A few days ago, the possible title of the fourth episode of Game of Thrones season 6 popped up on the HBO Asia website, and today another title has appeared.
According to HBO Asia’s schedule, the fifth episode of the season will be “The Door.” This episode will be the first of two GoT episodes directed by Jack Bender in season 6.
As vague and generic as it is, a title like “The Door” could have many meanings. A door is an easy object for metaphor- the door between life and death, the door between worlds, a door between the future and the past, etc. There are a lot of ways to go with it. But more literally, there are notable doors in the ASOIAF world such as the Moon Door and the House with the Red Door of Dany’s memories. Dany’s red door hasn’t really come up on the show, but the Moon Door of the Eyrie has certainly been put to good use. We also have some imprisoned characters this season who could be looking to step through the door.
Basically, have at it, folks! What do you think the title means?
Hodor!
The Door?! Wtf
The Red Door? Bran expands his visions across the Narrow sea to Dany’s childhood home? Smh
Hodor
Hodor!
Maybe there’s another door that we have yet to see which will be revealed in the House of Black & White as well… I think I like the metaphorical ones best, though. đ
First thing to came to mind was Dany’s “House with the red door”. Would be neat if that were explored this season.
Ho – Door?
Excited for Jack Bender. He was a boss on Lost.
GoT >= Lost >>>> all else
The Door, that keeps the dragons locked in? (I know the are chained…but there’s a door too…)
I so wish that was the door from the house with the red door but I doubt it đ
The Door? Ok, I am lost. I have no idea what it could possibly mean lol.
There may be a wolf at The Door.
Bender was seen at several sets but he’s doing eps 5 and 6 so it’s hard to guess at which is from which episode. Damn these vague metaphorical titles.
I can’t think of anything. At all, damn, D&D!!!
I like the idea of this fairly benign sounding title being the Jon Snow is resurrected epi – “door between life and death” as Sue said…
The Door??? That’s a horrible title … I hope it’s false news.
Episode 9 is 60 minutes.
I’m hoping its another door in the house of black and white … The last couple of series have been quite Arya lite which is not a good thing as her storyline is one of the best in the entire show.
Pounce,
Awesome!! Battle of the Bastards!!!
Can you provide a link?
Pounce,
Great.
book for book,
That’s mean ? Like idk if y’all have reasons, but out of context that’s just mean
dan,
http://www.hbo.com/search?type=schedule&seriesIds=PMRS1663&q=GAME%2BOF%2BTHRONES
It’s going to be a big one.
I can’t believe no one has said “Ho-Door” yet…
I hope to see The Red Door from Dany and I hope we will finally know what that memorie means.
Lyannaes,
Ignore the trolls, I’m deleting his posts.
Pounce,
Lol, Kit Haringtons name is still listed haha.
Sue the Fury,
Ok, sorry!! I always fall for them lol
Pounce,
That… is actually bad news. Means that the episode will probably also contain other locations, rather than solely focussing on BasBo.
Better not have a lot of Dorne scenes lol. I think BastardBowl will be the main focus, it is the biggest battle they have done apparently, bigger than Hardhome and Blackwater.
Dragonmcmx,
Au contraire, I see it as good news for the Riverrun storyline. RW 2.0 might be happening after all.
As a wildcard longshot suggestion of what the door could refer to, since I can’t really imagine why Dany’s red door would be important at this point, could this be something to do with the Black Door under the wall? We never saw it properly when Sam and Bran first went through it IIRC, but it always seemed important in the books. Maybe now with the possible Coldhands from the trailer and the chance of Jon/Meera/Bran or someone having a reason to cross the wall we will get a proper look at it?
Or most likely its something not so easily guessable.
Those guys keep us guessing, LOL! I got nothing.
LSH,
I still doubt that it is Coldhands in the trailer, I am 100% positive that it’s Benjen.
Could it be the White Walkers passing through the Door… on the Wall?
In episode 5? I doubt it.
“I can only show you the door, it’s WunWun that has to walk through it!”
Okay, so we’ve gone from the most intriguing episode title of the season (possibly the show) for 604 to one of the least imaginative for 605. Not that it ultimately matters much, of course.
It’s definitely a head scratcher. Only things I can think of are Danny’s house with the red door, maybe some sort of back door to get into Winterfell through the crypts or something, maybe ordering the doors of Margary’s cell opened. Or something to do with a door used by either the Sand Snakes or Vary’s birds to sneak in on someone.
I dunno. None of those really sound right but that’s all I can come up with.
The first thing that popped into my head was the HoB&W door that’s made out of weirwood and ebony.
I’m guessing it’s a Bran storyline reference of some sort though.
Could mean anything.
weirwoodtreehugger,
There was a door like that in the show??
The only door that springs to mind is Dany’s door. She constantly mentions it in the books, but it has yet to be explored in the show. Would be awesome if they explored that in the show. I can’t imagine that the moon door, or even the Eyrie, will show up this season.
well, check at the top…
Pounce,
Wow so episode 8 is 59 minutes and episode 9 60!
Isn’t the
supposed to be in this episode?
The Door? Sliding doors between past, present and future? I think this is going to be about Bran’s visions and finally shedding some light on past events that led to the present.
The titles in this season really feel like the show is well beyond the books and book knowledge.
I think the reason that we are getting stumped on the episode titles is because in past seasons, we could guess based on the books what they referred to. Now, we don’t know – could mean anything.
I would not vote for the Red Door either, too far removed and to set it up again would take a bit of time. Then again…….who knows. Home for a title is just as nebulous … has way too many meanings and could be anything.
I may be alone here, but I actually like that we can’t guess everything before it happens. It gives a bit more of a surprise, like opening a fortune cookie at the end of a meal…..ah HA, that is what it meant.
My guess is that it is something to do with Bran.
Did you hear about Luke Roberts twitter account? Someone asked him when he was going to appear in GOT and he said watch episode 3. So, I’m intrigued. Is there a chance we might see more of Arthur Dayne than just the TOJ???? Or are they going to split TOJ among several episodes??
I was expecting TOJ for episode 5 … but … The Door????? No clue about TOJ???
The resurrection must happen in episode 4, it’s a longer episode and the title is fitting.
Man, please let ep 9 only be BasBo. A full 60 minute episode focussing only on that location, those characters, that event… PLEASE HBO!!
