Jon & Arya reunite and much more in 2 new Game of Thrones Season 8 TV spots!

This reunion has been coming for 67 episodes!

This reunion has been coming for 67 episodes!

It appears that season eight trailer we analyzed to death may be the only one we ever get, but don’t despair: here are some TV spots instead! Very much like the trailer, these promos focus on the first half of the season, but with some new footage, including what looks like Jon and Arya reuniting; Tyrion and Jaime echoing striking lines said to them in the past; more from the Battle of Winterfell; and maybe even a hint of Jon flying Rhaegal.

In the first TV spot, the familiar trailer shot of Jon standing by Winterfell’s heart tree is followed by a new reverse shot in which we see Arya is there for Jon, in what’s likely part of the reunion we’ve been waiting for ever since they said goodbye in “The Kingsroad.” Sam says “Think back to where we started,” and Jon seemingly replies “Now it’s just us.”

In another continuation to a previous trailer shot, we see Daenerys is joined by Jorah; Rhaegal approaches Winterfell’s northwestern side and the enormous encampment around it (the VFX look beautiful!); Varys, Tyrion, and Davos look up at a dragon, though that’s not something that would shock these three… unless Jon Snow is riding Rhaegal, of course!; Jon lights the candles of a statue in Winterfell’s crypts, as we hear him say “We need to end this war”; in another trailer shot, this time we can hear Jaime scream “Run!” or perhaps “Draw!” (for what it’s worth, the Russian trailer dubbed it “Bronn!”); we get a panoramic of the battle inside Winterfell’s walls; the Unsullied point the spears to the enemy; and, finally, Jaime echoes the words with which Brienne shocked him during last season’s finale, saying “This goes beyond loyalty. This is about survival.”

In terms of new footage, the second promo shows Tyrion taking the stage in Winterfell’s Great Hall, with Sansa and Dany at the great table behind him, trying to convince the Lords of the North with a similar speech to the one Davos gave Dany and Tyrion last season, except Tyrion gets even more to the point: “We must fight together now. Or die.”

Next, Jon turns away from Dany, whose back is to us as she looks into the hearth; Beric, fiery sword in hand, shouts at a paralyzed Sandor; Daenerys reacts to something in Winterfell’s courtyard; the Unsullied close ranks, forming a phalanx with their dragonglass-coated shields; Jon wildly swings at the camera and Cersei violently turns to it (poor cameraman); in the middle of a blizzard, the Unsullied form a shield wall, with spears at the ready; and, in a orange-tinged Winterfell, Arya fights with her stick.

So, do you believe we got a reaction to Jon riding Rhaegal? How will Arya’s reunion with Jon continue? Will the Hound overcome his fear of fire during the Battle of Winterfell? Is Jaime really shouting “Bronn”? Who will get out of that battle alive… and who will not?

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    1. Jon actually says, ” Now its Just Us”
      not ” that was Just Us”

      Probably meanig that him and Sam are the only ones that remain from the NW, and edd is dead.

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    2. why haven’t they shared those teasers in youtube or twitter, or instagram and other platforms. does it mean that we are going to get a full trailer?

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    3. Viserion approaches Winterfell’s northwestern side and the enormous encampment around it

      Bitch, where?

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    4. Mass:
      why haven’t they shared those teasers in youtube or twitter, or instagram and other platforms. does it mean that we are going to get a full trailer?

      This is indeed very odd. I was waiting with 20 tabs open for the trailer or the promo to drop on their official handles, lol.

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    5. Lol:
      Jon actually says, ” Now its Just Us”not ” that was Just Us”

      Probably meanig that him and Sam are the only ones that remain from the NW, and edd is dead.

      Edd is in the trailer with Beric and Tormund. Maybe he’s talking to Edd and Sam.

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    6. Rizwan:
      Will we get a 2nd trailer from HBO before 14th?

      Very unlikely. Did they release two full-length trailers before the release of previous seasons? IIRC they didn’t.

      Teaser –> Trailer —> TV spots —> Season release

      …is the usual order.

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    7. Also, the shot of Dany and Jon is in Dragonstone – the Painted Table’s hearth specifically. So that looks like it’s episode 4.

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    8. Fenny:
      Also, the shot of Dany and Jon is in Dragonstone – the Painted Table’s hearth specifically. So that looks like it’s episode 4.

      Episode 4 of Season 8? I don’t believe that. Aren’t Dany and Jon supposed to arrive in Winterfell in the first episode? Why would they go to Dragonstone in episode 4? If anything, these shots in Dragonstone seem to be from the first few minutes of S8 as they prepare to depart for Winterfell. Just a guess.

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    9. We thought about Arya using a face to have a first glimse at Jon and Dany as they approach WF – couldn’t it be Arya, the child (?) who is climbing the wall to look at them arriving in Wintertown?

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    10. Mel,
      Fenny,

      Thank you for comparison. The fireplace is indeed the same. However, there’s a high possibility that the showrunners are reusing the same fireplace to stand in for Winterfell this time. When the first trailer dropped, I had hopes that some of the scenes could be from episodes later than Ep3. However, now I get more and more convinced that all of the scenes in the trailers are and will be from Ep 1-2-3. They are obviously unwilling to reveal anything beyond that.

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    11. “Will the Hound embrace his fear of fire” ?

      Maybe you meant “overcome” ? To “embrace a fear” is kind of weird.

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    12. Lol,

      Thanks! That makes more sense.

      Night’s Queen,

      They already departed Dragonstone in the season seven finale. You may recall a very historic boat sex scene.

      Nick20,

      I guess I’m just not fond of the trope of getting past disabilities or phobias by facing them head on. You learn to live with them, but they don’t go away. Nevertheless, “overcome” may be a better word for it.

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    13. cos alpha,

      Hardly. Arya will still have to change her attire. On the other hand, it doesn’t look like she will be meeting Jon in the courtyard along with Sansa and Bran; therefore, the possibility exists.

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    14. Night’s Queen,

      It’s probable that Dany and the civilians who don’t have fighting roles escaped Winterfell and journeyed to Dragonstone for refuge.

      We already see Jon and Dany leave Dragonstone via boat in the season 7 finale to travel to Winterfell so it HAS to be a scene deep into season 8.

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    15. Jon: “Sorry I got Rhaegal killed…”
      *slowly backs out of the room*
      Like a teenager crashing their new car after just receiving the keys. Lol, jk I hope that’s not what that scene is about but it is rather worrisome.

      I’m loving the bits of Unsullied action. I felt teased in S7 because we only saw a sort of montage of battle so I’m excited they’ll get some great fighting sequences in S8.

      Also is Bronn doing a voiceover in that second teaser? He says “think back to where we started…” i thought it was Qyburn initially but it doesn’t match his pitch. It doesn’t match Edd’s either. Obvioisly I don’t think he’s speaking with Jon since it abruptly ends then Jon’s voice over seemingly finishes “now it’s just us.” I think they edited those two together but don’t actually belong in the same sequence.

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    16. Night’s Queen,

      Them arriving at Winterfell is the very first scene per James Hibberd I doubt they are gonna stay at Winterfell all season. It’s likely they lose the battle in EP3 but win the War in EP5 in the south where Cersei can become involved in some way since Sapo is directing them both. The Winterfell battle to me is Helms Deep in Lord Of The Rings, it was the biggest battle but the biggest battle did not win the war and George has previously said he doesn’t like big battles saving the day for the conclusion, he preferred the way LOTR did it with Frodo destroying the ring.

      S7 trailer had scenes from EP4 and EP6 and this could be from EP4 and it’s just a fireplace so they aren’t giving anything away, not to mention all the cast did interviews as that are on YouTube about their characters during the filming of S8 on the Dragonstone Set and Nikolaj also did a Omaze video on the Dragonstone set.

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    17. Night’s Queen,
      Edward,

      If Jon & Dany survive the Battle of Winterfell (and it’s legit to assume they do), they will go to King’s Landing. Therefore, a stop at Dragonstone makes sense: Jon might leave Dany there, before he goes to treat with Cersei,

      as the photos from Dubrovnink imply

      or similar. However, as I have already written, there’s a porribilty that the showrunners ar reusing the Dragonstone fireplace at Winterfell set.

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    18. Inga,

      They showed plenty of fireplaces last season in Winterfell and they look completely different, since it’s probably not that noticeable to the general audience chances are a lot of people wouldn’t recognise the fireplace so they probably saw no issue putting it in and we’re more like this shot shows serious Dany and Jon. I mean only avid GOT Stans would put all that work into breaking down a few second fireplace in the promo lol

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    19. Inga,

      It does make sense to stop at Dragonstone especially if they lose Winterfell since the dead can’t swim, the army can’t reach them. Put all their non fighting people there while they reach KL by boat if the dead make it there so the dead can only attack them once they reach the shore I think a lot of people thought Riverrun or the Vale but those places can get taken over quite easily by the dead

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    20. Night’s Queen: Very unlikely. Did they release two full-length trailers before the release of previous seasons? IIRC they didn’t.

