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New promos for Game of Thrones season 6 featuring Houses Stark, Lannister and Targaryen!

Posted on by Sue the Fury

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On Twitter today, HBO unveiled three new promo videos teasing Game of Thrones season 6 featuring the sigils of three great houses- and the threats to each of those families. We’ve gathered up all three clips here for your enjoyment.

The first, focusing on House Stark, includes Iwan Rheon’s voice speaking as Ramsay Bolton, declaring Winterfell to be his. But with the Stark flag flying, how long will that remain true in season 6?

House Lannister’s video features Jonathan Pryce as the High Sparrow (with a cameo by Septa Unella’s ‘Shame’ chorus), threatening to overthrow their empire. 

The final clips centers on House Targaryen, and the Dothraki threat Daenerys finds herself up against in season 6. The Dothraki voice mocks her titles as the Targaryen flag burns. I’m not certain which character is narrating, though it may be Joe Naufahu as Khal Jhaqo.

It’s great to see the promo campaign for season 6 begin in earnest! What do you think of the newest teases?

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611 Comments

  8. hodor!

    Starks will probably take back Winterfell… Revolution’s imminent in King’s Landing… Daenerys has trouble with the Dothraki, but will probably win them over eventually…

  11. Ramsay’s line should add yet more fuel for the theory that he kills Roose; though at this point I think that’s a theory in the sense that Jon’s parentage is.

  13. so High Sparrow threatening House Lannister.
    Dothraki threatening House Targaryen.
    and Ramsay threatening House Stark.

    my guess is that all three of these threats will be destroyed this season lol.

  17. I love that the Dothraki for “you are nothing” sounds like he’s saying “you suck”. Bolton you are GOING DOWN even if I have to climb into the tv and kill you myself!!

  18. Stop being teases, HBO, and give me the trailer already!

    But I do love these little teaser trailers. The Ramsay/WF/Stark one has me smiling like an idiot.

    And, yes, I’m getting a distinct Pink Letter vibe from “come and see”. I want to believe he’s taunting Jon but I could also see the show go a different direction and have Ramsay send the letter to Littlefinger. So, does this also mean Roose is dead, since Ramsay is proclaiming WF his?

    Gods, I hope I did the spoiler thing correctly. A thousand apologies if I didn’t.

  19. OOOOOOOOOOH.

    Awesome.

    I so want a Hodor flag.

    We zoom on Hodor’s sigil.

    “Hodor.”

    “Hodor.”

    “HODOR.”

    GOT 4.24.16.

  24. Sounds like season 6 will be very interesting. Wonder to whom the High Sparrow says these words.

  26. “The millionth of your name. Queen of Nothing”.

    I rather liked that one. I do expect, however, that means that the speaker will die, screaming.

  28. Well that’s an improvement from last year’s promo… although literally anything would be improvement from last year’s promo. Now we’re what, maybe 3 weeks away from an actual trailer?

    (Hopefully House Bolton bites the dust once and for all this season, getting real sick of them.)

  29. What makes you think that line is any hint that Ramsay will kill Roose?

    My fan theory – which has no basis in reality and is thus not a spoiler – is the hope that Season 6 might actually bring the Battle of Winterfell *closer* to the book version, and reveal that the curb-stomp one sided battle it seemed to be in the finale was just D&D’s addiction to cliffhangers, and misdirection.

    Well, rather, consider:

    Even in the TV show, Ramsay urges at council meeting they need to attack Stannis head on. Roose, however, makes it a point to say to him no, they shouldn’t; they are behind strong fortifications and can just wait Stannis out, and even if Ramsay would probably win, they need *every man they have* to hold the North against their Stark-loyal vassals (who are admittedly devastated but could cause problems for them). Roose repeatedly said earlier in the season that they have so few men, and the Lannisters are unable and unwilling to give them any more, that even after the losses they took at the Red Wedding, they’re going to have difficulty grinding down the other Stark vassals into obedience.

    So Roose would be angry if Ramsay lost even a few men in a victory over Stannis.

    Generally this is also what I think is going to happen in the novels’ version: Ramsay might actually defeat Stannis, but it will be such a pyrrhic victory that it will heavily damage the Bolton’s position — particularly because it was an *avoidable* battle, if Ramsay had just stayed where he was, behind castle walls with good provisions.

    So, what seem to be strong hints are:

    1 – Roose repeatedly warned in the TV show that they barely have enough men to hold the North if every vassal House rebels at once.
    2 – Ramsay directly asked to attack Stannis head-on, and Ramsay explicitly forbid him, saying there was no reason to, and yes they’d win, but they’d take utterly avoidable losses in the process, when they could afford to just wait out Stannis.
    3 – They kept in that Roose is repeatedly getting annoyed at Ramsay’s impulsivity.
    4 – Roose is nowhere to be seen when Ramsay actually rides out to attack Stannis.

    So my theory, really a hope, is that Ramsay will ride back into Winterfell, inform Roose of what happened, proud that he “won”, only in short order for Roose to be very critical, ask how many men he lost. Ramsay will explain he actually lost like a fourth to a third of his men, a significant number. Roose will be outright shouting that they couldn’t afford to lose any men, they needed them long-term to hold the North against other Stark vassals, and he could have just waited out Stannis like he *told* him to.

    Then, messengers will come to the courtyard to say that Sansa *and* Theon have escaped, because Ramsay took most of the guards to go and fight Stannis. Roose will outright *punch* Ramsay that his impulsive need for a quick “victory” cost them even worse now, perhaps threaten that he’s seriously thinking of making Walda’s child his heir.

    Ramsay will then, in some fashion, kill Roose — realizing that his mounting failures mean Roose will never leave House Bolton to him.

    I hope they also throw in a line of Roose asking how many of Stannis’s men Ramsay personally killed, Ramsay gives a number, then Roose corrects and asks “how many of them *weren’t* wounded men you finished off after the battle ended?”, and have Ramsay look nervous.

    This wouldn’t be *that* far removed from the books, I guess, but also explain why Stannis’s off-screen fight in the Season 5 finale seemed so laughably one-sided: cinematic misdirection. Why hit us over the head so much, visually, with “this is one sided”, even though earlier in the same season, Roose said they should avoid fighting Stannis entirely? Cliffhanger to turn the tables on Ramsay in Season 6.

  30. “Winterfell is mine, Come and see.” Whoa.

    Pink letter get hype. Ramsay will ask for his bride and reek.

  32. God I love those Dothraki Lines, they sound so intimidating. Awesome having the Dothraki back, can’t wait ^^

  35. Wow, I love it! Great concept.

    I was waiting for the full trailer but these 3 teasers are a good surprise!

  42. Nice! Something to tide us over until the trailer in mid February hopefully during Vinyl’s premeire.

    So is this Season 6 dialogue/footage, or recorded specifically for these teasers?

  43. Newbietothegame:
    Sounds like season 6 will be very interesting. Wonder to whom the High Sparrow says these words.

    I see him riling up those in Flea Bottom, and as has already been said, this points to a potential revolt in King’s Landing.

  46. Jack Bauer 24:
    Nice! Something to tide us over until the trailer in mid February hopefully during Vinyl’s premeire.

    So is this Season 6 dialogue/footage, or recorded specifically for these teasers?

    I believe it might be season 6 dialogue.

  48. The Dragon Demands:
    What makes you think that line is any hint that Ramsay will kill Roose?

    My fan theory – which has no basis in reality and is thus not a spoiler – is the hope that Season 6 might actually bring the Battle of Winterfell *closer* to the book version, and reveal that the curb-stomp one sided battle it seemed to be in the finale was just D&D’s addiction to cliffhangers, and misdirection.

    Well, rather, consider:

    Even in the TV show, Ramsay urges at council meeting they need to attack Stannis head on.Roose, however, makes it a point to say to him no, they shouldn’t; they are behind strong fortifications and can just wait Stannis out, and even if Ramsay would probably win, they need *every man they have* to hold the North against their Stark-loyal vassals (who are admittedly devastated but could cause problems for them).Roose repeatedly said earlier in the season that they have so few men, and the Lannisters are unable and unwilling to give them any more, that even after the losses they took at the Red Wedding, they’re going to have difficulty grinding down the other Stark vassals into obedience.

    So Roose would be angry if Ramsay lost even a few men in a victory over Stannis.

    Generally this is also what I think is going to happen in the novels’ version:Ramsay might actually defeat Stannis, but it will be such a pyrrhic victory that it will heavily damage the Bolton’s position — particularly because it was an *avoidable* battle, if Ramsay had just stayed where he was, behind castle walls with good provisions.

    So, what seem to be strong hints are:

    1 – Roose repeatedly warned in the TV show that they barely have enough men to hold the North if every vassal House rebels at once.
    2 – Ramsay directly asked to attack Stannis head-on, and Ramsay explicitly forbid him, saying there was no reason to, and yes they’d win, but they’d take utterly avoidable losses in the process, when they could afford to just wait out Stannis.
    3 – They kept in that Roose is repeatedly getting annoyed at Ramsay’s impulsivity.
    4 – Roose is nowhere to be seen when Ramsay actually rides out to attack Stannis.

    So my theory, really a hope, is that Ramsay will ride back into Winterfell, inform Roose of what happened, proud that he “won”, only in short order for Roose to be very critical, ask how many men he lost.Ramsay will explain he actually lost like a fourth to a third of his men, a significant number.Roose will be outright shouting that they couldn’t afford to lose any men, they needed them long-term to hold the North against other Stark vassals, and he could have just waited out Stannis like he *told* him to.

    Then, messengers will come to the courtyard to say that Sansa *and* Theon have escaped, because Ramsay took most of the guards to go and fight Stannis.Roose will outright *punch* Ramsay that his impulsive need for a quick “victory” cost them even worse now, perhaps threaten that he’s seriously thinking of making Walda’s child his heir.

    Ramsay will then, in some fashion, kill Roose — realizing that his mounting failures mean Roose will never leave House Bolton to him.

    I hope they also throw in a line of Roose asking how many of Stannis’s men Ramsay personally killed, Ramsay gives a number, then Roose corrects and asks “how many of them *weren’t* wounded men you finished off after the battle ended?”, and have Ramsay look nervous.

    This wouldn’t be *that* far removed from the books, I guess, but also explain why Stannis’s off-screen fight in the Season 5 finale seemed so laughably one-sided: cinematic misdirection.Why hit us over the head so much, visually, with “this is one sided”, even though earlier in the same season, Roose said they should avoid fighting Stannis entirely?Cliffhanger to turn the tables on Ramsay in Season 6.

    I’ve always been under the impression that the sellswords that abandoned Stannis after the burning immediately went to Winterfell to fight for the winning side. With freshly reinforced and mounted men the Boltons then knew it would be a rout so they changed tactics and charged to the surprise of Stannis. The sellswords had intel on how weak he and his remaining men were.

  49. OMG … what a giddy bunch of Thrones fanatics we are!! I love it!!

    Glad I’m not the only one!!

  52. Wow. Great teasers! We still have no proper season six footage, but four or five lines or audio already.

    Sean C.:
    Ramsay’s line should add yet more fuel for the theory that he kills Roose; though at this point I think that’s a theory in the sense that Jon’s parentage is.

    Thought the same thing.

  55. So looks like jon snow “the one who knows nothing ” and daenerys” Queen of nothing “are going to prove their worth this season ..

    Can’t wait for the trailer ..

  60. I think that true revolution in King’s Landing (or maybe even in whole Westeros) is something we haven’t believed to happen. But if it does, it can make Daenerys more popular and what about 1st democratic elections in Westeros? In this case if Daenerys helps them, she may get the throne or if they get the power by themselves she might get forced to kill them.

  61. Wonder that ramsay line is said to

    jon and this is when they go and parlay inside winterfell along with sansa and LF

  64. Sean C.,

    They didn’t.

    After his marriage to Sansa he said:

    Ramsay Bolton: My beautiful wife. One day I’ll be Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North. You’ll be my Lady and Wardeness.

  67. dragonbringer,

    We don’t know if that scene is before or after.Under what circumstances.He will send a letter to convince him to march south to Winterfell.What if is this only meant for this teaser and in the show he send a letter with different words asking for his bride and reek who escaped.

  69. The Dragon Demands:
    What makes you think that line is any hint that Ramsay will kill Roose?

    My fan theory – which has no basis in reality and is thus not a spoiler – is the hope that Season 6 might actually bring the Battle of Winterfell *closer* to the book version, and reveal that the curb-stomp one sided battle it seemed to be in the finale was just D&D’s addiction to cliffhangers, and misdirection.

    Well, rather, consider:

    Even in the TV show, Ramsay urges at council meeting they need to attack Stannis head on.Roose, however, makes it a point to say to him no, they shouldn’t; they are behind strong fortifications and can just wait Stannis out, and even if Ramsay would probably win, they need *every man they have* to hold the North against their Stark-loyal vassals (who are admittedly devastated but could cause problems for them).Roose repeatedly said earlier in the season that they have so few men, and the Lannisters are unable and unwilling to give them any more, that even after the losses they took at the Red Wedding, they’re going to have difficulty grinding down the other Stark vassals into obedience.

    So Roose would be angry if Ramsay lost even a few men in a victory over Stannis.

    Generally this is also what I think is going to happen in the novels’ version:Ramsay might actually defeat Stannis, but it will be such a pyrrhic victory that it will heavily damage the Bolton’s position — particularly because it was an *avoidable* battle, if Ramsay had just stayed where he was, behind castle walls with good provisions.

    So, what seem to be strong hints are:

    1 – Roose repeatedly warned in the TV show that they barely have enough men to hold the North if every vassal House rebels at once.
    2 – Ramsay directly asked to attack Stannis head-on, and Ramsay explicitly forbid him, saying there was no reason to, and yes they’d win, but they’d take utterly avoidable losses in the process, when they could afford to just wait out Stannis.
    3 – They kept in that Roose is repeatedly getting annoyed at Ramsay’s impulsivity.
    4 – Roose is nowhere to be seen when Ramsay actually rides out to attack Stannis.

    So my theory, really a hope, is that Ramsay will ride back into Winterfell, inform Roose of what happened, proud that he “won”, only in short order for Roose to be very critical, ask how many men he lost.Ramsay will explain he actually lost like a fourth to a third of his men, a significant number.Roose will be outright shouting that they couldn’t afford to lose any men, they needed them long-term to hold the North against other Stark vassals, and he could have just waited out Stannis like he *told* him to.

    Then, messengers will come to the courtyard to say that Sansa *and* Theon have escaped, because Ramsay took most of the guards to go and fight Stannis.Roose will outright *punch* Ramsay that his impulsive need for a quick “victory” cost them even worse now, perhaps threaten that he’s seriously thinking of making Walda’s child his heir.

    Ramsay will then, in some fashion, kill Roose — realizing that his mounting failures mean Roose will never leave House Bolton to him.

    I hope they also throw in a line of Roose asking how many of Stannis’s men Ramsay personally killed, Ramsay gives a number, then Roose corrects and asks “how many of them *weren’t* wounded men you finished off after the battle ended?”, and have Ramsay look nervous.

    This wouldn’t be *that* far removed from the books, I guess, but also explain why Stannis’s off-screen fight in the Season 5 finale seemed so laughably one-sided: cinematic misdirection.Why hit us over the head so much, visually, with “this is one sided”, even though earlier in the same season, Roose said they should avoid fighting Stannis entirely?Cliffhanger to turn the tables on Ramsay in Season 6.

    I whole wholeheartedly hope you enjoyed writing that biblical body of text 🙂

  71. was hoping for more revealing teasers. Are they still going to do a real promo with scenes from the next season?

  72. I have to admit I didn’t enjoy last season-though I love the show. HOWEVER, every single thing I’m hearing and seeing about what’s coming next just makes me more and more excited for 6 to start. Those promos gave me chills.
    I wouldn’t mind if they had one for

    ToJ in BR’s voice

    Also I can’t wait to “come and see” Ramsay die horribly. 🙂

  77. Sean C.,

    They are a bit different. Ramsay killing Roose is pure speculation at this point. The idea does not explain anything in the books or on the show, as it is in the future. Jon’s parentage is a hypothesis that explains numerous details, both in the books and on the show. It is the difference between predicting what the Stock Market will do over the next year, and offering explanations for why the Stock Market has done well or poorly or in between in the past.

    One thing that this does point towards, however: there will be major uphill battles for the remaining Starks, Lannisters and Targaryen!

  83. The Targaryen one is pretty epic. That (possibly) Khal is giving Dany some serious shit. I’m so pumped!!

  84. The Dragon Demands: Generally this is also what I think is going to happen in the novels’ version: Ramsay might actually defeat Stannis, but it will be such a pyrrhic victory that it will heavily damage the Bolton’s position — particularly because it was an *avoidable* battle, if Ramsay had just stayed where he was, behind castle walls with good provisions.

    Ah, but things unfold differently in the book. There, Roose

    knows that he has to do something against Stannis. Tactically, it would be better to wait out the siege: but there is a near state-of-war between the Freys and the Manderlys, and others such as Ramsay are clamoring to fight, if only because young men in this society are obliged to feel that way. Roose has to weigh politics (which includes “looking strong” in front of new vassals and allies) with tactics here. In other words, although it might be tactically smarter to stay in Winterfell, it will be strategically much smarter to hit Stannis. And, of course, add to this that it seems that agents of Stannis have just stolen “Arya” from the Boltons, and there is an additional tactical need to hit Stannis and hit him hard.

  86. And like many have said so far

    I need Ramsay dead ASAPPPPPPPPP
    I really wonder who is going to battle him next for Winterfell. LF?? Ughh another one I hate

    As for Dany, that line, well, gave me CHILLLLLLLLLS
    OMG! I cant wait anymore

  87. I’m not the biggest Lannister fan… but I CANNOT wait to see the demise of the High Sparrow. Assuming it happens of course…

  93. Alan,

    Actually. for a two-hour long film, the acts should breakdown by length roughly as follows: Act 1- 30 min; Act 2- 60 min; Act 3- 30 min.

    If you convert that into television seasons but keep the ratios the same, then Act 1 is seasons 1 + 2, Act 2 is seasons 3-6, and Act 3 is season 7 + 8.

    Of course, that’s somewhat arbitrary and totally subjective, but that’s my take.

  95. just a reminder for anyone who is interested but forgot.
    The Game of Thrones producers are nominated for a producers guiled award.
    the The Norman Felton Award for Outstanding Producer of Episodic Television, Drama
    Producers: David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, Bernadette Caulfield, Frank Doelger, Carolyn Strauss, Bryan Cogman, Lisa McAtackney, Chris Newman, Greg Spence
    The winners will be announced tomorrow.

  96. Matthew The Dragon knight:
    Thank you everyone, and jack, here something that might make you happy.
    http://highlighthollywood.com/2016/01/video-hbo-making-deal-with-imax-to-put-game-of-thrones-hardhome-jon-snow-twist-on-big-screen-highlight-hollywood-news/

    Awesome! “And there will be one hell of a Season 6 debut trailer, which will feature Jon Snow in a big way. The scene will be short, but it will give viewers even more questions than answers, and excite us even more.
    Our sources say, it’s not going to be clear that Jon returns, but it will give us a major clue.”

    Interesting…so would the trailer debut with the IMAX showing again, or was this bit separate from the IMAX rumor?

  100. clouddragon:
    Brace yourselves, promos are coming.

    (trailer next weekend?)

    Usually they don’t release things that close together. I still say February that way they can have another trailer in March then a last one in April before the premiere.

  101. This is badass!

    Just as good as the earlier season one on face book where you had to place a banner up for one of the houses.

    Love it! I am sooo feeling GoT right now!

  103. Jack Bauer 24: Usually they don’t release things that close together. I still say February that way they can have another trailer in March then a last one in April before the premiere.

    sounds like a plan, I was kind of hoping for a Greyjoy trailer, but I shouldn’t be greedy.
    I would have died and went to heaven if I head Euron Greyjoy for the first time saying some line from season 6.

  104. Damn…

    That Dothraki one at the end is scary.

    That guy has an awesome voice and the Dothraki language sounds brutal!

  106. Jack Bauer 24: Awesome! “And there will be one hell of a Season 6 debut trailer, which will feature Jon Snow in a big way.The scene will be short, but it will give viewers even more questions than answers, and excite us even more.
    Our sources say, it’s not going to be clear that Jon returns, but it will give us a major clue.”

    Interesting…so would the trailer debut with the IMAX showing again, or was this bit separate from the IMAX rumor?

    Not sure, I think it was supposed to go with the Imax Rumor, I wouldn’t mind ^^ watching those episodes in Imax would be a dream.

  110. Adam,

    That’s not a strict rule. Normally, acts tend to be of similar lenght. For example, in The Empire Strikes Back, there are three clear acts, each of them of around 40 minutes.

    It’s difficult to know what (if any) the structure of this series will be, but if Seasons 1-4 can be considered Act 1 (the ending of season 4 did seem to work as a proper conclussion, instead of a set-up or a cliffhanger, as other finales), then Act 2 isn’t over yet. It’s hard to know if Season 6 will be the end of said arc (which should include Dany’s return to Westeros) or not.

  111. Deesensfan,

    I have sympathy for her. I can’t blame her for her father being an utter scumbag (to put it mildly), nor can I blame her for marrying Roose. It isn’t as though she really had any choice. As for other Freys, though, yeah, I want them to die slowly and painfully.

  112. Is the dothraki really dothraki? I thought a few words sounded to me like Ghiscari or am I wrong?

    Anyway, so happy for any little piece of new stuff from the show….still 93 days to go….

  113. Three houses on the cusp of downfall. I predict one house will have a resurgence, one will survive and another will be almost extinct by the end of season 6.
    Consider me teased.

  114. Deesensfan,

    You’ll could get spoiled regarding both the books and the show with the answer to this question. I would avoid info about him unless you don’t care.

  116. Geralt of Rivia:
    Matthew The Dragon knight,

    Is this reliable source or not?

    Well as far as I know, that site hasn’t posted anything bullshit related so far, just think of it as a rumor until confirmed, but this is the only real clue of a trailer and imax experience. so far I trust the site.

