty much enjoyed most of Bryan Cogman’s episode, aside from Theon & Yara’s teleportation abilities.

      But what does it matter, I am just a troll after all :rollseyes

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    36. Mihnea,

      Really? You’d much rather have a generic poorly developed character talking about his big cock? Too each is his own I guess.

      I actually really liked the Euron that appeared on the bridge, but after that their version of the character took a massive nose dive for me.

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    37. Al Swearengen,

      There’s a difference between repeating a hateful comment and expressing your opinion in a polite and respectful way. People have become too demanding these days. We should all be grateful of having this amazing show to watch and if we want to criticise it we should do it without arguing with each other like some stupid politicians. Do you remember last year’s comments about Stannis and Shireen? I’m just saying, no matter if you love it or hate it, it’s still a show. There are more important things. We should all try and enjoy it and act like civilised people in the meantime. There’s no need to verbally claw each others’ eyes. I don’t mean to fight with you. Peace.

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    38. Rhaenys Stark,

      Tell that to the people who constantly call me a troll. All I am doing is expressing my disappointment. I mean it’s not like I want to be disappointed, I would love nothing more than to be elated with the show, but unfortunately that has been happening less often since Season 4 begun.

      I genuinely went into this Season with an open mind but D & D make it so difficult for me. I am all for changes, cuts and new ideas as long as it benefits the show. I don’t need things to be 100% faithful, just give me quality TV! I all admit that this Season has been slightly better than the previous one, but that’s really not saying much.

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    39. Is it insane to think Lancel doesn’t die yet? He obviously hit the mountain. Maybe he just pulls off an arm? I probably just want him to live long enough to give Jaime the details on Cersei 🙂
      AlexG,

      By the end of this season?
      Pycelle
      Kevan
      Loras
      Tommen
      Rickon
      Mace
      Marge
      High Sparrow
      Lots of Faith Militant
      Daario
      Waif
      Group of BWB
      Possibly Blackfish
      All the Freys
      Karstark and Umber sons/traitors
      More Wildlings than we can afford
      Please for the love of the old gods beyond counting-Ramsay
      (already lost this season–Roose, Balon, Walda and baby, Osha, Hodor, 3ER, Leaf and company, Alliser and Olly and those other two, the guy Wun Wun smashed, the guy Mountain smashed, Ian McShane and his commune, All the khals, that one bloodrider Daario stabbed, Doran, Trystane and Areo, Arthur Dayne, his buddy and 4 guys Ned came with-in a flashback but still–Summer, most likely Shaggy Dog…I feel like I’m missing some people)

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    40. Al Swearengen:
      Rhaenys Stark,

      Tell that to the people who constantly call me a troll. All I am doing is expressing my disappointment. I mean it’s not like I want to be disappointed, I would love nothing more than to be elated with the show, but unfortunately that has been happening less often since Season 4 begun.

      I genuinely went into this Season with an open mind but D & D make it so difficult for me. I am all for changes, cuts and new ideas as long as it benefits the show. I don’t need things to be 100% faithful, just give me quality TV! I all admit that this Season has been slightly better than the previous one, but that’s really not saying much.

      That’s the ONLY thing you are doing and you are doing it on the only site which is free of book purists and hate-watchers. Like I said before, you haven’t post a SINGLE positive thing on this site. When I write my reviews, I usually focus on the good stuff and try to keep a positive vibe around the negative stuff in order for my review to attract the fans, not repel them. Writing “Dorne 2.0” is just plain hateful.

      You want a quality TV? How is one-eyed clicheed evil-pirate-looking murderous psychopath, kinslayer and rapist with zero motivation, reasons, character development and redeeming qualities a good TV? Hell, how does a character like that even fit into GRRM’S world of grey and complex characters?

      Sorry to say that, but as long as you keep doing that, you will be a troll in my eyes and probably in the eyes of many others…

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    41. Rhaenys Stark:
      Al Swearengen,

      About Euron, he had only 2 scenes so far this season, in one of which he threw his brother off a bridge. He needs more time for character development.

      Not to mention that his book counterpart has absolutely ZERO character development. He does things because he is evil and a monster.

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    42. Lord Parramandas: Like I said before, you haven’t post a SINGLE positive thing on this site. …

      That’s a blatant lie.

      And how exactly is saying “Dorne 2.0” a hateful comment? It’s a phrase that has been thrown about by many fans of the show, even non book readers have used it.

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    43. Al Swearengen:
      Rhaenys Stark,

      Tell that to the people who constantly call me a troll. All I am doing is expressing my disappointment. I mean it’s not like I want to be disappointed, I would love nothing more than to be elated with the show, but unfortunately that has been happening less often since Season 4 begun.

      I genuinely went into this Season with an open mind but D & D make it so difficult for me. I am all for changes, cuts and new ideas as long as it benefits the show. I don’t need things to be 100% faithful, just give me quality TV! I all admit that this Season has been slightly better than the previous one, but that’s really not saying much.

      It is still quality TV compared to a lot of stuff that’s out there. I think the dissapointment for you comes from expecting several storyline to be the same as the book, thus making you a purist.
      Keep in mind that’s theres way too many storylines that works well on the books but on TV you have time and budget againsts it.
      Some People want a long and dragging Kings Moot. People like myself that uses logic and common sense between book and show understands that some things won’t work for TV.
      Want a boring Greyjoy storyline? Okay, be prepare for other story lines to suffer fewer scenes then. Complains like why aren’t they showing this character or that character well guess what?!? The dummies wanted boring Greyjoys with that over the top villain torturing people like we don’t already have enough of those.

