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Diana Rigg on her Game of Thrones life; Kit Harington finds a new gig

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Dame Diana Rigg has a delightfully frank new interview with the AV Club, looking back at her legendary and lengthy career. She talks about Game of Thrones a good bit, of course. Rigg declines to confirm whether or not she’ll be back for season 6, and admits she hadn’t seen any scripts at the time of the interview.

A few of her GoT co-stars were familiar faces:

It’s wonderful working with them, because quite a lot of them I’ve worked with before. Charles Dance I’ve worked with before, Julian Glover I’ve worked with before. In the theatre. You pick up the threads with them again after many years. And it’s lovely that, for the most part, there are a lot of English actors. Mind you, I think we pitch up. We know our lines. We don’t demand sixty-foot Winnebagos. And we’re grateful.

On working with Thrones director Michelle MacLaren:

Yeah, she was great. I love being directed. You know, people think when you’re established that you come on with all guns blazing and you’re not open. But I love being directed. Because it’s another thought, it’s another fresh idea. You’re so grateful for an original idea that you haven’t had.

One of the major differences between television and movies is that Game of Thrones is recorded on tape, as opposed to film. Rigg compares the two:

There’s not quite that heightened sense. The kids, the younglings, know that if they’re playing a scene and they forget their lines, they just pause. Nobody cuts anything. They just pause and speak again. If you’re on film, that’s undreamt of. It’s very definitely different.

GOT510_120214_HS__DSC2619[1]The actress looks back at some of her memorable Shakespeare roles, being Mrs. Bond, the Avengers, and more in the complete interview which is a must-read!

 

For those wondering what Kit Harington will be up to with Jon Snow getting Caesared in the finale, the actor has just been cast in the thriller Brimstone.

He’s stepping in for Robert Pattinson. Filming had already begun on the movie when Harington and Dakota Fanning replaced previous stars Pattinson and Mia Wasikowska.

For fans wondering if this means a return to Game of Thrones is impossible in season 6 (shooting starts this summer), the answer to that is no. Brimstone is already filming, and Game of Thrones doesn’t start shooting at all until late in July. Particularly, Night’s Watch scenes often are filmed later in the fall. Also, Carice van Houten is co-starring in Brimstone, and it isn’t keeping her out of GoT season 6.

The only thing keeping Harington out of Game of Thrones season 6 would be if the writers actually killed him off permanently, with no resurrection on the horizon. And whether that’s a real possibility will be hotly debated by fans until we know for sure what’s happening.

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Susan Miller, Editor in Chief of WatchersOnTheWall.com

167 Comments

  1. Hodor!

    Dianna Rigg is a class act. Her thoughts on the craft of acting are spot on. ACTORS NEED DIRECTION. Even the best.

    Avclub written reviews of the show are pretty good, too! Thoughtful analysis. McNutt had some odd thoughts on the finale, but otherwise I LOVE his stuff. Always have. McNutt gonna McNutt.

  2. You know what,i just have this to say to the fanboys,which ironically i am one myself as you can tell by my namesake,but what if maybe,just maybe,Jon is actually really dead and he’s not going to come back in any way . Yes i know people will jump at me saying it makes no sense in the story because his parentage hasn’t been revealed yet and yada,yada,yada,but isn’t that the point of this series to break expectations ? Just because you believed Jon was supposed to be this major hero who is going to save everybody,doesn’t mean that’s what is actually going to happen,now don’t get me wrong i will be upset if Jon dies as he is my fav character but i can still appreciate the story for nd what it is and continue through the end,because in the end the overall end game is the most important .

  4. As I said in another post, until Kit gets a haircut I’m sure he’ll be back for season 6.

  7. JonSnow25,

    He will definitely get resurrected. But it won’t be cliche “Jon comes back and saves the day” story.
    He may save the day in the end but it will be DARK.

  8. James Rivers,

    This reminds me when some people thought that Michelle Fairley starring on that show Ressurection meant that it’s a clue she will come back on the show,lol some people in this fandom are legit crazy .

  9. Huzzah Ms. Peel! Lovely to see a new interview with such a legend. 🙂

    If filming something else kept actors away from GoT, there would be no one left. Many have filmed multiple movies and series as well as GoT (Iain Glen is lead in a 6-part series that just finished filming, along with Jack Taylor, Downton Abbey, Prisoner’s Wives, etc etc etc). Emilia’s all over the place and I think may still be filming her new one with Sam Claflin. Nicolaj and Micheal Huisman, Carice, Natalie and Gwen. And on and on it spins. LOL.

  10. Diana Rigg was amazing as Tracy in “On Her Majesty’s Secret Service,” and the similarities between her and Natalie Dormer are striking.

  14. JonSnow25,

    It’s not just that it’d be unexpected, it makes other decisions kinda questionable- why have Mel visit Beric and Thoros? Why have her arrive at the Wall literally right before? I’ve always thought leaving out LS was because they didn’t want to cheapen things by doing it twice. And of course, the parents.

  16. Rafael:
    JonSnow25,

    He will definitely get resurrected. But it won’t be cliche “Jon comes back and saves the day” story.
    He may save the day in the end but it will be STARK.

    Fixed

  17. Daeron,

    Berric’s resurrections in season 3 will become the most retarded and unnecessary thing ever if Mel doesn’t at least try to resurrect Jon. The show cut LS, but made Mel visit the BWB. So this upcoming resurrection will justify their inclusion in season 3. And hopefully they’ll show up again, too.

  20. What a fantastic interview with Dame Rigg. The one drawback is now I’m going to have to seek out the version of Midsummer she discussed. I can’t help it. I have to see Rigg and Mirren as Helena and Hermia, not to mention Dench as Titania. Oh well, if I’m going to watch Midsummer for the millionth time, at least it’s a version by the RSC!

  22. #Stannislives!

    If Jon Snow is all dead (vs mostly dead) with nothing coming from his secret heritage, it strays from “breaking tropes” to bad storytelling. It would be like Darth Vader killing Luke Skywalker at the end of Empire. Sure it would be more gritty and realistic, but would make for a helluva bad ending.

  23. Rafael,

    I agree with this. He might have to do something extreme to save the day, like Azor Ahai did. It might even make people hate Jon and regret they championed his resurrection so much.

    One thing is for sure: something is going to change when Jon comes back. Like I said in the Curtain Call, it would be pointless for him to die in the first place if nothing changes after his resurrection.

  27. SW,

    “Forever Alone” meme in 3…2…1…. 😉

    Seriously guys….I wouldn’t doubt it if he shaved his head to freak everyone out. Then it turns out to be a bald cap.

  29. ENOUGH THE FLIPPING HAIR!!!!!

    There are wigs. Also, if the Night’s Watch burn him and he walks out of the fire, then you can shave his head and make it fit in the story.

    Shut up about the hair. The hair is nothing. The hair is like a condom to Varys. It means nothing.

  31. Deesensfan,

    Come at once. Help us. Save us. We need you as we have never needed you before. We love you, we love you, we love you. Come at once.

