There’s been some confusion today over Sophie Turner and whether or not the actress is filming Game of Thrones in Northern Ireland at the moment.
We now have information from our sources that have settled the matter.
SPOILERS beyond this point!
Earlier today, @IrishThrones tweeted that Sophie Turner was on location with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Gwendoline Christie, leading fans to believe that Sansa would be at Riverrun in season 6. Turner has not been spotted filming Riverrun scenes as far as any other sources are aware of, so it was quite a surprise.
Irish S6 locale Corbet-Banbridge,as well as Nikolaj Costerwaldau(Jaime),Gwendoline Christie(Brienne)also Sophie Turner (Sansa) on location.
— Irish Thrones (@IrishThrones) October 20, 2015
The question was complicated somewhat when it was announced that Turner will be starring in a new Huffington Post webseries called #PowerShift, at a press conference this morning.
Initial articles made it appear she was present at the London conference, which would’ve made her filming in Corbet-Banbridge very unlikely. However, later articles and photos showed Turner appeared at the conference only via a video.
We checked in with our own sources to resolve the question, and we’ve learned that there are in fact two Game of Thrones units at Banbridge’s Linen Mill Studios shooting today, on different sets. The studios house more than one filming area, of course. Our sources have confirmed that while Sophie Turner was at the Banbridge studios, she was not filming on the Riverrun set.
Los Siete Reinos‘s sources also confirm that Sophie Turner is not filming on the Riverrun set.
So that settles that. If Sansa is not at Riverrun, where do you think she’ll be in season 6?
Castle Black.
Also… Hodor.
With Stannis, ruling the north and slaughtering Boltons
Flaying Ramsay.
Bride of Hodor.
I do not like Sansa. Too uptight and boring.
Ah. So that’s what that was all about.
Does this confirm they’re using three units this year btw?
Mole’s Town, where she will meet Snowheart
Where DO show versions of LSH go?
Maybe she will be back in the Vale or with Northern Lords.
The North.
I feel like Sansa is who we’re most in the dark with this year
and that annoys me since it’s not like we can speculate off the books with her anymore
Hodor’s Bastard,
I see what you did there
jamie will deliver sansa to the blackfish?
I am confused… it’s this the same set a few miles away from the Corbet location you wrote NCW was shooting the other day??
There must be 4 units.. Riverrun,Dany-Tyrion, Dorne and this…
Maybe North? Is any Northern Lord casting shooting now?
watcher in the brothel,
LoL
Good. That is all. 🙂
My feeling is that D&D are edging her back towards wherever it is that GRRM has her going in the books, but with one more slight sidestep to do a couple of LSH-like story bits, on the way. The repeated shadowy hooded looks last season just seems too “foreshadowy.”
Wherever CH went.
Deepwood motte!
And last year too.
Didn’t they have a CGI ship in there? https://watchersonthewall.com/the-season-6-return-of-a-character-confirmed/
Could be Sansa is filming some scenes with the Ironborn. Makes sense since Theon is going to be with the Ironborn.
So that information that she won’t be at the set until Dec is false? Good.
Maggie,
They have many indoor studio locations in Corbet so I don’t think we can deduce anything about her storyline (the constant problem with indoor scenes).
Thanks Sue!
So let’s speculate…
Is Sophie filming with Carice who is also back in Westeros then ?
Or perhaps they’re doing a photoshoot like Lena, Emilia and Nathalie…
Another character is back says L7R!
http://lossietereinos.com/el-regreso-de-dorne-yunkai-y-las-fotos-del-rodaje-en-mesa-roldan/
Good she won’t be in the Riverlands. I can go back to being happy about this season now.
I know this site and Los Siete Reinos have clearly stated that Brienne will be in Riverrun. But now that we know there are two units on location can you confirm again that Brienne is in Riverrun and not with Sansa?
I dunno. The simplest answer would seem to be her meeting with/protected by/inspiring Jon and/or the pro Stark northern Lords.
A bit less likely but perhaps more intriguing would be her taking on a revenge oriented storyline in place of LSH.
Haven’t been able to get these spoiler tags to work so here’s some
SPOILER
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[ spoiler ] kill a few Freys and Boltons and perhaps command Brienne to bring her Jamie. I don’t know if Brienne could technically be considered “sworn” to Sansa but it wouldn’t take much for her to transfer the oath she made to Kat to Sansa. [ / spoiler]
Laura,
I don’t think Brienne will head to the Riverlands right away. My prediction is this: Brienne will find Sansa outside of Winterfell somehow and escort her (and presumably Theon) to Castle Black where Jon will hopefully be among the living again. At some point Brienne will likely spill the beans that Arya is still alive, and Sansa will task her with returning to the Riverlands to find her (while Jon and Sansa likely work on locating Bran and Rickon).
That just seems like the most logical path for the story to follow given what we know. Of course what happens when Brienne returns to the Riverlands is anyone’s guess… although I’m actually hoping now (partly because of you and other truthers) that there’s a different “living” Stark waiting for her there. What is hype may never die.
Was Gwendoline Christie filming with the Riverrun group or with Sophie Turner’s group?
Thank god Sansa is not at Riverrun – the
I’m also worried about Sansa … It’s not like every year where we get updates on where turner is and who she’s shooting with … Which leads me to believe either she dies this season (NO PLEASE NO ILL CRY FOR DAYS) or D&D are just putting her aside for this year so the other stories catch up … At this point the timeline is all over the place so honestly we have no clue what’s going on but I will seriously be depressed if she doesn’t survive till the end … And I’ve heard plenty of people say she’s boring and shit but honestly she’s like a real person from our world thrust into this harsh world and shes honestly been through a lot
Kit was spotted arriving at Belfast airport yesterday, so I choose to believe that Sophie is filming with him. Because Starks reuniting is a thing that needs to happen.
