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Is another dead character appearing in Game of Thrones season 6?

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There’s been an intriguing former cast member sighting in Peñíscola during this week’s Game of Thrones filming, and progress in general offering us a glimpse at the season to come.

In locations news, Game of Thrones will be moving to the Almería province starting October 10th. Production members arrived in August to begin building sets in this remote area. A few new images show us the progress made on the set in El Chorrillo, Sierra Alhamilla many have theorized to be Dothraki huts- a potential Vaes Dothrak in the making.

La Voz De Almeria reports that filming is expected to start at the El Chorrillo site on the 10th, and remain there for about four days,

They also say their sources give them the dates of October 20th and 21st for the Alcazaba.

Other locations in the province that will see filming over the next few weeks include Mesa Roldan, Tabernas, and Sorbas.

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And checking in with Peñíscola, Spain filming, there’s been an unusual sighting of an ex-cast member. It could be just be them visiting the set to see old friends, or is it something more?

POTENTIAL SPOILERS!  POTENTIAL SPOILERS!

One fan is checking in from the filming city this week with lots of photos, and he spotted Sibel Kekilli arriving.

 

It’s always possible Shae appears in some kind vision or dream of Tyrion’s, in season 6.  But until we receive further confirmation, we’ll take this with a grain of salt. Regardless of where she is staying, Kekilli might only be visiting friends.

There are more photos of the sets and props from around Peñíscola:

We also have a photo of Peter Dinklage and Nathalie Emmanuel from Saturday’s filming, with someone believed to be Mark Mylod (director of episodes 7 and 8 for season 6).

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Speaking of directors, if that is Mylod, he isn’t the only director in town. Daniel Sackheim (director of episodes 3 and 4 for season 6) shared this photo yesterday:

Thanks to WotW readers Balerion the Cat and Kargaryen for their help gathering info for this post!

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Susan Miller, Editor in Chief of WatchersOnTheWall.com

251 Comments

  2. It would make sense that they would give Tyrion some kind of fever dream, or even have him see someone that looks like her, and the show having him momentarily see her (Sibel).

    Or Sibel is just visiting the set… she and GRRM are very good friends so I’m sure, if she wanted to be on the set, he’d get her on there whenever she wanted to be there.

  6. omg! shae the funny whore is back :p
    nice to see sibel in game of thrones again. If it is a fever dream or a flashback, I expect it will be quite emotional like drogo appearing in house of something I can’t remember.

  7. Thank God it isn’t Stannis,i was afraid for a second there . I don’t know what will be the point of a flashback with Shae would be though so i assume she is just visiting .

  8. So they’re still in Meereen in episodes 7 and 8? 🙁

    As for Sibel, it’s always possible. Spotted on set and in the production’s hotel… That’s some evidence right there. A dream, a hallucination? Who knows.

  9. With the excellent hair and make up department, she could also play a new (alive) character that just looks startlingly like Shae. That might be a bigger mind fuck that a dream.

  10. Shae is someone I never would have thought appearing in Meereen of all places! She is not in costume, but she is in photos of cast and crew, who are in scenes. I would find it weird if she was just visiting and appeared smack in the middle of scene set-up. With no GRRM friend in sight.
    Not a book reader, but Where do Whores go?

  11. dragonreborn:
    omg! shae the funny whore is back :p
    nice to see sibel in game of thrones again. If it is a fever dream or a flashback, I expect it will be quite emotional like drogo appearing in house of something I can’t remember.

    I have to say that vision with Drogo and baby Rhaegal was such a welcome surprise. Anytime Momoa is involved with the cast or production is a good thing. (and it’s sweet that even D&D are very fond of the dude)

  14. In my opinion she had the worst performance ever in GoT.With all the respect but I just can’t stand her acting at all,I don’t fell as a watcher she is in character.

  16. During the walk of shame in the books, Cersei imagined people she had wronged as faces in the crowd (Sansa, Lady, etc. etc.). I wonder if they’ll be doing something similar with Tyrion and Shae, like if there’s a mob begging for food or something and calling him cruel, heartless, etc. etc. and he sees Shae among them.

    Tyrion seems pretty stable mentally as of the end of Season 5, as opposed to in the books where by this point (ADWD) he was on the fast track to a nervous breakdown. Maybe the writers will put him through the wringer in Season 6 to get him “on track” with his book characterization, just as they’re shipping off Varys

    so he can presumably get “on track” with murdering Kevan and Pycelle

    . Guilt-fueled hallucinations of the woman he murdered could be some indication of that.

    …On the other hand, the show has pretty firmly stuck to its “No one gets hallucinations/visions/dreams except for Bran” philosophy with only two exceptions that I can think of off the top of my head (Sansa’s riot nightmare and Cersei’s Maggy flashback), so if “Shae” is making an appearance, and if they’re dragging Sibel all the way to Peniscola, I would hope that there’s a compelling plot or character reason for doing so.

  20. Having Sibel back, even for a short dream-sequence makes me really happy. I wasn’t a big fan of bookShae, but I was a fan of what Sibel did with her on the show. Sibel is just so nice and lovely. Now, I know this could be just her visiting her old friends, either way this is great news.
    Also, getting credited at the end of the article makes me more happy than it probably should.

  21. hrrmmm, not really sure what i feel about this. I love her in Die Fremde, but her accent in game of thrones was really annoying.

  22. mau,

    Based on a general statement from D&D (“We won’t spend 4 seasons in Meereen”) that I hoped wasn’t entirely literal (“We will spend 3 seasons, thirty episodes, in Meereen”). I’m wrong, it seems.

    Hopefully they’ll still have Team Dany out of Meereen and maybe even in Volantis by the last few episodes.

  25. Luka Nieto,

    it makes sense to me that they are still there in eps 7/8. Dany isnt heading to Westeros in the middle of the season, that will be an end of season/final scene in character arc kinda thing.

  28. selena,

    Yeah, I expect they’ll leave in episode 10. Then they’ll move towards Westeros, and will probably arrive in the second half of season 7.

  30. Aw, I was hoping for a Rory McCann sighting. Was there ever anything else said about that sighting of him a few months back? Or anything recent?

    Anyways, I’m guessing a dream. Unless they plan on going all soap opera on us and are like “woops, Tyrion! Guess you didn’t strangle her to death after all!”

  33. Mihnea,
    selena,

    Don’t get me wrong, I expected the same thing. But I thought there would be more story between leaving Meereen and leaving Essos. Which… Now that I think about it, may not have been that reasonable. What is there to do in the way to Volantis, or to wherever they’ll stage their invasion of Westeros?

    It’s so tricky to speculate without TWOW in our hands!

  34. Expanding on Shae = FM, wasn’t there a scene in S1 where Viserys talks about having slept with a FM whore? So taking the faces of whores is clearly something they do to get close to those in the centre of the game. Which raises the question of how Varys is involved with the FM.

  35. West of Moon:
    Aw, I was hoping for a Rory McCann sighting. Was there ever anything else said about that sighting of him a few months back? Or anything recent?

    All I remember was the one sighting reported on WOTW of McCann in a Belfast hotel. That was a while ago, though. (July? August?) I can’t remember anything more recent.

  36. Luka Nieto,

    Don’t get me wrong! I can’t wait to get out of Marreen. But I’m also quite pesimistic when that storyline is in question. Deep down I fear Dany will never reach Westeros..

  37. Ser Gerold Dayne:
    In my opinion she had the worst performance ever in GoT.With all the respect but I just can’t stand her acting at all,I don’t fell as a watcher she is in character.

    Then you have a terrible ability to judge acting.

    The only problem scenes for her seemed to be toward the end of her arc, especially when she was playing the wounded-heart lover. Otherwise, she was great.

