Hot off the season premiere, HBO has officially released to the press more information about two upcoming Game of Thrones episodes.
The second episode will be titled “Home,” and the third episode of the season will be called “Oathbreaker” as previously reported, unofficially.
Along with the titles comes official synopses and confirmation of which GoT writer will be handling which episode.
Details below the cut!
GAME OF THRONES
MAY 1 AND 8 EPISODES
Episode #52 (season 6, episode 2): “Home”
Debut: SUNDAY, MAY 1 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT)
Other HBO playdates: May 1 (11:30 p.m., 1:30 a.m.), 2 (12:15 a.m.), 3 (9:00 p.m., 4:00 a.m.), 5 (12:15 a.m.), 6 (9:00 p.m.), 7 (11:50 p.m.) and 13 (8:00 p.m.)
HBO2 playdates: May 2 (8:30 p.m.) 6 (1:00 a.m.), 7 (4:00 p.m.), 8 (8:00 p.m.) and 28 (5:00 p.m.)
Bran (Isaac Hempstead Wright) trains with the Three-Eyed Raven (Max von Sydow). In King’s Landing, Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) advises Tommen (Dean-Charles Chapman). Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) demands good news, but has to make his own. At Castle Black, the Night’s Watch stands behind Thorne (Owen Teale). Ramsay Bolton (Iwan Rheon) proposes a plan, and Balon Greyjoy (Patrick Malahide) entertains other proposals.
Written by Dave Hill; directed by Jeremy Podeswa.
Episode #53 (season 6, episode 3): “Oathbreaker”
Debut: SUNDAY, MAY 8 (9:00-10:00 p.m.)
Other HBO playdates: May 8 (11:30 p.m., 2:00 a.m.), 9 (11:40 p.m.), 10 (9:00 p.m., 4:25 a.m.), 12 (11:00 p.m.), 13 (9:00 p.m.), 14 (10:00 p.m.) and 20 (8:00 p.m.)
HBO2 playdates: May 9 (8:30 p.m.), 13 (1:15 a.m.), 14 (4:45 p.m.), 15 (8:00 p.m.) and 28 (6:00 p.m.)
Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) meets her future. Bran meets the past. Tommen confronts the High Sparrow (Jonathan Pryce). Arya (Maisie Williams) trains to be No One. Varys (Conleth Hill) finds an answer. Ramsay gets a gift.
Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Dan Sackheim.
So we have Dave Hill, who wrote last season’s “Sons of the Harpy” writing next week’s episode, “Home” which will feature the return of both Bran Stark and Balon Greyjoy.
Benioff and Weiss will be writing the third episode of the season, where Bran will be meeting the past. Flashbacks are Coming! But as usual, many of the episode phrases and sentences are so vague as to be useless. “Ramsay gets a gift.” Well if there’s anyone who deserves no gift, it’s Ramsay.
What do you think, readers?
Hype!
Brainstorm …
May that gift be
HODOR!
Rickon is coming home! 🙂
🙁
A gift? Rickon??
Bran meets the past
Tower of Joy?Interesting, Looking forward to home and oathbreaker
Nice!
It’s not the “Home” episode though. It’s “Oathbreaker”.
Looking forward to seeing Patrick Malahide again. The Kingsmoot is coming!
Very excited for flashbacks in Episode 3.
I thought both of these titles had been officially confirmed since the 17th: http://watchersonthewall.com/second-and-third-episode-titles-of-game-of-thrones-season-6-now-official/
I got excited when I saw this article, thinking that with Episodes 4 and 5 confirmed, we could see if they matched #s 4 and 5 from our supposed list of ten.
Oh good.. that gift for Ramsey is gonna be Rickon, fookin Smalljon Umber.
Is it possible, that they still do the Jeyne Pool storyline, now that the Boltons lost Sansa?
Just can’t find another ‘gift’.
“Balon Greyjoy (Patrick Malahide) entertains other proposals”
Well…that’s one way to put it lol.
“Ramsay gets a gift.”
I think I know what gift that is, and I’m not pleased.
By the looks of it we might not get anything from the Wall or Sansa in episode 3. Delaying the inevitable just like TWD.
OMG … I’m really worried about that gift … I hope it’s the death of Roose and Fat Walda and not Rickon.
I hope Ramsay’s gift isn’t Rickon. I will be so sad if he or Osha dies.
Greyhounds next episode! So Balon will get at least one scene before
wonder what proposals he entertains? Will we see Euron this episode?
Home. Oh it sounds so unlike Game of Thrones. Hopefully more of Sansa being an absolute boss, looks like the show is doing the Lady Stoneheart story line through Sansa this season. It’s going to be lovely.
Ramsay deserves only one gift. A knife and a bold Sansa to wield it!
Anyone think Bran will open episode 2? I think he’ll have the first scene.
Bwahaha. Gotta love HBO.
I think Jon does get brought back in episode 2 and they end it on a cliffhanger and they wont show us what happens after until episode 4?
I hope they’re just hiding the description about the Wall in episode 3 for a surprise…….
Makes sense, in Ep2 preview Ramsey wants to storm Castle Black. On his way there in Ep3 he stopes by Last Hearth to find Umbers pissed about Jon letting the wildlings trough the wall and hands Rickon over to Ramsey who returns with him to Winterfell and sends Jon the Pink Letter.
Might Ramsey’s “gift” be death?
You think it’s
?
What does “Balon Greyjoy entertains other proposals”, mean? Does it mean we get Euron next episode!?
Just out of interest why do people think “The Gift” will be Rickon? I must have missed something somewhere. Is it just wild speculation or is there substance to it.
Lady Mychelle,
That’s what I thought! The gift of death!
From the synopsis I can’t really tell what Oathbreaker would refer to. So maybe it refers to Bran’s storyline. Could be in a vision in which an oath in the past was broken.
Apart from that, could Daeny maybe miss next week? And I feel we should meet Sam as well. Sansa is in next episode according to the Preview.
So yeah. The gift is surely
I really hope the gift Ramsay gets will be like some pants or a new shirt.
Please be that.
Please.
Episode 2: looking forward to “Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) demands good news, but has to make his own” the most! 😀 R&V!
Episode 3: Daenerys at Vaes Dothrak. Bran sees children playing at Winterfell (past)? What answer does Varys find? Who the Harpy is?
Ramsay’s “gift” and the one who is giving him the gift – breaking an oath.
Jack Bauer 24,
Doran taught me 😛
He could have two short scenes or a longer one like Sansa and Theon did in episode 1.
That’d be a massive round trip, when his plan all along is to attack Castle Black. Also, LH is to the East of Castle Black so Ramsay would have to pass there first. My guess is Ramsays gift is either news of Rickon or Sansas whereabouts, or a dead Walda. Surely it’s too soon for Rickon to be taken by the Boltons?
I’m also intruiged by this new WF Maester that we’ve seen twice in episode 1.
The gift is obviously Ghost’s pelt. Duh.
If it does happen, I don’t think we see a John Snow revival until after the Bran “Tower of Joy” flashback.
Ser Axel Hildemar,
I’m with you. If “the gift” is not a new pair of pants, perhaps its another 20 good men.
The likely alternative is too disturbing.
The submissive maester serving a horror, from the casting calls, isn’t he? Nothing to do with LSH, then. I’d say “Ramsay” qualifies as a horror.
So is Dany not in Episode 2?
Unfortunately, like others, I too believe “Ramsay gets a gift” refers to
Could they make the episode synopses sound any less exciting?
That pic of him is from this season right? So he’s by the fireplace in one scene, but has to
. I wonder if it’ll be one long scene or not.
My god, Dorne was absolutely abysimal.
I’m so baffled I can’t even get excited about the next episode yet.
Jack Bauer 24,
Doubt it. She arrives in episode three, we know that. If we her on the way, it’ll be just to catch up with the storyline and nothing else.
Still no Sam and Gilly?
What if the show plays it off that it really is Ramsey’s birthday?
Great catch! I’d say you’re right! I’ve gotten off the LSH train again anyway… There’s simply no time to introduce the story now with the number of eps we have left.
My best guesses.
Bran trains with the Three-Eyed Raven – Bran is probably told they will be seeing into the past, and Bloodraven reveals who he is.
In King’s Landing, Jaime advises Tommen – Jaimie is probably going to empathize with his son and takes on the new mission of doing anything he can to have Margery released (even though Cersei wants her to remain imprisoned).
Tyrion demands good news, but has to make his own – The scene from the trailer when Tyrion talks about dragons being captive probably happens here. He’ll attempt to release them but has a change of heart.
At Castle Black, the Night’s Watch stands behind Thorne – The scene from the trailer happens, with the NW trying to kill Davos and the Jon supporters. But Ed and the Wildlings return and kill the NW members that stood behind Thorne’s decision.
Ramsay Bolton proposes a plan – Ramsay sends a pink-letter to Castle Black, addressed to Jon, demanding that they send back Sansa and Reek.
Balon Greyjoy entertains other proposals – Hm. Perhaps Balon is advised by someone to try and ally with the Targarian girl? But instead he gets murdered by Euron.
Oathbreaker
Daenerys meets her future – Dany meets all of the former Khaleesi’s and gets to know them, probably befriending a few.
Bran meets the past – I bet this is a flashback where he gets to see a young Hodor, something Bloodraven shows him. Bran might feel bad for warging into Hodor.
Tommen confronts the High Sparrow – Tommen goes into the Sept to negotiate Margery’s release back to the Red Keep. He wouldn’t go alone, though, would he?
Arya trains to be No One – Arya probably passes the blind test at this point.
Varys finds an answer – I was going to say Vary’s decides to use a red priestess for some gain, but isn’t he against that? So maybe the answer he finds is back in Westeros and he decides he has to go back across the narrow sea to do something. Maybe he gets the news that Doran is dead and the Martells are gone.
Ramsay gets a gift – It’s Rickon isn’t it? The Umbers are pissed about the Wildlings settling into their lands so they finally align themselves fully with the Boltons.
The interesting thing about some of Bran’s visions is that they could be moved around in different episodes, similarly to how Barristan’s death was not originally planned in episode 4 (from what I have heard here).
Perhaps in episode two Bran uses weirwood.net to look into events we know from the show like the Red Wedding and Jon’s death. He doesn’t know these things happened, so it would be interesting to see his reaction and his wish to change the past (“The past is already written. The ink is dry.”) We’d also need to catch up on Meera after Jojen’s death and Hodor.
Of course, the opposite of what I think could very well happen :P.
Apollo,
Now that I think on it though… Rickons betrayal ties in with the Oathbreaker title. I wonder if we’ll see Jaime kill Aerys in Brans visions of the past in this ep?
Looks like we’re getting Tower of Joy and Jon’s return in episode 4, I can see Bran getting a glimpse of the past in episode 3, probably the sparring scene with Ned and Brandon
Connor,
If Jon comes back in episode 2 (sadly, I don’t think it will happen just yet) it would make sense to not show him in episode 3 just to tease everyone.
