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Official episode synopsis: Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) trains with the Three-Eyed Raven (Max von Sydow). In King’s Landing, Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) advises Tommen (Dean-Charles Chapman). Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) demands good news, but has to make his own. At Castle Black, the Night’s Watch stands behind Thorne (Owen Teale). Ramsay Bolton (Iwan Rheon) proposes a plan, and Balon Greyjoy (Patrick Malahide) entertains other proposals.
Photos below the cut!
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Update 4/28: We have more new episode 2 images today, courtesy of Scroll.in. Thanks to Diana for the tip!
Hodor
What a fine picture of Meera!
Release the dragons!!!
almost Hodor
And the juxtaposed play of the eyes between Alisair and Edd hilarious and very suggestive!
Love the new photos. Meera looks so pretty.
Tits and dragons!
Looking forward to it
Bran in particular. I;m one of the people who like the long game and so for me I actually find his chapters rather quite interesting as they are the window to past events etc
In the case of the show this seems to be flashbacks!
Edd!
Does anyone else want to see a duel between Dolorous Edd and Alliser Thorne?
No?
Just me?
How funny would it be if Tower Of Joy was Mothers Day
THE PYRE IS BURNING GET HYPE!!!
Arghh! What are Edd and Thorne looking at?! A horde of Wildlings entering Castle Black? Or something more?? I *need* to know. The waiting is the hardest part!
No Euron?
I have to be absolutely honest and to admit that as a non reader I have always found Bran’s plot somehow boring.
That will apparently change this season.
I do too, just for Edd’s expression and comments in the lead up to the fight. But he’ll need to get backup very quickly (maybe from Ghost) otherwise Ser Alister would have him carved up in no time at all.
Edd back a castle Black ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Shit is about to go down, Down with that Cunt Thorne!!!
Probably Wun Wun?
I am slightly concerned after the recent Entertainment Weekly interview with Isaac Hempstead Wright. It sounds a lot like Bran ex Machina.
Joh,
That would be fun, but not sure it would end well for Edd.
Return of the Mutha fuckin Greyjoy’s yall!!!
Bran happily witnessing young Stark children playing/training I assume.
I could be stretching, but the pictures of Alliser and Edd sort of look like they have the lighting on their clothing and face as if there’s a fire nearby…
Jack Bauer 24,
I doubt it, not in the promotional photos for episode 2.
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/04/27/game-thrones-bran-season-6?xid=email-gameofthrones-20160427-readstory
Isaac says Bran has to “save Westeros”.
I found a better picture of that castle black horse ride, you can see that the last rider has black golves on (only Jon wears gloves) and a sword with a white pommel (longclaw).
Behind Jon´s horse you can see someone standing in wildling clothes.
Also the enhanced picture clearly show it is Sansa riding infront of Melisandre
LOOK:
http://s32.postimg.org/rjbc2wu7p/picture_2.jpg
GET HYPE!
Glad that my girl, Meera, is back although I’m not crazy about her sitting alone outside the cave.
And it appears that we get the first of Bran’s visions. That looks like Castle Black. Will he see the visions from the present as well as the past?
Yara does not look happy with Balon. Wonder what’s up there?
When do you think we’ll see Euron?
so basically, we can call it pictures of people looking sideways or intently 😀
Jack Bauer 24,
Looking at those photos again (and again, and again) there appears to be a similar glow coming off Edd and Thorne’s clothes. A glow of fire? “Something” is about to happen, I just know it!
IT’S LIT. GET HYPED!
Too funny – I laughed out loud in the middle of a meeting.
Jack Bauer 24,
I was thinking at the very end of this episode; a surprise Greyjoy reunion. Especially for Balon.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
is that a bloody joke ?
or do you want me to ignore stone heart ?
He can interact with the past as in talk to people?
GOOD CALL – ABSOLUTELY LOOKS LIKE THE GLOW FROM A FIRE – OH WOW!!!
I’m still thinking Jon will be up and about, in whatever form, in episode 3.
Cersei’s Brain,
I believe that Bryan Cogman mentioned on the DVD commentary for “The Laws of Gods and Men” that Yara’s failed attempt to rescue Theon from the Dreadfort would have consequences. She disobeyed Balon’s direct order in order to go save him, and she’s coming home with nothing to show for it. Perhaps she returns to Pyke and discovers that her father, who once looked at her as his preferred heir with such pride, has lost some serious respect for her. I expect she’s in for some cold disapproval at best, and being threatened with a serious loss of status at worst.
mariamb,
Everyone’s excited for the return of Bran and Hodor, as am I. But I’m very much looking forward to seeing Meera again as well. Then again … I think she’ll be in a pretty dark place. I doubt that she’s gotten over her brother’s death (particularly since she had to mercy-kill him herself). Sitting in a cave for months probably hasn’t helped her discover a new sense of purpose either. I expect that she’ll be feeling pretty lost.
Remember how the metadata for some of the initial Season 6 photos included what episode they were in? Do we know what episode the pic of Davos standing above rising smoke was?
Aeryn Sun,
Hyped about what happening ?
For those of you who know him, Rygar has been having a tough time logging on, but asked me to pass along a sincere and heartfelt…
“Penis!”
To everyone. 🙂
My thoughts exactly.
Vegodread,
Certainly appears to be Longclaw.
What a lovely final picture of Thorne. I hope his hands are tied behind his back. As someone else had mentioned, it would be wonderful for him to witness the res of Jon!
I’m wondering. With Bran growing so fast, where is he getting his clothes from? Is Meera constantly altering them? Where would she get anything but fur up beyond the wall?
I’m glad former NBA player Shawn Bradley was available to step in for Isaac Hempstead Wright.
Doesn’t Wun Wun break through the gate this episode?
Episode 4.
Ive noticed that often times these photos are set photos and arent screen shots. So, who knows.
jojenfur
James Rivers,
Episode 4.
Roberta Baratheon,
The Children of the Forest have been around for hundreds of years … I’m sure they have mastered stiuching!!
I have a very strong feeling that he does, looks like episode 2 is going to have the Wildlings storm Castle Black.
Jon’s rez will surely be a cliffhanger in whatever episode it’s in.
Soo,
Looks that way, seeing Bran in Winterfell is obviously the vision of his father when he was a kid.
H Y P E
Nathalie Emanuel is out of this world good looking. Smh
HBO Asia revealed the title for episode 4. It’s
I’m loving all the callbacks to earlier seasons and characters from several seasons ago coming back. Good batch of photos to whet the appetite (which is almost thoroughly whetted already) for Ep 2.
Vegodread,
I dont see a definitive white pomel, but I do see the gloves, and that picture is chopped, so I cant see who is riding in front of Melissandre. But who the hell is behind her? Looks like a demon woman!
Jack Bauer 24,
The prince that was promised. hahaha
You didn´t quote him right. Fixed it for you.
Vegodread,
Youre reading this in the middle of meeting.
I love it.
Most of us here are grown adults at work, reading stuff about Game of Thronees.
Wait a minute……WHERE’S HODOR?!
Hoyti Von Totiy,
That was so funny…………..wait I’m not 13 years old !
James Rivers,
There was also a very similar pic of Mel on the CB walkways with smoke rising out of the courtyard below her.
I too would love to see Thorne’s face when Jon is rezzed. I personally want Mel to fail just do he can wake up in the pyre.
IceKhione,
You’re right! It is on there. Hmm.
Greatjon of Slumber,
LOLLLLLLL
I have not looked at the pics (just like to keep some visuals a surprise, but most of your comments are increasing my hyppppeeeeeeeee
Edd looking right chuffed. ❤
TheMannis,
Is that what its called?
About the
Deesensfan,
According to HBO Asia…yep!
http://hboasia.com/HBO/en-hk/shows/game-of-thrones/season6/episode4/
Gahhhhhhhhhh! !!! I just KNEW that
If that episode title is real, what does Book of the Stranger mean?
TheMannis,
what does it meeaaaan? D:
Roberta Baratheon,
Those are his vision clothes. They can be any size he can imagine. His real clothes are still furs, so they probably just tacked on a few more as he grew. 🙂
Mods-please can you sort out the website? It’s been playing up for well over a week now even after clearing cache/browsing history (which is a pain anyway as we need to be able to revisit sites sometimes). Namaste! ??
Ghosts Lunch,
I read the first four books before the show was announced, and through that first read-through Bran was my favorite character. My username on here is a reference to Bran. Can’t wait for his storyline this season!
Connor,
Maybe it has something to do with
Next episode HYPE.
IceKhione,
Since the Stranger refers to death in the new gods faith,this means that it’s the book of the dead,probably something to do with Arya’s storyline .
“stranger” represents death in GOT so this would be the book …
Sister Kisser,
Davos wears gloves too…. And last we saw in the trailer, he had Longclaw… maybe thats him?
TheMannis,
Uuuh, interesting.
It may have something to do with the High Sparrow and the King’s Landing plot. “The Book of the Stranger” must be the Stranger section of the Seven-Pointed Star (the Faith’s bible.) Maybe it’s mentioned in the talk between Tommen and the High Sparrow seen in the trailers about everyone deserving death.
Connor,
youre killing me
Where’s LF? Walder Frey? Lancel Lannister/Faith? Bronn? Sam/Gilly? Rickon/Osha/Shaggydog?
Could be, he could be returning the sword to the Mormonts.
Haha, my apologies, tomorrow is thursday! 3 days starting tomorrow!
I don’t know. I’m just not excited about them possibly burning the body in the next episode. Mainly because I don’t think that’s how they’ll bring that person back, due to it being a bit too bizarre for the casual viewers (although it would be awesome for us). If anything it just means they are trying to headfake us and destroy our hopes, only to have a big reveal later on that what we thought we were watching wasn’t really that persons body burning.
I personally think it’s just the camera lighting since these are photos and not final images from the broadcast footage. Doesn’t mean that body burning isn’t coming in the next episode, but either way I’m guessing Thorne isn’t there to watch it.
Roberta Baratheon,
TV magic.
Connor,
maybe it’s name of the chapter of the seven-pointed star, similar to books of the Bible like book of exodus etc.
Ron Snow,
Not bizzare to the casual viewer…. Dany went in a pyre and didn’t die… its not unusual to use burning….
Connor,
don’t be sorry
I love it.
We don’t know lol, we are not Bran. We will find out in the episodes to come.
Joh,
Does anyone else want to see a duel between Dolorous Edd and Alliser Thorne?
This got me thinking of who I’d like to see in a villains melee. Thorne, Ellaria, SS, Late Frey, Ramsay, Joff, Rorge & Biter (tag team of course), Big Craster, Janos, Locke/VH, Viserys and Styr. Melee winner faces Robert Strong in single combat with NO rest period. Winner of that gets eaten by Drogon.
Luka Nieto,
yep, thought the same thing
Joh,
Yes as long as Edd wins!
Well the Stranger is
*One of the Seven ie Death/Many Faced God so could be dealing with death and resurrection. JON
*Or the Hound’s horse-who is named Stranger
*Or Arya-who is training to be FM
*Or the book of the dead as in past visions from Bran
*Or the arrival of Benjen? 🙂
That title is very promising with a lot of possibilities.
Home on the other hand…I’ve got nothing. No one is close to going or being home.
RG,
Home is Winterfell where Bran will go to in his flashback. Home is Pyke where Theon will be heading to.
Don’t forget Euron is coming home!
Were there filming reports about smoke/fire near Winterfell set??? I thought there were.
It’s probably burning dead after the Wildlings/Edd/Davos vs. Thorne/allies conflict. Afterall, if Edd and Davos are walking around, it can’t be that the loyalists and Wildlings were totally defeated.
There were filming reports of smoke coming from the set for Castle Black. That could very well be what it is.
I just finished work and omg MEEEEEEEERAAAAAAA!! I missed her! I hope we get some long scenes with Bran and his crew.
Allister and Edd’s photos look like they were taken during a filming break.
Flayed Potatoes,
I think so too.
Jack Bauer 24,
Oh that’s right. Okay. I’m not sure Theon could get back home by episode 2 but Euron could definitely show up and Bran will absolutely be seeing Winterfell in brighter days. Thanks
Anyone else notice the green, elegant fabric in the ‘shopped pic with Stoneheart inserted behind Melisandre? Looks like a woman’s cloak or end of a dress.
Deesensfan,
I think there’s a 0% chance that Jon gets resurrected via fire burning. That’s crazy.
1) It ruins everything that made Dany’s moment birthing the dragons unique or magical or as truly awe-inspiring as it was. Even GRRM talks about it being this spectacularly unique moment.
2) There’s no evidence that you have to be resurrected via fire. Remember, Jon is the song of ICE and fire. Dany is pure fire. I don’t think just fire will resurrect him. We’ve seen resurrections on this and in the book that have nothing to do with burning.
3) It is far far far far more likely that any fire we see is burning the dead from a conflict, not burning Jon Snow’s body.
What’s with the damage to Thorne’s armor? It could be the gash Tormund inflicted back in season 4, but surely that would of been repaired by now?
IceKhione,
The Hounds return?
It really does. My heart is racing just thinking about it.
Edd: I didn’t know fire brought back wolves.
Melisandre: Looks into the flames. Not wolves. Dragons.
Audience: ??????? / ???????
Is it Sunday yet?!?!
Not sure if any of these are spoilery given what we have found out from the trailers and promo pics, but Home could refer to…
Several of these shots look quite staged – not sure the Thorne and Edd shots are live action shots, more set photos as someone suggested. The trailer and footage that was released shows the battle taking place at night, so I’d be surprised if Edd ands Thorne would be hanging out in the day time making faces at one another.
It’s a misdirection. Eddie doesn’t look as happy as one would look of Jon was back alive.
Awwww Meera so cute 🙂
Any guesses on what episode we’ll see the NK again?
Show some patience man.
It looks Edd and Alliser photo is from the same moment. It looks like pyre is burning or something. Smoke was coming from Castle Black set and it might be it. Also Davos was standing there and smoke around him. That means wildings are there too since Edd was going for them. He’ll come with them eventually. .Alliser still alive and shouldn’t be if Edd and Wildlings are there. Interesting.
Meera! Finally.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04/27/game-of-thrones-isaac-hempstead-wright-bran-will-reveal-interesting-glimpses-into-the-past
Another Isaac interview and he said we’ll see the connection between the NK and 3ER!