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    44. RG,

      Great list! I´m a List Fan,I am! 😉 ps.Marge? not so sure about her…maybe she survives this mess? ps2…no one fights with lists

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    45. King Podrick,

      I’ve found shows like Black Sails, Fargo and Mr Robot to be vastly superior to the later seasons of Game of Thrones. The show is no longer the benchmark for quality TV, it was overtaken years ago and is now merely a cultural phenomenon like The Walking Dead. Which is a pity because it use to be soooo good. I yearn for a return to the glory days of Seasons 1 & 3.

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    46. Lord Parramandas,

      You’re really a hypocritical son of a gun aren’t you ? You accuse Al of being “hateful” because he expressed his opinion and yet all you can do is attack him and call him a troll.
      He has no obligation to write anything positive. He has every right to his opinion, regardless what that opinion is. If he’s disappointed with the show, why should he lie and pretend he isn’t ?

      If you disagree with him, either say so respectfully or ignore him. It’s not that hard.
      I read hundreds of comments here every week that I disagree with completely. But I don’t feel a need to constantly disparage those I disagree with. As much as you’re sick of hearing criticism about the show, I’m sick of hearing hate about the books. But I accept that people have differing opinions and I move on with my life.

      Yet all you can do is act like a child who’s upset that not everybody loves his favorite show as much as he does. All you can do is call him a “troll”. You’re the troll, clearly, since you must know that he hasn’t done anything except express his opinion. Grow up.

      This is not a site purely meant for endlessly praising the show. It’s meant for discussion. It’s meant for sharing opinions. If you want to live in an echo chamber, that’s your problem. Plenty of people have disliked Euron on the show and that’s their right, just like it’s your right to dislike Euron in the books.

      The reason for the growing animosity on this site is simple : people who can’t stand hearing criticism about the show attack, bully, and insult people who voice their disappointment.

      It’s ridiculous.

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    47. Al Swearengen,

      Don’t waste your time with people like King Podrick, Mihnea, or Lord Parramandas. They’re bullies who are too sensitive to take any criticism about the show, so they unload on anyone who doesn’t agree with them.

      And yes, they blatantly lie, as you say.

      Until the moderators on this site decide to actually intervene for once and help restore a friendly environment, we’re stuck fending for ourselves.

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    48. Markus Stark,

      Thank you kind soul. I am sure you probably don’t even agree with most of what I say but at least you have the courtesy to act like an adult and view them as just a differing of opinion. I wish more around here had the decency to act like you.

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    49. Ghosts Lunch,

      I disagree about it being a good choice for Jamie to put Bronn in charge of the siege. The Lannister army while under Tywin’s command was out fighting battles for years while Jamie was in the King’s Guard so they must have some experienced field commanders. Frankly, if I were one of those loyal Lannister soldiers and suddenly had to take orders from Jamie’s buddy the sellsword I’d be pretty steamed.

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    50. All of you should knock it off. You’re adults, act like it. Read the rules of the site if you’ve forgotten them.

      Connor,

      The very fact that Miltos is willing to play should tell you it’s not happening.

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    51. This season is horrible. D&D are proving they can’t run a show without source material to go off of. Too many loose ends to tie up, and now we’re gonna throw time travel into the mix? They ruined TofJ and kingsmoot. I always kind of groaned when I saw an iron islands chapter, just like when I saw a dorne one, but it still should’ve been better. I hate to compare the books to the show, I know the logistics in putting a book to the screen….but things could have still been done better. This doesn’t make me a troll so please none of that nonsense. This is a discussion site, and there’s two sides to every discussion.

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    52. Markus Stark,

      RE Euron’s latest chapter (which I loved),

      who or what, could the strange woman be, with the fire coming out of her hands (who is standing next to Euron when he is sitting on the Iron Throne in that vision / prophecy)? Also, could this be somehow connected to the WWs as well? I never considered the connection. All the more eerie if you consider the theories that, in the books at least, Euron will be responsible for bringing down the Wall with the Horn.

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    53. Markus Stark,

      I’ve never said a word about hating the books. Yes, I dislike the last two but I don’t hate them.

      I’ve respectfully ignored Al many times such as I still ignore a certain GoT Wikia administrator who in my opinion ruined the Wikia (although it got better these days). But a person who comes to this site ONLY to criticise the show is not a true fan from my perspective.

      I remember some of your comments and I know that you often dislike things but unlike Al, your criticism is actually filled with arguments and worth reading and responding. Al’s comments seem like they were taken from a purist site. And “It’s bad because it’s not like the books” is not a valid criticism for me. It’s what defines a book purist (I dont mean you or Al in particular).

      Yes, there were probably some positive comments from Al but since I joined the site (september 2015) his comments were mostly “the show has significantly dropped in quality” and “This was bad… that was bad…” without using “in my opinion” or “from my perspective”.

      My comment about Euron was actually a response to his another comment when he called Euron “poorly developed” and I wanted to point out that his book counterpart is not developed at all. I don’t actually hate Euron in the books. I just don’t think he would translate well to the screen, just like Ramsay.

