In new interviews, Natalie Dormer discusses the controversial roles she’s played thus far while Peter Dinklage reflects on the shared humility and wit between him and Tyrion.
Dormer comments on what draws her to more risqué roles:
You know what? Sometimes, if something makes you uncomfortable as an actor, it’s interesting. And you have to work out why it’s making you uncomfortable: why do I feel threatened by this scene? Because sometimes it’s the stuff that makes you uncomfortable that is actually the good drama.
She also discusses her upcoming role as the main character in the BBC period drama The Scandalous Lady W and how it compares to Margaery Tyrell:
I’d made a small pledge to myself to keep away from corsets for a bit, because I didn’t want to be pigeonholed.
Though she says she couldn’t help herself with her new upcoming role as she was simply too drawn to it. To contrast her costumed period dramas, Dormer has also appeared in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Elementary, and Silk.
Lastly, she comments on sex and motivation in Game of Thrones:
I think sex and romance is a huge part of human motivation so long as it’s informing the story then I don’t see what the problem is. Obviously no one likes gratuitous sex or gratuitous misogyny, the same way people shouldn’t like gratuitous violence.
But I think Thrones is quite good in that way. The violence is quite naturalistic. It’s not hyper-stylised. It’s not glamorised. And the sex is quite real and dirty as well. It’s about those raw, visceral qualities of human life that make good drama.
On her comfort towards the scenes and the sensitivity of the showrunners approach with Game of Thrones:
Welcome to being an actress under a certain age in the industry. [she laughs] But, you know, there are sensitive men in the industry as well – writers, directors, producers. It’s not just men against women. David Benioff and Dan Weiss are liberal-minded Americans who believe in equality. And we’re all serving the story.”
Head on over to The Telegraph for the full interview where Dormer further discusses her upcoming role, The Hunger Games and Game of Thrones!
The interview begins with a quote from Dan Weiss explaining why Dinklage was so perfect for the role.
He says they both share “a core of humanity covered by a shell of sardonic wit” to which Dinklage responds:
“Sure, I can understand that. I think Tyrion can be the most relatable to the modern sensibility because he’s not a hero and not a villain. He has a sense of humour even in the worst of times. Who relates to Ned Stark? Is he anybody sitting at the dinner table? But Tyrion is one of the dinner party. Although Dan is probably talking about mine and Tyrion’s shared love of drinking and has just veiled it in a writerly way!
He also comments on the changing image of the “leading man” in Hollywood:
There is a different definition of the leading man now. It’s fantastic. You look at the leading men of the past and they are very different. Hollywood is finally opening the door wider to more realistic portrayals of who people are. It’s not just about beautiful Hollywood stars.
While promoting his new film Pixels (also starring Sean Bean), he praises George R.R. Martin for writing such a role:
I loved The Lord of the Rings as books and movies but, like elves, dwarves are presented as another creature. They are not humans in those stories. We don’t have elves walking around, but we do have dwarves like myself. We are real. So it’s nice to be humanised in fiction for once, especially in that genre. George R R was clever enough to make a dwarf a fully fleshed-out human being
He further discusses Game of Thrones, Pixels, and his previous roles in the full interview at The Guardian!
What do you think of the interviews? Are you excited for their upcoming projects? Let us know below!
Young hodor
Hodor!
Anne Boleyn!
show tyrion is a white knight hero though
Eh, for now. GRRM’s described Tyrion as a villain before, and he seems to be headed in that direction in the books. D&D might pull a Shae and have him completely change characterization for plot purposes. His breaking point might just come later in the show than it did in the books.
You know, for someone who’s afraid of being typecast, Natalie Dormer seems to be taking the same roles–seductive, cunning, ambitious, progressive, etc.–over and over again (Elementary, The Tudors, GOT, this newest project from the sounds of it, etc.).
I have a bad feeling the Martell’s time at/near the top is coming to a close!
aurane waters,
Yeah , white knights kill their lovers all the time.