Nadia,
The ‘one time magical event’ for Dany being fireproof is only in the books. Filming news indicates that
I personally do not see Jon getting resurrected by fire in the books, but I think he might in the show. It would make his ‘rebirth’ more climatic and basically confirm him as ‘The Lords Chosen.’ The show also like Jon/Dany parallels.
When the Jon loyalists carried his body away, Davos also stopped to look at the blood. While people have been saying it looks like a dragon, I think he was surprised by the property of it. It did not look frozen, which it should have been given the temperature. It could have been hinting towards his (warm) dragon blood.
Nadia,
I would agree with that-but then I think-why wouldn’t Jon be added to the pile? There has to be some reason they’d risk zombie Jon by not burning him. Something has to happen in Episode 2 to give someone hope that he can be saved or…
we’re not seeing the scene we think we’re seeing. Which is always a possibility.
If he’s watching his friend’s body burn, I doubt he’d look very happy. I’m guessing that’s what the picture’s showing.
Regardless, the very idea of a pyre is getting me hyped. Who knows what could happen?!
Jack Bauer 24,
I’m going to make a wild guess and say after episode 5. Bran will see into the past before seeing into the future or present 🙂
Jon is burned by a lantern in the fight with the Wight in Season 2.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
I have a feeling thats Davos on the bay horse behind mel. Notice the rider is holding the reins one handed, which davos would likely do with missing fingers on his right hand (and that hand kinda looks like its missing its fingers, which davos always has gloved..)
r-hard,
What pyre?
Next episode is one of Tyrions best lines! “That’s what I do, I drink and I know things” AMAZING
The God of Tits and Wine!
bransnow,
My point is that it’s a Dany related thing. She is the Mother of Dragons.
1) Jon burns
2) He’s equally ICE and fire
3) The ONLY example of resurrection on the show is done without fire. There’s no reason to burn Jon to resurrect him.
Why they wouldn’t add Jon’s body? Because he’s either been resurrected by then – which is why Thorne is still alive and still Davos/Edd etc are all walking around – or his body is gone.
People are going way overboard on the blood thing. I think Davos was merely looking at how much he’s bleed out, ie he’s been dead by multiple stabs for a while.
8-10
Hopefully soon! I am soooooooo excited for the White Walker scenes in season!!
Jack Bauer 24,
And basically Jon would have known if he was unaffected by fire/heat like Dany did in the first episode
Jack Bauer 24,
My guess is Episode 4 probably in one of the Bran visions. Book of the Stranger could be about NK.
Ser Roger Sterling,
She looks even more beautiful with longer hair.
bransnow,
I personally thought of a dragon when I was first watching, and of course on every rewatch I can’t see anything but. Whether or not it’s suppose to be anything specific, I find it odd that they made a point to have Davos seemingly study it as well as show it. D&D know people were trying to say the blood was forming an image after the finale last year. Could it be something as trivial as a little Easter egg towards those ideas, or could they have thought that was a good idea to place something significant? I guess we’ll find out…
Joh,
I’d rather see a duel between Wun Wun and Alliser Thorne.
Esmail,
The picture is meant to be a joke. It’s a Lady Stoneheart reference.
Yes, I think we will. Luke Roberts wrote on Twitter a couple of days ago to look for him in ep 3!
If they had to cut down on the cast I still wish they would have killed off Meera instead of Jojen. Jojen is a much more interesting character and adds a lot more to the story.
JamesL,
Not unless she does have a part to play.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
WoW, never made the connection between Ash in Army of Darkness and Westeros before, I had wondered what medieval realm was the setting, now I know.
JamesL,
Jojen was boring. Meera is much more friendly.
How does Jojen add anything at all once they arrive to the Three-eyed raven and Bran himself becomes a master of his magic? Jojen was a fine spiritual guide, but his role was done the minute they arrived at the cave. Meanwhile, Meera has always been defined by her role as the protector —Jojen’s, and then Bran’s. That hasn’t changed and probably won’t for a while, and Bran will be in danger again I’m sure, so Meera almost by definition adds more to the story right now. And if any exposition is needed on the Reeds or anything like that, of course Meera can do that too.
hahaha – I feel like I just got Rickrolled.
Nice to see Balon will have some interactions before Euron arrives. I thought they might just show him once.
I thought so too, but thinking about it, it would’ve been weird. We haven’t seen him since season three. We haven’t really spent any significant amount of time with Balon since the middle of season two, when he was introduced! In other words, he needs to be reintroduced —Through Yara, who we are more acquainted with.
True, but when has the show ever been known for continuity? Also, Jon will be getting resurrected, it will be a magical event either way, involving some ‘higher power.’ I don’t think Jon not burning will be because of him, it will be more linked to him being azor ahai reborn. His dragon blood will just be ‘activated’ because of his death (the man is born) or whatever…Or it will be done by the will of R’hllor
I’m not saying that I am certain it will happen, especially not in the books. But I would not rule it out. It seems like the climatic sort of visuals the show would go for, rather than some anti-climatic moment where Jon is kissed or prayed back to life, as if he was merely asleep or injured. The resurrection needs to live up to the hype and prove that Jon is Mel’s chosen one. It needs to be more special than Beric being resurrected.
I hope this doesn’t drag out Euron’s debut. Hope to still see him this episode.
I would assume so. Balon “hears several proposals”, claims one version of the synopsis. From Yara and Euron, presumably.
My guess is we see him twice. Somewhere b/w episode 4-7 and then again in the finale.
I don’t know where else to ask this… does anyone have an good quality photos of the Brienne/Sansa scene from the premiere?
Hoyti Von Totiy,
No.
Meera looks so pretty! I bet they’ll show Bran crushing on her this season. Can’t blame him either.
Red Viper,
Haven’t the been around for ever for thousands of years even before the first men?
A stich in time… saves nine… seven…. no one….
Meera does look a bit like JS…hmm.
West of Moon,
I think it will happen after Jon’s resurrection, unless of course they want to drive home how scared they all are.
Not this again….
Roberta Baratheon,
This is a fantasy, so the little people were obviously taking care of that while he was sleeping, the poor dear 🙂
That picture of Edd is scaring me.
I hope it is just there because he will be playing a larger role this episode/season rather than because he dies this episode.
Ron Snow,
Ye but the lighting in the BG is colder. Surely a professional photographer would match the light source unless there is another light source that justifies the colour temp.
Red Viper,
dang! I was too slow. Well great minds think alike
Jack Bauer 24,
Yeah but now he is dead and their is some residue blood magic from last season to power the transformation and to “melt the snow”.
We also don’y know if Bran or Blood Raven will have any part in the resurrection – again the only people who know who Jon is, and what he might have been, and therefore have motivation to do something.
Amnesiac,
Next Lord Commander. Mark my words! 😛
Is it just me or does Edd look smug (for a change) and Thorne look worried?
I am not sure we will see any funeral pyres yet in episode 2, it does seem a bit early. The most we could likely expect is a fight between the Wildlings and the Nights Watch. Perhaps if Melisandre resurrects Jon there could be a moment at the end of the episode where he just opens his eyes or something.
Home could mean a lot of different things, Sam could be homesick, he could be missing Jon and Castle Black. Euron will return home. Dany could reach Vaes Dothrak, it was her first home with Drogo. Sansa could be thinking of taking back Winterfell. Bran will be back at Winterfell in a vision. The theme about home could be more about missing home then going home.
It seems like the more interesting events will happen in episode 3 and episode 4. It does seem like we will get the TOJ in episode 3. So I suspect Jon will be resurrected in episode 3. He could rise from a funeral pyre or Melisandre could resurrect him. In the show I think it would actually work well to resurrect Jon on a funeral pyre. We know that Drogon will burn a Dothraki temple in episode 4, and Dany will walk out of the fire unscathed. It would be a nice parallel if Jon also walked away from the flames, especially after seeing the TOJ scenes.
But on the other hand the show has given some focus to Melisandre, and she has had a lot of setup for this resurrection to happen.
The Book of the Stranger is a very interesting title. It immediately makes me think of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Stranger is death, it is the one aspect of the seven that is not prayed to. Only the Many Faced God, acknowledges the Stranger.
The book of the dead is about giving a person the guidance to reach the afterlife. It is tempting to connect this with resurrection, but resurrection is about leaving the afterlife so I dont know, it not quite the same thing.
I really do hope they dont delay this resurrection until episode 4. It would become a bit preposterous to explain why Jon’s body is being kept lying around for so many episodes.
A Man Grown,
Oh I loved him; never got bored. That is one story arc from the books that I wish was done differently in the show (and no I am not complaining, just commenting on how I feel, ok? No knife throwing allowed)
Ron Snow,
Might be Allistairs body…we can hope
You saw this?
Blood of the Dragon
Deesensfan,
I think theres a vast difference to an audience between walking into a pyre and emerging unburned, and being dead as a doornail then being resurrected while burning on a funeral pyre. Its all magic, of course, and I personally wouldn’t mind the doing that, but I just don’t see them going that route for various reasons.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Just like Varys’ genitalia, I thought something was missing. 🙂
On another note, Issac looks so freakin’ tall! Wonder if he’s caught up to Sophie yet.
Littlefinger, is that you?
Definitely seems like Bran is at Winterfell, looking at a scene similar to what we saw in one of the behind the scenes videos?
http://www.iamag.co/features/itsart/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/got-behind-scenes1.jpg
Young Ned and young Benjen sparring with wooden swords etc. It might be when young Hodor appears too? This makes sense to me. We need a nice, easy introduction to Bran’s visions of the past. Then later they can start throwing more important, mysterious info at us like the Tower of Joy. Plus, it reminds the audience (yet again) of Benjen’s existence and if Hodor is there (perhaps we find out how he became a simpleton?) then it creates a clear past/present reference for the audience.
He looks anything but smug…
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Today is the first day in over a week that I can see new threads on this site. I missed the opportunity to ‘Penis’ the season premier thread. I probably missed the Twitter Recaps and to ‘Penis’ Kenny’s sexy bod as well.
I demand justice. I demand a trial by combat. I demand that Yara get naked in episode two. I demand that for once, Mel gets to feel a penis inside her ‘real’ vagina. I’d say a Pycelle/Mel hook up is in order.
I really think these photos are just set photos and not actual freeze frames from the episode, but clearly it does look like there is a fire.
……………..what
Joe Weaver,
They did show Tywin’s dead on father day.
I agree with the other commenters that it looks like Ser Alliser and Edd are looking at a funeral pyre; you can see the reflection in their faces. And it’s certainly possible that it’s Jon’s body that’s being burned.
But this raises an awful possibility: what if they burn Jon’s body and . . . nothing happens. For quite some time commenters here (and elsewhere) have been talking about Jon’s return as if it’s a certainty; the only question is when. I happen to share that view. But what if we’re all wrong? What if Kit was telling the truth and that he’s only playing a corpse this season?
In the immediate aftermath there would be a lots of talk about how the doubters were right all along and that Jon is truly, irrevocably, dead. Media stories about how one of the fan-favorite GOT characters is finally gone for good.
Then, sometime before the end of the season, probably at a critical moment, Jon would reappear. My guess would be at the battle of the bastards, but who knows? And it will be revealed that it wasn’t Jon’s body that was burned but someone else. In other words, the Mance plot from the books, where it appeared his body was burned but he was actually alive is being reserved for Jon.
On the TV show, we already know after last Sunday’s episode that Mel can disguise her own appearance; it isn’t too much of stretch to imagine that she can do it to someone else. Furthermore, the producers might want to crush all hope before they bring Jon back. And perhaps they want to screw with the heads of the Jon Snow fans a little bit—just before the big reveal.
Texan in Westeros,
This makes sense but then again one has to ask why hide him if he is reborn?
Meera looks great for someone that’s been cooped up in a cave for several months. Looks like she found some hair products since her hair looks shiny and combed. Between her hair & Bran’s new do, the Children of the Forest must be running a salon in that cave.
Yara does not look happy with daddy. I’m sure he’s belittling her for something or other.
Bran looks, dare I say, happy watching whatever it is that happening in his WF vision. Poor kid, haven’t seen him smile in years.
The pictures of Thorne & Edd have similar lighting, as if they’re in the same scene watching something develop. If it’s the same scene, could it be that
When you zoom in, you can clearly see a burning pyre in Alliser’s and Edd’s eyeballs.
Also, Meera is sitting casually outside of the cave. BLAHAHAHAHA!
Simon,
Probably to screw with the fans and crush all of the speculation stemming from the leaks and photos from the set.
Seriously, though, you’re right: there’s no good reason that I can think of to keep Jon’s resurrection a secret. I’m sure the writers could come up with one but there’s nothing that immediately comes to mind. But it would magnify the shock of Jon’s eventual return, and when he came back it would be a “holy crap” moment for nearly all of us.
Texan in Westeros,
The only reason I can think of is that he is in some mid change phase and is vulnerable.
I don’t see anyway Thorne and company can make it past this episode. There is no way him and Eddie are watching the same thing because once the Jon loyalists are out in the open, Thorne will attack.
Was it ever confirmed that the
was actually episode 4? Or could it also be episode 3? Didn’t the director do episodes 3 and 4?
Rygar,
Welcome back! Missed ya, buddy!
Looks like Edd and Thorne are posing for a photo lol, I actually think that’s what they’re doing haha.
bransnow,
At this point, if he is rezzed by some other means (not Rh’llor), how is that going to help Mel’s current doubts and insecurities. It’s almost like she has to be the one who does it.
She looks pretty confident again in that picture of her sitting on the horse.
Connor,
I’ve read that theory. It’s a bit of a stretch. Not my favorite, but I can buy it. Plus…there are your three heads!
So do you think we’ll see Mel in episode 2 and will it be young or old Mel? Is Davos going to shit himself when he sees her?
Esmail,
Exactly what I’m thinking. I remember some of the photos from last seasons episodes they released before the upcoming episode each week, and at the very least the lighting was always way different than what was in the episode.
I’m not thinking we see Thorne and Edd both calmly walking around outside after the scenes from the trailers where they are breaking down the door and then the wildlings arrive with Wun Wun and Edd leading the way. Maybe the mutineers wil surrender, but I doubt it, especially not Thorne.
Wow at the amount of people who think that jon waking from dead in funeral pyre is same as dany walking into pyre …guys in this jon doesn’t resemble dany he resembles drogo..
And dany’s event was set up throughout the whole season how she is resistant to heat and fire .
Havingtarg blood does not make you fireproof ..