I want to know about Maisie :((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
Sansa’s Knight,
We didn’t have updates last year.
I think Sansa will have a part to play in this snow battle with the Boltons, too, so, likely, she, Rickon, Osha are up north, while Brienne/Pod head to the Riverlands (for Arya?) where they’ll run into Jamie/Bronn. My guess – and that’s all it is – is that Sansa ends up Queen Regent of the Winterfell by season’s end, which is a nice mirror to all those lessons in ruling she got from Cersei in S2.
Thank God. When I was scrolling down the page and saw that Sophie Turner was on location with Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Gwendoline Christie, my heart sank into my stomach. I’m generally very open minded when it comes to speculating about where the various storylines might go and where the travels of certain characters might lead them. But I do not want Sansa to go to the Riverlands (or, for that matter, to the Iron Islands or back to the Vale) in Season 6. Not after everything she went through in Season 5, not with where I expect her story will eventually lead her in the novels, and certainly not with everything we know is happening in the North in Season 6. I firmly believe that she will stay in North – the writers made sure to get her there for a reason, not just because they needed something for her to do. But every time I see people wondering if that she will leave to go to Riverrun, I wince. I supported Sansa’s marriage to Ramsay because I have full confidence that the payoff will be worth it. The only thing that could ruin that belief is if Sansa leaves the North just as the climax of the Boltons’ storyline is approaching.
As such, I breathed a huge sigh of relief when I continued to read and saw that the production using more than one set at the moment, with Turner was filming on the one that wasn’t Riverrun. Maybe now that line of theories will cool down a little.
I’m not entirely sure how exactly Sansa will fit into all of the major events that are happening around Winterfell this season. We have a few months to figure that out. But whatever happens, she belongs in the North – for this season, and hopefully future seasons to come.
Colour me intrigued. Sansa is the wildcard this season for sure!
If Carice and Kit are there we will know for sure…if a person noticed these three actors….there is no way they will not notice JON SNOW alive and filming in woods with Melisande and Sansa Stark…
Jared,
I agree. Young Sansa believed she would find refuge in the South, but no, she is of the North.
ANYwhere, as long as it’s NOT still locked in a room at Winterfell, pregnant, with a broken leg and Ramsay hissing in her face, with his handprints all over her body. I don’t care if every law of physics and storytelling must be broken, please make her have gotten away from those psychos.
Laura,
I mean, it’s starting to come together and make more sense. Not saying it will def happen b/c right now there’s no way of knowing, but dammit I really really really really want it to happen.
Surely Sansa and Theon will both be in Wheelchairs after their “aim for the bushes” moment in the S5 finale.
Interesting that Irishthrones was correct after all even though many here have dismissed him/her.
I never understood why that was- their info always seemed fairly legit to me (Although I confess I’ve only been following for a cope of months).
My guess is Sansa and Theon run into Brienne and Pod in episode 1. We know where Theon and Brienne are heading so I’m leaning on a Sansa/Pod brother hunt.
As an aside, just looking at that still at the top reminds me, Damn, Sophie is pretty.
Apollo,
It seems to me like IrishThrones doesn’t have any actual reliable top sources like Sue does, but whoever he/she is, they are very resourceful. I like them. It’s nice to have another source of reports to bounce off of WotW.
I was in the middle of writing my typical hater rant until I read “Los Siete Reinos‘s sources also confirm that Sophie Turner is not filming on the Riverrun set.” 🙂
If she’s filming in Nov/Dec I’m sure she’ll have plenty of story in S6 before she kicks it. That said, so much is going on with so many characters that there likely won’t be the same amount of time as last year.
Maybe not, but I’ve yet to see any examples of them being outright wrong. The whole LSH leading an army thing was clearly reported as rumour by IT.
Steven,
Nope. It’s Bran.
Like I said upthread, I don’t give a hoot for the laws of physics, or logic, the strain of disbelief, or any damned thing, as long as they get Sansa the f**k away from Ramsay. Yeah, logically, surviving that jump would be a long shot. Don’t care in this case. Show both of them getting up, dusting off the snow, and beating it merrily the heck out of there to … somewhere, anywhere else.
I couldn’t stand even one more episode of her being mistreated, especially after she’s tried to escape at the expense of what’s-her-name who got smooshed into the courtyard. Ramsay will be buzzed bonkers with anger, it will be too horrible to watch. Just get her out of there.
Well I have a bit of a theory of my own for the upcoming season.
* Spoiler Alert * Based on filming details from the past while.
I think that Sansa, Brienne and Jaime were just being used as gap fillers last season but that this season we will see a return to their book storylines.
Bear with me:
So after Theon and Sansa escape Winterfell, They are discovered by Brienne and Pod and they venture down South (if they dont meet trouble along the way it would be ridiculous considering they’re surrounded by Bolton territory… But then again it looks like they may be busy with a large Northern war). So, once they reach an area around the Inn at the Crossroads, Sansa begins to explain that she doesn’t have a home anymore. Winterfell is in ruins and her entire family are dead. She was only safe when she was with lord Baelish in the Vale. So she returns to the Vale, Theon (not sure how, perhaps he runs away and bumps into Yara) returns to the iron islands. And then Brienne goes to Riverrun. Now, I don’t think LSH will feature this season for some reason so I have some little theories as to what Brienne’s motivation will be.
1. She leaves Sansa safely at the Vale but is then ambushed by the brotherhood.
2. She returns Sansa to the Vale and lord Baelish informs her that Jaime is sieging Riverrun. This one can go in a few directions.. maybe Petyr tells her to go, maybe sansa does, maybe both or maybe knowing where he is she goes on her own.
3. Finally, I began thinking about the Gravedigger storyline and that maybe Sansa could just run away and that Brienne finds out that Jaime is in Riverrun from a monk or something.
