Liam Cunningham names the new character Davos encounters next season and the Game of Thrones cast discuss the impending white walker invasion, fan theories, dragons and Luke Skywalker character arcs.
*** Spoilers and speculation below ***
In an interview with IGN, Liam Cunningham not only confirmed speculation that Davos is, indeed, speaking to a Mormont when he says, “The real war is between the living and make no mistake, the dead are coming,” in the trailer, he specified which Mormont it is.
Who I’m saying that to is a fabulous young actress who you haven’t met yet, who’s about to come in, who’s Lyanna Mormont,” said Cunningham. “He’s explaining the situation to her because certain other individuals are making a mess of their parlay. He’s very good at lateral thinking and explaining the situation, as we know.
Cunningham also discussed the ludicrousness of the Westerosi’s reluctance to address the white walkers and hinted that Davos and Melisandre might unite through their shared belief in the imminent threat.
The Night’s King is coming. You ain’t gonna kill him with a bow and arrow. We need to do something, rapidly, but they’ve all got their heads up their asses with their own little squabbles. Don’t forget Melisandre’s seen it in the flames. She’s talking about all these petty squabbles that are going on with the Lannisters and the Boltons, all getting their little piece of turf in the Seven Kingdoms. They refuse to recognize that there’s 100,000 of the undead about to come. She’s seen it. [Davos] believes the things that she’s seen, even though he doesn’t like her, but she has her powers.
Maisie Williams expressed a similar view about the significance of the white walker invasion. “…[E]veryone’s little personal issues are absolutely meaningless and Arya’s own little selfish storyline means nothing in the overall story of Game of Thrones, and it’s true, we have to be turning our weapons north,” she said. “But you think anyone’s going to before it’s too late?”
Sophie Turner stressed the scale of the inevitable conflict: “This is a big thing … This is one of those battles that is kind of unstoppable. It’s more ominous than anything. It’s looming, and you really get a sense that the end is nigh.”
Michael McElhatton and Iwan Rheon both think that their characters are aware of the white walkers .. they’re just too busy at the moment to care, though McElhatton teased the possibility that the Boltons might be have “some connection with white walkers“.
“It must be [a concern],” Rheon said. “But it’s not the immediate threat because it seems further away to them than the other people – practically everyone in Westeros – who wants to get rid of them. They’ve got a lot more battles to fight before the White Walkers come.”
Tom Wlaschiha suspects that the Faceless Men know all about what’s going on beyond the Wall. “I’m pretty sure Jaqen knows about the White Walkers and the stuff that’s going on in Westeros.”
According to Isaac Hempstead-Wright, Bran may be “the key” to defeating the White Walkers, but in order to do so, he’s really going to have to step it up.
“There’s not much time. Bran has really got to get his act together, and he’s still got many teenage, hubristic tendencies. He’s still making some silly decisions with his powers. He’s got to learn quickly, and he’s got to shoulder a tremendous amount of responsibility with these powers which are going to be crucial, I feel like. For Bran, ‘the dead are coming’ is a real ‘you need to step up to the plate.’”
Cast members also discussed the craziest Game of Thrones fan theories they’ve heard.
Isaac Hempstead-Wright talked about the Luke Skywalker-esque change (“forget Summer, he’s got a droid now) that Bran has undergone in his season long absence and what it was like to film his scene with the Night King.
Emilia Clarke spoke vaguely about the “dodgy” situation Daenerys finds herself in next season and Joe Naufahu described his character, Khal Maro.
Hodor!
Lyanna!!!! Yaaaaasss
Awesome! I had speculated about this character joining during the off-season, but people pretty much ignored me, haha. I’m excited to meet the young lady who wrote that awesome letter.
Also, I wonder if they’ll take the opportunity to mention that she was named after Lyanna Stark, as another reinforcement of Lyanna’s character
?
“Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is Stark!”
Nice! Lyanna Mormont name-checked last season, and appearing this season. 🙂
Speaking of WW….when is someone going to sail to Dragonstone to get some of that dragonglass?
“…whose name is STARK!”
Interesting to her that Khal Moro is going to be respectful to Dany. I thought he would’ve been ruthless and humiliate her, but I guess that’s not the case?
I’m so stupidly excited about seeing little Lyanna Mormont being badass.
OT: For those interested in my futile attempt at making the GoT wiki look like an actual online encyclopedia instead of The Dragon Demand’s personal blog (the poster above; that WAS a coincidence), the fight is finally over. I feel… relieved. He has just permanently banned me from the wiki for harshly criticising his article bashing GoT for race issues. To his point that Oona Chaplin shouldn’t have been cast as a Volantene because she doesn’t look white enough, I asked whether he was one of the idiots who complaint when Idris Elba was cast as Heimdall despite not being, you know, white (I assume the answer is yes, because if not then he is not one of those idiots, and I wouldn’t have been insulting him). This and my repeated offenses towards him have earned me a permanent ban. Anyway, though it’s a load off my back, I hope others take the mantle of at least trying to control TDD’s worst excesses in his management of the wiki. I know there are a few wiki editors here who try to do so, like Lord Parramandas 😉
I wonder if she will get some variation of the
speech? D&D do a good job of hinting at what’s to come. We should never ignore a seemingly throw-away line or character mention. I’m so excited to see this little Mormont. From what I recall, there was no one matching her description in the casting calls was there?
