Recently, we learned Game of Thrones would return to Spain, specifically to Itálica’s amphitheater in Santiponce, Seville, which made its debut last season. Still, we didn’t know when shooting would begin at the one and only Dragonpit location … until now!
Europa Press reports the Roman amphitheater and the surrounding ruins of Itálica have been partially closed off starting today, due to preparations for Game of Thrones filming later this month. That’s right: the production’s Spanish subcontractor is already on site, making the amphitheater look like the Dragonpit, as they did for the season seven finale.
Regarding the actual shooting dates, we know the archaeological site will be completely inaccessible for visitors from May 3 to 18. That doesn’t mean the cast will begin shooting immediately, as the crew usually closes off a location a few days before filming. Still, filming should begin in the first half of the month, running for two weeks at most. Furthermore, if the last shoot there is any indication, the cast may appear in Seville before that, revealing which characters will be involved with the Dragonpit this time.
The first time Game of Thrones shot in the amphitheater, it became the stage for the greatest concentration of characters we have ever seen on screen. It left an impression. We don’t know yet whether the sequence at the Dragonpit in season eight will be equally impressive, but we can only hope so. Much can be filmed in two weeks, after all!
Hoderp
Luka,
Didn’t the article say that while the rest of the site would be completely closed from May 3 to 18, the amphitheater would actually be open to visitors then?
EDIT: Never mind. I guess there is a Roman theater somewhere on site?
rex953,
The theater will be open during these dates precisely because the amphitheater will be closed. A theater and an amphitheater are different things. Basically, a Greco-Roman theater looks like half an amphitheater.
We truly have no leaks, everything has been proven false with the current stuff and lineup we know. Very exciting!
BeardedOnion,
The leaked script pages havent been proven false, people here have just SAID that theyve been proven false.
Ryan,
There have been many supposed leaks, so I can’t keep track of them all, but the ones I remember have been contradicted in some way or another. This is not an invitation to talk about this, by the way. We don’t talk about script leaks here — real or otherwise, because people will believe them either way.
I bet only Lino Facioli shows up around the area. We reeeally need a scene of Lord Arryn all alone running around in circles with his arms out saying *whoooosh… zooooom* for about ten minutes. 😛
Ryan,
Like Luka said, there are a lot of “leaks” to keep track of, but the ones I’ve read are just not true. [EDITED OUT BY MOD]
It doesn’t mean all leaks are 100% untrue, but it’s also foolish to assume leaks are true and then find facts to suit that theory. Let facts create the theory instead of the reverse.
[NO “LEAKED SCRIPTS” TALK, PLEASE, EVEN IF YOU SPOILER-TAG IT, EVEN WHEN THEY’RE FALSE, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY]
“Beetle smash” couldn’t hurt either.
Apologies Luka, I wasn’t going to say anything, but I saw you comment on it publicly, so I thought it would be ok, but I was wrong.
Anyway, it will be very cool to find out which characters will be shooting scenes at the Dragonpit.
So the ending will be in the Dragonpit …Every possibility there..[a]The Final Battle Battle between the NK and Jon face to face..[b]a funeral[Jon and Danny dies]..[c]a meeting ..[d]the marriage of Jon and Danny ..[e]Jon/Dannys coronation or [f]their son/daughter coronation and [g]Euron or Cercei kill them all with wildfire there…[hope not]..What you guys do you think will happen there?
How long did last years filming at the pit take?
Ryan,
The crew were there for about as long. But I think they only filmed for a week…
Make the bad man imitate a dragon!
Much as everyone can’t stand Sweetrobin, I still think it would be a gas if the books end with a brief afterword penned by some Maester many decades after the War for the Dawn, in which it is revealed that Lord Robin Arryn, Warden of the East, surprised all his contemporaries by living to a ripe old age and proving to be the wisest, bravest and most generous ruler that the Vale had ever known.
Yeah, it didn’t seem very long but there was a lot of buzz around Seville, and with so many of them there it felt huge. Quick browses through the old posts looks like most of the cast showed up the first couple days of Nov. ’16 and they were probably done by around the 6th or 7th.