      Teaser –> Trailer —> TV spots —> Season release

      …is the usual order.

      They’ve revealed 2 full trailers numerous times.

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    21. Mel,

      I don’t see how that is possible. Vanity Fair, Business Insider and several other fairly mainstream publications publish the most detailed shot by shot breakdowns of those trailers.

      As a result, it is not just avid GoT Fans that find out about this stuff.

      Seems like a big fuck up to include that or they just got lazy and resused a fireplace set.

      I guess we will know soon enough

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    22. Jack Bauer 24: Edd is in the trailer with Beric and Tormund. Maybe he’s talking to Edd and Sam.

      From the trailers this time, my guess is Viserion is coming from NW after wiping out Night’s watch, which was then found out by Sam & John. However, we know that once Tormund and Beric found Edd… they’d escaped, or already left for WF. Beric is in the trailers, so it’s not just Sam & Jon left from the night’s watch. Edd survives…. at least until the final wars with the dead.

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    23. Mel,

      I hope you are right. After all, they didn’t dismantle Dragonstone set after last season which implies that we are going to see it once again. And as I said, stopping at Dragonston before going to King’s Landing makes sense.

      BTW, I have also noticed some interesting details regarding the shots in the crypts. First of all, there are two different shots of Jon in the crypts. Jon is wearing a different attire in the recent one: we can clearly see his gorget decorated with direwolf heads. Meanwhile, in the one from the trailer where Dany was approaching, Jon was wearing the lambsin coat he wore when approaching the dragons or in the fighting scenes. So, I assume, the recent scene in the crypts will be the first and the one with Dany will come later, maybe, right before the battle.
      Secondly, in the recent scene Jon is clealy lighting a candle by his mother’s statue: we can see Ned’s statue in the background to the right. I wonder why Jon extinguishes another candle. Does that mean that he’s angry at Ned?

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    24. Fenny:
      Also, the shot of Dany and Jon is in Dragonstone – the Painted Table’s hearth specifically. So that looks like it’s episode 4.

      Curious… do you suppose unused S7 footage that worked well here in S8 trailer?
      Or, do you suppose it’s after the battle for WF?

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    25. Inga:
      Night’s Queen,
      Edward,

      If Jon & Dany survive the Battle of Winterfell (and it’s legit to assume they do), they will go to King’s Landing. Therefore, a stop at Dragonstone makes sense: Jon might leave Dany there, before he goes to treat with Cersei,

      or similar. However, as I have already written, there’s a porribilty that the showrunners ar reusing the Dragonstone fireplace at Winterfell set.

      *shudder* I just got the weirdest “Cersei is going to torture and murder Jon” vibe from reading your post. She may use him to get Dany if he did leave her on Dragonstone – or she may murder him anyway if it’s public knowledge he is the true Targaryen heir (Tyrion did warn him after all in The Dragon and the Wolf). This would be the absolute worst ending for Jon.

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    26. Inga:
      Mel,

      Secondly, in the recent scene Jon is clealy lighting a candle by his mother’s statue: we can see Ned’s statue in the background to the right. I wonder why Jon extinguishes another candle. Does that mean that he’s angry at Ned?

      Just a curiosity. Jon says, ‘we must end this war’. Did he really mean the white walker war? Seems most likely, but what if this is after the war and he’s now thinking about his heritage, that he was the rightful heir to throne and false lies of Baratheon led to that war and all the ones thereafter (excepting with the dead)? If so, he may be ready to take on Kings Landing and end the false Lannister rule. And, revenge the honor of his mother, who was the rightful queen.

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    27. Rych:
      Shouldn’t we get the first episode title (and official description) by now?

      Red Carpet premiere is Wednesday night, so should be soon. Unless they just wait until the day of the episodes to add it to the HBO schedule this time around.

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    28. Mass:
      why haven’t they shared those teasers in youtube or twitter, or instagram and other platforms. does it mean that we are going to get a full trailer?

      Sometimes they don’t add the TV spots on their official channels.

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    29. Inga,

      Yeah I noticed that too, what I also noticed is at the council behind Tyrion Dany is still wearing the white coat so I actually think since she also wears the white coat in the crypts that’s probably what she wears when she learns the truth about Jon and notices his removed his Stark armour (it would be funny if he threw it down like a spoiled child, doubtful though) he probably learns in the end of EP1 than Dany sees him in the beginning of EP2. I think since Michele Clapton called her darker more Targaryen style outfits a uniform of sorts, Dany doesn’t start wearing her recently released promo photos outfit with the charcoal and red until after she finds out the truth about Jon and it’s a barrier of sorts to protect herself and her heart while the white expressed her more open softer side. She’ll probably stay in dark colours for quite awhile after that but then we have the similar version to the white coat from the EW Photoshoot which is a white suede dress with soft rounded shoulders no Targaryen sharp corners that she probably wears near the conclusion of the show, just a theory.

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    30. cos alpha:
      We thought about Arya using a face to have a first glimse at Jon and Dany as they approach WF – couldn’t it be Arya, the child (?) who is climbing the wall to look at them arriving in Wintertown?

      Why would she disguise herself at Wintertown?

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    31. It had been so long since he had last seen Arya. What would she look like now? Would he even know her? Arya underfoot. Her face was always dirty. Would she still have that little sword he’d had Mikken forge for her? Stick them with the pointy end, he’d told her.

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    32. Che,

      Olli,

      IMO, Jon will come to KL as a rightful heir to the throne: by episode 4 his lineage should already be a public knowledge or the very least Cersei should find that out through Qyburn’s spies. However, Jon might offer Cersei to renouce his claim, if she allows him to defend KL. I believe, that Winterfell will be defended, although at great cost, and then the Night King will turn on KL to recruit more soldiers for his undead army; Jon will find that through Bran or otherwise and being Jon will try to save 1 million souls at any cost. If the scene of Jon & Dany by the fireplace indeed happens in Dragonstone, it should be right before Jon goes to treat with Cersei and that might be an explanation why Dany looks so hostile and that mingh be an explanation why Jon is talking about the need “to end this war”. It should be referring to the war amongs the living; the war with death never ends and, even if the Night King is defeated, it will take some different form.

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    33. Mel,

      Hell, you are right about Dany’s attires! She’ll be wearing her white coat during the first assembly in the great hall and that leaves the darker attire for Ep2 (maybe, end of Ep1), whereas the white leather coat from EW promo photos (at least it looks like leather to me) will appear by the end. Therefore, we can conclude that Dany won’t turn to the dark side at the end, although she will be having a darker period in midseason.

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    34. Dany realizes she is preggers, jon/tyrion convince her to fly back to dragonstone, he’s escorting her on Rhaegal. That’s the scene with them flying through the north. He departs for WF at end of episode 2, arrives during battle. The point, there are options otherwise that would be too huge a spoiler for a teaser.

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    35. Inga,

      Yep, I think the dress is either suede or leather. Also similar for Sansa with the pitch black fish scaled dress she’s gonna wear. Hopefully at the end all will give up their gothic black outfits and go for more spring coloured clothes to show their faith in their new brighter futures

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    36. I heard “Bronn” and by the way Jaime’s face looks it makes me sad. I think he’s seeing Bronx either dying or in a desperate fight situation about to be deadly for him. 😔

      Definitely a Jon on Rhaegal flying situation there, or those three would hardly bat an eye. I am a bit surprised but pleased that Dany and Jon solve at least a bit of their family issue as she’s helping him fly on her dragon. Or maybe she even makes it a gift to Jon!

      I am extremely happy to hear and see so much Jaime btw. ☺️ He never got that much coverage before in trailers and such if I recall correctly.

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    37. Lol,

      Oh! I didn’t think of that. How terrible it now seems.

      cos alpha,

      True, but he started the whole fighting the Others and knowing Sam in the NW. I really think he’s thinking of the men of NW in that sentence and very likely talking of these men that died and of which only him and Sam are left.

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    38. Dee Stark:
      OT: Do we know if any cast will be appearing on talk shows (ellen/late night) etc??

      Yeah here’s the master list so far https://headlineplanet.com/home/2019/03/28/game-of-thrones-stars-upcoming-tv-appearances/

      Starting tonight with Maise through next week leading into the premeire. Kit and Emilia will be on the Graham Norton show next Friday the 12th, and Kit is hosting SNL on the 13th, the night before the premiere.

      The Red Carpet premiere is Wednesday night in NYC as well, so we should have a lot of interviews.

      https://www.instagram.com/p/BvtOxgRhBBy/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=eghjkw469mpw

      Pilou is on his way to NYC now and Emilia and Maisie have been spotted as well.