Hmmm… McElhatton’s comments about the Boltons maybe being connected to the White Walkers “in some way” intrigues me greatly. Surely the Bolt-on theory can’t be true… can it?
One does not simply…curse at Administrators.
What was that quote from the words of Marcus Tullius Cicero?
Lyanna Mormont!
God I hope so. Go Wylla Manderley.
I am so pumped for when the White Walkers break down the wall and make their presence known to everyone in Westoros! Going to be amazing!
I can’t wait to see Lyanna Mormont as well!
I can’t take it anymore….the hype is too much to handle….
Doesn’t seem like Bran will be using his powers entirely for good. In TV Guide it also said that his ego is going to “swell”. I wonder if there’s a dark turn in store for his character.
I think Lyanna Mormant will be Jon Snow/Stark/Targaeryan’s love interest!?
Isn’t Lyanna Mormont like 10 years old?
It is great that we will see Lyanna Mormont!
Liam Cunningham’s answer here is actually quite interesting.
It almost sounds similar to the communication between Jon and the Wildlings at Hardhome. Jon said something and then Tormund elaborated or explained it to the Wildlings. Perhaps this scene could be something similar, we might see Jon or Sansa or both talking while Davos does the explaining.
Anyone else ever thought that maybe Bran will warf into Jon Snow body?
He actually did that? Pathetic… He of all people…
And how is this any better? How is it possible that he wasn’t banned.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Should_Dragon_Demands_be_demoted%3F
Guys, this is not the place for attacking another commenter. Please stop.
Rella,
She’s 10 years old. So….yeah. I don’t think so.
Connor,
Yes she is 10 years old, but I don’t think age really matters in GoT. Look at Tommen and Margaery. Fat Walda and Roose. Walder Frey and his young brides. Just a thought.
*has a complete happy attack* 🙂 🙂 🙂 Go Lyanna!!!!
So much awesome. And a Bolton connection to the
SO MUCH AWESOME.
I wonder if the Bear Island meeting is going to be the same scene that the other Northern lords we know they cast are in, basically a one-stop shop for minor allies. Liam’s description makes it sound like there are others there.
Davos always has been good at sorting out the discussions (Iron Bank for one).
I can’t help but feel as though Jaqen and the FM will take a dark(er) turn, and we’ll end up finding out a few horrific things.
What is it you think Gendry has been doing for the last two-plus seasons? Wait, no, he was leaving Dragonstone, which means he had to do a lap around Westeros, so…argh. No.
“He’s explaining the situation to her because certain other individuals are making a mess of their parlay. He’s very good at lateral thinking and explaining the situation, as we know.
Does this mean that Lyanna Mormont is part of that scene with the Northern Lords which was filmed for a day in late december, for which a Manderly like character was also cast. This looks like one big scene with the different lords, which will take place in Bear Island.
Damn, that is exciting and unexpected news !
I mean… many people around here must have guessed Lyanna Mormont would show up, and even if from all we gathered it should have been obvious, well, I didnt see it coming !
Looking forward to discover the actress in the role !
Flayed Potatoes,
I can’t wait to see the Mormonts! I loved seeing when Stannis got her letter!
I’m so curious to see who is playing Lyanna!
This part of Isaac’s interview is intriguing:
Bran has really got to get his act together, and he’s still got many teenage, hubristic tendencies. He’s still making some silly decisions with his powers
It’s almost too much at this point, hearing all the new awesomeness and not seeing it.
ONE MORE WEEK PEOPLE! ONE MORE WEEK!
Chimeny,
I’m hoping he knows the tinfoil and is trolling people … but on the bright side no one’s pushing the “time traveling fetus” theory …
I like this idea. I was wondering who these others are who “mess up the parlay”. But now, I can totally imagine these minor lords mucking up the meeting until Davos cuts through the crap and gives his speech from the trailer. And having a gathering of Northern Lords at Bear Island would eliminate the need for Sansa & Davos to travel all over the North gathering support. Hopefully, the Manderly-like character will give his speech at this parlay.
El-Bobbie,
It’s probably just knowing resurrecting Jon & revealing his parentage will have a butterfly effect & doing it anyway.
Luka Nieto,
I can’t find the race discussion on Talisa’s GoT Wiki page.
Can’t wait to see the actress who plays Lyanna.
BunBunStark,
I assume Sansa/Jon will send ravens to the different Lords asking them to gather at Bear Island? Otherwise, there would be no reason for all these people to be together at one spot. Sansa and Davos then head there to rally them. I wonder if Jon will be there too, he has Longclaw, the fact that Joer Mormont chose to pass his family’s VS sword to Jon should have an imapct on the Mormonts at least.
I wonder if they will have Robbs will
(which I believe was given to Madge)?Rella,
If she was a child of 10 is S5? I’m not sure we want to see Jon hook up with an underage girl lol. ON another note I do get the feeling the Mormont’s will figure into the past and the future in some way we haven’t thought.
Weimhunter,
Yep, but were told nobody can warg a dead body.
ghost of winterfell,
I’m expecting him to show up at the Red Wedding 2.0
lol Sansa?!
Bran thinking a little too much of himself is something I hadn’t actually thought about. His story looks like it is going to be a little more interesting than it appears from the trailers. It’s cool to have all these big moments but the characters and their inner conflicts matter just as much if not more.
We know that
I wonder if that happens because of some mistake Bran does. He does something which he thinks he can handle, but he messes up.