    …and of course he will come back, don’t worry about that! He always comes back ;D

  32. Not sure if I mentioned this before but Hannibal has been cancelled so the Mads Mikkleson for Euron crew will be pushing. Thing is, I think he’s still got to finish filming the last season so Ithink he’s still ruled out. I don’t think he’s the right fit anyway.

  34. Couldn’t they have already filmed some scenes with Jon Snow (that take place after he’s dead) that would be enough for season 6? That way no one is lying about he’s not coming back, etc. Just asking.

  38. Mmm, did this post morph into another Jon Snow post? Interesting….

    Anyway I loved this interview – Esp loved the bit with David Radcliffe! I remember watching The Avengers as a kid; would have loved seeing her perform on stage. Wonder if I can find some online…..She is a classic, and along with Judi Dench and Maggie Smith, my favorite English actress.

  39. WorfWWorfington,

    First of all, Kit’s hair is extremely important and always was. Don’t you deny it.

    Now, onto your post… Not really, since Kit emphasized it as something he’ll really love to get rid of the moment he’s done with GOT. Since he was actually under a contract to keep it. And he didn’t get a haircut, which IMO is a solid piece of evidence that he isn’t done filming.

    Even if he cut his hair, there’s still the option that the same happens to the character or that Kit could wear a wig (though I doubt it, the hair is part of his contract for a reason). And I honestly don’t think Kit’s hair is the subject of D&D’s mastermind plan to fool people on the internet that he is or isn’t going to be in season 6. If he would have been dead for good, he wouldn’t have kept the hair.

  41. jentario,

    When did I suggest Viggo?! Don’t think he’d do it anyway. He’s too much of a “star” for a secondary character on a TV show.

    Neither of them seem to be intimidating or rough enough for my own personal take on the character. Gary Stretch and James Callis would be my other two picks. Both are big longshots though I imagine!

  43. I don’t know, this reminds me of old Harry Potter fandom arguments. It seems logical that x will happen but it doesn’t. It seems logical Jon/Kit will come back but we can’t be sure. Mel could have gone back to Castle Black just because it was the nearest, safest place she knew of. She visited the BWB to pick up Gendry and maybe meeting Arya was important. Maybe Kit now likes his hair style! I’m trying not to get my hopes up because GOT wouldn’t be the same without Jon or another actor playing him.

  47. Ms. Rigg is a delight to read LOL

    Is he still alive? well then (let me tell you about him)…

  49. Brimstone’s cast also includes Paul Anderson (Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows), Jack Roth (The Great Train Robbery), Carla Juri (Wetlands), and Harington’s Thrones co-star Carice van Houten. Principal photography on the film recently got under way in Europe.

    So I guess it is safe to say this will in no way conflict with GoT shooting since the red lady is also cast in it.

  53. JonSnow25:
    James Rivers,

    This reminds me when some people thought that Michelle Fairley starring on that show Ressurection meant that it’s a clue she will come back on the show,lol some people in this fandom are legit crazy .

    First, since this thread is dedicated to her, props to Dame Diana Rigg – a regal lady at any age. The whole interview is worth the read if you are at all interested in the craft of acting or a bit of dish on some costars from her earlier acting career. Yes, Diana, they do give you some amazing lines on GoT, and you make the amazing use of them too. Even your slightest glance or groan of annoyance can convey volumes. I was sure you were going to be able to get Marge and Loras out of jail right away. Can’t wait to see what they plan for you next year.

    Now, JonSnow25, about some of us being legit crazy: I was one of those who thought that Michelle Fairley’s part on Resurrection meant she was prepping for return to GoT as LS. She had played a doting mother, a harmless housewife basically, now she was playing a terrorist. She was scary crazy in that part – that’s meant in a good way. Yeah, I totally accepted her as a vengeful plotting murderer. And isn’t that what LS would have been?

    So, let’s have it – are you gonna be one of the legit crazies along with us? at least occasionally?

  54. As sad as it would be if JS is really dead, it would be kinda nice to develop and give more time to the greyer and frankly better characters.

  56. ash,

    Hahaa I know I was thinking that also… that’s gonna happen for the next ten months……. lol!!!
    We need a Jon Snow thread that keeps running till season 6.

  57. I’m becoming increasingly convined that there will be two Jon Snows for a while. My reasoning is that when GRRM mentioned that Lady Stoneheart as a character helps to impress upon the reader that whomever came back wasn’t Catelyn so when Jon is resurrected by Mel he won’t be Jon. Then of course true Jon will be in Ghost ripping it up north of the wall as a direwolf because I suspect someone will let Ghost out or he will escape leading to a mission north of the wall to find Ghost and reunite the two. For a time though, I believe we will only see Jon trough other POV’S until we find out who or what is really inhabiting him. Anyway, just wondering if anyone else thinks this may be the case.

  58. Maester Feelgood,

    Hmmmm. Don’t think so. Beric Dondarrion stated that every time he came back to life, he felt less, but he was still himself and not a completely different person. I think Jon will come back via Mel and we’ll still recognize him, but there will be a difference. He might become more impulsive in a less honourable way.

  59. MaesterofMasonry,

    Lady Stoneheart is not Cateyln. I’ve tried to set it up beforehand with Beric Dondarrion and his repeated [resurrections]. There’s a brief appearance by Beric in Book One and he rides into the city and he’s this flamboyant Southern knight. That’s not that man we meet later on. –GRRM, http://www.ew.com/article/2015/05/31/game-thrones-lady-stoneheart

    George says that post-resurrection Beric is “not that man” he was pre-resurrection, so that should be fairly different.

  60. Robb Snow: He might have to do something extreme to save the day, like Azor Ahai did. It might even make people hate Jon and regret they championed his resurrection so much. , it would be pointless for him to die in the first place if nothing changes after his resurrection.

    I will LOL if death changes Jon and he is less gracious and forgiving than in life and is consumed with a desire for vengeance on anyone he thinks betrayed him and his brother, Robb. If he hangs any men associated with the Freys, Boltons, or Lannisters, even if they had nothing to do with the “Red Wedding” or if they are boys, I will still LOL. Even if his appearance has been altered as well, with his flesh becoming hard and the color of curdled milk due to his corpse being frozen for days with half his hair gone and the rest white and brittle. Even if his wounds have not healed with his face covered in scratch marks.

  62. WorfWWorfington:
    ENOUGH THE FLIPPING HAIR!!!!!

    There are wigs. Also, if the Night’s Watch burn him and he walks out of the fire, then you can shave his head and make it fit in the story.

    Shut up about the hair. The hair is nothing. The hair is like a condom to Varys. It means nothing.

    Yes! I agree, let’s keep talking about HAIR!

    You know, another thing about his hair, I was just thinking about his hair and didn’t he and his hair do an interview with a long haired woman where he and his hair said he was kind of perturbed about having to keep his hair long? I would think if he and his hair were for sure done with GoT he would have cut his hair short by now. Therefore, according to sources (me, who has short hair), it is 100% confirmed he and his hair will be back.