Beyond this, I see Sansa returning to her book storyline in the Vale (George has released a chapter of hers so I assume she’s important in TWOW).
I don’t know what’ll happen to Pod.
And I think Yara will put Theon out of his misery.
Sorry if this theory is a little messy but I just don’t think the showrunners need to stray any more from the book when they have so much material to work with.
Let me know what you guys think 🙂
Can’t wait for the Jon and Sansa sex scene!
Apollo,
True. They haven’t reported anything incorrectly yet.
EDIT: And hopefully they won’t. I’d like there to be some truth to the LSH rumor. Mostly that she will in fact exist in the show-verse.
Indoors. A lot.
YES! love some Sansa news! and very happy to hear she is not part of the Riverrun story..I want her in the north, where she belongs, whatever her story is there.
At the end of the article they mention Myrcellas “destination”? Have I missed something?
I think the same!
Mill,
You’ll be waiting like forever on this. 😀
ChristineMarie,
Carice is in Belfast and now Kit. Since Castle Black scenes and mostly exteriors were already shoot. Either it’s interior or it’s another place and some quarry that had to be built, but it’s not Castle Black one. Might be some place like Last Hearth would make sense.
Robb Snow,
Brienne will escort her (if they meet) to nearest friendly stronghold and not the Wall. It’s just way too easy. They could meet there.
RpCola,
Riverrun.
Lisa0527,
Destino can mean destination and fate. In this case, fate. “Considering Myrcella’s fate, what do you expect of Dorne this season?”
I’m still kinda on the fence with LSH on the show (not even a fan of that storyline in the books but it would really be an amazing shocker on TV).
Although it does seem more likely to me that they’re paving the way for her appearance, more so in this season than I’ve ever thought in the past. Timing needn’t be an issue- there’s gonna be enough references to the RW from the Blackfish alone to jolt the audiences memory (like they’d ever forget anyway).
Geralt of Rivia,
How can they know for sure nearby strongholds are friendly though? I’d be willing to bet some of the other lords would readily turn Sansa and Theon back over to the Boltons, if not out of loyalty than out of fear.
What Brienne and Sansa do know is that Jon Snow is at Castle Black and would almost certainly do everything in his power to keep Sansa safe… especially as Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch.
If nothing else, I think they’ll at least attempt to get to Castle Black. If the way is too dangerous, they just might take their chances elsewhere.
The changes they’ve already made make that impossible.
Ravyn,
Minor point, but in any regent scenario Sansa’s title would be Princess Regent (or Lady Regent). A Queen Regent is somebody who has a queenly position, as consort/dowager; Sansa is neither.
As to the OP, interesting. I guess Ria must not have gotten a completely accurate picture of Sophie’s travel schedule (hardly surprising, in casual conversation).
I really hope the plan is to circle back to book-verse and have Sansa return to the Vale. I wasn’t crazy about her season 5 story arc, even without the wedding night nightmare. Season 4 left us with an upswing. Lying for Petyr, the whole “I know what you want.”, black dress “Darth” Sansa craziness. It felt as if she was going to start “playing” the game with Petyr, albeit a little, not for him. It was just a tough to stomach half a season of her being the victim. She’s tough and not so foolish anymore. I can’t see her going anywhere with Brienne or, especially, Jaime. It all screams Lannister and I can’t see someone whose last shred of trust was laid on Baelish, being a willing travel companion with either character.
Robb Snow,
Tyrion made sure that Pod knows which house is friendly to whom. Umbers to Starks etc. Sansa told Theon that her family still has friends and Umbers are fierce when it comes to Starks. Like Mormonts, Glovers and others. Karstarks are the only one who would be willing to hand her and Theon to Boltons. Robb beheaded their Lord. North Remembers after all.
No doubt they will try to make it there, but it’s just way too simple and easy. I think when Ramsay mentioned Jon to Sansa. It will serve two purposes. Sansa will try to make it there and Ramsay is going to suspect that Sansa might went there. This could set up them for some juicy rivalry. Some hunters were casted, right? With hunters on their heals, without a horse, might be injured from that fall. What is confusing me is that Sophie shoot scenes in Winterfell scenes. So unless it’s scenes directly after hell fall it’s strange and Aiden was there too.
“There must always be a Stark at Winterfell”. I think she is shooting inside Winterfell scenes.
That’s a pretty big leap. Tyrion would have no idea about the character of the Northern banner houses — he’s never met any of them; and whatever impressions he did have would be irrelevant to the current political situation. And in any event, when and why would Tyrion have explained any of this, which we have no indication of?
Geralt of Rivia,
Hmm, I forgot the bit about Pod and the House sigils. Nice catch, and you may be right.
I really hope she’ll go to Castle Black though. It think you could squeeze the most story out of her going there first.
She hurt her leg jumping into the snow and told Theon to make a run for it. She uses the secret entrance to the WF crypts and hides there; hoping someone saw the bloody candle in the tower.
Alfie was in NI today too, so I imagine she shot something with him for early on in s6.
https://twitter.com/sixlightyears/status/656432446326624256/photo/1
Sansa will be with Bronze Yohn, of course. Out of the way of that snivelling little weasel, Limp-snicker, or whatever his name really is.
Also, the dye will be long gone from her hair. Jon’s likely to have double-take, reminded of…. You know who…. Ygritte Free-Folk. Well! I like Rose Leslie, and would love to see her return….. even in a dream.
Newbietothegame,
Good chuckle. I hope those WF crypts are useful for something in the future.
Greenjones,
In Los siete reinos site said that she’s filming in the woods so maybe it is an scene after the jump and maybe the scene in winterfell with littlefinger is the last scene of the season for Sansa?