Considering the fragility of this archaeological site, I can’t imagine any major battle between armies or dragons being staged there. Perhaps a one-on-one fight; if Cleganebowl must occur (and I’d personally prefer not, as it has been so heavily telegraphed since Season 1 as to seem overly predictable by now), that would be the obvious place for it to happen. But my guess is that it’ll be more of a ceremonial occasion like a coronation, marriage, treaty-signing or Great Council meeting. Having the bloodshed over who should sit the Iron Throne end with something comparable to the Magna Carta – an intermediate step toward parliamentary government – would please modern political sensibilities without seeming too anachronistic.
Artemisia,
A wedding or coronation in a place built by the worst tyranical Targaryen king? The dragonpit is also the symbol of King´s Landing people rising against Rhaenyra Targaryen and killing her dragons. Can´t see it taking place there (IF such events happens)
It was very symbolic that 707 occured in the dragonpit.
Dany explicity calls it the the beggining of the end for her family.
And that is probably why Cersei choose it as the location for the parley. To emphasize how House Targaryen is dead and past.
And the irony of the scene of course is that this symbol of the past that Cersei choose constrats with the symbols that House Targaryen is reborn: Dany, Jon, their conversation about children, their first time in the capital and Drogon and Rhaegal.
Whatever is filmed here, I think it will be highly symbolic in one way or another.
I agree ..but Danny did said in S7E7 ..that the place started the beginning of the ending of her family…and she and Jon in the same episode they started also to consume their relationship ..so if there be a wedding or a coronation the place will be the new beginning of the starting of the new Targaryen family..That make 100% sense if you think it..Also to remind you that not all the Targaryens they have been tyrants as you say..only a few
House Monty,
Yup, could be anything really. As others have said, the Dragonpit is obviously associated with the downfall of her family, but I think that would also make it a great place for a new beginning.
Mr Derp,
Agreed.
Also, if the Red Keep doesn’t survive the conflict, the Dragonpit is the only significant place in the city still (sort of) standing that can hold a lot of people.
It really could be anything. But my guess would be it is tied to House Targaryen in some way. Either as the final nail in the coffin. Or rebirth. But will be something.
Don’t think it will be a random cersei scene or something like that.
Luka Nieto,
It sure seems like they’ll run out of large venues in Westeros by the end of the show. I’m starting to wonder where the Westerosi futbol/soccer team will play when all is said and done. Hopefully, the Dragonpit will be one place to stay intact.
House Monty,
The last scene will be Jon and Dany’s wedding or one of their coronations at the Dragonpit with Ed Sheeran as the wedding band 🙂
…or funeral.
Just give me Ed!
I’m not convinced (yet) that the ending, meaning the final scene, will be at the Dragonpit. I’m leaning more towards something that’s less on the ceremonial side and more of another meeting of some kind, for good or bad reasons.
The only reason I’d say non-ceremonial is because I’d think that would mean swarms of people are there to witness it. Since the structure is actually in ruins they couldn’t put hundreds of real people in the ruined seating area. They’ve already shown their version of the structure is also in ruins and couldn’t hold hundreds of people, real or cgi, unless it’s rebuilt/repaired……
You know, I am trying to convince myself that it can’t be this or that. It actually makes as much sense as anywhere to hold some kind of grand finale ceremony once everything else is probably destroyed as well. I’m just kind of hoping the FINAL final scene is somewhere a lot less drab than a ruins… (like my Preikestolen dream ending). 🙂
House Monty,
Lol, all I know is if “The Rains of Castamere” starts playing then everyone needs to gtfo.
Mr Derp,
In the books the place for hosting realm events is Harrenhall. The two great councils of Westeros who placed Viserys I and Aegon V took place there. Also Harrenhall tourney was presumed to be hosted there by Rhaegar to lure the nobles of Westeros into a possible coup against Aerys.
Ëonwë,
Thanks for the info. My comment wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously, but that’s still interesting to know.
I always found Harrenhall to be an interesting place that I wish the show could’ve explored more, but I understand that we can’t have everything. Looks like a great place for a Quidditch tourney.
I would bet a 90% on the Red Keep being destroyed. The wildfre, Dany´s vision in the House of the Undiying back in season 2, the cover of A World of Ice and Fire. Too many Chekov´s Guns.
Seems fairly likely. Hard to see how dragon fire erupts on the city and the Red Keep makes it out unscathed.
Firannion,
If Cleganebowl isn’t water under the bridge by now, the only way I could see it happening is if NK hacks into Gregor’s operating system and turns him into a de facto wight under NK’s command instead of Cersei’s.