      Your remark that I constantly bully people is wrong. That was never my intention. The only person I had conflicts with is a certain GoT administrator that I dare not to name and even in that case, it more concerned the Wikia and his abuse of administrator rights. I actually gave him suggestions how to make Wikia a better place and more friendly to non-book readers, I made some edits and at some point, even he realizrd that not accepting other people’ opinions is not right. I had a brief struggle with Chad Brick whom I thought to be just another show hater for the same reason as Al. But I decided to ignore him.

      You know, what really bothered me is what Mihnea pointed out. Al wrote the same provocative comment as before. Its like he wanted to be “attacked” by show fans. Why not “I don’t like Euron because X and Y”? I would post my own arguments and the discussion would begin.

      Like I said, if Al manages to write something positive as well or at least make his criticism more valid, my attitude may completely change. But until then he is a person to ignore – “Let’s just agree to disagree”.

      Now if you excuse, Lord Parramandas has three exams next week and he has to regain his strength in order to be ready for a new review.

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    54. LOL why is this suddenly a book vs show competition?

      I’m so freaking invigorated this season because I don’t know WTF is going to happen. Finally. I was hoping this shit was over with. But, no. People still are going on about how minor villian #3958 from the books isn’t up to their imagination’s standards. OMG. Staaaahp. It won’t matter in the end.

      Asbaek sounds like a lovely fellow. I am curious wat happens next with that arc. Yara and Theon teaming up with Dany does seem just a bit too tidy to be endgame… Not sure if that means Dany/Tyrion reject them, or just that they will ahve to figh tEuron later but… it won’t be taht easy IMO.

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    55. Mihnea,

      That makes sense as 70 or 90 ships to carry the crew, the Dothraki, their horses, supplies, etc. from Meereen to the Dornish coast wouldn’t seem quite sufficient.

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    56. Mihnea,

      This. We already know that she needs 1000 ships (thank you, Daario). Yara doesn’t have that many, and it’s impossible, even on a tv show, for Euron to build that many and get them to Essos in time. So ita she’ll get the Volantene fleet. Yara is conveniently at Volantis, so Dany gets an excellent admiral, too.

      Edit: I think Euron will build some ships and go after Oldtown and the Citadel. Also, I totally approve of lack of eyepatch. That was too stereotypically pirate for words. tbh I thought the same of book Yara (Asha). The show Asha is better, darker, deeper, way way less “pirate girl” than the novel version.

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    57. StannisGotScrewed,
      Is this in any way related to my fight with Al and Markus?

      Write some clear arguments (and please without “It’s not the same as in the books”) with a bit nicer attitude and you may actually get a response from me. I’m especially intruged about the “ruined” Tower of Joy because I can’t say how positively was I surprisef and I couldn’t stop rewatching the scene over and over.

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    58. Al Swearengen:

      Iron Islands = Dorne 2.0

      I too am disappointed with Euron at the Kingsmoot, but the Iron Islands aren’t anywhere close to Dorne level, imo. For one, Theon and Yara are actually interesting characters. I even find Aeron interesting, even though they haven’t name dropped his character name yet. The only character I find mildly interesting in Dorne is Doran, who they’ve killed off. Also, I’ve enjoyed many scenes at the Iron Islands this year, like Balon and Yara, the bridge scene, both of Yara and Theon’s speeches, and Euron’s drowning. I can’t say the same about Dorne.

      That said, Pilou Asbaek seems like a really cool guy who seems interested in the character he is playing. I”m not ready to write his character off yet.

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    59. Btw…

      Why aren’t the northern lords chopping off Jon’s’ head for being a deserter??

      Did they all get the “he died and was resurrected so now hes released of his vows” memo?….

      Im just gonna head-cannon Ed sending letters to every northern house pardoning him, lol

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    60. queenofthrones,

      LOL why is this suddenly a book vs show competition?

      I’m so freaking invigorated this season because I don’t know WTF is going to happen. Finally. I was hoping this shit was over with. But, no. People still are going on about how minor villian #3958 from the books isn’t up to their imagination’s standards. OMG. Staaaahp. It won’t matter in the end.

      Yeah, I thought we were so over that already. Exciting things are happening here, and squabbling over this just gets in the way of enjoying them. Talk about the differences between the two and how the book story is incorporated or modified in the show, but for gods sakes enough with the petty bickering. Lets enjoy the story no matter how is it presented, shall we?

      Pigeon,

      I’m betting there’s a number of people who didn’t know about the purpose of an eye patch.

      I certainly was! Interesting – googling it, looks like it might not be true (Mythbusters was referenced by several people so…..) But its still so much more fun then just covering up a missing eye…

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    61. Al Swearengen,

      Okay I understand where you are coming from. I too enjoy those shows above but personally I think the show has gotten better. Now wether some storylines are better now compared to when the war of the five kings was happening that’s a matter of opinion.
      Many say GRRM best stuff is AGOT, ACOK & ASOS and since then the world had expanded all over the place in which the show is trying to adapt. Man I would love 2 hour episodes so some things wouldn’t feel rushed.
      I apologize if I attacked you, I sometimes just see complains for the sake of complaining.
      I mean scrolling down I just saw some Idio… Excuse me, a very highly expressive individual stating that D&D is ruinning the show because they threw time travel in the mix.

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    62. Ghosts Lunch,

      Interestingly the way they did the Coronation had the hallmarks of being brought back to life Patchface style

      Funny I thought the same thing. I did like that character in the books tho he got old after a while and glad they dropped him in the show. But this was a nice way of fitting him in.

      Markus Stark,

      This.