Dinklage must be pissed that he was turned into a garry stu in season five. He can do no wrong apparently. Loved Martin’s character development of him in ADWD. His complete and utter downward spiral with little regard for his own life. He becomes so bitter after the events of ASOS, becomes quite dislikable as a character. But that’s what makes it great, that complexity. D & D however showed no insight into Tyrion’s mind regarding Shae, Tywin or Cersei. He’s just a perfect hero now. Martin created mostly grey point of view characters, but D & D are making Westeros as black and white as Middle Earth.
Sounds like Dormer knows D&D are getting her raped in Season 6 and she’s trying to “cool” down the reactions.
Hodoreo,
And what you think about show Stannis?
Balon01,
When the show has her come at him with a knife to turn it into self-defense, they do.
I would say picking up the knife was self-defense on her part.
Mustafa. S.,
I read the interview, and I have absolutely no idea what she said that gave you this rather appalling idea.
It was.
D&D said that they wanted to make a tragedy of two people who loved each other and who both felt betrayed and end up trying to kill each other.
So, they decided to give Shae some agency…
Oops!
hexonx,
Yep. She did that after seeing his reaction to seeing her there, assuming rightly that he would at the very least attack. And him killing her wasn’t self-defence either because he still pulled on the chain after she’d been subdued and her knife was gone.
Hodoreo,
u have to be the first person i saw who actually enjoyed or liked Tyrion’s turn to the darkside in the last book. I still remember forums erupting with thousands of angry readers about how terrible Tyrion’s arc was in the last book and how GRRM has lost his mind with Tyrion and Dany’s story progression. only few years ago people were complaining about the last book being the worst due to the butchering of Tyrion and Dany’s characters and plotlines. Now that D&D are actually preventing that from happening, we still criticize them because the book is our bible even if it sucks
Bareeq,
If I read, “Wherever whores go…” in ADWD ONE MORE TIME, I was going to scream. Yes, Tyrion’s internal monologue did give insight into his tortured thoughts about having killed Shae, and his professed desire to rape his sister before killing her too (I chalked up the “rape” part to hyperbole on Tyrion’s part) did give his character more of a gray cast, but the swirling thoughts of a drunk, self-loathing character could have been streamlined a bit, in my opinion.
mau,
Shae had agency in the original story (and her character also made way more sense).
Given their general tack with Tyrion’s character of eliminating negative traits and actions (and, indeed, most of the “good” characters, though Tyrion is the most pronounced example), I doubt that was their primary consideration, and the general audience reaction to that scene at a minimum shows that they didn’t succeed, as it was widely interpreted as self-defense. Among other things, if the writers wanted to portray Shae that way, they needed to actually tell her side of the story, which they didn’t do (they even cut her dialogue from the scene). You had people BTS talking about coercion, but there’s nothing suggesting that in the show, where all the emphasis is on her getting back at him for sending her away, which is actually giving her an even less complex and sympathetic motivation than the one she appears to have had in the book.
Well that escalated quickly!
Yeah,Tyrion’s ADWD arc was garbage . I don’t know how people can even defend the absolute botched way Martin has wrote him,everytime i read his name or Dany’s in the chapters .i wanted to skp ahead,the show was much better in those aspects last season . And to be honest i like that Tyrion is not a miserable character in the show as opposed to the books,there are already enough miserable and awful characters in both the books and show and it would have only turned off people even more off the show .
Salty Dornishman,
Turtles.
Don´t forget the turtles.
I would not say that it was “garbage.” What I think it did suffer from was a flabby narrative with a “false rebound.” Tyrion starts off at a nadir: he’s fallen further than we ever have seen. However, we then see him start to rebound with Young Griff and start to rediscover both his old self but also something new: he develops some slightly idealistic notions about Young Griff much to his own surprise. And then he gets put into slavery and gets set all the way back to the bottom again. By the end of the book, GRRM should have had Tyrion rebound back to the top: but not simply rebound, bounce back as something “bigger” than he had been before. (Say, Tyrion with a Cause rather than Tyrion looking for Justification.)