    Also, have you heard the story about the turtle and the hare …

  64. I thought about the Beric having bits of his memories angle being a point against resurrected Jon being someone else. The only explanation I can offer is that when you inhabit someone your bound to have some of their memories. When a warg inhabits an animal their minds become joined, each is changed by the other. I’m sure I could dig for proof but as I understood it Bran experiences Summers memories. There’s also Coldhands who seemed confused about exactly what he was when Bran and Co asked him. Perhaps as time goes by so does who you were, like the way the man’s individuality fades during his second life and becomes only said creature. Also, Beric supposedly passed on his immortality I’m resurrecting UnCat, which suggests to me it was some entity or spirit or whatever that’s no longer animating him. You also have when Ayra received the ugly girls face she also receives memories of her past abuses. Though warging and the faceless men are different sorts of magic it seems like a bit of a theme amongst his magical creations. It also seems possible that Beric, Coldhands and UnCat aren’t even aware that they aren’t fully themselves. This all seems to be a theme amongst George’s literary creations.

  65. I found a very interesting article by RadioTimes

    “Why Kit Harington’s new film role [in Brimstone] is clearly a Game of Thrones conspiracy”

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-06-25/why-kit-haringtons-new-film-role-is-clearly-a-game-of-thrones-conspiracy

    In yet another news article we can read:

    “Variety reports that Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning have taken the roles previously assigned to Pattinson and Wasikowska. Martin Koolhoven is directing the movie — which also features Carice Van Houten and “Wetlands” star Carla Juri — that follows Liz, a young woman on the run from her past and a deadly man known as The Preacher. Harington will play an outlaw.” –

    Strange that the previous leads have all of a sudden both resigned to make room for Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning.

    “While there’s no reason given for the exits of Pattinson and Wasikowska, it probably comes down to scheduling…”

    Other news articles indicate that “Brimstone” is a supernatural thriller, so anything could happen” – INTERESTING COVER-UP FOR ALL SUPERNATURAL THINGS LIKE RESURECTION FOR EXAMPLE

  66. And Brimston’s synopsis on imdb is beyond ridiculous:

    “A triumphant epic of survival and a tale of powerful womanhood and resistance against the unforgiving cruelty of a hell on earth. Our heroine is Liz (Dakota Fanning), carved from the beautiful wilderness, full of heart and grit, hunted by a vengeful Preacher (Guy Pearce) – a diabolical zealot and her twisted nemesis. But Liz is a genuine survivor; she’s no victim – a woman of fearsome strength who responds with astonishing bravery to claim the better life she and her daughter deserve. Fear not. Retribution is coming.”

    Do you really think that Kit Harington who has sworn never to star in any fantasy-related films (after Pompeii and his another fantasy film, I forgot the title) and “step into the 21st century” would seriously consider joining this film??????

    THIS IS ALL A COVER-UP FOR GOT 6

  68. Dakota Fanning is a real actor, why would she (and the other members of the cast) pretend they’re in a fake movie?

  70. Kam: Unless she has been cast in GOT.

    And who would she play? And since she’s a famous actor, why is she in a “fake movie” and not in the real TV show to help promote it next year?

  72. Kam:
    I found a very interesting article by RadioTimes

    “Why Kit Harington’s new film role [in Brimstone] is clearly a Game of Thrones conspiracy”

    http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-06-25/why-kit-haringtons-new-film-role-is-clearly-a-game-of-thrones-conspiracy

    In yet another news article we can read:

    “Variety reports that Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning have taken the roles previously assigned to Pattinson and Wasikowska. Martin Koolhoven is directing the movie — which also features Carice Van Houten and “Wetlands” star Carla Juri — that follows Liz, a young woman on the run from her past and a deadly man known as The Preacher. Harington will play an outlaw.” –

    Strange that the previous leads have all of a sudden both resigned to make room for Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning.

    “While there’s no reason given for the exits of Pattinson and Wasikowska, it probably comes down to scheduling…”

    Other news articles indicate that “Brimstone” is a supernatural thriller, so anything could happen” – INTERESTING COVER-UP FOR ALL SUPERNATURAL THINGS LIKE RESURECTION FOR EXAMPLE

    Dakota Fanning = Val

    #gethype!

  73. Deesensfan:
    Carice Van Houten’s twitter has some brimstone related tweets
    Seems real to me

    https://twitter.com/caricevhouten

    Martin Koolhoven is a real person and he’s been talking about directing the movie for a few months now. It’s the same for the two (real) production companies New Sparta Films and N279 Entertainment. And there’s also a BrimstoneMovie account on Twitter since February. No way it’s fake.

  75. Moka,

    I think, this is not a “fake” movie she is acting in, but GOT season 6 scenes. She has been cast in GOT, but this casting, for obvious reasons, must be kept secret. Besides some scenes for this movie are shot in Spain (among others) – exactly where HBO is filming season 6.

  77. Kam: I think, this is not a “fake” movie she is acting in, but GOT season 6 scenes. She has been cast in GOT, but this casting, for obvious reasons, must be kept secret. Besides some scenes for this movie are shot in Spain (among others) – exactly where HBO is filming season 6.

    Spain is the set of Dorne, not the North. Can you imagine fake snow in Spain? And once again, Fanning is a famous actor, she would be announced as joining the Game of Thrones cast, there’s no reason to join a fake movie to cover her presence.

    Kam: The lenghts they are ready to go with this are impressive, but I think the greaterst plot twist in television history deserves some effort.

    And you think they would hire Robert Pattinson, Mia Wasikowska, Guy Pearce, a dutch director and two independent production companies just to cover a twist in a tv show?

  79. Moka,

    It’s not fake, it’s a cover-up. They are doing the real thing, but under a “false name”. Besides, it’s rather suspicious that Robert Pattinson and Mia Wasikowska both resigned all of a sudden. One of these film production companies has just been established (maybe specifically for the purpose) and the other is from 2013.

    I know that it sounds rather ridiculous, but just think: what if it is indeed the largest cover-up in television history (or in filming history) – sorry for my English, I’m from Poland. Besides Spain is only one of filming locations (next to Germany and Netherlands it seems), and how can you say where Jon Snow will travel in Winds of Winter? Maybe to some warmer countries. Besides doing fake winter was already practiced on thrones many times, for example Sam and Kit Scenes on the top of the wall where they are talking for the first time – they were sweating under their furs, because it was so hot.

    “And once again, Fanning is a famous actor, she would be announced as joining the Game of Thrones cast, there’s no reason to join a fake movie to cover her presence.”

    And isn’t Kit Harington also a famous actor whose involvement in the next season is very likely to be kept secret. How would the other actors carreer suffer for having to be “silent or misleading” for a while about their current project, just to announce later that they are proud to be part of GOT Season 6?

    “And you think they would hire Robert Pattinson, Mia Wasikowska, Guy Pearce, a dutch director and two independent production companies just to cover a twist in a tv show?”

    Why do you assume they’ve been hired for nothing? They may be doing the real work at the film set (they might have been hired as real actors – how can you tell – we don’t know any of Jon Snow story post his backstabbing), just under “a misleading” name. I would be honoured to star in GOT, even if that meant that I couldn’t brag about it for while (pretend that I’m doing a different movie).

