Liam Cunningham shares his thoughts on Shireen’s death and Game of Thrones fan theories

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Liam Cunningham chats about Davos’ role in Game of Thrones season 6 and the social relevance of Shireen’s sacrifice, and shares his thoughts on some ridiculous-maybe-not-so-ridiculous fan theories.

Cunningham spoke with IGN about season 6, particularly Davos’ “mic drop” line from the trailer, “I’ve never been much of a fighter. Apologies for what you’re about to see.” He hinted at its context.

“[Davos is] gonna be in the thick of it. You have to remember the enemies of Jon Snow did this, and he is there. Davos has nowhere else to go. Dragonstone is dead, Stannis is dead. Shireen’s gone. Jon Snow is gone. But he is where he is purely by matter of location … You have to place that particular moment in terms of timeframe when you last saw the end of Season 5.”

In an interview with Vulture, Cunningham discussed Melisandre’s character, denied any knowledge of Jon Snow’s future and shared his thoughts on Shireen’s sacrifice.

But it was really necessary for the story. Dan said it’s about religious fundamentalism, extremism, and what it can drive a human being to do. In this case, it was an intelligent man, Stannis, agreeing to do that to his own daughter, and finding an excuse to do it. And you saw his reasons for doing it, which is what makes it very, very dangerous. It has a resonance in a way, in the real world, when you look at ISIS, you know? It’s always wrong. The justification of it. The repercussions of doing something like that are never going to be good.

On a lighter note, Rolling Stone had Cunningham react to some fan theories ranging from “Jon Snow is Azor Ahai” to “Dragonglass is dragon feces.” He added his own personal theory that the final shot of Game of Thrones will be of the Night King chillin’ on the Iron Throne smoking a Cohiba. Make it so, David & Dan.

131 Comments

  1. Liam Cunningham is such a sly charmer. Smart and knowledgeable about real-world politics, too. Would love to sit next to him at a dinner party!

  2. Some of those theories are crazy.

    My favorite ridiculous theory is the one about Varys being a mermaid lol.

  3. “Dragonstone is dead, Stannis is dead. Shireen’s gone. Jon Snow is gone.”

    So he’s not saying Shireen is dead then? Just ‘gone’ like what Jon Snow is 😉

  4. Has there been a theory yet that all the characters are one and the same insane person hallucinating during his death throes in a hospital bed? The White Walkers must be a metaphor for the slow advancement of necrosis, or bedsores.

  5. Firannion:
    Liam Cunningham is such a sly charmer.Smart and knowledgeable about real-world politics, too.Would love to sit next to him at a dinner party!

    Agree. He is one of the guests at my dream dinner party. (John Bradley, too.)

  6. Melissandre’s journey???

    I am suddenly getting a baaad vibe about the big twist in Season 6, episode 1. Are they going to use an odd story element from the novels? Will “glamoring” be involved in any way? Mel in the show saying that she would meet Arya again would make sense in a way. I wish the season premiere comes soon, so we know what’s going on!

  7. Kay:
    Melissandre’s journey???

    I am suddenly getting a baaad vibe about the big twist in Season 6, episode 1. Are they going to use an odd story element from the novels? Will “glamoring” be involved in any way? Mel in the show saying that she would meet Arya again would make sense in a way. I wish the season premiere comes soon, so we know what’s going on!

    Come on. Are you seriously suggesting Melisandre will disguise herself as Jon and take his role?

  8. So I’m guessing Myrcella is def dead? Are we going to see Dorne at all this season?

    Looking forward to seeing more of the Greyjoys….wonder if the season will show Euron sailing to Daenarys…

  9. Chuck:
    So I’m guessing Myrcella is def dead? Are we going to see Dorne at all this season?

    Looking forward to seeing more of the Greyjoys….wonder if the season will show Euron sailing to Daenarys…

    Trystane has to be on the boat with Jaime, Bronn, and Myrcella. Sebastian confirmed in an interview around the time of the Emmy’s that he was returning. They also released a HoF poster for Nymeria Sand.