The shame of it is that there was nothing wrong with this that some good editing could not have fixed. Cut a few things here (probably the Young Griff chapters), add at least the Winter Chapter where we see Tyrion Plus Reborn (he killed the Drunk and let the Advocate be Born), and: voila! it would have been a tight part of the Crows/Dragons story.
?? Hardly: she didn’t have more than three functioning neurons. In a lot of ways, book Shae undermines Tyrion’s character. It is quite obvious there that she’s just a witless bimbo who does not give three figs about Tyrion. Yes, it does emphasize Tyrion’s dwarf-induced insecurities: but: 1) that recipe had plenty of salt already; and, 2) it added an extra element of self-delusion. Emotionally insecure, etc., is fine: but the self-delusion part always felt wrong for someone who is Tywin’s “true” son.
Wimsey,
I do believe you are responding to someone else, because I certainly did not write that text.
Wimsey,
Well, as much as I loved the books, I think some good editing was badly needed, and perhaps if he had a good editor, he’d have WOW finished by now…
And GRRM has admitted in a recent blog post that show Shae is better than book Shae. Double oops!
Wimsey,
Shae was no genius, but she was an ordinary peasant using what tools she had to make the best she could of the situation she was in by playing the part Tyrion wanted her to play, and, on his fall, seeking to make the best of it (both in terms of advantage and her continued survival). I disagree that Tyrion’s self-delusion is at odds with his character; for all the Tyrion tells Jon about how you should know what you are and use it as a shield, he doesn’t really do that in his own life (which is hardly surprising, given how much crap he has had to deal with his whole life). It shows just how powerful his desire to be loved is, and how he projects his own insecurities and desires onto women around him.
Sean C.,
Here we go again with the word “agency” . Can this word be banned forever from the english dictionary ,because this fandom has really made me hate it with a passion,apparently everyone is a fucking agent in this series,maybe they should rename the series 007:The Medieval Fantasy Version . And no her character did not make anymore sense than in the show,more revisionist crap from a book purist .
Loooper the Great,
I wasn’t the one who brought up the term you apparently dislike.
Yes, she did make more sense, because her motivations were consistent. TV!Shae is introduced as a street-smart pragmatist who inexplicably flips into a completely irrational character with no common sense about her situation and is established as fiercely loyal before (apparently) becoming completely mercenary at the drop of a hat. Even the actress couldn’t figure out why she turned on Sansa (the answer being: because it happened in the books).
I sometimes wonder if I am the only person in the world who misses, in the HBO version, Tyrion’s voyage down the Rhoyne on the Shy Maid. I found the Griffs’ crew quite intriguing – especially that mysterious Septa Lemore, who is clearly someone other than who she pretends to be, and I am eager to find out who. We haven’t even encountered cyvasse in the show, which is such a wonderfully useful metaphoric tool!
Firannion,
No you’re not the only one, I missed it too.
Sean C.,
Widely interpreted? Only on westeros.org and Reddit.
GRRM said that TVshae is batter then BOOKshae.
i for one think it’s quite futile, tho argue that BOOKshae is batter, when the author admits he wished he would have wrote her the way she was on TV.
i don’t see what you could like at BOOKshae, she is bassicaly a non-character, no personality and, like Wimsey said, it’s painfully obvious that she doesn’t love Tyrion.
and that in my opinion hurts tyrion’s character.
you can say you personally liked her in the Book’s, but to say she is batter writen, when the author himself says that they did a batter job then him, is, i think, quite narrow-minded
Firannion,
i missed those scenes. i was one of those who argued that YG is real, altough i strongly believe that GRRM should have dropped hints from at least from ASOS, his suden apearence is very weak i think.
but it is YG and JC and the crew that i miss. not Tyrion’s endless chapters.
i was very curious if YG is real, not so much now tough.
so my take on those scenes in the TV. it would have been very bad writing, if Tyrion did not reach Dany, just like it was in ADWD.
now if YG is fake, then those scenes and that entire plot, should have been cut. if he is fake, then that entire plot, is just awfull writting, a 2 book quentyn storyline.
so in the books, i still have hope he is real, less and lees i admit. but if is fake then i’m glam they cut that storyline, the same i was when they cut quentyn/arriane.