In what context would the house with the red door even come up at this point?
Mag,
Why would they split it? Doesn’t make sense. It should happen in one scene in one episode.
Someone did say it…Conan about 16 posts before you.
Didn’t they say there will be a white walker scene this season bigger than hardhome?
JustanotherSchemer,
Yeah. We have no idea when that is happening.
Dragonmcmx,
It’s not going to happen.
Destin,
You just did say ho-door! Nice!
I love this title! It’s very ominous and enigmatic. I can’t help but think of the red door. Maybe Dany will tell someone about it. Because it is likely important to her story. And then of course it could also be a door in the house of B&W which opens up for Arya as part of her training. Maybe to the room where they take the faces. It has to have multiple meanings. I guess it could be the moon door, but I just don’t see that. Unless Sansa pushes LF out of it lol!
In any case I won’t be disappointed if it is none of the above. Though I suspect we must be right on at least one account. Thanks HBO Asia!
can’t really offer anything to the discussion… I am still under my egyptology rush of the past days. And, yes, there is a Door in the Papyrus of Ani (the Book of the Dead). Quite important to cross it… and of course there are doorkeepers, and they are not nice…
Of course this is totally irrelevant – it is just that I am afraid that with this Book of the Stranger title I will now see connexions to Ancient Egypt EVERYWHERE.
Damn!
Do you think there’s a chance they will embalm Jon Snow?
It would be epic to get a glimpse of Daenerys’ childhood.
A reminder of the little submissive girl she used to be!
You know the day destroys the night.
Night divides the day.
It is known.
must be in singular
“spoiler”
Demon Monkey,
Connor,
You are probably right. If that happens this season it would be most likely on ep. 9-10.
Dragonmcmx,
I don’t think u need to worry about this. I imagine that is already happening. Every time we have a big battle (Blackwater, watchers on the Wall) they have lasted the whole episode. And if Hardhome is the exception, it still ended up being the most epic fight ever. So no worries. It will probably be the whole episode and if not they will still do it justice.
You are probably right. If something like that happens this season it would be most likely on ep. 9-10.
Connor,
Kit Harrington still listed? Yaaaas!
*Forehead slap*
We’ll be finding out that Hodor is trying to say ‘The Door’. And we’ll find out what the door is.
Winterfell crypt time.
Dragonmcmx,
Who wants to sit through a battle for 40 minutes ?
You know, if Luke Roberts was mistaken and ToJ is in E5, not E3, maybe the door could be referring to a door in ToJ that will have to be opened to reveal a certain bed of blood?
I kinda feel that E3 is too soon for the ToJ, but I could be wrong.
Bran will open the door of Tower of Joy, Arya will open the door of secrets in the House of Black and White, someone will open the doors for Dany’s dragons….
House Adder,
I think Tyrion will be going into the crypts where the dragons are next episode. Looks that way going by the promos. Also fight at Castle Black is going to happen too.
Episode 2 is gonna be good.
Connor,
But we have to get our bastard awake first. lol
And I imagine episode 10 will be quite long, 60 to 65 minutes, as episode 9 will mostly concern the big battle (though not wholly, we now know) and the finalle will have to wrap up all the other storylines, as in season four. This season has gone from looking like it will be the shortest to only the third shortest (or fourth longest) in the last few weeks. A very bottom-heavy season! Which is nice.
Demon Monkey,
There’s no actual way that we’ll spend 60 minutes in one location. Blackwater was 55 minutes but it had so many interesting characters like Tyrion, Stannis, Davos, Varys, Sansa, The Hound, Bronn, Joffrey, Cersei…This one will have Jon, Ramsay, Tormund, Sansa, Davos and that’s about it.
Watchers on the Wall was 50 minutes but the first 15 minutes were filler with Sam.
The whole segment at Winterfell needs 40-45 minutes at best.
Damphair’s creaking door?
I think they’re going to spin off The Name of the Wind from GOT.
Isn’t
CC,
I know, I know ahah.
The Long Night,
Pounce,
even 30 would do it.
Vale does have a ‘moon door’ if I remember…..
Pounce,
Watch S4E09 and S2E09. It worked perfectly. And not all of it must be battle, there is plenty of non battle material. Setting stuff up, pre battle tension, aftermath, etc etc.
tkk,
I saw that, I think it could very well be 603.
Connor,
But will he be the one to let the dragons out đ
Pounce,
I agree 100%.
Demon Monkey,
I’ve said it a million times now, but the cast list is the same for all episodes in the season. Doesn’t mean anything at all. He’ll be in it, of course, but it’s no indication whatsoever who appears in which episodes.
Mihnea,
The Hardhome massacre lasted around 18 minutes. And it wasn’t rushed. The actual battle doesn’t need to be more than 30 minutes. 10-15 minutes of setup will be fine.
And remember the scale will be much bigger than Hardhome.
Dragonmcmx,
Even if they’d spent the first 20 minutes with other storylines, there’s still 40 minutes left for the Battle. That’s 2 times the battle of Helm’s Deep.
Mihnea,
30 minutes would be incredibly underwhelming for this big battle everyone’s been teasing.
Josh L.,
Maybe TOJ is split? Like in ep 3 we get the fight outside and it leaves with the cliffhanger of Ned about to enter the TOJ. Then maybe ep 6 we get the scene inside.
Dragonmcmx,
HH was 18 minutes. From Jon landing to the end of the fight.
30-35 is more then enough for me.
The Door to the House of Black and White?
The Door that Tyrion opens to release the dragons?
The Door to the past that Bran opens again?
The Door of the Tower of Joy that Ned opens to find Lyanna?
The Door of the Great Sept where Maragaery gets released?
The Door of Winterfell through which Melisandre et. al. are leaving?
Or it’s about Jon – “dead like a door nail” or “keep the wolf from the door” đ .
So many possibilities…
El-Bobbie,
Yeah, that would be bs.
The door, the door, hmmmmm…
*Danys red door from her childhood
*the moon door
*the HoBaW door in braavos
*a metaphorical door, like through time or between life and death
I don’t know, totally guessing, and honestly episode titles are 90% so misleading ill hurt my brain trying to decode it until hindisight is available.
Just two more days until Ep 2.