  41. If Tyrion’s having a fever dream, does that mean he’s going to catch the rumored illness that’s going around Meereen in Season 6? I swear to god, if he dies…

  42. Jeb:
    selena,

    Yeah, I expect they’ll leave in episode 10. Then they’ll move towards Westeros, and will probably arrive in the second half of season 7.

    They could arrive earlier depending on how they travel and where in Westeros they will arrive. From Volantis they could be very fast in Dorne and that could happen between the last episode in season 6 and the first episode in season 7. I hope they do it that way because I’d like to see action instead of too much travelling in Essos.

  43. Maybe they did invite her to be on set just to mess with everyone’s minds. They could meet anywhere else tbh.

    Ugh if those scenes are supposed to happen during episodes 7-8 there would be only 2 episodes left for Dany to arrive in and leave Meereen. I can’t believe she’d not return before heading to Westeros.

  45. I don’t know what people were expecting re: Meereen. Dany’s Dothraki storyline will most likely take at least half a season and they can’t exactly leave without her.

  46. Well, a place called Penis-Cola seems like a fitting place for whores to go.

    I’m still not over the whole Tysha/Shae switch, so although I like Sibel Kekili, I’m rather meh about this piece of news.

  47. Mihnea: Marreen

    Why you always write Marreen instead of Meereen. Is that how it is spelled in your language? I know in my native language Dutch places and people are also spelled differently.

  48. Lisa0527:
    Expanding on Shae = FM, wasn’t there a scene in S1 where Viserys talks about having slept with a FM whore? So taking the faces of whores is clearly something they do to get close to those in the centre of the game. Which raises the question of how Varys is involved with the FM.

    Scratch that: it was Doreah the whore who told Viserys that she had met a faceless man. With a dagger of dragon glass! Had forgotten that dragon glass bit.

  50. Shae is the last thing I would have expected when reading the headline. Yeah, I know, the accent. She is from Germany; was born in the same city as me. You’ll never shake that accent. I spent more than half of my life in the US, and I still have the accent.
    She might just be visiting. Don’t panic folks.

  51. West of Moon,

    There was one item from WOTW that he was believed to be in Belfast for filming. But based on what we know about the Riverlands plot so far, I expect that any appearance he makes this season would be more in the manner of a cameo than a large role, so it doesn’t surprise me if he’s not reported on much.

    If they are having Shae back for some sort of dream or vision (or, I suppose, somebody could use her form as a glamour to mess with Tyrion), that’s another departure from the show’s original rule that aimed to confine flashbacks, dreams, etc. to Bran. Prior to the Cersei flashback from Season 5, the only exception was Sansa’s nightmare, and that was done with pre-existing footage. Maybe with Bran’s story hopefully advancing into new areas, there’s less pressure to try to keep dreams, etc. as a unique selling point.

  52. IrishThrones has scoop I don’t think I’ve seen posted elsewhere on WOTW:

    “S6 GoT Riverlands Location, Corbet- Banbridge Ireland. Construction of what looks like ‘Trebuchet’s’, signifying a threat or siege?”

    IrishThrones is usually reliable for set information, if not for plot spoilers.

  54. If the city will still be a chaos around ep7-8 doesn’t seem like there will be enough time to solve all problems there. I hope I am wrong but it would feel very frustrating to spend 3 seasons there for nothing.

  56. Chilli,

    Haven’t read the books in some time, so I wrote it the way I pronounce it.

    Preaty emberassing for someone who read the books! 🙂

  57. Im pretty sure if she comes back wont be for a flashback. It will be for a tyrion halucination, with his hard time to deal with famine in Meeren, something like Rick and lorry of twd

  58. Kargaryen:
    If the city will still be a chaos around ep7-8 doesn’t seem like there will be enough time to solve all problems there. I hope I am wrong but it would feel very frustrating to spend 3 seasons there for nothing.

    I hope that in the end Mereen will burn. Maybe to contain the illness, or one of those dragons had the hiccups.

  60. The_Rabbit01:
    btw, has anybody seen Grey Worm around? I am just wondering..

    Raleigh Ritchie (Jacob Anderson, aka Grey Worm) has been performing in the United Kingdom for a series of shows that started yesterday and will continue all week. (He’s playing Glasgow tonight.) He’s NOT in Peniscola, even though the rest of Team Meereen is. VERY INTERESTING.

  61. M,

    There have been pictures of Riverrun with the siege engines (and protective wooden walls for the besiegers, too…I don’t know medieval warfare terminology) for about a week now, at least. For some reason WOTW didn’t post them, if I’m not mistaken.

  62. ghost of winterfell,

    I don’t think she is filming atm, she was at a fashion event recently and filming in Navarre has finished, as far as I know. She’ll probably start filming again in Almería (if that set is indeed Vaes Dothrak)
    Of course, she could pop out in Peniscola, but I doubt her presence would go unnoticed, we’ll just have to wait.

  64. Newbietothegame: I hope that in the end Mereen will burn. Maybe to contain the illness, or one of those dragons had the hiccups.

    I hope the pyramids burn but not sure I’d like the entire city to burn lol

  66. My girlfriend just mentioned something interesting: what if Sibel Kekilli is there because she is now somehow responsible for some part of the production, working behind the scenes?

  68. Maester Murks:
    Well, a place called Penis-Cola seems like a fitting place for whores to go.

    I’m still not over the whole Tysha/Shae switch, so although I like Sibel Kekili, I’m rather meh about this piece of news.

    If we literally do find out where whores go (ie: Tyrion will see Tysha again somehow in “Winds”, then the show must do it’s own version/adaptation as “show Shae” is basically (on an emotional level) “book Tysha”.

    I’m imagining 3 possibilities…

    1)A “Vertigo” like use of her. Tyrion keeps seeing Shae in different parts of Meereen (Only unlike “Vertigo”, it’s not actually Shae faking her death! Tyrion is just still obsessed with her and can’t help seeing her everywhere.
    2)Something to do with the Red Priestess machinations.
    3)The “fever dream” scenario

  70. GeekFurious: Then you have a terrible ability to judge acting.

    I recently re-watched season 4 and it’s not that she is that bad when I compare her to some other show but here the standards are just higher.I’m not some movie critic,agreed,but in Laws of Gods and Men for example Peter,Lena,Charles Dance,Conleth Hill all looked stellar to me.Again,I have nothing against her but her performance seemd two class lower compared to the rest of the lot.It’s just that the others are really good.

  71. Arya takes Shae’s face and heads to mereen and tyrion sees her.. This is what grrm meant with the Jon snow tyrion and arya love triangle

  74. Any Souad Faress sightings yet in Spain? Some are guessing she will be one of the dosh khaleen.

    I found a twitter account for her, but it’s not verified. The bio says “actress” and she was in London as of Sept. 26.

  75. Ser Blount Sarkasm,

    There are now pictures of a break during filming and she’s still not in costume so I’d say that pretty much does away with the theory that she’s filming, which is based on the comparatively flimsier evidence that she was spotted on set. Fun to speculate while it lasted, though 😛

  78. Matt,

    If she’s one of the Dosh khaleen, she should start filming from October 10th ondwards, which is when they start filming in the Almería set.

    Mr Fixit,

    We haven’t heard of the Tully actors coming back, but we have pictures of the more recent Riverrun set which pretty much confirm a siege.

  79. I love that they’ll bring back just about anyone except the major character that WAS brought back. You know, Lady Stoneheart.