Edith,
That was actually just speculation, about filming in the forest. She wasn’t seen or anything like that.
Sean C.,
Not necessarily. I think that littlefinger going to king’s landing is messy but Sansa could easily return to the Vale. I always imagined her book storyline going in the direction of her growing to hate petyr and possibly betraying him. This could be her show version whereby she discovers that he returned to the Vale rather than winterfell after going to KL which sets Sansa off. I don’t know I’m just speculating. Then again I kept defending dorne and sansa last season with theories and both dissapointed me greatly so maybe she just goes to the iron islands and gets raped by balon or marries euron or we find out she’s pregnant from ramsay and we have a controversial abortion scene.. Wouldn’t surprise me at this point
Sue the Fury,
Sue the Fury,
Yeah you are right! I was reading so fast that I skipped the “quizás” part! My mistake…
But I still believe she stays in the north. She knows about Jon
and also knows about bran and rickon.
Sansa knows Ramsay knows she’ll either head for the Wall to Jon or to the Vale to uncle Petyr, so she may take evasive action and head in a different direction. They exited the North Gate. Maybe Theon takes her through the Wolfswood to Deepwood Motte because he thinks his sister holds the castle.
Reckon she’ll be in the Riverlands but not at Rivverrun during the arguments etc
Rygritte,
Why would Sansa ever want to run to the Ironborn (and when Theon last saw Yara she wasn’t at Deepwood anyway)? Nor do I see what the narrative purpose would be. It makes more sense to me that Jon was brought up last season to set up Sansa going there, and Sansa going there is far more connected to the Northern political storyline than wandering off into a completely unrelated sideplot.
The many different S6 Sansa location theories is an interesting thing to me. Personally my money’s on her staying up north, for all the reasons #TeamNorth (what?) have already stated. But I’ve also seen folks calling for her to return to the Vale, to travel to the Riverlands, to head to the Iron Islands… and I’ve even seen at least slightly compelling rationale for each.
Robb Snow,
The Wall seems as the most logical destination, but Last Hearth is more likely so far due to destination, SmallJon Umber being casted. It’s pretty obvious that Theon and Sansa split somewhere along the road and he went home. They would kill Theon right where he stand.
It seems like Sophie will shoot some interior (or mostly) scenes and I don’t remember her being spotted at the same time like Kit and those scenes in Winterfell. With Ben Crompton and some kind of fire was seen in the quarry that stands for Castle Black. It would be very hard for Brinne to go to Castle Black and then to Riverlands in that weather. Sansa without horse, food and might be injured.
Whatever happens we’ll get some kind of a Stark reunion.
Jeff O’Connor,
We can assume that she will stay in the North. Otherwise what would be the point of bringing her to the North, learning about Jon’s position in Night’s Watch and discovering that Bran and Rickon might be alive somewhere. Vale makes very little sense and so does Iron Islands, and from what we learn, that’s not the case.
My guess:
Sansa will end up back in the clutches of Littlefinger. She’ll usurp his power and gain control of the Vale. Sweetrobin already sees her as a replacement for his mother, it shouldn’t be hard for her to wrap him around her little finger. She’ll then bring the Vale to Jon’s side. A newly installed Lord Rickon will bring the North. And, eventually a freed Riverlands will join them as well. Theon/Yara might even manage to take down Euron and bring at least part of the ironborn.
I could see Jon with 3 or 4 kingdoms, plus the Wildlings, at his back when the White Walkers hit hard.
In the meantime, the Lannisters, Tyrells, Martells, and eventually Dany will fight over the south.
Good to know that Sansa may not be going south again. I hope she ends up wherever Rickon is, by whatever means.
ChristineMarie,
By the way who’s the source of this that Kit was spotted in Belfast. If you’d be so kind. Thanks.
Dead snow,
I read right over it! lol
It is very interesting to try and figure out where Sansa will be in season 6.
Sansa might try to reach Castle Black, but that is also properly the first place where Ramsay would look for her. She could go to Last Hearth while on route towards Castle Black, and Jon could also go to Last Hearth after leaving the Wall.
Littlefinger is suppose to go back to Winterfell at some point, Sansa could meet Littlefinger along the way, and they could go back to the Vale.
It would be great to have a Stark reunion with Sansa, Jon and Rickon. It would also be the safest option for Sansa to align herself with Jon.
But I am still not sure about that, I think Sansa might end up in the Vale again. Sansa and Littlefinger could still end up in the Riverlands at the end of the season. They will not go to Riverrun. It would make no sense for Littlefinger to go too Riverrun, he is the Lord of Harrenhal he has his own seat in the Riverlands. He could be setting his sights towards Kings Landing. It makes a lot of sense for Littlefinger to move the army of the Vale into the Riverland.
I do not think that Littlefinger and the army of the Vale will end up in the North. There was no sightings of Vale soldiers during the big battle shoot. Littlefinger was also not present during the big battle shoot, and the actor who plays Yohn Royce said that he will only be filming again in December.
It will be interesting to see where Sansa ends up, at the moment I am leaning towards the Vale and the Riverlands, but it would be great if she stayed in the North.
The hoody look goes back at least to season 3.
probably one of the most realistic character in the show.
No super ninja BS, no super large pet, just wits and luck .
You know like real life.
grailking,
Master of Boobs has a very… peculiar (if consistent) approach to female characters. You can guess what from their nick. Check the past threads for their name if you don’t believe me
So, when you read about Sansa being uptight and boring…. imagine they were quoting Ramsay. That’s the context.
Boudica,
I don’t think Sansa will ever trust Littlefinger and go back with him to the Vale , I think she’ll command Breinna to take her to the Vale and allys herself with Lord Yohn and Robin and take his army to the Twins after hearing about her uncle and the Blackfish , maybe they’ll camp at Harrinhal for a while , and there she’ll meet Petyr, and maybe she’ll kill him just like what she did to the Giant in the Snow Castle ..