Anyways I guess it will end up like always a basesless speculation similar to how every one was claiming that mel undressing is nissa nissa moment ..or atleast I hope it does .
Sullied by Knight,
Except if he is revived on the pyre, she could see it as a sign from Rhollor which would likely cheer her up. Odds are none of the characters are going to make a connection between Jon and Targaryens, they’ll think she or her fire god did something because of the fire involved.
El-Bobbie,
I hope not ..
There will be no time for it to happen in episode 3 ..
We still have dany arriving in vaes dothrak ..
She is being stripped by dish khaleen …she is seen talking to young widows …and considering she is not seen in episode 2 sure it will be like season 3 ..
unlike most I think the fire is started by dany herself and not drogon [ /spoiler]
Ygritte,
She looks nothing like Jon Snow in the source material. This “theory” if you can even call it that is because they cast someone for Meera who looks somewhat like Kit Harington. It’s 51 episodes and 5 books in now. Both versions would have dropped a few hints by now if they were twins. There’s no evidence in either source material or show that they are some super secret twins.
Dany could have a scene in “Home”.
Jack Bauer 24,
I have a feeling she will reveal her true self to Davos, probably episode 3 or this Sundays episode, I don’t know.
its nice seeing Bran(kinda) smile..we really havent seen that since Episode one
HBO trying to drive us crazy wit those pics of Thorne and Edd ..they KNOW we will be going over every inch of them “is that flames…do I see a pyre??” to try and figure out what going on lol
orange,
I blame Star Wars….everyone has to have a hidden twin now 😉
orange,
Thank you! I hate this theory.
I laughed out loud.
Esmail,
Whats so funny about Meera sitting outside the cave?
Jack Bauer 24,
I doubt that I guess we have to wait and see…I will be glad if she did have a scene.
Iam sure I did add
before in my comment …don’t know how it is vanished. ..does the site still having problems ..
orange,
Exactly ..
Anyone remember how casting trystene martell made way for theories of him being aegon because he and kit have same hair .
Look at what happened to trystene
Well considering the Sand Snakes teleported all the way to Kings Landing to murder Trystane, Ill buy it. It would be a very cruel twist by D&D, but sure why not. And out of nowhere Daryl Dixon shows up with his crossbow and shoots Ramsay Bolton dead.
Is someone else having spoiler code getting vanished ..I did add the [Spoiler]
It happened again ..
I don’t know why or how this is happening .
dragonbringer,
Probably two different things. After all, as Davos inferred, Alliser has no intentions of letting Edd and the other Loyalists live: so, they should not be watching the same thing.
She isn’t disguising her appearance per se: she becomes much younger when the pendant is “on.” That is very different from taking on the appearance of another person: all of us could go back to looking like we did when we were young if you “just” undo aging; that would be very different from taking on another person’s appearance!
At any rate, lines of conjecture forget one key thing: it’s not about what Jon does or what someone looking like Jon does: it’s about how Jon’s going to evolve. This is not Lord of the Rings, after all!
That’s the world’s slowest teleportation device, then. I suspect horseback would have been a bit quicker.
Jack Bauer 24,
Just as longs at the don’t rush his introduction like they did with the Doran killing. That was awful and should have been played out with a few more scenes.
That, and the fact that they share curly hair is about as much evidence that they are siblings as the fact my wife and I share curly hair is evidence that we are siblings. News flash: we are not!
Seriously, they do not use physical similarity as a criterion for casting sibling when they are known siblings: why on Earth would they use it for “secret” siblings?
She will put the choker back on and re-engage the spell: if nothing else, she probably cannot live too long unless she restores her youth. It probably will be where Mel starts to rebound. However, given that she’s not one of the central characters, they really cannot spend too much time on this.
It also would be completely Deus ex Machina to revive Jon any other way. The show (and the books, for that matter) have given us exactly zero other ways to undo death.
Hoyti Von Totiy, that scared the CRAP out of me. Well done.
Wimsey,
They are looking at the same thing from the same angle. See that light spot in their eyes? It looks like a pyre shaped like this —| with a large fire coming off the right side.
Wimsey,
None of know if melisandre is using glamour to appear like her younger self OR to appear like a random good looking woman. None of us have seen a young melisandre so other people’s theory that she has strong glamouring power could be correct.
Rewatching, it’s bullshit Ghost only started to howl and bang about after Jon died and not while the traitors were plotting and leading him to the slaughter like every direwolf except Shaggy & Lady have done until now.
Wanderer,
It’s obviously a version of herself. They wouldn’t go to all the trouble to make them look like the same person if the old woman was some random chick.
Looking at Bran’s pic, show Bran looks so similar to how book Jon is supposed to look!
Esmail,
I don’t think they teleported. I would think that after Jaime and party left, they got onto a smaller, faster ship and followed just after. The first ship would have docked in port…the smaller boat that got them ashore would have to go out and meet the bigger ship, unload the body and Jaime and whatever stuff they might have been bringing back, etc. Takes time.
A better question is how did the message from Jaime get back to Doran. Did he write it while on the ship or after he was back in King’s Landing. Did it go by bird or was there a third boat that sailed back to Dorne to deliver the message. Any method takes time. During that time, the Sand Snakes could have gotten to Tristane’s boat.
Deesensfan,
I was thinking the same thing, they did it with Dany and it was awesome!
Sullied by Knight,
I cannot believe ppl are still talking about this.
Wimsey,
You’re telling me Frodo doesn’t “evolve”? His character changes as do the other hobbits. Don’t knock LOTR!
Connor,
I think it’s the most interesting picture. She seems very unhappy. She’s probably lonely. The other pics are cropped so closely it’s hard to have any idea what is going on.
Connor,
There was a fervent belief it was way too dangerous to ever set foot outside the cave ever again after the pic of Bran balancing on a horse in furs in the woods was released, and yet here we have Meera just chillin outside.
Texan in Westeros,
You cannot see a funeral pyre clearly in their eyes. Bullshit. Also it makes no sense.
Now the lighting kind of looks like they are looking at a fire. But maybe that is a Mellisandre induced fire. I don’t even think that is probable. They are both not reacting. They look sort of resigned. No weapons in hand. No surprise or fear. So I haven’t a clue but I think this is a bullshit idea.
Ron Snow,
Yarwyck & the other officer were already sweating it. When Wun Wun & savage wildlings burst through the gates right at the moment Alliser & friends break through the door, they will be cornered by Ghost on one side & a freakin giant on the other. There were a lot of archers, but Wun Wun could clothesline several of them in one motion. Alliser looks like he’s seen a ghost. Edd looks smug like a new Lord Commander.
Demon Monkey,
I can’t believe that I answered. I’ve read it so many times over the past few days…I guess I just had a weak moment. Now maybe we should talk about whether or not Jon is dead. 😉
Okay, so the Sand Snakes really are a sneaky bunch… and they want war.
So they sneak into Kings Landing, sneak onto the ship and kill Tristain.
Now everyone back home will believe that the Lannisters did it.
Way to go girls!!
Did anyone else see the picture of the message that Jamie sent to Doran?
In it he mentions, “now Tristain cannot stay in Kings Landing.”
I think Alliser is on the far right side of the walkway in front of the double doors and Edd is at the bottom of the stairs, both looking in the same direction to the right (their left).
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/gameofthrones/images/7/7b/Castle_Black.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110920111941
Off-topic: Owen Teale (Ser Alliser) had acted in a Torchwood episode. He was good, but I stopped watching Torchwood after that. Those who like horror stories might enjoy it.
Torchwood spoiler:
Rygritte,
Agreed.
She isn’t doing either. For one thing, it is not just appearance: otherwise, she would be long since dead of old age. When the spell is enacted, she is physically young. An illusion might make her look young: but it could not make her walk or move like a young person. Face lifts and plastic surgery can make a person look much younger: but cosmetic illusions cannot hide the fact that the person no longer moves like a young person, and they cannot postpone death.
It does not look clearly like that at all. However, the big problem is that Alliser and Edd cannot both be looking at things in the same place with both free. Alliser intends to kill Edd and the other Loyalists. So, if Alliser is free, then Edd is dead or (at best) in chains (literally or figuratively). Conversely, if Edd is free, then Alliser is in chains. However, both men are standing free, which means that they should not be together.
Frodo’s character never was developed in the first place, so we cannot see how it evolved. However, Tolkien would not have done that: he was very explicit about why there are no protagonists in Lord of the Rings, and very explicit about why he thought that stories should use heroes rather than protagonists. The Inklings were, after all, an open rejection of modern literature. The notion of individuals evolving was abhorrent to him and his cronies because they staunchly believed that all people are born to a type: you are your father’s son or your mother’s daughter. That mean two things. One, once he gave you Frodo’s birth, then you knew everything that you needed to know. Two, Frodo was a good person, and thus would not try to evolve: no good could ever come from people aspiring to be something different than that. (Indeed, the common factor to all “evil” beings in Tolkien is that they tried to become something greater than they started: that would be like rewriting Crows/Dragons so that all of the main characters became “evil” for trying to be heroes for the day.)
Lest this seem strange now, we need to remember that many people in the 19th century considered Tolstoy’s, Dickens’, etc. work (all of which has had far greater influence on GRRM’s storytelling style than has Tolkien) to be “immoral” and “degenerate” because those tales focused on people being able to evolve as individuals.
Olly! At one point months ago, I had felt fairly certain that would happen.
orange,
Not a book reader but for the show i dont believe they are related. Just pounting out that she reminds me of a female Jon Snow.
Jon has dark brown hair and dark gray eyes with a long face (which Wright-Hempstead does not have). That’s all the description we have: we don’t know the shape of his chin or nose, we do not know how thick his lips are or how wide his mouth is, how big his teeth are, whether they are crooked, we don’t know how he wears his hair (probably long and messy, but it’s never stated), whether there are any distinguishing features (moles, dimples, etc.), how thick his eyebrows are, how prominent is facial hair might already be, whether he’s particularly pale or darker complexioned, etc.
Rygritte,
She probably is not be outside the cave in the same place: she probably has exited the caves somewhere else where there are not any wights.
Rygritte,
Wimsey,
Actually they are at opposite ends of CB. DE is standing on the stairs below the wall winch/elevator. You can see all the wood work and the x struts between the rails that are not where Throne is standing. He is standing at the opposite end of the courtyard. Yes the double doors are behind him but he’s standing on the walk way Stanis watched Jon train from (during the “that was not Ned’s way” chat) facing in the opposite direction with the yard behind him. The doors loom large obviously because the photographer is using a longer lens, hence the lack of focal depth in the background and making it appear as though the double doors are closer.
I would then suggest these characters are not looking at the same thing and as much as I want there to be a pyre it’s just some light source reflected in their eyes.
Wimsey,
Rygritte,
Actually you maybe be right about where DE is but even so their ain’t no pyre in that shot unless it’s lit on the walkway or in CG quarters.
There was so much chatter about him in the off season now radio silence. Is he even on the show anymore? But seriously, why are they hiding him? it can’t be because Asbaek isn’t a known actor. Neither was Pedro Pascal and they hyped Oberyn.
What if Jon will be back by the Old Gods?!
I think someone will give a sacrifice for the Old Gods and they’ll take it instead of Jon
I don’t know but I think he’ll be back in an unexpected way
Everyone think that Mel will bring him back, others think he’ll rose out of fire
While the solution is under our noses the whole time
Slow? How do you know? If they teleported just a few seconds before they opened the door into his chamber to kill him, then its quite fast… Who made you the expert on Sand Snake teleportation? 😉 When do you think they would have teleported? Hearsay on your part!
Are you mentally retarded? Why do you say that Sand snakes teleported to king landing? Stop watching the show, you really have a low level IQ and are unable to understand anything.
how would he know about that? The wolf can see the future? LOL, stop making stuff up… in the show, which is normal and logical, no wolf can see the future or read people minds. What the fuck is this shit?
The only bullshit thing here is you.
By teleported you mean took a ship which was about as fast as Trystane’s?
Hoyti Von Totiy,
hahahaha yesss! ?
The fact they used Carice to play both young and old Melisandre would indicate that they are the same person just with different age.
I like the idea that it’s really a youth restoring spell and not one that changes the appearance to some specific different person. Her totally different movement and posture would indicate that she really aged, although of course we don’t know if the spell can disguise such things too.
Also could it be that she disengaged the spell to lay down and die?
I wonder if Brienne will meet Melisandre, and how would she react. She’s as guilty of Renly’s murder as Stannis, after all.
Eh? Don’t mind me I’m Canadian.
Tywin of the Hill,
She doesn’t know that though. She just knows she saw a shadow with Stannis’s face. That’s it.
Nadia,
I don’t think it would happen with fire, and I don’t want it to.
but I was responding to someone who said burning his body for a resurrection wouldn’t make sense… and I was explaining that it can happen, though I don’t think it will and wouldn’t want it to. That’s just my girl DANY!
RG,
Zombie Jon can only happen with a WW in the vicinity, and with the magic protecting the walls, they can get to him right now.
Connor,
I think we will see them in a vision sooner… but I think we will see them later in the season in “real life”
Rygritte,
He probably was, they just didn’t show us. Relax
Rygar,
Haha we Canadians rock
Does it not look like Alliser Thorne’s hands are handcuffed behind his back?
Sullied by Knight,
An even better question would be how right-handed Jaime managed to write a message after his right hand was chopped off.
Flayed Potatoes,
I would say that since his hand got chopped off, he has practiced and learnt how to write with his left
Kit Hairyton,
OUU! HODOR
This supposed letter that Jamie wrote, are they going to show us in the show that the letter was written by Jamie and sent by raven or something?
It would be nice to show us that Jamie sent the letter. Things would make even MORE sense…
90% of the people who watched it didn’t see this letter we have shared here.
though my sister, from initial viewing, assumed that Trystane sent a raven to his father from the ship.
Deesensfan,
I agree, they should let us know he was the one to send it.
A simple talk with Cersei or Kevan about Dorne would do… After all I do hope they mention dead Trystane, or give us a good reason why Jaime wouldn’t find out.
Mihnea,
exactly
Deesensfan,
I do think resurrection by fire is possible. After so much build up and hype after his death, the show might give us a more spectacular way of resurrection, something to make that scene memorable. If Jon comes back exactly the way that Beric did, Mel praying by his side, would it have the same effect?
