Game of Thrones Season 6 Episode 2– Home – Recap

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Absolutely nothing of interest happened on this episode of Game of Thrones. It was a pretty average, garden-variety epis- WHO ARE WE KIDDING?! THAT WAS AMAZING! Just click the button, and get to reading!

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read the A Song of Ice and Fire series. The post and the comments section will contain spoilers from the novels! Because no, we are not all Unsullied now. If you haven’t read the books yet, please check out our non-book-reader recap. Thanks!

After that finish tonight, it’s tempting to forget anything else even happened in “Home,” or that it was a very strong episode even before the Worst-Kept Secret Ever came to a satisfying end with the resurrection of Jon Snow. So I’m going to resist the temptation to cackle with mindless glee just yet, and dive into the earlier portions of Game of Thrones’ second episode of the year to give those scenes their just due.

HodorThe beginning of the episode was almost as striking as the conclusion, kicking off with the long-awaited return of Bran Stark (Isaac Hempstead Wright), who has been studying the use of his powers under the Three-Eyed Raven during his absence from the show. They haven’t done anything to improve the makeup and prosthetic work on the Three-Eyed Raven since we last saw him in season 4, but I don’t really care when Max von Sydow is onscreen.

Through Bran’s visions, we’re treated to a flashback of happier times in Winterfell, seeing young Ned (Sebastian Croft) and little Benjen Stark (Matteo Elezi) and their tomboyish sister Lyanna (Cordelia Hill). Surprisingly, we also see a very young Hodor (Sam Coleman) – or “Wyllis,” as he was called back then when he could speak without impairment. The vision is warm and delightful, but the Three-Eyed Raven pulls Bran from it, warning him, “If you stay too long, you’ll drown.”

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There’s another new face in the cave- a new actress, Kae Alexander, has taken on the role of Leaf, the Child of the Forest. I’m happy to see Game of Thrones has improved the makeup for the Children this season.

We check in with Meera Reed outside the cave; she’s less enchanted with the scenery and watching Bran roll around the floor having visions, but Leaf reassures her that Meera is needed.

Thorne etc

Down at the Wall, the situation has grown more dire for Davos and the men trapped inside the room with Jon Snow’s corpse. Alliser Thorne is sending in his Night’s Watchmen, when finally the cavalry arrives. And by that, I mean Wun Wun busts down the gates, and smears the walls with that one guy who was dumb enough to mess with him. Edd, Tormund, and the wildlings have toppled Thorne’s regime with a minimum of fuss, and the murdering mutineers are imprisoned.

The only surprising thing is that I think everyone expected Thorne’s party to get more butchered than this. It could’ve been a loose end neatly snipped, but now that’s something the show will have to deal with at the Wall in the coming episodes.

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In King’s Landing, FrankenMountain is on the prowl for losers who besmirch Cersei’s name with raunchy stories in town. Tommen has proved to be tough at all the wrong times, and is forcing Cersei to remain inside the Red Keep, though Myrcella’s body lies in the Great Sept of Baelor. The young king is realizing how deeply he disappoints his mother, who raised him to be strong. Like his sister, he’s intrinsically good-hearted, but he lacks Myrcella’s strength of will. Tommen is a lovely young man, but a bad king.

The specter of Cersei’s Walk of Atonement hangs over the Lannisters still. Tommen didn’t try to stop it and Jaime wasn’t there at all, and the High Sparrow’s presence now in the sept is a challenge of sorts.

The High Sparrow’s arrogance is on full display when he tangles with Jaime Lannister in the sept. For a man who claims humility, there is not a trace of it when he looks the Kingslayer up and down with the smug knowledge that his Faith Militant would tear Jaime apart if he attacked the High Sparrow. He’s correct, the masses are strong together. But they’re a mob, and a mob can be manipulated easily to turn against their leader. The High Sparrow’s come-uppance will happen.

After visiting the sept, Tommen finally faces his mother and apologizes for not saving her. As always, Cersei loves and forgives her children, no matter their crimes and failings.

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You probably shouldn’t make so many no-cock jokes around an army of eunuchs trained in top-notch murdering, Tyrion. I’m just saying.

Popping over to Meereen for our weekly dose of Essosi politics that no one ever really asks for, Tyrion realizes the dragons need tending to.

Considering how starving the dragons should be, since they haven’t eaten in days, I’m shocked they don’t rip Tyrion in two when he approaches their dungeon for a visit and introduces himself as a friend of their mother’s. Perhaps there’s something to all those Tyrion-has-Targaryen-blood theories? In the show, anyway. Whole new ballgame, people.

I did love Tyrion sharing the story of how he wanted a dragon as a child, using his early fondness for the creatures as a way to get close to them- and unchain them, so they’ll thrive even without their mother.

Arya Jaqen

Arya the Blind Beggar is paid another visit from the ever-pleasant Waif but their one-sided stickfight is brief, and the Faceless (Wo)man disappears. Jaqen H’ghar (well, No One really) steps in to offer Arya a chance for this all to stop when he asks who she is, testing her identity, but she remains resolute: she is No One.

Satisfied by her response, Jaqen tells she’s done being a beggar and invites her back to continue her next phase of training. And thank God, because this Daredevil-Stick routine was wearing on me.

Ramsayy Walda

Remember last week when I wondered if it was a bad idea for Roose to threaten Ramsay with the existence of a new Bolton heir? (I think everyone thought that, to be fair.) Yeah that didn’t work out too well for Roose this week. Or that well for Walda and her newborn baby, either.

Roose, Ramsay and the new Lord Karstark (Paul Rattray) are dealing with the current Northern situation when they’re interrupted by the news of the baby’s birth. Ramsay acts quickly, killing his father and sending for Roose’s wife. Karstark is on board with the New Bolton Order as he witnesses the murder and doesn’t bat an eye.

Walda and the new baby are horrifyingly dispatched through the use of Ramsay’s favorite weapons- his dogs.

Still freezing in the Northern woods, Sansa and Brienne share news of Arya. Finally Sansa knows that her sister is alive! Not dressed like a lady, of course. The fond smile on Sansa’s face brings tears to my eyes. The sense of Stark is strong with this episode.

Sansa and Theon share a touching moment, as he plans to say goodbye. They’ll be heading north to the Wall, to Jon, and she doesn’t need him now that she has Brienne. Theon acknowledges all the terrible things he’s done, and announces that it’s time for him to go home.

The thought of these two parting is oddly bittersweet. As much as Sansa hated him, he was a familiar face when she was in the middle of hell, and they escaped it together. I wish I could see more of their scenes together, but now it’s time to part ways.

Speaking of Theon’s home- on Pyke in the Iron Islands, Yara Greyjoy and her father Balon debate their next move; the Ironborn have lost their last territory on the mainland, but Balon is stubborn. Angry with his daughter, the last of the Five Kings departs and heads for the rope bridge that strings between the towering structures of the islands. Yes, it’s time for Melisandre’s final leech to pay off.

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Through the rain, a mysterious figure approaches. At this point, I actually scoot forward on the edge of my seat. I’ve been waiting for this one, and Patrick Malahide and Pilou Asbæk knocked this scene out of the park.

Euron Greyjoy has come home to the Iron Islands.

Balon’s wayward younger brother has come for him, and Balon knows it. The king manages to cut his brother’s face before Balon is thrown from the bridge to his death.

His body is found the next day, much to Yara’s grief. His people send him to his rest at sea, in their way. Who will rule the Iron Islands now that Balon Greyjoy is dead? Aeron, the Drowned Priest (played by Michael Feast), declares only a kingsmoot can determine who rules.

At the Wall, Davos pleads for Melisandre’s help. He’s seen her incredible (and frankly, fucking terrifying) powers before, and is at his wit’s end- they need Jon Snow back. He dismisses the gods (funny enough, the ones all featured in this episode- the Seven gods, tree gods, and the Drowned god), and asks for a miracle.

These two have been fighting for years but at this point, they know each other better than anyone else. Melisandre has lost faith in herself, but seeing Davos’ faith in her is enough to energize the heartbroken and drained priestess to try one more time to make a difference.

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Melisandre prepares Jon’s body, and we see the damage is extensive. She lays hands on him, surrounded by all those who are desperate to believe in this, in her and in Jon. Davos, Edd, Tormund, Ghost.

But it fails. The moment passes, and Jon lies cold and white, dead on the table.

Davos is the last person to leave the room, gazing down at Jon- he’s the last to give up.

The stillness of Jon Snow is uncanny, and transfixing. We’re waiting for it. Is it going to happen?

Ghost, lying on the ground, stirs.

We hover over Jon, waiting. And waiting. And then it happens.

Jon Snow’s eyes fly open and he gasps with life.

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Assorted thoughts because my brain’s too melted by the episode to function very well:

The flashback: Fantastic casting all-around. I love the kids. And was that meant to be a young Ser Rodrik training them?

VIP: I’m giving Carice van Houten the acting VIP award of the night. She’s done such amazing work over the last two episodes.

Euron

Euron Greyjoy. Photo: HBO Viewer’s Guide

You can breathe now, Kit: The jig is up. Looking forward to the interviews where you tell everyone to go to hell for #HairWatch. I did screech a bit when Melisandre started snipping off Jon’s hair, actually.

Welcome Home: Fantastic to see you all again, Isaac Hempstead Wright, Ellie Kendrick, Kristian Nairn, Patrick Malahide, and Gemma Whelan! And welcome to the all new cast members! Especially…

Euron “I am the storm” Greyjoy: he is a very bad man, and I can’t wait to see what’s in store this season with Pilou Asbæk.

The deaths: I wasn’t surprised by any of them, since they were long overdue (Balon’s leech must’ve been defective) or the groundwork was laid for them effectively (Roose and Walda). But I thought the scenes were all very well done, from the dramatic confrontation in the storm, to Ramsay’s last cold moment with his father, to poor Walda and her doomed baby.

About that ending?: Yeah, we knew he was going to come back but the how and when were still question marks. I jumped like it was a horror movie, both times that I watched the episode this evening. I probably will every time, the way it’s drawn out to maximize the tension and the uncertainty. I can’t wait to see how Jon behaves after returning. There is so much going on, I can’t wait until the next episode of Game of Thrones!

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    1. johnny braavos:
      hodor!

      thank you to the GoT cast for such commitment to keep us guessing. even though it was somewhat overplayed, it made the reveal that much more worthwhile. the alternate of telling us the truth was undoubtedly much worse …

      I agree. Who would have thought Hodor’s name was Willis. 🙂

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    2. The Stark children were perfectly cast. I loved the line with the shield (that Jon also used in season 5 I think). Lyanna was lovely and lively!

      So happy my prediction came true and Jon came back this episode. I can’t wait to see all the reactions next episode. I’m guessing Sansa makes it to Castle Black in episode 3 or 4.

      Everyone in Bloodraven’s hair salon got makeovers. He’s like the Tyra Banks of Westeros.

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    3. Lost in the big moments is so many of the great quiet ones. I think my favorite was Sansa’s inability to tell Brienne about her rape at Winterfell. Sophie and Gwendoline knocked this out of the park.

      We’ll see what the rest of the season brings, but this episode could be Top 10 material.

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    4. Haha, love the open “nothing much happen….who are we kidding”. Thanks for uploading quickly, might need to do a second recap

      Still collecting my thoughts

      Clear to see a theme about Wo5K ending, Balon and Roose/Walda dying. Between Ellaria, Ramsay and now rez-Jon there is a clear sign of “Bastard power” to go with “Girl power” of last week. But in this case they are all moving out of the previous rulers shadow, eg Ellaria regarding Doran, Ramsay regarding Roose and Jon Snow regarding Robb, Euron regarding Balon

      – whom Karstark mentioned in the same scene as “there needs to be new blood in the North” where the Glovers retaking Deepwood Motte (will admit to “hooray” they will help House Forrester against House Whitehill in the future Games) was a kind of twin

      Holds true for all 3 of Jon, Ramsay, Euron

      So much to dissect

      Absolutely loved the Flashback though

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    5. Just re watched…. only thing that could have made Jon’s revival better is if it happened while Davos was still in the room. He turns around and sees him gasping.. “Wow. This bitch is no joke.”

      Mel is no fuckin joke!!

      ToJ’!!+!!!!!!!!!!

      Wun Wun!!!!!!

      Bran!!!!!!

      LYANNA!!!!!

      Benjen!!!!!!

      Rickard!!!!!!

      Ned!!!!!!!

      HODOR!!!!!!

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    6. Beyond the Wall (B+): The flashback was cute, if not overly substantial, and Meera’s depressed state was nicely conveyed (the most personality I’ve gotten from that character to date). Not earthshaking, but fine. I’m glad the Children of Forest’s look has been made more otherworldly between seasons (even if Bloodraven has conversely become even more ordinary-looking).

      The Wall (B): I liked the almost deliberately anticlimactic resolution to Thorne’s mutiny; he goes with a whimper, in the end. As I said over in the Open Chat thread, though, Davos’ role in these events just doesn’t make any sense to me based on what we’ve previously seen of this character. He’s barely interacted with Jon, doesn’t believe in Azor Ahai or anything of the sort, and has never wanted anything to do with Mel’s magic, and now he’s trying to talk Mel into bringing Jon back to life? Like, I get that Davos comprehends that they’re in a bad spot, but this just doesn’t flow from anything they’d previously set up about the character. If this is where they wanted to take things, I really think the writers made a mistake by not sending Davos to Hardhome last season. For such an absolutely crucial plot beat, this feels misplayed to me.

      The North (A-): Quiet, but very nice dialogues between Sansa/Brienne and Sansa/Theon. I wasn’t sure how plausible Theon’s heading back to the Iron Islands would be, but this made it work. Sansa struggling to verbalize what happened was also a powerful moment. Brienne talking about Arya traveling with “a man” was quite an awkward bit of contorted dialogue though (no doubt the writers needing to keep that conversation on track).

      Winterfell (A-): Walda walking around like that immediately after giving birth really took me out of her final scene, otherwise good. I’ll miss Michael McElhatton.

      Braavos (B-): Much like last week, it’s there, I guess? Arya barely spent any time blind onscreen, and while in one sense it’s good to keep the plot progressing, it doesn’t feel like much was accomplished with all this (and those Arya stans desperate for her to warg must have a painful case of blue balls by this point).

      The Iron Islands (A-): Liked Yara’s return, and Euron’s intro was pretty decent.

      King’s Landing (B-): Other than the Jaime/High Sparrow scene, which was very nice, I could have done without the rest of the KL stuff here.

      Meereen (B+): I’m really, really sick of the ‘witty’ characters like Tyrion constantly mocking the eunuchs for being castrated; it’s repetitive and not funny. On to the main event, proto-dragontaming, I’m reserving judgement on all this. The dragons have seemed weirdly controllable both here and in their last Season 5 appearance where Dany seemed to be easily able to get them to BBQ the people she wanted without risking those she didn’t, which just raises the issue of why they’re locked up in the first place.

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    7. I will be characteristically brief:

      This episode restored my faith in the TV series.

      I…I felt healed.

      That is all.

      (With shout outs to 1 – entire Iron Islands sequence, 2 – Lyanna Stark, 3 – improved Children of the Forest design)

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    8. Meh…if I had to rename this episode it would be anti-climactic. Lot of things happened that were predicted almost to a tee before the season started.

      -Did Ramen Djwadi take this episode off? A strangely silent episode.
      -Tyrion scene was good, but my goodness, stop using “punch in the face”, that’s a contemporary phrase, seems like the intern wrote that
      -Ramsey killing Roose was terrible, just totally what was expected and lame. Is Roose that much of a loser that no one was loyal to him and Ramsey can just do that to him and the army will support it? And he says to tell everyone he was poisoned, then he goes and kills baby and Walda in full view of everyone?
      -Davos motivation to ressurect Jon = ? He’s so hell bent on doing it that he doesn’t care if the Red Woman, whom he hates with a passion, uses blood magic to revive some guy he just met? After he’s suspicious that Mel either killed or got Shireen killed, and all of their history??? Seems like a pretty big about face.
      -Oh really it never occurred to Mel to try and resurrect him?

      I think the Bran flashback at Winterfell was the best thing about the episode and it was all down from there. A slow, plodding episode that felt like a middle episode of the season, with some big events that were anti-climactic.

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    9. “Wyllis” is how HBO spelled it on the email I got from them tonight with all the episode’s photos, so that is probably the correct spelling, yeah.

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    10. Can this not be a John Locke scenario where he comes back and we are all happy like in lost. But it turns out he’s the real bad guy in the end. Also. Waiting for freaking years on this makes it so sweet.

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    11. Lol, Mel desecrated Jon Snows hair – sacrilege!

      In all seriousness though she once again acted that scene brilliantly, she seemed so distraught in her eyes

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    12. This was a seriously great episode, I think it might be my new favorite; or at least pretty close to thetop. As concerned as I am about the pacing of the show (still a valid concern!), they’re really stepping up so far this season. I hope it continues with this momentum. And that gasp, it was perfect. I was waiting for it and anticipating it and it still caught me by surprise.

      Also, Lyanna was perfect. It needs to be said. The actress hit just the right beats.

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    13. Flayed Potatoes:
      The Stark children were perfectly cast. I loved the line with the shield (that Jon also used in season 5 I think). Lyanna was lovely and lively!

      So happy my prediction came true and Jon came back this episode. I can’t wait to see all the reactions next episode. I’m guessing Sansa makes it to Castle Black in episode 3 or 4.

      Everyone in Bloodraven’s hair salon got makeovers. He’s like the Tyra Banks of Westeros.

      What shield line?

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    14. I’ve now seen the episode twice. Somehow, it was even better on the second viewing. God damn, I’m shaking. I still can’t form fully coherent thoughts.

      Jon’s alive! We saw young Ned, young Benjen, young Hodor … and Lyanna! Jon’s alive! Roose, Walda, and Balon are all dead (cue up three more Curtain Calls)! Jon’s alive! The Children of the Forest have a new look, and it’s freaking awesome! Jon’s alive! Tyrion unchained the dragons! Jon’s alive! Jaime confronted the High Sparrow! Jon’s alive! Euron Greyjoy is the first storm and the last! Jon’s alive! The Mountain crushed some fool’s skull as a joke! Oh, and something else … it’s on the tip of my tongue … oh yes. JON’S ALIVE!

      This episode may be an all-time great for a show that has many, many, many such hours. And it’s Episode 2! We’ve got eight more of these! AND we’re getting the Tower of Joy next week!

      I have no idea how I’m going to sleep after watching that, but I’d better find a way, because I’ve got a long day ahead of me that will be dedicated almost solely towards appreciating this episode. I’m getting no work done tomorrow, and that’s just fine with me.

      Take a bow, Dave Hill. And David Benioff and Dan Weiss. And Bryan Cogman. And everyone else involved in creating this remarkable experience. “Home” was a triumph in every way. And if in the light of dawn I discover that I’m somehow I’m being hyperbolic, I’ll deal with that later. If listening to reason means that I have to come down from this high, then fuck it. I’ll stay up here as long as I can. What’s above Cloud Nine? Cloud Ten? Whatever it is, I’m there right now. I’m in Game of Thrones nirvana, and it’s beautiful beyond words. I never want to leave.

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    15. As much as I’ve been expecting it, Roose’s death was sad, and Waaaaaaaaaaaalda! 🙁 I’m going to miss the poor girl.

      Also did anyone else get a Jack Harness Revival Feeling from Jon’s wakeup moment?

      BARROWMAN!!

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    16. Was a great episode but the end seemed so unimpressive. I knew what was going to happen it just didn’t surprise me at all n the scene was so predictable. Finally made me realize the books will be so different that the show truly will not be a spoiler.

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    17. Jared: Take a bow, Dave Hill

      I’ve really liked both episodes he’s written. He wrote that memorable Stannis/Shireen scene last year, too.

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    18. Moreso than the big events of this episode, I loved how it set up the rest of the season.

      (1) Lyanna’s intro was great. I hope we see more of the adult version of her beyond the ToJ.

      (2) House Manderly was named. But now that Walda Frey has “died” at Winterfell, will the Freys really be with the Boltons?

      (3) We’ll explore how Wylas became Hodor.

      (4) Tyrion seems like quite the dragontamer.