In my view, Sandor’s destiny was forecast to him by Beric Dondarrion and Brother Ray: it wasn’t too late to help a lot more than he’s harmed in the time he has left. He’s not going to squander it on “hate” or “revenge.”
I’d rather have Edd still standing (and grumbling) at the end.
Firannion,
I like the idea of a Magna Carta or even a standing Great Council that meets once a year to advise the monarch (i.e. a proto parliament)
In general, i like something that is a small step so that the ending is suggestive we are moving towards a better system. Without something ridiculous like jumping from an 1100s political system to a 1800s one.
House Monty,
There´s been precedents. Both Viserys I and Aegon V were named kings in the Two Great Councils of Westeros. And in both councils every single House had a vote. Also an unoficial Great Council named Aegon III king after the Dance of Dragons. And there´s still the card of R+L=J to be played.
They sort of have had that in place, or basically set up for it, but didn’t really utilize it fully. They’ve had the Wardens; N, S, E, W and smaller, area wardens. I imagine the Wardens routinely sent ravens and messengers with news and information, but apparently they never gathered for meetings (ex. Ned not seeing Robert for years). The (real) travel distance and time is the hindrance to that. To expand on what they’ve had while maintaining a similar setup would probably requite ambassadors or emissaries that speak for the Wardens but mainly reside in the capital. Anyway, I think their level of society would benefit more with a voice from each region over a separate group of individuals from the capital as advisors. That seems too open to collusion.
That’s basically what the Small Council has been. Yeah… bunch of scheming a-holes that birthed.
Luka Nieto,
Luka thanks for all your hard work! Keep the HYPE going my Friend! P.S. I would love to interview at Con of Thrones!
The problem is a logistical one. Westeros is just too big and it takes much time moving across the land.
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Well it’s pretty safe to assume that the Dragonpit won’t be used for any type of ceremony (funeral/wedding/truce), as there hasn’t been any call for extras, and surely such a scene would require a lot of local extras? Combined with the fact that those ruins are protected, so (as someone else mentioned), they can’t have hundreds of people clambering over them. Besides- they’re not safe enough..when I was there in 2016 the whole place was cordoned off.
I also don’t think there’ll be another parley there as it’s way too repetitive.
I’ve said before that I believe the DP will be where the last dragons meet their end,
Most likely in a dance of dragons, and this is where they will fall.. mirroring historical events at the DP.
Such a scene might only require a few of the main characters, so I guess we’ll be able to gauge more at the time of filming.
OT: I walked the streets of Girona today, it was fantastic to see some more of the locations from our beloved show 😊
Apollo,
I think you might be right about the Dragonpit being the end of our beloved Drogon/Rhaegal/Viserion.
Though I suppose there could still be some type of ceremony there with only a few people, but I think it would be odd for a small wedding/coronation to take place in such a large venue, unless Drogon is the ring bearer or something. I would certainly rule out any Aragorn/Arwen type of coronation.
In other words, I think you’re right…for now, lol.
Apollo,
Is it safe to assume that, though? A huge proportion of the populace has probably been wiped out – if the Red Keep is gone, most of Kings Landing may be as well. Even if it were a very significant ceremony, the attendance would likely be small if it took place immediately after the war.
I think you’re right about another parley being repetitive, but I can see a council of surviving lords meeting here post-war to choose a monarch, witness a wedding or funeral, or sign some kind of Magna Carta-like document.
Could be a battle, too, but the limitations of a fragile archaeological site, as you mention yourself, are worth taking into consideration. It would be as difficult to film a big battle as it would to have people scrambling over the structure for a ceremony.
Fierce as a Wolverine,
Apollo raises a very good point about the extras. In all the coronation scenes we have had – Robb, Tomen, Jon, Cersei – there have been random extras. You don’t need a lot but you likely would have some.
Any news on that and which of the cast is in fact there are probably the two things two watch.
Although, the show effectively had a great council meeting in the Dragon Pit in 707 and just reduced it to main cast only. Would not put it past the show to simplify something like that to just the main cast.
I see no reason to assume that what occurs at the Dragonpit will be the final scene of the series. I frankly don’t expect it to end on a high ceremonial note. There needs to be some ‘afterword’ that brings things back to relatable human scale.