  10. Liam troll,

    Some people don’t like using the same words over and over.

    Jack Bauer 24: Trystane has to be on the boat with Jaime, Bronn, and Myrcella.

    Just because Trystane is going to be returning this season, it does not follow that he will be on the boat: not unless we assume that every character that will appear on the show will be on that boat!

  11. Wimsey:
    Liam troll,

    Some people don’t like using the same words over and over.

    Just because Trystane is going to be returning this season, it does not follow that he will be on the boat: not unless we assume that every character that will appear on the show will be on that boat!

    He was on the boat while they were sailing back to KL. I doubt they are going to turn back around so they can drop him back off at Dorne.

  12. Morgoth: Come on. Are you seriously suggesting Melisandre will disguise herself as Jon and take his role?

    Not very seriously, no. But since the past few days, this idea won’t leave me alone. 😀 It would be horrendously cheesy and terribly terrible if it happened! It would be on par with Shadow Baby, to be honest!

  13. Pigeon:
    I actually laughed out loud at Jaqen and the newspaper.

    I think he’s confusing shows. That ending was from Ron Moore’s BSG, so I’m guessing that Outlander ends that way too 🙂

  14. He seems pretty dismissive of the Jon = AA theory. Maybe they don’t delve into that this season.

  15. I love Liam Cunningham. Hope he never shuts up. He seems like such a chill and awesome dude. Davos is one of my favorites from the book and the show so I hope there are better times ahead for the character.

  16. El-Bobbie,

    Or maybe they dvelve into that but with another character you know..

    But it doesn’t matter right …at this moment say edd is smoking a pot and Davos taking a pee and Mel having periods ….it will make Jon as AAR bcoz all they need is there smoke salt and star bleeding

  17. Anyone see the WOTW retweet from @ManuclearBomb?? He saw a new promo with lots of new footage. He’s posting stills on his twitter. My favorite is

    Wun Wun busting in through the Castle Black gate! Oh, and holy crap, the Night’s King actually grabs Bran’s arm!

    OMG, I can not wait any longer. Heee!

  18. El-Bobbie,

    Which should mean he is not AAr right …
    But my point is it does not matter what the show does or book does …people decides what the answer that it is jon and they will try to fit into that answer watever happens in the show or books..
    Anything remotely close to salt and smoke and bleeding and baring a chest ..people will start shouting AAR.
    Anyways I just want to wait till this first couple of episode to over and his resurrection done with

  19. El-Bobbie:
    BunBunStark,

    Just saw his tweets! Hopefully HBO posts it soon!

    I hope so. In the meantime, I’ll be watching TBS in hopes of catching the promo myself. “The things I do for love.”

  20. BunBunStark,

    Is it a promo or a full fledged trailer? Again, more emphasis on the hall of faces. Considering all the attention given to the HoF this season, I wonder if there is some twist to this story

  21. Cosine:
    Has there been a theory yet that all the characters are one and the same insane person hallucinating during his death throes in a hospital bed? The White Walkers must be a metaphor for the slow advancement of necrosis, or bedsores.

    Nice Walking Dead burn there. The way the writing on that show is going this season I wouldn’t be surprised to see that as its series finale. But I digress…

    My big question mark for ole Davos this season is what he does after he finds out what happened with Shireen. There’s that shot towards the beginning of the trailer that sure appears to be him standing over what looks to be her burn site, so I feel pretty confident he’ll find out. I guess what he does after that depends on how invested he and Melisandre are in Team Jon by that point…He’s attempted to kill her before with uh, unimpressive results.

    And why are people hating on Liam’s interviews? The guy is great!

  22. ghost of winterfell:
    BunBunStark,

    Is it a promo or a full fledged trailer? Again, more emphasis on the hall of faces. Considering all the attention given to the HoF this season, I wonder if there is some twist to this story

    Well, the guy saw it on TBS, so I assume it was a 30 second promo since they never air full fledged trailers on basic cable. And judging by the stills he posted, it was not like the HOF teaser. This was chock-full of new footage from season 6. I hope GoT’s Youtube channel posts it soon – I don’t want to continue watching TBS programming.

