The second episode of Game of Thrones Season 8 is right around the corner! While it remains without a title for now, there is plenty of anticipation and fervor awaiting before the Battle of Winterfell arrives on our screens and doorsteps.
The first scene we see in the preview is that of Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau), the infamous Kinglsayer, standing before the court at Winterfell. As expected, Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) is less than thrilled to see the sight of the man who had killed her father. This may perhaps be a bit of a misdirect as Daenerys is eager to not be her father, but meeting the man who had stabbed her father through the heart may nevertheless bring forth an emotional, trauma-imbued confrontation. It looks like only Tyrion (Peter Dinklage) may be happy to see his brother.
Sansa (Sophie Turner) and Daenerys may be finding common ground in not trusting Cersei (Lena Headey), which could signal an overcoming of hostilities between the two. It also suggests that the news of Cersei’s betrayal is now within the halls of Winterfell, which is probably not great news for Tyrion.
Arya (Maisie Williams) voices her desire to see this new face of Death as the Winterfell preparations for battle fill the screen in quick edits. Jorah (Iain Glen) appears to be holding Samwell Tarly’s Valyrian steel sword, Heartsbane; Daenerys approaches a brooding Jon (Kit Harington) in the crypts beneath Winterfell, in a scene that could mean Daenerys is now also aware of Jon’s parentage; Arya loosens a bow and arrow in another echo to the series premiere; and last but not least, Tormund (Kristofer Hivju) announces that Winterfell has until sunrise, if that, to prepare for the Night King and the Army of the Dead.
What are your predictions for Episode 8.02? Who do you think will make it? How uncomfortable is Jaime’s first conversation with Bran (Isaac Hemsptead-Wright) going to be? Chime in below!
HODOR
Oh wow can’t believe I was first to comment!
Looking forward to it
Don’t reckon it will be a full on “Trial” as such for Jaimie because he would have presumably been coming up at the head of an Army
If they were to execute or punish him it would suggest the KL meeting was in bad faith and Cersei was right
I’m hoping to see some Tyrion/Podrick reunions, as well as Lyanna Mormont/Ser Jorah Mormont interactions and of course Sam Tarly lending Heartsbane
I’m expecting Theon to turn up which would make Theon and Bran just as fascinating and Jaimie and Bran meeting
The Northern Lords will be as unhappy to see Theon )sacking of Winterfell) as they are seeing Jaimie (Red Wedding). I’m surprised no one raised it with Tyrion yet
I think NK skips Winterfell and heads straight for KL to “recruit” a million more soldiers. That is how the North will be able to defeat the army of the dead in round 1.
It also gives reason for those in the north to head south in a future episode, giving people like Arya the opportunity to kill Cersei. (I have two theories here: 1- Jaime dies during the battle and she uses his face to get close to Cersei. She kills her as Jaime, fulfilling the prophesy; OR 2- The Hound takes her out after he kills his brother. The prophecy said she was killed by *a* little brother, not necessarily hers.)
I also think Sansa ends up ruling the 7 Kingdoms because Daenerys is dead and Jon wants no part of it, so she names him Warden of the North, having him come full circle with Ned.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Brienne stick up for Jaime given what he told her about the Mad King and the fact that he saved her life, more than once.
Dyanna,
Yes, I think she will come forward, she is known to be trustworthy so her word should carry some weight, I think it will be Bran who settles the matter though.
I wonder if Jon tells Dany in this episode, I would expect him to keep it to himself for a while and distance himself from her. Dany will make friends with the Northerners and then his lineage will come out to disrupt everything again, perhaps after the battle. But time is short, it may all come out straightaway.
Jenny,
Yes more than likely.
Perhaps Dany and Jon in the crypts is a meeting where he reveals his heritage. Knowing Jon I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t say anything but somehow I don’t see it staying a secret or there would be no point in having it as part of the plot.
“We need allies!” said Jon, mark the joining of King Slayer.
The Probability of jaime death rise by 70%, valarmorghulis
I can’t help but wonder if certain people already know. For instance. Varys. Wasn’t he there during the Mad King’s reign and Robert’s Rebellion? So at the very least Varys had to know the war was based on a lie. He must also know the Mad King wanted to burn down the city, so Jaime Lannister was acting to protect the city by killing him. The other thing I found odd, was, if Tywin Lannister and his army were at the gates of the Red Keep, why didn’t the Lannister forces take King’s Landing for themselves, and install Tywin as King? The Targaryens were defeated, so why bother with Robert Baratheon?
I know these questions are off on a tangent, but Jaime being taken to task brought them to mind. I think Brienne will speak up for him if the death of the Mad King becomes an issue.Strategically Dany would be foolish to press too hard about Jaime killing her father. After all, her father also killed the Stark men, Ned’s brother and father. Which is why, while I can understand her bringing it up, why she would be angry about an evil man she never even knew.
Ghost's Lunch,
Also Arya may be able to shed some light on Jaime’s support for the Frey’s and what they did at the Red Wedding. She was there serving them during an intense conversation. I can’t recall exactly what was said, but it was clear that Jaime was no fan of Walder Frey.
I too think the trailer is a misdirect. I’m hoping for public absolution for Jaime’s kingslaying rep, either by Dany or perhaps Bran. But it would be more impactful for Dany to do it since it was her father and it would be good PR.
Also, I wonder if the scene where Dany walks up to Jon in the crypts is actually when Jon will reveal the truth. I also wonder if we’ll see him breaking the news to his siblings/cousins. I don’t expect him to make any grand public announcement but I can see someone else definitely outing his royal status in front of everyone.
Also, hoping for another Arya-Gendry scene, a Sansa-Sandor reunion, and a Jaime-Brienne reunion. I’m also assuming we’ll see Theon arrive at Winterfell? But all tensions and reunions will of course be interrupted by the arrival of the dead.
Mild episode title spoiler
We have until sunrise, strange. I though the battle was fought at night? Or do the WW block the sun in some kind of way?
Do we get to see Mel this episode, Theon? GC? Can’t wait.
Dark Sister,
I wouldn’t be surprised that we get a 180 turn this episode when looking at episode 1. Episode 1 shed Dany in a bad light with some main characters like Sam. I think episode 2 will be the other way around. Dany will forgive Jaime but Sansa arya not. At least that is what I hope. That both sides make a mistake, both have to admit their mistakes later on in the episode, and the healing can begin.
It can give Sam also a dynamic this season, what if he then thinks, Dany can be merciful, and is torn because of the truthbomb he shared last episode.
I don’t think the issue of Jon’s parentage would come up again until the war is over with the Night King and Cersei. Jon would try to distance himself from Dany not because she is his aunt (this is GoT, incest is not a big deal), but because of what Sam told him about how she executed his brother and father. I agree with you about Brianne and Bran sticking up for Jamie…. That will be exactly how it goes down; that surprised face of Jamie is when Bran speaks for his behalf.