And in the same time I don’t think it will happen either ,
I think Sansa ‘in the show and only in the show’ is doomed and thanks for D&D for that
I don’t like any of the possibilities for this plot this season…
a) She’s captured by Ramsay again/she’s pregnant. Ugh, no.
b) She meets Brienne. Thank you for no being there, Brienne the Incompetent.
c) She arrives at the Wall. Jon is dead. More angsty issues in a place of agressive men.
d) She arrives at the Wall. Jon is dead. She’s killed to resurrect Jon. All happened for this?
e) She arrives at the Wall. Jon is alive. He uses her rape as a reason to raise an army and fight the Boltons. She is the damisel in distress doing nothing again.
f) She arrives at whatever. She sends Davos to find Rickon and Bran. She won’t be regent/Queen/Wardeness anymore, lefting room for a child with balls who doesn’t know anything about politics. She’s nothing again.
g) She becomes Lady Stoneheart. No character development or badassery at all.
h) She returns to the Vale, to the canon. Winterhell was rapey filler.
i) She goes with Theon to the Assembly. From Ramsay to Euron, cool.
j) She does nothing. Arya and Jon carry the revenge of the Starks, the first killing Walder Frey at his wedding and the later in the SnowBowl
Ughhhhh.
This is the moment I strongly hopes for the books a warg Sansa flying in Rhaegal and killing all the main characters like Tyrion and Dany.
mau,
THIS, i was truly upset with that news of her won’t filming until december, i feel so much better now.
Jared,
THIS THIS THIS…
Fantastic Jared like always.
Oh My God.
I was lurking on Tumblr and Sansa marrying Walder Frey because we’ll see a Frey wedding next season and he doesn’t have a wife anymore (Cat killed her at the RW) is becoming a trend.
It is impossible, right? Right?? RIGHT???
O/Tish but not sure where to put it and this seemed like the most obvious place. Cut a long story short, got some reliable insider info on the Saintfield filming yesterday. Don’t want to get anyone in trouble so I’m not going to repeat any of it – sorry guys I know that’s really annoying but don’t wanna risk it 🙁 Nothing Earth-shatteringly new or unexpected, mainly confirmation of things we’ve speculated about, but more hints that the whole thing sounds like it’ll be as epic as we’re hoping for. S6 can’t come fast enough! 😀
However, Sue the Fury, there is a specific detail I thought was potentially interesting which I’m pretty sure hasn’t been mentioned in the news we’ve had so far, because it’s the sort of thing that would generate a bit of speculation in the comments and I don’t remember seeing any. It’s probably something you already know all about anyway, but in case it’s not, as you’re obviously someone who can be trusted with the info, would you like me to send it to you? And if so is the “Contact us” button the best way to do it?
This statement defies logic in every way.
By laws of Westeros, Sansa cannot mary another man because her marriage to Ramsay was consumated. So as long as Ramsay is alive, she is his legal wife and the marriage cannot be annuled. Even if Ramsay dies, I doubt Sansa would accept this marriage. Why on earth would she marry a person who destroyed her family? What would be the benefit? Sansa is not stupid. She would not fall for the same trick twice.
Lulus Mum,
You have got me all curious now! I hope if its something really exciting we get to hear of it. I don’t mind the spoilers:).. Just so long as its not another Stark death..:(
SlayerNina,
Bloody hell I hope not! I might have to do my reach into the tv to rescue her plan after all 🙁
ghost of winterfell,
Sorry, I know it’s annoying for people to read but we deal with sensitive stuff occasionally at work and are always told if in doubt don’t say anything at all, not even a hint. I love spoilers and devour them all, but am concerned about getting the original source of the info into trouble so am erring on the side of extreme caution. It’s nothing massive, promise! But still a bit of a thrill to find out something in person rather than read about it, however minor 🙂 I should probably get out more! 😉
The writers can do that. They changed like 7 plots (Sansa’s, LF’s, Theon’s, Jaime’s, Brienne’s, Jon’s and Stannis’) to accomodate the Grey Wedding, so why not? They can go on “Jon kills Ramsay at SnowBowl, Sansa marryFrey and Arya and/or the Hound appears at the wedding to rescue her”. Given the leaks, that’s still possible O.O
SlayerNina,
Well, among other things, she’s already married.
He is only in two episodes, so I’d say it’s rather unlikely we see Last Hearth until very late in the season.
Steven,
I totally agree with you there. Can’t figure out either if she has a lot of screetime, or if the character dies… urrrgh I hope not.
That’s a weak allegation. She was married to Tyrion. She married Ramsay because it was “unconsummated” (LF worried about that) but the Boltons didn’t give a f*ck if she was married or not and nobody was concerned about the fact she could not be virgin or being already pregnant of Tyrion.
Jon can kill Ramsay so she’s widow and remarriable again. Or simply “the Grey wedding was invalid because she was already married/she was kidnapped” and go on.
Maggie,
nope there can still be two units with multiple story threads.
One unit on the RiverRun set, one unit in the studio that divides its time between different sets.
If they’re gonna make her again the passive helpless victim crying on a corner, the side character of a male character (probably Jon this time) or making her the “strong woman” using her new vagina skills, I prefer death.
Dunno, I mean, she has to marry someone even more abusive this season. She was engaged to Joffrey, married the Imp, and then Ramsay. I’d say this season its either Walder Frey or the Night’s King
You mean like Ramsay??
Greenjones,
Thank you, I was wondering what happened to poor theon
Sansa is going to meet Rickon, come on! She’s heading to the Umbers!
OR, after Ramsay told her about Jon, she could be going to Castle Black… Either way, there will be a Stark reunion.
THE WOLVES WILL COME AGAIN.