  23. BunBunStark,

    Okay, thanks.
    Regarding the HoF, according to the tweet, near to the last part of the promo, there is a narration by Jaqen about the HOF. That’s why I said more emphasis on that topic.

  24. El-Bobbie,

    Even if they were going to delve into the Jon as a possible AA part this season, do you really think Cunningham would give any hint in an interview? I dont think this interview can be taken as a hint one way or another. Especially given that he is trying to pretend that Jon is dead and gone from the show, of course he would be dismissive about any such theory.

  25. We will probably get the second trailer or promo tomorrow, right? I doubt HBO wants crappy screenshots floating around.

  26. ghost of winterfell,

    You gotta give it him. Probably only one who enjoys these question and gives funny answers and others are just bored by this saga. Such a likeable guy and charming. Tbh have we seen any reason on the show to support Jon as aar/ptwp.

  27. matty,

    Jon and Daenerys brother and sister. There is still such a theory? They were born 8-9 months apart and Daeny’s parentage is crystal clear.

  28. Jack Bauer 24,

    If Jon is not Azor Ahai then I don’t see how they can justify a resurrection. SO far only the LoL can do this and so will he bring back Jon just because, like Beric? Doesn’t make sense when there is prophecy involved and many signs point to him fulfilling one. Unless it’s just semantics and is instead the “last hero” or “Ptwp.” Or maybe the prophecies are bunk, but if so just how many red herrings will there be? Ugh.

  29. El-Bobbie,

    Well if that ends up being the case phooey on it. If that’s the deal, the supernatural part of this fantasy story means next to nothing then.

  30. New pictures form a new trailer are up on twitter i tried to link it here but my comment is awaiting moderation …

    add the dot behind com …

    twitter com/ManuclearBomb/status/713210605000396800/photo/1

  31. WOW The Night’s King grabbing Bran’s arm, Wun Wun bursting through a gate, the shot of Drogon, Jaime, motherf* TOJ, Ramsay with an army. Shieet, is it April yet?
  32. Well this is why Stannis fans were really angry by this event, because they made Stannis into a religious nut when in the books he’s the complete opposite. He’s an atheist :)) Anyway…. with Stannis dead, why would Davos stay there? and not go home to protect his wife (and other children?).

  33. BunBunStark:
    Anyone see the WOTW retweet from @ManuclearBomb?? He saw a new promo with lots of new footage. He’s posting stills on his twitter. My favorite is

    OMG, I can not wait any longer. Heee!

    Those are my favorites as well.

  34. Vlad,

    His wife is never mentioned in the show and he has no other children. In the show he had only 1 son, the one who died at the blackwater.

    Disagree completely that Stannis is a religious fanatic in the show. Just like I disagree he is a atheist in the books. But I’m not opening this pandoras box.

  35. Mihnea:
    Vlad,

    His wife is never mentioned in the show and he has no other children. In the show he had only 1 son, the one who died at the blackwater.

    Disagree completely that Stannis is a religious fanatic in the show. Just like I disagree he is a atheist in the books. But I’m not opening this pandoras box.

    Oh I agree, he didn’t come out necessarily as a religious nut in the show, but honestly, look what Cunnington said about how D&D wanted to portray him. And it’s not like it’s the first time we’ve heard this. As for the books, you’re right this is not the place to discuss them.

  36. El-Bobbie:
    dragonbringer,

    Yeah, I didn’t mean that the show won’t delve into AA at all, just that they might not delve into Jon being AA specifically.

    I think it has more to do with Liam not knowing what AA is. They didnt delve into that stuff that much on the show and they wont use that frame probably in the future.

  37. If you look at IMDB, you will see hopw many episodes Jon Snow is in. I will not spoil. Might surprise some

  38. HousePotterz: And why are people hating on Liam’s interviews? The guy is great!

    I wonder if they just like being contrary because they know a lot of folk like his interviews and are trying to get a reaction. I personally have no problem with Liam’s interviews.