I could be wrong though, and the scene in S3 where Mel travels all that way to meet Thoros and Beric could foreshadow that she will do the same thing with Jon. However, I would like the resurrection to be somewhat different than Beric’s.
It’d be a bit weird if they don’t even mention in the future that Trystane was murdered in the docks (or dissapeared, if the Sand Snakes got ride of the body). Considering that it seems Dorne is going to war with the Crown, and Cersei will want to go war too, the subject of Trystane will probably come up.
Luka Nieto,
Yeah, but no one who would care about Trystane’s murder is alive..
When it will air?
ghost of winterfell,
I agree. I actually don’t know how it would happen, if it were to happen.
I don’t think we need a big marvelous scene to be content with his resurrection, however I do believe it should be bigger than Beric’s. Beric’s in season 3 was offscreen anyway, but it was as simple as praying and him coming back.
A fire thing would be cool, but it would undermine Dany the unburnt. But is that really a problem, if they are 2 of the 3 mains in the end?
Another unique way would be awesome, I just cant think of any other way.
Luka Nieto,
A possible answer would be this.
The guards on the ship where with Ellaria and the SS.
So the ship leaves, Jaime thinks with Trystane still alive.
That doesn’t mean we can’t find out that he wrote the letter. I believe they will mention it in either a scene with him and Kevan, Cersei or Tommen.
What do you mean?
Deesensfan,
It looks too neat, considering it’s his non-dominant hand.
That would be Deus ex Machina in the bad story-telling sense: never has the show (or the books) given us any indication that the Old Gods have that sort of ability. Chekhov’s Rule works both ways: it’s not just making a big deal about something only if it is going to be important in the story or plot later, but it’s also about not making something important to the plot late without introducing it early.
The goal should not be to create an “effect”: the goal should be effective storytelling and plotting. Again, this is the only way introduced to revive the dead so far on the show (or in the books). Beric’s revival introduced this to us. This is very much what Chekhov was writing about when he admonished novelists and playwrites to not hang guns early unless they were going to be fired late: the revival gun has been hung, and now it needs to be fired. Otherwise, there was not much point to the Beric material. (It did develop that R’hllor bestows pretty impressive power on its followers: but that was a lot of work for one power!)
It should only be discussed if it is relevant to the plot or the story hereafter. Along these same lines, there is absolutely no reason to tell us who sent the raven to Doran: there are any number of possible sources, and unless somehow this is to be important to the plot, there is no reason to waste show time on it. It is quite possible that last weeks’ scene largely cauterized Dorne: it served it’s purpose last year for telling Jaime’s part of the story, but it could well be nothing more than a minor plot element from here on out.
Luka Nieto,
Disregard, I misunderstood what you were saying. I thought you were saying that Trystane’s murder will be another cause for war.
I understand now that you were saying that, because of the war that will come between Martell and Lannister, that surely Trystane will be mentioned and we will get some answer.
Flayed Potatoes,
But you can practice enough to get it neat. Lol….
Imagination.
Also, maybe off screen he got Bronn to write for him. If Bronn can write.
heh, touché! My point was that they had plenty of time to get to Kings Landing: some time would have passed. (Indeed, I was wondering if they’d show us how they preserved bodies at sea: but that would have made poor old Myrcella look ghastly if they had basically pickled her!)
Or Trystane sent him the note once he got to harbor and could use a raven. Or the ship stopped part way and they sent a courier. Or they sent a courier from Kings Landing. Or one of the Dornish in Kings Landing heard the news and sent the letter. There are any number of ways this could have been done: it really should not be an issue.
(I do find it funny how on one hand, people assert that news from the far north should be broadly known rapidly, while others think that news from a major hub needs to be explained!)
Deesensfan,
There are a lot of parallels between Dany and Jon. Particularly they both seem to be connected to the AA prophecy (Mel calls it “Warrior of Light” in the show). So Jon’s rebirth through fire would be in line with that. However, even if that were to happen, it would be a one time magical event as he is not fire proof like Dany is.
That’s what I meant. Considering they are seemingly setting up a war between Dorne and the Crown, I imagine a subject that would come up would be the murder or disappearance of Trystane, the heir to Dorne.
Agreed!
Wimsey,
That book Linda wrote says ”there are only rumors on this [that people live longer in Ashai]”
Wimsey,
Yeah I know, Jon might very well be brought back just like Beric was. I was just thinking of other possibilities and what I would like to see happen 🙂 .
I think that the parallelism here is that Daeny is essentially “dead” in the eyes of the Dothraki and is being sent to Widow’s Purgatory. She can no more get up and join the living anymore than Jon can at this point. Both are going to need some fairly drastic (and hopefully established!) means of rejoining the living.
I suspect that the parallelism will continue in that once this is done, both of them are going to have an army of barbarians at their back for important near-future battles.
Wimsey,
Oh, I don’t need it to be explained. I didn’t even care when I watched it.
I am discussing this because people have been so fixated on the small and silly details, like this one. Though if Jamie did write it, I think its quite huge as Cersei would not have liked him to send a warning about Trystane.
ghost of winterfell,
I agree.
Vegodread,
If there is a fire, and R+L=J is true, Jon wouldn’t burn right?
Many Targaryens have burnt to death. Dany is a special thing, and perhaps the time she survived the fire was a special thing too (though it will probably happen this season again). Mind you, perhaps Jon is exactly the same kind of special thing, at least now.
That is Harald Karstark, god damn it Robb, why did you kill their Lord?
Also 3-Eyed Raven looks happy too, like Bran. 3-Eyed ravens eyes are red, like in the books right?
Karstark! Cool!
Another Yara pic? Where’s Euron?
Is Bloodraven going to look different outside of the visions?
Jack Bauer 24,
Patience, my friend. You will see him soon enough 🙂 I think he might be in this episode, not sure. 3 days left to find out!
Jack Bauer 24,
Pretty sure he’s meant to be a surprise. Considering his likely actions, you know?
Jack Bauer 24,
I think Euron was supposed to be more of a surprise (until it leaked). It’s possible these promo photos were staged before HBO acknowledged he would appear.
Karstark looks shifty AF. I don’t trust him.
I am so excited for Bran’s first vision this season! Seems to be a happy one with Bran and 3-Eyed Raven smiling. 😀
Connor,
ghost of winterfell,
Yeah, I know that already. My bad if it looked like I didn’t know lol. Do you think we will see
I wonder why they won’t show 3-Eyed Ravens real appearance under the tree in these images. A surprise maybe?
Wimsey,
Do you mean that viewers not “in the know” could suppose one of those options? Because if that’s what you meant, fine. But Jaime wrote the letter regardless. I agree it’s not necessary to spend time on it in-show, but HBO releasing it was clearly to show that extra information – it was Jaime. It wasn’t Trystane or some other Lord.
I’m liking the new Lord Karstark. Nice that they gave him a similar chain mail piece on his shoulders too.
Anyone else think the Karstarks are going to hand Rickon over to the Boltons?
That is the gift referred to in the episode breakdown.
I hope the new Three Eyed Raven keeps the same hairdo as in season 4, and the short hair is only for the flashbacks. It just looks like Sydow…
Shaun,
I think he will look different in real life, they haven’t showed him at all under the tree, so we will see on Sunday.
Connor,
Yes to both!
I think it will be left totally ambiguous as to whether Jon is revived by the Old Gods (Bran/BR) or Rh’llor (Mel). I have a theory Mel will try after her crisis of faith, at the same time Bran/BR do, as a result perhaps of their respective visions (ToJ and the flames). So end of ep 3, maybe ep 4.
H Y P E
Redxgod,
The gift is mentioned in the synopsis of the third episode. More likely to be Umber, I guess.
Connor,
You can see a glimpse of him in the preview for episode 2. Granted, one does not see very much,
It will be the Umbers, not the Karstarks. But otherwise, yes.
Connor,
We glimpse him in one of the trailers and this episode’s promo, in the cave, and it looks like he has his normal short hair.
Wimsey I apologise in advance for sounding rude and I really do enjoy your posts but I had to laugh reading this as you had the opportunity to use your two favourite phrases ‘Deus Ex Machina’ and ‘hanging the gun’ in the one response.
That must be a personal best of some sort? Apologies if this sounds offensive it just made me chuckle!
Sansas Tears will bring Jon back to life. It is known.
Christian81,
As long as it does not entail the sacrificing of Ghost anything else is kinda OK.
Luka Nieto,
Isn’t Greatjon still in charge? Why would he do that?
Wyllie,
It’s really hard to tell his appearance in that promo, it’s blurred out and cuts really quickly.
This. Also, She has a princess’s posture. I wish I could sit with my back straight like that.
Tycho Nestoris,
Luka Nieto,
Honestly, I don’t really care how he will look, he’s being played by Max von Sydow!!
Great to get a look at the Karstark fellow
Connor,
Exactly! I imagine a certain portion of the fandom won’t appreciate that… because he doesn’t look like a mummy with tree roots coming out of his empty eye sockets. The same with Euron, who in the show doesn’t look like… well, a stereotypical pirate.
Luka Nieto,
Remind me? Did Rob kill the Karstark or Umber banner men for trying to kill Jaime?
Connor,
Exactly!!
Redxgod,
Karstark
Wow, the updated photos are great, esp the one of Arya. She is in her zone, I think . I finally got around to reviewing Season 1. In the first episode, Arya finds a helmet and hides in a wagon when Robert and co come to visit Winterfell. I don’t remember seeing that the first time. Little scoundrel! Love it
Confused a bit by this thread…
Why does anyone want a big fire and a pyre? I don’t get it. We who want a Jon resurrection should hope it is private – only to be seen by a few special people hopefully in that room, plus/minus Tormund maybe? I mean, the less people that think he’s was dead, the less think he’s the devil or a wight or worse.
Whoo hoo! Look, Jon is alive! All TV people rejoice! Look ye on, Night’s Watch and Wildlings and Sansa/Theon and Brienne/Pod the Vale, the North and everyone else and their sister that people hope/want to witness this miracle!
And nobody instantly notices he doesn’t have blue eyes. Tormond cries out in horror, Wun Wun beats Jon back to death with a castle Black Gate barricade, Alister laughs, Sansa and Birenne cringe and share a look of pain. Edd says “Well that went as good as could be expected” and then Ghost takes out his throat… and then everyone just collectively battles to the death.
As far as I’m concerned, the birth of the Dragons was magical and protected Dany. Fire for anyone else and also Dany without that special magic moment fire means death. No fire, please no fire…
Wimsey,
LOTR has no character formation hence the reason I respect yet hate it. How can anyone think it has fleshed out characters? 🙂
Robb executed Lord Karstark, not for trying to kill Jaime, but for actually killing two Lannister hostages, who were just children.
Luka Nieto,
Redxgod,
OMG.
N O
I will stop watching if Ghost dies.
Arya will be the Game of Thrones Daredevil.
Nice to get confirmation that the man in the room with Roose and Ramsay is indeed Harald Karstark. No recruiting necessary for this one – it looks like he’s Team Bolton from the start.
Count me among those who appreciate that they gave him a chainmail piece in the same style as his father’s. It’s an instant visual association for the family. Despite all the well-deserved accolades they’ve received, the costuming department still doesn’t get enough love.
The other Northern Lords like “Boyce” (Cerwyn) and “Fletcher” (Manderly) seem likely to be one-offs, given that they only had one day of filming. Then again, there could be other Lords cast that we haven’t heard of. We heard nothing about Lyanna Mormont being cast until we saw Bear Island in the trailer and Liam Cunningham confirmed that she was the one Davos was speaking to.
Redxgod,
If Rickon’s with any Northern family, it will be the Umbers, not the Karstarks.
Please, just please, start with Bran’s flashback. It could be the perfect opening scene.
*cue GoT theme* Dun dun dudu dun dun dududun *cut to black* written by D&D, directed by whoever
*silence*
*cue sounds of a lively city, blacksmith hammering, etc etc*
*open on wide shot of Winterfell in spring, cue that pointy end theme that everyone loves*
*montage through daily Winterfell life*
etc etc.
The original casting call gives us clues why, and others leaks confirmed it:
dragonmcmx,
That would be a good way to start the episode.
Looks a lot like Von Sydow has red eyes. I noticed it in other stills too. Would suggest that they kept the albino-bit, which is awsome
dragonmcmx,
That sounds pretty great, actually.
Connor,
Sure, though I feel if he had long white hair, they might pop out (like the white short hair does). I’m not expecting him to look different tbh, although it’s not impossible that they might have changed a few things since season 4.
Luka Nieto,
Deesensfan,
The Lannisters have the faith militant to worry about this year. The sand snakes are assassins…using poison, espionage…not large scale military attacks.
I don’t see much else happening on the war front with Dorne any time soon. If Tommen dies I think it will be by someone different. Joffrey by the Tyrells, Myrcella by the Martells…Tommen should be some other family or the Faith militant.
But I don’t want Tommen to die…he likely has to for someone else to be king but it would be cool if he didn’t die…somehow.
Luka Nieto,
Euron has no eye-patch!!!!!!!! Sorry….
I agree though. This is Max von Sydow. I don’t want them to bother him with prosthetics
Let the bloody master do his job.
He could have pink hair for all I care..
Tycho Nestoris,
I don’t think it needs any suspension of disbelief, honestly. This doesn’t turn Smalljon into a villain, necessarily. An antagonist to our protagonists, sure. A villain? For what? As he sees it, he’s defending the North against the wildlings. Who knows, he may get guarantees from the wildlings that the Starks will be trated fairly. Or maybe he’s a villain after all… so what? Even considering him a minor character in the books is an overstatement.
Mihnea,
I mean, they could’ve given him a long wig with no much trouble. I just don’t care that much. The fact that we have Max von freaking Sydow in the show is already a big deal. I don’t care how he looks. He just needs to look Targaryen-ish, old and mysterious and wizardly, which he does.
Damphairintheshowplease!,
To me it looks more like bloodshot eyes than red iris…
Flayed Potatoes,
Maybe Bronn helped him with his penmanship, as well.
Tycho Nestoris,
Perhaps the Great Jon is betrayed by the Small Jon…and he gives up Rickon and helps the Boltons.
There must be some family that double-crosses the Boltons pre-battle though, right?
Luka Nieto,
He seems to work with the Boltons when in truth he’s serving the Starks (grudgingly accepting the deal with the wildlings) and is waiting for the right time to strike. Unfortunately, Ramsay discovers it and flays him (he’s one of the flayed men being burned), and forces his soldiers to fight for him anyway.
rhymeswithweak,
Spoilers.