If I were writing the scripts, my final scene would be either 1) Arya and her co-voyagers across the Sunset Sea waving to beloved survivors onshore; 2) a somewhat older, grayer Samwell finishing his mammoth history book, A Song of Ice and Fire; or 3) Tyrion exchanging wise and witty observations (and perhaps even the punchline to the ass/honeycomb joke) with someone over a glass of Imp’s Delight in his garden. All three in sequence would make a perfectly lovely wrap-up sequence, IMO.
It’ll be interesting to see if they put up one of those huge green screens there or not. Might help determine the scale of the scene.
Well I’ve no idea what they are filming there but just knowing actors on set or in Seville will give us spoilers because it will imply they are alive in the later episodes in all probability.
Dragonpit will likely be a penultimate scene in the final episode – coronation of (likely) Dany and/or the baby, restoring her family’s name as she is named Queen….although the dragons are likely gone.
The last dragon, injured and broken beyond repair will be put to the Sword there. Kinda like the archdeamon in Dragon Age Origins. Or maybe one of the dragons falls to it’s death along it’s raider.
But the points against a fight scene (archeological value, that’s the city where two Roman’s emperors were born) and a public coronation (lack of extras) are well thought.
Maybe there’s some secret passages below the Dragon Pit? Maybe there are below caches of wildfire or a tunnel who connects with the Red Keep or the City Walls?
That sounds very plausible. This was foreshadowed as well when Jon and Dany are talking in the DP in 7×07.
I’ve expected for some time that there won’t be dragons left alive at the end. Their purpose as a weapon against the AotD will be fulfilled by the end, and Dany giving birth to an actual child will mark the end of her being “Mother of Dragons”.
I don’t see how they could possibly get permission to use stuff like flamethrowers on that site, if it’s in such a ruinous state that tourists aren’t even allowed to walk through the arena or the seating areas. A Dance of Dragons would require on-the-ground effects in addition to CGI. I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation.
Fierce as a Wolverine,
Good point about the lack of population: I don’t think there’ll be many survivors after the war for the dawn, and a battle at the DP is certainly not possible for obvious conservationist reasons. I honestly think there’ll only be a few cast members filming here, which will give us some clues. In theory, the death of the dragons may only require 1-2 cast members.
Enharmony1625,
The dragons have to die. At the very least, they are fire made flesh, a source of fire magic. Secondly, they are the antithesis of the NK and the WWs, possibly the embodiment of the great conflict between R’hllor and the Great Other. Or, to put it simply..when ice and fire combine, each consumes the other until nothing remains. A pretty simple, depressing but hopeful metaphor for what may happen in S8.
Firannion,
They’d only need a few establishing shots with the cast, the rest would be CGI. It’s really no different to S7, where they used no green screen but had background shots of the DP ruins and a great bloomin dragon landing on the site. A wounded/dying dragon wouldnt be breathing fire all over the Dragonpit so flames needn’t be necessary.
Firannion,
Drogon did make a rather thunderous appearance at the Dragonpit last season, so it’s not unreasonable to think it could happen again, but I agree that a dance of dragons might be a bit much to expect.
Firannion,
To be clear, tourists are absolutely allowed to walk through the arena. But access to most parts of the stalls/ seating areas are heavily restricted to conserve them (and for safety reasons).
Firannion,
“If I were writing the scripts, my final scene would be…”
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Ghost wakes up from nap. Looks around. Goes back to sleep.
That gave me a good laugh! I love it.
My big wish is that since the story started with the Starks, it should end with the Starks. Perhaps the rebuilding of Winterfell or something.
Sam recording down the history of the war is another possibility as a nod to LotR.
Technically the story started with the white walkers
Random thought: I wonder what the Night King thought of Benjen? He’d be something of an anomaly – a half-turned, fellow shard-in-the-chest human/wight with his personality generally intact. I also wonder if we’ll see what happens with Benjen/CH separately in the books again.
Jon: “Will somebody PLEASE keep their promise to talk to me when they return, ffs????!!!!”
But will it end with the Night King on the Iron Throne?