How? Noone knows on the show where Bran and Rickon are… Unless is another of those encounters (like Brienne with everybody), in which Sansa goes with the Umbers because they were Stark friends and oooopss! Is that Rickon on the yard?
Yes perhaps going to the Vale does not have to involve her meeting up with Litlefinger. But just because she goes with Littlefinger does not mean that she has to trust him.
Why would you think Sansa is doomed, and why would it have anything to do with Dan & Dave? Sansa has a lot of different directions that she can go in the show.
Sansa is an important character they not just going to kill her for no reason. If she does die at some point the same thing will happen in the books as well. In GRRM’s original outline Sansa wasn’t one of the characters who were suppose to survive until the end. That could still be the case, but Sansa does seem important is some way.
Sansa either gets her throat slit by Allister Thorne at The Wall or by someone else on the road to somewhere else. She either gets ressurected by Melissandre or Thoros, maybe even Beric. Sansa Stoneheart is born/created. Henceforth to carry out that storyline. She is beautiful, weak, and stupid, she never had a chance to survive this. I’m serious, there is no possible way that Sansa makes it to the end of this story. She is not the song of ice or fire.
“If you think this story has a happy ending then you haven’t been paying attention!!”, it’s right there in your face. Unexpected, shocking, D&D parlor trick plot twist, slapping you right in your face through your television set! Whackem!
I hope they kill her off this season, she’s weak and boring and has one of the weakest storylines. Good riddance already.
I think she will be caught by Boltons and raped repeatedly each series for the season. Weekly Sansa rape. Show runners need to drive him the point.
come april we will know
So, because she made a mistake in the past, she will make the same mistake again? She wasn’t forced into marriage. It was her decision (with some LF manipulation) According to the producers, Sansa is one of the characters they care most about and pay a lot of attention to her. She did not lose her internal strength in season 5 and her storyline is mostly about empowerment. She married Ramsay, because her storyline continues in the North. Why out of all people would she have learned that Bran and Rickon are alive? Because she is probably destined to find them (at least Rickon) or maybe to start the real Northern Uprising.
If they kill her off, that would be REALLY bad writing. She hasn’t even reached her full potential. Why would GRRM even include her as one of the main POV if her destiny is just to be killed without achieving anything? And you call inner empowerment a weak storyline?
Because the books contain absolutely no rape? What happened to Jeyne in the books, was much worse than Sansa’s wedding night (which technically wasn’t rape by medieval standards). What happened to Theon was absolutely horrific. And the producers are not that stupid
Seriously, why are you plaguing this thread with your pointless rant? There are several sites that are more appropriate for that.
Boudica,
She’s not guaranteed to die either, like most characters her life is up in the air.
The main outline changed too much for it to be followed to the letter in my opinion.
Actually, she has one of the most intriguing arc and story line in the series ( book and show) the girl who fell for dreams, leaving family and home second, gets caught up in political turmoil, murders, pageantry, war and abuse realizes home is where she wants to be and family is everything.
Along the way she is in the story lines of just about every major house of westeros is speaking with or has visual observations on the majority of main characters in the book or show, she is privy to how some people act,lie and cheat and in the back of her mind has evidence of just how this war was hatched.
Her whole story is finding herself, family and returning her family and house where it belongs along with Arya.
Jon and Bran have to help Westeros to fight for life, and they will need Sansa and Arya to forge alliances and remove enemies to achieve that goal.
On her way back to the Eyrie of course, she needs
I do not think you have understood the point.
No.
BaelorBalerionBaelish,
Except Sansa now knows that Bran and Rickon are alive, or at least knows that Theon did not, in fact kill them. We saw the fleeting look of hope cross her face in the episode when she finds out. I think that moment was telling and indicative of her staying in the North to try and find them.
Plus, Winterfell is no longer in ruins. The Boltons have been rebuilding it and we’ve seen it’s habitable because they all have been living there.
grailking,
Um, you are wrong. Sansa is a stupid girl. She even says, “I’m stupid, I’m just a stupid girl!”. You can’t argue this point because she says it. She is so irritating it is maddening! What sense did it make for her to marry Ramsay? Seriously, what sense did that make? She was just gonna spread her legs, kill Roose, kill Ramsay, kill all of their men (and the show gave them a lot more men than in the book), kill everyone, and just move all her buddies into the Fell when they are all gone?? She would have a Bolton son and let him reign? What possible sense did it make for her to do that!!??? She is an idiot. An expendable plot device for all of the other characters to flip and flop whenever they need her. Sansa Ex Machina
North. She’s there for the duration…
I’ll argue the point.
She said that when Aunt Lysa was dangling her on the edge of the Moon Door. She had to say something to get that crazy woman to not see her as a threat or competition for Petyr’s affections. She bought herself enough time to get free of Lysa’s grasp. Shortly thereafter, she showed that she did NOT think of herself as stupid when she convinced the Vale inquirers that Lysa jumped.
Grailking brought up a very good point: In one way or another, she has become known to all the major houses in all the major areas of Westeros, Everyone who knows her thinks well of her. The Tyrells know her and like her; the Vale lords respect and believe her; the Northern houses know of her as Lady Stark, and she is the sister of Jon Snow Stark; King Crow. Plus Bran is about to become the Weirnet King. This will mean something.
Tyrion once said of her: “Lady Sansa, I do believe you’ll outlive us all.” This was when she showed she was becoming adept at spouting the party line when and where it was needed to survive. Sansa is learning. She’s not a graduate student yet, neither has she flunked out. She’s currently in a mess, again, but so is every other Stark. She has a strong spirit; the strong will is in development. She has survived. I agree with Tyrion.
Well, I assumed that after Joffrey she would have learned that the people that kill your family are not very nice (in case she didn’t know that by common sense). So after Ramsay it totally makes sense she would marry Walder Frey, there are not that many suitors that have killed Starks for her to choose.