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    63. HelloThere:
      Btw…

      Why aren’t the northern lords chopping off Jon’s’ head for being a deserter??

      Did they all get the “he died and was resurrected so now hes released of his vows” memo?….

      Im just gonna head-cannon Ed sending letters to every northern house pardoning him, lol

      Let’s see…. From my understanding since the war began the laws of gods and men have been thrown out the window left and right. Whose loyal to their oath anymore?
      Whose loyal to their King?
      Last I checked The Starks were warden of the north before they were betrayed by their own bannerman. Family’s have been torned apart and children have lost their fathers and those that managed to live another day are surviving of what little they have left.
      So tell me, who cares about the Nightswatch oath in the north right now?
      Especially when it comes to the son of Eddard Stark.
      The North Remembers

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    64. ash,

      Exact thatI believe Patchface was in the sea two days and on the third day he returned from being cold and clammy to life (Martin does like those type of comparisions it seems). Oh and the prophecies. I do believe he was a jumbled oracle for some god – drowned perhaps.

      They did an excellant nod to Patchface in maybe the first episode Shireen appeared in I believe. She sings some of his utterences as the credits roll.

      The shadows come to dance my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord. The shadows come to stay my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord.

      May refer to the whitewalkers (referred to as shadows in the prologue) as opposed to Mel’s shadow babies (as they don’t stay) or Mirri Maz Duur (as those shadows didn’t stay either, though they did dance).

      Then there’s the “fool’s blood” /Red Wedding prophecy which was the most exact, and others. Mel thought Patches was dangerous – she kept seeing him surrounded by skulls in her visions. Surprised she hadn’t had him toasted. I’m thinking GWWM has a role for him to have kept him around. Maybe he becomes a sacrifice ….

      Anyway, yes, slightly annoyning, but intriguing.

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    65. Rhaenys Stark:
      Mihnea,

      Yeah once I tried to watch westeros.org’s Linda YouTube videos and couldn’t stand her spiteful nitpicky remarks more than a minute. I just don’t understand why they keep watching the show if they don’t like it anymore. For example I don’t like Breaking Bad but I don’t go to fansites or YouTube videos and trash-talk it. Jesus.

      As it happened I nipped over to Westeros.org for a bit of light entertainment earlier today to see what ‘Lovely Lindaaaa’ had to say about S6E7. Comments such as ‘underwhelming’, such and such a scene could have been made better and continually complaining about how actors can ‘teleport’ from one location to another in zero time! She was also ranting on how B&W have bastardized GRRM’s books saying that no way would George have written it that way. Sounds like she expects the journeys with Jon, Sansa and Davos between the Northern houses to gain support to oust the Boltons from Winterfell needs to be documented also!

      A few comments below her video said it all – this one in particular :

      I don’t know whether your sore throat has affected your mood or your judgement but this week you have jumped the shark. You castigate the producers for disregarding ‘realism’. Somewhat hypocritical don’t you think?
      The bookcase behind you is creaking under the weight of a ton of escapist fantasy. None of it bathed in ‘realism’ I imagine. That seems to be what you enjoy as entertainment. You don’t like realism. Not many of us do – it’s called real life. We all escape it’s evil clutches by reading books, watching film and series like GOT. If we wanted realism we’d watch documentaries.
      The series is fast paced because that is what the modern TV audience demands. HBO is delivering it – in spades. That is why it is a success – nothing to do with the books.
      Yes Davos & Co bounce all around Westeros in the blink of an eye but we all know the show is just showing the highlights of their journey. Would you rather have them spending five episodes depicting their travels? The writers only have 73 episodes to tell the entire story.
      Your writing partner Elio declared at the start of the season that he would not be watching the show. He doesn’t like it. Anybody can respect that. He didn’t decide to ram his distaste for it down our throats for the next ten weeks as you are intent on doing.
      All drama, be it Shakespeare, The Wire or Harry Potter has little to do with realism. ASOIAF probably less so. You have every right to dislike the show – but don’t offer the excuse that it’s it’s lack of ‘realism’.

      I have never read the books, just snippets from some PDF versions I found on the web. Its not surprising GRRM is taking so long to write them? He could have cut out 75% of the minor characters whose parts have little influence in telling the story and it would still be a best seller. That I believe is what the show runners are doing? Cutting out the dross and shite from the novels to make the TV show more manageable and enjoyable to the viewers.

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    66. I haven’t read the comments yet but somehow this:

      “I get the feeling that Bronn could find himself in battle and switch if he needed to. If the stakes were right or wrong, he could switch. He is looking after his own back.”

      makes me think of the quick preview clip we see of Pod being grappled by an unknown that sort of looked like it could be Bronn. Maybe Bronn decides to help Pod out by pulling him to safety for his own reasons? I don’t know. Just a thought.

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    67. Forgot to mention that if GRRM cut out all the crap and the minor characters, he would have completed the ASOIAF book series years ago. The book readers would have been happy and the TV show perhaps more true to GRRM’s ‘source material’.

      I noticed in the WoW PDF version (would guess in the book also) there’s an index of ‘who’s who’ at the back? I haven’t counted the characters, but the list is huge! Seems like George has taken on a monumental task keeping track of that lot and its not surprising his writing has fallen so far behind?

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    68. Aryamad,

      Maybe Bronn decides to help Pod out by pulling him to safety for his own reasons?

      His way of helping Tyrion out by helping him maybe?