Knowing Jon, I can’t see him keeping anything a secret for long. My guess is Dany finds out this episode.
Bran obviously already knows or can see the scene when Jaime killed the mad king and why, so thuth will out.
The NK moving on to KL without caring about Winterfell ???? Why would we have heard of the mega huge battle of Winterfell for months, then ?
For me, even if easy theory, Tyrion (married to Queen Sansa, why not) on the throne as the true Targaryen heir, with Jon as Warden of the north.
Roz’s Ghost,
Yes, I also think that book Varys knows or might suspect, but he’s on board with fAegon, according to my favourite theory. In the show, he probably doesn’t but it might affect his loyalties to Daenerys.
Btw, if Mel shows up, will Jon forgive her? (and what about Davos) She would be a useful ally, but he warned her about returning North. But he could give the decision to Daenerys, since she is in charge.
HelloThere,
I think we can assume that is not the episode title, because then episode 1 would have been called “Winter is here” and it was winterfell.
Roz’s Ghost,
I hope this is right, Robert’s grandmother was Rhaelle Targaryen, and the founder of House Baratheon was rumoured to be the bastard half brother of Aegon the Conquerer, so he had the best claim to the throne and the support of the other Houses. I suppose it was all pre arranged, if Twyin had tried to claim the throne, the war may have continued, so he shipped Cersei off as part of the deal.
How so? Are we gonna see Jon in drag? 😀
I’m all for it. At least something remotely interesting would happen with the character for once.
I think the clue to Dany’s attitude in Jaime’s “trial” may lie in Davos’s “what if the Seven Kingdoms, for once… were ruled by a just woman and an honourable man” line in the previous episode.
That sort of line is begging for an ironic twist, with Daenerys possibly being exposed as unjust and Jon doing something dishonourable, perhaps to claim the throne itself.
They’ve already introduced the Tarly execution to cast doubt on Dany’s judgement.
Next up is Jaime’s trial. I think anybody expecting her to be lenient and forgiving might want to prepare for the worst.
I definitely think Jon tells Daenerys almost right away. If nothing else, he needs to tell whoever it might matter to as urgently as Sam needed to tell him because all of them may die tomorrow and they don’t want to die with secrets.
As for the Night King, he absolutely should skip Winterfell. Let the existing Army of the Dead do what they can to weaken Jon and Dany, but dude has a dragon. He needs to be going to the Riverlands and Crownlands, taking a stop at every battlefield and graveyard he can find, to make a truly unstoppable army that will attack from all directions at once. I don’t think the resolution to the Long Night ultimately rests in defeating the dead on the battlefield. Magic and prophecy have to play in somehow. Bran and Melisandre still need to play a central role.
But who knows? It wouldn’t exactly surprise me if the rest of the season after this episode is just a whole lot of battles, but hopefully not. Still have the battles, sure, but this really should be more like LOTR where mankind can band together all they want and have a few triumphs in the battlefields, but you can only throw back the forces of Mordor for a time. You can’t defeat them. You need to strike at the source of their power. The difference in this case is we don’t yet know what the source of the Night King’s power is.
Plus, I think Jon and Dany have a huge power advantage is a straight up battle. So far, the Army of the Dead has been virtually unstoppable because they’ve been attacking unprepared villages and refugee camps full of people with no way to fight them. Daenerys united six Khalasars. The Unsullied are the most disciplined army on the planet. Whatever is left of the north’s remaining largest armies from the Karstarks and Manderlys is at Winterfell, along with the Knights of the Vale. This is probably 150,000 men, most of them mounted, armed with dragonglass, with two dragons giving the air support. We saw six guys hold back hundreds of the dead at that stupid lake battle because of how hilariously easy they are to stop when you have dragonglass weapons, and then Drogon shows up with his brothers and they take out probably a thousand of the dead within a minute of arriving.
Winterfell is probably the stupidest place in all of the world for them to attack. Nowhere else has tens of thousands of mounted soldiers armed with basically kryptonite and reinforced by huge aerial flamethrowers. Not to mention Viserion isn’t even that great of a weapon in a way. The Night King’s biggest advantage in battle is he can raise everyone he kills, but that isn’t true if he kills them with fire. Having a dragon is a huge mobility advantage, though. He can go anywhere on the continent and raise those who are already dead. And walls can’t stop him.
I think that could potentially become a bone of contention.
Jon ordered Melisandre never to return to The North, despite her insistence that she could help him win the war against the Army of the Dead, such was Jon’s strength of feeling on the matter of Shireen’s murder.
If Daenerys were to overrule Jon then it would expose the level of decision-making power that Jon had surrendered to her. He would no longer be free to follow through on his own convictions and administer justice for those that follow him (Davos).
Davos did say that if Melisandre returned to The North he would kill her himself. That seemed redundant at the time, since Jon had just threatened to execute her. But perhaps Davos will feel it necessary to follow through on his threat because Jon is unable to follow through on his.
802 is in a weird spot to me. The premeire was hugely anticipated obviously and we got some reunions/dragon riding/Aegon reveal and 803 is the much anticipated Battle of Winterfell. Doesn’t look like we’ll see the AotD until next episode, so likely no major deaths either.
Looking like Jaime’s “trial”, which will amount to nothing since he can be seen fighting at WF in the trailer and also the final preparations for the war. John Bradley said every episode this season is like an “episode 9”, but I can see this being the weakest episode of the season. Episodes 3-6 should all be massive not just in terms of episode length but scope as well with the battles and closing out the story.
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Guess:
Jorah finally talks to Lyanna Mormont. Gets the same “Remember yo fam, dude?” Speech that Arya gave Jon.
Shakes him. Dany gets a little too snarky about Sam and the Tarlys and Jorah turns.
That sends her all the way over the edge.
if the episode ends with the WWs pulling up on the dead horse from the end of the trailer im going to piss me-self!
I’m hoping for some more Arya & Sandor this episode. I really hope to see them both start acknowledging their feelings towards one another by letting their guard down.
Gendry will likely complete that staff he’s making for her, so we’ll get some more of them as well (+ more flirting would be awesome!).
I’m also very interested to find out whether Bran tells people that Jaime pushed him out the window all those years ago. In a recent interview with NCW, he said that if that knowledge became public, Jaime would be a dead man in a snap, so this might be a way to show that there is still humanity left in Bran because he knows how Arya and Sansa would react if they knew.
My Predictions:
1. Mel returns to the story showing up somewhere unexpected, like maybe the Iron Islands with Yara. Also possible she will instead just have a scene in Volantis to set up returning in a new glamour disguise to join team Fire and Blood Magic.
2. Jaime’s day in court will be about a clash of ruling styles as much as it will be about Jaime. We will feel cautiously positive about Dany’s reactions to the Jon reveal and Jaime’s arrival but stay tuned. More fire and blood to come. Probably the House Glover situation will be what reminds us to worry a bit.