Mihnea,
A lot of people on AFOIF think that GrrM is lying when he praises the show in any way. And then many of these same people purposefully misinterpret some of his remarks to prove that secretly he agrees with them. When I used to post there I asked one frequent “ranter and raver” if this meant that she thought GrrM was only telling the truth when he agreed with her, to which she pretty much responded “yes”. So I doubt his comments about Sibel’s Shae have made much of an impact there. That is if they’ve registered at all amongst that crowd.
Sean C.,
I agree with your Shae analysis though I appreciate both versions of Shae (book and show). However, I thought that show Shae’s motivations were very poorly explained for the trial scene. To me her testimony just didn’t make sense in the show after this professed great love and loyalty to Tyrion and Sansa – in the book, yes, because she had no love.
Firannion,
Cersei’s Brain,
jealousy?
mau,
she felt hurt, abandoned. of course she would like to see him hurt aswell.
you should hear the things my ex-wife says about me……while 6 years ago i had the looks of Brad Pit and apearantly i was the best man she ever had, now i’m im the worst it seams.
relationships are not clear cut. one day you could love your wife/husband the next you can litarly hate them.
Count me in the group that didn’t HATE the voyage down the Rhoyne but wish it had been much shorter – and indeed “Where do whores go?” began to pall as much as “You know nothing Jon Snow” had earlier in the series.
Mihnea, I’m not saying this to be a smarty-pants but thought you might like to know the word is spelled “better” as in “This is better than that” – to batter something means to hit it or there is “batter” that pancakes are made of – or that fish are sometimes coated with before they are fried (there are loads of Fish and Chips shops in the UK). I made a far worse mistake in a language which was not my own when I was in France when I was about 18 – there was an election on and lots of political slogans had been painted on walls – I asked “De quel parti est M. Mered?” (from which political party is Mr Sh*t); it certainly gave the French people I was with a laugh. I wasn’t that worried about the change in Shae’s personality from page to screen; I was more disappointed in the way they changed Ellaria for example, making her a much nastier character than her book counterpart (can’t say too much about that because I don’t want to spoil things for the Unsullied).
Show!Tyrion is the worst (not complaining about Peter’s acting skills).
The pure saving hero.
He loves a whore? Nooooo, Shae is the ascended extra cool girlfriend. Then, the angry ungrateful bitch.
He hates is brother? Nooooo, Jaime hates him.
Sansa is cold as the Wall? Nooooo, she happily jokes with him.
Tyrion fucks a whore? Nooooo, the sex slave is happy to give him free sex.
Tyrion is on his lowest point? Like… two episodes. Then, he becomes the ruler of Meeren.
Tyrion has no allies? Cocksucking Varys.
Tyrion let Tysha get raped, raped himself and then forgets her until he can’t fuck Shae or Sansa? Noooooo, there’s no Tysha.
Dany is an awful ruler? Let’s gonna have Tyrion mansplaining her how to rule and Dany begging for his help.
He’s smart, right? 5 minutes of “kuh-kuh-kuh”.
All his scenes, specially in season 5, were cringeworthing. At the “I am the gift” part I wanted to vomit.
Dame of Mercia,
thanks!! learning english alone is quite difficult, so every correction is welcomed. 🙂
SlayerNina,
you can have your opinion. mine is that i enjoyed tyrion in the show very, very much. more so that he actoully got to Dany.
i personaly don’t see the point in making him unlikeable.
i think they made the right choice, making hin THAT unlikeable would have been suicide for the show, just like it was with ADWD. i’m glad they took the feedback, and made tyrion’s story allot more enjoyable
Dame of Mercia,
I should have said “Merde” in my earlier post.