  117. Matthew The Dragon knight: sounds like a plan, I was kind of hoping for a Greyjoy trailer, but I shouldn’t be greedy.
    I would have died and went to heaven if I head Euron Greyjoy for the first time saying some line from season 6.

    The second trailer for Season 5 was March 9 (About a month from the premiere) 37 days after the first one on January 30th. If we get one around February 14th, 37 days from then would March 22nd (about a month from the premeire).

  119. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I know I know… the good person in me would never blame her for her for her fathers behavior…. but the Stark fan in me is still waiting for some sort of red wedding revenge. In any shape or form. 🙁

  122. Jack Bauer 24: The second trailer for Season 5 was March 9 (About a month from the premiere) 37 days after the first one on January 30th.If we get one around February 14th, 37 days from then would March 22nd (about a month from the premeire).

    So if the Imax thing is true, they would have to announce it probably toward the end of this month. and if we are getting it and the trailer comes with it, we can pinpoint when the second trailer comes out. Let’s cross our fingers.

  123. Waxfoot,

    Okay if I think I know which house you are referring to for each prediction. then I love you hahaha
    I hope youre right and I am right

  124. If Ramsay does kill Roose, could that mean that the two bodies on the crosses could actually be Walda and Roose??

  125. Deesensfan:
    Dame Pasty,

    No I do not want to know!

    I thought I missed something about the greyjoys from seasons 1-5.

    Haha!
    Thank you!

    So Sorry, please bleep that out and ignore me XD
    I seem to have no common sense, I blame my excitement XD

  126. Connor,

    That’s what I was thinking… “Come See”

    I have my father and his wife carrying child hanging upside down and flayed…

  127. Fantastic stuff. A big step up from those Raven teasers of last season so shows they are learning

    Looking forward to the full trailers soon

  128. Deesensfan,

    As a big Stark fan, I’m with you, but if there’s one Frey I’d like to see spared, it would be Walda. 🙂

    Also, sorry if mentioning Euron’s name felt like any kind of spoiler. His name has been included in the title of articles, so it never occurred to me it would seem spoilery.

  129. Matthew The Dragon knight,

    if we really get anything from episodes 8-10 in IMAX that would be absolutely great. Since we have not heard about it until now I thought that ship had sailed. I would definitely be looking forward to it. Last year was great – I hope I will be in the US during that time again….

  130. Teasers on Friday = Trailer on Sunday. CAN’T WAIT 😀

    Also there is no way that those are actually lines from the show. They sound like they were specifically recorded for these teasers.

  131. I wish there was a way for them to do a Greyjoy promo without simultaneously giving away the plot-point that there’s Greyjoys now.

  132. Matthew The Dragon knight: So if the Imax thing is true, they would have to announce it probably toward the end of this month. and if we are getting it and the trailer comes with it, we can pinpoint when the second trailer comes out. Let’s cross our fingers.

    Yeah hopefully. Next week is the last week of the month and then we’ll be in February. Things are heating up 🙂

  133. Greatjon of Slumber:
    OOOOOOOOOOH.

    Awesome.

    I so want a Hodor flag.

    We zoom on Hodor’s sigil.

    “Hodor.”

    “Hodor.”

    “HODOR.”

    GOT 4.24.16.

    Lol, would so love to see a Hodor teaser, but with Bran saying “Hodor, stop Hodoring” with the implicit threat of being taken over once again

    Yep, if there is an enemy of peacable Hodor it would be the kid he is bound to who semi regularly takes over his body and makes him do stuff like kill people

  134. Dragonmcmx:
    Teasers on Friday = Trailer on Sunday. CAN’T WAIT

    Also there is no way that those are actually lines from the show. They sound like they were specifically recorded for these teasers.

    My Sweet Summer Child…. ;/>

  136. The Dragon Demands:
    This wouldn’t be *that* far removed from the books, I guess, but also explain why Stannis’s off-screen fight in the Season 5 finale seemed so laughably one-sided: cinematic misdirection.Why hit us over the head so much, visually, with “this is one sided”, even though earlier in the same season, Roose said they should avoid fighting Stannis entirely?

    It’s laughably cinematically one sided because half of Stannis’ army left. Roose said they should avoid fighting Stannis because he had a larger one, and had yet to lose half his army. This is incredibly obvious stuff, The Dragon, and because you avoided it your theory is nonsensical.

  138. Nippled Breastplate:
    Connor
    January 22, 2016 at 3:48 pm
    If Ramsay does kill Roose, could that mean that the two bodies on the crosses could actually be Walda and Roose??

      Quote  Reply

    Matthew The Dragon knight
    January 22, 2016 at 3:50 pm
    Deesensfan:

    Interesting

    I personally figured they had just abandoned Stannis and were possibly making their way back to Wall/Eastwatch to leave, but are still loosely in play

    Wouldn’t be surprised if they are part of the battle of six armies, they could actually be a replacement for the northern clansmen in Asha (TV Yara) storyline, who may break off from Stannis. In the TV show a part of me is curious as to whether they’ll take Deepwood Motte

  140. Rat Kook: I wish there was a way for them to do a Greyjoy promo without simultaneously giving away the plot-point that there’s Greyjoys now.

    Well, that’s also sort of why they would not use the Greyjoys in a promo. They want to remind people of why they watch Game of Thrones. Most of the main characters come from houses in the teaser. Theon is the only character from the Greyjoys, and he’s been much more a part of the Starks’ stories than anything else.

    We might see “new” stuff (including Greyjoys) when we get the jumbled trailer-type ads. However, right now they just want to remind people why they watch Game of Thrones. (And, yes: people do need to be reminded!)

    Nymeria Warrior Queen: As a big Stark fan, I’m with you, but if there’s one Frey I’d like to see spared, it would be Walda.

    OK, admit it: how many other people read this and could not help but to think: “But she’s such a big target!!!!” 😎

  141. Jack Bauer 24: Yeah hopefully. Next week is the last week of the month and then we’ll be in February. Things are heating up

    Indeed, hopefully game of thrones wins some more awards so we can talk about it while we wait. I have to say, they caught me off guard with these teasers and with the first one lol

  143. But why would the men follow Ramsey if he kills his own father? Probably they know he is a bastard. And if not, killing your own family is not a great start as leader of the Boltons.

    I think Roose will die in Riverrun. Ramsey kills Walda.

  145. Iwan Rheon is wonderful. Definitely a PL sounding statement.

    Ramsay isn’t leaving this mortal coil this season.

  146. Waxfoot:
    Three houses on the cusp of downfall. I predict one house will have a resurgence, one will survive and another will be almost extinct by the end of season 6.

    I really hope the last one is the Targaryen house
    All what Dany doing is ‘prove them worng’ !!

    The first season she begins almost a Slave then she ends up a Queen

    The second season she begins with nothing and and then she end up with gold and a ship

    Third season she begins with a few soldiers and she end up with an army and cities to rule

    The fourth season she begins with a few cities to rule and then she end up with a kingdom

    The fifth season she begins as a bad leader and everyone thought she is a weak and soon enough she’ll have no one in her side and then she ends up with Dorogon

    The sixth season she’ll will begins as a Queen of nothing and she’ll ends up as a Queen of all Easos !

    See ?, her storyline is so easy to guess , really I hope she die this season because clearly the charectar have nothing to offer and it’ll be a silly ending if she win the Iron Throne in the end.

  148. JCDavis,

    You mean the ones she can’t even control?!, I really don’t know what the matter with her!, even the Stark kids tamed their wolves by themselves though they were ‘kids’, but she didn’t. Why? because she’s ‘The Blood of The Dragon’?! , seriously I need someone to answer me this question: Why Dany didn’t tamed her Dragons? !

  151. The Blood of Winterfull: Why Dany didn’t tamed her Dragons?

    You can’t tame dragons. Dragons basically are like giant cats: you can get them to like you and rely on you, but never make the mistake of thinking that you “own” them or that they are beholden to you. The moment they have had enough ear scratching, they are done with you: until they want their ears scratched (or bellies filled or feet warmed) again.

    Dire wolves are, well, super-sized dogs. They just want a pack and to be loved….

  152. Exit81: David Peterson confirmed it was Dothraki here:

    Damn! And to think that I’d narrowed it down to either Dothraki or Klingon on my own…..

    😀

  153. Great teasers! got me wanting more though. The Stark and Targaryen are my favourite of the three teasers released.

    Hoping the Dothraki storyline this season won’t just be to drag Dany’s story out. Hoping her experiences make her into a better person and leader. She has come across as really spoilt and full of herself past few seasons.

  155. The Blood of Winterfull,

    Actually, I feel she demonstrated she had gotten at least a bit of control over R&V last season. When she took all those Great Masters down into the catacombs last season, they only bbq’ed the one she told them to bbq. If she had gained no control over them, I think they probably wouldn’t have stopped at one.

  156. Man, what amazing teases! Thank goodness it’s not that ‘sight’ crap again. And what a bleak portrait they’re painting…everyone’s in a terrible situation right now!

    At this rate, the White Walkers are going to get to Westeros, see that everyone’s already destroyed it, then call it a day, go back home, get in some track pants, and order a pizza and a movie on demand. Probably Frozen.

  157. Umbra:
    “winterfell is min. Come and see…” sounds

    What I don’t understand is why they didn’t include that before Jon gets stabbed. There is no logical reason for them to have withholded it. And Jon’s death would have made a lot more sense than ‘muh xenophobia’ if they did.

  158. Okay can I ask for something?
    I have a hearing problem so I actually can’t hear what they said in the Stark & Lannister teasers
    Can anyone please write down what they said?, and please cover them with the spoilers tag.

  160. Wimsey,

    White Walkers didn’t until just recently, of course – now many things trigger those memories. #stillnotoverit!! And now…add Glenn Frey to that imagery. *whimpers*

    And…I agree. GRRM and D & D did give those top five characters the “time” they have received in books and show just to get tired of them and kill them. There is purpose for their being relevant in the last arc of the show/books.

  161. hype man baelish,

    Because that is a set up for a conflict between

    Ramsay and Jon

    , and that wasn’t part of S5.

    And xenophobia was part of Jon’s arc in S5 the whole time. Throwing that letter there would seem out of place, just like it was in the books.

  162. The Blood of Winterfull,

    Ramsay: Winterfell is mine, come and see

    High Sparrow: Every one of us is poor. And powerless. And yet together, we can overthrow an empire.

    Dothraki: You are nobody. The millionth of your name. Queen of nothing.

  163. Perfect! The Dothraki voice-over is appropriately ominous. We need an appearance by Drogon.

    Connor,
    That’s what I think.

    Ramsay burns his father and Walda on the crosses believing that no one will challenge him. Cue Jon, the Wildings and Wun-Wun. One can hope…

  164. hype man baelish: What I don’t understand is why they didn’t include that before Jon gets stabbed. There is no logical reason for them to have withholded it. And Jon’s death would have made a lot more sense than ‘muh xenophobia’ if they did.

    I think the fact that Jon was sitting there reading messages just before Olly came in was a deliberate nod and (a bit of a wink) to the book and book-readers who may have been anticipating it. I lol’ed when it happened and thought “D&D, you big teasers!”

    As for why they did it: I think it may have given too much away in terms of what’s happening at Winterfell, including the fact that he is now its Lord. Also, in the show timeline, Theon and Sansa have only just escaped; in terms of pacing, there was no time in that packed finale to have Ramsay react to them being missing, compose his letter and (presumably) kill his father etc.

  167. Matthew The Dragon knight,

    I am MOST looking forward to Euron on-screen! I think he’ll be brilliantly horrible!

    Speaking of horrible, the tease with Ramsay is fantastic even though I can’t stand him! Love Iwan, though.

    And the Dothraki Khal giving Daeny a hard time…I hope she stares him in the eyes and then calmly whistles for Drogon… 🙂

  168. What wonderful teasers! And so clever too!

    I have this feeling that all three speakers will die. 😀 Even if all three don’t die in Season 6, they will leave the mortal coil eventually before the end of the show!

  169. I’m sorry for being off topic, but this has been on my mind for the kast couple of weeks. Has anyone considered the possibility that Gendry is Jon Arryns bastard? And the possible consequenses if he is?

  171. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    Deesensfan,

    I have sympathy for her.I can’t blame her for her father being an utter scumbag (to put it mildly), nor can I blame her for marrying Roose.It isn’t as though she really had any choice.As for other Freys, though, yeah, I want them to die slowly and painfully.

    I tend to agree with NWQ, not her fault, most likely not her choice, I slide just a bit to the right of it though, if the Gods of Westeros are fair, then Walder Frey will have to loose his Grand child at a minimum, it’s just unfortunet that in that world it also means Walda .

  172. r-hard,

    “Conspiracy theory” is the appropriate term: although one could argue that your term is pretty much the same! 😀

    Seriously, this was a case where some readers really wanted (and perhaps still want) the letter to be a forgery. Most of the “evidence” is just stuff they imagine on their own, either filling in voids in the book (particularly why the putative author could not have written it), or even in direct conflict with the books (e.g.,

    Stannis, Theon or Mance as the authors.)

    I do think that this is a good example of the peril of inserting your own imagination into an author’s story.

  173. Nortman: Has anyone considered the possibility that Gendry is Jon Arryns bastard? And the possible consequenses if he is?

    Given that Gendry is a such a dead-ringer for Robert Baratheon that Ned Stark immediately recognized who he was, and given that Gendry states that he had a blonde mother (which makes dark hair really, really improbable with a blonde father!), no, it has not!

    Moreover, what are the consequences of Jon Arryn having a bastard son?

  174. Daenerys storyline is going to be awesome this year! And Ramsey taunting a stark to come and see is simply delicious.! As for Lannister I don’t give a @&$#%

  175. Grailking: if the Gods of Westeros are fair, then Walder Frey will have to loose his Grand child at a minimum, it’s just unfortunet that in that world it also means Walda

    Gods being fair? Not in this story!

    At any rate, I suspect that Walder Frey will lose a lot more than just a grandchild when all is done and said.

  177. I think it would be great for Walder Frey to be killed by his own son, not Arya or Blackfish.

    Tywin was killed by his son. Roose will be killed by his son. And I hope Walder Frey.

    It would be like a curse for what they did.

    Poetic justice.

  179. Wimsey,

    I agree. The only thing that really makes sense in the books is that Ramsay wrote that letter. Every other theory sounds just like “Cersei lied to Jaime about Myrcella’s necklace to send him to Dorne for whatever reason” or “Talisa is Tywin’s spy”.

    But, if Stannis is already dead in the books, why would GRRM put that battle at the beginning of TWOW? If we already know the result what is the point of showing that battle?

    Maybe there is some kind of twist, but I’m sure Stannis will be dead sooner or later and he won’t defeat the Boltons, because it doesn’t make sense from the storytelling perspective.

    Arya, Sansa and Jon must somehow contribute to the Starks’s revenge. If they are just bystanders and all the credits goes to Stannis (a minor character), what is the point of Sansa, Jon and Arya in this story at all? Why we followed their development for 5 books/seasons if that won’t matter in any way for the plot?

    It would be just like the death of Voldemort at the hands of Minerva McGonagall

  180. I just had a very weird cross-universe moment when watching the Lannister tease:

    At the end, when he says “We can overthrow an Empire” my mind suddenly heard the voice of Kylo Ren!

    *vertigo*

    😛

    Very exciting teasers… Targaryen was my favorite as Dothraki warriors being aggressive is very sexy. RIP Khal Drogo!

  181. This has me leaning towards thinking that Ramsay wrote the pink letter. I hope we get the rest of the pink letter dialogue in the show 🙂

  182. I cannot see a scenario in which Ramsay kills Roose. Now I do think that Ramsay will kill Walda and/or her unborn child. LF kills Roose, IMO and pretty early in the season like EP 1 or 2.

  183. Matthew The Dragon knight: Thank you everyone, and jack, here something that might make you happy.
    http://highlighthollywood.com/2016/01/video-hbo-making-deal-with-imax-to-put-game-of-thrones-hardhome-jon-snow-twist-on-big-screen-highlight-hollywood-news/

    Yes, Matthew, that did make me very happy – I have been watching for an announcement of an IMAX showing. I hope they work it out, ffs. And as I’ve said on many occasions, as frugal as I am about some things, I’d be more than willing to spend the time and money to see episodes 8, 9, AND 10 on IMAX. I hate spending the money on a movie that turns out to be not worth it, but I already know that seeing, especially episode 8 on the big screen, will be worth it.

    So glad I checked in on here today. The teases – I’m kind of with LuLus Mum, ready to climb in and squish Ramsay. Say the word, MUM, I’m with you.

    The Sparrow – so…overthrowing empires, are we? Only he’ll do it with shame. Everybody wants to rule the world, indeed. He’s not so pure anymore, bare feet aside The same bug has bitten the HS that has bitten every other person that’s achieved even a bit of power, except Jon. . . Jon is the only one worried about preserving things.

    Dany, I hope you wake up thoroughly this season, girl. This pacing back and forth in Essos is getting old. Will it take the mockery of the Dothraki to finally get you moving?

  184. Brandon:
    I cannot see a scenario in which Ramsay kills Roose.

    After Sansa’s escape Ramsay is useless to Roose. He has a new son on the way. If he threatens that he will delegitimize Ramsay, I’m sure Ramsay will be desperate enough to kill him and save his position.

    Death of Roose by his own son will be a start of the downfall for the Boltons. The same happened with the Lannisters and Tywin.

  187. With 8 seasons confirmed, I fully expect Daenerys to lounge around with the Dothraki for most of the season, sigh 🙁

    i really wanted her to get it over with in the first 2-3 episodes so she could resolve Meereen in the mid season and be marching to Westeros toward the end of the season.

  188. LordDavos,

    Dany is the underdog again.

    She wasn’t that since the middle of S3. I think that will make her character more compelling in both mediums. She will not speak from the position of power any more.

    She is a “Queen of nothing” now.

  190. Sue the Fury: Forever laughing at the image of an entire teaser constructed around Hodor, ending with an ominous “HOODDDDDOR.”

    I’d be happy if we could hear Hodor saying Hodor even once in a teaser, just so we know he’s going to be around.

  191. hype man baelish: What I don’t understand is why they didn’t include that before Jon gets stabbed. There is no logical reason for them to have withholded it. And Jon’s death would have made a lot more sense than ‘muh xenophobia’ if they did.

    Actually, if you reread the For the Watch chapter, you’ll notice little bits of the FtW conspiracy already going down before and while Jon Snow reads the pink letter. FtW happens immediately after the reading, in far too short a time for the Watch to get their panties in a wad over the letter and plan out the sudden but inevitable betrayal because of the letter.

    Also, we can put to rest other pink letter conspiracy theories, right? Does this trailer clearly show us that Ramsay wrote the letter? That’s my reaction, at least. We can still doubt the veracity of the contents, but I’m thinking we now know the author is genuine.

  193. Those teasers are so good.

    I loved that serious burn from the Dothraki. “Queen of Nothing”. Oh no you didn’t.

    pink letter time. Bastardbowl is coming.

    I can’t wait for the showdown between HS and Cersei. Here comes drunk and pissed off Cersei with

    frankenmoutain at her side. Killing some sparrows.

  196. A Stark has come to WINTERFELL . The sun will set on the Lannisters soon . The Targaryen will burn .

  198. mau,

    I don’t think delegitimization is a real thing.
    Catelyn V, ASOS

    If you make

    Jon

    legitimate, there is no way to turn him bastard again.

  200. Wimsey:
    r-hard,

    I do think that this is a good example of the peril of letting your own imagination run wild, unchecked by reason.

    I fixed it, Wimsey. You’re welcome.

    Seriously, without imagination, we wouldn’t have any theories, even the sound ones, if we only ever took what was literally on the paper. It takes imagination to say, wait, what if when R and L got together they had a baby and …. Then it takes reason to say, OMG, there is actually a mountain of evidence supporting this idea.

  201. Mau

    I think what’s interesting is she is going to have to use her wits, knowledge and experience to sort out the khals. This is clearly not going to be a straightforward case of dragonpower to the rescue.

  206. I don’t get the fan hate for the High Sparrow. He’s done some unjust things, especially the show version, but I’d side with him over the Lannisters and the Tyrells, who propped them up, any day.

  208. Love the Targaryen one. Hopefully it means Dany’s going to be in for a rude awakening this season.

  211. Was that Gendry rowing in the distance on the Lannister clip? LOL
    It would be nice to see him back in the story. It’s been a while!

  212. I really liked all three teasers, but by far my favorite one was the “Queen of Nothing”. I usually can’t stand dothrakis, but this one sounded badass, truly menacing.

    And yes, this is waaaay better than last year horrid The Sight videos.

  213. Alexandre Dumas:
    I’m not the biggest Lannister fan… but I CANNOT wait to see the demise of the High Sparrow.Assuming it happens of course…

    If the High Sparrow is Howland Reed, do you still want his demise?

  214. Eleanor: If the High Sparrow is Howland Reed, do you still want his demise?

    yes, I would like him to die rather than showing that ridiculous theory to be true.

  215. iridium,

    It’s no excuse still. It was poor planning on D & D’s part to have that finale so damn cluttered. And yes Ramsay would have had time to react and threaten Jon. It established that the for the watch scene happened way after the battle of winterfell with melly travelling to the wall on horse from winterfell right before it. Ramsay and Sansa even discussed Jon earlier and so of course Ramsay would suspect him of harboring Reek and Sansa. The show is probably afraid of making Jon any bit incompetent and announce he was breaking his vows. Sure would have been more compelling than Olly giving Jon daggers all season and the nonsesnse xenophobia on the show when jon isnt even stationing wildlings on the wall and having eyewitness accounts of the walkers. There is literally no excuse for this when they were including sam gilly scenes that could have waited for next season

  216. The Blood of Winterfull,

    The chaining of the dragons is a metaphorical one….dany chained her inner dragon and kept sacrificing again and again and was on the verge of losing herself …this was shown in the show where Darrio tells she is the only one that dont have choice …and when she did embrace her targaryen side and her inner dragon side..Drogon came …others got released. .
    If dany can’t control dragons I don’t know who else can .