  82. Mihnea,

    Huh? I never insulted her whatsoever. The comment made by Maester murk and how he said she’s right at home in penis cola triggered my thought of saying u can add Bangkok to the list. After that I stated it is known she once was in the adult film industry prior to her appearing on GoT, and that goes hand in hand with her role on the show. So I believe u either #1, misinterpreted my comment, or #2 falsely accused me of throwing around “insults”, that buzzword that catches the sites moderators to get them to step in. No one likes a dry snitchsnitch. Oh, by the way, pat yourself on the back bc it looks like my comment got deleted. I hope u got a shot of self worth out of the whole deal

  84. We haven’t heard of the Tully actors coming back, but we have pictures of the more recent Riverrun set which pretty much confirm a siege.

    Yep, and they moved all those tents that people were saying were set up too close (which they were) for it to be a siege. Guess they were just there for exposure to the elements to get a more weathered look.

    We NEED Edmure and Blackfish there w/ original actors. Crossing my fingers for no recastings.

  85. Matt,

    The tents are in the same place. It was just the perspective. There are more pictures around, before they started building the siege engines, and you get a sense of the geography; the tents were always far away.

  89. mitch: ’m imagining 3 possibilities…

    I like that train of thought as well. However, I fear our speculation will easily surpass what is most likely the mundane truth to SK’s presence there. 🙂

  90. Arya’s pretty much accounted for this season. That Waif chase scene in Braavos is pretty late in the season, Arya’s blind in 6×03 or 6×04, and we know that she ends up in the Riverlands by the end of the season. Given that 6×09 will be largely devoted to the huge Northern battle, I’m guessing Arya will sit 6×09 out.

    TLDR: there’s no room for an Arya side trip to Meereen.

  92. If there’s one character I would not be hyped to see return from the dead, even in a flashback or hallucination, it would be Shae. When I saw the Dothraki set and read the headline, I clicked hoping for a Viserys flashback/hallucination, and I’m sure many were hoping for Stannis,LS, or the Hound. So to click and see that it is Shae made me laugh a little. Thanks for giving me blue hype balls.

  93. Mihnea,

    BTW, it’s “Meereen” not “marreen”, learn to spell u iliterate bastard…. Now that was an insult, see the difference?….. For the record that was me making a point

  96. God of tits and wine,

    There, there… (patting hand). No sense in getting carried away.
    You are correct, Sebil did what you mentioned. I did not find this to be an insult. The truth is the truth.
    Not everyone gets the tongue-in-cheek humor regarding this.
    Have a glass of wine, take a deep breath and chill.

  101. Ser Gerold Dayne,

    I wasn’t a fan of her performance, either. I’m sure she’s a lovely person, and I’ve heard she did some really good work in a film (I can’t remember the name of it), but she didn’t work for me.

    clouddragon,

    I, too, thought she was better in her scenes with Sansa (I found her much more believable) but otherwise, as I said above, she just didn’t work for me.

  102. Giving some of Tysha’s stuff to Shae, perhaps? I mean she might just be visiting she worked with those people for many years, there are plenty of legit reasons she might just show up to say hi.

    I thought Sibel was great as Shae, and I hope we get to see her again! It isn’t even a tiny bit of a secret that Sibel and Natalia Tena are GRRM’s favorite portrayals on the show, so it wouldn’t shock me if Sibel showed up in a flashback.

  104. Matt,

    God, that comment section makes me appreciate WOTW even more.

    Anyway, glad to see she is back, and I’m curious to see what happens.

  105. Matt,

    Which makes me think we’ve heard very little of Dorne this year…

    My guess is we wont be spending too much time there, maybe a couple Doran / Areo scenes…
    I think the Sand Snakes will be dispatched to various places… taking a wild guess I’ll say :
    Nymeria : King’s Landing.
    Tyene : Oldtown.
    Obara : Meereen ?

  108. Arkash,

    I’m going with Tyene in KL.

    But interesting I also hat a tin-foil theory that Obara goes to ”Meereen” (Happy God of wine?), of course I have no arguments to support it, just a theory that came to me.

  109. Arkash,

    It’ll be interesting to see what direction the SS go in. And Trystane, too. Hopefully one of them gets sent to Meereen and shows up late-S6.

  110. Honestly, I think she might just be visiting the set and her old friends… although it’s possible she’ll appear in some kind of hallucination or dream.

  111. Balerion The Cat,

    That is exactly why I called it out.

    Saying you don’t like how she acts, is absolutly fine, I have quite a few complaints about other actors myself.
    But insulting her crosses the line

  112. West of Moon:
    Aw, I was hoping for a Rory McCann sighting.

    Arg, me too.

    I personally think Sibel is just visiting the set/trolling fans. She was great as Shae but gods I hate that character.

  113. It seems likely that Sibel is just visiting. But if it is a vision the only reason I am fine with Shae being back if Tywin is back as well. She was such an irrupting character. Dany having a Viserys hallucination would be better. Surely there are other ways to imply that Tyrion is not still in a good mental place than a vision.

    If the director of episodes 7 and 8 is there it seems that Dany and Tyrion’s crew is not leaving for a while. My guess has been episode 8 for a while with episode 10 when they arrive to Westeros but I truly hope it could be a little sooner, episode 7 leaving and episode 9 arriving would be much better.

  114. This is shaping up to be the season of flashbacks.Is there any chance that we’ll het the valonqar part of Magy’s prophecy?

  115. If one of the SS go to Meereen I hope she’s the first victim of Raeghal and/or Viserion in Season 6.

  116. Mihnea,

    Matt,

    Personally, the Sand Snake I want to see more of is Nymeria.

    She’s the one that had the least material last season, and for me she’s the most interesting, so I hope she’ll be more fleshed out in season 6 !

    I think she could be a nice addition to the King’s Landing dynamics, but that’s just wishful thinking ! ^^

  117. Nymeria Warrior Queen:
    Ser Gerold Dayne,

    I wasn’t a fan of her performance, either.I’m sure she’s a lovely person, and I’ve heard she did some really good work in a film (I can’t remember the name of it), but she didn’t work for me.

    clouddragon,

    I, too, thought she was better in her scenes with Sansa (I found her much more believable) but otherwise, as I said above, she just didn’t work for me.

    Head On. She’s great it in it. It seemed like they were figuring out how to use her well and how to make Shae less one note than the books around Blackwater. But the character on film didn’t quite make sense.

    Didn’t GRRM allude to more going on in that subplot than meets the eye, that will be revealed later? I remember him saying something like that, but it may have been exaggerated, as with his comments about the butterfly effect and minor Dothraki character deaths leading to… D&D just writing replacements. He may just be referring to a later reveal like the theory the Hand of King mentioned who had a tunnel to the brothels was Tywin.

  118. Mihnea,

    Why is mentioning that she worked in the adult film industry an insult? It is the truth. Look it up. Making a tongue-in-cheek remark about it is not an insult.
    Especially if her character/occupation on the show required her to take her clothes off here and there. So please, inform yourself before you call a post an insult.
    When I read it, it stated the obvious irony. Nothing more.

    Oh, and yes, I am a woman.

  120. If Shae was appearing in a dream sequence/flashback there’d be no reason for her to be in Peniscola as this only serves as exterior shots for Mereen.

    As she was only (really) present in KL, then they’d shoot her scenes in Belfast or possibly Girona. It’s clear from the pic that she’s not phased at all at being spotted, which indicates that she’s simply there to catch up with old buddies. HBO have booked out all the local hotel rooms so they may as well be put to some use rather than lie empty.

  123. Next season, Daenerys spends most of her time with her dead husband’s people. Jon spends his time with his dead lover’s people. What if….. Tyrion in Meereen sees someone, a freed slave perhaps, who looks exactly like Shae? Perhaps a look-alike sister who was sold as a slave to someone in Meereen? It would provide a nice symmetry among the three, since the lovers’ symmetry for these three is already well-established.