SlayerNina,
I agree that book Tyrion is darker (in character) than show Tyrion but I wouldn’t say show Tyrion is completely a goody twoshoes.
Dame of Mercia,
i agree. he clearly feels bad for killing his father and the women he loved.
i think this makes it even more tragic. while tysha’s story is tragic, that happened years before. so if Tyrion killing the women he loves is not dark, i don’t know what is.
and on him sulking over ”where do whores go”, they did that until ep.5 ”kill the boy”. doing more would have been tiresome. and would have got the same criticism that ADWD got.
Good news ! The boy looks the part.
Mihnea,
Can you speak english please? Your english must be the worst i have seen on this site. It’s really annoying to read your posts.
carl,
i do make some grammar mistakes, as Dame of Mercia pointed out.
but i do belive that my writing, while it may have some errors, is readable.
il try to be more clear next time tough.
I’m complaining about the fact Tyrion is made likeable (which is not cool, because that’s the point of the character, his complexity and the grey-grey, like he was on season 1 and 2) at the expense of other characters or full plots. (It’s not only Tyrion, Cersei is a Tiger Tragic Mom attacked by the horrible, horrible Tyrells and not a Paranoid Narcicistic, and Daenerys is the Badass Ruler oh so Badasss Dragons Badass Badassssss Epic Speeches Badasssss instead the stupid teenager she is. They even cut the Griffs just to have her as the savior). I prefer to choose which characters I like, not to be pushed around the designated HBO cool character.
Tyrion in DoD is boring? OK. But if you’re gonna change that, make it reasonably. Not “hey dwarf, I’m a pit worker and I’m freeing you for… em… just because!”. Or characters sucking his ass during hoooooourssss just because is Martin and D&D’s Marty Stu. That’s beyond ridiculous.
If Tyrion is made likeable on purpose, I demand Sansa or Stannis, or Brienne being likeable, one ruling as a Wardeness of the North after kill the Boltons in a classy way and Stannis wining Winterfell in an epic battle and then celebrating it with his wife and daughter and Brienne doing something. Anything. Oh, wait, they’re not the fanfavourite.
“carl,
Mihnea,
Can you speak english please? Your english must be the worst i have seen on this site. It’s really annoying to read your posts.”
Can someone ban the troll, please? Mihnea, your English is fine.
I chuckled loudly and totally agree.
Mihnea,
Authors don’t have the final word on those things (indeed, they’re often surprisingly poor assessors of their own work; on the extreme end you have people like Alan Moore who basically disown much of their best work, though in Moore’s case there are considerations apart from the actual material there; Woody Allen, likewise, has sometimes spoken ill of almost his whole filmography). Some people who don’t like the show hang everything on GRRM’s words or whatever, but I don’t. He may prefer the TV version, and he’s clearly close friends with Sibel Kekilli, which I’m sure influences that, but I don’t agree. Maybe he would write the character differently now and thinks that would improve the book (he also talks about making Robb and POV, but I’ve never seen what that would have meaningfully added, and it takes away from the role of Catelyn’s POV, which he spoke so eloquently on in the past).
SlayerNina,
i’m not even going to take this seriously.
Dany portrayed as a good ruler, yeah right…
Cersei is stupid and paranoid here too. they clearly make her be the one who attacks the tyrrel’s, not the other way around.
no point in arguing tough, you clearly made up your mind already.
dee,
thank you very much.
i did tought that he did not agreed with my point, but instead of finding resonable argument, he just jumped directly at insults
Mihnea,
Thank you for your nice answer. It’s really nice when people take your advise and try to improve themselves instead of talking shit.
Also are from Romania?
Mihnea,
To me, I believe Book!Shae is better than Show!Shae, even if Martin prefers this version.