3. Cersei will begin to move her chess pieces. She will seem cozy with Euron for now, but stay tuned.
4. Maybe Riverlands and other kingdoms will have a brief hello.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
All kinds of potential here:
Dany wants to kill Jaime: Brienne and Sansa have reasons for why not. Tyrion obviously. Jon and Davos see a good general
Jon and Davos want to kill Mel. Dany sees an ally and a strong woman. Even Bran might be like, “no, we need her.”
But then Mel reveals who Gendry is. Dany like, “OK, kill that usurper kid” and Arya like, “Aw, hayell naw” and Jon like “naw, he good at running”
Then Theon shows and Northerners like “Ok, kill THIS one” and Sansa like “he helped, you people didn’t” and Jon like “naw, he kewl”
Lots of conflict
Personally I expect the second episode to be much stronger than the first, since it’ll be able to flow more naturally as the story demands; it won’t have to concern itself with setting up the season and reuniting a dozen characters or having them meet for the first time.
She won’t execute Jaime : we saw him on the ramparts of Winterfell during the battle in the preview.
Somehow, I think Bran is going to save Jamie.
FRAN,
Sure. We know Jaime doesn’t get executed. But that doesn’t necessarily mean Dany won’t want to.
Perhaps she’s prevented from doing so – there’s a shot of her looking pissed off with Sansa, so perhaps Sansa does something to undermine her intentions.
Or perhaps she’s convinced to postpone his punishment until after the war with the Army of the Dead.
There are ways in which she could expose herself without Jaime being executed that same episode.
It’ll be interesting to see how things go down.
I predict Dany ends the dialogue in the preview after we used to talk about all of the things we would do him with something along the likes of but I know he was an evil man (outlines his crimes … didn’t Tyrion tell her about burn them all and the wildfire?) and I am not my father… she would already be wrestling with the Tarley thing and not want to go there at this critical time.
Right? RIGHT??? 🙃
i expect mel will turn up in ep 4 once the survivors have left winterfell, and she ill be key to defeating the night king in ep 5
i just hope this episode isn’t rushed again, and is better than the last which was easily the worst of all seasons, it shouldn’t be rushed, reunions are over, the king is coming, it should be urgent preparation and fear. so i expect a good episode on this one. with the dead arriving at the end,
but you never know, they could have more cheesy dragon riding, or more weird kings landing stuff, and gendry rowing somehwere
WorfWWorfington,
Indeed. Things are gonna get messy.
sellsword,
Doesnt sound like you know what rushed means
I just want to know what the trebuchet is firing at in the episode preview
Reek,
enlighten me, o wise three eyed raven
Probably Dany will order the execution but it will be postponed after the big battle. Tyrion will help Jaime to escape from prison andhe will fight at Winterfell.
Roz’s Ghost,
Because Tywin is too smart to do that. Doing so would risk the rebel’s coalition turning against him and spark a civil war with potentially 6 of the 7 kingdoms aligned against the Lannisters. The Stark/Baratheon/Arryn/Tully army was already on its way to KL and the Tyrell army was in the Stormlands. Much less risky and more effective to stay aligned with the other rebels and become the power behind the throne.
Edit:
There would also be a fair chance of such a move by Tywin shattering the realm back into its previous collection of independent kingdoms.
sellsword,
Well, you know what they say about opinions…
You say easily the worst episode and that it was rushed. I say it was the 2nd or 3rd best premier episode and easily among the average GOT episodes. I’ve also seen people complain that it was too slow.
Tyrion did tell her.
Now if after all this she still wants to kill him, fine.. It undermines her future dialogues with Yara [in 6×10] and Jon [in 7×03], but I just hope they don’t treat it as some kind of new information for Dany.
I suppose it’s also possible that the 8×02 preview is a ‘fake out’
I like your idea. She might even specifically address the fact her father killed two Starks (grandfather and uncle [I think] to Sansa, Bran, Arya) and use the moment as an example to put the past behind (even ask for forgiveness?) and focus on the present challenges.
Ramsay’s 20th Good Man,
Wow, my mind just blew a bit with the potential storyline of Dany pardoning Melisandre and then Davos killing her. Except, add on that then Dany makes the decision to execute Davos. If we are looking for problems between Jon & Dany then there is a realistic starting point.
I hope Jon doesn’t go telling everyone the news of his parentage, particularly Dany. I would rather people find out because Sam or Bran let it slip, or perhaps Jon confides in Arya and she tells Sansa, who uses it to try and knock Dany down a peg.
Obviously we know Jaime makes it to some battle. So he won’t be executed. Bran is likely to speak up for him. I see Dany wanting him executed, with Sansa actually agreeing with her. Jon will argue for mercy, knowing they need every man they can get, particularly a battle commander.
Other than that, I have no idea what to expect. I’m amazed at just how unspoiled I am, for the most part. I do remember filming reports that likely spoiled the outcome of the battle at Winterfell.
I like that. That would be the smart way to handle it. But it doesn’t really add drama, so the show may not go that route. I think the show will give Brienne an opportunity to speak up on Jaime’s behalf, which doesn’t really work if Dany excuses Jaime. But I hope I’m wrong lol.
Tyrion Pimpslap,
well yeah just a opinion,. some get a little bothered if its different, but i really like seeing others views, next one will be good i think which i was trying to say,
sellsword,
No problem. The world would be a boring place if everyone agreed on everything.
I have no idea what to expect from this episode, but I hope to see the AOTD in action. Perhaps through Lord Glover’s eyes, which I hope turn blue.
I can see the logic in that. But what did Jon say in S7, ep7? The North has a million (or half a million) people in it. Conquer the North, and the NK has a million (or half a million) more soldiers. We know that the Northern Houses have been summoned to Winterfell, and appear to be bringing most of their people. So Winterfell may have over 100,000 people in or near it. Plus Dany’s 2 Great Armies.
Heading straight to KL assumes that the NK has the intel to know that KL exists and has that many people. And is not easily defensible (it isn’t). He can only know that if he did a flyover on Viserion. KL didn’t exist the last time he may have been that far south, which would have 6,000 – 10,000 years in the past.
It’s like people never watch the previous seasons or they only seem to remember controversial scemes of dany..
The conversation dany had with tyrion at their first meeting and the conversation dany had with Jon in their first conversation alone must give us a pretty clear idea how dany will be treating jamie when she sees him for the first time..
If that’s not enough no one is going to tease like they did in the trailer if dany wants him to be executed ..
I’m with the majority here in believing Dany will–as continuity demands-follow up her speech with something like, “But I’ve since learned my brother was wrong, and my father was a mad king, who would have let the world burn if you hadn’t stopped him” or something.
But Arya saw him at the Freys and knows he injured her father and killed Jory.