    Glad to see so much love for dany’s one and not just jon

  217. Well Dany has ONE MORE BADASS TITLE!!! thank you for the idea Khal Jhaqo or whoever you are! Queen of The Millionth Name. most-epic-title-ever!

  218. Ginevra: Seriously, without imagination, we wouldn’t have any theories, even the sound ones, if we only ever took what was literally on the paper.

    That is not true at all. All we need is curiosity and wits. The question is posed: who is Jon’s mother? We then can sort through different hypotheses and ask how well they predict what we’ve read and seen. The better your wits, the more ideas you will search through; the greater your curiosity, the more effort you will put into thinking of ideas. But if you start using your own imagination, then you’ll start adding “support” for ideas that GRRM never added.

    It is similar for the other “big questions.” Who are the three heads? Are the three heads and the Promised Prince the same thing? What is the Little Brother? These are questions directly raised in the text. No imagination is required for any of this: only the curiosity to take interest in the questions are posed in the text and the wits to sort through different alternative ideas. Where people begin to get in trouble is when they begin imagining things that are not in the text, or imagining things that contradict the text. Leave your imagination out of it, and the probability of doing this diminishes greatly!

    In a way, it is no different from doing science or any other sort of critical thinking: you need quick wits, intense curiosity and piles of data, but you absolutely have to leave imagination out of it: you have to work with the data you see, not the figments of your imagination.

  220. Hype Man Baelish: There is literally no excuse for this when they were including sam gilly scenes that could have waited for next season

    The Sam and Gilly scenes all contributed to the Kill the Boy, Let the Man Be Born story that they were telling in Season 5. They will be telling a different story in Season 6, so those scenes would not have been useful there.

    As for the “clutter,” they had to tell a story last year. And that means that they had to end character archs on parallel notes at the same time. That is, after all, the essence of storytelling. A plot point like the Salmon Postcard was not as important as story.

    Moreover, given how many fans misread Jon’s assassination in the books as being a reaction to the Pink Letter instead of being because the Nationalist faction simply could not accept that the Wildlings were not the real enemy, the show was probably wise to emphasize exactly why Jon is being assassinated. This probably will be a very important plot and story point next year: the Northerners are not going to take quickly to a man who betrayed his vows by letting the Wildlings through the gate. Remember, that’s the Night Watch’s job. Unless, of course, you believe fairy tales about White Walkers, grumpkins and snarks….

  222. Dany will be speaking mounds of Dothraki again, where she is at her best. My excitement for that alone is unfathomable, and it’s not even close to the top of the list of things I’m looking forward to this season.

  225. Looper:
    Dany will be speaking mounds of Dothraki again, where she is at her best. My excitement for that alone is unfathomable, and it’s not even close to the top of the list of things I’m looking forward to this season.

    I agree. Clarke’s delivery, like Momoa’s, is best in Dothraki/Valryian for some reason. Or maybe it’s just that she’s always fire-and-blooding in that language.

    OT: Barristan Selmy and Ser Aliser Thorne are in a stage production of Gaslight together:
    http://www.torontosun.com/2016/01/21/gaslight-review-game-of-thrones-actors-elevate-dark-drama

    I looked at imdb to see what else Selmy’s doing: He’s going to be in a movie called The Truth Commisioner with Varys, Illyrio, Meryn Trant, and in all seriousness, Dwarf Hunter #2 and a GoT cameraman turned actor.

  227. Matthew The Dragon knight:
    Thank you everyone, and jack, here something that might make you happy.
    http://highlighthollywood.com/2016/01/video-hbo-making-deal-with-imax-to-put-game-of-thrones-hardhome-jon-snow-twist-on-big-screen-highlight-hollywood-news/

    OMG OMG OMG OMG!!! I’ve been waiting for this! I enjoyed last year’s IMAX event. If they’re concerned about the run time of three full episodes+a trailer, they could give us eps 8 & 9, a quick synopsis of 10 (or the “Previously on” from S6E1!) and then run the trailer. I’d really love it if they give away another “Beautiful Death” poster as well. I just love my “You know nothing” from last year’s event.

    These promos have me STOKED to see just a few images. Waiting patiently and checking in here every day…

  230. Nippled Breastplate,

    I think Stannis sent them to Winterfell to infiltrate the Bolton forces. Of course, Ramsey/Roose’s first command to prove their loyalty would have been to go attack Stannis. There was a bit in Season 2, Ep 10, after the Battle of Blackwater, where Mel tells Stannis ‘you will betray your family, you will betray the men serving you’. I think this is what that was referring to.

  231. Wimsey:
    In a way, it is no different from doing science or any other sort of critical thinking: you need quick wits, intense curiosity and piles of data, but you absolutely have to leave imagination out of it: you have to work with the data you see, not the figments of your imagination.

    I agree that it’s no different from science. I happen to think that some of those touted as our most brilliant scientists were not necessarily the smartest but the most imaginative. Einstein’s IQ is beaten by a great many scientists, but he had his imagination to pull everything together and come up with brilliant theories that no one else could. Before these theories were tested, he had only some evidence they’d pan out, and not all did. There are plenty of scientific theories from Einstein and others that don’t pan out. So it takes imagination to come up with these theories, but good scientists don’t put weight behind the theories until there is evidence to back them up.

    I am enough of the artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. –Einstein, http://www.saturdayeveningpost.com/2010/03/20/history/post-perspective/imagination-important-knowledge.html

  232. This just occurred to me (and is likely nonsense), but how amazing would it be if they had three trailers ready; each focusing on the North, KL, and Essos, and they released in an order based on “allegiance” votes… And the Northern trailer ended by fading from the Wall to black, with the sound of a distant horn!

  234. Wimsey,

    I thought of Einstein not knowing how well he’d prove my point for me. I keep finding kickass quotes from him, so here are some more:

    The greatest scientists are artists as well.

    When I examine myself and my methods of thought, I come close to the conclusion that the gift of imagination has meant more to me than any talent for absorbing absolute knowledge. All great achievements of science must start from intuitive knowledge. I believe in intuition and inspiration…. At times I feel certain I am right while not knowing the reason.

    The theory of relativity occurred to me by intuition.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/imagine/201003/einstein-creative-thinking-music-and-the-intuitive-art-scientific-imagination

  237. btw – It’s Nymeria Warrior Queen.

    teehee

    (Sorry, Sue, I’ll switch back. I really just couldn’t resist.)

  238. LordDavos:
    Really feeling excited at the thought of Dany being tested and showing her authority this season.

    I am very excited about her storyline too. It’s time to embrace her destiny as the one who hatched dragons, for crying out loud. They were given to her in Season ONE to do something noteworthy, not sit around and try to rule just Meereen. Time to root out the fundamental cause of slavery in Essos, before she sets sail for Essos and break down all the spokes on that wheel (Targs included).

  239. Ginevra: Einstein’s IQ is beaten by a great many scientists, but he had his imagination to pull everything together and come up with brilliant theories that no one else could.

    Einstein’s quotes are nice, but he’s using “imagination” as a synonym of “thinking.” Imagination is not thinking about how the details fit ideas: it’s dreaming up with details to bring an idea to life. Although it is true that many scientists are also fairly artistic (I’m a failed musician, and most of my colleagues play with arts of one sort or another), they are almost opposite processes.

    And that’s the danger of imagining while you read. Yes, it’s good to think: GRRM has ideas about Jon’s parents, the Promised Prince, etc., and he’s imagined details to bring those to life. If we are clever and attentive (and if GRRM has done a good job), then we should be able to piece together what GRRM’s ideas are before he unveils them completely.

    However, when readers start imagining their own details for Ramsey, Stannis, Howland Reed, etc., then you get a real distortion of what GRRM’s ideas are. People imagining Stannis as a righteous defender is what led to the complaints about his portrayal on the show: but if they had not let their imaginations overwrite GRRM’s, then they would have recognized the same character. Similarly, so many of the ideas about who wrote (and who did not write) the Pastel Red Missive were not details from GRRM’s imagination (or at least not ones he wrote!), but ones from their own: and in some cases, those reader imaginings were in direct conflict with what GRRM wrote.

    Einstein might have called what he did “imagining,” but in many ways, it was something opposite: instead of dreaming up details, he thought of explanations for things that he did not imagine. Oddly, we do not really have a verb for making mental leaps like that – we usually use compounds like “being clever” or “making a mental leap” – so perhaps that is why Einstein resorted to the word “imagination.”

  240. Wimsey: Einstein might have called what he did “imagining,” but in many ways, it was something opposite: instead of dreaming up details, he thought of explanations for things that he did not imagine. Oddly, we do not really have a verb for making mental leaps like that – we usually use compounds like “being clever” or “making a mental leap” – so perhaps that is why Einstein resorted to the word “imagination.”

    He imagined explanations for the things he saw: explanations that connected and fit with his vast knowledge about the world. I would say that Einstein is not only “thinking” but rather “intuitively thinking,” which requires a combination of knowledge and imagination. And, in one of the quotes, Einstein also implies that imagination and intuition are tied together.

    You’re implying that Einstein’s use of the word “imagination” is atypical, but that’s the same word the rest of us are using. Actually, your use of “imagination” as something nearly synonymous with “delusion” (believing things in the text or the world that aren’t there and have no support) is the one that appears to be atypical.

  241. Oh I don’t like that Ramsay is speaking in the Stark video. I haven’t gone through the comments here yet to see what other thoughts are but man that doesn’t make me too optimistic about his demise. 🙁

    Love the videos though. I also like the idea of Dany going through a Dothraki test of worthiness.

  242. Wimsey,

    Our personal connection with books stems as much from the strength of our imagination as from the original words and descriptions by the author.

  243. Webster’s definition of “imagination” is as follows:

    1. The act or power of forming a mental image.
    2. Creative ability
    3. Ability to confront and deal with a problem creatively.
    4. The thinking or active mind.
    5. A creation of the mind.
    6. The ability to think of new things.
    7. The ability to form a mental picture of something you have not experienced or seen.

    And some others…

    You really don’t form a mental picture of whatever you are reading? Really Wimsey?

    It would appear that per Webster’s your personal definition of “imagination” is somewhat narrow…No?

  244. Wimsey,

    And here are the definitions I am using for imagination.
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imagination

    Simple Definition of imagination

    : the ability to imagine things that are not real : the ability to form a picture in your mind of something that you have not seen or experienced
    : the ability to think of new things
    : something that only exists or happens in your mind

    Full Definition of imagination
    1: the act or power of forming a mental image of something not present to the senses or never before wholly perceived in reality
    2 a : creative ability
    b : ability to confront and deal with a problem : resourcefulness
    c : the thinking or active mind : interest <stories that fired the imagination>
    3 a : a creation of the mind; especially : an idealized or poetic creation
    b : fanciful or empty assumption

    I can see how 3b might align with your definition, but it is only one of three and the least common definition.

    George beat me to it!

  245. Kay

    Yes. Remember Varys’ definition of what was required included someone “stronger than Tommen” (that wouldn’t be hard) but “gentler than Stannis” (that still leaves plenty of scope for being strong) and a “monarch who can intimidate the high lords”. Dealing with the Dorhraki has to be a further step towards that.

  247. “Oh, I’m nobody’s baby, I’m everybody’s girl
    I’m the queen of nothing, I’m the king of the world.”

  250. These teasers are so much better than last seasons. It makes sense they start with the three most prominent houses considering much of their story lines were left hanging from last season. It wouldn’t make sense to show the Greyjoys ahead of the Lannisters since we haven’t really seen them last season but I’m pretty sure we’ll get more of the other houses in the coming weeks.

  251. The Starks and Targaryans will rise again because:

    your spoiler comments

    r+l=j where JS is resurrected by Melissandre to be the Lord of light. She left Stanis to return to Castle Black (TV series) just in time save JS. She is full of power from the burning of Stanis’s daughter. That sacrifice will give life such as the legend gave power to the sword light bringer by having it thrust upon forging into the breast of the wife. Mellisadre saw this in the flames of the sacrifice of Stanis’s daughter. That is why she finally left Stanis. Not because his forces were reduced otherwise she would have left him after the Black Water defeat. No what she saw is who the true Prince of light is and that he is waiting to be reborn by resurrection after the stabbing death. John Stark Targaryan descendant of the first men who beat the White-walkers and Fire of old Valeyria. Prince John will now rise to shed the Black as NW is now an irrelevant gang of cutthroats to weak to defend the wall. He must first remove the threat of the crazy Boltons as the pink letter is proof of their threat to union and Winter Fell is the key to John’s plan to defeat the WW. Melisandre is magic power John needs that she saw in him before at Castle Black. She tried to seduce him into the fold for the fight. But this was before Hardhome and John’s rise of WW killer. His sword now will bring the light and rally the forces to fight for the side of the living. NW has lost that as he truthfully stated to Mance ( TV series) to convince him he wanted to join them and leave NW. Now after being resurrected from being killed by the NW faithfull it’s really come true. To fight for the side of the living he must embrace his true identity and having been killed is no longer bound to the oath as that was John Snow’s pledge. Through Melissandra’s Magic and perhaps Bran John will now know who he has come back as The resurrected prince of light John Stark Targaryan.

    your spoiler comments

    Hopefully the so called spoiler comments are hidden.

  253. Simon,

    Baratheons are practically done.The remaining three key houses, most important and they were introduced to us at the beginning.If it was about three heads, then it would be about Tyrion and not cersei with faith.

    Rygritte,

    Show version of House of the Undying vision spilled it out.She’ll be within touching distance of Iron Throne and basically victorious,as you said,but in the last moment she’ll turn her eyes to North,towards Others.

  254. These teasers were so well done. The Targeryen/ Dothraki one was really good. For the first time, I am actually excited about the Dothraki. Guy’s got a great voice. Hope Dany’s arc next season is gritty and gripping.
    Regarding Ramsey, does it mean

    that Jon gets the PL and as he reads it, there will be a Ramsey voiceover?

    Also the lightning strike in the Winterfell video, was that lightning striking the Wall or was it a random location?

  255. Simon,

    Not really …

    These are three major houses that story revolves around and hence the focus ..even baratheon comes after them .

    The three dragon is right there along with lions and wolves .

    Did anyone downloaded the video because i can’t hear the voice in the video after downloading …
    Do any of you have the same problem ..
    Geralt of Rivia,

    Yes a shallow victory everything will be destroyed and burned and middle of winter not some green fields and mountains and houses with red door as she is imaging

  258. Wimsey,
    Fans didn’t misread Jon’s assassination being a result of the Pink Letter in the books, though. That’s on Martin – he enjoys providing convoluted, counterintuitive motivations in an effort to be… I dunno, perceived as nonobvious, I think? Like, in the books, Robb didn’t marry because he was in love, he married because of honour; Tyrion didn’t kill Tywin because of the heaps of abuse that had been piled on him, culminating with Shae, it was because of Tysha; and the Watch didn’t kill Jon because of the sentiments that have been boiling since his election, it was because of the letter. Rather silly, in my opinion.

  259. Ashara D,

    Found and posted this link last night in the other thread. Glad to see someone else also found and post here too. I’m looking forward to seeing at big screen yes I hope they do this feature. I was wondering, you say they have give away merchandise at the event and you got something last year…I have never been to IMAX event. What did you get, was it a poster? How crazy crowded was it? DO you suggest showing up an early before movie start then?

  262. Geralt of Rivia,

    When you say Baratheon house is basically gone it makes me start to wonder….what would be a shocker to most everyone, make Jon blood relation to Stannis, and now last of his name and the true current heir to throne (“true” depending upon if you believe Kingship can be rightly won by overthrow and usurping) is if he is offspring of lawfully wedded King Robert and Cersei> black haired baby Cersei thought was dead. Gendry would be his bro and together they might be AAR and PTWP. (Though I see nothing special about the lost rower as of yet. However what IS the point of his character? Might be something there.

    *dons crackpot hat when the mood strikes, no apologies:)

  265. Ygritte,

    I heard about this theory.It’s interesting, but when you start digging out clues it falls apart.Jon is a warg, Stark by blood=one of his parents must be Stark.Robert can’t be his father and Stannis blood relative.I said very carefully, because Gendry is rowing somewhere.

  266. Simon,

    Yep. Me too. It would neatly go with the theory that the “three heads of the Dragon” are Jon (Stark), Danny (Targaryen) and Tyrion (Lannister). It would also explain why those three have the highest amount of POV chapters in George’s Opus and would also explain the emphasis that D & D have put on those three over the years, since they presumably know George’s “endgame.”

  267. Alex G,

    I believe they are talking about sight teaser campaign which was terrible and frustrating not the actual trailers..they were awesome especially the second trailer..

  268. George,

    They are most important characters, highest amount of Pov chapters, screen time. That doesn’t mean they need to be three headed dragon.Did they even mention this on the show?

  270. Simon,

    You would have a point if the teasers focused on those three individuals …

    But I get what you are saying ..maybe this season will put all this theories to rest and get a clear cut answer .

    The picture above of the article says my point
    Wolves – the starks will raise again through stark kids and snow
    Lions – lannister kids
    Three headed dragon- dany

  271. George,

    And remember book Tyron’s hair is half white. Obviously this has been avoided in the series because it’s too big a signpost. Just imaging D and T standing together going “snap, who does your hair, we are so going to be besties”.

  272. Me likeee! Nice promos. Just in time to amp up the excitement! It might also be a foreshadowing that while the great houses are destroyed, weakened or locked in conflict, as is the rest of the world, but especially Westeros, the threat in the North is coming forth and starting the unstoppable march south from beyond the Wall…maybe in possession of a certain horn…that will almost ensure passage…

  273. ghost of winterfell,

    The funny thing is I can’t imagine how stannis will feel about the fact that robert had a true heir with cersei..
    Given his response to mel when she said to sacrifice shireen ,he would have kept shireen for later purpose and used jon…
    Imagine that

  275. dragonbringer,

    Well this is very hypothetical, but Stannis would not be able to sacrifice Jon even if he wanted to, as Jon was at the Wall and Stannis somewhere near Winterfell!

  278. The North and Dany’s stories are the ones I’m looking foward the most.

    Ramsey will probaly sent the Pink latter this season.

    It made no sense to do it last season.

    Can’t wait too see Dany with the Dothraki, hope she teaches them a lesson and takes control of them.

    Kings Landing’s story is interesting but I can’t say I’m looking foward to it too much.
    But I absolutly love Jonathan Price as the High Sparrow and can’t wait too see him again.

  279. Martin confirmed that many chapter at the end of Dance happens later in time than that Theon chapter(where Stannis still lives) from Winds. So in Winds we will learn how is Stannis really failed. Ramsay wrote the pink letter.

  280. I’m excited about seeing Dany with the Dothraki again even if there is conflict there because her S1 arc with the Dothraki was probably her best and what keeps me rooting for Dany!

  281. Alex G,
    Deesensfan,

    The trailers themselves weren’t so bad, but the distribution was. There were always several that were sent out simultaneously, but you would only get the link to one – if you were lucky. Then you couln’t play them on all devices (I never could, even though I got links), and you couldn’t download them either. Then they would disable the links after a short time, and if you hadn’t been quick enough, there went your chance to see them at all.

    It was so frustrating I stopped looking out for them. Many felt the same way. And if it hadn’t been for WotW finding some which had been filmed off mobiles, I wouldn’t have seen any of them. And to put the cherry on the cake of messing with us, the PR people later said that frustrating the fans was their goal – in order to fire us up for the season. Yeah, no. That’s like dangling carrots in front of a donkey to make it move. What are we, donkeys?

  283. Tyrion the Myrion,

    The Dragon Demands often shows himself to be very critical of the show – sometimes to the point of being hateful – but this isn’t one of the times. His contribution is valid and not disrespectful. Let’s not attack anyone here simply for who they are.

    Ginevra,

    Yes, exactly. Thank you.

  284. Thronetender,

    Rumor has it that we will

    hear Hodor say things other than “Hodor” this time around.

    🙂

    Grailking: if the Gods of Westeros are fair, then Walder Frey will have to loose his Grand child at a minimum

    Justice would be for Walder Frey to lose what he holds most dear. A grandchild is not going to hurt him all that much. For one, he does not seem to hold his offspring in very high regard. Plus, because he has so many he doesn’t even know them all/isn’t able to tell them all apart. To lose Walda’s child would hurt him a bit because it would mean that his alliance with the Boltons is a little less secure, but I doubt he would cry over it.
    For justice to be served, Walder would have to lose more/something he really cares about, i.e. his power, his entire family (i.e. his legacy) or his own life. If the Freys were decimated so much so that they would be in danger of being exstinct – that would hurt him. If he were turned out of the Twins to live in the streets and be spat upon by beggars, that would hurt him. If he was tortuted to death, that would hurt him. Other than that, I don’t know. Im certain, however, that the death of a child he has never know from a daughter he cares little about will not hurt him the way it should.

  285. dee,

    Where? What? I’ve missed something huge. I’ve always imagined that he would only speak the Old Tongue like his giant ancestors and Wun Wun.

  286. Ginevra,

    Which would still be something other than Hodor. 😉
    No, but there was a spoiler that

    they had cast a young actor who looked a lot like a young Hodor, and some speculation that, in a flashback, we would learn how Hodor actually became Hodor, i.e. how he was brain-damaged. It’s really only a rumor/speculation, though. Maybe he’s always only been able to speak one word, but maybe not. We’ll see.

  287. dee,

    I don’t think it’s just rumor, I might be wrong but iirc, Sue herself confirmed that there will be a

    flashback regarding Hodor’s origins.

  288. hype man baelish: What I don’t understand is why they didn’t include that before Jon gets stabbed. There is no logical reason for them to have withholded it. And Jon’s death would have made a lot more sense than ‘muh xenophobia’ if they did.

    Dealing with the Night’s Watch and the Free Folk’s xenophobia was his whole arc last season! It’s not like it came out of nowhere. Meanwhile, his conflict with Ramsay WOULD have come out of nowhere, it would have been a strange climax for a Jon season that had nothing to do with that. If there’s going to be a Pink Letter (though Sansa in person would serve the same purpose), it will be next season, when the Jon-Ramsay conflict will ACTUALLY be Jon’s arc, climaxing in the Battle of the Bastards.

  289. ghost of winterfell,

    Yes and

    young Ned and young Robert will be with him playing with wooden sword.