Yes, Book!Shae is plain, but that’s the point. Tyrion loves someone who doesn’t love him (and actually, doesn’t “have” to love him. He’s his employer, he’s being rude at her and basically, she’s fucking him by a contract). I read a tumblr analysis about how the plain girlfriend is turned always in the Cool Girlfriend so the hero can get what he deserved and the show has give us a prime example: Shae change from bitch to caring girlfriend and nice to Sansa so Tyrion is right about loving her; Jeyne change from non entity to sassy brave nurse who fights in another continent so Robb is right about loving her; Lyanna is pure and simply legendary and “not like the other girls”, so Rhaegar and Robert are right about loving her; most fanfics picture Sansa as being awesome so the Hound is right about loving her. The women must earn the love they get.
Tyrion doesn’t deserve to be loved, doesn’t deserve to have a girl just for being nice. Anyone deserve anything just for being good. That’s the Nice Guy Syndrome at Westeros level.
BTW, yes, I find Tyrion’s chapters boring (all of them, even pre DoD era), but I miss the Griffs too. It’s like saying “this people destroy or overshadow Dany’s character, so we must erase them”.
PS: What is the problem of your writing? I’m not English speaker, but I don’t see any problem there… O.O
Sean C.,
i never said wich characters make more sense (i enjoy both equally)
i just pointed out, that even the author belives shae in the show was better written.
and i agree with him.
shae in the books could have used more personality.
oh on side note: know to hate the show we can’t even take the authors opinion, on his own characters? all right.
SlayerNina,
insulting my writing, because he does not like my opinion. some people, it apears, can’t have a disscussion if you don’t agree with them. so they resort to insults.
for example. our conversation. i simply do not agree with you statements, as you don’t agree with mine. but there’s no point in insulting one another.
Troll? I don’t think you realize what “troll” means. Anyway, take it easy I was just pointing out something that is real.
Mihnea, sorry if I upset you.
carl,
i’m not upset at all. but thanks
carl,
Carl, English is quite a difficult language for people who do not speak it as their native tongue – as I’m sure you are aware. A non-native English speaker LEARNS by making mistakes. I speak French (though not like a native French person obviously) and a little Spanish but of course I make mistakes that a person from a French speaking or Spanish speaking country would not make. Let’s face it, USA and British English have certain differences (i.e. in British English “to advise” is a verb and “advice” is a noun whereas in the USA I believe “advise” is used for both the verb and the noun). I think we should cut non-native English speakers a bit of slack.
carl,
i’m from romania yes.
Dame of Mercia,
the british always like to complicate stuff, don’t they.
Mihnea,
I’m actually from England Mihnea – but we can’t make it too easy for folks now, can we? (That’s intended as a joke). There was an online website piece of news the other day where somebody (presumably a native Briton) had written about “dominatrixs” whereas the word should have been “dominatrices”). Apparently somebody had opened up a place where dominatrices worked and some the people who lived locally were complaining about things like screams waking the kids up very late in the evening. But I am really mentioning this to say that native English speakers can make mistakes sometimes.
Dame of Mercia,
actoully it’s British grammar whe learned at school, long time ago.(damn i feel old).
of course i forgot about 75% from what i learned, back then.
studying alone is quite difficult, but the job rquires it.
so i started reading some forums, and recently writting, to re-learn what i forgot. quite happy that i can write a coherent post.
Mihnea,
Where did I say you can’t take the author’s opinion? You can do whatever you want. I merely said that authors don’t have the final word on the value of a given element (as opposed to interpretation, where their input is much more significant, though the Death of the Author types would disagree); the history of art provides plenty of examples as to why.
One thing about posting at WOTW I could never stomach; all the damn vampires.
Yeah, off the top of my head I couldn’t think of a better term for someone who only comes out to pick a fight . I think people understood what I meant.
In any case, something “that is real” can be expressed in many different ways. “Worst” and “annoying” aren’t words you choose if you don’t want to insult anyone. You could have offered to help with the English or asked for clarification instead. From the way you are criticizing other people’s English I assume your English is good enough to understand the nuances.
carl,
Nobody likes a grammar nazi,end of story .