  126. Felt Pelt,

    Thanks for mentioning the name of the film. It’s one of those things I’ve been meaning to get to at some point, just because I heard she was good in it, and I’d really like to see her in something where I like her.

    I don’t recall the allusion to which you referred, but I certainly don’t catch everything. I like the idea of Tywin having a tunnel to the whores, though. I could see him being the type who protests very loudly over that in which he indulges…you know, like politicians who harp loudly and constantly on “family values,” and then it’s discovered they’ve been cheating on their wives.

  127. Mihnea,

    I am glad you do. And while we are talking about ‘insults’, how about ‘Lady Whoreheart’ or ‘Whoredor’. Why would these be less insulting?
    Your reasoning does not make any sense to me.
    Well, enough time wasted on this non-issue.

  130. The Snakes are long confirmed for season 6, that isn’t news.

    And yes- do not call Sibel names.

    Shae identified as a whore. You insult the actress that way, however, that’s unacceptable.

  131. Chris,

    It would make sense to go to Dragonstone instead of KL. Stannis is gone as far as we know. Get a foothold there and then move on.

  132. Mihnea,

    Well, since we who are aware of it don’t really know how it’s going to play out , it can be an interesting conundrum for the show too.

  133. Nymeria is the only SS I’m interested in seeing further of – not sure if it’s because she didn’t have many lines (and therefore couldn’t say something worthy of mockery), or I just like Jessica Henwick, but I have a bit of hope with her. I really don’t think they’re going to be a large part of a storyline in Season 6, however. I’d really like to see more of Doran’s personality – I think there’s a lot going on behind those eyes.

  134. Luka Nieto,

    Yes I saw those. Thanks for posting them here Luka.

    So who would the Lannister attack? Did Walder Frey finally go nuts and decided to name himself king of the Middle Westeros?!

    I was told that the show already established Riverrun is theirs by indubitably spoken evidence from Brienne that cannot possibly be hearsay, and a dying man in the road who complained that the Freys raid the Rverlands, so any other option is not correct. At this point I confess that I am beyond curious.

  135. Starting to think about 50% of this next season will happen in the past! With the limited seasons left you’d think there’d be less backtracking and more moving forward.

  137. I think a Shae dream sequence makes a lot of sense.

    She could also be there for a sequence that is more than a dream, maybe something more like Jaime’s vision of Joanna in Feast. We could get a double-punch of Tyrion’s emotions plus an indication that glass candle magic is afoot.

  139. TheTouchOfFrost,

    Boardwalk Empire’s final season was about 20% flashbacks. I doubt GOT s6 will be the same, I don’t think Sibel will be filming for the show, and is instead just visiting the set. And the rest of the flashbacks are actively part of Bran’s present storyline.

  141. Mihnea:
    Balerion The Cat,
    But insulting her crosses the line

    Sibel was objectively the worst actor of the main cast for the first four seasons. Her acting in season 4 was taking the piss tbh, considering who she was working with.

  142. Maester Murks:
    Well, a place called Penis-Cola seems like a fitting place for whores to go.

    I’m still not over the whole Tysha/Shae switch, so although I like Sibel Kekili, I’m rather meh about this piece of news.

    The first part of this made me laugh my *ss off in the middle of work, so thank you!! haha 😉

  143. Pas,

    WHERE IS BRIENNE?

    Getting ready to film her Darth Brienne of Tarth scenes for SWIII.

    TormundsWoman,

    Perhaps now that Kevan is in charge he sends Lannister forces to take RR from the Freys. Kevan was not the cold conniving strategist like his brother, he’s more honorable and just.

    Kay,

    There are at least a dozen sound reasons how Shae/doppleganger/glamoured RP could appear in season 6.

  144. Ser Gerold Dayne:
    In my opinion she had the worst performance ever in GoT.With all the respect but I just can’t stand her acting at all,I don’t fell as a watcher she is in character.

    Gods, so true. I didn’t think anyone could be worse than Emilia, but she takes the cake. Of all the actresses to bring back, or of all the reasons to do flashbacks, this is the one?? Maybe she was after all just visiting the set, we can only hope.

  146. I think team Meereen will see the shitty situation the city is in and will go all like “screw this place, we’re outta here, let them sink by themselves”.

    But something will happen in the meantime and Grey Worm and Jorah will go all like “get to the choppa! We’ll handle them!” and will probably die. The rest will leave for Westeros, along with the dragons and Ghenghis Khal crew or something.

    Just a feeling.

  147. Xanth:
    Rob the Stud,

    It isn’t Stannis because this is a dead character coming back. Stannis isn’t dead.

    Stannis is not dead in the same way that you are most definitely not in denial.

    TormundsWoman: I was told that the show already established Riverrun is theirs by indubitably spoken evidence from Brienne that cannot possibly be hearsay, and a dying man in the road who complained that the Freys raid the Rverlands, so any other option is not correct. At this point I confess that I am beyond curious.

    Meh. They could retcon it I guess. Or just explain in a few words that the Tullys took back the castle.

  148. Luka Nieto,

    I think Brienne was just assuming the Freys had already taken Riverrun because, even in the books, the Freys should have already taken Riverrun and Jaime + the Lannister army have to go there because of the Freys’ incompetence (or you could say because the Blackfish is more intelligent and savvy then all of the Freys combined) 🙂

  153. Mihnea,

    We shall see. Still of the firm opinion that Ned’s conversation with Lyanna at the ToJ is the only flashback that was really needed.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hope not. Sometimes it’s needed to reveal a plot twist but it can come off as poor planning from the folks making it.

    mau,

    Because they’ve announced a couple of flashbacks and Bran appears to not be doing much this season besides having visions.

  154. Name *,

    It seems they’ve been filming the Bolton army for a while now. The location is quite constrained, and with no snow in sight, so I assume they are filming the troops to digitally replicate them and create a larger army in the end product.

  155. M: October 5, 2015 at 1:27 pm

    Arya’s pretty much accounted for this season. That Waif chase scene in Braavos is pretty late in the season, Arya’s blind in 6×03 or 6×04, and we know that she ends up in the Riverlands by the end of the season. Given that 6×09 will be largely devoted to the huge Northern battle, I’m guessing Arya will sit 6×09 out

    We saw Maisie on set with Mark Mylod so that could be into episode 8.

  156. Luka Nieto: Meh. They could retcon it I guess. Or just explain in a few words that the Tullys took back the castle.

    That is a bit of a big flipflop if they do.

    tyjon: Kevan was not the cold conniving strategist like his brother, he’s more honorable and just.

    heh, actually, I would think it more probable that Cersei would do something like this if she gets the idea in her head that the Freys are supporting the Tyrells. Moreover, Kevan seems to be too pragmatic to do something like this: he might dislike the Freys, but he’s not going to wage war to punish someone for dishonorable deeds.

    At any rate, I really hope that they are not going to rehash the stuff from Crows. It was bad enough in the books: I cannot imagine that it would be anything other than awful on TV.

    TheTouchOfFrost: We shall see. Still of the firm opinion that Ned’s conversation with Lyanna at the ToJ is the only flashback that was really needed.

    It cannot be done “cold”: they need to have some introduction leading into it. Moreover, something showing the extraordinary lengths to which Ned went through to get to Lyanna will be very useful for storytelling purposes. Also, it’s quite possible that the extent to which Lyanna (and ?child?) are being guarded also will be telling.

    And, of course, it is a good way to show that Howland Reed was close to Ned Stark if that is important (which many of us suspect that it will be).

    Ultimately, however, it comes down to this: we cannot yet say what is and what is not important about this scene. It is very possible that learning the full details of this will affect Jon greatly in the end. Therefore, the audience has to see it. There are a number of ways in which this might be the case, not the least of which is the possibility that a big part of Ned’s motivations stem from his later feelings about what he did. He killed these people thinking that they were kidnappers holding a hostage: it might have profoudn effects on him (and later Jon) to learn that this was not the case.