But the Oathbreaker title does fit Jon’s story with the NW oath, so maybe he does appear
Bran meets the past
I think here we will see the vision of Jaime killing the Mad King instead of Tower of Joy since its titled Oathbreaker
Is it too much to hope that the gift is
Jack Bauer 24,
IF Ramsey gets Rickon in Ep3 he will have plenty of time to make himself a new “Reek” out of him to replace the BFF (Theon) he lost…
Lady Mychelle,
If the gift is Death, as you suggest, will a FM give it? And who would that NO One be?
Jack Bauer 24,
Yes it is.
It might work right?
Ginevra,
Me too. Ugh. I was wayy too hyped for that one.
Where’s LF in all of this? When will we see him again?
Connor,
He could have also…..you know…..
Connor,
Oh My sweet summer child 🙁
When Jon is resurrected wouldn’t he be relieved of his oath rather that him breaking it
I’d say Varys’ answer is from his little birds, giving information on the leaders of the SOTH.
Kamali,
What if the Oathbreaker is Ned breaking his “promise” and Jon is staying dead.
Off topic but I haven’t heard many reactions to the After Thrones snooze fest.
The episode summaries are short, vague and never mention all the storylines that happen in the respective eps. Like just because there’s no mention of Dany in ep 2 doesn’t mean she sits that one out. It gets to a point an arc can be too spoilery even as a one liner. There’s nothing in ep 3’s description that could relate to the title. Unless you count the Umbers breaking their vows to Robb and handing over Rickon. But I doubt that will be thehallmark of the episode.
🙁 That’s what I am thinking. 🙁
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Only a king can do that
Episode 4 is 59 minutes according to the HBO schedule. I predict that is Tower of Joy and Jon rising.
BroMM,
How do you figure that? Wouldn’t Sansa have to die?
Ser Axel Hildemar,
could the gift be help from another house? Could be the build up to the fight that we know is coming between the Boltons and their supporters and the wildlings with or without reanimated Jon (and possibly Brienne and Sansa somewhere not far away).
Varys finds an answer …. Littlefinger is the Harpy???
Regarding the third synopsis, Dany meeting “her future” makes me wonder if James Hibberd was wrong about that Vaes Dothrak clip being from episode 2 rather than 3, since I’m not sure it makes sense to have the grand entrance to Vaes Dothrak in one episode and then introduce the Dosh Khaleen the following week. If the show is consolidating stories more, as it has been the last few seasons, I think it’d be better to have those moments together.
Rickon coming back after 3 years is a pretty big hallmark.
Luka Nieto,
The ‘submissive maester’ wasn’t the person serving a horror, you’re confusing them with ‘Bower’ from the casting call.
Submissive Maester: The show’s casting a maester in his twenties- a timid young maester. He’s decent but has trouble standing up to others. He appears in one episode.
The maester last night seemed quite a bit older. I wonder if this is a different one altogether.
Luka Nieto,
Wolkan is not a new character. He was in season 5, apparently. Also, wasn’t there only one scene of him? Time to re-watch the episode.
Kamali,
The area south of the Wall is called The Gift.
“Bran meets the past” in episode 3, Do you think we’ll get ToJ then or something else?
No Missandei, Grey Worm, or LF?
Sean C.,
It wouldn’t just be Hibberd being wrong- the footage HBO sent all of us was labeled as episode 3. It seems unlikely they’d switch a scene out of an episode this late in the game, though not impossible.
We haven’t see them since 509, so that’s a pretty long time not to catch up with them at all. If they are
?
Nah, I think that the gift will be Roose dead. I think those flayed men in burning cross are meant as a warning to the Boltons. Next episode I fear Jon will be resurrected but Tyrion will sadly die.
You cannot have it all in an episode synopsis. They’re short and ambiguous for a reason.
Hibberd said it was from episode 2 though, not 3.
Jack Bauer 24,
Tyrion dying next episode?
I didn’t know that. That makes me think that Jon will come back before episode 4, then.
Am I the only one who’s excited about Varys finding an answer ? Will he find out who the Harpy is, or maybe something about Tyrion if he survives releasing the dragons ?
Jack Bauer 24,
Gotcha. Yeah well- the clip was labeled episode 3 from the get-go so …yeah not sure why he’d say it was from episode 2 if he hasn’t seen the episode.
Ramsey proposes a plan in Episode 2: Home – he is going to Winterfell with his father’s army. In the meantime, Brienne, Podrick, Sansa and Theon head to Winterfell. Edd is rounding up the Wildlings to fight for Jon’s honor. Tyrion gets in the line of dragon fire while he is in the dungeon at Mereen and doesn’t burn revealing Targaryen blood. “Dragons don’t burn.” Episode 3: Most everyone has made it to The Wall. The Wildlings, Brienne, Podrick, Sansa, (who will avoid any fighting of course) Theon, Davos, Edd and the few “faithful” Night’s Watch are heading into battle against the Flayed Army. Ramsey gets a gift? Brienne grabs Ramsey by the ears and hands him over to Theon and Sansa who “have their way with” him. The gift? DEATH. Bran will see visions of a young Ned Stark which reveals Jon Snow’s true parents – R + L = J and possibly Meera as his twin???? which in turn leads to a HUGE reveal at the end of Episode 3: Jon rises from smoke and salt. And the end begins. Jon, Dany and Tyrion are the three heads of the dragon and will be the dragon riders that cohesively lead the final battle against the White Walkers. Vaerys finds an answer – is Podrick Young Griff? The Hound will be the Priest walking around helping the poor and will have a final battle with The Mountain (all imo of course and with an open mind and heart to hear yours!) THANK YOU WotW! Without you and my fellow fans, people would say “you know nothing, daisy” 🙂
I think it is Jaime and his speach with High Sparrow, where he admits his sins in front of him. It’s a contrast to Briene. Maybe he gets a new sword and names it Oathbreaker ?
Jack Bauer 24,
Yep. And the Greyjoys will probably close it out.
Hopefully that gift is a sword through his gut! 😀
This is especulation of course, but I´m totally sure that the Harpy is Daario, call it spider-sense hahaha.
The flashbacks fron Winterfell more likely. ToJ should probably be in the same episode as Jon’s ressurection
Tower of Joy is in Episode 5 or 6, it won’t be sooner. Jack Bender directed it.
Flayed Potatoes,
I’m sad to say I agree with you … hadn’t thought of that … but it makes sense.
OMG, enough for Dorne, it was ok. The only thing not to be forgiven is that they cut so much from the show and then say it’s only 13 episodes left, well no wonder- Why not to introduce Griff and Aegon and to invite some great actors just to kill them in the next episode ?
teunteulai,
Yeah, you probably want some relatively “basic” flashbacks earlier in the season. You really want to build up to that huge one later otherwise the rest will be a bit of an anticlimax.
Hope we don’t have to wait until mid season for Jon.
How could he control Meereen then being away with Jorah ? I doubt he uses Whatsapp to instruct them
Luka Nieto,
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. It’s likely another case of “Sam meets an old man” where the writer of the synopsis takes things entirely out of context to throw us off. His gift might not be as pleasant or positive as the wording implies- it could just as easily be some decapitated head of one of his men as it could be something else (ie Lord Celwyn offering his men or something). You really shouldn’t take these synopsese seriously.
YES!! It’s time for Euron motherfoockin’ Greyjoy! I’ve been waiting for this since season 4.
Brace yourselves, a Storm is coming, the first Storm and the last!!!
“Balon Greyjoy (Patrick Malahide) entertains other proposals.”
Lmao, that’s almost as good as “Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman” from season 2
What future could Dany be seeing? Hmm… does it have anything to do with the red priestess from the trailer who was talking to Varys & Tyrion?
I don’t know why everyone wants those two moments to happen at the same time. It would be epic, yes, but both of them imply and/or reveal different things imo.
Connor,
I don’t expect Jon back until we see the
. Maybe not even then. They’re going to drag this out as long as possible, I’m afraid.
Sue the Fury,
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEovZj1C4KO/
Love this guy!
Oh no… Ramsay’s line from the second trailer just stood out to me: “Do you like games, little man?”
Yup… RIP Rickon. 🙁
THIS!
Episode 3 seems like the right time for Jon. Episode 2 they have to deal with the mutineers and get all the right people in place and there’s too much else to cover to see them going back to it in the same episode. They’re gonna wanna build up the fight and act like there’s a chance Davos loses even though they’ve shown him leading an Army later in the season.
Also, ‘entertains other proposals’ sounds like the most euphemistic way I’ve heard of saying ‘get’s murdered.’ Maybe a little bit happens before that, but it seems like the whole point of waiting so long to start the Greyjoy plot was to not drag it out like the book does.
I’m terrified of Ramsay receiving a gift. That definitely sounds like Rickon and is horrible news for House Stark. Can’t just let them finally have a victory without first suffering even more tragedy, right? Between the Baratheons and Martells already being completely wiped out and the Arryns and Tyrells on the brink of extinction, it seems the best thing about the Lannisters and Starks is there’s a lot of them and they’re really spread out. Bran better learn he can still breed or Benjen is still alive.
Just imagined the final scene in an episode with Daario stripping and taking off the jewels and he appears to be a 1000 years old Harpy. Or an ancient creature with Benjen’s body, Euron’s face and Coldhands’ … hands ?
Well… he could have given orders before go out, while she is out to find Daenerys the Harpies are trying to destabilize the city until he comes back.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Only the crown can legitimize bastards, unless they’re gonna secede from the 7 kingdoms again.
By the end of episode 1, Jon is dead for almost a entire day. I can’t see him staying dead for much longer, especially that Lady Stoneheart was dead for 3 days and came back almost like a zombie. Jon can’t be too different from his original self.
There is nothing in that cast description that says the character is a maester. The name is Bower and he was supposedly filming with the “outlaw band” in the Riverlands, so, nope, we haven’t seen that character yet.
Oh god hahaha, seriously that “theory” if we can call it that of Daario being Benjen or Euron is one of the most stupid things i´ve read in my life lol.
I´m curious…are the episode ratings out?
I can’t remember, but I feel like episode 6 was the one that signs pointed to as having the ToJ flashback – not that I’d complain about it being earlier! MY BODY IS READY.
Oathbreaker could refer to a few characters, and the titles tend to lend themselves to more than one storyline.
Oh thank goodness for you! I was getting so depressed reading that everyone thought Rickon would be Ramsay’s new toy for destruction. Especially since Art Parkinson has grown into such a handsome, charming young man, and a spirited actor. Saw his performance in “San Andreas” and he was adorable. Was having all sorts of good feelings thinking of his and Sansa’s reunion. Not that he was going to be fodder for that demented ass. Sorry Iwan.