      Black Raven,

      Forgot to mention that if GRRM cut out all the crap and the minor characters, he would have completed the ASOIAF book series years ago. The book readers would have been happy and the TV show perhaps more true to GRRM’s ‘source material’.

      I went back to AFFC today to look up some specific sections. Once again he totally pulled me into the story with his writing – Im right in the scene, and then he starts talking about some new characters history and family and its, wtf? Yeah, as much as I loved the books, there was always way too much of that, but no one seemed to be able to edit him. Pity. Im sure there’d be people nitpicking no matter what was edited or condensced, but at least it would have made for a tighter story, and maybe the show wouldnt have moved away from the books because they would hae been finished. Oh well, it is what it is.

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    69. Lord Parramandas,

      Have you reported the individual that physically forced you to read his post to the authorities? That would be quite odd to someone like yourself to just scroll past what he posts. Wait…for…..it……if it bothers you that much, dont read it. Seems simple eh? Or do you need a whaaaaaaaaaaa!burger?

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    70. Lord Allen Conway,

      Read my reply to Markus to see why this comment really bothered me. Not to mention that I usually ignore Al’s comments with “ (desperately trying to ignore this comment) ”

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    71. maria,

      Agreed, I always liked more ”normal” characters.

      Al Swearengen,

      Yes, Euron being a ”normal/generic” Ironborn is exactly what I liked.
      The bridge scene showed that he is still completely nuts ”I am the drowned god” and his KM scene showed that he is also in the end, a Ironborn like any other.
      And I loved this.

      I will take this Euron over the

      valyrian armor wearing

      , eye-patch, blue lipped, warlock holding, pedo Jack Sparrow any day.

      But of course, you would insult me for this, never expected anything else from you though.

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    72. Black Raven,

      Exactly this, I disagree with Elio on everything.

      But hell do I respect that he stuck to what he said. He said he will not watch the show and he didn’t watch it. I respect that.

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    73. Mihnea,

      Not to mention that the actor himself hinted that there might be another side of Euron that we haven’t seen yet and thathis behavior at the KM was partialy an act.

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    74. Lord Parramandas,

      Exactly. The Euron on the bridge was completely different and a lot more twisted than the Euron in episode 5. He just told the Ironborn what they wanted to hear. I think Pilou is great and can’t wait to see him again.

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    75. Lord Parramandas,

      Exactly, the ”real” Euron was the one on the bridge. The Euron who thinks himself a god.

      And if people say Euron isn’t ”silly” or acts like this in the books, I would remind them, that he tied a lord to a chair and stuck a turnip in his mouth to silence him, all the while fondling his daughter next to him.

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    76. Connor,

      Eh, why not? It is weird cause I didn’t even know they cast actors for video games. I play the game with my nephews all the time and never noticed a familiar face on there.

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    77. Connor,

      Ok you answered my question sorry should have read down further 🙂 I get the different versions of the games confused but I don’t care for the graphics on the newest version nephews have. It’s the one after “ghosts” I believe. Is it Modern warfare?

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    78. So far this season has been so cool!

      Jon’s return. The story line in the North. Sansa-Jon reunion. Glover and Mormont negotations. Powerful Bran-flashbacks and the first part of ToJ with an even better second half yet to come. Brienne, Theon, Pod, Sansa. Theon’s coming ‘home’. Euron’s bad ass bridge scene. Great King’s Moot scene in terms of a cool visual meshup of Theon and Yara fleeing and Euron being drowned + monologue + great music simultanuously . Epic Hound-come-back. Goose bumps when blackfish and Jaime were talking. Wun-Wun in Winterfell. Hold the door creep and what a death of the Three-Eyed-Raven. Benjen/Coldhands come-back! Dorn king and prince dead! Sam meeting his father! Tyrion liberating dragons! Varys and Red Priest! Arya stabbed! Jorah confesses his love and reveals Greyscale and sad warefell, hope he comes back #gandalfstyle! And what else will be coming? Battle of the bastards! Brienne meeting Jaimie! Cersei chooses violence! Conflict in Meereen? Dany sailing to Westeros with Theon and Yara? Arya becoming NO One/ staying Stark? Tower of Joy Part II! White Walkers approaching! And much much more!

      Who can ever argue this is not the best season ever! 🙂

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    79. JemFX,

      Oh my sweet summer child…..

      But I agree, I love this season so far. If the last 3 episodes are good, it will beat S4 and S5, witch are still my favourites. (S1 holds a special place for me, just because of Sean Bean and Mark Addy.)

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    80. gnarlytarly,

      It’s not my favorite. I prefer the earlier seasons with the character building and intrigue. It was just more fun to watch. Or, maybe I’m just becoming jaded on it like I do with most things.

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    81. BranSnow,

      Thank you!

      I learned English by myself, in school they thought us french/russian, so I do make mistakes but thank you for correcting me, I’m always open to corrections!

      Actually this place, is one of the biggest reasons I speak and write English quite well, well better then before at least! 🙂

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    82. ygritte:
      gnarlytarly,

      It’s not my favorite. I prefer the earlier seasons with the character building and intrigue. It was just more fun to watch. Or, maybe I’m just becoming jaded on it like I do with most things.