Mihnea,
As others have said, don’t worry your English is perfectly understandable and as with most things it will improve with practice. As long as the general meaning is clear (which it is) it doesn’t matter if some of the words aren’t quite correct.
If you are looking for tips: always start sentences with a capital letter and when talking about yourself it’s always capital “I” as in “I really like Game of Thrones” not a small “i”. Hope that helps a bit 😀
My page a day calendar quote for 11-August:
His blood is bad. He needs to be leeched. The leeches suck away the bad blood, all the rage and pain. No man can think so full of anger.
-Roose Bolton – A Dance with Dragons
Lulu’s Mum,
Thanks for the tips!
Deathdreams,
Mind if I ask where you get these? Just curious.
Mihnea,
You’re welcome 😀
Mihnea,
Lulu’s Mum,
Loooper the Great,
dee,
carl,
Dame of Mercia,
Come on guys,
Bad blood is universal. This is nothing that cannot be settled by a good leeching.
Mihnea,
I have an actual page a day desk calendar That I got from a calendar store at the “crappy” mall.
Deathdreams,
Thats nice! I want one too, damnit
Deathdreams,
Mmmm leeching only had a two thirds success rate for Stannis by the looks of it. I think I’d want better odds if it was something really important or that I planned to be alive to see 😉
Off topic but Westworld and Vinyl look amazing. And we have S6 of GoT. I am so excited for HBO in 2016.
Lulu’s Mum,
We miss you.
Let me guess. You are the college kid who constantly complains about foreign teaching assistants, not realizing that learning to deal with foreign accented English is a basic job competency for many careers. I also suspect Minhea’s English is light-years better than your best second language.
実は第二言語一文不知かもしれない。。。
Re, Natalie taking on similar roles….
In the immortal words of Leonard Nimoy, “Better to be typecast than not cast at all”
Chad Brick,
We may have our disagreements, but that was suprisingly….kind.
Thank you
I cannot understand this at all.
Tyrion on the show is not a hero, but he’s certainly not a villain… he’s a ‘man of talent’ as Varys says, and more importantly he’s the viewer’s avatar; he’s the Falstaff of Game of Thrones, the wry poet showing us the world from his wide eyed view.
But a terrible character during the last season? I can’t imagine that. Not the show I was watching, certainly.
Maybe you aren’t a troll (by your own standards) but you sure showed yourself to be an intolerant ass.
As in a later post you made…. “Also are from Romania?” *cough cough* People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. And for the future? A kindly hint is kindly given. You are fortunate that Mihnea is a gracious person.
Mihnea’s English is a hell of a lot better than my Romanian, so I’m not going to criticize.
Rygar,
Awww thank you, miss you guys too. On here I have to try and be at least a bit relevant to the discussion so just lurk when it’s stuff that I don’t know enough about to contribute anything even vaguely worthwhile [cue cries of never stopped you before!].
When fleaing I can just send people pictures of dancing hedges without bothering them too much, but it’s very difficult to get in sync, I’m just going to bed when the rest of you come out to play 🙁 Oh the difficulties of time travel, Dr Who makes it look much easier 😉
Cameryn,
Not a villain (unless you forget how he killed a bard for flirt with Shae and how he punished a servant because he was bored, how he hates commoners to the point he doesn’t give a shit about what happen to them and his overall treatement of women), but I never see him as a good guy, the player or smart, despite what everybody’s says.
His power as a player resides on his family name, wealth and wits, but…
People are not scare of him, is scared about his father.
He doesn’t have any possessions on his own.
He uses the pity card all time (Penny loves him? Being ugly and rude? Seriously, Martin?)
He was fooled by Littlefinger, Varys, Olenna, Tywin, Cersei, Catelyn even Sansa and Shae. He cannot keep his mouth shut (which he recognises) and goes on trouble a lot for it. He doesn’t seems to know almost anything about politics, languages or geography, even it’s supposed to be trained in that skills since he was born. He doesn’t make alliances with anybody (even dare to piss off them), doesn’t bring food to the city, sell his niece to Martells and put a bunch of clans and sellswords in the middle of Kingslanding without having any control over them.