Also
Tywin of the Hill,
I cant remember where we stand on whether Manderly was cast…I know the one casting call sounded like it could be for him…
Tywin of the Hill,
rhymeswithweak,
We won’t see the Greatjon, most likely, but I’m sure he’ll be mentioned and that Smalljon will explain his decision. There is a rough description of a scene in which he does so.
rhymeswithweak,
Yup there was a casting call for a character that seems to be Mandarly
He’ll be in 1 episode
rhymeswithweak,
It kinda has to be Manderly.
What I mean is, even if they change his identity to some other name and house (why?), it’s still essentially the same character with the same character beat, the revelation that he wasn’t the Crown’s cowardly lackey after all —which is what the casting call implied was the full extent of his character: he’s described as a fat, rugged Northern nobleman in his 60’s who has a stirring speech in which he unexpectedly shifts political allegiances. So Manderly or a Manderly equivalent will appear, I’m gonna guess in some sort of Northern gathering, perhaps in Bear Island. He’ll only appear in one episode, so I guess we can expect the “The North Remembers” bit, but not the other stuff (Frey Pies, etc).
#truth
I also don’ t think Jons corpse will end in fire. Perhaps Melisandre breaks her magical necklace , releases the power held inside to resurrect Jon, thus giving up all her magical power. She then still could live a few more weeks/months, Long enough to see herself on the walls of Winterfell..
Or in a kind of heaven the “Stranger” opens his book, sees Jons Name is not written in it and just sends him back..like in a romantic hollywood-movie…
Luka Nieto,
I bet my ass that Lyanna Mormont will get Mandarly’s speech.
Luka Nieto,
That’s exactly what I am thinking – the fire might be a consequence of that “forced undressing” / “touching-the-hot-brazier-with-your-bare-hands-to-show-the-Dosh-Kaleen-she-truly-IS-the-Unburned” scene, no Drogon involved 😉 .
Mihnea,
There was the casting call, however, interestingly there was
rhymeswithweak,
That’s true
So what are we going to see next of Ellaria and Co?
Nothing? Is that why we don’t see them in the trailers?
Mihnea,
I’ll just cover everything.
Your sarcasm meter needs adjusting my friend.
Except Lyanna Mormont is a little girl —not a fat, rugged old man, which is what the casting call asked for. A fat, old Northern nobleman will have a stirring speech in which he switches allegiances, we know that much, and it can’t be Karstark or Umber, as they had their own casting calls, and they’re younger and fitter. So it’s Wyman, or an equivalent, as there were no Manderly banners that we saw, so maybe it’s a Hornwood or the Lord from that house they invented (there is an unknown sigil with the Stark allies).
So, my spoiler filled friends? Is episode 2 going to be big?
HYPEEEEEEEEE
Deesensfan,
Not that much info on the early episodes, to be honest.
Luka Nieto,
Not Mandarly sorry. His daughters.( or grand daughter, the blue haired girl)
Deesensfan,
We don’t really know much more than you do tbh.
Luka Nieto,
Right, that’s it. That’s got to be Manderly giving a speech…and he’s switching alliances so it should be in a pivotal moment.
Uuuh, that would be great, wouldn’t it? They would need to change the speech a bit to fit the Mormonts, but Wylla Manderly’s speech is quite good:
She has dyed green hair, by the way, not blue 🙂
Mihnea,
the blue haired girl
Dragonmcmx,
Ah okay. Dig deeper guys!
JK
Dragonmcmx,
We know individual scenes but not really in what episode it will happen.
Luka Nieto,
Most likely, they’ve been using the fake names to misdirect, like they’ve done with the ToJ Kingsguard. Don’t you think?
Seems that way! I am sooooo excited for Bran and Max von Sydow as Bloodraven!! And the fight at Castle Black!! DEATH TO OLLY! 😀
Tycho Nestoris,
Green yes!
Luka Nieto,
I bet Lyanna gets a bit of that speech
Sullied by Knight,
“Fletcher” is surely a fake name, yes. That’s not why I doubt the Manderly-like character will be named Manderly. The reason is the lack of Manderly banners in all the footage.
Mihnea,
That would be pretty amazing 🙂
Deesensfan,
Honestly, most stoked for episode 3
Mihnea,
I cheated and went to the wiki cause I couldn’t remember either. I was thinking purple for some reason…
Yes, whats up with Manderly cast? Was ther not a talk that theres gonna be a scene with some (fat) northern lord doing some speech? I really hope he is not going to stand with the Boltons, especially after that brillaint speech of his before Davos. It would be better simply to cut him of than having him fight with Boltons. And if they kill Rickon too, im gonna go mad.
Tycho Nestoris,
I aint reading that, Butttttttt im excited too 😛 ahahaa
Connor,
YES!
Look at Thorne’s armor 😉
Tycho Nestoris,
Hehe. We all do that.
Just to much information to remember it all.
Mihnea,
Karstarks and Umbers and Bears oh my
Deesensfan,
It isn’t a spoiler but you won’t understand as it refers to a book moment, that hasn’t happened in the show.
Also unlikely to happen in my opinion.
Tycho Nestoris,
I think that’s the case, but I wouldn’t expect who you are expecting. I think Sansa will do the honors, in this case.
luca,
Yeap, I noticed the slash. So he survives the fight in Castle Black, right? At least for a while.
Deesensfan,
I really don’t know. I haven’t been a fan of the sand snakes in general.
The book had more going on in Dorne so I really don’t know which way that was going either. There are more characters and sub-plots. However…
Let’s wait until Dany invades westeros.
Mihnea,
Was talking about this episode. We don’t really know anything about it other than what the trailers and photos tell us.
Dragonmcmx,
We could get that
Mihnea,
We will, at least some of it. In the pictures Bran and the raven are at Winterfell.
rhymeswithweak,
Yeah I have heard that Dorne is completely different in the book.
But you made a good point that makes me think we may have seen the end of Dorne…
Deesensfan,
I think they’ll stay in the background as one more Lannister enemy. Dorne might ally with Dany, but she’s not getting to Westeros this season (I think).
Luka Nieto,
Finally after all this years
Get Hypeee
Had posted in another thread but think more appropriate here so repeating. Not sure if this is from HBO but posted on Xfinity.
A little different description for Ep2, “Home” on my TV –
“Bran trains under the guidance of the Three-Eyed Raven, Tommen gets advice from Jaime, Tyrion must get creative to find good news, Thorne has the support of the Night’s Watch, Balon Greyjoy hears several proposals, Ramsay comes up with a new plan.”
Was Thorne’s armor damaged like that in episode 1? I don’t remember…
Deesensfan,
Filming spoilers.
They 100% filmed more then 1 scene in Dorne.
Oh my god when will this Jon resurrected by fire end?!??
First of all EVEN DANY WASNT RESURRECTED BY FIRE. What on earth?!? She left the fire unburnt and birthed her dragons but SHE wasn’t dead. There is NOTHING on the show that shows that someone can be brought back from the dead by burning. If you’re so desperate for the parallel, Drogo was the dead one.
The only only only example of resurrection on the show was done for Beric. And if it wasn’t to show that resurrection was possible, what on earth was the point of that whole storyline?
Why is everyone acting like there have to be 10000% direct parallels with Dany? DANY is pure fire. The whole point of R+L is that Jon is ICE and fire. I don’t think he’s going to be reborn in a big old funeral pyre.
Mihnea,
IT makes sense because somebody will have to find his body and deliver the news to Jamie. So most probably there will be a reference. It will arise the question of who killed him and that will make Jaimie suspicious about the presence of SS in KL. So this cannot be omitted because it is essential with the presence of SS in KL and the danger they poise for Lannisters…
Assuming that the SS would like to make their presence in KL known to the Lannisters.
Mihnea,
Ahhh 😉
Yes, both of it – the latest episode 2 leak from the Freaky Surgeon confirmed it in great detail 😉 .
Don’t know if I remember this right – but didn’t the Greatjon in the books get captured by the Freys after the Red Wedding, and half of the Umbers supported Stannis, the other half the Boltons? This could very well also in the show be the reason how the Umbers are forced into cooperation… on the other hand, the Smalljon is dead in the books, so in the end we have truly no idea how they will do thisin the show…
I looked back at Thornes armor in episode 1 and it isn’t damaged like in the image above….
Luka Nieto,
I think Sansa will do the honors, in this case
I can live with that.
Wimsey,
Had you read the letter you would have known that Trystane could not write it. It has to be Jaime who send it and possibly he dictated it to somebody else who could write with a fine style.
Freaky Surgeon? Do you have a link to that? I looked it up and got nothing.
Tycho Nestoris,
Connor,
I think it was just a fake leak based on the information we got from the casting calls, which basically confirmed a Winterfell flashback.
Ohh, okay. Thanks!
Green Chili,
Yeah, what you mentioned happening in the books seems to ring a bell. Perhaps the Umbers could switch alliances from the Boltons…don’t think the Karstarks ever will now.
They didn’t introduce the Manderlys yet, right…doubt they will…some other family they mentioned could take that important speech. Did they mention Hornwood in the show?
Sister Kisser,
Davos wears gloves and has longclaw……
Connor,
Also, there were multiple reports of lots of wolves being filmed for Game of Thrones in some forest near the Riverrun set (an area which also houses other sets, such as the ship they use for every ship in the show, Harrenhal, Volantis, and other stuff).
There’s also WotW’s exclusive report that Arya would arrive back at the Riverlands by the end of this season. Again, what better moment to reunite with Nymeria.
I won’t call any of this “evidence”. That’s why I said clues. They’re not more than that. But personally, I believe we’ll see it happen.
rhymeswithweak,
Luka Nieto,
If they’re going to all of this trouble to hide the name of the Manderly-like character who gives the speech, don’t we think it is plausible they would hide the banner in previews for the show as well?!?
rhymeswithweak,
They didn’t name check them in episode yet but there was a Manderly at the Red Wedding and he was mentioned in the commentary. He had on the mermaid pin.
They didn’t hide the Umbers fighting for the Boltons. If anything, their sigil appears more prominently in the footage than the Bolton’s own sigil! And we also have a behind the scenes picture some extra took during filming, and there are no Manderly banners there: only Stark, Hornwood, Mormont, and a blue and white banner with yellow dots they seemingly invented for the show.
Luka Nieto,
Here’s hoping it does!
Maybe I missed the comment but anyone catch the blood on the railing? looks fresh… this is in regards to Thornes picture.
I want to marry Yara and or Gilly.
Let me be more clear: I do not want to preside over Yara and Gilly’s nuptials. I want to engage in intercourse with them. And if saying “I do” gets me in their trousers, well. So be it.
Rygar,
at least youre honest
I wonder if Karstark is bringing the “gift” but it’s more news than anything? That Jon is dead? Would make him think that Sansa has nowhere to go?
Love Arya’s pic. She’s in action, she has that look of rage on her face that we know means someone is going to pay for enraging her. Finally! At least we know she isn’t going to sit by for too much longer and let the Waif molest her some more. I’m so tired of seeing Arya being struck and slapped.
The rest of the pics, no action. They look like studio stills. Why is Tommen sitting so sedately? I’d expect him to be raging around the room – this is an Episode 2 shot, right? Margaery isn’t out of the dungeon yet. Oh well, boy king doesn’t want to make the mistakes his big brother did, so he becomes the polar opposite. Not a good move.
Yara has aged. Thorne doesn’t look as certain about his decisions as he did in Ep 1. I hope Davos straightens him out quickly – better yet, Wun Wun.
Perhaps Obara and Nym were sent to dispatch Trystane on their way to Essos? I would not be surprised if they end up in Meereen by end of season/beginning of season 7. That would be interesting given what we know about
Laura,
Considering how many characters are uniting and reuniting, regardless of the details I’m sure the myriad of disparate storylines we have now will be divided in only three by the end of the season: North, South and (briefly) East. Dorne will be directly involved with the King’s Landing plot at last, and Dany will be incoming, so by season seven I expect there to be just two storylines: the fight for the throne among the southern houses and Dany, and the fight for the whole realm up North, against the White Walkers. Will there be any relevant character isolated by then? Arya should be back. Sam probably too, once he learns what he needs.
As I’m looking at the updated photos I starting to hope that if Tommen dies this season it’s not in a violent bloody way. I feel a bit bad for the poor kid. He’s a good natured person (rare on Thrones) and it would be more emotional for the viewers I think if he went out like Myrcella.
Aryamad,
As part of Cersei’s prophecy, he will die. Poor Tommen, he is kind hearted, like Myrcella, and certainly didn’t (wont) deserve their fate…. unlike Joffrey lol.
I agree, I hope it is not violent.
Luka Nieto,
hey, here in Croatia we have a website contest, got predictions, pubished by HBO for every episode. For 2nd episode we have 3 questions. https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/13054552_10209896363470714_1032765358_o.png?oh=53319c6a21ea30de307635ccb368a62c&oe=5723ADC5
1.Will Arya get her sight back? Y N
2.Will Mellisandre help Davoy run from Castle black? Y N
3.Will Tommen forgive and make peace with his Mother? Y N
All questions are related only for episode 2. So what do you think??
That would mean Cersei’s three children die of poison, which would be interesting, if a tad repetitive. Personally, I think Tommen (and Loras) will die protecting Margaery, when Cersei becomes so desperate she sends FrankenGregor to kill the queen.
Looking at the picture and the promo, I think Small Council will advice Tommen againts his own mother. This gonna be interesting
Luka Nieto,
If anything, I am SO curious on how or what will get Arya back to Westeros, and how she will tie into the end game.
Laura,
So, when Dany and her considerable army(s) cross the sea, will she be doing it to fight the Lannisters for the Iron Throne or will she be doing it to fight the dead and save the realm?
HYPE. It is known.
Also:
“Queen you shall be… until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear”
If this statement from the prophecy is referring to Dany, what is Cersei going to have remaining that’s “dear” to her? assuming all three of her children are gone at the time.
Laura,
Snakes barbecue. Get Hype!
JohnnyLaw,
Lol!
Hype!
Luka Nieto,
Cersei’s main obsession (in the books, anyway) is not her children, but power and status. Her thirst for power is her #1 priority, and always has been. So the YMBQ (assuming the Q is a requirement, which people have queried) will take her power, one imagines.