Yes, it’s got to be death. By whose hand, I don’t care. Walda is a Frey. She’s sweet herself, but has that Frey treachery running through her, if she chooses to avail herself of it. Maybe she’ll realize what Ramsay is and do the deed herself.
Alex,
The difference, though, is that Catelyn’s body was rotting away in water, whereas Jon’s body is being better preserved because he’s in a very cold climate location.
Can’t he?
I dunno. Maybe, if they aren’t doing LSH, D&D incorporate certain aspects of her into Jon? (gulp!)
I think Jon Snow will be resurrected in the same episode as the ToJ scene.
Freyjoy,
That would have been masterful! A great twist!
If Starks win the North back and Ramsey dies … yout hink Sansa will bend the knee to Tommen and Cersei????
Sansa will be a queen and a queen can legitemize her bastard brother if she rules the North.
Tell that to Bear Island: “We serve no King but the King in the North, whose name is Stark.”
If somehow Sansa finds herself “Queen in the North” by season’s end I think she could legitimize anybody she liked and the Northern Liege Lords wouldn’t complain too much, in particular if that said person to be legitimized had just distinguished himself in battle…
Sue the Fury,
Oh, sorry. Then this Bolton maester was code-name “Bower”, I guess.
One of Roose Bolton’s 20 good leeches,
He was mentioned and maybe seen in the background played by an extra, but this is the first time we’re properly introduced to him, isn’t it?
Rickon…….nooooo…..i’m already heart-broken…..i think i’ll skip all the Bolton-parts in nxt few episodes
Even if Jon Stark himself flays Ramsay (not happening) it still won’t do justice now to Ramsay.
The filthy sadistic bastard of a treacherous Stark bannerman got to shamefully strip Lord Eddard Stark’s eldest daughter of her dignity and will now torture his youngest son (not forgetting castrating his ward who he brought up like a son)…after his father had Lord Eddard’s eldest son and heir and wife slaughtered…..
I mean….i think this story’s milking it too far in trying to shock us!!
Xanderen,
Take that horrible idea back. Seriously, the voice from the trailer sounds a bit like Ramsay and egh. It wouldn’t be a season without the Starks suffering. Like a lot.
Marco,
Agreed. I think The Three Eyed Crow will show Bran why Jon is important. Hopefully Jon will be resurrected at the end of EP 2! This waiting is just cruel. LOL
Ser Roger Sterling,
That’s a good point, but seriously, do you guys think they will drag his return this much? I hate when they stall story points. Jon coming back at episode 3 would be the ideal for me, more than enough to build suspense too. if it’s later than that (and I know it’s highly possible) I will be disappointed. Half a season without my favorite character will suck.
She just told you the maester is not Bower.
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Geralt of Rivia,
It’s Ramsay’s voice, no question. They just cut it with footage of Tyrion to be misleading.
Why would a queen legitimize her older bastard brother… he would then have rightful claim over her, making him King and demote her back to princess… I don’t think even Jon would want that.
Some interesting things here. So Arya and Braavos will be in the first three episodes, which I hadn’t expected. As will Ramsay and the WF story. Surprising.
In terms of season debuts next week, we’ll surely see Missandei and Greyworm, Jaqen, Tormund, Bran and gang, Balon and Yara.
Some others will have to wait for episode 3 at least, like Sam and Gilly, Littlefinger, Loras and Mace, Bronn.
Then there’s a couple of KL characters left whom I wonder when and in which scenes we’ll be seeing them for the first time this season like Olenna, Kevan, Pycelle, Qyburn and Lancel.
Obviously there’s also a couple of characters we shouldn’t expect to see until the second half of the season like Walder Frey, the Tullys, Robin Arryn & Yohn Royce, the BWB.
What he is getting at is the way he will be when comes back from the dead, if he’s dead for more than 3 days, he won’t be himself anymore.
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One of the things that was interesting last night was that all of the plotlines here seemed to be following their own timeline. The events at the Wall and the North all took place in less than a full day shortly after the end of “Mother’s Mercy”, whereas Braavos, Dorne, Essos and Kings Landing were all set weeks after they last let off. Maybe the show always has done this, but I’ve never noticed it before.
Xanderen,
The question is when will all this happen. I would be too early for Starks or Mormonts to ally themselves with Wildlings just yet. It will happen later on as we saw Davos at Bear Island and Mormonts were fighting with Wildlings at the Battle of Bastards from the trailer. If the gift is Rickon from episode 3, then Umbers betrayed Starks just like that. Siding with Boltons because of Starks/Mormonts stance over Jon/Wildlings would make more sense, so gift might not be Rickon. But it might be Umbers are simply trecherous scums.
And, ugh, more training scenes for Arya. Maisie is an action figure – please, no more sweeping. But I guess now the training will be learning to bash in the Waif’s head. Yeah, that will be ok.
Yep. His soul would come back too different, etc. And that can’t happen, he needs to unite the north and the wildings, fight the Boltons and the WW.
Well if the queen in question has no heir if she dies (like Robb in the books) she would be smart to ensure the survival of house Stark.
And Jon being a former bastard would only come after Sansa and her possible children in the line for Winterfell …
Two episodes with Bran!!! So happy. I wonder if we’ll catch up with Meera and Hodor too. I can’t wait to see an angry (?) Meera.
In that way they are actually mirroring the books.
George’s chapters are not really organized in chronological order either.
Oh, by the way, Rickon/Art Parkinson isn’t that sweet, cuddly little boy from Season 3, Ep 9 who protested he couldn’t go with Osha because he had to stay and protect Bran:
Rickon: I’m coming with you. I’m your brotha. I have to protect you.
Bran: Right now, I have to protect YOU. Robb’s at war, and I’m going beyond the wall. If something happens to us, you’re the heir to Winterfell. You know how to find the Last Hearth?
Osha: You Southerners build your big castles and you never move. You’re easy to find.
Art is at least 5’7″ now, probably taller, and, as Rickon, will have been well-raised in the strength of the north. I don’t think Rickon is Ramsay’s gift. I refuse to. Rickon will be heir to Winterfell, as Bran said.
viki,
He would be just behind her in terms of succession. Trueborn will always have the stronger claim. At least Sansa said it to Ramsay. Trueborn > bastard/even legitimized one. Isn’t it?
RBloodworth,
Yes indeed! It has been done all the time. When we see SS for the last time was on the dock while Myrcellas boat was still in sight. If the 2 SS for example got aboard another quicker vessel they would have been able to reach KL’s shores a few hours later than Myrcellas vessel. Another solution would have been to go on horse to the other side of the Dorne peninsula and take a boat from there. There are of course discrepancies every time but not to the extent that they disturb the narrative flow…
Thronetender,
Rickon at 5’7″ is just the right size to become Ramsey´s new Reek.
Reek it rymes with Rick 🙂
Braavos wasn’t weeks after Mother’s Mercy. Probably a day or two.
I’m just trying to put this Jon Snow Puzzle together!
We established the hold up with Davos and co in room, ed gone to get wildlings, Davos wants Mel’s magic (which was reconfirmed)
Picture of Mel on horse
ToJ either
Narrows down
Episode 2 promo indicates nights watch fight with Davos and later
Wildlings.
We know in the trailer she has another meeting with Davos saying “it was all a lie” can’t imagine this takes place during a fight scene. So that narrows it down to episodes 3/4 possible end of 2
Episode 3 seems like Ramsay getting
I can’t imagine they are going to do this with no Jon definitive status.
If I had to bet. I’d say he comes back in episode 2 end scene, or 3. Episode 4 seems too drawn out, and quite frankly milking it. Having said that the LIKELY SENARIO is Jon is resurrected episode 2 ending. Sits out episode 3 and possibly 4. Giving set up time for
Tyene is wearing the same outfit in “The Red Woman” that she was wearing in “Mother’s Mercy”.
Maybe Ramsay’s gift is a sister 😉 Wouldn’t that just throw all expectations out the window!
No way is he resurrected and then sits out two episodes in a row.
I would be truly happy to see both Rickon and Robin Arryn come back as these formerly young/wimpy kids and now little warriors in their own rights, having been trained by the Umbers and the Royces respectively.
Essos isn’t weeks later either. Jorah and Daario haven’t been on her trial for weeks.
Like the most theories with those characters, haha. Still think that Missandei is a Harpy, maybe she got disappointed with Dany, dunno. In the books it would be Galazza Galare, but in the show … Who was it hiding and watching at Tyrion and Varys ?
Patrick Malahide has been gone for two seasons he gets only one episode?
I see Jon snow coming back in around episode 5 or 6.
At the latest.
Should be out tomorrow morning.
I don’t think it’s likely he will return in episode 2, but I sure hope it happens. The most likely imo is episode 3.
Vysen1,
One can assume everything at the wall should be tied up by/in ep 3…right?… So … A man is hopeful.
RBloodworth,
The events in the the North and at the Wall should also logically be weeks apart, since Mel and Sansa left their respective locations on the same day, but Mel traveled all the way to the Wall before the end of 510, whereas Sansa in 601 is still on that particular day.
Adam with one D,
A man is really hopeful.
I hope we don’t get a situation where Jon gets resurrected and the next day he’s out swinging his sword on a certain battlefield without thinking about what just happened to him (and us seeing how it changed him). I want some character development dammit…
Also two consecutive episodes with Bran! Thank you R’hllor.
Ginevra,
Same here. It’s lazy reporting, actually.
I was really disappointed.
The gift may be that Walda has a girl.
Boojam,
As much as I like the actor, I don’t think he needs any more, do you?
No he wouldn’t. That would be a paradox, as in that scenario Jon’s legitimation would be contingent on Sansa’s queenship being valid; it wouldn’t suddenly become invalid if he was legitimized.
No. One episode with Balon to to what needs to be done is all we need. Same with David Bradley. I think we’ll only see Walder Frey in one episode.
Jack Bauer 24,
And Daenerys was wearing the same dress in the Gift and the Dance of Dragons. Queen of Thornes was wearing the same dress the whole season 3 and Catelyn wore the same dress all the time and Jorah is wearing the same yellow shirt since season one, doesn’t he have another shirt to change? etc, etc. Are we going to compare what dresses the characters are wearing in every episode in order to judge the quality of the show? I admit that Elaria’s and Tyene’s outfit gave the impression of continuity from ep 10 but the that didn’t deduct from the fact of how amazing the whole scene was.
I think Bran in the next episode will want to try and change the past, but then Bloodraven says the line from the teaser back in December, Isaac did say in one interview that his teenage tendencies will take affect, my bets he will see the death of Jon and his mother and brother from the Red Wedding.
Phew
Gotta have Jon awakening next episode at the end, and then no Jon until Ep 4.
Theres been so much speculation, leaving him actually coming back until mid season would feel like a cheat.
Green Chili,
Please be more careful about spoilers- this is not an open-spoiler post!
EVERYONE, you should be covering your spoilers in this thread of discussion.