      (5) We’re getting oh so close to a Stark children reunion.

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    19. Jack Bauer 24,

      “Shield up, or I’ll ring your head like a bell.”

      Ned says this to Benjen, and Jon says it to that potato Olly. Same hand gestures and everything.

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    20. Wonder how George feels about the show getting to reveal Jon’s fate first after all these years.

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    21. ALMOST a perfect episode. If Wun Wun would have just beaten Olly to death with Thorne (or vise versa, who am I to micromanage) that would have been the most perfect unit of entertainment ever made. I was worried that the episodes this season were coming short of average but holy shit…it’s like realizing it’s the best Christmas you’ve ever had and there are still 8 presents under the tree with your name on them.

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    22. I wonder what this means for a lot of theories out there. Tyrion Targ theory, for one. But Jon = AA is another affected. There was no smoke, no salt, no rising out of the flames, no bleeding star.

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    23. Jack Bauer 24:
      Can’t wait to see everyone’s reactions at CB when they see Jon!

      Me too!! I hope the first scene opens with Jon getting up like in the episode preview.

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    24. Henry Gordon,

      I think people might have been confused if they kept it as Walder.

      At the risk of sounding like a fuck boy/ dick head, I fucking knew it! On Jon’s resurrection I mean. I had a feeling that at the latest it would be the beginning of episode four that Jon would return with the ending of this episode being the earliest.

      So happy with this episode overall.

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    25. LatrineDiggerBrian:
      Meh…if I had to rename this episode it would be anti-climactic. Lot of things happened that were predicted almost to a tee before the season started.

      -Did Ramen Djwadi take this episode off? A strangely silent episode.
      -Tyrion scene was good, but my goodness, stop using “punch in the face”, that’s a contemporary phrase, seems like the intern wrote that
      -Ramsey killing Roose was terrible, just totally what was expected and lame
      -Davos motivation to ressurect Jon = ? He’s so hell bent on doing it that he doesn’t care if the Red Woman, whom he hates with a passion, uses blood magic?
      -Oh really it never occurred to Mel to try and resurrect him?

      I think the Bran flashback at Winterfell was the best thing about the episode and it was all down from there. A slow, plodding episode that felt like a middle episode of the season, with some big events that were anti-climactic.

      Yeah this is fair points, there’s no mind-screw twists, it all happened in fairly straightforward ways, whereas the outcome while predictable should have been unexpected in how it occurred

      But for mine this simply reflects how GRRM is a master level writer,

      Tbf though I expected this to start going in a “Crasters Keep” direction once they ran out of direct material

      This is where it was good that GRRM was writing some episodes, if they were going to put so many important plot points in this episode, especially the all-important one, he should have been the one to write it as he would have put a nice twist to it all. Especially if he wasn’t going to finish WoW on time

      That all said, the writing performance may have been below par by the lofty standards set, but the acting in so many scenes was fantastic, Jaimie and HS, the flashback actors, Cersei/Tommen, Melisandre once again, Balon/Euron

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    26. This episode was fantastic! (Even if Jon wasn’t resurrected).

      So much cool stuff! And before I forget to mention this, wow what a high fantasy episode! Have we ever had a Direwolf, Dragons, Giants, a Child of the Forest (Amazing looking CotF I must say) and a huge Flesh Gollum (named Robert Strong) all in the same episode?

      Also, whomever thought of having Ghost notice Jon’s spirit returning to his body right away that was a really cool little detail that I loved so much!

      Loved that the dragons are super intuitive and intelligent, sensing Tyrion was there to help, then offering its neck to be unchained. Really fucking awesome!

      We got to see Lyanna Stark!

      Jon coming to life!

      Wow, this episode kicked ass. Really liked it. Have to go watch it again.

      This is a top 5 episode IMO just for all the goosebumps at so many different scenes!

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    27. Flayed Potatoes,

      I noticed this too. My God, can’t Dave Hill think of something else? His lame scene where the Kings Landing citizen brags about flashing Cersei was like the Arya Hound scene outside of the Twins. (does Ser Gregor have Daredevil like heightened hearing?). And “punch me in the face” line was a throw back to Bryan Cogman’s lame “long sullen silences and a punch in the face, the Mormont way”.

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    28. I’ve always wondered that if his name is Wylis (Walder), what the fuck does Hodor mean? Maybe it’ll actually be really important to the over all story haha. I loved that flashback and the one next week will be even better!

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    29. I think the “gift” next week will be fake Rickon. Ramsay calls him “little man”, but isn’t Art the same height as Iwan now?

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    30. I had a couple of nit-picks, mostly with some of Tyrion’s jokes being uncharacteristically clunky and un-witty. And with a bit of Davos’ dialogue, especially when he was trying to ask Mel to give Jon’s rez a whirl, being very uncharacteristically wooden and plot instead of character driven.

      But those pale in comparison to the things that really worked in this episode. Euron, even from the brief bit we so of him was better than I ever expected. A great mixture of nutty as a fruitcake and yet incredibly scary and dangerous seeming. And the Bran/Crow visit to past Winterfell was great (though it was a bit jarring how they seemed to change how intricately the three eyed crow was attached to the tree roots). And Jon’s rez scene was done to perfection. Perfectly times, perfectly crafted and just all around well executed.

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    31. El-Bobbie:
      I wonder what this means for a lot of theories out there. Tyrion Targ theory, for one. But Jon = AA is another affected. There was no smoke, no salt, no rising out of the flames, no bleeding star.

      Yeah I have a sneaking suspicion this ties in with the “Fuck Prophecy” talk and theme between Jaimie and Cersei last week

      Of course it also ties into Mel with her faith diminished, ironically restored by Davos, but there’s being in line with Prophecy and then there’s living ones own truth

      Considered this as well, “what gown did she wear, Red or Gold”, even though Cersei said “good” when Tommen said Gold I was thinking that she wouldn’t have been happy as it was in keeping with “Gold shall be their shrouds”

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    32. Jack Bauer 24:
      Wonder how George feels about the show getting to reveal Jon’s fate first after all these years.

      It’s gotta hurt, but he really has no one to blame but himself. A big part of this whole subterfuge was to let him be the first to tell the story by releasing that book.

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    33. Ghosts Lunch,

      Ghosts Lunch,

      It’s hard to fault them I guess. They accomplish so much in a years time. But even back to the previous episode I’m starting to see more holes in the writing than we’re used to. They have spoiled us. It’s just a little disappointing.

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    34. Never thought I would say that, but I loved the iron islands. Sansa was amazing, Jaime was amazing, Tyrion was hilarious.

      The only part I didn’t like was Ramsay. Too predictable. And he could have stabbed Walda and given dear old dad to the dogs, make our day.

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    35. I loved Carice van Houten’s acting in this episode. She conveyed Melisandre’s feelings perfectly.

      I’m excited to see what Euron will bring to the table in the next episodes. I wasn’t very impressed with the actor chosen for the role since he doesn’t match the character’s physical apparance, but he’s been good so far.

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    36. I’m so happy I could jump up and down!

      Of course, we all KNEW Jon Snow would return. If he was only a “dead body” why the hell would he have been in the credits? (S’okay, Kit, you can fess up now … we still love you and forgive you for trying to convince us you were going to stay dead)

      Love the flashback to young Ned/Benjen/Lyanna/Hodor (Wylis – how it was spelled in the closed captions). A much happier time for Bran to witness, to be sure.

      Can’t wait for the next episode and I know I’ll be watching this one a couple more times before next Sunday comes around.

      BTW – a question for the ASOIAF gods … now that Jon Snow has died, doesn’t that mean he’s no longer bound to the watch?

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    37. Isnt Jon Snow’s resurrection similar to the white walker’s resurrection? Could he now have some connection with them? Maybe even an ability to lead them?

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    38. Sooo, next episode, do you think Mel will get cocky and try to bring back the guy Wun Wun killed? Now that would be some impressive Lord of Light magic.

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    39. There was so much Jesus imagery going on with Jon I won’t be shocked if next episode they say something about him being dead for three days (it doesn’t seem three days, but the Bible does say he died in a Friday and was resurrected on a Sunday… Three days later)

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    40. Davos is a representation of GoT fans on the show. His line to Mel ‘Does he have to be? ‘ sums up what everyone who watches the show has been begging of GRRM.

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    41. Well Goddamn I just finished watching and holy shit. Death, death, and more death, and a Westerosi Easter!

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    42. Redxgod:
      Davos is a representation of GoT fans on the show. His line to Mel ‘Does he have to be? ‘ sums up what everyone who watches the show has been begging of GRRM.

      Oh that’s great, now they’re representing responses to the fans whining through characters. They would’ve had to tbh, because Davos motivations make no fucking sense whatsoever.

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    43. I don’t know what people were expecting with Jon. I loved how no one was in the room when it actually happened. It should lead to a pretty interesting scene when Edd and company walk in the room and discover the body is gone.

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    44. JohnnyLaw,

      LOL no one gives a shit about that guy, the Wildlings will probably rape that guys corpse, piss on it, shit on it, and then the Thens will eat it.

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    45. Also, loved the remark about “Acorns and Rocks” from Yara

      Despite lack of Eyepatch, the actor playing Euron hit it out of the park, don’t know if he is a nut or not

      Interesting to see Jagen “resurrected” as well in this episode

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    46. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      What doesn’t make sense? In S3, he sees the warning about the WW. In S5 he sees that Jon Snow and the Wildlings can work together as an army. You’re going to need an army to fight the dead. He’s asking Mel to bring him back to help unite in the fight against the dead, because as has been firmly established, Davos is not a leader. What is missing?

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    47. Jack Bauer 24:
      Wonder how George feels about the show getting to reveal Jon’s fate first after all these years.

      Salty as fuck, I’l bet.

      I don’t get why people are upset that we’ve (the fans) guessed where a lot of these stories were headed. We’ve had 5 years to speculate since the last book and almost a year since the last season. Of course we’re going to be right about lots of things. Especially with all the filming spoilers revealed at this very internet website.

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    48. I just want to say, when they mentioned Deepwood Mott, all I could think of was “Deepwood Mott confirmed!”, and giggled like an idiot.

      I blame all of you. LOL

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    49. Stannis is lost to Davos. Stannis liked Jon and respected him as a leader. Davos is stuck at the Wall. He knows that Mel has powers. Hell, he may actually truly believe that Mel is right about the White Walkers and he, I don’t know, believes that Jon is the leader they need to fight them.

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    50. I have to say I feel happy for kit ..after reading the interview of him I get how much pressure he must have felt doing the FTW scene…if that didn’t ended up as most talked about thing last year ..it would have meant something was wrong with him and he couldn’t pull it off ..

      So iam happy kit pulled it off and can’t wait to see him delivering his best in the coming weeks ..
      Go Kit

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    51. You adequately described the state of my brain, Sue. Melted. Very much so.

      I still don’t have the words to describe it. That was terrifying and heartbreaking and absolutely amazing. Just WOW!

      And every time I watched the Jon waking up scene I jumped even though I knew it was going to happen.

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    52. Gendry,

      It was. So was Jon’s stabbing in the books. The show doesn’t care about prophecy, and the only time it was mentioned was a short throwaway line by Mel that was followed by Renly making the joke about Stannis being a ham.

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    53. DireWolfHeart:
      Anyone else think that Theon returning “home” could mean WF instead of Pyke?

      Interesting. Maybe he’s Ramsay’s gift instead of Rickon?

      I was also thinking Ramsay’s gift might be the news of Jon’s death.

      I just really don’t him to get his clutches on Rickon!

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    54. Ravyn: And wrong about a lot of other things (Stannis).

      That’s the stuff I live for – the stuff we’re all wrong about! I am so very eager for them to get beyond R+L=J so we can really dig into stuff that is beyond what most of us have considered.

      Theon’s not talking about or going to Winterfell people. He’s seen with Yara in the trailers.

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    55. LatrineDiggerBrian: He’s so hell bent on doing it that he doesn’t care if the Red Woman, whom he hates with a passion, uses blood magic to revive some guy he just met?

      But that’s just it. It wasn’t Blood Magic.

      Blood Magic is magic paid for in blood. “Only Death can pay for Life“. But this wasn’t that. No deaths; no blood.

      I am not even sure what Jon is now. Undead in some form it would appear – or else he’s going to be leaking out of his entrails and liver in a few moments.

      Whatever the case, that little bit of bother is the show’s doing. I am *quite* confident that will not be the result in the books. (He’ll be alive, for real, in Winds of Winter).

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    56. Anyone else get the feeling Sir Davos was praying before he left?
      Was it him who brought Jon back not the Red Woman??

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    57. HE’S ALIVE!!!

      A shout out to Carice van Houten!! She has been amazing these last two epidodes… Sophie and Gwendolin have been very good as well… and after Alfie’s performance today, I almost want to forgive Theon.

      All in all, a great episode with amazin performances!!

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    58. Ghosts Lunch,

      Tyrion Pimpslap,

      Only that one was kept in the show and other not ..

      And how convenient to say show is not mentioning or care about prophecy ..
      Because they now had two red priests talk about born amidst salt and smoke last season and episode in rregards to dany .
      And they will be going with TSWMTW with dany in the following episodes and based on filming news dany is going to be having another

      pyre moment

      And they are going to start going to the parts of dragon as three heads with common name as “the one who is promised ” kind of Putting AAr ,TPTWp and TSwMTW all as one ..

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    59. Jack Bauer 24:
      I think the “gift” next week will be fake Rickon. Ramsay calls him “little man”, but isn’t Art the same height as Iwan now?

      I am thinking that its fake Rickon too. I hope so.

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    60. Fancy word for a sellsword:
      I just want to say, when they mentioned Deepwood Mott, all I could think of was “Deepwood Mott confirmed!”, and giggled like an idiot.

      I blame all of you. LOL

      ROFL

      I thought about “hooray the Glovers can help House Forrester retake their Castle from House Whitehill” in the Telltale games

      No doubt the Forresters will fight for the Starks and the Whitehills for the Boltons at Bastard Bowl

      Why am I thinking this far ahead about the plotlines of a computer game lol

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    61. KnowsNothingJonSuby:
      Can this not be a John Locke scenario where he comes back and we are all happy like in lost. But it turns out he’s the real bad guy in the end. Also. Waiting for freaking years on this makes it so sweet.

      Well, if IMDB starts listing a GOT credit for Titus Welliver, then I think the game’s up.

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    62. Fantastic episode. Covered a lot of Areas and Topics.
      The Jon Snow resurrection was simple for a reason. He has a bigger role to play in the Story, than simply coming back. There would be no point to make that stretch out during this season. Perfect timing too.
      The main story is about the 7 Kingdoms dealing with the Whitewalkers when they eventually reach the wall. So I wouldn’t be surprised if this season moves along very quickly in terms of covering most of the content from the books, that previous seasons did not cover.
      Only surprise for me was Tyrion freeing the Dragons so easily….lol
      Which can only mean that he has Targaryen blood in him. His conception would be interesting when it is finally told.

      Overall, one of the best episodes of the series so far.

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    63. Steel_Wind,

      He was brought back the same way Beric was brought back. Wimsey was right, the idea that there would need to be a sacrifice to bring Jon back was simply not supported by the text or the show. Jon is undead, just like he will be in the books.

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    64. weirwoodtreehugger,

      I don’t want it to be Rickon either, but it probably is. I mean, what else could it be? If it were news of Jon’s death (which is unlikely because how would they know) Smalljon wouldn’t need to physically show him something and call it a gift. He would just call it news.

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    65. Ravyn,

      Sansa, Brienne, AND Theon. He actually redeemed himself, this episode. The scene between Sansa and him, with the slight camera pan of Brienne, all showed how good the actors are

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    66. Jack Bauer 24:
      I think the “gift” next week will be fake Rickon. Ramsay calls him “little man”, but isn’t Art the same height as Iwan now?

      I think so too, but mostly because I think there’s a child actor that was unaccounted for during casting (it was mentioned in another post). Also, Roose’s “mad dog” quote could foreshadow some things, like the Northern Lords messing with Ramsay.

      And I’m optimistic.

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    67. dragonbringer,

      No red priest has talked about being reborn in salt and smoke, iirc. The one in ep 3 last season and

      Kinvara next season

      both use the phrase “reborn from fire, to remake the world” that’s it, nothing about salt and smoke or bleeding star, at least so far.

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    68. yo the high sparrow is a straight asshole. Come up on Jamie at his daughter’s funeral?! with like 30 dudes?! just to talk shit to his face and let him know he aint shit? i mean damn. on top of him having a little dick.. man. owned.

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    69. Steel_Wind: LatrineDigger

      Davos refers to it as blood magic in season 2.

      Redxgod: LatrineDigger

      Really, so just from that he’s going to go out on a limb to ask a woman that he thinks is pure evil and hates so much that he wants to kill her, to bring back Jon? Because he thinks he’s an honorable guy?

      Ravyn: LatrineDigger

      He also has no idea that Mel can bring anyone back from the dead, so not sure where he got that idea? Maybe they had a water cooler chat at Dragonstone and she told him about that time Thoros of Myr brought back Beric Dondarrion? So he’s going go out on a whim to ask the person he fucking hates with a fucking passion, like he wants to kill her, so she can bring back some guy because he may be able to be a leader? It’s loose reasoning at best.

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    70. Sean C.: The dragons have seemed weirdly controllable both here and in their last Season 5 appearance where Dany seemed to be easily able to get them to BBQ the people she wanted without risking those she didn’t, which just raises the issue of why they’re locked up in the first place.

      They were locked up because of what Drogon did. Not for anything they did. They seem to be more chill than him. Dany is probably the only one that will be able to “control” Drogon.

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    71. Although Jon’s story is the least interesting one to me personally and the resurrection was the worst-kept secret ever, they did do a great job with it. The rest of the episode was outstanding. I loved all of it.

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    72. For a second I though maybe Davos was going to be the one to do it when Mel walked away. I guess we’ll see if the whole spa treatment thing is more effective than the kiss of life. Takes longer to take effect at least.

      My one complaint with the episode is that I don’t think we needed to see Walda and the baby die. They could have left it with Ramsay asking the Maester to get them and left it up to our imaginations. Oh, and apparently House Karstark also needs to get wiped off the face of the earth. We’re a long way from “The North Remembers”.

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    73. Ghosts Lunch,

      The stallion who mounts the world ..
      Its about the promised prince who will unite all the khalasars into one under his banner…dish khalleen mistook it as rhaego but it will be revealed it was dany all along .

      Tyrion Pimpslap,

      We will definetely see for sure .

      We already have foreshadowing of dany at beyond the wall

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    74. Fancy word for a sellsword:
      I just want to say, when they mentioned Deepwood Mott, all I could think of was “Deepwood Mott confirmed!”, and giggled like an idiot.

      I blame all of you. LOL

      Hahaha! 🙂

      I’ve watched the episode twice, now, and I still can’t recall all the moments I thought were fantastic. I read through the posts and think, oh, yeah, that one, too…and that one!

      Especially on the rewatch, although I loved the scene the first time, the way Sophie and Gwendoline play off each other is making for some really phenomenal scenes between them. I said this last week, and I’ll say it, again, Sophie has really grown as an actress.

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    75. I know it won’t happen but until next Sunday I can dream that Olly will be the gift to Ramsay.

      A man could nitpick that Melisandre failed and Ghost resurrected Jon Snow.

      Bran becomes Summer
      Sansa becomes (a) Lady
      Jon becomes (a) Ghost
      Arya becomes Nymeria
      Rickon becomes (a) Shaggydog (story)
      Robb became (a) Greywind

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    76. After this episode, I’m totally torn on if Sansa goes to Castle Black!!!

      On the one hand, it seems very much that they’re headed that direction, even though Ramsay clearly is currently planning an attack. Just seems like a foolishly obvious way for them to go if they’re trying to outrun and outsmart Ramsay? And yet it doesn’t look like Mel (and Jon, Davos, etc) are staying at CB long enough for a Bolton attack.

      So now after this episode I’m wondering if Sansa does go, maybe Ramsay will instead demand her return or he’ll kill Rickon? And while Jon himself would think it’s an empty threat, he’d need Sansa to actually tell him it was real – because Jon thinks Rickon is dead. The only people who could tell him it’s a real threat are Theon and Sansa, right?