    This:

    -A large boy, with an actor who is 10-12 but playing 7 or 8. He’s described as “a clever boy” who seems too large for his age. He’s big and tall but not fat. “Characterful squat features” are a plus for this part. it’s specified that this is a one-time appearance. (young Hodor)

    -12 year old boy, with brown hair and blue eyes. He needs to use a Northern accent. He has scenes where he has to spar with a wooden sword.
    The length of the role isn’t specified. (young Robert, because Mark Addy who plays Robert Baratheon have blue eyes)

    -7 year old boy with dark brown hair, a narrow face and green eyes. He also has a Northern accent. He also spars with the wooden sword, so it’s safe to assume it’s the same scene. This role is similarly open-ended, the description only stating that the character is being ‘introduced.’ (young Ned, because Sebastian Croft who will play young Ned have green eyes, just like Sean Bean as well)

  292. Bob Warren,

    In the book.

    In the show they clearly state he won’t be lord of winterfell until his father dies.
    He say’s it too Sansa: ”One day I will be lord of winterfell and warden of the north…”

  293. Bob Warren,

    That leaked plot isn’t true, they took their spoilers from couple of sites, this one in particulary, and started saying it’s a ”leaked plot”.

    Of course they got some things right, because they got it from here.

    And a Hodor flashback was confirmed a long time ago, when we found out about the stark kids having a flashback. So it won’t be a Hodor only flashback but a larger one, or couple, of flashbacks that will include Hodor in them.

  295. Mihnea,

    I think it was specifically confirmed that we will find out how Hodor became Hodor, that is what exactly happened to him?

  296. About the promos…

    I don’t like if they’re gonna make

    the Pink Letter

    now, regarding the time and how the plots worked. I mean… “Hey, Jon, I’m a Bolton. I betrayed your family several (years? Months?) ago. I was at your house several months. I married your half-sister several (weeks? Months?) ago. But it’s now when you’re upset with me and somehow you sneaked in to my castle and stole my bride? With the so called neutral army?” Why? How? When? With whom? How I know she’s with you and not with one of her allies, more closer and better armed than you?

    About the Lannisters’, I want a special track called Shame, Shame, Shame in the next soundtrack release, please XD

    And about the Targaryen’s, the voice and the phrases were just perfection. That quote about “The millionth of your name. Queen of Nothing”… It’s something it could be apply to the whole Game of Thrones and all the pretenders/rulers of Westeros. Awesome.

  298. ghost of winterfell,

    I’ve actually been pretty excited to find this out.. They have left some many little things off the show that for them to show this must mean there is something important behind it right?

  302. Alex G:
    Shadow Shifter,

    Please enlighten me…I don´t remember what is wrong with last season´s trailers…everybody and their aunt seem to complain about them

    I think it was the way they were delivered. If I remember correctly, you have to sign up to receive “the sight” and a raven brings video teasers directly to your Twitter inbox. It was a clever idea on paper but when it happened it was ‘meh’.

    Plus not long after, the first four episodes were then leaked, so it was anti-climactic.

  304. alins,

    The same reason people who hate the show keep talking about it and watching it even.

    It’s a mix of trolling and hate, combined with a dose of anger, that the show they hate so much is so loved and admired.

  305. ghost of winterfell,

    That’s what I’m hoping for.

    Having Ramsay provide the voiceover for the letter as Jon reads it would be far more menacing and cinematic than having Jon just read the letter aloud to Tormund, Melisandre, or whoever is standing next to him. In my mind, I’m envisioning Jon receiving a Pink Letter-like message from Ramsay a few episodes after his resurrection, while he’s still feeling weak from his ordeal and greatly unsure of himself. As Jon reads it, the contents of said letter are delivered to the audience via Ramsay’s menacing voiceover, perhaps over a montage of him supervising various battle preparations or scenes of torture at Winterfell. This is intercut with shots of Jon’s face as he grows ever more disturbed and angry by Ramsay’s boasts about defeating Stannis and demands that Sansa be returned to him (whether or not Sansa actually makes her way to Castle Black). Finally, Jon’s reserve snaps, and whatever uncertainty had been plaguing him since his resurrection is swept away.

    It would be a bit of a stylistic departure for the show, but not a radical one. Indeed, if it happens, it could wind up being vaguely reminiscent of the scene featuring Baelish’s “Chaos is a ladder” speech – which happens to be one of my favorite scenes in the entire series!

  306. dee,

    Yes, it still would be! Whatever he says, if he does speak something else, it should confirm or deny my pet theory because giants never say anything outside the Old Tongue – and that’s a mite strange considering that they can learn the Old Tongue but never the new, even after all that time with Wildlings. But I guess this sort of idea works in a land of magic.

    Theon Greyjoy had once commented that Hodor did not know much, but no one could doubt that he knew his name. Old Nan had cackled like a hen when Bran told her that, and confessed that Hodor’s real name was Walder. No one knew where “Hodor” had come from, she said, but when he started saying it, they started calling him by it. It was the only word he had. –A Game of Thrones, pp. 234-235.

    In Bran’s chapter, he says Hodor “never says anything but,” but then again, is that never now or never ever? The books do leave it somewhat up in the air, but I get the impression he’s always been this way.

  307. Jared,

    That is exactly how I tought they will do it.

    This teaser only convinces me more we will have a voiceover, like we did with ”Chaos is a ladder”.

    Seriously tough, who think it will just be Jon reading the letter? This would fit perfectly for TV.

  309. Jared,

    Yeah, that would work!

    Shane snow,

    There is the theory that

    Hodr being the Norse God of Winter and darkenss, the word Hodor in ASOIAF could be derived from Hodr in which case the Hodor we know might have something to do with the great Other? Could be a possibility?

  312. Ginevra,

    Woah, stop the bus. did not know that. Kind of interesting that he has the same first name
    like ‘you know who’. Maybe some hidden family ties will be revealed?
    Okay, taking the tinfoil off now…

  313. ghost of winterfell,

    Sue confirmed a Hodor origin story?

    Really? That sounds very silly to me. young Hodor needs to be in the flashback, to establish an instant visual time reference, but an origin story???

  315. SlayerNina,

    It makes sense to me.

    Why would Sansa go anywhere other than to Castle Black? Who else can she trust other than Jon?

    They made a point in Season 5 of Ramsay telling Sansa about Jon being Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, so it makes sense that they’d follow that up with the assumption that that’s where she’s headed.

    Plus, if she makes it to Castle Black she’s effectively out of reach. She can hold up there, perhaps throughout the oncoming winter, and rally the North to her cause. The Boltons can’t just go and besiege the Night’s Watch. With Jon and the Night’s Watch is the only seemingly incorruptible and untouchable place Sansa could end up. They’ve got to do something to prevent that happening. Trying to undermine Jon’s position makes sense.

    In Season 4 Ramsay already admitted that they view Jon Snow as a potential threat, and Locke never returned with news of Rickon and Bran so they must assume that Jon may know their whereabouts too. Sansa, Bran and Rickon, potentially backed by their brother the Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, is not a good prospect for the Boltons.

    By coaxing Jon out of Castle Black, making him break his vows, and hopefully killing him in the process they eliminate the Stark children’s one surefire refuge and base of support.

    Also, we don’t know what will happen in Season 6 that might embolden the Boltons. They may receive the (genuine or not) fealty of other Northern Lords, making them overconfident. Ramsay may kill Roose, meaning that Ramsay’s more arrogant and confrontational leadership gets out of control. Jon may not even have known that Sansa had been married to Ramsay (she didn’t know that he’d become Lord Commander, after all) and the revelation might tip him over the edge. This is even more likely if during Season 6 he is released from his vows, or manages to convince the Night’s Watch to back him in attempts to unify the Seven Kingdoms against the White Walker threat.

    We’ll have to wait and see about the finer details. But the general idea makes perfect sense to me.

  317. Really great teasers setting out where the bulk of the drama is going to be this season. Huge misdirection about where the real threat is coming from too, i.e. further North.

  318. Wimsey,

    Of course there will be an uphill battle for the three main families that is pretty obvious from where it left off in their stories. I am pretty sure the Stark family as a whole will overcome their current bleak situation, and daenerys and possibly Jon will overcome also but as for the lannisters I do believe this season they will get a grip on their situations, tyrion will manage to get some hold on mereen, cersei will cause more havoc with Gregor and Jaime will try to go on with his duties for the throne but the loss of his daughter will change him and make him more careless and volatile similar to his crazy twin which will be the downfall to most of the lannisters maybe not in season 6, but I think tyrion will be the last of his families and he also will overcome eventually.

  319. ladywolfsbane,

    Origin as in how did Hodor become Hodor, whatever incident caused him to become what he did. Did I use the wrong word? English is not my first language

  321. I woke up this morning really hoping for the stark house resurgence to be happening soon. Last night watched season 5 episode 10, the last of my game of thrones rewatch. I really hope sansa does not get captured by Ramsay. And I hope the Bolton’s go down next season. I have no idea how that would happen and by who.
    I need house stark to rise again.

  322. That Targaryen teaser rules! It’s both epic and frightening. Obviously the speaker refers to her as being just another Khaleesi, and as a widow should be at the Dosh Kaleen, ruling over nothing.

  324. Mihnea:
    The North and Dany’s stories are the ones I’m looking foward the most.

    It made no sense to do it last season.

    Can’t wait toosee Dany with the Dothraki, hope she teaches them a lesson and takes control of them.

    Kings Landing’s story is interesting but I can’t say I’m looking foward to it too much.
    But I absolutly love Jonathan Price as the High Sparrow and can’t wait too see him again.

    You know, for the first time in awhile, I’m looking forward to Dany’s story. It does seem like

    she’ll be spending a long time with the Dothraki,

    but maybe this is simply her story going forward.

    Agree about the

    pink letter

    that it seems to be fitting into a S6 arc as opposed to being left as yet another S5 cliffhanger.

  325. Ginevra,

    In that flashback Hodor is called Walder yet. Then something happens to him and he became Hodor, because he can say only this word after the accident.

  328. oier,

    Hate coming across picky but her trip to westeros as she has never been, so we are led to believe, the closest to westeros she has been is dragonstone

  330. Although I haven’t been terribly excited with all the Dothraki news (until that promo, anyway), I am quite pleased that they will be getting more use out of a complex language created solely for the show. That’s pretty awesome.

  332. Mihnea:
    I watched these teasers more then 10 times each….

    This can’t be healty

    Sure it is – you’re appreciating art, linguistics, and atmosphere all without having to leave your house!

  333. Think will get similar teasers for the Greyjoys and Martells? Perhaps even the Tyrells.

    Euron’s

    I am the storm.

    and Doran’s

    Fire and blood

    Would fit nicely. Can’t think anything for the Tyrells..

    EDIT: Perhaps Tarly speaking instead of the Tyrells would work better

  334. ghost of winterfell,

    Is it somehow wrong that I couldn’t care less about Hodor? As a show-watcher he just doesn’t interest me one bit, bless his heart. Especially after the actor said Jon is boring lol. Were he to have more than one line (word) in all of 5 years it might give his opinion more weight. Sorry if I offended the big guy’s fans.

  335. Jared,

    That sounds awesome. Especially love the part about him being vunerable and unsure of himself, what to make of him being resurrected. Pink letter makes total sense and it will introduced. Stannis also made him offer to be Lord of Wintefell, which makes me think Jon might be Lord of Winterfell next season or season after that.

  336. ghost of winterfell,

    Also the lightning strike in the Winterfell video, was that lightning striking the Wall or was it a random location?

    After watching it a few times it does seem to be a random barren Northern location.

    But when I saw the first lightning strike in the distance, drawing back to the Stark banner and Ramsay’s voiceover I did immediately see it as a reference to the potential Jon resurrection in the distance, away from Winterfell at the Wall.

    There’s a second lightning strike later in the video, seemingly closer to the banner. It could symbolize an oncoming threat to the Boltons. But that’s probably reading too much into it.

    I’m sure the first lightning strike was meant to evoke thoughts of Jon’s resurrection though.

  337. Not sure if anyone else has noticed (or mentioned), but is that Casterly Rock I wonder, in the Lannister clip? It doesn’t resemble Kings Landing landscape that we’ve seen from the show…

  340. Mihnea,

    Since they’ve released teasers for the three main houses first, I’d be surprised if they released ones for the other houses. They’d feel a bit like an afterthought after seeing the Stark, Lannister and Targaryen teasers. I think if they were going to do ones for the other houses they’d have mixed them up a bit. But I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  341. Ooo, ooo, ooo! I just remembered George’s commentary on the walk of shame, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-9u6msqJNo, which paired with the High Sparrow’s voice-over in our Lannister trailer brings new light to how our High Sparrow may have deliberately chosen this punishment as a stepping stone to launch an uprising.

    GRRM: There are symbolic aspects to the walk of atonement or the walk of shame. You’re naked. You have nothing to hide. All concealment has been denied you. Your hair has all been shaved off. You’re completely vulnerable. You’re saying, “I have nothing more to hide. I bare all before God.” And that’s the spiritual justification for this kind of thing. But there’s also a very deliberate political aspect of it.

    People didn’t see the kings and queens very often except when they passed by in their incredibly lavish outfits. The splendor of them, the way they glittered, helped them rule because it overawed the populace. When you take all of that away from a queen like Cersei, who up till then has only been seen by her subjects as this incredibly beautiful woman who’s been attended by maids and protected by knights, it’s a way to strip her of all of her power that attends to her majesty.

    Cersei is not beloved in the streets of King’s Landing. This is a woman whom you dare not contradict or she could have your tongue torn out. And now people are calling her filthy names and accusations, and they’re free to do so. It changes the entire public perception of her. And that is obviously part of the intent. Indeed, she goes out there defiant, but she’s broken and damaged by the end of it.

    High Sparrow, in the current trailer: Every one of us is poor. And powerless. And yet together, we can overthrow an empire.

  343. There is one thing for sure.

    The Battle of the Bastards is going to be amazing.

    From reading this thread so many of us can’t wait to see Jon kick the shit out of Ramsay.

    I just wonder if all the living Stark males are going to converge on that battle to help Jon take back Winterfell, along with Jon’s wildling and nightswatch loyalists.

    So my guess would be Bran, with his powers, Rickon with the Umbras along with Jon and the wildlings (with some nightswatch and Davos/Mel) Will all come together to take out Ramsay and regain control of Winterfell/The North.

    Then they can focus on battling the white walkers.

    Jon is gonna kick ass yet again this season.

    He has got Azor Ahai written all over him!

  344. alins: months? WTF do you even watch GOT bro?

    I watched until season 5, like everybody else. It’s quite clear the Boltons were living at the North for some time, sis. It is just how and when Jon will react to that notice… In the show he doesn’t rally to WF since there’s no (still) Pink Letter.

    And it would be a bit illogical if he rallies in season 6 to WF trusting the same people that stabbed him the day before and leaving the wildings on their own at the Wall, not talking about there’s some inmiment attack of the White Walkers. Unless Jon is

    resurrected, win allies, Snowbol and they condensed and fixed all just in time for the arrival of the WW or the falling of the Wall

    . Just sayin’.

    PS: Dragonmcmx, best teaser XD

  345. ygRitte:
    ghost of winterfell,

    Is it somehow wrong that I couldn’t care less about Hodor? As a show-watcher he just doesn’t interest me one bit, bless his heart. Especially after the actor said Jon is boring lol. Were he to have more than one line (word) in all of 5 years it might give his opinion more weight. Sorry if I offended the big guy’s fans.

    The big guy is like the neutral territory. “If [insert favorite character] doesn’t win the throne, I want King Hodor” XD

    However, I wonder what “Hodor” means… It would be funny if it’s the valyrian word for something really meaningful/epic in the saga, like a prophecy XDDD

  346. Ginevra,

    And I’m thinking of this High Sparrow (HS) and Queen of Thorns (QoT) scene, as well. HS’s motives may still be for the people and for the church, but he’s spent a long time conspiring to take down the throne.

    QoT: A man of the people. Is that your game? It’s an old game. Dull and unconvincing. A man of the people who does Cersei’s dirty work for her.

    HS: The people always do the dirty work.

    …

    QoT: What is it you want? Gold? I’ll make you the richest septon who ever lived. [HS chuckles] What, then?

    HS: I imagine this is strange for you. Everyone you meet has a hidden motive and you pride yourself on sniffing it out. But I’m telling you a simple truth. I serve the gods. The gods demand justice.

    …

    QoT: Half the men, women, and children in this foul city break the sacred laws. You live among murderers, thieves, and rapists, and yet you punish Loras for shagging some perfumed ponce and Margaery for defending her brother?

    HS: Yes. The gods’ laws must be applied to all equally.

    QoT: If it’s equality you want, so be it. When House Tyrell stops sending our crops to the capital, everyone here will starve. And I’ll make sure the hungry know who’s to blame.

    HS: (chuckles) Have you ever sowed the field, Lady Olenna? Have you ever reaped the grain? Has anyone in House Tyrell? A lifetime of wealth and power has left you blind in one eye. You are the few, we are the many. And when the many stop fearing the few….

  347. Deesensfan,

    Yes and in turn will end his love for cersei as his capacity for love is gone with his daughter, which will ultimately be her demise, I am guessing.

  350. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man: They made a point in Season 5 of Ramsay telling Sansa about Jon being Lord Commander

    It was setup for the PL.

    She can hold up there, perhaps throughout the oncoming winter

    Filming spoilers indicate she’s at the Battle at Winterfell. Gilly, Sam, & Jon were just assaulted there, white walkers are coming, & Jon leaves for Winterfell. Not a safe place for anyone.

    The Boltons can’t just go and besiege the Night’s Watch.

    Why not?

  351. I actually cannot wait to see the reaction on the faces of Bolton’s men when they see wun wun and hopefully little finger shows up also his reaction would be priceless and ultimately everyone south of the walls reaction to the white walkers will be epic

  352. ygRitte,

    I think (hoping, anyway) that his backstory is going to be pretty interesting and a twist that none of us has guessed yet. What is his origin, what happened to stunt his mind in that way and how will it affect the overall story.

  353. Pigeon: Sure it is – you’re appreciating art, linguistics, and atmosphere all without having to leave your house!

    or using your imagination!

  354. This little clips are awesome, almost as good as the facebook choose your alliance ones from season 2 promo year.

  355. Ginevra,

    And this immediately raises the question given Cersei’s character development to date: is Cersei going to realize or accept any of this? Cersei lives in a Homer Simpsonesque world in which she interprets gasps of “what an idiot!” are gasps of awe, or that looks/comments of derision are looks/comments of envy. And even if she were able to consider alternatives to the basic idea that lords are innately superior to peasants and Lannisters innately superior to other lords (and all the evidence points to the contrary), then it seems that she’s too ignorant of history to be aware of the contrary examples to consider their consequences. All she seems to know is “If Castamere’s start thinking that they are as good as Lannisters, then Castameres all get slaughtered”: and that is her working premise for everything.

    So, yes, public perception of Cersei will have changed (both from the commoners and the nobility): but, then, it never was what Cersei believed it to be. And, yes, people will probably try to tell her this: but she won’t grasp what they are saying if they are subtle, and she might well reject it if they are blunt.

    Still, this does point to a very plausible parallel between Cersei and the other main characters. Cersei, too, might very well be trying to get people who do not want to follow her to rally behind her. However, whereas Jon, Daeny, Tyrion, Arya and Bran (at least!) will know why people do not want to follow/acquiesce/heed him/her (and thus be able to take it into account), Cersei will not. More and more it makes me suspect that Winter will be a story about the costs of getting the unwilling to follow.

    (Caveat: trying to infer the story in advance probably is a fool’s errand: I suspect that there are other stories that would call for the basic things that we’ve either had teased for Season 6, or that the books/seasons have set up as consequences going forward. If anyone has alternative ideas for what the story will be, I’d be interested to read them!)

  356. The promos are very cinematic, perfect for showing in between IMAX episodes. I can just see Tamer Hassan saying “You both suck!” Love seeing the Lannister banner in tatters.

    Probably from Riverrun. Targ banner burning at Meereen and Stark banner marching on Winterfell.

  358. Rygritte:
    The promos are very cinematic, perfect for showing in between IMAX episodes. I can just see Tamer Hassan saying “You both suck!” Love seeing the Lannister banner in tatters.

    I think those banners were for the promos and not footage from Season 6.

  359. RJ,

    Don’t worry. The Dothraki follow one thing alone: Strength. And they are about to meet

    ‘the stallion who will mount the world’

    …!

  360. I like the Lannister one best…it shows that the Sparrows are indeed bent on removing the “Baratheon”-Lannister monarchy from power.

  361. Sean C.,

    Yes; Bolton father and son are bound for confrontation! Remember that awful story Roose told Ramsey about how he was conceived and what he did to Ramsey’s mother?

    Even monsters love their mothers.

  362. Castamere is the name of a castle, not the family who lived in it. The family was the Reynes.

  363. Rygritte,

    Sansa and the Boltons don’t know anything about (or in the case of the White Walkers, also don’t believe in) what you wrote under your second spoiler tag. As far as they’d be concerned, she would be able to hold up at Castle Black indefinitely if necessary.

    As for why the Boltons can’t besiege Castle Black, obviously they could if they really wanted to. There’s nothing stopping them.

    But the Night’s Watch is meant to be beyond the reach of the Lords and laws of the Seven Kingdoms and it exists to protect the whole of the Seven Kingdoms. If word got out that the Boltons were attacking the Night’s Watch it wouldn’t reflect well on them and may provoke a reaction from the other Lords and kingdoms of Westeros.

    Marching mob-handed on Castle black probably wouldn’t be the smartest move, especially with winter on the way. Trying to get Jon to break his vows and/or sabotage his own position is a more cunning move than trying to retrieve Sansa themselves.

  364. Nortman,

    I don’t think that’s possible.