  157. I think we are really starting to get out of news. =(

    The first months of filming are always the best.

  158. I’m thinking of going to El Chorrillo this weekend to watch the shooting and take some photos, if possible. But I have some doubts:
    -Will they really start filming the first day (10th) or they usually use the first day in a new city to set up the place, make rehearsals, etc?
    -At what time do they normally film the big chunk of the scenes?
    -Do we know if they are going to close the access to the area and hire security guards? I think that is their normal procedure, like in Castillo de Zafra, but in Girona or Peñíscola every set and actor seems so accesible to the fans… Yeah, I know, I know, they filmed there in the cities, and Almería is going to be more like Zafra, but still…

    Sue? Someone?

  159. igorcarvalho:
    I think we are really starting to get out of news. =(

    The first months of filming are always the best.

    Oh, I think October and Novembre (and perhaps even early December) could bring some interesting stuff from Ireland !

  160. Thanks again for always being on top of things, WotW. I’ve been stuck in bed for a week and counting with a bad virus and checking here daily has been one of precious few lights in this dark time. >_<

  163. Off Topic:
    According to this a season of GoT is about 120 million Dollars (said in 2014). That really is a lot. Do you guys think the number could be about right?

  164. amplifyme,

    True. I don’t know where this shaved strip you referred to is supposed be, but anyway, he could already be done filming his part for season 6 or perhaps the Hound just has a larger beard now.

  165. amplifyme:
    For those of you wondering about Rory McCann, this photo was posted yesterday in the wee hours of the morning. Judging by the length and fullness of his beard and the lack of a shaved strip where his prosthetic is applied, I think it’s safe to say he hasn’t been a part of any filming lately.

    http://iconosquare.com/p/1088264497624632894_204671394

    There is my dear sweet bearded weirdo!

    But….if you wear a cloak and hood covering your face, who needs prosthetics? 😉

  167. How exactly does it work with directors?

    Like, most episodes have scenes from three or four totally different storylines. Do they travel to one set to film the scenes for the episode from one storyline, then travel to another set, then another set? It seems like a lot of travel to direct on 50-minute episode.

    It could also be weird for the actors working with three or four different directors for the same storyline.

  168. Arkash: I think the Sand Snakes will be dispatched to various places… taking a wild guess I’ll say :
    Nymeria : King’s Landing.
    Tyene : Oldtown.
    Obara : Meereen ?

    Why would Ellaria send them there? In particular, why would she send Nymmeria to Kings’ Landing given that there almost certainly would be a death sentence on her? Jaime will figure out who poisoned Myrcella easily enough, after all: and “accessory” is as good as “murderer” to the Lannisters, I should think!

    My bet is that Ellaria & the SS will stick together. If they are in Dorne, then they are somewhere in hiding there: but I am betting that they wind up with someone who they think they can use to strike both at the Lannisters and at Doran. (I’d lean towards Meereen, myself: but that’s just a guess.)

  169. Matt:
    True. I don’t know where this shaved strip you referred to is supposed be, but anyway, he could already be done filming his part for season 6 or perhaps the Hound just has a larger beard now.

    Here’s a picture from his appearance at the Tampa Bay Comic Con a couple years back. You can see where they shave him to apply the prosthetic. I suppose he could be finished filming, or perhaps he hasn’t even begun. Though I trust Sue and her sources, I’m not fully convinced Sandor Clegane will be returning in S6.

    http://41.media.tumblr.com/9b5ff83280885c085b7e1811a7c99cbb/tumblr_msq7ov7v6H1s23fdao3_1280.jpg

  170. I’ve been thinking about Shae, and this occurred to me. Would welcome feedback to see if it makes sense or can be refined (or rejected!).

    THEORY: Sibel Kekilli has been seen on set in Mereen. So it appears Shae may be back, a totally unexpected event. Many theories have been advanced. Mostly of the dream/flashback/fever dream variety. Or maybe she’s just visiting friends on set? I suggested that maybe Shae was a Faceless Man. But as I think about it, I think it’s exactly what it appears to be…Shae in Mereen.
    After Varys convinces Tyrion that Shae is in danger, we see Shae board a boat to Essos. And that’s exactly where she goes. The next time we see “Shae” is at Tyrions trial. But wait…isn’t she in Essos? Yes she is. So who is this at the trial? THIS is the Faceless Man, not Shae. What is the end game of the FM? Well, how does the game end? Tywin is dead. Why is Tywin dead? Because Tyrion found “Shae” in his bed. Well played FM. Not sure who paid you to kill Tywin (Varys and his diamonds?) but it must have cost a lot.
    The nice part about this theory is that there will be a Tyrion/Shae reunion in Mereen. And Shae will learn that Tyrion always loved her. And Tyrion will learn that Shae didn’t betray him. And we’ll learn where whores go…Mereen.
    Anyways, I know there are probably many holes in this theory, which I’m sure I’ll hear about (have at it). I just really want it to be true. It also suggests some very interesting things about Varys and the FM.

  171. amplifyme,

    Looks like that spot is shorter than the rest. Perhaps a slightly longer beard will hide his true identity better under his robe and cowl. So excited for this to happen! Crossing my fingers…

  172. Lisa0527,

    It’s a good theory. Definitly makes the romantic in me all warm and fuzzy. But wouldn’t Shae have to be dead in order for a FM to use her face in the first place?

  173. Chinoiserie,

    There will be Siege of Meereen or some battle. We need some sort of a resolution for Meereen+Dany will hopefully save the day. Unlike Jon, who is not going to save the day like Dany. I have have this feeling that it will be Vale or someone else. Jon will be fighting from the beginning with Stark coalition thatnks to his Stark outfit. After that Westeros and hopefully to skip Volantis and others Essosi cities and straight to Dorne, Dragonstone or elsewhere.

  174. West of Moon:
    Lisa0527,

    It’s a good theory. Definitly makes the romantic in me all warm and fuzzy. But wouldn’t Shae have to be dead in order for a FM to use her face in the first place?

    That’s what I’m wondering too. I couldn’t find a clear answer on that anywhere. Jaqen H’ghar can change his face without using the masks/faces in the House of Black and White. But I couldn’t find out if the face he assumed was the face of a dead man. I suppose “Shae” could also be someone from Asshai, where there are apparently shape shifters, but it seems a bit random to introduce an Asshai conspiracy at this point.

  175. Lisa0527,

    but how would this alleged FM know that Tyrion would go to Tywin’s room after being released, there is no way i can think that that would have been predicted, even Varys surprise at the bells tolling and sudden decision to go with Tyrion on the ship were genuine not pre-planned, but who knows i guess

  176. Roose On The Loose,

    You could argue that Varys has gone to great lengths to get Tyrion out of KL and to Dany. So I’m not sure he’s surprised.

    It just struck me that the real Shae must still be in Essos. There’s no story or details to explain how she ends up back in KL. I’m not married to the FM part, but I don’t think it’s Shae that Tyrion actually kills. At least I hope not. My fingers are crossed for a reunion.

  177. Balerion The Cat,

    Even GRRM has admitted that show Shae is superior to book Shae, something about “If I knew how great Sibel was going to be, I wouldn’t have killed Shae off”.