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    77. ghost of winterfell,

      It could have been another actor. The guy didn’t specifically mention Art. He might have thought it was a recast.

      Let me dream!!! lol

      I guess we’ll see next episode. 😛

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    78. Btw did anyone think it was mind boggling that Tormund was there witnessing Mel try to resurrect Jon with the Lord of Light?

      As in, Mel, the woman whose champion Stannis Baratheon tried to BURN MANCE ALIVE as part of their zealous belief in what the Lord of Light is telling them?

      Tormund, Wildling of the North Tormud, just hanging out while a Red Priestess tries to resurrect Jon?

      K. Honestly that alone – how solidly pro-Jon and unfazed he seems to be makes me think he’s going to die WAHHHH. I don’t think Jon’s closest allies all make it out alive. I think maybe Davos survives, but not Edd or Tormund KILL ME NOW.

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    79. As someone who has long doubted D&D’s ability to tell a good story now that we are beyond the books, and as someone who loathed Dorne last week, I was overjoyed to find myself loving every second of this episode to death. “Home” will definitely have a place on my top 10 GoT episodes list. It was very strong from start to finish, everything made sense, great writing, acting and directing, terrific pacing, and a few long overdue loose ends getting tied up (I’m looking at you Balon’s leech). Very stellar episode that felt tonally in line with the spirit of the novels, unlike much of what we saw last year and last week (yes, I’m a Dorne hater, I confess). Ultimately this episode has restored my confidence in D&D, and makes me believe this may well end up being the strongest season yet. So strong in fact, that “Home” may not hold a place on my top 10 list for long, if things continue this way.
      Awesome second episode all around. 10/10.

      PS : it was also nice to see some lines taken directly from the books, which we haven’t really had much since season 4 (Tyrion talking about his wish to have a dragon, and Euron’s dialogue).

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    80. ghost of winterfell,

      That what iam also saying they have used the reborn from fire and used all the elements from book in regards to dany..and salt and smoke line from Mel in season 2

      What you guys expect them not to say anything about salt and smoke and or bleeding stars or any lightbringer pulled from fire but have Jon called AAR .

      Why not have them all included if they are making jon the one or if he is the one .

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    81. Thomas Sandstone:
      weirwoodtreehugger,

      I don’t want it to be Rickon either, but it probably is. I mean, what else could it be? If it were news of Jon’s death (which is unlikely because how would they know) Smalljon wouldn’t need to physically show him something and call it a gift. He would just call it news.

      Hey, can’t I indulge in some denial for awhile?

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    82. The resurrection scene was great. I really thought they were going to leave the episode with him still dead and resurrect him on his funeral pyre next week. I thought that was where the whole thing about him being Targaryen comes in. So, I really was shocked when he came back to life at the end of the episode. I still think there is a chance it will play out differently in the books though.

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    83. So you kill the man who masterminded the Red Wedding like that?? Like a little b____?? and you bring Jon back like that?? So simple? some secret words and some hair?? WTF?? Why not do that ritual that Thoros was doing?? I don’t know, I need to process the episode… I feel really underwhelmed now.

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    84. Sort of a small subtle thing, but did anyone else have a problem with Brienne’s lie to Sansa? Not only was it completely out of character for her, but it was completely pointless. It seems more like her character would just tell the truth in that situation and why would Sansa have any reason to be mad at her?

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    85. Vlad:
      So you kill the man who masterminded the Red Wedding like that?? Like a little b____?? and you bring Jon back like that?? So simple? some secret words and some hair?? WTF?? Why not do that ritual that Thoros was doing?? I don’t know, I need to process the episode… I feel really underwhelmed now.

      THANK YOU. This is the day and age we’re in where everyone likes everything. With millennials, all you have to do is just give them what they want in the story and not offend them and everything is hunky dory. There were millenials that were practically going to kill themselves when Jon died last season, and many threatened to stop watching the show. Hot Pie could’ve appeared out of no where and crapped Jon out of his ass and as long as he came back from the dead, all good!

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    86. Pilou was amazing. We needed him, I really hope he gets some decent time in this season! 🙂

      Loved the lower key, non-flashy Jon rez. A boy and his wolf.

      Will miss ol Roose.

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    87. Vlad: Why not do that ritual that Thoros was doing??

      He was pretty much just praying over Beric’s body wasn’t he? It doesn’t seem too much different.

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    88. Also Sansa realizing Theon wasn’t coming with her and hugging him… OOF that got me. I wonder if those two will ever see each other again and in what context

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    89. Funny thing – knowing the plot last week left me disheartened, as did the episode. Knowing it beforehand this week only added to my excitement. And so happy to see Bran again!

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    90. Vlad:
      So you kill the man who masterminded the Red Wedding like that?? Like a little b____?? and you bring Jon back like that?? So simple? some secret words and some hair?? WTF?? Why not do that ritual that Thoros was doing?? I don’t know, I need to process the episode… I feel really underwhelmed now.

      It’s kind of poetic that Roose gets killed the same exact way Roose killed Rob. And unceremonious deaths are the staple of this series. Very few characters have clean deaths.

      Why would Mel do the exact same ritual Thoros did? She never saw him actually raise anyone. And they are from two completely different places. Thoros is from Myr and Melisandre is from Ashai. It fits that they would have differing methods or techniques. The way my aunt worships is completely different than how my mom does, and they profess to believe and pray to the same God. And if anything it goes to show that the actual ritual or prayer is irrelevant to the act of resurrection.

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    91. hexonx,

      I don’t think it’ll play out that differently in the books. Especially not a pyre or anything grandiose like that. The show would not have omitted something that important.

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    92. I just rewatched and still–YAY!! on so many levels.
      I don’t think I can remember the last time I was so happy after an episode.
      My thoughts-jumble that they are:
      YES flashback Bran and yes Winterfell of the past with not-so-old Nan and Hodor and Ned saying exactly what Jon said while sparring. and Lyanna f-ing Stark on a horse in pants and befriending the stable boy. Perfection.
      Also you can tell Bran’s been doing this a little while, it looked like Bloodraven was moderately startled when he was able to move through a scene without him.
      I feel like Hodor’s story might be connected with Lyanna’s now. I can’t wait to find out how.
      CotF makeup for the win. I am so happy they did a mulligan on that. She looked fantastic.

      At the Wall-loved Davos, loved Wun Wun, am sorry we will still have moments when the camera turns to Olly as if his reaction is super important because he’s still alive but…you can’t have everything. Tormund and Edd are rock stars.

      I feel like flasher guy deserved a head butt, though I’m not sure how FrankenMountain found him to deliver it.
      Jaime and Tommen and Jaime and High Sparrow–fantastic. HS is so darn smug now I want him to suffer a little.
      Cersei…there were some fantastic little things there. Pulling the thread off her dress, not reacting the way she normally does, trying to resist looking at Tommen-or distancing herself until he asks her for help. It felt to me as if she was already seeing him dead, if that makes sense, which went with last episode’s conversation about the prophecy.
      Ramsay…I knew he was going to kill them this season, but Iwan startled me. He couldn’t look at his father when he did it, his hand was trembling–was Roose his hardest kill? He seemed pretty rattled by it, and he didn’t smile once, which is weird for him. Really well done.
      And then dogs ate the baby and I don’t care how good his acting is, his character needs killing.
      PS Karstark didn’t even flinch. I officially don’t like the Karstarks again.

      I loved Sansa with Brienne and Theon, Theon was fantastic. Pod still can’t light a fire. I am wondering why she didn’t tell Sansa the Hound was with Arya, but I imagine she’s trying not to panic her already tormented charge?

      Tyrion’s conversation with the dragons–one in particular if anyone was paying attention–was epic. He’s the dragon whisperer. I love it and I hope he rides that dragon. I will say they need to go back to the Tyrion joke book, because 2 episodes in a row he’s joking about his closest friend’s lack of junk.
      Feed it to the goats already, we KNOW. We have tons of eunuchs on the show now, hot ones too, but Varys was our first. We haven’t forgotten.
      PS-I forgive him completely because he bowed to a dragon like he was a hippogriff and won a million points for his house.

      Euron is crazy. He didn’t feed his brother to the dogs, but he did give him to the Drowned God. Lots of kinslaying this episode. But long overdue all around.

      Arya’s scene was also perfection. Give her some food and stop hitting her already, she passed the test!

      I feel like if Edd or Tormund said “We’re doomed” or “What do we do without him to lead us?” or something, it would have saved a lot of people wondering why Davos asked for magic he’s loathed from the beginning from the woman basically responsible for the death of his king. But Davos saw Jon’s potential and he’s smart. He knows the stakes. He knows about the white walkers and Boltons and he knows the way we do that the only man who could have brought the rest of the north and the wildlings together is on a slab without a pulse. He also knows that there’s someone in the other room who birthed a shadow assassin right in front of him so he decides to give it a shot. He has nothing to lose.
      And Carice was great in this.

      Jon’s cleansing and anointing was so Game of Thrones Jesus it couldn’t be avoided lol-but it was a powerful scene. Yes, the fact that Mel killed Mance and Tormund is there, and Mel killed Stannis (through her actions and his confidence in her visions) and multiple other people he knows and doesn’t know about and Davos is still there is odd–but it gives silent testimony to how desperate everyone is to get Jon back. About as desperate as we were.
      And here is where I have, on second viewing, a sliver of doubt. Mel’s necklace didn’t light up at all. From the look on her face, she wasn’t feeling anything. She begged, but still nothing.
      Sure it could be a delayed reaction, but…what if it wasn’t anything she did?
      I don’t care atm because I’m just so happy he opened his eyes, but it did make me wonder.

      Previews Tower of Joy and my GoT happiness is complete. I’ve been waiting for that forEVER.
      Elsewhere on previews, Ramsay’s smile is back and I’m terrified because it’s probably Rickon due to the Umber shout out.

      And I’m still so happy Jon is alive!!

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    93. dragonbringer,

      Relax, I am not saying Jon is AA or that Dany is not. Let’s just wait and see how things play out. 🙂 What’s interesting is even Mel does not seem to think that Jon is AA, she only got him back because of Davos pleading with her. I wonder what will be her reaction towards Jon going ahead. What I am most interested now is how UnJon will be as a person, now that the resurrection is done with.

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    94. Lol if they later scheduled the season so that May 1st was resurrection day – Orthodox/early Easter day – with all the HEAVY Jesus imagery and parallels…..woah

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    95. The North Remembers indeed!!!!! We are finally getting all our Targaryens!!!!!!!

      As he said…”It’s just beginning…” Aegon is coming!!!!!

      And Jon finally listened to what Maester Aemon told him…”kill the boy Jon Snow and let the man be born”. And he has!!!!

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    96. weirwoodtreehugger,

      Sure but we only have another week to do so. (Not trying to be mean so please don’t take it as such)

      Vlad,

      Well, all Thoros did was pray to his god over his friends dead body. I don’t see it being that much different here except Mel did more shit and she isn’t friends with Jon.

      And was Roose supposed to die in an epic fashion? Just because he helped overthrow a Northern king doesn’t mean he needed to die as such. Tywin Lannister was one of the most feared men in all the Seven Kingdoms yet he dies on the toilet. Khal Drogo was considered one of the best but he didn’t die in battle. This series loves to fuck with perceptions of people by doing things like this.

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    97. Nadia:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Was it a lie? She had no idea who the Hound was or that Sansa would know him at all??

      Well she skips over the part about her beating the crap out of said guy, and then Arya being stranded in the middle of nowhere by herself.

      Pad would’ve known that Sansa knew the Hound.

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    98. ghost of winterfell,

      Iam not saying you did but I can’t understand the comments they don’t care about prophecy .
      Only last week people were shouting Mel is baring her chest for nissa nissa now they don’t care ..come on.

      Everything I said last year comes true it seems…it would be terrible Mel start shouting Jon as AAR after what happened with stannis and shireen and people like davos and Jon will find it hard to accept ..

      And I like they are making Jon breaking out of his vows and NW on his own and leaving it to for making bigger plans for the good of the realm by retaking winterfell and becoming a stark

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    99. Melisandre didn’t bring Jon back.
      Davos didn’t bring Jon back.

      JON brought Jon back. He was warged into Ghost.

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    100. Another nit pick, I generally liked the Iron Islands scenes, but why did they have to cut to a shot of a frazzled Euron after Balon Greyjoy falls over the bridge? He is kind of breathing heavy and looking at his wound. From what I’m hearing how Euron is described in the books, he comes across as unflappable.

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    101. El-Bobbie,

      Exactly if Mel starts calling jon as AAr then that would mean she never learnt from her mistake and again pretending or framing another one as chosen one when she already knows that there are others who have been come back in the same way .

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    102. Sean C.,

      Sean C.:
      Beyond the Wall (B+):The flashback was cute, if not overly substantial, and Meera’s depressed state was nicely conveyed (the most personality I’ve gotten from that character to date).Not earthshaking, but fine.I’m glad the Children of Forest’s look has been made more otherworldly between seasons (even if Bloodraven has conversely become even more ordinary-looking).

      The Wall (B):I liked the almost deliberately anticlimactic resolution to Thorne’s mutiny; he goes with a whimper, in the end.As I said over in the Open Chat thread, though, Davos’ role in these events just doesn’t make any sense to me based on what we’ve previously seen of this character.He’s barely interacted with Jon, doesn’t believe in Azor Ahai or anything of the sort, and has never wanted anything to do with Mel’s magic, and now he’s trying to talk Mel into bringing Jon back to life?Like, I get that Davos comprehends that they’re in a bad spot, but this just doesn’t flow from anything they’d previously set up about the character.If this is where they wanted to take things, I really think the writers made a mistake by not sending Davos to Hardhome last season.For such an absolutely crucial plot beat, this feels misplayed to me.

      The North (A-):Quiet, but very nice dialogues between Sansa/Brienne and Sansa/Theon.I wasn’t sure how plausible Theon’s heading back to the Iron Islands would be, but this made it work.Sansa struggling to verbalize what happened was also a powerful moment.Brienne talking about Arya traveling with “a man” was quite an awkward bit of contorted dialogue though (no doubt the writers needing to keep that conversation on track).

      Winterfell (A-):Walda walking around like that immediately after giving birth really took me out of her final scene, otherwise good.I’ll miss Michael McElhatton.

      Braavos (B-):Much like last week, it’s there, I guess?Arya barely spent any time blind onscreen, and while in one sense it’s good to keep the plot progressing, it doesn’t feel like much was accomplished with all this (and those Arya stans desperate for her to warg must have a painful case of blue balls by this point).

      The Iron Islands (A-):Liked Yara’s return, and Euron’s intro was pretty decent.

      King’s Landing (B-):Other than the Jaime/High Sparrow scene, which was very nice, I could have done without the rest of the KL stuff here.

      Meereen (B+):I’m really, really sick of the ‘witty’ characters like Tyrion constantly mocking the eunuchs for being castrated; it’s repetitive and not funny.On to the main event, proto-dragontaming, I’m reserving judgement on all this.The dragons have seemed weirdly controllable both here and in their last Season 5 appearance where Dany seemed to be easily able to get them to BBQ the people she wanted without risking those she didn’t, which just raises the issue of why they’re locked up in the first place.

      Sean C.:
      Beyond the Wall (B+):The flashback was cute, if not overly substantial, and Meera’s depressed state was nicely conveyed (the most personality I’ve gotten from that character to date).Not earthshaking, but fine.I’m glad the Children of Forest’s look has been made more otherworldly between seasons (even if Bloodraven has conversely become even more ordinary-looking).

      The Wall (B):I liked the almost deliberately anticlimactic resolution to Thorne’s mutiny; he goes with a whimper, in the end.As I said over in the Open Chat thread, though, Davos’ role in these events just doesn’t make any sense to me based on what we’ve previously seen of this character.He’s barely interacted with Jon, doesn’t believe in Azor Ahai or anything of the sort, and has never wanted anything to do with Mel’s magic, and now he’s trying to talk Mel into bringing Jon back to life?Like, I get that Davos comprehends that they’re in a bad spot, but this just doesn’t flow from anything they’d previously set up about the character.If this is where they wanted to take things, I really think the writers made a mistake by not sending Davos to Hardhome last season.For such an absolutely crucial plot beat, this feels misplayed to me.

      The North (A-):Quiet, but very nice dialogues between Sansa/Brienne and Sansa/Theon.I wasn’t sure how plausible Theon’s heading back to the Iron Islands would be, but this made it work.Sansa struggling to verbalize what happened was also a powerful moment.Brienne talking about Arya traveling with “a man” was quite an awkward bit of contorted dialogue though (no doubt the writers needing to keep that conversation on track).

      Winterfell (A-):Walda walking around like that immediately after giving birth really took me out of her final scene, otherwise good.I’ll miss Michael McElhatton.

      Braavos (B-):Much like last week, it’s there, I guess?Arya barely spent any time blind onscreen, and while in one sense it’s good to keep the plot progressing, it doesn’t feel like much was accomplished with all this (and those Arya stans desperate for her to warg must have a painful case of blue balls by this point).

      The Iron Islands (A-):Liked Yara’s return, and Euron’s intro was pretty decent.

      King’s Landing (B-):Other than the Jaime/High Sparrow scene, which was very nice, I could have done without the rest of the KL stuff here.

      Meereen (B+):I’m really, really sick of the ‘witty’ characters like Tyrion constantly mocking the eunuchs for being castrated; it’s repetitive and not funny.On to the main event, proto-dragontaming, I’m reserving judgement on all this.The dragons have seemed weirdly controllable both here and in their last Season 5 appearance where Dany seemed to be easily able to get them to BBQ the people she wanted without risking those she didn’t, which just raises the issue of why they’re locked up in the first place.

      I agree with you on most of these points — especially Davos’ odd insistence that Mel try to resurrect Jon. It just didn’t fit with what we have seen so far.

      I didn’t have an issue with Walda walking around after giving birth, though. It’s really not that difficult to do so. I was up walking around within 10 minutes of having my daughter. In actually it’s the sitting part that’s painful (especially on a wooden chair – ha!), not the walking part.

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    103. El-Bobbie,

      What I meant was there was no belief on Mel’s part, prior to resurrection, that it was Jon instead of Stannis who was AA. The common guess was that it was this belief,whether right or wrong, that would lead to Mel resurrecting Jon. She never saw “only Snow” in her flames, like in the books. Going ahead, yes, she has already seen Beric come back, so Jon coming back should not automatically have her thinking that he is AA. That’s why I am interested in what she thinks of Jon in the coming episodes.

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    104. Poor Rickon. Also I think Davos will be burning at the battle. I think he is going to the Umbers and asking them to join there army. But suddenly they arrest Davos and hand him over to the Boltons.

      Just guessing.

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    105. dragonbringer:
      ghost of winterfell,

      And I like they are making Jon breaking out of his vows and NW on his own and leaving it to for making bigger plans for the good of the realm by retaking winterfell and becoming a stark

      Yeah ,i would prefer it if Jon actively chose to become an “oathbreaker” by leaving the NW, than everybody just agreeing that his temporary death gives him an easy “out” from his vows.

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    106. Kamali,

      Well, because while religious ceremonies might differ from country to country, The Lord’s Prayer is the same everywhere :). Even more so, the religion of Rhllor is not something regional, they’re connected to each other, they try to expand… Thoros the Last Kiss to bring back Beric, by accident, it was simply the ritual used for all dead people by Red priests. Can you imagine what discussions we would get if Mel did that? breath fire into Jon and him combing back to life?? :)) …. all the “Targaryen confirmed” stuff? :))) Hell, maybe they even wanted to avoid this, who knows. But I have a huge problem it was simply done by saying a spell and burning some hair…. hair??? what is that?? Any strong magic should require a big payback …

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    107. So glad I live on the West Coast — I have had time to watch the episode twice AND read most of the post-show comments AND can still get enough sleep to function at work tomorrow!

      As usual, I watched the first time with my sullied daughter and the second time with my sullied-but-very-perceptive husband. It’s fun to see how the show works differently for the three of us.