O_o,
Lol….do continue! I’m on the edge of my seat!
Um, yeah, people who kill your family … the proposition to marry Ramsay was revealed to her on an open road in the middle of nowhere by the shit nugget who had just killed her aunt. Granted, she voluntarily threw her lot in with Littlefinger, but that was based on the thread of trust she still had in him, based on his “love” for her and her mother. She hadn’t realized yet that she and her aunt were just merchandise in transactions to further his ambitions.
I was appalled when she agreed, but what were her options? Test his resolve? Get left on her own on the road? Take a chance at Winterfell? Not great options, were they?
As far as her marrying Walder Frey? I hope you are joking. No, no and no. Besides, it’s been two years almost. That horny old fuck wouldn’t have waited that long.
If she’s still blamed for love Joffrey (not really love, just “whoah, I’m gonna marry a nice prince, not some who can be my grandfather!”), I think we can blame Ned for starting the war (the real one), Bran for being a voyeur, Robb for kill her mother and lost the North and Arya for Mycah and Lady’s death.
About her brains… She thinks herself as stupid because all the people around is calling her stupid. That’s why LF is the only one who’s calling her smart. To me, is more about not confidence on herself than being really stupid. If she were, she would have been killed, and that was not the case. I mean, she was remembered as the “religious lady” when she was going to the Godswood to meet Dontos. Being courteous allowed her to lurking around the castle without any supervision. She. Just. Fool. Everybody. Even Tyrion and Vary’s littlebirds. Boss!
Weak… How? Is the only character is not depressed, angry at others or nearly suicidal after all the shit she has gone through. Bran is a tree, Rickon has disturbing behaviour, Cat is a zombi, Jon is the emo kid of the Wall, Ned had haunting “promise me” dreams, Arya has a death list, Tyrion spend one book whining about being rejected, Cersei wants revenge at all costs, Theon is crazy, Jaime didn’t overcome his hand, Brienne has selfsteem issues…
Those rants about “useless pretty bitch” sounds to me like a bunch of loosers remembering the main chearleader of highschool LOL
I don’t think there is any other character bar maybe Dany, that elicits the same vociferous debate about his/her usefulness in the story. I’ve seen the reference to George’s original draft again and again, I pray he changes it up, in fact I’m sure he will. It surprises me that people see it as sacred. I second the commenters that believe Sansa hasn’t fulfilled her potential, it seems wildly premature to kill her off this season. All remaining Starks will play a pivotal role in the end game, there may be Stark deaths in the finale, but not before then.
She is not a plot device. She’s the readers on Westeros.
But the show has turned her into a plot device to develop Tyrion the quite Nice Guy, Shae Mamabear, Margaery the Bi-cunning bitch, Sandor the Puppy, Brienne the broken GPS, Ramsay the Psycho, Myranda Quinn and Theon the knight in jerkass armor. All at her expenses of agency, character development or intelligence
Everytime I think about the draft, I’m more convinced that the love triangle between Jon-Arya-Tyrion was set up just to have shippers fans of “Jon the default fantasy hero” and having the Pet Creator’s (Tyrion) having sex and a reward worthy of him with Martin’s wife’s Mary Sue (Arya). Ughhhhh.
I like Sansa. I’m not thrilled with her Season 5 arc, but I thought it had its moments. It was a step back, but it was still nice to see her help Theon find himself (and kill Myranda). Whether or not she kicks it in Season 6, I’d just like to see a “hell of an arc”, as Liam Cunningham says.
Sansa will be the one who finally puts an end to
once and for all, as foretold by the Ghost of High Heart. I don’t expect it until Season 7 or possibly even 8, but it will surely happen.
I want Petyr’s exit to be some bizarre inadvertent alliance of treachery between Sansa and Daenerys. A very particular request, I know, and don’t get me wrong, I want Sansa to be the one with the greater agency here.
I’ve just had this strange yearning to see Littlefinger taken down by dragonflame for as long as I can remember. He can climb any ladder and climb it well, aye, but there’s no ladder that escapes you of dragons. The master manipulator doesn’t stand a chance. It feels right somehow to see him in a corner, meekly.
Everybody seems to want/need it to be Sansa who takes down Littlefinger. But she is still not politically astute enough or world-wise enough to realize what he’s been doing and why, or how bitterly he has betrayed her entire family. She needs a significant emotional event to bring his nefariousness to her consciousness, something to make all those puzzle pieces form the picture.
I thought of the only way I could possibly stomach her remaining at Winterfell with
Ramsay, if she is caught: (OH Crap, I tried to do spoilers but did it wrong, sorry sorry
SPOILERS SPECULATION
{spoiler}
Ramsay is furious and brutal with her, ranting on about how stupid she is, how he should kill her. But this time Sansa doesn’t meekly take it, she talks back. Why not? She has faced death trying to escape this devil, what’s the difference now? She says he can’t get away with killing her, the North remembers, someone will make him pay. Who? he counters, as much to get information as to taunt her. Who cares about you? She screams: Petyr Baelish, he loves me, he will kill you for this.
That’s when the picture starts to take shape:
“Petyr Baelish?” Ramsay laughs. “Petyr Baelish? You are nothing to him. He thinks he’s
going to be Lord of the World. You are only a pawn, you and your whole fookin’ family have only ever been means for him to take the kingdom. My father made a deal with him for you! You are to be my brood mare.”
He struts around, flicking his fingers in her face.
“You don’t believe me? Where’s your loving Littlefinger now, then? I’ll tell you where he is, he is gathering the army of the Vale, what should have been YOUR army. He took it from you and he’s bringing it here. He’s going to help Boltons kill all the rest of you fookin’ Starks and any other Northerners who stand in our way…”
And Sansa finally sees the Game of Thrones. She vows to herself to stay alive, if only to kill Petyr Baelish. {/spoiler}
Or some such thing. I hope.