Dragonmcmx,
It’s not about the running time but the impressive amount of CGI per minutes. It will be glorious and much more epic than anything we’ve seen so far. It won’t be underwhelming.
Dutch Maester,
Helm’s Deep was 15 minutes lol. It’s one of the most epic battle ever seen on screen.
El-Bobbie,
I don’t think that would make much sense, either dramatically or in terms of how Bran would see one part and then several episodes later come back for the remainder.
It could be metaphorical, certainly, but I think this is fairly solid evidence that
Pounce,
And white walkers! Maybe! I think that’s plenty interesting. Though I agree it could have other storylines. I meant to say (I think I did say) that they will give it plenty of space and we won’t be disappointed. However, I do think if they wanted to go a full 60 that Sansa, Davos, Jon, Mel, the Boltons, and the whole north gives us plenty of interesting characters.
First off, Hardhome was 28 minutes, not 18. BasBo is nothing like Hardhome though. Hardhome is just talkity talk, and then suddenly massacre massacre and escaping. BasBo is supposed to be a proper full fledged battle. One army vs another army, according to interviews. Nothing like anything the show has done before. If Blackwater needed 50 minutes, and I don’t see them doing something even bigger than that in 30 minutes. But hold on, Hardhome was much bigger than Blackwater? Yes, production and budget wise it was, but look at it this way: Blackwater was a huge navy carrying a huge army besieging a huge city. Hardhome was a huge army of undead overruning a settlement. I really don’t see BasBo happening in 30 minutes.
Lyanna_Targaryen,
Has someone already said the door that Bran opens up by interacting with the past or future? Like when the NK grabs his arm?
Connor,
Especially if our beloved theory is confirmed!
The red door from danys childhood memories is mentioned so many times in the books that I’m sad it hasn’t been mentioned in the show yet. It’s a pity I think it’s too late for them to introduce it, even if now we bave Bran’s visions. I really hope I am wrong though.
Connor,
I read Jack Bender was directing the TOJ fight scene and he is directing episodes 5 and 6. So, if Luke Roberts appears in episode 3, there might be more scenes with Arthur Dayne. In episode 3, there could be a first scene of a conversation between kings guards. Then the proper fight could be in episode 5 and they could leave for another episode the conversation between Ned and Lyanna.
Bran can’t be too much time in a vision.
Ginevra,
you mean Hodoor?
I don’t like this idea. Just show it all in one big sequence, no need to split it up.
When I first heard the title “The Door”, my mind admittedly went straight to the red door in Braavos (or wherever the tinfoil crowd think it actually is) that Dany sees in her dreams. However, I agree with those who have said that they’re not sure how and why that idea would suddenly become relevant now, since it’s never been mentioned on the show.
I don’t think that the title refers to the Moon Door either – we know they dismantled the Eyrie set after Season 4. We may see the Vale again, but I don’t think the show is ever returning to the Eyrie itself. We’ve watched our last bad person fly – at least through that portal. đ
Trying to extrapolating book meanings from episode titles can cut both ways – think about “The Gift” last year. Many book readers (including me) thought that title referred either to ‘the gift of mercy’ or the lands south of the Wall that belong to the Night’s Watch. ‘The Gift’ wound up being Tyrion presenting himself to Daenerys (which, considering how badly I’d been wanting to see those two characters meet, was a gift for me as well). đ
Point being, it’s probably something new.
On the Episode 9 front, I’m thrilled to hear that the episode will be 60 minutes. It does seem like the screentime this year is weighted more heavily towards the second half of the season, which is a promising sign. I hope and expect that the finale will run around an hour or more as well.
I had hoped that Episode 9 might focus entirely on the North, but I don’t know if it’s feasible to do so for 60 minutes. I think the breakdown will be something like this.
–Between 10 and 15 minutes of pre-battle buildup in the North.
–Approximately 25-30 minutes of actual onscreen battle, with all its twists and turns
–About 3-5 minutes of post-battle fallout and reflection
–Factor in about 3 minutes for the opening and closing credits (which count towards the runtime)
Exactly.
Dragonmcmx,
Blackwater was half talk – half actual battle. They can’t do that with BotB, so they won’t spend more than 40-45 minutes in this location. It makes perfect sense.
JustanotherSchemer,
I agree, the thought of having the vision chopped up between episodes is not appealing.
I would love if they explore the house with red door for dany..
There was such a beautiful scene written in the books after dany banishes jorah and hopes he gets home while she searches the house with red door standing on top of pyramid alone and missandei comes to her. .
Similarly I would love if bran gets to see baby daenerys running towards ser willem’s open hands in Bravos ..
For some reason whenever I say the Door in my mind ..the joke from one of the episodes of ” PSYCH” comes to mind
Dutch Maester,
Yes, I believe it will be the Ice and Fire episode. There is no reason to have a BoB for 60 mins, 20-25 is enough. I think that is more than clear.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BEyZgqVKovh/
Lol someone gave that to Sophie at a hotel!
Conan,
haha i was going to say that!
For once this makes sense. The title means Ho-DOOR. It’s the Hodor origin episode we’ve longed for.
I had a feeling TOJ would be across multiple episodes.
Jack Bauer 24,
Should’ve said: “Eat if no.” below that đ
The door….
maybe another door inside the house of black and white .,,…like the ultimate test for arya …..jaqen could be like …..A girl goes inside this door …… blah blah blah blah …..
or maybe bran sees dany’s journey starting with that red door….
or he could see …..ned trying to open a door ….inside a certain tower …..but before he could see him opening it …..someone interrupts him …….and it could be like a big cliffhanger … and we will be like …what’s inside the door …..
or maybe tyrion finds a secret door ……which leads to harpys HQ. .
so many possibilities …..
……
Jared,
Aren’t we getting some Riverlands too?
And those who are saying what will be the point of bringing the house with red door for dany ..
It was not only about dany’s life in bravos as a girl but that is the only place she has ever considered house and she wants to find it again and she believes in finding it in westeros and in KL with their huge green mountains and landscapes ….but when she does go there it will be complete opposite of what she has imagined …
It will be bittersweet once dany realizes she will never get her house with red door and eventually sacrificing herself for the safe and sake of westeros.
The Stranger will show us all to The Door.
Valar Morghulis.
And those who are saying what will be the point of bringing the house with red door for dany ..