      My daughter and I were quite happy and appreciated this episode’s many references to book stuff. Random thoughts: Young Lyanna on her horse and Wyllis the stable-boy! My first thought was that Lyanna’s horse would cause a brain injury for Wyllis that will involve a door; I’m sure the real story will be more interesting than that! I just re-read the kingsmoot chapter and recognized Asha-Yara’s line about the pinecones. I had many doubts about the Sansa-Theon storyline during season 5, but Sophie and Alfie just nailed their scene here — it’s the only time I cried this episode. It was a great choice to delay Balon’s death until now to remind us of Mel’s leeches and to show Mel cleaning the body to remind us of the power of king’s blood. Although the show has not emphasized the eerie connection between Ghost and Mel as the books have, I think that it was important that both Mel and Ghost had given up before Jon woke.

      My husband can usually predict the major events. He was yelling at Roose to kill Ramsay while he had a chance! When Ramsay asked to see Walda and the baby, my husband asked if he was going to kill them. I told him he could fast-forward through the scene if he guessed how it would happen — and he guessed correctly on the first try (come to think of it, he had also guessed last week that Ramsay would feed Myranda to the dogs). My husband did not, however, figure out the very-much-anticipated scene in the episode 3 preview — he asked me if it was a new character and thought he was either a Lannister or a “stormborn”! I’m glad there will be some surprises for him next week.

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    108. anyone else think that Ghost did it? I mean ghost lies still, waits for them all to leave the room and then BOOM!!!!

      Maybe the Jon Snow warging into Ghost thing was legit after all?

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    109. juxtaposition blood raven grabbing brans arm vs trailer showing nights king grabbing brans arm…..??

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    110. Pigeon:
      Pilou was amazing. We needed him, I really hope he gets some decent time in this season!

      Loved the lower key, non-flashy Jon rez. A boy and his wolf.

      Will miss ol Roose.

      Yeah he doesen’t look how I imagine Euron (more James Purefoy from Rome) but he certainly acted the scene really well, started carrying on about needing silence and being the storm etc like it was perfectly natural. Looking forward to seeing how things go in the next few episodes

      Yeah the resurrection was nice in a way, a nice homage to bran in S1 E2. Of course Bran came back completely different, no longer the climbing boy but the lad with 3-eyed Crow dreams

      McElhatton has done a fantastic job as Roose. Looking forward to the Curtain Call. There’s going to be a few this week lol

      That all said there was a clear theme that Wo5K era is over, we are entering the end-game now so Jon is going into it differently and of course Euron entering the stage is big in this respect too IMO and of course Tyrion releasing the Dragons. I have a suspicion in the books at least that Euron is the main antagonist to Dany so it will be interesting to see if this ends up being the case with the show. Hardhome seemed to suggest the Night’s King is the main antagonist to Jon Snow

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    111. The man with the whiskers in the Winterfell flashback scene is a young ser Rodrik Cassel, right? For a moment I thought it was Daniel Portman (Podrick) in different makeup / hairstyle, which would make sense since they’re father and son in real life. (Ron Dochrie is the stage name of older ser Rodrick) Great casting then, if it’s a different actor. Also, the mystery around Hodor intensifies. There is more to his story. Do we get more flashbacks to that time? There was mention of a scene with young Robert Baratheon as well, but isn’t that a misreading of the casting announcement of “a boy, tall for his age”? That actually this was meant to be Hodor?

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    112. ploppster:
      anyone else think that Ghost did it?I mean ghost lies still, waits for them all to leave the room and then BOOM!!!!

      Maybe the Jon Snow warging into Ghost thing was legit after all?

      Lol, interesting idea

      He certainly seemed quite relaxed while the whole ritual thing was going on

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    113. Vlad:
      Kamali,

      Well, because while religious ceremonies might differ from country to country, The Lord’s Prayer is the same everywhere :). Even more so, the religion of Rhllor is not something regional, they’re connected to each other, they try to expand… Thoros the Last Kiss to bring back Beric, by accident, it was simply the ritual used for all dead people by Red priests. Can you imagine what discussions we would get if Mel did that? breath fire into Jon and him combing back to life?? :)) …. all the “Targaryen confirmed” stuff? :))) Hell, maybe they even wanted to avoid this, who knows. But I have a huge problem it was simply done by saying a spell and burning some hair…. hair??? what is that?? Any strong magic should require a big payback …

      The red priests aren’t really that connected to each other. They have different agendas just like other religions leaders. Some Red Priests in Essos think Dany is Azor Ahai and obviously Mel thought it was someone completely different. It makes more sense for rituals to be personalized than for them to be exactly the same. I also think it makes a point that the rituals themselves are irrelevant, what was the same is both Thoros and Mel had lost their faith when they attempted to do their resurrections.

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    114. LatrineDiggerBrian:
      Another nit pick, I generally liked the Iron Islands scenes, but why did they have to cut to a shot of a frazzled Euron after Balon Greyjoy falls over the bridge? He is kind of breathing heavy and looking at his wound. From what I’m hearing how Euron is described in the books, he comes across as unflappable.

      Maybe thats significant? As in, Euron will need to wear an eye-patch? People were complaining that he didnt have one but that would be like the cheesiest thing ever.

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    115. Even before last scene (which I must admi I did not expect in this episode at all), I was sure that I was watching one of the best episodes (if not the best) of first part of season.

      I was literally blown away…everything worked for me perfectly. The theme Home was very clearly explored and used.

      From Bran s vision to Euron vs. Balon showdown on the bridge. I LIKE Euron if we did not see him yet properly.
      What the difference with all of Ironborn scenes so far versus Dornish … (won t going to use any rude words, despite the urge I would).

      What to say about the last scene: well as most of us I expected it. But it has last like for centuries to the point I was started to doubt…

      I am curious about one thing: yes, it was Melisandre s magic that resurrected Jon, no doubt on “technical” level of things, but an idea crossed my mind (heavily based on Thoros words in S3): Was it the faith of Davos, Tormund and Edd that actually did it?

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    116. I wonder why people forgetting when Tyrion asks missandei dragons ever hurt her ..if she went to free them they would have given the same reactions as well .

      I mean in the books they are constantly feeded and handmaidens of dany are with them and there is jorah barrisatn and BBP all are not harmed by the dragons because they are with dany

      Is it any different from what we see with Sam and ghost and I consider it same ..

      Anyways I will wait till this season to be certain that no one will be riding dragons other than dany.

      And after what tyrion said at the end to varys I doubt we will ever see him doing anything like this again .

      Ok now that euron is in …I can’t wait the one who is claiming first and last storm to be slayed by the real storm born as one of her slayer of lies.

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    117. April May:
      One of the best episodes of the series, hands down.

      Agreed! Still running high on waves of euphoria and other stuff! As if I ever need a reminder of why I love this show!!!! Hard to believe that it is on it’s sixth season!!!!

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    118. Ayman: Maybe thats significant? As in, Euron will need to wear an eye-patch? People were complaining that he didnt have one but that would be like the cheesiest thing ever.

      I think you’re right. It was dark and hard to see, but it appears like he does grab his eye.

      If that’s the case, I don’t understand why old ass Balon is the one who has to cut his eye. He should’ve just showed up with an eye patch. A bad ass character already gets tarnished within 2 minutes of meeting him.

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    119. ok …alrite …i was wrong about almost everything i predicted about this episode ( on the preview post)….but i got more than what i thought i will get ….and it played better than how i thought it would…..
      so im extremely happy…..and completely enjoyed this episode…

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    120. “Considering how starving the dragons should be, since they haven’t eaten in days, I’m shocked they don’t rip Tyrion in two when he approaches their dungeon for a visit and introduces himself as a friend of their mother’s. Perhaps there’s something to all those Tyrion-has-Targaryen-blood theories? In the show, anyway. Whole new ballgame, people.“

      He’s a dragon-rider…most likely. And his horse harness-making for Bran is a clue. And the dragons have an affinity for the dragon-riders — who are always born smaller in stature to ride the dragon more easily. If any other person other than a dragon-rider (or their ‘mother’) had tried to free them from their chains, it would likely have ended much differently. And after seeing Tyrion free the first from his chains, the 2nd dragon lowered his own neck and positioned it near to Tyrion to make it easy for him to remove it. These dragons are not at all stupid.

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    121. Am I the only one that thinks this episode was average?!?
      Jon Snow’s resurrection was pretty predictable, especially when Ghost looked up towards the table, Roose’s death, pretty lame, The Imp and the dragons, ok, Euron, OK, Sansa, meh, the flashback, ok,I was expecting a fight between the wildlings and the Night’s Watch,KL the only good scene was Jaime vs HS…..
      I don’t know, but I’m not that much hyped about season 6

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    122. Euron touches his cheek, not his eye (The picture up top even shows the cut to his cheek). Mad or not, someone cuts your eye out you will be screaming bloody murder. As for him not wearing a patch…idk seems cliche if you ask me. Now if he was already missing an eye or if it was a different color than the other one, that might of been a good compromise.

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    123. The body count is frighteningly growing. If I were Mace Tyrell I would change the ship’s direction and flee to the Summer Isles forever.

      Wasn’t a scene with Tommen and Pycelle supposed to be in the episode (promo stills) ? I hoped we would see the Small Council even though Kevan appears in the next promo.

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    124. Ghosts Lunch:
      That all said there was a clear theme that Wo5K era is over, we are entering the end-game now so Jon is going into it differently and of course Euron entering the stage is big in this respect too IMO and of course Tyrion releasing the Dragons. I have a suspicion in the books at least that Euron is the main antagonist to Dany so it will be interesting to see if this ends up being the case with the show. Hardhome seemed to suggest the Night’s King is the main antagonist to Jon Snow

      I think that’s very likely to be true. And in the end, a move from politics to actual basic survival.

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    125. DireWolfHeart,

      I’m really wondering it. After all, before saying that he is going Home Theon is talking about his link (and his shame/desire for redemption) with the Starks he doesn’t mention the Iron Islands once.
      He could be planning a suicide mission against Ramsay.

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    126. Brugalex,

      Jon did not warg. The show had so many chances to make it obvious or clear to the audience, and they didn’t.

      Even the inside the episode thing says that Ghost sensed Jon coming back. It wasn’t warging.

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    127. Let’s be done with TOJ and RLJ now Jon is back ..

      I think the next big most intriguing subject should be what happened to HODOR .

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    128. Zamolxys Deus: I’m expecting Season 6 to be at the level of Season’s 1-3, I don’t know, maybe I’m expecting too much

      I think its better than Season 1 and 2 so far.

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    129. Was Kit Harrington in the titles for Episode 1? As soon as I noticed it in this episode I knew he would be back. It would have been nice to have left his name out to keep the pretense up a tiny bit longer.

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    130. Ovenproofwill,

      He was in the titles. They have always kept the main character who played corpse in the titles. I remember Rose Leslie was in the S4 finale titles, even though she died in ep9.

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    131. After I was sort of disappointed with the Season start, Episode 2 really knocked it out of the park for me. The flashback showing young Hodor/Wyllis and – most of all – Lyanna was amazing, well preparing the unsullied audience for the Tower of Joy flashback. Finally Euron is here, and he’s great! Since HBO had released the first trailers I was very much looking forward to the Tyrion meets dragons scene, because I was expecting it to give us a strong hint as to whether he will be one of the dragon riders or not. And it fact it did. Tyron is a Targaryan – I was expecting it all along, but after seeing how this scene was set up I’m sure.
      Also, the resurrection of Jon was very telling. No fire, no smoke, no salt – he is alive, but not AA. This would be Dany. But with how they are setting up things, his resurrection and with the ToJ flashback being basically confirmed by the trailers, its clear that Jon is a Targaryan as well and will be a major player in the GoT until the very end – very likely, he’s going to be the third dragon rider.
      I can’t think of a single other episode that gave so much away in terms of hints and fulfilling prophecies towards the endgame than this one. Sure, the death of Lord Bolton felt kind of weak, but other than that the entire episode was amazing. Certainly one of the Top 5 Episodes for me.

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    132. What an episode!!! I loved every fucking second of it and that whilst being a big fan of Roose in the books. But everything was so amazingly done, scenes got time to breathe, there was no sense of rushing and…well this is one of the best episodes they have ever done and dispelled a lot of the worries I had about future episodes.

      Normally I would try to list my bad to good scenes, but no bad scene in this episode, will just list my three favourite and probaby most important things to happen in the light of the season:

      1) Obviously, Jon’s back, nothing more needs to be said!!!
      2) Ramsay becomes the big baddy in a very convincing way! Sometimes Rheon has given me doubts, but that scene with Walda and the doubt that flickers across his face when he killed his father…perfect. Finally after the Jof, another bad guy I love to hate (he just amused me at times, annoyed me at others before today). Whilst we all saw it coming, the fact he didn’t plan it is perfect for Ramsay, it was all in the moment, rash and short sighted, but so Ramsay. You could see he didn’t really realise what happened until after and then his cunning came into motion immediately.
      * regarding Roose, it was crucial to include that line of “you’ll always be my firstborn”…since it means Roose saw the danger, but thought he could control it (nice job by the writer there).
      3) Cersei/Jaime/High Sparrow/Tommen –> so much ground covered in a few perfect scenes and the first time the danger of the High Sparrow is not only apparent, but he even acknowledges his goals. You can see Jaime realising what the hell he is dealing with.

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    133. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      He didn’t cut his eye (check trailer), no eye patch and the better for it! A great character introduction on par with Oberyn. The madness and danger was almost radiating from him, I suppose you would prefer a parrot as well, maybe a wooden leg (yeah that eye bothered me in the books).

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    134. All around a very solid episode, better than most from season 5. Didn’t expect they’d bring Jon back so soon though! I’m anxious to see if maybe those tidbits concerning the cities of Slavers Bay are hinting at an impending Siege of Mereen, similar to that in book 5. This would greatly add to the effect of the Greyjoy fleet sailing in to save the day!Stoked for ToJ next week!

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    135. Valaquen: What hyperbole.

      I just pictured Euron as someone with supreme confidence who is completely unflappable. He’s always in a good mood and his intentions are always bad. He is a complete psychopath but at the same time is supremely charismatic. Usually when you have a character that bad ass, you don’t have someone put a mark on him right away. Nevertheless an old man, and don’t have him standing on the bridge writhing in pain as he grabs his eye.

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    136. koempel:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      He didn’t cut his eye (check trailer), no eye patch and the better for it! A great character introduction on par with Oberyn. The madness and danger was almost radiating from him, I suppose you would prefer a parrot as well, maybe a wooden leg (yeah that eye bothered me in the books).

      My point isn’t about the eye patch. I don’t care about it. It’s the fact that we get the shot of him writhing in pain after Balon cuts him. Why???? Were they trying to give Balon a bad ass death at the expense of Euron? See my post above that describes what I picture from Euron, and right off the bat an old man slices him and we see him in pain. So already we see him weak. It’d be like if Tywin got a little tongue tied in that first encounter with Jaime and started stuttering.

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    137. Much better than The Red Woman.
      – What was Thorne’s plan with the wildlings? Until this episode, I thought he was going to ask the Boltons for help or something.
      – Roose’s death. Wow, that was anticlimactic.
      – Where’s Pycelle?
      – Jaime and the High Sparrow. Even though I’m usually not interested in King’s Landing’s plot, that scene was awesome.
      – Tyrion: I think he went there because of a mix of death wish and an obsession with seeing real dragons.
      “He makes dwarf jokes, I make eunuch jokes.”
      “I don’t make dwarf jokes.”
      “You think them.”
      – Ironborn: I loved seeing Yara telling Balon he’s full of shit. And the Easter eggs.
      “The first storm, and the last” is as hammy as in the book.
      – Bran: Everything in that scene was perfect.
      They changed the Children of the Forest makeup. I KNEW IT!!!!

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    138. Tywin of the Hill,

      That’s something I noticed regarding the Children of the Forest as well. Why did they make that change? It was so fucking perfect in season 4. Was it even the same actor? What a horrible move.

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    139. As for Theon’s “Home” I’m sure he’s heading back to Pyke (as we’ve seen him with Yara in the trailers) in order to get her to help him return to Winterfell and kill the hell out of Ramsay as his swan song.

      Regarding Euron being taking down a notch as a badass character because he was cut by Balon, I don’t see how being injured diminish the character in any way. He’s sort of “shaking it off” easily enough as far as I can see.

      I was disappointed to see Roose go so quickly although it was inevitable. Terrible unfair deaths for Walda and her baby. It’ll be hugely satisfying to see Ramsay get his due sometime this season.

      I wonder if all the castration jokes are to make people remember that Theon Greyjoy is not the only one who’s been maimed that particular way in GoT or what that’s all about. On the other hand, I like how no character is truly perfect in GoT, not even precious Tyrion. Well, Sansa is pretty perfect and so is Jon Snow. But since I don’t know anyone at all in real life who is always truly good and flawless, character flaws are what make GoT worth watching in my opinion. I’m so glad that we have all these grey characters to make it more believable.

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    140. Sean C.: Braavos (B-): Much like last week, it’s there, I guess? Arya barely spent any time blind onscreen, and while in one sense it’s good to keep the plot progressing, it doesn’t feel like much was accomplished with all this (and those Arya stans desperate for her to warg must have a painful case of blue balls by this point).

      She’s still blind. She’s just no longer a beggar. Watch the next episode’s preview.

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    141. One thing I noticed with some complaints it that of presumably ‘scenes you could have done without’. Often these scenes are actually indispensable to make the eventual pay off mean anything at all. It would be strange to suddenly see Tommen halfway through the season without any interaction. It is these scenes that make me love this series and anchor the more electric moments. I am loving what that actor is doing with the young king!

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    142. Episode started a bit weak, Bran’s vision was meh, Castle Black conflict was meh. But after that it was just awesome. 9/10, soo many great scenes.

      It’s so weird having Jon officially be alive. Almost a whole year of “He’s dead, he’s dead, I’m dead, not coming back, 100% gone.”. None of us really believed it, and now the spell is suddenly just broken.

      http://www.ew.com/article/2016/05/01/game-thrones-jon-snow-harington-alive

      Gotta love Kit’s reaction. “Uh, sorry? :D”

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    143. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      I can understand your problem, but I did like it. Balon obviously knew his brother would try to kill him, for him to just be meekly thrown over without resistance would be rather odd of a presumed warrior (even if he is old). Writhing is a strong word as well and anybody would be a bit concerned with something that close to your eye, even a mad pirate. What mainly sold me in that scene was Pilou’s acting, there was something seriously off about Euron and that came across nicely.

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    144. Want to hear something funny? The day this episode aired, it was Mother’s Day in Spain.

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    145. koempel,

      He is breathing heavily and is all disoriented.

      Balon Greyjoy has had 3 scenes on the show, he didn’t need any kind of a bad ass death. Euron should’ve dominated him without a scratch, and if they were going to show another shot of him, show him laughing his ass off.

      I didn’t mind the scene either up until that last shot.

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    146. Here’s the old clip of Mel meeting Thoros of Myr. Interesting to watch again in the wake of ep. 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2MGg_8TF9g&feature=player_embedded

      As for the theories that Jon had warged into Ghost…I just didn’t see any evidence of it and wanted to. I wound and rewound that section. When Ghost lifted his head, his eyes were still red. When Jon opened his eyes, they were still dark. I thought Ghost lifted his head because he sensed the return of Jon, not that Jon was transferring himself back into his body.

      But hopefully we’ll know more later.

      Also seeing a lot of questions about timeline, given that the longer he would be dead the worse for wear he might be. I thought it was under 24 hours, but would love to hear if there’s evidence to the contrary.

      This is the timeline I had in my mind:

      Late one night, Jon called out to the courtyard and stabbed to death.
      At dawn, Ser Davos finds him, moves him into the room and huddles with allies. Edd goes off to find the Wildlings, Ghost is fetched.
      Later that morning, Alliser and friends confront the barricaded door, give a deadline of that evening to come out.
      Mel goes to take a nap.
      Evening comes, Alliser and friends try to break down the door, the Wildlings break down the gate.
      Same evening, Davos goes to Mel. Nap is over.
      Later that same evening, Mel comes back in and does her thing.

      Thoughts?