  178. Ravyn,

    The characters are so different you can’t really compare them; Book Shae is barely a character at all, more of a plot device. The writers and Sibel really made Show Shae into a character of her own, which is really nice. 🙂

  179. Alternative to FM theory: Shae had a twin-sister that only Varys knew about. Once Bronn left real Shae in the boat to Essos, Varys brought out the twin sister and gave to Tywin. Varys told her what to say if Tyrion gets emotional in the trial. Tyrion kills this woman, not real Shae. Which is all totally pointless and disappointing because I never liked the Shae character, in both books and the TV show. I hope the actress is simply visiting the sets, or at most for shooting a 3 minute long fever dream,

  180. aabe,

    aabe,

    Yeah. More secret twins!

    Thought about it some more and here’s how I think it might have happened:

    – Varys is either a FM or in alliance with them (common, unproved theory)
    – Varys sent the real Shea to Essos/Mereen to get her out of the way of fShae
    – Varys produces fShae for Tywin to give evidence against Tyrion
    – Tyrion’s conviction drives an irrevocable wedge between Tyrion and Tywin
    – Varys sends Shae to Tywins bed, and Tyrion to Tywins room
    – Tyrion kills Tywin (as predicted by Varys)
    – Varys has successfully managed to get Tywin killed
    – Tyrion is forced to flee KL, having lost his only supporter in the family (Jaime)
    – Varys ensures Tyrion gets to Dany (even goes with him to make sure)
    – Tyrion meets Shae in Mereen, and has a WTF moment (unplanned)
    – Tyrion begins to think that Varys is up to something. But Varys claims it was all part of his “plan” to protect Shae and Tyrion
    – Varys has a plan. And it isn’t to protect Shae and Tyrion.

  181. Judging by the shit-eating grin that Sibel is giving the camera in full view, I’m willing to bet it’s a good trolling by them rather than an intricate character plot.

  182. aabe:
    Alternative to FM theory: Shae had a twin-sister that only Varys knew about. Once Bronn left real Shae in the boat to Essos, Varys brought out the twin sister and gave to Tywin. Varys told her what to say if Tyrion gets emotional in the trial. Tyrion kills this woman, not real Shae. Which is all totally pointless and disappointing because I never liked the Shae character, in both books and the TV show. I hope the actress is simply visiting the sets, or at most for shooting a 3 minute long fever dream,

    Yeah this could be it

    GRRM seemed to intimate there was a backstory to Shae which makes her more than just a plot device, eg she may be from a Volantis political family and of relevance to the Elephants/Tiger factions balance of power

    And she may be one of two identical twins perhaps?

    Could be Sibel is just visiting the set which I would say is the most likely

  184. I cannot wait to see reactions afters the

    resurrection of Jon

    , distinctively by

    Edd, Ollie, Ser Alliser, Tormund Giantsbane, the rest of Wildlings, the other mutineers, the other nightswatch, the north, Sansa,

    ect.

  187. I’m pretty sure she’s just visiting the set tbh. She’s pretty tight with Peter, Conleth and D and D and Europe’s a pretty small place, so it wouldn’t be an imposition really for her to go there when she has time off from her TV and film work. The only plausible scenario I can think of for her to be seen in Meereen would be if Kivara makes herself appear to Tyrion as her briefly as Mel makes herself appear like Ygritte to Jon briefly in ADWD. But that would be assuming her modus operandi seduction-wise is similar to Mel’s, which I really don’t think it will be. But really she’s a High Priestess and it’s Dany she has to win over, not Tyrion, so that possibility is not something I’d bet on.

  188. TheTouchOfFrost,

    There are 2 Flashbacks confirmed. Young Ned and his brothers at WF, and TOJ, wich won’t take more then 10-12 min. Most likely Bran will see both of them, so Bran also has only 2 Flashbacks confirmed, so your statement about Bran’s story is false.

    So your comment that 50% of this season will be flashbacks is hyperbolic, and simply not true.

    (Of course your comment has the sole purpose of complaining, something it apears you need to do in every thread, even when it is off-topic)

  189. Hype Man Baelish,

    No one said you have to like her. There are many people here who have said that, but in a polite way. You can say that she is a bad actress, that is fine and acceptable if done in a polite manner.
    Insulting the actress is simply not necessary.

  190. According to this a season of GoT is about 120 million Dollars (said in 2014). That really is a lot. Do you guys think the number could be about right?

  191. Kit, John and another dead character were spotted in Belfast yesterday! It was Rose Leslie!! #Deadlovers #Whatsmomoadoing?

    Edit: according to a pic on IrishThrones.. Scratch that, it’s apparently 2 years old..

  192. TheTouchOfFrost,

    Given that Bran is now one with the trees, nearly all of his stuff will be done in the studio. I think it quite possible that he will be nudging and coaxing other characters along through the trees.

    There is also the issue of what Bran is going to do with what he sees. Obviously, he is not going to get up and tell anybody about it. The best he can do is try to put people like Jon, Howland Reed, the Umbers, etc. (just to give some ideas) in the right places at the right times.

    As for the need of flashbacks, GRRM has said that the past is really important to the plots in Winter. Showing the past means flashbacks. The alternative would be exposition: but never tell what can be shown.

  193. Looks like those things in Peniscola weren’t siege weapons: https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12113453_1482840255357883_4914805943077718256_o.jpg https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12080391_1482841048691137_8653212770248114223_o.jpg
    And is this guys in the middle a Red Priest? https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12032733_1482841755357733_5174405288147724731_o.jpg

  194. Mihnea:
    TheTouchOfFrost,

    There are 2 Flashbacks confirmed. Young Ned and his brothers at WF, and TOJ, wich won’t take more then 10-12 min.

    I’m confused now. His brothers? Luka Nieto said something about younger siblings as Benjen and Lyanna, but I swear it was young Ned, Benjen and large boy which could be most likely Hodor or Robert.

  195. Geralt of Rivia,

    Robert has been confirmed not to be there.

    If I remenber right, feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, the flashback is: Ned, Benjen, Brandon and Hodor. The only thing I’m not certain is if there is both Brandon and Hodor, or only Hodor.

    Don’t remenber ever to be said that Lyanna apears in this flashback, altough I can be wrong here.
    But there is no Robert, of that I’m sure.

  196. Balerion The Cat,

    I knew there will be no siege! If there will be a battle it will be a civil war inside Meereen, with Dany Loyalists and Sons of the Harpy, like it was mantioned even in EP10.

  198. Balerion The Cat:
    Looks like those things in Peniscola weren’t siege weapons: https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12113453_1482840255357883_4914805943077718256_o.jpg https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12080391_1482841048691137_8653212770248114223_o.jpg
    And is this guys in the middle a Red Priest? https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/t31.0-0/p180x540/12032733_1482841755357733_5174405288147724731_o.jpg

    those kinda look like gallows..maybe we are gonna see some hangings?

  199. Gravemaster,

    plus Hodor, wich was confirmed to be there. And Benjen was confirmed if I remenber right.

    ”Siblings” implies we will see all of Neds brothers/sister? Really interesting, I don’t remenber a casting call for someone who sound like Lyanna, but of course not all casting calls leak.

  200. Mihnea,

    Sue’s sources had confirmed to her that Ned’s younger siblings were going to feature in the flashbacks. But there was no casting call for lyanna

  201. Mihnea,

    That’s what I was thinking too, and I think some former-slaves will rebel against Daenerys too. Look at this photo: http://i.imgur.com/jglcHYc.jpg , you can see ‘Mhysa is a Master’ written on the wall. Now, that could be written by the Sons of the Harpy but with the famine that’s running in Meereen it wouldn’t be hard to believe that some of the freed slaves could turn against their Mother. Especially now when it seems like she abandoned them.

  202. ghost of winterfell,

    I remenber that! The only the only think I was not sure is if Brandon would be there, but that settles it.

    Lyanna is interesting, introducing her to the audience before TOJ would make sense from a storytelling point of view. But there has been no casting call for her. Or of course there has been one, but we simply didn’t get it.