It was not only about dany’s life in bravos as a girl but that is the only place she has ever considered house and she wants to find it again and she believes in finding it in westeros and in KL with their huge green mountains and landscapes ….but when she does go there it will be complete opposite of what she has imagined …
It will be bittersweet once dany realizes she will never get her house with red door and eventually sacrificing herself for the safe and sake of westeros.
So anyone guessed any title correctly?
That would be absolutely terrible.
Terrible. It would ruin the whole vision.
We actually have at least 4 long episodes this season (wish they all were 90 min really-there’s just so much story)
While the rest are 51-52 minutes…which could be 45 due to previews and next episode previews etc.
#4 is 59
#5 is 57
#8 is 59
#9 is 60
#10?
I’m just a young girl and do not know the ways of such things…like math, but more can only be good for us.
As for The Door–maybe we’ll have more of an idea what it means by Oathbreaker or book of the Stranger.
Jack Bauer 24,
Are they joking? I really hope so, because if they had watched the premiere, they would know that he is absolutely dead, I mean how much deader can you get?
I hope the lame titles this year aren’t a sign that the writing is going to drop in quality now that we are mostly passed the books?
Maybe someone stumbles into King’s Landing Below and meets Door from Neverwhere?
More seriously, the first two doors that occurred to me were the one behind which Rhaegal and Viserion are kept and the one into the Tower of Joy being blocked by three Kingsguard.
cosca,
That’s quite possible. My original assumption had been that said material would come in Episodes 7, 8, and 10 – taking Episode 9 off. That may be incorrect.
Did somebody see this reaction to the first episode? It’s really funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-FWRXBkH70&spfreload=5
Jack Bauer 24,
It won’t. It will be E3
Jack Bauer 24,
OMG so funny!!!!!
JustanotherSchemer,
thats soooooooooo cute hahaha!
And considering what we know about how episode 4 ends .
Of course there will be other characters related to door but I speaking about dany only
Will anyone get any of these titles right, so out of left field (well Red Woman and Oathbreaker were guessable but I do not think anyone did).
There are much too many doors to guess what this is refering to (and it might be refering to many things). Did not read the entire thread but here are few additions for what I have seen; something to do with Bran seeing through a metaphoric door, Dragons being released (if Tyrion does not do it the next episode).
I’m betting good money that the Riverrun stuff will feature in Episode 8,9 and 10.
Also concerning the Tower of Joy sequence, I think we are getting the full scene in Episode 3, somehow. I hope it won’t be rushed because that one is packed and only 53 minutes long.
Lmfao!! I love the one comment on the video:
“not many people know this, but he was saying “Fuck Olly” in dogďťż”
AHAHA.
We had few pictures of dany leaked last year during shooting
Do we know who was the director and which episode it was meant to be ..
Judging by some past episode titles, like The Climb, I think The Door could refer to both a literal door as well as the metaphorical meaning/s of a door (liminality?).
Fancy word for a sellsword,
What is the connection between titles you don’t like and the quality of writing and why there should be a connection at all? The titles are obviously cryptic this year because they want to avoid expectations and spoilers.
Connor,
i didnt even seee the comment hahahaha
Could it be related to the magic entrance in Bloodraven’s cave maybe?
JustanotherSchemer,
As I was watching this my dog reacted to the dog reacting. Everyone wants Jon to come back.
No idea what the door could be unless its ToJ related.
I’m starting to wonder if they will split up the ToJ stuff. I know Luke Roberts said he was in ep 3 but maybe that’s all we get then, the battle outside the tower/ with the KG. And then later something prompts Bran to go back to that vision and we get the interior ToJ stuff (maybe in The Door). I don’t see them completely spilling that secret this early.
During filming
I’ll take a stab at the show relevance of the red door but it’s spoilery so here goes
My stronger feeling is that “The Door” refers to something we don’t know about yet.
Mag,
toj episode 3
Fancy word for a sellsword,
The episode titles and the writing for the season have absolutely no correlation other than the same people come up with them. But they don’t put nearly the same effort into the former as they do into the latter. You can harbor fears about the writing if you so wish, but the producers work year-round to make each episode of the show as good as they can be. By contrast, they only decide the episode titles after the entire episode has been shot and locked. Scenes can often be shuttled from one episode to another in post-production, so deciding on titles before every aspect of the episode has been finished would be a foolish endeavor. They don’t spend months obsessing over them like fans do.
It’s awesome when we can get a great episode title paired with a great episode – “Kissed by Fire” is probably my favorite episode title in a vacuum, and it’s also a Top 5 episode for the show in my opinion. But I thought that ‘The Lion and the Rose’ and ‘The Mountain and the Viper’ were comparatively lame titles for Episodes 4×02 and 4×08, even they were appropriate. I was hoping for something more stylized for both of those important hours. Guess what? It didn’t hurt the episodes themselves one tiny bit. Both of those hours are Top 10 episodes for the show in my eyes.
Conversely, I love the titles of “The Prince of Winterfell” for 2×08 and “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” for 3×07. Those are two of my five least favorite episodes of the show, even if I still love them both to death.
One of the enduring truths of television shows, television episodes, and for pretty much any work of creative fiction – titles are hard. But if the work is great, they don’t really matter.
WHY ARE PEOPLE SAYING THAT THEY WILL SPLIT TOJ??
I really hope they don’t do it, it would ruin it for me, and everyone.
dothrakian raven,
this person is a troll
(Totally) OT: I’m worried about Sansa being pregnant. If Ramsay was going to her room “every night”, the odds are not in her favor… especially since she was essentially a prisoner and would have no access to moon tea (birth control). I hope I’m wrong….
The Door
Ho Door
Hodor
Hodor = Azor Ahai CONFIRMED
“That man is dead. Aeron had drowned and been reborn from the sea, the god’s own prophet. No mortal man could frighten him, no more than the darkness could . . . nor memories, the bones of the soul. The sound of a door opening, the scream of a rusted iron hinge. Euron has come again. It did not matter. He was the Damphair priest, beloved of the god”
A Feast for Crows pg. 25
Its the Ironborn. Has to be.
Firannion,
Yes! Neverwhere- must be Bloodraven’s cave.
Connor,
“Fuck Olly” LOL. Wait, was that Summer? Well, now we know what’s up with the Weirwood Network and Bran’s (tele)visions…
What are the odds that Euron will be making his debuts this Sunday ?