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    147. Thorne and Olly being locked up and not killed, was a bit of a surprise. Any thoughts about what’s gonna happen to them when a resurrected Jon confronts them? They can’t be send to the Wall for their treason 🙂 Executing them in the next episode(s) is a bit strange, because the loyal watchmen / wildlings could have done that right away. What’s the narrative purpose of keeping them alive longer? Do they want some measure of justice meted out?
      *tinfoil* It would be extremely ironic if their lives were spared and imprisoned in the ice cells and they’ll be turned into wights when the Others / White Walkers attack the Wall. But maybe that’s too far-fetched.

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    148. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Bad ass? He barely cut the guy and got thrown over the rope like a sack of potatoes. It would have been silly without any resistance. Anyway, seems you want something different out of Euron that I.

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    149. I loved how simple it was – we’ve all been talking ourselves circles with ifs, hows and maybes, but it was always supposed to be this way!! Although I do think there was a missed opportunity for either Davos or Mel to have a little monologue about how important he was, building up to the need to resurrect him. The plot points are being crossed off so quickly this season, I just can’t wait to see what’s coming! And I think that’s the point – the showrunners are just getting through the stuff we know to get to the really interesting part of the story.

      I particularly loved all the little touches which felt like they were just for the fans (the flashback, trolling the Hairwatch brigade, pinecones and rocks), and so many theories and speculations were answered too. Did anyone else notice the shot of Ramsay’s knife (dripping with his father’s blood) just above all those letters? That’s … interesting… I loved that Roose was killed just how he himself had killed Rob- that it was done by Ramsay made the Red Wedding vengeance bitter sweet. And I loved the way the theme of Home played out throughout the episode. All in all, I haven’t felt so cheered by this show since Lysa went through the Moon Door!! Really looking forward to whatever is coming next – although I think much of it may feel a little predictable, which will be our own fault as we’ve all been working so hard to predict everything!!!!

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    150. Been watching a lot of reaction videos and reading comments all over the net. Everyone’s freaking out about Jon, overjoyed for his comeback. He’s trending on twitter again. It’s insane.

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    151. koempel,

      If he barely cut him then why did they have to show him carrying on after the shot of Balon falling into the ocean? He’s breathing heavily and sort of bobbing his head, touching his face to feel for blood. It’d be like if that first guy Darth Vader forced choked punched him in the face before dying. Then afterwards we get a shot of Vader in pain with his hand on his face.

      But anyway, most of you guys were in love with Kylo Ren, the biggest pussy of a villain of all time. So it’s no wonder you’d excuse Euron already getting wounded by his old ass brother.

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    152. Well, Jon’s alive then. I was underwhelmed. Where was the build-up? No matter what the reason behind Jon coming back to life is, the viewers weren’t given the chance to figure it out by themselves. We weren’t explained why Jon should be resurrected. The mutiny was already over. We don’t know why Mel and Davos care enough about Jon to even think about resurrecting him. If Jon warged, we weren’t given any indication of his ability to do so in advance. If he’s AA and that’s why he’s alive, we weren’t given any reason to think it could be him or, as a matter of fact, to think why he would be anyone special at all (except for being able to kill that white walker, but even that was explained by him using Valyrian steel, not by Jon having special abilities).

      I would’ve liked to understand why he comes back to life before he came back to life. I guess they want us to experience this the way that somebody like Davos is experiencing it (=not understanding at all what is going on), it’s just not what I’d call satisfying storytelling.

      Anyway, I’m glad most people here seem to be happy with the episode. I guess the ‘oh shit, that happened’ approach doesn’t work for me. Glad Jon’s back, though.

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    153. That was an A+ episode. Bryan Cogman earned a 2 episode promotion and I think Dave Hill has earned a 2 episode promotion for next season.

      However, some may say the Children of the Forest look has improved but I don’t like how she now looks like a grown woman and not a child. I think the Children of the Forest should look younger and actually prefer the look in season 4 over this new one.

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    154. Hmm, seriously was hoping for a different outcome to the twist really. Hoping there still is and this isn’t a simple “Second Coming” that GRRM intended all along, would be more interesting if Jon was back in body but not in mind…

      Hoping for complications in the next episode!

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    155. just glad they didnt drag his resurrection out for longer, most people were expecting it anyway. Now just really excited to see whats happening next. Will he be changed?

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    156. Oh and Euron always came off as a caricature in the books (Jack Sparrow gone bad), this realisation looks a lot more promising so far.

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    157. Masterofthrones: Poor Rickon. Also I think Davos will be burning at the battle. I think he is going to the Umbers and asking them to join there army. But suddenly they arrest Davos and hand him over to the Boltons.

      Just guessing.

      Pretty sure they show Davos looking at the burning crosses in a trailer. And by then it should be clear the Umbers are with the Boltons.

      They name dropped the Manderlys. Combine that with the casting calls, and we’re definitely getting a version of Lord Manderly’s epic “mummer’s farce” monologue, aren’t we?

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    158. taim,

      Yeah I think he will change a bit but not a lot. What will be changed about him we will come to know in the next couple of episodes.

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    159. PERFECT!!! Best episode so far? Definitely up there with Hardhome and others. LOVED the fact that they didn’t show the dogs doing their “thing” with that poor baby (not so much poor Walda, I could care less). I think Melisandre and Davos are exactly where they should be. He gives her hope by having faith in her and I’m not at all surprised by the change in how he interacts with her…he knows how much Stannis thought of Jon, he knows how powerful she was and let’s all face it, Stannis was his man and he said many things to Davos about him AND Jon has inspired great respect from others and I think Davos realizes there is a need for him. Wish Thorne and company had been squished under Wun Wun’s boot, but there’s a reason they weren’t…should be interesting to see Thorne’s expression when he realizes Jon is alive. Ramsey killing Roose was spot on IMHO. We KNEW it was coming but it still made me gasp. Sansa and Brienne in the woods talking about Arya, Theon and his scene with Sansa was so poignant it made me sad; Euron!! Knew it was coming, but it was so much better on the screen than I expected (or I’m just still blown away by this episode). Bloodraven and Bran!! That scene told of happier times and showed a family that was all Stark and you could actually feel their love for each other. So much to take in! I have to say those dragons must have sensed something in Tyrion….what???
      Then there is Jon. We all expected it to happen, knew it would happen, but when I saw Ghost stir and him gasp and his eyes fly open I got so excited that I was high-fiving the air like an idiot, saying “yes, yes” over and over. I must say despite the fact there were leaks that he was alive the cast and crew did plant the tiniest seed of doubt in my mind. Didn’t matter about the fact I knew, it was GREAT to see him suck in air!
      I’m sure there are things in this episode that people have and will continue to pick apart, but we are moving forward at breakneck speed and I CANNOT GET ENOUGH GOT! D&D are doing a great job IMO, and deserve the credit for pushing this show to great lengths. Jon!!
      “I have a gift for you”. Rickon? THAT scares me a bit…King’s Moot coming, TOJ!! Bring it on HBO.
      Well, I’m blubbering like an idiot, but I’m so psyched at this point. Can’t wait to read TWOW, but as a tv show GOT is certainly the best by far.

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    160. Hello guys, WHAT AN EPISODE !!!
      Do you know how people cheer when your belowed team scores a goal ?
      I assume you do, well i cheered double than that when Jon opened his eyes !!! HOLY FUCK
      So… now when i am little settled xD what do you think about this:

      http://www.farfarawaysite.com/section/got/gallery6/gallery4/hires/1.jpg

      this is Davos in episode 4, something is burning, i really hope the burning ones are Thorne Olly etc etc, since Mel has her power now and she needs sacrifices !!!

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    161. from the day it became highly probable that Jon was coming back …I wanted to see his ressurection scene…..was so much hyped ……I thought it would be really epic…..but frankly I am dissapointed. …maybe it was my own expectation that got in the way of my enjoyment of the scene …maybe it was the fact that I knew he was coming. …
      but I wasn’t moved … that scene the whole build up didn’t really hit me as much as I thought it would. …
      anyone else felt that way? ?

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    162. In my country we can only stream the episodes and so we don’t see the “what’s next teasers”. Anyone share a link here?

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    163. Loved IT!!!!!!!!!

      The North: Ramsey is among my favourite characters. I always thought him a bit childish but it was so good to see him as ”Lord Bolton”. Sansas scene with Brienne and Theon were great. She couldn’t tell Brienne about the rape…I almost cried. I did cry when she hugged Theon.

      KL: Perfect. Loved seeing Tommen trying to become stronger, it was also nice to see him admit he was weak. Lena is just killing it and Pryce makes me love him even more with every scene he has. Good to find out that they know Trystane is dead.

      Meereen: I fucking love Tyrion just being tired of all this crap and throwing jokes at Varys. The dragon scene was amazing. Tyrion was drawn to the Dragons by his desire to see them up-close. I liked how he realised, at the end, how crazy the entire thing was.

      The Wall: It was fine……….IT WAS GREAT!!! No warging bullshit, no old gods bullshit, they fired a gun by having Mel see Thoros and they fired it up. This is exactly why I love D&D.
      I loved the scene with Davos and Mel. Davos is a good man, he is kind to Mel, after all she, as much as he knows, suffers the same thing as he does, they lost Stannis and Shireen. Davos of course doesn’t know the truth, yet.
      I also liked that he tried to make Mel have faith in her powers again.
      He may not like then but he, above anyone else, knows that her powers are real. So it’s worth a try.

      S6 started amazingly well for me. I never doubted the writers a second, they have never dissapointed me as of yet.

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    164. LatrineDiggerBrian: Balon Greyjoy has had 3 scenes on the show, he didn’t need any kind of a bad ass death. Euron should’ve dominated him without a scratch, and if they were going to show another shot of him, show him laughing his ass off.

      Wow. We have totally different tastes. A shot of Euron laughing his ass off would’ve brought that scene down to Dorne-level for me.

      The writers have already badly bungled one horrible AFFC/ADWD subplot (Dorne). I’m grateful they didn’t do the same with the other horrible AFFC/ADWD subplot (Iron Islands). Here’s hoping that by giving Yara/Theon the Vicatrion plot, and toning down some of the more extreme characteristics of book Euron (as well as giving him an actual personality, something the show Sand Snakes sorely lacks), the writers can redeem the Iron Islands story.

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    165. Mihnea,

      Forgot about the Ironborn.

      EURON HAS NO EYE-PATCH, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      They already won me over with him, with this alone. But I also loved Balon and Yara.

      And ”I am the Drowned God” was much better then ”I am the storm”.

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    166. Jon’s jumpscare like rezzing really reminded me of when Jaime’s hand was cut off. It was all so sudden, and then they played that modern “Bear and the Maiden Fair” cover. I feel like they were trying to achieve the same effect here, and it worked 😀

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    167. Dragonmcmx,

      Exactly why I didn’t want them to have that exact dialogue in the show. Something are just not good on TV.

      I can also see the biggest book-purist complaint for next episode. Dayne not having Dawn.

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    168. El-Bobbie,

      My point was, regardless of who Jon is, we were given no reason why he should be resurrected. Why him? People die on GoT all the time. Why was his resurrection so important? Was it important? It didn’t seem important to me. Mel just happened to be in the right place at the right time, if it was Mel that brought him back. And yet I know that Jon didn’t die in vain, his death and resurrection have to have a function within the story. It all happened for a reason we’ll understand later, but right now it all seems very random to me. That was my problem with the episode.

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    169. Evi,

      And that’s why I loved it.

      The prophecies are the biggest thing I dislike about the books. But I do think they will adress this later, even in episode 3 perhaps as we have TOJ then.

      Why bring him back? He was their friend, he was a good man, he was a good leader, they can’t just let him die like that, especially when there is something they could try.

      To me these ”mundane” reasons are stronger then any prophecy.

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    170. I think The Onion knight resurrected Jon, and liken him to Thoros of Mir they are similar characters. Both follow other men who they admire and both have a similar history as not exactly model citizens who’ve changed to follow a higher calling. And at the time of their first resurrection were not really believers of The red God.

      It’s flimsy, I just got the feeling while watching that he was praying for Jon.

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    171. Sarahx: As for the theories that Jon had warged into Ghost…I just didn’t see any evidence of it and wanted to. I wound and rewound that section. When Ghost lifted his head, his eyes were still red. When Jon opened his eyes, they were still dark. I thought Ghost lifted his head because he sensed the return of Jon, not that Jon was transferring himself back into his body.

      I suspect that in the books, Jon’s soul wargs into Ghost, and that, along with Mel’s ritual, is what resurrects him.

      The show, however, has done nothing to set up Jon’s warning abilities (or of any of the other Starks), preferring to keep that ability solely for Bran. So to have Jon suddenly warging into Ghost would’ve looked cheesy on the show.

      I do think that scene deliberately had Ghost as the only one to witness Jon’s resurrection as an “Easter egg” of sorts for the book version. (Kinda like how when Arya was selling oysters in S5, they had a cat run across the screen as a call out to “Cat of the Canals.”)

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    172. Evi,

      I think it’s been established. Who did Davos send Ed for? The Wildlings. Because he knew they owed Jon their life. Jon is the guy who can unite the Wildlings to fight against the war that Davos KNOWS is coming. Jon is the guy whose main priority was preparing for the WW. And that’s a priority for Davos too. We saw him read the letter from CB and alert Stannis to what was happening up North. He’s the reason Stannis ever went.

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    173. Nadia:
      After this episode, I’m totally torn on if Sansa goes to Castle Black!!!

      On the one hand, it seems very much that they’re headed that direction, even though Ramsay clearly is currently planning an attack. Just seems like a foolishly obvious way for them to go if they’re trying to outrun and outsmart Ramsay? And yet it doesn’t look like Mel (and Jon, Davos, etc) are staying at CB long enough for a Bolton attack.

      So now after this episode I’m wondering if Sansa does go, maybe Ramsay will instead demand her return or he’ll kill Rickon? And while Jon himself would think it’s an empty threat, he’d need Sansa to actually tell him it was real – because Jon thinks Rickon is dead. The only people who could tell him it’s a real threat are Theon and Sansa, right?

      If I remember correctly, Sam told Jon about Bran and Rickon being alive in season 4. So he knows his little brothers escaped from WF. Getting news (a pink letter) about Rickon’s captivity could be what would push Jon to march towards WF. It’s also possible that Sansa would decide not to head to CB for fear of Ramsay following that path to find her, thus, prolonging the wait for a Stark reunion. Knowing that Sansa is somewhere out there and may be in danger, Jon could ask Davos (now a trusted ally) to look for her and they’d meet at the Bear Islands. Meanwhile, Jon would be preparing the wildlings for the battle. I hope I’m wrong about Sansa though because I’d like to see her and Jon to finally reunite by ep 3 or 4. And I’m still hoping (as I said a number of times here) it’s fake Rickon that Ramsay will get. We’ll know next week!

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    174. “I am the storm” sounded a bit too much like “I am of the night.”
      And all of Euron’s pronouncements sounded a bit campy.

      I am not convinced show-Euron will get a Red Viper-like welcome from the masses…

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    175. I jumped out of my seat and actually cheered at the ending! … fantastic!

      I also loved Tyrion and the dragons … Amazing Episode!

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    176. Funny thing. I’m a history nerd and was studying the Ottoman Empire last week.

      In Ottoman tradition when a son inherits his fathers throne/tittle he would always kill all his brothers, no matter the age.

      If he didn’t he would be considered weak. The lords and army where basically insist that the new ruler kill his brothers, so a civil war would be avoided.

      Funny to see this play on screen as well so soon after I read that.

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    177. Lavignac,

      I agree, but I always thought Euron was a joke in the books too.

      I liked ”I am the Drowned God” though and loved how when the bridge sways Balon almost falls while Euron doesn’t even flinch.

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    178. Masterofthrones,

      I think it’s Ramsay and a few Bolton soldiers that will be burning in Winterfell. Lord Karstark brief introduction, clearly showed us the sort of man he is and his playing the game of thrones.

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    179. And way to ignore the elephant in the room Tyrion: it’s all good that these dragons won’t harm the people they know best, but are you not at least mentioning that you’re willing to take chances that they won’t eat more random children?

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    180. El-Bobbie,

      Well, I think the main question to ask is not “Why was he resurrected?” but “Why was he killed in the first place?”. I think he was killed because a) GRRM wanted to have a huge cliffhanger to WoW and b) him dying was the only way Jon can join the war in the north without formally having to break his Nights Watch oath. However, I must admit that I would have them expected to speak the “and now his watch has ended” words before he became resurrected. I actually also expected them to have him step out of the fire to give him a Dany-like Targaryan moment and that they would somehow connect this to the Tower of Joy flashback. Now the question is, when and how (if at all) will Jon learn about his mother?
      So I can see your point that it was sort of disappointing that we did not get anything of this sort (yet). On the other hand, this scene smoothly brings Jon, Mel, Davos, and Tormund together as allies, and it will be very interesting to see them fighting the war in the north in the future episodes.

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    181. Zamolxys Deus:
      Am I the only one that thinks this episode was average?!?
      Jon Snow’s resurrection was pretty predictable, especially when Ghost looked up towards the table, Roose’s death, pretty lame, The Imp and the dragons, ok, Euron, OK, Sansa, meh, the flashback, ok,I was expecting a fight between the wildlings and the Night’s Watch,KL the only good scene was Jaime vs HS…..
      I don’t know, but I’m not that much hyped about season 6

      Nah, I’m with you.
      It’s cool that they seem to want to move the story forward, it just sucks that stuff really doesn’t need to make sense. I’m still looking forward to this season to at the very least get some possible answers that people have been waiting a very long time for.

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    182. Tyron_DragonRider,

      Dany’s pyre moment didn’t happen because she was Targaryen. It happened with magic unique to her and her dragons. No one in this series is ever going to step of a fire like Dany.

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    183. Tyron_DragonRider,

      Yeah I was expecting some stuff along those lines too

      However as my brain starts to function, it is apparent he looks rather different

      Probably because after so long he’s no longer in his NW clothing, despite having no “and now his Watch has ended”, the fact he arises without them is symbolically powerful

      My pet-theory had always revolved around his funeral Pyre, but obviously there is a homage to Bran in S1E2, plus it is nice that when he wakes up, it’s just him and his closest companion (Direwolf) and everything goes from there

      Predictions for next week, ToJ opening, “Promise me Ned” with his baby birth followed by him getting up off the Table as naked as his name day, symbolic of him being “re-born”

      Big question for me is if and how he’ll be different, show Beric didn’t seem to suffer the memory loss etc of his book counterpart so the showrunners may be exploring the whole “death changes you” differently

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    184. Oh, let me predict a wave of comment threads beginning with WYLLIS! This week!

      Davos new faith in Jon’s crucial importance and Melisandres specific ability somehow felt poorly justified. Did they delete a scene or two? He could have lamented on what Jon could have done that he can’t anymore, or something.

      In the flashback, was the taller figure Ser Rodrik, or big brother Brandon?

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    185. Flayed Potatoes,

      Good catch – I didn’t get that first time, but I’ve seen a few people call that out. I saw a few people also suggesting that this confirms R+L=D, because it proves that Ned really is Jon’s father; but I think it just shows that Jon got this mannerism from Ned, who presumably trained him the same way. He also says “winter is coming” a lot, tries to act “honourably” and believes that the man who passes the sentence must wield the sword. Whoever fathered him biologically, Ned is really his father. It makes sense that he acts and thinks like the man who raised him as a son

      R+L=D would be the most disappointing ‘plot twist’ of all time, anyway, so I’m hoping those people are wrong. That would be weak. Hey, guess what? That Targaryen Princess you love so much is really, secretly, a Targaryen Princess!

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    186. Nadia:
      Lol if they later scheduled the season so that May 1st was resurrection day – Orthodox/early Easter day – with all the HEAVY Jesus imagery and parallels…..woah

      That was EXACTLY my thought… 😉

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    187. I loved this episode. I cannot express enough how much I loved it. Were it not for the fact that I’ve got my kids to look after, I’d be watching it again right now!