    But just think for a while, what if I AM right?

  80. Kam,

    Sorry but that doesn’t make sense. Spain is for Dorne, not Jon’s storyline. Even if he goes there in season 6, they would need to shoot his scenes at Castleblack, and that set is in Ireland, not Spain. And he won’t go in Dorne, he will have to deal with Mel, Davos, the Wildlings and Winterfell and Sansa. That’s not Spain.

    Just look at the facebook page of Brimstone movie, there are storyboards of the movie, pictures on the set, and many newspaper articles about Pattinson and other actors being cast for the movie. No way the GOT producers could create that…

  82. Moka: many newspaper articles about Pattinson and other actors being cast for the movie.

    and now suddenly these actors are gone, resigned for unknown reasons to make room for Kit harington and Dakot Fanning. It does not seem to be a very serious production 🙂 Besdies any computer scientist could make the facebook page for Brimstone in 24 hours or less, complete with fake photos and articles.

  84. Moka,

    They are dated February 2015 – this may be laying the groundwork for all of this. The producers already new at this point the outline for season 6.

    ANy such thing requires planning ahead to be convinving. Rob and Wasikowski all resigned at the same time for unspecified reasons. COuln’t be that they were previously asked to temporarily assume these role, while meanwhile being asssigned other projects? I know that it sounds far-fetched, but I’m talking about the possible greatest cover -up in filmining. I know it’s hard to imagine. I also have my doubts, but just entertain the possibility…

  85. Moka: Are Variety and The Wrap also part of the worldwide conspiracy?

    Why do you assume so? Director and producers may feed media with anything they want.

  87. Kam,

    And why would Wasikowski, Pattinson, Pearce and Koolhoven do such things in the first place? They have no reason to help “cover-up” a TV show they are not involved with. Plus, they would lose movie contracts when they pretend they are booked for Brimstone… It just doesn’t make sense.

    If Koolhoven was a director for season 6, he would direct one or several episodes with all the cast, not only Jon’s storyline. That’s not how it works.

    And once again, actors always come and go in movie projects, that’s nothing special… You can find many examples, even in great movies. Guillermo Del Toro worked for years on the Hobbit movies that he was supposed to direct, and at the end he resigned because it took too much time, and Jackson had to direct it as a consequence.

  88. Kam: Why do you assume so? Director and producers may feed media with anything they want.

    And WHY, WHY would Robert Pattinson help the GOT producers hide the fact that Kit Harington is shooting season 6? Why should he care?

    And why not George Clooney and Brad Pitt?

  89. Moka,

    Ok, but you must agree that this movie does not have a very intelligent plotline. I can’t imagine anyone would be tempted to star in it. I may be completely wrong, but GOT has always been known for pushing standards of what imaginable onscreen and maybe even “offscreen”. Many actors are fans of GOT, for example – maybe they would be delighted to jump on board this train and become part of some great ‘conspiracy fun”. At least you could say that it is POSSIBLE.

  91. Kam: Ok, but you must agree that this movie does not have a very intelligent plotline. I can’t imagine anyone would be tempted to star in it. I may be completely wrong, but GOT has always been known for pushing standards of what imaginable onscreen and maybe even “offscreen”. Many actors are fans of GOT, for example – maybe they would be delighted to jump on board this train and become part of some great ‘conspiracy fun”. At least you could say that it is POSSIBLE.

    A lot of movie have ridiculous plotlines, from “Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs” to “Iron Sky” with the nazi on the moon, lol.

    I think it’s highly possible that Kit will come back in season 6, but not that this movie is a cover for Season 6… That would involve too many people, that’s not possible. That dutch director exists and he has worked with Carie in the past and he’s been on the project since the beginning of the year at least, that can’t be fake.

  92. Perhaps Jon Snow is resurrected as Jonarys Targ and walks out of the flames with a totally different look.

  93. Moka,

    “Robert Pattinson Loves ‘Game Of Thrones’ As Much As Family — Watch”

    “Whoever thought that the ‘Twilight’ and ‘Game Of Thrones’ fandoms would collide? In a new interview, Robert Pattinson revealed that a bad episode of the fantasy series has the potential to ruin his week! Oh, and that’s the face he makes to people who don’t watch ‘GoT.’ Check it out below!”

  94. Kam:
    Moka,

    “Robert Pattinson Loves ‘Game Of Thrones’ As Much As Family — Watch”

    “Whoever thought that the ‘Twilight’ and ‘Game Of Thrones’ fandoms would collide? In a new interview, Robert Pattinson revealed that a bad episode of the fantasy series has the potential to ruin his week! Oh, and that’s the face he makes to people who don’t watch ‘GoT.’ Check it out below!”

    So what? Schwarzenegger said today in an interview that he loves Game of Thrones, does that mean that Terminator Genesys is also a fake movie to cover-up season6? OMG, Emilia Clarke is also in the movie, that’s another proof! Wow, I’m impressed! The conspiracy is really big! When I watched the Terminator trailers I never suspected that, well done D&D!

  96. jentario,

    Bite your tongue. Viggo has all the charisma in the world. But he wouldn’t do a secondary character. Not at this point in his career.

  97. Moka: So what? Schwarzenegger said today in an interview that he loves Game of Thrones, does that mean that Terminator Genesys is also a fake movie to cover-up season6? OMG, Emilia Clarke is also in the movie, that’s another proof! Wow, I’m impressed! The conspiracy is really big! When I watched the Terminator trailers I never suspected that, well done D&D!

    Confirmed: R’Hllor = Skynet

  98. A triumphant epic of survival and a tale of powerful womanhood and resistance against the unforgiving cruelty of a hell on earth. Our heroine is Liz (Dakota Fanning), carved from the beautiful wilderness, full of heart and grit, hunted by a vengeful Preacher (Guy Pearce) – a diabolical zealot and her twisted nemesis. But Liz is a genuine survivor; she’s no victim – a woman of fearsome strength who responds with astonishing bravery to claim the better life she and her daughter deserve. Fear not. Retribution is coming.

    That pitch reminds me of a Stephen King quote:

    The road to hell is paved with adverbs.

  99. Dame Diana Rigg is one of the best parts of GOT. That part in last season when she’s in the carriage heading towards King’s Landing and she says “You can smell the shit from miles away” with such genuine irritation was hysterical haha. And this thread has slowly deteriorated into conspiracy theory nonsense. I mean I’m all about theories within the actual story (R+L=J, High Sparrow =Howland Reed, Cleganebowl, etc.) but this is getting beyond ridiculous. Some of you actually think that a movie starring notable actors is nothing but a front for GOT season 6?? I’d honestly think that I was being trolled if I wasn’t so sure that you guys were serious lol.

  101. Rufus Sewell is the ideal Euron. Charisma for days, right age (47), handsome but in a kind of unsettling way, wonderful voice, similar facial features to Patrick Malahide (not so much colouring, but structurally), great British accent, etc. Accept no substitutes.