Babeko,
That’s a good guess! Looking forward to scenes with the new small council 🙂
Hrvoje,
My guesses would be 1) Perhaps, though I believe episode 3 is more likely; 2) No; and 3) No. I like Babeko’s prediction that Kevan will convince Tommen he can’t trust Cersei.
JohnnyLaw,
Her intentions will be to dethrone the Lannisters, I believe, but she’ll find the city in ruins already at Cersei’s hands, with winter having arrived soon before; and then she’ll be made aware of the threat up North.
Sean C.,
I think Sam may abandon Oldtown to return North by the end of this season. As for the Riverlands, I considered it part of the southern plot, as it regards the war of the five kings more than the conflict beyond the wall.
Sean C.,
Oh, interesting – that would make sense for book Cersei.
But for show Cersei, I don’t see it.
Yes, I absolutely agree the old woman we see is the old version of Melisandre, not someone else. Otherwise, as you said, why would they use the age make up on Carice? The fact you see it’s obviously the Melisandre’s eyes even as the old lady clearly points to it being an older version of the same person. As far as having different movement and posture, I think it would be a pretty shitty glamour if all it did was make her look young, but she still moved and sounded like an old woman. A complete glamour would include moving differently and sounding different.
Luka Nieto,
What’s interesting is that Tommen already *almost* died of poison, at Blackwater.
Sean C.,
Deesensfan,
We would have heard Ghost like we did in the first episode. It was a big question mark at the end of last season because it didn’t any make sense & still doesn’t. It’s annoying to invest in speculation when they are apparently just making it up as they go along.
gag22,
You sound like a member of the Illiterati. It was established in the show multiple times that direwolves can sense friends & foes. I don’t understand why Ghost was caged in the first place. He should’ve been in Jon’s chamber as usual.
Yaga,
Luka Nieto,
I can sort of see that. But I think early Season 7 in the Riverlands will be a constellation of characters coming together to defeat the Freys, different enough from events in KL to be considered a separate story (though certain character crossovers can be expected; one imagines Jaime will have to go do his duty in Cersei’s story at some point).
Luka Nieto,
Oh, by the way. I guess we know who that banner belongs to already! That’s House Mazin, named after that guy who told DnD to redo the pilot. ?Apparently he was in S5 already – Jon sent him a letter or received one from them or something like this.
Luka Nieto,
I think you may be right regarding Dany’s intentions . . . While Lannister hold on King’s Landing may be tenuous at that point, I can’t believe that Cersei will turn it to physical “ruins.”
I also think Euron is a wild-card. I can easily envision a double-cross…
Ooh, that’s an exciting prospect. I never really thought the show would contract that quickly but you’re right, it is inevitable. I guess Bran will be the only one physically far from everyone else but obviously he will be “tuned in” to everything going on. I see 4 main areas going forward – The North (Winterfell north, not Wall north), The Riverlands, King’s Landing and Meereen. I think Dany’s first foray into Westeros will be Dragonstone and it might be there that she finds out the Iron Throne is worth about as much as Pycelle’s chamber pot.
But yeah, after this season, I would bet we are done with The Iron Islands, The Vale, and Dorne (mostly) for good. We may check in with Ellaria/Tyene in Dorne occasionally but not too much.
Sean C.,
For some reason, I don’t feel so. But maybe you’re correct. Five, then. ?
Wimsey,
Oh, ok, now there are safe places outside the cave.
Rygritte,
If he was with Jon, he would have tried to fight off the attack and probably would have died in the process, or we would have a different story, and an alive Jon snow.
And the argument that he was caged is probably that the NW members committing treason locked him up.
Not so difficult to speculate. We don’t need every single detail spelt out for us.
Okay a wolf howling at the end of S5EP10 would have been nice but not necessary.
Sean C.,
I think the Frey plot will be resolved this season, in the last episode.
Yaga,
Oh, that’s interesting. House Mazin is an homage to a friend of D&D, so it’s curious they’re appearing as anything more than that little wink in season five. How do we know that new banner is from House Mazin? Was it part of the spoilers from that extra in the battle who leaked lots of stuff?
Talking about Dorne, yes, DORNE lol.
kidding.. I would love to see Quentyn introduced to the show, and what better way than to invade Dorne and kill Ellaria and the snakes because the bitches went mad lol.
Rygritte,
Ghost was where we saw him before.
He was never in Jon’s chambers. Never.
We saw him in the yard and during the battle in S4 he was in his pen.
BloodyAl,
whos quentyn?
I think they are done bringing new people to Dorne lol
BloodyAl,
God please no.
Thankfully It’s safe to assume he was cut. He would have been mentioned if he existed.
Deesensfan,
A very stupid young boy. He isn’t in the show.
RJ,
Could someone please list all the Northern house banner that are seen in the trailers? I think it will be Manderly though, because White Harbour was mentioned randomly in one of the last episodes of season 5. One of those two guys who tried to rape Gilly sais: ‘Even in White Harbour, I’d want a kiss.’ Seems very pushed in, as if they really wanted White harbour to be in our minds. I’m very curious how many Northern representatives we will actually see. We know about Harald of House Karstark, Smalljon of House Umber, Lyanna of House Mormont, probably Wyman of House Manderly, probably the new Lord Cerwyn (The Young lord who was cast), but people also mention Hornwood banners, so maybe a Hornwood representative too, or maybe Glover?
he is the second son of Doran.
yeah, lets just pretend it was a bad dream hahaha.
Luka Nieto,
Hm! I didn’t think of that… Tommen dying by The Mountain’s sword. That would definitely be interesting and pretty tragic.
Luka Nieto,
I think that one of the Reddit spoiler guys said so, yes. Can’t give you a link, but I’m willing to accept this as the truth – why else would we get a banner we can’t recognise?
Mihnea,
Jon was LC in S5. Prior to that, Alliser told him to lock him up. He wasn’t locked up when Jon went to Hardhome.
Rygritte,
And Jon was in his office, not his chambers?
Mihnea,
Season 2 scene with the wight, he was with Jon in his bedroom. But that’s it.
There is NO reason for some one to say he HAS to be with Jon. Jon didn’t even take him to Hardhome
He is the first son of Doran, the second child. Arianne was his first child. Trystane was the second son and last child.
Luka Nieto,
If there is a Red Wedding 2.0, that’s where I expect to see him.
BloodyAl,
second son of Doran.
Luka Nieto,
Just like in Tangled! Tears heal! 😛
Thronetender,
In the preview, we seen what appears to be Jaqen’s hand (you can see the sleeve of his robe) grab her stick before she hits the Waif again.
I am seriously intrigued by this photo of Sansa in a dark room looking surprised about something or someone, I can make out a face with a beard just barely in the direction she is looking at on the left of the screen, why does it have to be so dark!
http://i.imgur.com/Geex92Q.jpg
Ghosts Lunch,
Me too.. I love his story line
Rygar,
Balon is entertaining proposals. You should have tried out.
I feel like she is seeing one of her brothers in that image. But I could be way off.
if I’m not mistaken Thorne doesn’t have his sword by his side, he had it in every scene in episode 1, so you are probably right that he is a prisoner..
rhymeswithweak,
he’s toast, the prophecy says cersei will see him in his golden shroud, so he has to die before she does and as the only thing she has ever had on an alliance she’s got the long term prospects of a snowball in a volcano
Thank you for the clarification, I didn´t know that hahaha.
Luka Nieto,
I, too, believe that Cersei will inadvertently cause Tommen’s death and that will put her completely out of her mind.
Laura,
Maybe she’s watching Jon be rezzed. Do you see a pyre in the reflection of her eyes. 😉
I totally think is Jon, I see a beard right there though is dark af.
Sullied by Knight,
I still think she’ll kill him on purpose. As in, she’ll be in a situation where she’ll have to make a choice: Tommen or power… and she’ll choose power.
Game of Thrones 52: Home
TVMA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Violence
No graphic violence?
Sullied by Knight,
Just like Cersei caused the deaths of her two other children
Yaga,
I still think she’ll kill him on purpose.
She was close once before…although not for power.
gag22,
To gag22:
Why don’t you get to h–l off this website, Gag a Maggot!!?? Make your point with courtesy, not put-downs!!
Sean C.,
In the second trailer we see the Freys and Lannisters celebrating in the Twins, with no main character in sight. What could that scene be if it’s not what we’re speculating here? And will Arya just arrive and… do nothing?
btw, in your opinion which scene would you like the most to be the final scene of the Season, before credits?
I would love to see that scene of Walder Frey and the Lannisters soldiers celebrating (probably for their victory on the siege of Riverrun), and later that scene to be turn on the fookin revenge that we so desperately want to see… with House Tully and Brynden, Stark, Manderly please, other Northern houses loyalists, the Brotherhood without Banners (hopefully with LadyStoneheart), Arya (since she is expected to return to Westeros this season, and specifically the Riverlands), Nymeria and the wolfpack.. and just destroying them all.
And Walder Frey being killed by Arya, with a “The Starks send their regard” or “The North has always remembered”
Oh man, bloody vengeance.
Luka Nieto,
For all we know, Jaime’s there, just not on camera in the brief shots we get.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
The “Violence” label covers plenty. Swords, stabbings, beatings, you name it. Basically anything that doesn’t involve copious amounts of blood being shown. “Graphic Violence” refers to images like Trystane being speared through the back of the head or Oberyn’s skull being crushed.
So something like the wildlings attacking Castle Black and killing members of Thorne’s forces would be fine with just the “Violence” warning. We’re just not likely to see Wun Wun crushing Olly or the other mutineers into a pile of blood and viscera.
Tycho Nestoris,
Yes, exactly my point! And in a Martin episode, too. Having the situation repeat itself, but with a different outcome, would show how much she has changed. (For the worse, obviously.)
Yaga,
Why would she do this? It makes no sense at all. The show has made it so obvious that her power kick is her family. She has now lost two children, her father and she herself has been publicly humiliated. In the last episode we saw her to show signs of remorse and almost blaming her own actions via a reference to the prophecy. Why would she risk Tommen’s life for the shake of power and why would she go against the inevitability of a prophecy which has been fullfilled 60% only to avenge Margaery? All the clips we have seen so far show Cersei against Faith Militant. With Margaery still in prison and Tommen utterly distressed by this fact I don’t think that Cersei will risk to fester this wound. On the contrary I do believe as others have already said that there would be a conflict between Cersei and Tommen about her role as Queen Mother. If Tommen gets killed it would be from her desperate efforts to save him but certainly not on purpose.
I’m so pumped for the next episode, get to see the remaining storylines and also the Greyjoys! I hope the Greyjoy storyline will be one of those that just works well on screen, the chemistry between the actors is strong, etc. At this point, if we get more arcs that are good most of the time, then it’s a win. Lets hope the Dornish revolution starts to make some sense.
Kit Hairyton,
I think it’s Jon 😀 😀 lol just guessing,
Though I hope it is him though….
BloodyAl,
which scene would you like the most to be the final scene of the Season
I think Tommen is going to die this year too. Heck a Tyrell might do it, Marg, Loras or Olenna, after all Cersei has done to them.
Basically there are a lot of options that all point to the king not being long for this world.
I do think Cersei will do something (if not kill her only son) that will be so over the line Jaime can’t stand by her anymore. Or maybe I just hope. 🙂
dothrakian raven,
Mostly speculation, still covering:
I’m a horrible person to envision such thought processes, I know.
Sullied by Knight,
i’ve checked both thorne and edd of any signs of fire edd possibly has a person reflected in his pupils, thorne has nothing in his and they’re lit from their right so not looking directly a ta fire
I guess you read my thoughts. That was the scene I was worried about. You’re probably right though…. However, Wun Wun crushing Olly into a pile of blood, wouldn’t that be a sight?
Darjan,
re Greyjoys
Aye! Ready to test me ole sea legs! Bring on the salt!
Thorne has a cut in his armor, so he survives the fight?
Roberta Baratheon,
He’s not really there. He isn’t wearing those clothes. Yeesh.
Sean C.,
I think Ayra will join the acting troupe that has been cast to share a ride on their ship…my guess
Jack Bauer 24,
I checked to see if he had that cut in his armor in episode 1 and he doesn’t..
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TVMA: Adult Content, Adult Language, Brief Nudity, Violence
Brief Nudity? The first time I see this one
Jack Bauer 24,
Maybe he’s a wight.
Yaga,
It still doesn’t make sense to do it on purpose when the show has made it so clear that she would burn cities to the ground for the sake of her children and her family… If Tommen dies it would be her blindness and not by her will to kill him all let him be killed.
How long is Sunday’s episode?
I know I have asked before. Sorry/
Power,
And where have we seen acting groups perform? Yes, weddings…and Walder Frey seems to be enjoying some entertainment of some sort at the head table.
54 mins
Joffrey’s Cunt,
4 more minutes than the premiere?? YES!!!!
Deesensfan,
8 minutes longer actually.
I’m pretty sure Olly and Thorne won’t die before Jon’s resurrection.
Jane Taylor,
He is actually. Look again in the Episode 2 promo, he appears to be wearing some proper fancy stuff when we see him waking up in the cave.
dragonmcmx,
No, the Episode was 50 minutes without the recap. It’s 4 minutes longer.
It is an improvement!
Pounce,
I may be in the minority but I don’t like the recap. I’d rather a prologue>credits>episode.
Actually, just give me the opening credits for an hour on loop and I’ll be good haha
Joffrey’s Cunt,
A lot can happen in 4 minutes!!!!
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Hoyti Von Totiy,
Gah! LSH is the stuff of nightmares…
My torrented copy doesn’t have the recap and is 46 minutes long with intro and credits.
EDIT: Just rechecked, you’re right. Somehow it was stuck in my mind that it was 46, but it’s 49, almost 50.
Tycho Nestoris,
I totally agree. That Tywin scene though…
Hoyti Von Totiy,
He can interact with the past as in talk to people?
Pounce,
Did I miss a Tywin scene? Why don’t I know what you’re ref’ing? Tell me haha!
Joffrey’s Cunt,
Possibly Dany getting stripped by the Dosh Khaleen, going by the trailer.
Deesensfan,
So true but it’s my co-workers/bosses fault. None of them watch the show! I took part in an intern interview last week and only asked one question. He’s a college student so his answer was “of course I watch” GOT!