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    39. I would be fine at this point not having a second trailer, it’s less than 2 weeks and the hype train will not slow down now… maybe the showrunners break the wheel this season 🙂

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    40. Edward: It’s probable that Dany and the civilians who don’t have fighting roles escaped Winterfell and journeyed to Dragonstone for refuge.

      Otherwise known as a RETREAT! Is this the 3rd or 4th time now that Jon Co. have faced the AOTD and had to retreat? There’s a message in there somewhere, for him.

      It’s time for Dany to stop deferring to Tyrion and Jon! She needs to take hold of her own destiny, like she always has, and take hold of whatever forces she has left and not let those guys dictate how to proceed.

      And of course they’d go to Dragonstone. It’s either his place, or hers, and Winterfell is presumed to have fallen. There’s nowhere else for them to go. It’s a well fortified home base.

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    41. So HBO added these to the HD versions to their YT channel for about 20 minutes then took them down for some reason.

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    42. mmk:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Thanks for all this great info Jack!Small correction–I believe Kit Harington hosts SNL on April 6, not the 13th.

      No problem, and yes you are correct. It’s the 6th.

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    43. « Cersei violently turns to the camera (poor cameraman) » HAHAHA I thought the exact same thing, damn I just love that Cersei shot she looks so imperial

      By the way, am I the only one who has serious Star Wars vibes watching this TV spot? I wonder if it’s the music, the atmosphere or something else but I don’t know it makes me think of the kind of trailers Star Wars 7 and 8 delivered, particularly that Cersei shot

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    44. I believe in episode 2 Jaime will arrive to Winterfell, revealing Cersei isn’t coming. And we’ll probably also find out Dany is pregnant.

      I could see Jon convincing her to go to Dragonstone. She isn’t happy about it and doesn’t look back at him (by the fireplace) as he leaves back for Winterfell.

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    45. Inga,

      I think you’ve cracked the case, honestly. Emilia also mentioned in a recent interview that Dany’s arc had a clear throughline this season. And her various ensembles we’ve seen in the promo materials definitely hint at this. She’ll have a really tough mid-season and go to a dark place before ultimately choosing the light and good.

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    46. Ya know, I never thought of Jon as a religious man, yet there he is at the weirwood looking like Nedd from behind.

      I hope that finding out who he is will give him a new purpose. No more suicidal missions and begging for scraps because he thinks he’s a bastard. I hope he brings honour to his Targaryen heritage and secures it’s future survival. His dead mom and dad have been ghosts haunting him from the very start. It’s time to face the truth.

      Re Dragonstone. A long time ago I read some supposed ‘leaks’ about them retreating there… but I never know if that stuff is legit.

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    47. Anyone want to bet that jon telling it’s just two of us is actually him speaking with dany about last Targs in the story ..

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    48. Kevin1989:
      Jaime: bronn!!
      Bronn: I think you owe me 3 castles now.

      I’m so sick of that money-grubbing sellsword glib asshole, named Bronn. He doesn’t deserve any castles.. not unless he acquits himself with honor in some way.

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    49. Inga,

      Well Jon has no proof he’s the ‘heir’ other than Bran’s word and given there are thousands of undead on their butt’s and a nasty guy with a dragon and a powerful throwing arm, I hardly think anyone is going to start a debate about who is the rightful heir? If the North is defeated in episode 3 then Jon is King of nothing anymore and Dany is Queen of nothing as well as all her allies are dead or defeated. Not to mention until Cersei is ‘dead’ or abdicates, she is still the Queen and quite possibly Euron is now King if she marries him after he fulfills his promise to deliver the Gold Cloaks.

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    50. Edward,

      When you thin of it, Dany’s return to Dragonstone was foreshadowed. In Ep 707 Euron told her: “I’m going back to my island, you should go back to yours; when winter is over, we’ll be the last ones standing.” My guess has been that after Jon’s lineage reveal, when everyone acclaims Jon king, Danly will storm out and fly to Dragonstone. This also opens a possibility for her to interact with Euron one or other way: the look Euron gave her, when she arrived to the Dragon pit, definitely showed that he was still interrested. What goes against such scenarion, is that Dany’s armies are present at the battle of Winterfell. I can imagine the Unsullied to be convinced to stay: there was a bit of foreshadowing for Grey Worm & Missandei starting to make their own decisions, instead of simply following Dany. However, when it comes to the Dothraki, I can’t imagine them following anyone but Dany till she’s alive. Therefore, I assume that my initial guess was whrong and that Dany will keep her oath to destroy the Night King. Contraversies with Jon should arise later, when they are discussing what to do with Cersei and King’s Landing.

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    51. Daenerys is joined by Jorah; Viserion approaches Winterfell’s northwestern side and the enormous encampment around it; Jon lights the candles of a statue in Winterfell’s crypts

      I’ve watched this segment, paused and slowly advanced it about thirty times and I still don’t know how you’re determining that it’s Viserion.? People are also just kind of mulling around down by the camp in broad daylight which seems a bit odd if the NK was flying around overhead.

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    52. It doesn’t sound like Jaime is saying Bronn to me.

      It sounds more like “draw” or “drop”. He’s clearly standing on the battlements and the next shot in the trailer shows soldiers all the along the battlements in the same sort of smoke and flames.

      So he may be commanding archers or dropping oil on the wights.

      I really don’t get this desire to find a way to shoehorn Bronn into the battle in The North. Why would Bronn go north with Jaime to face almost certain death at this point? Did he fight The Mountain for Tyrion? No.

      He said to Jaime in 7×05: “Dragons are where our partnership ends. I’m not gonna be around when those things start spitting fire on King’s Landing.” Why would he ride north to fight dragons and zombies, rather than stay in King’s Landing and accept whatever promotion Cersei might offer him?

      I know Jerome Flynn and Lena Headey don’t get on. But they’ve managed to go 6 seasons without filming together, despite their characters being in the same location, so I don’t know why this would need to change now. Qyburn could act as a convenient go-between.

      It doesn’t make any sense to me for Bronn to follow Jaime north. And it makes even less sense for them to include Jaime audibly shouting his name in the trailer.

      Maybe I’ll be wrong. But I don’t buy it.

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    53. I certainly think that is Dragonstone as well. Makes sense. I think it’s becoming increasingly obvious they are going to lose Winterfell and will need somewhere to retreat to. I’m guessing the scene is Jon telling Dany he must treat with Cersei because now that the North is overrun, Cersei can no longer remain uninvolved. Dany doesn’t like it, but that’s too bad because Jon is going anyway.

      Interesting about Dragonstone is that would be two chances for Cersei to have taken military control of the empty castle, and two times she did not. I wonder if that will come back to bite her. Especially this time. If they needed a place to go when fleeing, and Dragonstone was heavily fortified by Lannister soldiers…the fleeing party probably would have been toast.

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    54. Jack Bauer 24,

      Hey, thank you too, Jack!
      I’ve got my DVR set to record Maisie Williams on Jimmy Fallon tonight, and on Good Morning America with Sophie T. tomorrow morning. I guess I’ll record Kit H. hosting Saturday Night Live too…

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    55. Luka Nieto: I meant Rhaegal and I can’t believe I made that mistake.

      Okay, thanks! I spent way too much time trying to make it out as Viserion and wasn’t getting there. Ha!

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    56. kathy,

      I don’t believe that the North is going to be defeated at the battle of Winterfell. It just doesn’t make sense storywise. The living have everything they need: armies, dragonglass, 4 Valyrian steel swords, 3-Eyed-Raven, etc. Melisandre should come back with reinforcements from Essos, too: could be red priests and/or just an army of the Red God followers. So, it’s about time to start winning, because, if they lose, retreat to Dragonstone is poitless. In such case, they should retreat to Essos and prepare for the defence there: the winter is supposed to be the coldest in the millenium, so, even the Narrow See may freeze and form an ice bridge for White Walkers.

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    57. It stinks that Maisie is the second guest tonight after Tracy Morgan on Fallon. I just know Jimmy will get carried away with Tracy and won’t leave much time for Maisie. :/

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    58. Enharmony1625,

      “It had been so long since he had last seen Arya. What would she look like now? Would he even know her? Arya underfoot. Her face was always dirty. Would she still have that little sword he’d had Mikken forge for her? Stick them with the pointy end, he’d told her.”

      ________
      In the event GRRM doesn’t reach Jon & Arya’s reunion, I sure hope the show does it justice.

      The book passage you quoted (“What would she look like now? Would he even know her?“) poses dramatic possibilities. I don’t care if some people call it “fan service” or “fan fiction”: I’d like a scene in which Jon sees Arya in action but doesn’t realize it’s her … until he recognizes Needle.
      They’d better have a warm embrace, and he’d better crack a smile. He can go back to brooding afterwards…

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    59. Inga: Melisandre should come back with reinforcements from Essos, too: could be red priests and/or just an army of the Red God followers

      Per my wishful scenario she brings back the Fiery Hand. awoiaf:

      The Fiery Hand is a group of slave soldiers employed as guards for the red temple of R’hllor in the Free City of Volantis. The Fiery Hand contains a thousand soldiers, never more and never less. Each of these soldiers is a slave of R’hllor. They wear ornate armor over their orange robes, and wield spears with points shaped as writhing flames. As per custom of Volantis, these slaves have flames tattooed across their cheeks.