And Sansa-as we know-hates Lannisters and this is Joffrey’s father and Cersei’s lover. So I don’t know if she’ll be as forgiving or trusting. I could be wrong. Maybe she and Brienne have had offscreen heart to hearts. Who knows?
I think it will probably be Brienne and Bran who come to Jaime’s rescue.
I think at the end of this Dany will be most upset with Tyrion, which will be referenced in her Sansa library chat.
I’m also thinking Dany is going to have a rough episode with reveals and possible chat with Bran.
I definitely want a Sansa/Sandor, at least eye contact reunion. Along with some acknowledgment of LF death and Jon riding a dragon. Varys? yoohoo?
I’m already wishing this episode was longer. There are so many conversations I want to eavesdrop on!
Also-no one threatens Davos! Don’t even joke about it. lol
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Yes. Oh maybe a bunch of Glover’s men come riding in terrified and let us know Lord Glover met a super grisly end. Something to look forward to.
(I’m so mean)
😂😂😂
WorfWWorfington,
/coffee out nose
Great to have you back, Worf!!!
Coming to the episode Iam really looking forward to see dany and bran having a chat..
I do think that line from bran in trailer about “everything you did lead you to here ” is said towards dany ..
But I do hope that conversation happen after jon and dany scene in the crypts and hopefully jon tells her about the parentage..
Joyce Sherman,
Ditto. I think that’s precisely why Bran stayed up all night in the courtyard “waiting for an old friend.”
Whoever those people are, they need to lay off the meth.
I’ve already voiced my own complaints about Ep1, and I don’t wish to beat a dead horse (I’ll leave that to the WW). Having said that… of course I’m looking forward to re-watching it tomorrow before Ep2!!!
Also, beef-and-bacon pie. Tomorrow’s medieval-food experiment.
They, or at least some, already know who and what Gendry is. Gendry straight up told Jon when they met in the dragonglass cave. Davos knows. One might assume the rest of the ‘magnificent seven’ know since he was “whinging” about Mel the whole time. Maybe some don’t know but it doesn’t seem like it’s being kept much of a secret. He’s no threat to anyone as it is if they do know since he’s just a bastard. Mel wanted him for his blood but beyond that he has no claim.
Way behind, so haven’t read the above posts, just my two cents:
Been watching 1-10, and somehow forgot that Jaime confessed to Catelyn…..which makes it more crazy that she let him go. I also remembered what a horrid man Jaime was at the beginning of the show, and now I am hoping that the North will use him to help defend humanity. Perhaps that’s what Bran will want
After the discussion here this week, and rewatching last weeks episode, I have come to the conclusion that Dany will kill anyone who stands in her way once she hears the news about jon.
Ok, back to reading ……
I’m going to say I’m torn about the Jon reveal.
Last season he had a speech about honesty, and it’s a big part of his personality so I think, “Oh he’s definitely going to tell Dany”
But on the other hand, he doesn’t want any part of this. The Night King is coming and he doesn’t even want the throne, plus he loves her and she clearly DOES want the throne.
He is more like Ned than any of Ned’s children are, Robb included, so it’s going to be rough for him.
If he told everyone, Bran, Sam and Varys would have to explain that there was no rape or kidnapping. That Ned’s father and brother died for nothing. What initiated the war to get rid of Aerys (that was probably going to happen anyway) was based on a lie etc.
Right now when the dead are marching, it might be too much for those already fickle Northern lords to handle.
I think he’ll feel that Arya, Sansa and Dany need to know. I’m not sure he’ll be the one to tell them.
Unless Dany and Sansa go crazy in power struggle that puts people’s lives in jeopardy and the only way to unify everyone is to claim his heritage. Because “we don’t have time for this”
🙂
Wolfish,
I’ve watched it in entirety six times so far. Well, I skipped Lyanna’s “speech” four times, so… almost. 😜 I wouldn’t call it slow either or even boring. Most of the season premiere episodes have been on the meh side as they get things jump-started. This one was pretty good and some big steps were taken. I’m not sure what some were expecting. Big action and battle immediately?
I figured they just bring darkness with them. It would be a really cool visual if they get into formation during daylight but the walkers bring darkness with them.
Episode 2 is an opportunity for the characters to choose to work together. Jamie (Bran can confirm) will be able to tell everyone that Cerci lied and is working to destroy them. Hopefully that will snap Tyrion out of his slump (he indirectly caused the death of the Sands, Lady Olenna leading to the death of the Tarly’s) with his over cautious advice. If Jamie is lucky Brienne can say that he became the Kingslayer to save the people of Kings Landing (again Bran can confirm as he’s a search engine in need of the right query). No one is blameless in war or the game and he could be brought cautiously into the fold. Both Lannisters need a wake up call about their sister.
Che,
If episode 3 isn’t titled “The Long Night” I riot! Well, not really, but I will offer one or two strongly worded posts voicing my displeasure.
I heard that Battle for Winterfell is going to be based on LotR’s Helm’s Deep battle.
In the season trailer we could see Varys and women hiding in the crypts – just like in the said LotR’s battle.
I remember there was an old man, that couldn’t hold the arrow and he shoot it early.
I think it is Arya, who shoots the arrow first.
The Stark/Tully/Arryn/Baratheon alliance was much more powerful than the Lannisters. Tywin couldn’t proclaim himself king, he could only join the winning side.
Vally,
we already got to see him in drag
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Jenny,
Also, didn’t Tywin wait to join the rebellion at the end after Rhaegar was defeated when it was obvious who was going to win? It was Roberts Rebellion. He was the leader.
Che,
To me this line “before the sun comes up tomorrow” doesn’t sound like an anwer to “when does the AOTD arrive?” It’ more like “that’s how long we have to live”. IMO it’s from a different dialog, but nevertheless that’s the mood the showrunners try to convey: this is it – that’s how long the charracters got to establish their legacy before they pass to eternity, that’s how they feel. And for some of them it will be true.
RG,
I’m also wondering about how Jon’s true status will be revealed publicly and I have a gut feeling that Jaime’s trial may serve as a trigger. We left Jon highly conflicted: he even said that a potential reveal would be a treason (and in many ways it would). However, if Dany starts threatening Jaime in a serious way, I can see Jon revealing his status and claiming the position of the rightful king to protect him.
The only problem, I’m confused with Dany’s hostility towards Jaime. When she arrived to Dragonpit, she didn’t give him a single look and later they even had a small, but cooperative exchange. So, her hostility looks like a continuity error. On the other hand, some extra trigger may come into play. Maybe, Jaime will be trying to cover up Cersei’s treason claiming that the Lannister army is on the way and the truth will be revealed by Theon who will tell everyone that Cersei has just ferried the Golden Company to Westeros?
Tyrion Pimpslap,
+1 on lord glover being killed. But I have to say the following. Yes he deserves it. But does the rest of the people at deep moat deserve it? There are lot of innocent people there.