Me too..i agree ..Maybe it be what the debunked ”leak ”says ..that Euron will met Jaime,Jon and Drogon and will kill them with wildfire ..after Jaime stabs him in the back ..but he still nuts …I dont know ….surely..but surely there will be something at the end ..good or not idk ..I think the end might be in Winterfell or in Dragonstone..Also what about the Cleganebowl fight happens in Dragonpit?
i agree..Arya leading the survivors on a new land[Queen Nymeria style] or Tyrion taste his wines and have a philosophical conversation with someone or Sam finishing the Ice and Fire history book or telling the tale in his kids and to Dannys/Jon kid will be awesome ending for GOT..the sweet part of the Bittersweet ending..But i think Dragonpit will play key role to the end..either there will be the face to face battle of Jon Snow VS Night King or there Danny will give birth to her kid with Jon..The Dragonpit is connected with the Targaryens and there will be their final ending or their new beginning ..idk…we will see in S8 and we will see witch actors will be there playing.
0% chance. George alread gave that away when he said the ending was bittersweet.
It could end with something fire related though since it starts off with something ice related.
Jon Snowed,
Right. So no leaks talk! At all! Please!!!
🚱🚱🚱🚱🔞🚱🚱❌
Seriously, how many times do people need to be told this? And it’s always the same individuals!! 🤬🤬
You and I and most people probably expect they all die. I suppose it’s mainly because of the nature of the story; everybody/everything dies. I will say though that if I were writing this story I wouldn’t kill the dragons off. George is obviously never going to write a sequel series so HE wouldn’t have to leave his options open in that regard. Still, I wouldn’t want to end a fantasy story about a fantasy land with high fantasy elements in such a manner that turns their world mundane. I think that limits imaginations of the viewers/readers about their future. Like I’ve written, my dream ending has Jon and Daenerys riding Drogon and Rhaegal together in the final shot. I don’t expect that to happen but I still want it to. With the title of the entire story being “A Song of Ice and Fire” I actually think it’s much more likely that both J&D die while they save the world. If they are both gone the dragons are likely as well… and we’re left with that mundane world. 🙁
Clob,
Good point.
My other problem with it is that it seems to copy LOTR without having the thematic throughline that LOTR had at the beggining where there was a clear sense that the old world was passing.
GoT starts at almost the oppositive with the mundane world and then magical elements appearing suggesting a rebirth. I think it would almost be more interesting to end on a hint of renaissance. Where the renaissance was a period of discovery of the wisdom of the ancient world, this ends suggesting the world is enterering a period of rediscovery of the wisdom and technology of Old Valyria the equivalent of the Greco Roman world in our own history.
House Monty,
I did once suggest that Danny and possibly Jon could return to Valyria to re-establish their bloodline. (Depending on who survives.)
I do not believe that once the battles are over the North will want a Targaryion leading them.
The North belongs to a “real” Stark, Sansa or Arya.
I guess Sansa and Arya’s kids if they have any won’t be “real” Starks.
Also, seems a bit presumptious to think there will even be a North to rule. If WF falls, then the possibility of a total wipeout up their can’t be ruled out.
can anyone please stop just mentioning the possibility of wildfire underneath the DP?!
first of all, that means mentioning the dumbest “leak” ever, which is not wanted here for very good reasons.
and second, to end it all, the DP has already been a wreck when the Mad King started placing wildfire underneath the city. he wanted to “burn them all!!”, not to “blast every place with no people there!!”
if rules don’t stop people, maybe story logic can? please, let it be the last time this crap is mentioned in any discussion here, YOU!
fuck the wildfire, as i said before! and thank you for being so nice to mention a tunnel.
i’m pretty sure there is one. there’s a cellar at least, the one where The Hound stored the souvenir from the north before presenting it. as the dragons in the pit were property and status symbols of the Targaryen rulers, it is not too far out to assume they had some sort of private access to their pets. on a way not exposing them to the mood of the smallfolk.
if i’m right and there’s a tunnel between the Red Keep and the Dagonpit, it might for example be the way possible Cersei assassinators want to use. we had characters dieing in a tunnel north of the wall, we had some dieing in a tunnel under the wall – let’s complete it with characters dieing in a tunnel south of the wall.
Yes! I’ve been pretty lucky in remaining unspoiled thus far since I started watching GoT (except for Ned’s death), so I hope to keep the trend going for S8.
death by chickenfire,
Hm… the dragonpit is known to have wildfire under it in the books, at least in the books. We discover that fact in A Clash of Kings. It’s part of the reason Tyrion begins concocting his wildfire plan. It was probably a good place to store them in, not necessarily one of the places the Mad King wanted to blow up (though that may be the case too, who knows.)
