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Episode 338 – No One Part Two
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Time calls for a second look into No One. Time calls for one last, long, deep breath before bastards meet bastards.
We asked, you answered. A collection of thoughts and theories lie within!
Discussion Topics
Second thoughts
What will Dany do?
What wil Varys do?
The real Jaime
A battle is coming
Listener Owns
Thank you for the excellent feedback and conversation!
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We can’t wait for Sunday.
Hodor
Good show. Looking forward to next week.
Nice listening so far
It was a nice throwback in some respects
Eg this season has been so fast-paced, but the KL announcement and the Jaimie conversation did make it seem a bit more “old school”
Eg season 1 is amazing to re-watch now, just the slow mystery intrigue and slow build-up
I think I am starting to see the point of the “joke” scenes as we have seen the season unfold
Eg it seems to be about the path of slaves into human experiences as articulated through Grey Worm and Missandei
Eg at first earlier in the season they are talking to Tyrion like Robots, eg only talk about patrol, only games were sick ones for the girls etc whereas here after peace they are finally opening up as humans and starting to laugh at fledgeling attempts at jokes but then the Masters turn up to snatch it all away and “reclaim their property”
A few thoughs, some for your discussion topics:
What will Dany do?
I don’t know what she will do about the siege, but it was pretty clear she is angry that there is one. She is going to be scolding her advisors and the weight of it will fall on Tyrion. I don’t know if it will be enough to force a split or just a moment where he needs to prove his loyalty, but it is not a happy family in Meereen ATM.
What will Varys do?
Varys will show up in Dorne in e10 most likely, but I am starting to suspect it may not be to drum up support for Dany. Instead I think there will be a twist in Dorne, very much related to the fact that Ellaria simply ruling Dorne because she killed Doran in spite of having no claim makes no sense. We may even get a version of Aegon after all!
What will happen to Arya?
I think her wound must be infected and she may be dying, slowly, on the boat home. Upon arrival in Westeros her deadly wound means she will either become the next character brought back by the Fire god, maybe not very different from the way LSH was brought back in the books, or she will be healed similarly to how Victarion was without actually dying.
King’s Landing?
I am sure most KL characters will die in the finale, but I am very much wondering if Marge will somehow make it out alive. I am not quite ready for the Queens fight to end and would be very much intrigued to see Marge’s next move after the Sparrows, Kevan, Tommen, probably Loras are all gone. I am sure Cersei will survive for now.
Of course Tyrion could always point out that she did kind of leave them in a fighting pit/Coliseum in the middle of a murderous riot and surrounded by the Sons of the Harpy while she hauled butt out of there on her dragon. She’s lucky she’s not returning to a city already run by slavers with all of her advisers and many more having been purged.
My unsullied husband and I had the same reaction to the look on Dany’s face when she walked through those doors. It’s like a parent coming home unexpectedly to find the kids have been having a wild party….anxious to see what transpires.
They set it up so that it looks as if she drank from the pool on here way to the Hall of Faces. Seems that the pool can either kill or cure – perhaps it depends either magic or the will of the Many-Faced God to know which!
Dolorous Methuselah,
she could, but far easier to blame those left behind, particularly when one of them made major moves without her specific consent (remember Edmure? Hold Riverrun…) and another one is already clearly very pissed off at the first (Greyworm).
Dolorous Methuselah,
Good point you have there. I’ve never thought about what could have happened if it went the other way in Meereen.
Dany better not take this out on Tyrion. What the hell was he supposed to do?
This could all be part of her heel turn. She decides to punish Tyrion by throwing him in the dragon pit with the kids and he comes flying out riding Viserion and says, “Screw you guys… I’m going home!”
A battle is coming
Ihope Ramsay win. The starks ruined westeros. They put their own interests ahead of the realm’s and expose the people of Westeros to untold horrors all in service of their bizarre sense of honor and duty.
I believe Daenerys will be angry with Tyrion but will also be impressed by his freeing of the dragons and his knowledge of them
Will Sansa and Jon discover that Petyr Baelish is in cahoots with Smalljon Umber? It is in his interests to kill off the male Starks so Sansa can inherit Winterfell.
I suggested the same thing in another thread. It is a logical way to deal with the issues of the stabbing and get D&D to the LSH plot. But it’s too complicated for the show, so Arya will simply get better.
Anyone else feel like the show was in a sort of holding pattern this season?
It doesn’t seem to have went much beyond the books, and in the case of riverrun they went backwards. Seems like they are giving Martin a chance to catch up and get D&D some original material to adapt. If Arya does the LSH stuff then we again go back in the books for a bit again next season…..not that it would be bad..but it feels like we haven’t moved very far past the books.