RobotGiskard,
Pardon? Your disappointment is your issue, in this case. Considering that several TV vendors were reporting the second episode title as “Homeward Bound,” it is news that HBO put out an official press release confirming the title today, as opposed to the previous news that the online schedule simply was being updated. This puts an end to the debate that had been going on regarding the episode title.
I agree 100%. If I were a betting man, I would put all my chips on the end of next episode, in the aftermath of the fight between the Mutineers and the Loyalists/Wildlings. They’ll have to burn all those newly butchered Mutineers, and they’ll have to burn Jon’s body as well. My hypothesis is that when they burn his body, Jon rises from the flames similar to Daenerys is Season 1. It will be the life paid for by Shireen’s sacrifice, so in a circuitous way, it will be Melisandre who brings him back, but not in the Thoros of Myr style. Seeing Jon rise from the flames will bring the Wildlings behind him irrevocably (he is the one being spoken to in Tormund’s trailer line about the man to lead them through the Long Night, but it was Mance that Tormund referred to). It will also restore Melisandre’s faith in R’hllor.
I think we’ll see that Melisandre/Davos conversation where she says her fires lied to her early in the next episode, before Jon comes back.
Jack Bauer 24,
Thank you for your reply 🙂
I honestly don’t get this desire to have Jon come back so soon. I want hi resurrected once it’s appropriate and the story earns the moment, not to just satisfy his fan base.
I don’t care what he is getting at. The point that she was rotting in the water for 3 days and jon not being in the water, but in a cold climate remains.
clk,
Eh, I liked Osha especially with Bran. Couldn’t care less about Rickon.
teunteulai,
I thought it might be the Red Woman we saw in the trailers .
GUYS! I just thought of something regarding that Ramsay “Little man” quote.
Edd is one of the shortest men in GOT, shorter than even Jon and Bran ( and certainly shorter than Ramsay). It’s possible Ramsay will get to the wall, find only Edd as LC and a handful of dudes and no Jon or Sansa. He’ll then at some point use the ” do you like games little man?” quote on him since he sounds pissed in the trailer and it would be pretty fitting if Edd is lying to his face.
Of course he can’t touch Edd, since Roose will likely prevent him from slaughtering the Watch.
Rickon couldn’t be considered a man. Rickon won’t turn up so early. Umbers won’t be introduced until much later. You. Guys. Need. TO. CHILL.
Kingslayer?
“Ramsay gets a gift.”
Please don’t be Rickon. Please don’t be Rickon. Maybe a new puppy named Miranda?
Geralt,
That is something which seems to be confirmed as you say, but it still puzzles me. Either they really wait until episode 5/6 with Jon leaving very little time for several other things we know will come towards the end or ToJ is really only revealed post-resurrection (assuming there is one). The latter case seems to make no sense to me either – except that in either case only Bran and BR will likely know of what happened at the ToJ.
Actually it was made quite obvious that they were searching for her for a few weeks. Also the meereen storyline was also a few weeks after. Those things were made quite obvious.
Thank you, me too
Hoyti Von Totiy,
Only a king can legitimize a bastard
You guys overthink things. Like people said Mel would be Nissa-Nissa because she seemed sad when she was disrobing in the trailer.
Perhaps a few possibilities:
Aeron and/or Yara suggest a non-typical Ironborn manner of succession, with Yara as the choice, due to Theon now being assumed dead and irrelevant??
(A Real long shot)–Petyr jetpacks onto the island to suggest an alliance with Highgarden in order to overthrow the Lannisters??
Euron returns, suggests Balon step aside in favor of his younger brother, and well, Balon, of course, refuses?? 😉
I thought we got the episode titles of episode 4 and 5 and got excited ..silly me
In a season where dany having lots of area to cover ..am disappointed dany will again only have 8 episodes ( if she doesn’t appear in episode 9 also )..whereas Jon and sansa and tyrion keeps getting 10 episodes.
I hate that the spoiler coding is no longer for the unsullied but now represent reddit leaks.
Horseshit.
Regarding the meaning of “Oathbreaker” –
Where has that been confirmed?
WinterRy71,
They don’t though. People shouldn’t be posting the major episode leaks, it’s a bannable offense. Spoiler coding is for normal spoilers.
I just rewatched the episode and at no point was this made anything resembling obvious…
Jorah and Daario come upon the ram with the scorched horns and agree that it is Drogon’s work. At no point do they comment on how long they’ve been out looking for her.
Neither do Tyrion and Varys discuss how long it has been since Dany flew off on Drogon. In both cases, it is an indeterminate period of time. You can go ahead and assume several weeks, but the show does not make it nearly as obvious as you seem to think.
Does anyone know if the Dragon horn is going to be in the show?
Sue, I’m referring to
Ok, calm down.
WinterRy71,
Those are the usual unconfirmed spoilers. But clearly you already know about them. And very often people are speculating and not spoiling.
Sounds like no Wall or Sansa story in episode 3. Sigh. They’re going to drag this Jon Snow stuff out aren’t they? I hope the payoff is worth it.
Connor,
I seriously think that Bran’s powers are going to be set up during episode two as well as have Davos’ intentions about having help from Melisandre in episode one.
orange,
Considering a part of the Northern story line is definitely in (Ramsay) I’d say it would be safe to assume we are getting the Wall too.
dragonbringer,
Yeah, poor Dany. If it was the other way around, you wouldn’t say a word about it. Tyrion keeps getting 10 because of Peter Dinklage as he is the biggest star of the show. Jon and Sansa got a lot to cover and who knows if they get 10 especially him. We don’t even know if Dany get 8, 9 or 10. She could be in episode 2 even without her name in the synopsis.
Sue the Fury,
I know about them because I saw them in comments on here.
dragonbringer,
What? Jon Snow and Daenerys have appeared in the same amount of episodes. Only Tyrion and Cersei have appeared in more.
http://www.imdb.com/list/ls076752033/
Edit: I do understand your point about her having a lot of ground to cover and should have more screen time.
No Lancel? Faith Militant?
I wouldn’t put it past D&D to not say ANYTHING about the wall in the episode that Jon comes back. Make us all think the wall is absent in the episode only to have that happen. And what else would they write if that’s the case? “Davos finds a new path”? Anything they say in regards to the wall after Thorne is deposed will have people cheering for Jon’s return. Better say nothing than have their barely kept secret continuously scrutinized.
Or maybe there’s just no wall in that episode 😀
Ignacio,
yup I agree.. next ep will be bran testing his powers which I think is when we will see
and episode 3
..episode 4 is almost an hour long which means it is gonna be a big one that is covering a lot of ground..perfect for the fall out from episode 3 and
Oh god. Please do not have
be the gift to Ramsey. Don’t put that out in the universe. It could be anything.
Are you telling me there are leaks to episode 2 now?! If so, I wonder how this is happening, especially after ep 1. If I were the makers, I’d be locating sources of leaks super fast.
Green Chili,
I think some elements of Oathbreaker will be
Also, ugh…
Perhaps
What is the answer Varys finds?
With the episode 2 title being confirmed only 6 days before airing, I guess we won’t have the episode 4 title until after 3 airs.
Luke Roberts had an exchange on twitter with a fan and they asked whether he’s on GOT and he’s like “Wait for episode 3”. They moved ToJ to 603 it seems.
https://twitter.com/luke_j_roberts/status/724123057875496960
Honestly, the episode descriptions to me have little bearing on what actually happens in the episode. They aren’t going to put the biggest storylines in the description. In the episode Jon is resurrected, they might just not mention the Wall at all.
Also, I still maintain for some reason that Sansa doesn’t and never makes it to Castle Black. I think the show is dropping those hints too strongly. Ramsay brings up Jon being Lord Commander, and we can tell from the promo that he thinks and is planning for her heading there. Theon mentions it again this episode. But I just don’t think it’ll happen – especially since if Jon isn’t resurrected immediately in episode 2, that also means what the hell does Sansa do, march through the snow for a bunch of episodes?
I doubt it somehow.
I think Sansa will realize that Ramsay will look for her in Castle Black and instead stay in the north to try and rally support against Ramsay. Perhaps she hears news that Ramsay gets his “gift” – I think that prompts Sansa to rally the North more than waiting for Jon to get resurrected. I don’t know, though, I just don’t know why they’d project her destination so clearly and have it be the place Ramsay is going too.
If Jon gets resurrected in episode 2 I’ll change my mind. Then it makes sense that Jon/Sansa get the news together of who Ramsay has and it leads Jon to break his oath.
What! Maybe they will spread out TOJ over multiple flashbacks/episodes.
I expect Sam and Gilly (and little Sam) to make an appearance in “Home”, since that’s where he’s going. Sam’s storyline certainly isn’t the biggest this season; but what he learns at the Citadel could have significant impact by the end of this season, or the next.
REMEMBER THAT THERE IS A NEW LORD KARSTARK AS WELL! RAMSAY COULD STOP THERE FIRST SINCE HE KNOWS THEY HAVE NO LOVE FOR THE STARKS ANYMORE. THE NEW LORD KARSTARK THEN SHARES HIS KNOWLEDGE OF THE UMBERS.
I can’t imagine the son of Great Jon would have hatred for the Starks. The GreatJon was Robb Stark’s most loyal companion.
Sean C.,
Geralt of Rivia,
I think it is
Kevin Nelson,
That is a good point. He may just get the information from Karstark
orange,
I think the Wall will appear in all the first 4 eps. There would be no mention of the Wall in ep 3 synopsis because they do not want to give any hint of what could happen. My guess for Jon’s resurrection is ep 3. Besides, we know that
.
I found it a bit surprising that there is no mention of Jaime or Brienne in the ep 3 synopsis, the two people who seem to be most closely related to the title.
And Ramsey’s gift does seem to be Rickon.
Cogman mentioned a similar thing from S5 in the audio commentaries. Barristan’s death was supposed to be in 506, but they moved it to 504. So maybe it’s not an unusual thing for them to do.
Or maybe it was a scheduling problem and Sackheim wasn’t available for the filming so Bender filled in.
Or whoever he plays (I am getting the actors and flashback character mixed up in my head) shows up in an earlier flashback vision (Tourney at Harrenhal or something else) also
Hound of ulster,
In the trailer, while Tyrion is on screen, there is a voice over saying “Do you like games, little man?”
However, that voice is Ramsay’s. And who else could he be talking about other than Rickon?
The Gift is that there’s no Dorne in Episode 2 or 3!
Jack Bauer 24,
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery3/gallery.htm
Aerynsunx,
I think Sam and Gilly are only in Episode 3.
Gift will be Rickon IMO
I think the TOJ reveal and Jon’s rezz has to happen simultaneously. If Jon gets rezzed before TOJ, then the TOJ reveal wouldn’t feel so special as by then Jon is already established to be special and a messiah.
Well, maybe Bran has two separate TOJ visions?
The first one shows the fight, and the second one (the one that shows what happened with Ned inside the tower) is shown maybe after the resurrection?