Will be fascinating to see how this flows
On the one hand the show can end up with Crasters Keep type campy TV things when the show diverges from GRRM writing
On the other, they won’t have the issue of imersiveness undermined by shoe-horning characters into situations to rigidly keep with plot way-points in a way which end up defying logic given the butterfly effect
I was a bit worried but I reckon this will end up being the best season in some respects as they can explore their own themes and interpretation more freely
Plus while the major plot points will be spoiled, we as book readers already deeply suspect what they are and the fine detail will be so different to the books it won’t spoil the specifics
Why no good leaks from premiere?
Underpants of Hodor,
Because it was pretty much all industry people. They have a bit more respect as far as spoilers go.
it does matter idiot. Tommen is 14 in the show….. And walder frey wives are over 20……
“he’s still got many teenage, hubristic tendencies. He’s still making some silly decisions with his powers”
Since we’ve seen the trailers and other various footage, I’ve been mulling over the idea that the WW storming Weirwood central is a direct result of Bran making some sort of mistake. Or to take this even further, that this is linked to the fall of the Wall/ WWs ability to breach the Wall.
1. “The dead are coming…”:
nice little double entendre there for Jon Snow’s resurrection as well.
It ‘s a good thing he did not add “…back!”
2.
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/3/3d/Lyanna_Mormont's_letter.png/revision/latest?cb=20150421172421
After this meeting (Snow, Stannis & Davos) it ‘s probably Davos himself up in Castle Black who suggests Bear Island as a safe haven and escorts Sansa there.
If Wyman Manderly also turns up there, a subsequent trip to the Riverlands could lead to some delicious Frey pies…
http://i.imgur.com/RGc128N.png
Does this editing sound plausible?
– Jorah & Daario searching for Daenerys. On the way Daario asks Jorah about his background. He relates his moving story about Bear Island, how he fled to Essos and -possibly- Longclaw
Cut to:
– Sansa & Davos (and possibly the remaining Stark loyalists) arriving and giving the viewer their first glimpse of Bear Island.
Might even be on the map of the opening titles sequence
– While there, Sansa comments on Lyanna Mormont’s namesake, reminiscing on the dead aunt she never met, but has heard so much about.
Cut to:
– Bran & the Three-Eyed Raven in a greenseeing flashback of the Tower of Joy (another Lyanna).
Cut to:
– the Jon Snow sequence of your choice…
Too obvious?
Melisandre’s and Stannis’ storylines have never really made sense to me. So, Melisandre talks Stannis into going to the wall, because the White Walkers are the real threat. And the first thing they do is fight and defeat Wildlings? After that, what do they do (after hanging around for a bit)? Stannis leaves to go back into fighting for the Throne. What was the point to going up to the Wall, if all he was going to do is leave before ever dealing with the threat he went up there for?
At least in the books, Melisandre stays at the Wall, which makes more sense. But why doesn’t she try to talk Stannis into staying up there? If he needed to take over the Throne of Westeros before fighting the White Walkers, then why didn’t he start that fight from Dragonstone? And if he needed to be at the Wall to fight White Walkers, then why didn’t he stay there?
Clearly, the were needed up there, plot-wise, to save Jon and the Night’s Watch from Mance and the Wildlings. But from their own characters’ point of view, their actions don’t really make much sense.
I’ve been thinking about Bran’s “hubristic tendencies” and can’t help but think that that shot from the trailer where the Night’s King grabs his arm happens because he wanted to inquire more info about the WW and look into the Heart of Winter. Note that he seems to be on his own in that shot. Maybe Bloodraven forbid it because he feared that the Night’s King would discover them… Aaand then the cave gets stormed and urges them to flee. Bloodraven is probably killed in the process.
Lyanna!!!
Davos = smooth criminal.
Wow! Some hype for death/braavos connections! Some hype for Roose’s undead connects! And some BRANAKIN hype.
Feels like the cast has been given a longer leash with their PR. I can dig it. Lots of cool stuff to think about.
Just a week to go! STOKED
Yeah I’m thinking along the same lines (see my post above). I also think BR sacrifices himself to let Bran and co escape.
3. Makes total sense for the Faceless Men to know many things about the upcoming new War for the Dawn.
After all, both the Weirwood Face of the Old Gods’ Heart Trees AND the Fiery Heart of R’hllor can be found among the statues inside the Atrium of the House of Black & White.
Suggesting these are both aspects of the same Many-Faced God, they should know why the White Walkers are trying to eliminate for a second time all warm-blooded humans (Valar Morghulis?) possibly sent by R’hllor (Valar Dohaeris?) to Westeros on 3 separate occasions (First Men, Andals, Targaryens).
Just hoping as much as possible gets to be revealed…
The tinfoil is unfathomable on this one…
4. Bran Stark’s affinity to the Darkness has been hinted mostly in the books (in the show as well to a lesser extent) on several occasions, so we shouldn’t expect a straightforward Good vs Evil storyline here either.
For those who prefer Epic Fantasy to pseudo-historical intrigues (as good as these may be in a product so addictive as GoT) Bran’s storyline should be the most spectacular & satisfying and the shock-o-meter wildly off the charts
I have this feeling unJon is going to kill the current Night’s King and supplant him, ending the war. Thus, all the King Jon foreshadowing will come to fruition, just not in the way most people thought it would.
Wylie,
My thoughts too.
If any twists do not occur in the meantime, sounds like the safest bet
Luka Nieto,
I’ve told him that I think this an outrageous course of action, but I doubt he’ll listen… you will be missed. 🙁
Valaquen,
It’s on the page “Race and Ethnicity in Game of Thrones”.