Danielle Stark,
Well that would suck.
Though if the Boltons get wiped out (I think Roose will die, not sure about Ramsay but i sure hope so), then maybe it wont matter so much?? He will be raised a Stark.
This reminds of Sansa’s conversation with Cersei, about having children with Joffrey (who is crazy), and her whole love no one but your children lecture. Fitting that she ended up with another psycho.
Connor,
I also prefer to watch all the flashback in one episode. But I was expecting the TOJ for episode 5, not 3. It would be cool if there is more of Arthur Dayne though … We’ll see what happened soon.
Welcome to my world. I like the idea that book readers are on the same playing field as us show (only) watchers. I think most of us can’t figure out why everyone is so upset about the Dorn story line. I personally like where they are going with this season (strong women).
I like the idea that “The Door” refers to possibility a door between life and death.
Why? Bran could glimpse it in episode 3 but not be able to see it whole, and then we see it in its entirety in context later. However, I think the original reports may have been wrong and we’ll see it all in episode 3, and that it will be seen alongside Jon’s resurrection (just before, probably).
Connor,
Why would that ruin it for you? They could show the fight outside in one flashback, and Ned’s revelations inside in another, easily enough. They have to build up the whole thing- I wouldn’t be surprised if we get a harrenhall flashback just to show us
THAT would gut me
Vegodread,
Reallly? You like Dorne?? Why??? The Sand Snakes are very annoying. They killed his uncle and cousin as if they weren’t family … And they fight between them as little girls.
Deesensfan,
That is an interesting point- she would actually be taking Cersei’s words to heart. (vomit)… But yeah, I hope she isn’t pregnant, yet I could see it happening this way
Mag,
Different people have different opinions.
What a shock..
Luka Nieto,
I dont know what vision you are talking about
but i will marry you if this happens in episode 3.
hahaahha
Be more vague GoT titles!! đ
Pounce,
High.
That could be the end of the Iron Islands for the episode, but perhaps we’ll also see the fallout – Euron declaring himself King, and Yara briefly dealing with the fallout of her father’s murder as she gears up to challenge her uncle’s claim.
Perhaps the Damphair will also debut. I read an interesting idea from a fellow commenter (sorry, I don’t remember who) that perhaps Aeron will be merged with Rodrik the Reader, and be less of a misogynist than he is the novels. That would make sense, since Victarion is cut and Yara will be absorbing the relevant parts of his storyline.
Something like that, I agree. I’d say episode three has the scenes outside the tower and episode five then deals with Lyanna and Ned. You also have to remember that most casual viewers still don’t know about that theory, so giving them some clues to put it all together before they finally reveal it a week or two later makes a lot of sense. It would also fit nicely with what seems like the most likely time for Jon’s return, which I expect to take place in episode 5 or 6.
Mag,
I like dorne also.
Sister Kisser,
Vomit x 10.
I know, i hope not either.
Kristy G.,
We have seen Jaqen removing that guy’s face and it’s through a doorway.
Just throwing that out there…
Conan,
That is my favorite comment so far! đ
Jared,
Oh boy !!!! Next episode sounds really good.
Hardly…
they had Sansa jump off a wall and race through the woods….I dont think they are gonna make her do that AND be carrying Ramsay spawn..
If they split the Tower of Joy into multiple episodes then all they’re really doing is stalling for time with Jon Snow. If it is going to be this early in the season I don’t think he’ll be resurrected before we see the entirety of the event. It’s a gamble. Multiple episodes may not have the impact you want of this sequence. Also its been a 10 month cliff hanger on what becomes of Jon Snow. Continuing to drag this along 3, 4, maybe even 5 episodes…is it really a good idea? At some point that impact will be lost too.
Fancy word for a sellsword,
Hopefully this means they focused more on the actual episodes, instead of making up episode titles.
I think episode 3 will feature a vision of the Kingsguard outside the Tower having a cryptic discussion, and the actual battle and resulting shocking revelation will be in episode 5 or 6. We know for a fact that Jack Bender directed the battle at the TOJ, and he is directing episodes 5 and 6. I seriously doubt they’d move that big of a sequence and moment out of his episode.
Wow, what interesting original titles.
I think it’s a good bet Sansa is pregnant – I believe it was foreshadowed a lot in season 5.
For example:
– Ramsey comes every night
– Roose Et Al talking about needing an Heir
– Fat Walda being pregnant
– Tyrion never touching her…
Deesensfan,
I’ll have an electrolyte I.V. ready for you for the ep10 reveal
Dragonmcmx,
Wtf is BasBo ?? :O
Jerkface,
We are though.
Even I as a book-reader don’t know where the story goes.
Really it’s only Jaime and the II that we know a bit about, but we don’t know what Jaime will do the first part of the season or the end.
And we know about 60% of the ironborn story.
That’s about it, the rest is firmly past the books.
Ok, ok, I got it now. I just really want it to happen all at once. I am just too excited for it, lol.
Inquisitor1961,
filming stuff.
“I was saying ‘BOO-URNS.”
Mag,
And Tyrion killed the woman he loved and his father. Shouldn’t we like him too according to your criteria?
Tyrion Pimpslap,
Was Bender actually sighted at the Zafra Castle? I don’t remember how we became so sure the TOJ sequence would be part of a Bender episode, though I remember being sure of it. Now… I’m not so sure. Wouldn’t it make sense to do the whole vision reveal along with the likely resurrection, after all?
Not me. Much less a battle for 60 minutes.
“If the doors of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro’ narrow chinks of his cavern.”
I believe it has to do with Bran.
Kay,
Yeah, I just don’t get it. I’m sure the Northern storyline will take up at least 30 minutes of the episode, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it even takes up 40 to 45 minutes of the whole thing! But the battle itself? How many minutes of uninterrupted fighting? 30 minutes would be absolutely overkill!
Inquisitor1961,
Luka Nieto,
Or Jon would be resurrected at the end of Ep 2 and in Ep 3 we get ToJ as an explanation of why Jon is important . I know Ep 3 is more likely, I just want it to happen ASAP đ .