      For a relatively short episode (at only 54 minutes), they managed to pack an awful lot in. There were the usual tear jerking moments (Sansa and Theon, Cersei and Tommen) and some of the usual grisly Game of Thrones moments where you can’t quite believe what they’re about to do (poor Walda and her baby). This episode also brought with it a mythical element in the flashback at the start and that climactic ending. I had plenty of laugh out loud moments, times I was perched precariously on the edge of my seat, moments where I cheered in triumph and shouted at my screen “they’re not actually going to show us are they?” (Walda). And after that ending I did a ridiculously silly victory dance around the room. We all knew it was coming, but to see Jon open his eyes was beautiful. He is without a doubt my favourite character and I am beyond thrilled he is back so soon.

      Having watched the preview for next week, I am so excited about the TOJ scene, but a little worried that it won’t convey the same tone/poignancy that I read into that scene in the books. When young Ned utters “now it ends” in the preview, there seems to be a darkness and anger in his voice, whereas when I read that scene, to me, it seemed to be with a reluctance and a sadness that Ned spoke those words. Maybe that’s just me and I read something into it that wasn’t there, but I think with any scene like this, where he fans have been waiting for it for a long time and where it is alrwady revered in a way as an iconic moment from the books, that there is quite a lot of potential for it to wrong. I was a show watcher before I read the books (though I have read them a few times now), so until this season I never had any expectations about a scene/character. I have complete faith in the show runners and amazing directors they have on this programme that it will be amazing, but I do worry that it will change what I imagined that scene to be when I read it.

      Also, I am interested to see how the situation with Ransey develops. I think they established last episode that everyone is terrified of him and while I know no one is going to believe his “Roose was poisoned” story, who will have the courage to stand against him? And if they do, what is their alternative? Until Sansa reveals herself, who will they follow?

      I am so stoked they mentioned the Manderleys!! Cannot wait for that speech.

      All in all, a wonderful near-hour of television. Well done to all the amazing people who brought it to life.

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    188. Ser Podrick:
      Flayed Potatoes,

      Good catch – I didn’t get that first time, but I’ve seen a few people call that out. I saw a few people also suggesting that this confirms R+L=D, because it proves that Ned really is Jon’s father; but I think it just shows that Jon got this mannerism from Ned, who presumably trained him the same way. He also says “winter is coming” a lot, tries to act “honourably” and believes that the man who passes the sentence must wield the sword. Whoever fathered him biologically, Ned is really his father. It makes sense that he acts and thinks like the man who raised him as a son

      R+L=D would be the most disappointing ‘plot twist’ of all time, anyway, so I’m hoping those people are wrong. That would be weak. Hey, guess what? That Targaryen Princess you love so much is really, secretly, a Targaryen Princess!

      just look at the promo for next episode, the Toj happens, so lol

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    189. King in Bulawayo:
      El-Bobbie,

      It’s already been established who Azor Ahai is in the show, and it looks clear as day it’s Daenerys.

      Doesn’t it seem a bit predictable, though? If that’s the case, we’ve basically been told up front from Book 1 / Season 1. The prophecy will have basically revealed the entire story, if it’s that simple. I prefer the idea that prophecy is ambiguous, that there is no ‘Azor Ahai’, and that people will have to sort this out for themselves rather than relying on ‘fate’. I mean, Dany being the saviour who swoops in with her dragons and saves the realm from the White Walkers is an ending which the most casual show watcher would probably have predicted right from the beginning, and she clearly fits the prophecy to a T – is it really going to go down like that? I guess it might, but I’m hoping it will be a little less predictable than that.

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    190. Ser Podrick,

      I agree with you. I don’t think GRRM would write something so obvious. His works are a lesson in explosive twists and revelations as well as things not being as they seem. I would be very surprised if Dany was AA purely because that seems to be the obvious choice. I also think there won’t be one AA, but instead many of the lead characters will team together to fulfil the prophecy.

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    191. Nadia: Lol if they later scheduled the season so that May 1st was resurrection day – Orthodox/early Easter day – with all the HEAVY Jesus imagery and parallels…..woah

      And, of course, the Tower of Joy scene with the revelation of who Jon Snow’s mother is next Sunday … on Mother’s Day!

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    192. El-Bobbie,

      Well, obviously you are right. I just think that having John step out of his burning funeral pyre would have been a great moment for him, and connecting it to the Tower of Joy scene would have made it a very powerful scene. So Mel “just” speaking the words and resurrecting him is somewhat less epic than I had anticipated. Don’t get me wrong, its a great scene, but it clearly hints to Jon and his resurrection not having exactly the importance for saving the realm (AA prophecies) that some fans (including me) would have liked to see.

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    193. Inquisitor1961:
      Hello guys, WHAT AN EPISODE !!!
      Do you know how people cheer when your belowed team scores a goal ?
      I assume you do, well i cheered double than that when Jon opened his eyes !!! HOLY FUCK
      So… now when i am little settled xD what do you think about this:

      That picture also makes me think that Davos may be starting to wonder whether Shireen ended in the same way…..seeing Melisandre burning people, he might start to connect the dots somehow, especially if there has been some more dialogue asking how Shireen died exactly, and Mel is evasive about it. Burning a child would obviously horrify Davos, and this could show him that Mel is capable of such a thing….

      So much for the famous ‘leaked plot’ from a few months ago, which said that Jon would actually be resurrected by sacrificing Olly (*lol*).

      Hopefully Jon isn’t coming back as an asshole who starts burning people alive and generally acting like a dick.

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    194. Ser Podrick: I mean, Dany being the saviour who swoops in with her dragons and saves the realm from the White Walkers is an ending which the most casual show watcher would probably have predicted right from the beginning, and she clearly fits the prophecy to a T – is it really going to go down like that?

      Same way most of people expect her to win a throne. We’ll see how this ends but something tells me neither of those will happen. It’s not going to be just Daeny leading them or saving them alone. We have others too. Also Iron Throne is what 99% fans predicts with Daeny on it at the end. It can ends this way but who knows at this point. Ending is the same for both books and the show so George might come up with a surprise.

      Idea about Azor Ahai being interpretated the way people want it. Well, it can happen. Look at Tormund, he said they think Jon is some sort of a God. They might really believe he’s the one to led them and then we have this line from Tormund about Mance when he said “I thought he was the one to lead us through Long Night” and with this revelation abot Jon. He changed his opinion.

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    195. like, for real? There is people who disliked the episode?

      They give to you one of the greatest episode of the show, completely strong and awesome beginning to end, and just bitching and moaning…

      you gotta be fucking kidding me.

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    196. Josh L.: Wow. We have totally different tastes. A shot of Euron laughing his ass off would’ve brought that scene down to Dorne-level for me.

      The writers have already badly bungled one horrible AFFC/ADWD subplot (Dorne). I’m grateful they didn’t do the same with the other horrible AFFC/ADWD subplot (Iron Islands). Here’s hoping that by giving Yara/Theon the Vicatrion plot, and toning down some of the more extreme characteristics of book Euron (as well as giving him an actual personality, something the show Sand Snakes sorely lacks), the writers can redeem the Iron Islands story.

      I didn’t necessarily say I wanted a shot of him laughing maniacally, but it would be better than him wounded by Balon. I think they should’ve cut it after the overhead shot of the ocean tbh. Stupid to show Euron hurting after Balon takes the plunge.

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    197. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Balon was chosen as king for a reason. Just because he lived to an older age, doesn’t mean he was defenseless. He had to have been The Man in his day.

      What would have been stupid is if he hadn’t shown some resistance.

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    198. Nymeria Warrior Quen: Hahaha!

      I’ve watched the episode twice, now, and I still can’t recall all the moments I thought were fantastic.I read through the posts and think, oh, yeah, that one, too…and that one!

      Especially on the rewatch, although I loved the scene the first time, the way Sophie and Gwendoline play off each other is making for some really phenomenal scenes between them.I said this last week, and I’ll say it, again, Sophie has really grown as an actress.

      Absolutely! Sansa’s little smile was perfect as she recalled that Arya would not be dressed like a lady.

      I loved this episode. So many wonderful moments: Ghost’s awareness that Jon was “coming back,” Tormund’s determination, the appearance of Euron. This is one of my favorite episodes in the series.

      And I agree that it was a young Ser Rodrick (with the mutton chops) in the yard at WF training the Stark boys.

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    199. WOW!!!that was some serious piece of TV!! When Ghost reanimated with lit up eyes, hearts stopped around the world in anticipation & in that final shot an entire fandom was brought back to life! A+
      The flashbacks were glorious & I think the parallels drawn between Ned & Jon about the importance of shield wielding somewhat reflect he is very much his father’s son & reinstate his status as a true blue Stark.
      The fate of Roose & Walda was predicted here by many including myself. Only wish stabbing of Roose was accompanied with”Lannisters send their regards….j/k”.

      Snowbowl is coming!!

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    200. DireWolfHeart:
      Anyone else think that Theon returning “home” could mean WF instead of Pyke?

      Okay, you think he´s going to take that horse and just ride it back to Winterfell where the flaying psychopathic babykiller resides? Getting through that gate and just say “Hy fellas imma back!” ?

      Why, by the old Gods and the new ones, he should do that?! O_0

      No, he´s going back to HIS home. Pyke. In the season´s trailer you can see him hugging with Yara and Alfie Allen was reported to be filming on the Iron Islands location.

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    201. dragonbringer:
      Let’s be done with TOJ and RLJ now Jon is back ..

      I think the next big most intriguing subject should be what happened to HODOR .

      I think Wyliss (Hodor) discovers the Dragon living under Winterfell and is either dumbstruck with fear or “enchanted” in some way not to reveal Winterfell’s secret! The Living/Sleeping Dragon is why there must always be a Stark in Winterfell [

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    202. Preview for next episode…

      First scene at the Wall:

      Jon: “‘morning, guys!”
      Edd: “Wakey, wakey…”
      Davos: “IT’S ALIVE! [crazy laughter] [flashlights]”

      Tormund menacing some crows with a crossbow, turns around [joyful]: “Oh boy!”
      The crossbow accidently shoots… Jon goes to his knees…

      Mel: [angry] “Well, that’s just perfect… Thanx! Seven hells! … errrr… The night is dark and full of errors…”

      And so, GoT get’s a ressurection running gag.

      Sorry, couldn’t resist.

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    203. Ser Podrick,

      Che,

      The “that’s too predictable” argument falls flat to me. What is too predictable? And does it matter?

      Didn’t we all predict that Jon would be resurrected? Is the act lessened in some way because we predicted it?

      Aren’t we all predicting that the Starks, at the end of all this, will be redeemed and rule the North once again? We all know it’s going to happen.

      And the prophesy states a warrior will pull a magic sword from a fire. What’s more predictable than a traditional warrior actually wielding a magic sword? A tiny girl, with no battle training, wielding a flaming dragon is far less predictable than that. Dragons have been compared to flaming swords in the books, but not in the show. Show-watchers are still looking for a warrior with a magic sword. They have no reason to think that Lightbringer will be Drogon. So no, not too predictable.

      And I don’t get why Dany being a savior figure is more predictable than Jon being a savior figure. I mean, how often has he been compared to Jesus Christ on this very website.

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    204. Lots of great highlights here in a very, very strong episode here. The Ironborn section, the flashback, the beautiful Sansa and Brienne scene, and the part we all knew was coming, but I don’t care because it was such a great fist-pump moment.

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    205. KG:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Balon was chosen as king for a reason. Just because he lived to an older age, doesn’t mean he was defenseless. He had to have been The Man in his day.

      What would have been stupid is if he hadn’t shown some resistance.

      So what did you think of Roose’s death then? He’s one of the craftier minds in Westeros, a calculating bad ass, and he got taken out like a total chump. I guess no one in the Bolton army was loyal to him? He must have not been that powerful if he could just be killed and there wouldn’t be any repercussions. Ridiculous.

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    206. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      He wasn’t exactly stabbed amongst guards or soldiers (like Doran, but yeah I didn’t like the Dorne plot). That maester is terrified of Ramsay and the Karstark didn’t have any chance to do anything. For all his craftiness and wisdom, it is Roose’s arrogance that undoes him. Him saying “you will always be my firstborn” shows that he knew Ramsay’s insecurity, but thought he could control him. It is a typical shortsighted decision by Ramsay, which probably dooms his family. He would always have been the heir, at least until that child came of age. His father was his best chance to consolidae power in the North and by murdering that chance, he has doomed himself by his impulsiveness, jealousy and ambition. That mad dog tag his father warned him about is definitely coming back to bite him in the ass.

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    207. Ser Podrick,

      Che,

      Yeah because RLJ and Jon coming back is not the obvious and most predictable thing out there ..
      George has written some straightforward and predictable things like that with Jon and cersei and her prophecy and much more …

      It has been said many times that the story is not about the hero fulfilling a prophecy but characters actions making them as a hero ..
      Dany never know anything about prophecy …she just makes her decisions and go with it ..the same valyrians with dragons enslaved essos ..dany the last valyrian princess alive using the same dragons freeing people ..its all about choices and human heart at conflict …

      And the fact that George dropped all the clues in the first book back when he thought it will be trilogy only to become a series which will never end ..doesn’t make all those clues and chapters of dany in AGOT go away ..
      Its the same thing happened with Jon GRrm had all the hints dropped and ToJ in first books …
      Can anyone call RLJ is most predictable so hope he says as Ned son …we can’t right .did anyone thought harry was not the chosen one

      And AA alone is not the mystery anyway the mystery always was Dragon with three heads and what the three heads referring to..

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    208. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Noone except Karstark and the Maester saw it happen. Karstark was clearly in on it, and the Maester was bullied into silence. I read the spoilers yesterday and was worried that noone might give a damn, but it was done way better than I had expected.

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    209. Geralt of Rivia,

      I actually think Tormund is taking to Melisandre.

      Why would they think Jon is a god, he’s not the one who had the magic to bring someone back. That was Mel. She literally played God by brining Jon back.

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    210. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      The soldiers didn’t see Ramsey kill Roose…..

      And yes I liked how he went. It was pathetic, it was at the hands of the monster he created, he died the same way Rob did.

      I loved his death just like I loved Tywin’s. Both great/smart men who died like they were worthless.

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    211. Ser Podrick,

      I don’t believe in R +L = D

      I think it’s just nature vs nurture. Jon learned a lot of his lessons from Ned and he will always see him as his father, just like Theon does. D&D went to great lengths last season to draw parallels between Jon/Ned and Sansa/Cat, showing how they raised and influenced them.

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    212. BubbleGutts192,

      His Targaryen side is no more important than his Stark side. I don’t think him having a dragon blood is in any way significant for him being resurrected. It might come later on with dragons and bonding with one of them. Just look what happened with Tyrion. He’s got to have drop of right Targaryen blood otherwise he would be like Quentyn.

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    213. koempel,

      Yeah but Walda and baby were killed in the kennels which is right out in the open. Think no one would notice hounds destroying two humans? And Ramsey says to say that Roose was poisoned, I guess no one loyal to Roose would want to see the body for themselves? It’s a convenient way to advance the plot when you want Ramsey to be in charge without Roose around, but it isn’t great writing.

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    214. dragonmcmx,

      Also what Ramsey did afterwards, with Walda, doesn’t bother the soldiers because that’s what hundreds of Lords before did that.

      Not to say it has historical accuracy. Like I said in Ottoman culture it was almost mandatory to kill your brothers as not to have any rivals to your position.

      It wasn’t only accepted but it was encouraged!

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    215. El-Bobbie,

      I don’t think that we can compare the inevitability of Jon’s resurrection and the theory that Dany is AA.

      Jon had to come back and there is also (though it is yet to be revealed exactly how) going to be a reason why he had to die for his character to develop. He is one of the story’s two most important characters and with such an enormous amount of development put into his story (much of which has not come to light yet), his ressurection went beyond predictable and was in fact, dare I say it, inevitable and a necessary part of the plot.

      The prophecy on the other hand seems far more vague. GRRM seems to make a point of writing twists into his story that move away from the typical fantasy tropes and into a much more realistic realm. Characters do things that genuinely shock us and revelations are made that are completely out of the blue all the time. In this story nothing is as it initially seems.

      I would just be very surprised if the character that seems to fit almost all the criteria for AA actually ends up being AA. I just feel that nothing has been that simple in this story.

      In truth I don’t think there is any one single AA character. I think that the prophecy will be loosely used to explain the actions of several characters, perhaps even a triad of characters (the three heads of the dragon).

      The way in which Jon was brought back, seemingly directly due to the whim of the Red God, suggests that he is of great importance. Then there is the matter of Mel seeing him in the flames when she asks Rhollr for visions of AA. I’m not saying it’s definitely Jon, but I do feel he will play a part in the prophecy in the same way Dang will.

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    216. So glad that the majority of us, who really believed that Jon Snow would come back to life are vindicated. Congratulations to all those involved in the show who strongly denied that any such thing was going to happen; for the most part, they stuck to their guns. It was cutting it fine, when Tormund (at least I think it was him) went to get some wood to burn the body. I said until I saw his body burning on a funeral pyre I would believe that he would be back. There was just a sneaking doubt (after Eddard and Rob Stark leaving the stage) that perhaps Jon might too, just to confound us all. I almost feel I can forgive the Dorne scenarios, almost.

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    217. El-Bobbie,

      Good job sir ..you have said everything i wantwd to say

      And I agree with you on tormund also I think he is saying that to Mel ..who has more one who came back or one who brought him back .

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    218. Mihnea:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      The soldiers didn’t see Ramsey kill Roose…..

      And yes I liked how he went. It was pathetic, it was at the hands of the monster he created, he died the same way Rob did.

      I loved his death just like I loved Tywin’s. Both great/smart men who died like they were worthless.

      Think people won’t put two and two together after Walda and baby are ripped to pieces right out in the open? Think they wouldn’t want to see Roose’s body? It’s not really so easy to kill powerful men like that without anyone asking questions.

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    219. Mihnea:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      The soldiers didn’t see Ramsey kill Roose…..

      And yes I liked how he went. It was pathetic, it was at the hands of the monster he created, he died the same way Rob did.

      I loved his death just like I loved Tywin’s. Both great/smart men who died like they were worthless.

      Well maybe Tywin should have been surrounded by guards while he was taking a shit and stayed safely alive – bad GRRM!

      The books and the show have always been about choices and consequences as much as the shock value of the deaths. What matters now is the outcomes of Ramsay’s decision and we don’t know that yet until we see it play out. Ramsay had the fear factor as well as the protection and backing of his father but now he just has the fear factor – will that be enough…?

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    220. LatrineDiggerBrian: Think people won’t put two and two together after Walda and baby are ripped to pieces right out in the open? Think they wouldn’t want to see Roose’s body? It’s not really so easy to kill powerful men like that without anyone asking questions.

      Well why not wait and see where this goes before getting all huffy puffy about it?

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    221. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      No they won’t. Because killing your brothers after you took over was common place back then.

      At most they would think Ramsey is removing competition and solidify his hold on power by removing any rivals.

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    222. Mihnea:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Why would they be bothered if he killed Walda?
      What should they do? Follow a baby or the man who defeated Stannis?

      Look at my comment above. It has huge historical accuracy.

      Roose gets the credit for leading them to victory against Stannis. He gets the credit for advancing House Bolton to being Warden of the North. So all of a sudden they’re going to want to follow some crazy psychopath?

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    223. Ser Podrick,

      I thought people would come up with it. I would like to ask them where is Ashara or Brandon? 😀 Btw it was a nice nod to Jon and Olly moment at the all from 5×01. It more shows that Jon threated Olly as his little brother to me. Which makes For The Watch even more heartbreaking. Wonder, what Jon will do with him and ohers. If he’s truly changed burning might be an option.

      The problem is that show never for once doubted anything about Daeny and her heritage. It would feel out of nowhere if for example both Daeny and Jon were Rhaegar’s children or Daeny be Rhaegar’s kid. She’s got blood of the First Men already. It really serves nothing in the story for her to be their child. Daeny is a Targaryen and her whole story is built on it. Fighting as a last Targaryen to reclaim her throne. For Jon who lived whole his life as bastard, realizing he might be legitimate, child of Rhaegar who he learnt to rape and kidnapped Lyana, Targaryen either way bastard/true born and possible bonding with dragon, his relationship with Ned. Game changer. Besides we were presented with clues in the show more than once. It started last season and reveal this season.