Selina,
Hey, thanks for that link! I had;t been able to see where people were getting the ep numbers from. I’m not sure if anyone has pointed this out before, but check this one
http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery5/hires/2.jpg
Think Winterfell fb will be in ep 2 to give sense of bran powers, eg Young Ned, Brandon, Lyanna etc leading into…
TOJ will be ep 3
Makes sense
Any JS resurrection would be ep 3 IMO, fight for his body in ep 2, whisk it away etc to a Weir Tree, Ed to give NW last rites, Mel to burn and voila, Shireen life + Mel/R’Hlorr + Bran/COTF = resurrected JS
Big question is his condition, eg GRRM believes “death changes you” and usually not for better etc. Show may go a different route though
Connor,
Think episode 3 will be were Jon will be bought back. Written by David and Dan. I will bet that the last scene of one of the remaining episode is where Jon opens his eyes. With the love of Cliffhanger’s they bound to do it. Ramsay gets a gift. Don’t think it is rickon. It would be someone though bcoz they are going to do the letter plot for Jon attacking Bolton’s
Geralt of Rivia,
What do you mean by other way around …I have spoken against sansa appearing more episodes than both arya and dany .
I even wondered why they even bothered making dany appear in 8 episodes in season 4 because there was no material they had for her… They could have made her appear in 6 episodes that season i would have been ok with it .
And spoken against some of tyrion scenes as well because of peter .
Am confident that she will not appear in episode 2 ..just looking at the past seasons is enough she never made an appearance in either 2 or 3rd episode…but i did say if she didnt appear in episode 9 ..k
And i never had a problem her appearing in 8 episodes before but this season she has lot to do and that …so there is a chance she will get to be in 9 episodes ..
Sansa who had what 3 or 4 chapters in the last two books going to be appearing two straight seasons in all ten episodes …while arya appears only 6 episodes in three straight season and dany has never appeared in ten episodes in a season …and I like sansa too
I know screentime is what matters and not episodes …but this is just a small fact since I like stats …so if u have a problem ignore my post .
Stannis,
That is troubling news.
“Ramsay gets a gift.”
Already my stomach has turned.
I can only think two things: Rickon.
In one of the trailers there is a voice over with Tyrion being confronted by masters saying “Do you like playing games little man?”-to me it sounds like Ramsay and we see Umber banner on the Bolton side of the battle of Winterfell. There is also two well known characters who will be flayed and burned-I don’t think Walda sits in that catergory. We’ve also heard nothing of Rickon other than he’s returning season 6 (is he? some please confirm). I hope I’m wrong but this is Game of Thrones…
the other gift maybe Walda giving Ramsay a brother…
Bearded Onion,
I believe the little man conversation is between Meeren’s Masters and Tyrion.
The oathbreaker episode..
If anyone remembers, in Season 1, Robb Stark called the Great Jon Umber as the Oathbreaker.
The episode clearly refers to him because “Ramsy receives a gift” clearly states the handing over of Rickon by Jon Umber to Ramsy.
Episode 4: Ramsay makes toast, deliberating on 12-grain or rye. Arya has ten fingers. Davos studies his beard. Brienne realizes that she is tall. Ghost ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF!!!!!
Gravemaster,
I think Javi was just wrong about it being in 606 and we’ll get the whole thing in 603. Sackheim was in Spain at the time it was shot as well, so Javi probably mixed them up.
dragonbringer,
Sansa was in 9 eps last season, not 10. She missed Ep 9. And Dany does not look to have that much to do till Ep 4, I think? So it makes sense for her to miss one episode in the beginning.
Greenjones,
That makes sense, especially if Jon comes back that episode, to have ToJ precede that scene.
ghost of winterfell,
Yep. It never really made sense to have the ToJ so long after he comes back. It coming before it is the best timing.
Why do people care so much if
. We don’t even know him. And what we do know about him, at least in the books makes seem like he’s going to be a bad guy.
Edited because apparently I can’t read properly.
dragonbringer,
I know she’s your fave, which is cool, but I’m curious: where did you get the idea that Dany has “a lot to do”? I suspect (hope) the opposite – that we’ll get a bit of a break from the Essos storyline for a bit, so it can freshen up. The new Dothraki are fun additions and will hopefully make for more interesting tv, but I’m not feeling the Jorah/Daario road trip, and I don’t think I’m alone in wanting some respite from Mereen. If that means only 8 episodes with Tyrion (or Dany and the rest), so be it.
You said you liked stats, so allow me to try to correct some of yours (and feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, because that happens a lot): Jon and Sansa have never been in 10 episodes in one season. So Dany isn’t alone there.
Pigeon,
“Ramsay makes toast, deliberating on 12-grain or rye”
OMG HES BURNING ROOSE AND WALDA, THEYRE LITERALLY TOAST! OH NO WAIT MAYBE ITS RICKON!
“Ghost ARF ARF ARF ARF”
OMG JON SNOW AND BRAN STARK WARGING GHOST CONFIRMED!!!!1111
Sums up Watchers on the Wall commenters in a nutshell….
Ramsay makes toast, deliberating on 12-grain or rye”
OMG HES BURNING ROOSE AND WALDA, THEYRE LITERALLY TOAST! OH NO WAIT MAYBE ITS RICKON!
“Ghost ARF ARF ARF ARF”
OMG JON SNOW AND BRAN STARK WARGING GHOST CONFIRMED!!!!1111
Sums up Watchers on the Wall commenters in a nutshell….
Ser Matt the Sullen,
Where are the leaked set photos? I only know of the one
Mag,
It’s Ramsay’s voice, cut with footage of Tyrion for misdirection.
Ramsey gets a gift ……maybe theon reaches his “home”and sends back that Box……….With a letter ……that is filled with words like suck …shove …etc
Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) demands good news, but has to make his own…..
This is intersting …..behold some awesome dialogues coming soon. ….
Hoyti Von Totiy,
But if sansa legitimize jon,then wouldn’t he become king in the north since he is older??
I had another thought maybe the gift for Ramsay is:
-That he is given the news that Jon Snow is dead = bad news for Sansa (i’m not sure if the Nights Watch would be very hospitable to the half sister of the Lord Commander they just killed!)
-It may be Littlefinger (a shot of him in what looks like the godswood of Winterfell, looking rather worried) “You like to play games little man?”
-The title “Oathbreaker” could mean that Ramsay breaks his oath to his father to “uphold your name and your traditions. I will be worthy of you father”. He has demonstrated over time that he is an unstable choice for an heir, who does not think of the long term consequences of his actions and how that impacts on his position and that of the Boltons.
In the first episode of this season Roose made the threat to disinherit him (note Ramsay’s about to go Psycho face), and has reprimanded him in the past for his behavior. So it may be Roose or Walda that is the gift.
….or this is complete wishful thinking on my part and it is indeed Rickon. But the Umbers and Rickon in the grand scheme of things are not that important and I think that bringing back Rickon just to have him tortured and murdered would be cheap and an over load – we know what Ramsay is and we know what he will do to a Stark.
…Then again GOT has done some dumb shit like this before (*cough Dorne *cough).
(I should note this is strictly from a show only POV)
Not to mention the innocent walnuts he slaughtered.
the-speckled-wolf,
It’s not about torturing him,it’s about having leverage since they lost Sansa,does your POV include intelligence ? Also i agree with Charles,Rickon is a non character to me,i don’t care either if he dies or lives,it’s the same to me .
Resident Evil,
Agreed
They just lost Sansa, the only thing that kept the lords from rebelling, well most of them.
Keeping Rickon as a prisoner for the moment is better.
Hodor!
I’m curious why no one seems to suspect Varys as the leader of the Sons of The Harpy? He is a chess player trying to move the game along at times and SOTH forces Daenerys to learn how to rule in difficult circumstances and ultimately pushes her towards Westeros if she feels it’s a battle she can’t win.
It’s a classic storytelling device having someone “look into” who is behind something only for it to be them all along. He has the intelligence and manipulation skills to do it and could easily therefore get rid of the problem at the right time.
Sorry, I missed that! Won’t happen again… 😉
Thanks for reminding, I did not remember that… and it could really be an important hint…
ghost of winterfell,
iridium,
Yeah sorry my mistake .thank you it feels Luke she add appeared in ten episodes if u know what I mean
Its based on what’s going to happen with the next book and how George has described her arc coming back big way
Dany has to win over dothraki and head to meereen and finish the loose ends there …and there is jorah daario and dosh khalleens and there is possible interactions with some new characters heading to meereen after the fleet has burned …sonsofharpy and yunkai .
That’s my main point even if tyrion has less to do iam sure we will get to see him at least in 9 episodes for sure .
Like I said iam happy with 9 episodes I don’t care about this absence from 2nd episode ..but hope she is present in 9th episode ..iam not sure that happens though considering they are doing the biggest battle ever in the north …I would prefer the episode be like hardhome focusing on other areas in first haf than having battle of six armies in the second half .
Nathanbc22,
I agree. It needs to be sooner rather than later. The longer the wait, the less believable.
Not that any of GoT is really believable. But when I’m watching good fantasy, writers have to walk a fine line between what we’ll believe *could happen* in this alternative world, vs. what we believe based on reality *could never* happen.
For example, I could be pretty easily convinced that magic exists to bring someone back to life. Heck I don’t know for sure that it doesn’t exist in my own world.
But it would be much harder to convince me that a multi-day decomposed body which has already started developing rigor could be magically restored. Knowing enough about the science of human death makes it impossible for me to buy into a delayed resurrection. Even of a magic character in a TV show. Weird right?
So I hope they don’t dally. Resurrection at the very end of Ep. 2, with the aftermath in Ep. 4 sounds fair to me.
By the way am I the only one who sees how much Balon greyjoy in the picture above this article resembles Mel’s true form but clothed
Resident Evil,
Hodor? Hodor, hodor hodor hodor hodor.
Hodor!
Hodor hodor hodor.
> It’s not about torturing him,it’s about having leverage since they lost Sansa,does your POV include intelligence ?
That’s a valid point, but we’re talking about Ramsay. He continuously does rash, impulsive and generally stupid shit.
They may briefly use him as leverage, but that won’t last long if past events are anything to go by.
Also ad homenim’s dude? Way to completely invalidate everything you’ve said.
Will,
I think that’s a fair point, for sure. I don’t believe that Varys is necessarily the benevolent character that has been shown in the last couple of seasons. Little birds…..
Why will Varys be the Harpy if they almost managed to kill her at Daznak’s pit? Unless he only came here to sabotage her.