I think the writing for Dorn is week no doubt, but, I do like the idea of strong women. I’m hopful the writers will redeem themselves. The dialog when Ellaria Sand stabbed Doran was a step in the right direction – (a weak man will never rule Dorn again). Perfect.
Kay,
60 minutes of time spent in that one location != 60 minutes of continuous fighting.
Sean C.,
Maybe after all Daeny is Rhaegar’s daughter true too along with Jon and they explain house with the red door? Just bringing up the ideas but there is literally no set up for it. The Door is one of the vaguest titles we’ve ever seen.
ghost of winterfell,
Patience young one.
Our Lord Jon Snow will be revived on the 3rd day. It is known.
Mihnea,
Ha ha.. If only it were a matter of 3 days instead of 3 weeks!!
Hope episode 9 is like Hard home both in terms of quality and pattern..and we get other story arcs in the first half and battle in the second half
ghost of winterfell,
I have the same hope, but not the expectation. Lately, all the clues seem to point to Oathbreaker being the key episode, personally.
selena,
its possible the night before the jump was the night the child was conceived. dont think she was months pregnant during the jump
though, i hope shes not pregnant at all
Sister Kisser,
God knows i will need it.
Vegodread,
this. loved that dialogue.
Bender didn’t direct episode 3.
I still don’t understand why folks think Jon will not be resurrected until Episode 5 – from a storytelling point of view, it’s just bad.
– What are they going to do with his body?
– Are they going to stop time at Castle Black for days on end?
– What about the running comment that the bodies must be burnt before nightfall?
– Are we going to have a Weekend at Bernie’s type of a thing?
Kay,
It’s not just fighting. Much like with Hardhome, pre battle speech or something that leads to fighting. Good 30/35 minutes will go to the battle. Rest of the episode to others. You don’t spend four weeks of shooting and doing biggest battle yet to have it only for like smaller part of episode. Bigger part of the episode will be spend on the Battle for the North.
Jack Bauer 24,
Barristan’s death was written and shot to be in Season 5 episode 6, but was moved to episode 4 in post production. Noone said that they can’t do the same with ToJ.
Vegodread,
Riiight? I believe the shock of the scene made people not pay attention to Ellaria’s wonderful speech, which rivals (and effectively substitutes!) Doran’s “Fire and Blood” speech from the books:
Josh L.,
I’m fairly certain Jack Bender was the director when filming for ToJ was done, so it can only be in episode 5 or 6.
Looking at the HBO schedule, we have some pretty long episodes this season, ep 2 is 54 mins, 3 is 53, 4 59, 5 is 57, 6 is 52, 7 is 51, 8 is 59 and 9 is 60 mins, not bad not bad
Luka Nieto,
The speech was good, but that final bit was a bit cringey. Almost as if “LETS SHOVE AS MUCH FEMINISM AS WE CAN IN THERE”.
It really seems like the producers choose the most basic titles on purpose in order to not spoil even tiniest bit of the story. It’s a smart choice imo but it is also a bit irritating that after the great episode titles from the previous seasons this one gets such lame ones.
I don’t like to sit through battles for a long time. So, just extras falling dead and bodies piling up and more people arriving on horses in an increasingly dreary landscape, is not my preference.
That said, one of the things I love about GoT is that multiple storylines with many characters and many locales go on at once, giving an idea of the grand/epic scale of the story. This is why the battle at Castle Black episode is one I have almost never rewatched. Blackwater was fine, because of the many characters involved and many set pieces. I would not enjoy even 40 minutes of a battle outside Winterfell, and some scenes inside (since Winterfell is not King’s Landing in terms of sets etc.)
I believe I understand that perfectly. But 60 minutes in ONE location with a FEW characters is an idea that’s extremely boring for me. Obviously not for you! đ
30-35 minutes or about half the episode for that ENTIRE sequence, sounds perfectly fine to me!
Luka Nieto:
I think it will be something like what you describe. We’re basing the idea of the ToJ being in Episodes 5 or 6 on the filming reports that Jack Bender was in Spain and in the area at the time. As of this moment, it seems likely that he filmed scenes at Castillo de Zafra. We have no reason to doubt that. But at least as far as I know, we don’t have anything specifying that Daniel Sackheim, director of E3 and E4, wasn’t there. Perhaps they both were. It’s also possible that Bender shot the sequence and then it was moved out of his episode, but that seems like it would be a dramatic restructuring of the season’s most dramatic arc quite late in the production process (and not the best way to treat a director who handled one of the most important sequences in the entire show).
Once Bran learns about his brother’s return to life through the weirwood network and shares in the audience’s joy, he asks the same question that the audience is also asking: why was it so important that Jon came back? The Three-Eyed Raven relents, and they revisit the full memory together in E5/E6. Meanwhile, Jon is struggling with his own feelings about what his resurrection means. Perhaps Bran finds a way to reach out to him in that moment of uncertainty, and give him the boost he needs to become a new kind of leader in the home stretch of the season. Just an idea.
“The Door”
As in, lock “the door” of the banquet hall and bring some Northern retribution to the Lannisters and Freys!
“Now yous can’t leave.” – Chazz Palminteri
I get you, but I think that just because we’re used to constantly jumping between different characters and locations doesn’t mean that a long sequence that doesn’t do that can’t be interesting.
I’m not an f’n troll. Yes, maybe the titles are super simple and vague to avoid spoilers. Seems like a legit reason.
However, for the past five seasons the titles have been poetic and intriguing and now that we are mostly off book, they are boring and vague. How many great moments on the show have come straight out of the books? Now that they are working off a rough outline instead of GRRM completed work, I am concerned about the show maintaining it’s high standards for quality, and would hate to see it turn it to The Shannara Chronicles in it’s final act. I hope the lame titles aren’t an early sign of a drop off.
I don’t think it’s fair to label someone as a troll just because they express an opinion different from your own. Grow up.
Hodor opened the wrong door while playing in Winterfell and came face to face with an ice spider dragon. It is known.
If you’re not a troll, and other people think you are, you may want to reconsider your approach.
*Davos voice*: Just one man’s opinion.
Dragonmcmx,
I didn’t see it as that.
Well there was a bit of ”feminism” in there but to me it worked well.
I watched the hystory and lore videos, and Ellaria speaks with great respect and awe about Meriah and Nymeria.