    Ned Stark grew up in the Vale with both Jon Arryn and Robert Baratheon. When he went to the smithy to meet Gendry, he took one look at him, and immediately recognized the face and physique of a young Robert Baratheon. Besides, Jon Arryn is thought to have had blonde/sandy colored hair and not black like Robert and Gendry; that’s also why the paternity of Robin Arryn (who has dark hair) is in question

  365. The Dragon Demands,

    Can Ramsey return from the battlefield without Stannis, either dead or alive? I mean, Stannis is, after all, the commander. And, surely Ramsey’d want proof that he’s killed his opponent – like Stannis’ head on a spike on Winterfell’s wall.

    A group of riders coming through the gate is what prompted Sansa and Theon to jump from the wall. They thought it was Ramsey returning. It likely is not. Maybe it was Roose.

    Aside from Roose being angry at Ramsey’s tactics – he would be extremely angry if Ramsey failed to verify that Stannis is dead.

  368. Jack Bauer 24,

    Let’s hope that the promo will be representative and kind enough to tease us with WWs because we have already seen a bigger picture of them and they are not so abstract anymore. So one can only hope to see something Whitewalkerish in the promo which I don’t think will reveal much, maybe a face in combination with an icy landscape or sth like that. What is intriguing and puzzling at the same time is in what form we will see the White Walkers this time. Will they attack the Wall? If so this cannot happen until ep.10 in the aftermath of Snowball and that raises the question: are we to see more of them before?

  369. “Hodor” is the word dragons respond to. Hodor will tame them with his Hodoring,

    That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  371. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man:

    If word got out that the Boltons were attacking the Night’s Watch it wouldn’t reflect well on them and may provoke a reaction from the other Lords and kingdoms of Westeros.

    I doubt that very much. Maybe some Northern houses, such as the Umbers, would take issue. Others, like the Tyrells or Martells or the houses of the Vale, would maybe not like it but not intervene. The Lannisters and the Freys and our other villains would simply not give a toss at all. They are all so caught up in the war for the Iron Throne and so conviced that the Night’s Watch is a joke and not really necessary that they simply don’t care enough. As you said, no-one believes in a threat from the North, not even the Northmen. Castle Black being under siege is the least of their problems – or so they think.

  372. Wimsey:
    Ginevra,
    And this immediately raises the question given Cersei’s character development to date: is Cersei going to realize or accept any of this?

    …

    More and more it makes me suspect that Winter will be a story about the costs of getting the unwilling to follow.

    Predicting what Cersei will do might be as easy as predicting where lightning will strike. The insane tend toward the unpredictable. But we can probably say that she won’t handle the situation wisely and that she’ll overestimate her power.

    These trailers make me think that a major theme will be the Fall of the House of Stark (before rising again), the Fall of the House of Bolton, the Fall of the House of Lannister, and possibly even a small Fall of the House of Targaryen. The winds of winter will be blowing these houses away, dispersing their loyalties, dividing their people – breaking the wheel, breaking the Wall, breaking the world.

    But I can see a theme of The Unfollowed, as well. Stannis would fit nicely there, too, and his unfollowing is in that book if not that season.

  373. Having read this blog and accompanying comments for over half a year now, I felt it’s finally time to join in!

    Sorry if slightly off topic, but the conversation about the Lightning bolt signifying Jon’s resurrection made me wonder about something.

    I was wondering whether Jon’s resurrection will be an opportunity to tease or outright claim he is Azor Ahai come again by having the signs present when he is resurrected (or reborn). I’m not sure how the stars might bleed, but perhaps if he is somehow ressurected from his funeral pyre, then his sword might be alight? I’m not sure, but it just struck me reading the comments above that this might be an amazing opportunity to add credence to the Jon Snow = Azor Ahai idea.

    Sorry if this has already been discussed before!

    Someone else mentioned they have seen the teasers ten times or more. Not strange at all!! I too have watched them over and over. Too excited for season 6!

  375. I thought you’d be a superfan of the High Sparrow, Anon, given how much you have in common in fighting for the common man and wanting to take all the privileged lords and ladies from their high horses. I’m sure he’d share your opinions on Ned and Tyrion.

  377. Ginevra,

    The High Sparrow is a religious fanatic, and those are a problem. He may inspire a rebellion among the poor; but, it will be an imperfect uprising, I think.

  378. Che,

    Ooo, yes! Very much so.

    The stars have already bled, IMO, with the shooting star that we kept seeing in GoT. But I’m hoping that we’ll see born of salt and smoke. I’m wondering if we’ll see turning stone into dragons. I think we’ve already seen that Longclaw can bring down the Others, and that was the whole point of Lightbringer, so we don’t need the sword to shine or the sacrifice, I think, but it would be nice to have more Valyrian steel swords!

  379. Anon,

    IMO, any uprising of the people during medieval times in uncivilized lands would not be successful for long. Well settled regions like England almost always had some sort of monarchies during medieval times because monarchies were the most stable forms of government for this period. Only the Athenians knew differently, and only because their civilization had surpassed that of the rest of the world. The best possible thing for most lands and most peoples at this time would be a benevolent monarchy, which is why I stand up for the nobles I thought most benevolent. Are they privileged? You betcha. But they are still the best thing for the people.

  381. I love LOVE love these teasers. Just makes me salivate waiting for the season to start. PALEEEEEEEESE bring JS back quickly!!

  382. Anon:

    Book Sansa wasn’t very nice to her bastard brother, Jon.

    I really can’t think of any evidence to supports this claim.

    In AFfC, she thinks fondly of him, wondering how sweet it would be to see him again.

    Also, shame might not be the prevailing emotion in that dire a situation.

  383. Ramsay’s 20th Good Man: If word got out that the Boltons were attacking the Night’s Watch it wouldn’t reflect well on them and may provoke a reaction from the other Lords and kingdoms of Westeros.

    There’s only one person in the other 6 kingdoms who gives a shit about the Wall or the Night’s Watch.

  385. Ginevra,

    One of the reasons I’m looking most forward to

    Sam going to see his family is because the Tarly’s have Heartsbane. Sam knows how important Valyrian steel will be in the fight against the WW’s, and I’m curious to see what he does to ensure Heartsbane gets put into play. My guess is he won’t leave Horn Hill without somehow ensuring it, although I can’t begin to think of how. I don’t see him getting away with just stealing it, nor do I see him convincing his father of how important it is. If his father and brother somehow both die, it’s legitimately Sam’s, but I don’t know if that’s how it will happen, either. Who knows, since Dickon is the heir, maybe, even if Randyll is as dismissive of Sam as he’s always been, and I’m guessing that will be the case, Dickon will believe Sam? As I said, I really don’t know, but am intrigued to see how it plays out.

  386. George:
    Simon,

    Yep. Me too. It would neatly go with the theory that the “three heads of the Dragon” are Jon (Stark), Danny (Targaryen) and Tyrion (Lannister). It would also explain why those three have the highest amount ofPOV chapters in George’s Opus and would also explain the emphasis that D & D have put on those three over the years, since they presumably know George’s “endgame.”

    Except the three highest POVs in George’s Opus are Tyrion, Jon and Arya.

  387. bluedragon:
    Steel_Wind,

    I hate to see the Dothraki remaining as stupid as ever; as sexist as ever. time for evolution, I say

    Really??? Just the Dothraki? REALLY? Seriously? Just the Dothraki are sexist? Stupid? I would say that almost ALL of the male characters in this story are stupid and sexist.. but this was the history of that period.

  389. Anon: And, surely Ramsey’d want proof that he’s killed his opponent – like Stannis’ head on a spike on Winterfell’s wall.

    Bolton soldiers were in the area when Stannis lost his head. Surely they’ll bring back the remains.

    They thought it was Ramsey returning.It likely is not.Maybe it was Roose.

    Ramsay said he was returning. Roose wasn’t going anywhere.

  390. Wylie: I really can’t think of any evidence to supports this claim.

    Also, shame might not be the prevailing emotion in that dire a situation.

    There are a lot of lines from AGOT that suggested Sansa’s snobbery regarding Jon, calling him a bastard, ‘half-brother’ etc. Even when she thinks of him in AFFC she acknowledges that she hadn’t even thought about him in a long time. They certainly hadn’t a close bond.

  391. Rygritte,

    Yes, he did say something like ‘I think we’re finished here, back to Winterfell, my wife must be miss me..’

    If that means he intends to return without personally verifying Stannis’ death, and retrieving the body, it will be a very strange choice. And, it would certainly cause more conflict with Roose. The word of a soldier will not suffice.

  392. Wylie,

    Didn’t book Sansa take every opportunity to remind Jon that he was a bastard? I’m certain she did, unless I was reading the ones printed in China.

  393. hype man baelish,

    Right. And it explains her actions when she first arrives at King’s Landing. She’s angry at both her father and her sister. She takes Joffrey’s side, over her sister’s, in the dust-up outside the inn.

    Sansa Stark was a brat!

  394. dee,

    Perhaps so. But would it be worth the risk to deliberately flick the middle finger towards honour and Westerosi custom for the second time in quick succession, when they’re meant to be trying to consolidate their position?

    And if the Boltons are free to attack the Night’s Watch with impunity then what’s to stop any other House doing so, either to get at a brother of the Night’s Watch or to take control of the Night’s Watch and the Wall themselves?

    If nobody cares at all what happens to the Night’s Watch then what’s to stop the Boltons taking control of the Night’s Watch, the Wall, the Gift and declaring dominion over all the lands north of the Wall, bring the Wildlings to heel and vastly increase their lands and influence in the process?

    So while they could besiege Castle Black, it wouldn’t be the smartest move, especially with winter on the way and a few thousand Wildlings just having been given the run of the Gift.

  398. Anon: Well, she has acquired a very skilled saddle maker, recently.

    Who? I know it isn’t Jorah. He hasn’t ridden in years.

  399. Ginevra,

    Fair enough; however, Deny intends to “break the wheel”. Will she succeed, ultimately? How long will her success last?

    I’m betting that she succeeds. Any pre-revolution revolution will only assist in her goals.

  401. Anon,

    Well, alright then. Agree to disagree. I don’t wanna start yet another Sansa discussion.

    Regarding the upcoming season, nothing suggests that she would not go to Castle Black out of shame, because in the show Jon and Sansa did not interact, so we don’t really know how she feels about him. But hopefully, we are going to see how that encouter will go in a few months time…

  403. Sean C.,

    Agreed. Also with the possibility of Roose being killed by Ramsay, madness is free to take its course. As Ramsay’s 20th Good Man said above, an out-of-control-Ramsay as Warden of the North who marches on Castle Black could very well be a reason for the northern armies to unite against House Bolton.

  404. Wayne Gleeson:
    Confirmed within 20 seconds of reading the article – Roose is a goner.

    I think so too, however I wonder how Ramsey will maintain his power? By offing Roose he will surely get rid of Fat Walda too thus destroying the alliance with the Freys. If Jon was to unite the North and the Free Folk against the Boltons how the hell does Ramsey expect to win?

  407. Wimsey,

    Dang. The haircolor thing slipt my attention… I was thinking of the Vale and possibilities of Arya and Gendry leading it… alas that won’t happen….

  408. Bronn’s Bro.: I think so too, however I wonder how Ramsey will maintain his power? By offing Roose he will surely get rid of Fat Walda too thus destroying the alliance with the Freys. If Jon was to unite the North and the Free Folk against the Boltons how the hell does Ramsey expect to win?

    Ramsay will probaby lose the Battle of the Bastards, and he’s kind of crazy, so there you have a few answers. Still, it’s not like the Boltons are all alone —Reportedly, the Karstarks and the Umbers are also on the Bolton side.

  409. mau: But who said that Jon will unite the North?

    In my opinion, Sansa will do most of the uniting.

    I’ve written an almost 5000 word speculative text on how each and every one of the storylines this season might go, step by step, based on book spoilers, production news, popular theories and my own speculation. If someone is interested, I’ll be happy to share it.

    I should probably turn it into a well produced Youtube video, to make it more palatable. The only problem is my English accent is absolutely horrendous.

  410. I don’t think that Rickon will be with the Umbers in the show at all. I know he and Osha went there at the end of S3, but there is no reason to think that they managed to get to Umbers’t stronghold. I think he will be at Skagos, just like in the books.

  411. Luka Nieto,

    I think Sansa will do that with lord Cerwyn and Manderly, but it is strange that they will appear in one episode only.

    I’m not really sure what to think.

  412. Luka Nieto,

    WOW! Sounds great! I’d love to read it. I still can’t wrap my head about the northern storylines (which I find the most interesting ones at this stage).

    Maybe you could post it in the forum? 🙂

  413. Luka Nieto,

    I share your opinion on the Sansa question then; she might be accompanied in a few of those scenes by Davos ( doing a modified version of his Dance of Dragons book plot but working for Jon instead of Stannis) and hence explains Liam Cunningham’s comments of “Sansa is on a hell of an arc this year”.

    And, yep, I’d like to read your 5,000 words text, please. LOL.

  414. Wylie:
    Luka Nieto,

    WOW! Sounds great! I’d love to read it. I still can’t wrap my head about the northern storylines (which I find the most interesting ones at this stage).

    Maybe you could post it in the forum?

    Good idea.

    George: And, yep, I’d like to read your 5,000 words text, please. LOL.

    Soon coming to the forums.

  415. Anon:
    hype man baelish,

    Right.And it explains her actions when she first arrives at King’s Landing.She’s angry at both her father and her sister.She takes Joffrey’s side, over her sister’s,in the dust-up outside the inn.

    Sansa Stark was a brat!

    Brat? no,naive and privileged, yes .
    As first daughter of the Warden of the North and Lord oh Winterfell, she is taught and she knows that her job in the future is to be a match to benefit her house; as Cat said Sansa was a lady at 2(?).
    She never hated Jon, but she is well aware of his and her status in their world at worst we could say she kept him at arms length, yet they did play together, teach him to dance, spoke to him on how to talk to girls give nice comments etc.
    None of this transfer to hate for Jon in Darry, her anger is for Arya and her father one because if Arya at least stayed aside as Sansa suggested maybe Mycah would still be alive and so may have been Lady, but just as Sansa went to Cersei to say good bye, but taken hostage removing any chance slim as it was of escaping KL, so too was the chance of Mycah and Lady to live because Arya HIT the dicky Prince.
    Another incident that could have prevented Mycah’s death could have been if the Hound actually came with Sansa and Joff as Sansa questioned Joffery for leaving the Hound behind, yet he felt insulted and full of himself, and the stop at the inn where Joffery was if not drunk on wine he was well above his limits; and had to indulge himself in bravado.
    Sansa’s not backing up either Joff or Arya had no affect on Mycah’s life he was dead BEFORE Ned called her, and Lady paid the price.

  416. mau:
    I don’t think that Rickon will be with the Umbers in the show at all. I know he and Osha went there at the end of S3, but there is no reason to think that they managed to get to Umbers’t stronghold.

    I think he will be at Skagos, just like in the books.

    The Last Hearth is closer to where they split with Bran and co., though, if I remember correctly, so I’d think it would be less of a challenge to make it there.

    Luka When you post what you wrote in the forum, please let us know, as I’d be interested in reading it, too.

  417. Nymeria Warrior Queen: Luka When you post what you wrote in the forum, please let us know, as I’d be interested in reading it, too.

    Here you all have it!

    As I say in the thread itself, feel free to tear it apart (especially if I forgot something from casting or filming that we know for a fact), but please be kind.

  418. Luka Nieto,

    I’d certainly be interested in reading it.

    mau,

    Quite apart from the minimal appearance counts for the Northern lords, I have a hard time figuring out how Sansa would be going around doing that anyway, based on what we know about the rest of the cast.

    Theon has other places he has to get going fairly quickly, though in any event Theon probably wouldn’t be much help anyway, in his current state; Brienne and Pod may provide some initial assistance, but they also have to be elsewhere toward the end of the season. Sansa knows jack about wilderness survival, so the idea of her riding around the North by herself strikes me as rather implausible (not to mention, seems a bit of a problem in terms of her having people to interact with).

    Conversely, if she ended up with Baelish somehow (and certainly a lot of the filming spoilers and/or rumours suggest that), why would they even bother doing that? Littlefinger couldn’t have been counting on retrieving Sansa, so whatever men he brought with him should have been intended as sufficient to crush the Boltons (and the Vale’s forces should outnumber the total Northern armies at this point, let alone just those loyal to the Boltons).

  419. Luka Nieto: In my opinion, Sansa will do most of the uniting.

    I’ve written an almost 5000 word speculative text on how each and every one of the storylines this season might go, step by step, based on book spoilers, production news, popular theories and my own speculation. If someone is interested, I’ll be happy to share it.

    I should probably turn it into a well produced Youtube video, to make it more palatable. The only problem is my English accent is absolutely horrendous.

    I always felt her part, get House Stark back, and get the other lords both North and South to unite for what’s to come, she will have to overcome the suspicions of each group and she needs to learn of LF betrayal of her father and nullified ( nicer way of saying it )the creep.
    leave a link, I read it.

  421. Sean C.,

    I can’t see what her reunion with LF at that point would bring to her storyline. If she is with him, she can be only his pawn, nothing else.

    I think she will go in some kind of a diplomatic mission with Davos, after her reunion with Jon, and after they make plans what to do next.

    Interview with Liam Cunningham suggests that IMO.

    And she found out about Jon, Rickon and Bran for a reason in S5.

  422. mau:
    Sean C.,

    I think she will go in some kind of a diplomatic mission with Davos, after her reunion with Jon, and after they make plans what to do next.

    I think she’ll just go full-blown rebel and call the banners by raven. Some Lords will respond and come, others won’t.

  425. Luka Nieto,

    Well, they will have some kind of meeting somewhere. And if I recall, we had reports about some set for a castle being built or something like that, but we newer found out what that was.

    And I think that shooting dates strongly implied that Sansa will be in a scene with Cerwyn and Manderly. Sophie Turner was spotted in Belfast during that time I think.

  426. mau: we had reports about some set for a castle being built or something like that, but we newer found out what that was.

    Wasn’t that a misleading report? Wasn’t it just the Winterfell set? Or do you refer to something else?

    At any rate, I don’t think it matters whether Sansa goes to the Lords or the Lords go to Sansa. I have no strong opinion either way. It’s just plot logistics.

  427. Sean C.,

    And if that turns out to be true, I think that conclusion will be that GRRM hasn’t really figured out yet how to put Sansa in the North in the books.

    I think he has a general idea about her and LF’s endgame in the North and that will be the same on the show, but he doesn’t really know how to do that. Yet.

    Sansaa in S5 took Jeyne Poole’s role, and if my theory is true in S6 she will in some form take a role Davos has.

  428. Well, alright then. Agree to disagree. I don’t wanna start yet another Sansa discussion.

    Regarding the upcoming season, nothing suggests that she would not go to Castle Black out of shame, because in the show Jon and Sansa did not interact, so we don’t really know how she feels about him. But hopefully, we are going to see how that encouter will go in a few months time…

    Wylie,

    I was so looking forward to verbally disemboweling Sansa Stark. Drat, foiled again!

    Re nothing suggesting Sansa might feel shame to find refuge in Jon despite them not interacting onscreen:
    1) She’s been ravaged by her husband
    2) She’s been ravaged by her husband in front of a male ward of her family.
    3) She feels stupid to have had romantic dreams about Joffrey, her torturer
    4) She initially had a haughty air against her siblings and where she came from. That is, when she thought she would be Joffrey’s queen.

    Sansa has come down a great deal in the world; her whole family has. The fall, though, is more extreme in her case, as she had much higher to fall from.

    Don’t you think it unreasonable to demand evidence about Sansa while limiting me in actually talking about Sansa?

  429. mau,

    She was definitely in Belfast on the 16th (she left on the 17th). I believe Harington also was, so the evidence on that point is inconclusive.

  432. Sean C.,

    Why inconclusive? Sophie and Kit were the only actors spotted there during that time. And those lords need a major character(s) to interact with.

  433. mau,

    I mean that as it stands it could have been one, the other, or both. If Kit was in Belfast on the 16th and Sophie was in London or Majorca, we could conclusively determine who was in that scene.

  436. Anon:
    Grailking,

    Who says brattyness and privilege and naivete are mutually exclusive? Much is made of what a “good girl” Sansa was.

    She wasn’t.

    She wasn’t a bad girl either, she was a normal 11-12 year old.
    Arya was just as bratty if not more in some cases, she also isn’t a ‘GOOD GIRL” but she does kill people some justified others very questionable.
    JMO, but thinking of Sansa as bad or evil is not what she is period.
    And trying to tag her as hateful or evil is far off base.

  437. Grailking,

    I don’t think show Sansa gives, as they say, two shits about The Butcher’s Boy. She wanted Arya to stay out of it so her beloved Joffrey could do as he pleased – and to not jeopardize her betrothal.

    Furthermore, you jump back and forth between book and show Sansa, while insisting you must not.

  438. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Heartsbane would be cool, and maybe Sam will be able to rally even more Valyrian steel than that – or even a way to make dragonsteel or dragonglass from his stay in Oldtown. He’s already found Merwyn and Alleras, so I am hoping they make a big splash in Books 6 and 7. Oh, how I hope we get these two next season!

  439. mau,

    If I remember well they have had built or repaired a castle or a castle construction somewhere in N. Ireland whose function never confirmed…

  441. Anon,

    But remember her look when Ramsay told her about Jon becoming Lord Commander. She always emphasized that he was her half brother, but when she was building the snow castle in the Vale she remember how all of the siblings, including Jon, used to play.

    After all that has happened to both of them, he is the closest person she knows.

  442. Ginevra,

    I think, simply by virtue of Stannis telling Sam, and, of course, I’m paraphrasing, “um, yeah, you don’t have to explain what dragonglass is to me, that stuff is all over Dragonstone,” Sam will make sure, it will lead to something. I love the idea Sam will discover some way to manufacture dragonsteel in his time in Oldtown.

    We know there’s magic there, and we know Marwyn has spent some time in the east, where the last known forgers of dragonsteel lived. Perhaps Marwyn discovered the secret of forging it?

  443. Anon:
    Grailking,

    I don’t think show Sansa gives, as they say, two shits about The Butcher’s Boy. She wanted Arya to stay out of it so her beloved Joffrey could do as he pleased – and to not jeopardize her betrothal.