Thronetender,
I love your point of view on Sansa. I think she’s one of the most interesting characters in Asoiaf. She is the embodiment of the common woman – of all Women. She truly is. Look at the world today. At women’s condition. The world of game of thrones is of the Middle Ages, our occidental world several centuries ago, although women’s rights have only begun to improve since 1968… Ahem… Well… but today there are still soooooo many women that are still at the mercy of men or their families. That are pawns and used and married young to men they don’t choose or are banished because of their choices or rejected because “they brought shame” on their family after a rape or because they had sex or a child without being married, not even mentioning women who are beaten by their companion or husband etc etc etc… Sansa’s storyline is that of all the girls/women if this world who are spoonfed with fairytales and Prince Charming stories. It is so common. And it’s not changing that much. Look around you. The media and brands still play with these codes/patterns.
Anyways… There is a nice parallel there between Cersei and Sansa (even in their first names sounds). Cersei also believed in Prince Charming, was also married to a man she didn’t expect, had to live a life arranged by the men of her family and do as she was told and is still reminded to this day that she is not in control of her destiny because she is a woman. She became a bitter and angry woman, let’s hope that Sansa will retain her empathy and humanity.
SlayerNina,
g) She becomes Lady Stoneheart. No character development or badassery at all.
Ummm what? Her becoming a vengeful murdered is pretty much the definition of bad-assery and character development.
Master of Boobs,
Yes!
Sansa is going to have more house names that she can add to hers than Selma Bouvier!
I will let GRRM himself have the last words.
Up to now, Sansa has been a piece that other people have moved about the board to achieve their own goals, using her, discarding her, using her for a different purpose, you know, ‘You’re gonna marry Joffrey.’ ‘No, you’re gonna marry Loras.’ ‘You’re gonna marry Tyrion.’ She is beginning to at least try to understand how she can play the game of thrones and be, not a piece, but a player with her own goals and moving other pieces around. And she’s not a warrior like Robb, Jon Snow. She’s not even a wild child like Arya. She can’t fight with swords, axes. She can’t raise armies. But she has her wits, the same as Littlefinger has.
George R. R. Martin on Sansa in Episode 8 “The Mountain and the Viper”
On one hand I want her to kill him, but for at least 2 years now I would really like her to find the money he’s stoled and
ruin him financially and letting everyone know he was behind the deaths of so many people.
Thronetender,
don’t use {} use[ ] and no spaces inside the brackets.
A fan also commented on Alfie’s Instagram today about meeting him, Sophie, and Liam (Cunningham). That doesn’t necessarily mean they were all filming together, but still. Theon, Sansa, and Davos scenes?
ladysansa,
Carice is there too and someone said there that Kit was at airport arriving as well, but it’s not confirmed. Interesting. I just now can’t imagine Theon and Sansa making it there to the Wall and Davos not staying there.
You know, there’s some other ways to be badass than killing people. Or they should. The only badassery path on the show for men is killing people and be agressive and for women killing people like a man and using the sex as a tool
SlayerNina,
Changed your mind on watching S6, Nina? Just curious.
Thank you – your words give definition and hope to women as well. Nice to know that you are here.
OK thanks; let’s see if I can do it:
Had no idea who that was, had to look it up. Thought it was going to be some Medieval Princess Warrior. Well kinda’. LOL you are a person of varied tastes, Wimsey.
Thronetender,
yes it did. : )
I really dig all these great Sansa ideas I woke up to this morning. Thanks for the responses, those of you who bounced ’em off of my post! I’d be cool with any of the things y’all mentioned.
Well, liking the Simpsons (especially 20th Century!) hardly is unusual!
I would disagree strongly with that. Sansa does not embody women of ambition or women who think that they should be able to cut their own way through the world without relying on a man. Sansa does not embody women driven by curiosity who need to unravel what is behind the closed doors of ignorance and superstition.
Indeed, Arya is much more the embodiment of those sorts of women. In my world, the women were Arya’s in their youth, and one of their biggest fears is to have a Sansa for a daughter.
Wimsey,
Very well put – my feelings put into words.
I agree. I don’t need her to be Darth Sansa or suddenly a brilliant player of the Game; I just need her to stop being a victim over and over and over again.
I always figured that kids who grew up in the North made a game of jumping off the walls into big snowpiles the same way that kids rake up leafpiles to jump into in the real world.
Isabela,
I would love for her to meet up with the Blackfish! Total badassery would happen!
That’s exactly what I felt when I saw them.
If they can pull it off, it would be great, and would certainly interest me more than a zombie on the loose….
Wimsey,
I think we are both right. The rest of my post explains it a bit more though. The first sentences should have said : a lot of women in this world, not all women. You cannot possibly reject my whole post on this issue.
Then there is context, to a fiction world set in a Middle Ages era where Sansa and Arya live. Sansa’s arc and story is more believable and common applied to modern times than Arya’s.
Plus, in order to have
you need to let them know that they can actually do it, that they are entitled to it as much as men : you need to have decades, centuries even, of women being pioneers and fighting for their rights, etc in order to change mentalities and societies. Which is what my first post was about. Arya is not driven by curiosity or the need to unravel what is behind closed doors, she’s a survivalist and a deeply wounded child. She is not in a better position than her sister Sansa in terms of women’s rights and conditions.
What world do you live in, I wonder ? Sansa’s path as well as Arya or anyone in (good) fiction and real life is paved with mistakes, trials and errors. Filled with teachings and influences from family, from mentors, friends and the society/era they live in. The difference you point out between Arya and Sansa is I think a difference in character (temperament).