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    60. Luka Nieto:
      Inga,

      The battle is in episode three. There are 3 more episodes. Do the math 😉

      I suppose its always possible the last three episodes are dedicated to resolving the political situation in Westeros after the WW are defeated and how the humans end up fighting each other again as the TV guide article implied.

      although seems unlikely.

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    61. Clob: Okay, thanks!I spent way too much time trying to make it out as Viserion and wasn’t getting there.Ha!

      I’m glad I’m not the only one! 😂

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    62. Ramsay's 20th Good Man: Why would he ride north to fight dragons and zombies, rather than stay in King’s Landing and accept whatever promotion Cersei might offer him?

      I can’t imagine Cersei is going to offer Bronn a promotion. I don’t recall her having any particular use for him. She was also upset with Bronn last season for brokering the Tyrion/Jaime meeting in KL.

      For what it’s worth, I don’t think Jaime is shouting “Bronn” either.

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    63. Inga:
      kathy,

      I don’t believe that the North is going to be defeated at the battle of Winterfell. It just doesn’t make sense storywise. The living have everything they need: armies, dragonglass, 4 Valyrian steel swords, 3-Eyed-Raven, etc. Melisandre should come back with reinforcements from Essos, too: could be red priests and/or just an army of the Red God followers. So, it’s about time to start winning, because, if they lose, retreat to Dragonstone is poitless. In such case, they should retreat to Essos and prepare for the defence there: the winter is supposed to be the coldest in the millenium, so, even the Narrow See may freeze and form an ice bridge for White Walkers.

      I’ll put this in spoiler coding as it was from the filming news, which I don’t know if you followed:

      https://watchersonthewall.com/major-new-game-of-thrones-season-8-spoilers-out-of-the-winterfell-set/

      Winterfell is going to burn. They filmed it burning on a night shoot after the battle filming was over and they didn’t return to film there (I believe – I seem to remember we didn’t get any more filming news from that location afterwards, but I may be wrong). So if Winterfell burns, it’s likely that the North have either ‘lost’ the battle in the North and are retreating (through the secret tunnels as many suspect) or they purposefully lured a large chunk of the AOTD into the castle and then set it on fire to take out a huge chunk of the NK’s army. I personally feel this is what Arya may be running from in the trailer, luring WWs and wights deep into the castle. The north is likely to lose the battle (as in, they won’t get the NK), but I believe they will take out a large number of wights in the process and leave the NK with a skeleton crew (no pun intended 😊) to head further south in search of a gigantic army-in-waiting (KL). Maybe the survivors from WF decamp back to Dragonstone and from there, Jon goes to treat with Cersei.

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    64. Clob,

      • Why do you think Jimmy Fallon will spend too much time with Tracy Morgan and shortchange Maisie Williams? Surely he must know that most viewers are tuning in to see ASNAWP. Surely he himself is caught up in the pre-S8 hype. (No offense to Tracy Morgan.)

      • Semi Off Topic: I wish someone would interview Miltos Yerelemou (sp?). I’d like Syrio Forel’s analysis of Arya’s S7e4 sparring match with Brienne, and his speculation about what to expect from Arya’s S8 battle scenes.

      • Back On Topic: According to Luka’s breakdown of the new teaser footage, “Beric, fiery sword in hand, shouts at a paralyzed Sandor Clegane.” (The frames flash by so quickly it’s hard for me to make out details.) Luka asks: “Will the Hound overcome his fear of fire during the Battle of Winterfell?”

      For me, with fires in the background and a fiery sword close by, a related wishful-thinking question is whether Beric falls and Sandor Ahai draws his burning sword from the flames, thus fulfilling Melisandre’s “Warrior of Light” prophecy from S2e1.

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    65. Wolfish,

      based on what we saw in 706, flying to dragonstone is a quick 30 minute flight from Winterfell.

      Che,

      i do wonder about that. we effectively see the castle in these trailers on fire all the way around.

      are we certain what we saw in the filming news is that vs. just what we see in the trailers?

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    66. Luka Nieto,

      I did the math and I’m not taliking about the final victory, only about an intermediate one. Something like Helm’s Deep or the Battle of Castle Black: Winterfell will stand till the sunrise (it has almost been confirmed in Arya’s scene: we can see daylight comming through the windows while she’s running). Then some aid will arrive and the Night King will retreat to get reinforcements. And the best place to get reinfocements for the undead army is King’s Landing, so the story will move there. Meanwhile, evacuation scenario looks unrealistic: how many people can escape Winterfell and how far can they go? Besides that,

      we saw the Unsullied and the Dothraki at King’s Landing, and they, especially the Unsullied, are the most probable gonners, if Winterfell falls

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    67. Ramsay's 20th Good Man: I really don’t get this desire to find a way to shoehorn Bronn into the battle in The North. Why would Bronn go north with Jaime to face almost certain death at this point? Did he fight The Mountain for Tyrion? No.

      … Why would he ride north to fight dragons and zombies, rather than stay in King’s Landing and accept whatever promotion Cersei might offer him?

      I know Jerome Flynn and Lena Headey don’t get on. But they’ve managed to go 6 seasons without filming together, despite their characters being in the same location, so I don’t know why this would need to change now. Qyburn could act as a convenient go-between.

      It doesn’t make any sense to me for Bronn to follow Jaime north. And it makes even less sense for them to include Jaime audibly shouting his name in the trailer.

      There are multiple reasons why Bronn staying in KL under the ’employ’ of Cersei just doesn’t make sense over leaving.

      In the books Cersei believes Bronn had a hand in Tyrion’s escape. No only is he already gone from KL but she has already tried to have him killed. On the show, regardless of the fact that Jerome and Lena won’t film together, anything he’s been rewarded to this point has come directly from Jaime and Tyrion. There is little to believe that Cersei will promise him anything, especially since she doesn’t care for the show version either. The last time she spoke of Bronn was in 7×05 when she asked Jaime if he was going to punish him for betraying him and setting up the meeting with Tyrion without his consent.

      In the French website interview posted last week Jerome spoke about the 55 nights of filming they did for the Winterfell battle as if he was involved.

      The only characters he’s been attached to, his “friends” (Tyrion, Jaime, Pod), are going to the North to fight and possibly die. He has no connection to the characters remaining in KL and it would be unrealistic for him to remain in the story and suddenly be chums with Qyburn and on the opposite side of all of them.

      Beyond any of that but including it, I believe it DOES make sense for Bronn to catch up to Jaime. He’s been known to only do things for selfish reasons that will benefit him. It’s time for him to have character growth and finally do something on his own accord to help those friends for no promised reward. Besides, I think he does believe that Cersei is going to be on the losing side and won’t be able to promise him anything even if she would.

      I do believe that in probably Jaime’s first scene we’ll see Bronn catch up and go with him.

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    68. Clob,

      My problem with the Fiery Hand is that it hasn’t been established in the show. Sure, the showrunners may introduce the temple guards in Ep 2, for instance. But if we go by what has already been established, the red priests were preaching about the wars to come, so, there wouldn’t be a streach to summon the followers to a crusade: that would produce larger numbers, than some temple guards without a sufficient backstory (and it would be hard to tell the backstory of the Fiery Hand with such a limited screetime and give a wibe of deo ex machina).

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    69. Luka Nieto,

      Completely understand. Mine was more a general comment about people’s bizarre enthusiasm for a nonsensical turn of events.

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    70. Just wanted to drop in and thank all the moderators who work so hard to cover everything and present here for us lucky fans. I’m having trouble keeping up with it all- not sure how you stay on top of it. So, thank you! Also, cheers to everyone here who contributes to the hype. STOKED!

      So is that Arya in disguise watching the approaching caravan? Does she wait until Jon is alone at the Weirwood to greet him? I understand the showrunners had to find a way to make the reunion special- but that seems like a bit of a breach of protocol, especially given the royal arrival includes her long lost brother. I suppose it is an echo from Arya’s (quite funny) shenanigans when King Robert arrived…

      Always “Breakin the law, breakin the law” Don’t ever change, Arya.

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    71. Wolfish:
      Dragonbringer,

      I’ll be sorely disappointed if he doesn’t tell her about Maester Aemon.

      Ah yes! “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.”

      PS I’ve always thought how ironic it was that Aemon thought the gods were testing his NW vows when he got the news that the Targaryens in KL had been killed, “even the little chiidren” of Rhaegar. Had Aemon known that “the gods” put him in exactly the right place to one day serve as surrogate grandfather and mentor to Rhaegar’s surviving son, he might have changed his tune.