    Furthermore, you jump back and forth between book and show Sansa, while insisting you must not.

    what?
    And Sansa may not think of Micah highly as a product of her surroundings, but she knew better then anyone else there of the need to deescalate, and all that vanished once Arya whacked Joffery, and her wolf attacked the Prince.
    Your trying to put the blame for Micah and Lady on Sansa, it’s not, it’s on Joffery,Arya,Cersei,The Hound and Robert.
    I won’t respond any longer as we are derailing the promo thread.

  444. GhostCR,

    I do remember that, vividly! I do think that look was surprise; surprise that The Bastard had done well for himself while she languished in the burned out carcass of Winterfell – a virtual sex slave.

    Those memories come after she has suffered(King’s Landing). Yes, she might have yearned for Winterfell then, but there was a time when all she wanted was to leave it behind and be Joffrey’s queen.

  445. hype man baelish,

    Yes, they were not the closest when she had her parents and 4 other siblings. But now that, for all she knows, he’s the last surviving person with Stark blood on him… things are different.

  446. Anon,

    She may succeed temporarily, because I think others have said that George promised several rulers before the final one, but I really think she’ll unite with Jon rather than fight against him. IMO, Jon will be the final one to sit the Iron Throne in the series. I’m thinking that there will be an uprising, an anarchy, and chaos in at least King’s Landing but perhaps all of Westeros before we dream of spring.

  447. Luka Nieto,

    I’m interested. I really respect theories and ideas from Hodor’s Bastard, and I think it was he who said that you had quite brilliant insights.

  448. Anon:
    GhostCR,

    I do remember that, vividly!I do think that look was surprise; surprise that The Bastard had done well for himself while she languished in the burned out carcass of Winterfell – a virtual sex slave.

    Those memories come after she has suffered(King’s Landing).Yes, she might have yearned for Winterfell then, but there was a time when all she wanted was to leave it behind and be Joffrey’s queen.

    So her surprise in show looked like anger or hatred to you?
    I think you totally let that go pass your head.
    Surprise yes but not of envy or hatred and couple that with what she got out of Theon Sansa growth is what it’s been since the second book onward, family matters in book it’s all in her head telling us so, in show just watch Sophie and her body language, eyes, facial expressions, she not on a vengeful mission ala LSH or Arya but her revenge will be by way of politics and guile ala QOT, just a Northen Stark version.

  450. Grailking,

    You keep calling him Mycah. To Sansa, that boy doesn’t even have one name, let alone two. He is know to her only by his father’s profession.

  451. Thronetender,
    Evening TT, welcome to TeamDieRamsayYou****ingScumbag! I think we’ll have to play it by ear: much as I hate him, there are a few people he could usefully kill to save me the bother, but if the story doesn’t pan out the way we are hoping we’ll need to be on standby to intervene. Probably have to syncronise (night’s) watches too as if it’s the same as S5 the first airing of each episode will be 2am monday my time.

    Luka, nice work on the summary! The only person that immediately struck me as missing who is probably due to appear in S6 is Loras (sorry if you did and I missed it, there was quite a bit of Tyrells but mainly Marge)? I have a soft spot for him so he’s very probably doomed 😉 I really need to start backing the obviously bad guys as they seem to do really well and I wouldn’t find myself going “Noooooooooo!” in despair so often when bad things happen to characters I like 🙁

  453. Lulus Mum: Luka, nice work on the summary! The only person that immediately struck me as missing who is probably due to appear in S6 is Loras (sorry if you did and I missed it, there was quite a bit of Tyrells but mainly Marge)? I have a soft spot for him so he’s very probably doomed

    Yup. I need to write him in. There’s only one mention of him… because I haven’t figured out what his role may be this season. I expect it will be something, and bigger than it has been in the last few seasons, but… I don’t know what. At first I hadn’t even mentioned Trystane either, but then I just winged it a bit and you can see the result in the text. Maybe I’ll do the same with Loras but… I’ll take suggestions! Because I have NO idea.

  455. Luka Nieto,
    Trystane is a total mystery to me too. I would be no more surprised if he died in the first 10 secs of episode 1, either murdered in revenege for Myrcella or kills himself from grief, than if he survived right to the end. Although I gather he’s a bit of an amalgamation of characters which makes it far more difficult to predict? Mmmm what happens to Loras? *casts mind back to filming news*. Editing and deleting seem a bit flaky at the moment, so just in case spoiler tags fail FILMING SPOILERS AHEAD LOOK AWAY NOW DEESENSFAN

    I seem to remember there’s a suggestion that Loras suffers quite badly while imprisoned and might even be our first male rape victim, although I don’t think anything was ever confirmed? I’m sure he appears but whether he even gets out of prison is totally up in the air. Don’t remember any mention of him from the scene at the sept with Jaime, Mace, Tommen and Marge?

  458. Lulus Mum,

    I remember watching an interview with Finn and Kristian from LFCC 2015, and Finn

    said that there would be a “dramatic change”. Very ominous.

  459. Anon:
    Re nothing suggesting Sansa might feel shame to find refuge in Jon despite them not interacting onscreen:

    Sorry, English is not my first language. I must have misunderstood you then. I thought you meant that she would feel ashamed of her (assumed!) prior misbehaviour towards Jon, and that would be a reason for her not to go to Castle Black. That’s what I was argueing against.

  460. Lulus Mum:

    I’m sure he appears but whether he even gets out of prison is totally up in the air.
    He definitely gets out. Why else would he shave his head? He probably fake converted to a sparrow, too.

    Bronn’s Bro.: If Jon was to unite the North and the Free Folk against the Boltons how the hell does Ramsey expect to win?

    By hiding inside the castle like his daddy told him.

    Why else would Wun Wun dropkick the gates, unless it’s one of Bran’s wet visions of the future?

  462. Rygritte,
    Mmm yeah I thought about

    the haircut too. Not sure it was ever confirmed he did any filming after that (could possibly have been for another role)? Maybe he has it cut while in prison as a punishment/conversion? Come to think of it I don’t think we know anything about what happens to Tommen and Marge after that scene with Mace and his awesome feathery hat and Jaime. I seem to remember it’s ep 6? so they potentially have 4 whole episodes and part of a fifth (if the sept scene is early in its episode) which we haven’t really heard anything about. In fact, do we know much about anything in KL in the later episodes, haven’t we mainly heard about other places for ep 7 onwards?

    Wylie,

    being dead is a rather dramatic change 🙁 Mind you, so is being the first Westerosi to successfully go into space so I’ll hope for that for him instead! 😉

  463. Deesensfan,
    This starts off sounding like it’s going to be a spoiler, but it isn’t, honestly! We’ve heard loads about what’s coming up, some really detailed and others tantalisingly vague. If you’ve managed to hold off on spoilers so far just carry on, not long now. There’s lots waiting for you and it all sounds really promising for a cracking S6 😀

  466. mau,

    Based on what we know of TWOW, Sansa’s not likely to be anywhere near this storyline, so I think it has less to do with a lack of information than their admitted desire to combine plotlines.

  468. Well this was a nice thing to come home to… these are fucking great!!! Now I almost feel bad for talking a little shit about the Dothraki. This has got me stoked.

  469. I’m on the Live blog for the producers guiled awards, I’ll tell you guys if Game of Thrones wins lol

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  477. Rygritte:

    He definitely gets out. Why else would he shave his head? He probably fake converted to a sparrow, too.

    I think that’s likely. It looks, though, as if

    they get him to the point where he is in the books in this show-only storyline. In the books, he is injured, probably permanently broken in mind and body, in the battle of Dragonstone. Here, he may, as has been said, have been tortured and maybe raped so severely that he is only a shadow of himself afterwards. I don’t want it to happen because Loras is the only somewhat positive LGBT character we have on the show, but I think from a book-show-convergence perspective it makes sense.

  478. Ginevra,

    When I did a re-watch of Hardhome last year I tried my best to find some clue during Jon’s WW fight that would give way to “smoke and salt” because hey, maybe AA doesn’t have to necessarily be physically re-born, just metaphorically. Well, there is the smoke of the hut burning and the salt in the sea but that last one is too abstract. I did really try to figure out though if the moment Jon’s sword shattered the WW was when AA was “reborn.”

  480. mau:
    Sean C.,

    I think she will go in some kind of a diplomatic mission with Davos, after her reunion with Jon, and after they make plans what to do next.

    Interview with Liam Cunningham suggests that IMO.

    And she found out about Jon, Rickon and Bran for a reason in S5.

    I agree about LF, but can’t agree about Jon. Sansa should be with Northern lords and try to unite the whole North to fight Boltons.Liam probably read the whole script and made his opinion on her arc or Davos will leave the wall early in the season.Ramsay mentioned Jon to her,but this will be in my opinion one of the reason where Ramsay would expect her to go.Ramsay would hardly know about his death either.He considered Jon a threat in S04.I expect Stark meeting but around ep. 8 or 9.What makes you think Rickon, Osha and Shaggydog are at Skagos and not with Umbers when in the show they specifically mentioned Last Heart.

  481. ygRitte
    That was probably a spoiler.

    Anyway, I’ve had this theory about how the resurrection is going to take place for a long time, and it has to do with Castle Black.

    When Bran was in a coma, he

    had a vision of Jon lying in a cold room, his life bleeding from him. It has been interpreted as Jon dying at Castle Black, or as Jon loosing his livelyness in the cold halls of the castle. I think it may be more literal. I think after Jon is stabbed, there is going to be a discussion about what to do with him. The NW kept bodies frozen in the cellar before – where they kept the food supply – to keep them from deteriorating. I think they may do the same with Jon’s body. And here comes the tinfoil: what if the smoke and salt are actually those of food preservation – the smoke and salt of smoked meat and salted food?

    It sounds so very banal, but I think that is exactly why it has merit. Everyone is expecting something grand – like tears and a pyre, or the salt of the crashing ocean and the smoke of an inactive volcano or whatever. Same with the bleeding star – everyone thinks its a comet, but what if it really is Ser Patrek (whose sigil is a star) being killed by WunWun?

    I think the simplicity and close-to-homeness (instead of grandure and fairytale quality of the other theories) makes it actually more likely. Subverting expectations, you know?

  483. I just read Luka Nieto’s well-written synopsis of the way HE thinks the season is going to play out. It’s in the forum section, or look upthread for Luka’s remark where he left a connection to it. I left a remark on some of it in the forum remarks section, then realized that I hadn’t commented on too many of the main plot lines he handled.

    Luka, I like what you did with all the story lines. They make sense, especially Sansa’s. For those of us who wanted her to come into her own power and position, you have certainly laid the ground work. And I loved what you thought about Arya’s arc.

    especially her warging with the cats and then Nymeria, and her handling Walder Frey at his own wedding. It would certainly serve that horny old coot right to be undone at his own wedding. Finally.

    I would imagine the whole thing Luka has written could be considered spoilery even if it is just speculation, so don’t go over there if you are nervous about spoilers, but if you are not, then it’s worth a look. A good read.

  484. Thronetender: I would imagine the whole thing Luka has written could be considered spoilery even if it is just speculation, so don’t go over there if you are nervous about spoilers, but if you are not, then it’s worth a look. A good read.

    There are certainly book spoilers and things we know will happen because of casting and filming reports. And at least a few of the purely speculative parts are bound to be right.

    Thanks for your comments 🙂

  485. Sean C.,

    Well then i’m glad they are combining the plotlines because i would rather see Jon and Sansa reunite rather than some boring Vale politics plotline . Look i like the politics aspect both in the books and show but we’re getting near the end game,it’s time to cut the crap and get to the real stuff that matters .

  486. If Sansa takes over both some aspects of LSH (as Luka Nieto suggests and sounds tempting to accept as a plausible scenario) and the North Remembers campaign then I think that this will harm somehow her relationship with Jon. It will not be easy between the two. But to what extent it remains to be seen. There is this report where Jon, LF, Sansa and Ramsay meet altogether before Wun Wun storming in. On another note it will be interesting to see if there will be any interaction between Sansa and Melisandre. We already know that Arya hates Mel. Davos also hates Mel and maybe he will influence Sansa towards this direction. If Mel sticks to Jon fanatically this will be a reason enough create an undercurrent tension between Sansa and Jon. At least this possibility will raise the intensity of the North Remembers process and Jon as TPTWP…

  487. ygRitte:
    Ginevra,
    I did really try to figure out though if the moment Jon’s sword shattered the WW was when AA was “reborn.”

    Certainly the other Others thought there was something quite significant and ominous for them in that scene.

  488. dee,

    Jon, smoked and salted in the food stores – that sounds… delicious! Hannibal would agree. Will curing Jon culinarily cure him physically and be the impetus that raises him from the dead? Could we start calling him Hickory Smoked Jon? Seriously, I do love the idea, love it. But the situation would potentially be hilarious.

  489. dothrakian raven,

    Tension between Jon and Sansa is an interesting possibility. I commented on it in the forum, just gonna reiterate shortly my thoughts here.

    I could see Sansa struggle with the idea of a White Walker apocalypse and LF encourage her in doubting Jon’s tales. It would fit her character development. I mean imagine the irony of Sansa having had to brutally learn that fairy tales have nothing to do with reality, only to find out about an imminent White Walker apocalypse.

    So as supposed regent for Rickon, she’d have two people in her ears. Jon who wants to defend the realm against the WW (and who is part of her family) and LF whose plans I don’t know, but who’d probably argue against the pipe dreams of a bastard and deserter.

    (Still, after seeing Wun Wun for the first time, Sansa could totally do a 180 and be back to being a true believer of Old Nan’s stories 🙂 )

  490. dee,

    All well and good and simple …

    What difference it makes from the position they were at Hardhome..
    Jon waked from dead alright but what they have gained that they didn’t already have during hardhome .

    If say WW marches to the wall and say wall doesn’t stop the WW and wights then the result will still be similar to what happened at hard home…. A total ambush and hopeless defeat

    So simple that George actually makes one of the major plot point on the books on a character and sigil he created because he lost a bet on a game ..that’s not even going into the color of the star .

  491. Ginevra,

    Well, the prophecy did say

    “amidst smoke and salt”, i.e. he does not have to come in contact with it, just have it around him, which, in the food stores, would be the case.

    But I like your idea better. Yummy.

    dragonbringer,

    I’m not quite sure I understand your comment. Are you saying that my theory doesn’t make sense? Or that it does make sense? And how does Hardhome play into a theory on how Jon might or might not be resurrected as Azor Ahai?

  492. Why are some people putting their opinion or speculation in a spoiler tag now? What are the rules for what’s considered spoiler-ish? Furthermore the books have been out since the 90’s right? And If anyone reading here has not already read the books then they have watched the show, of course. Someone say it probably a spoiler: How is speculating how a moment at Hardhome could tie into something mentioned in the books, that any unsullied has surely already heard of, be a spoiler?

  493. dee,

    Your theory as been around a while and no I don’t support this one..
    Born amidst salt and smoke – if it is as simple as salt and smoke in a kitchen then anyone can be born amidst that ..like renly said even an Ham will be AAr

    When the red star bleeds AAR shall wake the dragons from stone or pull the lightbringer feom fire – ser patrek sigil was blue star not red ..and the only reason GRRm created this character and blue star because he lost a bet to his friend…there is no set patrek on the show ..thank god for that .
    Even say he is red star that bleeds..if jon is AAr then he must wake dragons out of stone not wake as one…and Mel becomes AAr not jon
    He has to pull the lightbringer from fire under the bleeding star not die under it ..

    hardhome matters because yhats where we get to see the threat of
    WW …the whole point of hardhome is that NW or humans cant stand against the WW if they strike with full force …what we saw there was massacre and the way episode ends says it all that there is nno hope .
    Now if Jon wakes as AAr how does it change their chances against WW. Do they gain anything that can have an affect on them …what difference jon at hard home and jon after resurrected will have that will be major help against WW …he will have the same sword he had at hardhome. And that surprise is now out of the bag…
    So if he wakes as AAr he must give hope right and I can’t see what hope he is going to give because he himself is hoping that dragons will come be helpful .

    Its not about grand or simple ..its about the clues presented in the books and show ..so when the clues are put together it must fit properly with what we know and not feel contrived so its convenient for one character while ignoring the other character.

    But we just have to wait till the episode airs so that we can put these theories behind once and for all .

  494. dee,

    [ spoiler ] Well, in the book, SMOKE pours out of Jon’s wounds when he’s stabbed, someone is crying (SALT tears), and Jon blood splashes onto someone’s clothing (which has STARS in it.) So, bleeding star, salt in the tears, and smoke from Jon’s wounds. As for awakening dragons from stone, well, if in the book Shireen’s burning (greyscale=stone) is tied to Jon’s resurrection, then the “stone” would awaken the “secret dragon” (Jon)

    In the show it’ll be much simpler, Melissandre will resurrect Jon and simply say, yep, you’re “the One that was Promised”. The Unsullied audience will be informed that he’s a “Prince” once they see from the Tower of Joy flashbacks that he’s Prince Rheagar’s son.

    Of course, Danny meets the conditions too? Born in Dragonstone (salt and smoke), and literally awakening Dragons from stone eggs while the bleeding red comet was in the sky.

    Logically one would think the both Dany and Jon, together, are “the Prince that was Promised”? [ / spoiler]

  495. dee, Loras being raped while imprisoned doesn’t make sense to me given what we’ve seen of the High Sparrow and the cells, but when the Sparrows barged into Littlefinger’s brothel, they did have a couple of patrons in awkward positions. They’re pretty violent for a shaming cult.

  496. mau:
    Sean C.,

    I can’t see what her reunion with LF at that point would bring to her storyline. If she is with him, she can be only his pawn, nothing else.

    This is how I see Sansa’s story, though it’s purely my own speculation.

    I think it’s possible that Sansa’s story destiny is, and has always been, to be a pawn in other people’s games. I believe this will continue to be the case with Littlefinger. Though she might do things next season with the appearance of having her own autonomy (rallying the Northern lords or something?) it will really still be Littlefinger truly pulling the strings in the background. I believe Sansa is going to become more powerful in the remaining seasons, but that it won’t be her own power – it will still be Baelish’s. Then, somewhere around the 11th hour, she will discover what he truly is (the hand the essentially ruined her family), and though she will owe everything she is to him, she will kill him. The question is whether at that point Sansa will have betrayed her inherent Starkness to the point of no return, and killing him will just be minor comfort (but I like to think there is a return… just not until the end).

    Oh… and I don’t think Sansa discovering that Rickon and Bran are alive is necessarily going to be a good thing at this stage of the story. Think of how dangerous that information could be in Littlefinger’s hands.

  497. Lulus Mum,

    You’re right! I hear “suck” as well! Imo the most impressive teaser. Maybe because Dothraki sounds so menacing?
    And Ramsay has no idea what future has in store for him! Neither have I, but I’m sure it will be horrible! And rewarding!

  498. dee:

    SPOILERS AHEAD:

    Well, being stored with salted meats, wouldn’t they have to remove his body and bring it where there’s smoke (or will he open his eyes in the food locker right by the smoked, yet frozen, ham? 🙂 otherwise the salt is absent from the equation at that point. I’m just thinking that if he was already re-born as AA in spirit at Hardhome when wielding LB (if Longclaw has become such) then there will be no need for smoke and salt at his physical resurrection so theoretically he could come back to life while still laying in that snow. The red star bleeding I feel has something to do with Mel somehow but some people say comet and and maybe we either we get a flashback of something that occurred at HH that we didn’t witness at the time, like one streaking across sky, or that part of the prophecy is still future (Mel performing a symbolic ritual in which she pricks her finger or some shit.

  499. dragonbringer,

    This is interesting too. Only it seems that Sansa will not meet LF until the last two episoded and the Wun Wun scene will take place in the last one. So LF will not have the time to influence her. I wonder after all that has happened to her to what extent will she let LF influence her as opposed to Jon. If something like this happens we will probably see it in S7 and the only way to make it somehow interesting is if instead of Jon it is Mel who counters LF and Sansa exploits their mutual animosity. What is interesting in a scenario like this is that if there is a feud between Mel and LF then Davos (should he survive the SB, which I am very sure he will) as long as he keeps hating Mel despite her resurrecting Jon will probably play on LF’s side. But all this is so far, far away. At the moment I take for granted that Jon and Sansa will meet soon at CB and work together for the North Remembers. If the Mel-Davos conflict permeates their relationship it will be exciting to see to what extent and to what consequences for the two siblings.

  500. George,

    What one forgets when talking about dany waking dragons out of stone is that dany herself woke as a Last dragon from the stone and then wakes the dragons or bring dragons out of fire under the bleeding star..

    And there are numerous quotes about how dany was reborn as dragon is given in books ..

    ” somewhere in the dothraki sea her dragons hatched,and so does she ”
    Tyrion ,ADwD.

    “The little girl who was afraid when staying in my manor was reborn in the dothraki sea and the girl who wears the name of mother of dragons is a true targaryen ”
    Illyrio,ADwD
    Iam paraphrasing this one ..

    But my point is dany woke both metaphorical and literal dragons ..

  501. YgritTe,

    As Sue mentioned early in the post comments, all bookand filming spoilers must be covered
    Evevn if they are speculation based on things seen, they still give things away
    And even ifthe books have been out since wheneverr, if someone has not read them – they don’t know everything that has happened in the books not yet shown on the show
    If I am not mistaken, some book stuff has yet to be included in the show

  502. Deesensfan,

    I have sympathy for Walda. Born with such a father, who married her to Roose of all people. And her bridegroom chose her because she was overweight, so he expected an equally heavy dowary. More than that, fat jokes is the least she can expect from her stepson. (When Ramsay found out that she was pregnant, he asked his father: “How did you find it?”) What’s the cruelest… I can’t even imagine, Ramsay has a sick imagination.

  503. Shy Lady Dragon,

    How are you Shy Lady 🙂 Yeah the menacing tone of the dothraki-an there, his words have me actually looking forward to Dany’s story line. So mysterious because we just don’t know yet who he is or how he operates, the new Khal. I have a feeling those of us who were bored with them might find some new interest with a colorful new character or two there this season.

  505. Deesensfan,

    OK thanks for clearing that up 🙂 My apologies for not paying attention. It seems like we’ve talked so freely here for awhile. Now, I just need to figure out where the spoiler button went….