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    224. LatrineDiggerBrian: Roose gets the credit for leading them to victory against Stannis. He gets the credit for advancing House Bolton to being Warden of the North. So all of a sudden they’re going to want to follow some crazy psychopath?

      It is better to be feared than loved…..

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    225. That was such an amazing episode start to finish that even after a good night’s sleep, I still can’t organize my thoughts into coherent commentary. Just amazing! And that was the episode the 10 months of hype had me ready for. And not just the rise of “Jon Snow”, but a Lyanna Stark sighting and the “Now it begins”, “No, now it ends” in next week’s preview. Oh man, it’s going to be a long 7 days.

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    226. HegemonDrone,

      Yes they have. Mel and Stannis’ very first scene. Mentions bleeding stars, and a warrior drawing a flaming sword out of a fire. She has also mentioned the lord’s chosen being born amidst salt and smoke. The entire book prophesy has pretty much been said by Mel at some point.

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    227. Mihnea:
      LatrineDiggerBrian,

      No they won’t. Because killing your brothers after you took over was common place back then.

      At most they would think Ramsey is removing competition and solidify his hold on power by removing any rivals.

      History is far more complicated than just, someone kills brother and moves right into power and everything else falls into place.

      It would’ve been 10x better to have Roose kill Ramsey as soon as the baby came out. No one would’ve saw that coming.

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    228. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Ramsey led the attack on Stannis.

      They would have followed him anyway. He was the heir, Roose was playing with him, true, but only to motivate him and make him more careful. He married him to Sansa, he gave him command of the army.
      Even with a new boy being born, Ramsey would still have inherited the lordship. Only Roose could have changed that.
      But he didn’t, because Roose always intended for Ramsey to follow him.

      So now they have a choice. Follow a baby or Ramsey. Ramsey lead the attack on Stannis. He is ”strong”, he kills their enemies and shows no mercy.

      Yes them choosing to follow Ramsey over a newborn baby is the sanest thing they could’ve done.

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    229. Unsullied here, skipped the comments and stuff.

      But I am really curious, why the Umbers would side with the Boltons – especially IF they have Rickon… I mean… King Robb didn’t do anything to them, did he?

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    230. El-Bobbie,

      Good job sir ..you have said everything i wantwd to say

      And I agree with you on tormund also I think he is saying that to Mel ..who has more one who came back or one who brought him back .

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    231. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      And that’s were I disagree. Ramsey killing Roose was set-up perfectly. Just to change it because people ”saw” it coming isn’t a option.

      And history isn’t more complex in this instance. New Ottoman rulers always killed they brothers after taking power, if they had brothers left, they usually would have done it before.

      And no one, cared, because it was the norm back then.

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    232. As it stands now, I love the parallels between Doran, Roose and Balon’s deaths. They’re all personal, up-close, sudden and committed by family, and they happen within two episodes. My favorite is deffinately Balon and Euron on the bridge. They really managed to add great suspense to that scene, even though it was obvious Balon was going to fall at some point. It’s probably the most sudden of the three betrayal because we have no idea who Euron is before this scene. But it very quickly and very effectively gives us the information we need. Euron is simpy mad. I fucking love the story of him being tied to a mast for fear that he would jump over board during a storm and then when the storm cleared he cut out all the crews tounges. ‘I needed silence.’ hahahahah. I was worried, he would be too similar to Ramsay and Joffrey, but it looks like he’s all his own. Patrick Malahide was also great in his last scene, with all Balons bitterness and anger. He was a brilliant Balon Greyjoy. I don’t mind Dorne, but this subplot on Pyke was introduced much more intruiqingly.

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    233. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Depends on how you look at that scene. I assume he went to kill Walda immediately after, a bit too late for anyone to stop him after she has been torn to shreds. Of course most of the men assume foul play, but nobody saw it and everybody knows Ramsay and you can guess what he does to the first one to utter a bad word. I don’t see any common soldier stepping up, just keep your head down and stay alive. Based on Locke’s troops and Ramsay’s men (for example during Moat Cailin), these are hardened veterans and quite used to horror. They are fighting for a house with a Flayed Man on its banners. Were they in the room/kennels they might have reacted, but after that it was too late. It is not like Roose’s cold demeanor must have inspired a lot of extreme loyalty.

      I do feel sad about Roose’s demise and wished he was still alive, but I honestly believe he would win (against Starks). Ramsay has made his bed and it will be a sweet moment when he realises it. As some commented before, Roose was responsible for his own demise by creating a monster that in the end he could not control. It is a fitting end for a cold man, yet the show has lost a great character once more.

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    234. Dee,

      Maybe it’s fake Rickon but it could be for power or out of fear?

      It looks like they betrayed Starks and it has nothing to do with Wildlings or they try to play them, which is unlikely. What’s more surprising the Manderly’s are also with the Boltons. In the books it’s complete opposite and show devaitd from the source material.
      Ramsay’s reputation is well known. In the preview it doesn’t look like Smalljon to me. I thought he might bring the gift to Ramsay as defacto new leader of Umbers. Since Greatjon suddenly dissapeared. I know the actor had an intense relationship with D&D and never been seen since season 2. I really liked Gratjon and one of the fighters even Jaime feared.

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    235. Can we take a moment to reflect on how much as happened in TWO episodes? It’s insane.

      They weren’t kidding when they said this season hits the ground running.

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    236. In the episode 3 preview we see Umber men bringing their “gift” in a wagon to Winterfell.

      And Bolton Junior conversing with his two new best buddies, Karstark Junior and Umber Junior. Seems the young generation raises its claims to do things its own way…

      As Karstark says: “It’s time for new blood in the North.”

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    237. Dee,

      It’s a theory, sorry.
      Not confirmed.

      Their castle is close to the Gift, the NW lands, actually it’s the closest and furthest into the north.

      I think the theory goes that they hate the wildlings because they raided their lands. I can’t exactly remember well.

      Also I don’t think will see the Greatjon. So who knows how the new lord Umber might be…
      I don’t really like it either but will wait and see how it will play out.

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    238. Kamali,

      Forget about it.
      Some people want to see exactly what they picture in their minds, but it’s never gonna happen like they want to.
      I find it pointless to argue with those fans, because nothing will ever satisfy them.

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    239. dragonbringer,

      My own prediction is that the ´SWMTW’ mentioned by the Dosh Khaleen is actually Drogon, Daenerys’ symbolic son and her main instrument to conquer the world.

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    240. The Long Night:
      That was such an amazing episode start to finish that even after a good night’s sleep, I still can’t organize my thoughts into coherent commentary.Just amazing!And that was the episode the 10 months of hype had me ready for.And not just the rise of “Jon Snow”, but a Lyanna Stark sighting and the “Now it begins”, “No, now it ends” in next week’s preview.Oh man, it’s going to be a long 7 days.

      Was Lyanna in the preview for “Oathbreaker”?

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    241. Mihnea,

      Well nothing you are saying is portrayed in the show. You know those details from the books.
      So I guess we take it that it is flat out betrayal. Ugh.

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    242. Dee:
      Jack Bauer 24,

      Yes she was – as the Maester said. “She is resting” and ramsay didn’t give a F**K.
      SO, Maester probably told her that Lord Bolton needs her asap.

      Oh yeah you’re right 🙂 So what did you think of Euron?!

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    243. Dee: But I am really curious, why the Umbers would side with the Boltons – especially IF they have Rickon… I mean… King Robb didn’t do anything to them, did he?

      Because all of a sudden there’s a bunch of wildings below the Wall, so the Umbers are looking at the Warden of the North to help them take care of the wildings. And at this moment, it happens to be Lord Bolton.

      All of the Umbers who were loyal to the Starks were slaughtered at the Red Wedding.

      Also, if the North bannermen know that Jon Snow is the Lord Commander of the NIght’s Watch, they also know that Jon Snow (aka Ned’s bastard) willingly let the wildings beyond the Wall. They probably are not feeling any loyalty towards the Starks right now.

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    244. SO excited about this season I can’t wait for more. Unlike last epi (which I still loved), I think there was a perfect balance of sucking up to book fans (Stark flash back/Greyjoy) and unexpected exciting stuff (Jon, Sansa/Brienne/Theon, Tyrion and DRAGNZ).

      My sullied but less obsessed Husband is now 100% on board the hype train too. He’s even started reading shit online again (last few seasons he was content just to watch the show and let me freak out between weeks).

      My un-sullied brother is still like “well I guess that was nice that happened but surely he’ll just die pointlessly later or something.”
      I think A Show has traumatized him…

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    245. Mihnea,

      Hence ‘probably’ ;-). That Wildling aspect is interesting. Would explain why the Umbers only give Rickon to the Boltons at this point in time (I assume they noticed a shitload of Wildlings on their side of the wall). If word reached them that a Stark bastard did it, they might think twice. I still assume one of the Bolton bannermen will be forced into their service because of hostages and eventually will betray them, but that might be mostly wishful thinking since Lord Manderly is one of the few highlights of the 5th book for me (no he doesn’t have to be ridiculously fat 🙂 ).

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    246. Jack Bauer 24,

      Well I REALLY enjoyed that bridge scene. And Euron is a very interesting character so far. I am excited to see him in another scene without a storm. hahaha
      But I was really intrigued by the storm/drowned gods discussion.

      I need a rewatch to catch everything

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    247. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      I think it’s gonna have importance later on. Yara is gonna see that cut to Eurons face. I personally liked, that old Balon managed to cut his oponent. He had been a great reaver many years ago.

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    248. “I killed my cousin”
      What does Jaimie mean?
      He didn’t kill anyone, did he?

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    249. Geralt of Rivia: What’s more surprising the Manderly’s are also with the Boltons. In the books it’s complete opposite and show devaitd from the source material.

      Not at all. In the books, the Manderlys are with the Freys and Boltons at the beginning. It isn’t until Lord “Too-Fat-To-Sit-A-Horse” secures the return of his son (who survived the Red Wedding massacre) when he finally unveils his plan to Davos (“The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done”).

      Besides, if you’ve seen the casting calls, you’d know that

      there’s a Manderly-like role that asks for an actor of a large statue that changes sides at the last moment and gives a memorable speech.

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    250. El-Bobbie,

      Yes at this rate I confodent that tyrells also will die at the end of this season making way for dorne and martells hmm sorry sandsnakes ..

      By the way can you elaborate what was said in the small council meeting between tyriom and missandei and varys and greyworm…were dragons stopped eating after dany went .

      Thanks in advance looks like iam having some problems posting .

      Ispahan75,

      I have seen many say this …but that doesn’t make sense the one who is going to unite and lead them is dany not drogon and the prophecy like AAR and TPTWp talks about a promised prince I’m ancient prophecy ..which makes more sense to consider that it marks all three talks about one and its actually a princess not Prince .

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    251. Mihnea,

      I will be a happy man if that comes true. Always felt that Ned’s morality would endure and that ‘ruling through fear’ would eventually prove unsustainable.

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    252. With all the Lyanna love I thought someone would attempt to discover the young actor cast. Looking at the end credits, Cordelia Hill might be her name because nothing on the internet, thereby this could be her first screen role. Someone here can check the agencies for that name and verify if it’s her.
      Personally I cannot believe HBO hasn’t released the girls name or her agency, after all this is an important start for her career.

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    253. Jack Bauer 24,

      I can only speak for myself. After giving birth I felt like making handstands and was certainly able and more than willing to leave the bed. It all depends on your body and the size of the baby. In lots of cultures, a woman gave birth and walks away with the baby right after. But for lots of women it’s not that easy of course and before modern hospitals, lots of women died giving childbirth so I’m not making light of it, only saying that for some a birth is not hard on the body once it’s over. I could see her being used to women having to act tough after births in the home of Walder Frey.

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    254. The Blood of Winterfull:
      “I killed my cousin”
      What does Jaimie mean?
      He didn’t kill anyone, did he?

      In S2 Jaime was in prison & he killed his cousin in a bid to escape Robb’s custody. It almost worked.

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    255. Josh L.,

      Yeah, I can see the wildlings explanation, but I am not ready to make that assumption because we dont know (show only peeps) that the Umbers REALLY hate the wildlings and that they are close to the wall and have their lands.

      but, I can see how the umbers who were loyal to the starks were massacred at the red wedding, and maybe the new lords are over the starks.

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    256. Pedro: Forget about it.
      Some people want to see exactly what they picture in their minds, but it’s never gonna happen like they want to.
      I find it pointless to argue with those fans, because nothing will ever satisfy them.

      Not just that … if it’s not exactly the way they pictured, they whine that D&D is betraying GRRM’s vision.

      If it’s exactly the way they pictured it, they whine that the show is so predictable and boring.

      The writers literally cannot win with those kinds of fans.

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    257. singedbylife,

      Same experience for me. It was stupid & annoying that the hospital made me stay for 2 days in that stupid little room. I could easily have walked home… Was my first kid too.

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    258. The Blood of Winterfull: “I killed my cousin”
      What does Jaimie mean?
      He didn’t kill anyone, did he?

      He killed one of his cousin when he tried to escape being Robb Stark’s prisoner (he also killed one of Lord Karstark’s sons in the prison break). He was recaptured, but the escape attempt riled up Lord Karstark and the Stark army to the point they were ready to murder him. That led to Cat Stark setting him free with Brienne.

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    259. Fantastic episode. I don’t think there was a scene that I wasn’t completely engrossed in. We might be past the books, but this episode proved that GoT episodes are still incredible.

      Positives
      I loved the flashback, and thought Cordelia was perfect our young Lyanna. She was exactly as I imagined how a young Lyanna would be. It was great to see a Stark Winterfell again, albeit bittersweet.

      The Jaime-high Sparrow scene was tense, enthralling, and wonderful. Jonathan Pryce is a fantastic actor and knocked it off the park alongside NCW. The lines were sizzling, and I simply didn’t want it to end.

      As Sue mentioned, it was great that they improved the look of the Children of the Forest, and they look a lot more mystical, and how I imagined them now. I’m sad to see Roose go, but it’s been coming for the last two seasons, so it was probably the time to do it so they can prepare for the showdown later this season.

      Negatives
      I did feel the writing in some parts was a little off, and needed a polish. It wasn’t entire scenes or anything, but some lines felt out of place. I don’t think Dave Hill is as good a writer as D&D or BCog, but there was still a lot of good there, so unless it was substantially rewritten I’d love to see him again next season.

      Moreover, I felt that the Balon death was not shot with enough light. Still, great to see Euron.

      Splendid episode 9/10.

      Addendum
      Managed to get through without mentioning Jon Snow. He’s back baby! Now there’s a twist I didn’t see coming… (I thought either this episode or the next would bs the right time for him to come back, so I’m happy; you can’t drag it out forever).

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    260. Oh god I’m so afraid of the “gift” that the Umber will give to Ramsey 🙁

      What will happen to Sansa once she gets to the Wall?
      I think she’ll stop Jon from taking “the black” again and ask him to help her to retake Winterfull and tell him that Arya and Bran and Rickon are alive and the only way to get them home is a battle that the whole Westros will sing about and they’ll hear the songs and the news about the Wolves and they’ll be back
      and maybe they will go to Bear Island after that

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    261. I kinda wish Ramsey knew Jon was dead tho before he comes back it would make Ramsey shocked to see him

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    262. Sean C.,

      Beyond the Wall – Basically Bran and Bloodraven both have shorter hair. Wouldn’t a reasonable thought be, they both got haircuts together?

      Wall – I think you watch the show on the assumption that the only things that actually happen happen on screen. Davos met Jon way back in episode 10 season 4 attempting to kill mance. He knows he Ned Stark’s bastard (the same Ned Stark that wanted Stannis as King), eventually becomes Lord Commander, and led and risked his life to protect the wall and kill the Mance. Right there Davos knows Jon is a good man. He has talked to other brothers and hears the stories and finds out who likes Jon and the character he is, he says as much when Davos sits and talks with Jon in season 5. Davos has been at the wall quite a bit besides his short stint with Stannis army. All I am saying is, I think you look at the relationship as only two scenes from season 5 when really it is something that has begun over the course of 13 episodes.

      Braavos – What was suppose to be accomplished was the Faceless men wanted her to become no one. She wasn’t getting that, so they blinded her to show her what can happen to her. This is her punishment for not letting go of Arya Stark and using the Faceless men to kill Trant. They are showing her their power if she does not listen. So she is learning. She doesn’t want to be blind so she tells them she is no one. Is she actually believing she is no one like she is in Fight Club or just telling believable lies to Jaquen so she isn’t blind anymore. You need to understand why she is blind – punishment – and why it progressed so quickly – Arya is learning.

      Kings Landing – the rest of KL was great. Clearly Cersei can’t get any revenge just yet because of Tommen – not publicly anyways. Which is why FrankenMountain killed in a back alley. You find out Tommen can’t handle the situation and basically gives Cersei the green light to handle it – the green light for violence. It is simple story progession. What was Cersei gonna do. just come out and start killing mofo’s? No, she can’t do that, she is still in the highest form of govt. But now she has the greenlight from the king himself. Now she can kill the Faith Mil without any repruccussions from the King.

      Meereen – Yes, they do seem controlled now. But still locked up because if they are freed and start eating people (because they have been fed people in past while down there and while free) then problems arise. Not like they can walk them out on a leash, Wun Wun is in the North not Meereen.

      Your nitpicking is borderline trolling, enjoy what you just watched. Way bigger holes in last weeks episode compared to this one. This Episode was simply for plot progression and they turned it into an amazing top 10 episode.

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    263. Im actually pretty shocked D&D gave such a huge episode to Dave Hill.

      I felt in places, it wasn’t as polished, but overall a spectacular episode.

      Would’ve liked to understand Davos’s motives a tiny bit more, but still… it worked

      9.5/10 IMO and joins my bracket of favorite episodes which are
      Baelor
      Fire and Blood
      Blackwater
      And Now His Watch is Ended
      Kissed by Fire
      Rains of Castamere
      Lion and the Rose
      Mountain and the Viper
      Watchers on the Wall
      The Children
      Hardhome
      Mother’s Mercy
      Home

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    264. I’m impressed with Isaac’s acting in this episode, also Theon’s sis Yara is great! Cannot wait to see everyone’s reaction to finding Jon just wandering around castle Black. And the looks on Alliser and Olly’s faces what a joyous moment 🙂 I do hope he’ll be wearing his loincloth, otherwise it’ll be a bit embarrassing for him lol.

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    265. Sword of the Morning,

      Isn’t it obvious how Wyllis became Hodor? BenJen hurt him (by accident or by young arrogance) once Brandon and Ned were gone being fostered. It tore BenJen up so bad he took the Black. BenJen will now save Hodor, Meera, and Bran he is the guy with the fire ball on a chain from the season trailers. THAT or Lyanna did it to Hodor and BenJen takes the fall. totally speculating though.

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    266. Dee,

      It looks that way. Umbers brought him Rickon most likely and Ramsay’s line from the trailer “do you like to play a game, little man?”

      I would expect as Wimsey said it here. Umbers to side with the Boltons after Jon is brought back, siding with some of Northern lords to restore Starks. Umbers and Wildlings are long term enemies. Karstarks are against Starks as previously on Game of Throns showed us, Robb beheaded Lord Rickard Karstark. The Manderlys are even more surprising.

      It’s shapping up to be the Boltons, the Manderlys,the Umbers and the Karstarks against Jon with Wildlings, some smaller houses if they can convince them. Vale might come into the picture later as Littlefinger is marching the North.

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    267. ygritte,

      I agree. Gemma Whelan’s acting as Yara is the only hope I see to keep ironborn plot from becoming Dornish. Much as book Asha helped that arc stay above water, so to speak.

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    268. Josh L.,

      I would expect them and the Mormonts to be with Starks. As two of the most known houses. So they can have some chance, otherwise it’s a suicide.

      About casting.

      It looks like Manderly’s role but it could be given to someone else. As that the Manderlys will be simply with the Boltons and someone else will take on Wyman’s role from the books, which could be one of the Mormont’s. Davos and Sansa certainly looks like to be standing in a very similiar room at Bear Island at least for Davos. Sansa is going to Castle Black. One big meeting is planned from spoiler we know with certain Northern lords.