I think/hope that Jon will be resurrected in E4. This will let the story develop Jon-less and demonstrate that, yeah, this is possible. Furthermore, it will
– let the story of Mel and Davos breathe (the story of how Mel is at a low point as a fanatic, but Davos, of all the people, has faith in her. Mel and Davos always symbolised the two sides of Stannis and were always at odds. It’s no wonder they have to unite and be in accord before Jon is resurrected);
– give Sansa some time to regroup and start the rebellion (and the rebellion has to be Sansa’s, not Jon’s, thing, if she is to be the proper QitN);
– give Jon parallels to Dany, who also apparently has a big phoenix moment in the midseason.
On the other hand, Jon himself doesn’t really have much to do this season.
That said, I fully accept that he can get resurrected as early as next episode. I just hope he’s not.
Well Varys only made himself “public” in Meereen after those events so he could have intended a near miss incident assuming the highly trained Unsullied would be capable of protecting her or maybe to see what Drogon would do. They only become a major issue once he lands in Essos so in the time between that and meeting Tyrian in the pyramid he could have been very busy.
If he’s trying to make her leave Meereen then maybe he thought he had to escalate things to a point and that was the pit.
It’s all just baseless speculation but he is such a complicated character I could see him leading multiple lives
idontcare,
I doubt Roose is going to allow Ramsay to risk that again,he just got told by him in the first episode . Also stop with the Hodor shit,it isn’t funny and it was never funny in the first place,i bet that was you thinking you were clever .
Rickon is toast. I suspect Rickon will be murdered in Episode 3 as a message to others, but in a twist this will be the ultimate catalyst to Jons resurrection.
Nah that would be too muchh wait. That whole jon snow thing has become ridicolous. Most people are excpecting him to return anyway, they dont need to drag it out even more.
George,
She told me it wasn’t the submissive maester from the casting calls. Then there’s “Bower”, a maester serving a horror. Which fits maester Wolken.
taim,
If we all know he’s coming back, then what’s the hurry?
Alex,
Aren’t they meant to burn the bodies before night so they wont rise as a wight?
As I already said, there is nothing in the casting description for Bower that says he’s a maester, and the role is supposed to have filmed with the “outlaw band” in the Riverlands, so again, nope.
Will,
Why burn her ships then?
George,
The connection with the outlaw band was a supposition based on the fact that they filmed roughly on the same dates, wasn’t it? Nothing else, right? And a measter is a servant, which is how Bower is described, which is why I thought he may be Wolkan. Anyway, it was only a guess 😉 If Wolkan appears again, it won’t be him, because Bower’s casting call specifically told us he would be in one episode only.
Kellie is Coming,
Very good point but maybe to force an alliance with someone who has a load of ships? Iron Islanders maybe?
If you go the route that he is actually trying to stop her then the burning of the ships would make more sense.
I just find the docile Varys helping out and not meddling in things not consistent with how he has been portrayed to date.
Anyone think that maybe in ‘oathbreaker’ episode the flashback that bran has is Jamie killing the mad King (we did see a shadowy throne room stabbing in the trailers) and therefore he is oathbreaker aka the episode title
OK. Fair enough. Let’s move on from this argument. I usually love your posts and I hate to disagree with you, LOL. Loved your season six predictions and I think a lot of them have a good chance of coming true. 🙂
I think there’s a chance that might happen, except I’m not sure if there was a spoiler that said that Bran’s visions were going to be Stark-centric? That said, the shadowplay thing in the trailer looked an awful lot like Jaime and the Mad King to me…
I think Melissandre will instead change Davos look to that of Jon. And there will be no ressurection.
So Davos will become Jon Snow, just like in books she change the look of Rattleshirt.
One thing I’d really like to hear your thoughts about are the relations between Cersei, Tommen and Jaime. I’m convinced there’s bound to happen a lot, but up to now I’m not sure what the results will be.
1. Cersei – Jaime
Understandably, upon Jaime’s return their only topic was Myrcella’s death, which led Jaime to say “Fuck everyone who isn’t us. We’re the only ones who matter, the only ones in this world”. BUT I’m sure the topic of Cersei’s affair with Lancel being the reason for her Walk of Shame will rise soon. Not only because of her new haircut, but it must be the talk of the town. Besides, in Ep2 we see Jaime having an emotional conversation with the High Sparrow on him humiliating Cersei. Might it be Jaime will get the news from the HS? Or did Cersei tell him before? And how will he react?
2. Jaime – Tommen.
The only official thing we have here is a photo of them standing at Myrcella’s corpse, and the HBO summary of Ep 2: “Jaime advises Tommen.” What might his advice be?
3. Cersei – Tommen
We saw several trailer scenes with Cersei and Tommen together. Then we have the short scene from Ep 2 Preview that shows a confrontation between Cersei (and the Frankenmountain) and a group of Lannister guards barring her way “on the Kings’s orders”. Either this is not the King’s work, but that of Kevan Lannister (as has been suspected by some); or Tommen tries to stop Cersei from going into full confrontation mode with the sparrows, because he fears that will endanger Margaery’s life. So maybe he has made the decision to do this in his own way (we saw that he will have a conversation with the HS in Ep 3 from trailer and HBO episode description).
Your thoughts?
My guess at the moment (beware SPOILERS):
Deeply irritated by this, Jaime encourages Tommen to go his own way and to not listen to Cersei’s advices. Tommen tries to keep Cersei at the Red Keep, but with the Frankenmountain’s support she simply ignores the Lannister guards and confronts the sparrows: “I choose violence.” Result unknown.
Tommen visits the HS and has long conversations with him, finally resulting in a cooperation between the Throne and the HS (maybe even kind of a conversion of Tommen and Margaery), and Margaery gets released. Margaery and Tommen leave the Sept just when Jaime, Mace and the Tyrell soldiers arrive.
Finally Jaime leaves KL and Cersei behind to join the siege of Riverrun.
The episode 2 preview on HO’s website answers a few of these questions…
http://www.hbo.com/game-of-thrones/episodes/6/52-home/video/ep-52-preview.html?autoplay=true
Nadia,
Sansa doesn’t know what Northern houses support the Starks or Boltons. She could very well get to Castle Black and see her brother’s dead body and witness his resurrection, if he is not resurrected before. Both scenes would be very powerful.
The ep2 two trailer and Sansas own words “I pledge to ask no service of you that might bring you dishonor, by the Old Gods and the new” are clear evidence that Sansa will not ask this of Brienne. She wants to find Arya, Bran and Rickon more than anything, and to reinstate the Starks in the North. Brienne will be asked to find Arya once she has delivered Sansa to safety (presumably to Bear Island). She has no time/ inclination to kill Jaime for something she has no awareness of ( and I don’t see Brienne letting this slip).
George,
Well thanks 😉
So Luke Roberts basically confirmed Tower of Joy to be in episode 3. The title is Oathbreaker. Unless they’re stretching TOJ out over a few episode span, it’s getting likelier we’re going to see the resurrection next week, not this one.
harlequeen,
It would work nicely.
Kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
I still believe Sansa will be there to see him come back.
Next week I think we’ll see the wildlings take over CB and kill Allister and co.
LawofFury,
Davos as Davos (in his body) is featured in the clips/trailers meeting with the Mormonts, on a horse facing the battlefield (The Bastardbowl). So no, he’s not going to be glamouring as anyone. And neither is Melisandre, we have a shot of her at Castle Black in the latest trailer and there’s a promo still of her leaving CB as herself from episode 5. Glamour is not as easy to manage as people are making it out to be.
The Jon glamour theory needs to die already. It’d be nonsensical awful writing which would render Jon’s character, his arc and TOJ’s inclusion pointless. It’s not Jon’s appearance that’s central to the plot, it’s his blood and lineage.
We are going to see Melisandre, Davos and Jon in the future episodes, deal wit it. We’re not losing either Carice or Liam to glamour (the actors would have to disappear from the plot), only to death.
Maybe the gift is the body of a dead king
As a follow-up to my previous comment. Another reason the glamour theory is stupid: Ghost. I don’t have to say why, everyone should know.
Mihnea,
Yes, there’s enough Night’s Watch material to cover for one episode before we’re getting Jon back.
Unlike most, I don’t think we’re getting Jon back until ep 4 (or at least until the ToJ reveal, for maximum dramatic impact). They’ve gone to too much trouble to show how Mel has lost her faith in Rhllor / her abilities (certainly her purpose). That’s gonna take time to resolve itself; we still have her emotional scene with Davos to come, not to mention the Thorne/Davos fight and Wildlings rescue still to come. Whilst all this spans a few episodes, doesn’t mean these events occur days/ weeks apart in Westeros time. Besides, its been long assumed by fans and the media that Mel will bring him back and my guess is D&D want us to actually believe that she won’t (or can’t) revive him, in order to truly surprise us all.
So with the scenes we know of, episode 2 will be Thorne/Davos/Wildlings battle, ep 3 will be Mel speaking with Davos on her crisis of faith (she isn’t in that locked room with them in ep 1/2 and can’t join them until the NW have been defeated). Who knows, perhaps she’ll try something ep 3 but I reckon it will be ambiguous to us as to whether it is Mel/Rhllor or Bran/BR/Old Gods who resurrect Jon in some way.
BroMM,
I don’t see any indication thus far of Sansa filling the Stoneheart role. We still don’t know where she is going. Theon kept telling her to go North to Jon. Even if Jon is dead it still takes to many episodes to go to the wall then to Riverrun. She knows she could potentially use the Vale army through Baelish. The Stoneheart theme would take her to the Riverlands, which is not a wise choice for Sansa Stark. No friends in the Riverlands. Only friends she has are North and Vale. Besides she has more important things to do then terrorize Frey’s in the Riverlands. She needs to unite the North – take back her home – and stop the Walkers (once she finds out). The Frey’s can wait.
Lady Mychelle,
I hope Ramsay receives the gift of death, that would be great!!!
BunBunStark,
BunBunStark,
I know! RIP Osha for sure.
WeirwoodTreeHugger,
On snap – that would be great!!!!
dragonbringer,
I would prefer the episode be like hardhome focusing on other areas in first haf than having battle of six armies in the second half .
Completely agree! To me, the Hardhome episode worked better than Blackwater and Watchers on the Wall. I loved both of them (WotW was my second favourite of S4, after Two Swords), but for my part, on first viewing I felt sense of unresolved anticipation in terms of updates from other storylines. Hardhome had several great scenes before the climactic battle (Dany/Tyrion and Sansa/Theon etc) and the last 25 minutes were the mind-blowing icing on the cake.
Having said that, if they devote the whole episode to the battle in the north, I don’t think I’ll complain. I have my favourites too (Jon, Davos, Sansa, Brienne, Tormund and Arya) and many of them will potentially be involved in that plot. So there’s my bias!