  506. Rygritte,

    Yes, HS would never willingly allow something like that to happen, and there don’t seem to be a lot of opportunities for that sort of thing. What if the violence came at the hands of the Sparrows themselves? They were pretty awful to Cersei, especially in the books. Historically speaking, haven’t religious extremists been known to castrate homosexuals as a cure? Maybe we’re headed down a different but equally horrific path.

  508. YgritTe,

    No worries:)
    The spoiler coding rules are just at the top of the comments

    Yeah there’s some posts where spoilers can be discussed freely, depends what the post is on
    This one is for all watchers:)

  510. Geralt of Rivia: Ramsay would hardly know about his death either.

    Can you imagine Alliser sending out a raven saying Jon was assassinated for treason & he is the new Lord Commander only to turn around and send another raven saying Jon survived the assassination attempt and should be executed on sight in the heart of Stark country?

  512. Rygritte: Can you imagine Alliser sending out a raven saying Jon was assassinated for treason & he is the new Lord Commander only to turn around and send another raven saying Jon survived the assassination attempt and should be executed on sight in the heart of Stark country?

    What would killing a dead man do? What is dead may never die…

  513. You guys, something just came to mind when I looked at the Targaryen flag sigil. Remember back in the third season when Jon, Mance and a few other wildlings came upon an arrangement of the dead horses in the snow and it made a swirl kind of pattern? Something was said at the time I think by Mance about the Others having a sense of humor. Or what was it? I guess I could try find the clip on-line. Anyways, the design of that dragon symbol reminds me of the pattern with the horse heads. Could it mean anything?

  514. Rygritte,

    Well this is quite an riddle. There are 3 options in my mind. It is possible that Alisser directly after Jon’s murder will want to spread the news with ravens. If he does so then imagine the confusion it will be caused if after Jon’s resurrection and subsequent punishment of the traitors another bunch of ravens inform the Realm that Jon is again the LC at CB. If this is the case then we have to expect a resurrection around episode 3 or maybe in the beginning of 4. Jon after all this could write another message explaining that he was injured by the traitors and was healed by Mel and so skip the resurrection thing. The other option is that Alisser and his team will wait until the funeral or an official new and rather quick election before sending the ravens. This can entail that a resurrection will take place around episode 2 or beginning of 3 and that it will be linked to the planned or actual funeral. The traitors team cannot delay the funeral because the issue of LC is very important for the security of the Realm. The third option is a resurrection in episode 1 (plausibly the last scene) which means that the traitors will not have the time to inform the Realm of what have happened. Jon will be quick after his resurrection to restore the order and if any raven will be sent it will be only to inform the Realm about the mutiny and its quick suffocation.

  517. Wylie,

    About evidence of Sansa’s early feelings about Jon: In Septa Mordane’s sewing circle with Jeyne, Myrcella, Arya, Beth Cassell and others, Sansa “sighed as she stitched. ‘Poor Jon,’ she said. ‘He gets jealous because he’s a bastard.'” Arya I, GOT.

  518. YgritTe,

    I think the rule is that book spoilers are not ok, since some people are holding out until the end of the series before reading the books so that they won’t be spoilt by them. So if something happens in the books that may yet happen in the show, I’d rather err on the side of caution. Just like that prophecy/vision of Brans.

    dragonbringer:

    Born amidst salt and smoke – if it is as simple as salt and smoke in a kitchen then anyone can be born amidst that ..like renly said even an Ham will be AAr

    –> Yes, exactly. That makes it ambiguous.

    When the red star bleeds AAR shall wake the dragons from stone or pull the lightbringer feom fire

    –> No, when the red star bleeds, he shall be reborn (in order to do those other things later).

    – ser patrek sigil was blue star not red ..

    –> yet he bled, i.e. was red

    Even say he is red star that bleeds..if jon is AAr then he must wake dragons out of stone not wake as one…

    –> who says he won’t ?

    He has to pull the lightbringer from fire under the bleeding star not die under it ..

    –> Where does it say that? Mel says that AA is reborn when the red star bleeds, (in order) to wake dragons out of stone. Nowhere does it say that he has to do either the waking or the pulling or even the being reburn directly under the bleeding star.

    hardhome matters …what difference jon at hard home and jon after resurrected will have

    –> we’ll have to disagree here: I think Hardhome matters in showing that there is a WW thread, and that Jon knows about it. I don’t think it serves to show that Jon is now no longer going to develop because he was at height of his abilities in Hardhome. If anything, Hardhome will serve to make him more determined and maybe trigger in him what he is meant to become.

    Its not about grand or simple ..its about the clues presented in the books and show ..so when the clues are put together it must fit properly with what we know and not feel contrived so its convenient for one character while ignoringthe other character.

    –> First, I don’t ignore any character. Jon is simply a good candidated in my opinion, as is Dany. Second, just because it feels contrived to you doesn’t mean it does to everyone. Third, no-one except George knows what it is about. Maybe it is about grand and simple. Maybe George is putting all these grand clues in so that the readers will be fooled, and then he’ll say: gotcha! This situation fits my prophecy as well, just not as obviously as these other clues you fell for. We’ll have to wait and see.

  519. Rygritte: She won’t even kiss him.

    Yuck, Creepyfinger is so intrusive. It would be terribly hard to watch, even more so after all she’s been through.

    BUT, if she decides to play him somehow, she might allow him to kiss her again, just to give him a sense of false security. It would probably take a lot of willpower not to slap him across his slimy face.

  520. Warning possible spoiler:

    (The do it yourself code isn’t working for me.)

    When Ramsay says “Come and see” I get a sinking feeling that there is something gruesome he wants to show off or has in store. Remember the spoil about somebody kinda big but we don’t know who in the very first episode? Or was that not true? If Winterfell is his, I wonder did Roose go on a mission and leave him in charge? We did see the shot of Ramsay apparently leading the banner men on horseback. Surely if he offed his old man the Bolton army wouldn’t take kindly to it right? Unless he made it look like an accident. Oh well, if the case I will miss the coldblooded yet interesting SOB.

  521. Wylie, This is one of the moments I’m looking forward to in S6. I expect him to go in & get the hand, but she may put her courtesy armor back on & endure. Other moments I’m looking forward to:

    Stark reunion
    Jaime’s reaction to the Walk of Shame.
    Ramsay raging over losing his playthings & Roose laying into him. You had one job!
    Drogon coming to the rescue again.
    War of the 5 Kings play.
    Arya warging & returning to Westeros.
    Boltons Betrayed. Muthafuckin’ Manderly. The look on Ramsay’s face when Jon rains wildlings down on his head.
    The look on Alliser’s face when Jon says, Not today & when an avalanche of wights rain down on his face.
    Jaime & Brienne reunion.

  522. The best part about these teasers??? I didnt watch them.

    Championship games party at my place. Watcha got back at ‘ome to play your fuzzy warbles on? You. Are. Invited.

  523. YgritTe,

    Did he say something about them like – “always the artists…”?

    There was also the swirling of the Dothraki around Daeny when they captured her at season end.

  525. dee,

    When we first see Mel speak about prophecy ..
    ” in ancient books of asshai it is written that there will come a day after long summer when the stars bleed ans cold breath of darkness falls heavy on the world .in this dread hour a warrior shall draw from a fire a burning sword. ”
    AcoKAcoK

    And again in ASoS
    “When the red star bleeds and darkness gathers ,AZor ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt to wake dragons out of stone .the bleedimg star has come and gone and dragonstone is place of the salt and smoke ..stannis baratheon is Azor ahai reborn ” .

    ” he stands before you ” melisandre declared ,” through you do not have the eyes to see .Stannis Baratheon is Azor Ahai come again,the warrior of fire .in him the prophecies are fulfilled .the red comet blazed across the sky to herald his coming and he bears the lightbringer “.

    Again in ADWD

    ” I have seen it in the flames ,read of it in ancient prophecy. When the red star bleeds and darkness gathers,Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst salt and smoke to wale dragons out of stone.Dragon stone is place of smoke and Salt” .
    Jon had heard all this before .” stannis baratheom was Lord of Dragonstone ,but he was not born there ,he was born at Storm’s end ,like his brothers .”

    So you do see where I come from when I say pull the flaming sword from fire ..

    Thw keyword in those quotes are dragons and red star ..

    So it suddenly becomes blue star that bleeds..is he going to appeae in next season..

    So when it says AAr to wake dragons out of stone ….i should take it as AAR will wake as dragon …or should i be expecting dragons to be born from jon

    No one is saying jon will not develop …it doesn’t matter how much determined and resolved jon becomes once he is back …the threat is still there and they have no way of winning WW because nothing really changed from hardhome …only jon dies and comes back from the dead ..

    First – that was not directed at you alone…just look at this thread its enough to make my point ….the approach is AAr should be jon so what should be the salt and smoke…maybe its a fog ,maybe its a sea ,maybe its a literal salt amd smoke in the kitchen ,maybe a salt and smoke as in tears.,maybe salt and smoke is his own body ….where do you go with red star…maybe its ser patrek ,maybe its mel ,maybe we will know something happened at the HH at the sky or at the TOJ…

    This approach is wrong because people already make a conclusion then try to write the answer with various scenarios which can match that conclusion.. The approach should be write and answer and see where the result is concluded..
    Third – if only the same thing can be said about RLJ …I agree no one knows other than GRRm but how he writes is he sets up things with pretty clues and foreshadowings throughout the story which will connect in the end ..

    Just replace the name stannis baratheon with daenerys targaryen in all of Mel quotes i quoted ….and you will see how a red herring actually works .

    GRRm uses jon to say how stannis cant be one because he wasnt born there ..we know who was born there who coincidently is called as Slayer of the Lie ( stannis as AAR)..

    It doesn’t matter I turn out right or wrong …maybe iam fooled easily …I can’t wait the show does the scene so I can put this behind ..

  526. Sullied by Knight,

    You’re correct, he said Always the artists. And I just went and check out clip of Dothraki circling in field. So this pattern mean something. Some kind of tie-in or taunting between the red god and the great Other.

  529. YgritTe,

    Sullied by Knight,

    Yes he does say ” always the artists ” .

    The spiral imagery is used couple of times

    The first time we see this is way back in episode 1,of season 1 when the WW kill the village in opening scene

    And then we have drogo’s pyre in season 1,episode 10 which is also spiral..

    Amd in season 3 where mance and jon witness this….season 3 ends with dany surrounded by the freed people and unsullies ans dragons ..this too a spiral.

  530. dragonbringer,

    Spoiler warning: Stuff from books:

    Here’s how I’m swaying right now. Dany is promised prince(ss.) AA reborn figuratively already in midst of burning dragonglass and salty ground when the man grab onto special sword able to disintegrate one of the great Other’s leuitenants. He goes back home, gets physically murdered and then revived by red god’s bleeding star where then when he grab same special sword in hand now it glows red as transform into lightbringer from the touch of Lord of light’s own. Waking dragons from stone happens at Winterfell when the WW approach is near. There will need to be supernatural help involved to defeat them. Normally I would think this 3 fully grown dragons could do it all by themselves but 1. that would be too simple and easy for Dany/dragon to sweep in and save day by herself and 2. since there is mention of stone dragons (not even sure means literal) I see them coming into play at this point.

  531. dragonbringer,

    The single spiral is one of the most common symbols of the Celtic culture…This symbol stood for the radiation of ethereal energy. There are however many different meanings of the single spiral. Some of the most prominent ones are, birth, growth and death, or expansion of the consciousness, its perseverance and knowledge.”

  532. dragonbringer,

    I did read the books, and I did check the quotes concerning the prophecy, I just happen to interpret them differently than you, or rather, see several possibilities, one of which is that it’s all meant in the most un-grand way possible.

    It’s not that I don’t think there will be the flaming sword or the waking dragons from stone – I know about all those things and I don’t deny them. I just don’t think it will have to be the way you imagine it, and that, if you read closely, there are several ways it could happen.

  534. Wimsey,

    You’re starting to convince me on the imagination thing…

    I want to know if you believe the witch, Mirri, that Deny’s baby was stillborn. Even in this fantasy world, human women don’t grow dragons in their wombs. I don’t think there is any evidence, let alone credible evidence of such a thing ever happening. Deny, unfortunately, was primed to accept that improbable story from an untrustworthy source, what with all the talk of her being “Mother of Dragons”. And, we have good reason to believe “blood magic” is a crock.

    Do you think they could have spirited this infant away somewhere?

  535. dee,

    I sometimes think that Jon’s sword will become lightbringer. Maybe he will do another mercy killing, possible someone burning on one of Ramsey’s stakes during the Bastard Bowl, and when he pulls the sword back out of the flame…just a passing thought!

  536. Bending Knee,

    Stannis is more like one very dead king right now . Also you do know that one of the Baratheon claims to the throne is being related to said family of incest abomination right ?

  538. Anon,

    Yes, that’s what I believe:

    the hair color, the physique: small, short, and sickly (runtish like LF, not a hearty warrior-type like Jon Arryn). Also some intriguing similarities in temperament: both hate porridge, have a clinging attachment to Sansa, enjoy playing with dolls (LF plays with people), rage when their toys are taken away from them (except LF is more sophisticated and subtle about it)…Also, I think it’s unlikely that Lysa Arryn would’ve become that emotionally attached to a child of Jon Arryn (she despised being married to him). However, it’s obvious she nurtures an unhealthy lifelong obsession with the withholding LF, so it makes sense that she would treasure the ‘fruit of their union,’ as a way of hanging onto a piece of him. The desire (almost erotic) to extend the breastfeeding beyond a reasonable age is also indicative of her fixation. Moreover, I find it suspicious that Jon Arryn had been unable to have children with his previous wife, and also not with Lysa until Robyn’s birth. Accounting for her many miscarriages, it’s possible that Lysa aborted any possible babies with her husband (she knew the recipe for ‘tansy’-based ‘moontea’ by heart), yet preferentially spared Robyn. As he was investigating the paternity of Cersei’s children, Jon Arryn may also have come to have his suspicions about Robyn’s paternity; hence, his dying comment, ‘the seed is strong’– another potential reason why he had to be silenced (lest he ruin all LF’s plans). Additionally, the actors cast as Robyn and LF (Lino Facioli and Aidan Gillen) in the show resemble each other, perhaps not unintentionally (compare the resemblance between Alfie Allen and Pilou Asbaek, recently cast as Theon’s uncle)

  539. dragonbringer‘s quotes have reminded me that there are stone dragons at dragonstone, of course. I wonder if Jon Snow will wake these literal stone statue dragons in the same way that the crowned prince’s bastard Fitz (Assassin’s Apprentice) woke dragons turned to stone statues, by smearing them with life’s blood. Someone has to go back to Dragonstone anyway to get the dragonglass, right, and this passage is rather ominous.

    Heat rose shimmering through the chill air; behind, the gargoyles and stone dragons on the castle walls seemed blurred, as if Davos were seeing them through a veil of tears. Or as if the beasts were trembling, stirring …

    –A Clash of Kings, p. 111.

    The emphasis on the last line was also in the original text as italics.

  540. The description of these stone dragons stirring very much reminds me of the stone Kings of the North down in the Winterfell crypts and their lifelike eyes always following everyone around. I’m fairly certain these kings will wake and fight at some point. Perhaps Jon’s recurring dream is where he wakes them, but the dream makes it seem like he’ll find something else in the crypts, too.

  542. Ginevra,

    I made a post a while back concerning

    Joramun blowing the Horn of Winter and “waking giants from the earth,” and said I thought that could be referring to the Kings of Winter down in the crypts of Winterfell.

  543. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Ah, kings = giants? They might be giants (TMBG). I thought that referred to Wun Wun and the like, but the earth part definitely fits. And there would have to be something to call them from sleep.

  544. YgritTe,

    Both AAr and TPTWP are same person ..it will come clear when the show using “the one who was promised” as dany which seems to be the show version of tptwp and AAr..

    Tell me how is jon killing WW any different from what Sam did in season 3 with dragonglass..
    Both had luck amd didnt know whay they were doing when they were killing WW ..they were surprised the same as WW.
    Out of the two only one is from books…jon still yet to kill a WW ….if thats some prophecy related it woyld have been shown in the books or kept the same way as in the books..
    I just have to ask this …why what difference longclaw glowing red will bring that it hadn’t had before …it still killed WW when it was not glowing…
    You are talking about one getting help from Lord of light….iam talking about the one whose actions ( hatching dragons ) made the powers of Lord of light grow ..
    There needs to be help but its not going to be out of the blue ..what martin does is let the hero go and their actions make into them as heroes… I don’t see anything simple here .
    There will be lots of twists here with them …martin has said time and time again dany’s dragons will be huge in size for the final battle ..
    Well we only have to wait till this season to see what you predict happens or not. .we can wait and see

    And of course that’s what happening here to WW and with dany rebirth growth and some knowledge long lost ..all of those scenes of dany is connected to prophecy and impodtant pnase of her journey .

  546. Ginevra,

    I wish I could remember which article’s comment section I first made the post. It was right after a reread, and it’s when I came up with the idea, so I had it all worked out in my mind. Now, I just remember the overall idea.

    I was going with a non-literal meaning for “giants,” and the Kings of Winter were certainly giants among men. It also had to do with how they were described whenever they were mentioned, and how they showed up in certain dreams. As I said, though, all I can remember is my basic idea, and not the specifics.:(

  548. Ginevra,

    We also have Maester cresson thinking

    “The maester did not believe in omens ….old as he was ,cresson had never seen a comet half so bright ,nor yet that color that terrible color ,the color of blood and flame and sunsets ..he wondered if his gargoyles had ever seen its like ..they had been here so much longer than he had and would still be here long after he was gone ..if stone tongues could speak.

    Such folly .Talking gargoyles and prophecies in the sky ..iam old man ,grown giddy and as a child again..”

    The place was built that way to be ominous..nothing more I believe …the one who will take the dragon stone who was born there can make all those dragons glass mined as well..

    There is a reason Sam knows about dany right …what did he say ” she sounds like a quite a women’. He will come to her with this news I believe ..
    There is lot of emphasis made on dany’s dragons and their growth by both in universe and in interviews by GRRm..

    I don’t see how the kings of winter can be considered as stone dragons ..

    The statues can wake from both winterfell and dragonstone but then again i believe it will be like what happened with Harry potter and deathly hallows ..with all those statues coming alive at the hogwarts ..

  549. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Yes, I think that most if not all prophecies are nonliteral, but I also think George may mix in some literal just to keep us guessing. We should be prepared for either. I agree your theory is quite valid, but the other things that come with what you’ve suggested….

    The fall of the Wall and the beginning of the Long Night, rumored to go hand-in-hand with blowing the horn, as well,

    I’m not sure I want all that to come tumbling down, yet that’s probably inevitable in the tale we’re reading.

  550. dragonbringer,

    There’s no denying that much evidence abounds for Dany to be AA. I certainly won’t deny that. Dany could very well be AA. There’s no denying that much evidence abounded for Stannis to be AA, either, right up until his head rolled away from his body.

    My personal intuition says that AA will be someone who wasn’t interpreted as AA in the first few books because George isn’t usually that obvious. And there are a lot of people who agree. But you are correct that, at this point, we do not have as much evidence directly supporting Jon as AA. The best evidence I can offer that Jon is AA is 1) the snow Mel sees whenever asking to see AA and 2) the fact that that no character in the books has yet named Jon as AA, which is oblique evidence, at best, and yet that’s the evidence I subscribe to.

  551. Ginevra,

    Iam curious what evidence was there for stannis …the very moment his story started we have been show how he was fake and can’t be the one starting from davos ,salador saan and right through to aemon and sam..

    You mean as obvious as RLJ right ..

    So its alright to be named as AAR in season 6 and in sixth book but not alright to be named as AAr in 5 th season and in the 5th book.
    How does it work actually i wonder it cuts both ways you know…jon knows about the prophecy where dany as yet to know about it….there is a chance jon willbe called as AAr to his face even before dany ..
    So what happens then ..you start to believe that .

  552. Something popped up in a Dutch newsarticle about these teasers that I didn’t quite understand (or believe to be truthful), but they believed that whichever teaser gets hashtagged the most will turn out to be the perspective for the trailer. As in, if #Lannister wins, than the eventual official first trailer will be based on the Lannister (Cers, Jaime, Tyrion)-perspective..

    I hadn’t seen any such suggestion here and that newssite is kinda iffy on their claims, so I don’t know.. xD

  553. Ser Oromis Locke,

    I think that would be terrible…i hope they dont go that way ..

    They can do trailers and teasers like this which focus on one house or a particular arc..
    But official trailers must be for everyone and focus on everyone and every arc there is..
    Besides who are they kidding do anyone believe anyone can be out vote or overthrow the starks as leading popular house .

  555. Ginevra,

    While I agree it’s probably inevitable the Wall will come down, I don’t want it to, either.

    I believe the horn found at the fist, the one Sam now has, is the Horn of Winter. It was found with a huge stash of dragonglass, known to be effective against WW’s. Why would something that would bring down the Wall, and thus unleash the WW’s on the rest of Westeros, be found with something to fight them? I could be completely off my rocker, but I don’t believe that horn will bring down the Wall.

  556. Anon:
    Summer Child,

    Could Robin be

    ?

    </blockq

    Anon:
    Summer Child,

    Could Robin be

    ?

    I tend to think so too, but I don’t believe LF knows or thinks it, would he really kill his son, when he can rule the Eyrie through him and if he marries him to Sansa he have a in to WF also.

  557. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I’ve read all of the books once, I swear I have. When I get the Amazon Echo for my birthday, Alexa is going to reread all of the books to me, and perhaps then I will better remember.

    So does that make three horns? The faux one Mance presented, the one Sam found, and the one Euron presented? The one Mance presented is not magical, right? But the one Euron found seems magical enough. Do you think it is the bad one, bringing down the Wall and bringing on the Long Night if done properly? But then Sam’s is magical but for good purposes?