    My only real complaint with Mads, who is fantastic in Hannibal, is that I’m getting sick of Westeros (as opposed to Essosi) characters played by non-British actors trying to do English accents. NCW and Peter Dinklage have strained my last nerve.

  102. *walks in, reads thread, walks out and puts a large padlock on the door*

    ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!

    What horse hockey!!

  103. Maceless Fan: Some of you actually think that a movie starring notable actors is nothing but a front for GOT season 6?? I’d honestly think that I was being trolled if I wasn’t so sure that you guys were serious lol.

    “Some of you” is only one person as far as I can see in this thread. Pretty sure we *are* being trolled.

  105. Simeon,

    In this instance, one person is one too many haha. I wonder if you can apply real life conspiracy theories to asoiaf. The Doom of Valyria was an inside job!!! Actually, it probably was lol.

  106. jentario,

    My theory is that the reason D&D didn’t have LS in the series was to make the impact of resurrecting Jon Snow more profound. If they had done LS, everyone would have immediately thought “Oh! well they’ll just bring Jon Snow back too.”

  107. SillyMammo:

    My theory is that the reason D&D didn’t have LS in the series was to make the impact of resurrecting Jon Snowmore profound.If they had done LS, everyone would have immediately thought “Oh! well they’ll just bring Jon Snow back too.”

    Agreed, but what it is it all worth when they failed miserbly at the events that lead up to the FTW? The whole thing feals kinda bleak and nowhere near Ned´s exicution in the sense of unsullied reactions or should i say complete lack of any significant reaction.

  108. SillyMammo:
    jentario,

    My theory is that the reason D&D didn’t have LS in the series was to make the impact of resurrecting Jon Snowmore profound.If they had done LS, everyone would have immediately thought “Oh! well they’ll just bring Jon Snow back too.”

    You’re probably right, though George has already done that with the books. I mean if he never invented LS, we wouldn’t be so sure that Jon coming back was even a possibility. D & D are really doing this for the show watchers, but even a lot of them have been able to piece together what’s going to happen.

  109. Kam,

    B

    but just think for a while, what if I AM right?

    But your not, no more then any other conspiracy theorist ever.

    Gayeld,

    We have ten months to fill. This is more entertaining than measuring Kit’s hair every time he goes out in public.

    True, that. Heavens knows fans have gone off the rails for less. Tho I suspect the silliness will at least slow down once the Season 5 voting starts. Hopefully that starts soon

  110. Emilia speaks on Jon Snow issue:

    I love how Emilia is keen on winning the Iron throne … more than the character she plays who just sits in Mereen doing nothing.

  112. Simeon,

    I’m not trolling anybody. I authentically believe in what I’m saying, as crazy as it may sound ( Sorry for my Enlish. I’m not a native speaker).

    Remember, for season 5 GOT producers set up a separate directorial unit for Dorne. Maybe it is the same for season 6, but this time – Brimstone?

    Regarding all the actors involved in Brimstone …(imdb lists them all) How can you say for sure that they are not in fact GOT actors playing characters that appear in Jon Snow storyline in the Winds of Winter? We don’t know what people Jon Snow encounters after ressurection or where he goes. Maybe he comes acress some girl played by Dakota Fanning or other actors who are officially listed as Brimstone cast?

    But why would D&D go to such lenghs with this Brimstone project?

    Maybe Jon Snow’s storyline for season 6 involves a lot of screen time for him – he is very quicky resurrected and very busy fulfilling his hero destiny. He leaves the Wall in a quest to rally the North to his side (the only way to put an effective stance against the White Walkers, maybe even the whole Kingdom – Doren, Greyjos and other families). HE may interact with a lot of new people, maybe discovers the truth about his parentage – there is a lot of stuff to cover.
    But how do we film it?
    Everybody is supposed to think that Jon Snow is dead, so he cannot be part of the official filming crew at the official film set. More importantly, I think that David and Dan are willing to make this conspiracy move out of their respect for George Martin’s work. They would not want fans to discover too soon the fate of Jon SNow as it was written in the book without reading the book first (or having the possibility to do so, at least). As it seems highly likely that George Martiln will publish his last book before season 6 airs, than the cover-up would have to be maintained only as long as the filming takes.

    But why would Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning be replacing Robert Pattinson and Waskiowski at the last moment before the filming begins (according to brimstone facebook page the filming begun on 16 June)? The answer is: it has been planned in advance. Caurice who playes Melisandre has joined the Brimstone project earlier (I guess a few months ago).

    For me this is a perfectly logical move. They cannot have Melisandre and JOn Snow join the new film project together without rising suspicions and GOT-related asscociations.
    So what do they do. They ask Robert Pattison, who is a great fan of Game of Thrones, to pretend that he has already been cast in this project so that at the right time he could be replaced with Kit Harington. In this way, Red Priestess and Jon Snow are not being cast in the new film togheter at the same time, which may seem rather strange and may overtly suggest that there is some resurrection involved.

    If you think of Brimstone as nothing else than GOT separate directorial unit No 5 or 6 or whaterver, which is exlcusively devoted to filming Jon Snow scenes, than the mystery of whether he lives or dies remains intact, George Martin is happy and we do not have to worry about the following statement by Jon SNow: I’m not coming back in season 6 (because he officially isn’t).

    Just think about it. What he basically says (I’m not coming back for season 6) is that he will probably appear only at the finale of season 6, probably featuring his ressurection scenes. The most we ever see of him will be his dramatically opened eyes. Way to stay attached to a crucial character, song of ice and fire, if you don’t see him for the entire season. So what, in season 7 he just rises dramatically and cuts Night’s King head?

    If my Brimston conspiracy theory is true than Jon Snow has a lot of screen time this season, he is acting all Stark-like and uniting the North against the White Walker. DO you think it can be realistcally done just in one season (season 7)? We are left with no hope that it can be otherwise, if Kit is indeed not coming back for season 6.

    Curiosity: there is a fantasy series of books called “Brimstone Conspiracy”. Maybe D&D used to be fans of it? Birmstone is a supernatural thriller – how convenient for any Red Priest magic involved.

  115. Kam,

    BTW your English is just fine, and you do make a compelling argument. But conspiracy theories often pick all sorts of events and situations that look like they fit, but when you delve deeper, they are totally coincidental or out of context If you are right it would be a coup, but in this day and age when we get images and words in a heartbeat, and nothing seems to be a secret, why would they take that chance?

  117. ash,

    ok so lets delve deeper. Let’s take a look at Brimstone’s synopsis from imdb:

    “A triumphant epic of survival and a tale of powerful womanhood and resistance against the unforgiving cruelty of a hell on earth. Our heroine is Liz (Dakota Fanning), carved from the beautiful wilderness, full of heart and grit, hunted by a vengeful Preacher (Guy Pearce) – a diabolical zealot and her twisted nemesis. But Liz is a genuine survivor; she’s no victim – a woman of fearsome strength who responds with astonishing bravery to claim the better life she and her daughter deserve. Fear not. Retribution is coming”

    1) do you seriously consider that KIt Harington would want to star in this movie – he has often expressed that he wants to finally step into the 21 centruy. This is offically presented as a periodic supernatural thriller. And the synopsis is like something from Twilight.