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    72. House Monty:
      Wolfish,

      based on what we saw in 706, flying to dragonstone is a quick 30 minute flight from Winterfell.

      Che,

      i do wonder about that. we effectively see the castle in these trailers on fire all the way around.

      are we certain what we saw in the filming news is that vs. just what we see in the trailers?

      It may very well be. Those fires do seem relatively low key as there are people on the battlements.

      Whereas the photos of the set on fire made the blaze seem huge – I wonder how people could survive on those walls. Since seeing that filming news article, and the shot of the castle on fire, I have imagine that to be the last bleak shot of episode 3, possibly leading in to a silent credits straight after.

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    73. Team dragon could have fought the ATOD to a stalemate. It can’t be called a victory if the NK is still active and Winterfell is burned to the ground…. although I don’t care too much about saving castles. A lot of people will die in the war.

      The price of a potential stalemate is tens of thousands of lives. I don’t know if it’s worth it. I wonder if Bran is shouldering his responsibilities. He was supposed to be ready for the NK when he arrived. Because he is headstrong like Nedd, he rushed into the visions alone when 3ER told him not to and cut short his training.

      So, here we are…

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    74. I’m thinking the Jon and Arya shot is after his parentage reveal. Maybe she is the one to give him the “You’re a Stark and a Targaryen speech.” Similar to the one he gave Theon last year.

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    75. Che,

      The more I think of that footage of Winterfell burning, the more it looks to me that all the fire is concentrated in the courtyard: the rooves are intact, although that’s where the fire should appear in case of internal ignition. So, I think that the wights will overrun the first wall, the defenders will retreat deeper into the castle throught the second gate – in the trailer we saw the KOTW running towards it, and when the wights flock in the yard and get trapped between the walls, the dragons will attac and burn them all (that fire looked really massive, and there was nothing in the courtyard to produce anything like that). In general, trapping the enemy intramuros was one of the most popular defence tactics in the Middle Ages: that’s why the bestfortified castles had double walls.

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    76. Ten Bears: Ah yes! “A Targaryen alone in the world is a terrible thing.”

      PS I’ve always thought how ironic it was that Aemon thought the gods were testing his NW vows when he got the news that the Targaryens in KL had been killed, “even the little chiidren” of Rhaegar. Had Aemon known that “the gods” put him in exactly the right place to one day serve as surrogate grandfather and mentor to Rhaegar’s surviving son, he might have changed his tune.

      That’s speech was interesting… and Aemon was more of a mentor to Sam than to Jon. I think Sam spent more time with him… as did Gilly.

      Some people think Sam is a secret Targ. I don’t know how I feel about that, but lots of exciting possiblities.

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    77. Che,

      Might this event reveal the identity of the “Warrior of Light” in the ancient prophecy recited by Melisandre in S2e1? We know it wasn’t Stannis.

      (S2e1, Melisandre)
      “After the long summer, darkness will fall heavy on the world. The stars will bleed. The cold breath of winter will freeze the seas, and the dead shall rise in the North.
      In the ancient books, it is written that a warrior will draw a burning sword from the fire. And that sword shall be Lightbringer.
      Stannis Baratheon, Warrior of Light, your sword awaits you. Lord, cast your light upon us. For the night is dark and full of terrors.”

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    78. Anon,

      Well, I’m thinking also that Aemon saved Jon upon his return from the Wildlings by vouching for Jon’s veracity; Aemon cast the deciding vote for Jon as Lord Commander; Jon sought out Aemon’s advice about the Wildling Resettlement Program; and Aemon gave him the benefit of his first-hand experience and lessons about love vs. duty.

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    79. JSchmeh:
      I’m thinking the Jon and Arya shot is after his parentage reveal. Maybe she is the one to give him the “You’re a Stark and a Targaryen speech.” Similar to the one he gave Theon last year.

      I’d like this!

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    80. Clob: On the show, regardless of the fact that Jerome and Lena won’t film together, anything he’s been rewarded to this point has come directly from Jaime and Tyrion.

      Actually, Tyrion and Jaime haven’t really given Bronn anything. I suppose Tyrion probably nominated him for a knighthood after the Blackwater, but it’s not clear and technically he was rewarded by Joffrey.

      Jaime certainly hasn’t rewarded him with anything. In fact, he helped strip him of the reward that he received from Cersei before Tyrion’s trial by combat, presumably for refusing to fight on his behalf. That’s why Bronn has been constantly on Jaime’s back about his hollow promises.

      I disagree slightly about Bronn’s character growth because he’s done quite a lot already for very little reward. I think back to his words before Tyrion’s trial when Tyrion calls them friends and Bronn says, “Aye, we’re friends. And when have you ever risked your life for me?”.

      Bronn has risked his life constantly for those two. I figured that the greater payoff would be if Jaime or Tyrion finally followed through on their promises to him or acted in some way to save his life.

      And that doesn’t necessarily have to happen in The North. When everybody heads back down south, there would still be opportunities for Tyrion or Jaime, assuming one or both survive, to stick their neck out for Bronn.

      I just don’t buy any argument that Bronn would willingly ride towards the apocalypse, rather than see what he can glean from Cersei, now that both unreliable brothers have abandoned him. If he figures that Cersei is doomed then he could always betray Cersei to his advantage at some point. Whereas abandoning Cersei burns that bridge and there’s no guarantee any of them would survive the battle in The North.

      It really doesn’t make much sense.

      I don’t see why him sharing a couple of scenes with Qyburn or Euron would be particularly strange either. Do they really need an existing relationship to share a couple of functional exposition scenes in the first few episodes, before the other characters head back south?

      If Jerome Flynn has suggested he filmed scenes in The North then I suppose that’s how it will go. I’ll believe it when I see it though. And we’ll see if it makes any sense or not depending on what explanation they give for him unnecessarily riding towards certain death.

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    81. Inga,

      To be honest, this is my preferred scenario.

      Narratively speaking, this is the battle that so many of these characters stories have been building to.

      For Jon to retake Winterfell and help forge an alliance with Daenerys to protect the North only to have all of that be for naught and have the North fall just feels unsatisfying.

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    82. Inga: (and it would be hard to tell the backstory of the Fiery Hand with such a limited screetime and give a wibe of deo ex machina)

      You see, I don’t think it is or that they’re something that required a previous reference. It’s not like the dragonbinder or something that just materializes out of nowhere and flips everything on its head. Melisandre went to Volantis to get help, presumably, so one might expect a bunch of red priests and priestesses. Instead of or as well as bringing the soldiers of R’hllor shouldn’t require a previous mention or introduction. It should be sufficient for her to just say, “these are the guards of the red temple of R’hllor.” Not everything falls under deus ex machina, or majorly. It’s 1,000 soldiers – not enough to turn the tide of war, but still helpful, and pretty cool. After all, she never did say what she was going to Volantis for so it’s essentially a secret until she returns.

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    83. Ramsay's 20th Good Man,
      Clob,

      IMO, Bronn will follow Jaime under Cersei’s ordrers. From what he said to Tyrion in Ep 707, I got an impression that, after Tyrion contacted him and asked to arrange the meeting with Jaime, Bronn went to Cersei and arranged the meeting with her permision: “Looing after myself… Put youself at risk… Cersei has two traitors’ heads, etc.” When Cersei asked Jaime, whether he was going to punish Bronn, she could have been just checking: had Jaime asnwered “Yes”, she would have warned him not to. So, once again, I assume that Bronn will be following Jaime under Cersei’s command, although I don’t know what she’s up to: possibly, she regrets that she failed to kill Jaime, when she had a chance, and now is sending Bronn to rectify this.

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    84. Cannot WAIT for the Arya/Jon reunion!!

      On a random note: My friggin’ TV died! Of all things to happen before the new season. Yes, I can watch on the computer but it’s just not the same. Man, what horrible luck. 🙁 #firstworldproblemsiknow

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    85. Aryamad,

      I can fully understand you. My situation is even worse: I bough a new TV specifically for GOT, but I can’t find how to configure the headphones and GOT airs at 4.00 a.m. here and my son has to go to school… First world problems indeed, and the proof that Eastern Europe has caught up with it:)

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    86. Ten Bears: Why do you think Jimmy Fallon will spend too much time with Tracy Morgan and shortchange Maisie Williams? Surely he must know that most viewers are tuning in to see ASNAWP. Surely he himself is caught up in the pre-S8 hype. (No offense to Tracy Morgan.)

      Just from experience with Fallon’s show(s). Up until a year ago or so I watched his full show every night for years. He usually does his monologue and nightly bit for about the first 15 minutes. If the first guest is one of his friends, like Tracy, he’ll spend more time with them because he gets into talking about shared experiences. By the time he gets to his second guest he’s already running pretty late in the show. Tonight he also has a third guest (Mahomes) and musical performance to get to. I would expect less than five minutes spent with Maisie…. Hopefully he proves me wrong.