      I’m not sure if you are a book reader or only a show watcher but I actually feel the opposite. Each year I rewatch the series before the next season and in my opinion, season 1 feels really dull compared to later seasons, especially in terms of visuals and emotional moments. Yes, maybe I was too used to the book and thus emotional moments did not have real impact on me, especially compared to Sansa/Jon reunion (which I cannot stop watching) or Hold the Door scene, but on the other hand, TV Red Wedding was far more emotional for me than its book counterpart even though I read the book several times before. But again, this may originate from the fact, that TV Robb had much bigger presence as his book counterpart. Same goes for Oberyn declaring himself Tyrion’s champion – I never felt a thing when reading a book scene but on TV I could almost feel their internal pain.

      I remember when season 4 ended, I had to change all my ratings and push several episodes (especially those from season 1) one grade lower because that season really exceeded my expectations, especially from entertainment perspective, and more than half of the episodes would be rated 10. Even with the change, 5 episodes remained with 10 rating. This season has a similar situation: 7 episodes in and I already gave three 10s, one 9, three 8s (two of them close to 9) and no 7 (which is currently the lowest grade I gave to the episodes). I think the last three episodes (or the last two) will be decisive, if this season will take a top place on my list (currently 2<1<5<3<4).

      Yes, losing interest in the series when nearing towards the end is a normal thing and that's why I understand the producers' decision to end the series after 73 episodes. Or maybe you spend too much overspeculating and the resolution does not feel satisfying (with this I mean book readers in particular). Similar thing happened to LOST (my favorite TV series) – there were those who wanted to know all the answers and were thus dissappointed and confused by the finale ("Wait, were they dead all along?") and there were those (me among them) who figured that the show was about the characters themselves and really enjoyed the ending.

      Regardless if you enjoy the series or not, you have to understand that the show has entered its resolution phase with only 16 episodes left. The twists are done, the knots have to be untangled and loose ends have to be tied up.

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    83. Mihnea:
      Black Raven,

      Exactly this, I disagree with Elio on everything.

      But hell do I respect that he stuck to what he said. He said he will not watch the show and he didn’t watch it. I respect that.

      Linda and her followers should follow Elio’s steps. Like seriously, i understand they don’t like the show, but for the love of god if they don’t like it, don’t fucking watch it. It’s even more painful when i read their comments on the Westeros.org forum before the season 6, that they refuse watch the show. Yet, they fucking did it and the same followers went on to rant about the show.

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    84. Mawk,

      I love that idea! Hating the Boltons and loving Bronn as much as I do, it would give me great pleasure to see him take over the Dreadfort.

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    85. Martin tries to explain something about every character, even characters who only show up twice or die soon. I feel like a lot of times he writing a character who he thinks will have a big role, then he changes further down the line. So instead of editing or deleting the character, he just keeps adding new info. I really wish he had finished the books before the show. But its too late now. They are doing the best they can with this vast world.

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    86. I wonder: if ever there is a situation of Jaime and Tyrion on opposite sides, say in Season 7, will Bronn switch sides to Tyrion? Or would he remain with Jaime? I would love it if he switched!! 😀

      maria: Yara is conveniently at Volantis, so Dany gets an excellent admiral, too.

      Oooh….. great point about Yara being the future admiral of the naval fleet. Poor Dothraki – did they ever imagine that at every step it would be a female in charge? 🙂

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    87. Lord Parramandas,

      What made you think I was dying for a response from you? I just don’t know why people are so taken with this show, and I think a part of the book/show argument is that we who love the books don’t enjoy seeing something we liked so much ruined when it didn’t need to be. You have your opinion, and being an opinion, it can’t be wrong. And i never said you were wrong. I just don’t understand. And you watching the tower scene over and over doesn’t mean anything. 3 kings guard got
      Cut to two, and most people aren’t even sure who KG #2 was…why is that? Why was Dawn just totally disregarded? When did Dayne fight dual weapons? This stuff is all well and good being different, but these things made sense and were important in the books, and helped make these events important.

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    88. StannisGotScrewed,

      Another topic you might have mentioned that is slighted by the show is noted speeches (for example Broken Men) and savory trash talk (such as castellans Blackfish flaming Jaime and Sir Penrose insulting Stannis and his cohorts formerly allied to Renly). These conflicts and face offs deserve as much coverage as blood and gore, and they advance the narrative while recalling history.

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    89. JemFX,

      Yes, and let the record show that all these high points result from the introductions, actions, histories, and explanations described in earlier books/shows. The dramas you enjoy so much now don’t exist in a vacuum. They follow the previous work.

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    90. Beer Island,

      Right. And what is missing is the Yoda recommendation: Do or Don’t Do. If there is no follow up, don’t put it there in the first place.

      Unpursued characters and activity replace reveals IMO. Instead of holding back all possible reveals to beyond Book 7, explain reveals instead of adding undeveloped concepts. As you say, it is what it is.

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    91. StannisGotScrewed:
      Lord Parramandas,

      What made you think I was dying for a response from you? I just don’t know why people are so taken with this show, and I think a part of the book/show argument is that we who love the books don’t enjoy seeing something we liked so much ruined when it didn’t need to be. You have your opinion, and being an opinion, it can’t be wrong. And i never said you were wrong. I just don’t understand. And you watching the tower scene over and over doesn’t mean anything. 3 kings guard got
      Cut to two, and most people aren’t even sure who KG #2 was…why is that? Why was Dawn just totally disregarded? When did Dayne fight dual weapons? This stuff is all well and good being different, but these things made sense and were important in the books, and helped make these events important.