Oh, he created a whole new article about the race issue 😉
Yeah! I had the same thought. At first I thought Sansa and Davos and maybe others would be spending a few episodes running around the North or something, but maybe it’s all dealt with in Bear Island? Davos certainly implies a third party in that meeting.
It feels weird that the story has been slowly building over this past six years and now,all of a sudden,it looks like every single story is going to explode in just one season 🙁
Luka Nieto,
That’s for best.
Don’t bother Luka. Let him live in his world. You will not wake him from there anyway.
Apollo,
The Sybian,
Yeah. I’ve been wondering for a while what Bran’s arc could be this season because just having some visions and trying to get the info to someone would have been – compared to his sisters’ dilemmas – a bit underwhelming.
On that Northern lord’s parlay
Also wasn’t that parlay filmed by Miguel Sapochnik and would therfore have to be early in Ep 9 or was it more that he was in the area filming something and at the same time the parlay was filmed and we can’t say for sure if there was another director there or not?
If it was from early E9, Sansa would probably already be on her way to meet the army of the Vale halfway. But then who would accompany her? Hmm still so many questions…
Luka Nieto,
The funniest bit is him calling Lindaario experts on the issue. 😀
I have the same fear. Maybe they changed him to a Hornwood or something… but why?
Hm… Where did you get that information? I don’t remember anything about Sapochnik filming that scene. We know it was filmed on December 16, not much else, right?
Luka Nieto,
I also left the Wiki. Technically, my profile still exists but I have no intention of editing ever again. The only thing on my profile is now “I am done with this Wiki” Seeing productive editors being banned was the final straw. Ironically, I was preparing for season 6 edits yesterday and I envisioned my new more complete profile, evrn uploading Parramandas sigli on it. Sadly this time will never come.
Side note: If you want, check Gonzalo84’s talk page. At the bottom, TDD made a statement how delighted he is about Linda reviewing season 6, calling her a reviewer with a firm hand.
Yeah. I suspected that that wasn’t confirmed. I seem to remember reports about Sapochnik being around in NI at that time and filming with the White Walker Unit, but this obviously doesn’t have to mean that he was the one who shot that particular scene. Most probably just a coincidence and if you say that xou don’t know about it, then it’s probably nothing.
However, I find it curious that the casting call for “Fletcher” and what is probably young Lord Cerwyn says that they are expected to only shoot scenes on 16th december which would mean that they do not partake in the battle themselves… Hmmm.
He’s obviously getting the dragonglass from Asshai. No need to use up all the local resources 😛
I am having difficulties with the site…I have to refresh manually every time now…until yesterday it refreshed automatically…what may be happening?
Question for anyone who might remember: Have HBO released a preview video for premiere episodes in advance of the first airing in the previous years? What are the odds we’ll get one this week?
If he rules the realm he can direct the entire forces of Westeros, as he said “I’ll let him man all the Castles on the Wall if he so wishes” when sending Davos off
This is why JS will leave the watch IMO, he can fight for Crowns and Glory etc now that his oath is void, and if his family can rule the North they can direct those armies to defend against the WW instead of leaving the Wall to be defended by a few Wildlings and what is left of the Watch
Sue the Fury,
I tried to write another comment on this matter, but it got lost. I hope you’ll be able to see this one.
I still have problems while posting. I can’t see my comments. They appear only after I clean my browser history and I refresh (except for the previous one I have mentioned above).
Yes, I got that impression, as well. “One way or another, the gift will be given.” I took that to mean that she’ll bring them the face they request or they will take her face instead. I also get the impression that one does not simply drop out of Faceless Man School. You become a Faceless Man, or you become a face.
I’m having the same thing. Probably just a glitch which will get sorted out.
Like many I suspected that Lyanna Mormont would appear after they included her note last season. Glad to have it confirmed! I assume they will streamline House Mormont and just make her the heir? I can understand why, if they do. A little girl leading a house, perhaps making a fierce speech, sounds like a great character.
As for Bran… I don’t think he’s going to become a dark or bad character. I think they’re just going to add some depth to his characterisation by showing some of the “hubris” that he has in the books (warging into Hodor whenever he feels like it – not cool Bran!). Bran likes doing what he wants, when he wants and he needs to learn that that’s not okay and that he isn’t better than everyone because he’s a little lord with big powers.
I have an incredibly terrible memory, so please don’t imagine that it wasn’t reported just because I don’t remember it 😛
Alex G,
I am having the same problem too
Wylie,
Even though Sapochnik was involved in filming on that day, there was nothing to suggest that it was for this scene with the northern lords. It could have been, but it is more likely to happen in one of the earlier episodes, imo.
Boudica,
More like Stanis and Davos’s visit to the iron back.
ghost of winterfell,
It’s part of the server changeover. A techie could explain the why of it better than I can, but they’re not around right now.
Anyway, update your browser to the latest version and that should help.
Alex G,
Dolorous Methuselah,
ghost of winterfell,
I want to add to this. I use Chrome on Android for my phone, and until I cleared my browsing history, I saw an older version of the page (from around 24h ago).
ygritte,
I was thinking in the future as far as Jon and Lyanna. She was brought up in season 5, like other characters have, who eventually figure into the greater scheme of things. All the Stark children were children and yet they were married off and Jon/Ygritte had a physical relationship. It is GoT and anything can happen. Too bad we can’t ask GRRM!