Enharmony1625,
Ten Bears,
Apollo,
I have deleted the offending post. Some people never learn. “The leaks confirm this doesn’t happen, but… I’m not supposed to talk about it here” IS “talking about it here.”
death by chickenfire,
Please practice what your preach.. you just mentioned plot details from an alleged leak yourself, and irrespective if its true or untrue, it has the potential to spoil Unsullied folks here (myself included).
Luka Nieto,
Cheers, Luka! Much appreciated.
Clob,
Dragon eggs will be left behind, regardless of the fates of Dany’s dragons. No reason to close the door completely.
Also… if dragons are modeled on birds, then as soon as they complete their juvenile phase they’ll start producing eggs. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are clutches of dragon eggs under the overhang of the roof of the Mereen pyramid, in the nooks and crannies of Dragonstone, and elsewhere.
Tinfoil interpreration: In FoF 2.0 in S7e4, didn’t Drogon look like his/her belly was distended? That’s what an egg-laden hen looks like.
Birds are little saurians, one would think, dragons are saurians too – so one thinks: of course!
Dragons will be gone by the end. They are WMD in George’s own words and don’t give you that ability to be a just ruler. George is very anti war and he portrayed wars as something truly terrible.
This is in the end a story about the human heart and it’s fight with itself.
As for Drogon carrying eggs. Septon Barth theorized that dragons didn’t have gender. And Septon Barth theories are George R R Martin putting his own meta game.
I just figured ‘he’ was gassy. 🙂
How that chunky bitch stays in the air I’ll never know! 🙊😂
Eonwe,
Wasn’t the most just and wise Westerosi ruler Jaeherys I who had a dragon?
Also, haven’t some of the most unjust rulers been those without dragons? Tywin. Ramsey. Joffrey. Aerys II…
Not sure a dragon really prevents someone from being a just ruler if they want to be a just ruler or causes someone to be a monster
I try to imagine, what a planetos would look like by the time, when dragons grow and grow and reproduce. They grow gigantic and have gigantic appetite. They bbq their food and don’t like to share it. They would fight and nobody would be able to control them.
They would rule the worldos.
And mankind have to build another wall, deep down in the seas to protect themselves from fire…
House Monty,
“Dragons are the nuclear deterrent, and only [Daenerys Targaryen, one of the series’ heroines] has them, which in some ways makes her the most powerful person in the world,” Martin said in 2011. “But is that sufficient? These are the kind of issues I’m trying to explore. The United States right now has the ability to destroy the world with our nuclear arsenal, but that doesn’t mean we can achieve specific geopolitical goals. Power is more subtle than that. You can have the power to destroy, but it doesn’t give you the power to reform, or improve, or build.”
That´s what the author of the series says. Yeah, Tywin, Aerys, Ramsay are fine pieces of shits. Just picture them with dragons at their command.
The Valyrian freehold was the biggest empire of the world. And it was sustained on the migth of their dragons. The Ghiscary empire and the Roynar cities where utterly decimated by dragon fire. The andalos left Essos towards Westeros fleeing from the Valyrians, same as Nymeria and the rhoinish survivors.
Harrenhall the biggest castle of Westeros is a ruin. Dragonfire can melt stone. The army of the Reach and the Westerlands was decimated by three dragons. The Dragonpit (or it´s remains) stans where before was the Sept of the Coronation of Kings Landing. Maegor destroyed it with Balerion. The Dance of Dragons was the bloodiest war of Westeros history because both sides had dragons at their disposal and willing to use them.
Dragons brings destruction in a scale that no other weapon can in the World of Ice and Fire. And not every ruler is Jaehaerys I.
And make no mistake. There´s possible no worse King on the IT than Maegor “the cruel”. Because he was a nasty piece of work and unlike Joffrey or Ramsay he got Dragons. That´s what makes Maegor reign or the Dance so destructive events. The disposal of weapons of mass destruction.
Perhaps I misread your quote.
If you are saying that dragons give you a limited type of power and that to accomplish certain goals they are not helpful that I agree with. Having dragons does not give you the wisdom to pass good legislation, to know how to reform the system in the right way, to impose a lasting order that does not depend on fear.
I thought you said dragons preclude you from being a just ruler.