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    87. Well this Episodes 3 for SURE Will be a massacre,looooots of characters Will fall in this Episode.

      Just look how many we have…

      Jon
      Arya
      Sansa
      Bran
      Davos
      Sam
      Gilly/Little Sam
      Daenerys
      Tyrion
      Jaime
      Jorah
      The hound
      Varys
      Brienne
      Podrick
      Greyworm
      Missandei
      Bronn
      Tormund
      Beric
      Lyanna mormont
      Lord Royce
      Allys karstark
      The umber kid
      Other nother lords
      Edd (?) ( For me maybe he Will die before)
      Melisandre (?) ( For me yes)
      Theon (?) ( For me yes)
      Yara (?) ( 50% for me)

      Its Crazy…

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    88. For some reason, in this spot I feel more confident that Jaime is yelling “Bronn”, which is a pity as that can’t mean anything good. Of course Jon rides Rhaegal! 😊 And I’m not sure if that’s ‘the’ reunion with Arya, I sort of feel like it’s a later scene.

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    89. Ten Bears:
      Anon,

      Well, I’m thinking also that Aemon saved Jon upon his return from the Wildlings by vouching for Jon’s veracity; Aemon cast the deciding vote for Jon as Lord Commander; Jon sought out Aemon’s advice about the Wildling Resettlement Program; and Aemon gave him the benefit of his first-hand experience and lessons about love vs. duty.

      Sure, he definitely stepped into the breach for Jon a few times. My point is that Sam spent all his days inside the CB library with Aemon. Who knows what they got up to down there.

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    90. Mel: The Winterfell battle to me is Helms Deep in Lord Of The Rings, it was the biggest battle but the biggest battle did not win the war and George has previously said he doesn’t like big battles saving the day for the conclusion, he preferred the way LOTR did it with Frodo destroying the ring.

      Oooh. Then maybe there is still a glimmer of hope that my long-standing crackpot theory that Arya ends it all by taking the face of a wight or a WW, getting close to the Night King and taking him out with her Valyrian steel dagger comes true. Not quite Frodo with the ring, but I would kind of love it.

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    91. Pigeon,

      I’d be surprised if Bronn travels North because that is where the Dragons are. Bronn told Jaime in Eastwatch he doesn’t like dragons.

      Bronn loves gold and Cersei has a lot of gold… I know the actors hate each other but Cersei is gonna have spies everywhere and Bronn is a Cutthroat. Bronn still could be be working for Jaime/Cersei side even though Jaime went North.

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    92. I saw something on social media that stated Jon will ride a dragon this season so I think you could be right. Surely that would be too soon for it to be in the premiere though? Also it must be after they realise he is a Targ.

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    93. Ramsay's 20th Good Man,

      Well, you can believe what you want. However, judging from comments I’ve been reading on sites over these months I’d say most people think it makes MORE sense for him to go north and little to remain with Cersei (as opposed to it making no sense to go north). A lot may be working in Bronn’s book story in their thoughts as well, and their ‘relationship’ on the show is hardly any better.

      I’d disagree with your assessment that T&J gave him nothing. All of the gold he received all along has come directly from them or through their requests. The marriage arrangement may have been said to have come from Cersei, but the change or breaking of the arrangement was by her as well, even if Jaime was part of it. His initial knighthood came from his actions working with Tyrion.

      I might suggest that book-Bronn’s story could be mostly finished. Even if not it definitely won’t involve working for Cersei. At any rate D&D had the ability to write the end of his story. They’ve created more of a fan favorite character than what the book did, and they know it. What is a likely thing for them to do with him? Would they leave him there floating around with characters he’s had zero interaction with so far? They’ve made it a point that he does nothing unselfish, nothing if not with a promise of reward. I just think they finally have him grow a heart and do something unselfish, even if it means going into danger before it comes for him.

      If he were to stay in KL, some way, some how I think he’d do something for the “good guys” at some point. I’ve just never thought he would stay and Jerome’s comments about the Winterfell filming seem to support that.

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    94. firstone:
      Pigeon,

      I’d be surprised if Bronn travels North because that is where the Dragons are. Bronn told Jaime in Eastwatch he doesn’t like dragons.

      Bronn loves gold and Cersei has a lot of gold…I know the actors hate each other but Cersei is gonna have spies everywhere and Bronn is a Cutthroat. Bronn still could be be working for Jaime/Cersei side even though Jaime went North.

      Well, Bronn DID toss aside a bag of gold and charge off to rescue Jaime from his suicide mission of being flame-o’d, so you just never know. 😆 He states so much about being a sell sword that you almost wonder if he doth protest too much. 🤔 One way or the other, I wouldn’t trust him, but I like him. 🤪

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    95. Lol: Probably meanig that him and Sam are the only ones that remain from the NW, and edd is dead.

      Or that Jaime has informed them that Cersei has double-crossed them. Or that the current force that they have is the only one between the Army of the Dead and the rest of Westeros. Or that he and Daenerys are the last of the Targaryens. Or that he, Bran, Sansa & Arya are the last of the Starks. Etc., etc.!

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    96. Clob: Well, you can believe what you want. However, judging from comments I’ve been reading on sites over these months I’d say most people think it makes MORE sense for him to go north and little to remain with Cersei (as opposed to it making no sense to go north).

      Bronn is a man who wants people to think that he cares only about himself. However, the reality of the matter is that he does have a little bit of conscious, and he also actually has some affection for Tyrion, Jaime and Podric. Bronn might simply go “awwwww….. fuck it, I suppose I’m screwed if I stay here, too.” and join his (oh, crap, how did this happen?!?!?) friends.

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    97. Anon:
      I wonder if Arya could be running through Dragonstone’s passageways?

      So far those wall torch fixtures have been unique to Winterfell, so probably not.

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    98. Clob: Not everything falls under deus ex machina, or majorly. It’s 1,000 soldiers – not enough to turn the tide of war, but still helpful, and pretty cool.

      Not just that, but upon rewatching Season 6, I was struck by how many times we saw Red Clerics in Essos exhorting people that Daenerys is the Chosen One, etc. Far from Deus ex Machina, this is a gun on the wall. This does not mean that these “Fiery hands” will be how the gun is fired: but B&W have set up something here.

      (My bet is that R’hllor’s origin, and just what it is and why it hates pretty much everything might be the actual gun firing.)

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    99. Dolorous Methuselah: Then maybe there is still a glimmer of hope that my long-standing crackpot theory that Arya ends it all by taking the face of a wight or a WW, getting close to the Night King and taking him out with her Valyrian steel dagger comes true. Not quite Frodo with the ring, but I would kind of love it.

      heh, I don’t think this is that kind of story! The issue is going to be understanding why the NK is doing what he’s doing. That is probably the last big “gotcha” moment, and it will be the last big “damned if you do or don’t” conflict for the main characters. At any rate, the end of last season probably gave us a major foreshadowing of this by having Bran discover that the “Bad Guys” in Robert’s Rebellion really were not bad guys at all and that the whole situation was misunderstood; hmm, any other wars for which that might be true?

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    100. Anon: It can’t be called a victory if the NK is still active and Winterfell is burned to the ground….

      It won’t be burned to the ground: there will be a lot of scorched stone still standing.

      Oh, wait, never mind….. 😉

      Seriously, this does make me wonder if Arya’s mad dash through the crypts is her running for it after setting the fuse for some big fireworks while everyone else retreats.

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    101. firstone: I’d be surprised if Bronn travels North because that is where the Dragons are. Bronn told Jaime in Eastwatch he doesn’t like dragons.

      By going to the North to fight with them he’d be going with the idea that he’d be on the same side as those with the dragons. Like the rest of those not privy, he doesn’t know the aotd has one now too. If he stays then he knows he’s still fighting against dragons.

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    102. So where does Theon fit into all of this? Still weird that he has the only real “side quest” left that’s separate from the AotD and KL’s stuff.

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    103. JSchmeh:
      I’m thinking the Jon and Arya shot is after his parentage reveal. Maybe she is the one to give him the “You’re a Stark and a Targaryen speech.” Similar to the one he gave Theon last year.

      Yes! This would be very cool. I suppose I was rolling with the idea floated with the post that this was a reunion- but of course it could happen later, and this would indeed, make more sense. His visit to the godswood, on his own, could very well happen after the parentage reveal… with Arya creeping up on him assassin style, only tonoffer a pep talk.

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    104. Jack Bauer 24: So where does Theon fit into all of this? Still weird that he has the only real “side quest” left that’s separate from the AotD and KL’s stuff.

      Good question! That gun got a prominent hanging to conclude the season. At this point, it really will have to link to both the story and the plot.

      So, how might Theon’s actions and/or results thereof make Jon’s, Daenerys’, Tyrion’s, etc., final quandaries either more “gray” or more obvious to the audience?

      I got nuttin’…….