Kit Hairyton,
Frankly, if they bring Tormund to a gathering of Northern nobles, they’re not very smart.
She was referred to by Jon as the Lady of Bear Island in Season 5. Which could theoretically mean the acting lady or whatever, but more likely not.
Yaga,
Ah, I had exactly the same problem. Cleared the browsing history now and it all works just fine again!
Well. I don’t think changing one’s setup for one page is a reasonable solution if all other work.
Someone posted in another thread that you have a problem with different jscript settings or so
Sue the Fury,
Thanks Sue – silliness
Shy Lady Dragon,
I had to clear my history several times to get it to work correctly.
Sue the Fury,
Oh okay, thanks.
Yaga,
I tried it on my laptop, which is what I normally use ( I use chrome), but still does not work for me, maybe because as Sue said, I have an older version of the browser. Page works fine on iPad though.
joffreysbleedingeyes,
It’s not changing your setup, it’s a standard update. People’s browsers should be kept up to date anyway, but we tend to let that slide. I know I did.
The techies are working on it, but for people on Chrome in particular, this is a fix that works.
anca,
I hope it makes you feel good to call someone an idiot! This is GoT and no one knows what age the real Lyanna will be? Did you really think Richard Madden and Jon Snow were teenagers?
They say her age on the show. I don’t recall, but it was around 13 I think. Maybe less.
Wylie,
Just guessing that “Fletcher” casting call could most likely be Wyman Manderly – especially since there was an actor portraying his son Wendel at the Red Wedding – plus they would be able to bring the Rat Cook tale full circle.
His storyline with Davos and his presence at a certain wedding (the rumoured Red 2.0) might be altered/condensed/reshuffled, so I wouldn’t possibly speculate about the absence (?) of his troops & banners during the Battle for Winterfell
ghost of winterfell,
that would be great if other Northern Lords were at the Mormont’s. Only concern is it seems like the Bolton’s know most that is going on in the north. My guess is Davos would be there without the Bolton’s knowing. therefore smaller party. Also, most of the northern lords would have to sneak around Winterfell to get Bear Island. I honestly think it is simply Davos at the Mormonts, asking for support. The people mucking up the parlay are people scared to fight the Bolton’s. Why I don’t think other northern lords are there is because if there were there would be more people in that hall. If Davos and Sansa are in that scene, there is literally no one behind either of them. People go with Lords when they travel but yet no one in the hall. Based on no one else in the hall behind Davos and Sansa, the relative degree of difficulty to get around the Boltons to get to Bear Island, especially without no one knowing is to difficult. I think it is simply Davos and Sansa talking to the Mormonts with Lyanna’s advisors scared to go against the Boltons
I wouldn’t be surprised if Lyanna Mormont
Seems like something GOT would honestly do
Wishing Im Mrs Snow,
Robb never mentioned once about Jon being his successor in the TV show. I think it would be bad writing for TV purposes to pull that card out randomly to put Jon in charge automatically. It is to easy. In the books it has been set up and mentioned. In the show I think Jon will have to earn his leadership amongst the other Nobles instead of a never mentioned letter from dead Robb.
Who could he mean? I hope it´s not Sansa.
Sue the Fury,
Well. My android chrome is up to date and has the problem anyway
David H,
Well, Davos talks Stannis into going to the Wall to act Kingly, protect the realm vs the Free Folk. Once Mel knows about the Free Folk issue she sees visions about the White Walkers and determines something bigger is taking place. Stannis goes up there, saves the Wall. Remember Westeros needs the wall to keep the walkers out. The idea is the walkers can’t pass the wall while it stands. Stannis saves the men who are to protect the wall. He finds out more information the White Walker situation. It is determined that the Bolton’s will not work with most houses. Stannis and his advisors believe in order to stop the WW invasion they need to unite/control the north. That means take it from the Boltons. I know a simple conversation may do, but remember the Bolton’s are for Lannisters and therefore do have orders to kill Stannis.
So my point is he didn’t go to the wall to stop white walkers. Stannis went to the wall to save the men protecting the wall that stops the white walkers.
He can’t fight his war from Dragonstone. He needs to do two things to move forward with his war: one, get more troops – he simply can’t at dragonstone, even with the money. So he needs to go get more troops. In the books he takes out the wildlings with like 1500 men. he doesn’t have the large bought army like in the show. So he can’t wage war from Dragonstone. He needs Westeros support as well and the only place to get that is the north where it is in disarray, he also knows he can get Stark supporters up there. His goal still is the throne, the White Walker issue has slowly presented itself.
I think it was the only option he had – go north to save the wall and unite the north. It wasn’t because of the White Walkers that he decided to go, it was his Kingly duty to protect Westeros from an army of 100,000 trying to invade.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I don’t like to think so. If Sansa and Davos are indeed going there together, I’d assume them to be on the same page. As several people pointed out, it’s most probably during that particular parlay and some of the lords will have strong opinions about whether or not to enter a new war against the Bolton and their allies. One casting notice
Wow, that actor who plays Tormund is nothing like the character! He sounds so different and mannerisms. Owen Teale first time I’m hearing him talk, he says Alliser knows Jon is a good man and in so many words only killed him out of practical neccessity. I can’t help but wonder then, why set up a traitor sign and have everyone take a damn stab at him? That’s a pretty vindictive way of going about it.