    “If you are right it would be a coup, but in this day and age when we get images and words in a heartbeat, and nothing seems to be a secret, why would they take that chance?’

    Periodic – means that Kit Harington and Carice may wear periodic clothes without drawing anyone’s attention.
    Supernatural – means that Kit Harrington may play scenes that verge on magical or paranormal – which for any crazy fan taking photos from afar would seem like a natural process of filming the film called Brimstone
    Thriller – means there can be wolves running around and scowling. There can be scary staff – and once again – for an untrained eye that would be just some crew filimng Brimstone.

    So the overall theme of this film allows the director to smuggle in GOT themes and GOT scenes without raising much suspicion.

    Brimstone is a modest little set. Filming has already started here. According to its facebook page: its location is secret. World’s attention is directed elsewhere. There are no hords of fans desparately trying to catch the sight of KIt Harrington’ s alive body.

  118. For all Jon=AA fans,let’s assume I am ready to believe Jon is Azor Ahai.If so,who or what will represent his Nissa Nissa?I’m just curious on your view on this.This if we bleieve in AA and assume it will happen again.Of course,something completly different might happen.George might surprise us in a big way.

  120. OK, there are just FAR too many people involved in this Brimstone thing for it not to be a real project in its own right. What are the chances of so many going along with a charade? What are the chances of all these people being seen somewhere else when they are meant to be on location shooting in Romania, Spain or Belgium (are they going to build a complete new Castle Black set somewhere then)?

    http://variety.com/2015/film/global/game-of-thrones-star-kit-harington-joins-cast-of-brimstone-1201526982/

    If on the other hand we hear news it was shelved in the next few weeks then just maybe…but even then.

    It would be awesome if this was a hoax to cover up GoT filming, but no really…

  121. Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?,

    Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?: are they going to build a complete new Castle Black set somewhere then)?

    I don’t think Jon Snow would remain at Castle Balck for long. In fact, his resurection scenes at Castle Black might have already been filmed. D&D have only 2 SEASONS to finish game of thrones. If KIt is not going to immediately leave the wall and interact with a whole lot of new people (he must gain the following of the rest of the world for god’s sake), than how would they ever accomplish it?

  122. Ser Gerold Dayne,

    Dany or Mel. Jon (AA) plunges his sword into either, producing the flaming Lightbringer. Mel’s demise would be the easier for the fandom to accept; Dany’s would be the more poignant, as hers would be the greater sacrifice.

    Dany is the best match for the Fire/Ice balance (dragon fire), with Mel the lesser option (plain old R’Hllor fire).

    Some have proposed a romance between AA and Dany, but it could just be familial love. Or: the two stay unwitting enemies, which would very much be GRRM, no?

  123. Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?: there are just FAR too many people involved in this Brimstone thing for it not to be a real project in its own right.

    Too many people? Just look at imdb cast list:

    Kit Harington … Samuel
    Carice van Houten … Anna
    Dakota Fanning … Liz
    Guy Pearce … The Reverend
    Paul Anderson
    Carla Juri
    Jack Roth

    it does look suprisingly enigmatic and not fully-fleshed at all. they don’t even have surname for god’s sake. very sketchy

  124. Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?,

    Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?: are they going to build a complete new Castle Black set somewhere then)?

    I don’t think Jon Snow would remain at Castle Balck for long. In fact, his resurection scenes at Castle Black might have already been filmed. D&D have only 2 SEASONS to finish game of thrones. If KIt is not going to immediately leave the wall and interact with a whole lot of new people (he must gain the following of the rest of the world for the god’s sake), than how would they ever accomplish it?

  125. Kam: Too many people? Just look at imdb cast list:

    Kit Harington…SamuelCarice van Houten…AnnaDakota Fanning…LizGuy Pearce…The ReverendPaul AndersonCarla JuriJack Roth

    it does look suprisingly enigmatic and not fully-fleshed at all. they don’t even have surname for god’s sake. very sketchy

    fixed it for ya

    Kit Harington… Jun Snoh
    Carice van Houten… Mellisandre
    Dakota Fanning… Val
    Guy Pearce… Varamyr Sixskins
    Paul Anderson
    Carla Juri
    Jack Roth

  126. Maceless Fan:
    Simeon,

    In this instance, one person is one too many haha. I wonder if you can apply real life conspiracy theories to asoiaf. The Doom of Valyria was an inside job!!! Actually, it probably was lol.

    It was a controlled demolition!!

    There was a second kingslayer behind the grassy knoll!!

    The dragon-hatching was faked on a soundstage in Pentos!!

    Greyscale is caused by chemtrails… wait, I mean vaccines… err, fluoride in the water…?

  127. Ok,but how is this a huge sacrifice for him?He doesn’t even know Dany and it’s not like there is much time left for them to interact,plus everything could be very complicated at that point.And he is not even fond of Mel.Sure,if she brings him back their relationship may change but so radical she wiil just become the most imporatant person in his life?I doubt that.So the more I imagine it playing along I believe we will not get the clasic AA story,it will be something different and unexpected.

  128. Kam: As it seems highly likely that George Martiln will publish his last book before season 6 airs,

    Probably the least likely thing in your post.

    The idea of a fake movie to cover up Kit filming series 6 is far more plausible than GRRM getting (at least) two books out before next April.

  130. Hoyti Von Totiy,

    I’ll play–but only because it’s gonna be a lonnnggg 10 months till Season Six, and what else do we have to do?

    Has there been a precedent for this sort of thing? In movies, I mean. In history, well, I do have a hazy memory of the Allies setting up fake tanks and whatnot on one location to mislead the Germans into thinking D-Day would launch from there. I think there was even a movie or documentary made to commemorate the successful ruse!

    So, yeah, I totally endorse such skullduggery (right up my alley!), but agree with others above that it’s both too good and too complicated to be true. Why bother? We all know Jon’s coming back!

  131. I know a lot of people say this pretty much every year, & fall back on it, but If they’ve TRUELY killed his character off with no reviving, I will be done with the show. It would be terrible storytelling, leaving no main characters/POV’s at the Wall (Mel & Davos do not even count, they’re sideline), it would make the HUGE OMG SECRET of his parentage pointless, & it would make the Brotherhood without Banners/Thoros/Beric gift of life ability pointless(especially if there’s no LS). For god sakes, he is the embodiment of ice & fire, along with being an integral character in ASoIaF.

    That dumbass Mel thought Stannis was AA & we’ve all seen how that turned out. She said she’s seen the flayed man banners lowered to the ground/burned & she’s seen herself walking the battlements. Well, who the fuck is going to make that happen?

  132. Simeon: It was a controlled demolition!!

    There was a second kingslayer behind the grassy knoll!!

    The dragon-hatching was faked on a soundstage in Pentos!!

    Greyscale is caused by chemtrails… wait, I mean vaccines… err, fluoride in the water…?

    It already has loads of it’s own.