  39. I would love for the show to do away with as much of the prophecy stuff as possible.

  40. Jack Bauer 24,

    That would not be the only way for Trystane to leave the ship. Moreover, as he would be the one telling the captsin what to do, if he wants off at an intermediate port, then off he gets.

  41. Ygritte,

    Jon being AA will not explain Melisandre invoking R’hllor to revive Jon to the audience because that possibility has not been introduced already.

    What will work is if Melisandre is shown to reach that on her own for any number of readon in Episode 1. The show works much better when it uses human rather than fantasy elements,

  42. King in the North Carolina,

    Prophecies never work great in TV. Same for visions. In books it’s forshadowing but on TV most often it just spoils the story.

    They handed this really well, in my opinion. Cutting the visions in Qarth was a great start and removing the Valanquar was also a good idea. Adding a bit of forshadowing in Jaime and Bronn’s disscussion was better.

  43. Wimsey:
    Ygritte,

    Jon being AA will not explain Melisandre invoking R’hllor to revive Jon to the audience because that possibility has not been introduced already.

    What will work is if Melisandre is shown to reach that on her own for any number of readon in Episode 1.The show works much better when it uses human rather than fantasy elements,

    The show isn’t doing resurrection by humans. It was explained pretty clear when berric was resurrected. Also Berric is the only known man in the history of the planet that was blessed/cursed with this gift. Like the red priest said, they did nothing, they only said the words…. lord of light gave this gift to berric, they cannot do it on other people. So it means that if jon gets resurrected he has to be azor ahai.

    I like so much how D&D changed the magic and fantasy elements form the books. They are more grounded in reality and balanced, more like a myth that we know is true, but still acts very subtle. I mean, like in real life with jesus and christianity… not some straight up fantasy with maigc everywhere. Yes, in the end it’s fantasy, but, unlike the books, they keep it pretty grounded and balanced.

  44. dan hendo,

    then what about Berric if he is the first and only one shouldnt he be Azor ahai ..
    Or LSH

    what about the one who actually caused an event that has increased the fire magic and rhlor’s power like birthing three dragons .

  45. Wimsey:
    Jack Bauer 24,

    That would not be the only way for Trystane to leave the ship.Moreover, as he would be the one telling the captsin what to do, if he wants off at an intermediate port, then off he gets.

    That’s assuming Jaime and Bronn let him…

  46. Brian Cogman saying in one of these pages from EW “There are a lot of thematic and explicit call-backs to the seasons that preceded this one, including season 1, with characters meeting in hopefully very unexpected ways” BENJEN STARK CONFIRMED
    They also confirm that Bran can step into scenes from both past and present, Sansa will reclaim Winterfell and Arya will meet the travelling band of actors. Nothing we didn’t already know, but it’s cool seing it written down.

  47. Geralt of Rivia:
    ghost of winterfell,

    You gotta give it him. Probably only one who enjoys these question and gives funny answers and others are just bored by this saga. Such a likeable guy and charming. Tbh have we seen any reason on the show to support Jon as aar/ptwp.

    No, but that is not surprising since the show has not yet made any mention of the AA prophecy, which they will be doing next season. The only hint is that Mel clearly sees something in Jon, but is unable to figure out what it is.
    It’s similar in the books too, where so far there has been no proof for Jon being AA, but there have been hints. Dany is the more obvious AA so far. Any proofs for Jon, if they are going to happen, will appear in the next season/ book.
    Agree with what you say about Cunningham. His interviews are always fun to watch.

  48. They should have used those Drogon and Tyrion clips in the first trailer. That shot of Drogon in the new trailer is epic and you can tell Tyrion is actually LOOKING directly at V&R. His face is priceless.

    I wonder if they used a different song for this one.

  49. dragonbringer: what about the one who actually caused an event that has increased the fire magic and rhlor’s power like birthing three dragons .