Stargaryen,
I don’t think we can say how many people are in the hall from what we saw in the trailer. We do know that there will be a gathering of the northern lords and someone from the main cast, most probably Sansa and Davos will be present there too. So instead of multiple meetings, the show might condense them into one where the Starks gain some loyal followers. What you say is also possible though, we will know soon enough!
Rella,
Well Stannis did state lyanna’s age last season when the letter was presented.
Well, so much hype. I have a feeling that once it starts on Sunday that I’m going to be super hyped for the 6 days between episodes….SO MUCH HYPE! And Lyanna Mormont!! I am literally on pins and needles…bring it on HBO
Wylie,
Great point, one of the Ryswell’s are hot headed. I thought I saw a banner with a horse, which would be Ryswell. Just a thought, total speculation.
Stargaryen,
The only issue I have with that theory is Stannis went North to battle the wildings and Mance and never encountered the WW. He has not even run into the WW yet.
Luka Nieto,
You have lasted quite long according to tDD’s “standard” period of banning whether deserved or not. There are contributors who never resorted to name calling (such as “idiot”) or any type of attacks and got themselves banned in quick order just for contradicting his wiki info and modifying it.
You are to be congratulated. You fought the good fight.
I’m guessing it’s the older Mormonts in the room. They must be like: “Whaaat? Are you crazy, old man? White Walkers don’t exist. You should drink less.”
Stargaryen,
I think there was a scene between Catelyn and Robb where they talked about his inheritance, because he didn’t want the Lannisters to get Winterfell. Robb wanted Jon as his heir, Catelyn was against it.
Mag,
No, there wasn’t. That’s one of the big book moments that people sometimes “remember” happening on the show. Not only did they omit that scene, they omitted the entire context in which that plot development occurred.
What would happen once the Boltons are defeated. WHo will get the dreadford or Karhold or Hornwood castles…just curious how the north will be reshaped with the Starks back in power.
Stark Loyalist,
The Hornwoods are still around in the show.
The Lyanna Mormont thing is indeed hypeworthy! Going by Liam’s comments, seems to me she’ll be a Lyanna/Wylla Manderly combo. I expect to hear a version of Wylla’s awesome speech in ADwD about her house being “sore beset and friendless… until the wolves took us in… In return we swore we should always be their men. Stark men!”
Can’t wait.
“Tom Wlaschiha suspects that the Faceless Men know all about what’s going on beyond the Wall. “I’m pretty sure Jaqen knows about the White Walkers and the stuff that’s going on in Westeros.””
Book wise and show wise Melisandre was the deciding factor in getting Stannis to go to the Wall, not because of the Wildlings but because of the Others.
Tho after the defeat of the Wildlings it is not an up front subject , book or show, seems George lets that slip.
It almost seems Varys , or maybe it’s obvious, is trying to enlist Dany for the coming battle because of the dragons. Varys is from Essos.
Gravemaster,
Yeah I think it will be similar to that. Moreover, I think many of the Lords will be hostile to the idea of fighting with Wildlings, and teaming with Sansa Lannister Bolton. I think Sansa is going to have to do more than just show up to win support.
Did you just call another poster an idiot? Hmmmm. Thanks for the warning to set you to “ignore”.
As for Lyanna’s age. Indeed, her age is rather young in the books. But they have aged up so many of the characters from book to movie. Is it totally inconceivable that they could age up Lyanna as well? (not for a ship with JS) To make her a bit more credible when dealing with the adults talking about massing for war against the WW’s? Is that not plausible?
Thorne/Teale sounds confidently quiet on the subject of JS. “Well, it had to be done…” sort of thinking. *bites nails* As the time draws closer and closer my faith is being shaken a bit here. Maybe that is exactly what “they” want. We will know soon enough.
How would the FM know much of anything, except that they have been around for a long time….are they seers? I just don’t recall that. They have “ways” for sure, but I never read or understood any of that to be metaphysical or magical. ?????
One worry I have is that everyone is very HYPED all over the threads and posts. I hope the most aren’t building themselves up so much that they will inevitably be disappointed.
If they didn’t want her to be a kid, they could have simply not mentioned her age in Season 5. I imagine they had at least some idea of their ideas for the North in Season 6 when they wrote that stuff.
This is what I’d also like to know. Maybe the show won’t address it and we’ll just assume whoever is next in line gets each place.
The Hornwoods are probably joining the Starks, so I doubt ownership will change.
My guess is that Last Hearth goes to whichever Umber is next in line after Smalljon (or an Umber who married into another family). If there’s nobody left, I have no idea. Maybe Jon and Sansa give it to Tormund and he populates The Gift with Wildlings. That would be ironic lol.
Karhold probably goes to the next in line after Lord Karstark. It could be someone in the family or someone who married into another Northern house. Just like the Umbers, they’ve probably had daughters or sons married into other families.
The Boltons will probably get wiped out, so unless Walda’s baby makes it, I don’t know what will happen. I’ve always wanted Jon to become Lord of the Dreadfort lol. But I doubt that is happening.
Flayed Potatoes,
Ser Davos will need a ‘little spot’ if he survives….
Quite possibly.
Ser Davos, Lord of Karhold CONFIRMED! lol
Talk show cast visits this week:
Monday (tonight): Emilia on with James Corden
Tuesday: Alfie, Iwan & McElhatton together on Kimmel
Wednesday: Lena on Corden
Friday: Nikolaj on with Colbert
I didn’t think I could like Davos any more. That’s some Grade A Candor.