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    269. Roose got exactly what he had coming. He was never the mastermind he thought he was. He didn’t orchestrate the Red Wedding. Tywin Lannister orchestrated the Red Wedding. Roose was just a trigger puller. After that, what did he do? Ramsay sacked Winterfell. Ramsay took back Moat Cailin. Ramsay rid the north of the Ironborn. Ramsay led the army that defeated Stannis. Ramsay has been the one traveling about keeping the other lords in line, winning over the Karstarks and apparently the Umbers. And the Bolton army that is there is mostly the men who were left with Ramsay at the Dreadfort when Roose went south.

      But by the same token, Ramsay is going to overestimate his position, too. Some of these houses he thinks are supporting him are going to turn. He’s not going to expect the man who cheated death and killed a white walker to be leading an army from beyond the wall with a giant and a sorceress by his side. He isn’t going to expect Sansa to return with the Knights of the Vale, the only army in westeros that has yet to be touched at all and is completely at full strength. He still has no idea that he and Roose were both being played by Littlefinger from the beginning. Ramsay will be dead by the end of the season, too.

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    270. Geralt of Rivia,

      The special feature on the DwD told us of dragon gamers who weren’t Targs. Also, Tyrion knows things and he said dragons are affectionate toward their friends.

      An unsullied asked me if this happens in the books and after explaining it I realized we really have two different stories now. In any case, we don’t know why the dragons killed Quentin. Doesn’t have to be because he isn’t a Targ.

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    271. Did anyone manage to tell the dragons apart? Just curious about which dragon the first one was – just because Tyrion seemed to have a bond with it over the other one and in the ‘Tyrion becomes a dragon rider’ theory, I imagine it would be that one. I haven’t rematched the episode yet, but if memory serves, the second one seemed more green, so I’m guessing was Rhaegal? So will Tyrion up riding Viserion? Would love to see him achieve his dream of ‘owning’ (as loosely as possible!) a dragon.

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    272. Icekhione,

      Definitely agree with this. I don’t think they ever made the point of remarking that Thoros was undead. I don’t think that term was ever used was it? Just that he had been brought back to life – ‘life’, not undead.

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    273. Connor,

      I hope so. But I doubt it. SmallJon has to be loyal to Bolton’s cause the Frey’s have the GreatJon. Also, word will get out that Jon let the Wildlings through. The Umbers hate the wildlings more than any other house. That will be the straw. It is prob real Rickon. Ramsay is going to amass a pretty good army with Umbers and Karstark’s on his side. Thinking Cerwyn’s and Mormont’s for sure with Jon/Sansa. hopefully Manderly’s, Hopefully Baelish shows up with the Vale.

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    274. Demon Monkey: An unsullied asked me if this happens in the books and after explaining it I realized we really have two different stories now. In any case, we don’t know why the dragons killed Quentin. Doesn’t have to be because he isn’t a Targ.

      Quentyn Martell had Targ blood (the Targs and Martells intermarried about a century before aSoIaF). So that isn’t the reason why he got fried by one of the dragons. He had actually tamed (or was about to tame) Viserion, and got bushwhacked by Rhaegal.

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    275. Can we all just take a moment and appreciate just how damn good Rhaegal and Viserion look? That $10 million an episode budget is getting put to great use! Also loving how much more screen time Ghost has gotten so far this season.

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    276. Che,

      You took the words out of my mouth…or keyboard. I always imagine Jon bonding with Rhaegal because, as theory alludes to, Rhaeger is Jon’s father and Rhaegal was named after Rhaegal, so therefore Tyrion would ride Viserion and when Tyrion said “But here you are” I kind of took that as a “I found my dragon” moment since it was Viserion he first unchained and told the story to.

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    277. I thought it was a great episode. The only question I have is; was it really great, or did I think it was great because there was no Dorne?

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    278. Mihnea,

      Certainly not everywhere. They weren’t doing that on Christian Europe, which is what GOT is loosely based on (the war of the roses).

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    279. Che:
      Did anyone manage to tell the dragons apart? Just curious about which dragon the first one was – just because Tyrion seemed to have a bond with it over the other one and in the ‘Tyrion becomes a dragon rider’ theory, I imagine it would be that one. I haven’t rematched the episode yet, but if memory serves, the second one seemed more green, so I’m guessing was Rhaegal? So will Tyrion up riding Viserion? Would love to see him achieve his dream of ‘owning’ (as loosely as possible!) a dragon.

      Probably Viserion? He’s described as a gold Dragon with “pools of Gold” for eyes, so you know, Lannister gold and all that…and yea, I know he doesn’t look exactly like that in the show, but D & D are obviously aware of the description.

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    280. Josh L.,

      Of course you’re right he has Targ blood in there somewhere. I was just making the point that it wasn’t why he was fried.

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    281. Who do you think will be this week’s Beautiful Death? Balon or Roose? My money’s on Roose.

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    282. Kit just told in an interview on EW that this is the ” biggest season for Jon so far” & he spent more days on set than any other actor.
      So not only is Jon back, he is ready to raise hell!

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    283. Demon Monkey,

      As I said. I’m quite a history nerd and this week I was reading about the Ottoman empire.

      I liked the parallels and thought it fitted Ramsey’s situation. He needed to get rid of any rivals to his position and remove any doubt as to who is Lord Bolton.

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    284. Demon Monkey: Certainly not everywhere. They weren’t doing that on Christian Europe, which is what GOT is loosely based on (the war of the roses).

      I can handwave a lot of stuff away, as long as there’s enough material in the story to support it (ie; how did the Sand Snakes end up on Trystane’s ship? Easy, they took a faster ship and they already knew Trystane was going to KL). But yeah, the whole “eh, new lords killed their brothers all the time” excuse doesn’t wash with me either. There’s no evidence of that being commonplace in Westeros (otherwise a lot of characters, such as Kevan Lannister or Benjen Stark wouldn’t even be here).

      I’m just going to chalk up Lord Karstark’s nonplus as 1) He was already in on the plan to kill Roose Bolton, 2) He was already aware of Ramsay’s unstable reputation, and 3) He didn’t want to piss off this clearly unstable young man, so he’ll go ahead with Ramsay’s plot … for now.

      As for the reactions of the Bolton army … well, their sigil is the Frayed Man, for the old gods’ sake, so I’m certain they’re probably used to this kind of shenanigans going on with the Boltons. I’m pretty sure the Boltons rule more out of fear than out of loyalty. So whenever a lord goes down, especially at the hands of his son, they probably figure “eh, meet the new lord, same as the old lord.”

      And I figured the “He was poisoned” line was less for the people within Winterfell (who clearly can see that isn’t the case) and more for their allies in the North (such as House Umber, House Manderly, House Frey, etc.) What are they going to do? Come and investigate? By that time, the bodies will be long gone. They’d just accept Ramsay Bolton’s words and move on. And the denizens of Winterfell would be too terrified of Ramsay to say otherwise.

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    285. Lavignac,

      I agree, Euron’s speech did nothing for me in this otherwise excellent show… Way to campy. At least there’s no eyepatch!!

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    286. Little child in the forest said Meera will be needed!! To deliver the message to Jon of his identity after this ToJ flashback!! AHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

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    287. Anyone else remember “only death may pay for life?” One of the last things we saw was ghost…perhaps a sacrifice was the final ingredient needed? I’m worried they will find UnJon with a wolf mysteriously dead at his feet…

      And it seems politically asperational familicide is all the rage in Westeros, with three kingdoms changing power this way recently. Hopefully one of Walder Frey’s kids is inspired…

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    288. dragonbringer,

      I think the idea of prophecy being fulfilled a certain way is only stories past down after generation after generation. For example – one of the prophecy’s is a dragon will rise from the wall. Many believe that there is a frozen dragon in the wall. once, the wall crumbles this dragon will be released. What actually would take place to fulfill that prophecy is dead Jon Snow resureccting at the wall because he is actually Rhaegar and Lyanna’s kid. Making him a dragon and he would be rising at the wall. See the realism in fulfilling that prophecy. Prophecy is taken as too magical and/or fantasy at times. When really you need to look at the most realistic way to fulfill a prophecy. My whole point is. The whole salt and smoke thing could have some meaning – or it simply could be crap made up or exaggerating over generations of story telling in Westeros. To actually believe that smoke will come out of one’s body when killed and brought back to life is to fantasy.

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    289. El-Bobbie:
      I wonder what this means for a lot of theories out there. Tyrion Targ theory, for one. But Jon = AA is another affected. There was no smoke, no salt, no rising out of the flames, no bleeding star.

      Not so fast…Long Claw is predominant in the first Jon Snow scene with Edd, Davos and Tormond. Notice that Davos never puts it down an it’s specially lit, there’s more to come.

      I really think they’re going to shore up that Jon is AA.

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    290. Josh L.: Not at all.In the books, the Manderlys are with the Freys and Boltons at the beginning.It isn’t until Lord “Too-Fat-To-Sit-A-Horse” secures the return of his son (who survived the Red Wedding massacre) when he finally unveils his plan to Davos (“The north remembers, and the mummer’s farce is almost done”).

      Besides, if you’ve seen the casting calls, you’d know that

      In the books every the Manderlys are pretending to be against the Starks until Lord Manderly’s speech makes it clear that it’s a “mummer’s farce” and they are with the Starks…I think the Manderly name-drop here and the casting of the “fat Lord” with the “stirring speech” makes it quite likely that the show will do the same thing…except that the speech will probably be delivered to Sansa and/or Jon and not Davos, as in the books.

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    291. Mihnea:
      Josh L.,

      Karstark was on it, they confirm it in the ”inside episode”.

      D&D themselves say it.

      I had no problem with that whatsoever, the Karstarks don’t really give a frak about the Boltons, and certainly will not shed a single tear for the death of Roose, who wasn’t winning any popularity contests in the North since the Red Wedding…

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    292. Bill,

      True, I hadn’t made the connection between Rhaegal and Jon with the Rhaegar connection, but that makes total sense!

      George,

      Whenever I read the descriptions of Viserion in the books, I always feel reminded of Tyrion’s Lannister gold connection. Would be cool if it panned out. I’m just picturing Cercei’s face when Tyrion rides in on a dragon! Amazing!

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    293. My god, I loved this episode so much – and I’m not even a Jon fan. I am hopeful Jon 2.0 has a bit more spice to his personality, though.
      I’m finding myself really enjoying Mel as a character recently. Also, very happy they’ve redesigned the children of the forest (continuity be damned when it’s a definite improvement)

      And it’s crazy how excited I am about the flashbacks. ToJ will be the end of me.
      GoT hype!

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    294. Stargaryen,

      I think it could be Lyanna. She is the one to bring up the need for a new sparring partner and the way Bloodraven looks after Bran mentions his father never talking about her makes me feel there is something tragic with her in context with the scene they’re watching.

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    295. I guess I’m in the minority, but I found that episode rather weak. It was still enjoyable, but I found it rather predictable and lightweight.

      Bran’s vision was too am-dram and suffered from Bran having to spell out who everybody was. The member of the Children of the Forest looks like an extra from Farscape and sticks out like a sore thumb. The one in the final episode of season 4 was far more believable.

      The aftermath of Ramsay killing Roose had a chill running down my spine, but I thought it was painfully obvious that it was going to happen. I’m sure it was meant to reflect Roose’s betrayal of Robb, but I think it could’ve been handled better. And obviously it’s a huge disappointment to lose Roose / Michael McElhatton so early in the season. The producers obviously have a thing for Ramsay, but I think Roose was a far better antagonist. And I think the Starks’ / the North’s revenge has really lost some of its edge now that there’s only Ramsay left.

      The scenes at the Iron Islands were hit and miss. Balon vs Euron was okay, but I could’ve done with a proper struggle before Balon went overboard.

      And I have absolutely no idea why Yara is supposed to believe that he was murdered. What evidence is there for that? Sure, she could suspect foul play and perhaps suspect Euron when he conveniently turns up soon after. But they just telegraphed this need for conflict between Euron and Yara/Theon, when they could’ve played it more subtly. Her conversation with the Drowned God priest was also rather laboured.

      Arya fighting the Waif again was surely unnecessary, and I’m seriously losing patience with Arya’s whole arc right now.

      I wish they’d dropped Arya’s scene and spent longer on Brienne, Sansa and Theon’s conversations, which I thought were rushed. And I don’t think we really needed the second laboured reference to the episode title from Theon either.

      Tyrion is still making c*ck jokes, which really aren’t necessary.

      And Tommen is insufferably whiny.

      There were a few good parts. The scene between Jaime and the High Sparrow was good.

      Tyrion’s release of the dragons was tense, yet still managed some humorous moments.

      The assault on Castle Black was good; although the moment they started battering down the chamber door I was just waiting for the sound of Wun Wun battering down the Castle Black gate to arrive. That sort of predictability is exactly what I thought let this episode down.

      Anyway, I’ve saved the weakest element for last. In my opinion, I thought Jon Snow’s resurrection was really weak.

      First of all, the old close up of the face before opening eyes and gasping for breath is beyond cliche now. I thought they could’ve handled the reveal moment far more subtly.

      I’m not sure what it is about Jon Snow that we’re meant to believe has suddenly made Davos such a fan of blood magic. If he’s looking for somebody to replace Stannis, or to help him get revenge for Shireen/Stannis’s deaths, then they could’ve offered some hint at his inner turmoil.

      Personally, I really expected to see Jon Snow resurrected on a pyre, in front of all the Wildlings and Night’s Watch brothers, combining the whole Targaryen angle, the Lord of Light, Azor Ahai and Jon’s warging powers.

      I think that could’ve been a far greater spectacle, and it would’ve given all of those who are likely to fight for him a real reason to believe in his leadership, a la Jorah and the Dothraki committing themselves to Daenerys after her re-birth in the flames. And it could’ve been the moment that Melisandre really regained her faith in the Lord of Light.

      As it stands, his resurrection is wholly attributed to Melisandre and the Lord of Light (although the viewer knows there was perhaps a bit of warging involved) and nobody witnessed it. So I think a lot of its power to influence the story and characters was lost.

      All in all, I found it a rather disappointing follow-up to a strong opening to the season last week.

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    296. ghost of winterfell,

      See I don’t think he will breaking out of his vows. Davos told him for the Night’s Watch to be successful they need great support from the North. That means working with the Bolton’s or getting rid of them. Sansa is the one people will be rallying around to lead after the battle, Jon is just the commander. He needs the north united to face the walkers. it isn’t about him being a Stark or Snow, or Targaryen. It is about him uniting the north so they can fight back against the walkers. I am pretty sure Jon’s plans are to stay at the wall once the north is good and the walkers are dead. Whether the wall comes down or not. He is not doing this to take control of the North. He is doing it to get Sansa in control of the north so he can have a unified region to fight the walkers. Winterfell is Sansa’s.

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    297. George: In the books every the Manderlys are pretending to be against the Starks until Lord Manderly’s speech makes it clear that it’s a “mummer’s farce” and they are with the Starks…I think the Manderly name-drop here and the casting of the “fat Lord” with the “stirring speech” makes it quite likely that the show will do the same thing…except that the speech will probably be delivered to Sansa and/or Jon and not Davos, as in the books.

      Yeah, that was my point. I was responding to a poster who claimed that the Boltons saying House Manderly was on their side was a deviation from the books. I was pointing out that in the books, the Boltons/Freys thought that Manderly was on their side as well, but the Manderlys were really performing a “mummer’s farce.” The same is likely true on the show as well. So aside from a few cosmetic changes (speech likely to Sansa instead of to Davos), there is no deviation from the books.

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    298. After re-watching the episode, a few things are starting to bug. Not with the episode, which I enjoyed. Mel and Davos AGAIN owned the episode.

      What is hanging in the air for me, am I the only one who feels bad for Olly? Not that the kid isn’t a little shit but this is a child who saw his whole family slaughtered, then the people responsible are welcomed into the first safe place he has found. Of course, the Wildlings at the wall might not be the exact people who played part in destroying his village but I kind of understand his anger and resentment. He feels betrayed and obviously has gone of the deep end. His anger is fueled by Thorne and company but it’s not without reason. I just feel bad for the kid and there aren’t many people I feel bad for in this show.
      Well…Walda and baby Bolton. Ugh. Ramsey needs to die. Not a lick of sympathy for him.
      Look forward to Arya and the Waif training next week. Maisie Williams commits hard, so I hope the fighting is as cool as it is in the previews.

      As much as I loved the flashback, Lyanna left no impression on me. R/L has always left me cold because I think they were both selfish idiots but baby Ned and baby Benjen sparing was fantastic. And Hodor!

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    299. LatrineDiggerBrian: Oh that’s great, now they’re representing responses to the fans whining through characters. They would’ve had to tbh, because Davos motivations make no fucking sense whatsoever.

      You are just annoying – Jesus, will you please just go away and allow the rest of us to enjoy communicating with each other. Some of us hate it, some of us love it – that’s life.

      No one says you have to love the episode, the writing, the acting, etc, etc, etc. No one even says you shouldn’t voice your opinion here, but please for the love of God….STOP.

      Your like a petulant child having a temper tantrum. We get it, you are not enjoying the season at all…blah, blah, blah, now go away.

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    300. LatrineDiggerBrian,

      Calm down – only seen him for 3 minutes. I don’t think the eyepatch is going to be in the shows. Mainly because previous trailers have shown Euron and he has the cut but not eye patch.

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    301. Ramsay's 20th Good Man,

      I don’t think that the power of Jon’s resurrection is going to somehow be negated by the fact that no one witnessed it. In fact, this might make it even more mythical and mysterious to those who didn’t know about Mel’s efforts. Nothing will detract from he power that will be his returning from the dead.

      And as for your point about him coming back to life in the pyre as a nod to his Targ heritage, I have to whole-heartedly disagree. I’ve never understood why people thought that would happen. Nowhere in the books or the show does anyone ever recall a Targaryan being brought back from the dead through fire. That story about Aerys believing he would be reborn involved him going into the fire alive and being transformed into a dragon. That is very different to someone being ressurected through fire. I feel that this form of resurrection is more indicative of him having links to (or even being) AA, as it was purely through the Red God’s will that he has returned and AA is the champion of the red God in the war against the others. I really don’t think that the show runners have changed the method that Jon will return in the books. Such an important plot point will have been laid it by GRRM and I can’t imagine them changing it. As you say, it would have been more cinematic and a beautiful scene had he been reborn through fire, so given the choice, I’m sure D&D would have gone for that option. However, the very fact that they didn’t suggests to me that this is the way GRRM intends it to happen.

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    302. Ramsay's 20th Good Man: Personally, I really expected to see Jon Snow resurrected on a pyre, in front of all the Wildlings and Night’s Watch brothers, combining the whole Targaryen angle, the Lord of Light, Azor Ahai and Jon’s warging powers.

      Everybody who was expecting Jon Snow to be resurrected on a pyre was barking up the wrong tree.

      Targaryens can and do burn. Viserys was killed by molten gold. Aemon’s body was cremated. And in the books, at least one Targaryen king died when he drank wildfire, and I believe “Egg” died via fire as well.

      Danys’s walk through Drogo’s funeral pyre was an one-time thing, and was unique to that specific situation (with the appropriate three sacrifices — Drogo, Rhaego, and Mirri for the three eggs). And if Danys is indeed fire-proof, it’s something that’s unique to her and her only, not to all Targaryens.

      Also, we’ve seen that Jon Snow can be burnt, as he burned his hand in a flaming curtain when fighting off that wight in Lord Commander Mormont’s office in S1.

      My speculation was that they would set up the funeral pyre, and that Jon Snow would be resurrected right before they laid his body on the pyre (or that Mel would glamour another body to look like Jon Snow’s body, place that on the pyre, while storing Jon Snow’s body in the ice cells). I thought that the words “And now his watch is ended” would be uttered over Snow’s dead body (thereby formally ending his oath to the Night’s Watch), but I was wrong about that.

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    303. kells,

      Haha, you are on the money concerning Olly. Also felt bad for him, just a kid who doesn’t have a lot of luck and the choices he makes simply come at the wrong time. Of course, this is intentional, they even make him try to kill Tormund (who led the raid against his village). The reason why Alliser/Olly are still alive is probably to show us how the new Jon deals with betrayal (concerning his execution of Slynt when he was still a nice, noble man, I suppose they will die pretty soon).

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