Rexpage,
I am not sure this would be complicated, and the elements are in place as long as she lands in Westeros somewhere near where she left, and where the BWB are. The advNtage is that it ties her back into the story immediately on arrival.
I don’t think Daenerys should be angry with Tyrion. The problems in Meereen were escalating and he did the only thing he could to temper them. What’s happening now was inevitable and she was in no better position to deal with it before now than he was. He didn’t have 100k Dothraki or control of the dragons to aid him.
Daenerys hasn’t done very well in ruling so far, but she’s also struggled because she’s doing it by trying to eradicate the foundation of Slaver’s Bay, slavery. Slavery is THE industry of the cities she’s overthrown. Westeros would be a different animal for her and seemingly much more manageable, especially if she’s able to come to power through mostly peaceful means. We have to remember that there aren’t nearly as many clamoring for the throne anymore. The couple that are may actually not be around for much longer…
I wish people would stop trying to plug everyone into the role of LSH, especially those that are already major characters that are living and have their own storyline. LSH’s is minor and not necessary. GRRM is going somewhere with Arya and I don’t believe it includes joining up with and/or leading the Brotherhood. I think it would be pretty dumb for D&D to take her that way..
Clob,
I don’t think “should” really has much to do with it. I was basing my comment on the fact that she clearly was angry when she arrived in her latest scene, and on the tension between Tyrion and Greyworm over Tyrion’s decisions.
Dany is far more likely to side with Greyworm than Tyrion, having known him much longer.
Mostly I would agree, except that I am not at all sure this is not where GRRM is going anyway, except in the books Arya would be revived by her mother.
It has a certain logic; Nymeria pulls Cat from the water, LSH’s mission is all about revenge on the Freys and the BWB’s mission was originally about bringing Gregor ClegNe to justice. Gregor and Walder frey are on Arya’s list.
….and Nymeria is queen of strays in the Riverlands which fits with the BWB.
Clob,
So what and where does Arya go now if she doesn’t hook up with the BWB?
And the LSH stuff is only suggested to deal with Arya’s stab wounds, which should/might kill her. Sure we can say, it wasn’t that bad, or weeks passed and she’s fine now, or lady crane is a super surgeon, or she drank the water in the house of BWB,, or any of the other attempts to “save appearances” and justify away the fact that a gut stabbing is a serious and almost always fatal wound in their world ( note the hound mentions it to Arya in seasons past)
Now, the idea that Arya is gonna go downhill and then kick the bucket, and then get resurrected is also an attempt to “save appearances” , to justify what was actually seen, not to add things that we didn’t see to explain away the wounds.
Regardless, the show will go the easy route, Arya is fine. She’ll go back to westeros and…….what?
Well, for starters, we can’t say that Arya will leave Braavos in the same fashion as the show. There are no signs of her being stabbed by the waif at least. I’m not hung up on her injuries as some are. The director said he wanted the viewers to believe she was gravely injured at the end of the episode so he made it look bad. My belief is that she was healing fine and will heal now that she’s not in immediate danger. This arc was for her to be trained, figure out her purpose and find out who she is, Arya Stark, not Arry or Nymeria or Mercy or…
I don’t see her joining the BWB for any reason, especially without her wacked-out undead mother leading them. The show inserting Sandor with them doesn’t lead me to think that either. She’s already decided they’re not people she trusts or wants to be with after they lied to her, gave Gendry to Melisandre, and held her against her will leading to her escaping from them. She was trained to do things on her own. If she’s going to take it upon herself to get revenge on those that hurt her and her family I think she’d do it on her own, not by joining a band of men that just ride around doing things for purposes that she doesn’t care about. I certainly don’t want her storyline to go that way unless it’s a short partnership as she goes after Walder Frey. She said she’s going home. She believes she has some family left and she does. It doesn’t make sense for her to go back to Westeros and start riding around the Riverlands in lieu of attempting to find her family.
Clob,
Again I agree somewhat, in that if Arya is NOT gravely injured then it becomes much harder to understand why she would spend any time with the BWB.
But I also don’t understand why you all think it is oh so much easier to portray her as fine, than to have her be injured. If the story makes more sense with her injured in that her being injured takes it where it needs to go, that is what they will do, particularly when it must be admitted that it has been set up to at the very least suspect that such an injury is fatal: Talisa, the Hound’s comment, the fact they definitely showed the Waif twisting the knife, etc.
Showing Arya injured is just a matter of a bit of makeup and acting, and we should all at least acknowledge it leads her story in a different direction than not being injured does.
Who do you think Arya will assasinate first?