About the Mormonts and the added focus on Longclaw in the trailers for season 6:
Who else thinks Davos (or maybe Jon) will use the fact that Commander Mormont changed the pommel from a bear to a wolf as a symbol of Mormont pledging support to Jon or the Starks in general? A Valyrian Steel sword is a family heirloom. The Old Bear deciding to change the pommel should carry some symbolic weigth with his relatives…
Yes or no?
In one of the vids at the IGN article they ask some of them about JS theories they’ve heard and at the end, Dean Chapman all matter of fact like insists Jon’s dead, he’s a “loser”, a goner and not coming back. That’s mean 🙁 A loser? I hope Tommen loses his crown. Doesnt deserve it anyways, letting poor Marg rot in the cell.
We got one from cnbc on the friday before the premiere last year.
I don’t think Lord Cerwyn is going to be debating anything. Ramsay flayed his mother and father alive because they wouldn’t pay their taxes. He is going to be all for attacking the Boltons. I imagine it will be the Karstarks and Umbers and several lower houses messing with the parlay.
I’m actually not too pissed that they seem to be giving some Manderly stuff away to the Mormonts. It makes sense for show watchers, to have this stuff centered around a house they already know.
Also, in case you never saw the unedited version of Lyanna’s note to The Mannis, it’s here lol http://aerysii.tumblr.com/post/117038576615
Clob,
Thanks so much for that list! Will set my DVR and try to stay up if possible!
Sean C.,
Cat was against it, I do remember this as well. It was while the were marching to the red wedding.
More like Rickon’s, they are around the same age. That has been my book guess too for a while ( despite book Rickon being a bit younger than her).
Nope, never happened in the show.
Kit Hairyton,
I believe that 110% of your statistics are entertaining!
Sue the Fury,
joffreysbleedingeyes,
I once again want to join in. My Android Chrome is also up to date, but I still have the problem.
I hope,hope,hope
Perhaps Rickon/Leanna Mormont in the future?
My take of it.
He can’t spend time going every place and Bear Island is more pronounced in show then White Harbor.
I Need Help, I want this year an HBO Now subspriction for an non Apple-Laptop, but I’m lost how to do that.
I didn’t found an phone-number on the HBO-Website, even in the Impressum is not one, and I don’t want to fill an helprequest or send an E-mail, because I’m done with that in general.
I live in Europe, but I don’t want a SKY-abo, because it would have a whole package I would not like to pay and i wouldn’t work without a TV and I know how much monopol they have on football in Europe and this I dont’t like either.
Can anybody help me, because this year I would like to watch and support Game of Thrones, by an subscription.
I would be very very glad for a good dummie-help!
Thanks in forward!
A helpless
I have a question concerning the Bolton/WW connection. Were the Bolton’s the main power in the North during the first long night? I believe I read it somewhere they were, then the Stark’s became the power thousands of year ago, after the Bolton’s lost their position.
Oh! and Go Lyanna; I’m team Lyanna this season, finally meeting the actress and character behind that awesome up urs message to the Mannis. HBO did a good job keeping mum about the role and the actress cast for it.
Does BR warg someone for a second life?
It’s weird that they’re not just coming out and doing in-depth interviews about CLEGANEBOWL… I mean if you consider all the myriad ways I’ve confirmed it, it seems kind of silly and stubborn to keep it under wraps.
off-topic… does anybody have experience using HBO NOW strictly on a Roku or Amazon Fire TV (or something similar?) My phone and tablet are both apparently too old to run the app, and everything I can find says you can only sign up by way of the mobile app, which seems dumb if it’s not going to have broad support across different devices…
What if Sansa gives him the change of name?
with
before or after certain events.
Does BR warg someone for a second life?
YOU ARE BRILLIANT!
Weimhunter,
If Tree Gods could easily “warg” dead bodies, then the White Walker’s army would be a time bomb against them. However, as we saw two years ago, the Tree Gods and their servants have to destroy wights: they cannot turn use them or turn them.
The Mormonts also include two prominent supporting characters from show: the Friendzone Knight, and the Mentor Night Watch Leader.
True: but keep in mind that these might be two separate entreaties. We know that both Sansa and Davos appear in the main Mormont hall: but given the very different lighting and the fact that Davos should be visible with Sansa given his position relative to the chandelier, I suspect that they are there one separate occasions. My guess is that Davos is sent out by Jon to try to rally support and/or find Rickon: this basically would be a modification of what happens in the books where
Sansa has no authority to do that. Moreover, she would have zero incentive to do so: she would first support Rickon, and if Rickon dies, she would then support herself. She is the trueborn daughter of Ned Stark, after all, and trueborns come before bastards. Sansa also would be accepted before Jon, due to Jon’s being a bastard; oh, and also due to his being a traitor to the realm and all!
That’s not quite how second lives work!
The prior long-night was thousands of years before. It is considered only a legend by the northerners. What the truth of it is, we will never know: but the reality would be that none of those names would have been involved. (No family names stretch back anywhere near that far in reality!) Instead, what they would know is that the legends would have been rewritten to include the prominent families.
This should put it into perspective: having the Westerosi remember the Long Night even through legends is as ridiculous as having Europeans remember mammoths!
Of course, one incredibly unrealistic aspect of Song and nearly every other “epic fantasy” story ever written is that countries and families last centuries, and the world gets stuck in a medieval level in which our world stayed for less than a millenium.