      First of all, disliking or even hating a great scene just because it isn’t the same as in the books is what usually defines a book purist and your comment about the Tower of Joy is a pure example of that. The scene was not “ruined” in any way, just changed. And in my opinion, cutting three KG to two resulted in ser Arthur’s skill being more noticable. In the original casting call, ser Arthur was actually mentioned to carry a greatsword, but apparently it was changed during the production for unknown reasons. Either the actor was uncomfortable with it or the fighting itself did not look right.

      Dawn was totally disregarded? Let me remind you that Dawn is a freaking SWORD not a person. What did you expect? Ser Arthur having a long monologue about it? The show is not made for book readers only (who represent just a tiny bit of a fandom) and most of the show watchers have no idea who ser Arthur is. His sword is not relevant for the story, it’s a part of world-building. Hell, even ser Arthur’s role is not important – he was a Kingsguard who died guarding a tower and that was it!

      And last thing: The fight itself was not even described in the books! Unless lord Howland narrates it, I actually doubt it will ever be, considering that Bran’s book counterpart can only see through the weirwood eyes and there is no weirwood near the tower.

      So if I understand you right, you dislike/hate the show and you came to this fansite and wrote a rant not because you wanted to discuss it, but because you are disappointed that there are so many fans left who still like the show? You really remind of someone…

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    92. Darkrobin and Ash,

      Patchface and his songs are so strongly featured that I am eager to see the reveal of who Patchface really is and what his utterances really prophecy. At first I thought he would play some pivotal role, but since he is almost excluded from the show, it looks like he will not even be a footnote.

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    93. StannisGotScrewed,

      I am interested to know how you think Stannis got screwed.

      No respect from Robert? The much poorer castle? Not automatically being promoted to King? Younger brother more popular and daring to claim kingship? What do you think?

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    94. Darkrobin,

      T

      hey did an excellant nod to Patchface in maybe the first episode Shireen appeared in I believe. She sings some of his utterences as the credits roll.

      She also sings it after one of her lessons with Davos IIRC

      Lord Parramandas,

      T

      he show is not made for book readers only (who represent just a tiny bit of a fandom) and most of the show watchers have no idea who ser Arthur is.

      off topic, but I would find it a fascinating survey of viewers – who read the books first, who have only seen the show, who got to the books because of the show, and who have read the books but did not watch the show (yeah, they wouldnt be viewers then…) It wouldn’t matter one iota, but it would explain why certain decisions were made by the shows producers and why viewers reacted in certain ways to book scenes in the show. Or not. Just be curious (this is not nec agreeing with you btw, just thought Id toss that out)

      Marlana,

      Patchface and his songs are so strongly featured that I am eager to see the reveal of who Patchface really is and what his utterances really prophecy

      Yeah, tho at this point I doubt thats going to happen. Tho it might be fun for Euron to have a fool….

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    95. Harranhal Creep: Linda and her followers should follow Elio’s steps. Like seriously, i understand they don’t like the show, but for the love of god if they don’t like it, don’t fucking watch it. It’s even more painful when i read their comments on the Westeros.org forum before the season 6, that they refuse watch the show. Yet, they fucking did it and the same followers went on to rant about the show.

      Yep, I agree totally with your comments. Back in the past (before I found WotW) I used to checkout westeros.org regularly, but it was always full of the same fucking shit coming from Linda who never had a good word to say about anything in the GoT TV series! Its even worst now and probably more so that Linda can’t refer to the unpublished/unfinished WoW where some of the S6 story lines have been taken from.

      After Season 5 finished, both Elio and Linda said that was it and they wouldn’t be making anymore videos after each episode. Fair enough and at least Elio has stuck to his word, but I was really surprised when Linda ‘Bit the bullet’ and decided to make a cut down video after each episode without Elio.

      I can only think she decided to do this as an outlet to fucking rant off, spit vitriol and generally to stir the shit up to appease her loyal followers! She’s a despicable character for sure, but if I go to that site these days its simply for the entertainment value and nothing else 😀

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    96. Mihnea,

      I was correcting you in honor of the great Stannis. I enjoy reading your post.

      I don’t take offense to opinions or this forum too serious. I hope I didn’t offend.

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    97. StannisGotScrewed,

      What was it a five minute scene? Not enough time. Unfortunately all the book people seem to want things to be exact………..so what would that be? 15 seasons? 20? filled with exciting episodes of internal monologues or twenty minute speeches by fringe one episode characters since finding things out any other way is “not the same” Oh we can avoid time travel but putting the date and time on the screen to start each scene; you know since people need to be told “this scene is meant to be three weeks later” while the next scene is actually two weeks back again.

      Maybe go in chronological order so we can go seasons without seeing travelling characters so as not to confuse?

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    98. ash: Yeah, tho at this point I doubt thats going to happen. Tho it might be fun for Euron to have a fool….

      If Patchface becomes Euron’s fool, each serving different gods and having different powers and covenants with who knows, Patchface could come out the winner, IMO. It would be very interesting, but probably not advance the story. A strange combination.

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    99. Young Dragon:
      Marlana,

      I think he’s referring to how the show handled Stannis’s character.

      Oh.

      Pursuing his belief that he is fulfilling a prophecy and his destiny as next in line king, and ignoring martial good practice, then in his last throw of the dice burning the only person available with king’s blood who is not him – all that was portrayed.

      From his grievance about getting the lesser castle to his final religious decision through his attacking on foot with inadequate forces, he screwed himself.