By the way, I want to say I really appreciate your passion for Dany. She is a genuinely kick-ass character (only narrowly missing my top 6) and ultimately I think she would be the best fit on the iron throne. Even better: I think her “wheel” speech shows that she has the intellectual capacity to see the benefit of dismantling the whole system altogether. Sansa, bless her, is too mired in the old ways still, and Jon is dead 😉
Okay, forget that; I don’t believe it for a moment. When Jon revives, he’ll be so fixated on the Others, I don’t think he’ll have a single fuck left to give about the Iron Throne. If he’s the only man left standing after the battle with the WWs, sure, he might take the mantle, but he’ll make a super grumpy, Stannis-like ruler. I’m betting on Dany to to usher in democracy, a true one that allows equal rights for women, slaves and all other disenfranchised persons. That’s my fantasy ending anyway!
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Naah, “finally” will involve
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Stargaryen,
There’s nothing so far from any promotional materials that indicate Sansa going to the Riverlands. I’m 99% sure she stays in the North all season.
Episode 1 – Winterfell outskirts
Ep. 2-3 – Castle Black area
Mid season- Bear Island
Ep 9 – Bastardbowl
Where is there time for her to travel to the Riverlands, let alone take on the LSH plot?
BloodyAl,
Daario huh? That would be interesting especially since he has killed a few of em.
You all think rickon will be a toast for Ramsey. And the oathbreaker seems to be referring to umber. But we know all Starks have direwolves and they reflect the behavior of their supposed connection. Shaggydog is described as black and savage. I think the show people might be giving the mance Ryder plot to rickon. Not as a tool to Ramsey. Someone who will play Ramsey in his game. That would be good because his downfall should be shown to episode 9. Just a battle and death is not likely.
Becks,
I think the future she sees is what life is like with the Khal widows.
Can someone please explain to me the freaking point of Dany and the Dothraki?!!!! Unless they’re all going to get on their horses onto the Greyjoy fleet and go colonize Westeros with her once Winter comes and the Wall comes down, the for the love of God are we spending so much goddamn time with them?!?!! I do not understand the end point or purpose of this plot at all. Yes, I’ll admit, I hate Dany’s storyline.
Also it makes little sense why Ramsay would keep Rickon alive if he found him. With Sansa, she gives him Stark heirs but can’t challenge his claim to the North in theory. Rickon is assumed to be dead. If a true born son of Ned Stark is found and being publicly kept by the Boltons and tortured – that’s just retarded. That’s way #1 to get the North to rise against him because Rickon being alive makes the Boltons clear usurpers. Ramsay may do something so stupid but why would Roose let it happen? If they found Rickon I would imagine they kill him right away, not declare the everyone they have him.
I wonder if we’ll see anything of Littlefinger before the end of the season. The only shot we’ve seen of him in any of the trailers puts him in the North, in what looks to be the Godswood of Winterfell.
The more I think about it, the more strongly I feel that he will only show up in the back half of the season, if not the tail end.
Thronetender,
It cant be death. He is in a battle later in the season. In the trailers. I wish it was the case though
Hearing a lot of ridiculous theories on who the Harpy is:
Guys, the Sons of the Harpy have no leader. That’s what the big reveal will be. They all conspire together. Perhaps there is some sort of council that makes decisions, there might be several high up noblemen in league with them, but in the end, killing a few important people won’t set them back at all, since they all have one motive. The only way to stop them is to kill every last one of them. That’s why they are so powerful.
The Harpy is not one person you can get rid off to end it all. They are all the Harpy. As long as the Sons of the Harpy are still around, the Harpy lives.
Nadia,
About Rickon:
It makes 110% sense that Rickon would be the gift referred to in the synopsis. The episode title also points to this conclusion, with Smalljon Umber being the (or one of) oathbreakers.
My speculation would be that Rickon will initially be a hostage of House Bolton, in the absence of their having Sansa Stark. They won’t torture or kill him just yet, not while Roose still lives.
But once Roose is dead, as I’m almost sure he will be, and once the battle lines in the North are more or less drawn and battle becomes inevitable, that’s when I’d start to fear for Rickon. I think he, Osha, Roose, and Walda are the victims on the burning crosses.
Hey everyone, first time commenting on WotW.
I thought we saw Umber Banners on the side of the Wildlings in the fight against the Boltons in the trailer? Did I see that incorrectly? To me, that would mean that there is no way the Umbers are giving up Rickon. I also thought all the Wildling land that was settled was part of The Gift given to the NW and therefore not a part of the Umber land? Finally, I can’t remember, is the Great Jon still alive?
That could just be a couple of Harpies that they offered themselves to be killed by is own leader, just to eliminate him from the list of suspects since Daario killed them.
Mihnea,
I agree. It would be a great moment to see Sansa witness it when she thinks all is lost.
Next week we’re definitely covering the fight with the NW (and maybe Mel crying about her visions with Davos). Sansa will talk to Brienne about Arya and they’ll be on the way to Castle Black hopefully. Episode 2 seems like it will put all the players in the locations they need to be for the big twist(s).
Shaggydog. :c
“Oathbreaker” will feature the most waited Tower of Joy battle.
Oathbreaker refers to Arthur Dayne.
Let me explain why :
Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna Stark, but not for himself. He did it for his friend Arthur Dayne.
Rhaegar Targaryen’s kidnapped of Lyanna Stark for reasons out of love. However, it was not Rhaegar’s love, but Arthur Dayne’s. I believe that Arthur Dayne is Jon Snow’s father. One of the reasons that Ned gets so sad about the Tower of Joy is that he knows that he killed Jon Snow’s father and that Robert’s entire rebellion was started with misleading information.
Arthur was in love with Lyanna and they had a child. His name is Jon Snow. So, Arthur was an oathbreaker and Lyanna made Ned the promise to not reveal Jon Snow’s parentage cause it will ternish the legendary knight.
We know their ancestral sword is called Dawn (Dawn will be Lightbringer)
The Dayne who wields Dawn is known as the Sword of the Morning, which to me sounds like someone who would end the Long Night (aka Azor Ahai).
This may be crazy but I think it’s at least worth considering.
Welcome! 🙂
The Umbers are on the side of the Boltons in the battle (when the archers shoot their banners are alongside the Bolton banners).
Yeah, GreatJon is still alive, but currently the leader and lord of Last Hearth (Umber house) is Smalljon Umber, his son.
Man, I hope Rickon survives this season.. another Stark dead and my heart gonna broke forever lol.
iridium,
Thank you ..
Oh I don’t have a problem with episodes like blackwater and watchers on the wall both episodes are my favorite in the respective seasons…I remember how much people were against watchers on the wall focusing on only wall saying there is no one to care for other than Jon unlike blackwater . .but the episode proved them all false everybody and ended up one of the finest hours of television..
I like all the characters but there is some absolute double standard when it comes dany …for me I see her as in the same league as starks children because waterver they have suffered and achieved she had endured them also and more ….you should have seen the westeros .org around 2011 to 2013 it was a nightmare.
Glad you think she will be good candidate for throne …becauseany things like she never listens to her advisors or stupid and can’t rule are big misunderstanding of that character ..
She puts her people first and rules for them .with some experience she will become an better and I guess that’s what martin was doing with jon and dany ..they may very well end up as jaehaerys and good queen alysane
But i believe dany will not survive the series and end up sacrificing herself in the final war but I hope she does survive because she can help build the realm back with Jon and others who survived …but I don’t see democracy as an ending but something that is better than what we have now in westeros ..
I believe the Harpy is definitely Hizdar zo Loraq.
Ser Axel Hildemar,
I’ve got a better gift. The gift of the many faced god. I doubt I would happen so soon, but one can dream.
BloodyAl,
Ah, ok that makes more sense. That is not pleasing. Support for the Starks is waning in the North. Now that the Karstarks have forsaken and the Umbers (Robb’s biggest supporters) seem to as well, I don’t know what they are going to do. Are the Manderly’s going to make an appearance? I am still afraid for the Starks. Ugh.
Dragonmcmx,
Yes thank gods iam not only one who think these theories about varys daario are ridiculous…
Dany came to the same conclusion in the books that its not one head but a legion
I think the better word here is sons of harpy are the legions of ghiscari who hates the valyrians and dany as the last of valyrion dragonlord obviously means they can’t accept her as one of their own and not work under her …
And yes I also believe that only way to end them is killing them all .
BunBunStark,
That’s one. But there could be more than one oath “broken”.
Or a little brother?
dragonbringer,
Rickon Starks Wrath,
Tag dat shit.
Dragonmcmx,
Let’s wait and see …I believe dany will exterminate all the harpies and ghiscari ..
From what we have seen in episode 1 freed men will take their own action against those ghiscari ( remember even some of the slaves are ghiscari supporters like whore woman ).
Dragonmcmx,
Maybe he meant Roose’s possible son with Walda .
Dragonmcmx,
tyrion wont die tywins words, “you’re only alive because i can’t prove you’re not my son”
Jay Targ,
Could be 603.
dragonbringer,
I prefer less episodes and then quality content with a lot to do for her or others than just put them in 9 or 10 for the sake of the numbers. I like stats too but even more so quality over quantity. That goes for others too.
Yeah, as you can see D&D Sansa and Cersei are more relevant now than Arya. If you looks at Arya she’s got business being an assassin and to extract revenge on others. Sansa could be vital part of fight against White Wakers and politics. If she outsmarts Baelish. She’s got North, Vale and maybe potentially Riverlands through her mother. She’s becoming more relevant. Cersei is the one and Lannisters in general who D&D really love and Lena is doing great job.
As for Jon. He could be in less episodes than ever before. You know it and I don’t see you putting defense there. You live in the idea that everyone is against Daeny, always putting her down in every case and Emilia too. This is what fanboys are doing so don’t be like that. I know you love her, I love her too and tired of criticism or hate. But hey everyone gets that.
I remember times where Kit got tons of it and Jon too. Even from me and books are same. Now he becomes relevant to everyone and so much hype. Not much to do for him either since wildlings will take care of mutineers, Davos and Sansa looks like rallying North or the willing to fight against Boltons. Then we have episode 9 with big event. In all honesty not much to do for him this season.
What happens at the end. Daeny might die, she might live. I support the theory she’ll die giving bith to a child and be reunited with love of her life Khal Drogo. Again they mentioned she can’t bear a living child to anyone. She will most likely to a Targaryen how conveniently it will be Jon. At least it looks that way.
Dragonmcmx,
Better to do intense and glorious fighting with half an episode than one episode and for it to be boring. Look at Hardhome, it worked best. Whole episode of fighting is not for every fan out there.
I think a couple of months ago was cast an obese person, and his description totally match with Wyman Manderly. I would love to see House Manderly and House Cassel, especially House Cassel.. they’ve been missing since Season 2 when Rodrik was beheaded.
Dragonmcmx,
Edit: I could be wrong though; those could be completely different scenes.
Geralt of Rivia,
Doesn’t have to be a whole episode of fighting. Just look at Blackwater or Watchers on the Wall; they were both perfect. They’ve done it before, and they can do it again. But if we only spend half an hour at the location of the battle, I’ll be disappointed. I’m pretty sure we won’t though.