And I have to agree with you. 8×01 was one of the best of the show. I really enjoyed it. The only part that felt rushed was the theon part. The rest was great.
Dragonbringer,
Most of time we do not agree when it comes to Dany. But now I do. I don’t think dany will be the one wanting to execute Jaime. She knows that viserys was an evil man and her father also. Yes I think she will do some trial for him but only to make sure that Jaime walks free without the north complaining. And we need brienne etc to get him off the hook. I also think it’s the north that force the trial.
Dragonbringer,
I think that conversation is towards theon. Theon got his forgiveness from Jon and Sansa. But not to bran and Arya. I think bran forgives him and make sure he knows winterfell is his home.
ash,
The beauty of this show is that yes Jaime was some sort of evil in season 1. But we later learn that ned had a huge influence in that. If ned didn’t judge him the way he did after mad kings dead he wouldn’t become arrogant but instead more like he is now. Loyal.
Che,
That would be cool.
I was just thinking. That if dany will lose his shit this season I don’t think it will be in episode 2 or 3. And if it happens it means our beloved misandei will die in episode 3.
Natalia emmanual told that she will stay loyal to Dany. But if dany loses her shit I don’t see how she could stay loyal. Even misandei has her limits. The only way misandei could stay loyal (till the end) if dany loses her shit after she dies.
And about Jon. I think he will tell Dany in private but states he will not proclaim it. I think he will when she goes to far around episode 4 or 5.
Inga,
After Jamie gave Lady Olenna her last cup of wine Dany avenged her and showed him what happened when you mess with the Dragon Queen. He tried to kill her with a spear and she saw him. The meeting with Cerci brought a cease fire so they played nice.
Inga,
It never occurred to me that he would still try to protect Cersei-I guess it should have.
He might say she’s not sending her army but omit the GC info?
I’m kind of hoping for a full confession here though.
As for Dany, we don’t know what’s happening before or after. Maybe Sansa and Arya mention Bran or Ned first and Dany jumps on the bandwagon.
Maybe she’s just underlining her differences from her brother and father.
There’s no scenario where she’s just mad at him for killing her father, because she’s already admitted on multiple occasions to Yara and Jon etc that she knows her dad was an evil man.
Which brings me to my random thought of the day. No one has mentioned Cersei blowing up the Sept or the shades of Mad King that brought to mind. Will they in relation to Jaime killing Aerys to save people from the wildfire, but not Cersei?
Arya knows. I think Hot Pie told her. Sam knows because he was at Citadel. But I don’t think anyone has told Jon or Dany about it. Tyrion doesn’t seem upset. Wouldn’t Dany be like-you’ve all been trying to keep me from taking my dragons to the Red Keep, but Cersei blew up an entire Sept full of people. Does that seem fair to you?
It seems like an important point. Especially considering how much wildfire is left in KL
Brienne and Bran will back Jaime up.
Someone will snark at someone else.
Someone will make a cryptic comment.
Theon shows up and wonders how many damn times Winterfell gets rebuilt.
Nobody dies unless they step on a nail.
Ghost still won’t show up, because fuck everyone.
Spoiler :
My guess is he gets the “home” speech from Bran and tells Jon the same thing Jon told him = “. you’re both”. And ugh, it’s so predictable that I hope it isn’t right.
Your nail comment made me immediately think of the “Die Hard” movie when the Swat team approaches the building in 4 X 4 formation and then one of the big tough guys gets pricked by a thorn from a Rose bush! That was funny, but also really clever, because all of those weapons and vests didn’t help much with something as simple as a Rose bush. Of course that just made me think of poor house Tyrell after talking about the Rose bush..
Oh so his dickedness is Neds fault? One look at Tywin’s actions, and how his twin turned out, seems like it was already in the genes, folk
RG,
I have wondered that too; At the end of the season, Jaime says to Cersei , we have to talk about Tommen. And she basically blows him off. Seriously This is a major event that happened in the city and there is no mention of family members being a tad upset about it. No other characters make mention of it. Just too weird
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My predictions for the episode:
– Dany and Sansa have tense conflicting motives during Jaime’s trial – Bran has the final say though and stuns everyone with a reveal of some kind (not convinced he reveals how he came to fall from that tower though).
– Dany and Sansa begin to bond
– Sansa and Sandor reunite
– Jon tells Dany what he has found out. Or she finds out some other way. That trailer shot with her shutting her eyes on true sadness will be a part of her reaction I think
– Cersei will make a mistake
– Sam discover something game changing in the Winterfell library but it will be a last minute thing just as AOTD arrive and he can’t do much about it.
– some war prep will happen and Arya will wow Jon with her ninja skills
– Jon will brood
– The end of the episode will show the allies getting into formation at sunrise as Tormund suggests, but they will be met with a supernatural darkness sweeping in. We’ll see that sweeping shot of our heroes’ resolute faces and then cut to that undead horse hoof, then end of episode. I reckon we’re due a mighty cliffhanger.
If you look the inside hbo season 3 episode 5 fragment you know it’s true. They even talked about it
Benioff: “I think the great reveal is that Jaime was actually heroic in that moment, and actually was saving lives. It is his pride that has kept him from revealing the truth for all these years, and so he’s been poisoned by the slander he’s had to endure.”
Weiss: “Jaime’s always been a fascinating character, because he’s someone who starts out in such an awful, seemingly irredeemable place. And by the time you get to this point in the story, you’re really starting to see him as a person who’s presented with a lot of impossible choices that he was forced to make, that have turned him into this seemingly irredeemable character.”
Going by what benioff says the slander is that what ned did. That was also the whole point of that bath scene in season 3 episode 5. And that slander poisoned his mind. The only fault with Jaime was his pride and that he didn’t speak his mind right there. If he just spoke out ned right there and eased his mind he probably never would have let cersei further poison his mind.
You even see when Jaime talk for the first time in 17 years to brienne about that moment that a certain burden has been lift. You can see it in brienne’s eyes that that moment that ned judged him made him the arrogant man he was till that moment. That’s why she asked why he didn’t tell ned the truth. In which he replied that ned wouldn’t have believe him otherwise. The way Jaime told that sentence made it clear that Ned’s slander weighted heavily on him.
That’s the reason after this outing of Jaime he changed to a more loyal, fighting for good kind of guy. The only one that poisoned him was cersei after that.
And if you think about it. Was ned even allowed to judge Jaime right there. Yes Jaime has forsaken his oath right there by killing the current king. But so was ned. He fought in the rebellion even when he made a oath to the crown. He committed treason. I understand Ned’s motives and I suport them. But still I think jaimes action was more heroic than that of Ned’s. Jaime was cursed for it. Ned praised.
Ps. I still don’t put the whole blame to ned. Jaime still decided himself to take that route instead of calling out Ned’s slander. But for me this made the story better. The bad man we thought was one of the most heroic one. And the most honorable man we knew in the story,did something that’s not right at all. It make all the characters more Grey and better.