    The Dragons were wiped out by a controlled breeding experiment by the Maesters over hundreds of years.

    The Royal Prince survived the assassination of his entire family, he is believed to also be dead only to appear years later on a different continent but eventually turns out to be a fake.

    A group of Faceless individuals have the power to control the World though their influence of world governments and World Banking.

  133. Conan,

    True.. and I guess the Mad King’s downfall is pretty much the definition of an “inside job.” (And King Robert’s as well, come to think of it.)

  134. How about some showrunner just produces a TV show called ‘Game Over’ starring every actor whose character was killed off in GoT? The cast would populate the show in the order of their deaths-by-season in GoT.

    Very meta: the new characters would face similar choices as their old ones did in GoT, with the hook being: will they make better decisions this time and avoid their grisly ends?

    That would be gold, I tell ya, gold!

    Jeez, this is gonna be a lonnnggg 10 months…

  135. Rodrik the Reader,

    Kit Haring

    Rodrik the Reader: So, yeah, I totally endorse such skullduggery (right up my alley!), but agree with others above that it’s both too good and too complicated to be true. Why bother? We all know Jon’s coming back!

    But Kit said that he is NOT coming back in season 6. NOT coming back. Without the above-discussed Brimstone conspiracy theory that would mean a very LAME six season.

    Look also at the time when Dakota Fanning was cast in BRIMSTONE along with Kit Harington. Her casting annoucement came just when GOT season 6 casting is taking place. She replaced Mia Wasikowska, who resigned just before the filming was to start together with Robert Pattison whom she knows well from earlier projects, maybe they were just keeping the seats hot for jon snow and whoever dakota faning might be in the world of ice and fire.

  136. Kam,

    Take a look at brimstone’s wikipedia entry, its homepage or its twitter. Looks rather reaL

  137. joffreysbleedingeyes,

    You mean this entry:

    Brimstone is an alternative name for sulfur.

    It may also refer to:

    Fire and brimstone, an expression of signs of God’s wrath in the Bible, or a style of Christian preaching that uses vivid descriptions of judgment and eternal damnation to encourage repentance

    It does sound like a fitting title for this cover-up. IF BRIMSTONE is all about jon snow’s story line that god’s wrath would be embodied in white walkers and the phrase ‘eternal damnation’ is a perfect prophetic vision of westors without jon snow or dany or third dragon’s interference.

  139. Kam: Too many people? Just look at imdb cast list:

    Kit Harington…SamuelCarice van Houten…AnnaDakota Fanning…LizGuy Pearce…The ReverendPaul AndersonCarla JuriJack Roth

    it does look suprisingly enigmatic and not fully-fleshed at all. they don’t even have surname for god’s sake. very sketchy

    Never mind the cast list, just supposing they are secretly filming JS + Mel and unnamed others for GoT. What about all the behind the scenes crew such as the set dressers, camera operators, principal photographer, sound, lighting, riggers, electricians, focus puller, key grip, stunts, doubles, costume, make up etc – even the catering crew! If there is real filming for GoT going on rather than some hoax film do you think so many people can keep the pretence or any kind of secret when virtually everyone has a smartphone with camera where photos might leak or just likes to gossip?

    Where would they film it where all this could be contained in some super secret environment? We saw production pics and even tourist snaps from Spain last year during location scouting or filming so these things do leak out.

    This is too elaborate.

  140. Sorry for refuelling the tinfoil with arguments which had already been made.

    *renews the padlock and adds three security bolts*

  141. Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?,

    Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?: What about all the behind the scenes crew such as the set dressers, camera operators, principal photographer, sound, lighting, riggers, electricians, focus puller, key grip, stunts, doubles, costume, make up etc – even the catering crew! If there is real filming for GoT going on rather than some hoax film do you think so many people can keep the pretence or any kind of secret when virtually everyone has a smartphone with camera where photos might leak or just likes to gossip?

    we will find soon enough, i guess. when we get the first photos of kit harington as an outlaw called samuel. i don’t know about you, but it all sounds a little ridiculous to me:

    ‘the story sees Fanning as a young woman named Liz trying to escape her past and, more specifically, an evil sort who calls himself Preacher (Guy Pearce). Harington will be an outlaw called Samuel who plays a crucial role in Liz’s escape attempt, while the movie will also make for a mini Thrones reunion, as Carice van Houten is also aboard alongside Paul Anderson (neither Thomas nor W.S.), Jack Roth and Carla Juri. ‘

    O MY GOD I JUST STUMBLED UPON SOMETHING CONFIRMING MY BRIMSTONE CONSPIRACY THEORY;

    ‘Jack Roth is an Engish actor. He is the son of actor Tim Roth.

    In Game of Thrones he plays the role of Donnel Hill in the episode “The Watchers on the Wall”. ‘

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Roth

    JAKC ROTH IS LISTED AS CAST MEMBER IN ….. BRIMSTONE!!!

  143. Hoyti Von Totiy,

    just read the plot description of brimstone on imdb and tell me honestly: would you really believe any of these actors would ever agree to act in such a twilight zone movie, if it were not for the hidden GOT content? this is all hoax stinking to high heaven (sorry for my english)

  144. People! Seriously. There is no need to go all tiny men in white coats with giant needles over this. Carice has been signed on to do this movie for ages. We know we’ll see her the first time we see Jon. So there is no need to bend the entire universe to our will. The shooting of the film and the TV series – at least at the Wall – do not conflict. Stand down, fandom. Stand down.

  145. Ginevra:
    People!Seriously.There is no need to go all tiny men in white coats with giant needles over this.Carice has been signed on to do this movie for ages.We know we’ll see her the first time we see Jon.So there is no need to bend the entire universe to our will.The shooting of the film and the TV series – at least at the Wall – do not conflict. Stand down, fandom.Stand down.

    Come on, we all know Dakota Fanning has been cast as

    Gatehouse Ami

  146. kama:

    O MY GOD I JUST STUMBLED UPON SOMETHING CONFIRMING MY BRIMSTONE CONSPIRACY THEORY;

    ‘Jack Roth is an Engish actor. He is the son of actor Tim Roth.

    In Game of Thrones he plays the role of Donnel Hill in the episode “The Watchers on the Wall”. ‘

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jack_Roth

    JAKC ROTH IS LISTED AS CAST MEMBER IN ….. BRIMSTONE!!!

    If you just looked a little bit further, you’d see that Donnel Hill died in “The Watchers on the Wall. Nothing to see here.
    You’re creative, I’ll give you that, but this conspiracy stuff is still ridiculous.

  147. kama:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    just read the plot description of brimstone on imdb and tell me honestly: would you really believe any of these actors would ever agree to act in such atwilight zone movie, if it were not for the hidden GOT content? this is all hoax stinking to high heaven (sorry for my english)

    Kit’s last big movie was Pompeii, and from all I’ve heard it was a pile of dogshit. Again, nothing to see here.

    I guess the European film industry can be a small place. GoT actors star in the same movies all the time.

  149. kama,

    Would you have thought that all the actors in Cowboys vs aliens would have participated in that movie?