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    105. Jack Bauer 24,

      I think Theon, or by extension Yara, will bring a naval presence to KL to help defeat Cersei. This would fulfill Theon’s original promise to Robb to have the IB fleet help defeat the Lannisters.

      That’s my two cents anyway, whatever it’s worth.

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    106. Wimsey,

      I’m not that great when it comes to plot vs. story. They seem like the same thing to me, but I assume they’re not.

      It makes perfect sense to me that Theon is going to try to save his sister, which is pretty much the only thing driving Theon’s story at this point. I would have to assume he’ll be successful. Whether he dies during the rescue or not, I don’t know.

      I would assume either Yara or Theon or both will take control of Euron’s fleet once Euron dies, and Yara/Theon will use that fleet to help defeat Cersei. If Yara lives, she’ll be the leader of the IB moving forward.

      An attempt at redemption seems to be the only thing left for Theon before he dies. What else is needed for Theon?

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    107. Wimsey,

      I figure the resolution of Theon’s somewhat side story has everything to do with Euron. The tie-in to the main story being that Euron is fighting the war with/for Cersei. It doesn’t seem fitting for anyone but Theon to kill Euron, or Yara as the next option. I guess that would mean that Theon either quickly saves Yara, or does not in time, rejoins with the Stargaryen side and then the second face-off between the two might come when the living fight the living… unless it’s resolved before then…

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    108. Logic should dictate that Theon is likely to fail in his rescue attempt of Yara but either way should he kill Euron or not I am guessing he will head North and help defend Winterfell.

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    109. Clob,

      Yea, thats pretty much in line with my thinking. Though I believe Theon is tied to Yara and Euron at this point and that’s it. When the Euron/Yara side plot is done, Theon is done.

      Just my two cents.

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    110. Mr Derp: I’m not that great when it comes to plot vs. story. They seem like the same thing to me, but I assume they’re not.

      For this sort of tale, the “story” is the general issue that the protagonists are facing in different ways. Last year, it was “how do you fight wars on 2+ fronts?” The year before, it was “who do I court/reject as allies and at what costs?”

      This year’s story will be something along the same lines: some general set of issues where the main characters have damned if you do, damned sets of scenarios. The “Why” of NK is sure to be a big part of that. However, Theon seems a bit removed from that in the plot at this point. I am sure that they have something in mind for whatever the big final internal-conflict is: but I’ve no idea what! Still, given that Theon is a 2nd-tier protagonist, I do expect that he’ll face some choice or set of choices that parallel those that Jon, Daenerys, etc., all wind up making because of the NK.

      Beyond that, I’ve zero clue. I’m quite sure that we’ll learn that the NK is basically a Rhaegar figure, and that Jon & Daenerys will both see themselves in analogs of the situations in which Ned & Rhaegar found themselves in the events leading to and stemming from Robert’s Rebellion. (I basically see Robert’s Rebellion as that sort of “foreshadowing play” where the events of the story are foretold by a story told in that story.) And beyond that…..

      …. I got nuttin’……

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    111. Jon Snowed:
      Logic should dictate that Theon is likely to fail in his rescue attempt of Yara but either way should he kill Euron or not I am guessing he will head North and help defend Winterfell.

      Logic rarely has much to say about probabilities or likelihoods! 😉

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    112. Clob: I figure the resolution of Theon’s somewhat side story has everything to do with Euron. The tie-in to the main story being that Euron is fighting the war with/for Cersei.

      I cannot see Euron presenting some sort of “oh, damn” conflict of the sort that the NK probably will present. Euron’s just a psycho: Theon will not face any huge dilemmas about offing him or stop and wonder if maybe Euron has the right of it, or something like that.

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    113. Anon,

      In the books there is a baby-change, baby-Sam./. baby Mance-heir –
      what if we got a baby-change (drama!!!) in GoT too?
      Sam is the real L+R-baby, but Ned changed to double-save him with the Tarly-baby, who is Jon?
      Just an idea – not a pretty one, but a really big twist.

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    114. Clob,

      So this notorious sell sword, who’s consistently insisted that he looks out for himself and is only in it for the money has a choice between…

      (A) Staying in King’s Landing where there are zero dragons, zero ice zombies and no war. Where there’s a queen with land and gold, who has previously rewarded him for turning his back on her brothers. And leaving all his options open to take advantage of any future events, e.g. betray Cersei, escape and avoid the conflict altogether, be rewarded for his loyalty etc.

      or

      (B) Travel north into the winter, towards a life or death conflict featuring dragons and an army of 100,000 zombies. Showing further loyalty to a pair of brothers that have consistently broken their promises to him and whose own lack of sacrifice on his behalf he’s previously lamented. Neither of whom have any land or gold or authority to reward him with anything anymore. And unnecessarily limiting his future options, e.g. if Tyrion and Jaime die, or Dany fails to conquer the Seven Kingdoms, he’s left with nothing. That’s if he even survives himself.

      … and you say most people believe it would make more sense for him to choose the second option?

      Plus, if he’s travelling north because he simply can’t leave his best pals to face near certain doom without him, then why didn’t they just show him leaving King’s Landing at the end of Season 7 with Jaime?

      It’s really tenuous, to say the least. But sadly that doesn’t always seem to be as much of a concern as it used to be for the writers.

      Anyway, let’s see how things play out and what explanations they offer in a few weeks time.

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    115. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,

      Yep. 🙂

      Ramsay’s 20th Good Man: why didn’t they just show him leaving King’s Landing at the end of Season 7 with Jaime?

      For dramatic purposes. It was much better to show a solitary Jaime turning away from Cersei and the only security he has to head off for what he believes in his heart is the right thing to do. Having Bronn there japing it up would have minimized the seriousness and meaning of what Jaime was doing.

      If Bronn were to catch him along the road at his campfire for example, they can then share the reasons why each is going. One can imagine the words Bronn would have to say, and I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t involve some choice ones regarding his queen bi*ch of a sister.

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    116. Wimsey:
      This year’s story will be something along the same lines: some general set of issues where the main characters have damned if you do, damned sets of scenarios.

      This is, as always, an inaccurate description of the series, many of whose storylines do not contain any such central scenario.

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    117. Mr Derp:
      Clob,

      Yea, thats pretty much in line with my thinking.Though I believe Theon is tied to Yara and Euron at this point and that’s it.When the Euron/Yara side plot is done, Theon is done.

      Just my two cents.

      I hope that’s not it. If a “rescue Yara, defeat Euron” side plot is all that’s left for Theon, they should excise the whole thing. Otherwise, I’d just as soon see a subplot involving Bernadette’s evolving hairstyles; or some gallant character stepping up to avenge the brutal murder of poor Myranda; or fallout from the incinerated food wagons culminating in Hot Pie saving the Realm with tons of pastries he prudently stored in subterranean vaults under the Crossroads Inn.

      If Theon doesn’t do something to help the Starks… then who cares about him, Yara or Euron?

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    118. Inga:
      Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
      Clob,

      IMO, Bronn will follow Jaime under Cersei’s ordrers. From what he said to Tyrion in Ep 707, I got an impression that, after Tyrion contacted him and asked to arrange the meeting with Jaime, Bronn went to Cersei and arranged the meeting with her permision: “Looing after myself… Put youself at risk… Cersei has two traitors’ heads, etc.” When Cersei asked Jaime, whether he was going to punish Bronn, she could have been just checking: had Jaime asnwered “Yes”, she would have warned him not to. So, once again, I assume that Bronn will be following Jaime under Cersei’s command, although I don’t know what she’s up to: possibly, she regrets that she failed to kill Jaime, when she had a chance, and now is sending Bronn to rectify this.

      I suspect that as far as Cersei is concerned, Bronn’s life is tethered to Jaime’s. He may not want to follow Jaime north, but if Cersei tells him it’s that and a bag of gold/castle or death, then he’ll go. I think that ultimately Bronn will do Cersei’s bidding, and that may not bode well for the Stark-Targaryen-Northern alliance. I guess it’s also possible that he could opt to become a sellsword in Essos rather than follow through on any orders from Cersei….

      If the North defeats the AotD, I think there’s a decent chance Cersei will attack them very quickly afterwards while they’re still vulnerable. They’ll be tired, low in number, and armed with weapons more suitable for fighting wights/whitewalkers than a human army. If Bronn thinks the best bet is on this happening (or him escaping the North with Jaime if the AotD wins), then he may risk fighting in the North rather than deserting Westeros altogether.

      As far as character fates, I think the only one that’s absolutely safe is Arya. Still crossing my fingers that Dany and Jon make it out alive(though I think if that’s the case they’ll likely leave Westeros). Brienne and Sam probably have an even better chance than D and J. I take Melisandre at her word that she and Varys will die. I’ve read the possible spoilers regarding Tyrion, so am worried about him. Davos, Jorah, Missandei and Greyworm I’m cautiously optimistic.