David H,
The nights watch asked all wanna be kings to help defend the wall from the wilding attack. Stannis was the only one to respond.
Cersei’s Brain,
Thank you! I’ve been cleaning the browser for many times, but it still doesn’t refresh automatically.
Ygritte,
Dean in general just seems like an arrogant person from what I’ve seen. He seems really full of himself, acting like his character is the shit when Tommen is a complete loser and annoying when he comes on screen.
He might’ve just been joking in the video though and it just didn’t come out the way he hoped.
But they did do that with Tommen. Told us his age in an early season that he then came back last season a new Tommen, older…not by much but older.
“Bran has really got to get his act together, and he’s still got many teenage, hubristic tendencies. He’s still making some silly decisions with his powers.”
Bran is using his superpowers to spy on Meera naked
OMG, I am so glad SOMEONE asked this question thank you Flayed! Yes WHEN??
teunteulai,
And maybe warging Hodor more than he should.
Debi49,
If both survive, it could be a possible marriage alliance between the two houses
While that is often true, and it least to same degree at is for ASoIaF as well, the books and the show (in things like the little lore films on the Blu-rays) make it clear that the world has gone to time periodes and wasn’t always medieval. – And a time period of less than a millenium is too short btw. The (European) Middle Ages go roughly from the 5th to the 15th century.
you’ll find it interesting to read
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Bolton
LOL “eat a dick”
I am not so sure that Sansa would be accepted before Jon by everyone. She has spent the last couple of years in the South learning Southern politics. The North and the South are different. Sansa does not really know much about the North or about battles.
There are many looming battles in their future. I am going to guess that some bannermen would rather see Jon in charge then Sansa.
Both Sansa and Jon have points that count in their favor and points against them. The succession in the North could be a complicated matter, especially if Rickon is taken out of the equation.
The way in which Liam Cunningham describes this scene sounds very similar to Hardhome. Where Jon give a speech to the Wildlings and Tormund explained matters a bit further to the Wildlings. If Jon is actually present in this scene with Lyanna Mormont, then this scene could be a bit of a call back to the scene at Hardhome.
Helpless,
you might want to contact the mods if no one responds. Go to the top of the page that says ‘contact us’ and write in your question. they are very good about responding
Boudica,
Nicely said.
Davos and Sansa seems to be in the same place, but maybe it’s a different one. I’m leaning more towards being it separate places. These halls in North looks similiar. It could be anywhere. Anyway, if Davos is gathering support, then what is Jon doing? Sitting on his ass? Hardly, he needs to do something, so he might go there too or some surprising twist.
Sansa from the trailer seems to be one of the riders looking at the Boltons beating Wildlings and Northerners loyal to Starks or willing to fight with Wildlings and co. Not White Walkers as someone suggested here. Means she’s not part of rallying and with someone else like Vale?
ash,
Thanks! I’ll do that.
It might go down like this:
But that’s just me speculating 😀
New trailer on the GOT Facebook page! Holy WWs!!
How does that follow? Everything they’ve been saying about this story indicates Sansa’s in the North rallying support this season.
why not google or whatever search engine it.
Apollo,
link?
No, it´s 6 days and 18 hours and 10 minutes for American people, for us Europeans it´s 7 days …. 🙁
One of the KG has a 2 handed long sword
#Dawn
But from the leaks we know it is the KG that dual weilds ends up last standing not Dayne …
Bran is standing infront of a frozen OER tree in his vision before he sees the NK…
Collin,
Yeah he was probably joking, but I could tell he’s a smart ass 🙂 Matter of fact, even in the show I thought the actor playing Tommen has a stuck up look to him lol. I’ll give him this much, he’s a decent enough actor when you compare his real personality with the wide eyed innocent boy in the wedding night scene for example. Speaking of which, did you ever catch the Tormund actor off screen? I did for first time yesterday and was blown away by just how different is his voice and demeanor.
is the site down in the uk?
The homepage is not showing anything new for 2 days – the countdown is showing 6 days 16 hrs – but it does change if i click onto a story
Stargaryen,
I agree. The book makes it very clear that Stannis is trying to save the realm in order to win the crown. TV got this backwards. I cannot tell you how many unsullied I have seen ask “Why did Stannis sacrifice his daughter for a chair? That doesn’t even make any sense, because he had no heir” or “Why did he turn away from the real threat – the White Walkers – and head south again in pursuit of a chair?”
But it is water under the bridge at this point. Here’s to hoping that the S6 plot is less full of deep holes and doesn’t radically change the ethical choices made by major characters (which, of course, is the core of any story).
Test…..
Yes, she is and if I recall correctly, Stannis confirms this while reading her famously short letter to Davos.
is there a problem with the website?
missing out on some GOT news
Anyone notice the count down timer is still on 6 days and it is really 4 days until the premier.
Blushing time…
Takes one to know one, I guess. 🙂
I also wonder whether all these can fit into one single episode
(e.g. as early as #2 or #3)
Are you guys alive?
Debunkdattrunk,
Uh yeah? If you’re not seeing new posts, it may be because the entire website has moved to a new server, as of a few days ago. Your computer may not be caught up with the change. Manually clear your cache and your browsing history completely, and delete your bookmark of the site if you have one since your computer may be redirecting you to our old server still. And make sure you have the newest version of your browser possible. That should take care of any issue with the site not showing a new post.
Sue the Fury,
Thanks. Internetting is hard.