Sue the Fury,
I think the timid young Maester was the poor slob who gave Doran the message and ran like hell when he saw what was going down
So… about Dorne…
Ellaria references “no weak man” over and over. I have to believe that this leads them into the role of participation in the Targaryen restoration. They would ‘potentially’ respect Dany as she has accomplished a lot largely on her own. Also, filming reports put Lady Olenna in Dorne. Queen of Thornes also fits perfectly as the type of strong woman who would gain respect from the SS. Could very well see a teaming up of Dany, SS/Dorne, QoT/Tyrell. [/ spoiler]
Just my $0.02 about how they could expand the role of SS/Dorne and make it useful to the overall storyline.
BloodyAl,
In the books wasn’t there a split among the Umbers, some joined the Bolton Army some joined Stannis’ Army?
egg,
So- these words are whats keeping Tyrion alive? Thats a bit of a stretch..
Geralt of Rivia,
Totally agree on Dany’s impending death (at least in the books). The show hasn’t really focused on MMDs prophecy too much (for example…who is the “sun” that rises in the East/sets in the West…Trystane? Oberyn? Tyrion [son]?), but the fact it was brought up again in ep1 makes me think Dany is definitely toast before the end. Vhalar Morgulis.
Geralt of Rivia,
Yeah I get that but look at what they have done with dany tyrion and jon in season 1,2,4 respectively and in jon case season 5 too ..their best season is where they got more episodes ..
So I would like to have them both quality and quantity considering the news there will only be 14 or 16 episode left
Apollo,
If she is going to die in the books then she will die in the show too..
I believe she may not survive but not because of the MMd quote ..
It’s one of the quotes that has been taken out of context and blown out of proportion ..
The question asked was when will drogo be like he was and MMD answered that with the quote by saying never ..
And dany believes she will not have babies anymore that’s what matters which may very well change in the end ..
Geralt of Rivia,
I don’t think we will have time enough for a baby of Jon and dany but if both survive and end up on taking leader ship of westeros..I believe it can be alluded that they will have children
my only problem at the moment is the wait for a resolution to johns death has GOT boring. it needs to be resolved and quickly, dragging it on till episode 4 or later will simply be over doing it.
particularly as in the one day tops of time they have to pass in castle black before his dead body would stand up and start trying to eat people. drogon will have grown to twice the size of when danny rode off on his back, assuming the doubling in size of the dragons each new series rule is adhered to his skull is not the size of a carriage yet.
apollo,
no it’s the consequences of them in the bit i greyed out
danny may be the other if she’s not usurped. by euron.
and tyrion the third when he comes out of the dragon cave from the clip with a new friend to sort out the harpies (plus there’s not many american actors in it, they’re always the heroes and brits the villains or canon fodder in any american production).
I agree that she will likely die on show (and was clear that it will happen in the books at least for definite). But I disagree that the prophecy is blown out of proportion- as just about all of these events have taken place (or are about to), so its a pretty accurate one so far.
As for being taken out of context, well that’s kinda what happens with prophecies, especially in this story.
further to my previous comment
or tyrion actually is tywins and he had no idea that cersei and jaime aren’t his possibly pointed at by their hair colour being blond.
the one thing that’s not conjecture is from the clips our favourite little rogue is going to see the dragons in their cave, i’m expecting him to come out with a new friend rather than being a snack, it would also have been very easy for him to get greyscale while he was being molested by stonemen, so either he was incredibly lucky to avoid contact, or he’s actually resistant to it in some way through his blood of the dragon.
on the danny front what’s more of a great sky stallion than a dragon, so once drogon comes to collect her i’m expecting dothraki to start worshiping her and if euron takes drogon then they will follow him. it’s difficult to argue when a person is riding your god across the sky barbequeing your enemies.
again not exactly spoilers but sufficiently spoilerish conjecture to be greyed out
the cersei prophecy has been spot on so far, thus i’m expecting tommen to have the life expectancy of a snowball in a volcano this season, she obviously can’t die till after she’s seen him in his golden shroud
Dragonmcmx,
Yeah, it might be whole episode. But I just hope in this case. We see some talking scene like the one that has been mentioned here and not just fighting. Some people would love it but I would do with some talking before or after the battle.
You are right. Battle of Blackwater and Watcher on the Wall worked and it might warrant whole episode since this is biggest battle yet to be seen in Game of Thrones history. I just prefer Hardhome scenario.
Ayman,
I agree that this scenario would have been suitable for the whole Jon arc. But it seems strange for the director who filmed a pivotal scene of the season and a much anticipated one to not be credited for it. Especially since this is a fight scene which means a lot more work than a just dialogue one. Unless they have split up the fight scene and the Lyanna scene as others have suggested. But still the director of the actual fight was confirmed to be Benter of 5&6 eps. So this is very strange…
The Wildlings will take care of the mutineers, but I dont think we will see Davos and Sansa rallying the North alone. The only connection between Sansa and Davos in the first place is Jon.
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it as I haven’t had time to read through all the comments, but here in the UK ep2 seems to be called “Homeward bound” not “home”
Crannogman Matt,
No, it’s not. It’s called “Home.” This is the title officially confirmed directly from HBO. Someone made a mistake and posted on some outside TV vendor schedules the wrong title, the one you’re referring to.
It’s called “Home.” Can we finally let this go now?
Ramsay gets a gift… It’s got to be Rickon.
Geralt of Rivia,
Most certainly. They will have to set it up, there will be pre battle tension, the battle itself, and the aftermath.
Sorry hadn’t realised, would’ve thought they’d have changed it by now…
I would almost bet the fight scene was done completely separate from whatever they may show inside…the inside scene would have been done on a locked down set with MINIMAL crew (which is why nothing has been leaked about it yet) so could easily have been done by a different director
selena,
Yes I do not disagree with this but the actual fight has been filmed by Bender, if the filming info is correct, and he is directing ep. 5&6. So if they took the TOJ fight from that episode and transferred it to ep. 3 it would be not so polite for the director who shot it. Unless they filmed the TOJ before the fight in ep. 3 and then the actual fight in ep. 5. Or they filmed Bran and BR in the location of Tower of Joy before them seeing the fight. We will see.
Ginevra,
The titles were known, it’s the descriptions that are new
My guess is the gift is “Arya Stark” as in Jeyne Poole posing as her. In the books Ramsay marries Poole thinking she is Arya. So I am going a bit outside the box and will say the gift is someone saying they’ve captured “Arya” or Jeyne coming forward saying she is her so she can fulfill some jealous ambitious need to be the heir to Winterfell’s lady.
Stannis,
Haven’t had a chance to read all the comments yet, so apologies if this has already been said. Just a couple of guesses what might be coming.
NOT liking the idea of Ramsay receiving a gift, nothing to do with him is ever good. Could it be a baby brother/sister (Walda’s kid?). I guess a sister would be relatively safe as he wouldn’t see her as a threat. Oh yuck just remembered the
both of whom would instantly be in massive danger 🙁
On a brighter note I am really hoping Edd and the wildlings (cool band name) turn up this ep and cause some serious damage at Castle Black, probably just as Thorne and co are breaking into the room where the good guys are. Cue massive fight with huge NW baddie casualties. Once they are safe Davos asks Mel if she can do her magic on Jon. She says no and we get the all the things I saw in the flames were a lie bit from the trailer. He persuades her to give it a try anyway and bingo! It was just a very deep sleep after all. Hopefully Jon issue resolved by the end of ep2 or early in 3. Eyes suddenly opening could be a good cliffhanger to end ep 2 on 🙂
Charles M,
Because the last time we ‘saw’ him or read about him in the books, he was about 5 years old., so there is some sentiment attachmeht. Also because we are tired of Starks getting killed all of the time.
BunBunStark,
toatlly Rickon is RIP only he had more scenes than doran doran that actor is awesome wtf !! i get it skip over the entirety of the book, but really the sand snakes one liners are catchy to some, seemingly less educated int he matter. But lets see how it plays out.
My big fear after episode 1 season 6 is that Brieanne will be the one on the white horse (and not Jon) we saw charging into the Bastardbowl in the trailers. I couldn’t help but notice in episode 1 she had a white horse…
#rhllorapproved
sohialo,
I love reading these theories and I love this Fandom!
Sue the Fury,
This is your news. http://watchersonthewall.com/second-and-third-episode-titles-of-game-of-thrones-season-6-now-official/ YOU said it was official and then you said, like it’s a new thing, “HBO confirms two MORE episode titles!”
I think there was a title, ‘Oath Keeper’ in the past. Does it have anything to do with that?
BroMM,
i doubt that. sansa doesnt seem like shes at the blood thirsty level that stoneheart was at. she forgave theon pretty much immediately after he told her that rickon and bran are alive. she acknowledges that not all lannisters are evil “lord tyrion was kind” and her ass was just saved by podrick tyrion’s old squire and jaime’s girlfriend brienne. if she wants to survive she’ll have to acknowledge that not everyone who deals with lannisters is evil which is the crux of Lady stonehearts persona. she is completely utterly unreasonable and bloodthirsty. if she killed the way stoneheart kills she’d be 100% alone. literally everyone who is trying to save her is a stoneheart target.
lol edd and the wildlings. i love it. thats such a good name.
Resident Evil,
>I doubt Roose is going to allow Ramsay to risk that again,he just got told by him in the first episode .
Roose says a lot of things. Ramsay ignores a lot of things. Chances are he’ll do something stupid.
> Also stop with the Hodor shit,it isn’t funny and it was never funny in the first place,i bet that was you thinking you were clever .
Hodor, hodor, hodor?
For someone who doesn’t know how to space out a sentence correctly, you seem awfully keen on calling people who disagree with you stupid.
You should be more like Hodor.
sohialo,
Hey there, I know this is old but I recently came to the same conclusion as yours. Jon is the bear’s son, aka Arthur, which means “bear man”. There is actually a lot of textual evidence in the books supporting our theory. I used to be a firm believer of R+L=J, but some passages in the books made me question it, to my great shock and disbelief at first. Arys Oakheart is an echo of Arthur, he breaks his vows by falling in love. There are key words linked to Arthur actually, the bear of course, the Oak, the morningstar, the snowy-white cloaks of the KG associated by Jaime to Jon’s name, Jon’s heroes (Ryam Redwyne and Aemon the Dragonknight, both the best swords/knights of their time and both of the KG) and many other things. I know people will say the show confirmed Jon’s Targ lineage, but actualy GRRM never did. The question he asked D&D was “who is Jon Snow’s mother?” but he never talked about the father. Oh, and according to my findings, there are also hints in the text that Arthur survived the ToJ and was sent to the Wall by Ned. He took he identity of Qhorin Halfhand, which makes Jon a kinslayer, unknowingly, just like in Bael the Bard’s story told by Ygritte.
There is such a huge amount of clues I’ve found, and I’m trying to write about it, but it’s so rich and intricate it will take me time to organize them. I doubt you’ll read my comment, but we never know.