    Ah…the ol’ “which came first…the dragons or the magic?” theory. Did the “birthing of the dragons” unleash the magic laying dormant all these years or did something else enable the hatching of the petrified eggs? Certainly the red comet and WWs appeared before the dragons were born and obsidian candles started glowing. I believe something else is at the root of all the magical resurgence. Did Thoros poke the bear with his repeated abuse of power? (again, a timeline issue) Did Bloodraven and the CotF stir the pot? Is the magic behind the weeping wall wearing down?

    It would be interesting to discover some of the details behind the aggressive WW marches and re-fired magic in the world after thousands of years.

  50. Vlad:
    Well this is why Stannis fans were really angry by this event, because they made Stannis into a religious nut when in the books he’s the complete opposite. He’s an atheist :)) Anyway…. with Stannis dead, why would Davos stay there? and not go home to protect his wife (and other children?).

    I agree. That quote from Liam indicates

    1: He has no idea why Stannis did what he did

    2: Either Dan doesn’t either, or Liam misunderstood what Dan said

    From my perspective, almost all unsullied think Stannis killed Shireen in order to further his chances at gaining the throne. Literally every unsullied I know personally has said this, and I recall the same being said in almost all professional unsullied reviews. This is usually coupled with those people immediately pointing out that this behavior was as nonsensical as it was deplorable, because it left him without an heir. No wonder they all hate him.

    Of course, Book-Stannis is not an incompetent leader, is not a religious nut (in fact, he hasn’t burned any innocent people!), is unlikely to sacrifice Shireen, doesn’t have an easy out (fleeing back to the wall) like he did on TV, and is first and foremost focused on saving the realm from the coming zombie apocalypse, and only then gaining the throne.

    Same “story” my heiney.

  51. Jack Bauer 24:
    They should have used those Drogon and Tyrion clips in the first trailer. That shot of Drogon in the new trailer is epic and you can tell Tyrion is actually LOOKING directly at V&R. His face is priceless.

    I wonder if they used a different song for this one.

    Where did you see this new trailer?!?!

  52. I love how people have changed their opinions so quick!
    They no longer yell:”Stannis won’t burn Shireen!!”
    Now it’s:”It will be better in the books!!”.

    It’s hilarious. Can’t wait for WOW and see the rage that will follow.

  53. El-Bobbie:
    We will probably get the second trailer or promo tomorrow, right? I doubt HBO wants crappy screenshots floating around.

    Crappy? Hells Bells, at least we got them, thanks to @ManuclearBomb. Geez, where’s the gratitude?

  54. taim: I think it has more to do with Liam not knowing what AA is. They didnt delve into that stuff that much on the show and they wont use that frame probably in the future.

    They’ll simply refer to AA as “The Prince that was Promised” or “The one who was promised”. If they mention AA at all, it’ll probably be in season 8, when the whole of Westeros will probably be in the midst of experiencing the Second Long Night…

  55. Dragonmcmx:
    George,

    It’s not officially out yet, it apparently played on TV last night and a fan took photos (beware of minor spoilers): https://twitter.com/ManuclearBomb/status/713215282395877376

    Thanks!

    They are doing a Dragon POV!!! LOL.

    And it seems they are giving that Quentyn scene to Tyrion…although obviously the Dragons aren’t going to kill him, you’d figure Tyrion has plot armor at least until he returns to Westeros…Hmmm. If the Dragons don’t attack him I suppose it’ll give a certain controversial theory about Tyrion a bit of a boost…

  56. George: RIP Brianne?

    I checked it out and Gwendoline has been filming for more than a month already for Top of the Lake. And she filmed some for Star Wars already. No reason to think she won’t be ready for filming Thrones in July and August.

    She could die. They could all die. But I don’t think her shooting schedule is an indication.

    Got my Entertainment Weekly. It’s all brightly colored and incredibly boring. I didn’t read anything there I that I hadn’t seen already.

    D&D share a snarky humor so they come off a bit as dicks in their quotes.

  57. Hodors Bastard: Ah…the ol’ “which came first…the dragons or the magic?” theory. Did the “birthing of the dragons” unleash the magic laying dormant all these years or did something else enable the hatching of the petrified eggs?