She sees Doran and Trystane as weak and wants to return Dorne to what she considers their ”golden age” when Nymeria and Meriah ruled. It had a bit of ”feminism” in there, but I thought it worked nice.
That’s how I saw it at least.
Mihnea,
Hmm, true. All I want is someone to say to her and the snakes something along the lines of: “If only Oberyn could see you now.”
Dragonmcmx,
I agree.
To me that makes it even better though..
Blackwater spanned one while episode because there was the preparations for the war on both sides – Tyrion and Stannis. Not to mention the Sansa and Cersei scenes. Watchers on the wall was normal length, and we got a glimpse of Wildling side too. In case of Bastardbowl, it seems only Ramsay will be on the opposite side as a familiar character. I really don’t want to see that battle last one hour.
Door could be anything, but first thing that came to my mind was HoBaW. Then there is the tower of joy door, or even the Nightfort or Riverrun doors. I will be most excited if the Door refers to Nightfort.
I’m not even bothering with these tittles.
To me, without context, they mean nothing.
I found ”the mountain and the viper” a very poor title, especially after a very similar tittle was used for EP2, but that episode was among my top 10 easly.
I also found ”lord Snow” to be a very poor tittle.
Same with ”the gift”. Without book context, it’s normal not to get hyped just because of the tittles alone. It’s the episode itself that gives the tittles meaning.
… And I respect your opinion đ
But I don’t wish to pander to people who want to act like 12 year old girls.
I like reading many the comments here. Some posters are insightful and clever, but some will just ‘OMG’ and throw tantrums at any opinions that fall outside their own.
I’m just a lightning rod for vitriol. It’s not done on purpose. That’s just me đ
“There are no men like me. Only me” đ
PS – 12 year old girls should NOT watch this show. Lol
This whole “Is Jon Snow dead?” is well past its sell by date. The actors (and especially Kit Harington), B&W, et al – must be totally pissed off being asked the same old question over the last 10 months.
IMHO, the simple answer is YES – Jon Snow is dead! The question would have been better worded and more concise as something like – “Kit – are you returning to GoT in Season 6 but getting resurrected as another character?”
Of course, he and the other actors and show runners wouldn’t answer that question either, but they could simply say – “Just watch the show when it airs and you’ll find out either way!” đ
Only Game of Thrones is an episode title considered a “leak”. Never seen anything like this before.
dothrakian raven,
How can you compare Tyrion with the Sand Snakes???? We know everything Tywin did to him and Tyrion is an interesting character … The Sand Snakes are killing his father’s family to avenge his father. If Oberyn wanted to kill his brother, he would have done it years ago. And Oberyn said they didn’t hurt little girls. They destroyed Oberyn’s legacy … And they are all bastards, it’s hard to believe the rest of the families would allow them to rule Dorne.
They should have gone to King’s Landing to kill Cersei as his father wanted to kill Tywin and The Mountain…
Mag,
I liked that they are very different then Oberyn.
And if the soldiers where with Ellaria I think it’s safe to say most of Dorne will support her, especially if this means war with the Lannisters.
No one really loved Doran. From the very first scene we hear Ellaria say how the entire country wants war.
Mag,
The only thing that excites me about Dorne is the fact that I haven’t the foggiest idea where that story is going. Not one.
I just hope it goes somewhere.
JustanotherSchemer,
Really great… I loved it đ
Erm why are people acting like the titles have been so incredibly imaginative the last few years? I’m surprised people care that much about titles in a negative way – to me they just excite me because it’s more new information, not that I’d ever be disappointed with an episode title?
We probably only think some of them are great because we knew they were going off book materials and had to have a twist to not reveal it exactly what they were. “Baylor” for Ned’s execution, “The Rains of Castamere” instead of the Red Wedding. They weren’t like shockingly ingenious, but they jumped out to us because we knew what they signified in some ways and it excited the hell out of us.
In this case, we don’t know what they signify, so they don’t seem poetic or brilliant yet.
Meanwhile, there were plenty of whatever titles. Yes, “Hardhome”, “Blackwater”, were just brilliant (?) titles? But those were two of the best GOT episodes by far. “The Mountain and the Viper” had some of my favorites scenes and it’s a whatever title.
The Door is no different than The Climb – will make sense when it’s aired. I love “Book of the Stranger” and “Oathbreaker” is such a great parallel to “Oathkeeper.”
Dragonmcmx,
It’s not about Oberyn anymore.
Mihnea,
But Doran was wise .. If they had gone to war before, they would have lost. Only now with Danny and the dragons they have a chance …
I’m not sure that I like this title now, but I’ll wait to see the episode itself before I judge it. I have nothing to even guess about this one…Bran is a door to the past?
I initially thought the premiere would end with Jon’s resurrection, but after hearing about all the flashbacks it seems clear that the show will be using them to set up his resurrection. The first episode was stuffed already: They had to resolve stuff first, which pretty much took the entire hour, so they can’t reintroduce Bran’s plot before episode two. Then you’ll likely have a couple of other flashbacks to make the audience familiar with how those things work and start with smaller ones, before you can get to the first big gun with the ToJ.
So if they don’t bring him back before the mystery about his parentage is resolved (and it seems logical they would wait for that, so the audience can understand what it truly means), it’s really episode 5 at the earliest. And with the battle outside of the ToJ filmed in Bender’s episodes (didn’t know that before, but it makes it even more obvious to me), I think it’s safe to say that he’ll not be back until after we’ve seen that, which means no earlier than episode 5 or 6.
As for how much time will pass at the Wall: I think this will happen in the span of a couple of days. The next few weeks at CB will then probably take up far less screen time. If we even get many scenes after his resurrection, maybe we’ll just follow Davos, Sansa et al while Jon is recovering and only see him again in episode nine. The show has always been vague about time and sometimes, we skip weeks between scenes in a location or when characters are travelling, so I can totally see this working.
It’s about Littlefinger rethinking his ladder position and now chaos is a door. Or something.
I’m guessing it has something to do with the House of Black and White. Maybe we’ll finally see how the faces are made. Or it’s the door from the TOJ lol
Conan Troutman,
That’s going to be a really bad arc for a main character imo. He shouldn’t be MIA for half a season.
Josh L.,
lol An actor who’s a big part of a scene would know when it happens. We also have the photo and the description matching the event. it’s happening in episode 3, accept it.