Yet, Varys saves him for… I literally don’t know, doing this he must run away and hide, butchering his plans all along because Tyrion’s a crown traitor, accused of regicide and kinslaying, withouth money or army or friends, and he expect Daenerys will listening Tyrion’s warnings (aka the son of the man who killed here family) just because.
His only good idea since everything started was to know Pycelle’s is Cersei’s pet (forgeting Littlefinger on the way and not controlling Pycelle anyway) and the Blackwater thing (until his own fire started to kill his own men, though Stannis army could have conquered the city if Tywin didn’t come). Anyway, we read every Tyrion’s chapter or other POVS admiring him as smart, good, or player. **rolls eyes**
But that’s my opinion, of course.
Mihnea,
Nothing to argue. Dany is a HORRIBLE leader both show and books (though in the books she tried her best, Show!Dany is like Hitler with dragons).
But I don’t understand why she didn’t listen her advisors and not showing any doubts about her duty excepting with her trusted friends, and (in the show) she almost is kneeling beging help to Tyrion, a dwarf popped out of nowhere, son of Tywin the murder of her family and accused of regicide and kinslaying and he even says that he wants to destroy his family. And acting like he’s the boss and Dany a stupid child without any power (though he’s her prisoner). What impedes he betrayed Dany?
If I were Dany, I would have killed Tyrion (he doesn’t have anything to support he’s gonna help her truly) and sent his head to Cersei, so I would have made an alliance with the crown and after, I would have destroyed the Crown from the inside.
Yes, I’m bored at home XD
And that’s how they get ya. All gracious and suave and shit; next thing you know, you are inviting them into your house and BAM! game over.
SlayerNina,
Stannis sucks and is dead and never coming back,just wanted to remind you 🙂
Funny how correcting poor English is considered poor etiquette online. I find I have to restrain myself constantly, mainly because mine is nowhere near perfect. There ought to be a shorthand way of communicating that you don’t mind being corrected.
As long as one is understood it doesn’t really matter, we all make typos or miss ridiculous autocorrects, but seeing the same error repeated consistently by the same person stands out.
Non-native English speakers likely have trouble because so many native speakers make so many mistakes.
It’s hard (impossible sometimes) to tell if mistakes are due to the writer being non-native or just poorly educated. I’d hazard a guess that non-native speakers take corrections better than lazy ignorant natives?
IMO the best way to learn to spell and punctuate is to read English literature. Even online journalism can be full of mistakes.
I don’t mind being corrected. Once I learn a rule I tend not to forget it. I misspelt ‘currant’ once and was corrected by a friend who baked a lot! Never again.
But we all make mistakes occasionally.
For blackmail actually. I thought it was plainly explained but now your post reminded of how far away from text the reader can go, if they so choose to.
Nan,
Well of course! They have to shoehorn them into their pre-existing narratives…
carl,
How many languages can you speak, write and understand? From what I gather, the person you’re talking to is learning English. STFU and deal with his/her typos. You can understand everything he/she is writing.
I have just watched all 5 seasons from beginning to end these last 2 weeks. I had never watched before and was implored to do so by a friend. It’s been an emotional 2 weeks! Now I wait, sadly. I have always adored Peter Dinklage and obviously, he’s my favorite. Well, Tyrion and Jon Snow…..:(
Kelley Anne,
And now your watch begins..
Loooper the Great,
I like Book!Stannis. Show!Stannis sucks and do things for no discerneable reason (and lost, so Ramsay Sue can win).
The dead part, however… I don’t understand why they show us Oberyn Popping Eyes Martell and Pedoryn Trant but not Dead Stannis because it was “gratuitous”.
Kelley Anne,
Wow, good going, you’ll need the 9(ish) month break until series 6 starts to get over and process what you’ve just seen! Welcome to WOTW 😀
Welcome to WotW! Always good to have a fresh mind about the place. 🙂