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    119. Tyjon,

      At what point will Jon and Daenerys get married? They love each other, Jon won’t father a bastard and it’s not acceptable in that world to get a queen pregnant without marrying her.

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    120. The GoT YT channel uploaded the teasers. They changed the names from “Die” and “Forward” to “Survival” and “Together”.

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    121. Ten Bears,

      If ever there is a time for Jon to crack a smile, it’s when he sees Arya! I also couldn’t care less if it was called fan service or whatever, bring on all the feels for this one.

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    122. Enharmony1625:
      Ten Bears,

      If ever there is a time for Jon to crack a smile, it’s when he sees Arya! I also couldn’t care less if it was called fan service or whatever, bring on all the feels for this one.

      +1!!!!!

      —–

      I might have missed previously posted links to these but I saw the two new TV spots on HBO’s YouTube channel just now (uploaded around an hour ago):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2E30wWcBjY – ‘Survival’
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuLUyJdRvSU – ‘Together’

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    123. Rizwan:
      Will we get a 2nd trailer from HBO before 14th?

      I’m probably in the minority, but at this point I don’t want any more trailers. I want to be surprised.

      But if there is another one, damn straight I’ll watch it over and over again! 😉

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    124. So they just aired a promo for Fallon and it said “Maisie Williams with a Game of Thrones slip up” and showed her covering her mouth with a surprised look lol.

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    125. I forgot how how off the rails Tracy gets trying to be funny as the host tries to reel him in. Robin Williams was always that way too. 😞

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    126. Even though I knew there wasn’t going to be one, I was still hoping they would bring out the quick clips like they did for the Season 6 late night shows. Each actor that did an interview, brought a short clip of their character for the season.

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    127. We didn’t buy it on TV but I imagine the studio audience had some fall for it considering it’s a live taping.

      Jack Bauer 24,

      I think it hurt that she was the second guest, which means far less time. Maybe a better chance with Kit there on Thursday since he’s the primary.

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    128. Re: Maisie/Fallon

      With all of Maisie’s new cover shots and how she looked on Fallon, she could honestly have a career in modeling. I know she’s barely 5 foot though… But the camera really does love her unique look.

      I’m using the spoiler for those who may have dvr’d and don’t want to know everything…

      I loved the bloody pizza story! Then, when she started into the same exact story about her final day of shooting I was thinking, “oh no, not the same story again’, and she blurted out the spoiler thing… She really sold the emotion of it. The crowd was dead silent. I think she had them going for sure when she walked out. Of course if she would have said episode 5, she may have had me going for a second, but since she said episode 2 I didn’t have to worry.

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    129. Off With Her Head:
      Mel,

      The dead can’t swim. But how did they retrieve Viserion from the frozen lake. I’m puzzled.

      I always assumed that with the relatively short distance from lake to shore, they simply walked on the bottom, weighted by the chains they carried.

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    130. Jack Bauer 24,

      That was an Emmy nominated performance, the trembling hands and tearing up eyes, I believe she had the audience fooled. If she’d said like episode 5, it might’ve fooled me, Bravo! Wow! just realized, she’s turned from a cute pretty girl into a beautiful young woman.

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    131. Tron79,

      Omg she really did –

      she looked like she was about to cry, even her hand was trembling! If she hadn’t said episode 2 and said something like, as you said, episode 5, I’d have started making a Xanax smoothie 😉

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    132. Pigeon: I always assumed that with the relatively short distance from lake to shore, they simply walked on the bottom, weighted by the chains they carried.

      I like to imagine that the first wight jumped in and held on to Viserion’s ears or horns or whatever, followed by a second one, and a third, and on and on until they were piled high enough to surface the poor critter.

      I also imagine the chains were ordered special from the Amazon Street of Steel outlet.

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    133. My concern about Theon rescuing Yara/defeating Euron is that he has one ship and about twenty men against a whole Armada. It will need to be a stealth mission with low probability of success.

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    134. I am the same, I want to go into the season not knowing and being on the edge of my seat. The network premiere is next week and the red carpet tomorrow, a trailer at this late stage is totally unnecessary.

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    135. Night’s Queen,

      I find myself feeling actually kinda depressed because I have lost almost all interest. I come here out of habit, and to see if anything will pique my interest but am always left feeling empty like I don’t even care how it ends anymore which is odd to me because I was so invested at one point.

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    136. ygritte:
      Night’s Queen,

      I find myself feeling actually kinda depressed because I have lost almost all interest. I come here out of habit, and to see if anything will pique my interest but am always left feeling empty like I don’t even care how it ends anymore which is odd to me because I was so invested at one point.

      I woke up seeing your post. Since your name is ygritte, could this have started after a certain Ollie rat took his bow and shot Ygritte? I could see that if that happened to my favorite character(s) (like Arya or even Jaime if it was before he gets to fulfill his arc), it would have been pretty hard for me. I also woke up dreaming about a giant cricket destroying a backboard in a march madness game! Yeah, I’m pretty strange.. but as I was laying there I had a thought about Theon that may peak your interest. I wondered if Euron may drown Theon, and then Theon wakes after a few minutes (like with the drowned god ritual), and then takes out Euron somehow. I think Theon has to have a great arc this season. As Jon said, he can be both a Greyjoy and a Stark, and he has to come to terms with this just as Jon will need to come to terms with being both a Targ and Stark. Anyway, GOT may not have any giant crickets this season, but I do hope to see at least a couple giant ice spiders.

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    137. Mass:
      why haven’t they shared those teasers in youtube or twitter, or instagram and other platforms. does it mean that we are going to get a full trailer?

      They’re on the official GoT YT channel now.

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    138. Jack Bauer 24: They’re on the official GoT YT channel now.

      I wish they would add a season 8 tab to HBO GO. It would be nice to be able to just see it all in one place. I have used HBO GO for years since I get HBO free through my cable plan bundle. It was more expensive not to take HBO in my bundle! Eventually I probably will get rid of cable since most of the time I’m using streaming of some kind.. but HBO GO always had behind the scenes after the episode that wasn’t on other HBO’s.. Do they show those inside the episodes right after on HBO NOW too? or was it only HBO GO…

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    139. Tron79: I wish they would add a season 8 tab to HBO GO.It would be nice to be able to just see it all in one place. I have used HBO GO for years since I get HBO free through my cable plan bundle. It was more expensive not to take HBO in my bundle! Eventually I probably will get rid of cable since most of the time I’m using streaming of some kind.. but HBO GO always had behind the scenes after the episode that wasn’t on other HBO’s..Do they show those inside the episodes right after on HBO NOW too? or was it only HBO GO…

      I use NOW and they show then on their as well.

      New Season 8 stills https://www.express.co.uk/showbiz/tv-radio/1108692/Game-of-Thrones-Daenerys-Targaryen-season-8-episode-1-pictures-Emilia-Clarke

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    140. Thanks Jack, I am currently watching S3 and it’s amazing how much I used to really like Dany as a character through the early seasons, which is the polar opposite of Jamie who I loathed now absolutely loved. Just goes to show how brilliant the work GRRM and D&D have delivered.

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    141. Ten Bears: If Theon doesn’t do something to help the Starks… then who cares about him, Yara or Euron?

      He’ll help the Starks by providing the navy that he originally promised to Robb in season 2.

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    142. BTW, the person who was right about the first trailers date, time and contents and about the new promos from Sunday night is saying there should be another new promo is the next couple days. It’s apparently more like “The Crypts of Winterfell” though and not actual in season footage. The content of the promo is apparently

      Objects laying in the snow (wheelchair, longclaw, needle, hand of the queen pin, and that feather from the crypts), and the NK is walking away from them

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    143. Jack Bauer 24:
      BTW, the person who was right about the first trailers date, time and contents and about the new promos from Sunday night is saying there should be another new promo is the next couple days. It’s apparently more like “The Crypts of Winterfell” though and not actual in season footage. The content of the promo is apparently

      That was quick lol https://youtu.be/vwmAWOE5F9o

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    144. I’ve been avoiding spoilers but I saw that the same person also confirms that the footage of the dragons flying in the trailer is from the premiere and

      Jon rides on a dragon

      .

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    145. Tron79:
      Re: Maisie/Fallon

      “With all of Maisie’s new cover shots and how she looked on Fallon, she could honestly have a career in modeling. I know she’s barely 5 foot though… But the camera really does love her unique look….”

      I find it ironic – and wonderful – that a while back there were so many critics asserting that Maisie Williams would be limited in her career because she didn’t have the stereotypical tall, blonde willowy cover girl look.

      Now here she is: a fashion icon, doing photo shoots and gracing the covers of magazines.

      You’re right. The camera really does love her look. It doesn’t hurt that she’s a chameleon aka The Many-Faced Goddess.

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    146. Sean C.: many of whose storylines do not contain any such central scenario.

      Um, yeah, every single story has been of this general type. Martin himself has discussed this.

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