    It does not seem to have revived magic to the world so much as reinvigorated magic, or some types of magic. The Warlocks in Quarth note that their powers are stronger. The Red Priests seem to note it as well.

    However, the “magics” of the Walkers and the Old Gods seem unchanged, as do magics such as warging.

    Jack Bauer 24: That’s assuming Jaime and Bronn let him…

    At that point, aren’t Jaime and Bronn pretty much at the mercy of the crew? Trystane is their prince, after all.

    dragonbringer: then what about Berric if he is the first and only one shouldnt he be Azor ahai ..

    Too many of the ideas about why Jon gets revived have to do with him being “special.” However, from what we’ve seen and read, if R’hllor wills someone to come back, then they come back: or at least that can happen now, when it seems that R’hllor’s powers have increased coinciding with dragons returning.

    The issue really should be: what is R’hllor’s agenda? We are as clueless about that as we are about the agendas of the White Walkers and the Old Gods. I think that much of it will hinge on Mel deciding/realizing that Stannis was just a stepping stone to get her to Jon in the end.

  58. HotPinkLipstick: Gwendoline has been filing for more than a month already for Top of the Lake. And she filmed some for Star Wars already. No reason to think she won’t be ready for filming Thrones in July and August.

    She could die. They could all die. But I don’t think her shooting schedule is an indication.

    Agreed (though admittedly it’s partly because I don’t want to lose Gwendoline from the show anytime soon). Brienne doesn’t get a huge amount of screentime, and Gwen probably doesn’t need to spend more than a few weeks on the GoT set each year. In fact, these days she seems to spend more of her time doing fashion spreads!

  59. Wimsey: Jack Bauer 24: That’s assuming Jaime and Bronn let him…

    At that point, aren’t Jaime and Bronn pretty much at the mercy of the crew? Trystane is their prince, after all.

    Presuming that Trystane wasn’t in on the poisoning plot (else why let himself be put in the position of becoming a hated hostage in King’s Landing?), and if he did genuinely love Myrcella, he’s going to be pretty damn enraged at Ellaria. He may want to hightail it back to Dorne for some revenge.

    Why he wouldn’t just order them to turn the boat around is a question in that scenario, though. Maybe he wants to ensure that Myrcella’s body gets home for burial before it rots, as a gesture of respect. Or if he’s truly his father’s son, he may view revenge as a long game – not something to be sought impulsively.

  60. How many crewman do they even have sailing back? Bronn and Jaime took out 4 Dornishmen in an earlier episode, so I’m not even sure the crew pose a threat.

  61. Dragonmcmx: t’s not officially out yet, it apparently played on TV last night and a fan took photos (beware of minor spoilers): https://twitter.com/ManuclearBomb/status/713215282395877376

    Ooooh… awesome! The Night’s King grabbing Bran’s arm? Eeek! Drogon and his shadow above the Dothraki? Be still, my heart! My boy is looking so, so, so awesome! And the CGI in those shots must have been expensive! Poor Missandei – no new clothes yet! 🙁 Tyrion with Rhaegal and Viserion! It appears that one/both of them are looking curiously at him, just like Drogon took a long moment to look at Mommy in Daznak’s Pit before going, “Hey Mom! OK, it’s you!”

  62. It’s really weird that I can’t find that trailer anywhere! If someone finds it can you please post the link! Thanks!

  63. The still from the trailer of

    Tyrion presumably looking up at the dragons gave me a brief, unlikely, unwanted and horrendous thought – what if they ‘Quentyn’ him?

    I’ve always thought of him as safe in that situation, and it wouldn’t be something they’d do. Not at this point. Yes, that’s right.

    Because THAT would be RW level trauma. Jeebus.

  64. Pigeon: Because THAT would be RW level trauma. Jeebus.

    Far worse than Red Wedding-level for me, as I’m much more emotionally invested in this character and this actor than I ever was in the victims of the RW. While I wouldn’t say that I’d stop watching future seasons of GoT without him, such a decision would certainly drain out a lot of my enthusiasm for it. And I’m sure that plenty of other fans would feel the same way.