  203. Mihnea,

    Sue confirmed it about Robert or ? I only trust Sue and her sources.

    Everything is clear thanks to ghost of winterfell. I’m pretty sure it was three young boys (12, 7 and 10-12): Ned, Benjen and the last one is a big and tall for his age but not fat.

  204. Balerion The Cat,

    Exactly what I belive will happen.

    It’s really KL 2.0 for Tyrion.

    I also belive we will get to see the Harpy this season, like Varys said in EP10:”You need to find who your enemies are”.
    Of course if there is a Harpy to begin with, there could very well be no central puppet-master, so to speak. I myself lean more towards no central leader, but more likely couple of leaders, most likely from the ranks of the former masters.

  205. Geralt of Rivia,

    Yes, it was confirmed. I’m 100% sure of this.

    I belive it was, when the false S6 script ”leaked” and Sue said many things are false there, like Robert being in that flashback.

  207. Geralt of Rivia,

    Sue confirmed Ned’s younger siblings. She also confirmed that we would get hodor’s origin story, but there was no confirmation about the third boy, iirc, but its most likely hodor, I guessc

  208. Balerion The Cat,

    The slaves turning against Dany was set up somewhat in ep 2 last season. So that does seem likely. What I am worried is if Emilia Clarke is not spotted in peniscola shoot at all, does that mean Dany does not even reach mereen in S6? That would mean we are in mereen in S7 too.

  209. Balerion The Cat:
    Mihnea,

    That’s what I was thinking too, and I think some former-slaves will rebel against Daenerys too. Look at this photo: http://i.imgur.com/jglcHYc.jpg , you can see ‘Mhysa is a Master’ written on the wall. Now, that could be written by the Sons of the Harpy but with the famine that’s running in Meereen it wouldn’t be hard to believe that some of the freed slaves could turn against their Mother. Especially now when it seems like she abandoned them.

    Remember how in the fighiting pits scene not only the SoTH were wearing masks and attacking Dany and her team + unsullied, but also some former slaves.

  210. ghost of winterfell:
    Balerion The Cat,

    The slaves turning against Dany was set up somewhat in ep 2 last season. So that does seem likely. What I am worried is if Emilia Clarke is not spotted in peniscola shoot at all, does that mean Dany does not even reach mereen in S6? That would mean we are in mereen in S7 too.

    I believe Meereen will implode by the end of S6. Due to famine, illness or the Harpy. Dany will bypass it and head straight for one of the harbors.

  211. Balerion The Cat:
    Mihnea,

    That’s what I was thinking too, and I think some former-slaves will rebel against Daenerys too. Look at this photo: http://i.imgur.com/jglcHYc.jpg , you can see ‘Mhysa is a Master’ written on the wall. Now, that could be written by the Sons of the Harpy but with the famine that’s running in Meereen it wouldn’t be hard to believe that some of the freed slaves could turn against their Mother. Especially now when it seems like she abandoned them.

    Oh I didnt see that pic !

    Nice, yeah, seems definitly to point towards a civil insurrection in Meereen.

  223. Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Gravemaster,

    This better be a hallucination/glamour. I know the actress is close with GRRM. Hmm…….

    Bad part of being a hallucination/glamour: It means Tyrion’s losing it.
    Bad part of not being a hallucination/glamour: Shae’s alive.

  226. Balerion The Cat: Edd, Ollie, Ser Alliser, Tormund Giantsbane, the rest of Wildlings, the other mutineers, the other nightswatch, the north, Sansa,

    Thanks!

    I loved the pic of Unsullied with pink and orange umbrellas! 😀

  227. Pigeon:
    Judging by the shit-eating grin that Sibel is giving the camera in full view, I’m willing to bet it’s a good trolling by them rather than an intricate character plot.

    I’m not sure if it’s time to start being insufferable yet. But I feel it coming…

  228. Lisa0527: I’m not sure if it’s time to start being insufferable yet. But I feel it coming…

    I’d probably hold off for a little bit, but take the time to get fully charged in anticipation!

  229. Wimsey,

    I think they can set it up quite easily without having the fight outside. Still worried that it will lack relevance as why would a viewer know nor care why a number of characters they don’t know are fighting in front of a tower? That’s the thing with backtracking once you start then you can just keep going. Howlands could have been included in the background of the scene perhaps having him talk about the circumstances as he and Ned ascend the stairs of the Tower to reach Lyanna. Too late now though, I guess. We’ll just have to see how it pans out. Still would have preferred the fight at the ToJ to be saved for the climax of a possible prequel but I guess that’s a dream too far.

    Mihnea,

    You obviously didn’t note the exclamation mark in my original post that meant it was definately hyperbole and not meant to be taken so seriously. That or, as usual, you’re spoiling for a fight with someone. Remember when you said you weren’t going to talk to me anymore? Do that, please. Seems to be many more people on here you take pleasure getting into fights with so let them enjoy you.
    Maybe, take a step back and look at yourself as you and a couple of others are really making these forums a less enjoyable place to come. I’ll freely admit I can put my points across in a forceful way sometimes but your niggliness is becoming quite obnoxious.

  230. Mihnea: Or of course there has been one, but we simply didn’t get it.

    There was a casting call that could have been for Lyanna for stuff filmed 2 months ago. It caused some discussion here at the time because we learned about it at the same time that we learned about the traveling troubadeurs, and it caused some confusion from people thinking that this part was for the “carnies” when it had been shot a month before they were filming the carnies.

    Pigeon: Bad part of being a hallucination/glamour: It means Tyrion’s losing it.

    Not necessarily: there are lots of reasons why Tyrion might have a vision in this world that have nothing to do with his sanity.

    TheTouchOfFrost: I think they can set it up quite easily without having the fight outside. Still worried that it will lack relevance as why would a viewer know nor care why a number of characters they don’t know are fighting in front of a tower?

    The issue is entirely the number that Ned has to fight to get to Lyanna. The viewers do not need to know anything about them anymore than do the book readers. After all, none of the Kingsguard have any meaningful character development, yet this scene will probably still have some meaning when we read it in Winter.

    TheTouchOfFrost: Still would have preferred the fight at the ToJ to be saved for the climax of a possible prequel but I guess that’s a dream too far.

    Indeed. A prequel would have been a storyless series of plots: there is next to zero chance that HBO would have gone for such a thing, or that B&W would have been interested in attempting it. Plots written for Story X should be in Story X or not done at all: trying to shoehorn it into a Story Y just creates things like Phantom Menace.

  231. TheTouchOfFrost,

    George has already said he would never do a prequel about Robert’s Rebellion. He reiterated that again last week when there was some fake speculation that they would be doing a RR prequel movie. The only TOJ scene you will ever see is in GOT season 6.

  232. TheTouchOfFrost:

    Still would have preferred the fight at the ToJ to be saved for the climax of a possible prequel but I guess that’s a dream too far.

    The ToJ fight needs to be included in GoT (the HBO show) because everything (book and show) points to it being seminal to the story “here and now”.

    As to prequels… I’m of two minds about them. I don’t see the point of a prequel the main story/endgame/outcomes of which are already known (or in this case will be known when GRRM finally finishes ASOIAF).

    If the prequel has a strong, original story with only tantalising glimpses of how that story will affect future developments… fine.

    I just don’t see the point of “illustrating” already known backstory. Smacks of cynical money-making off hardcore fans by production companies/networks/whatever are the big money behind the entertainment industry.

    GoT is an immensely successful TV show (and I love it!) but making gratuitous prequels and spin-offs would just debase the original show. Sure, the prequels and spin-offs might find an audience, but not as big as the original show, and that would mean shrinking budgets and worsening production values and everything generally going down the pan. An ignomious end to a great franchise.