Che,
Sounds about right. And I think theon will arrive in winterfell.
Do you know what I was thinking about. People are claiming episode 1 is rushed. But am I happy they rush somethings and we didn’t get an walking dead way of telling the story. And all the coming together was stretched over 5 episodes.
Kevin1989,
And then there’s also a ton of people complaining that “nothing happened” too.
Are there truly that many people who thought the season premiere would start by immediately wrapping up storylines and delve right into the action without ever acknowledging the many overdue reunions or even set up the battles?
Like, seriously, did they even watch seasons 1-7? Do they understand the basics of storytelling? At all?
And “rushed”? No, I don’t think so. I’ll agree that most of the exchanges were brief and to the point, but you gotta remember they’re preparing for war. Is this really the time for long scenes of exposition? And also it’s just the first episode.
What do some people even expect? I just don’t get it.
It seems like the writers truly can’t win, regardless of how they’ve written these final episodes.
Also:
One month from now we’ll be discussing the ending.
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Roz’s Ghost,
Because Robert had the whole of the North, the Knights of the Vale and the army of Riverrun under his banner — and the Stormlands army was large on its own. Robert had Tywin outnumbered 3-1 and Robert’s Army was battle-hardened.
Tywin was late to the Baratheon cause, but he came because Robert and Ned were going to win whether the Lannisters supported the Targs or not – and the Lannisters would have been crushed if they opposed him.
Tywin did not take the Iron Throne because he knew he could not hold it. He would have died.
Theon also is the one who learned most recently of the secret escape from Winterfell. That’s probably going to be huge in Episode 3.
Why would Varys know? Rhaegar never returned to Kings Landing after he eloped with Lyanna. Varys is very good at collecting information in particular areas, and his networking tactics would be very good at unearthing plots. However, it would not be good at anticipating sudden decisions by a very small number of people operating outside of a city or at least a major town. A spur-of-the-moment decision by two people with very little prior warning is not something that one can monitor with little birds!
Given that war broke out soon after, communications & spy networks would both have fallen into disarray and been focused on the war effort. Why would Varys have wasted valuable resources trying to assess whether the assumed cause was true? Indeed, even if he had learned, it would have changed nothing: would Ned and the other Northerners have accepted the truth? (That’s rhetorical: obviously, they would not have done so because they would not want to hear it.)
Did you post your idea about the Red Church’s Milita here? I think that it’s a good one!
I think you’re right. As soon as I saw/heard that scene in the previews, I thought: “that’s the kind of statement that is usually followed up with at “but …”.
That’s not at all “rhetorical”; Ned would absolutely have been willing to listen to any alternative explanation for Lyanna’s situation, had it been offered.
However, this would not have affected the macro-situation, because that was driven by Aerys executing Lord Rickard, Brandon, et al. and demanding Robert and Ned’s unjust executions. From that point everyone had to choose between upholding the tyranny of the Iron Throne and defending the rights of the wrongfully accused. Ned, Robert, Lord Arryn and Lord Tully picked the latter; Rhaegar and Varys chose the former.
Wimsey,
Even setting aside that the idea of huge numbers of people escaping the Night King via a secret tunnel is quite silly and hasn’t been set up at all, there’s no basis for thinking that Theon somehow has more information about this than the Starks, whose home it is. A throwaway mention from Luwin six seasons ago that didn’t even involve him using the tunnel is quite a slender reed to build a theory on.
There is no reason to think that. One of Ned’s failings is that he is quite naive, and he simply would not have wanted to consider that his sister would have done something so dishonorable. (Yes, we know that there probably was a lot more to what happenings; but one of the key drivers of the plots in these stories is people not knowing the “why” of what is happening.)
1) It’s a prediction, not a theory;
2) The crypts being important borders on being a hung gun given how many times the crypts have come up in small ways; look for it’s importance to be something that has come up before;
3) It won’t be everyone going through the crypts; first, a huge chunk of the forces will be killed; second, other forces will flee in other directions;
Yeah we have all assumed they are just some mindless meandering horde killing the next closest thing without taking into account they are somewhat perversely cultured with strategic concepts and strategic goals. I reckon the Wight attack on Winterfell is like Robbs fake attack on Tywin while he makes a beeline for KL with all the North Eastern Forts vacated and the RL a wasteland at this point.
Just something nagging at me, the attack on Winterfell seems to be led in through a WW on Horseback rather than an Ice Dragon as such. I reckon the Dragon over KL in Brans earlier vision is NK over Viserion,
I reckon he destroys it with Ice Fire as we saw in Dany’s HoU vision and takes the Iron Throne (from Cersei) the final episodes is everyone rallying behind Jon/Aegon to retake KL with Melisandre giving him Dawn from Dorne as they follow from Winterfell to KL and we can climax everything there
I reckon Jon/Aegon and Dany die though along with pretty much most of the others, but with Sansa becoming Queen in the North rather than 7 Kingdoms which may not even exist at that point which completes her arc as set up in S1, eg she was desperate to go South and become Queen but instead she’ll embrace the North and the North will embrace her (I reckon this is RL and the Vale in the books though)
Tactically, wouldn’t it make more sense for the NK to hit Winterfell and expand his army? Moreover, why would Kings Landing even be in the NK’s plans just now? We have no reason to think that the NK is even aware of it. Conversely, we do have reason to think that the NK knows about Bran and might even have means of knowing where Bran is.
Ghost’s Lunch,
Alternatively, the non-speaking supernatural non-characters are dealt with and defeated in episode 3 and the rest of the season deals with the human drama and the complexities provided by characters we know something about.
Dyanna,
all that, is before she finds out about jaime pushing bran out of the window. once she hears about that, i expect her to revert back to her position with him prior to their conversation in the hotbath. Her current position with him is based on her believing that he has been badly misjudged, But, surely finding out that he was pushing bran out off a window, all while rutting with his sister, will cause her to review her position on him.
Roz’s Ghost,
tywin switched sides during the rebellion to make sure that he was on the winning side at the end. that is why he would not sanction a grab for the throne. tywin was nothing if not a realist. tywin knew that the lannisters had no chance against the combined forces of the rebels, and he also knew that robert was only inclined to give one chance.
Varrys would also have been doing exactly what he will be doing during the aotd attack on winterfell, ie; hiding in the tunnels under the red keep, so he would not have been a witness to whatever transpired between jaime and the mad king.