    Hopefully the showrunners know that they’d be shooting themselves in the foot if they do that. This is not Season 1, where they could afford to kill off the apparent protagonist in order to launch the story – nor the final season, where many characters we love will undoubtedless perish in some epic self-sacrificial way, and it will seem right.

  65. Firannion,

    Agreed, and I would never believe they’d do it – but the random thought made my eye twitch! Much worse than the RW for me as well (although to be honest, I wasn’t nearly as invested in those characters from the get-go).

  66. My theory regarding Tyrion standing in for Quentin plotwise: Tyrion tries to free the dragons. They blast him full in the face with fire… and nothing happens. He’s unhurt. Could explain why they cut that detail from Dany and Drogon in Daznaks pit.

  67. Damphairintheshowplease!:
    My theory regarding Tyrion standing in for Quentin plotwise: Tyrion tries to free the dragons. They blast him full in the face with fire… and nothing happens. He’s unhurt. Could explain why they cut that detail from Dany and Drogon in Daznaks pit.

    I think either the Dragons won’t seem that interested in attacking him OR they will breathe fire but will deliberately miss him (as they did when they were upset with Danny in Season 5) ; raising the question about why would the Dragons do that, exactly…could be an interesting scene…

  68. Pigeon:
    Firannion,

    Agreed, and I would never believe they’d do it – but the random thought made my eye twitch! Much worse than the RW for me as well (although to be honest, I wasn’t nearly as invested in those characters from the get-go).

    Yeah, Tyrion is one of the basic reasons that I fell in love with GoT’s back in season one. The RW was something epic and really did affect me deeply, even though I didn’t have the same level of attachment as I have for Tyrion. Him being Quentin’d just doesn’t compute for me. Maybe the two get let go and he somehow hides behind something fire proof (NO absolutely I do NOT think he is Targ and even if he did have some Targ blood in him, Martin said that the Targ’s are not fire-proof.)

    That said, I have always felt that there is some sort of affinity that Tyrion has with dragons…he talks about them from jump in the first season. And Tyrion IS special, he isn’t just any ol’ imp on the planet. We will see….but I have a feeling that he will somehow ride on a dragon, even if it is only as a passenger/hostage/stowaway ……

    😉 😀

  69. Jerkface,

    He can speak anything he wants. He’s a great actor, he’s a fan of the show, and he has been charged with being one of the show’s RI people this season, since Kit Harington is not doing any GoT press, and Samwell Tarly, who was another voice at the Wall, has travelled South.

    Commentaries like yours, however, are getting tiresome!

  70. JCDavis: Yeah, Tyrion is one of the basic reasons that I fell in love with GoT’s back in season one.The RW was something epic and really did affect me deeply, even though I didn’t have the same level of attachment as I have for Tyrion.Him being Quentin’d just doesn’t compute for me. Maybe the two get let go and he somehow hides behind something fire proof (NO absolutely I do NOT think he is Targ and even if he did have some Targ blood in him, Martin said that the Targ’s are not fire-proof.)

    That said, I have always felt that there is some sort of affinity that Tyrion has with dragons…he talks about them from jump in the first season.And Tyrion IS special, he isn’t just any ol’ imp on the planet. We will see….but I have a feeling that he will somehow ride on a dragon, even if it is only as a passenger/hostage/stowaway ……

    It’s interesting that Peter Dinklage actually talks about Tyrion’s affinity for Dragons and about his Dragon dreams when he was a child at the very end of his commentary track for 5.09 in the Blue Ray, because none of that has so far made it to the show…Maybe some of that will be mentioned this season???

  71. George: RIP Brianne?

    It’s a mini-series of sorts, so not much of a time commitment like Loras with Iron Fist/The Defenders.

  72. George: It’s interesting that Peter Dinklage actually talks about Tyrion’s affinity for Dragons and about his Dragon dreams when he was a child at the very end of his commentary track for 5.09 in the Blue Ray, because none of that has so far made it to the show…Maybe some of that will be mentioned this season???

    Probably the script mentioned it when he sees Drogon in Valyria and/or in Daznak’s Pit.