      Which was worse, his concept of duty or the fact that he had the iron-clad will to to perform what he thought was his duty? His portrayal was teeth-grittingly harsh and believable.

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    100. Marlana: From his grievance about getting the lesser castle to his final religious decision through his attacking on foot with inadequate forces, he screwed himself.

      I agree, except that Stannis’ decision was not “religious.” It was based on a moral system, but one of honor: it is his duty to do anything and everything to win this war. Generals fight for victories, not causes: and general often use gambits (i.e., sacrificing a small number of troops to provide victory for a larger number of troops) to win. Robb Stark sacrificed 2K northmen to relieve Riverrun. Stannis sacrificed his daughter to get his army out of snow.

      Now, did Stannis ignore good tactical sense with his plans? Possibly: but Stannis had never dealt with winter before. And perhaps his even bigger undoing was that, in the end, he simply did not care anymore. Stannis was always a man without a soul: and what slim vestige of humanity he ever had died with his daughter.

      But I particularly agree that his portrayal was very believable. History has shown over and over again that generals do terrible things in order to win wars. They do it because their moral code basically says: win by whatever means necessary. This, more than anything, is why Renly was entirely correct in Season 1: good generals make terrible kings.

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    101. AlexG,

      She and the inept Mace perhaps. I do think the big deaths this season will include at least one Tyrell, probably two. Unless good old Cerc doesn’t set off any wild fire this season.

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    102. Mihnea: Actually this place, is one of the biggest reasons I speak and write English quite well, well better then before at least!

      G’d on yah, mate….. (To use one version of English!)

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    103. Lord Parramandas: The show is not made for book readers only (who represent just a tiny bit of a fandom) and most of the show watchers have no idea who ser Arthur is. His sword is not relevant for the story, it’s a part of world-building.

      Heh, even book readers have next to no idea who Dayne was. He obviously lionized by some people, but as both book and show repeatedly tell us, George Washington never chopped down a cherry tree in Westeros, either. Dayne is almost certainly a semi-fictionalized icon of “the good old days”: and one near-universal truth is that there never were any good old days.

      But I do agree with you entirely. It is not just that Joe and Jane Viewer do not care what Glorfindel tells us about Valinor or the Elves who dwelt there, or about the details of all of Harry’s classes or Quidditch games, or about characters that exist only to develop how particular Westerosi characters view the past: Jane and Joe Viewer criticize shows and movies that spend time on these things because they basically are like adding sawdust to flour when making a cake.

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    104. Lord Parramandas:

      I haven’t read them yet, so I didn’t have any preconceived notions. Though I certainly can understand why some readers would be disappointed in their favorite scenes, dialogues or whatever being hugely altered or omitted completely. I would be too I guess, but soon after realizing this isn’t going to be a carbon copy I like to think I would’ve shaken it off and start judging the show on its own merits. That said I’ve been let down this season because the show runners are making some strange choices and the flow/pacing is a bit off. I guess as with anything once the newness wears off there is a bit of a lull. I got drawn into it from the 1st episode as an atmospheric costume drama and the eeriness of the first scene out of CB into the forest. Then I saw it had Sean Bean, yay, and was intrigued by the beheading of this poor soul who’s only fault was trying to escape these strange muderous creatures. When a guy pushed a little kid to his almost certain death and another man was treating this girl in a trance-like state that turned out to be his own sister like a piece of meat I thought OK this isn’t going to be for me, but then there’s an intriguing direwolf scene with pups being in exact number to the children, yay mystery, and also admittedly I liked the face of the young man who found them. So what got me past the first episode was basically the presence of Sean Bean, the mystery alluded to the presence of extinct wolves, appealing cinematography, and Jon Snow. Then the great acting/casting was also apparent in episode 2-3 with Dinklage, Heady, Fairley etc. I never cared for the OTT violence. It did excel in serving up the idea that this was a gritty, scary world to be in but… when Joffrey presented Ros with that heavy object and ordered her to beat the other whore I felt sick, put my finger on the exit button of my remote, and let out sigh of relief when they cut to a different scene. I knew the Oberyn/Mountain head explosion was coming so I turned away. But there is such thing as overdoing it to the point it all becomes too unrealistic. I mean, these are human beings after all and why was everything dealt with violence. It’s like 2 people riding horses through the wood and god help them if they happen across other human beings cause they’re all so damned paranoid they get suspicious and want to kill each other just for being on the same path. So there has been some desensitization but I don’t care for the nonchalant killing off of characters just for plot reasons now.

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    105. BranSnow,

      Not at all!! Sorry if my comment looked sarcastic or I wasn’t clear enough!

      I appreciate that you corrected me. I’m trying to perfect my english for personal reasons and work related stuff, so I welcome every advise I get!

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    106. Have been thinking about Bronn

      More specifically Bronn and Podrick

      In the preview Pod seems to be in the boat helping what I suspect is the Blackfish escape

      Presumably this is after the whole playful headlock routine. I figured they would end up wanting info off him (pretty bizarre tbh he’s been able to walk around in Lannister squire armour all over the North and even in Tully held Rivverrun going by that pic of him and Brienne but anyway)

      But now I’m wondering that, if he is set to stay with Brienne after that, he uses Pod as a means to put feelers out to the Northerners to defect?

      Other possibility is that he defects to “bad pussy” Dornish

      He is a sellsword, and a smart one at that

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