“Why does it have to be so dark?” Because they don’t want us to see that it’s Jon Snow! That’s my story and I’m sticking to it. 🙂
But, seriously, it does look a lot like him. The guy Sansa’s talking to is shorter than her, has a dark beard, and dark hair – possibly pulled back in a bun. I don’t think it’s Davos. Though it could be another lord at the Bear Island parlay.
I think by the time the season’s over, we’ll be surprised by how many times not-dead-Jon was actually in the trailers.
Jane Taylor,
LOL – that’s awesome. Had he said no, I wouldn’t have hired him hahaha
nobody on my floor watches GOT
Though I have convinced one to start, he is currently on the wire, also a show I have convinced him to watch.
Tycho Nestoris,
I’m talking about the cold open in Season 4. I miss the pre-intro scenes, that one in particular was perfection.
Pounce,
I think he was referring to the “previously on” that occur before the credits.
The pre intro scenes were uncommon, and I liked those.
Pounce,
Oh when he melted Ice. Yeah that was epic. I also miss those kind of scenes.
The “previously on” recap should have been retired with the original master of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAkL2-vh2Sk
Wun Wun still could stomp Olly, but as long as there isn’t a close up of Squished Olly, it wouldn’t necessarily be “graphic violence,” just plain old violence.
Yeah, I kinda want to see Wun Wun squish that little fucker.
Olly Pancakes for everyone!!!
He looks like a prisoner to me. He has a cut in his armour that he didn’t have before, there is what looks like blood on the post beside him, his arms arent visible – hands tied behind his back maybe? – and he has an expression on his face which says ‘Oh sh*t’
All this talk about Thorne’s torn armor made me go re-watch 6×01 to see if I could notice anything. I can’t tell if it was already torn because his sword belt covers that part of the armor. Though I wonder where is the sword belt and sword in this picture?? Thorne was definitely wearing both throughout the premiere. Could this be after the showdown and he’s now a prisoner and therefore been disarmed? But, then, why isn’t Edd wearing his sword if he’s part of the winning side? Hmmm.
I think your onto something about the solution being under our noses. Jon is the child of ice and fire, Mel says her magic is stronger at the Wall. She is fire, the Wall is ice. So I wonder.
For true Stark followers this is the item
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ERC3PWQ/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=sl1&tag=dangeminds-20&linkId=505495ef501f077298b41593163ad66f
I am sorry I couldn’t resist!
as i wrote already: here in Croatia we have a website contest, got predictions, pubished by HBO for every episode. For 2nd episode we have 3 questions. https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t35.0-12/13054552_10209896363470714_1032765358_o.png?oh=53319c6a21ea30de307635ccb368a62c&oe=5723ADC5
1.Will Arya get her sight back? Y N
2.Will Mellisandre help Davoy run from Castle black? Y N
3.Will Tommen forgive and make peace with his Mother? Y N
All questions are related only for episode 2, by HBO. So what do you think??
So what if Davos really leave Castle Black next episode and unite with Sansa, and Melisandre helps with things on Castle Black…
MCH,
I’ve held for quite a while the possibility somehow Bran and BR will be involved in Jon coming back. Some of that simply stems from feeling it being only Melisandre would just be too obvious, and what seems obvious is not always the case, so I tried to think of different possibilities. The only other possibility which seems plausible to me involves Bran and BR. How, I don’t know, but I do think it possible.
I don’t think we’ll see Dany this episode
hahah I’m all for it
Deesensfan,
What about the wight from Season 1?
He was south of the wall when he rose and the Night’s King hadn’t even been introduced yet. All the theories based on this idea are bunk. Its like the whole Jon won’t burn on the pyre thing. We clearly see him burn the crap out of his hand with the lantern he uses to kill the aforementioned wight. A lot of people are fudging facts to support their theories. I get why but it doesn’t make them one iota more valid.
I really think Jon isn’t coming back.
Nevermind I was thinking about this sunday’s episode.
Couldn’t edit it on time.
You’re probably right
MCH,
i suspect, john will be put on a pyre after the battle, but mel will see a vision in the flames, contrive for olly to be burned and john stands up. lets face it they’re going to milk it for all it’s worth.
though it’s also possible it could be something from the old gods, despite people saying they haven’t resurrected anyone before this doesn’t mean they can’t, resurrection is established as possible, the old gods remain largely undefined
Joffrey’s Cunt,
If Daenerys is going to have the bbq in ep.4 she has to be in each and every episode until that moment.
I tried to google it too, but failed to find anything interesting.
dothrakian raven,
Why? There are already way too many storylines per episode. She can take a break for episode two and take center stage in episodes three and four, alongside the Northern storyline, right?
Jerkface,
What about the wight from Season 1? He was south of the wall when he rose and the Night’s King hadn’t even been introduced yet.
Maybe I am misunderstanding the point you are making but that wight was brought across the wall by the NW. I believe he was resurrected prior, then the NW brought him across. Apologies, if I misunderstood your point.
Tycho Nestoris,
Exactly. He already had the blue eyes and all the wight features, which Sam describes in the scene.
Luka Nieto,
Now I am wondering….
Luka Nieto,
Uuh, if you look closely in the trailer where you see a brief shot of him connected to the three and you zoom in, you can actually see he has long hair and a beard. It’s a good idea to see him like his “healthy” self, like Bran, in visions.
Babeko,
Oh I hope so. The show’s been so busy showing the Cersei-High Sparrow-Tyrell drama that they’ve not been able to show that Kevan and Pycelle are now essentially running things through Tommen. Looks like we get to see that here, good. I do wonder whether Olenna will be a part of this (and what role she’ll play in general this season)
Thus far, they have always stuck to story over “milking it.” Jon will have some important arc this year (probably akin to Daeny’s), and they will need to start it soon. Moreover, this is not something that can be “milked”: the audience will quickly grow tired of drawing this out as it will postpone the actual story (whatever that is this year).
Good storytelling defines the properties of important plot items before they become important. When people criticize a story for Deus ex Machina, they are criticizing it for doing what you are saying is OK. One of the things that has distinguished SoI&F from most epic fantasy is the lack of DeM: GRRM (and even more so B&W) have been assiduous about hanging guns before firing them and (insofar as we can see) firing the guns that they hang.
Let’s put it another way: we have zero evidence that GRRM imagines that his Old Gods can do this. Why bet on something for which there is zero evidence happening over something for which we have proof?
(And, no, it won’t be that obvious: it was done only once 3 years ago, and unless they remind the viewers of it, most of them will not remember it any better than you or I remember small details from TV shows we watched 3 years ago.)
The fact that Aemon was cremated quite easily shows that Targaryens do burn. Of course, some fans used Viserys’ death as evidence that he was not really a Targaryen. But even Daeny burns: her hands were burned both on the show and in the books as a result of Drogon.
Why would he suspect them per se? Why not the Faceless Men or some other assassins? Oh, Jaime probably will figure out that Ellaria was behind it: but there are any number of ways that she could have done it.
At any rate, I doubt that the SS are going to hang out in Kings Landing. Hell, they might just take the ship and go home. Or they might ride back. With luck, they just cauterized the Dornish plotline so that we won’t have to see much more of it beyond them throwing their lot in with Daenrys.
The Cersei-Tyrell stuff is a big part of the story. Who is running Kings Landing is a trivial detail that’s not really important even to the plot so far. If it becomes important to the plot, then it will be made clear: but it might not ever do so.
Wimsey,
Dany’s hands never burned in the show.
dothrakian raven,
Ha!
Did you just advise Wimsey not to knock Lord of the Rings? Wait for it…..wait for it…..
*rolls on floor laughing my stupid ass off*
If I wanted to know something about Lord of the Rings, there is no better expert on these boards like Wimsey. Pffffft. I think you just read him wrong. But thanks for the laugh.
I’m EFFIN greedy I want Wyla’s speech too!
It is one of my favorite books. However, LotR is kind of my “one off” on that genre: it’s the only story of that sort that I like at all. (That has not stopped me from reading Tolkien’s letters, the Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales and all 99 volumes of the History of Middle-earth series; hell, I would have read Scribbles in Tolkien’s Mathbook if it existed!)
However, I do find it funny how people take offense when it is pointed out that there is no character development in Lord of the Rings, or how the story ultimately relies on Deus ex Machina devices when Tolkien himself was quite open about his dislike of character development and stories with protagonists, and why his concept of “eucatastrophe” (= what most of us call Deus ex Machina) was important.
Episode 2 wasn’t leaked right ?
I might have seen a certain image from episode 2 being paraded around on a Facebook comment section.
Wimsey,
I’m not saying it’s a big part of the story, obviously. But who’s in control, and who’s the Hand of the King, has always been (and should remain, I would argue) part of this story.
BloodyAl,
Quentyn is just as trash as the Sand Snakes,i feel personally insulted that you even brought him up .
Matthew The Dragon Knight,
Nope. I and really hope it stays that way. Luckily my weekend will be too busy to see spoilers even if there are any!
Matthew The Dragon Knight,
I haven’t seen any leaks, no. What did you see? It could be from something already released.
Dutch Maester,
I think I know the shot you mean. I see short hair and no beard… but the quality isn’t that good.
Luka Nieto,
Yes, she could but I think that we need to get closer to the new Dothraki characters, we need to see a bit of the life in Daes Dothrak and Daenerys will need to have time to get acquainted and interact with them. If she misses one episode then everything will be so rushed because it means that she will be saved by Drogon as soon as she arrives there.
Joffrey’s Cunt,
No,it wouldn’t,i never got the Olly hate and still don’t,i first thought that it was a running joke but for some reason people even took it as far as threatening the real life actor . Thorne has more of a reason of hatred .
Luka Nieto,
Look at your own risk, I don’t know if it’s legit.
Matthew The Dragon Knight,
I’ve seen that one floating around for days. I’m pretty sure it is fake.
Dutch Maester,
Yes, we could have had a scene with the small council in the opening episode. Just a meeting with those who are in the council. They had the time to insert it in that short episode and it would have felt natural.
dothrakian raven,
Hm… I don’t think so. She arrives to Vaes Dothrak in episode three, we know that much because of the clip that was released. Then she will get introduced to the crones and the khals in that episode, I assume, and in episode four, probably as the climax, the whole thing will be resolved. Is that really too little time?
Matthew The Dragon Knight,
A link? With a good eye for shittily edited images it’s easy to tell if it’s a fake.
Matthew The Dragon Knight,
That’s an edited image. Her scene with him from 504 flipped on its side.
Luka Nieto,
No beard? Maybe I’m just seeing things, but yeah it’s hard to tell for sure.
4 minutes of Tyene and Bronn talking about bad pussy 😀 (I am just kidding)
Kit Hairyton,
It could be him. He has different hairstyle like Ned and beard. It very well might be him.
Because the Faceless Men are incredibly expensive, and the most likely people to have killed Trystane for Ellaria are the people Jaime has already seen are her hatchet-women. Regardless, even if he believed it might be other Dornish agents, that would still mean he’d have to be on guard for other murderous Dornish agents in the city.
Why? Doran is sending them to KL to undermine the Lannisters in the book.
THIS x 1,000
Yes, I was going to point this out. I imagine the Sand Snakes will stay in King’s Landing and fuck shit up.
Greenjones,
Oh ok
I was worried for a second XD
Yea, I must admit that I’ve considered the possibility of D&D faking out the audience by burning “Jon’s corpse” therefore making the audience think he’s irrevocably dead, and then introducing him later as a surprise; it would be the Mance glamour plot from the books, but in the show instead Mel glamours a different body to look like Jon, not Mance. I don’t think it’s impossible they might do this, after all, they have already introduced the Mel glamour thing in the show…
Connor,
I doubt we’ll ever know since indoor scenes are dark af. It’s ridiculous to sink so much money into this special series and make it so dark that I can’t even see what’s happening with the lights off and the curtains closed. Stills that get posted are basically black pictures, and yes, I’ve adjusted my settings.
Sorry wrong quotation with my comment above.
Because this gun was never hung. How could he think of the FM when he just came from Dorne with a poisoned daughter and why would he think that the FM are the culprits? What evidence or clue does Jaimie, as a character, has that such an assumption from his part would make sense and most of all would make sense to the viewers?
Yep, especially since Martin has already said
Side note: Is anyone else getting signed out? I’ve had to “log in” quite a few times today, and that doesn’t usually happen unless I close my browser.
that would be a really stupid idea:/ thats why I think they are actually going to do something like this:/
Dragging out his come back is a bad idea. People are highly anticipating this, and most people dont believe this “he is dead” talk they always do, so skip over this fast and bring him back earlier.
To date, it has been important to both the stories and the plots. However, if it is not important to the stories and/or plots, then it should not be an issue. If it is, then it should be. Personally, I would expect that it probably will be: but as I have not read Winter, I am not 100% sure!
I’ve had the same problem.
Is it confirmed that she arrives at Vaes Dothrak at ep. 3? In that case I think it is not enough time. My main objection to the first episode was its 50 mins so yes I think they can expand the VD a few more scenes with all the khals and wives and Jorah+Daario before E4.
Wimsey,
Hard to argue with that XD.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Me!
Yes.
Sorry it’s happening to others, as well, although at least it lets me know it isn’t just me, or my system.
Luka Nieto,
The question is with whom are they going to interact. I have no problems with them in KL but it remains to be seen if one of them will be part of the SC or if they will be lurking in the streets of KL or what is the plan. The one thing is that Indira Varma is for a reason in A list of the cast so we will see her at least in four episodes and since the 2 SS are in KL we will have a few scenes with them especially if they interact with other known KL characters.
Exactly.
I doubt they could. That’s why Alliser told Jon to lock him up.
Luka Nieto,
Didn’t Jon’s hand get burnt when he tossed the flaming drapes onto the wight in Mormont’s room?
Luka Nieto,
Amen
I think it might be Jon with his hair pulled back. But who knows.
Lord Manderly and his speech might be turned into House Mazin in the show.
Darkrobin,
I loved the way it twitched in the books.
Wimsey,
Other than now is the time that we start to learn about the old gods, we really actually know very little about them, they remain mysterious and undefined, we’ve only also had little information on the children of the forest, they remain largely mysterious. I’d agree that they can’t drag a resolution to what happens next to johns body on for too long episode number wise, but I’d not put it beyond possibility that they will milk it right down to the point its on an unlit pyre at least
The Wall currently has magic that protects the parts South of the Wall against reanimation. Everyone North of the Wall can be reanimated as a wight upon death. In season 1 the corpses that are reanimated are killed and found North of the the Wall. The Nights Watch brings those corpses into Castle Black. Those Nights Watch members died North of the Wall, thus they were reanimated. Jon died South of the Wall so he can not be reanimated as a wight at the moment. The spell of the Wall would need to be broken.