Conan Troutman,
TOJ is happening in episode 3. It’s been confirmed.
You know a corpse starts rotting, they cannot stall the resurrection.
Darjan,
Daniel Sackheim was also near the location at the time of TOJ filming. We cannot assume based on the supposed sightings of the director.
Mihnea,
“On the third day he rose again in accordance with the Scriptures”. đ
Connor,
I hope they don’t split it as well. Besides the confusion that might cause for casuals , does GoT really need more cheap cliffhangers like some other show I know *cough* TWD *cough*. Splitting such an epic scene/moment up would ruin it imo.
Looking at how long some of the episodes from the second half of the season are, makes me even more annoyed by the premiere. Precious time….wasted.
Also, sequences move around. It’s confirmed in the inside episodes for season 5. Particular scenes can be pushed forward or back in the post-production. This happened to Barristan and Dany’s scene in episode 4. It wasn’t in that episode originally and wasn’t filmed by its designated director. So we can’t really tell when a certain scene will happen in the season even if we know who filmed it. And in TOJ’s case we don’t even know that much.
Fancy word for a sellsword,
I think pretty much the only difference in the titles this season is that there aren’t clear references to something from the books (unless you count “The Red Woman” as one), so they don’t get those “I know what that means” -feels. “Book of The Stranger” and “Oathbreaker” for example are very good titles in my opinion. And even if “Home” and “The Door” feel like boring titles now, we will probably see in the episodes what they are referring to and respect the titles more.
The titles I’m interested in are for E9 and E10.
I agree. If we did not have books to speculate, many of the previous titles would have sounded generic and bland. Example: Lord Snow, Baelor, The Climb, The Gift, The Children, Two Swords, Wars to Come etc. Even after reading the books, some of these titles give no clue about the content, but generally after watching the episode it makes sense.
Destin,
Ha!
Geesh I was busy all day and come home to find three new posts all with over 100 comments each. You guys are going to wear out my eyes before sunday…
TOJ won’t happen in episode 3. It will be too early since they will have to show the context in which that event happened. Setting up that context itself will probably require 2 episodes.
In the books Danny constantly has dreams of the Red Door thing, but I rather doubt they are going to introduce that this late? Although, they just did the Mel glamour thing after six seasons, so I dunno…Yet another intriguing title…
Maybe D&D paint the door to the TOJ red, just to play with the fans a bit. LOL
Didn’t GRRM mention something about A Door being related to Hodor’s name origin to some journalist in an elevator or something? Maybe the Ho-door jokes are actually closer to the truth…. Who knows! Just gimme gimme gimme more episodes now HBO Haha
Hold the Door
https://ventrellaquest.com/2014/04/20/got-got/
There’s also the crackpot theory that Hodor is
My guess would be sansa showing up at the door at castle black which then starts the war
About TOJ being split
And just adding my 2 cents on episode 9, I would HATE if the entire thing is focused on the battle. As much as I enjoyed Blackwater and WOTW, I really missed having other storylines in those episodes. Especially that we’re so close to the end, I’d rather get bits of other storylines instead of some super long battle or setup for a battle.
Ginevra,
Hordoor, bran is going through doors, possible futures, one door JS was murdered…..
I expected Ep6x01 to end with the Wildlings crashing Thorne’s petty siege as the end for that episode, since it seemed easy to do timewise. How would 40’ish Nightswatch members even begin to fight off a surprise attack of even a small contingent of Loyalists, Wildlings + Direwolf and Giant? That wouldn’t take a lot of screentime. Considering how 6×01 was so short and how Arya’s scene could easily be a second episode scene, they could’ve done it.
So BasBo could be split into two episodes.. with their penchant for cliffhangers apparently..
Kristy G.,
So do I đ and door is an such an universal symbol.
My first thoughts were: change, end and beginning, turning point.
Icekhione,
If episode 9 isn’t ‘The Winds of Winter’ I’ll eat my hat.
And to continue the tradition, I expect episode 10 to be something like
WRT: The Door, I’m reminded of this:
HERMAN’S HERMITS LYRICS
“This Door Swings Both Ways”
Everyone’s life is bittersweet
It’s a door that opens wide
And no man can call himself complete
‘Til he’s seen it from both sides
This door swings both ways
It’s marked ‘in’ and ‘out’
Some days you’ll want to cry
And some days you will shout
This door swings both ways
It goes back and forth
In comes a southern breeze
Or a cold wind from the north
This door swings both ways
Lets in joy and pain
In comes the morning sun
And then the evening rain
This door swings both ways
Lets in dark and light
Every day you make the choice
To let in wrong or right
When shadows fall
You must prepare yourself for sunshine
For everything there is an end
And so my friend you must be brave
This door swings both ways
Which one will it be?
Will we live in happiness
Or dwell in misery?
This door swings both ways
Lets in earth and sky
Make the most of livin’
If you’re not prepared to die
Make the most of livin’
If you’re not prepared to die
Pounce,
Cool! Seems like the run times get longer throughout the season which is good.
The cast list is curious though. It starts with:
Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey, Emilia Clarke, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Aidan Gillen, Iain Glen, Kit Harington, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams
and then all the others alphabetically. And yet Sophie just got her first single billing in the credits and Maisie is still mentioned together with i think Conleth. And yet Indira Varma is mentioned before both despite having a small role with little relevance to the main plot (and i hope that remains true). Curious. I dont think anyone will argue who have more impact on the show and fans here. Is it an age thing again?! Cause as far as acting status goes both have easily surpassed Varma as well. I dont see Indira Varma in X-men and Maisie seems to be booking new movies every week now.
I agree with you 100%! Blackwater worked not only because of the beautiful wildfire special effects, but also because the focus kept shifting from the battlefront to what was going on inside the Red Keep: the human drama, with characters we know and care about. The Battle of Castle Black, for all its impressive camerawork, spent far too much time on anonymous characters hacking at each other, which gets old really fast. I am really hoping that the Winterfell battle will cut away frequently to smaller, more intimate interchanges.
Wow, haven’t thought of that song in half a hundred years! Thanks for transporting me back to being 12 years old, with a crush on Peter Noone!
Raynald Westerling,
Or would he really be expanding across the red sea? A house with a red door and a lemon tree… there are no lemon trees in Bravos, but there are in Dorne….