  73. George: I think either the Dragons won’t seem that interested in attacking him OR they will breathe fire but will deliberately miss him (as they did when they were upset with Danny in Season 5) ; raising the question about why would the Dragons do that, exactly…could be an interesting scene…

    I agree. That has to be the reason Tyrion survives his encounter with 2 huge angry dragons. I don’t think he’s quick enough to hide from them. It’s the why that intrigues me. I hope it’s not glossed over and we do get an answer as to why Rhaegal & Viserion don’t burn Tyrion alive.

  74. ghost of winterfell,

    Didn’t Melissandre say something about it back in season 2, when Stannis supposedly drew Lightbringer from the flames?

    I don’t recall if she mentioned Azor Ahai, but she seemingly alluded to AA in her speech.

  75. I really hope V&R are released this season. We haven’t seen them in action in over 2 years. I wonder how much the budget will be when they have all 3 huge dragons together on screen.

  76. Damphairintheshowplease!,

    cosca,

    George,

    JCDavis,

    Luka Nieto,

    BunBunStark,

    This is an area where I feel that his POV in the books really did a great job of leading up to ‘something’. They have alluded to his

    fascination with dragons in the show, and have gone a bit more in depth in the books (as you can when you can be in a character’s head), particularly with his avid reading. Whether you believe that he’s a Targ or not (I think it’s possible, but I also tend to think it’s unlikely, and either works for me) – Tyrion shows a background knowledge and a respect for dragons. That makes him special amongst most men (and could save his ass). That look of awe and dawning realization that ‘hot damn, they still exist!’ on his face when he saw Drogon in Valyria is one of the best moments of Season 5. 🙂
  77. George: raising the question about why would the Dragons do that, exactly…could be an interesting scene…

    I am a believer in a certain theory till proven otherwise by the show, and I think Rhaegal and Viserion, after curiously staring at him for a bit, will sense the dragon “gene” in him and will nod, “yeah, Uncle!” 😀 So, potentially, this could be a very interesting and revealing scene… especially if Varys is around to mull over the theory.

  78. Damphairintheshowplease!,

    cosca,

    George,

    JCDavis,

    Luka Nieto,

    BunBunStark,

    This is an area where I feel that his POV in the books really did a great job of leading up to ‘something’. They have alluded to his

    fascination with dragons in the show, and have gone a bit more in depth in the books (as you can when you can be in a character’s head), particularly with his avid reading. Whether you believe that he’s a Targ or not (I think it’s possible, but I also tend to think it’s unlikely, and either works for me) – Tyrion shows a background knowledge and a respect for dragons. That makes him special amongst most men (and could save his ass). That look of awe and dawning realization that ‘hot damn, they still exist!’ on his face when he saw Drogon in Valyria is one of the best moments of Season 5. 🙂

  79. Kay,

    Yeah, Rhaegal and Viserion would be more loving nephews for Tyrion than Joffrey ever was!

    Pigeon, Firannion, JCDavies,

    I don’t even let the concept of Tyrion dying cross my mind. Now I’m dreaming cuddly sweet dragons playing with our beloved Imp like huge dogs.

  80. To everyone who has responded to the Tyrion conversation started here….(too many to list all the names, but I am looking at YOU) 🙂

    If I recall and I could be smoking my tennis shoes again, but in first season interviews, Peter D was on a small show and somehow said that he was told he would be in for the whole thing. As I also recall he was tight lipped after that, rarely even gave an interview that had to do with GoT’s. Of course he could have been told that by the show runners and then they change their minds! But I have felt good about Tyrion’s prospects from that point, I do think he is going to make it at least to the last season, then “all bets are off” for all of them.

  81. JCDavis: But I have felt good about Tyrion’s prospects from that point,

    GRRM’s original plan was to make Tyrion one of the central protagonists of the over-arching tale. At this point, it’s basically too late to go back on that: Tyrion is more of the story than anyone other than Jon and Daenrys, and there simply is no way to replace all of the character development and evolution that GRRM (and B&W) have provided Tyrion.

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