Jon did burn his hand but that does not say much. His resurrection on a pyre can still be a one time magical event. I am not sure that this will happen, but if it does happen it would still make sense.
After seeing that pic of Ellie, if Bran doesn’t take notice of Merra, he’s a fool, after all, book Bran is the most intelligent of the Stark kids.
Tomorrow we get the runtime for the big episode 9. Should be interesting.
Does anyone else think that Bran will take interest in Meera at all?
Can’t believe it’s been almost two years since we’ve seen Bran. His last scene was June ’14.
Last season, when Jamie was writing a letter while in Dorne, Ellaria mentioned that his handwriting looked like a child’s. He told her that the Maester offered to copy it for him. So that’s probably what happened here, someone copied it for him.
Connor,
Queen in the North.
Of course, the Faceless Men are a hung gun: we’ve gotten them in droves! But that is besides the point: Jaime is going to know that the culprit is Ellaria. And it’s obvious how she did it: assassins. Who the assassins are is not terribly important.
It is not as if identifying the Sand Snakes as the killers and then eliminating them lessens the danger any. Moreover, given that Jaime has the High Sparrow, the Tyrells, Dorne in general, and, of course, stopping Cersei from doing anything too idiotic, the season should be packed enough: I seriously doubt that they’ll spend any time unraveling this “mystery.”
Jerkface,
He was probably turned into a wight prior to getting south of the wall
And I hope you’re wrong about Jon, jerk face . Hahaha
Tim of House Deddings,
Hahaha surely the show will lose all their viewers – except me.
Sean C.,
How do you log in here?
I have my details in – name and email but I don’t usually log in?
It’s been happening to me also where I have to renter my details every time I comment
This is true, at least insofar as the show is concerned.
. And it is also true that at this point in a tale, good storytellers use established plot items for major plot junctures. Again, this is what Chekhov was talking about in reverse: Chekhov was stressing that a storyteller should make a big deal of something early in a tale only if he/she was going to use it for something akin to resolving the Jon’s plot situation.
The major fallacy that is coming up here is a common one: assuming that it’s 50:50 when you do not know if something is true or false (with something here being “Old Gods can revive the Dead.”) But it’s not. If the Old Gods could do this, and given that both the show and the books have been fastidious about introducing important plot points before they become important, then we would have gotten this information in some way shape or form. The show (and the books) has given us one means only of reviving the dead: R’hllor. (No, the Walkers are not doing that: zombies are reanimated, but not revived; no, Qyburn is not doing that: the Mountain certainly was near death, but Qyburn said that he could be saved.)
I really do find it puzzling: why are people hoping for resolution when they must know the show will get ripped for doing? (And lest you say it would not, have you ever seen true Deus ex Machina not get ripped?)
Obviously: and that’s why the show should not waste any time showing Jaime pondering who the assassins are. And, yes, Faceless Men are expensive: but someone with access to Oberyn’s wealth no doubt could afford it. Alternatively, they could have hired one of Owen Harper’s former colleagues: any man you want, dead, if you meet his price. The point was not Faceless Men per se: the point is that the show’s audience has been introduced to multiple ways to get someone assassinated, and given that most of them are versed in true history, they will know of the sorts of means that would have existed in such a world. Thus they know that the assassin him (or her) self is the symptom, and that the person who sent the assassin is the disease. Jaime would know that, too.
Do we need to have this talk about episode leaks again? Deleting the posts.
People are not expecting actual chunks of episode leaks under spoiler code and certainly totally uncovered in this thread. Come on, people. And knock it off entirely, Susan. Stop posting that here.
Nymeria Warrior Queen,
Why is it even being debated whether the old woman we see is in fact Melisandre looking old? It’s clear that it’s an old Melisandre and not someone else if you watched the Inside the Episode that ran after the credits with Benioff and Weiss.
Sue the Fury,
Hey sorry, I posted the link because I wasn’t sure but I didn’t translate it out of Spanish. Understood and won’t post link again (or description).
Sue the Fury,
Thanks, Sue!!!
Susan,
I have no idea why that’s being debated. Maybe some didn’t see the inside the episode and missed the posts about it? Maybe some really do think, even in light of the information given to us by the show-runners, it still isn’t an old Melisandre, but a completely different person? Really, I have no clue…lol.
Raise your hand if you have ever been personally victimized by Quentyn Martell…
Are you the Boiled Leather Sean C?
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Yes.
Because a glamoured person will have Jon’s fighting abilities?
I’m really starting to wonder if it’s the ice and the cold that somehow saved Jon, in contrast to the fire that’s seemingly, yet again, going to lead to Dany’s rebirth this season. Something was clearly going on with the blood pattern with the way Davos was staring at it when they picked his body up. With Melisandre being so crestfallen, I’m also starting to wonder if Shireen’s death is actually going to count for more than just bringing the blizzard to an end before Stannis tried to lay siege to Winterfell. It seems like pitiful recompense for such a huge sacrifice. She needs to feel that everything that led her up to this point is somehow worthwhile. Obviously the necklace is Chekhov’s gun though. If Jon’s body can be switched with another one while she figures out how to resurrect him, then she’s going to do that. If Thoros bringing back Beric was foreshadowing for what’s to come with Mel and Jon, then she simply needs pray over his body and his resurrection will restore her faith. She’s already given Shireen’s life as a bargaining chip to The Lord of Light. He owes her.
Dani,
I’m really starting to wonder if it’s the ice and the cold that somehow saved Jon
Davos definitely looks for a long while and I think he sees something. I paused the shot of the snow and other than the dragon-y look (like wings) of the blood, the only thing I see is maybe the body was moved b/c there’s a snow streak above where the body was. Prob nothing.
Book talk in spoiler tag.
Laura,
No. I believe you’re thinking of Sean T. Collins.
To murder the heir of Dorne, no. The Faceless Men’s pricing system would make that cost-prohibitive.
Arya will learn to become a fighter. Jon Snow’s body will be brought to the House of Black and White. Arya will take his face. Arya will become Jon Snow. And she will fight. For the North.
Wimsey,
I agree this is a non issue. War with Dorne if the Lannistwrs can find the time and men what w the siege at Blackwater and the queen in a cell. I think when Ellaria or SS (OMG they r the SS) take over Dorne everyone will know who dunnit.
Boudica,
No pyres please. Its illogical. Say what you will of it being a fantasy series, the universe (and especially the show universe) has a realistic logic to it. There’s magic, but there is a logic to it.
Also: why has no one made a secret Targarean song yet? Or have I missed it? I feel I need that about now. It’s the reason I believe.
Rygritte,
The use of light (or lack there of) is an interesting question. It forces us to watch w the lights off, which makes it an experience and makes us feel even more excited about the show. In a way it’s a gimmick. And on the other hand it’s dark because that reflects the darkness of the material. But I have to agree w u that they overdo it a bit sometimes. It is dark af!
BloodyAl,
Why does everyone think Arya will kill the Freys. I don’t get it. I don’t know what to expect but I always imagined her actually finishing her training and then at the end killing Dany or some shit like that. Like just ruining our parade. Or worse yet Jon. Arya has always been one of my top two (as I expect she has for many) but she is going down a bit of a scary path. I don’t know she can turn back. If she becomes no one, well, then Arya will be gone. I suppose we shall see. In two or three years. In any case I don’t see her back to Westeros this season.
Yaga,
In that case all she would have left would be her cheekbones. Her sole redeeming quality.
I understand your logic, but no. She’s a mother and she loves her children. Even more than power. Now maybe inadvertently… But there are so many other dangers in this world, especially if you’re a king. And she already inadvertently caused Myrcellas death. Well sort of. It naturally rolled right out of Joffrey’s. It would be more interesting if it was all one big domino effect rather than Cersei’s fault. So something resulting from Myrcellas death causes Tommen’s, as hers came from the trial over Joff’s.
Tycho Nestoris,
Isn’t it in the books
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taim,
No, you’re wrong, most people do NOT believe that. And when he does come back, no matter how, its gonna be one of the biggest twists in television and will break the internet.
Connor,
Yeah, this photo (scene from the trailer) intrigued me. I don’t think she was surprised. I watched it a few times (in slow mo) and to me, she looked very sad and was teary-eyed as she turned to the bearded man (some are speculating it’s Jon Snow). They seem to be in a tent. Maybe she received some sad news from this man? I immediately thought of Rickon when I saw this. Also, all of Sansa’s scenes in the trailer 2 showed her with a very sad face (this scene, the close-up one, and even the one in the battlefield). What is she sad about???
Demon Monkey,
I’m one of those who think (wish?) she’d kill the Freys (or a Frey). She’s probably going to kill someone this season. Who? It’s anybody’s guess. When I saw the released pic of a bloodied hand touching a wall, I guessed it was Arya’s. I still believe her wolf blood is too strong for her to become totally “No one”.
Max von Sydow has hands like a chimpanzee.
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Jack Bauer 24,
I agree, he has to come back either in episode 3 or 4 in order to allow the story enough time to get set up properly. All the northern houses being united will take some time and if its done in like 1 episode it will feel rushed. I’m also thinking back to when Rob basically made Jon his heir, will that legitimize him so when he comes back from the dead he will truly be Jon Stark/Targaryen
Wimsey,
i agree that that it’s unlikely, it would be through that route,
i agree mel is the most likely and utterly blaringly obvious route.
what i don’t agree is that a power which has largely remained dormant for the last 8k years to start to influence matters, when the others are on the way probably in a manner which they haven’t done for that 8k years.
makes it D.E.M. as for your chekov. the guns are hung, resurrection is possible. gods can have effects in the real world, the children of the forest are possibly coming back in some way. we know the old gods can have influence over unlife it is established.
were it the only assistance they provide in the coming war, then that would deservedly be ripped. as a first act in revelation of the old gods reawakening with more help to come, then it’s simply that a revalation of a reawakening and future assistance.
maybe it’s simply a feeling that mel is so blindingly obvious a route, then it’s an absolute impossibility that anyone would be so dumb as to use that route and not some form of twist.
there’s a difference between subtle hints and blatant demonstration neon signs and airraid sirens going off obvious. the old gods are the former, mel the latter
further to that.
the wildlings are the truest worshipers of the old gods, the men of the north largely pay them lip service and consider much of their history to be fairy tales.
their power is strong in johns family, john took his vows at the weirwood tree.
the nights king is a crow who fell in love with a white walker and joined their side.
john is a crow who fell in love with a wildling and has helped their side. for the old gods to bring him back, it then firmly establishes him as their champion in the war to come.
Sir Imp hand Strong,
That was a mighty ballsy post
Demon Monkey,
I think she wont totally become no one.
This is foreshadowed heavily in her burrying needle
I think and hope she will kill the Freys. She was there when the red wedding happened, and i think it would be fitting if she did. Maybe I am wishing for too much ahhaa
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Clearly behind Mellissandra I see Lady Stoneheart (Catlin Stark) no gloves, hand on saddle pommel and no Longclaw,
with the imminent coming of winter, you have to wonder, if somewhere in a quiet office in the bowels of a temple of the lord of light.
if there’s a little inspirational note that reads.
give a man a fire and he will be warm for the rest of the day.
set a man on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life
Vic P,
Oh, the other horse appears to have longclaw near the saddle, It would appear they are taking Jon Snow to Thoros of Myr since he is the only Red Priest (that I know) who can resurrect the dead.
Maybe Tommen will make it out of this mess alive? I’m mystified by the line Cersei says about what the Witch told her “She promised me three children.” In season 1, Cersei tells Catelyn about the baby she had with Robert, a darling little black haired boy who died of fever. I’m sure he would have been buried with deepest respect, including a golden shroud. Myrcella is the third child to die and only 3 deaths and 3 shrouds of gold were predicted. Are they, the writers, trying to totally forget mention of a first child or are we to think Cersei told Catelyn a lie? Or is Tommen somehow safe?
BTW the format of the WotW pages has been messed up for almost three days now. All articles on my laptop appear now in a straight line; any of what would normally be the side columns print in blue in a basic font and appear as a list below the articles rather than on either side of the page, and my log-in info, name and email, disappears. I hope this gets fixed before Sunday.
Oh, ok, the page refreshed, my login info is still here and the columns and pics on the right side of the page seem to print ok, but the main column is now pushed all the way to the left and the there is no left side column of print or pics. This is just so you guys know, not trying to aggravate you.
Thronetender,
didn’t the prophecy also say gold will be their crowns, prior to gold will be their shrouds,
which then could be considered, 3 with blond hair i.e. golden crown.
the one with black hair being considered one of Roberts 20.
it’s then vague enough to actually be prophecy and still fit.
there’s no point having prophecies that people can work out exactly what they mean before they’ve happened, other wise they’d have to come with spoiler tags
Wimsey,
Thanks, Wimsey. I never knew any of that and its very interesting.
To be honest, I struggled to find any character in LOTR to say that they evolved. I was just going with my gut reaction, which said I needed to defend LOTR. But you are right. The story is about heroes, not people, which is really what GRRM writes against. All of the characters are human and flawed. Villians can be heroic and heroes can be bloody morons. The good guy doesn’t always win. All of it.
I still like to think we could say that the other hobbits grow as people and mature due to their experience. I mean, they aren’t entirely unchanging.
GrailKing,
Nice work! You were so close so props on not looking it up like I did…
The Blood of Winterfull,
Well if Bran can now “skip” through time as it were and can interact with people with doing so, maybe he sees what happens, is shown that it must be reversed in order to save the world so he skips back to right before and warns Jon – but those involved keep the memory…its a stretch but hey….
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don’t know if I should cover this with spoiler code or not. ’cause it seems it is not going to happen in the show…
in the books, Bran actually has a seems to have a crush on Meera. In the clash of kings, the first time the reeds arrive at winterfell Bran took notice of Meera at once…
Bran in the show seems to be a bit busy watching game of thrones in weirwood central to take notice of Meera for a while
darkdadi,
the edit is not working.. sorry for the grammar
Thronetender,
I always thought that baby was Gendry.
darkdadi,
I was always disappointed in the way the Reeds were introduced in the show. It was so sweet in the books with so much information.
Rygritte,
Hey any excuse to bring back Joe Dempsy…