  558. YgritTe,

    Glad to talk to you, wild one! I haven’t been at home during the weekend and when I came back I found lots and lots of posts to read and think about. That’s good. It’s Monday now and I have too much work to do, which is not good, but I kinda find my way back to “my” site 😉
    I liked the Dothraki arc back in book/ season 1. No matter how scary Drogo looked like, he proved to be embodiment of the noble savage and really cherished Daenerys. I also like Dany’s bloodriders and handmaids and Jorah the Andal. It was together with all of them that the girl abused by her brother and used as merchandise became the Khaleesi. I think (and the teaser proved as well) that this time it will be different: many handsome, but rude men, treating her as a slave. But I have confidence in the Mother of Dragons.

  559. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    Thank you for letting me know, Queen Nym! I was so excited by the prospect of reading Luka Nieto‘s speculations that I asked him to post right away and only then I saw that he had already post it. For several times. *blushing*

  561. Azor ahai this or that.At the end of the day many heroes will be born and fight in the great war,maybe even fullfill prophecy in some way and rise to the events happening around them.It is not going to be one prophetic saviour, hero saving the day alone or doing all by himself.People just hang onto this prophecy far too much.

  562. Geralt of Rivia,

    Its not about a single hero coming and saving the day ..I am well aware of what martin intends to do …he wants his characters to become hero by what they do and their actions and conflicts they have while doing that ..

    But author gives us a mystery and leaves many foreshadowings and clues throughout his books and sets up a red herring and asks us to look for who is the right one …he makes his characters speak about and search and look out for who he/she will be…
    So people like to detuct this clues and foreshadowings …

    Say its like another theory we have RLJ…you can ask what effect will it have against war of dawn because its not about single hero coming and saving the day ..but people still like to talk about it and deduce clues and points towards it ..

    It doesn’t matter how many characters fulfill them or only one does fulfill but when you present how the character fulfills it must not feel contrived ..iam totally OK if jon fulfills wake stone dragons and everything …but he is still have to do all those things not just in theory ..and people are so determined that he is AAr they go and make connections to anything that as salt and smoke and star and stone connection near to him .. So they are bound to make him fut in any way they can .
    Never onve stop to think maybe he is not ….Even if he fulfills .then it should mean that there are two characters who fulfill the prophecy ..

    But what response you get is another one is a red herring and only jon is true …how can anyone just like that say another main character who as clues and foreshadowings in all the books as red herring is beyond me especially when there was another red herring

    Another argument is its too obvious…which is never a good argument to begin with
    There was this one gem of a theory back while in westeros.org that AAr is good if it is jon ..if it is dany then AAr is bad..

    We have another argument that it can’t be anyone named in the fifth season or fifth book…but what happens when one was named in sixth book and sixth season straight to his face while the other character doesnt know about it ..how does people take that as the answer and reject the other
    Iam not saying everyone is like this but mostly many are

  563. Yaga,

    I like the way you say. Act 1 is the WAR of Five Kings and Act 2 is the settling out and aftermath establishing powerblock for final act vs Walkers. nice.

  566. Geralt of Rivia,

    But how are you so sure it won’t be? A hero, or lone “savior” hardly ever does save the day solely by himself but that doesn’t negate the fact that he or she is rightly given said title because they stand out in some way. Whether it be organizing the battle plan and leading the charge or literally being empowered by something supernatural. Maybe many people become invested in identifying a solitary or hero pair because it’s more relatable? I don’t know.

  567. Shy Lady Dragon,

    Hope you were away somewhere fun for the weekend! I’m off work this week but it’s one of those vacations where I have to catch up on necessities like dentist, doctor, painting, bring car to dealership etc. At the weekend we’re doing a murder mystery dinner. Those can be quite fun depending on the group you’re sat with 🙂 Oh, I was reading where Kit is going to be in a play Called Dr. Faustus something or other at the West end in April! The plot sounds strange imo but oh how I would love to find a way to go. Wish London wasn’t quite sooo far. My husband wouldn’t be cool with it. He’s too cheap not to give me grief over the price of airfare “just to see a play” …for one thing 🙂

  568. Regarding to the voice in the Targaryen video:

    First I’m gonna talk about an actor who’s been cast to play a dothraki in the upcoming season 6. According to Andrei Claude’s Spotlight page he’s playing Khal Rhalko in the next season.

    Andrei’s been asked on his IG page if the voice from the Targaryen teaser is his, and he said “it might be”. So, it confirms 2 things: It’s not Khal Jaqho mocking Dany in the teaser and also why Drogon will probably burn Andrei’s character, as reporter by WoTW a few months ago, when Andrei filmed a scene where he had to deal with fire. Well, after mocking the mother of dragons and her titles like he did in that teaser, couldn’t expect any less from Dany/Drogon, right?

  571. Ginevra,

    Had to check out for myself after your comment. There sure are some rather, um, racy images attached to that name. Went to actor’s IMDB page. Gotta say, nice choice 🙂

  572. YgritTe,

    Agree. I’ve had no complaints about the casting! 🙂

    Andre is listed on the casting compendium that Anguissette1979 has put together.

  573. Ginevra:
    dragonbringer,
    The best evidence I can offer that Jon is AA is 1) the snow Mel sees whenever asking to see AA and 2) the fact that that no character in the books has yet named Jon as AA, which is oblique evidence, at best, and yet that’s the evidence I subscribe to.

    “I pray for a glimpse of Azor Ahai, and R’hllor shows me only Snow.” (ADwD, Melisandre I)

    She actually sees “Snow”, capitalized. It’s not simply snow, as in frozen water, but Snow, the name. She sees Jon.

    Whether that means he is AA or it means he has something to do with AA, I can’t say for sure. Maybe it’s a red herring. Maybe AA is a group of people, and Jon is just one of them. Who knows.

  576. Ginevra:
    Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    I’ve read all of the books once, I swear I have.When I get the Amazon Echo for my birthday, Alexa is going to reread all of the books to me, and perhaps then I will better remember.

    So does that make three horns? The faux one Mance presented, the one Sam found, and the one Euron presented? The one Mance presented is not magical, right? But the one Euron found seems magical enough. Do you think it is the bad one, bringing down the Wall and bringing on the Long Night if done properly? But then Sam’s is magical but for good purposes?

    Hahaha…even after a reread there are more things I’ve forgotten, or have confused, than I remember or feel like I have straight. I almost always have to double-check this or that.

    The 3 horns you mention are the only ones I can recall. Yes, there was the big fancy one Mance had, and that was destroyed. Then there’s the one Euron brought back from his travels, and I certainly think that one has some big power. That one is big and fancy, too. Then there’s the humble looking little horn Sam has. One of the reasons I think that one is so important is because we’ve seen it on the show. I don’t think they’d have included it if there was nothing to it. I’m just not sure the whole bringing down the wall thing is anything other than myth or rumor. If there is a horn that could bring down the wall, who made it? Wouldn’t it have to be the WW’s, or someone in league with them? In terms of the Kings of Winter, they are mentioned so many times in the books, I just can’t imagine them spending the whole story just sittin’ there being stone…hahaha. So, I put some things together, but my 2+2 may well not equal 4, if you know what I mean. I’m not married to any particular idea or theory…ok, expect R+L=J. If that one somehow turns out not to be true, that will throw me for a real loop.

    Shy Lady Dragon,

    You’re welcome. I felt a bit badly I didn’t link it for you, but I was running in and out, yesterday. I hope you enjoyed what he wrote as much as I.

  577. Tyrion the Myrion
    Calm down.It is just a comment.We dont all know the history and rules of Westeros.It was a one line comment,mostly for fun,for Christ’s Sake.I am also very sad about the entire #insta_got the show is becoming and Stannis story in the last two episodes.Our favourite character was entirely buthered,dont overreact that much.

  578. Tyrion the Myrion,

    Tyrion the Myrion
    Calm down.It is just a comment.We dont all know the history and rules of Westeros.It was a one line comment,mostly for fun,for Christ’s Sake.I am also very sad about the entire #insta_got the show is becoming and Stannis story in the last two episodes.Our favourite character was entirely buthered,dont overreact that much.

  579. YgritTe:
    Ginevra,

    Had to check out for myself after your comment. There sure are some rather, um, racy images attached to that name. Went to actor’s IMDB page. Gotta say, nice choice

    Awww poor boy doesn’t seem to be able to afford many clothes in some of those photos. Lucky he’s not joining the Night’s Watch, he’d freeze to death in about 3 minutes 😉

  581. YgritTe,

    I didn’t leave the town, I just spent the weekend at my boyfriend’s. It was fun, but nothing unsual. I take my tablet with me and, if he brings work home over the weekend, I read and post on WOTW. Last weekend he wasn’t busy, so I spent time only with him, not also with my fellow fans 🙂
    Unfortunately London is very far for me as well and also because of financial reasons. Seven Hells, it must be nice to be able to go to another country to see a play! I’d have liked to go to London with you and enjoy a play 😉

  582. Nymeria Warrior Queen,

    That’s all right, the link had been post for many times, you didn’t have to post it again. I loved Luka Nieto‘s speculations so much, that I was ready to make a marriage proposal 🙂 Seriously now, it was an impressive work and I sincerely advised Luka to start writing fiction.
    I like what you said about the only horn present in the show, which happens to be the humble looking one in the books. Well, if we are to learn something from fairy-tales, this horn is the really important one.

  583. Shy Lady Dragon,

    Did that in October – go to London to see a play, I mean. I spent some more days there afterwards because I felt that if I already was there I should take advantage of it and see some other stuff as well. But basically I mainly went to see a play.
    You guys are in Europe, though, right? Don’t they have these super cheap flights in your countries? They are not the best flights, but if you really wanted to go and see a play in London, you might actually be able to afford it and not be totally broke afterwards.

  584. dee,

    Yes, I am in Europe and you are right, indeed! I must really study the cheap variants. Even if it means saving money for this, it would totally worth it! Thanks for remindind me that things are not impossible per se 🙂
    On the other hand, YgritTe is American, so for her it would be more expensive, I guess.

  585. Tyrion the Myrion,

    I am saying that in a hardcore conversation about GOT,responding to a random ”stannis is the mannis”comment is too much(like he is going to read it).Unnecessary.Btw it is GOT.You have to support somoene.It is not that i forced myself to like Stannis.Actually i tried to don’t.
    And yes,for us Stannis fans it is fak you D$D. You may dont care if they changed his arc so much,like i wouldnt for a character i that doenst mean anything for me,like Jamie for example.

  586. Shy Lady Dragon,

    Ah, darn. Sorry YgritTe. Have you considered trying to win the lottery? 😉
    As for finding cheap flights, I know that can be a bit of a hassle – sometimes you have to sleep over at the airport or take a bus for two hours to get there. Still, I think it’s worth it. I try to do it whenever I can, and this way I’ve gone to London several times, as well as to Spain (Cadiz and Barcelona) and Italy (Rome). It’s not the most comfortable way, and I used to stay in hostels, which are not the most comfortable either, but I didn’t mind.

  587. Summer Child,

    Wow.

    You’ve thoroughly convinced me, the way you’ve laid it out like that.

    Well, show Littlefinger did say he was going to “f*ck” them, not fight them. I guess that makes him a f*cker, not a fighter, and in the grip of serious sociopathic tendencies.

  589. Stannis fan,

    I”m a Stannis fan, and I love that the show gave him more depth. For me, I can cheer for Stannis the person in the books, and I can appreciate the complexity of Stannis the character in the show.

  590. dee,

    Not much faith in the lottery but yes I’ve tried a few times 🙂 Anyways, the problem isn’t that we are broke, it is more so that my husband would be ticked off if I chose to spend the money going all that way just to sit at a play for a couple of hours. I tried to do it several years ago when James Mcavoy was doing Three days of rain. He said had no interest in going to London so I said no problem I’ll go by myself it’ll be a little adventure. Besides I’ve always wanted to do a walking tour there as well. It’s where some of my ancestors are from. Well he and my mother freaked out and influenced me not to. Suffice it to say my family is not an adventurous or spontaneous one by any means.

  591. Shy Lady Dragon,

    That would actually be really cool, and I’d be more inclined to travel there by myself if I knew there’d be someone to meet up, and navigate the city with. I’m not afraid to travel to another Western country alone, even though I’ve never done it, it just wouldn’t be as fun as having someone to share the experience with.

  592. dee,

    Where did you stay Dee? When I was set to go years ago I was reading about the affordable hostels and if I remember right they are like dorm rooms where you sleep in bunks with strangers plus there’s only a public washroom? I couldn’t do that, the thought freaks me out lol.

  593. YgritTe,

    This must be very well planned but, as much as I think about it, it seems more and more possible. Of course, if one travels from a long distance, the trip should be more than a few hours, but 2-3 days at least, to be able to visit. If such a trip becomes reality, I have means to find out about cheap accomodation in London – a friend’s son has been working there for several years and I’m sure he could find something cheap, but OK (just a small room with its own even smaller bathroom).
    On the other hand, public washrooms are not always bad. I had never chosen to use one before going camping with my boyfriend at Lake Balaton, in Hungary. He found a camping place (he owns a two person tent) and I decided to try. The camping place was really nice, with pubs, shops and restaurants, like a small town by the lake. The washrooms (with toilet cabins, rows of sinks and shower cabins) were really big, available and clean day and night – some women were hired to clean them any time some person used them.

  595. Stannis fan,

    No you don’t have too ”support” someone, this is a book/TV show, it’s not football.

    You can like a character, I like Tyriom, Jon, Dany and many more…
    You can have opinions on them. I think Stannis would have been a horrible king and I would prefer Dany to end up rulling.

    Hell you can read a story/watch a movie and don’t particulary like any characters, but enjoy the storrytelling and many other things.

    But when the story doesn’t end up going the way you wanted, hell It happened too me, at least in the books, you go and start insulting the author/producers then you went too far.
    If you start insulting people over a fictional character in a fictional universe then you went way too far. You can disagree, I disagree on some thing asswell, more in the books, but I never insulted them.

    Going on a rage filled rant, because a fictional character didn’t do what you wanted him to do, is simply stupid.

    You made me break my rule/promise of not talking with Stannis ”fans”. Won’t happen again so don’t bother replying.
    But this need too ”cheer”, ”root” for a character is something I find to be at the source of most of the problems of this fandom, don’t get me wrong tough, it isn’t only this fandom who has this problem, no way near.

    You made me remember a comment I saw somewhere on Stannis’s ”fans” ( I use ” so I don’t offend the normal fans), they are like football fans, they pick a ”team” and root for it, but they are incapabile to accept when their ”team” losses so they look for someone to blame: the coach, the referee,..etc.

  596. YgritTe,

    Because GRRM, but obviously never say never. This one of the very popular troupes being used. You really expect deus ex machina, someone who is going to do it by himself or herself. Organizing everything andother things? If we apply that to our situation. Jon, Daeny and Tyrion all of them have certain talent that can be put to use. George even admitted that prophecies are tricky and shouldn’t be taken that seriously. In my mind and considering his work. This is likely going to be case of several people putting together their minds and work together.

  597. YgritTe,

    That defeats the purpose here. If we have someone that stands in a way. We have two or three of them Daeny and Jon for all the different reasons. Daeny bringing magical weapons, being prophesied hero, dothraki. Jon being more of a Classical hero. Tyrion bring his know how with tactics. I’m not rulling out all three of them being three headed dragon. I’m not mentioning unsung heroes. Even if this or that person if prophecied hero, that doesn’t change tha fact that there will be other heroes too and that stand out in their specific way.

  598. Mihnea,

    It’s not that he died.He will die on the books too i guess,and i could guess he would die on both from the very first momment i saw him.It is that he burned his daughter so we would be shocked in a typical Season X ep 9,and that they are giving his arc to #Jon_Snow (whom i genneraly like).The whole ep9 shocking is getting borring and predictable.I am saying what i see.
    I didnt insult anyone.I rephrased ‘fak D$D’,it is not that they are going to read it and .I dont see any problem with having a problem with their writing and expressing it.I didnt go to the comic con and throw tomatoes,or that i am not goind to sleep because of Stannis.Fak Stannis too.I am on a got site,with got comments,and i expressed my opinion on got.
    Ok,let’s express it with no ‘insults’.I am afraid i am dissapointed with David’s Benioff and D.B.Weiss to have Stannis burn his daughter because i think it was an effect to try to top Red Wedding,and to have Brienne just walking next to a finished Stannis,just like she did find Sandor and Arya in the middle of nowhere.In my opinion,they can do better.Since this wasnt on the source matterial,i would like something else to happen,even with Stannis dead.I would also like them to remember the episodes they themselves wrote,and not saying that Stannis was burning people from the first episode he was introduced,because he was burning wooden statues.They wrote that.
    I think it is unprofessional to have bias on characters and they should treat them all the same.

    Having ‘rules’about Stannis fans,isnt overraction,and a ‘fak’ is?
    Btw if you thing that a ‘fak of D$D is a rage filled rant,you are right about having rules about Stannis fans.You dont want to know other rants…

  600. YgritTe,

    Poor you! Travelling is about the best thing you can do with your money, imo. You may loose possessions, such as a car or a house, due to accidents or natural desasters, but you’ll only ever lose good memories when you’re dead or by far too sick to remember anything. I own neither a car nor a house/appartment nor any money to speak of, but I have the most beautiful memories of the many many places I’ve been and the people I met there. I’ve lived in the States and spent a several weeks in China, I went all over Europe (Ireland, Spain, Greece, Poland, just to name a few places), to Egypt and to Turkey and to Canada, and I plan to make it to South America and Australia eventually. I do believe that I wouldn’t be the person I am today if it were not for those experiences. They have matured me and they have opened my eyes to other ways of thinking and judging things and enjoying life in ways that simply reading about them never could. And I wouldn’t change a thing about that.

  601. Tyrion the Myrion,

    No idea why I broke my rule of not responding too this kind of people.

    It was him saying ”you need too support someone” that got to me, I think.
    I just hate this kind of things. It turns entertainment like books/movies into something stupid. Like two football teams fans insulting one another.

    Reading his reply tough it’s clear that he didn’t got my point, not that I ever tought he will.

    P.S.: Doesn’t matter if asomeone can see or not ”fuck you” is still an insult, that has no place on this site. Others may allow it, but this is definetly not the place for that.

  602. YgritTe,

    Yep, that’s the kind of hostel I went to, especially when I was younger. I toured the US a while ago (I was in my mid 20s then) – on my own and with very little money – so I stayed in these kinds of hostels. They were usually simple and sometimes old, but always clean and friendly, and I met very many nice people there with whom I could go out and do stuff/visit places. Now I’m probably too old for it, and too used to comfortable hotel rooms, but back then a bed, good company and the excitement of travelling was all I really needed.

    If you need affordable hotels where you have your own room, your best option are either the cheaper hotel chains (like Ibis, they have “budget” hotels where you can get a room for one or two people for about 50 EUR per night, if you book early or off-season) or bed-and-breakfast typle places.

  603. dee,

    Oh I totally agree with you on this.

    I have been around too, I love travelling. I live for it 🙂
    Ive been to Many many cities in the US, Caribbean, In Europe ive been to Bulgaria, Spain, Portugal, also been to Brasil two times, Lebanon, Oman, the Emirates…
    And I have a verrrrrrrrrrrry long list still going 🙂

    And I stay in hostels when I travel. They are cleaner than hotels!!!!!!!! Honestly, you can get some really cheap accommodation with hostels.

  604. You are right.I shouldnt have commented on the first place and i wont comment again.
    I am sorry about my rant,lets stop here.

  605. Anon,

    Good catch, had forgotten that quote! And you’re spot-on with your assessment; GRRM depicts many psychopaths, but LF is the master. I don’t believe he has ‘a shred of decency,’ although not all his actions necessarily have harmful consequences, and may even appear superficially co-operative. e.g. he ‘rescued’ Sansa from almost-certain death at the hands of the Lannisters for Joffrey’s murder, but he did it for his own selfish reasons– to secure possession of the pawn that would secure him possession of the North, and enable him to exert more leverage in playing the various parties off against each other (which he had been trying to achieve on a number of prior occasions, when her life hadn’t been in imminent danger)– not because he cares a whit for her wellbeing otherwise.

  606. Deesensfan,
    dee:

    Thanks for the info, I’ve always been curious about those. I didn’t even know we had them in the states, or at least not that I’ve ever heard. The only reason I don’t think could handle staying at a hostel is because I have a sleep disorder. Circadian rhythm is off which means my cycle doesn’t match most peoples. Plus I have to sleep with a fan motor going and no distractions. I am married but we have separate bedrooms, yeah it’s to that extent 🙂

  607. dee,

    Well at least one of us has had an exciting time of it! Good for you dee 🙂 What’s been your favorite place to visit? I took a route in my youth that I have regrets about, too late now. Not being around a culture of travel or independence didn’t help and spoken desires of doing so in recent years have not been met with support or enthusiasm lol! Once a year we get a brochure in the mail where members of the zoo can sign up for an African safari tour. It goes 5 or 6 days and you stay in a few different places overnight, one being like a tree house overlooking the reserve. I love the big cats, and it sounds really cool.

  608. Geralt of Rivia,

    You’re probably right because why else would we have been following all these other characters if only one of them has the spotlight to themselves in the end. But what I meant was more so that a few different characters are going to be important in the grand scheme of things and that doesn’t negate the possibility of the prophecy of AA being reborn is still true. There has to be some sort of good vs evil at play for there to be any kind of suspense and I just have a feeling that Jon (or Bran) will be leading (from our POV) the side of “good” while someone else takes up for the evil. I won’t name names 🙂

  609. Shy Lady Dragon,

    Hi Lady! Just saw your response. I’m not sure if this was made before or after you stated April isn’t feasible for you to get away. I guess a play will run for a month or more, if it does well. I actually wouldn’t mind seeing reviews first. But man, when I checked prices to London a few years ago there were deals going for half of what it costs now. I’ve stayed a few times at a modern campground with shared facilities and it was kind of nice! Peaceful, cozy. Wasn’t in a tent though, we had a little cabin. It only ran 40 bucks a night and within walking distance of a popular tourist area.

  610. YgritTe,

    I was reminiscing about the nice camp before checking my schedule and noticing that I won’t be probably free before July. We were given the themes for the symposiums, but not the dates. We are expecting them to take place in March, April, June and October. The exact dates may be known only several weeks before the events 🙁

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