Although I hope the dragons stick around personally. Dragons bring the same problems humans in our own world face. How to deal with weapons of mass destruction. I think the humans in this world should have to confont that ongoing problem just like we do. My personal hope is that the way this story ends doesn’t resolve all of the problms the charcters need to face and deal with. There should be dothraki they meed to figure out what to do with. There should be some dragons. They solved one problem – white walkers and cersei – but just like real life solve one and another one pops up.
House Monty,
From the show, it sounded to me like the way the Targaryens dealt with their WMDs was to pen them up until over the course of a few generations they became the size of kittens. (That wouldn’t work with real life genetics, but I’m okay with fantasy science so long as it establishes rules and follows them.)
Ten Bears,
Yea. Although they did not know about the consequences.
Would be interesting to think what Daenerys would do since she was critical of them having done that having made the same mistake herself.
i actually thought mentioning the wildfire would be ok, as it has also been speculated about in non-“leaks”-related comments. i was ranting about the commenting person’s mentioning of involved persons and what they are supposed to do.
still, i see what you mean and apologize for leading any unsullied reader into temptation. i will try not to do this again.
i have read the books only one time, so i forgot a lot of the details. on the other side, i’ve rewatched the show so many times that even hardcore GoT fans in here might recommend i should get professional help 😉
what i remember from the show makes me think there’s no sense at all having campinggaz underneath the DP. if i could just remember where it was Tyrion visited that weird pyromaniac and told him to produce the stuff for him, not for Cersei… the scene in the build up for the Blackwater battle.
i also think, if there’s a cellar full of explosives under the DP, it would have been mentioned before. because seeing Drogon fly in to drop Dany for the meeting and knowing “ugh, dragon and place full of dynamit =/= safe” would have added some few extra seconds of chewing our nails to that scene. which of course did not need anything added, but still 😉
I actually don’t think there was wildfire beneath the Dragonpit on the show either. That doesn’t mean some couldn’t be moved there. It’s just that the show’s Dragonpit appeared on flat ground a long way from anything else as opposed to on a hill in the city on the ground where a sept once stood with the possibility of tunnels and crypts beneath it.
The show did make it a possibility with the dialogue though. Yes, Tyrion visited the Pyromancers Guild and saw the storage room(s) THEY kept what they were making. However, that was not the stashes that Aerys II hid all over the city. Jaime told (us) that the Mad King had them everywhere and Qyburn telling Cersei that the rumors were true and so much more.
I wouldn’t want them to use the “sept trick” again at the pit so hopefully it’s not. It’d be pretty dumb for anyone to fall for that again.
this makes me wish the real WMDs of our times would have genes. the nukes have stayed inside their silos for so long that i’m sure there would be only firecrackers for kids left to be launched.
in a good world, GRRM would have written the story of the cold war. and those hundreds of warmongerers responsible for decades of keeping peace by threatening each other would be inhabitants of a flea bottom theme park.
death by chickenfire,
You do realize that in “apologizing” for doing it, you just did it again, don’t you?
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i understood Qyburn’s word about the rumours as “yes, there’s enough under the sept to blow it up”.
and i’m absolutely with you when it comes to green flames: no more!
actually: no. i don’t see it. i thought i have done my best to separate stuff that has been discussed here anyway from stuff that shoudn’t be mentioned.
where have i gone the wrong way?
death by chickenfire,
You remember correctly. The Alchemists Guild’s pyromancers can crank out wildfire. There’s no need to look for Mad King stashes. In the scene with Pyromancer Hallyne, played by the late, great Roy Dotrice (S2e5, I think), Tyrion commandeers Cersei’s wildfire pots because her plan to fling the pots from the city walks was f*cking stupid (as Bronn explained), and tells the Pyromancer that from now on he’d be making wildfire for Tyrion himself.
There’s no reason to think that with Cersei back in charge, she hasn’t ordered the Pyromancers to ramp up wildfire production.
“Cersei back in charge” and the state of her mind… that is what i may have ignored a bit too much. thank you for beating me to it.
Ten Bears,
death by chickenfire,
I’d be shocked if Cersei hasn’t been stockpiling wildfire all this time. We know for a fact she did, up to a point. There’s a big Great Sept-shaped hole in King’s Landing attesting to that. Why would she limit herself to producing just enough for that and then stop? That doesn’t sound like Cersei to me.
Ten Bears,
Heres a really off the wall plot twist. What if because The Mountain is already undead that he cant be changed by the NK and he decides to sacrifice and redeem himself by saving his brothers life in battle and sacrificing his own