  151. Kam:
    Arya’ Havin’ a Larf?,

    I don’t think Jon Snow would remain at Castle Balck for long. In fact, his resurection scenes at Castle Black might have already been filmed. D&D have only 2 SEASONS to finish game of thrones. If KIt is not going to immediately leave the wall and interact with a whole lot of new people (he must gain the following of the rest of the world for god’s sake), than how would they ever accomplish it?

    I agree with this. I’d go a step farther. If Jon is not going to leave the Wall, he might as well stay dead. I think he’s done pretty much all he can do there. And I say that as a fan of the character and someone who believes he will not remain dead.

    I just don’t think the Wall will hold. I think it will either come down or be breached somehow. If the White Walkers (I keep wanting to say The Others) can’t get past the Wall then it would be a pretty short war and the great threat they were made out to be would have been totally overblown (except for the Wildlings/Free Folk – they got the short end of the stick).

    And that was a great point by the poster who pointed out Mel’s vision seeing the Bolton banners fall and seeing herself walking the battlements. If I’m remembering right she did not say she saw Stannis walking them. I think that vision was accurate and she just either assumed it was Stannis that got her there or maybe misled him by omission of not telling him that tiny detail.

    If the vision was accurate somebody has to get her Winterfell, burn those banners and let her walk around on the battlements. Hmm. who might that be?

  152. Dolorous Methuselah: I just don’t think the Wall will hold. I think it will either come down or be breached somehow. If the White Walkers (I keep wanting to say The Others) can’t get past the Wall then it would be a pretty short war and the great threat they were made out to be would have been totally overblown (except for the Wildlings/Free Folk – they got the short end of the stick).

    New wild speculation theory… Melisandre realizes Jon has king’s blood and attempts to resurrect him… just as with the “blood magic” used to resurrect Khal Drogo, things go terribly wrong… and the Wall is blown apart… cue WW invasion… and just to really freak everyone the hell out: Jon is raised as a wight by the Night’s King(evil laugh: mu-hahahaha)!

    There you go! My new theory that incorporates why Jon’s ancestry is important, why Mel needs to be at the Wall, and how the plot advances (with a bang!) even with Jon staying dead (or un-dead)…plus a little bonus tragedy where trying to resurrect Ahor Azai to fight the WW actually ends up helping the WW…

    (Not really my prediction, but who knows – being able to speculate without being shackled to the books is kind of fun. Finally, I can enjoy the “unsullied” experience.)

  153. Dolorous Methuselah: If the vision was accurate somebody has to get her Winterfell, burn those banners and let her walk around on the battlements. Hmm. who might that be?

    The Night King Probably.

  154. Dolorous Methuselah,

    I don’t know how surreal D&D might want to go with this, but could AA’s introduction be less in-world than otherworldly?

    That is, AA could be wandering the Nightlands for a while and be everywhere and nowhere at the same time, weirdly plugged into Bran’s weirwood net. This could set-up an accumulation of off-kilter flashbacks AA might not even know the ramifications of, but we would.

    The AA ghost/apparition/however they play it could still get zapped back into Jon’s body for Season Seven. Or, if Kit & co. ain’t lying, perhaps AA’s presence doesn’t even need a human corporeal host as we understand it. If the Night’s King was once a member of the Watch (as some have speculated), perhaps anything’s possible.

    The final battle is destined to be between the gods and demi-gods, right? With humans the collateral damage not quite knowing what’s what and what their own role is in the drama. Too much for the gritty milieu of the show, maybe, but Ragnarok might deserve to be out-of-this-world jaw-dropping in more ways than one.

    (Counterargument: grand myths are usually based in mundane facts, and lore demands printing the legend, not the facts. Which means our boy Kit needs to come back.)

    As for Mel, yeah, she’ll be at Winterfell at some point–peeled by Ramsay perhaps? Burning Bolton banners don’t necessarily confirm her arriving in triumph. Mel’s been known to be half-wrong almost all the time!

  155. jentario,

    He got a haircut. Though he could grow it back out. I think he’ll be gone for season 6 ( they might not even mention the wall at all) then appear at the very end. I just think it will be like Bran and they won’t show his story line or the wall at all. I also think they’ll bring out Lady Stoneheart before we’re through.

  157. Dolorous Methuselah: I think that vision was accurate and she [Melisandre] just either assumed it was Stannis that got her there or maybe misled him by omission of not telling him that tiny detail.

    One nice thing about the books as we got to see into Mel’s head, and learn that she was 100% sincere in her beliefs about her god, her powers, and the destiny of Stannis.
    The show by its very nature ended up leaving this somewhat ambiguous.

  158. So one minute I’m reading reminiscences of Patrick MacNee in the Diana Rigg interview and the next news breaks that he has died – RIP

  159. Kam: Strange that the previous leads have all of a sudden both resigned to make room for Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning.

    “While there’s no reason given for the exits of Pattinson and Wasikowska, it probably comes down to scheduling…”

    Kam: But why would Kit Harington and Dakota Fanning be replacing Robert Pattinson and Waskiowski at the last moment before the filming begins (according to brimstone facebook page the filming begun on 16 June)? The answer is: it has been planned in advance. Caurice who playes Melisandre has joined the Brimstone project earlier (I guess a few months ago).

    You have a good imagination, but that is really ridiculous.

    Mia Waskiowski is pregnant so she dropped out, and Robert Pattinson was basically fired to due to his lack of enthusiasm, so Kit took his place.

  162. Boudica,

    Yes, but not accidendly so, Robert Pattinson is also a great fan of GOT so maybe he would be willing to play a little game of conspiracy 🙂

  163. Dolorous Ned,

    I’ve heard many recent interviewsw with Kit and he sounded like he was determined to change the film genre and act in more eclectic and contemporary movies.

  164. Boudica: You have a good imagination, but that is really ridiculous.

    Mia Waskiowski is pregnant so she dropped out, and Robert Pattinson was basically fired to due to his lack of enthusiasm, so Kit took his place.

    How do you know about these reasons?

    Anyway, the official twitter one of the filming locations for Brimstone is Canada

    “#BrimstoneMovie will start shooting in May 2015 in Canada and Europe. http://moby.to/5oxp5w” (dated 5 February)

    and we know that the wolf that has been playing Ghost in season 5 is from Canada
    “From the wilds of Alberta to Westeros: How a Canadian wolf joined the Game of Thrones pack”

    “Quigly, who plays the wolf Ghost in the HBO series, is just one of a pack of wolves being trained by Andrew Simpson, the owner and operator of Instinct Animals for Film.”

    There is a pack of wolves at the site. Maybe it’s just another coincidence…. I don’t know….

    But we have 10 months before Season 6 arrives, so why not to indulge in “crazy” theories. If Harington is not spotted even once filming Thrones during the summer and autumn, than that Brimstone theory may be the only consolation of my heart….

  165. Kind of OT but she mentioned him – I just read that Ms. Riggs Avengers co-star Patrick MacNee passed in his sleep at the age of 93. I remember watching that show when I was very young.

    RIP Sir!

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