I agree with this part. I can’t even see how bran would see it as he being pushed out of the window any more. to him it would feel like it all happened to another person, and he is aware enough to know that it was an event that had to happen. so, he will just say something like. ‘hey guys, i’m not cut up about it and it was me that it happened to. if i can get over it then surely so can you.’ imo
There is absolutely nothing wrong with daenerys judgement. anyone who understands anything at all about medieval lore will understand that daenerys offer of life if randyll bent the knee was an overly kind gesture. to a medieval society it was tyrion that would have come across as a mewling milksop. Her judgement was absolutely prudent and did honour to lady oleanna’s words ‘you are a dragon, be a dragon.’ Don’t just believe me however judge for yourself
https://i.imgur.com/aQPrVX9.png
This was a civil war in which the armies from both sides came from the same kingdom, as is the case with daenerys v the lannisters. and, the tarleys are part of that. civil wars are viewed the most dimly by kingdoms, as it is a kingdom doing injury to itself from within, and traditionally there is no quarter offered or given in such cases. Some may argue that daenerys army does not come from westeros and so therefore it is not technically a civil war. this is a moot point, as daenerys has declared herself the rightful queen of the seven kingdoms, and so by doing, the lannisters are automatically her vassals by implication. of course, if they don’t wish to be, they can always embark on civil war. and that is the crux of it. daenerys judgement and actions were totally prudent. And, one can only wonder, if she had been a man at that moment making that decision, would she have been viewed in such a harsh light.
I make such a heavy point of this, because all over the net, i read that daenerys judgement was flawed on this occasion. I think not. And I think that anyone who thinks that she is, has their head firmly planted in the 21st century, where that kind of judgement would not be well received. I say this and I am a man. So, it has nothing to do with me taking a biassed view.
King in the North East,
Even in the first seasons reunions were maybe 2 minutes max. And I am happy how they portrait it, for instance Lotr can be seen as slow but those character moments there make the movie perfect. Same with GoT without all those character moments the action would be pointless.
Wimsey,
+1
RG,
I’m pretty sure everyone in the kingdom and beyond knows about that. When everyone was in Kings Landing to show the wight the hole would have been visible throughout the city as it was on one of the 3 hills. It would seem that at least one comment in all the dialogue would have been made… Kind of like being in Paris and never mentioning a burned Notre Dame soon after it happened….
I agree. He knows where Bran is as he carries the mark on his arm. I also think that the NK is specifically after Bran as he is the 3ER and he needs to destroy him before he discovers the means to stop the NK.
The lack of any titles is still really weird.
Justification of one’s actions. where does it stop? justification, is the most human of failings. before you are done you will find yourself trying to justify charles mansons actions. pfft. fact; jaime lannister killed a king. he stabbed him with a sword. he is a king slayer, no matter what slant you want to put on it. and it wasn’t just ‘a king’ it was the king that he had taken solemn vows to protect the life of. There were many other options open to jaime that he chose not to take. he is a lannister for crying out loud. He has oodles of money, he could have hired anyone in kings landing to dong the old king on the back of the head and bind him up in a bit of carpet and keep him in a closet somewhere until ned’s arrival and then hand him over for their judgement. jaime could have done that under the banner “i was protecting the king, who, had quite obviously gone mad, from himself” and thus satisfied his job description. But the very worst thing he could do, was, as a kings guard, take matters into his own hand and kill him, himself.
As for Ned being guilty of the same level of treason? that holds no water. Unlike a kingsguard pledge, a nobles vow to his liege lord is a two way street, and it is worded something like this
Lord1″I offer my services [Lord’s name]. I will shield your back and keep your counsel and give my life for yours if need be. I swear it by the Old Gods and the New.”
Lord2: “And I vow that you shall always have a place by my hearth, and meat and mead at my table. And I pledge to ask no service of you that might bring you dishonor. I swear it by the Old Gods and the New. Arise.”
Aerys broke his part of the vow first, by wrongfully burning neds father and brother. as that pact had already been broken there was no vow in place that ned could break. simple case of non existence. the dead can not die. the broken can not be broke.
I only saw the first episode on my computer screen so am going to try to watch the first and second episodes back to back (to see what kind of movie that D&D might have made if they had gone down that route). Hopefully the two will work together well.
My predictions for 8ep02 (many of which have already been mentioned above):
1. Daenerys faces off with Jaime and allows him to live, showing Sam and others that she is capable of mercy. (hopefully brienne stands up for him)
2. Sansa faces off with Daenerys and warms to her as Daenerys respects her acumen (not her beauty).
3. Jon tells Daenerys that he is her newphew and Daenerys accepts it, perhaps saying she always knew he had to have Targ blood. They agree that the question of ruling the seven kingdoms should be decided after the war, but that they can do it together if they survive.
4. Sam feels more positively towards Daenerys and gives Heartsbane to Jorah. I do think a Mormont reunion would be great but not sure if that will happen as I do not see how it moves the plot forward unless it shows Jorah relinquishing his claim to House Mormont again and reemphasizing that he is prepared to sacrifice everything for the only thing he has left — reverence for Daenerys.
5. Beyond Arya accepting the weapon Gendry makes for her, I am unsure of the role she will play. Perhaps recommitting to going to KL to finish her list? Set up with the Hound for them to leave after the battle?
6. Tormund barely makes it to Winterfell; I think they will have to show some sort of ambush on the way. Perhaps Ed dies.
7. The dead arrive and the episode ends.
Throughout this episode, I also expect to continue to see small interventions from Bran. Episode 1 had Bran interrupt the frosty greeting and engineer the moment when Sam tells Jon about his heritage. I expect to see more interventions to move things in the direction that he believes will most likely lead to victory over the AotD.
Ned felt strongly that Jaime was in the wrong for killing Aerys. Moreover, Ned was far from alone in that sentiment. On the other hand, Ned held Barristan Selmy in high esteem, despite the fact that Selmy stayed loyal to Aerys.
If your conjecture were correct, then Ned would have held the opposite opinions on both men, at least in regards to this issue. Ned did not; ergo, your conjecture is incorrect! (Nothing like a little modus tollens to kick off a Sunday!)
At any rate, this seems to be (if I am following threads correctly!) a continuation of the idea some fans have held for years: Jon’s parentage as some sort of open-secret known to many people. Varys is the last duck standing on the list of people who “must have” known (with the others all have departed the story showing no evidence of knowing this). But, again: how would he have known? None of this took place anywhere that would have been a subject of Varys’ attentions. Varys is not omniscient; yes, he is much better informed than is anyone else: but if he knows a tiny fraction of what is happening, then he knows many times more than does anyone else.
Dark Sister,
Speaking of Meetings: Arya and Danny!! Go…..
That strikes me as a very reasonable conjecture. Even if the mark no longer works, it’s clear that the NK is cognizant of whatever “plane” Bran is in when he (Bran) is surfing the Wiernet.
There are other possibilities, such as the NK actually having been from Winterfell (or, more realistically, whatever habitation was there when the NK was human). So, he could be “going home.” That is sort of thing that we might learn if/when we learn the “why” of the NK. (And the related gun certainly was hung on the wall at the end of last year and multiple times in episode 1; indeed, it looks like it might be the story this year!)