    I live in a northern European country and watch very little TV so my views probably differ very much from yours (TheTouchOfFrost, in case I fluffed the quoting thing), I just thougt I’d give it my two pence worth.

    I don’t mind if you enjoy prequels or spin-offs, fine by me. I just wanted to point out that ToJ is integral to the ASOIAF story so it cannot be saved for a potential prequel. Even you seem a bit forlorn on the hope of a prequel, so, commiserations. 🙂

  233. talvikorppi,

    A prequel about Dunk and Egg or other histories(Dance Of The Dragons/Blackfyre Rebellions) that most viewers don’t know about could work. Robert’s Rebellion, however, is common knowledge, even for people who haven’t read the books.

  234. Robert’s Rebellion prequel is very unlikely. Events depicted there have no particular worth in and of themselves. They are important primarily as the backstory and character motivation for the current story and current characters.

  235. Tyrion Pimpslap:
    talvikorppi,

    A prequel about Dunk and Egg or other histories(Dance Of The Dragons/Blackfyre Rebellions) that most viewers don’t know about could work. Robert’s Rebellion, however, is common knowledge, even for people who haven’t read the books.

    That’s my point exactly about prequels.

    Dunk&Egg stories haven’t been revealed in ASOIAF books or show, it’d be fresh. A new story on its own right – but also a story that would give some insights to the later asoiaf story.

    I haven’t even read the Dunk&Egg stories but I’ve read so much about them on the forums that I seem to know a lot about them anyway. I’m definitely putting the new book which collects all the D&E short stories/novellas within single covers, and The World of Ice and Fire on my Chrissie pressie list – my brothers always want to have something definite to give to their sister, otherwise they have no idea. 😀

  236. Those who don’t like Sibel, please watch 2 German films where she played the main part: Gegen die Wand (English title: Head-On) and Die Fremde (English title: When We Leave).
    And about dead characters wanted by fans to appear again… like other posters above, I beg the old gods and the new to let Sandor Clegane come back in the show!

  238. I think I remember that earlier this year, in an interview on German TV, Sibel Kekilli said that she would go and visit her old GoT castmates on set in Spain during autumn. So no more of Shae in the series. The character is dead. Pity though. I know some people see her acting as controversial, but I quite like her acting style. It isn’t so smoothed-out and technical as with some others. She has really developed the figure of Shae from a mere sidekick to a multi-layered character, as has also been acknowledged by GRRM.

  240. Let’s try in two parts!

    Wimsey,

    They don’t but they could have if they ever did a prequel. Characters of such reknown (even with little background) deserve to be explored more. Plus I’d argue Jaime has perhaps the most interesting character argument of any character in the whole series during his time in the KG. I’d love to see that on-screen. The KG are generally a fully formed identity with the charaters ,for the most part, being the same. They would be agents in telling his story…as well as that of other characters. Not sure it’ll be revisited in any great detail in Winds, think the vagueness of it is what has made it so endearing to fans. This is partly why I worry that putting it on screen would take away a lot of it’s mystique. Obviously viewers have nothing to compare it to but I would have preferred they recreated it as being quite dreamlike and unclear as the imagination makes it grander than can be done justice on film.
    Have to disagree there. The Lyanna/Rheagar/Robert situation would be enough of a story on it’s own (much in the style of the Trojan War of which I think it’s based on) . Add into that Aerys’s descent into madness, Jaime’s wrestling with his honour vs. his ethics and Ned’s conflict between his sister and best friend fuelled by his vengeance for his dad and brother. You have lot’s of real human stories there which, if handled right, could make for some great TV.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    George says a lot of stuff. If the money and assurance of quality are there I think he’d change his mind. Plus how much of it is in his hands anymore?

  241. TheTouchOfFrost,

    He owns the rights, so it is all in his hands. Even casual viewers(non book readers) know the story of Robert’s Rebellion. As a huge fan, I’d gladly watch, but it is not something George wants to see happen. I think the ‘Dunk And Egg’ tales are the most likely to be made into a show/mini-series.

  242. talvikorppi: I’m definitely putting the new book which collects all the D&E short stories/novellas within single cover

    I was skeptical about the new D&E collection, since it didn’t contain anything new (arrrgh!), but GG’s sketches are a surprising addition to the tales (although I pictured Tanselle differently). I especially enjoy the inclusion of dragons in some of the pictures, like they are lingering metaphors behind the Targ dynasty.

    I recommend the collection if you haven’t read the D&E stuff yet.

  243. Or maybe some red priestess desguises herself as Shae. Remember Jon thought he saw once Igritte, but was Melisandre.

  244. Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I guess we shall see. I think a studio would sooner take a chance with RR as it’s got proven popular characters in it and there’s bridge from the current show. Dunk and Egg would be a massive gamble as it’s pretty much a whole new story and I’m not sure how well that story would cross over to the medium of TV. I think there’s lots there for the show watchers in RR as a lot of stuff has not been fully explored in the story. What actually happened to Ned’s dad and brother, the tourney at Harrenhall where it all went wrong, Jaime’s relationship with the Kingsguard, Aerys’s relationship with Tywin and also his descent into madness and much more. Plus they could explore other things that have been hinted at like Rhaegar planning to take the throne from his own father. Plus with the numerous battles and major events during that time period plus the battles and scenes they could have (although the rape and killing of Elia and her kids may be too far for even GoT as could be the burning and struggle of the Starks) I think it could make an excellent mini series. I can dream!

  245. TheTouchOfFrost,

    Holy hell. I agree with you.

    Only 1 thing tough. They burned a child . No HBO won’t be afraid to do it.
    Of course I don’t expect to see the entire thing, more like Gregor hitting/bending Elia over, and cue to black.

    Or whatever filming tehnique hey think works best. I just don’t belive that HBO would try to ”tame” the story. Wouldn’t feel like GOT if they did.

  248. Lisa0527,

    It’s a good idea. But if the Shae who Tyrion killed is a Faceless (wo)Man, then Shae would be dead. I presume that the man who Arya saved in the,burning cart back in season 2 was a Faceless Man wearing the death mask of a dead man who was once named Jaqhen H’gar. The “Jaqhen H’gar” who Arya followed at the House of White and Black was probably not the same Faceless Man at all, or he,could even have been more than one, just wearing the same mask.
    If Sybil Kelkilly is playing a Faceless Woman, then Shae’s face was rendered after her death, and she may be being deployed to kill Tyrion, at someone’s request.
    It’s a cool idea.

  249. I wonder if anyone will still read this thread.
    To all those who dislike Sibel’s performance as Shae and would have preferred actresses like Demi Lovato better for that part…there are places on the web where such suggestions seriously have come up…you can stay calm. It is pretty certain that she was just visiting former cast and crew members. First, in a German TV interview late in 2014 Sibel had mentioned that she would go and visit her former cast mates on set in autumn 2015. In a red carpet event interview in Germany in January 2016 she confirmed that she would not be part of the cast for Season 6. And as to sightings of her in costume on set in autumn 2015, if you look close at those pictures, you can see that she is wearing her earrings, and does not feature the usual hairstyle of Shae. That means, no wig or extensions, but her real hair in an improvised bound-up. So it is plain to conclude that all that sightings of her on set was just made up to troll fans and to direct fans’ attention away from the John Snow dead/alive question that was a big thing at the time.
    It is true though that GRRM liked the performances of Sibel Kekilli and Natalia Tena best, including the way how they portrayed the differences of their characters from the books in the show, and I concur with that vantage point. So what a pity that we won’t get to see more from these brilliant actresses on the show as it seems.

  251. Kevin,

    Just came here to find out the same. It could be that the part she was in got deleted or may be the show runners brought her for publicity.

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