Years and years ago (prior to the release of Crows), a “popular” (well, OK: I liked it!) idea was that Littlefinger was the Walker’s agent in Kings Landing. Basically, Littlefinger was the Loki figure in a Ragnarok type of tale. Something like that would have set up the possibility of the NK doing the old cartwheel maneuver to bypass one enemy stronghold to hit another. However, it now is clear that the NK does not have human agents. That makes this tactic seem implausible. (Of course, given that we do not know what the NK’s strategy is, we could be very wrong about his tactics!)
I believe the night king is after Bran and only bran. I think e2 will be a big Bran episode and a lot of crazy reveals, leading up to the e3 battle.
The NK zig zagged across north of the wall trying to get to bran. Then followed him south of the wall.
White walkers hadn’t been seen in a thousand years.
The old raven had been in the tree/cave for a thousand years… waiting for bran.
WWs starting being active again around the time Bran was born.
I think the old raven was bran. Bran went back in time to fix something, got stuck, and had to wait a thousand years to meet up with current bran.
Bran may also take the blame for the Mad King going mad. “Burn them all!”, “Hold the door!”
Can anyone please tell me if the Battle of Winterfell is going to be the only battle we get this season? Because 8.3 is directed by Sapochnik which is the Battle, but so is 8.5. And we’ve seen some indication that action will take place at King’s Landing. Have there been any reports that we’re getting two battles this season? I just don’t want Winterfell to be the only battle this season, that seems anticlimactic.
I’ve mentioned in another thread that I predict Jaime will stand trial for his crimes against house Stark / Targaryen and Jon/Dany will pardon him, not because of Tyrion and Brienne’s testimony (the latter of which will be compelling), but because of Bran.
Bran will understand, and in a strange way be grateful to Jaime, as his most despicable act in the first episode is what awoke the 3ER, an act that will be instrumental in saving mankind.
Tytos Reyne,
Remember that the NK is a greenseer like Bran.. he will know how many are at KL and WF.
tyrion81,
I love this idea.. and could explain
Not too long to wait now, I’m getting up at 2am to watch it thanks to the public holiday tomorrow with Easter.
In a way I wish they wouldn’t do these teasers for the next episode as I’d like to go in completely dark but here is my speculation in running order:
– Jamie fall out and council meeting.
– Tension between Dany and Tyrion.
– A brief check into Kings Landing, Golden Company fortifying the city, Cersei brooding. Euron upset Yara escaped (perhaps he leaves).
– Tormund arrives and warns Jon the Army of the Dead arrive by Nightfall.
– Jon decides not to tell Dany he’s the heir, but she finds him in the crypts where he tells her his mother is Lyanna Stark.
– Second war council where they prepare for the defense of Winterfell, Arya gives her speech.
– Sam tells Gilly about Jon, who tells Davos, who tells Varys/Tyrion/Jorah.
– Theon arrives at Winterfell, he will need to reconcile with Bran.
– Sam gives Jorah Heartsbane
– Melisandre turns up, icey stares with Davos.
– Dany finds out she’s not the queen not from Jon and is thrown into turmoil.
– Army of the Dead arrive (end of episode)
Oh my god, I’ve just seen on twitter that Episode 2 has leaked online earlier than it should have, same issue as last week.
Possibly nothing: they might just give us a montage of preparation activities, such as calibrating the trebuchets.
Jon Snowed,
Right, Mel needs to show up!
Ser Davos wants to go execute her, she takes off her necklace, and he’s all like, “whoa. I’m out of here”
Why is nobody (ie Tyrion) making wildfyre? Seems like it would be useful vs AotD? Hmm.
All of the political wrangling and conversations won’t mean much once Bran reveals all that he can do and has done.
Leaf: “We were being slaughtered. We needed to protect ourselves”
Bran: “From whom?”
Leaf: “From you.
From men.”
“From you?”. Hmmm.
I’ve just watched the episode, I will not post any spoilers but say I thought it was brilliant and I’m going to watch it twice. For all of you who wish to remain unsullied, I would strongly advise staying off social media and becareful of people posting predictions from this point on.
Can’t wait to talk with everyone tomorrow morning about it.
kevin1989,
That turn of phrase means they will arrive in the night at some point.
Luka Nieto,
I hope I can say this but having now seen it I liked the premiere but this episode is stronger, I really enjoyed it.
I haven’t seen ep 1 yet and won’t be able to watch it, or ep 2 until later this week, so apologies if this is obvious. The first thing that struck me about the picture is how similar Dany and Sansa’s hair looks from behind. I know a huge amount of thought goes into the costume design and characters’ overall looks so it’s probably intentional. Nothing mind blowing, just perhaps a little sign of them becoming closer, albeit possibly subconsciously?
Unless Episode 1 resolves a big cliff-hanger from the prior season – will Arthur successfully jump over the shark?!?!? – this is almost always the case. However, this is also as it should be: at this point, we are not judging it as “how good of a setup episode is it,” we are judging it as “I have nothing better to do with the next 9 hours of my life, so give me the rest of the damn season NOW!!!!!!
Yes, there is every reason to think that. Ned is a fundamentally reasonable person (and, if we’re bringing in book canon, he had interactions with Lyanna that would support that explanation). And most obviously, if presented with an alternative explanation, that would necessarily mean he’d want to speak with the people in question.
However, as I said, Robert’s Rebellion happened because the Mad King’s unjustified executions and calls for more of the same. Rhaegar abducting Lyanna was important only insofar as it incited the aforesaid. So knowing the truth wouldn’t have changed the overall dynamics of the war.
‘modus tollens’ lol. what a glib way of claiming a counter point. syllogism’s can cut both ways. I do not need such things to construct my counter point. I understand your point about ned judging jaime harshly. However, this is jaime’s point of view. jaime may have been feeling guilty for his actions, and ready to think the worst of peoples perceptions. It is possible that ned, (having just stated the obvious regarding the scene that greeted him at the red keep ‘kingslayer’), at that time was quite open to an explanation from jaime (ie; ‘he was going to burn everyone in kings landing alive, including you and the soon to be king robert, if you were inside the city walls at the time, that would have been perhaps a million people plus, i felt that i had to do something about that and stop it from happening.’ But, jaime, going into the classic adam and eve dilemma of hiding from god after tasting the apple, hid his heart from ned because he felt that it would not stand up to the blowtorch of a royal enquiry. He didn’t know that, he just felt that, and that would only be his conscience working on him.
the unburdened,
I mean, ned was a man who was prepared to give cersie (a woman that he did not particularly like or trust) an out, rather than run the risk of her children being killed by his friend, robert. he did not know at that stage that robert was going to die, and he was roberts hand, so he was going way out on the limb for those children. so he was reasonable, and not adverse to treason for the right reasons himself. So, there is no reason to believe that he would have condemned jaimes actions once jaime had been open with ned, except that he did not want to believe that ned was capable of any form of clemency.